| schestowitz | And cheap journalism takes over | Feb 12 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | No investigation | Feb 12 00:00 |
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| twitter | ? | Feb 12 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Many publication hire cheap labour to edit and republish press releases. | Feb 12 00:00 |
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| twitter | You are getting all sorts of page views by doing good investigation. That should translate into ad money. | Feb 12 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Well, that's conventional. What's the question mark referring to? | Feb 12 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Reporters themselves say this. They don't get rewarded for good pieces | Feb 12 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | No ad money | Feb 12 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Shane puts the ads which pay like $50/month. Hosting is cheaper | Feb 12 00:01 |
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| twitter | I know someone setting up a rack. He thinks you can get plenty of ad money from the kind of traffic you see. Millions of page views should translate into thousands of dollars. | Feb 12 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | Tories admit to Wiki-alteration < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politic... > | Feb 12 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | this is not about money though | Feb 12 00:02 |
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| twitter | 1E6 views at 0.01per view is $10,000. | Feb 12 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | People who are BN audience don't click ads | Feb 12 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Most don't even see them | Feb 12 00:04 |
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| twitter | I don't know how it works. I just know that people I've talk to think there's more money in it than you are seeing. | Feb 12 00:05 |
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| twitter | You might not be doing this for money but there would be nothing wrong with you getting paid for your work. | Feb 12 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Shane has already put ads in there. Few people see them, fewer click them and I never saw any of the money (I don't care either) | Feb 12 00:07 |
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| twitter | Whatever. You have server problems, someone I'm talking to thinks he's got a better server and money. Sounds like a win win to me, especially when Shane took his name off the page. | Feb 12 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Promises are cheap | Feb 12 00:11 |
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| twitter | true. | Feb 12 00:12 |
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| twitter | I'm not in a position to verify but I do trust the person I've been talking to. | Feb 12 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | They can say this to entice clients | Feb 12 00:15 |
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| twitter | I wrote him to see what he has to say. I talked to him about this before you had server trouble. I'll see what he has to say now and get you two together if he thinks he can do it. You two can work out the details. | Feb 12 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft does this too.. search bribery, AdCenter or whatever they called it.. they promise something in exchange for lockin | Feb 12 00:16 |
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| twitter | This guy is local and a free software advocate rising though small business of his own. | Feb 12 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | Miguel is fighting us in the comments here *sigh* http://ostatic.com/blog/novell-delivers-moonli... | Feb 12 00:19 |
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| twitter | *looking | Feb 12 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | They can't let people link to us without throwing some slime or arm-twisting editors | Feb 12 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | I needed to comment to counter Miguel... | Feb 12 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | Linux spreads, but will Google go properly Free software? Android moving on to mobile Internet tablets, media players < http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/20... > | Feb 12 00:26 |
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| twitter | Are you sure it's Miguel? There are a lot of fake Miguels out there. | Feb 12 00:27 |
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| twitter | wmv and wma are not benefits of moonlight - these are already done well by free software. | Feb 12 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, it's him | Feb 12 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | Based on what he says | Feb 12 00:29 |
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| twitter | strangely, I've had a lot of problems with codecs using totem lately. It has it's own goofy codec download. | Feb 12 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | I use Kaffeine | Feb 12 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | It comes with loads of codecs when I fetch it here. | Feb 12 00:30 |
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| twitter | I'm still reading. Will run into Miguel stuff soon but insults don't seem like him. | Feb 12 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | So while Totem won't do mp3, for example, on this box, amarok and kaffeine handle it all nicely | Feb 12 00:30 |
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| twitter | VLC and KDE players are working much better than gnome stuff. | Feb 12 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | mplayer is another such monster | Feb 12 00:30 |
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| twitter | kmplayer works nicely too. | Feb 12 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | It's no insult really. | Feb 12 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | They dicredit the messenger by claiming it to be false. | Feb 12 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | This led to me being super careful with fact and nobody has complained for months about serious factual mistakes | Feb 12 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Different in opinion != mistale | Feb 12 00:32 |
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| twitter | He called you a liar. That's an insult. | Feb 12 00:33 |
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| twitter | It's also silly, if you quoted Novell correctly. Their opinion is obvious from their statement, regardless of what others might say. | Feb 12 00:34 |
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| twitter | Live CD distribution is the least of concerns anyway. You have quoted other Novell executives saying no one but Novell can have moonlight. | Feb 12 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | No exactly. | Feb 12 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | They need to obtain it via Novell | Feb 12 00:36 |
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| jose | schestowitz, are the comments moderated? | Feb 12 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | Bruce Lowry said so | Feb 12 00:36 |
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| jose | I thought i posted but it's not there | Feb 12 00:36 |
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| jose | http://ostatic.com/blog/novell-delivers-moo... | Feb 12 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | jose: in BN or oaststic? | Feb 12 00:36 |
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| jose | oas | Feb 12 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Feb 12 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes it goes into filtering | Feb 12 00:37 |
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| jose | ok, it's there now | Feb 12 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | They have a very sensitive filter | Feb 12 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Like 70% of the time I manage to stay clear of it | Feb 12 00:37 |
