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MinceRbalzac: whatever gets you off.Apr 04 21:37
balzaconly a fake shrink can check my state of mindApr 04 21:38
balzacMinceR: nope. no getting off involved in this man.Apr 04 21:38
balzacwhy do you sexualize things?Apr 04 21:38
MinceRoh, now i'm the one who sexualizes thingsApr 04 21:38
MinceRdo you even remember what you've written a few hours ago?Apr 04 21:39
balzacthat was about real strippers, not sexual metaphors applied to non-sexual mattersApr 04 21:39
schestowitzhttp://topix.cachefly.net/p... What is the name of this visual effect and how is it achieved in the GIMP?Apr 04 21:39
balzacMinceR: if you find me entertaining, you should send me money via paypalApr 04 21:39
balzacor if you've found my ideas helpful, I could use the moneyApr 04 21:40
MinceRbalzac: i find you annoyingApr 04 21:40
balzacso, no donation?Apr 04 21:40
MinceRbalzac: i find stupidity difficult to tolerate in general.Apr 04 21:40
schestowitzLiverApr 04 21:40
MinceRnope.Apr 04 21:40
schestowitzJust one, c'monApr 04 21:41
schestowitzDonate a liverApr 04 21:41
balzacwell, I'm going to need to focus a bit more on making money, since I won't be getting any donations from you for my timeApr 04 21:41
MinceRbalzac: go to the street and rob some people, we'll wait.Apr 04 21:41
balzacIf the right candidate were walking past and I knew I could get away with it, perhaps I would.Apr 04 21:42
balzacbut I would'nt want to rob anyone who hadn't robbed me, so I would rob a bailed-out investment banker executive.Apr 04 21:43
balzacnon-violently of course.Apr 04 21:43
schestowitzThey prey on ignoranceApr 04 21:46
schestowitzThey /still/ loot, after they had looted and lead to the current, ongoing collapseApr 04 21:46
schestowitz*ledApr 04 21:47
balzacgamblers who win always rely on the ignorance of gamblers who loseApr 04 21:47
balzacgambling is matching wits against others to assess risk and bet against each otherApr 04 21:47
balzacbut it really was terrible that the corporate media facilitated such a huge deception regarding the rules of the gameApr 04 21:48
balzacand the risks involvedApr 04 21:48
schestowitzWait a second... isn't this April Fool's? http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/f...Apr 04 21:48
schestowitzbalzac: they still facilitate itApr 04 21:49
schestowitzThey call it "credit *CRUNCH*". Ha!Apr 04 21:49
schestowitzLike saying "Iraq conflict"Apr 04 21:49
schestowitzOr "Congo misfortunes"Apr 04 21:50
schestowitz"punishment camps"Apr 04 21:50
schestowitz"Bush 'unpopular'"Apr 04 21:50
balzacwell, it's not going to end any time soonApr 04 21:50
schestowitz"Oj blew up..."Apr 04 21:50
schestowitzbalzac: Great Depression took like 15 years to phase outApr 04 21:51
schestowitzThat too was gradual.Apr 04 21:51
schestowitzAnd I don't think debt was as bad at the timeApr 04 21:51
schestowitzEither way power shifted from Europe to the USApr 04 21:51
schestowitzAt least centre of powerApr 04 21:51
DaemonFCthe Great Depression was likewise engineered by the banksApr 04 21:51
schestowitzNow it'll be China most likely.. when the whole thing's overApr 04 21:51
DaemonFCto steal wealth from peopelApr 04 21:51
DaemonFC*peopleApr 04 21:51
DaemonFCThe Federal Reserve Act was law written by the banks and pushed through Congress with death threats and bribesApr 04 21:52
schestowitzWatch the photo of Obama bowing to the Saudi KindApr 04 21:52
schestowitz*KingApr 04 21:52
schestowitzWatch the other guys aroundApr 04 21:52
schestowitzObama might have to bow to them too one day, if not his successor/sApr 04 21:52
DaemonFCschestowitz: Watch ZeitgeistApr 04 21:53
schestowitzI haven'tApr 04 21:53
DaemonFCit explains religion and government pretty well, I thinkApr 04 21:53
schestowitzNot enough Amero, amigoApr 04 21:53
DaemonFCChristianity is a fraud and a tool used by the government to suppress the peopleApr 04 21:53
DaemonFCand has been effectively employed by various regimes since the Roman EmpireApr 04 21:54
schestowitzT-Mobile Germany Banning Skype for iPhone < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1... >Apr 04 21:54
schestowitzThat can be generaised to many faithsApr 04 21:54
schestowitzMost countries embrace a religionApr 04 21:55
schestowitzIt's a crowd-control  ctoolApr 04 21:55
schestowitzPromise heaven, then give s*Apr 04 21:55
DaemonFCChristianity is the religion of choice backed by most corrupt western governmentsApr 04 21:55
schestowitzIt's nothing to with with one faithApr 04 21:55
Balrog_DaemonFC: you call Bush's religion 'Christianity'? I don'tApr 04 21:55
schestowitzGoing thousands of years back, superstition existed too.Apr 04 21:55
DaemonFCI rather like Communism better, at least they just tell you to fall in place or they'll shoot youApr 04 21:55
Balrog_it's a false christianity, that's for sureApr 04 21:56
DaemonFCno bogeymen like God involvedApr 04 21:56
