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| Thanks for pointing out that child porn article. There's a lot to be furious about these cases. The victims of such prosecution are completely embarrassed for what they thought was a private communication and the prosecution is guilty of the crime they allege because they PUBLISH the images and share them with the court. | Mar 28 01:22 | |
| oiaohm | Here there are a lot of rules over how child porn cases have to be handled. | Mar 28 01:23 |
| The victims are only guilty of trusting their telecommunications overlords. | Mar 28 01:24 | |
| The rules are wrong, as these perverse cases prove. | Mar 28 01:24 | |
| The violator is MySpace and the phone company. | Mar 28 01:24 | |
| oiaohm | Even if they trade photo person to person same rules apply here. | Mar 28 01:24 |
| They inspect what should be private. | Mar 28 01:25 | |
| oiaohm | twitter: if you want stuff private don't send it not encrypted. | Mar 28 01:25 |
| Spying costs money and should be against the law for everyone's good. | Mar 28 01:26 | |
| oiaohm | Displaying stuff on the internet not encypted is classes as displaying it in a public place or writing a message on a post card. | Mar 28 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact people don't want to accept the truth about it. | Mar 28 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Then kick and scream when they get caught. | Mar 28 01:26 |
| MySpace pretends things are private, then sell their victims to the highest bidder. The prosecutors, in this case, are just another bidder. | Mar 28 01:26 | |
| oiaohm | Read the MySpace agreement. | Mar 28 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Again people don't. | Mar 28 01:27 |
| oiaohm | You agreed to allowing your items to be inspected for illegal content. | Mar 28 01:27 |
| oiaohm | If you don't read the licence of the service you are using who fault is that. | Mar 28 01:28 |
| Who wants to read pages and pages of fine print to understand that the large print is a lie? | Mar 28 01:28 | |
| People who make "agreements" like that are liars. | Mar 28 01:28 | |
| oiaohm | MySpace is stuck between a devil and deep blue sea. | Mar 28 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Don't inspect the content they can be charaged with harboring if legal content is found on there servers. | Mar 28 01:29 |
| MySpace exists because ISPs don't let people share. | Mar 28 01:29 | |
| They block ports and do other obnoxious things. | Mar 28 01:29 | |
| oiaohm | Now why don't ISP let people share. | Mar 28 01:29 |
| oiaohm | The same reason in most cases. | Mar 28 01:30 |
| They do this for the benefit of big publishers and M$. | Mar 28 01:30 | |
| oiaohm | You are using there services they are party responsable for your actions. | Mar 28 01:30 |
| Big publishers want a captive, helpless and dependent audience. | Mar 28 01:30 | |
| oiaohm | If people did not do illegal things there would be no need for ISP to be restricting. | Mar 28 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Basically everyone is bring restrictions on themselfs. | Mar 28 01:31 |
| There's nothing illegal about running a web server but most ISPs forbid it. | Mar 28 01:31 | |
| People who are forbidden to run their own web servers are not responsible when those who are violate them. | Mar 28 01:31 | |
| oiaohm | That is in your agreement with them again. | Mar 28 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Most ISP you can pay more for web server usage allowance. | Mar 28 01:32 |
| I don't have a choice but to "agree" with them if there are no other providers. | Mar 28 01:32 | |
| oiaohm | And there is a tech reason for it. It called traffic controll. | Mar 28 01:32 |
| Open Spectrum should solve this problem on the side of freedom. | Mar 28 01:32 | |
| oiaohm | If as a ISP I am turning all users into 1 ip number on the internel. | Mar 28 01:33 |
| oiaohm | internet | Mar 28 01:33 |
| Fuck ISPs like that, I want my freedom. | Mar 28 01:33 | |
| oiaohm | And I let uses run a http server. You end up with multiable machines connected to the same port numbers. | Mar 28 01:33 |
| Open Spectrum will solve "traffic" problems. | Mar 28 01:33 | |
| oiaohm | IP6 opens up more ips | Mar 28 01:34 |
| oiaohm | So IP stacking should not be needed. | Mar 28 01:34 |
| http://www.reed.com/OpenSpectrum/ | Mar 28 01:34 | |
| oiaohm | Yes you get a cheaper connection price if your connection can be stacked on to a single IP. | Mar 28 01:34 |
| With Open Spectrum, there will be no bandwith scarcity and people will be able to share whatever they want in whatever manner they wish. | Mar 28 01:35 | |
| Telco and broadcasters will be a thing of the past and there will be true freedom of press. | Mar 28 01:35 | |
| oiaohm | LOL | Mar 28 01:36 |
| oiaohm | There is always bandwith scarcity. | Mar 28 01:36 |
| Reed and Bose know what they are talking about and they say bullshit. | Mar 28 01:36 | |
| tessier | I'm not sure there necessarily has to be...at least not for a certain amount of bandwidth. | Mar 28 01:36 |
| tessier | If we all had 10Mb we could all do video. | Mar 28 01:36 |
| tessier | Any more than that isn't really necessary although of course it would be nice. | Mar 28 01:37 |
| Broadcasters and publishers are soaking up the world's spectrum with antiquated tech. Even cable modems could provide orders of magnitude more bandwith if they were not wasting so much of it on broadcasting crap all day. | Mar 28 01:37 | |
| tessier | The big issue is that if something like what he advocates happens censorship will be much harder and probably impossible. | Mar 28 01:38 |
| tessier | And all you have to do is say "child porn!" and it'll all be over. | Mar 28 01:38 |
| tessier | Because child porn isn't worth freedom of any sort to most people. | Mar 28 01:38 |
| tessier | We would all live in Soviet Russia if it could stop child porn. | Mar 28 01:38 |
| The real bandwith of the usable spectrum is effectively infinite compared to demand. | Mar 28 01:38 | |
| tessier | Of course it can't because people would be corrupt in those circumstances. | Mar 28 01:38 |
| tessier | twitter: Especially over small areas. | Mar 28 01:38 |
| tessier | Which you then multiply... | Mar 28 01:39 |
| Soviet Russia had child porn and more exploitation than you can shake a stick at. Exploitation comes when power is concentrated. | Mar 28 01:39 | |
| tessier | What is the bandwidth of the entire cell network? | Mar 28 01:39 |
| tessier | twitter: Indeed | Mar 28 01:39 |
| tessier | How many mobile phones are there out there? | Mar 28 01:39 |
