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MinceRgnMar 28 01:12
twitterThanks for pointing out that child porn article.  There's a lot to be furious about these cases.  The victims of such prosecution are completely embarrassed for what they thought was a private communication and the prosecution is guilty of the crime they allege because they PUBLISH the images and share them with the court.Mar 28 01:22
oiaohmHere there are a lot of rules over how child porn cases have to be handled.Mar 28 01:23
twitterThe victims are only guilty of trusting their telecommunications overlords.Mar 28 01:24
twitterThe rules are wrong, as these perverse cases prove.Mar 28 01:24
twitterThe violator is MySpace and the phone company.Mar 28 01:24
oiaohmEven if they trade photo person to person same rules apply here.Mar 28 01:24
twitterThey inspect what should be private.Mar 28 01:25
oiaohmtwitter: if you want stuff private don't send it not encrypted.Mar 28 01:25
twitterSpying costs money and should be against the law for everyone's good.Mar 28 01:26
oiaohmDisplaying stuff on the internet not encypted is classes as displaying it in a public place or writing a message on a post card.Mar 28 01:26
oiaohmSimple fact people don't want to accept the truth about it.Mar 28 01:26
oiaohmThen kick and scream when they get caught.Mar 28 01:26
twitterMySpace pretends things are private, then sell their victims to the highest bidder.  The prosecutors, in this case, are just another bidder.Mar 28 01:26
oiaohmRead the MySpace agreement.Mar 28 01:27
oiaohmAgain people don't.Mar 28 01:27
oiaohmYou agreed to allowing your items to be inspected for illegal content.Mar 28 01:27
oiaohmIf you don't read the licence of the service you are using who fault is that.Mar 28 01:28
twitterWho wants to read pages and pages of fine print to understand that the large print is a lie?Mar 28 01:28
twitterPeople who make "agreements" like that are liars.Mar 28 01:28
oiaohmMySpace is stuck between a devil and deep blue sea.Mar 28 01:28
oiaohmDon't inspect the content they can be charaged with harboring if legal content is found on there servers.Mar 28 01:29
twitterMySpace exists because ISPs don't let people share.Mar 28 01:29
twitterThey block ports and do other obnoxious things.Mar 28 01:29
oiaohmNow why don't ISP let people share.Mar 28 01:29
oiaohmThe same reason in most cases.Mar 28 01:30
twitterThey do this for the benefit of big publishers and M$.Mar 28 01:30
oiaohmYou are using there services they are party responsable for your actions.Mar 28 01:30
twitterBig publishers want a captive, helpless and dependent audience.Mar 28 01:30
oiaohmIf people did not do illegal things there would be no need for ISP to be restricting.Mar 28 01:31
oiaohmBasically everyone is bring restrictions on themselfs.Mar 28 01:31
twitterThere's nothing illegal about running a web server but most ISPs forbid it.Mar 28 01:31
twitterPeople who are forbidden to run their own web servers are not responsible when those who are violate them.Mar 28 01:31
oiaohmThat is in your agreement with them again.Mar 28 01:32
oiaohmMost ISP you can pay more for web server usage allowance.Mar 28 01:32
twitterI don't have a choice but to "agree" with them if there are no other providers.Mar 28 01:32
oiaohmAnd there is a tech reason for it.  It called traffic controll.Mar 28 01:32
twitterOpen Spectrum should solve this problem on the side of freedom.Mar 28 01:32
oiaohmIf as a ISP I am turning all users into 1 ip number on the internel.Mar 28 01:33
oiaohminternetMar 28 01:33
twitterFuck ISPs like that, I want my freedom.Mar 28 01:33
oiaohmAnd I let uses run a http server.  You end up with multiable machines connected to the same port numbers.Mar 28 01:33
twitterOpen Spectrum will solve "traffic" problems.Mar 28 01:33
oiaohmIP6 opens up more ipsMar 28 01:34
oiaohmSo IP stacking should not be needed.Mar 28 01:34
twitterhttp://www.reed.com/OpenSpectrum/Mar 28 01:34
oiaohmYes you get a cheaper connection price if your connection can be stacked on to a single IP.Mar 28 01:34
twitterWith Open Spectrum, there will be no bandwith scarcity and people will be able to share whatever they want in whatever manner they wish.Mar 28 01:35
twitterTelco and broadcasters will be a thing of the past and there will be true freedom of press.Mar 28 01:35
oiaohmLOLMar 28 01:36
oiaohmThere is always bandwith scarcity.Mar 28 01:36
twitterReed and Bose know what they are talking about and they say bullshit.Mar 28 01:36
tessierI'm not sure there necessarily has to be...at least not for a certain amount of bandwidth.Mar 28 01:36
tessierIf we all had 10Mb we could all do video.Mar 28 01:36
tessierAny more than that isn't really necessary although of course it would be nice.Mar 28 01:37
twitterBroadcasters and publishers are soaking up the world's spectrum with antiquated tech.  Even cable modems could provide orders of magnitude more bandwith if they were not wasting so much of it on broadcasting crap all day.Mar 28 01:37
tessierThe big issue is that if something like what he advocates happens censorship will be much harder and probably impossible.Mar 28 01:38
tessierAnd all you have to do is say "child porn!" and it'll all be over.Mar 28 01:38
tessierBecause child porn isn't worth freedom of any sort to most people.Mar 28 01:38
tessierWe would all live in Soviet Russia if it could stop child porn.Mar 28 01:38
twitterThe real bandwith of the usable spectrum is effectively infinite compared to demand.Mar 28 01:38
tessierOf course it can't because people would be corrupt in those circumstances.Mar 28 01:38
tessiertwitter: Especially over small areas.Mar 28 01:38
tessierWhich you then multiply...Mar 28 01:39