schestowitzBalrog: Bush says he speaks to GodApr 04 21:56
MinceRi think it's widely known as "christianity"Apr 04 21:56
DaemonFCso does my grandmotherApr 04 21:56
schestowitzThis is a man with a code to 'the' buttom.Apr 04 21:56
DaemonFCI think it's the medication talkingApr 04 21:56
DaemonFC:PApr 04 21:56
schestowitz*buttonApr 04 21:56
DaemonFCBush doesn't have that now ;)Apr 04 21:57
DaemonFCand he's not a ChristianApr 04 21:57
DaemonFChe said he was to control the people that believe the shitApr 04 21:58
DaemonFCBush isn't crazy, nor is he stupidApr 04 21:58
MinceRhow is "christianity" defined?Apr 04 21:58
DaemonFChe was put there for a purposeApr 04 21:58
DaemonFCto do the bidding of the Federal ReserveApr 04 21:58
DaemonFCthe real governmentApr 04 21:58
schestowitzOIN: TomTom settlement is no win for Microsoft, expect challenge < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open... >Apr 04 21:59
schestowitzDaemonFC: do you think he fakesApr 04 21:59
Balrog_christianity refers to the group of people who /claim/ to follow the doctrines of Christ.Apr 04 21:59
schestowitzSome people say the Texan accent and mispronunciations are fakeApr 04 21:59
DaemonFCNo, I think he's part of the real Christian agendaApr 04 21:59
schestowitzHe was in Harvard, wasn't he?Apr 04 21:59
DaemonFCChristianity is merely a frontApr 04 22:00
schestowitzBut to sympathise with the people using the 'ranch' character/persona is effectiveApr 04 22:00
DaemonFCChristianity is a mechanism to get you to accept your status as a slaveApr 04 22:00
schestowitzHe also earn popularity when those 'rich snobs' ridicule him for bad EnglishApr 04 22:00
DaemonFC"Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's"Apr 04 22:01
balzacBush used to be able to speak clearlyApr 04 22:01
DaemonFChow much more obvious can it get?Apr 04 22:01
balzacborn in connecticutApr 04 22:01
balzacfake texan with a "dude ranch"Apr 04 22:01
schestowitzHuh?Apr 04 22:01
schestowitzBush?Apr 04 22:01
Balrog_DaemonFC: there are many ways to interpret such wordsApr 04 22:01
schestowitzCT?Apr 04 22:01
balzacyesApr 04 22:01
schestowitzLOL WTFApr 04 22:01
schestowitzNoo-ki-larApr 04 22:02
DaemonFCBalrog_: I interpret Christianity as a group of idiots following a leadership composed of charlatans and fraudsApr 04 22:02
balzaca man from connecticut put on a cowboy hat, executed 162 real Texans as governorApr 04 22:02
Balrog_DaemonFC: you are over-generalizingApr 04 22:02
Balrog_there is no centralized 'Christian' leadershipApr 04 22:03
DaemonFCnoApr 04 22:03
DaemonFCthere's no such thing as a good ChristianApr 04 22:03
DaemonFCthey're either a fraud or a foolApr 04 22:03
Balrog_DaemonFC: you need to read more. Especially historical stuff.Apr 04 22:03
balzacatheist angstivismApr 04 22:04
DaemonFCI want no part in thatApr 04 22:04
Balrog_then keep spouting hate.Apr 04 22:04
Balrog_I don't care.Apr 04 22:04
balzacI'm an atheist, but I don't speak so negatively and with such convictionApr 04 22:04
DaemonFCThey're all assholes, regardless of whether they're in on the ruseApr 04 22:04
DaemonFCor using as an excuse to be bigotsApr 04 22:04
balzacatheist angstivismApr 04 22:04
*balzac issues DaemonFC a citation for angstivismApr 04 22:05
DaemonFCChristians are frauds and/or deluded bigotsApr 04 22:05
DaemonFCnothing elseApr 04 22:05
Balrog_and you are a haterApr 04 22:05
DaemonFCyou're damned right I hate themApr 04 22:05
Balrog_or you talk like oneApr 04 22:05
DaemonFCand I'd shoot all of them to decontaminate the worldApr 04 22:05
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/conten... "I never liked the terms "upload" and "download". I think "inload" and "outload" might be better, just because they don't carry implications of subordination or unequal required effort."Apr 04 22:05
Balrog_DaemonFC: you need to read more, seriouslyApr 04 22:05
DaemonFCWhat? Their propaganda, bullshit, and outright lies?Apr 04 22:06
schestowitzDaemonFC: please calm downApr 04 22:06
DaemonFCI don't believe in them, or their tin godApr 04 22:06
balzacRoy, why not ban him?Apr 04 22:08
Balrog_but if you're going to attack or criticize, make sure you're familiar with it. And you don't want to be.Apr 04 22:08
balzacprotect the reputation of your channelApr 04 22:08
balzacThis isn't #politics or #religious-warsApr 04 22:08
DaemonFCSpeaking of which, I just got one of those chainmails from some idiot about the "liberal agenda"Apr 04 22:08
DaemonFCsigned all of them up for spamApr 04 22:08
DaemonFCB-)Apr 04 22:09
balzacDaemonFC: you should immediately apologize and retract your insane rhetoricApr 04 22:09
MinceRDaemonFC: not all christians proselytize, thoughApr 04 22:09
DaemonFCI have nothing to apologize forApr 04 22:09
schestowitzBad news for Free (libre) phones: OpenMoko Project put on Ice < http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online... >Apr 04 22:09
