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| schestowitz | http://www.just-international.org/ar... "As the shock of the global credit crunch subsides, the next phase inevitably kicks-in: steeply rising unemployment and growing domestic political pressure for a return to protectionism. As the global economic hangover hits home, the world's nations, like a bunch of recalcitrant teenagers, sink into their morose, self-centred protectionist sulks. " | Apr 02 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | ToreadorVampire: that's the power of vendor lockin | Apr 02 17:35 |
| ToreadorVampire | In fact - it wasn't until I switched job roles/employers that I started getting involved in free software - mainly because I could use free software as a drop-in replacement without impacting others around me | Apr 02 17:36 |
| ToreadorVampire | schestowitz> Well - I can't feel like Microsoft had a hand in that - we as a school chose what was best for us - we did that without any word from Microsoft - and that was having solved all of the "vendor problems" - we had solutions for opening/working with MS Word docs and such (that the students would have created at home and brought into the school) ... | Apr 02 17:37 |
| ToreadorVampire | ... but a large-scale change like that was just not possible, and we found it very hard to form a strong argument for creating an experimental suite of Linux machines for a gradual change | Apr 02 17:38 |
| ToreadorVampire | Since we were only a high school, and the level of IT we were teaching did not require the need for knowledge of non-MS systems - so it was impossible to convince the upper management that they should sign on the dotted line for that | Apr 02 17:39 |
| ToreadorVampire | But yeah ... maybe that will be revisited someday ... especially with WinVista/Win7 around | Apr 02 17:41 |
| ToreadorVampire | And maybe that school will eventually switch | Apr 02 17:41 |
| ToreadorVampire | It's not just the teachers that need retraining - the IT support staff too | Apr 02 17:41 |
| ToreadorVampire | At the college where I used to work after that (where I first started playing with free software) the IT techs knew nothing about *nix | Apr 02 17:41 |
| ToreadorVampire | The dba was the only guy that knew anything about it | Apr 02 17:42 |
| schestowitz | yes, the UK is well behind in that regard | Apr 02 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Compared to Brazil or Germany | Apr 02 17:44 |
| *schestowitz catches up with IRC | Apr 02 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | Got distracted by: BBC Trust Says Licence Fee For Online TV Is Unclear http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419-... | Apr 02 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Funny how TV licensing keeps bother people without a TV set. Guilty until cleared... | Apr 02 17:45 |
| schestowitz | There's no next life ;-) < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/... > Second chance at Life | Apr 02 17:47 |
| ToreadorVampire | Yeah - that would be very difficult to police - especially since no special equipment required to watch video on PC | Apr 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | This one is strange.. Harvard P2P lawyer: file-swapping is fair use—no, really! < http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/ne... > | Apr 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | ToreadorVampire: online TV is not taxable | Apr 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | A lot of it is peer-produced | Apr 02 17:49 |
| ToreadorVampire | Oh yes, but I refer to things like BBC iPlayer etc | Apr 02 17:49 |
| schestowitz | The idea of taxing CDs for MAFIAA, taxing TV for the Beeb and others makes you wonder if the public will also start funding newspapers and brainwash | Apr 02 17:49 |
| schestowitz | iPlayer was a saga of corruption involving Microsoft, so I won't touch it | Apr 02 17:50 |
| schestowitz | I hope YouTube and such services defeat it | Apr 02 17:50 |
| schestowitz | iPlayer is not read-write, not peer-produced content | Apr 02 17:50 |
| schestowitz | It's content that's imposed from above, i.e. back to read-onlu | Apr 02 17:50 |
| ToreadorVampire | Well, erm, yeah ... but we won't see that going away for a LONG time I don't think - perhaps not even in our lifetimes | Apr 02 17:51 |
| ToreadorVampire | If media companies couldn't monetise the creation of big-budget productions then they would stop making them | Apr 02 17:52 |
| ToreadorVampire | And they monetise them by selling them to big broadcasters like TV networks and record companies and such ... | Apr 02 17:53 |
| ToreadorVampire | Unless someone can come up with a business model where big-budget productions can be broadcast without need for television networks (and still justify their cost to produce) then that kind of stuff won't go away | Apr 02 17:55 |
| ToreadorVampire | We're up against change again of course - change of technology hitting business models | Apr 02 17:55 |
| ToreadorVampire | Today, the act of ripping a DVD video to hard disk and sharing it over the Internet is pretty much cost-free | Apr 02 17:56 |
| ToreadorVampire | So the price tags on legitimate channels of purchasing media are an artificial way of justifying the cost of making those productions .. | Apr 02 17:57 |