twitterSoviet Russia had child porn and more exploitation than you can shake a stick at.  Exploitation comes when power is concentrated.Mar 28 01:39
tessierWhat is the bandwidth of the entire cell network?Mar 28 01:39
tessiertwitter: IndeedMar 28 01:39
tessierHow many mobile phones are there out there?Mar 28 01:39
tessierActually, how many mobile phone base stations and how many phones can each one support?Mar 28 01:39
tessierThat would be the bandwidth of the current system. I bet it is massive.Mar 28 01:39
oiaohmProblem here I can talk about real world tests of the idea of unlimited radio space.Mar 28 01:39
schestowitzFox slammed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X...Mar 28 01:40
oiaohmThe theory of OpenSpectrum works well on paper.Mar 28 01:40
oiaohmDoes not work in real world.Mar 28 01:40
twitterworks well as 802.11B tooMar 28 01:40
oiaohmThere is a problem.Mar 28 01:40
twitteryeah, it's that broadcasters are lying to you.Mar 28 01:41
oiaohm1 incorrect placed transmitter can act as a jammerMar 28 01:41
oiaohmOn a lot of others.Mar 28 01:41
twitterjammers can and should be fined.Mar 28 01:41
oiaohmdue to refections of other items in the envorment.Mar 28 01:41
oiaohmThat is the noise source.Mar 28 01:41
twitterdon't BS me.  malice can wipe out the current broadcasters tooMar 28 01:42
oiaohmMore transmitters you have the more refections of items you have the higher the background nosie is.Mar 28 01:42
oiaohmSorry I know first hand from highly dencity 802.11 wireless network debuging.Mar 28 01:42
twitterthat's not what happens with 802.11Mar 28 01:42
oiaohmIt does happen in 802.11Mar 28 01:43
oiaohmStarts at when you get about 60 inside a block area.Mar 28 01:43
oiaohmAnd progressively gets worse.Mar 28 01:43
oiaohmThat paper completely over looks the cause of noise.Mar 28 01:44
oiaohmNow if he was talking about optical links it would work.Mar 28 01:44
twitterThe two shared frequencies of 802.11 are more than adequate to serve people's short distance needs.  If people could use the rest of the spectrum, there would be no problem at all.Mar 28 01:44
oiaohmIt all depends what its echoing off.Mar 28 01:44
twitterI'm sorry, oiaohm, I'm going to trust Reed and Bose before you.Mar 28 01:44
oiaohmHave you ever built echo airals.Mar 28 01:45
oiaohmWhere they recive a signal and transmit on a different freq completely.Mar 28 01:45
twitterThat's not what Open Spectrum is all about.Mar 28 01:46
oiaohmJust due to they way they are designed.Mar 28 01:46
oiaohmIt what brings the idea to it knees twitterMar 28 01:46
oiaohmThere is a max desintiy.Mar 28 01:46
twitterOpen Spectrum uses random time outs, packet communication and frequency hopping.Mar 28 01:46
oiaohmIf all buidling and other items were built to be sure that there are no echos then the idea would work.Mar 28 01:47
twitterThese techniques overcome problems of brain dead "echo aerials"Mar 28 01:47
oiaohmIf you are generating nosie too strong over come techniques fail.Mar 28 01:48
twitterThere are ways around your problems, oiaohm.  You are not going to convince anyone that broadcast is a better use of frequency or cable.Mar 28 01:48
oiaohmair base optictal avoids the problem.Mar 28 01:48
oiaohmBut is more complex to setup.Mar 28 01:48
twitterThe spectrum should be delicensed.Mar 28 01:48
oiaohmopticial internlinks don't require a licence.Mar 28 01:49
twitterLine of sight short range communications can overcome your imagined problems too.Mar 28 01:49
oiaohmI know from syndey and perth here.Mar 28 01:49
oiaohmThey have large wireless networks.Mar 28 01:50
oiaohmSo that idea has been real world tested.Mar 28 01:50
twitterI think people like Bose and Reed can design a network that's free and avoids your problems without needing any one to one optical lindsMar 28 01:50
twitter*linksMar 28 01:50
twitterNo country has delicensed their spectrum.Mar 28 01:50
schestowitzVote-stealing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...Mar 28 01:51
twitterlookingMar 28 01:51
oiaohmOk the best way to think of radio is water in a pond.  You see watter ripples reflect of particular things.Mar 28 01:52
oiaohmThrow in 1 rock it simple to track what is going on.Mar 28 01:52
oiaohmThrow in multiable it gets harder.Mar 28 01:52
twitterYes, reed uses the analogy too.  The waves pass through each other, "interference" is local.Mar 28 01:53
oiaohmAt a particular point it becomes too hard to make sence of.Mar 28 01:53
twitterlight beams can intersect, the information from each comes out of the intersection intact.Mar 28 01:53
oiaohmThere is a limit on transmitter desnity based on what objects are in the local area reflecting things.Mar 28 01:53
twitterthere is no limit on transmitter density if you don't limit frequency use.Mar 28 01:54
twitterThere are practical limits to frequency use, but these are well beyond what anyone can expect to ever use.Mar 28 01:54
oiaohmProblem is there is a flat line limit.Mar 28 01:54
oiaohmThere are objects out there that basically refect everything.Mar 28 01:55
twitterRead Reed.Mar 28 01:55
oiaohmIts not unlimited as Reed claims.Mar 28 01:55
twitterI have you and I have Reed.  Reed wins.Mar 28 01:55
oiaohmReed leaves out causes of interfince.Mar 28 01:56
oiaohmReal world its confusing as hell.Mar 28 01:56
twitterno it's not.Mar 28 01:56
oiaohmLike someone turns on a cb radioMar 28 01:56
oiaohmAnd a wireless network drops out.Mar 28 01:56
twitter:)Mar 28 01:56
oiaohmJust because it was in the right place.Mar 28 01:56
oiaohmHis idea purely depends on the fact that transmitters signal will stay on the same freq.Mar 28 01:57
oiaohmReal world radio noise is crossing freqs.Mar 28 01:57
oiaohma radio freq is just a particular wave osslocation speed.Mar 28 01:58
