06.04.10
Gemini version available ♊︎Why Nokia Sued Apple First (or Why Apple is Possibly the ‘Bad Guy’)
Summary: Another angle on the Apple vs Nokia case
WE all know that Apple sued Linux/Android without any prior provocation from the side of Linux/Android. It makes Apple a patent aggressor, but some people cite Nokia as an example of Apple being the victim of a Linux-supporting company [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]. In our third IRC channel (#boycottnovell-social) we have just discussed the point which came to us via Identi.ca [1, 2] (language warning, as it’s IRC and microblogging).
To make a long story short, Oiaohm insisted that it was Apple’s fault as it started to provoke Linux-based products (such as Palm’s WebOS) using patents. He explained that Nokia’s action was defensive in a proactive sense. Partial log is below. █
IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: June 4th, 2010
| schestowitz | “although nokia has been fairly good to free software, when they pull bullshit like that they deserve to be called out [..] hey where was all the stories about nokia when they brought all the litigation with apple for bullshit patents?” @eeefak I wrote about that a lot and denounced Nokia since 2008 http://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org+apple+nokia&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl= | Jun 04 09:51 |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: site:techrights.org apple nokia – Google Search .::. Size~: 35.96 KB | Jun 04 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Some people | Jun 04 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Apple started it | Jun 04 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Never mess with nokia | Jun 04 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Nokia is truly one of the most friendly companies out there. If nokia used all the patents they had they could have 100 percent of the market. | Jun 04 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Apple started it? | Jun 04 10:26 |
| schestowitz | I think Nokia did | Jun 04 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Apple started it. | Jun 04 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Trying to apply font patents on Nokia | Jun 04 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes you should leave well enough alone. | Jun 04 10:34 |
| schestowitz | I see.. | Jun 04 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Ie apple poked nokia with small stick. | Jun 04 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Nokia pulled out huge cub and procedded to beat them into the ground. | Jun 04 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Nokia is fine as long as you are not dumb enough to poke them. | Jun 04 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Any link on that? | Jun 04 10:37 |
| schestowitz | I thought Nokia had struck first | Jun 04 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Ie apple saber rattled. | Jun 04 10:38 |
| oiaohm | I did have the link. | Jun 04 10:38 |
| oiaohm | It was over there iphone they made a statement and nokia kinda exploded. | Jun 04 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Basically nokia believe in pemetive strick if they get wind of you planing to hit them. | Jun 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Show it to me, pls | Jun 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | it’s /very/ important | Jun 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | I accused Nokia is being the first to strike | Jun 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | I’d love to show Apple started it | Jun 04 10:41 |
| oiaohm | I know what the tech was about trying to get google to play ball. | Jun 04 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Let me know if you find this | Jun 04 10:47 |
| schestowitz | You’re usually right about this stuff | Jun 04 10:47 |
| schestowitz | But I ought to at least show evidence from Apple/Nokia | Jun 04 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Its two things. | Jun 04 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Multi-touch and fonts. schestowitz | Jun 04 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Apple was saber rattling about multi-touch attacked quite a few companies. Nokia needs multi-touch to stay competitive. | Jun 04 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Nokia has a lot of core patents. Basically hit Apple hard get a good patent deal. | Jun 04 10:51 |
| schestowitz | But did Apple threaten Nokia? | Jun 04 10:52 |
| MinceR | for yourself, that is | Jun 04 10:52 |
| MinceR | crApple needs to be hit harder so they won’t oppress the industry any more | Jun 04 10:52 |
| oiaohm | Nokia don’t have to threat them before they will hit you. | Jun 04 10:54 |
| oiaohm | If you place your self as a tech road block. | Jun 04 10:54 |
| oiaohm | They will steam roll you. | Jun 04 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Basically apple threating other companies over multi-touch basically put themselves in nokia target to be neturalised before they can attack nokia. | Jun 04 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Be a nice company and nokia is nice to you. | Jun 04 10:55 |
| oiaohm | be a asshole company hope nokia has nothing on you. | Jun 04 10:55 |
