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| schestowitz | Sardine? | Apr 28 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Is that the logo? | Apr 28 14:12 |
| oiaohm | No the isntaller is 10 megs | Apr 28 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Some of Microsoft's latest failures: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | Apr 28 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes 10 megs of disk space and it works. | Apr 28 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Some of Microsoft's latest failures: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | Apr 28 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Nice list. | Apr 28 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Now what would be warped is running a poll on the next prediced MS department to go. | Apr 28 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 offers nothing of substance over Vista, it seems like everything they're bragging about is also being backported | Apr 28 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | including DirectX 11 | Apr 28 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm still waiting to see exactly what they say you're buying | Apr 28 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | this smells of another Windows Me | Apr 28 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Most likely. | Apr 28 14:18 |
| oiaohm | From the pictures I saw of windows 8 it very much looked like the .net prototype OS ms has been working on. | Apr 28 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Every time they do a complete change its a mess. | Apr 28 14:19 |
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| DaemonFC | well, the new .Net is being backported, the new DirectX is being backported, the new Windows Media Player is being backported, and the new Internet Explorer HAS been backported | Apr 28 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | so really what else is there? | Apr 28 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah, and performance is pretty much exactly the same | Apr 28 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like they're really selling Windows Mojave | Apr 28 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 28 14:20 |
| oiaohm | MS is really in a end game. | Apr 28 14:21 |
| oiaohm | You have seen the costs quoted to build Linux. | Apr 28 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Its a scary ammount of money to build a OS. | Apr 28 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Truely sorting out windows would eat up a large sections of MS bank account. | Apr 28 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | no, Vista is a radical departure from XP, and not all of it is bad, but they really soured the deal with the extra DRM and not optimizing any of it | Apr 28 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | product activation in XP RTM wasn't really all that invasive and you only had to do it once, but Vista always suspects that you really stole it and are trying to pull a fast one | Apr 28 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | I think XP's product activation stopped all the "pirates" the thing was every going to stop | Apr 28 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | and Vista's just went entirely too far | Apr 28 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | *ever | Apr 28 14:25 |
| oiaohm | XP product activation worries me. | Apr 28 14:26 |
| oiaohm | What will happen at end of life. | Apr 28 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has already decided that | Apr 28 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | they said before it is end of lifed, they'll provide a tool to remove the product activator | Apr 28 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt XP will be of any value on a new system come the middle of 2014 | Apr 28 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't doubt them | Apr 28 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Is Microsoft Live Dead Yet? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04... | Apr 28 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | to refuse to reactivate it on a handful of ancient systems that can't run Windows 7/8 at that point would just anger customers and possibly provoke them to not buy Windows next time | Apr 28 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | so it would make more sense for them to just disable the activator then abandon XP | Apr 28 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft supported Windows 3.1 in some forms til 2005 and I don't see any high demand to "pirate" that | Apr 28 14:30 |
| schestowitz | RMS would need to wear a suit and say words like "innovation" to be taken seriously :-) | Apr 28 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | so when they ditch XP it'll be the same age as 3.1 was | Apr 28 14:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: is there any real PLAN (lime INNOVA~) for Vista8? | Apr 28 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Or is it another coat of paint? | Apr 28 14:32 |
| schestowitz | A la Vista7? | Apr 28 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Nothing about security | Apr 28 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Nothing about advantage | Apr 28 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Just 'newer' | Apr 28 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, speculation has it that IE 8 will be the last Internet Explorer to use Trident | Apr 28 14:32 |
| schestowitz | More vapourware | Apr 28 14:32 |
| schestowitz | More purchases | Apr 28 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | apparently they are cooking up something new | Apr 28 14:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ie8 is a pig | Apr 28 14:32 |
| schestowitz | resource pig | Apr 28 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Not that I tried, I saw benhies | Apr 28 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8 is a lot faster on Vista than XP | Apr 28 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not just saying that, it is | Apr 28 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | I ran it through Sunspider in XP and vista | Apr 28 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's almsot twice as fast on scripting in Vista | Apr 28 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | they obviously didn't go through a great deal of trouble to make it work well on XP | Apr 28 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8 on XP is a bad port, and some of it is really just not there because XP isn't capable, and some of it was left out on purpose even though it would have been trivial to add | Apr 28 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | again, I don't like IE but some things it does make more sense than say Firefox | Apr 28 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox makes it really easy to write a bad add-on that gets no testing and can do all kinds of horrible things to the browser | Apr 28 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Windows 3.11 users run out of applciations for that were modern. | Apr 28 14:38 |