| tessier | Actually, how many mobile phone base stations and how many phones can each one support? | Mar 28 01:39 |
| tessier | That would be the bandwidth of the current system. I bet it is massive. | Mar 28 01:39 |
| oiaohm | Problem here I can talk about real world tests of the idea of unlimited radio space. | Mar 28 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Fox slammed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X... | Mar 28 01:40 |
| oiaohm | The theory of OpenSpectrum works well on paper. | Mar 28 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Does not work in real world. | Mar 28 01:40 |
| works well as 802.11B too | Mar 28 01:40 | |
| oiaohm | There is a problem. | Mar 28 01:40 |
| yeah, it's that broadcasters are lying to you. | Mar 28 01:41 | |
| oiaohm | 1 incorrect placed transmitter can act as a jammer | Mar 28 01:41 |
| oiaohm | On a lot of others. | Mar 28 01:41 |
| jammers can and should be fined. | Mar 28 01:41 | |
| oiaohm | due to refections of other items in the envorment. | Mar 28 01:41 |
| oiaohm | That is the noise source. | Mar 28 01:41 |
| don't BS me. malice can wipe out the current broadcasters too | Mar 28 01:42 | |
| oiaohm | More transmitters you have the more refections of items you have the higher the background nosie is. | Mar 28 01:42 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I know first hand from highly dencity 802.11 wireless network debuging. | Mar 28 01:42 |
| that's not what happens with 802.11 | Mar 28 01:42 | |
| oiaohm | It does happen in 802.11 | Mar 28 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Starts at when you get about 60 inside a block area. | Mar 28 01:43 |
| oiaohm | And progressively gets worse. | Mar 28 01:43 |
| oiaohm | That paper completely over looks the cause of noise. | Mar 28 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Now if he was talking about optical links it would work. | Mar 28 01:44 |
| The two shared frequencies of 802.11 are more than adequate to serve people's short distance needs. If people could use the rest of the spectrum, there would be no problem at all. | Mar 28 01:44 | |
| oiaohm | It all depends what its echoing off. | Mar 28 01:44 |
| I'm sorry, oiaohm, I'm going to trust Reed and Bose before you. | Mar 28 01:44 | |
| oiaohm | Have you ever built echo airals. | Mar 28 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Where they recive a signal and transmit on a different freq completely. | Mar 28 01:45 |
| That's not what Open Spectrum is all about. | Mar 28 01:46 | |
| oiaohm | Just due to they way they are designed. | Mar 28 01:46 |
| oiaohm | It what brings the idea to it knees twitter | Mar 28 01:46 |
| oiaohm | There is a max desintiy. | Mar 28 01:46 |
| Open Spectrum uses random time outs, packet communication and frequency hopping. | Mar 28 01:46 | |
| oiaohm | If all buidling and other items were built to be sure that there are no echos then the idea would work. | Mar 28 01:47 |
| These techniques overcome problems of brain dead "echo aerials" | Mar 28 01:47 | |
| oiaohm | If you are generating nosie too strong over come techniques fail. | Mar 28 01:48 |
| There are ways around your problems, oiaohm. You are not going to convince anyone that broadcast is a better use of frequency or cable. | Mar 28 01:48 | |
| oiaohm | air base optictal avoids the problem. | Mar 28 01:48 |
| oiaohm | But is more complex to setup. | Mar 28 01:48 |
| The spectrum should be delicensed. | Mar 28 01:48 | |
| oiaohm | opticial internlinks don't require a licence. | Mar 28 01:49 |
| Line of sight short range communications can overcome your imagined problems too. | Mar 28 01:49 | |
| oiaohm | I know from syndey and perth here. | Mar 28 01:49 |
| oiaohm | They have large wireless networks. | Mar 28 01:50 |
| oiaohm | So that idea has been real world tested. | Mar 28 01:50 |
| I think people like Bose and Reed can design a network that's free and avoids your problems without needing any one to one optical linds | Mar 28 01:50 | |
| *links | Mar 28 01:50 | |
| No country has delicensed their spectrum. | Mar 28 01:50 | |
| schestowitz | Vote-stealing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Mar 28 01:51 |
| looking | Mar 28 01:51 | |
| oiaohm | Ok the best way to think of radio is water in a pond. You see watter ripples reflect of particular things. | Mar 28 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Throw in 1 rock it simple to track what is going on. | Mar 28 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Throw in multiable it gets harder. | Mar 28 01:52 |
| Yes, reed uses the analogy too. The waves pass through each other, "interference" is local. | Mar 28 01:53 | |
| oiaohm | At a particular point it becomes too hard to make sence of. | Mar 28 01:53 |
| light beams can intersect, the information from each comes out of the intersection intact. | Mar 28 01:53 | |
| oiaohm | There is a limit on transmitter desnity based on what objects are in the local area reflecting things. | Mar 28 01:53 |
| there is no limit on transmitter density if you don't limit frequency use. | Mar 28 01:54 | |
| There are practical limits to frequency use, but these are well beyond what anyone can expect to ever use. | Mar 28 01:54 | |
| oiaohm | Problem is there is a flat line limit. | Mar 28 01:54 |
| oiaohm | There are objects out there that basically refect everything. | Mar 28 01:55 |
| Read Reed. | Mar 28 01:55 | |
| oiaohm | Its not unlimited as Reed claims. | Mar 28 01:55 |
| I have you and I have Reed. Reed wins. | Mar 28 01:55 | |
| oiaohm | Reed leaves out causes of interfince. | Mar 28 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Real world its confusing as hell. | Mar 28 01:56 |
| no it's not. | Mar 28 01:56 | |
| oiaohm | Like someone turns on a cb radio | Mar 28 01:56 |
| oiaohm | And a wireless network drops out. | Mar 28 01:56 |
| :) | Mar 28 01:56 | |
| oiaohm | Just because it was in the right place. | Mar 28 01:56 |
| oiaohm | His idea purely depends on the fact that transmitters signal will stay on the same freq. | Mar 28 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Real world radio noise is crossing freqs. | Mar 28 01:57 |
| oiaohm | a radio freq is just a particular wave osslocation speed. | Mar 28 01:58 |
| oiaohm | In the same media. | Mar 28 01:58 |
| oiaohm | That is why a pond is such a good example of it twitter | Mar 28 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Right kinds of echos freqs change. | Mar 28 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Radio freqs are the artificial constuct twitter | Mar 28 02:00 |
| shestowitz, is that voter fraud video for real? | Mar 28 02:04 | |
