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DavidGerardat least the first oneApr 20 20:02
schestowitzAnyway, it's back now. I found the right table in the 100+MB mazeApr 20 20:02
DavidGerard:-)Apr 20 20:02
DavidGerardyeahApr 20 20:03
schestowitzDavidGerard: do you do .htaccess?Apr 20 20:03
DavidGerardi saw the css break, saw the story titles break and i knew *exactly* what you were doingApr 20 20:03
schestowitzThanks for helping Apr 20 20:03
DavidGerarddo i set stuff up with it? not generallyApr 20 20:03
schestowitzThe thing is this:Apr 20 20:03
schestowitzWordPress loop is simpleApr 20 20:03
DavidGerardthe page on 'nice urls' on mediawiki.org has some info on thisApr 20 20:03
schestowitzIt gives all URL requests to inde.php  (wordpress in home dir)Apr 20 20:03
DavidGerardyou should probably add to it how not to destroy a wordpress installation on the same urlApr 20 20:04
schestowitzSo how do I tell wordpress or apache to move "/" elsewhere?Apr 20 20:04
DavidGerardoh dear lord, so you have to hack in something to recognise mediawikiApr 20 20:04
schestowitzDavidGerard: not exactlyApr 20 20:04
DavidGerarda good way is with a subdirectoryApr 20 20:04
schestowitzMaybe it's how Apache handles PHP filesApr 20 20:04
schestowitzI never understand thisApr 20 20:05
DavidGerardhmm, hold on, does that work with wordpress? i was thinking of coppermindeApr 20 20:05
DavidGerardwell, it should just run themApr 20 20:05
DavidGerardbrb, kid is yellingApr 20 20:05
schestowitzLike... it would pass it to MediaWiki if the right URLs are asked for in a dir with .htaccessApr 20 20:05
schestowitzI'll flush cacheApr 20 20:07
schestowitzFlushedApr 20 20:11
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NeonFlosshey you allApr 20 20:22
NeonFlossI just noticed something coolApr 20 20:22
NeonFlossphosphorus (FOSS For Us) lol :pApr 20 20:22
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schestowitzNot much useful help in #wordpressApr 20 20:39
schestowitz<schestowitz> Hi, I need help with WordPress redirection. Is it possible for me to instruct wordpress to redirect from the index/root page ("/") to another page?Apr 20 20:40
schestowitz<ozmodiar> Add comments_template();Apr 20 20:40
schestowitz<ozmodiar> schestowitz: Yes, Settings -> Reading.Apr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> I want to make the index be a MediaWiki component in another directory (one that points at WordPress posts). Any help/pointers appreciated.Apr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> ozmodiar: I see....Apr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> Let me see if this can be hacked to escape WordPress' main loopApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<ozmodiar> lewb: Youre comments_template is probebly broken.Apr 20 20:40
schestowitz<Duesentrieb> schestowitz: can't you just use url rewriting?Apr 20 20:40
schestowitz<lewb> it works on an actual postApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<ozmodiar> schestowitz: Else you can use .htaccess.Apr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> Thanks. I'm trying just thatApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> I just a dummy page from which to redirect.Apr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> If this succeed, then I'd be thrilledApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<Duesentrieb> uh, for url rewrites or http redirects, you don't need a dummy.Apr 20 20:40
schestowitz<Duesentrieb> it happens before wordpress is ever executedApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<element> .htaccess -> Redirect 301|302 /old-permalink http://destination.comApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> element: thanksApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> here's the problem I have nowApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> I created a dummy pageApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> I set up a redict that works for itApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> Taking me to MediaWikiApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> Assigning front page to this dummy page does not latch onto the redir thoughApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> It sites there on the 'main page' in the address barApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> It's as though WordPress serves the static page without touching that URLApr 20 20:40
schestowitz<schestowitz> Any way around it?Apr 20 20:40
schestowitzI'm installing a plugin nowApr 20 20:40
schestowitzhttp://urbangiraffe.com/plugins/...Apr 20 20:41
Balrogschestowitz: you're learning that it's best to keep a wp site in like /wp :)Apr 20 20:42
schestowitzMaybe.Apr 20 20:43
schestowitzI set it up this way in my personal blogApr 20 20:43
schestowitzAh!Apr 20 20:46
schestowitzI think it works nowApr 20 20:46
schestowitzTry itApr 20 20:46
schestowitzMain page of BNApr 20 20:46
schestowitzAnd I have a powerful tool with regexes for WordPress (one level above Apache)Apr 20 20:46
Balrogseems to work now :)Apr 20 20:47
Balrognow write about the Sun / Oracle thingApr 20 20:48
schestowitzyayaApr 20 20:48
schestowitzBalrog: nopeApr 20 20:48
schestowitzI think not and I'll tell you whatApr 20 20:48
Balrog...? I think it's important ...Apr 20 20:48
schestowitzUnless you have an angel, then you're one in a million that write about something that people developed fatgue forApr 20 20:48
schestowitzBalrog: it is, but many people covered it by nowApr 20 20:49
Balrogok.Apr 20 20:49
schestowitzIf it's not breaking some part of the news, then I'll accumulate some points and see if there's a new angle I know aboutApr 20 20:49
schestowitzLike how it related to Novell, Java, Go-ooApr 20 20:49
schestowitzSame with IBM at the timeApr 20 20:49
schestowitzI hardly mentioned it and it never materialised eitherApr 20 20:49
Balrogok.Apr 20 20:49
schestowitzIf I just parroted news of the day, then we'd be Yet Another FOSS SiteApr 20 20:50
schestowitzPeople don't need thtaApr 20 20:50
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schestowitzelement,  ozmodiar, and Duesentrieb solved it with me, so I thanked them... it's solved now. Solution: installed this thing: http://urbangiraffe.com/plug...Apr 20 20:52
schestowitzMashup of CMSs is funApr 20 20:52
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schestowitzOK, final tweaks and here is the new front page of Boycott Novell: http://boycottnovell.comApr 20 21:18
zer0c00lsam ramji blabs again: http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl...Apr 20 21:21