| oiaohm | XP is showign a lot more staying power than windows 3.11 | Apr 28 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox add-ons are easier to write so all the substandard add-on writers make add-ons for that | Apr 28 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | XP really doesn't scale well | Apr 28 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | there was a X86-64 version (I have that) but it was never for retail sale | Apr 28 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | so most people never got a copy | Apr 28 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Firefox covered up the interal choas of the javascript with simple to write addons. | Apr 28 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | if nothing else stops XP, then the bitrot and the no support for more than 2.8 gigs of RAM on a system with a modern video card will | Apr 28 14:41 |
| oiaohm | With virtualisation to run side by side you don't need it to scale well. | Apr 28 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | you really should dig up a copy of the X86-64 version of any OS | Apr 28 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | if the goal is to run well on a modern system | Apr 28 14:41 |
| oiaohm | I have a copy of XP 64bit and Vista 64 bit. | Apr 28 14:41 |
| oiaohm | MS registered partner you are talking to. | Apr 28 14:42 |
| oiaohm | I got them extreamly cheeply. | Apr 28 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | XP is better for raw performance | Apr 28 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | Vista is better for networking, audio stack, etc. | Apr 28 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | multithreading is also much better on Vista than XP can give you | Apr 28 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | brings me back to XP runs well on old machines because they are old machines | Apr 28 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | and don't need it to scale | Apr 28 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | you're crazy or stupid to really seriously want to run XP on any new system you get | Apr 28 14:43 |
| oiaohm | XP comes on new netbooks. | Apr 28 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not wild over Vista, but again, XP does not scale | Apr 28 14:44 |
| oiaohm | And most likely will be still on them until 2012 at least. | Apr 28 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | if you have an old system I encourage you to stay on XP if you have it and like it because Vista will indeed hurt more than help | Apr 28 14:44 |
| so what? | Apr 28 14:44 | |
| oiaohm | So that means from new machines to end of life is 2 years. | Apr 28 14:44 |
| xp on netbooks sucks | Apr 28 14:44 | |
| DaemonFC | no, it means that PC's have undergone rapid expansion and XP cannot cope with that | Apr 28 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 is still sucking more on them. | Apr 28 14:45 |
| xp on desktops sucks too, but it really sucks on a netbook | Apr 28 14:45 | |
| gnu/linux is better | Apr 28 14:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Windows Vista was not designed with netbooks in mind | Apr 28 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | it is far too much for them to handle | Apr 28 14:45 |
| I'm not sure you could call the way Vista was built "design" | Apr 28 14:46 | |
| DaemonFC | netbooks have puny 32-bit processors, maybe 1 Ghz, maybe 512 megs of RAM | Apr 28 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | that really does sound like something from 6-8 years ago on a desktop | Apr 28 14:46 |
| this laptop has a puny PIII, Debian works great on it. | Apr 28 14:46 | |
| why would I even think about windows? | Apr 28 14:47 | |
| DaemonFC | well, on a Pentium 3 that's the least of your worries | Apr 28 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | I agree | Apr 28 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 28 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't really enjoy using anything non-trivial on a Pentium 3 | Apr 28 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | You can force a copy of Linux on it, but it has to be fairly stripped and contrived | Apr 28 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | really no different than throwing an old copy of Windows on it from a performance perspective | Apr 28 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Pentium 3 is not that slow. | Apr 28 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | Linux is really too good for a Pentium 3 | Apr 28 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Linux desktops really are bloated. | Apr 28 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | you need to lobotomize it to get it to work well cause the hardware can't use any of the new/cool/modern stuff | Apr 28 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Not realy | Apr 28 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | well, all operating systems are "bloated" more and more | Apr 28 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Pentium3 running xfce is not bad. | Apr 28 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | they have to be because the hardware is more capable | Apr 28 14:49 |
| oiaohm | But common like kde and gnome hurt. | Apr 28 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | XFCE= My condolences | Apr 28 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | I tried it and found I got the same performance, but the desktop was far too anemic | Apr 28 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | 1 GB RAM is like the price of a take out pizza | Apr 28 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's obscenely cheap | Apr 28 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu XFCE? There alterations doubled it ram usage and halfed it speed in placed. | Apr 28 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | arguing over RAM anymore is basically like complaining about fuel mileage on a car that runs on water | Apr 28 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | I filled all the sockets just to have it | Apr 28 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | cause it beats having the OS hitting the swap file | Apr 28 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Lower the processor the more important not hitting swap is. | Apr 28 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | if you have 4 GB of RAM, it'll cost you about $32 | Apr 28 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | and no OS including Vista will easily overrun it | Apr 28 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Computer would is to the stage calulators were a long time ago. | Apr 28 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Remember they were costly from top to bottom. These days bottom models are less than 10 dollars for a calulator. | Apr 28 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | the time to complain over RAM was 10 years ago, when Windows 98 wanted 64 megs and your Windows 95 system had 16 megs, and the new RAM was about $200 | Apr 28 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 28 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Difference is now device markers are wanting to bring the entry level price down. | Apr 28 14:55 |
| oiaohm | So in 10 years time a entry level machine might be 10 dollars. | Apr 28 14:55 |