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| schestowitz | Enough videos for me :-() http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Mar 28 02:11 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, it's real. | Mar 28 02:11 |
| Got a link to another news source? The audio does not seem to match the video for me. | Mar 28 02:14 | |
| I believe the charges, I'm not sure about this video. | Mar 28 02:14 | |
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| oiaohm | twitter remember light is in the same pond as radio. Reson why light works is transmitters and recievers are setup highly directional. | Mar 28 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Staged? | Mar 28 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Or cooked? | Mar 28 02:16 |
| cooked, like they put a different audio on top of the video. | Mar 28 02:16 | |
| The allegations are real enough. I'm just not sure anyone would get them in front of the US Congress like that. | Mar 28 02:17 | |
| schestowitz | Yeah.. | Mar 28 02:22 |
| schestowitz | gn | Mar 28 02:22 |
| tessier | Optical links are just another form of radiation. | Mar 28 02:23 |
| tessier | The spectrum is HUGE. | Mar 28 02:23 |
| oiaohm | The spectrum is huge yes. | Mar 28 02:23 |
| oiaohm | But not to nuke the spectrum direction of signal is kinda critical. | Mar 28 02:23 |
| tessier | Bandwidth, range, power, noise. Pick three. | Mar 28 02:23 |
| oiaohm | That is basically the problem. | Mar 28 02:24 |
| oiaohm | You missied on. | Mar 28 02:25 |
| oiaohm | one. | Mar 28 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Lack of directinally creates noise that interferes with Bandwidth and range. | Mar 28 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Adding more power to transmission makes echos worse. | Mar 28 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Using low power gives you bugger all range. | Mar 28 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Everything is interlinked. | Mar 28 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Reed leaving noise out his maths leaves out a critical real world problom. | Mar 28 02:27 |
| oiaohm | problem. | Mar 28 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Reason why I said it looks good on paper until you take it into the real world and find the writer has missed something kinda critical. | Mar 28 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Lower bandwidth is more resistance to noise. | Mar 28 02:29 |
| oiaohm | Higher bandwidth more noise is a problem. | Mar 28 02:29 |
| oiaohm | Can you see the missing factor in reeds paper now tessier | Mar 28 02:30 |
| tessier | Pick three is just fine by me. | Mar 28 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Your three you cannot pick three. | Mar 28 02:31 |
| oiaohm | range is linked to power and bandwidth. | Mar 28 02:32 |
| oiaohm | bandwith is linked to noise and power. | Mar 28 02:32 |
| oiaohm | power is linked to noise bandwith and range. | Mar 28 02:33 |
| oiaohm | They are all linked to each other. | Mar 28 02:33 |
| This is getting repetitive oiahom. | Mar 28 02:34 | |
| oiaohm | twitter the pond. Everything in the specutrim is linked. | Mar 28 02:34 |
| oiaohm | Its not a unlimited thing. | Mar 28 02:35 |
| oiaohm | Yes it has a huge limit but it is not unlimited. | Mar 28 02:36 |
| oiaohm | Radios are basicaly just filters on something we don't fully understand. Closest item we have that we can see and touch that acts about the same is the surface of water. | Mar 28 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Reed added some very key presumes that are not backed up by real world expermentations. | Mar 28 02:43 |
| oiaohm | One of the most common presumes in radio is that radio travels in straight lines. Radio signals can be bent just like a water wave going threw an obstical.. Base level of the electromagic spec things get a lot more complex. | Mar 28 02:45 |
| oiaohm | twitter I have played with radios for a very long time. | Mar 28 02:48 |
| oiaohm | Reed docs completely left out a transmitter interfering with itself at reciever due to relection. | Mar 28 02:50 |
| oiaohm | You can have two radios inside 20 metters of each other and unable to talk. | Mar 28 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Even that they are on the same freq. | Mar 28 02:50 |
| oiaohm | The pure fun of invistaging radio black spots. | Mar 28 02:51 |
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| zer0c00l | network outrage yesterday | Mar 28 03:31 |
| zer0c00l | :( | Mar 28 03:31 |
| zer0c00l | thought of posting comment in BN | Mar 28 03:32 |
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| amarsh04 | PetroKraus, our local orchestra did a Pink Floyd tribute and released a double cd: http://www.aso.com.au/season0... | Mar 28 03:59 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: last night network outrage | Mar 28 04:06 |
| zer0c00l | cant post the comments | Mar 28 04:06 |
| zer0c00l | the whole network is now utilizing backup 1 Mbps connection | Mar 28 04:07 |
| zer0c00l | :( | Mar 28 04:07 |
| zer0c00l | too slow and lot of delay | Mar 28 04:07 |
| oiaohm | Ok someone did not think threw there plan b. | Mar 28 04:24 |
| zer0c00l | damn msp morrons are fighting back | Mar 28 04:35 |
| zer0c00l | http://gracelyne.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/h... | Mar 28 04:35 |
| zer0c00l | BN is not even loading :( | Mar 28 04:44 |
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| *tessier is BORED | Mar 28 05:41 | |
| tessier | I hate it when I can't sleep but I'm tired | Mar 28 05:41 |
| tessier | More recently, Riches has attempted to intervene as a plaintiff in the Madoff investment scandal, claiming that he "met Bernard Madoff on eharmony.com in 2001" and taught Madoff identity theft skills.[19] | Mar 28 05:47 |
| tessier | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... | Mar 28 05:47 |
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| tessier | hahaha | Mar 28 05:47 |
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| zer0c00l | the girl now talks about software patents :D lol | Mar 28 06:02 |
| zer0c00l | http://gracelyne.wordpress.... | Mar 28 06:03 |
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| zer0c00l | BN down? | Mar 28 06:56 |
| zer0c00l | any performance issues there? | Mar 28 06:56 |
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| Omar87 | So, guys what do you think of the latest hype about Red Hat's story with patents? | Mar 28 07:07 |
| oiaohm | Redhat patents are nothing new. | Mar 28 07:08 |