schestowitzGet garlicApr 20 21:23
schestowitzIt's getting dark for Microsoft: Analyst: More Layoffs Coming To Microsoft: http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/41...Apr 20 21:23
*DavidGerard is back, v slightlyApr 20 21:25
DavidGerardahhhh i see what you've doneApr 20 21:26
DavidGerardfront page is now the wikiApr 20 21:26
DavidGerardthat's like the setup we have at workApr 20 21:26
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DavidGerardyou have to be very careful with your urls, and preserving old urls is a b*gg*r, but it's lovely when you get it workingApr 20 21:27
zer0c00lschestowitz, front page looks betterApr 20 21:27
zer0c00l:)Apr 20 21:27
DavidGerardi like the front page having a list of 'links' stories and a list of 'real' storiesApr 20 21:27
schestowitzMicrosoft fires, Google hires: Google Still Hiring Lots of Engineers (And Some Daycare Workers Too) < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-g... >Apr 20 21:27
DavidGerardthe way i usually read the blog is to right-click the headings for each story then read them in their tabApr 20 21:28
schestowitzDavidGerard: :-)Apr 20 21:28
DavidGerardso seeing an index first is v helpfulApr 20 21:28
schestowitzYes, and good news...Apr 20 21:28
schestowitzMore layoffs likely coming to MicrosoftApr 20 21:28
schestowitzThere are leaksApr 20 21:28
schestowitzAnd Google is hiring still.Apr 20 21:28
DavidGerardmore than the 3600 unspecified victims?Apr 20 21:28
schestowitzYesApr 20 21:28
schestowitzI will post in BN quicklyApr 20 21:29
schestowitzFallen behindApr 20 21:29
schestowitzAfter getting some tears (no really) over messing things upApr 20 21:29
DavidGerardi know that feeling :-)Apr 20 21:29
DavidGerardit's bad enough on a work intranet for ten peopleApr 20 21:29
schestowitzI'd better knock the Wiki into shape more quickly now that it's visited moreApr 20 21:29
DavidGerardlet alone a popular news siteApr 20 21:29
DavidGerardoh yesApr 20 21:29
DavidGerardyou can do some really funky presentational stuff with css and skins on mediawiki tooApr 20 21:30
schestowitzYes, I knowApr 20 21:30
DavidGerardyou can make it not look like a wiki at allApr 20 21:30
schestowitzBut not yetApr 20 21:30
DavidGerardyep! keep it incremental!Apr 20 21:30
schestowitzNodApr 20 21:30
schestowitzI lost track of some things I planned to doApr 20 21:30
schestowitz6-9 i burned time on the wikiApr 20 21:30
schestowitzIt's like an addictionApr 20 21:30
DavidGerardpreserving urls is excellentApr 20 21:30
schestowitzI said, only 15 minutesApr 20 21:30
DavidGerard:-DApr 20 21:30
schestowitzAnd then you go on and onApr 20 21:31
DavidGerardyou have a new COOL THING to HACK ON!Apr 20 21:31
DavidGerardyeahApr 20 21:31
DavidGerardmediawiki-l is a helpful listApr 20 21:31
DavidGerardbrb. phoneApr 20 21:31
DavidGerardbackApr 20 21:33
DavidGerard(i'm at home on call)Apr 20 21:33
schestowitzSo anyway, things are working well this weekApr 20 21:34
schestowitzUbuntu 9.04 outApr 20 21:34
schestowitzAnd Microsoft to report major slump the same day(ish)Apr 20 21:34
schestowitzAnd maybe announce more closures/layoffsApr 20 21:34
schestowitzWhy the obsession over Microsoft? No other company hates FOSS and Linux so much.Apr 20 21:35
DavidGerardindeedApr 20 21:35
DavidGerardand so many tentacles do actually trace right back to them, really obviouslyApr 20 21:36
*DavidGerard has created an account on the wikiApr 20 21:36
DavidGerardsuggested extension: CheckUserApr 20 21:36
DavidGerardit allows you to check what IP a vandal is coming in from without having to do handcrafted SELECT * on the recentchanges tableApr 20 21:36
schestowitzSCOApr 20 21:37
schestowitzmaybe SUN tooApr 20 21:37
schestowitzPJ brought it up againApr 20 21:37
schestowitzThe "Sun being offered something to sue Linux"Apr 20 21:37
DavidGerardyeahApr 20 21:37
schestowitzProbably MSApr 20 21:37
DavidGerardSun was not much of a friend of OSS at the timeApr 20 21:37
DavidGerardie. mcnealy wasn't a fanApr 20 21:37
schestowitzI wrote about it when Jonathan Ponytail blogged itApr 20 21:37
DavidGerardyepApr 20 21:37
DavidGerardhe's a fan of OSSApr 20 21:37
schestowitzI hear that Jonathan Ponytail has a new job as Ellison's baberApr 20 21:37
schestowitz*barberApr 20 21:37
DavidGerardotoh, OSS was basically Sun's "Hail Mary" pass to try not to go brokeApr 20 21:38
schestowitzHe'll keep the bog alias "ponytail"Apr 20 21:38
DavidGerardoracle really couldn't give a hoot about OSS except insofar as it involves commodifying every other part of the cost of a database ssytemApr 20 21:39
DavidGerardi am not sanguine about Oracle giving a hoot about the OSS that Sun was custodian of. They're proprietary through and through their insanely expensive little heartsApr 20 21:39
DavidGerardthe only plus point i can think of is that ellison and gates f*cking hate each other ;-DApr 20 21:40
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schestowitzOh OracleApr 20 21:44
schestowitzPardon me being slowApr 20 21:44
schestowitzIt has been a good day, but Oracle is a mixed badApr 20 21:45
schestowitzWould IBM have been better?Apr 20 21:45
DavidGerardyesApr 20 21:45
DavidGerardat least ibm are slightly in the business of open sourceApr 20 21:45
DavidGerardand very slightly in the business of free softwareApr 20 21:45
schestowitzHehe.Apr 20 21:45
DavidGerardoracle have sleepycatApr 20 21:45
schestowitzI can think of a funny post to doApr 20 21:45
DavidGerardand don't careApr 20 21:45
schestowitzGive me a couple of minutesApr 20 21:45
DavidGerardand innodb, and don't careApr 20 21:45
schestowitzI'll remark in one wordApr 20 21:45
schestowitzUsing the videoApr 20 21:45
schestowitzHold onb.Apr 20 21:46
DavidGerardmy personal interest is that i've been a solaris admin for 8 years and i'd rather not have my cv go up in smoke ;-)Apr 20 21:46
DavidGerardheck, i might have to learn this 'leengux' that all the kids are intoApr 20 21:46
schestowitzDamn. I thought I had it as oggApr 20 21:47
schestowitzI never made one...Apr 20 21:47
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/0...Apr 20 21:52
schestowitz:-)Apr 20 21:52
schestowitzhehe. Apr 20 21:52
schestowitzDavidGerard: was the same for me in a senseApr 20 21:52
schestowitzI did my degrees in the Old (Victoria) Univ. of Manc.Apr 20 21:52
schestowitzThen they merged with UMIST which is inferiorApr 20 21:52
schestowitzSo the names of the new university is... you've guessed itApr 20 21:52
trmancoDigg Ends Exclusive Ad Deal with Microsoft: http://www.clickz.com/3633453Apr 20 21:53