oiaohmIn the same media.Mar 28 01:58
oiaohmThat is why a pond is such a good example of it twitterMar 28 01:59
oiaohmRight kinds of echos freqs change.Mar 28 01:59
oiaohmRadio freqs are the artificial constuct twitterMar 28 02:00
twittershestowitz, is that voter fraud video for real?Mar 28 02:04
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schestowitzEnough videos for me :-() http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...Mar 28 02:11
schestowitztwitter: yes, it's real.Mar 28 02:11
twitterGot a link to another news source?  The audio does not seem to match the video for me.Mar 28 02:14
twitterI believe the charges, I'm not sure about this video.Mar 28 02:14
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oiaohmtwitter remember light is in the same pond as radio.   Reson why light works is transmitters and recievers are setup highly directional.Mar 28 02:16
schestowitzStaged?Mar 28 02:16
schestowitzOr cooked?Mar 28 02:16
twittercooked, like they put a different audio on top of the video.Mar 28 02:16
twitterThe allegations are real enough.  I'm just not sure anyone would get them in front of the US Congress like that.Mar 28 02:17
schestowitzYeah..Mar 28 02:22
schestowitzgnMar 28 02:22
tessierOptical links are just another form of radiation.Mar 28 02:23
tessierThe spectrum is HUGE.Mar 28 02:23
oiaohmThe spectrum is huge yes.Mar 28 02:23
oiaohmBut not to nuke the spectrum direction of signal is kinda critical.Mar 28 02:23
tessierBandwidth, range, power, noise. Pick three.Mar 28 02:23
oiaohmThat is basically the problem.Mar 28 02:24
oiaohmYou missied on.Mar 28 02:25
oiaohmone.Mar 28 02:25
oiaohmLack of directinally creates noise that interferes with Bandwidth and range.Mar 28 02:25
oiaohmAdding more power to transmission makes echos worse.Mar 28 02:26
oiaohmUsing low power gives you bugger all range.Mar 28 02:26
oiaohmEverything is interlinked.Mar 28 02:26
oiaohmReed leaving noise out his maths leaves out a critical real world problom.Mar 28 02:27
oiaohmproblem.Mar 28 02:27
oiaohmReason why I said it looks good on paper until you take it into the real world and find the writer has missed something kinda critical.Mar 28 02:27
oiaohmLower bandwidth is more resistance to noise.Mar 28 02:29
oiaohmHigher bandwidth more noise is a problem.Mar 28 02:29
oiaohmCan you see the missing factor in reeds paper now tessierMar 28 02:30
tessierPick three is just fine by me.Mar 28 02:31
oiaohmYour three you cannot pick three.Mar 28 02:31
oiaohmrange is linked to power and bandwidth.Mar 28 02:32
oiaohmbandwith is linked to noise and power.Mar 28 02:32
oiaohmpower is linked to noise bandwith and range.Mar 28 02:33
oiaohmThey are all linked to each other.Mar 28 02:33
twitterThis is getting repetitive oiahom.Mar 28 02:34
oiaohmtwitter the pond.   Everything in the specutrim is linked.Mar 28 02:34
oiaohmIts not a unlimited thing.Mar 28 02:35
oiaohmYes it has a huge limit but it is not unlimited.Mar 28 02:36
oiaohmRadios are basicaly just filters on something we don't fully understand.  Closest item we have that we can see and touch that acts about the same is the surface of water.Mar 28 02:40
oiaohmReed added some very key presumes that are not backed up by real world expermentations.Mar 28 02:43
oiaohmOne of the most common presumes in radio is that radio travels in straight lines.   Radio signals can be bent just like a water wave going threw an obstical..   Base level of the electromagic spec things get a lot more complex.Mar 28 02:45
oiaohmtwitter I have played with radios for a very long time.Mar 28 02:48
oiaohmReed docs completely left out a transmitter interfering with itself at reciever due to relection.Mar 28 02:50
oiaohmYou can have two radios inside 20 metters of each other and unable to talk.Mar 28 02:50
oiaohmEven that they are on the same freq.Mar 28 02:50
oiaohmThe pure fun of invistaging radio black spots.Mar 28 02:51
twittergnMar 28 03:11
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zer0c00lnetwork outrage yesterdayMar 28 03:31
zer0c00l:(Mar 28 03:31
zer0c00lthought of posting comment in BNMar 28 03:32
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amarsh04PetroKraus, our local orchestra did a Pink Floyd tribute and released a double cd: http://www.aso.com.au/season0...Mar 28 03:59
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zer0c00lschestowitz: last night network outrageMar 28 04:06
zer0c00lcant post the commentsMar 28 04:06
zer0c00lthe whole network is now utilizing backup 1 Mbps connectionMar 28 04:07
zer0c00l:(Mar 28 04:07
zer0c00ltoo slow and lot of delayMar 28 04:07
oiaohmOk someone did not think threw there plan b.Mar 28 04:24
zer0c00ldamn msp morrons are fighting backMar 28 04:35
zer0c00lhttp://gracelyne.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/h...Mar 28 04:35
zer0c00lBN is not even loading :(Mar 28 04:44
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*tessier is BOREDMar 28 05:41
tessierI hate it when I can't sleep but I'm tiredMar 28 05:41
tessierMore recently, Riches has attempted to intervene as a plaintiff in the Madoff investment scandal, claiming that he "met Bernard Madoff on eharmony.com in 2001" and taught Madoff identity theft skills.[19]Mar 28 05:47
tessierhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...Mar 28 05:47
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tessierhahahaMar 28 05:47
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zer0c00lthe girl now talks about software patents :D lolMar 28 06:02
zer0c00lhttp://gracelyne.wordpress....Mar 28 06:03
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zer0c00lBN down?Mar 28 06:56
zer0c00lany performance issues there?Mar 28 06:56