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| jose | i said "linux rocks" so maybe the filters caught it | Feb 12 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* @ "BTW, Meeks, employed by a top Monopolysoft contractor" | Feb 12 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | "Monopolysoft contractor"... methinks of hotels in a game of monopoly | Feb 12 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Ostatic seems to be run by Mac users... kind of like "Open" Road (Asay) | Feb 12 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | Giving console applications a bad name < http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/giv... > | Feb 12 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | OStatic has been kinder recently. Re: mono/light, it covered some other related issues and some days ago Sam linked to us too. | Feb 12 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | Dang. SJVN is being a bit of a tool for Mono.... http://blogs.computerworld.com/silverlight_vi... | Feb 12 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | Tina Gasperson of Linux.com has just landed in Jupitermedia: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/... | Feb 12 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | Qt-KDE arguments resume: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/200... | Feb 12 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | *sigh* why do OSS bloggers even mention the Fortify mouthpiece? Fortify is a Microsoft ally, so it's worth disregarding. It's like hearing that the United States calls Chavez a "dictator" (or not secure) because he doesn't let the American troops colonialise and rob Venezuela of its oil. | Feb 12 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | "I’m staring at my Netbook right now and I only have Google Chrome installed. It’s running Ubuntu, I’m using Google Docs – this is the first computer I’ve owned that Microsoft didn’t make a penny off of me. But I’m a consumer. The conclusion of the chapter is that you can’t compete with free." http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=12534 | Feb 12 01:04 |
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| jose | this is from feb 2nd but i hadn't noticed it http://ostatic.com/blog/novells-ceo-... | Feb 12 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 12 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | It was covered in IDG from India | Feb 12 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Same day something bad happeend, but I can't recall what | Feb 12 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Feb 12 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | It was around the same time/day 100 layoffs were announced at NOVL | Feb 12 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | There's more coming | Feb 12 01:20 |
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| jose | http://ostatic.com/blog/suns-oss-chief-on-openo... | Feb 12 01:20 |
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| jose | here Sam Dean adds in a little personalized ad for go-ooo | Feb 12 01:21 |
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| jose | go-oo | Feb 12 01:21 |
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| jose | it's not that bad but wanted to point it out | Feb 12 01:21 |
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| jose | the whole arti is about phipps/oo.o.. | Feb 12 01:22 |
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| jose | and he throws in this: In addition to logical mixing and matching of applications between these suites that you can do, I find it great to have Go-oo on hand as well. Go-oo is a lighter, faster fork of OpenOffice with a number of Microsoft-compatible components not found in OpenOffice. | Feb 12 01:22 |
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| jose | it's all true, and even related to the main article | Feb 12 01:23 |
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| jose | well, "true" | Feb 12 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | go-monooxml | Feb 12 01:23 |
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| jose | i haven't tried it nor tested it obviously | Feb 12 01:23 |
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| jose | yup | Feb 12 01:23 |
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| jose | or so i hear | Feb 12 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 12 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | it's ooxml with a monkey in front of it | Feb 12 01:24 |
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| jose | wait there is more | Feb 12 01:24 |
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| jose | "Go-oo improves on OpenOffice in several ways" | Feb 12 01:24 |
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| jose | that comment seemed unnecessary | Feb 12 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | Notice the Moonlight press release | Feb 12 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | it's part of the Mono project | Feb 12 01:24 |
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| jose | it's thrown in there almost like a subliminal message | Feb 12 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | The Mono group tried to dissociated Monolight[sic] from Mono.. it didn't work | Feb 12 01:25 |
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| jose | hidden among oo.o this and that | Feb 12 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | *dissociate | Feb 12 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | "Improves" Haha... | Feb 12 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | Improves to whom?? | Feb 12 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | To Novell? | Feb 12 01:25 |
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| jose | anyway, the other article by SDean could not have been done better by an ad agency | Feb 12 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | I know.. | Feb 12 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | They boost a lot of Novell stuff | Feb 12 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | I've read them since the very beginning (RSS) | Feb 12 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | Zonker is there too (Novell employee) | Feb 12 01:28 |
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| jose | ... well, if we exclude the BN part | Feb 12 01:33 |
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| jose | i wonder if posting about the lgplv2 arguments wasn't planned | Feb 12 01:33 |
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| jose | it's a minor point and miguel was quick with a reply that the issue had already been discussed and solved | Feb 12 01:34 |
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| jose | maybe novell or proxy suggested that bn could be quoted on ... lgpl2 controversy... | Feb 12 01:35 |
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| jose | and Sam Dean went for it | Feb 12 01:35 |
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| jose | I just had a chance to read an earlier link about wikipedia and the long German name | Feb 12 01:41 |
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| jose | it was funny | Feb 12 01:42 |
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| jose | it's becoming difficult to deny wikipedia is influential | Feb 12 01:42 |
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| jose | ref: http://tech.slashdot.org/articl... | Feb 12 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | I love Wikipedia, even if it has some wrinkles | Feb 12 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | Reading Wikipedia is supporting it too. | Feb 12 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | it's mutual or peer love (to those who contribute). | Feb 12 01:44 |
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| jose | noel from ietf replied to my reply (to his canned reply to my comment) | Feb 12 01:46 |
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| jose | he isn't a fan of the fsf | Feb 12 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | no, he ain;t | Feb 12 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | I put his remarks in linuxtoday for all to see | Feb 12 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | I also spread it among the ffii and anti-sw pats people | Feb 12 01:50 |
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| schestowitz | mailing lists i'm on | Feb 12 01:50 |
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| balzac | roy, can I see which article on LinuxToday you're referring to? | Feb 12 02:10 |
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| balzac | I always like to see a good sting. | Feb 12 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | It's here: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3... | Feb 12 02:11 |
