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mib_svgvsoSay goodbye to Geocities: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi...Apr 28 00:01
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mib_svgvsoAlso sales dip at MS, they only made $3bn this quarter, poor MS .....Apr 28 00:04
DaemonFConlyApr 28 00:05
DaemonFCwell, I'll gladly take it off their handsApr 28 00:05
DaemonFCif looking at it makes them feel badApr 28 00:05
mib_svgvsoNo they're disappointed they didn't make more of course.Apr 28 00:05
mib_svgvsoFirst quarterly drop in sales in 23 years .... there's hope. Maybe people are copping on...Apr 28 00:07
mib_svgvso... to the MS racket!Apr 28 00:07
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mib_svgvsoAnyone try the new Ubuntu?Apr 28 00:13
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Goblinyeah been running it since releaseApr 28 00:29
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the_mad_hattereveningApr 28 01:23
the_mad_hatterMicrovellarax - hilariousApr 28 01:24
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twitteryoApr 28 01:40
twitternice articles this morning, Roy.Apr 28 01:40
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the_mad_hatterHeh. You gotta cover this one:Apr 28 01:48
the_mad_hatterhttp://twitter.com/charlesart...Apr 28 01:48
the_mad_hatterwell, whole of The Guardian has dropped MS Office Mac and gone OpenOffice. That's 1,000+ corporate seats right there.Apr 28 01:49
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the_mad_hatterThat is just sooo hilarious!Apr 28 01:51
the_mad_hatterThe Daily Gruaniad goes OOO.Apr 28 01:53
the_mad_hatterAnd an article from Dvorak:Apr 28 01:58
the_mad_hatterhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2...Apr 28 01:59
the_mad_hatterMicrosoft Bob Rides AgainApr 28 01:59
the_mad_hatterDvorak is getting damned suspicious of Microsoft. He didn't like the Office 2007 ribbon, called it "Change for changes sake"Apr 28 02:01
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the_mad_hatterHis actual words:Apr 28 02:02
the_mad_hatterMicrosoft Bob was a gimmick. I'm thinking the "ribbon" interface and the other changes for Office 2007 were just gimmicks, too. I'm reminded of the push-button transmissions Chrysler and others tried to promote in the 1950s.Apr 28 02:02
the_mad_hatterHe's got that right.Apr 28 02:02
DaemonFCIsn't Dvorak a Mac fanboy?Apr 28 02:09
DaemonFCthose are as bad or worseApr 28 02:09
DaemonFCthere's a difference between using something bad because you are being dragged along by the world and defending and apologizing for it and the company that made itApr 28 02:10
DaemonFCI don't know how anyone can be a fan of MS or AppleApr 28 02:11
DaemonFCI can understand using it, but not promoting itApr 28 02:11
DaemonFCIn the olden days we would call this "dumbing down." The question always arises, do we need to make computing more intuitive? And a second and bigger question is, intuitive to whom? This is the real problem.Apr 28 02:13
DaemonFCI liked that part B-)Apr 28 02:13
DaemonFChttp://www.codinghorror.com/blo...Apr 28 02:30
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twitterMy computer has a nipple.  That is intuitive.  It's called Trackpoint.Apr 28 02:38
twitterWhat you do with the pointer ... that is less than intuitive, but it is easy to move the pointer.Apr 28 02:39
twitterI'm told that many people have mistaken mice for foot pedalsApr 28 02:39
DaemonFC"Microsoft has killed XP, but they put it in a fruit cellar and go down to talk to it now and then." -Me :PApr 28 02:42
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch...Apr 28 02:58
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DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watc...Apr 28 04:18
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DaemonFCschestowitz: What do you make of this? http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...Apr 28 04:39
DaemonFCI think it's a bunch of hyperbole that could have been written by Microsoft themselvesApr 28 04:40
DaemonFCboth APIs have their benefits, DirectX is somewhat faster, but OpenGL has more features and is portableApr 28 04:40
DaemonFCbut this guy acts like he's dancing on OpenGL's graveApr 28 04:41
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balzac__Just dropping to touch baseApr 28 04:53
balzac__GNU Software - You cannot imagine the Powah!!Apr 28 04:54
balzac__luckily you don't have to imagine, just try it.Apr 28 04:54
balzac__ttylApr 28 04:54
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DaemonFChttp://www.cockeyed.com/citizen/gol...Apr 28 05:09
DaemonFChehApr 28 05:09
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twitteranother fine story from the Hufington Post.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/n...Apr 28 05:30
twitterWhat a classy paper.  The author seems to think the "don't tase me bro" video is "funny" as well as this one.Apr 28 05:31
twittermeanApr 28 05:31
twitterI have not watched the video, it requires flash.Apr 28 05:32
DaemonFCuggghApr 28 05:34
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DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wik...Apr 28 05:50
DaemonFCall your base are belong to dumbass copsApr 28 05:51
twitteragain?Apr 28 05:57
twitterNYC had a plane scare today.Apr 28 05:57
DaemonFCthe police almost anyware are guaranteed to be borderline retardedApr 28 05:59
DaemonFC:)Apr 28 05:59
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twitterhttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/04...Apr 28 06:25
schestowitzHeyApr 28 06:31
schestowitzFirst the Indepndetn dumps Microsoft Office, not thr Guardian! Excellent.Apr 28 06:38
schestowitz*nowApr 28 06:38
popeynot entirely trueApr 28 06:39
schestowitzHow so?Apr 28 06:39
popeyin that they havent entirely dropped msofficeApr 28 06:39
popey(guardian)Apr 28 06:39
popeythey have a _lot_ of macs with msoffice installedApr 28 06:40
popeyand have been trialling google docsApr 28 06:40