DaemonFCI would only do so if I did not mean every word I saidApr 04 22:09
MinceRthey only deceive themselves, which (while unfortunate) they should be free to do :)Apr 04 22:09
balzac < DaemonFC> and I'd shoot all of them to decontaminate the worldApr 04 22:09
balzacthat's sick DaemonFCApr 04 22:10
balzachow old are you?Apr 04 22:10
DaemonFCthey're too fucking stupid to live, seriouslyApr 04 22:10
MinceRbalzac: how old are you?Apr 04 22:10
DaemonFCthat's what I meanApr 04 22:10
DaemonFCthey're ignorant, short-sighted, and easily deceivedApr 04 22:10
balzac33 - too old for bullshitApr 04 22:10
MinceRlolApr 04 22:10
MinceRno age is too old for bullshitApr 04 22:10
DaemonFCall of themApr 04 22:10
balzacDaemonFC: you don't think you have anything to apologize for?Apr 04 22:10
Balrog_There are many Christians who feel that stuff is broken, don't like bush or the 'conservatives', etc ..... turn on a shortwave radio and tune around a bit =PApr 04 22:10
balzacI think Roy should've banned you already.Apr 04 22:11
MinceRyes, and he should have banned you too, balzacApr 04 22:11
Balrog_(and criticize the 'churches')Apr 04 22:11
balzacMinceR: you earned a banning earlier by my criteria.Apr 04 22:11
DaemonFCthey're responsible for almost every crime against humanity that has been committedApr 04 22:11
DaemonFCever sincetheir religion was inventedApr 04 22:11
MinceRbalzac: your criteria are irrelevantApr 04 22:11
MinceRbalzac: and so are youApr 04 22:11
schestowitzOK, OK.....Apr 04 22:12
Balrog_not true. Such crimes have been done by people claiming to be christiansApr 04 22:12
schestowitzLet's talk technologyApr 04 22:12
balzachow old are you two, 16?Apr 04 22:12
DaemonFCincluding the HolocaustApr 04 22:12
DaemonFCThe Nazi "Positive Christianity"Apr 04 22:12
MinceRDaemonFC: i'd ascribe those to the churches, not the religionApr 04 22:12
Balrog_I dislike the word 'religion' as wellApr 04 22:12
Balrog_it refers to a group, not personal beliefsApr 04 22:13
schestowitzA lot of descent relatedApr 04 22:13
DaemonFCAll religion is bullshit, and if you want to believe bullshit, more power to you.Apr 04 22:13
DaemonFCbut don't infringe on my human rightsApr 04 22:13
schestowitzReligion can be changedApr 04 22:13
schestowitzRace, skin colour etc cannotApr 04 22:13
schestowitzBut the two are often mixed togetherApr 04 22:13
DaemonFCschestowitz: The Christian factions are segregated according to how hateful and evil that group of people can beApr 04 22:14
DaemonFCbefore they reject their faithApr 04 22:14
DaemonFCbut you can polish a turd all you wantApr 04 22:14
DaemonFCsugar coat it if you willApr 04 22:14
DaemonFCit's a turdApr 04 22:14
MinceRadd sprinklesApr 04 22:14
schestowitz:-)Apr 04 22:14
DaemonFCand chocolate chipsApr 04 22:15
schestowitzJust don't biteApr 04 22:15
schestowitzOnly lickApr 04 22:15
Balrog_DaemonFC: you need to read more. You're not looking at the whole thing, only partsApr 04 22:15
DaemonFCChristians are depraved and sick and mentally defectiveApr 04 22:15
DaemonFCand they may think they are good guysApr 04 22:15
DaemonFCbut they are notApr 04 22:15
DaemonFCB-)Apr 04 22:15
schestowitzOK, enough of this. DaemonFC you're spreading hate here, and i'ts OT anywayApr 04 22:16
schestowitzMorality is to do with humanism, not faithApr 04 22:16
Balrog_yes, I get tired of hate. And then attempting to show you're 'smart' with 8 - )Apr 04 22:16
DaemonFCschestowitz: So what do you feel about Novell buying news headlines?Apr 04 22:17
DaemonFCor did you notice?Apr 04 22:17
DaemonFCThey are paying ZDNet to write advertisements for them in sections that Google News harvestsApr 04 22:18
DaemonFC:)Apr 04 22:18
DaemonFCso you get Novell ads in Google News when you search for Linux related newsApr 04 22:18
schestowitz*LOL* Mike feel for the prank. http://techdirt.com/articles/20090403...Apr 04 22:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: against OOoApr 04 22:19
schestowitzNovell was accused of all that bad PR for OOo. To promote its fork..Apr 04 22:19
schestowitzThey don't 'buy' that per seApr 04 22:19
schestowitzThey have friends in the mediaApr 04 22:19
DaemonFCDebian is pulling Novell's patches against OOo nowApr 04 22:19
DaemonFCif you did not noticeApr 04 22:19
schestowitzMicrosoft have lots more. And they have agents to push theseApr 04 22:19
Balrog_DaemonFC: links?Apr 04 22:19
schestowitzExamples?Apr 04 22:19
DaemonFCDebian Lenny has OOo 2.4Apr 04 22:20
Balrog_I need proof, not hearsayApr 04 22:20
DaemonFCbut uses Novell's OOXML patchesApr 04 22:20
DaemonFCno, cause regular OOo 2.4 does not have OOXML capabilityApr 04 22:20
Balrog_what about Ubuntu's OOo 2.4?Apr 04 22:20
schestowitzDaemonFC: Noell paid IDG for this (putting ads in articles)Apr 04 22:20
schestowitzTexts that gets scanned by Google News that isApr 04 22:20
schestowitzIDG is IDC, which Novell paid some more recently for that 'study'Apr 04 22:21