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| balzac | Help Fight This Patent-Encumbered IETF Standard | Feb 12 02:12 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: FDDaily gone very quietly. Is it related to FSMan ending sort of? | Feb 12 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | *quit recently | Feb 12 02:19 |
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| balzac | FSDaily? | Feb 12 02:19 |
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| balzac | no, FSM (Free Software Magazine) is not going anywhere. They've changed from having issues to not delivering content according to a schedule. | Feb 12 02:20 |
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| balzac | FSDaily is different but related | Feb 12 02:20 |
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| balzac | Tony from FSM has stopped developing his Drupal module and he's handing it off to another maintainer. | Feb 12 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | I corresponded with him about it last year | Feb 12 02:22 |
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| balzac | Dave of FSDaily is still publishing but I've noticed a slight decrease in the number of entries in recent days. | Feb 12 02:22 |
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| amarsh04 | anyone good on hardware - been having lock-ups and found my network card's bootrom socket pins touching the bare aluminium heatsink | Feb 12 02:22 |
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| balzac | They're both community sites as well, so the pace depends not just on their respective editors. | Feb 12 02:23 |
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| amarsh04 | I've put some cardboard in between and hope that the lock-ups happen no more | Feb 12 02:23 |
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| amarsh04 | fsm had some good articles (and I *really* liked the bizarre cathedral (-:) | Feb 12 02:24 |
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| balzac | amarsh04: have you checked the log files and the core dump after lock-ups? | Feb 12 02:24 |
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| balzac | yeah, the latest bizarre cathedral is funny | Feb 12 02:24 |
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| balzac | Roy, maybe you can syndicate bizarre cathedral for a bit of humor on BN | Feb 12 02:24 |
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| amarsh04 | nothing shown, balzac. Just a complete lock-up. Keyboard won't even turn off capslock and numlock lights. Sometimes the screen is on and frozen | Feb 12 02:25 |
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| balzac | I was thinking of putting Mibbit on my site and routing visitors of Disruptech.com here. Not that I get any site visitors... | Feb 12 02:25 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: they had a new cartoon today | Feb 12 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: yes, I intended to post that. Do you mean import an image? | Feb 12 02:26 |
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| balzac | I think I ought to directly syndicate BN postings on Disruptech as well. | Feb 12 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | pls do | Feb 12 02:27 |
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| jose | stayed longer than i thought i would | Feb 12 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | pass the info | Feb 12 02:27 |
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| jose | humor is good | Feb 12 02:27 |
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| balzac | I guess not import the cartoon its self but just the notification when there's a new one. | Feb 12 02:27 |
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| jose | gn | Feb 12 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | is there a static url that points to the latest img from bizarre cathedral? | Feb 12 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | It would lighten up pages | Feb 12 02:28 |
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| balzac | maybe so. | Feb 12 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://bushweed.blogspot.com/2009/0... | Feb 12 02:34 |
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| balzac | nice cartoon | Feb 12 02:37 |
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| balzac | but the poor guy uses SUSE | Feb 12 02:37 |
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| balzac | I have nothing against SUSE except for that Novell basically controls it. | Feb 12 02:38 |
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| balzac | also, I saw a banner for Opera. Opera is just annoying. | Feb 12 02:40 |
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| balzac | They make a lot of noise like a free software project, but they're just making another proprietary browser. Who cares about a browser which has such tiny market-share *and* it's proprietary? | Feb 12 02:41 |
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| balzac | Opera evangelists are always screaming about Firefox. Apples and Oranges. | Feb 12 02:42 |
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| balzac | Opera should be screaming about IE instead. | Feb 12 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: yes, he sort of criticised us too | Feb 12 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | Opera should become Free softwrae | Feb 12 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's actually a good browser. | Feb 12 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | hmmmmm... in each blog I get spam of different 'flavours' | Feb 12 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | It's like there are different blogspam gangs. BN gets all the pr0n | Feb 12 02:45 |
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| balzac | well, good browser or not, it's nothing to me. | Feb 12 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | in schestowitz.com I get huge crapfloods of nonsense. | Feb 12 02:45 |
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| balzac | they should become free software, but even then I'd be pretty tired of them for all the sniping at Firefox. | Feb 12 02:47 |
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| balzac | as if they're even competing with FF | Feb 12 02:47 |
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| balzac | but, I know Asa of Mozilla likes to talk trash right back, so what can I say? | Feb 12 02:48 |
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| balzac | I'm about to start playing around with cURL so maybe I'll blog-spam your comments. | Feb 12 02:49 |
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| balzac | don't you have captchas? | Feb 12 02:49 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Asa 'fought' us | Feb 12 02:49 |
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| schestowitz | Mac fan | Feb 12 02:50 |
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| balzac | us being opera fans? | Feb 12 02:50 |
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| balzac | don't tell me you use opera? | Feb 12 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | He trashed Linux too | Feb 12 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | I don't use Opera | Feb 12 02:51 |
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| balzac | I went into #opensolaris and argued in favor of releasing Solaris under GPLv3, back when they were considering it. | Feb 12 02:52 |
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| balzac | I was ready to drop linux like a hot rock | Feb 12 02:52 |
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| balzac | I've got my eye on the hurd project which gets GSOC grants | Feb 12 02:53 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Feb 12 02:55 |
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| schestowitz | I'd like to see the look on Linus' face if he was bypassed by GNU | Feb 12 02:55 |
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| balzac | no kidding | Feb 12 02:55 |
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| schestowitz | He would not longer call people "masturbating monkeys" | Feb 12 02:56 |
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| balzac | I guess #opensolaris wasn't established before they had already released it under CDDL, so the die was cast when I went in to argue about it. | Feb 12 02:56 |
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| balzac | hehe | Feb 12 02:56 |
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| balzac | I remember that comment. who was it in regards to again? | Feb 12 02:57 |
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| balzac | I remember how Linus rampaged in the gnome forum about how crappy gnome was. Now he's switched from KDE to Gnome. | Feb 12 02:58 |