| oiaohm | Just some closed source guys are getting worried redhat might use them against them. | Mar 28 07:09 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm: Yeah. | Mar 28 07:09 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm: But, is it a good thing in your opinion? | Mar 28 07:09 |
| oiaohm | Closed source guys threaten open source guys with patents all the time. | Mar 28 07:09 |
| oiaohm | In one way its a good thing. | Mar 28 07:10 |
| oiaohm | Teach them the patent system is not just to there advantage. | Mar 28 07:10 |
| oiaohm | Might get more closed source companies anti-patent. | Mar 28 07:10 |
| Omar87 | That's right. | Mar 28 07:10 |
| oiaohm | Redhat has a formal agreements saying they will not use patents against open source. | Mar 28 07:11 |
| Omar87 | Patents do have some good things to offer after all. ;) | Mar 28 07:11 |
| oiaohm | Really not. | Mar 28 07:11 |
| oiaohm | Patents can be used to enforce a openstandard. | Mar 28 07:12 |
| Omar87 | Wouldn't it be great to use M$'s weapom against them? | Mar 28 07:12 |
| oiaohm | Abused Patents are far more risky. | Mar 28 07:12 |
| Omar87 | weapon* | Mar 28 07:12 |
| oiaohm | Remember a weapon is a weapon. | Mar 28 07:12 |
| Omar87 | yes | Mar 28 07:12 |
| oiaohm | It can always land on the wrong target. | Mar 28 07:12 |
| Omar87 | for sure. | Mar 28 07:13 |
| oiaohm | IBM aquiring SUN. Could be a really bad thing. | Mar 28 07:13 |
| Omar87 | But, this doesn't mean that its evil, just because it's being used by evil people. | Mar 28 07:13 |
| oiaohm | The patent the final company will hold basically can shut the computer computer industry down. | Mar 28 07:13 |
| oiaohm | With the legal skill to know how to use them. | Mar 28 07:14 |
| Omar87 | I personally can't imagine SUN being any other thing that itself. | Mar 28 07:14 |
| oiaohm | SUN holds lots of the key techs used in motherboards. | Mar 28 07:14 |
| Omar87 | than* | Mar 28 07:15 |
| oiaohm | IBM held enough techs to build a Motherboard that works without SUN patents. | Mar 28 07:15 |
| oiaohm | Both merged you are stuffed. | Mar 28 07:16 |
| oiaohm | Closed source worrying about redhat is a laugh. | Mar 28 07:16 |
| oiaohm | there are bigger more possiabley killing things to worry about. | Mar 28 07:17 |
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| balzac | another great night at the strip club | Mar 28 08:15 |
| balzac | and I'll have another night there tomorrow!! | Mar 28 08:15 |
| balzac | feelin on their booties... | Mar 28 08:16 |
| PetoKraus | :) | Mar 28 08:22 |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Mar 28 08:22 |
| PetoKraus | i'm gonna spend the night supporting Holland | Mar 28 08:22 |
| PetoKraus | in Holland v Scotland match | Mar 28 08:22 |
| PetoKraus | (i'm in Glasgow) | Mar 28 08:22 |
| PetoKraus | if i don't come here tomorrow, neds ate me. | Mar 28 08:22 |
| balzac | cool | Mar 28 08:25 |
| balzac | I scored tonight in a different way | Mar 28 08:26 |
| balzac | I tossed a crumpled dollar and it landed right above this stripper's ass | Mar 28 08:26 |
| balzac | that's a goal in a strip club | Mar 28 08:26 |
| balzac | when she's on her hands and knees, booty in the air, to land a crumpled bill in the small of her back | Mar 28 08:27 |
| balzac | it's not anything sexist, it's just how some people make a bit of sport out of the transactions | Mar 28 08:28 |
| balzac | girls throw crumpled bills to each other as well | Mar 28 08:29 |
| balzac | as a sign of appreciation | Mar 28 08:29 |
| balzac | first time my friend threw a crumpled bill on a girl, I thought it was a diss and she'd be offended, but it's not considered disrespectful if you have the social status in the establishment to pull it off | Mar 28 08:30 |
| balzac | now would be a good time for someone to say "you're the man now dog". | Mar 28 08:33 |
| PetoKraus | :P | Mar 28 08:33 |
| PetoKraus | it's not gonna happen | Mar 28 08:33 |
| balzac | Well, it was two chicks acting out some lesbian fantasy | Mar 28 08:33 |
| balzac | sucking each others nipples | Mar 28 08:34 |
| balzac | one girl even kissing the other's cooch | Mar 28 08:34 |
| balzac | And my dollar landed right on top of that | Mar 28 08:34 |
| PetoKraus | bah | Mar 28 08:34 |
| balzac | so it was a pretty great acheivement | Mar 28 08:34 |
| PetoKraus | it should've been at least a fiver | Mar 28 08:34 |
| balzac | true | Mar 28 08:34 |
| balzac | but then it got better | Mar 28 08:34 |
| balzac | one girl started humping and bumping this other girl | Mar 28 08:35 |
| balzac | I mean really thumping her booty | Mar 28 08:35 |
| balzac | so I slipped a ten into her top | Mar 28 08:35 |
| PetoKraus | you know | Mar 28 08:35 |
| PetoKraus | this makes a nice breakfast reading :D | Mar 28 08:35 |
| balzac | I had to ask this hot ukranian girl to get off my lap so I could properly reward the behavior I saw | Mar 28 08:36 |
| balzac | sorry | Mar 28 08:36 |
| PetoKraus | np | Mar 28 08:36 |
| PetoKraus | i'm laughing | Mar 28 08:36 |
| balzac | it was dry humping, just for theatric effect, but it was quite nice | Mar 28 08:36 |
| balzac | It's like DnD | Mar 28 08:37 |
| balzac | you can gain or lose hit points | Mar 28 08:37 |
| balzac | well, my last couple of trips to the strip club, I've made big gains in pimp points | Mar 28 08:37 |
| PetoKraus | right | Mar 28 08:37 |
| balzac | last time, a double lap-dance by to tall black girls with man-crushing thighs | Mar 28 08:37 |
| PetoKraus | now you can say "wherez my bichez" | Mar 28 08:37 |
| balzac | one on each knee | Mar 28 08:37 |
| balzac | arms resting on their booties, sippin my beer | Mar 28 08:38 |
| balzac | till some jealous chav came up and farted like a terrorist | Mar 28 08:38 |
| PetoKraus | :D | Mar 28 08:38 |
| PetoKraus | you know | Mar 28 08:38 |
| PetoKraus | the difference between chavs and neds is | Mar 28 08:38 |
| PetoKraus | chavs are funny | Mar 28 08:38 |
| balzac | i'm using the word "chav" loosely here because I'm in NYC | Mar 28 08:38 |
| PetoKraus | neds are sad | Mar 28 08:38 |
| balzac | I mean a chump, because I'm the pale guy | Mar 28 08:39 |
| balzac | who dresses like a chav | Mar 28 08:39 |
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| balzac | i'll have to look up "ned" | Mar 28 08:39 |
| balzac | i work hard for the money i spend on these girls | Mar 28 08:40 |
| balzac | it's not like many guys have a right to be jealous of me | Mar 28 08:41 |
| oiaohm | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php... Ok SCO has a case this time. | Mar 28 08:45 |
| balzac | oiaohm: good topic to bring up | Mar 28 08:47 |
| balzac | I said before that when SCO was ordered to pay Novell, it was just Microsoft transferring cash from one proxy to another | Mar 28 08:47 |
