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techrights-botCamera infected with #micosoft #ProprietarySoftware 04 00:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This Guy Got a Minecraft Server Running on His Canon DSLRMar 04 00:00
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techrights-bot#Radeon R600 Gallium3D Flips On #OpenGL 4.5 For NIR Backend - Phoronix ⇨ •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #LinuxMar 04 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Radeon R600 Gallium3D Flips On OpenGL 4.5 For NIR Backend - PhoronixMar 04 00:03
techrights-bot#ProprietarySoftware but runs on #gnu #linux now... even new releases of distros 04 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AJA Video Systems Releases Desktop Software v16 – rAVe [PUBS]Mar 04 00:03
techrights-bot" #Collabora loves LibreOffice! We’re still contributing to #LibreOffice and encourage you too to do so because LibreOffice rocks." 04 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Collabora Online Community Roundup #10 - Collabora Office and Collabora OnlineMar 04 00:05
techrights-bot"Ramon Miranda was preset at virtual #Fosdem 2021 in the #KDE booth to demonstrate Krita. Here’s a timelapse of the event, with comments! If you want to know more about the free and open source software community where Krita came into existence, watch it!" 04 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fosdem 2021: A painting timelapse with comments | KritaMar 04 00:05
techrights-bot#FreeSoftwareFoundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #TuxMachines #fsf #freeswMar 04 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Foundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston | Tux MachinesMar 04 00:06
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schestowitz__MinceR: look at the face of the guy in the middleMar 04 00:11
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techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 00:26
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techrights-botThe EPO's Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal #Patents on Software #epo #corruption #swpatsMar 04 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | TechrightsMar 04 00:58
techrights-botMeme: #EPO Management Totally Gets 'Tehc' #Europe #patent #corruption #crimeMar 04 01:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Meme: EPO Management Totally Gets ‘Tehc’ | TechrightsMar 04 01:07
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techrights-bot#FreeSoftware Calling • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini:// 04 01:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Calling | TechrightsMar 04 01:39
techrights-botThe “clusterfuck” which the EPO has become is negatively affecting not only #EPO staff but also stakeholders, who sink into depression and sometimes anger, even fury, at great expense to their health • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ •●• #Techrights gemini:// 04 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | TechrightsMar 04 01:40
techrights-botWhen it comes to #patents it seems like we should take a lesson from #russia #twitter bans you for talking about it 04 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Russia: First "public security” compulsory license - Kluwer Patent BlogMar 04 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | TechrightsMar 04 01:42
techrights-bot"After we pine about the way things used to be, Mike shares why he is developing a fondness for C++." #cpp #programmingMar 04 01:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Forbidden | Coder Radio 403 | Jupiter BroadcastingMar 04 01:44
techrights-botThe bestest #patent office in the whole wide world is besting the “hey hi” (AI) cutting edge; don't worry about exam and certification integrity • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ gemini:// 04 01:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Meme: EPO Management Totally Gets ‘Tehc’ | TechrightsMar 04 01:45
techrights-botFewer people are willing to “put up with the shit” given by so-called #BigTech, seeing that it’s mostly about #socialcontrol rather than enablement or emancipation • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ •●• #Techrights #GNU #FreeSW gemini:// 04 01:45