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| balzac | oh, it was about BSD developers. In that instance, i agreed with Linus. | Feb 12 02:58 |
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| balzac | What's his name from OpenBSD is such a joker. | Feb 12 02:58 |
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| balzac | Desparately trying to stay relevant | Feb 12 02:58 |
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| balzac | Too bad about their weak license. | Feb 12 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Apple can stomp on them | Feb 12 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | Then carving Apple logo and hail King Jobs rather than offer attribution to the real developers | Feb 12 03:00 |
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| balzac | have you seen the cartoons or heard the songs which are released with BSD? | Feb 12 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't, no | Feb 12 03:00 |
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| balzac | oh my god | Feb 12 03:00 |
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| balzac | http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#41 | Feb 12 03:01 |
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| balzac | http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html | Feb 12 03:02 |
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| balzac | check out the second one down from the top with the oddessy theme | Feb 12 03:03 |
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| balzac | openbsd is the bitter and jealous among the open source software communities. | Feb 12 03:03 |
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| balzac | the most bitter | Feb 12 03:04 |
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| balzac | I honestly feel sorry for them. | Feb 12 03:05 |
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| balzac | but I wondered if it wouldn't make sense for M$ to do what Apple has done and draw off the BSD code base for when Windows becomes un-sustainable. | Feb 12 03:05 |
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| balzac | because they're bitter against the success of the GPL just like OpenBSD. | Feb 12 03:06 |
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| balzac | It could be a perfect match of ideology and desperation. | Feb 12 03:06 |
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| schestowitz | BSDers scare me :-) | Feb 12 03:11 |
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| balzac | He scores a rhetorical point about the language of the four freedoms | Feb 12 03:11 |
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| balzac | but apart from that, GPL software has mopped the floor with BSD-licensed software overall. | Feb 12 03:12 |
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| balzac | PHP went from GPL to a BSD-style license | Feb 12 03:12 |
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| twitter | ha ha, greed killed the elevator star pusher. http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Musi... | Feb 12 03:13 |
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| balzac | nevertheless, the "copyleft" has become the gold standard because it doesn't allow some corporation to devour your project and piss all over you. | Feb 12 03:13 |
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| twitter | yeah I don't understand letting others use your code to oppress people. | Feb 12 03:15 |
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| balzac | also, GNU has a more permissive license as well - the lgpl | Feb 12 03:15 |
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| balzac | I don't see investing a lot of time in a project with others when a company can hire your friends, but leave you out, and then take the code-tree proprietary. | Feb 12 03:16 |
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| balzac | imagine if you were a project initiator or partner, then a company bought all your friends out and sent you away empty handed? | Feb 12 03:17 |
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| twitter | Why make a gift for abusers? | Feb 12 03:17 |
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| twitter | They could just take the code without the buy out. | Feb 12 03:17 |
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| balzac | sure, but the developers tend to be acquired along with a given project for their familiarity with the code. | Feb 12 03:18 |
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| schestowitz | postgres? | Feb 12 03:18 |
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| twitter | One or two for a year or so are all that's needed. It's not like code owners improve things. | Feb 12 03:18 |
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| twitter | at best they "integrate" it with their existing code before closing it up and losing the key. | Feb 12 03:19 |
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| balzac | i'm not very familiar with the postgres project | Feb 12 03:20 |
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| balzac | But PHP switching away from GPL-licensing has me inclined to turn my attention towards another language | Feb 12 03:22 |
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| balzac | not a strong inclination, but it just got my attention | Feb 12 03:22 |
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| tessier | You shouldn't be using PHP anyway. Not unless you enjoy running a remote root server. | Feb 12 03:24 |
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| balzac | well, my primary web development platform is php-based, as are the lion's share of GPL-licensed web applications | Feb 12 03:25 |
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| schestowitz | Well, the good ones anyway | Feb 12 03:26 |
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| balzac | The more highly evolved ones, just because PHP has been around longer than Python and Ruby as an Apache module. | Feb 12 03:27 |
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| balzac | But how about Sovix? | Feb 12 03:27 |
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| balzac | that's AGPL-licensed | Feb 12 03:27 |
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| balzac | sounds interesting | Feb 12 03:27 |
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| balzac | FSF runs on Plone with is python-based | Feb 12 03:28 |
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| balzac | FSF.org | Feb 12 03:28 |
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| balzac | IIRC | Feb 12 03:28 |
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| balzac | Drupal caught fire from being the CMS of KernelTrap.org | Feb 12 03:29 |
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| balzac | I'm thinking about Hunchentoot as a web server | Feb 12 03:31 |
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| balzac | I've read so many great things about LISP and I use Emacs every day for web programming. | Feb 12 03:31 |
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| balzac | How about Hunchentoot on the Hurd? | Feb 12 03:31 |
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| balzac | There's a lot of work to be done on those projects, and that contributes to my sense of urgency for the GNU project to get more adequate and proportional funding. | Feb 12 03:32 |
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| balzac | GNU is so important, but still doesn't get the red-carpet treatment like the Linux project. | Feb 12 03:33 |
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| balzac | Companies like Google and Redhat deserve to be shaken-down on behalf of GNU and the FSF. | Feb 12 03:33 |
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| balzac | I hope to see the Hurd become a contender over the next few years. | Feb 12 03:35 |
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| schestowitz | kerneltrap went to sleep a while ago | Feb 12 03:36 |
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| balzac | I wonder why | Feb 12 03:36 |
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| schestowitz | GNU gets no red carpet because of the philosophy | Feb 12 03:36 |
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| schestowitz | It scares the likes of IBM | Feb 12 03:36 |
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| balzac | Well, Google has no excuse, nor does Redhat. | Feb 12 03:37 |