popeybut its far from perfectApr 28 06:40
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MinceRMICROS~1 is caught using GNU/Linux again >> http://tech.slashdot.org/articl...Apr 28 06:51
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schestowitzDemocracy and militarism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6...Apr 28 07:10
schestowitzpopey: how do you know this?Apr 28 07:10
popeyschestowitz: i was about to ask what the source for your assertion they'd dropped msoffice wasApr 28 07:17
popeyi have seen the subject come up on the bbc backstage mailing list this week, not seen it elsewhereApr 28 07:18
popeya good friend of mine is a tech at guardianApr 28 07:18
schestowitzThanks.Apr 28 07:19
schestowitzYes, someone else posted a link hereApr 28 07:20
schestowitzSome twitter thingApr 28 07:20
schestowitzIt was new to meApr 28 07:20
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/charlesarthu...Apr 28 07:20
schestowitz"whole of The Guardian has dropped MS Office Mac and gone OpenOffice. That's 1,000+ corporate seats right there."Apr 28 07:20
popeyi think thats the tweet that was discussed on the bbc listApr 28 07:21
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schestowitzHoward Zinn is interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQz8...Apr 28 07:26
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schestowitzpopey: yes, possiblyApr 28 07:26
schestowitzSomeone posted it in here earlierApr 28 07:26
*amarsh04 is catching up on Jose_X's postings in linuxtoday.com talk-backs from 2 weeks agoApr 28 07:31
schestowitzHouse of corruption (CA) collaborates with MS on untrusted computing and lockin: http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/... Apr 28 07:37
schestowitzApple thinks netbooks are "junky"  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...  >Apr 28 07:38
schestowitzLandlord demands dead victim’s late rent, fees < http://www.kenoshanews.com/news/landl... >Apr 28 07:39
schestowitzPutting MADD in Charge of America's Highways < http://reason.com/news/... >. Obama is still defending the military industrial companies, the MAFIAA, and many corporations. He doesn't work for the people, he works for the party.Apr 28 07:41
schestowitzThe MAFIAA adopts the methods of the Bush cabinet. Call something "terrorist" or "pirate", then attack. http://www.afterdawn.com/news/ar...Apr 28 07:46
schestowitzThe Difference Between God and Larry Ellison? God does think he's Larry Ellison (yet).Apr 28 07:47
schestowitzhttp://www.paulgraham.com/... "I usually avoid politics, but since we now seem to have an administration that's open to suggestions, I'm going to risk making one. The single biggest thing the government could do to increase the number of startups in this country is a policy that would cost nothing: establish a new class of visa for startup founders."Apr 28 07:53
schestowitzHurricanes reduce ability of forests to store carbon  < http://www.newscientist.com/artic... >Apr 28 07:59
schestowitzChinese Instant Messaging Boom: 1.6 Billion Registered Accounts < http://www.web2asia.com/2009/04/27/c... >Apr 28 08:11
schestowitzJustice Denied for Tibetans  http://online.wsj.com/article/...Apr 28 08:13
schestowitzBig numbers: China reached more than 1 billion telephone subscribers in Q1 2009 < http://www.web2asia.com/2009/04... >Apr 28 08:13
ushimitsudoki1How about some good news? ==> I got a job today! Hooray!Apr 28 08:14
amarsh04congratulations ushimitsudoki1Apr 28 08:16
ushimitsudoki1\(0_0)/Apr 28 08:17
amarsh04last web-page from .jp I viewed: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/de...Apr 28 08:18
ushimitsudoki1amarsh04: nice - I know Miyazaki (of course), but I can't say I am familiar with Joe JisaishiApr 28 08:19
schestowitzushimitsudoki1: congrats!Apr 28 08:20
schestowitzIn Japan?Apr 28 08:20
schestowitzViral Press Officers Needed < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/ar... >Apr 28 08:20
amarsh04Joe Hisaishi wrote the music for all of Hayao Miyazaki's feature-length cartoons, and other material as wellApr 28 08:20
ushimitsudoki1schestowitz: Yes, still here in Japan - took a long timeApr 28 08:20
schestowitzIn Microsoft Okinawa? ;-)Apr 28 08:21
schestowitzgNETApr 28 08:21
ushimitsudoki1Heh, no. Though I must confess I did take the A+ certification to pump up my resume.Apr 28 08:21
ushimitsudoki1The gov't requires A+ for just about any IT workApr 28 08:22
schestowitzWhich government?Apr 28 08:22
schestowitzI mean, just to be sure on thisApr 28 08:23
schestowitzBecause the US has many bases there.Apr 28 08:23
schestowitzSo I was never sure.Apr 28 08:23
ushimitsudoki1US. My japanese is not strong enough to work in the Japanese gov't - you have to be at least JLPT 2, but in truth they will only hire JLPT 1 (and not many of those)Apr 28 08:23
schestowitzJust found this: http://telcontar.net/store/...Apr 28 08:26
ushimitsudoki1I read an assertion in an article that the whole of Novell's profits could be attributed to the MS voucher deal. That could make an interesting post.Apr 28 08:27
ushimitsudoki1Not sure where I read it though, or what the raw numbers areApr 28 08:28
schestowitzNew article?Apr 28 08:28
ushimitsudoki1Not more than 2 days ago - it was in an article about how (according to the author) it would make sense for MS to buy Novell. I don't recall much about the article, except that point jumped out at meApr 28 08:29
schestowitzThe idea is thisApr 28 08:29
ushimitsudoki1I mean to mention it earlier, but got distractedApr 28 08:29
schestowitzFor Microsoft, where Windows lost for sure (Red Hat), try to shove SUSEApr 28 08:29
schestowitzThen, indocrinate the publicApr 28 08:29
schestowitzCall Red Hat "pirate"Apr 28 08:29
schestowitzTry to fill that with IP-infected LinuxApr 28 08:29
schestowitzLike with TPBApr 28 08:29
schestowitzCall it something evilApr 28 08:30
schestowitzThen attackApr 28 08:30
schestowitzOffer a remedyApr 28 08:30
schestowitzMicrosoft is trying to change the rules of the market it competes in that waApr 28 08:30