| ToreadorVampire | ... but nobody has come up with a non-artificial way of doing it yet | Apr 02 17:57 |
| ToreadorVampire | Some day we are going to hit a point where "information is free", all information - including music/video/everything - because the technology demands it - and things like DRM just plain don't work | Apr 02 17:58 |
| ToreadorVampire | But oh well ... | Apr 02 17:58 |
| ToreadorVampire | I'm interested to see where it goes - but I can't really campaign for/against things, because I can't suggest a viable alternative/solution to the problem | Apr 02 17:59 |
| schestowitz | It's conceivable that big media will go | Apr 02 17:59 |
| schestowitz | In our lifetime | Apr 02 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Digital media and the net killed many things | Apr 02 17:59 |
| schestowitz | For the better | Apr 02 17:59 |
| ToreadorVampire | schestowitz> Mmm, I doubt it - the trends are in the opposite direction at the moment | Apr 02 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Like some paper publications | Apr 02 17:59 |
| ToreadorVampire | Movies are going bigger-budget | Apr 02 17:59 |
| ToreadorVampire | Paper publications, yeah - they were doomed | Apr 02 18:00 |
| ToreadorVampire | But for all of the Ryan vs Dorkman videos that appear, people are going to crave better | Apr 02 18:00 |
| schestowitz | ToreadorVampire: what is this trend? | Apr 02 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see. | Apr 02 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Well, bigger budget? | Apr 02 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Are you sure? | Apr 02 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Some people still go to cinemas to escape reality | Apr 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | But the media companies get poorer | Apr 02 18:01 |
| ToreadorVampire | schestowitz> Oh, it feels like it - I mean, I don't have numbers to back that up - but it feels that way | Apr 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | People turn to other video too. | Apr 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | The numbers for 2009 won't back you, I think | Apr 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | In fact, MAFIAA fired many employees | Apr 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | 20% I think | Apr 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Both branches: MPAA and RIAA | Apr 02 18:01 |
| ToreadorVampire | Heh, the numbers for ANY company in 2009 won't back anyone :) | Apr 02 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Digital media dies too BTW | Apr 02 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Like online papers | Apr 02 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Some new ones emerge | Apr 02 18:02 |
| schestowitz | ToreadorVampire: yes, all is down, but people are stil left with time in their hands | Apr 02 18:02 |
| ToreadorVampire | And - people like actors do have skills that they should be paid to share, and better actors should be paid more ... so - mmm - I do think that "big media" will survive - just not in its current form | Apr 02 18:02 |
| ToreadorVampire | I think that what will change is that "things that are free in real terms" will eventually have to become free in their price | Apr 02 18:04 |
| ToreadorVampire | Because as long as media companies charge money for things that could have been produced/replicated freely, the system will fail to work ... | Apr 02 18:04 |
| ToreadorVampire | And as much as they try to use DRM or lock-in or litigation to prevent that, "the population" will take the path of least resistance | Apr 02 18:05 |
| ToreadorVampire | It's what people have always done | Apr 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Peer Producing Human Rights < http://irevolution.wordpress.com/20... > | Apr 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Second Life Lives Behind a Firewall < https://blogs.secondlife.com/community... > | Apr 02 18:07 |
| schestowitz | The OSI blog links to us quite extensively. That's flattering. | Apr 02 18:12 |
| schestowitz | I've only just noticed | Apr 02 18:12 |
| ToreadorVampire | Right | Apr 02 18:18 |
| ToreadorVampire | Enough of this | Apr 02 18:18 |
| ToreadorVampire | Best get some work done :) | Apr 02 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Look how funding (in general) took a dive: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/... | Apr 02 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Bad time for small companies. | Apr 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Apr 02 18:25 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: you around? | Apr 02 20:28 |
| Balrog | IMPORTANT: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.p... | Apr 02 20:28 |
| Balrog | "Microsoft Open Sources ASP.NET MVC" under the MS-PL | Apr 02 20:29 |
| Balrog | anyone? | Apr 02 20:30 |
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| [myself] | y | Apr 02 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: just PR | Apr 02 20:37 |
| schestowitz | GPL enemy... ms-pl is a Trojan horse. | Apr 02 20:37 |
| Balrog | ms-pl is gpl-incompatible, but not the worst license I've seen | Apr 02 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It's not about the icense | Apr 02 20:39 |