schestowitzBasically, the reputation of my degrees may decline although it says nothing about the university I was REALLY in (before the merger) Apr 20 21:53
schestowitzRAE 5*Apr 20 21:53
schestowitztrmanco: yes, got thatApr 20 21:53
schestowitztrmanco: I already feel like Digg is less hostile towards usApr 20 21:55
schestowitzAlso:Apr 20 21:55
schestowitzThis may lead to speculations about Google and DiggApr 20 21:55
schestowitzGoogle was gonna buy Digg last yearApr 20 21:56
schestowitzMS advertising was like a pawn in thereApr 20 21:56
schestowitzMaking it a poison pill and acuisition unattrativeApr 20 21:56
schestowitzMS put  a stake in Facebook (and overpaid) for the same reasonApr 20 21:56
schestowitzThey block Google takeoverApr 20 21:56
trmancoscaryApr 20 21:57
balzacsoon there'll be one big applicationApr 20 21:57
balzacand little pockets of AGPL licensed applicationsApr 20 21:58
balzacthe mega webservices and applications are getting almost everyoneApr 20 21:58
DavidGerardyeahApr 20 21:58
balzacyou can't get your fair share of traffic if you don't partakeApr 20 21:58
DavidGerardwell, AGPL is enough of a licence to be copyleftApr 20 21:59
DavidGerardfree software is science rather than alchemy, so it wins *eventually*Apr 20 21:59
DavidGerardit'd just be good if it was sooner rather than laterApr 20 21:59
*DavidGerard is watching the ellison videoApr 20 21:59
balzacpeople should go back to saying "search" rather than "google" as a verbApr 20 22:00
DavidGerardi see he's politely not adding "and gates is an asshole and I hate the bastard"Apr 20 22:00
balzaclarry ellison is a doucheApr 20 22:00
DavidGerardbalzac: theoretically. however, they pretty much always mean "google."Apr 20 22:00
DavidGerardgoogle's monopoly on search is cos they're REALLY GOODApr 20 22:00
balzaci can't help but like Bill Gates more than him, with his 400' yachtApr 20 22:00
DavidGerardthe kids don't understand that these daysApr 20 22:00
DavidGerardi remember what search was like in 1997, 98Apr 20 22:00
DavidGerardoh my godApr 20 22:00
DavidGerardgoogle was the first. search engine. that didn't. SUCK.Apr 20 22:01
schestowitzDavidGerard: Wikipedia uses some Sun, right?Apr 20 22:01
DavidGerardit's hard to get across how remarkable this wasApr 20 22:01
schestowitzThere was a recent announcemnt.Apr 20 22:01
balzacDavidGerard: there's that, and there's the fact that people don't evaluate the cost of putting all their attention through one corporate entityApr 20 22:01
DavidGerardthat's why they never advertisedApr 20 22:01
DavidGerardyeahApr 20 22:01
DavidGerardbut y'know, people wouldn't use google if they weren't really goodApr 20 22:01
DavidGerardeven ms employees use google rather than live searchApr 20 22:01
balzacwell, the only way to push back is to "exploit" their web servicesApr 20 22:02
DavidGerardyeah, we use lotsa sun boxesApr 20 22:02
DavidGerarddell and sunApr 20 22:02
DavidGerardthe wmf servers are x86 ubuntu serverApr 20 22:02
balzacto make Google's data available as a white-label service by violating their TOSApr 20 22:02
balzaconce again, it comes down to civil disobedienceApr 20 22:02
DavidGerardthere are some wikimedia.de/toolserver.org servers that are solaris, i thinkApr 20 22:03
DavidGerardi might be out of date on thatApr 20 22:03
DavidGerardwe have some x86 sun boxes at WMFApr 20 22:03
DavidGerardat my workplace (which isn't WMF) we ahve sun and dellApr 20 22:03
DavidGerardthe suns are mostly solaris 10 with some linuxApr 20 22:03
DavidGerardthe dells are mostly rhel/centos with one or two solaris :-)Apr 20 22:04
DavidGerardmostly x86, some old sparc boxes we want to get rid ofApr 20 22:04
balzacI was put off by Google's refusal to host an AGPL-licensed applicationsApr 20 22:04
DavidGerardsome ancient x86 Fedora Core 3 boxes we desperately want to get rid ofApr 20 22:04
DavidGerardbalzac: yeah. that's ... rather telling.Apr 20 22:04
DavidGerardbasically, the AGPL is to Google what the GPL is to Microsoft.Apr 20 22:04
schestowitzLinux is up and Microsoft keeps collapsing: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/...Apr 20 22:04
DavidGerardweb services apps need to be AGPL.Apr 20 22:05
DavidGerardGPL is BSD when it's the service.Apr 20 22:05
balzacIn principle, it was the same as Microsoft's ideological opposition to the copyleftApr 20 22:05
balzacDavidGerard: yep, I said the same as soon as Chris DiBona announced that decisionApr 20 22:05
DavidGerardit's the one thing that could compete with them in a non-proprietisable way]Apr 20 22:05
schestowitzDavidGerard: thanks for the info re: WikipediaApr 20 22:06
balzacI'll start liking Google again if they make *substantial* donations of cash to the FSF and GNUApr 20 22:06
schestowitzI get allocated to the Ditch mirror hereApr 20 22:06
schestowitz*DutchApr 20 22:06
schestowitzOr maybe it's where the host is registeredApr 20 22:07
DavidGerardyeah, europe is served from the amsterdam proxiesApr 20 22:07
DavidGerardthe databases all live in floridaApr 20 22:07
DavidGerardthere's a squid farm in amsterdamApr 20 22:07
schestowitzFlorida needs lots of AC for DCsApr 20 22:07
DavidGerardthere used to be one in south korea, sponsored by yahoo, but that's being decommissioned (i don't know why)Apr 20 22:07
schestowitzAlso, pray for no rising water levelApr 20 22:07
schestowitzSome of my relatives live in Miami Beach. It's totally flatApr 20 22:08
DavidGerardthe servers are in tampaApr 20 22:08
balzacif not, I'll see them as a very big corporate blob, currently benevolent by virtue of their indifference to freedom, soon to become malevolent as time catches up with themApr 20 22:08
schestowitzDavidGerard: where is Wales from?Apr 20 22:08
balzacRoy, that's a pull-quote for your websiteApr 20 22:08
DavidGerard(the foundation is registered in st petersburg and now runs from san francisco)Apr 20 22:08
trmanco"Tomboy is not going away, and it will continue to be developed on the extremely productive Mono/GTK# language platform. Anyone thinking about distributing Gnote should consider the impact on users and their data. When we develop, we should always be asking ourselves, "is this adding value for our users?""Apr 20 22:08
*schestowitz too lazy to checkApr 20 22:08
DavidGerardwales is from alabama originallyApr 20 22:08
trmancoproductive mono/gtk#? failApr 20 22:08
DavidGerardmoved to florida at some stage, set up bomis, set up nupediaApr 20 22:08
schestowitzbalzac: added to quote fileApr 20 22:08
balzac;)Apr 20 22:09
DavidGerardwow, that's complete proprietary fudApr 20 22:09