DaemonFCBalrog_: 3.x can handle OOXML but maims some of the formattingApr 04 22:21
Balrog_I know.....Apr 04 22:21
schestowitzBut he IDG thing is paid ads in ComputerWorldApr 04 22:21
DaemonFCso I'm pretty sure Ubuntu is using mainline OOoApr 04 22:21
Balrog_Ubuntu has 2.4 thoughApr 04 22:21
Balrog_not 3.0Apr 04 22:21
Balrog_(Ibex)Apr 04 22:21
Balrog_err, IntrepidApr 04 22:21
DaemonFCI have 3Apr 04 22:21
schestowitzDaemonFC: Ubuntu uses Go-OOApr 04 22:21
schestowitzIt uses the Sun splash screenApr 04 22:22
schestowitzWhich is weirdApr 04 22:22
Balrog_hmm. Is it using full Go-OO or only certain patches?Apr 04 22:22
DaemonFCmainline OpenOffice is not all that greatApr 04 22:23
DaemonFCGo-OO has a lot of improvementsApr 04 22:23
DaemonFCincluding better startup timeApr 04 22:23
DaemonFCbut yeah, you could jsut cherry pick certain bits of itApr 04 22:23
schestowitzhttp://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/... "Actress Demi Moore's frequent postings on Twitter put her in the middle of a life-and-death drama Friday when a woman sent her an online message threatening suicide."Apr 04 22:25
Balrog_www.cse.umich.edu/ ~jhalderm/pub/talks/aacs-dimacs08.pptx looks interestingApr 04 22:26
schestowitzGeneration of crazies who write online about shooting people or committing suicide before they do it.Apr 04 22:26
Balrog_but it's pptx :XApr 04 22:26
schestowitzAttention whores who try to pass blame to other people onlineApr 04 22:26
schestowitzEwwww...... I never see OOXML files. It's NSFWApr 04 22:26
Balrog_schestowitz: do you have the software to view them?Apr 04 22:27
balzacI try never to use the word "whore" in a negative contextApr 04 22:27
balzacalthough I did the other day, unfortunately...Apr 04 22:27
schestowitzHAHA! Another part of Microsoft has just died.Apr 04 22:28
*oiaohm (n=oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovellApr 04 22:29
Balrog_which one this time?Apr 04 22:29
balzacKRS1 raps "kickin' down the door of that whore, puttin' an end to that gold-chain war" - Jack of SpadesApr 04 22:29
schestowitzhttp://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419...Apr 04 22:29
balzacI found that lyric very disagreeableApr 04 22:29
balzacbut he was young and angry when he wrote that song...Apr 04 22:29
schestowitzMicrosoft might sell Razorfish next.Apr 04 22:30
balzacgood newsApr 04 22:31
schestowitzMicrosoft's 'final' days won't be documented in  Encarta, sadly.Apr 04 22:32
schestowitzMicrosoft will survive, but so had UnisysApr 04 22:32
NeonFlosslolApr 04 22:32
schestowitz*hasApr 04 22:33
schestowitzThe point is, unless things change, Google will soon look down on MicrosoftApr 04 22:33
schestowitzEven Android scares Microsoft because Google can't be sunk. It's too big, like IBM.Apr 04 22:34
DaemonFCMicrosoft won't go under for a long timeApr 04 22:34
DaemonFCthey own many different types of products/services and can use those for income when something else is not doing so wellApr 04 22:35
DaemonFCthey can even subsidize loss leaders for years on end (XBOX)Apr 04 22:35
MinceRand the only thing that keeps those alive is that they could force them on people using their dominance in the desktop os marketApr 04 22:36
MinceRwhich they're losingApr 04 22:36
schestowitzXBox lost $7 billionApr 04 22:36
MinceRthose bastards are going down.Apr 04 22:36
schestowitzDaemonFC: just HAVING a product don't mean successsApr 04 22:37
schestowitzHaving more products can sink youApr 04 22:37
schestowitzThat's why they axed encartaApr 04 22:37
balzac"bastard" - son born of mother out of wedlockApr 04 22:37
DaemonFCno, but they can force Sony and Nintendo to compete at a lossApr 04 22:37
DaemonFCwhere it may not be as sustainable for themApr 04 22:37
MinceRbalzac: shut upApr 04 22:37
balzacI'm the politically-correct monitor...Apr 04 22:37
DaemonFCit's called area denialApr 04 22:37
DaemonFCB-)Apr 04 22:37
balzacMinceR: boundary issues - you can't impose your will on me.Apr 04 22:37
DaemonFCor poisoning the wellApr 04 22:38
balzacI'm the acting amateur psychiatrist and PC-corrector...Apr 04 22:38
balzac"Somebody on the internet is wrong. I can't let it go!"Apr 04 22:39
MinceRbalzac: no, you're the acting troll.Apr 04 22:39
balzacMinceR: Digg.com is that way --->Apr 04 22:39
balzacyou angsty, teenage twerp.Apr 04 22:40
MinceRbalzac: digg is for apple fanboys like youApr 04 22:40
balzacThe last computer from Apple I owned was a mac plusApr 04 22:40
balzacbought in 2000 for nostalgiaApr 04 22:40
balzacI didn't keep it after I moved from boston, but I did play Dark Castle a few times while I had it.Apr 04 22:41
schestowitzThe liars from IDG are at it again. See comments @ http://linuxtoday.com/news_sto...Apr 04 22:41
balzacMinceR: I am not embarrassed to say that Apple makes the best computer chassis and casings for personal electronicsApr 04 22:42