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techrights-botShaming people into being vaccinated (for COVID-19 I mean, not in general) won't help. In fact, it might only further reinforce the stigma that discourages trust in those vaccines to begin with. Don't call people who reject barely-tested vaccines "anti-vaxxers" (or else that label now applies to half the population).Mar 04 01:52
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superkuhWhich vaccine is barely tested?Mar 04 02:08
superkuhThe adenovirus vector ones honestly creep me out a little bit. I'd far prefer inert charged fats carrying some mRNA across my cell membranes.Mar 04 02:08
superkuhBut both are preferable to a real virus replicating within me that I have no immune exposure to.Mar 04 02:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rosetta May Be Removed From M1 Macs in Some Regions on macOS 11.3 - MacRumorsMar 04 04:45
DaemonFC[m]Mom says she's considering getting the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.Mar 04 04:47
DaemonFC[m]Figures that if it makes her sick for a couple days at least she won't have two call off incidents at work.Mar 04 04:47
superkuhIntentionally?Mar 04 04:57
superkuhWhy not the better mRNA vaccines?Mar 04 04:57
vmg3Bots not working please rollback and reboot 04 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft: Windows 10 'Known Issue Rollback' auto-fixes update bugsMar 04 04:57
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techrights-bot#Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, March 03, 2021 full archive: #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextMar 04 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bulletin ArchivesMar 04 05:36
techrights-bot#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now available as plain text @ #dweb #sharingMar 04 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Full IPFS IndexMar 04 05:36
schestowitz__[02:08] <superkuh> Which vaccine is barely tested?Mar 04 05:37
schestowitz__all of them, made in a matter of monthsMar 04 05:38
schestowitz__no longterm studiesMar 04 05:38
schestowitz__whether it's worth a chance is another questionMar 04 05:38
schestowitz__some in Russia don't trust their ownMar 04 05:38
schestowitz__not sure about the Chinese one, as they don't report much,  not objectively anywayMar 04 05:38
techrights-botPromoting #snakeoil as #security is promoting no real security, just a waste of money see 04 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 5 of the Best Hardware Security Keys for Two-Factor Authentication - Make Tech EasierMar 04 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | TechrightsMar 04 05:40
techrights-botArduino Blog - Avoid eyestrain with the help of the Eyesight Guardian ⇨ •●• #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in 04 05:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Arduino Blog » Avoid eyestrain with the help of the Eyesight GuardianMar 04 05:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsMar 04 05:41
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: seems like J&J may be the only one not lying about efficacyMar 04 05:41
techrights-bot#techmint pushing #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware with #surveillance just to remind readers it's not serious about tech :/Mar 04 05:45
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techrights-bot"Google Ethics" is a paradox 04 05:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What's happening with Google Ethics? | Stop at Zona-MMar 04 05:51
techrights-bot#RaspberryPi lookalike offers RK3288 for $75 no #microsoft infestation in this one: 04 05:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Geniatech XPI-3288 Raspberry Pi lookalike features Rockchip RK3288 SoC | Tux MachinesMar 04 05:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Raspberry Pi Reaffirms Its Commitment to Microsoft (as Trojan Horse Inside Classrooms) and Abandons the Free Software Community | TechrightsMar 04 05:53
techrights-bot"Always wanted to contribute to open-source projects but didn't know where to start?" Certainly not #ProprietarySoftware #github , #rustlang #deletegithub or it's just volunteering for #microsoft monopoly 04 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This Week in Rust 380 · This Week in RustMar 04 05:56
techrights-botLOL. "Wireless mouse-utility lacks proper authentication and opens Windows systems to attack." #microsoft #windows #security #nsa #backdoorsMar 04 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unpatched Bug in WiFi Mouse App Opens PCs to Attack | ThreatpostMar 04 06:00