| schestowitz | it's about them trying to confuse people | Apr 02 20:40 |
| Balrog | true. | Apr 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Cue Miguel to shout "go go Microsoft" in Tirania after ignoring the TomTom thing altogether | Apr 02 20:40 |
| Balrog | you can't use it with GPL, and the redistribution provisions mess it up | Apr 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | To screw GNU/Linux pools | Apr 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it 2 weeks ago | Apr 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | brb | Apr 02 20:40 |
| Balrog | yes. GNU/Linux can't use it. | Apr 02 20:41 |
| Balrog | (well it can, but not with GPL or BSD licensed code) | Apr 02 20:41 |
| Balrog | which defeats the purpose | Apr 02 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | That's the idea. | Apr 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | IDG gets its knickers twisted: "Continuing, recently I was irked by the following article: Multicore chips pose next big challenge for industry. My response to the IDG News Service writer, Do ya think? May I suggest a better headline Multicore chips pose the biggest most monumental and grandest challenge ever to the entire industry." http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7278/ | Apr 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I'll do a post tomorrow about Microsoft pseudopen-souuce. I actually have 3 separate new exhibits, yours being one | Apr 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | I spoke too soon. MS de Icaza has already done MS PR: http://tirania.org/blog/archiv... | Apr 02 21:05 |
| Balrog | I see. | Apr 02 21:12 |
| schestowitz | see coments in http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php... | Apr 02 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Good comments | Apr 02 21:17 |
| Balrog | so what's your final rating on that RMS talk? | Apr 02 21:19 |
| schestowitz | It was underwhelming | Apr 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz | I've seen better ones, also in real life | Apr 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz | And he was crabby that day | Apr 02 21:22 |
| Balrog | I see. | Apr 02 21:24 |
| Balrog | it's going up anyway. | Apr 02 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Good, so I can link to it ultimately | Apr 02 21:25 |
| Balrog | yes. | Apr 02 21:26 |
| Balrog | don't link right now; I need to find a fast server :) | Apr 02 21:26 |
| Balrog | and get the filtered / higher-quality version up | Apr 02 21:27 |
| schestowitz | The shills of Microsoft are pressing on the European Commission. Did they bribe them with that "innovation day"? ... to buy new laws? http://blog.actonline.org/2009/03/le... | Apr 02 21:27 |
| Balrog | (filtered meaning with video filters to improve deinterlacing quality) | Apr 02 21:27 |
| schestowitz | What a sickening think lobbying is. | Apr 02 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: use CDN | Apr 02 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Submit to /. | Apr 02 21:27 |
| Balrog | the school wants to host it. | Apr 02 21:27 |
| schestowitz | 1.5gbx10k | Apr 02 21:27 |
| Balrog | I just have to find a fast server here | Apr 02 21:27 |
| Balrog | what CDN? | Apr 02 21:27 |
| schestowitz | like Akamai | Apr 02 21:28 |
| schestowitz | or CORAL | Apr 02 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Think of mirrors | Apr 02 21:28 |
| Balrog | we don't have $$$ | Apr 02 21:28 |
| Balrog | I know | Apr 02 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Sure you do | Apr 02 21:28 |
| Balrog | lack of funds doesn't provide many options | Apr 02 21:28 |
| Balrog | no, the other departments get it | Apr 02 21:28 |
| schestowitz | CMU is Ivy League | Apr 02 21:28 |
| Balrog | there are TWO computer departments here | Apr 02 21:28 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, for science | Apr 02 21:28 |
| Balrog | I'm not CMU | Apr 02 21:28 |
| schestowitz | I met some people from there in Viginia | Apr 02 21:29 |
| schestowitz | OK | Apr 02 21:29 |
| Balrog | host <my-ip> to find out | Apr 02 21:29 |
| Balrog | I'm not hiding it | Apr 02 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Apr 02 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Futile are the attempts to stay hidden these days. | Apr 02 21:30 |
| Balrog | CMU gives away the software based on silverlight for video streaming | Apr 02 21:30 |
| Balrog | yes. | Apr 02 21:30 |
| Balrog | I don't try | Apr 02 21:30 |
| Balrog | I could use TOR if I wanted to | Apr 02 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to find the ogg-hosting site | Apr 02 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall its name | Apr 02 21:32 |
| Balrog | if you link it, there probably will be a lot of traffic | Apr 02 21:32 |
| Balrog | oh, it's OK to redistribute non-commercially without modifications once I have the final up | Apr 02 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.oggfrog.com/music... | Apr 02 21:33 |
| Balrog | the one you have right now is a preview that's not properly encoded. | Apr 02 21:33 |
| schestowitz | How about torrents? | Apr 02 21:33 |
| Balrog | stream first | Apr 02 21:33 |
| Balrog | as I said, it's ok to redist once the final is out | Apr 02 21:33 |