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Omar87So, guys what do you think of the latest hype about Red Hat's story with patents?Mar 28 07:07
oiaohmRedhat patents are nothing new.Mar 28 07:08
oiaohmJust some closed source guys are getting worried redhat might use them against them.Mar 28 07:09
Omar87oiaohm: Yeah.Mar 28 07:09
Omar87oiaohm: But, is it a good thing in your opinion?Mar 28 07:09
oiaohmClosed source guys threaten open source guys with patents all the time.Mar 28 07:09
oiaohmIn one way its a good thing.Mar 28 07:10
oiaohmTeach them the patent system is not just to there advantage.Mar 28 07:10
oiaohmMight get more closed source companies anti-patent.Mar 28 07:10
Omar87That's right.Mar 28 07:10
oiaohmRedhat has a formal agreements saying they will not use patents against open source.Mar 28 07:11
Omar87Patents do have some good things to offer after all. ;)Mar 28 07:11
oiaohmReally not.Mar 28 07:11
oiaohmPatents can be used to enforce a openstandard.Mar 28 07:12
Omar87Wouldn't it be great to use M$'s weapom against them?Mar 28 07:12
oiaohmAbused Patents are far more risky.Mar 28 07:12
Omar87weapon*Mar 28 07:12
oiaohmRemember a weapon is a weapon.Mar 28 07:12
Omar87yesMar 28 07:12
oiaohmIt can always land on the wrong target.Mar 28 07:12
Omar87for sure.Mar 28 07:13
oiaohmIBM aquiring SUN.  Could be a really bad thing.Mar 28 07:13
Omar87But, this doesn't mean that its evil, just because it's being used by evil people.Mar 28 07:13
oiaohmThe patent the final company will hold basically can shut the computer computer industry down.Mar 28 07:13
oiaohmWith the legal skill to know how to use them.Mar 28 07:14
Omar87I personally can't imagine SUN being any other thing that itself.Mar 28 07:14
oiaohmSUN holds lots of the key techs used in motherboards.Mar 28 07:14
Omar87than*Mar 28 07:15
oiaohmIBM held enough techs to build a Motherboard that works without SUN patents.Mar 28 07:15
oiaohmBoth merged you are stuffed.Mar 28 07:16
oiaohmClosed source worrying about redhat is a laugh.Mar 28 07:16
oiaohmthere are bigger more possiabley killing things to worry about.Mar 28 07:17
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balzacanother great night at the strip clubMar 28 08:15
balzacand I'll have another night there tomorrow!!Mar 28 08:15
balzacfeelin on their booties...Mar 28 08:16
PetoKraus:)Mar 28 08:22
PetoKrausyeahMar 28 08:22
PetoKrausi'm gonna spend the night supporting HollandMar 28 08:22
PetoKrausin Holland v Scotland matchMar 28 08:22
PetoKraus(i'm in Glasgow)Mar 28 08:22
PetoKrausif i don't come here tomorrow, neds ate me.Mar 28 08:22
balzaccoolMar 28 08:25
balzacI scored tonight in a different wayMar 28 08:26
balzacI tossed a crumpled dollar and it landed right above this stripper's assMar 28 08:26
balzacthat's a goal in a strip clubMar 28 08:26
balzacwhen she's on her hands and knees, booty in the air, to land a crumpled bill in the small of her backMar 28 08:27
balzacit's not anything sexist, it's just how some people make a bit of sport out of the transactionsMar 28 08:28
balzacgirls throw crumpled bills to each other as wellMar 28 08:29
balzacas a sign of appreciationMar 28 08:29
balzacfirst time my friend threw a crumpled bill on a girl, I thought it was a diss and she'd be offended, but it's not considered disrespectful if you have the social status in the establishment to pull it offMar 28 08:30
balzacnow would be a good time for someone to say "you're the man now dog".Mar 28 08:33
PetoKraus:PMar 28 08:33
PetoKrausit's not gonna happenMar 28 08:33
balzacWell, it was two chicks acting out some lesbian fantasyMar 28 08:33
balzacsucking each others nipplesMar 28 08:34
balzacone girl even kissing the other's coochMar 28 08:34
balzacAnd my dollar landed right on top of thatMar 28 08:34
PetoKrausbahMar 28 08:34
balzacso it was a pretty great acheivementMar 28 08:34
PetoKrausit should've been at least a fiverMar 28 08:34
balzactrueMar 28 08:34
balzacbut then it got betterMar 28 08:34
balzacone girl started humping and bumping this other girlMar 28 08:35
balzacI mean really thumping her bootyMar 28 08:35
balzacso I slipped a ten into her topMar 28 08:35
PetoKrausyou knowMar 28 08:35
PetoKrausthis makes a nice breakfast reading :DMar 28 08:35
balzacI had to ask this hot ukranian girl to get off my lap so I could properly reward the behavior I sawMar 28 08:36
balzacsorryMar 28 08:36
PetoKrausnpMar 28 08:36
PetoKrausi'm laughingMar 28 08:36
balzacit was dry humping, just for theatric effect, but it was quite niceMar 28 08:36
balzacIt's like DnDMar 28 08:37
balzacyou can gain or lose hit pointsMar 28 08:37
balzacwell, my last couple of trips to the strip club, I've made big gains in pimp pointsMar 28 08:37
PetoKrausrightMar 28 08:37
balzaclast time, a double lap-dance by to tall black girls with man-crushing thighsMar 28 08:37
PetoKrausnow you can say "wherez my bichez"Mar 28 08:37
balzacone on each kneeMar 28 08:37
balzacarms resting on their booties, sippin my beerMar 28 08:38
balzactill some jealous chav came up and farted like a terroristMar 28 08:38
PetoKraus:DMar 28 08:38
PetoKrausyou knowMar 28 08:38
PetoKrausthe difference between chavs and neds isMar 28 08:38
PetoKrauschavs are funnyMar 28 08:38
balzaci'm using the word "chav" loosely here because I'm in NYCMar 28 08:38
PetoKrausneds are sadMar 28 08:38
balzacI mean a chump, because I'm the pale guyMar 28 08:39
balzacwho dresses like a chavMar 28 08:39
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balzaci'll have to look up "ned"Mar 28 08:39
balzaci work hard for the money i spend on these girlsMar 28 08:40
balzacit's not like many guys have a right to be jealous of meMar 28 08:41
oiaohmhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php...  Ok SCO has a case this time.Mar 28 08:45
balzacoiaohm: good topic to bring upMar 28 08:47
balzacI said before that when SCO was ordered to pay Novell, it was just Microsoft transferring cash from one proxy to anotherMar 28 08:47
balzacM$ was just recycling their money which is allocated in their anti-GNU/Linux war-chestMar 28 08:48
oiaohmLook at what novell tried to claim in costs balzacMar 28 08:48
balzacyeahMar 28 08:48
oiaohmLot of things you should never dare claim.Mar 28 08:48
balzachow much?Mar 28 08:48
oiaohm50 000Mar 28 08:48
oiaohmNot much in costs but claiming video syncing.Mar 28 08:49
oiaohmCome on if you cannot record stuff right it is your fault.Mar 28 08:49
balzacyeah, reminds me of a bad ISP who charges for spam filtration for each email account separatelyMar 28 08:50
oiaohmIe 50 000 is the disputred ammount.Mar 28 08:50
oiaohmSo the bill is a lot larger than that.Mar 28 08:50
balzac10 dollars a month per email account, 5 dollars more for spam protection for each accountMar 28 08:50
balzacon top of monthly fees for bandwidthMar 28 08:51
balzacthat was how badly this ISP was leeching on a charity for pediatric cancerMar 28 08:51
balzacAnd the guy from this ISP had the nerve to give me attitude when I disputed the amount they claimed the charity owed them.Mar 28 08:52
balzacI should have gone to his office in personMar 28 08:52
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watc...Mar 28 08:53
balzacshe really had that word stuck in her mouthMar 28 08:54
oiaohmYep she is not going to live that down any time soon.Mar 28 08:54
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/wat...Mar 28 08:55
oiaohmNews must be slow schestowitzMar 28 08:58
balzachehehMar 28 08:58
balzacRoy deserves a breakMar 28 08:58
schestowitzMany more like it.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZgusJB...Mar 28 08:59
schestowitzoiaohm: I'm just doing something else nowMar 28 08:59
balzacit doesn't all have to be about Novell and Microsoft's dirty deeds 24/7Mar 28 08:59
oiaohmAnyone else noticed the numbers of computer mags that have disappeared from print.Mar 28 09:00
balzacnot me because I basically never buy computer magazinesMar 28 09:02
balzacmaybe I ought to pick a good one to subscribe toMar 28 09:02
schestowitzFAUX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAc...Mar 28 09:02
balzacif there were a GNU-centric magazine, I might subscribeMar 28 09:02
oiaohmAt the rate they are disappearing by the time you get around to it they might not be any balzacMar 28 09:02
oiaohmMost are going to online format only.Mar 28 09:02
balzacman, J-lo should have sent someone to deliver a beat-down to that guy from FoxMar 28 09:04
balzacshepMar 28 09:04
balzacMaybe I'll go and pimp-slap him if that particular fox-studio is in NYMar 28 09:04
balzacI confronted a guy in a bar for talking trash about Paris HiltonMar 28 09:05
balzache said she was scum in a loud voiceMar 28 09:05
balzacI called him a douche bag from across the barMar 28 09:05
balzache came up, 6'5", over 200lbs, all huffyMar 28 09:06
balzacI barely even acknowledged him because I wasn't worried about such a country-club cuMar 28 09:07
balzacchumpMar 28 09:07
balzacthe girl behind the bar sent him out and I stayed after the bar closedMar 28 09:07
balzacyeaaahhhhh.Mar 28 09:07
balzacRoy, I hope you leave my best bar and strip-club stories in the IRC logs you publlishMar 28 09:13
balzacsome of these deserve to be immortalized on a regal site like BNMar 28 09:13
schestowitzYou're trying to drive up the 'ratings'Mar 28 09:17
balzacwith the celebrity mentions?Mar 28 09:17
balzacwell, you guys chose to be directly confrontational with Novell and MSMar 28 09:18
balzacthat drew the ire of their trollsMar 28 09:18
balzacit's a great news resource for those who are waiting for baited breath for bad news for MSMar 28 09:19
schestowitzbalzac: no, not their trollsMar 28 09:20
schestowitzMost readers (vast majority) are just proponents of LinuxMar 28 09:20
balzacI'm one of those who eagerly awaits the demise of MS' monopolyMar 28 09:20
schestowitzSome read it for the Microsoft coverageMar 28 09:20
schestowitzNot trollingMar 28 09:20
balzacwell, I read it for the fact that it's the most directly confrontational and activeMar 28 09:20
schestowitzWe cover story that the Wintel press won't cover... or aspects of the stories it conveniently ignoresMar 28 09:20
balzacyeah, and stories which people who prefer to focus exclusively on positive or feel-good content choose to ignoreMar 28 09:21
schestowitzPeople get tired from the "Why Linux is better than Windows" postsMar 28 09:21
balzacit's old-fashioned, muck-raking journalismMar 28 09:21
balzaclike Greg Palast or Michael Moore, except for about softwareMar 28 09:21
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balzacLinus Torvalds and even Mark Shuttleworth set a bad example by advising against confrontational rhetoric and disagreement within the community.Mar 28 09:23
schestowitzbalzac: I was thinking more like ouTubeMar 28 09:23
schestowitzOne issue is people like Red Hat's (new) CEOMar 28 09:24
balzachim tooMar 28 09:24
schestowitzHis remarks are being spun and turned against LinuxMar 28 09:24
schestowitzImagine Ballmer saying such things.Mar 28 09:24
schestowitzHe too had his words interpreted as Vista sucksMar 28 09:24
balzacyep, he's like Bill Clinton, more eager to be friends with those whom he is expected to opposeMar 28 09:24
schestowitzWhat was said though is that desktop profitability is overMar 28 09:24
balzacmore friendly with the opposition than the baseMar 28 09:25
schestowitzFor Windows tooMar 28 09:25
schestowitzIt's not practicability of desktop LinuxMar 28 09:25