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| DaemonFC | there's a market flooded with lots of competition and more gadgets than people actually want to buy | Apr 28 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | the markup is going down | Apr 28 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | and the manufacturing process is more sound | Apr 28 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | every time you add a competitor, the price goes down | Apr 28 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Lower failure rates equal lower manufacturing costs. | Apr 28 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | if there was 5-6 companies making operating systems and competing fiercely | Apr 28 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | the OS would be a $15 afterthought too | Apr 28 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Embed Linux price is less than that. | Apr 28 14:57 |
| oiaohm | You are lucky to get 5 dollars for a embed OS. | Apr 28 14:57 |
| oiaohm | What is going on is the embeded makers are producing items to compete with desktop makers. | Apr 28 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/2... | Apr 28 14:59 |
| schestowitz | > "<DaemonFC> Vista is better for networking, audio stack, etc." | Apr 28 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Very much the opposite | Apr 28 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | XP's audio stack was interrupt driven, not timer driven, it blasted the audio to all possible endpoints | Apr 28 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | it was basically a mess to deal with and introduced artifacts | Apr 28 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | and was totally inappropriate for raw audio editing | Apr 28 15:02 |
| schestowitz | DRM messes things up | Apr 28 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, well, I don't use files with DRM | Apr 28 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | I said raw audio | Apr 28 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | XP was garbage for that | Apr 28 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Why Vista sounds worse < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology... > | Apr 28 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Linux audio stack is not perfect. | Apr 28 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's obvious that the way the Mac OS handles audio is better because Vista did it, and now ALSA and Pulseaudio are both trying to follow along | Apr 28 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | and introducing much pain for users of that | Apr 28 15:04 |
| Uhh, guys, this PIII runs great. E16 with accelerated video. It runs everything just fine under Lenny and I used Etch to do my thesis writing. I'm not sure anyone would call that "stripped down" | Apr 28 15:04 | |
| oiaohm | Linux has a major nightmare in kernel. | Apr 28 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Lack of threaded interperts so you cannot override a incoming interp for audio. | Apr 28 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | ALSA and Pulse both have a lot of bugs, and buggy apps that expect the bugs in current and older versions of Pulse and ALSA don't help | Apr 28 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's cauing users to prefer the 90's style sound system behavior | Apr 28 15:05 |
| I have not noticed any of that. :) | Apr 28 15:05 | |
| oiaohm | Pulse audio follows the long tradition of usermode audio server. | Apr 28 15:06 |
| oiaohm | I hope they give it up soon. | Apr 28 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | trying to make Linux into a low latency system period is pretty ugly | Apr 28 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | you expose a lot of long time bugs that stay hidden so well when the system is not preemptible ;) | Apr 28 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | it can even disturb device drivers | Apr 28 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | and cause them to make the system halt | Apr 28 15:07 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of the not preemptible stuff is slowly disappearing. | Apr 28 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | progress is being made, but not quickly, even they admit that a lot of it is caused by old code that was not well written and is poorly documented | Apr 28 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | that all depends on the big kernel lock | Apr 28 15:08 |
| oiaohm | big kernel lock is a fairly major bit. | Apr 28 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | they rewrote a lot of the ReiserFS file system driver in 2.6.30 | Apr 28 15:09 |
| oiaohm | But there are others just as bad. | Apr 28 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | because it was either that or ditch it | Apr 28 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Interpet handling is still stone age in Linux. | Apr 28 15:10 |
| oiaohm | As more of the real time tree merges things will get better. | Apr 28 15:10 |
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| oiaohm | There is also a BLK in the way Linux handles mount and unmounting filesystems. | Apr 28 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | people are trying to make Linux do things it was not intended for | Apr 28 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Torvalds has a sense of humor about that though | Apr 28 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 28 15:18 |
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| oiaohm | Most of the things that stuff up RT are also stuffing up large servers. | Apr 28 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Some of the BLK removeds have double performance of massive machines. | Apr 28 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://answers.yahoo.com/quest... | Apr 28 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | "My connection is 54 Mbps, so it shouldn't be a problem.." | Apr 28 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Apr 28 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Seen bigger. | Apr 28 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | my connection is 1,000 MBps B-) | Apr 28 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | cause that's what the adapter says! | Apr 28 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | idiots | Apr 28 15:21 |
| oiaohm | I have been on a firber connection 40GBps | Apr 28 15:22 |
| oiaohm | That was nice and I miss it. | Apr 28 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | dear god | Apr 28 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe this | Apr 28 15:23 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/... | Apr 28 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | SP2 is not even out yet and they're patching it | Apr 28 15:25 |
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| mib_pyj2r1 | never did like the attitude of Mikro$quash | Apr 28 15:29 |
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| mib_pyj2r1 | Suse for all it is worth, isn't really that great | Apr 28 15:30 |
| mib_pyj2r1 | started in Red-Hat Fedora, found Debian more to my liking when it would become the only thing that worked on a Sun Ultra box | Apr 28 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Charles McCreevy is Still Advancing Software Patents in Europe < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/... > | Apr 28 15:32 |
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| DaemonFC | oh that's funny | Apr 28 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | now my system isn't sayign Evaluation Copy anymore | Apr 28 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 28 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://img48.imageshack.us/img48... | Apr 28 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Apple and Microsoft for software patents: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/2... | Apr 28 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I offered to redesign our library's website and audio book system and never heard back from them | Apr 28 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | even told them I'd do it for free | Apr 28 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if I could file a lawsuit against them | Apr 28 16:29 |