schestowitz"I'll see Google as a very big corporate blob, currently benevolent by virtue of their indifference to freedom, soon to become malevolent as time catches up with them" --Paul GaskinApr 20 22:09
DavidGerardone of the first things people do with open source apps is file format convertersApr 20 22:09
MinceRtime has caught up with them long agoApr 20 22:09
trmancohttp://automorphic.blogspot.com/2009/04...Apr 20 22:09
DavidGerardgoogle's advantage right now is that their products don't suckApr 20 22:09
trmancoscroll down to the gnote partApr 20 22:10
DavidGerardin fact their good stuff is fantasticApr 20 22:10
schestowitz"Some people have started asking about Gnote, Hubert Figuiere's line-for-line port of Tomboy to C++. Our stance on Gnote is that it is counterproductive to maintain identical software in two languages. It will be harmful to the community, especially as these two apps inevitably diverge. It will result in duplication of effort, duplication of bugs, and a lot of wasted time for those who are trying to add value to the user experienceApr 20 22:10
schestowitz."Apr 20 22:10
schestowitzHehe. Mono devs worryApr 20 22:10
schestowitzWhat? Me worry?Apr 20 22:10
schestowitzThe fight against the fork...Apr 20 22:11
schestowitzWell, if they didn't use MS SW, that would not have happened, I guess.Apr 20 22:11
balzacDavidGerard: if Google doesn't maintain their reputation of having an interest in freedom, their programmers will lose moral and their web-services will begin to fail our expectations.Apr 20 22:11
balzacGoogle must pay attention to the GNU-Father's vision because RMS has his eyes on the horizon, while Google is increasingly looking at their quarterly profits for share holders.Apr 20 22:12
MinceRit was such a great idea to replace xorg.conf with .fdi filesApr 20 22:12
MinceRit worked too well, something had to be done about it!Apr 20 22:12
balzacGoogle has too much momentum to fail quickly and terribly. They could make an adjustment to their corporate culture and recover from their current trend.Apr 20 22:12
schestowitzGoogle will be hard to dethrone in searchApr 20 22:13
schestowitzit's dangerous because of dpeendencyApr 20 22:13
schestowitzAlso ownership and control of dataApr 20 22:13
schestowitzLocation wise, not just formatApr 20 22:13
schestowitzPrivacyApr 20 22:14
DavidGerardyou're not locked into gmail, you can imap your data out dailyApr 20 22:14
DavidGerardyeah. it's the click trail.Apr 20 22:14
*DavidGerard has left a polite note on the tomboy blog asking "did you really mean what you just said?"Apr 20 22:14
schestowitzBut let's finish off Microsoft so that we can use Linux peacefully and move colleagues to it alsoApr 20 22:14
Balrogwith yahoo mail, you can't use pop or imap without paying :(Apr 20 22:14
schestowitzThen the cloud will be worth worrying about moreApr 20 22:14
balzachttp://www.buzzfeed.com/akdobbins/...Apr 20 22:14
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DavidGerardthe area google really needs competition is ad networksApr 20 22:18
DavidGerardms are fools to be pursuing search so hardApr 20 22:18
mib_vsozp6Orc via a webpage via my phone. Amazing.Apr 20 22:18
DavidGerardthey need to make an ad network that sucks less than google'sApr 20 22:19
DavidGerardthen advertisers and publishers will flock to itApr 20 22:19
schestowitzWhen Pixels Find New Life on Real Paper  < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/2... >Apr 20 22:19
balzacMicrosoft is a ship of fools because of their ideological opposition to computer users' freedomApr 20 22:19
mib_vsozp6Irc :)Apr 20 22:19
schestowitzmib_vsozp6: on phone?Apr 20 22:19
schestowitzWelcomeApr 20 22:19
balzacGoogle is a ship of fools to the extent that they're ideologically indifferent to computer users' freedomApr 20 22:19
mib_vsozp6Keyboard is a wee bit smallApr 20 22:19
schestowitzWhat gadget is it?Apr 20 22:20
mib_vsozp6Sitting here bored in a bookstore waiting for new tires to be installed on the car.Apr 20 22:21
mib_vsozp6IphoneApr 20 22:21
DavidGerardhehApr 20 22:21
DavidGerardwe just got a nokia 5800Apr 20 22:21
DavidGerardit's got all the features of an iphone, except the feature of an interface that isn't made entirely of FAILApr 20 22:21
DavidGerardoh, and it only takes nokia headphonesApr 20 22:22
balzaccheck this outApr 20 22:22
mib_vsozp6Would love to be using the openmoko but is not there yetApr 20 22:22
DavidGerardthat nyt story hit the nail on the head: books as vinyl recordsApr 20 22:22
schestowitzI've just removed the <h3>Sun</h3> bits from my links template for BNApr 20 22:22
balzaccertain club owners in moscow have stayed on top of "the scene"Apr 20 22:22
DavidGerardmib_vsozp6: and you can't even get hold of oneApr 20 22:22
balzachow they do it is that they close down a club while it's still popular, and they've got a new one readyApr 20 22:23
mib_vsozp6I own oneApr 20 22:23
balzacthey don't wait until a club gets oldApr 20 22:23
schestowitzDavidGerard must be sulkingApr 20 22:23
balzacor someone else will build the next cool clubApr 20 22:23
schestowitzSun is like CompaqApr 20 22:23
mib_vsozp6Neo freerunnerApr 20 22:23
schestowitzA giant that used to be as a brand. Sorry, DavidGerard Apr 20 22:23
balzacMy analogy is that Google ought to recognize the value of tearing down their old club before people get bored of it.Apr 20 22:23
mib_vsozp6I just hope they gol zfsApr 20 22:24
balzacso they ought to accept that the AGPL could hurt their current business model a bit, but they'll be needing it some dayApr 20 22:24
schestowitzbalzac: but people /need/ GoogleApr 20 22:24
schestowitzThey take search for grantedApr 20 22:24
schestowitzNo more altavista with garbageApr 20 22:24
schestowitzmib_vsozp6: likely soApr 20 22:24
balzacGoogle seems to take a lot for grantedApr 20 22:24
schestowitzmib_vsozp6: Oracle develops btrfs alsoApr 20 22:24
schestowitzbalzac: cause it  DoesNoEvilApr 20 22:25
schestowitzIt's like the PromotingDemocracyApr 20 22:25
balzacbut brand loyalty to the old GNU is much stronger, albeit far less recognized by computer newbiesApr 20 22:25
schestowitzIf you criticise a country for PromotingDemocracy (invading/exploiting) they call you something.Apr 20 22:25
schestowitzWith Google, it's hard not to like it. Apr 20 22:25
schestowitzSo they sayApr 20 22:26
balzacany company which is listed on the NYSE is beholden to the group-foolery of share-holdersApr 20 22:26
schestowitz"What?!?!? You don't LIKE Firefox?"Apr 20 22:26