schestowitz*wayApr 28 08:30
schestowitzushimitsudoki1: Sam Varghese?Apr 28 08:30
schestowitzITWire? Because I mentioned it alreadyApr 28 08:30
schestowitzIt's basically Microsoft propganda. Rather than describe itself as an evil abusers (like MAFIAA) it daemonises Linux describing it as some "Criminal"/"thief" and then attacks itApr 28 08:32
ushimitsudoki1schestowitz: that sounds right - I meant to focus in on that particular point though. The idea that Novell - who relies on the Microsoft vouchers entirely - to remain profitable is going to act in any way that MS does not want is ludicrous. That sort of point.Apr 28 08:32
ushimitsudoki1That's a bit different from just the other ways that MS is using Novell (which I agree MS is certainly doing)Apr 28 08:32
schestowitzWell, they get their wages from MicrosoftApr 28 08:36
schestowitzSo whether employees like Microsoft or not, their bosses/superiors will prod them to implement MOOX, not to say negative things about MS...Apr 28 08:37
schestowitzSee the blog of JoeB from OpenSource (at ZDNet)Apr 28 08:37
schestowitzHe slams Apple, Google, you name it...Apr 28 08:37
schestowitzNEVER ever Microsoft...Apr 28 08:37
ushimitsudoki1Exactly so. I think explicitly pointing out that without MS funding, Novell would be going out of business would be a powerful argument. (Assuming of course that the article I read had the facts right).Apr 28 08:38
amarsh04the Novell I remember did file/print/routing (and had DOS and UnixWare)Apr 28 08:41
amarsh04that was 15 years ago nowApr 28 08:41
schestowitzMost of the cash comes from Netware AFAIKApr 28 08:42
schestowitzBut how much Microsoft's payments help, who knows?Apr 28 08:43
schestowitzAugust 2008: another 100mlApr 28 08:43
schestowitzFor 4000 employeesApr 28 08:43
schestowitz40000x60k+other expensesApr 28 08:43
ushimitsudoki1How much revenue / profits did they post last year? How much income from vouchers? Probably in the financials. I will look later when I have time - if it's interesting I might blog on it.Apr 28 08:44
schestowitzAbout 2.4 bnApr 28 08:44
schestowitz?Apr 28 08:44
schestowitzAnnually?Apr 28 08:44
schestowitzThat can't be trueApr 28 08:44
schestowitzOopsApr 28 08:44
schestowitz4000Apr 28 08:44
schestowitzTypeApr 28 08:44
schestowitz*typo there.Apr 28 08:44
schestowitzSo Microsoft paid Novell's wages for half a year 8 months agoApr 28 08:44
schestowitzushimitsudoki1: thanks, if you can take a look that would helpApr 28 08:45
schestowitz2 of my 5 speakers just went bustApr 28 08:48
schestowitzAny advice on how to disgnose?Apr 28 08:51
ushimitsudoki1Check cables first. Swap out bad/good to see if it is the speaker or the line.Apr 28 08:52
schestowitzit's the base unitApr 28 08:53
schestowitzjust make lous bassApr 28 08:53
schestowitz*makesApr 28 08:53
schestowitzi think it smells friedApr 28 08:54
ushimitsudoki1You can test if the speaker coil is burned out by applying a DC source directly to the cone terminals and seeing if the speaker "jumps". Do this quickly and with a little voltage or you will burn out the cone for sure. This is how I test PA speakers. I don't know if I would do it on little ass computer speakers, though.Apr 28 08:55
schestowitzit's an amplifierApr 28 08:56
ushimitsudoki1You think 2 of the 5 outputs internally burnt out in the amp?Apr 28 08:56
schestowitzwell, i split the ouputApr 28 08:57
schestowitzstereo does 3Apr 28 08:57
ushimitsudoki1What was the output rated at (W/Ohm), and into what did you split it and how (parallel or series)?Apr 28 08:58
schestowitzMaybe the power supply is the causeApr 28 08:59
schestowitzIt just makes noise even for no inputApr 28 08:59
schestowitzI don't know the technical details.Apr 28 08:59
ushimitsudoki1Heh, or maybe you burned out the amp because you attached to much load to the output :)Apr 28 08:59
schestowitzProbablyApr 28 08:59
schestowitzIt's not a detachable cable thoughApr 28 08:59
schestowitzThat's the issueApr 28 08:59
schestowitzWould cost more to fix than it's worth,l I reckonApr 28 08:59
*schestowitz rearranges desk :-(Apr 28 09:10
schestowitzhttp://www.forbes.com/2009/04/27/ca... Cassatt is finishedApr 28 09:14
schestowitz"Journalism has a glass jaw these days, threatening to shatter into a million pieces with the next right hook that lands courtesy of another layoff, another closing of a daily newspaper, another inane, biased utterance from a cable news host." http://www.linuxinsider.com...Apr 28 09:18
schestowitzyesterday BN did over 50k pageviews :-)Apr 28 09:28
schestowitz(or over 400k hits)Apr 28 09:28
schestowitzhttp://www.itdatabase.com/blo...Apr 28 09:38
MinceRr4wrApr 28 09:42
schestowitzDemand for Intel Atom processors slowing < http://www.digitimes.com/news... > What would be the implications for ARM/Linux?Apr 28 09:45
MinceRdunnoApr 28 09:50
MinceRi guess retardroid subnotebooks will showApr 28 09:50
schestowitzARM+Embedded Valley=retardroids on steroidsApr 28 09:51
schestowitzUseless Google PRApr 28 09:54
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schestowitzI told Linus about it (Adroidisation of Linux... online 'shops' for binaries, DRM...)Apr 28 09:54
schestowitzGood Online Experience Leads To More Donations For Nonprofits  < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2... >Apr 28 09:54
schestowitzBiden and Obamaa[sic] will also have Google in that panel after all http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/04/2...Apr 28 09:56
MinceRdid Linus say anything about retardroid so far?Apr 28 09:56
schestowitzHopeApr 28 09:56
schestowitzBut remember, he likes TivoisationApr 28 09:56
schestowitzDigg+Google (no MSN): Google Has Digg on the Brain  http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009...Apr 28 09:58
schestowitzI may have found that memory leaker BTWApr 28 09:58
schestowitzStupid Adobe AIR maybeApr 28 09:58
schestowitzCan't confirm yet. We'll see swapping in days to comeApr 28 09:58
MinceRwhat's Embedded Valley?Apr 28 09:59
schestowitzLook it upApr 28 09:59
schestowitzWaitApr 28 10:00
