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Re: Deity project schedule problems



From: Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@datasync.com>
> I think Debian needs to initiate an effort which is answerable
> to Debian, and have the Debian project at large set deadlines,
> etc, if for nothing else than to help Debian plan for the next
> release(s). 
>
> I personally am also uneasy about the closed doors policy of
> Deity. I understood the reasons offered, about distractions, noise,
> and shifting specs, but I am not quite convinced that the solution
> proposed was any better. In my experience, for what that counts,
> independent cabals not answerable to anybody have usually resulted in
> cost and schedule overruns. Your mileage may vary.

First, let's not give up hope that we can salvage Deity. I have sent them
a message requesting that they consider their options.

	Thanks

	Bruce

> From bruce Mon Sep 22 11:14:19 1997
> To: deity@lists.debian.org
> Subject: fate of the Deity project
> Reply-To: Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
> 
> I got a message from Brian this morning threatening to separate the Deity
> project from Debian if I attempted to apply any more direction to the project.
> As project leader I can't really let this go by without any action. Also,
> my perception is that Brian dropped the ball - otherwise we would not have
> awakened to the fact that only one programmer was working on Deity.
> 
> You, the Deity staff members, should be making some choices. First, do
> you want to separate the project from Debian? This option is open to
> you - you are volunteers and I can't stop you from leaving. Thus, Deity
> would be its own entity, and you might even have to find another
> customer, as we'll probably be working in another direction to satisfy our
> package-system needs. If that's not a good idea, do you need another
> manager? Or do you simply have to wake up your present manager?
> 
> If you don't want to separate from Debian, you and your manager should
> be resigned my having some oversight on the project, and the debian
> developers having oversight through me.
> 
> I need to hear from you by Wednesday. Please discuss the issue among
> yourselves.
> 
> 	Thanks
> 
> 	Bruce Perens
> 	Debian Project Leader
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