| schestowitz | What was their problem? | Apr 28 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Was it bribed $20 million by Microsoft like the lIb. of Congress? | Apr 28 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.huntingtonpub.lib.in.us/ | Apr 28 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | using 1.5 MB 2,204 x 1,364 pixel jpegs for thumbnails? | Apr 28 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Maps by Microsoft | Apr 28 16:30 |
| schestowitz | (Expedia) | Apr 28 16:30 |
| schestowitz | What are they, pimps for Ballmer? | Apr 28 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0"> | Apr 28 16:31 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.huntingtonpub.lib.in.u... | Apr 28 16:31 |
| schestowitz | So big, yet so small | Apr 28 16:31 |
| schestowitz | And so slow for modem users | Apr 28 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | been like that for years | Apr 28 16:32 |
| schestowitz | On what basis can one sue them? | Apr 28 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | I pay taxes | Apr 28 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Crappiness in Web design? | Apr 28 16:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I see..... | Apr 28 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | those taxes pay for non-interoperable formats on their site | Apr 28 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Well, taxes are still low | Apr 28 16:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: which formats? | Apr 28 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | the supreme court has ruled that you have standing to sue the government as a taxpayer | Apr 28 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | DRM'd WMA audio books | Apr 28 16:33 |
| schestowitz | What books is in their posssession? | Apr 28 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | Frontpage generated proprietary HTML | Apr 28 16:33 |
| schestowitz | I always wonder how much selection of books and curriculum can affect perception | Apr 28 16:34 |
| schestowitz | People's understanding ofd historey | Apr 28 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Nothing about genocide at dawn of the nation, religious zealotry of the founding father and invasion/expansionism | Apr 28 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | they had no books about any Linux distribution til I turned in a book request for several | Apr 28 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft sends them Windows/Office training stuff for free | Apr 28 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Each country has its share of embarrassment it won't teach | Apr 28 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | Propaganistic perspective of history, to keep kids patriotic and loyal before they are hard to control | Apr 28 16:35 |
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| DaemonFC | of course | Apr 28 16:35 |
| schestowitz | The poll/brainwash cycle.. like a man dipping a foot in a cold pool. | Apr 28 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Do we have public support for Kuwait? | Apr 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz | No? | Apr 28 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | public opinion surveys are almost always push pulls | Apr 28 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | designed to make you read their side of the view in a paragraph | Apr 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Let's have a girl stage a crying act where we train her to tell lies :-) | Apr 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz | I only recently found out about it BTW | Apr 28 16:36 |
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| DaemonFC | Zogby does that all the time | Apr 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's polls and Novell's too are push polls | Apr 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz | They got caught | Apr 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Also anti-Google polls | Apr 28 16:37 |
| schestowitz | ISO is corrupt too. Push poll for OOXML. | Apr 28 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | "Given that President Obama wants to raise taxes (On what?) for what has been called unnecessary spending (by Who?), do you agree with him? | Apr 28 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 28 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, sure | Apr 28 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | that's not biaed :P | Apr 28 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | *biased | Apr 28 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know the deal | Apr 28 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Some people make a career from that stuff | Apr 28 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Mastering the art of art manipulation and cooking financial results/polls/etc | Apr 28 16:38 |
| _boo_ | everything is corrupt in this world... | Apr 28 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans basically want to frame it in your mind as "Obama wants to raise your taxes by 20,000% to give to a newly married interracial gay couple who are burning the American flag and members of Al-Qaeda " | Apr 28 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | and they'll lie and cheat to make you believe that | Apr 28 16:39 |
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| _boo_ | lol | Apr 28 16:39 |
| _boo_ | may be it's like that actually? | Apr 28 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I allege that the Republicans are full of shit? | Apr 28 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 28 16:40 |
| _boo_ | noo? | Apr 28 16:40 |
| _boo_ | obama is just less shitty than gore in some cases | Apr 28 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they are so unbelievably bad at lying, it proves how many stupid people there are by the fact that they have any support? | Apr 28 16:40 |
| _boo_ | lol, every politician is LYING | Apr 28 16:41 |
| _boo_ | and i spelled LYING in caps on purpose | Apr 28 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | meh, I feel a lot safer with the Democrats in the majority | Apr 28 16:41 |
| _boo_ | lol, you can't feel yourself safe in this world | Apr 28 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans have torn down the First, Fourth, and Fifth amendments | Apr 28 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | in under 8 years | Apr 28 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | and have tried to go after the 14th as well | Apr 28 16:42 |
| _boo_ | what's that amendments? | Apr 28 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | freedom of speech, freedom from/of religion (depending on context, the right to be secure in your person or effects (no unwarranted search and seizures), the right to have a fair trial and not be compelled to testify against yourself, the right to representation by legal counsel | Apr 28 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | and the supremacy of the Federal government over the states | Apr 28 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | they've attacked, viciously, the core principles of the Constitution | Apr 28 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | and then have the gall to say they want to protect it | Apr 28 16:44 |