| balzac | M$ was just recycling their money which is allocated in their anti-GNU/Linux war-chest | Mar 28 08:48 |
| oiaohm | Look at what novell tried to claim in costs balzac | Mar 28 08:48 |
| balzac | yeah | Mar 28 08:48 |
| oiaohm | Lot of things you should never dare claim. | Mar 28 08:48 |
| balzac | how much? | Mar 28 08:48 |
| oiaohm | 50 000 | Mar 28 08:48 |
| oiaohm | Not much in costs but claiming video syncing. | Mar 28 08:49 |
| oiaohm | Come on if you cannot record stuff right it is your fault. | Mar 28 08:49 |
| balzac | yeah, reminds me of a bad ISP who charges for spam filtration for each email account separately | Mar 28 08:50 |
| oiaohm | Ie 50 000 is the disputred ammount. | Mar 28 08:50 |
| oiaohm | So the bill is a lot larger than that. | Mar 28 08:50 |
| balzac | 10 dollars a month per email account, 5 dollars more for spam protection for each account | Mar 28 08:50 |
| balzac | on top of monthly fees for bandwidth | Mar 28 08:51 |
| balzac | that was how badly this ISP was leeching on a charity for pediatric cancer | Mar 28 08:51 |
| balzac | And the guy from this ISP had the nerve to give me attitude when I disputed the amount they claimed the charity owed them. | Mar 28 08:52 |
| balzac | I should have gone to his office in person | Mar 28 08:52 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Mar 28 08:53 |
| balzac | she really had that word stuck in her mouth | Mar 28 08:54 |
| oiaohm | Yep she is not going to live that down any time soon. | Mar 28 08:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/wat... | Mar 28 08:55 |
| oiaohm | News must be slow schestowitz | Mar 28 08:58 |
| balzac | heheh | Mar 28 08:58 |
| balzac | Roy deserves a break | Mar 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz | Many more like it.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZgusJB... | Mar 28 08:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I'm just doing something else now | Mar 28 08:59 |
| balzac | it doesn't all have to be about Novell and Microsoft's dirty deeds 24/7 | Mar 28 08:59 |
| oiaohm | Anyone else noticed the numbers of computer mags that have disappeared from print. | Mar 28 09:00 |
| balzac | not me because I basically never buy computer magazines | Mar 28 09:02 |
| balzac | maybe I ought to pick a good one to subscribe to | Mar 28 09:02 |
| schestowitz | FAUX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAc... | Mar 28 09:02 |
| balzac | if there were a GNU-centric magazine, I might subscribe | Mar 28 09:02 |
| oiaohm | At the rate they are disappearing by the time you get around to it they might not be any balzac | Mar 28 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Most are going to online format only. | Mar 28 09:02 |
| balzac | man, J-lo should have sent someone to deliver a beat-down to that guy from Fox | Mar 28 09:04 |
| balzac | shep | Mar 28 09:04 |
| balzac | Maybe I'll go and pimp-slap him if that particular fox-studio is in NY | Mar 28 09:04 |
| balzac | I confronted a guy in a bar for talking trash about Paris Hilton | Mar 28 09:05 |
| balzac | he said she was scum in a loud voice | Mar 28 09:05 |
| balzac | I called him a douche bag from across the bar | Mar 28 09:05 |
| balzac | he came up, 6'5", over 200lbs, all huffy | Mar 28 09:06 |
| balzac | I barely even acknowledged him because I wasn't worried about such a country-club cu | Mar 28 09:07 |
| balzac | chump | Mar 28 09:07 |
| balzac | the girl behind the bar sent him out and I stayed after the bar closed | Mar 28 09:07 |
| balzac | yeaaahhhhh. | Mar 28 09:07 |
| balzac | Roy, I hope you leave my best bar and strip-club stories in the IRC logs you publlish | Mar 28 09:13 |
| balzac | some of these deserve to be immortalized on a regal site like BN | Mar 28 09:13 |
| schestowitz | You're trying to drive up the 'ratings' | Mar 28 09:17 |
| balzac | with the celebrity mentions? | Mar 28 09:17 |
| balzac | well, you guys chose to be directly confrontational with Novell and MS | Mar 28 09:18 |
| balzac | that drew the ire of their trolls | Mar 28 09:18 |
| balzac | it's a great news resource for those who are waiting for baited breath for bad news for MS | Mar 28 09:19 |
| schestowitz | balzac: no, not their trolls | Mar 28 09:20 |
| schestowitz | Most readers (vast majority) are just proponents of Linux | Mar 28 09:20 |
| balzac | I'm one of those who eagerly awaits the demise of MS' monopoly | Mar 28 09:20 |
| schestowitz | Some read it for the Microsoft coverage | Mar 28 09:20 |
| schestowitz | Not trolling | Mar 28 09:20 |
| balzac | well, I read it for the fact that it's the most directly confrontational and active | Mar 28 09:20 |
| schestowitz | We cover story that the Wintel press won't cover... or aspects of the stories it conveniently ignores | Mar 28 09:20 |
| balzac | yeah, and stories which people who prefer to focus exclusively on positive or feel-good content choose to ignore | Mar 28 09:21 |
| schestowitz | People get tired from the "Why Linux is better than Windows" posts | Mar 28 09:21 |
| balzac | it's old-fashioned, muck-raking journalism | Mar 28 09:21 |
| balzac | like Greg Palast or Michael Moore, except for about software | Mar 28 09:21 |
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| balzac | Linus Torvalds and even Mark Shuttleworth set a bad example by advising against confrontational rhetoric and disagreement within the community. | Mar 28 09:23 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I was thinking more like ouTube | Mar 28 09:23 |
| schestowitz | One issue is people like Red Hat's (new) CEO | Mar 28 09:24 |
| balzac | him too | Mar 28 09:24 |
| schestowitz | His remarks are being spun and turned against Linux | Mar 28 09:24 |
| schestowitz | Imagine Ballmer saying such things. | Mar 28 09:24 |
| schestowitz | He too had his words interpreted as Vista sucks | Mar 28 09:24 |
| balzac | yep, he's like Bill Clinton, more eager to be friends with those whom he is expected to oppose | Mar 28 09:24 |
| schestowitz | What was said though is that desktop profitability is over | Mar 28 09:24 |
| balzac | more friendly with the opposition than the base | Mar 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | For Windows too | Mar 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | It's not practicability of desktop Linux | Mar 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | It's a question of business sense | Mar 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | You wouldn't try to sell torrent clients | Mar 28 09:25 |