schestowitzMaybe I got the name wrongApr 28 10:00
schestowitzThey are a startup doing ARM netbooksApr 28 10:00
MinceRWP doesn't know, Scroogle doesn't seem to knowApr 28 10:00
MinceRoh.Apr 28 10:00
schestowitzAhApr 28 10:00
schestowitzEmbedded AlleyApr 28 10:00
MinceRoh.Apr 28 10:00
schestowitzPress release: http://opensource.sys-con.com/...Apr 28 10:00
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schestowitzI notuce that Canonical{tm} is still cracking down on BuntuApr 28 10:02
schestowitzIt attacked FluxubuntuApr 28 10:02
schestowitzAnd eeebuntu became just "Easy Peasy"Apr 28 10:02
schestowitzgOS..Apr 28 10:02
schestowitzThey'll hopefully not fight restaurants called Ubuntu, which predate LinuxApr 28 10:02
schestowitzBasically, here's the bottom line: no distribution -- even if derives from Ubuntu -- is allowed to associate itself with Ubuntu using its name.Apr 28 10:03
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MinceR:)Apr 28 10:06
schestowitzSamsung's Android phone to launch in Germany < http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6... >. This one has a nice designApr 28 10:07
schestowitzBut it's BallnuxApr 28 10:07
MinceRlet's find a new name for the Ubuntu philosophy.Apr 28 10:07
schestowitzCanonical or Ubuntu?Apr 28 10:07
MinceRnot CanonicalApr 28 10:08
MinceRthe original one :)Apr 28 10:08
schestowitzLinuxDevices runs out of material and now write about "Linux compatible" PCs: http://www.linuxdevices.com/n...Apr 28 10:08
schestowitzThere's a product droughtApr 28 10:09
schestowitzThe USian economy will hopefully not fall and that would have a knock-on effectApr 28 10:09
schestowitzMinceR: Humanity for others, trademarks for nobody.Apr 28 10:10
schestowitzhave some water, have some food, poor man, but if you touch my daught^H^Htrademark I'll blow ya head offApr 28 10:10
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schestowitzMinceR: new tips for setting up kde4: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/04/23...Apr 28 10:13
_Hicham_normalApr 28 10:13
MinceRi'm thinking of trying kde4 with gnome-panelApr 28 10:14
MinceRand perhaps compizApr 28 10:14
MinceRi'm running gnome with compiz but i run some kde daemons (to set up the mouse cursor correctly and to convert X system bell into a waveform beep, i haven't figured this out yet)Apr 28 10:15
MinceRi've already replaced glipper with klipper because glipper keeps crashing on loginApr 28 10:15
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi... it's finally official. The Phorm/Websense thuggery goes all the way to the top (Home Office)Apr 28 10:15
_Hicham_MinceR : what distro is this?Apr 28 10:15
schestowitzMinceR: done that beforeApr 28 10:15
schestowitzIf you install kde-desktop on Ubuntu then you just run gnome-panelApr 28 10:16
schestowitzI do it on my other PC at homeApr 28 10:16
schestowitzisn't glipper mono?Apr 28 10:16
MinceR_Hicham_: ubuntu intrepidApr 28 10:16
schestowitzSomeone refuted this IIRCApr 28 10:16
MinceRi'm not exactly satisfied with it since the upgradeApr 28 10:16
MinceRschestowitz: dunnoApr 28 10:16
schestowitzMinceR: Mandriva 2009.1 is comingApr 28 10:16
schestowitzGive it a goApr 28 10:17
schestowitzIt also has GNOME stuffApr 28 10:17
schestowitzAnd nice GTK integrationApr 28 10:17
MinceRi think i'll try debian lenny firstApr 28 10:17
_Hicham_MinceR : try fedora alsoApr 28 10:17
MinceRafter all, there's no use for a release every 6 months if it isn't reliableApr 28 10:17
schestowitzMandriva does KDE very weelApr 28 10:17
schestowitz*WellApr 28 10:17
MinceRi've tried fedora, it isn't as polished as i had hopedApr 28 10:17
_Hicham_MinceR : which fedora? 10?Apr 28 10:17
MinceRi'll checkApr 28 10:17
schestowitzMaybe Mandriva will be out before the month is overApr 28 10:17
schestowitzRC2 nowApr 28 10:18
MinceRfc8Apr 28 10:18
schestowitzCore?Apr 28 10:18
schestowitzThey dropped core around 6.Apr 28 10:18
schestowitzcore dump :-) :-DApr 28 10:19
_Hicham_MinceR : try fc10Apr 28 10:19
MinceRwell it puts "fc8" in the kernel namesApr 28 10:20
MinceRthen again, i don't like how debian dropped /dev/tcp from bash for no good reasonApr 28 10:21
_Hicham_MinceR : fc10 is now a great distroApr 28 10:22
_Hicham_forget about ur previous experiencesApr 28 10:22
MinceRperhaps i should get a usb flash for testing new distrosApr 28 10:23
MinceRhow difficult it is to install a linux distro on a usb flash?Apr 28 10:23
_Hicham_why? Live CDs are sufficientApr 28 10:23
MinceRlive cds operate differentlyApr 28 10:23
MinceRat least installing to them is only temporaryApr 28 10:23
MinceRcurrently i have 1 extra partition on my laptop for a second distro (i currently have fc8 on it)Apr 28 10:24
MinceRbut perhaps it would be wiser to use external drives for this stuffApr 28 10:24
schestowitzSUN obituary < http://www.infoworld.com/t/tech-industr... >. Turns out I'm the same age of Sun, but I'm not sold yet ;-)Apr 28 10:26
MinceR:)Apr 28 10:26
schestowitzMinceR: ture, Fedora 10 is goodApr 28 10:26
schestowitzFedora 9 and 8 not as goodApr 28 10:26
schestowitzBased on lots of reviews I went throughApr 28 10:26
schestowitzFedora burned its reputation with some worse released and it's hard to shake that off now (perception problem)Apr 28 10:27
MinceRicApr 28 10:27
schestowitzAlso, Mono was purged from the Live CDApr 28 10:27
_Hicham_I am using Fedora 10 right nowApr 28 10:28
_Hicham_it just rocksApr 28 10:28
MinceRi think i've come up with a good idea: i'll just make sure they don't touch the /boot fs, then i can just dd/bz2 the "second distro" partition and put something else on itApr 28 10:29
MinceRi have big external HDDs i can store unused stuff on :)Apr 28 10:29
schestowitzWe're five weeks away now from Android on ARM (For subonotebooks)Apr 28 10:31
MinceRi find ARM subnotebooks interesting, but i'm less thrilled about putting retardroid on themApr 28 10:32
schestowitzWikipedia's Norwegian press officer cuffed for killing mum < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... >. That can't be good. Comments, David?Apr 28 10:34