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| schestowitz | The FSF is there to replace exploitation and displace intellectual monopolies. | Feb 12 03:37 |
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| balzac | they're not old companies and they owe their very existence to the success of GPL-licensed projects. | Feb 12 03:37 |
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| balzac | I just want to see the Hurd acheive lift-off | Feb 12 03:38 |
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| tessier | balzac: I too am very interested in lisp and emacs. | Feb 12 03:38 |
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| tessier | I use emacs but only for basic stuff. I want to learn it better. The idea of an editor with an integrated language to make it extensible is clearly very powerful | Feb 12 03:39 |
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| balzac | tessier: I keep reading about advances in some of the new programming languages - they're adding features LISP has always had. | Feb 12 03:39 |
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| tessier | balzac: it's true. | Feb 12 03:40 |
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| balzac | but I'm actually not literate enough as a programmer or math-geek to know. | Feb 12 03:40 |
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| tessier | The only exception really being perhaps Erlang's message passing | Feb 12 03:40 |
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| balzac | I need to get deep enough into programming that I run up against the limitations of a language. | Feb 12 03:43 |
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| balzac | but then again, one lesson I've learned after wasting years on proprietary software is this: software which is not intelligently designed can make you feel dumb and helpless. | Feb 12 03:43 |
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| balzac | I should probably go straight into the most advanced language available. | Feb 12 03:44 |
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| balzac | I've heard that lisp programmers can get specialized jobs of a higher order. | Feb 12 03:47 |
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| balzac | tessier: the idea of an editor with an integrated language for extensibility is powerful, but the idea of an editor which is not extensible is just dumb. | Feb 12 03:49 |
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| balzac | It's like a builder who entombs themselves inside the building. | Feb 12 03:50 |
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| balzac | I guess that's only good for the pharoah. | Feb 12 03:51 |
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| mib_2v2vy7 | goodmorning | Feb 12 07:46 |
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| Samad | hi ALL | Feb 12 09:23 |
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| Samad | Gd Afternoon | Feb 12 09:23 |
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| Samad | ICan anyone help me on driver programming | Feb 12 09:24 |
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| amarsh04 | not really, I'm not a developer, but are you looking for a mailing list appropriate for a particular kind of driver? | Feb 12 09:28 |
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| Samad | ok thanks | Feb 12 09:29 |
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| MinceR | oh hai | Feb 12 09:37 |
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| schestowitz | Morning. | Feb 12 10:17 |
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| MinceR | o/ | Feb 12 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | \0/ | Feb 12 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | "A particularly pro-Silverlight article: Silverlight for Linux hits with Microsoft punch http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/... Clarke is very uneven. This article has too much MS PR in it. I mean, look at this:" | Feb 12 10:20 |
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| schestowitz | ""The media pack also carries valuable legal clout for Linux users. It features codecs that have already been licensed by Microsoft from major media companies and are worth $1m per user. Moonlight users are indemnified against litigation that might arise from their use in Moonlight." What is that, a joke??" | Feb 12 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | It's not a joke though, it's just typical Gavin, friend of the Vole. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozcl... | Feb 12 10:21 |
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| oiaohm | Some how I don't think MS is paying 1 million per user. | Feb 12 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | 1 trillion dollars spent on advertising/marketing in 1992... creating artificial wants.. | Feb 12 10:51 |
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| oiaohm | Game is getting more interesting. | Feb 12 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | FFII is apparently disagreeing with what FSF did to IETF. | Feb 12 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | Filmmaker Accuses Facebook Of Censorship < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/11/fi... > | Feb 12 11:37 |
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| oiaohm | http://science.slashdot.org/article.... Great we might have a domino effect | Feb 12 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | I was just thinking about this less than a week ago. China also has satellite interception systems and its tests disseminated debris. | Feb 12 11:40 |
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| oiaohm | There are still a lot of old non transmitting sats up there. | Feb 12 11:41 |
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| schestowitz | Junkyard | Feb 12 11:41 |
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| schestowitz | They worry about cleaning up later. There's no money in cleaning up | Feb 12 11:42 |
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| oiaohm | Ok last operation sat is meant to do is thrust it self into a decaying orbit for distruction. | Feb 12 11:44 |
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| oiaohm | Only one problem some complete screwed up internally before that operation could be done. | Feb 12 11:45 |
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| oiaohm | Really china intercept system is messy. | Feb 12 11:45 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it's interception. It's not intended to be clear. | Feb 12 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | *clean. Maybe when we mess up Earth's orbit we can launch some new ones around the Moon :-) | Feb 12 11:49 |
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| oiaohm | They hit it the wrong way. | Feb 12 11:49 |
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| oiaohm | Ie go over the sat and hit it coming back in. | Feb 12 11:49 |
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| oiaohm | So driving sat and rocket bits into a decaying obit. | Feb 12 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | There's no reason why it's wrong for China and not for the US | Feb 12 11:50 |
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| oiaohm | It is China has a booming sat launch business | Feb 12 11:50 |
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| oiaohm | Paid on suscessful lanch. | Feb 12 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | We're done polluting the Earth's atmosphere, now we're polluting the stratosphere. | Feb 12 11:50 |
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| oiaohm | I wonder if a growning halo of rubish is being looked for as a possable sign of life. | Feb 12 11:51 |
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| schestowitz | Google surges in U.S. search engine rankings < http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-101... > | Feb 12 11:53 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. Wrong key | Feb 12 11:54 |
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| oiaohm | It happens | Feb 12 11:58 |
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| oiaohm | At least you did not power the server off. | Feb 12 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/st... "glynmoody: Welcome, @caostheory (Matthew Aslett): we missed you here." | Feb 12 12:04 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of FOSS people choose the identi.ca rival. Why??? "Do as I say, not as I do..." | Feb 12 12:05 |