techrights-bot#BananaPi BPI-M2 Pro is a compact Amlogic S905X3 SBC • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ no #microsoft #malware secretly inserted into this one: 04 06:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Banana Pi BPI-M2 Pro is a compact Amlogic S905X3 SBC | Tux MachinesMar 04 06:03
techrights-bot#Chrome 89 vs. #Firefox 86 Performance Benchmarks On #AMD #Ryzen + #Ubuntu Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●•Mar 04 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chrome 89 vs. Firefox 86 Performance Benchmarks On AMD Ryzen + Ubuntu Linux | Tux MachinesMar 04 06:04
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMar 04 06:04
techrights-botMoving commits between independent git histories • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #python #gentooMar 04 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Moving commits between independent git histories | Tux MachinesMar 04 06:04
psydroid 04 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The old “PC Gaming” has died. And why you should just buy a console… | by Italo Baeza Cabrera | MediumMar 04 06:07
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DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz__ "DaemonFC: seems like J&J may be "> I got her an appointment to be vaccinated at a state site on the 26th. J&J vaccine.Mar 04 06:07
psydroiddon't tell the people on ##hardwareMar 04 06:07
schestowitz__ 04 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SPARK UWB technology takes aims at Bluetooth with lower power consumption, higher bandwidthMar 04 06:10
schestowitz__psydroid: I have not clickedMar 04 06:10
schestowitz__but it sounds dumb on the surfaceMar 04 06:11
schestowitz__should say, you don't need a consoleMar 04 06:11
schestowitz__use a proper computer Mar 04 06:11
schestowitz__generally-purpose insteadMar 04 06:11
schestowitz__"You don't need servers, use the clown"Mar 04 06:11
schestowitz__"you don't need a toilet, use public lavatories"Mar 04 06:11
schestowitz__"you don't need silverware, eat with you hands and rely on takeout"Mar 04 06:12
techrights-bot#NumPy 1.20 has been released #pythonMar 04 06:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NumPy 1.20 has been released []Mar 04 06:13
techrights-bot#NumPy needs to #deletegithub but now that Guido van Icaza agreed to work for the criminals from Redmond it may be harder to explain to them why. #ProprietarySoftware #monopolyMar 04 06:14
schestowitz__Chaekyung: typo on headlineMar 04 06:19
schestowitz__of yoursMar 04 06:19
schestowitz__missing wordMar 04 06:19
schestowitz__HahaMar 04 06:21
schestowitz__"We can only hope the Community Consulting Teams of Boston (CCT) will point out that an organization called "Free Software Foundation" should focus on promoting free software, not cater to a tiny minority of mentally ill satanic cult members by promoting 白左 nonsense. That outcome is, sadly, not a given these days. We can't rule out that the CCT will recommend that the FSF abandons its free software roots and becomes a 白左 Mar 04 06:21
schestowitz__social justice organization through and through. That would probably spark some narrow short term interest and publicity, but it would be a death-sentence in the long run."Mar 04 06:21
schestowitz__what is 白左 ?Mar 04 06:21
techrights-botThe #FreeSoftwareFoundation Has Into A Consulting Agreement To Improve Its Image "We can't rule out that the CCT will recommend that the FSF abandons its free software roots" #fsfMar 04 06:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Foundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston | Tux MachinesMar 04 06:22
techrights-botLWN on Kernel: 5.12 Merge, Lockless Algorithms, and opy_file_range() • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #kernelMar 04 06:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LWN on Kernel: 5.12 Merge, Lockless Algorithms, and opy_file_range() | Tux MachinesMar 04 06:22
schestowitz__is that what happened to SFC?Mar 04 06:23
schestowitz__Hiring professional trolls?Mar 04 06:23
schestowitz__and basically alienating many who have long cared about SF?Mar 04 06:23
schestowitz__[04:47] <DaemonFC[m]> Mom says she's considering getting the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.Mar 04 06:24
schestowitz__Same with my dad, tell her she's not insane :-)Mar 04 06:24
schestowitz__It encourages the body to develop its own immune responseMar 04 06:24