| Balrog | actually not non-commercial | Apr 02 21:34 |
| Balrog | just CC Attribution No Derivatives | Apr 02 21:34 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: missing links @ http://www.digitalmajority.org/foru... | Apr 02 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/0... "During the workshop it was Charles Schulz of Ars Aperta who articulated this frustration among SMEs as RAND referring to “RANDom licensing at the sight of competitors.” In his presentation, Schulz also pointed out that (F)RAND terms are discriminating against free software. Even RAND terms linked to zer | Apr 02 21:41 |
| schestowitz | o royalties, the so-called RF-on-RAND (”Royalty Free on RAND”), RAND-RF (”RAND Royalty Free”) or RAND-Z (”RAND with Zero royalties”) can exhibit the same problems if they do not permit sublicensing, for instance. | Apr 02 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Free software (aka Open Source, FOSS or FLOSS) is a software model defined by a high level of user control over the software in combination with far-reaching freedoms to inspect the source code, to study and innovate upon the software. In particular, it is based on the principle that every living person and every legal entity can be a user, developer, distributor, or any combination of the above. Only conditions which permit this t | Apr 02 21:41 |
| schestowitz | o take place are acceptable to free software..." | Apr 02 21:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbc... "The application “was filed in error and will be withdrawn,” said IBM spokesman Steve Malkiewicz." Sounds like they are lying. Applications don't just file themselves. They got caught | Apr 02 21:50 |
| schestowitz | "Leaders of the world’s largest economies struck a closed-door deal late Tuesday to create an international court for intellectual property litigation in a move sources said they deemed a best effort to turn back global economic demise." http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/04/... Globalisation of anti-Free software laws | Apr 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait. It is a joke. | Apr 02 21:53 |
| schestowitz | "The court is seen by WIPO as an extension of its work with the treaties, and the agreement comes at a critical time for WIPO, which has not completed negotiations on a new treaty in years. “This fits with a growth strategy during the downturn,” said WIPO’s Charle Latan. “Litigation.”" | Apr 02 21:53 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: did you see this? | Apr 02 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's a joke, "Prof. Dr. Dr. jur. Wilhelm Neu is also among the contenders, as is the Eastern jurist Dun Kan Buc Nel." | Apr 02 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.garyreback.com/book.html "Free the Market! provides a riveting, inside look at the ways big companies have gradually recovered their market-dominating powers – damaging consumer welfare, entrenching industry incumbents, and making life miserable for entrepreneurs in the process." | Apr 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Slashdot is fiddling with injurious speculation: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slash... They also feed anti-Linux IDG junk :-| | Apr 02 22:08 |
| benJIman | You'd never find injurious speculation on boycott novell. | Apr 02 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | More April Foolishness < http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/35533 > | Apr 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz | TomTom Buys Microsoft < http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2009/04/0... > | Apr 02 22:23 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N... EVO is almost into the console market | Apr 02 22:26 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem MS has there soon will not be a market that they are in that Linux does not have at least some market share. | Apr 02 22:26 |
| oiaohm | http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/... Interesting. | Apr 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes, a little weird | Apr 02 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Its the Linux foundation branching out. | Apr 02 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Have you been watching the list of features not included in the Linux kernel I guess not. | Apr 02 22:31 |
| oiaohm | They are rapidly heading to zero. | Apr 02 22:31 |
| oiaohm | So all that is left outside the main line are features with secuirty problems. | Apr 02 22:32 |
| oiaohm | Basically what does the Linux foundation do with itself when the kernel is basically complete. | Apr 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | They have linux.com with proposals | Apr 02 22:33 |
| schestowitz | There's always something worth rewriting | Apr 02 22:33 |
| oiaohm | Linux.com was one of there first major branch outs. | Apr 02 22:33 |
| oiaohm | sourceforge is also doing the same with the take over of freshmeat.net | Apr 02 22:34 |
| oiaohm | I think the time of the great Linux merge is on us. | Apr 02 22:34 |
| MinceR | resistance is futile? | Apr 02 22:34 |
| MinceR | who's going to merge with whom? | Apr 02 22:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember the Linux Foundation has full power to control who uses the Linux trademark. | Apr 02 22:35 |