| _boo_ | dude, you can't rule a country that has several religions in it | Apr 28 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | bastards | Apr 28 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | *spits* | Apr 28 16:44 |
| _boo_ | it's just dumb | Apr 28 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | no, the first amendment says the government will not push religion of any kind | Apr 28 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | it establishes that the government is secular and neutral | Apr 28 16:45 |
| _boo_ | freedom of speech... that's just lol... EVERY government suppressed it ALWAYS | Apr 28 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | and not to be hijacked by the religious elements | Apr 28 16:45 |
| _boo_ | the government should enforce christianity | Apr 28 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | hell no | Apr 28 16:45 |
| _boo_ | if it's european or there is majority of white | Apr 28 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | I will never be a part of that, I refuse to acknowledge that they have any right to tell me how to live | Apr 28 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | and if I had my say, they'd be put in a rocket and fired into the sun | Apr 28 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | so they should be glad there are laws | Apr 28 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 28 16:46 |
| _boo_ | religion in every country should be only 1 | Apr 28 16:46 |
| _boo_ | what do you prefer | Apr 28 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | Equal Protection anyone? | Apr 28 16:46 |
| _boo_ | christianity or islam? | Apr 28 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | due process? | Apr 28 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | I went to the hospital once and they asked me if I had a religious preference, I told them "Yes, I prefer they never invented any such thing" | Apr 28 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 28 16:47 |
| _boo_ | you don't even imagine what the world will look like if they never invented such thing | Apr 28 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | we'd be at least several hundred years more advanced | Apr 28 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | technologically | Apr 28 16:48 |
| _boo_ | nope | Apr 28 16:49 |
| _boo_ | this world won't even exist XD | Apr 28 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | they murdered scientists for hundreds of years | Apr 28 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | burnt them at the stake | Apr 28 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | crucified them | Apr 28 16:49 |
| _boo_ | side effects | Apr 28 16:49 |
| _boo_ | people were just not ready yet | Apr 28 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | religious oppression is responsible for most of the bad things in this world | Apr 28 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's still entirely man-made | Apr 28 16:49 |
| _boo_ | nope | Apr 28 16:49 |
| _boo_ | side effects are man-implemented | Apr 28 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | you don't want to know what the world would be like without Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny | Apr 28 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | oh wait.... | Apr 28 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 28 16:50 |
| _boo_ | they are nothing | Apr 28 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | same as this god fellow | Apr 28 16:50 |
| _boo_ | nope? | Apr 28 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | entirely a work of fiction | Apr 28 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | for simple little minds :) | Apr 28 16:50 |
| _boo_ | you just don't wanna know him | Apr 28 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | tell you what | Apr 28 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | tell him I'm in the phone book | Apr 28 16:51 |
| _boo_ | and yeah... there are plenty of little minds with religion or not | Apr 28 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | give me a call and say "Hey, this is God, I exist" | Apr 28 16:51 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 28 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe work some crowds with fish and bread? | Apr 28 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it | Apr 28 16:51 |
| _boo_ | you're not capable to do that | Apr 28 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | I pray to Joe Pesci | Apr 28 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | same 50% success ratio | Apr 28 16:52 |
| _boo_ | who's dat | Apr 28 16:52 |
| _boo_ | XD | Apr 28 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.realmofdarkness.net/sounds... | Apr 28 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Apr 28 16:53 |
| _boo_ | you don't even imagine what darkness it | Apr 28 16:53 |
| _boo_ | is | Apr 28 16:53 |
| _boo_ | and it still goes allright with the god :) | Apr 28 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | blah blah blah | Apr 28 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, I need to take a leak | Apr 28 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | Jeebus be with you | Apr 28 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 28 16:55 |
| _boo_ | i'm not yet ready to leak | Apr 28 16:55 |
| _boo_ | not enough gin-tonic drunk | Apr 28 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o... | Apr 28 16:56 |
| _boo_ | XD | Apr 28 16:56 |
| _boo_ | black cats are cool | Apr 28 16:57 |
| schestowitz | It rurns out we made FP of Reddit yesterday: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8fv... | Apr 28 16:59 |
| _boo_ | wtf... | Apr 28 17:01 |
| _boo_ | debian is sane | Apr 28 17:01 |
| _boo_ | i even installed it into my mostly windows-insanity box | Apr 28 17:01 |
| _boo_ | to keep things balanced | Apr 28 17:02 |
| _boo_ | lol... m$ novell | Apr 28 17:03 |
| schestowitz | I've just posted about Obamaa[sic]'s pick from Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/28/... | Apr 28 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I used to be a manager at Walmart, I used to be a manager at Rent-A-Center | Apr 28 17:04 |
| _boo_ | XD "Microsoft Linux is now being called Windows 8." | Apr 28 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | if I took a job after that does that make me a spy or a shill? | Apr 28 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | the guy that worked at Microsoft worked at Microsoft cause he was getting a paycheck, it's a job, and he needed a job | Apr 28 17:05 |
| _boo_ | nooo | Apr 28 17:05 |
| _boo_ | he needed money | Apr 28 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't say that automatically makes him a suspect | Apr 28 17:05 |
| _boo_ | not a job | Apr 28 17:05 |
| _boo_ | yup | Apr 28 17:05 |
| schestowitz | g2g bbl | Apr 28 17:06 |
| _boo_ | he's overaddicted to m$ <-- suspect | Apr 28 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | there's arguments for closed source software as well | Apr 28 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | neither model is perfect, both have benefits | Apr 28 17:06 |
| _boo_ | arguments? | Apr 28 17:07 |
| _boo_ | do you want software to be closed source? | Apr 28 17:07 |