balzacGoogle should buy back some shares and not allow their company to pander to quarterly profits at the expense of their dignity as a "open source" brandApr 20 22:26
balzachowever much that is worthApr 20 22:26
mib_vsozp6The shareholder thing is a probleApr 20 22:27
balzacGNU Power!Apr 20 22:27
schestowitzSearch engines gobble up 1.5 GB of pages per day in BNApr 20 22:27
schestowitzThat's a lot compared to my other sites.Apr 20 22:27
mib_vsozp6M but the only way to raise major fundingApr 20 22:27
balzacYou cannot imagine the "Powah" of GNU softwareApr 20 22:28
balzacOpen Sourcers will bow to the hairy-side of the forceApr 20 22:28
balzacHugo Chavez is with usApr 20 22:29
mib_vsozp6Bill, I am your father. - RMS Noooo - billyApr 20 22:29
balzacMaybe he'll straighten out President Obama on softwareApr 20 22:29
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mib_vsozp6Hugo is a dickApr 20 22:30
balzacHe said Obama was a "poor ignoramus"Apr 20 22:30
balzacthen he gave President Obama a book to readApr 20 22:30
mib_vsozp6I have been there and seen his work.Apr 20 22:30
balzacwho else has that kind of clout?Apr 20 22:30
balzacI selected Hugo Chavez as my president during the "interregnum" of Bush's illegitimate years of treasonApr 20 22:31
balzacI'm not sweating the small stuffApr 20 22:31
balzache had the guts to call Bush out when no one else except Kucinich was doing thatApr 20 22:32
mib_vsozp6You cannot have software freedom before traditional political freedom.Apr 20 22:32
balzacI like Barack Obama now, but I was skepticalApr 20 22:32
balzacmib_vsozp6: you cannot have some idealistic kind of candy-land freedom with Bush's CIA trying to topple you in a coupApr 20 22:33
balzaclet's see how Venezuela goes nowApr 20 22:33
balzacChavez could definitely use my consulting regarding issues of diplomatic nuance and economic policyApr 20 22:34
balzacbut he's a good guy, one of few leaders who has the guts to fight when necessary and to not mince wordsApr 20 22:34
mib_vsozp6Tell that to the people he is disappearing. I know a family who has lost someone. The us or I'm are candyland in comparison.Apr 20 22:35
DavidGerarddon't worryApr 20 22:35
balzacmib_vsozp6: citations needed, or else you're like the guys who accused Bill Clinton of murder.Apr 20 22:36
schestowitzCanonical Announces Availability of Ubuntu 9.04 Server Edition http://www.emediawire.com/rel...Apr 20 22:36
DavidGerardi'm sure it will be at least another year before chavez builds a gold statue of himself in the city square of caracas taht turns to follow the sunApr 20 22:36
DavidGerardand another year after that before he names the days of the week and months of the year after himself and his motherApr 20 22:36
balzacmib_vsozp6: good luck convincing me without proof. I never believed the things published by the American corporate media about Moqtada al Sadr, much less Hugo Chavez.Apr 20 22:37
mib_vsozp6Go to Venezuela as I haveApr 20 22:38
balzacThe same corporate media honchos who pay the salaries of the racist pundits who compare President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder to monkeys were cupping Bush's scrotum only a short time ago.Apr 20 22:38
balzacmib_vsozp6: I will, and I expect to be greeted very nicelyApr 20 22:39
balzacBut it's not my priorityApr 20 22:39
schestowitzLinux beats BSD on performance: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php...Apr 20 22:39
balzacmib_vsozp6: just out of curiosity, what's your cultural background?Apr 20 22:40
DavidGerardhah, one of the tests is to solve connect-4 repeatedly :-DApr 20 22:42
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trmancogrr, the news today is all about Oracle and Sun, getting sick of itApr 20 22:47
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schestowitzHaha. Watch this second message: http://techdirt.com/articles/20...Apr 20 22:48
balzacmib_vsozp6 had nothing to say to back up his Chavez accusationsApr 20 22:48
schestowitztrmanco: see, that's why I don't write about itApr 20 22:48
schestowitzBalrog asked.Apr 20 22:48
schestowitzPeoplw write and write and write about it as though it's a scoop but people are just fed upApr 20 22:49
schestowitzbalzac: could be hearsayApr 20 22:49
trmancoiy's really frustrating to see the same'ol title over and over again, some feeds have the keyword "oracle" and "title" more then 5 timesApr 20 22:49
trmancoit's*Apr 20 22:49
schestowitzWhisper campaigns, like the ones against other leadersApr 20 22:50
schestowitztrmanco: which feeds?Apr 20 22:50
trmancoIIRC, compuerworldApr 20 22:50
trmancocomputerworld*Apr 20 22:50
DavidGerardthat's because the tech press has nothing to write aboutApr 20 22:51
DavidGerardso when an actual event happens, they go hogwildApr 20 22:51
DavidGerardthe rest of the time they reprint ms press releasesApr 20 22:51
schestowitzWow. Wow. Whao. http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/o... (don't click, it's yet another one)Apr 20 22:52
DavidGerardthey're incredibly grateful when actual news occurs, because then they can pretend to be proper journalists and meaningful analysts rather than cheap whoresApr 20 22:52
schestowitztrmanco: CW is IDGApr 20 22:52
schestowitzWintel garbageApr 20 22:52
schestowitzI don't read them anymoreApr 20 22:52
trmanco:|Apr 20 22:52
schestowitzI'm running out of sourcesApr 20 22:53
schestowitzThe INQ and Reg suck tooApr 20 22:53
schestowitzTheir founder left and MS lackeys took over partiallyApr 20 22:53
schestowitz*LOL* "hogwild"Apr 20 22:53
schestowitz"caostheory Did I pick the best week to have a few days off, or what? CAOS Theory will round up the Oracle speculation, and more, later this week."Apr 20 22:54
schestowitzOh noes.Apr 20 22:54
trmancohttp://www.dwheeler.com/blog/20...Apr 20 22:54
schestowitzNot another one analysing the thingApr 20 22:54
schestowitzSave it for laterz, CAON Theory; the world will carry on corvering this without the supermen of 451 GroupApr 20 22:54
schestowitztrmanco: judging by the "id" I though MS was giving it away to WikipediaApr 20 22:55
schestowitzWikipedia could toss Encarta in the "Talk" pageApr 20 22:55
schestowitzYou know, as an appendage (aka "CRAP")Apr 20 22:55
trmancoit's dyingApr 20 22:55
schestowitzNot WikipediaApr 20 22:56
trmancoyet another service dyingApr 20 22:56
schestowitzEncarta is deadApr 20 22:56
schestowitzMS is dyingApr 20 22:56
schestowitzMore layoffs comingApr 20 22:56
trmancoI'm was referring to encartaApr 20 22:56
schestowitzDigg jumps off their ship too, so they lack case studiesApr 20 22:56
schestowitzInstead of case studies they now have failure 'study' casesApr 20 22:56