| MinceR | i didn't know that | Apr 02 22:35 |
| MinceR | has Linus sold it to them or something? | Apr 02 22:35 |
| schestowitz | It's true | Apr 02 22:35 |
| schestowitz | All the "Linux" sites use trademarks | Apr 02 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Linus is part of the Linux foundation. | Apr 02 22:36 |
| oiaohm | He is full time employeed by them. | Apr 02 22:36 |
| MinceR | what if they fire him? | Apr 02 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Troll headline: Is Linux Bad for the Economy? < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com... > | Apr 02 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Like Mandriva fires Gael | Apr 02 22:37 |
| oiaohm | The Linux foundation was created to pay Linus MinceR | Apr 02 22:37 |
| MinceR | but once it owns the trademark, it can be hijacked | Apr 02 22:38 |
| MinceR | can't it? | Apr 02 22:38 |
| oiaohm | Linux.com was not in a place to prevent Linux foundation take over. | Apr 02 22:38 |
| oiaohm | Under current day domain internet domain laws if you hold the trademark you can push people off the domian if they don't hold the trademark. | Apr 02 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Bill Beebe, like Beranger, lied. | Apr 02 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Neither left GNU/Linux. http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2... | Apr 02 22:41 |
| oiaohm | They did. | Apr 02 22:41 |
| oiaohm | They did not find Windows a happy home for some reason. | Apr 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Well, duh. | Apr 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Neighbour's lawn often seems greener from afar | Apr 02 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Exacly the same old human error. | Apr 02 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Just like the reverse of thinking you lawn is the best without correctly comparing. | Apr 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Something breaks, so you assume the solution is to move | Apr 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Like... your Red Hat server is down for 10 minutes, so the only solution you can think of is moving to Windows hosting | Apr 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Then you play ping-pong and realise that nothing is flawless. | Apr 02 22:44 |
| oiaohm | http://moblin.org/projects/fast-boot << One of moblin key projects. | Apr 02 22:44 |
| oiaohm | 5 second boot times. | Apr 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Fedora 11 beta bares chest to all-comers < http://www.theregister.co.uk... >. F11 is tempting | Apr 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not good enough | Apr 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | ARM is more energy efficient | Apr 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Can run all day AND cheaper | Apr 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | No x86 | Apr 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Linux-only.. | Apr 02 22:45 |
| oiaohm | 5 second boot time is for all cpu types. | Apr 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Google Rumored To Be Breaking Up With Firefox < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2... > | Apr 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: ah, Okay | Apr 02 22:46 |
| oiaohm | So no more devices taking 10 days to start up. | Apr 02 22:46 |
| oiaohm | Ok that is kinda over scaled. | Apr 02 22:46 |
| MinceR | well, duh, they're pushing chrome now | Apr 02 22:46 |
| oiaohm | http://www.youtube.com/wa... << Now remove bios from question. | Apr 02 22:47 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 02 22:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: of course, that was pretty predictable. | Apr 02 22:48 |
| PeterKraus | schestowitz: date of publish - 1st of april | Apr 02 22:49 |
| oiaohm | http://moblin.org/projects/appl... Other key thing they are working on closing down the advantage BSD has with jails. | Apr 02 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Taking over moblin to prevent neglect has lots of valid reasons for the long term of Linux. | Apr 02 22:52 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: probably bound to happen though | Apr 02 22:52 |
| MinceR | bsd lost that advantage ages ago. | Apr 02 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Raptor mode for Lancelot < http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/... > | Apr 02 22:56 |
| oiaohm | trusted platform module support is going into 2.6.30 | Apr 02 22:58 |
| oiaohm | Now that is going to be nasty users could get locked out of altering some linux systems by it. | Apr 02 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Oh oh.. | Apr 02 23:01 |
| schestowitz | IBM's idea, right? | Apr 02 23:01 |
| schestowitz | TPM.. | Apr 02 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Apr 02 23:01 |
| schestowitz | F* IBM | Apr 02 23:01 |
| schestowitz | They try to turn Linux into an OS/2 they wanted... | Apr 02 23:01 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: got link about this? | Apr 02 23:01 |
| oiaohm | But it means out of major secuirty stuff to merge there is only 2 bits left. | Apr 02 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I never heard about it merged into Linux, but seen something around 2007 in Linux Electrons about intent | Apr 02 23:02 |