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schestowitzTaxman denies Wikipedia UK charity status < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... >Apr 28 10:46
schestowitzAmerican soil gets the problems the UK once had: Mexico? US? Just don't go there, warns EU health chief < http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... >Apr 28 10:47
schestowitzProving that deep pockets can eliminate legitimate lawsuits: Appeal seeks to save Vista case < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Appeal_... >Apr 28 10:52
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schestowitzMicrosoft is teaching business to smoke cheap wares: Microsoft cuts prices of all-in-one hosted productivity suite < http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2602 >Apr 28 10:58
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oiaohmHi allApr 28 11:41
schestowitzHi, wbApr 28 11:42
schestowitzGood news todayApr 28 11:42
schestowitzI shall do a links post any moment nowApr 28 11:43
oiaohmThat should be good have not seen much good news today.Apr 28 11:43
schestowitzKey people quit MS tooApr 28 11:44
oiaohmGot a laptop to recover data from that as been droped in a sewage tank.Apr 28 11:44
oiaohmNot the best things to land on desk.Apr 28 11:44
schestowitz"Land" is the key wordApr 28 11:44
schestowitzFeel bad for the person diving in there to fetch itApr 28 11:45
oiaohmYes had to disinfect desk after droping it in a drum of disinfectant.Apr 28 11:45
oiaohmThey were lining up to clean the tank out schestowitzApr 28 11:46
oiaohmIt was the job recording computer.Apr 28 11:46
oiaohmPerson got a little bit lax with laptop.Apr 28 11:46
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oiaohmIt is still better than a computer that has had a dead body on it.Apr 28 11:49
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schestowitzHehe. "bit lax with laptop."Apr 28 11:56
schestowitzBetter than a pool of laxativeApr 28 11:56
schestowitzI remember when some guy around here committed suicide and they couldn't get access to his passwords that he ran cvs withApr 28 11:57
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oiaohmpool of laxative does not stink.   schestowitzApr 28 12:09
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PetoKrausas an environmental chemistry student, spending a year talking about shit, urine, manure, sewage and it's toxicityApr 28 12:12
PetoKrausand working in a PC repair shopApr 28 12:13
PetoKrausi can quite share the feelingApr 28 12:13
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, I knowApr 28 12:22
schestowitzBut it was intended to fit the jokeApr 28 12:22
oiaohmOk cleanest is fried to a crisp.Apr 28 12:23
schestowitzOne of the professors around here did his PhD going down tubes and learning something about tunnels (sewers)Apr 28 12:23
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oiaohmschestowitz: I have had computers covered in all kinds of things.   Funniest was choclate.    Truly fully coated.Apr 28 12:36
schestowitzMaybe a PC for recipes.Apr 28 12:40
schestowitzExtremist rises http://www.youtube.com/wat...Apr 28 12:40
DaemonFCuggghApr 28 12:42
DaemonFCwhy do I watch this "news"Apr 28 12:42
oiaohmAbout what.Apr 28 12:42
DaemonFCThey have this Republican senator waffling on about how Obama is going to ruin America, and how dare the Democrats get legislation through the 100 seat Senate with only 51 votesApr 28 12:43
DaemonFC:)Apr 28 12:43
DaemonFCuggghApr 28 12:43
oiaohmUSA is stuffed now.Apr 28 12:44
DaemonFCsounds fair to me, certainly no worse than anything they didApr 28 12:44
DaemonFCThe filibuster crap only lets the minority party run the showApr 28 12:44
oiaohmHow long before USA has more debt than it can pay.Apr 28 12:44
DaemonFCmeh, debt is artificialApr 28 12:45
DaemonFCdebt is an idea on a ledgerApr 28 12:45
oiaohmdebt maybe only on paper.Apr 28 12:45
oiaohmThe problem is you do have to pay for it at some point.Apr 28 12:45
DaemonFCit would actually improve the situation for the working class should we have more debt than we can payApr 28 12:45
DaemonFCbecause China and Friends would quit selling crap to usApr 28 12:45
DaemonFCand we'd have to make it ourselves againApr 28 12:45
DaemonFCso tell me why, exactly, I should care?Apr 28 12:46
oiaohmOr simple mine all your resources out for nothing.Apr 28 12:46
oiaohmIncluding your building for scrap metal.Apr 28 12:46
oiaohmdebt has to be paid at some point.Apr 28 12:46
oiaohmResult for country is never nice.Apr 28 12:46
DaemonFCMeh, I don't think we'll fail, just be less importantApr 28 12:46
DaemonFCit's what happened to the BritishApr 28 12:47
DaemonFCso why not?Apr 28 12:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: see this _MS_NBS[sic]: Countdown: Rick Perry's Secession Remarks < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... >Apr 28 12:47
oiaohmBritish never went bank rupt.Apr 28 12:47
DaemonFCRick Perry is an asshole who should be lynchedApr 28 12:47
DaemonFCthey should bring back lynching just for himApr 28 12:47
oiaohmThe point you are risking in the USA.Apr 28 12:47
oiaohmPlease note you have to pay the interest on that debt at a min.Apr 28 12:47
DaemonFCit wouldn't matter to the average personApr 28 12:47
DaemonFCyou may get CEOs throwing themselves out their windowApr 28 12:48
oiaohmDepends.Apr 28 12:48
DaemonFCbut if everyone is already unemployed, how much worse could it get?Apr 28 12:48
oiaohmSome countries it has mattered.Apr 28 12:48
schestowitzDaemonFC: agreedApr 28 12:48
oiaohmNo house is worse.Apr 28 12:48
schestowitzBritian was in bad shape for 20 yearsApr 28 12:48
schestowitzSo was the USApr 28 12:48
schestowitz1931-51Apr 28 12:48
oiaohmAnd no resources to make houses.Apr 28 12:48
schestowitzDepression stageApr 28 12:48
oiaohmDepression neither of them went bank rupt as such.Apr 28 12:48
DaemonFCRussia was TWO TIMES worse off than the Great Depression in the crisis of 1998Apr 28 12:48
oiaohmJust has a crushing.Apr 28 12:48