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| schestowitz | What Alabamians and Iranians Have in Common < http://www.gallup.com/poll/11... > | Feb 12 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | Spot the contradiction: http://practical-tech.com/operating-system... and http://practical-tech.com/operating-syste... . One day he likes non-Free codecs, the next day he does not like them (or vice versa) | Feb 12 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/l... "In a time of deepening economic gloom, it’s easy to see how these rumors can gain creditability. Bruce said that Novell’s cuts were “in response to the global economic downturn.”" | Feb 12 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | Still denying it, just like Microsoft did months before it happened (Microsoft lied) | Feb 12 12:12 |
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| oiaohm | Novell has a nice soft cussion to reduce its job losses. | Feb 12 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Cuba Launches Own Linux Variant to Counter U.S. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-... | Feb 12 12:15 |
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| oiaohm | Name Microsoft | Feb 12 12:15 |
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| Eruaran | hi Roy | Feb 12 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, what's up? | Feb 12 12:16 |
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| Eruaran | I have a link here to a blog that is very interesting | Feb 12 12:16 |
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| Eruaran | http://thecrandreagoupr.blogspot.com... | Feb 12 12:16 |
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| Eruaran | The Crandrea Group is a lobby group of Microsoft shareholders | Feb 12 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | I.e. part of the Cult. let me read.. | Feb 12 12:18 |
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| Eruaran | They want Ballmer gone | Feb 12 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | Lobby = legalised bribery | Feb 12 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: :-) | Feb 12 12:19 |
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| Eruaran | They're lobbying other shareholders to take action | Feb 12 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | 10 posts only in this blog | Feb 12 12:19 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Feb 12 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | Are they relevant. I think I heard of them before | Feb 12 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: ic... | Feb 12 12:19 |
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| *schestowitz looks for an article.. | Feb 12 12:20 |
| Eruaran | First time I've heard of them tonight | Feb 12 12:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Reflectio... | Feb 12 12:20 |
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| *schestowitz looking for a different one | Feb 12 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: I have about 12 refs on asking Ballmer to go | Feb 12 12:20 |
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| schestowitz | Let me get them for you. | Feb 12 12:20 |
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| Eruaran | k | Feb 12 12:20 |
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| Eruaran | I've been saying for a while this was going to happen | Feb 12 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | OK, it's here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/0... | Feb 12 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | Scroll down a bit though | Feb 12 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/What_to_ask_at... | Feb 12 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | I can't quite find the article about the lady who sort of grilled Ballmer as a disappointed investor | Feb 12 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | This whole relationship of sponsoring tyrannies for maximal exploitation if extremely harmful (in general) | Feb 12 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | If you ask yourself, what is the accountability and what are these companies doing, you realise they can be very harmful to society because there is n legal obligation to account for things like human rights, environment, etc. it's taken to the extreme in the US, I think... | Feb 12 12:23 |
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| Eruaran | "The chances of Windows 7 suddenly winning over Windows XP users in droves are slim to none. Windows 7 is a better Vista but doesn't deliver enough advantages or differentiation from Windows XP to woo XP users" | Feb 12 12:25 |
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| oiaohm | Notice free upgrade from Vista to Windows 7 | Feb 12 12:25 |
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| oiaohm | Only for OEM users. | Feb 12 12:25 |
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| oiaohm | Nice all those people who aquired upgraded from home to ult | Feb 12 12:25 |
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| oiaohm | Are so screwed. | Feb 12 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | Vista->VIsta7=SP | Feb 12 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | +marketing(perception) | Feb 12 12:27 |
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| Eruaran | "I've been using the Windows 7 public beta as my full-time laptop OS and have reached some pretty firm conclusions about Windows 7's ability to woo XP, Vista, Linux and Mac users over to the new OS." | Feb 12 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | Source? | Feb 12 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, BetaVista7 is no more (to downloaders) | Feb 12 12:28 |
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| Eruaran | "OS marketshare will probably continue to decrease" | Feb 12 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | Since yesterday or the day before that | Feb 12 12:28 |
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| Eruaran | This is all from the Crandrea Group blog | Feb 12 12:28 |
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| oiaohm | Windows 7 is a improvement over vista | Feb 12 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder if some more of primitivism will increase due to the economic slump | Feb 12 12:29 |
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| oiaohm | Still compared to XP its performance still could do with work. | Feb 12 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | ref to ""OS marketshare will probably continue to decrease" | Feb 12 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | IDC has revealed that less PCs are sold | Feb 12 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | They become less of a priority to people. | Feb 12 12:29 |
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| oiaohm | PS I recycle systems. | Feb 12 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes,cannibalise sales that is | Feb 12 12:29 |
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| Eruaran | Vista 7 still uses too much in the way of resources | Feb 12 12:29 |
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| Eruaran | It wont win over stalwart XP users | Feb 12 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: there is no Vista7 | Feb 12 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | That's the thing | Feb 12 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | It's a beta | Feb 12 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | Vista7 doesn't exist yet | Feb 12 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | They can do all sorts of things to deceit | Feb 12 12:30 |
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| Eruaran | I've been testing the beta | Feb 12 12:30 |
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| oiaohm | Note anything is a improvement over vista | Feb 12 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | Vista7 will make you coffee | Feb 12 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | *deceive | Feb 12 12:30 |
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| oiaohm | Running Debian 5 when its not released yet is a improvment over vista. | Feb 12 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: other OSes evolve too | Feb 12 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | Debian is out in 2 days | Feb 12 12:31 |
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| oiaohm | I have been running Debain 5 for the last 8 months. | Feb 12 12:31 |
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| Eruaran | Windows 7 build 7000 cannot compete with a good distro running KDE 4.2 | Feb 12 12:32 |