| balzac | pretty soon Obama better act like he's hangin some brain, or else he'll be like another Clinton | Mar 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | People get these for free | Mar 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | The honeymoon for those who sell overpriced softwarae is over | Mar 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Desktop included | Mar 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Apple sells computers | Mar 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | OS X is an addon more or less | Mar 28 09:25 |
| balzac | Ballmer talks trash and has less than zero respect for people like us | Mar 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | IBM sells servers | Mar 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Linux is complimantary | Mar 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Same with Intel | Mar 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | And likewise H-P | Mar 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | That's why Microsoft is dying | Mar 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | It sells hardly sany h/w | Mar 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | It LICENCES an archaic OS | Mar 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | So it relies only on lockin (sometimes habitual) | Mar 28 09:26 |
| balzac | and meanwhile, Whitehurst acts like a total wimp | Mar 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Acts? | Mar 28 09:27 |
| balzac | well, he's not really a wimp | Mar 28 09:27 |
| balzac | he's just cuddly with Ballmer | Mar 28 09:27 |
| balzac | a guy like Whitehurst will show he's not a wimp if confronted by those whom he is supposed to be commercially-aligned with | Mar 28 09:27 |
| balzac | he'd be a tough guy to you or me, but a wimp to a microsoft exec | Mar 28 09:28 |
| balzac | ok, I'm getting carried away again | Mar 28 09:28 |
| balzac | I'm so accustomed to talking trash about important people, it comes too easily now | Mar 28 09:29 |
| balzac | but he ought to clam up whenever he wants to say GNU/Linux isn't good enough | Mar 28 09:29 |
| balzac | it makes me wonder if he's running OSX or Windows instead of Fedora at home | Mar 28 09:30 |
| balzac | or maybe he doesn't even bother to have a computer at home | Mar 28 09:30 |
| balzac | Maybe he's one of those guys who only has a computer in his office | Mar 28 09:30 |
| schestowitz | No, he has one at home | Mar 28 09:31 |
| schestowitz | He offered Roblimo that he'd install Feodra for him | Mar 28 09:31 |
| schestowitz | Cause he ran Ubuntu | Mar 28 09:31 |
| balzac | well, apparently he's no software conniseur | Mar 28 09:32 |
| balzac | or else he wouldn't be saying windows is better for home users | Mar 28 09:32 |
| balzac | and he's not concerned with privacy or autonomy for home users | Mar 28 09:32 |
| balzac | i guess he thinks of computer users in the way corporatists think of people - as "consumers" | Mar 28 09:33 |
| balzac | who cares if they're getting shaken down by the Microsoft protection racket of anti-virus software? | Mar 28 09:33 |
| balzac | Just so long as RedHat's shareholders get their expected quarterly results and Redhat maintains its position in the servers. | Mar 28 09:34 |
| balzac | nevermind freedom... | Mar 28 09:34 |
| balzac | and it's funny how Linus shaved that one guy from AU | Mar 28 09:35 |
| balzac | it's the squares against the freaks | Mar 28 09:35 |
| balzac | Whitehurst is a square, so is Linus | Mar 28 09:35 |
| balzac | Linus would probably shave RMS' beard if he got the chance | Mar 28 09:35 |
| schestowitz | It would be a good idea | Mar 28 09:36 |
| schestowitz | Though RMS would not be recognisable without it | Mar 28 09:36 |
| balzac | no way | Mar 28 09:36 |
| schestowitz | It becomes a symbol | Mar 28 09:36 |
| balzac | you can't shave the gnu-father's beard off | Mar 28 09:36 |
| schestowitz | It would be foolish for him to change the appearance now | Mar 28 09:36 |
| balzac | he trimmed it, and that's fine | Mar 28 09:36 |
| schestowitz | There would be old RMS and new RMS | Mar 28 09:36 |
| schestowitz | Yes, he did | Mar 28 09:36 |
| balzac | my dad is an old hippy | Mar 28 09:37 |
| balzac | he gets his hair trimmed, but he'll always have long hair and a beard | Mar 28 09:37 |
| schestowitz | So he's not a fan of the invasion fo Iraw, then. | Mar 28 09:37 |
| balzac | it's a symbol of not being beholden to any establishment | Mar 28 09:37 |
| balzac | hell no | Mar 28 09:38 |
| balzac | Well, if a man who has African ancestry can become president of the USA, there's no reason a long-haired "freak" can't take over the software scene and humble old Bill Gates. | Mar 28 09:39 |
| balzac | down-size his ego... | Mar 28 09:39 |
| balzac | and all the nay-sayers who say he needs to make himself more presentable by shaving - these people will tell him to wear pancake make-up when he goes on TV | Mar 28 09:40 |
| balzac | I gave Markos Moulitsas a ration of sh_t for wearing pancake make-up for a TV appearance. | Mar 28 09:40 |
| balzac | what kind of self-respecting blogger who is "crashing the gates" puts on pancake make-up like a geisha to go on TV? | Mar 28 09:41 |
| balzac | Did Genghis Khan wear eye-liner? Did Attila the Hun wear a corset? | Mar 28 09:41 |
| balzac | I like Keith Olbermann, but he ought to ditch the pancake make-up and insist on having different lighting if he wants to look good. | Mar 28 09:42 |
| balzac | i've already decided, if I'm going on TV, I'll insist on having no kleig lights that will make me look like a corpse, but I sure as hell will never wear pan-cake makeup no matter what | Mar 28 09:43 |
| balzac | Just some flat, neutral light that doesn't make a bald head shiny | Mar 28 09:43 |
| balzac | that's good enough | Mar 28 09:43 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Mar 28 09:50 |
| schestowitz | Got a video of that iTV nterview ? | Mar 28 09:50 |
| schestowitz | *TV interview | Mar 28 09:50 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch... | Mar 28 09:51 |
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| trmanco | wine hit the digg FP :D | Mar 28 10:09 |
| oiaohm | There is no such thing as 100 percent bad advertisment. | Mar 28 10:25 |
| PetoKraus | i successfully managed to troll everyone at work by wearing white trousers :D | Mar 28 10:45 |
| trmanco | hun? | Mar 28 10:45 |
| trmanco | just got FF 3.0.8 :D | Mar 28 10:51 |
| trmanco | http://www.google.com/intl/en/earthhour/2009/ | Mar 28 10:52 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: where did you get white pants? | Mar 28 10:58 |
| PetoKraus | :D home | Mar 28 10:59 |
| PetoKraus | made from flax or how do you call it | Mar 28 11:00 |
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| schestowitz | Just done some Windows posts | Mar 28 11:09 |