psydroidhe draws some strange conclusions, but I think the main point about x86 CPU + discrete GPU becoming a niche option for gaming rings true. The economics seem broken, as only those with deep pockets can afford it anymoreMar 04 06:26
psydroidI would just go with an affordable ARM/RISC-V option with integrated graphics running free software for most purposes and not a black box such as a console or tabletMar 04 06:26
mjg59*All* vaccines encourage the body to develop its own immune responseMar 04 06:27
mjg59That's kind of the pointMar 04 06:27
schestowitz__the question is howMar 04 06:29
schestowitz__psydroid: some of the consoles are just subsidised DRMMar 04 06:29
schestowitz__and learn a lesson from PS3Mar 04 06:29
schestowitz__one moment they tell you to use gnu/linux on itMar 04 06:30
schestowitz__then they ban itMar 04 06:30
schestowitz__so you don't even own your own [sic] machineMar 04 06:30
psydroidyes, that's a risk I've never been willing to takeMar 04 06:31
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psydroidor more like foolish decision to makeMar 04 06:32
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Chaekyungschestowitz__: 白左 losely translates to "white left"Mar 04 06:47
Chaekyungthere is, oddly, a wikipedia article about it in English 04 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Baizuo - WikipediaMar 04 06:49
schestowitz__can you read my article?Mar 04 06:49
schestowitz__it cites yoursMar 04 06:49
schestowitz__ 04 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | TechrightsMar 04 06:50
schestowitz__there may be typosMar 04 06:50
Chaekyung>that this may be good news because might “recommend that the FSF abandons its free software roots” Mar 04 06:51
Chaekyung?Mar 04 06:52
Chaekyungthis may not be good news?Mar 04 06:52
Chaekyungnot sure I meant to imply that's good newsMar 04 06:52
schestowitz__wrong sentenceMar 04 06:52
schestowitz__will correctMar 04 06:52
mjg59"Alex Olive"Mar 04 06:52
Chaekyungthat's a pretty spot on articleMar 04 06:54
mjg59schestowitz__: You realise that the "mentally ill satanic cult members" assertion links to an article discussing a trans woman?Mar 04 06:56
mjg59I'm not sure why you keep linking to transphobic contentMar 04 06:57
schestowitz__there is no "transphobic content"Mar 04 06:58
schestowitz__Calling out some of the trolling left, like self-described "SJW, is not "transphobic content"Mar 04 06:58
mjg59schestowitz__: An article that refers to a trans woman as his/"her" is transphobicMar 04 06:59
schestowitz__not my wordsMar 04 06:59
schestowitz__you can nitpick on others' piecesMar 04 06:59
mjg59So you linked to transphobic contentMar 04 06:59
mjg59Like I saidMar 04 06:59
schestowitz__you love holding me accountable for what OTHER people sayMar 04 06:59
schestowitz__I always don't agree with PARTS of things I link toMar 04 07:00
schestowitz__people aren't thinking identicalltyMar 04 07:00
schestowitz__NOR SHOULD THEYMar 04 07:00
mjg59What are you disagreeing with here?Mar 04 07:00
mjg59You linked to transphobic contentMar 04 07:01
schestowitz__you are right, we should just "Cancel" everyone we partly disagree withMar 04 07:01
schestowitz__and not link to themMar 04 07:01
mjg59If you're fine doing that, well, sureMar 04 07:01
schestowitz__also we should torture themMar 04 07:01
schestowitz__and burn themMar 04 07:01
mjg59But you're alienating a bunch of the free software community in the processMar 04 07:01
schestowitz__By that logic, linking to BBC is promoting pedophiliaMar 04 07:01
schestowitz__for many reasonsMar 04 07:02
schestowitz__Savile, Gates funding (enabler of Jeff Epstein)Mar 04 07:02
schestowitz__so by linking to BBC you hurt child rape victimsMar 04 07:02
schestowitz__stop linking to BBS, mjg59Mar 04 07:02
schestowitz__*BBCMar 04 07:02
mjg59Getting into whataboutism againMar 04 07:02
techrights-botThe Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini:// 04 07:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | TechrightsMar 04 07:03
schestowitz__now you do link-policingMar 04 07:03
mjg59You didn't merely link to itMar 04 07:03
mjg59You quoted itMar 04 07:03
schestowitz__like claiming that because one of hundreds of clients of the company I work for is London Town Hall makes me guilty of something done by police of the  mayor from 5 years agoMar 04 07:04
schestowitz__(Who is now our Pry MinisterMar 04 07:04
mjg59Oh, come on now RoyMar 04 07:04
mjg59You now I didn't say thatMar 04 07:04
schestowitz__I didn't quote the "harder" partsMar 04 07:04