| oiaohm | http://beta.linuxfoundation.o... << Linux Weather forcast. | Apr 02 23:02 |
| oiaohm | The two items that are missing from 2.6.30 is Apparmor(No real loss there) and Real time virus scanning support | Apr 02 23:03 |
| oiaohm | After that Linux security framework will be basically complete. | Apr 02 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Low-level support for object storage devices << I guess you don't understand what this means as well. | Apr 02 23:04 |
| schestowitz | This guy complains endlessly about Linux... I don't get it.... also a BN critic... http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2009/0... | Apr 02 23:05 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks. | Apr 02 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Any artticle covering the TPM bit? | Apr 02 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Are they doing a 'submarine' development? | Apr 02 23:05 |
| oiaohm | There is a link off that page to the one and only artical talking about it, | Apr 02 23:06 |
| schestowitz | As in, develop secretly and add it before people have a chance to protest the dev/merge? | Apr 02 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Other than that you have to dig through mailing lists. | Apr 02 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes very much submarine development. | Apr 02 23:06 |
| oiaohm | As with most IBM patches to the Linux kernel. | Apr 02 23:06 |
| schestowitz | This? -> "Support for integrity management in the kernel has been merged. This code makes use of the trusted platform module (TPM) built into many systems to ensure that the system's files (including its executable software) have not been corrupted, maliciously or otherwise." | Apr 02 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Yep that is TPM. | Apr 02 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Not the otherwise | Apr 02 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Integrity management in the kernel < http://lwn.net/Articles/227937/ > | Apr 02 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Note the otherwise | Apr 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like confusion | Apr 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Let me see... | Apr 02 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Yep. Only artical on it. | Apr 02 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | Hi folks | Apr 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Hi, _Hicham_ | Apr 02 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : are u still upset? | Apr 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | "Kernel lockdown.. ... and so, in spite of the protestations of kernel developers, GPLv3 becomes more and more attractive ... " | Apr 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I was never upset | Apr 02 23:08 |
| _Hicham_ | how r u doing oiaohm? | Apr 02 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Just couldn't respond quickly because I was processing links (news) at the time | Apr 02 23:09 |
| oiaohm | Find _Hicham_ | Apr 02 23:09 |
| _Hicham_ | u didn't come yesterday | Apr 02 23:09 |
| _Hicham_ | were u busy? | Apr 02 23:09 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't get the other thing on the linux weather forcast and its long term effects Low-level support for object storage devices | Apr 02 23:10 |
| oiaohm | I was busy _Hicham_ | Apr 02 23:10 |
| oiaohm | I was on yesterday just at night my time. | Apr 02 23:10 |
| oiaohm | Low-level support for object storage devices allows storage devices to have inbuild access controls. Since each object is basically a file. | Apr 02 23:11 |
| _Hicham_ | so it is oiwhm = ok i wasn't over here man | Apr 02 23:11 |
| Balrog_ | hello again | Apr 02 23:11 |
| _Hicham_ | hello Balrog_ | Apr 02 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Adds new meaning to password protected/drm protected files. | Apr 02 23:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically Linux is slowly become the most secure OS kernel on earth. Problem that level of secuirty can be used for good or evil. | Apr 02 23:13 |
| Balrog_ | does anyone know of a good VPS with at least 1TB of storage that is reasonably priced? | Apr 02 23:13 |
| oiaohm | 1TB is a lot. | Apr 02 23:16 |
| Balrog_ | yes ... maybe 100GB would do | Apr 02 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | Could Linus have known something about DRM when rejecting GPLv3? | Apr 02 23:20 |
| Balrog_ | explain.... | Apr 02 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Yes he did schestowitz | Apr 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | I mean, look how he said that he "*likes* vivoization" (and I quote) | Apr 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: how do you know? | Apr 02 23:20 |