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| Eruaran | So, they will push multitouch really hard | Feb 12 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | Some debian devs will go out with the g/fs, others will just fsck their HDDs in preparation for an upgrade | Feb 12 12:32 |
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| oiaohm | KDE 4.2 is not fully cooked yet. Most likely stick with KDE 3.5 until 4.3 | Feb 12 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: KDE 3.5.x is here to stay until 2010+ | Feb 12 12:33 |
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| Eruaran | Problem is, there is no really solid, useful, practical application of multitouch beyond gimmick and extra expense with multitouch monitors... | Feb 12 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | They have KDE deployed in important places | Feb 12 12:33 |
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| oiaohm | Pitty X.org has not released 1.6.0 yet. | Feb 12 12:33 |
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| Eruaran | I've been using Gnome for some months now | Feb 12 12:33 |
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| oiaohm | At least other key merges have happened. | Feb 12 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | Linus ought to have been patient! He tried 4.0 (!!) ferchristsake | Feb 12 12:33 |
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| oiaohm | Multi touch has use in phones | Feb 12 12:34 |
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| Eruaran | KDE 4.x might not be fully cooked, but its looking rather nice in the oven there... the ping of the timer will ring soon | Feb 12 12:34 |
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| oiaohm | KDE 3.x only become good at about 3.4 | Feb 12 12:35 |
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| oiaohm | So if kde 4 becomes good at 4.3 they have beaten the record. | Feb 12 12:35 |
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| Eruaran | oiaohm: yes, one of the reasons for Apples huge success is how it implemented multitouch, in a useful appropriate and fun way | Feb 12 12:35 |
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| oiaohm | Issue here Multi touch is not a unque feature. | Feb 12 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: not true | Feb 12 12:35 |
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| Eruaran | oiaohm: KDE4 will beat that record and in much less time | Feb 12 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | I used 3.1 until 2007 and I loved it | Feb 12 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | There were hardly any bugs, either | Feb 12 12:36 |
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| oiaohm | I stuck with enlightment back then. | Feb 12 12:36 |
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| Eruaran | KDE4 is travelling very quickly | Feb 12 12:36 |
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| oiaohm | Ie 3.1 | Feb 12 12:36 |
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| oiaohm | theming got solidly sorted out in 3.4. | Feb 12 12:36 |
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| Eruaran | I am quite impressed with KDE4's pace of development | Feb 12 12:37 |
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| oiaohm | KDE 4.2 most of it works on windows. | Feb 12 12:37 |
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| oiaohm | KDE 4.3 or 4.4 cross OS desktop might appear. | Feb 12 12:37 |
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| Eruaran | you can bet your booties Microsoft couldn't match that, and I think the Gnome community would spend more time talking about what they're going to do rather than doing it | Feb 12 12:37 |
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| oiaohm | That gives MS another strange competition problem. | Feb 12 12:37 |
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| oiaohm | Its no longer person choose OS. | Feb 12 12:38 |
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| oiaohm | It person choose what they like using. So hiding what OS they really have. | Feb 12 12:38 |
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| Eruaran | Geos ran on DOS | Feb 12 12:38 |
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| Eruaran | Remember GeoWorks Ensemble ? | Feb 12 12:38 |
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| oiaohm | I remember it. | Feb 12 12:39 |
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| oiaohm | Its not like what KDE is doign. | Feb 12 12:39 |
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| Eruaran | true | Feb 12 12:39 |
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| Eruaran | But I thought I'd mention it | Feb 12 12:39 |
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| oiaohm | KDE is creating a platform that has not ties to OS's. | Feb 12 12:39 |
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| Eruaran | Back in those days we all liked Geos much better than Windows | Feb 12 12:39 |
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| oiaohm | That is a really nasty wrinkle of a problem for MS. | Feb 12 12:39 |
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| Eruaran | but yes, Geos was tied to DOS | Feb 12 12:39 |
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| Eruaran | oiaohm: its the KDE turn-the-tables version of Embrace and Extend | Feb 12 12:40 |
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| Eruaran | Can you imagine the faces at Microsoft when someone realises at Redmond, "WERE being embraced and extended !" | Feb 12 12:41 |
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| Eruaran | I'm not sure how it will pan out, but its subversive enough on Windows to be fun | Feb 12 12:42 |
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| Eruaran | KDE on Windows is second class though | Feb 12 12:42 |
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| Eruaran | You don't get full functionality | Feb 12 12:42 |
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| Eruaran | If you want all the goodies you have to use Linux | Feb 12 12:43 |
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| Eruaran | ;) | Feb 12 12:43 |
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| Eruaran | Its the reverse of something like Moonlight | Feb 12 12:43 |
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| Eruaran | But once K3B is smooth and stable on KDE/Windows, we will be pre-installing it on our customers Windows systems instead of Nero (and good riddance too). | Feb 12 12:45 |
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| oiaohm | Its kontact I am waiting on particularly. | Feb 12 12:46 |
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| Eruaran | ooh | Feb 12 12:47 |
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| oiaohm | So I can say by by to MS exchange. | Feb 12 12:47 |
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| Eruaran | nice | Feb 12 12:47 |
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| oiaohm | I have quite a few good burning programs for windows that are free. | Feb 12 12:47 |
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| Eruaran | Nero tends to be what always gets pre installed | Feb 12 12:47 |
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| oiaohm | samba with ADS will also be good. | Feb 12 12:48 |
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| oiaohm | Nero comes a lot OEM with burners. | Feb 12 12:48 |
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| Eruaran | The walls of Jerico are crumbling | Feb 12 12:48 |
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| Eruaran | yes, it comes with lite-on and LG too I think | Feb 12 12:48 |
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| Eruaran | But its trialware | Feb 12 12:49 |
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| Eruaran | For us, the phone calls from Windows uses who complain their trialware doesn't function fully any more are really an annoying time waster... So, K3B, which we love, running on Windows is very attractive. | Feb 12 12:50 |
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| Eruaran | And most Windows users dont even look for something else, they hate Nero, but just keep using it... (maybe they've been programmed like that by using Windows)... So, whatever we spoon feed them, they will take it. | Feb 12 12:51 |
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| Eruaran | We will give them K3B. | Feb 12 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, KDE 3.1 had very minor issues with themes. Very minor | Feb 12 12:52 |