DaemonFCand they didn't go underApr 28 12:48
oiaohmYou build you way out.Apr 28 12:49
schestowitzTrueApr 28 12:49
oiaohmSo you can pay your debts.Apr 28 12:49
schestowitzBut you might not like it when people sell apples in the tsreetApr 28 12:49
schestowitzAnd shoeshinersApr 28 12:49
schestowitzRather than a culture of buying new shoes every monthApr 28 12:49
schestowitzMade in Vietnam or somethingApr 28 12:49
DaemonFCthere was high crime, there was mass poverty, but it only lasted for several years and they've been growing at about 7% a year for the last decadeApr 28 12:49
DaemonFCsoI mean, yeahApr 28 12:50
DaemonFCthings can get pretty bad, then you throw the bastards out and start againApr 28 12:50
oiaohmUSA does not have the povety level of backrupt countries have had.Apr 28 12:50
DaemonFCsometimes it can be just like thatApr 28 12:50
oiaohmWhen a country goes bankrupt its currency normally goes into hyper infactions.Apr 28 12:50
oiaohmSo like 10 billion dollars to by a loaf of bread.Apr 28 12:51
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DaemonFCI was saying that Russia, which is probably the closest thing you'll get to our economy has been far worseApr 28 12:51
DaemonFCso it would have to get much worse here before the government collapsedApr 28 12:51
oiaohmNo you are worse off than Russia.Apr 28 12:51
DaemonFCno, they areApr 28 12:51
DaemonFCtheir GDP per capita is still only about 1/4th as much as oursApr 28 12:52
oiaohmYou have higher percent under the povitity line.Apr 28 12:52
DaemonFCand the PPP is about a thirdApr 28 12:52
oiaohmIts debts.Apr 28 12:52
oiaohmRussian is not in that bad.Apr 28 12:52
DaemonFCtheir norm is under the US poverty levelApr 28 12:52
DaemonFCso it's perspectiveApr 28 12:52
oiaohmPoverty level means to put food on table.Apr 28 12:53
DaemonFCI think the federal poverty guidelines here are about $12,500 a year for 1 personApr 28 12:53
oiaohmNot the USA fake of so much money.Apr 28 12:53
DaemonFCthe average person in Russia makes about $11,000Apr 28 12:53
DaemonFCso they are well below our standard of povertyApr 28 12:53
schestowitzUK in Recession Pound dropping dead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbTTkT_oGvY >Apr 28 12:53
oiaohmIn russian 11.000 buys a lot more food.Apr 28 12:53
schestowitzThat's the video title BTWApr 28 12:53
schestowitzNot mineApr 28 12:53
DaemonFCthe UK will capitulateApr 28 12:53
oiaohmThan 12,500 in the usa.Apr 28 12:53
DaemonFCditch the poundApr 28 12:53
DaemonFCand go EuroApr 28 12:53
DaemonFCthat's the pointApr 28 12:54
DaemonFCthis is all manufacturedApr 28 12:54
oiaohmTrue poverty level for each country is different.Apr 28 12:54
oiaohmCosts of the area are a factor.Apr 28 12:54
schestowitzUK compared to iceland in this videoApr 28 12:54
DaemonFCthe banks will twist you until you give up and cash your money in for Euros at 1/3rd of what you hadApr 28 12:54
oiaohmDo you know the biggest thing that is stopping USA from currently being bankrupt is that oil is being traded in USD.Apr 28 12:55
schestowitzThis British chap who is an economic expert fled with the family to Singapore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_...Apr 28 12:58
schestowitzThat's where the next centre of the world is likely to be, he arguesApr 28 12:58
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?...Apr 28 12:59
oiaohmYou are also ware that over 50 percent of USA debt owns to China.Apr 28 12:59
oiaohmHow to lose a country without fighting a war.Apr 28 12:59
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DaemonFCoh fuck meApr 28 13:02
DaemonFCmy system crashed and now it's saying it's an eval copyApr 28 13:02
DaemonFCbut it's still activated?Apr 28 13:02
DaemonFCmust be an SP2 problemApr 28 13:02
DaemonFCmaybe cause the beta is time bombed?Apr 28 13:03
DaemonFChttp://support.microsoft...Apr 28 13:03
DaemonFCyepApr 28 13:03
DaemonFCAfter you install Service Pack 2 , your desktop may display the following text:Apr 28 13:04
DaemonFCEvaluation CopyApr 28 13:04
DaemonFCThis text does not mean that your system is no longer “Genuine." This text only indicates that you installed a test version of software that is time limited.Apr 28 13:04
schestowitzJim Rogers is brilliant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXKVe...Apr 28 13:04
DaemonFCthat's a relief, among the encyclopeida of crap I don't care about, in the foot notesApr 28 13:04
DaemonFC"No, we didn't break your shit"Apr 28 13:05
DaemonFCtypicalApr 28 13:05
DaemonFCThe Evaluation Copy text may be displayed on the second startup after you install the service pack. Also, the Evaluation Copy text may remain during the first restart after you uninstall the service pack. However, this text does not appear after the next restart.Apr 28 13:05
DaemonFC:)Apr 28 13:05
DaemonFCcome to think of itApr 28 13:06
DaemonFCwhy didn't error reporting say I recovered from a critical error?Apr 28 13:06
DaemonFCthere's nothing about that failure in the log at allApr 28 13:07
DaemonFC:PApr 28 13:07
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DaemonFCI'm fairly sure it's VuzeApr 28 13:11
DaemonFCthere's just no good bittorrent clients for WindowsApr 28 13:12
schestowitzDaemonFC: I'm catching upApr 28 13:12
schestowitzRussia is not doing badlyApr 28 13:12
schestowitzIn fact, it's situation wrt debt is pretty goodApr 28 13:12
schestowitzIt also has gasApr 28 13:12
DaemonFCany country that joins the world banking system and WTO is fuckedApr 28 13:13
DaemonFCit's just how well they hide itApr 28 13:13
DaemonFC:PApr 28 13:13
DaemonFCwhen you start letting Microsoft and Walmart and Wells Fargo and the RIAA write your laws, you are dead and walkingApr 28 13:14
DaemonFC:)Apr 28 13:14
schestowitzI don't understand why you still toy with WindowsApr 28 13:14
schestowitzDo you need some program that use winPIs?Apr 28 13:14
schestowitzuse virtualbox.Apr 28 13:14
DaemonFCnot so simpleApr 28 13:14
DaemonFCthat was actually the first thing I triedApr 28 13:14
schestowitzI understand that some people's employers requite WindersApr 28 13:15