schestowitz__I quoted the part about mission change/creepMar 04 07:04
schestowitz__which is likely spot on (that particular part)Mar 04 07:05
schestowitz__you don't do consulting without plan to act on itMar 04 07:05
mjg59You quoted the bit that says " mentally ill satanic cult members "Mar 04 07:05
schestowitz__i.e. to change courseMar 04 07:05
schestowitz__no, I did notMar 04 07:05
schestowitz__you clicked on a linkMar 04 07:05
mjg59 04 07:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Foundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston | Tux MachinesMar 04 07:05
schestowitz__and then read something I did not quoteMar 04 07:05
schestowitz__that's TuxMachinesMar 04 07:05
mjg59"Submitted by Roy Schestowitz"Mar 04 07:05
schestowitz__written by ChaekyungMar 04 07:05
mjg59Sorry, didn't realise there were two of youMar 04 07:06
schestowitz__take it with him, not meMar 04 07:06
mjg59So you did quote it?Mar 04 07:06
schestowitz__for parts of itMar 04 07:06
schestowitz__not the "Satanic" partMar 04 07:06
schestowitz__which I find absurdMar 04 07:06
schestowitz__as I fail to see the connectionMar 04 07:06
mjg59RoyMar 04 07:06
mjg59You literally quoted itMar 04 07:06
mjg59The word "satanic" is in what you quotedMar 04 07:06
schestowitz__except that crazy "Ethical" licence person who literally did satanic BS ritualMar 04 07:06
mjg59So when I said you quoted it and you said you didn't, were you mistaken?Mar 04 07:07
schestowitz__like I said, you try to hold me accountable by taking bits of text I did not write, in a comment on a site with about 50 entries per  dayMar 04 07:07
mjg59So when I said you quoted it and you said you didn't, were you mistaken?Mar 04 07:07
schestowitz__good day, you waste my time nowMar 04 07:07
schestowitz__byeMar 04 07:07
techrights-bot#gnome risks becoming dependent more and more on prisoner of #microsoft #rustlang #deletegithubMar 04 07:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rust and GNOME Builder – Zen and the Art of GNOMEMar 04 07:11
techrights-botIt might shock some in the fake left that not everyone in the world agrees with everything they say. And if they truly accept cultural differences, they will settle on some grounds. Also, that fake left doesn't want to mention what Islam thinks of gays etc. as that's "not convenient..."Mar 04 07:13
mjg59Yeah, Christianity is notable for being just fine with homosexualityMar 04 07:15
techrights-bot#Google launches #Flutter 2.0 to target developers across all platforms | VentureBeat ⇨ •●• #venturebeatMar 04 07:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google launches Flutter 2.0 to target developers across all platforms | VentureBeatMar 04 07:15
techrights-bot#python should also #deletegithub as it's a vastly greater #security risk #NSA #microsoft 04 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Python Package Index nukes 3,653 malicious libraries uploaded soon after security shortcoming highlighted • The RegisterMar 04 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GitHub is Microsoft’s Proprietary Software and Centralised (Monopoly) Platform, But When Canonical’s Account There Gets Compromised Suddenly It’s Ubuntu’s Fault? | TechrightsMar 04 07:17
schestowitz__mjg59: name a christian nation that stones gaysMar 04 07:17
schestowitz__go on...Mar 04 07:17
mjg59Oh, so it's ok to persecute people for their sexuality as long as you don't literally kill them?Mar 04 07:22
mjg59Or is that also bad?Mar 04 07:23
techrights-bot"Futter 2.0 to target developers across all platforms..." if you put years of your life into #programming (IMHO) don't put the eggs in #google basket. See how they treat people who contribute 100% of the "content" to #youtube (to 'monetise' it)Mar 04 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 04 07:23
schestowitz__mjg59: I'm pleased to see your public activism against religionMar 04 07:24
schestowitz__*or not)Mar 04 07:24
mjg59I'm just curious why you picked Islam exclusively hereMar 04 07:25
mjg59Most primarily-Islamic states don't have capital punishment for homosexualityMar 04 07:27
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techrights-bot#IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini:// 04 08:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 | TechrightsMar 04 08:31
schestowitz__mjg59: they are the most radical in that regardMar 04 08:33
schestowitz__and your position is,Mar 04 08:33
schestowitz__religion is intolerantMar 04 08:34