schestowitzVisually?Apr 04 22:43
MinceRbalzac: no apple fanboys are embarrassed to say that, that's makes them fanboys.Apr 04 22:43
schestowitzBest = reliability or looks?Apr 04 22:43
balzacMinceR: dry your eyes. They're still moist, apparently.Apr 04 22:43
MinceRschestowitz: religionApr 04 22:43
schestowitzApple products are like Jessica Simpson. Enough saidApr 04 22:43
MinceRbalzac: they're exactly as moist as they need to beApr 04 22:43
MinceRbalzac: if you're dry, you'll need to see a doctor.Apr 04 22:43
MinceRs/you're/yours are/Apr 04 22:44
Balrog_schestowitz: I only use Mono to run already-compiled binaries that require .NET. Is this OK?Apr 04 22:44
balzacschestowitz: best-engineered, but I like to be able to replace batteries, thus I've never owned an iPhone or iPodApr 04 22:44
Balrog_balzac: I can replace the batteries :PApr 04 22:44
balzacnor any apple computer with OSX, or any system above the OS version of the mac plusApr 04 22:44
MinceRthey're easy to replace in two stepsApr 04 22:44
balzacthat's goodApr 04 22:44
MinceR1) throw out your macApr 04 22:44
MinceR2) buy another macApr 04 22:44
MinceRthere, batteries replaced.Apr 04 22:45
DaemonFCLinux runs on PPC and Intel MacsApr 04 22:45
Balrog_MinceR: did you ever look under the back cover of the 17 inch MacBook Pro? The battery is exposed and easy to removeApr 04 22:45
DaemonFC:PApr 04 22:45
Balrog_DaemonFC: I have it in VM'sApr 04 22:45
schestowitzForced obsolescence, not just plannedApr 04 22:45
Balrog_and I dual boot, if necessaryApr 04 22:45
schestowitzLinux: forced adolescenceApr 04 22:45
MinceRBalrog_: and you keep a portrait of Steve Jobs under your pillowApr 04 22:45
schestowitzWhen boys become men :-)Apr 04 22:45
MinceRi knowApr 04 22:45
Balrog_MinceR: not at all.Apr 04 22:46
Balrog_Steve Jobs wrote about DRM-free music back when most people thought that was crazy.Apr 04 22:46
Balrog_(or many people )Apr 04 22:47
MinceRand OSX still has support for DRM of the executableApr 04 22:47
MinceRs/ble/bles/Apr 04 22:47
MinceRitunes still sells DRM-ed movies and whatnot.Apr 04 22:47
Balrog_did you ever look at Skype's executable?Apr 04 22:47
MinceRi know skype is evilApr 04 22:47
MinceRthat's no excuse for crAppleApr 04 22:47
Balrog_MinceR: changing things while keeping the industry placated isn't an easy task. Gradualism seems to work thoughApr 04 22:48
Balrog_OSX executable encryption is terribly weakApr 04 22:48
Balrog_so is the key :PApr 04 22:48
Balrog_I could put the key here, but then it will be loggedApr 04 22:48
MinceRDRM is terribly weakApr 04 22:48
DaemonFCOS X is easy to use on a standard PCApr 04 22:49
MinceRyet the intent of screwing the customers is readily apparentApr 04 22:49
DaemonFCit's just....why would you want OS X?Apr 04 22:49
MinceRsame with making dtrace refuse to work on itunesApr 04 22:49
Balrog_MinceR: to appease the music industry? that's easy to work around thoughApr 04 22:49
MinceR(even though that modified code was open, so you could easily change it to work)Apr 04 22:49
schestowitzGood analysis from sjvn of the Sun-IBM impact: http://blogs.computerworld.com/good_bye... (Good-bye Solaris? The fate of Sun's top 5 technologies)Apr 04 22:49
DaemonFCOS X is technically obsolete when compared to even FREE UNIX clonesApr 04 22:49
MinceRBalrog_: yes, they lie down for the music industry while screwing the people who buy their productsApr 04 22:50
Balrog_see http://reverse.put.as/Apr 04 22:50
Balrog_MinceR: they're not as close to the music industry as MSApr 04 22:50
MinceRand fanboys enjoy being screwed and they ask for moreApr 04 22:50
DaemonFCThe best stuff about OS X is the parts Apple did not writeApr 04 22:50
MinceRBalrog_: did you see me claim apple was worse than m$?Apr 04 22:50
DaemonFCwhen they get ZFS, that will be even more trueApr 04 22:50
balzacMinceR: sounds like masculine insecurity nowApr 04 22:50
MinceRDaemonFC: and that's the stuff apple is so damn proud ofApr 04 22:50
balzacother people's sexual orientation is not for you to judgeApr 04 22:50
Balrog_they rely on the music industry, but the music industry relies more on themApr 04 22:50
balzacman, it's like shooting fish in a barrelApr 04 22:51
MinceRbalzac: are you so offended in your fanboyism that now you're trying to smear me with that?Apr 04 22:51
balzaci should give em a break...Apr 04 22:51
MinceRbalzac: you're patheticApr 04 22:51
Balrog_this place seems to be full of haters.Apr 04 22:51
MinceRbalzac: go hug your steve jobs portrait alreadyApr 04 22:51
balzactypical IRC sad-sacksApr 04 22:51
Balrog_get a lifeApr 04 22:51
balzacMinceR: I wish Steve Jobs good health and a long lifeApr 04 22:51
MinceRBalrog_: you seem to enjoy being hatedApr 04 22:52
DaemonFCApple's file system alone should scare away any professional from trying to use OS XApr 04 22:52
MinceRbalzac: i know.Apr 04 22:52
DaemonFCespecially as a serverApr 04 22:52
