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Re: Please don't condemn Novare for the FreeOS logo

Bruce, 

I understand that in the current situation you are most concerned about negative
publicity for novare, but I'd really like to see you comment on my 2nd paragraph
concerning your public article. (see References:). The part on novare was only a
preliminary attempt to explain what lead to Joey's cynism.

bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:

>  [The first time I posted this I got a "no-such-host for lists.debian.org]
> [perhaps a DNS hiccup? My DNS master change hasn't been acknowledged by ]
> [InterNIC yet.]

Your first one didn't get through to me via the list but in private email. I'm
taking the liberty to quote myself 'cause Bruce omitted the quote this time

Joey - who seems to have been the initiator of the current flame war - happens
to live in the town I moved to last week and me being surprised by the sheer
bulk of articles on debian private after returning from a one day journey we sat
together talking about Debian.

>> Much of this mess seems to come from inevitable cultural differences - the
>> infamous FreeOS logo (which I disgust as well) being a reason why both of us
>> are not very happy with relying on novare.net

>  I didn't think it was a tremendous idea either, but I gave the FreeOS logo
> the same treatment as other logos (we have had many bad ones).  Your
> condemming the entire Novare organization of 20 Debian users for that logo
> would be an over-reaction.  These people's main business is making custom
> applications for companies like Coca-Cola.

... who IMHO perverted the olympic idea last year as opposed to the winter games
in Norway - cultural differences as I said.

> They use Debian as their development platform. The logo was just in idea they
> tried to contribute.

>  I really wish you would not condemm them for the logo. Please.

Sorry, I'm associating them with it, Maybe I'm wrong - have to check the
archives tonight - I only remember a half-hearted retreat in response to
maintainer reactions and I am really concerned about Debian going in a direction
indicated by the spirit behind it. 

Maybe agressive marketing strategies like their's are the way to go in the U.S.,
I doubt they are even legal over here in Germany - but I'm no lawyer, just
prudent.

I'm not objecting making money from Debian - looking for a way to get any of my
customers to give Linux a try.

Thanks
  Siggy

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