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schestowitz__but it's intolerant to criticise religionMar 04 08:34
schestowitz__so I will focus on bashing freesw activists insteadMar 04 08:34
techrights-bot4 Best #FreeSw Graphical MPD Clients • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 08:35
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techrights-bot#Canonical Chooses Google’s #Flutter UI SDK to Build Future Ubuntu Apps • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 08:35
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techrights-bot#Python : Security and #NumPy 1.20 Release • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 08:35
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techrights-botDr. Richard Stallman is missed by many who perceive him to have been wrongly treated; putting Stallman back in the Board (at the very least) would help the image of the Free Software Foundation • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini:// 04 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | TechrightsMar 04 08:36
techrights-bot#EPO catastrophe: "Why could they not have sent a systemwide message telling us to refresh?" but the bigger issues overlooked: 04 08:38
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mjg59schestowitz__: I think the relevant question is how many states are theocracies, not which religion they followMar 04 08:40
mjg59schestowitz__: Traditional interpretations of Christianity are absolutely as hostile to homosexuality as Islamic theocracies - the difference is that there are currently no Christian theocraciesMar 04 08:42
mjg59(Well, other than the Vatican, but that's kind of a special case)Mar 04 08:42
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schestowitz__mjg59: I appreciate your franknessMar 04 08:43
schestowitz__it's not an easy subjectMar 04 08:43
mjg59schestowitz__: It's certainly not hard to find leaders of Christian churches advocating for the execution of homosexuals. If that style of Christianity were to become more empowered, we'd see the same elsewhere.Mar 04 08:43
schestowitz__they follow their booksMar 04 08:44
schestowitz__they're the real followersMar 04 08:44
mjg59Like the Old TestamentMar 04 08:44
mjg59There are Islamic theocracies right now. In the past there have been Christian theocracies. Theocracies tend to do terrible things to minorities.Mar 04 08:45
mjg59Is the problem Islam, or is it theocracies?Mar 04 08:45
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TavisOrmandy #Programming ☞ Lotus 1-2-3 04 08:46
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #ITWire #Standards ☞ How beers and Vikings gave Bluetooth technology its name 04 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - ESET says more threat groups using Microsoft zero-days in attacksMar 04 08:47
schestowitz__mjg59: books that inspire and glorify violenceMar 04 08:48
schestowitz__don't ban themMar 04 08:48
schestowitz__keep them for historical purposesMar 04 08:48
schestowitz__introduce people to better and less barbaric literatureMar 04 08:49
schestowitz__we don't want kids raised on books that celebrate mass-murdering the "others"Mar 04 08:49
schestowitz__ Dr. Seuss is not the real issueMar 04 08:49
schestowitz__start with brutal crap and fictionMar 04 08:50
schestowitz__but due to the political power of religions, nobody daresMar 04 08:50
schestowitz__ 04 08:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dr. Seuss books going for exorbitant prices on Amazon | WGN-TVMar 04 08:50
schestowitz__instead people go after books authors for not properly gender-balancing and whatever (too many males etc.)Mar 04 08:51
schestowitz__start with the profound issuesMar 04 08:51
schestowitz__or else your activism will be viewed by many as shallow, farcical, a distraction from vastly bigger issuesMar 04 08:51
schestowitz__ 04 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Let’s Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away People’s Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb ‘in Peace’) | TechrightsMar 04 08:52
techrights-botNo, Linux Mint is Not Going to Force Updates Like Windows • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #betanews troll Brian Fagioli intentionally spreading lies to get clicks and push #microsoft adsMar 04 08:54
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #KenShirriff #Hardware ☞ #Germanium transistors: logic circuits in the #IBM 1401 computer 04 08:54
