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Re: voting system



First of all, I'm not convinced that binding votes are all that reasonable  
for us. Nonbinding ones might be interesting from time to time, though -  
just to see what people are thinking.

Maybe we need to chose a different name for nonbinding votes, though -  
calling it, say, an "opinion poll" instead.

cjf@netaxs.com (Chris Fearnley)  wrote on 28.03.97 in <199703280658.BAA17217@unix3.netaxs.com>:

> I've been thinking about this issue a lot lately.  I think the problem
> is more complex than writing a simple vote tallying system.  How is the
> wording of the proposal choosen?  Once something is voted on, how is it
> implemented?  By volunteers?  By managerial fiat?  By Divine
> intervention?  Do we vote on the implementation too?
>
> Sorry, I don't have any answers yet :(

I don't know if this is useful to anyone, but ...

In a previous context (a BBS network running not quite, but nearly  
exclusively on a set of programs written by very few people [including me,  
but I don't think that matters]) there was a rule that, while politics  
could be decided by vote, no vote could force these programmers to do  
anything - they were volunteers, and they paid more than they got back, so  
there was not really a way to force them to do anything.

Obviously, this could not be applied 1:1, but maybe it can give people  
some ideas.

Some other stuff about binding votes (though, see above) - a time period  
before another vote can be made on the same subject matter. Votes that are  
not about people should never be secret; any votes should be checkable.  
(Secret votes can be checkable. Over in (shudder) Fidonet, they have a  
system that does this: include some phrase with your vote, and at vote  
publishing time, list voters without phrase or vote, and separately list  
phrases to votes.)

> One thing is clear: mailing lists don't provide facilities to discover
> what the silent majority is thinking about.  And thus the direction of
> the project's members is never clear.

This is true.

MfG Kai