| _boo_ | DO YOU WANT software to be closed source? (to put it in another words) | Apr 28 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | well, if Microsoft dropped DRM, got rid of "activation", and charged a fair price, it would get rid of most of my disgust of them | Apr 28 17:07 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 28 17:08 |
| _boo_ | you're living in a fictional world | Apr 28 17:08 |
| _boo_ | just like me | Apr 28 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | 90% of my problem with Microsoft is in those three things | Apr 28 17:08 |
| _boo_ | but mine is medieval | Apr 28 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | not really cause I care about their source code | Apr 28 17:08 |
| trmanco | hi all | Apr 28 17:08 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 28 17:09 |
| _boo_ | hi | Apr 28 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | OK, lets imagine Windows Vista had no DRM for anything, no activation, and cost $50 | Apr 28 17:09 |
| _boo_ | it's easy to care about source code when there's none | Apr 28 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | I think you'd see a lot of complaints agaisnt them go away | Apr 28 17:09 |
| _boo_ | mkay, it has no payments and drm and activation | Apr 28 17:10 |
| _boo_ | only complaints? | Apr 28 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | source code is not necessarily something that most people have any reason to care about | Apr 28 17:10 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 28 17:10 |
| _boo_ | yet another lol | Apr 28 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | you can give yourself a hair cut in the mirror for free, but most people would rather pay a barber $10 | Apr 28 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't you agree? | Apr 28 17:11 |
| _boo_ | i don't pay a barber | Apr 28 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | just an example | Apr 28 17:11 |
| _boo_ | my hair are long | Apr 28 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing wrong with paying someone else to do something for you | Apr 28 17:12 |
| _boo_ | and it's 4$ payment here | Apr 28 17:12 |
| _boo_ | noooo? | Apr 28 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | what is wrong is this system of DRM and patents | Apr 28 17:12 |
| _boo_ | you did the wrong thing | Apr 28 17:12 |
| _boo_ | completely wrong example | Apr 28 17:12 |
| _boo_ | i think that every1 should make anything concerned with himself himself | Apr 28 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say that buying closed source software in itself is no more unethical than buying a pre-assembled car | Apr 28 17:13 |
| _boo_ | unless it's not personal | Apr 28 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | or a pre-assembled house | Apr 28 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | or a bottle of soda that you don't know how to make yourself | Apr 28 17:13 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC | Apr 28 17:13 |
| _boo_ | i think quite different | Apr 28 17:13 |
| _boo_ | it's like buying a jewel hand made | Apr 28 17:14 |
| _boo_ | but it SHOULD BE JEWEL | Apr 28 17:14 |
| _boo_ | NOT YET ANOTHER SHIT! | Apr 28 17:14 |
| _boo_ | to make money | Apr 28 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | do I have the expertise or the time or the will to debug an OS I built from source? | Apr 28 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | maybe, but I bet most people don't | Apr 28 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | or treat it as a hobby | Apr 28 17:14 |
| _boo_ | nope | Apr 28 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | or just don't have any reason to care | Apr 28 17:15 |
| _boo_ | and you don't | Apr 28 17:15 |
| _boo_ | you can't expertise linux kernel | Apr 28 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | using Ubuntu is no different from Windows on that level | Apr 28 17:15 |
| _boo_ | nope? | Apr 28 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | in that someone else sends you binary blobs and you just passively install them | Apr 28 17:15 |
| _boo_ | you just can't distinguish | Apr 28 17:15 |
| _boo_ | dude, there're addicted source hackers | Apr 28 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | you're along for the ride, not steering anything | Apr 28 17:16 |
| _boo_ | idk what that means | Apr 28 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | if they decide to do something incredibly stupid, you can switch operating systems | Apr 28 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | or live with it | Apr 28 17:16 |
| _boo_ | yup | Apr 28 17:17 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC, i'm not completely against windows | Apr 28 17:17 |
| _boo_ | it should exist, but with 5% share | Apr 28 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | Windows exists now for the same reason people bought it vs. proprietary UNIX | Apr 28 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | in 1990 | Apr 28 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | too many varieties of Linux, all with different bugs, all with different implementation gaps and configuration settings, support options, and levels of incompatibility with one another | Apr 28 17:19 |
| _boo_ | and wtf? | Apr 28 17:19 |
| _boo_ | and not unix | Apr 28 17:19 |
| _boo_ | mac os rather | Apr 28 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | same deal with proprietary UNIX 20 years ago | Apr 28 17:19 |
| _boo_ | no? | Apr 28 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | the problem is the same | Apr 28 17:19 |
| _boo_ | o nope? | Apr 28 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | that Linux is a loosely defined concept | Apr 28 17:19 |
| _boo_ | that's lousy to say | Apr 28 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | there is no authority on it, and if there is, it's a matter of who you want to listen to | Apr 28 17:20 |
| trmanco | well, I would love to see any windows version run 100% with it's own generic drivers | Apr 28 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | and consortium's and committees give us things like OpenGL 3 | Apr 28 17:20 |
| _boo_ | it won't and it will not even deal with multimedia | Apr 28 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | years late and features stripped | Apr 28 17:20 |
| _boo_ | lol, there should not be closed source dx | Apr 28 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | DirectX has advanced because only one place can decide what it will be | Apr 28 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | not dozens of companies slugging it out | Apr 28 17:21 |
| _boo_ | people who make sw for it should be just brainwashed | Apr 28 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | reducing it to the lowest common denominator | Apr 28 17:21 |
| _boo_ | but dude | Apr 28 17:22 |
| _boo_ | will it be better if there's a standard | Apr 28 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL 3 is a shell of what it was supposed to be | Apr 28 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | years late | Apr 28 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | with no real incentives to use it | Apr 28 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | you had the CAD people against the video game companies | Apr 28 17:22 |
| _boo_ | STANDARD? | Apr 28 17:22 |
| _boo_ | there should be more than 1 STANDARD | Apr 28 17:22 |
| _boo_ | at least 2 | Apr 28 17:22 |