balzachopefully he'll embrace GPLv3-licensed software.Apr 04 22:52
DaemonFCthat's why they're stealing ZFSApr 04 22:52
MinceRbalzac: fat chanceApr 04 22:52
MinceRbalzac: he didn't even embrace GPLv2-licensed swApr 04 22:52
schestowitzFAT?Apr 04 22:52
DaemonFCHFS+Apr 04 22:52
Balrog_Apple's file system has some benefitsApr 04 22:52
balzacMinceR: thanks for informing me of that.Apr 04 22:52
MinceRhe did embrace sw patents thoughApr 04 22:52
DaemonFCis the worst file system in use by any unixApr 04 22:52
balzacBut he has lgpl-licensed webkit in SafariApr 04 22:52
DaemonFCperiodApr 04 22:52
Balrog_did he sue over sw patents yet?Apr 04 22:52
Balrog_DaemonFC: that's your POVApr 04 22:53
MinceRbalzac: well, he couldn't steal a BSDL-ed engineApr 04 22:53
schestowitzbalzac: not trueApr 04 22:53
DaemonFCno, it's trueApr 04 22:53
schestowitzHE TOOK KHTMLApr 04 22:53
schestowitzHe didn't choose GPLApr 04 22:53
DaemonFClook at its technical limitationsApr 04 22:53
schestowitzAnd he needed to be pushed for itApr 04 22:53
DaemonFCHFS+ crappyness speaks for itselfApr 04 22:53
balzacokApr 04 22:53
MinceRhe should have been sued, not pushedApr 04 22:53
DaemonFCbalzac: Or you could use Bonnie++ or IOZone on itApr 04 22:53
schestowitzFSF is too friendlyApr 04 22:53
schestowitzgpl-violations or kdeApr 04 22:54
DaemonFCthat will flush out HFS+'s horrible performanceApr 04 22:54
MinceRdoes the FSF own copyrights on KDE?Apr 04 22:54
balzacDaemonFC: Balrog_, you meantApr 04 22:54
MinceRif not, i doubt they can sue for violations on itApr 04 22:54
DaemonFCerrr, sorryApr 04 22:54
Balrog_Apple will have to deal with GPLv3Apr 04 22:54
MinceRthey'll avoid it as much as they canApr 04 22:54
schestowitzMinceR: the licenceApr 04 22:54
Balrog_they can't.Apr 04 22:54
MinceRremember how much they love sw patentsApr 04 22:55
Balrog_they rely on SambaApr 04 22:55
DaemonFCI've ran IOZone and Bonnie++ on most unix file systems, and at least performance-wise, XFS, Ext4, and ZFS come out on topApr 04 22:55
DaemonFCthe only part that messes up XFS performance is deletion of many small filesApr 04 22:55
DaemonFCsay, under 50kApr 04 22:55
MinceRperformance is not the only thing that mattersApr 04 22:56
schestowitzBalrog: fine, so Apple distributes GPLv3-ed s/wApr 04 22:56
DaemonFCthat can be alleviated with logbuffs=8 and attr2 options on mountApr 04 22:56
Balrog_well, they don't want to distribute GCC ......... (though I don't think LLVM will be ready in time)Apr 04 22:56
DaemonFCtrue, I've decided that Ext4 is probably your best overall bet if you can go with thatApr 04 22:56
MinceRi doubt apple claims any patents on samba anywayApr 04 22:56
MinceRor gccApr 04 22:57
DaemonFCWebkit is under LGPLApr 04 22:57
Balrog_probably not.Apr 04 22:57
DaemonFCGPL 3 will have little or no impact on itApr 04 22:57
Balrog_doesn't LGPL include a patent licensing provision?Apr 04 22:57
DaemonFCunless KDE devs relicense KHTMLApr 04 22:57
MinceReven v2 has a weak provision, iircApr 04 22:58
DaemonFCand why would they if they're getting all this great stuff from Apple?Apr 04 22:58
MinceRthe one m$ got around with "covenant not to sue"Apr 04 22:58
MinceRDaemonFC: what great stuff?Apr 04 22:58
DaemonFCWell, speed, and rendering abilities mainlyApr 04 22:58
MinceRmaking KHTML independent of the toolkit they use or minor patches?Apr 04 22:58
DaemonFCKHTML passing ACID 2 was from backported Webkit patchesApr 04 22:58
DaemonFCfor exampleApr 04 22:58
Balrog_and now acid 3Apr 04 22:58
DaemonFCmmhmApr 04 22:59
Balrog_(though idk if khtml passes it yet)Apr 04 22:59
DaemonFCso they'd cut off much of their development support if they relicense KHTMLApr 04 22:59
schestowitzhttp://www.enterprisestorageforum.com...  :: IBM-Sun Merger Appears NearApr 04 22:59
DaemonFCI think Konqueror will run Webkit eventually anywayApr 04 22:59
MinceRthey'd also lose out of apple decided to patent and sue about some of their patchesApr 04 22:59
DaemonFCthere's already a Kpart to use Webkit, but it's buggyApr 04 23:00
Balrog_DaemonFC: what would they switch to?Apr 04 23:00
DaemonFCthey have talked about switching beforeApr 04 23:00
MinceRiirc qt4 includes webkit already or somethingApr 04 23:00
Balrog_MinceR: can apple do that with the code under the LGPL?Apr 04 23:00
DaemonFCBalrog_: Webkit is much better than KHTMLApr 04 23:00
MinceRBalrog_: i think they canApr 04 23:00
MinceRBalrog_: all they need to do is use LGPLv2 and grant their customers a "covenant not to sue"Apr 04 23:00
MinceRbut no patent licenseApr 04 23:00
MinceRand then sue anybody else who uses webkitApr 04 23:01
MinceRor whoever they chooseApr 04 23:01
MinceRor FUD/threaten them into payingApr 04 23:01
Balrog_"if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Library by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Library."Apr 04 23:01
MinceRthis is why *GPLv3 is importantApr 04 23:01