trmancofunnyApr 20 22:56
trmancogrr, even groklaw had something to say about todays dealApr 20 22:57
schestowitzThey wasted money on Digg to make a FAIL storyApr 20 22:57
schestowitzAt least it lasted when their pseudo-journos covered the Digg deal excessivelyApr 20 22:57
schestowitzDigg is dying tooApr 20 22:57
schestowitzIt's still big, but it's shrinkingApr 20 22:57
schestowitztrmanco: at least GL was unique about it.Apr 20 22:57
schestowitzIt brought back... very old news.Apr 20 22:58
trmancoyeah, it was different but stillApr 20 22:58
schestowitzCan mibbit be set to auto-login?Apr 20 22:59
schestowitzI wonder...Apr 20 22:59
schestowitzCause we could add real-time widget to BN this wayApr 20 22:59
schestowitzhttp://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/AutoconnectApr 20 23:00
schestowitzHow do I log out in IRCApr 20 23:01
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trmancowowApr 20 23:13
DavidGerardWhat sort of 'real time' do you want?Apr 20 23:13
schestowitzWhat do you mean by real time?Apr 20 23:14
DavidGerardthere are mediawiki extensions that display the contents of an rss feed in a widget-like thingApr 20 23:14
schestowitzThe thing is, think of a mode of communicating fastApr 20 23:14
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schestowitzDavidGerard: yes, that might be usefulApr 20 23:14
schestowitzBut.... we already have fsdailyApr 20 23:14
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DavidGerard(there are mediawiki extensions for *everything*. some of them are even useful and work.)Apr 20 23:14
schestowitzSo there are cheaper ways to achieve thisApr 20 23:15
DavidGerardyeahApr 20 23:15
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DavidGerardmediawiki.org is like a great big candy storeApr 20 23:15
DavidGerardand if you eat too much of what's there you'll be sickApr 20 23:15
schestowitzSame with WordPressApr 20 23:15
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DavidGerardyes, exactly!Apr 20 23:16
DavidGerardexactly like wordpressApr 20 23:16
schestowitzWe used to have very few extensionsApr 20 23:17
DavidGerardif you run extensions that are used by lots of people you'll be safestApr 20 23:17
DavidGerardparticularly ones used on wikimediaApr 20 23:17
schestowitzThese are upgrade nighmaresApr 20 23:17
schestowitz*nightmareApr 20 23:17
DavidGerardthey are indeedApr 20 23:17
schestowitzIDG: "OpenSolaris, Linux could merge under Oracle"Apr 20 23:18
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DavidGerardlinux and solaris are unmergeableApr 20 23:19
schestowitzSigns of demand for FOSS skills: Misys is looking for a Sr. Software Engineer - OS of course < http://linuxmednews.com/1239801762 >Apr 20 23:19
DavidGerardit's like news sites that proclaim how android equals linux therefore belongs on netbooksApr 20 23:19
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schestowitzDavidGerard: yes, I know.Apr 20 23:19
DavidGerardwhereas android is almost nothing like gnu/linux as anyone knows itApr 20 23:19
schestowitzI like strawberriesApr 20 23:19
schestowitzI also like steakApr 20 23:19
DavidGerardi administer both for a living. they are utterly different ;-)Apr 20 23:19
schestowitzBut.. Apr 20 23:19
DavidGerardhehApr 20 23:19
schestowitzYou know where it's going.Apr 20 23:19
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DavidGerardmind youApr 20 23:20
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DavidGerardthe solaris 10 command line is actually not as horrible as it used to beApr 20 23:20
MinceRis it more or less horrible now? :>Apr 20 23:20
DavidGerardbash is now a first-class shell rather than a barely-tolerated add-onApr 20 23:20
schestowitzDavidGerard: is it more like Linux yet?Apr 20 23:20
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DavidGerardit's a bit more gnu-ish.Apr 20 23:20
DavidGerardi really don't want the kernel to get like linux.Apr 20 23:20
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DavidGerardi hate administering linux.Apr 20 23:21
schestowitzGa-NOOApr 20 23:21
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DavidGerardgnu is fine. linux is awful.Apr 20 23:21
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DavidGerardanyone who thinks linux is a wonderful unix to administer has never used any other unix.Apr 20 23:21
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MinceRi haveApr 20 23:21
DavidGerardplus points: 1. it works. 2. it runs more pc hardware than anything.Apr 20 23:21
MinceRi've tried to administer freebsdApr 20 23:21
MinceRi don't miss it at all, and that's an understatementApr 20 23:22
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DavidGerardo rly?Apr 20 23:22
MinceRsomeone is having fun with mibbit, i seeApr 20 23:22
MinceRya rlyApr 20 23:22
DavidGerardthen you must be cosmically wrong cos that's my good example ;-pApr 20 23:22
MinceRno, that makes you cosmically wrongApr 20 23:22
DavidGerardi saw /etc/rc.conf and went "wow, it's like the pain in my forehead went away"Apr 20 23:22
MinceRit makes both your example wrong and your theory wrongApr 20 23:22
DavidGerardit is true that i am cosmically wrong in many waysApr 20 23:22
DavidGerardprobably this one tooApr 20 23:22
DavidGerardbut i LIKE adminning freebsdApr 20 23:23
MinceRand then you saw the stuff replicated under /usr/local and the pain came back?Apr 20 23:23
DavidGerardthere is that ;-pApr 20 23:23
DavidGerardsolaris has twenty years of layers of backward compatiblitiyApr 20 23:23
DavidGerardwhich is difficult sometimesApr 20 23:23
schestowitz  Dell is ashamed of its Ubuntu-powered laptopsApr 20 23:23
schestowitzApr 20, 2009, 16 :02 UTC (1 Talkback[s]) (2334 reads) < http://gustavonarea.net/blog/posts... >Apr 20 23:23
DavidGerardbut once you know your way through it it doesn't actively get in your face the way the backward compatibility does with windowsApr 20 23:23
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DavidGerardbecause they started with unixApr 20 23:24
MinceRdell should be ashamed of its hw quality insteadApr 20 23:24
MinceRand their supportApr 20 23:24
DavidGerardi stopped using freebsd because (1) the ports system is horrible (2) not as good hardware compatApr 20 23:24
_boo_dell should be ashamed that they sell windows with laptopsApr 20 23:24
DavidGerardtheir server support is pretty goodApr 20 23:24
MinceRthat's greatApr 20 23:24
MinceRi have a laptop thoughApr 20 23:24
DavidGerardtheir desktops and laptops ... ah.Apr 20 23:24
DavidGerardi remember my old work laptopApr 20 23:24
DavidGerarda latitude d610Apr 20 23:25