| _boo_ | BUT they should be OPEN | Apr 28 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, just as soon as many people with incompatible objectives tel lyou what the new standard is | Apr 28 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | you can go ahead and use a safe and portable subset of it | Apr 28 17:23 |
| _boo_ | COMPLETELY | Apr 28 17:23 |
| _boo_ | dude, if you can make a jewel, make it | Apr 28 17:23 |
| _boo_ | and it should not be prohibited | Apr 28 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I'm saying ,there is one OpenGL "standard", but there's so many people fighting over control of the steering wheel | Apr 28 17:23 |
| _boo_ | but dx is no jewel | Apr 28 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia and ATI are in the back screaming "Are we there yet?" and kicking the seat | Apr 28 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 28 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | and that's what caused the OpenGL 3 suckfest | Apr 28 17:24 |
| _boo_ | i think that ati is kicking nvidia | Apr 28 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | nah | Apr 28 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | ATI has no hardware that good | Apr 28 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | theirs doesn't even support CUDS or Physics processing | Apr 28 17:25 |
| _boo_ | REALLY? | Apr 28 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | ATI is at least a generation behind Nvidia | Apr 28 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | *CUDA | Apr 28 17:25 |
| _boo_ | cuda is nvidia | Apr 28 17:25 |
| _boo_ | ati has smth else | Apr 28 17:25 |
| _boo_ | i don't remember the name | Apr 28 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | and they use the documented slow and buggy Direct Rendering Manager in X | Apr 28 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | which is another $20,000 toilet seat in itself | Apr 28 17:25 |
| _boo_ | dude, ati was cheaper when i bought some hd4870 | Apr 28 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | that's my point, you either deal with an evil monopoly, or compromised standards that are all done by committee and leave huge chunks undefined\ | Apr 28 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they have to be cheaper | Apr 28 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | cause that's kind of all they have | Apr 28 17:26 |
| _boo_ | and it performed much better than corresponding nvidias | Apr 28 17:27 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 28 17:27 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC, you're still dealing with proprietarity | Apr 28 17:27 |
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| *DaemonFC still likes having a combined GPU/PPSU with full DirectX 10.1 and OpenGL 3 compliance | Apr 28 17:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | *PPU | Apr 28 17:27 |
| _boo_ | what's dat | Apr 28 17:28 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.techrepubli... | Apr 28 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | ATI is still selling DirectX 10.0/OpenGL 2 hardware with no Physics Processing Unit | Apr 28 17:28 |
| _boo_ | it has that unit | Apr 28 17:28 |
| _boo_ | PhysX | Apr 28 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | which is why I said, they're cheap because they sell substandard parts | Apr 28 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | I can go buy vulcanized rubber pulleys to replace aluminum ones on my car | Apr 28 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | they're half the price because they're not good parts | Apr 28 17:29 |
| _boo_ | what's alluminium pulleys? | Apr 28 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | shouting "It's cheap, it's cheap" doesn't help me really defend the reason I bought them | Apr 28 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | tensioner and idler pulleys | Apr 28 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | they make aftermarket ones out of vulcanized rubber or heat tempered plastic | Apr 28 17:30 |
| _boo_ | idk what even pulleys mean | Apr 28 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | they're no good, but they cost less | Apr 28 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | my point is that if it's cheap just because of a price war, go for it, but if it's cheap because it's cheap, then you may not want to | Apr 28 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 28 17:31 |
| _boo_ | like dude | Apr 28 17:31 |
| _boo_ | i won't buy amd | Apr 28 17:31 |
| _boo_ | but ati makes sense | Apr 28 17:31 |
| _boo_ | none of my compys were amd | Apr 28 17:32 |
| _boo_ | they were almost always losing to me | Apr 28 17:32 |
| *DaemonFC goes for Intel/Nvidia | Apr 28 17:32 | |
| DaemonFC | anyway, brb | Apr 28 17:32 |
| _boo_ | nope | Apr 28 17:32 |
| _boo_ | nvidia or ati | Apr 28 17:32 |
| _boo_ | depends on current state | Apr 28 17:32 |
| _boo_ | do you use cuda, DaemonFC? | Apr 28 17:33 |
| _boo_ | do you really think that physx matters much for 1 year at least already and 2 more? | Apr 28 17:34 |
| trmanco | very strange firefox review -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0... | Apr 28 17:56 |
| _boo_ | dude, idk what you're even talking about about ati vs nvidia | Apr 28 17:57 |
| _boo_ | like 9800 gx2 is worse than even ati 3870x2 | Apr 28 17:58 |
| _boo_ | i like how firefox updates | Apr 28 17:58 |
| _boo_ | it's lightweight | Apr 28 17:58 |
| _boo_ | and i don't have to visit some very untrusted windows.com to update browser | Apr 28 17:59 |
| _boo_ | trmanco, didn't you TRY TO IMAGINE | Apr 28 18:00 |
| _boo_ | that ff 3.0.10 is releasy | Apr 28 18:01 |
| _boo_ | and 3.5b4 is debuggy | Apr 28 18:01 |
| trmanco | what do you mean? | Apr 28 18:01 |
| _boo_ | i mean that depending on algorithms used | Apr 28 18:01 |
| _boo_ | and they are not linear most likely | Apr 28 18:01 |
| _boo_ | you can experience even less pretty results | Apr 28 18:02 |
| *DaemonFC is on Opera again for the time being | Apr 28 18:02 | |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC is a drunk | Apr 28 18:03 |
| _boo_ | i only use opera to play gladiatus online browser game | Apr 28 18:03 |
| _boo_ | with a different ip | Apr 28 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | Opera/9.64 (Windows NT 6.0; U; en) Presto/2.1.1 | Apr 28 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | there's kind of a shortage of decent browsers, (not to be confused with a shortage OF browsers) | Apr 28 18:04 |
| _boo_ | decent browsers... | Apr 28 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | you've got IE and I don't want to write an essay on why I hate it, you have Firefox (likewise), you've got Safari which has basically no extensions on Windows and requires Quicktime for media which pulls in iTunes and installs bizarre Windows services | Apr 28 18:06 |
| _boo_ | dude, i like konqueror, epiphany | Apr 28 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | you have Chrome if you don't mind complete minimalism and trust Google | Apr 28 18:06 |
| _boo_ | ff | Apr 28 18:06 |
| _boo_ | what:/ | Apr 28 18:07 |
| _boo_ | what??? | Apr 28 18:07 |
| _boo_ | i trust google? | Apr 28 18:07 |
| _boo_ | it's about ya | Apr 28 18:07 |
| _boo_ | i only trust google when it comes to job | Apr 28 18:07 |
| _boo_ | they won't steal it XD | Apr 28 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | then of course there's Opera which is probably the most well-rounded and definitely the most standards-compliant | Apr 28 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | (and fastest in some ways) | Apr 28 18:07 |