Balrog_what about indirectly?Apr 04 23:01
MinceRindirectly what?Apr 04 23:02
Balrog_receive copies directly or indirectlyApr 04 23:02
MinceRwhat is that quote from?Apr 04 23:05
Balrog_the LGPL2.1Apr 04 23:05
MinceReven the GPLv2 includes thatApr 04 23:06
Balrog_yeah. :/Apr 04 23:06
Balrog_then how do they circumvent it?Apr 04 23:06
MinceRa naive reading would indicate that the m$/novell trick shouldn't workApr 04 23:06
MinceRso i don't know what's up with thisApr 04 23:07
MinceRbetter ask a lawyer :)Apr 04 23:07
MinceRperhaps it should be possible for a copyright holder of a GPLv2-ed package redistributed with SuSE to sue NovellApr 04 23:08
Balrog_http://www.uwwwb.com/Apr 04 23:09
Balrog_read itApr 04 23:09
schestowitzAnd... yet another Microsoft screwup today: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2446Apr 04 23:11
MinceRwelcome to the Land of the FreeApr 04 23:11
Balrog_hopefully the streisand effect helpsApr 04 23:12
MinceRnothing will help as long as billions of people gladly accept living in such oppressionApr 04 23:14
Balrog_schestowitz: looked at that URL?Apr 04 23:18
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/articl... http://www.pcworld.com/article/162572/tmo...Apr 04 23:18
schestowitzBalrog: not yetApr 04 23:18
schestowitzI'm tiredApr 04 23:18
Balrog_it's worth a read. possibly a blog post may be able to use that infoApr 04 23:18
MinceRa less brutal color scheme would certainly help the uwwwb pageApr 04 23:19
MinceRi get stripes in my vision if i look elsewhereApr 04 23:19
Balrog_yes, though you can copy / paste the text somewhere elseApr 04 23:20
MinceRor i could switch to user mode :)Apr 04 23:20
Balrog_yeah ...Apr 04 23:20
schestowitzThis http://www.uwwwb.com/ site is very obscureApr 04 23:22
schestowitzRanks suggest that hardly anyone visits itApr 04 23:22
schestowitzNo crackpot, Balrog ?Apr 04 23:22
Balrog_this is the owner of Core IPApr 04 23:22
Balrog_that was raided by the FBIApr 04 23:22
Balrog_it's on slashdotApr 04 23:22
schestowitzI didn't rreal the whole thingApr 04 23:22
schestowitzI see..Apr 04 23:22
schestowitzSo that's just a personal site referring to another/othersApr 04 23:23
schestowitzI am too tired to read itApr 04 23:23
Balrog_it's a forum of some sort.Apr 04 23:23
Balrog_but the owner of Core IP runs itApr 04 23:23
schestowitz"I’m an athlete, and they made me out to be some deranged CEO dope fiend in order to get their bogus search warrant to invade my home."Apr 04 23:26
schestowitz"These guys actually put in the affidavit that it was alleged that I did crack cocaine and methamphetamines. I am a 36-year-old white-collar father of three, I work 100 hours a week..."Apr 04 23:26
balzac100 hours a week? how is that possible without speed?Apr 04 23:27
balzacbut regardless of that, it's his natural right to do so.Apr 04 23:27
schestowitz"Okay, so let’s just say they are doing their job, and they are not turning the country we love into the new Nazi Germany. To be honest, I am not a tin-foil-hat guy, I don’t believe in 9-11 conspiracies, and I just don’t buy into any of the government conspiracies."Apr 04 23:27
schestowitzStrong wordsApr 04 23:27
Balrog_you can work 14 hours a dayApr 04 23:27
schestowitzDepends on the nature of workApr 04 23:28
schestowitzSome jobs are like hobbiesApr 04 23:28
balzacI've done a couple of all-night sessions recently and it sucks to do so.Apr 04 23:28
schestowitzWeb hosts are very dedicated to it. They must be.Apr 04 23:28
MinceRi'd use strong words too if they confiscated all my equipment for investigation and then they didn't do any investigationApr 04 23:28
MinceR:>Apr 04 23:28
balzacthose are valid pointsApr 04 23:28
balzacdown with the moral-hypocrites and their war on drug-usersApr 04 23:29
balzacthey are among the very most reprehensible totalitariansApr 04 23:29
MinceR"the federal prosecutors win 90% of their cases" -- isn't this the kind of thing they say about totalitarian countriesApr 04 23:31
MinceR(and hungary)?Apr 04 23:31
balzacwe should empty the prisons of all non-violent drug offenders to make space for members of congress who've behaved like Crown Prince Bush's aristocracyApr 04 23:31
Balrog_in this case, there's already been a lot of publicity. Hopefully this makes the FBI look badApr 04 23:31
MinceRi'd say they don't necessarily deserve to get food and a place to sleep for the rest of their life but then you'd attack me again for being an "angstivism" or some other word you've made up on the spotApr 04 23:32
MinceRs/ism/ist/Apr 04 23:32
MinceRhas anyone else written on this case already?Apr 04 23:32
MinceRit would be nice to see if it's true or notApr 04 23:32
Balrog_http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?...Apr 04 23:33
Balrog_andApr 04 23:33
Balrog_http://tech.slashdot.org/article...Apr 04 23:33
Balrog_first is newerApr 04 23:33