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #NewYorkTimes #au ☞ Without Backpackers to Pick Them, Crops Rot by the Ton in #Australia 04 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Without Backpackers to Pick Them, Crops Rot by the Ton in Australia - The New York TimesMar 04 08:55
schestowitz__vmg3: ^^^^^^^Mar 04 08:56
schestowitz__Barry of Puppy Linux / EasyOS has been doing tons of posts about backpacking and hiking latelyMar 04 08:56
schestowitz__seems like a good escape plan from current timeMar 04 08:56
schestowitz__lots of people broke, unemployment crisis, homelessnessMar 04 08:56
schestowitz__though I didn't see homeless yesterday in ManchesterMar 04 08:57
schestowitz__maybe "suddenly" our government has the will/money to clothe and house them?Mar 04 08:57
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Digitgah.  i got really uplifted when i misread like s/The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board/The Free Software Foundation Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board/.  back down to reality with a bump when i see my eyes had wishfully ommitted the "should".Mar 04 08:58
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vmg3they only want to pay 3.50 an hour an agency makes all the moneyMar 04 08:59
schestowitz__Digit: we have said this for over a year nowMar 04 09:00
vmg3no real accommodation 10 to a roomMar 04 09:00
schestowitz__fell on deaf earsMar 04 09:00
schestowitz__what?!Mar 04 09:00
schestowitz__3.5 aud per hour?!Mar 04 09:00
vmg3yeahMar 04 09:00
schestowitz__wthMar 04 09:00
vmg3shit its slave labourMar 04 09:00
schestowitz__what's it good for? A bag of rice?Mar 04 09:00
schestowitz__beggar nation?Mar 04 09:00
vmg3and the abuse is shockingMar 04 09:00
schestowitz__sad... thought au was betterMar 04 09:01
vmg3if they paid a minimum wage they would get heaps of workersMar 04 09:01
schestowitz__yet food is super expensiveMar 04 09:01
vmg3yesMar 04 09:01
schestowitz__I can imagine the profit marginsMar 04 09:01
Digitschestowitz__: yeah, kinda why my brain wishfully decided that musta been a new different message than "should".  Mar 04 09:01
vmg3and automation is part of the processMar 04 09:01
schestowitz__for coal mining and metals also?Mar 04 09:01
schestowitz__does au even have coal?Mar 04 09:01
vmg3yes heaps of the clean coal meepMar 04 09:02
schestowitz__mad coal maxMar 04 09:02
vmg3crazy unless someone is being exploited they dont want to employMar 04 09:02
vmg3some groups got together to go to the farms and they didn't want themMar 04 09:03
vmg3only want temp visaMar 04 09:03
techrights-bot#IPFire Linux Firewall Distro Now Offers WPA3 Client Support, Faster DNS Resolution • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #SecurityMar 04 09:03
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vmg3we should be shamed not felt sorry forMar 04 09:04
schestowitz__afaik, correct me if wronged, aussie has natural resources magnatesMar 04 09:04
schestowitz__and then a bunch of "lads" to do the actual workMar 04 09:04
schestowitz__so au is a "rich" nation.. for the some in large properties in SydneyMar 04 09:04
schestowitz__for the rest a a shack near the beach to surf and moanMar 04 09:04
vmg3yeah we have guys like twiggy forest making millions a day from iron oarMar 04 09:04
schestowitz__I was gonna mention oarMar 04 09:05
schestowitz__it might run out if they don't literally blow some shit upMar 04 09:05
vmg3they throw money at the richMar 04 09:05
schestowitz__a friend of mine moved to australiaMar 04 09:05
schestowitz__didn't like it, came back to walesMar 04 09:05
schestowitz__changed careers, tooMar 04 09:05
schestowitz__thought it was all sun and fun (ans surfing)Mar 04 09:05
vmg3highly skilled to?Mar 04 09:05
schestowitz__you can also surf in wales btwMar 04 09:05
vmg3they are in demandMar 04 09:06
schestowitz__vmg3: after his phdMar 04 09:06
vmg3but dont want to payMar 04 09:06
vmg3unless you know someoneMar 04 09:06
schestowitz__worked in a uni whose name I forgot. for 2 years.Mar 04 09:06
schestowitz__hated the placeMar 04 09:06
schestowitz__and the cultureMar 04 09:06
vmg3sadMar 04 09:06
vmg3some places are greatMar 04 09:06
schestowitz__probably priceyMar 04 09:06
schestowitz__same hereMar 04 09:06
schestowitz__manchester is OKMar 04 09:07
vmg3you need to have connectionsMar 04 09:07
schestowitz__not too expensive, not too badMar 04 09:07
*Digit wonders if welsh gremlins are good for surfing aroundMar 04 09:07