MinceRwhen the gpu fried itself, it didn't merely take a month to get a replacementApr 20 23:25
DavidGerardliterally EVERY PART OF IT was replaced. except the LCD and the memory.Apr 20 23:25
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DavidGerardevery other part.Apr 20 23:25
DavidGerardsome twice.Apr 20 23:25
MinceRalso, along the way they never had any idea when it's going to appearApr 20 23:25
MinceRmaybe next week, maybe neverApr 20 23:25
MinceRand they had no shame about itApr 20 23:25
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DavidGerardwhen getting a dell, make sure you have a corporate IT department behind youApr 20 23:25
DavidGerardwho can give you a replacement while you wait for dellApr 20 23:25
DavidGerardhp are a lot better for desktop supportApr 20 23:26
MinceRi have a better ideaApr 20 23:26
MinceRwhen getting a dell, make sure you don't get a dellApr 20 23:26
DavidGerardthank goodness they killed the HP pcs and sold compaqsApr 20 23:26
MinceRthat fixes the other problems tooApr 20 23:26
DavidGerardi like that ideaApr 20 23:26
DavidGerardthat saidApr 20 23:26
DavidGerardi still want a mini 9Apr 20 23:26
DavidGerardCOS THEY'RE CUTEApr 20 23:26
MinceRi want a thinkpadApr 20 23:26
MinceRsadly, the kind of thinkpad i want doesn't existApr 20 23:26
DavidGerardi want a netbook, and i like the mini 9Apr 20 23:26
DavidGerardactually, the form factor i want is the vaio not-a-netbookApr 20 23:27
MinceRthere are the ones with wimpy GPUs and there are the w700-s which are barely even portableApr 20 23:27
DavidGerard1600x768 screen on a large keyboardApr 20 23:27
MinceRand i can't really justify spending that much on a laptop anywayApr 20 23:27
DavidGerardso, wide screen about the size of a kbdApr 20 23:27
_boo_and i want very small laptop with 19" 4:3 screenApr 20 23:27
DavidGerardi want a netbook in that shapeApr 20 23:27
MinceR_boo_: lolApr 20 23:27
MinceRalso, i'm waiting for touchscreen Eee PC-sApr 20 23:27
DavidGerardi saw that thinkpad with the second screen hanging off the sideApr 20 23:27
DavidGerardI just went o_0Apr 20 23:27
MinceRor at least touch screen subnotebooks without the microsoft taxApr 20 23:27
DavidGerardyou could attach four legs to it and you'd have a deskApr 20 23:28
MinceRyeah, that's the w700Apr 20 23:28
DavidGerardif you could fit it in your officeApr 20 23:28
MinceR:DApr 20 23:28
DavidGerardi'm after a touch screen interface that isn't shitApr 20 23:28
DavidGerardi used a friend's ipod touch for web browsing, it was almost usableApr 20 23:28
DavidGerardnot quite, but almostApr 20 23:29
DavidGerardthe nokia 5800 is horrible, just too smallApr 20 23:29
MinceRthen again, i might be unfair here -- i'm comparing them to the 7900 gs i haveApr 20 23:29
MinceRbut this isn't a new GPU eitherApr 20 23:29
DavidGerardi'm writing this on a hp 6710bApr 20 23:29
DavidGerardintel graphicsApr 20 23:29
DavidGerardkwin regularly decides it's too busy to run the compositorApr 20 23:30
schestowitzI'm checking to see if it's possible to disable IRC messages when people enter and leave: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/i...Apr 20 23:30
schestowitzIs it possible?Apr 20 23:30
DavidGerardno ideaApr 20 23:30
DavidGerardi'm not sure why you'd want toApr 20 23:30
MinceRyou mean disabling join/part/quit messages?Apr 20 23:32
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schestowitzCarla on Microsoft's Vista7 misery: "oh dear, being forced to compete" http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_st...Apr 20 23:34
_boo_this pirated mirc has options for thisApr 20 23:34
MinceRirssi and kvirc can both do itApr 20 23:34
schestowitzmib_obw0n1: yesApr 20 23:34
MinceRpirated mirc sounds like punishmentApr 20 23:35
schestowitzMinceR: these messages arrive from the server, so maybe they can be disabledApr 20 23:35
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_boo_i think m$ should release yet another windows to make available consistent and successive upgrades up to win7, vista and xpApr 20 23:38
DavidGerardyou should be able to disable server messages, or send them somewhere elseApr 20 23:39
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... (DHS hunts for white-hat hackers) Microsoft is there on top now, after the BSA's lobbyingApr 20 23:39
DavidGerardoh good lord.Apr 20 23:39
schestowitzDavidGerard: I don't know howApr 20 23:39
DavidGerardmaybe they could hunt for sysadmins.Apr 20 23:40
schestowitzSome people might find them to be a nuisancxeApr 20 23:40
schestowitzDavidGerard: maybeApr 20 23:40
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schestowitzThey just need people with skills in adentfying crackersApr 20 23:40
DavidGerardyeahApr 20 23:40
schestowitzOr beaking into people's PCsApr 20 23:40
DavidGerardsufficiently bitter sysadmins would do the jobApr 20 23:40
schestowitzToday in /.: http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar...Apr 20 23:40
DavidGerardopenbsd adminsApr 20 23:40
schestowitzDocuments: FBI Spyware Has Been Snaring Extortionists, Hackers for Years  < http://blog.wired.com/27bstro... >Apr 20 23:40
DavidGerardthe dhs could recruit openbsd admins, that'd be funApr 20 23:40
schestowitzDavidGerard: stay with the good people in Wikipedia FoundationApr 20 23:41
schestowitzOmar from Bn did some report on you in JordanApr 20 23:41
MinceR_boo_: xp2?Apr 20 23:41
DavidGerardheh, the wmf admins are cynical enough ;-)Apr 20 23:41
MinceRwindows metafile?Apr 20 23:41
DavidGerardget some embittered bofhs on the case.Apr 20 23:41
DavidGerardwikimedia foundationApr 20 23:42
MinceR:)Apr 20 23:42
schestowitzTwitter riddled with worms and scams (again) < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... >Apr 20 23:42
MinceRWideOpenBSD admins? :>Apr 20 23:42
schestowitzDavidGerard: yes, I was not sure when I typed itApr 20 23:42
schestowitzBSD lost to Linux in a benchmarkApr 20 23:42
DavidGerardyeah, pc-bsd versus 9.04Apr 20 23:43
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=ar...Apr 20 23:43
DavidGerardinteresting what a difference the gcc makesApr 20 23:43
trmancowowApr 20 23:43
trmancolibre.fm gives the database for all usersApr 20 23:43
schestowitzAdobe's blobs and patents want to come to TV sets now: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009...Apr 20 23:44
trmancohttp://turtle.libre.fm/data/Apr 20 23:44
schestowitzStrong start for Palm's Linux-based platform: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/arc...Apr 20 23:46
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DavidGerardthe palm pre os sounds niceApr 20 23:48