| MinceR | and what has Xiph done against Nokia, then? | Jun 04 10:57 |
| oiaohm | http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10004789/apple-multi-touch-patent-on-shaky-ground/ And this is the bit that tops it all. | Jun 04 10:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apple Multi-Touch Patent on Shaky Ground | BNET Technology Blog | BNET .::. Size~: 57.85 KB | Jun 04 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Apples patent might be completely worthless. | Jun 04 10:57 |
| MinceR | don’t forget Nokia’s attack on HTML5. | Jun 04 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Define attack. | Jun 04 10:59 |
| oiaohm | Lot of stuff against Xiph nokia showed was stuff they had licenced from other companies not there own stuff. | Jun 04 10:59 |
| oiaohm | Also hardware decoders are more power effective ie longer battery live. | Jun 04 11:00 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/06/Aquaria-goes-open-source | Jun 04 11:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Aquaria goes open source! – Wolfire Games Blog .::. Size~: 20.09 KB | Jun 04 11:00 |
| MinceR | Nokia along with crApple made sure that HTML5 has no default recommendation for codecs | Jun 04 11:00 |
| MinceR | when it could have been Theora/Vorbis. | Jun 04 11:00 |
| MinceR | that was an asshole move | Jun 04 11:01 |
| MinceR | it was said that Nokia did it so they could force DRM-encrusted shit the throats of users. | Jun 04 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Yep Nokia was on of the first to support VP8 | Jun 04 11:01 |
| MinceR | s/hit/hit down/ | Jun 04 11:01 |
| MinceR | there was no VP8 back then. | Jun 04 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it would not have been necessary | Jun 04 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Nokia was also the first to call google to release vp8 | Jun 04 11:02 |
| schestowitz | YouTUbe could use Ogg | Jun 04 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Google bought a company instead | Jun 04 11:02 |
| oiaohm | To solve issue MinceR | Jun 04 11:02 |
| MinceR | it was a nonissue | Jun 04 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Nokia support Microsoft’s Silver Lie | Jun 04 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Since early 2008 | Jun 04 11:03 |
| oiaohm | There are a few issue with Theora | Jun 04 11:03 |
| MinceR | also, don’t forget Nokia’s whining about how the FLOSS community should just do what Nokia wants and help them put DRM everywhere. | Jun 04 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Ari’s rant | Jun 04 11:03 |
| MinceR | what issues? slightly less efficient than the holy H.264? | Jun 04 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Vorbis you can build hardware decoders for quite well. | Jun 04 11:03 |
| oiaohm | H264 the same. | Jun 04 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Linux users “need some education” | Jun 04 11:03 |
| MinceR | or perhaps VC-1? (lol) | Jun 04 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Theora has issues when you try to turn it into power effective circuit. | Jun 04 11:04 |
| oiaohm | VC-1 is worse than Theora in a circuit. | Jun 04 11:04 |
| MinceR | so what do you recommend? i’d recommend using a CPU. | Jun 04 11:04 |
| oiaohm | Decated cirucit does not take as much power and lets the cpu run slow and pull less power. | Jun 04 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Remember lot of Nokia devices are about days of battery life. | Jun 04 11:05 |
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| oiaohm | http://mashable.com/2009/01/26/apple-multi-touch-patent/ << the nokia attack on apple would have started from here. schestowitz | Jun 04 11:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apple Gets Their Multi-Touch Patent; Is Palm Screwed? .::. Size~: 89.79 KB | Jun 04 11:15 |
| oiaohm | A quite open patent attack against Palm over multitouch that nokia will need to implement to complete against iphone. | Jun 04 11:16 |
| oiaohm | Don’t go rattling sabbers sometimes you wake up a monster who is in on mood in talking. | Jun 04 11:17 |
| oiaohm | http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/22/tim-cook-apple-will-aggressively-protect-iphone-intellectual-property/ And these rumors would have made Nokia think offence is better than waiting around. | Jun 04 11:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Tim Cook: Apple Will Aggressively Protect iPhone Intellectual Property – Mac Rumors .::. Size~: 18.34 KB | Jun 04 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Yep don’t rumor that you are going to Aggressively protect tech then be infringing on stuff. | Jun 04 11:21 |
| oiaohm | I guess schestowitz is afk | Jun 04 11:21 |
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| oiaohm | Can you see the start point now. schestowitz | Jun 04 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Ie apple says they going to protect the tech in the iphone. | Jun 04 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Nokia gets upset. | Jun 04 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I read that | Jun 04 11:40 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna do a post about it | Jun 04 11:40 |
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