DaemonFCVirtual Box says it can do pass through of hardware, but it all shows up in VirtualBox/Windows as "Unrecognized Device"Apr 28 13:15
DaemonFCand the kicker is that Linux can actually use some of it, but then application support is non-existent or badApr 28 13:16
DaemonFCor then maybe the app supports it but when you use the reverse engineered network protocol, the people on the other end using the real product can't use the video feedApr 28 13:16
DaemonFCand Flash is totally useless wrt to voice/videoApr 28 13:17
DaemonFCboth Windows and Linux suffer crippling problems when you actually try to use them in X86-64 modeApr 28 13:18
DaemonFCjust that most of Windows problems are there intentionallyApr 28 13:18
DaemonFCso unless you want a really fast 386, forget itApr 28 13:19
oiaohmOk you are talking about virtualbox.Apr 28 13:19
oiaohmWhat cpu.  You have vt-d extentions.Apr 28 13:19
DaemonFCyeah, most of the problems I end up with on Windows are there for some kind of DRM reasonApr 28 13:20
DaemonFCand most of the problems on Linux exist because that feature has just never been implementedApr 28 13:20
DaemonFCso using Windows is like Iran-ContraApr 28 13:20
DaemonFCarms for hostagesApr 28 13:20
DaemonFC:PApr 28 13:20
oiaohmVirtualbox has something annoying it will attempt to do device pass through without vt-d help.Apr 28 13:20
oiaohmSo leading to device detection failures and mucking up in windows and Linux.Apr 28 13:20
oiaohmWindows has protected path.Apr 28 13:21
oiaohmAlso screws up playing protected video in vm's.Apr 28 13:21
DaemonFCRight, Windows makes me angry when it screws my TV tuner feed, but Linux can't use it at allApr 28 13:21
DaemonFCWindows makes me angry that I have to use proprietary apps for voice/video, Linux hasn't implemented compatible alternativesApr 28 13:22
DaemonFCso it comes down to handcuffware or no functionality a lot of the timeApr 28 13:22
oiaohmThere are ones for Linux that do voice and video there interface needs work.Apr 28 13:22
DaemonFCeither way it's a horrible compromiseApr 28 13:22
oiaohmCard support I will give you is spotty.Apr 28 13:22
oiaohmI have found Linux quite ok with the right hardware match.Apr 28 13:24
DaemonFCit's lock in because of the sheer number of people that use itApr 28 13:24
DaemonFCand refuse to give it upApr 28 13:24
DaemonFC(Windows)Apr 28 13:24
DaemonFCIf I had to make an analogy, it would be like "There are only two models of car, there's one that's unreliable, gets bad gas mileage, and costs an obscene amount of money (Windows) and one that you can get a lot cheaper but it's missing the transmission, fuel pump, and maybe the engine"Apr 28 13:26
DaemonFCit's sad because with those things it would be a much nicer car, but you can't find them anywhereApr 28 13:26
DaemonFCand you know cause you've lookedApr 28 13:26
oiaohmFunny part when it comes to video capture drivers Mac can be as bad as linux at times.Apr 28 13:27
DaemonFCdevice manufacturers only ever bother to make a Windows driver, and not even that in many cases, and as long as there are entire spectrums of popular hardware that Linux poorly supports, it will be "That's nice, but what about my....."Apr 28 13:28
DaemonFC*decent Windows driver that isApr 28 13:28
oiaohmLot of people are in for a rude shock with windows 7.Apr 28 13:28
oiaohmLot of hardware companies are not going to update there drivers.Apr 28 13:29
DaemonFCan example of the reverse being true is my "Vista Capable" laptop that has no video drivers for VistaApr 28 13:29
DaemonFCI probably should have sued themApr 28 13:29
DaemonFCbut I wasn't thinkingApr 28 13:29
oiaohmIts more Windows XP 32 bit drivers are decent.Apr 28 13:29
oiaohmAnything else is screwed.Apr 28 13:29
DaemonFCWDDM is fuckedApr 28 13:29
DaemonFCseriouslyApr 28 13:29
oiaohmAt least when Linux does support a card well it stays that way.Apr 28 13:30
DaemonFCthis is trueApr 28 13:30
DaemonFCit has support for some majorly obsolete hardware that predates Windows XP :)Apr 28 13:31
DaemonFChehApr 28 13:31
oiaohmLinux if you choose hardware to match upgrades most things stay working.Apr 28 13:31
DaemonFCyeah, well, I wasn't really thinking about Linux when I bought this systemApr 28 13:31
DaemonFCand so it's kind of what I haveApr 28 13:32
oiaohmIf the applciations were upto standard.Apr 28 13:32
DaemonFC*shrugs*Apr 28 13:32
oiaohmIt would be all great for those who plan buy.Apr 28 13:32
DaemonFCif I could go back and get something else I wouldApr 28 13:32
oiaohmThere are a lot of USB capture devices that work great with Linux.Apr 28 13:32
DaemonFCseemed like too good of a deal, and it was, cause the hardware loves it some VistaApr 28 13:32
DaemonFCbut Linux, not so muchApr 28 13:33
oiaohmI use USB digtail turner bits here.Apr 28 13:33
DaemonFCoh I agree, Windows webcam software is all garbage, trialware, or garbage and trialwareApr 28 13:33
DaemonFCbut.....Apr 28 13:34
DaemonFCI don't really use my webcam for that stuffApr 28 13:34
DaemonFCmainly just streamingApr 28 13:34
DaemonFCI managed to find that VLC can convert WMV to TheoraApr 28 13:34
DaemonFCso I record in WMV then convert itApr 28 13:34
oiaohmso can mplayerhqApr 28 13:35
DaemonFCthe alternative is forking out $50 for someone's third party appApr 28 13:35
DaemonFCthe problem with most Microsoft formats isn't technical, it's DRM and patentsApr 28 13:35
DaemonFCI would say WMA/WMV are equal to most other formats on pure technical meritApr 28 13:35
DaemonFCbut I don't want to pollute the world with more patented crapApr 28 13:36
oiaohmAlso video recording be aware some of Linux video editors do it very well from support webcans and turners.Apr 28 13:36
DaemonFCif Microsoft did Windows Media under their MSPL license and give a royalty free license to everyone, I would probably use itApr 28 13:37
oiaohmYes someone kinda though that would be a good idea.Apr 28 13:37
DaemonFCbut I don't because they don'tApr 28 13:37
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtCM...Apr 28 13:37