| schestowitz | I think it's your fault, PetoKraus | Mar 28 11:09 |
| schestowitz | I did some "eye on Microsoft" posts and you asked for more | Mar 28 11:09 |
| PetoKraus | :D | Mar 28 11:10 |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Mar 28 11:10 |
| PetoKraus | well to disappoint you | Mar 28 11:10 |
| PetoKraus | i didn't read BN in ages :/ | Mar 28 11:10 |
| PetoKraus | i simply didn't have time | Mar 28 11:10 |
| PetoKraus | i had this 11k word long project on my neck. | Mar 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know. | Mar 28 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Other people read it though. There's thirst for the lesser covered story that the media omits | Mar 28 11:14 |
| PetoKraus | it's not that I don't care anymore | Mar 28 11:15 |
| PetoKraus | i think my opinion on this matter is formulated clearly enough | Mar 28 11:15 |
| schestowitz | 2004: Sun and Linux, Sun and IBM < http://peteryared.blogspot.com/2004/04/... > | Mar 28 11:22 |
| PetoKraus | interesting. | Mar 28 11:26 |
| PetoKraus | hmm | Mar 28 11:52 |
| PetoKraus | could you help me find the article on /. about the AC power without wires? | Mar 28 11:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't read that site | Mar 28 11:56 |
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| PetoKraus | i know | Mar 28 11:57 |
| PetoKraus | it was just a long shot | Mar 28 11:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Mar 28 12:08 |
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| zer0c00l_ | hey | Mar 28 12:17 |
| zer0c00l_ | i posted a comment in BN | Mar 28 12:18 |
| zer0c00l_ | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/i... | Mar 28 12:18 |
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| zer0c00l | Network outrage last night | Mar 28 12:21 |
| zer0c00l | :( | Mar 28 12:22 |
| zer0c00l | more comments http://gracelyne.wordpress.com/2009... | Mar 28 12:25 |
| zer0c00l | aaahh i am tired answering morons :-( | Mar 28 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes, you feed the indoctrinated | Mar 28 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft acts like some political movement there, bribing people for consent | Mar 28 12:34 |
| zer0c00l | did you see the last comment by Mr.RaSh :P | Mar 28 12:38 |
| zer0c00l | he is the one who gets more from M$ i guess | Mar 28 12:38 |
| zer0c00l | he writes more :P | Mar 28 12:39 |
| Omar87 | Hey guys. Check this load of crap out: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.c... | Mar 28 12:43 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 28 12:43 |
| Omar87 | load of "bull crap", to be more accurate. | Mar 28 12:43 |
| Omar87 | What do you think | Mar 28 12:44 |
| Omar87 | ? | Mar 28 12:44 |
| zer0c00l | reading | Mar 28 12:44 |
| zer0c00l | Jack Wallen | Mar 28 12:45 |
| Omar87 | Yeah, Jack Wallen seems to have totally lost the remaining bits of his mind. | Mar 28 12:45 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: Microsoft pays bloggers in India | Mar 28 12:53 |
| schestowitz | To write favourably about Microsoft | Mar 28 12:53 |
| schestowitz | I'll give you the link (it's AstroTurfing) | Mar 28 12:53 |
| zer0c00l | yeah, probably RasH might have got some CaSh :P | Mar 28 12:54 |
| schestowitz | http://thoughtsprevail.blogspot.com/2007/0... | Mar 28 12:56 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: So what do you think of this? | Mar 28 12:58 |
| zer0c00l | Microsoft bribes student,faculties , bloggers, politicians | Mar 28 13:01 |
| zer0c00l | :( | Mar 28 13:01 |
| trmanco | http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/... | Mar 28 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Wallen was maybe semi-joking | Mar 28 13:03 |
| schestowitz | He dislikes Microsoft | Mar 28 13:03 |
| zer0c00l | trmanco: thats cool | Mar 28 13:04 |
| trmanco | zer0c00l, indeed | Mar 28 13:04 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi guys | Mar 28 13:05 |
| trmanco | hello _Hicham_ | Mar 28 13:05 |
| _Hicham_ | how r u doing trmanco? | Mar 28 13:09 |
| trmanco | I'm fine | Mar 28 13:09 |
| *trmanco lunch time | Mar 28 13:09 | |
| _Hicham_ | where are u living? | Mar 28 13:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah, but if he's semi-joking, what's the point in wasting his time in writing an entire meaningless article? | Mar 28 13:14 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/... | Mar 28 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: that's exactly what *I* though. I didn't read it carefully though | Mar 28 13:18 |
| _Hicham_ | India did a great anti novell sit in last year | Mar 28 13:19 |
| _Hicham_ | people were arrested | Mar 28 13:19 |
| zer0c00l | _Hicham_:yes, i read it happened in kerala | Mar 28 13:22 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: not arrested | Mar 28 13:24 |
| schestowitz | That's the lie some anti-BN people spread | Mar 28 13:24 |
| schestowitz | They were just asked to leave and then removed forcibly (at least one person) | Mar 28 13:25 |
| schestowitz | The trolls lied to make it seem like a crime | Mar 28 13:25 |
| schestowitz | It was a peaceful protest with leaflets | Mar 28 13:25 |
| _Hicham_ | but there was a police intervention | Mar 28 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I think it's more like civil servants | Mar 28 13:54 |
| zer0c00l | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/i... the post is getting heat | Mar 28 14:05 |
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| zer0c00l | who is Dan O brian? | Mar 28 14:08 |
| zer0c00l | watch tail http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03... | Mar 28 14:18 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 28 14:18 |
| schestowitz | It's a Novell apologist | Mar 28 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft too | Mar 28 14:25 |
| schestowitz | De Icaza wannabe | Mar 28 14:25 |
| trmanco | : | Mar 28 14:25 |
| oiaohm | I just posted a comment on that one. | Mar 28 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Simple point open source world is design open standard so users don't need either flash or silverlight. | Mar 28 14:31 |
| zer0c00l | oiaohm: html5? | Mar 28 14:34 |
| zer0c00l | oiaohm : can you enlighten me in this regard? | Mar 28 14:35 |
| trmanco | <_Hicham_> where are u living? - Portugal | Mar 28 14:35 |
| trmanco | ah crap, he isn't here | Mar 28 14:35 |
| oiaohm | html5 includes video play back. | Mar 28 14:36 |
| zer0c00l | video tag? | Mar 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | And control from streams. | Mar 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | yep. | Mar 28 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Does it really include <video> eventually? | Mar 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | SVG intergration into html is currently being done. | Mar 28 14:36 |