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| Eruaran | My gnome desktop has issues | Feb 12 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: Microsoft will hardly permit GUI on top of Windows | Feb 12 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | Unless it's theirs | Feb 12 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | Wait. I'll show you using internal correspondence. | Feb 12 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009... | Feb 12 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | I have more. In short, they control how the 'computer' is presented. They are very zealous about it. | Feb 12 12:54 |
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| schestowitz | That's why H-P turned to Linux for its own OS | Feb 12 12:54 |
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| Eruaran | We don't really care that much about the GUI, KDE as a GUI on Windows is more of a novelty at this stage... but the apps, there's real firepower there. | Feb 12 12:54 |
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| Eruaran | I think at this stage Microsoft should be more worried about KDE apps appearing on Windows | Feb 12 12:55 |
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| Eruaran | Familiarity with Linux apps will break down barriers | Feb 12 12:55 |
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| oiaohm | More the fact that all users can be on the same interface | Feb 12 12:55 |
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| oiaohm | So business manuals for use of difference machine becomes simpler to write. | Feb 12 12:56 |
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| Eruaran | oiaohm: yes, I can see what you mean | Feb 12 12:56 |
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| oiaohm | its an annoying little theat. Make a mono culture wihout having a mono culture OS network. | Feb 12 12:56 |
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| Eruaran | M$ will surely try to do something to stop KDE on Windows | Feb 12 12:57 |
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| oiaohm | Most things in kde start lives as noteltys before turning into major threats. | Feb 12 12:57 |
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| oiaohm | Little bit hard. | Feb 12 12:57 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Feb 12 12:57 |
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| oiaohm | KDE uses QT | Feb 12 12:57 |
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| oiaohm | Break QT break Adobe. | Feb 12 12:57 |
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| oiaohm | Welcome to MS house of cards. | Feb 12 12:58 |
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| Eruaran | Microsoft did sniff arount Trolltech (Qt Software) a bit through a deal with Broadcom... but it all went quiet when Qt went GPLv3 | Feb 12 12:58 |
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| Eruaran | And then Nokia came along... | Feb 12 12:58 |
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| Eruaran | And surprisingly, they go lets do LGPL | Feb 12 12:59 |
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| oiaohm | Trolltech enabled the good anti MS defence. | Feb 12 12:59 |
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| oiaohm | MS will not aquire anything under GPLv3 its a threat to there patents | Feb 12 12:59 |
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| oiaohm | Of course nokia don't give a rats abotu software other than it works to sell there devices. | Feb 12 13:00 |
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| Eruaran | Microsoft could still try and hobble KDE on Windows like they did with DR-DOS | Feb 12 13:00 |
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| oiaohm | DR-Dos is different. | Feb 12 13:01 |
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| oiaohm | DR-Dos was cloning the Dos system. | Feb 12 13:01 |
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| Eruaran | What I mean is they could potentially try a similar strategy | Feb 12 13:01 |
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| oiaohm | KDE is simply building a new system over the top. | Feb 12 13:01 |
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| oiaohm | Little hard to attack that. KDE can alter its stack to cope with what every MS does. | Feb 12 13:01 |
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| Eruaran | true | Feb 12 13:01 |
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| oiaohm | One problem MS will break a lot of applciations they depend on attempt to attack KDE. | Feb 12 13:02 |
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| Eruaran | But, I would expect Microsoft to try something | Feb 12 13:02 |
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| oiaohm | Ie house of cards. | Feb 12 13:02 |
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| oiaohm | Attack KDE bring own house of cards down. | Feb 12 13:02 |
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| oiaohm | Only chance MS has is to get .net to really take off. | Feb 12 13:02 |
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| Eruaran | I dont' see that happening | Feb 12 13:02 |
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| oiaohm | For that to happen MS has to bite the big one. | Feb 12 13:03 |
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| oiaohm | and compete the same way KDE is. | Feb 12 13:03 |
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| Eruaran | I think the Windows registry is the first place Microsoft will go to try and hobble KDE | Feb 12 13:03 |
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| Eruaran | They'll put shite in the registry | Feb 12 13:03 |
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| oiaohm | KDE on windows does not use the Windows registry. | Feb 12 13:03 |
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| Eruaran | oh | Feb 12 13:03 |
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| Eruaran | well... | Feb 12 13:03 |
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| Eruaran | haha | Feb 12 13:03 |
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| oiaohm | Yes KDE developers are not fools. | Feb 12 13:04 |
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| Eruaran | :P | Feb 12 13:04 |
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| oiaohm | Ok overally conventent. | Feb 12 13:04 |
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| oiaohm | But not fools. | Feb 12 13:04 |
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| MinceR | 140627 < oiaohm> DR-Dos was cloning the Dos system. | Feb 12 13:05 |
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| MinceR | ...which was cloning the CP/M system | Feb 12 13:05 |
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| MinceR | stealing code from it | Feb 12 13:05 |
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| MinceR | and CP/M was a DR product :> | Feb 12 13:05 |
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| oiaohm | Ye | Feb 12 13:05 |
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| oiaohm | Catch is who controled the int calls MinceR | Feb 12 13:05 |
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| oiaohm | MS so DR-Dos ended up screwed. | Feb 12 13:06 |
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| Eruaran | The Microsoft Malicioius Software Removal Tool | Feb 12 13:07 |
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| Eruaran | It gets forced on people in Windows updates | Feb 12 13:07 |
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| Eruaran | oh | Feb 12 13:08 |
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| Eruaran | Today i watched IE7 take fully something like half an hour to install on a system | Feb 12 13:09 |
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| Eruaran | I was like, "what the hell is it doing ?" | Feb 12 13:09 |
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| MinceR | the mistake was letting it install ;) | Feb 12 13:16 |
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| Eruaran | The mistake is letting Windows install | Feb 12 13:16 |
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| Eruaran | But the customer wants what the customer wants... | Feb 12 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | IE7 is an installation softwarer for Windows | Feb 12 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | You visit a Web site, you come back with new soft/malware | Feb 12 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's also an update mechanism | Feb 12 13:18 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 12 13:18 |
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