| _boo_ | not fastest | Apr 28 18:08 |
| _boo_ | but it's good | Apr 28 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | well, Firefox is a resource hog, that's my problem | Apr 28 18:08 |
| _boo_ | resource hog? | Apr 28 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | a web browser should not be taking 500 megs of RAM to simply have a few tabs open | Apr 28 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | and it's sprung more security leaks than IE, Opera, and Safari put together | Apr 28 18:08 |
| _boo_ | few tabs... 500mbs | Apr 28 18:09 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 28 18:09 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC, i use ff to go through ANY site | Apr 28 18:09 |
| _boo_ | and i don't get infected | Apr 28 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | seriously, I think the Mozilla people.....tell me what I have to smoke to put something together that backwards | Apr 28 18:09 |
| _boo_ | and i don't have to visit windows updates | Apr 28 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | right, you get your updates through Ubuntu's system | Apr 28 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 28 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | which is just an applet | Apr 28 18:10 |
| _boo_ | lol, i'm in winxp pro sp2 x64 right now | Apr 28 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | because Firefox is part of their OS | Apr 28 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Apr 28 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 28 18:10 |
| _boo_ | and i didn't pay for it | Apr 28 18:11 |
| _boo_ | ^ the only reason why i use it | Apr 28 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | most people that have XP X64 did not buy it | Apr 28 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 28 18:11 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 28 18:11 |
| _boo_ | i will not ever buy m$ product | Apr 28 18:11 |
| _boo_ | and i never did | Apr 28 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I have before but ou have to go back to like Windows Me to fiund anything I bought | Apr 28 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | and that was a $20 promotional upgrade :P | Apr 28 18:12 |
| _boo_ | wtf | Apr 28 18:12 |
| _boo_ | i won't EVER pay money to m$ | Apr 28 18:12 |
| _boo_ | and never did (again) | Apr 28 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | well, that was 9 years ago | Apr 28 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | and til XP was out, there was no product activator and I had never heard of DRM | Apr 28 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | much less seen it | Apr 28 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 28 18:13 |
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| _boo_ | 9 yo | Apr 28 18:13 |
| _boo_ | they raped ya | Apr 28 18:13 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 28 18:13 |
| _boo_ | he never heard of drm | Apr 28 18:13 |
| _boo_ | wasn't it always around? | Apr 28 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | no | Apr 28 18:14 |
| _boo_ | it's just with m$ you felt it with your ass pretty hard | Apr 28 18:14 |
| _boo_ | 'cause m$ rapes | Apr 28 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | Windows didn't even support DRM til 2000 and you never even saw anything using it for a couple years after that | Apr 28 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | DRM is a fairly recent thing | Apr 28 18:15 |
| _boo_ | yeah, they were uncapable of implementing drm | Apr 28 18:15 |
| _boo_ | just not enough brains | Apr 28 18:15 |
| _boo_ | but they wished it | Apr 28 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | not incapable of it, they just never planned on needing it | Apr 28 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 98 predated DVD | Apr 28 18:15 |
| _boo_ | ohhh yeaaah | Apr 28 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | and digital music file sharing | Apr 28 18:16 |
| _boo_ | w98 and dvd are not compatible | Apr 28 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | so nobody ever decided "Hey, we can sell this stuff in an online store and copy protect it" | Apr 28 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | no, you can play DVD on 98 | Apr 28 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | or 95 | Apr 28 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | VLC still works on Windows 95 | Apr 28 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 28 18:16 |
| _boo_ | dude... copy protect... drm... all that kinds of things make me puke | Apr 28 18:17 |
| _boo_ | i can't even argue | Apr 28 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | I said it predates the hardware, not that it was incompatible | Apr 28 18:17 |
| _boo_ | predates... | Apr 28 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | when 98 was in development, it wasn't even clear DVD would sell well | Apr 28 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | and the players were like $600 | Apr 28 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | and the movies were about $30 | Apr 28 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | and the blank discs were $20 each | Apr 28 18:18 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 28 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | there really wasn't a huge piracy ordeal in the making there :P | Apr 28 18:18 |
| _boo_ | $20 blank disks??????? | Apr 28 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Apr 28 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | $20 for ONE BLANK DVD | Apr 28 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | yes, you heard me | Apr 28 18:19 |
| _boo_ | $30 moooooovieeees? | Apr 28 18:19 |
| _boo_ | $600 for PLAAAYYEERSS? | Apr 28 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Apr 28 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | yup | Apr 28 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | recorders cost about $1,000 | Apr 28 18:19 |
| _boo_ | you're definitely living in a different world | Apr 28 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | and were the size of a tank | Apr 28 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | now anything can record them, a drive is $20, and a movie is $5 | Apr 28 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | blanks are $10 for 30 discs | Apr 28 18:20 |
| _boo_ | hm... $5 | Apr 28 18:20 |
| _boo_ | no | Apr 28 18:20 |
| _boo_ | i won't buy it | Apr 28 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 28 18:20 |
| _boo_ | everything that i could buy recently | Apr 28 18:20 |
| _boo_ | was house m.d. | Apr 28 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's what Blu Ray is for, DRM mainly | Apr 28 18:20 |
| _boo_ | and if it included russian versions of not yet released episodes | Apr 28 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | but the players for Blu Ray and HD-DVD, in 2005 | Apr 28 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | about $600 | Apr 28 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | $30 movies | Apr 28 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | $20 for a blank disc | Apr 28 18:21 |
| _boo_ | blu-ray | Apr 28 18:21 |
| _boo_ | people won't use blu-ray | Apr 28 18:21 |
| _boo_ | i'm not buying blu-ray | Apr 28 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | 20 miles to the store in the snow | Apr 28 18:21 |