| schestowitz | I've not been following the fallout from Apple/Nokia lobby | Mar 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes it does schestowitz. | Mar 28 14:36 |
| schestowitz | SVG is already good in Firefox | Mar 28 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Not in IE, IIRC | Mar 28 14:37 |
| trmanco | they refuse to support it | Mar 28 14:37 |
| zer0c00l | SVG means? | Mar 28 14:37 |
| oiaohm | SVG tags inside a html file schestowitz | Mar 28 14:37 |
| trmanco | scalable vector graphics | Mar 28 14:37 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: google for demos | Mar 28 14:37 |
| zer0c00l | yes | Mar 28 14:37 |
| zer0c00l | :-) | Mar 28 14:37 |
| trmanco | wikipedia uses lots of svg's | Mar 28 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Like pages with SVG. It can achieve nice things | Mar 28 14:37 |
| schestowitz | SVG is not new | Mar 28 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tried to substitute it with its own 'standard' that it controls | Mar 28 14:38 |
| oiaohm | SVG in what you see is different files. | Mar 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz | It never got ISO prooval, BUT... | Mar 28 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Like being able to use a SVG gradenit inside a table box. | Mar 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz | The OOXML corruption led to it being inserted as part of OOXML | Mar 28 14:38 |
| trmanco | what is it called | Mar 28 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Ie html and svg as 1. | Mar 28 14:38 |
| oiaohm | That adds a nice new twist to what you can do with a website. | Mar 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz | VML | Mar 28 14:38 |
| trmanco | ew | Mar 28 14:39 |
| schestowitz | http://connect.microsoft.com/IE/fee... | Mar 28 14:39 |
| schestowitz | They can't accept standards | Mar 28 14:39 |
| schestowitz | It make them puke | Mar 28 14:39 |
| schestowitz | gates is strongly opposed | Mar 28 14:39 |
| schestowitz | it's the crooks at the top of the company who do this | Mar 28 14:39 |
| schestowitz | The programmers don't care much | Mar 28 14:39 |
| schestowitz | They get a fixed wage | Mar 28 14:39 |
| schestowitz | So they would rather comply with standards | Mar 28 14:39 |
| MinceR | there are programmers at m$? :> | Mar 28 14:39 |
| schestowitz | The greedy bastards at the top won't let them | Mar 28 14:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes,, naive ones from college | Mar 28 14:40 |
| MinceR | j0 | Mar 28 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Like Novell's Friedman | Mar 28 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Miguel wanted to work there too | Mar 28 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Now they work for Microsoft from Waltham | Mar 28 14:40 |
| MinceR | oh, inexperienced ones without any scruples :> | Mar 28 14:40 |
| oiaohm | VML does not have svg shading ablitys. | Mar 28 14:40 |
| schestowitz | The paycheck comes from Novell, but Novell is paid by Microsoft, so... | Mar 28 14:40 |
| schestowitz | They develop MSMoonlight | Mar 28 14:41 |
| schestowitz | And other 'Windows' toys | Mar 28 14:41 |
| schestowitz | it's funny when you see the Mono camp meeting Microsoft shills/employees in blogs | Mar 28 14:44 |
| oiaohm | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps... << quite a few codec formats are supported in html5 schestowitz | Mar 28 14:44 |
| zer0c00l | SVG samples they are cool :D http://croczilla.com/svg/samples/ | Mar 28 14:44 |
| schestowitz | They think alike, defend each, other, and so on. Like Dan O'Brian and group..... it's almost like they love Microsoft and you can't help wondering if they use Linux at all. | Mar 28 14:45 |
| schestowitz | No image: http://croczilla.com/svg/samples... | Mar 28 14:46 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Googl... <<I always like this picture | Mar 28 14:48 |
| zer0c00l | I am playing: :D http://croczilla.com/svg/samples/sv... | Mar 28 14:49 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: caption: the rack the wrecked Microsoft | Mar 28 14:50 |
| MinceR | nice | Mar 28 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Its one of the first true linux clusters. | Mar 28 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Right down the the idea o well I don't care if a bit fails. | Mar 28 14:53 |
| oiaohm | They are cheep so I will just replace. | Mar 28 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: is that so? Nothing from IBM yet? When did Oracle hop on? 1999? | Mar 28 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Google's first logo was designed with the GIMP, I think. It sure looked like it anyway. | Mar 28 14:59 |
| schestowitz | But wasn't the GIMP conceived a long time after Google was born? (a few years) | Mar 28 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Google had some other name -- BackRub. | Mar 28 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Logo of a masseuse... photo rather | Mar 28 15:00 |
| schestowitz | BackRub =old name for PageRank concept | Mar 28 15:00 |
| _Hicham_ | GIMP is a little bit old | Mar 28 15:00 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz there were other uni level clusters. I should have been more correct first commerical usage on the internet of a cluster. | Mar 28 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Before that most were single unit things. | Mar 28 15:01 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: some people can't help promoting Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/i... | Mar 28 15:02 |
| schestowitz | New talking point: Microsoft support Ogg, so use Silverlight | Mar 28 15:02 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 28 15:02 |
| zer0c00l | Dan No brian | Mar 28 15:02 |
| schestowitz | It's iike saying, go to India to have curry. | Mar 28 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Why use Ogg? | Mar 28 15:03 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 28 15:03 |
| schestowitz | use Silverlight | Mar 28 15:03 |
| zer0c00l | lol | Mar 28 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Put ogg in there. | Mar 28 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Encapsulate it all in binaries | Mar 28 15:03 |
| _Hicham_ | great joke | Mar 28 15:05 |
| oiaohm | http://www.khronos.org/openkode/ << read this and you know what khronos is upto with 3d support in webbrowsers | Mar 28 15:19 |