balzacMinceR: you're right, I would call it excessively vengeful to starve people to death in prison, or to execute them.Apr 04 23:33
balzacyou are an "angstivist". it's a good thing I made up that word because there are so many people it applies to.Apr 04 23:34
MinceRBalrog_: thanksApr 04 23:34
MinceRbalzac: you are an "idiot". it's a good thing somebody made up that word because there are so many people it applies to.Apr 04 23:34
balzacPoor MinceR, you've got a trickle of inner tears which never seem to stop flowingApr 04 23:35
balzacthere's a pill for that, you know?Apr 04 23:35
MinceRbalzac: keep guessingApr 04 23:35
balzacit's called the crying baby-man pillApr 04 23:35
MinceR"inner tears", you crack me upApr 04 23:36
MinceRsadly, there's no pill for being a retard, so you can't be helpedApr 04 23:36
balzacI have a friend who is literally retarded. I respect him, so I don't use the word retarded in a derogatory way.Apr 04 23:37
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MinceRbalzac: i suspect he's in a better state than you are.Apr 04 23:37
balzacChris is a little slow, but his personality is worth the patience it takes to hear him out as he composes his thoughts.Apr 04 23:37
schestowitzInteresting readApr 04 23:38
balzache's slow but he's a unique personality and has insights to share.Apr 04 23:38
balzacretarded people can be wise.Apr 04 23:38
Balrog_schestowitz: what do you think? I'm alarmed.Apr 04 23:38
balzacchris is wiser than you are, Mincer.Apr 04 23:38
MinceRbalzac: on the other hand, your personality isn't worth anything.Apr 04 23:39
*DaemonFC (n=ryan@c-67-173-86-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovellApr 04 23:39
balzacMinceR: you may just want to go and have a good cry.Apr 04 23:39
schestowitzBalrog: it seems alarmistApr 04 23:39
schestowitzMaybe it's about what he is NOT tellingApr 04 23:40
MinceRbalzac: if you want to spew inflammatory nonsense, could you at least leave my nick out of it?Apr 04 23:40
Balrog_yes it does, but the raids did happen.Apr 04 23:40
schestowitzBut I wouldn't trust what spooks say, eitherApr 04 23:40
balzacbut then again, maybe you'll make a habit of it. Chicks don't seem to find crying-baby-men very appealing, so maybe you should keep a stiff upper lip instead.Apr 04 23:40
MinceRbalzac: i prefer to be hilighted only by people who have something to say.Apr 04 23:40
balzacdon't be so emotionally volatileApr 04 23:40
schestowitz"WeaponsWeaponsWeapons of mass destruction yadda yadda..|{Apr 04 23:40
MinceRlook who's talking.Apr 04 23:40
schestowitz'They also raided the home of a Wiileaks mirror hosterApr 04 23:41
balzacMinceR: anyone who knows me is aware that I have a rather reptilian limbic system.Apr 04 23:41
MinceRbalzac: well, at least your chicks accept your money for the act. :>Apr 04 23:41
schestowitzAs though Wikileaks is a crime of somethingApr 04 23:41
Balrog_in GermanyApr 04 23:41
schestowitzQuite the oppositeApr 04 23:41
Balrog_yeah :/Apr 04 23:41
schestowitzyesApr 04 23:41
schestowitzIt EXPOSES crimeApr 04 23:41
MinceRbalzac: that's rather demeaning to reptiles.Apr 04 23:41
schestowitzThe authorities shouild REWARD WikileaksApr 04 23:41
schestowitzAnd use it to investigateApr 04 23:41
balzacice-water in my veinsApr 04 23:41
MinceRauthorities aren't against crime thoughApr 04 23:41
schestowitzBut Wikileaks also exposed federal crimeApr 04 23:41
schestowitzLike a filter listApr 04 23:41
MinceRthey're part of itApr 04 23:41
schestowitzice-water?Apr 04 23:42
schestowitzIt can't be both?Apr 04 23:42
balzacroy, i'm just saying i'm coolApr 04 23:42
schestowitzJust don't braick yourself Apr 04 23:42
schestowitz"Ice, ice baby"Apr 04 23:42
schestowitz*brickApr 04 23:42
balzacVanilla Ice is making a bit of a come-backApr 04 23:45
balzacclassic douche-bag iconApr 04 23:45
schestowitzhttp://www.uwwwb.com/Apr 04 23:46
schestowitzhttp://web.archive.org/web/*/http:/...Apr 04 23:46
schestowitzhttp://web.archive.org/web/2007012005...Apr 04 23:46
schestowitzhttp://web.archive.org/web/2007010...Apr 04 23:48
Balrog_hrm. I see.Apr 04 23:50
MinceRlooks like a warez forum to meApr 04 23:50
schestowitzYes.Apr 04 23:50
schestowitzcu tomorrowApr 04 23:51
MinceRo/Apr 04 23:53
Balrog_ah .. these are two different datacenters, apparentlyApr 04 23:54
Balrog_Crydon and CoreIPApr 04 23:54
MinceR(offtopic) http://i41.tinypic.com/t70h3p.gifApr 04 23:55
balzacthat was funnyApr 04 23:57
balzaci used to be all into 'warez' thinking i was getting away with so muchApr 04 23:57
MinceRthat's why you were into it?Apr 04 23:58
balzacmy proprietary software collection was a source of pride, and my most valuable posessionApr 04 23:58
Balrog_all 'unlicensed'?Apr 04 23:58
balzac30 lbs of CDsApr 04 23:58
balzacyepApr 04 23:58
balzacI was going to learn it all, and be a windows system administrator, database architect, etc.Apr 04 23:59

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