schestowitzIt's a question of business senseMar 28 09:25
schestowitzYou wouldn't try to sell torrent clientsMar 28 09:25
balzacpretty soon Obama better act like he's hangin some brain, or else he'll be like another ClintonMar 28 09:25
schestowitzPeople get these for freeMar 28 09:25
schestowitzThe honeymoon for those who sell overpriced softwarae is overMar 28 09:25
schestowitzDesktop includedMar 28 09:25
schestowitzApple sells computersMar 28 09:25
schestowitzOS X is an addon more or lessMar 28 09:25
balzacBallmer talks trash and has less than zero respect for people like usMar 28 09:26
schestowitzIBM sells serversMar 28 09:26
schestowitzLinux is complimantaryMar 28 09:26
schestowitzSame with IntelMar 28 09:26
schestowitzAnd likewise H-PMar 28 09:26
schestowitzThat's why Microsoft is dyingMar 28 09:26
schestowitzIt sells hardly sany h/wMar 28 09:26
schestowitzIt LICENCES an archaic OSMar 28 09:26
schestowitzSo it relies only on lockin (sometimes habitual)Mar 28 09:26
balzacand meanwhile, Whitehurst acts like a total wimpMar 28 09:26
schestowitzActs?Mar 28 09:27
balzacwell, he's not really a wimpMar 28 09:27
balzache's just cuddly with BallmerMar 28 09:27
balzaca guy like Whitehurst will show he's not a wimp if confronted by those whom he is supposed to be commercially-aligned withMar 28 09:27
balzache'd be a tough guy to you or me, but a wimp to a microsoft execMar 28 09:28
balzacok, I'm getting carried away againMar 28 09:28
balzacI'm so accustomed to talking trash about important people, it comes too easily nowMar 28 09:29
balzacbut he ought to clam up whenever he wants to say GNU/Linux isn't good enoughMar 28 09:29
balzacit makes me wonder if he's running OSX or Windows instead of Fedora at homeMar 28 09:30
balzacor maybe he doesn't even bother to have a computer at homeMar 28 09:30
balzacMaybe he's one of those guys who only has a computer in his officeMar 28 09:30
schestowitzNo, he has one at homeMar 28 09:31
schestowitzHe offered Roblimo that he'd install Feodra for himMar 28 09:31
schestowitzCause he ran UbuntuMar 28 09:31
balzacwell, apparently he's no software conniseurMar 28 09:32
balzacor else he wouldn't be saying windows is better for home usersMar 28 09:32
balzacand he's not concerned with privacy or autonomy for home usersMar 28 09:32
balzaci guess he thinks of computer users in the way corporatists think of people - as "consumers"Mar 28 09:33
balzacwho cares if they're getting shaken down by the Microsoft protection racket of anti-virus software?Mar 28 09:33
balzacJust so long as RedHat's shareholders get their expected quarterly results and Redhat maintains its position in the servers.Mar 28 09:34
balzacnevermind freedom...Mar 28 09:34
balzacand it's funny how Linus shaved that one guy from AUMar 28 09:35
balzacit's the squares against the freaksMar 28 09:35
balzacWhitehurst is a square, so is LinusMar 28 09:35
balzacLinus would probably shave RMS' beard if he got the chanceMar 28 09:35
schestowitzIt would be a good ideaMar 28 09:36
schestowitzThough RMS would not be recognisable without itMar 28 09:36
balzacno wayMar 28 09:36
schestowitzIt becomes a symbolMar 28 09:36
balzacyou can't shave the gnu-father's beard offMar 28 09:36
schestowitzIt would be foolish for him to change the appearance nowMar 28 09:36
balzache trimmed it, and that's fineMar 28 09:36
schestowitzThere would be old RMS and new RMSMar 28 09:36
schestowitzYes, he didMar 28 09:36
balzacmy dad is an old hippyMar 28 09:37
balzache gets his hair trimmed, but he'll always have long hair and a beardMar 28 09:37
schestowitzSo he's not a fan of the invasion fo Iraw, then.Mar 28 09:37
balzacit's a symbol of not being beholden to any establishmentMar 28 09:37
balzachell noMar 28 09:38
balzacWell, if a man who has African ancestry can become president of the USA, there's no reason a long-haired "freak" can't take over the software scene and humble old Bill Gates.Mar 28 09:39
balzacdown-size his ego...Mar 28 09:39
balzacand all the nay-sayers who say he needs to make himself more presentable by shaving - these people will tell him to wear pancake make-up when he goes on TVMar 28 09:40
balzacI gave Markos Moulitsas a ration of sh_t for wearing pancake make-up for a TV appearance.Mar 28 09:40
balzacwhat kind of self-respecting blogger who is "crashing the gates" puts on pancake make-up like a geisha to go on TV?Mar 28 09:41
balzacDid Genghis Khan wear eye-liner? Did Attila the Hun wear a corset?Mar 28 09:41
balzacI like Keith Olbermann, but he ought to ditch the pancake make-up and insist on having different lighting if he wants to look good.Mar 28 09:42
balzaci've already decided, if I'm going on TV, I'll insist on having no kleig lights that will make me look like a corpse, but I sure as hell will never wear pan-cake makeup no matter whatMar 28 09:43
balzacJust some flat, neutral light that doesn't make a bald head shinyMar 28 09:43
balzacthat's good enoughMar 28 09:43
schestowitzHehe.Mar 28 09:50
schestowitzGot a video of that iTV nterview ?Mar 28 09:50
schestowitz*TV interviewMar 28 09:50
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch...Mar 28 09:51
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trmancowine hit the digg FP :DMar 28 10:09
oiaohmThere is no such thing as 100 percent bad advertisment.Mar 28 10:25
PetoKrausi successfully managed to troll everyone at work by wearing white trousers :DMar 28 10:45
trmancohun?Mar 28 10:45
trmancojust got FF 3.0.8 :DMar 28 10:51
trmancohttp://www.google.com/intl/en/earthhour/2009/Mar 28 10:52
schestowitzPetoKraus: where did you get white pants?Mar 28 10:58
PetoKraus:D homeMar 28 10:59
PetoKrausmade from flax or how do you call itMar 28 11:00