| oiaohm | It was one of the main reasons for the rejection in the Linux kernel mailing list. | Apr 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Linux is getting Tivo-like functionality built in, AFAICT | Apr 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Change binary, won't run | Apr 02 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Add in object based storage devices. | Apr 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | That's simply a case of Linux mainline taking away the freedom using the loophole devicsed by TiVo | Apr 02 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Removing storage device still might give you narda. | Apr 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | *devised | Apr 02 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Problem is there are devices where TiVo style secuirty is needed. | Apr 02 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Like you don't want people tampering with electronic voting systems. | Apr 02 23:23 |
| oiaohm | As I said there is good and bad to it. | Apr 02 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Good for very particular uses. You really do want to be able to inspect the source code of a electronic voting machine to make sure it is not stuffed up. | Apr 02 23:24 |
| oiaohm | You also don't want people tampering with it. | Apr 02 23:24 |
| oiaohm | If you look around you can find other valid uses of the tech. | Apr 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8316 " | Apr 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | As the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) turns 60 and some ask why the Cold War alliance still exists, NATO is launching new media and public relations efforts. The NewsMarket, an online source of b-roll and video news release footage, is providing NATO-produced videos to journalists." | Apr 02 23:25 |
| oiaohm | Problem is I would bet almost all the money I have that it will be abused to harm users. | Apr 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | It can restrict copying | Apr 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Like proper DRM | Apr 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Put in the wrong hands | Apr 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8315 "The proposed legislation to have the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulate tobacco is "window-dressing masquerading as legislation," according to Alan Blum, M.D., director of the University of Alabama Center for the Study of Tobacco and Society." | Apr 02 23:26 |
| oiaohm | Its very much like a gun. | Apr 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | On the shelf. | Apr 02 23:26 |
| oiaohm | A gun can save people from harm but most times it does the exact other direction. | Apr 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Big deal for Red Hat.. http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/... | Apr 02 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Both techs could make the likes of android uncrackable. | Apr 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Hackable? | Apr 02 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Think about it object based storage. | Apr 02 23:28 |
| oiaohm | It can require a codes to access every single file on the disk to alter them. | Apr 02 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Not only locked out from running but locked out from the storage media as well. | Apr 02 23:29 |
| oiaohm | TPM basically could be holding the key to the storage media. | Apr 02 23:30 |
| oiaohm | uncrackable in my sence of data recovery schestowitz | Apr 02 23:30 |
| oiaohm | I don't care about running the item. Just getting the data out of it. | Apr 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I see...... | Apr 02 23:31 |
| oiaohm | Really well built DRM. | Apr 02 23:32 |
| _Hicham_ | that would ease ur job or make it worse? | Apr 02 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Make it worse | Apr 02 23:32 |
| oiaohm | I would most likely have to move to reversing chips. | Apr 02 23:32 |
| oiaohm | And other means of breaking devices open. | Apr 02 23:33 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Apr 02 23:33 |
| _Hicham_ | u would be a real cracker then | Apr 02 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Also make data recovery way more expensive. | Apr 02 23:33 |
| _Hicham_ | and that might be illegal | Apr 02 23:33 |
| oiaohm | What I do is legal here. | Apr 02 23:33 |
| oiaohm | If you own the data I am allowed to go after it. | Apr 02 23:33 |
| _Hicham_ | they could be put in jail for recovering protected data | Apr 02 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Not here. Law is very clear on it. | Apr 02 23:34 |
| _Hicham_ | that would be oiaijm = ok i am in jail man | Apr 02 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Cracking encryption and systems is permited here as long as you have formal approval. | Apr 02 23:34 |
| oiaohm | From the owner of the device you are attacking. | Apr 02 23:35 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Apr 02 23:35 |
| _Hicham_ | that is what i mean | Apr 02 23:35 |
| _Hicham_ | maybe it is google who will attack u | Apr 02 23:35 |
| _Hicham_ | what will u do with google then? | Apr 02 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Now if I recovery items that along the way that own to other parties by the law it bad luck. | Apr 02 23:35 |
| oiaohm | As long is it was not my goal to get at that data. | Apr 02 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | u should be careful | Apr 02 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | so that u stay oiaohm | Apr 02 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | and not oiaijm | Apr 02 23:36 |