DavidGerardmy last palm was a tungsten cApr 20 23:48
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.p... "LOL! Poor Cannon Fodder I mean Sam Ramji. He has the most thankless job at MS. Though it is true that people will pay more for something if they feel they are getting a good value." --Carla, LT adminApr 20 23:48
DavidGerardthe os wasn't a proper os, couldn't multitask int he kernelApr 20 23:48
schestowitzI still have my TTApr 20 23:48
DavidGerardso nothing cool FOSS could be portedApr 20 23:48
schestowitzRight bymy side ATMApr 20 23:48
DavidGerardthe c was *almost* the perfect pdaApr 20 23:49
DavidGerardbut they put mono sound in itApr 20 23:49
DavidGerardWHATApr 20 23:49
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schestowitzPalm is not for work, DavidGerard  :-)Apr 20 23:49
schestowitzIt's for particular thingApr 20 23:49
schestowitzPeople can't work on phones eitherApr 20 23:49
DavidGerardi got the non-sucky web browser off the zire and put it on the t-cApr 20 23:49
schestowitzThey need a proper large computer with millions of pixelsApr 20 23:49
DavidGerardthat and the wifi made it really niceApr 20 23:49
DavidGerardand the realplayer for palm could play in the backgroundApr 20 23:49
DavidGerardand tcpmp could play oggs :-)Apr 20 23:49
DavidGerardthen i lost it :-(Apr 20 23:50
DavidGerardbut yeah. perfect except the mono headphones. argh.Apr 20 23:50
DavidGerard(and that it didn't take standard headphones, no, you needed the palm plug. bah.)Apr 20 23:50
schestowitzWindows is catching up with Linux: WinTar Offers More stronger Features to manage uninx/linux like tarball archive files on Windows system < http://www.pr-inside.com/wintar-of... >Apr 20 23:51
schestowitzgnu tar is free and FreeApr 20 23:51
schestowitzit has many front ends alsoApr 20 23:51
DavidGerardi'm amazed at the SHAREWARE for windowsApr 20 23:52
DavidGerardTreeSizeProApr 20 23:52
DavidGerardthis is a real applicationApr 20 23:52
DavidGerarddo you know what it does?Apr 20 23:52
DavidGerardit does ...Apr 20 23:52
DavidGerarddu -ksApr 20 23:52
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DavidGerardgraphically!!!!!11!!!!!one!!Apr 20 23:52
schestowitzI don't know, no..Apr 20 23:52
DavidGerardand you can pay them $10.Apr 20 23:52
schestowitzWow!Apr 20 23:52
DavidGerardi know!Apr 20 23:52
schestowitzWell, KDE has a nice featureApr 20 23:52
DavidGerardwho'd have thought you could do that on computers!Apr 20 23:52
schestowitzKonqeueror shows file sizes as blocksApr 20 23:53
schestowitzBy traversing diraApr 20 23:53
schestowitz*dirsApr 20 23:53
schestowitzThere are many tools like thatApr 20 23:53
schestowitzBut KDE has one built inApr 20 23:53
schestowitzIn KDE 3.5, probably in Dolphin tooApr 20 23:53
DavidGerardyou could come up with an awful software business reimplementing horrible graphical versions of every unix command for windowsApr 20 23:53
schestowitzI didn't know about it until last yearApr 20 23:53
DavidGerardbase them on bsd, then you can make it closed sourceApr 20 23:53
schestowitzDavidGerard: they can hardly keep what they have aliveApr 20 23:54
schestowitzLike serve Web pages (Encarta)Apr 20 23:54
schestowitzThey messed up with SingularityApr 20 23:54
schestowitzWaste of moneyApr 20 23:54
schestowitzFor "R&D" buzzwordApr 20 23:54
schestowitzNow it's shelves (in bitbucket)Apr 20 23:54
DavidGerardhey, songsmith is great!Apr 20 23:54
schestowitzLinus likes itApr 20 23:54
DavidGerardgo on youtube and look for the songsmith versions of popular 80s songsApr 20 23:54
schestowitzWell, he also live tivoisation, so...Apr 20 23:54
DavidGerard"white wedding" by billy idol is particularly hilariousApr 20 23:54
DavidGerardhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_... - first paragraph is a coffee-spitApr 20 23:55
schestowitzMicrosoft tried to be cool.Apr 20 23:55
DavidGerardmicrosoft is not cool.Apr 20 23:55
DavidGerardapple is cool.Apr 20 23:55
DavidGerardthey're definitely agents of Satan and Steve Jobs wants your soul and worshipApr 20 23:55
DavidGerardbut their stuff is actually *good*Apr 20 23:55
schestowitzDavidGerard: "Do you feel like you're screwing a porcupine and you're one prick against thousands?" the OSCON audience member asked Ramji. Ramji politely replied: "It takes time to change and I knew that I'd be unpopular when I took this job..." http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/...Apr 20 23:56
DavidGerardfeatures are one thing - but the most important feature of the iphone is that the user doesn't want to smash it to a million little pieces with a toffee hammerApr 20 23:56
schestowitzTranslationApr 20 23:56
schestowitzI was asked to be the devilApr 20 23:56
schestowitzit paid wellApr 20 23:56
schestowitzSo I said hell yeahApr 20 23:56
DavidGerardwho was the one before ramji?Apr 20 23:56
schestowitzIOW, Ramji is a greedy "prick"Apr 20 23:56
DavidGerardbill something - hilf?Apr 20 23:56
schestowitzHilfApr 20 23:56
DavidGerardwell, people don't work for microsoft for charitable urgesApr 20 23:57
schestowitzReminds me of someone with a similar surnameApr 20 23:57
schestowitzHe ran awayApr 20 23:57
schestowitzLike Martin TaylorApr 20 23:57
schestowitzAnd the other anti-Linux guysApr 20 23:57
schestowitzSam Ramji is hated by FOSS peopleApr 20 23:57
schestowitzThey don't tell it to his faceApr 20 23:57
schestowitzSome tell me privatelyApr 20 23:57
DavidGerardi'm sure he's nice to small children and puppies.Apr 20 23:57
schestowitzIn his jobs he's like this waitress annoying you to get a tipApr 20 23:58
DavidGerardbut trusting him as his employer's representative is another matter.Apr 20 23:58
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DavidGerardi'm sure when he quits he'll have a lot more friendsApr 20 23:58
schestowitzYesApr 20 23:58
schestowitzWell, he might get sackedApr 20 23:58
DavidGerardthe question now is: the sam ramji resignation pool!Apr 20 23:58
schestowitzY'know, work reductions at MSApr 20 23:58
schestowitzAlso in the news today...Apr 20 23:58
DavidGerardand will he jump or be pushed?Apr 20 23:58
schestowitzHas Microsoft lost its war on open source? < http://www.itworld.com/open-source/66652/ha... >Apr 20 23:59
schestowitzTHat was written by one of the MS goonsApr 20 23:59
schestowitzTho writes about FOSSApr 20 23:59
schestowitzAnd about MS+FOSSApr 20 23:59
schestowitzShe's one of the reason I quit IDGApr 20 23:59
schestowitzI left CNET tooApr 20 23:59
schestowitzRubbish pressApr 20 23:59

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