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schestowitzJust done some Windows postsMar 28 11:09
schestowitzI think it's your fault, PetoKraus Mar 28 11:09
schestowitzI did some "eye on Microsoft" posts and you asked for moreMar 28 11:09
PetoKraus:DMar 28 11:10
PetoKrausyeahMar 28 11:10
PetoKrauswell to disappoint youMar 28 11:10
PetoKrausi didn't read BN in ages :/Mar 28 11:10
PetoKrausi simply didn't have timeMar 28 11:10
PetoKrausi had this 11k word long project on my neck.Mar 28 11:10
schestowitzyes, I know.Mar 28 11:14
schestowitzOther people read it though. There's thirst for the lesser covered story that the media omitsMar 28 11:14
PetoKrausit's not that I don't care anymoreMar 28 11:15
PetoKrausi think my opinion on this matter is formulated clearly enoughMar 28 11:15
schestowitz2004: Sun and Linux, Sun and IBM < http://peteryared.blogspot.com/2004/04/... >Mar 28 11:22
PetoKrausinteresting.Mar 28 11:26
PetoKraushmmMar 28 11:52
PetoKrauscould you help me find the article on /. about the AC power without wires?Mar 28 11:55
schestowitzI don't read that siteMar 28 11:56
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PetoKrausi knowMar 28 11:57
PetoKrausit was just a long shotMar 28 11:58
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...Mar 28 12:08
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zer0c00l_heyMar 28 12:17
zer0c00l_i posted a comment in BNMar 28 12:18
zer0c00l_http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/i...Mar 28 12:18
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zer0c00lNetwork outrage last nightMar 28 12:21
zer0c00l:(Mar 28 12:22
zer0c00lmore comments http://gracelyne.wordpress.com/2009...Mar 28 12:25
zer0c00laaahh i am tired answering morons :-(Mar 28 12:29
schestowitzYes, you feed the indoctrinatedMar 28 12:34
schestowitzMicrosoft acts like some political movement there, bribing people for consentMar 28 12:34
zer0c00ldid you see the last comment by Mr.RaSh :PMar 28 12:38
zer0c00lhe is the one who gets more from M$ i guessMar 28 12:38
zer0c00lhe writes more :PMar 28 12:39
Omar87Hey guys. Check this load of crap out: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.c...Mar 28 12:43
zer0c00l:DMar 28 12:43
Omar87load of "bull crap", to be more accurate.Mar 28 12:43
Omar87What do you thinkMar 28 12:44
Omar87?Mar 28 12:44
zer0c00lreadingMar 28 12:44
zer0c00lJack WallenMar 28 12:45
Omar87Yeah, Jack Wallen seems to have totally lost the remaining bits of his mind.Mar 28 12:45
schestowitzzer0c00l: Microsoft pays bloggers in IndiaMar 28 12:53
schestowitzTo write favourably about MicrosoftMar 28 12:53
schestowitzI'll give you the link (it's AstroTurfing)Mar 28 12:53
zer0c00lyeah, probably RasH might have got some CaSh :PMar 28 12:54
schestowitzhttp://thoughtsprevail.blogspot.com/2007/0...Mar 28 12:56
Omar87schestowitz: So what do you think of this?Mar 28 12:58
zer0c00lMicrosoft bribes student,faculties , bloggers, politiciansMar 28 13:01
zer0c00l:(Mar 28 13:01
trmancohttp://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/...Mar 28 13:02
schestowitzOmar87: Wallen was maybe semi-jokingMar 28 13:03
schestowitzHe dislikes MicrosoftMar 28 13:03
zer0c00ltrmanco: thats coolMar 28 13:04
trmancozer0c00l, indeedMar 28 13:04
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_Hicham_Hi guysMar 28 13:05
trmancohello _Hicham_Mar 28 13:05
_Hicham_how r u doing trmanco?Mar 28 13:09
trmancoI'm fineMar 28 13:09
*trmanco lunch timeMar 28 13:09
_Hicham_where are u living?Mar 28 13:09
Omar87schestowitz: Yeah, but if he's semi-joking, what's the point in wasting his time in writing an entire meaningless article?Mar 28 13:14
zer0c00lschestowitz: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/...Mar 28 13:17
schestowitzOmar87: that's exactly what *I* though. I didn't read it carefully thoughMar 28 13:18
_Hicham_India did a great anti novell sit in last yearMar 28 13:19
_Hicham_people were arrestedMar 28 13:19
zer0c00l_Hicham_:yes, i read it happened in keralaMar 28 13:22
schestowitz_Hicham_: not arrestedMar 28 13:24
schestowitzThat's the lie some anti-BN people spreadMar 28 13:24
schestowitzThey were just asked to leave and then removed forcibly (at least one person)Mar 28 13:25
schestowitzThe trolls lied to make it seem like a crimeMar 28 13:25
schestowitzIt was a peaceful protest with leafletsMar 28 13:25
_Hicham_but there was a police interventionMar 28 13:26
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schestowitz_Hicham_: I think it's more like civil servantsMar 28 13:54
zer0c00lhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/i... the post is getting heatMar 28 14:05
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zer0c00lwho is Dan O brian?Mar 28 14:08
zer0c00lwatch tail  http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03...Mar 28 14:18
zer0c00l:DMar 28 14:18
schestowitzIt's a Novell apologistMar 28 14:25
schestowitzMicrosoft tooMar 28 14:25
schestowitzDe Icaza wannabeMar 28 14:25
trmanco:Mar 28 14:25
oiaohmI just posted a comment on that one.Mar 28 14:31
oiaohmSimple point open source world is design open standard so users don't need either flash or silverlight.Mar 28 14:31
zer0c00loiaohm: html5?Mar 28 14:34
zer0c00loiaohm : can you enlighten me in this regard?Mar 28 14:35
trmanco<_Hicham_> where are u living? - PortugalMar 28 14:35
trmancoah crap, he isn't hereMar 28 14:35
oiaohmhtml5 includes video play back.Mar 28 14:36
zer0c00lvideo tag?Mar 28 14:36
oiaohmAnd control from streams.Mar 28 14:36
oiaohmyep.Mar 28 14:36
schestowitzDoes it really include <video> eventually?Mar 28 14:36
oiaohmSVG intergration into html is currently being done.Mar 28 14:36
schestowitzI've not been following the fallout from Apple/Nokia lobbyMar 28 14:36