DaemonFCusing free formats on Windows feels unnaturalApr 28 13:37
schestowitzoiaohm: re vista7 drivers: some companies go out of resource /existenceApr 28 13:37
DaemonFCand that's kind of the pointApr 28 13:37
schestowitzSome go bankrupct, so no driver updatesApr 28 13:38
schestowitzAnd no source codeApr 28 13:38
schestowitzSGI...Apr 28 13:38
schestowitzBut not for WIndows in this caseApr 28 13:38
schestowitzThey change proiorityApr 28 13:38
schestowitzVista7 with 1% market share they won't prioritiseApr 28 13:38
schestowitzMicrosoft might offer incentives, who knows?Apr 28 13:38
DaemonFCSGI's biggest problem was trying to sell MIPS work stations with proprietary UNIX, and the sidetracking into "We're going to Windows NT" crap that they aborted almost right awayApr 28 13:38
DaemonFCthey were poorly managed and most of their net worth was just because they used to be hugeApr 28 13:39
DaemonFCthere's a certain degree you can screw up and survive, and they passed itApr 28 13:39
DaemonFCif they had gotten on the Linux wagon long ago, ported all their applications, and just became a vendor of standard PC hardware, they would have done betterApr 28 13:40
oiaohmSome companies are makign devices that are licence clones from companies that no longer exist as well.Apr 28 13:40
DaemonFCbut X86-64 came too lateApr 28 13:40
oiaohmWith closed source drivers.Apr 28 13:40
DaemonFCand IA-64 has been a gross misadventureApr 28 13:40
DaemonFCso maybe that wouldn't have helped eitherApr 28 13:40
oiaohmIA-64 works great with Linux.Apr 28 13:40
DaemonFCthe ItanicApr 28 13:41
DaemonFC:PApr 28 13:41
oiaohmJust don't dare try running anything 32 bit.Apr 28 13:41
oiaohmIt hurts like hell.Apr 28 13:41
DaemonFCyeah, it can emulate x86, but horribly slowApr 28 13:41
oiaohmits like cpu  1/20 of wht it was before.Apr 28 13:41
DaemonFCearly ones had a slow x86 core, and the new ones need software emulation in the OSApr 28 13:41
DaemonFCthat's where WOW64 came from on WindowsApr 28 13:42
DaemonFCbut on X86-64 is only has to do process switchingApr 28 13:42
DaemonFCso there's no penalty reallyApr 28 13:42
oiaohmLinux is having a hard time because of X86-64Apr 28 13:42
DaemonFCX86-64 is cheaper and more compatible, and still good performanceApr 28 13:42
DaemonFCthat's why IA-64 is a jokeApr 28 13:42
oiaohmLinux was not designed to have 32 and 64 bit side by side.Apr 28 13:42
oiaohmIt was designed on the idea of having everything the same.Apr 28 13:43
DaemonFCall you need are 32-bit librariesApr 28 13:43
oiaohmSo that support had to be added in.Apr 28 13:43
DaemonFCthe Debian all-in-one package is the best I've seen anyone doApr 28 13:43
oiaohmDebian chrootApr 28 13:43
DaemonFCdon't need a chrootApr 28 13:43
oiaohmYes chroot for 32 bit support.Apr 28 13:43
DaemonFCjsut ia32-libsApr 28 13:43
oiaohmia32-libsApr 28 13:43
oiaohmThat has it.Apr 28 13:43
DaemonFCthat's not a chrootApr 28 13:43
DaemonFCit's jsut some librariesApr 28 13:43
DaemonFCit'll work with 99% of the software out thereApr 28 13:44
DaemonFCvery few people need to use a chrootApr 28 13:44
DaemonFCIf you find an article telling you to use a chrootApr 28 13:44
DaemonFCit'll be 4-5 years oldApr 28 13:44
oiaohmThere is a way with ia32-lib to still use the chroot when needed.Apr 28 13:45
oiaohmIncluded with it.Apr 28 13:45
oiaohmFor those odd ball apps.Apr 28 13:45
DaemonFCOpenSuse has the most mismanaged, mangled, and missing support for 32-bit x86Apr 28 13:46
DaemonFCyou're almost guaranteed to have conflicting packages when you're doneApr 28 13:46
DaemonFCI tried it out after clicking on an ad for OpenSuse that said "Linux where you don't need to chroot, chown, or chmod anything"Apr 28 13:47
DaemonFCand the first app I installed I had to use all threeApr 28 13:47
DaemonFClolApr 28 13:47
oiaohmThere is worse.Apr 28 13:47
DaemonFCOpenSuse is a gulag for anyone that's been pampered by Debian/Ubuntu or even other RPM distributionsApr 28 13:48
oiaohmInstall 64 bit kernel on 32 bit Linux then have Nvidia drivers refuse to install.Apr 28 13:48
oiaohmEven that everything else works.Apr 28 13:48
DaemonFCheh, that's how Fedora 11 goes by defaultApr 28 13:48
DaemonFCif you install 32-bit version and it detects an x86-64 CPUApr 28 13:49
DaemonFCit puts in the x86-64 kernelApr 28 13:49
oiaohmNvidia drivers.Apr 28 13:49
oiaohm64 bit version of drivers cannot install without 64 bit libs.Apr 28 13:49
oiaohmSo you make a small 64 bit envorment so you can install the buggers.Apr 28 13:49
DaemonFCwell, they wouldn't be doing that if it stopped you from using driversApr 28 13:49
DaemonFCso they must have it rigged somehowApr 28 13:49
oiaohmFedora 11 very small section of 64 bit support.Apr 28 13:50
oiaohmDebian none with pure 32 bit install.Apr 28 13:50
DaemonFCif a reviewer can't install Nvidia drivers, they'll attack immediatelyApr 28 13:50
DaemonFCwithout even reading any documentationApr 28 13:50
DaemonFCDebian has someApr 28 13:50
oiaohmdebain 32 bit install.Apr 28 13:50
DaemonFCyeahApr 28 13:51
oiaohmWith 64 bit kernel.  Nvidia drivers don't install.Apr 28 13:51
oiaohmI know first hand.Apr 28 13:51
oiaohmLots of fun.Apr 28 13:51
oiaohmI really hope open source ATI drivers work well soon.Apr 28 13:52
DaemonFCthey listed the AMD64 features the x86 version of Debian supports at one pointApr 28 13:52
DaemonFCnot many obviously, but someApr 28 13:52
oiaohmAMD64 bit kernel in the 32 bit install.Apr 28 13:52
oiaohmWith that nvidia drivers barf.Apr 28 13:52
oiaohmNo kernel building required to stuff it.Apr 28 13:53
oiaohmReally thinking nvidia drivers have a bash script start up they could make the x86-64 bit driver duel mode.Apr 28 13:54
oiaohmhttp://www.hitl.washington.edu...  I really need to play with this.Apr 28 13:57
schestowitzObama plays ball for megacorps again: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/...Apr 28 14:09
oiaohmhttp://www.tinycorelinux.com/  Linux distrobutions for those sardine class machines out there.Apr 28 14:10


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