| oiaohm | I have done almost everything a IT office could do legally at different times. | Apr 02 23:37 |
| oiaohm | That includes lots of things people think are 100 percent illegal. | Apr 02 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | like breaking into schestowitz computer? | Apr 02 23:38 |
| oiaohm | I would need schestowitz approval for that. | Apr 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | "I would love to hear a little more Linux and Open Source News on the Show." http://www.cnet.com/8301-1145... wishful thinking at CNET | Apr 02 23:38 |
| oiaohm | If I had it doing a secuirty test on his computer would be above board. | Apr 02 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Ie secuirty test=If I can break my way into it. | Apr 02 23:39 |
| oiaohm | There is very little you cannot do legally in it with the right paper work _Hicham_ | Apr 02 23:39 |
| oiaohm | Most annoying one is you cannot legally kill some one ever. | Apr 02 23:40 |
| oiaohm | Ok you can but you have to join the army. | Apr 02 23:40 |
| oiaohm | Or police force or some other approve group. | Apr 02 23:41 |
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| _Hicham_ | but I can kill schestowitz if I want | Apr 02 23:41 |
| _Hicham_ | I have a friend working as Hitman in the UK | Apr 02 23:41 |
| _Hicham_ | but schestowitz is an old friend | Apr 02 23:41 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why I can't kill him | Apr 02 23:42 |
| _Hicham_ | I rather send an army to protect him | Apr 02 23:42 |
| oiaohm | Using hitmen is not legal. | Apr 02 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | I can't kill u too oiaohm | Apr 02 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | why? | Apr 02 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | who will no? | Apr 02 23:43 |
| oiaohm | To intelegance groups. | Apr 02 23:43 |
| oiaohm | Yes the evils of diplomatic protection. | Apr 02 23:44 |
| oiaohm | There is basically very little you cannot do in this world if you have the right appovals. | Apr 02 23:45 |
| oiaohm | getting the approvals to kill me or schestowitz would be extreamlly hard. | Apr 02 23:45 |
| oiaohm | Basically we are not important enough to be worth it. | Apr 02 23:46 |
| _Hicham_ | I can prove it | Apr 02 23:48 |
| _Hicham_ | both of u are very dangerous | Apr 02 23:48 |
| _Hicham_ | very dangerous | Apr 02 23:48 |
| _Hicham_ | :D | Apr 02 23:48 |
| oiaohm | It more ways than you know _Hicham_ | Apr 02 23:48 |
| oiaohm | It/in | Apr 02 23:48 |
| Balrog_ | the thing is that it's very obvious. | Apr 02 23:48 |
| oiaohm | There is advantage to doing data recovery. | Apr 02 23:49 |
| oiaohm | You know lots of important people. | Apr 02 23:49 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why u r dangerous | Apr 02 23:49 |
| _Hicham_ | u know a lot | Apr 02 23:49 |
| oiaohm | Could be more dangerous dead than a live. | Apr 02 23:50 |
| oiaohm | More likely for the information to leak from my backups if I am dead. | Apr 02 23:50 |
| _Hicham_ | that is true | Apr 02 23:51 |
| _Hicham_ | I would take those backups and sell them | Apr 02 23:51 |
| _Hicham_ | that way, I will get a lot of money | Apr 02 23:51 |
| oiaohm | And end up dead. | Apr 02 23:52 |
| _Hicham_ | why? | Apr 02 23:52 |
| _Hicham_ | I will run away | Apr 02 23:52 |
| oiaohm | Because want reason would they not have to kill you for revenge. | Apr 02 23:52 |
| _Hicham_ | I won't sell it there | Apr 02 23:52 |
| oiaohm | Very unlikely that anyone would get approval to kill me the risks out way rewards. | Apr 02 23:53 |
| _Hicham_ | I will sell it for the russians for example | Apr 02 23:53 |
| _Hicham_ | or for China | Apr 02 23:53 |
| oiaohm | I have done data recovery for all kinds of people and countries _Hicham_ | Apr 02 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Wrong place still dead. | Apr 02 23:54 |
| _Hicham_ | I will sell it for aliens then | Apr 02 23:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz is protected the other way he would be missed. Massively missed and bring a lot of questions. | Apr 02 23:55 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: I've already seen some DNS trouble today | Apr 02 23:56 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog_ : is that related to Conficker? | Apr 02 23:56 |
| oiaohm | DNS trouble is to be predicted. | Apr 02 23:57 |
| Balrog_ | I wouldn't be surprised if it is. | Apr 02 23:57 |
| Balrog_ | I have no proof thouh | Apr 02 23:57 |
| Balrog_ | though | Apr 02 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Running heavly level network scanning is not without it costs. | Apr 02 23:57 |
| Balrog_ | just that many web sites don't work anymore from certain DNS | Apr 02 23:57 |
| Balrog_ | is OpenDNS blocking Conficker's scans? | Apr 02 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Lot of networks are still on red alert. | Apr 02 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes opendns are blocking Conficker attempted points. | Apr 02 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Basically the complete internet is still on red alert. | Apr 02 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully fairly soon it will be able to return to status normal. | Apr 02 23:59 |