oiaohmYes it does schestowitz.Mar 28 14:36
schestowitzSVG is already good in FirefoxMar 28 14:36
schestowitzNot in IE, IIRCMar 28 14:37
trmancothey refuse to support itMar 28 14:37
zer0c00lSVG means?Mar 28 14:37
oiaohmSVG tags inside a html file schestowitzMar 28 14:37
trmancoscalable vector graphicsMar 28 14:37
schestowitzzer0c00l: google for demosMar 28 14:37
zer0c00lyesMar 28 14:37
zer0c00l:-)Mar 28 14:37
trmancowikipedia uses lots of svg'sMar 28 14:37
schestowitzLike pages with SVG. It can achieve nice thingsMar 28 14:37
schestowitzSVG is not newMar 28 14:37
schestowitzMicrosoft tried to substitute it with its own 'standard' that it controlsMar 28 14:38
oiaohmSVG in what you see is different files.Mar 28 14:38
schestowitzIt never got ISO prooval, BUT...Mar 28 14:38
oiaohmLike being able to use a SVG gradenit inside a table box.Mar 28 14:38
schestowitzThe OOXML corruption led to it being inserted as part of OOXMLMar 28 14:38
trmancowhat is it calledMar 28 14:38
oiaohmIe html and svg as 1.Mar 28 14:38
oiaohmThat adds a nice new twist to what you can do with a website.Mar 28 14:38
schestowitzVMLMar 28 14:38
trmancoewMar 28 14:39
schestowitzhttp://connect.microsoft.com/IE/fee...Mar 28 14:39
schestowitzThey can't accept standardsMar 28 14:39
schestowitzIt make them pukeMar 28 14:39
schestowitzgates is strongly opposedMar 28 14:39
schestowitzit's the crooks at the top of the company who do thisMar 28 14:39
schestowitzThe programmers don't care muchMar 28 14:39
schestowitzThey get a fixed wageMar 28 14:39
schestowitzSo they would rather comply with standardsMar 28 14:39
MinceRthere are programmers at m$? :>Mar 28 14:39
schestowitzThe greedy bastards at the top won't let themMar 28 14:40
schestowitzMinceR: yes,, naive ones from collegeMar 28 14:40
MinceRj0Mar 28 14:40
schestowitzLike Novell's FriedmanMar 28 14:40
schestowitzMiguel wanted to work there tooMar 28 14:40
schestowitzNow they work for Microsoft from WalthamMar 28 14:40
MinceRoh, inexperienced ones without any scruples :>Mar 28 14:40
oiaohmVML does not have svg shading ablitys.Mar 28 14:40
schestowitzThe paycheck comes from  Novell, but Novell is paid by Microsoft, so...Mar 28 14:40
schestowitzThey develop MSMoonlightMar 28 14:41
schestowitzAnd other 'Windows' toysMar 28 14:41
schestowitzit's funny when you see the Mono camp meeting Microsoft shills/employees in blogsMar 28 14:44
oiaohmhttp://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps...  << quite a few codec formats are supported in html5 schestowitzMar 28 14:44
zer0c00lSVG  samples they are cool :D http://croczilla.com/svg/samples/Mar 28 14:44
schestowitzThey think alike, defend each, other, and so on. Like Dan O'Brian and group..... it's almost like they love Microsoft and you can't help wondering if they use Linux at all.Mar 28 14:45
schestowitzNo image: http://croczilla.com/svg/samples...Mar 28 14:46
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Googl...  <<I always like this pictureMar 28 14:48
zer0c00lI am playing: :D http://croczilla.com/svg/samples/sv...Mar 28 14:49
schestowitzoiaohm: caption: the rack the wrecked Microsoft Mar 28 14:50
MinceRniceMar 28 14:51
oiaohmIts one of the first true linux clusters.Mar 28 14:53
oiaohmRight down the the idea o well I don't care if a bit fails.Mar 28 14:53
oiaohmThey are cheep so I will just replace.Mar 28 14:53
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schestowitzoiaohm: is that so? Nothing from IBM yet? When did Oracle hop on? 1999?Mar 28 14:59
schestowitzGoogle's first logo was designed with the GIMP, I think. It sure looked like it anyway.Mar 28 14:59
schestowitzBut wasn't the GIMP conceived a long time after Google was born? (a few years)Mar 28 15:00
schestowitzGoogle had some other name -- BackRub.Mar 28 15:00
schestowitzLogo of a masseuse... photo ratherMar 28 15:00
schestowitzBackRub =old name for PageRank conceptMar 28 15:00
_Hicham_GIMP is a little bit oldMar 28 15:00
oiaohmschestowitz there were other uni level clusters.  I should have been more correct first commerical usage on the internet of a cluster.Mar 28 15:01
oiaohmBefore that most were single unit things.Mar 28 15:01
schestowitzoiaohm: some people can't help promoting Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/i...Mar 28 15:02
schestowitzNew talking point: Microsoft support Ogg, so use SilverlightMar 28 15:02
zer0c00l:DMar 28 15:02
zer0c00lDan No brianMar 28 15:02
schestowitzIt's iike saying, go to India to have curry.Mar 28 15:03
schestowitzWhy use Ogg?Mar 28 15:03
zer0c00l:DMar 28 15:03
schestowitzuse SilverlightMar 28 15:03
zer0c00llolMar 28 15:03
schestowitzPut ogg in there.Mar 28 15:03
schestowitzEncapsulate it all in binariesMar 28 15:03
_Hicham_great jokeMar 28 15:05
oiaohmhttp://www.khronos.org/openkode/  << read this and you know what khronos is upto with 3d support in webbrowsersMar 28 15:19

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The body usually (but not always) knows best
Former Red Hat Chief (CEO), Who Decided to Leave the Company Earlier This Month, Talks About "Cloud Company Red Hat" to CNBC
shows a lack of foresight and dependence on buzzwords
IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 25, 2024
IRC logs for Monday, March 25, 2024
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
Discord Does Not Make Money, It's Spying on People and Selling Data/Control (38% is Allegedly Controlled by the Communist Party of China)
a considerable share exists
In At Least Two Nations Windows is Now Measured at 2% "Market Share" (Microsoft Really Does Not Want People to Notice That)
Ignore the mindless "AI"-washing
Internet Relay Chat (IRC) Still Has Hundreds of Thousands of Simultaneously-Online Unique Users
The scale of IRC