schestowitz__in winter you need wet suitsMar 04 09:07
vmg3I wish i could surfMar 04 09:07
schestowitz__in summer it's ok without Mar 04 09:07
vmg3not in qld and nt or wa all year they have a wet season in summerMar 04 09:07
schestowitz__it's good exerciseMar 04 09:07
schestowitz__all-body workoutMar 04 09:07
vmg3if your hopeless like me you just get tit rashMar 04 09:08
schestowitz__qld queensland?Mar 04 09:08
vmg3yesMar 04 09:08
schestowitz__wa ewest auMar 04 09:08
Digit (anglesey looks like a gremlin, i point out in case that was not understood from "welsh gremlins"^).Mar 04 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OpenStreetMapMar 04 09:08
schestowitz__n terr?Mar 04 09:08
schestowitz__like in canada?Mar 04 09:08
vmg3yeah and northern territoryMar 04 09:08
schestowitz__hahaMar 04 09:08
schestowitz__not inhabitable in canadaMar 04 09:08
vmg3lifes what you make it still rivers and bushMar 04 09:09
vmg3plenty to see and doMar 04 09:09
vmg3its nice to make a quid as wellMar 04 09:09
schestowitz__with "Smart" 'Phine'Mar 04 09:09
schestowitz__*PhoneMar 04 09:09
schestowitz__"wonder how many likes I can get..."Mar 04 09:10
schestowitz__"this place sucks, I got only one like"Mar 04 09:10
vmg3I wonder how open maps is doing in IndiaMar 04 09:10
schestowitz__"let's go abuse some homeless people and go viral"Mar 04 09:10
schestowitz__india has crazy laws and autocracyMar 04 09:10
vmg3brexit is one of the few things that makes me feel good about AuMar 04 09:10
schestowitz__some corporations love itMar 04 09:10
vmg3cheap labourMar 04 09:11
schestowitz__[23:07] <techrights-bot> #india still being run by corrupt idiots and foreign charlatans including #billgates ... and it shows 04 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freedom to map depends on WHO delivers it | Stop at Zona-MMar 04 09:11
vmg3thats allMar 04 09:11
vmg3I bought a pair of US jeans and they are made in indiaMar 04 09:11
schestowitz__brexit and worse in europe on covid19 responseMar 04 09:11
vmg3won't fall for that againMar 04 09:11
schestowitz__brexit sealed just 2.5 months before lockdownMar 04 09:11
vmg3higher densityMar 04 09:12
schestowitz__not bangladesh?Mar 04 09:12
vmg3yeahMar 04 09:12
schestowitz__india-made = top stuff!Mar 04 09:12
schestowitz__you even 'over'pay the workersMar 04 09:12
vmg3i like their retro motorcyclesMar 04 09:12
schestowitz__when 'Murica was "great"Mar 04 09:12
vmg3that was a while ago nowMar 04 09:13
schestowitz__HellsAngers4TrumpMar 04 09:13
schestowitz__*AngelsMar 04 09:13
vmg3Sturgis was a superspreaderMar 04 09:13
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Big Tech firms see tax windfall after Supreme Court ruling on #Microsoft 04 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft: Big Tech firms see tax windfall after Supreme Court ruling on Microsoft, IT News, ET CIOMar 04 09:14
vmg3rested on their laurels Mar 04 09:14
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #ThreatPost #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Post-Cyberattack, Universal Health Services Faces $67M in Losses 04 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Post-Cyberattack, Universal Health Services Faces $67M in Losses | ThreatpostMar 04 09:14
vmg3I always think of American Dad song "The American Race"Mar 04 09:15
vmg3clownsMar 04 09:15
vmg3i do enjoy seth farlanMar 04 09:15
vmg3inalienable rightsMar 04 09:16
schestowitz__The American Race is immigrants from the far eastMar 04 09:16
schestowitz__before Europeans flocked inMar 04 09:16
vmg3and mexicansMar 04 09:16
schestowitz__how they crossed over? I think through northern RussiaMar 04 09:16
vmg3cubansMar 04 09:16
schestowitz__during winterMar 04 09:16
schestowitz__or with canoes... need to read up on itMar 04 09:17
vmg3I love watching them in AsiaMar 04 09:17
schestowitz__maybe in the future US will be far eatMar 04 09:17
vmg3cry racistMar 04 09:17
schestowitz__*eastMar 04 09:17
schestowitz__China will calibrate the world's mapMar 04 09:17
schestowitz__benjing at the centerMar 04 09:17
schestowitz__US far eastMar 04 09:18
vmg3thats what xi saidMar 04 09:18
schestowitz__maybe europe will be "the west", literallyMar 04 09:18
schestowitz__vmg3: xi did, xi didMar 04 09:18
vmg3i saw today or yesterday him call the US a threatMar 04 09:18
schestowitz__to china it isMar 04 09:19
vmg3cracked me upMar 04 09:19
schestowitz__and for a while notMar 04 09:19
schestowitz__*nowMar 04 09:19
schestowitz__the British alsoMar 04 09:19
vmg3they will work it outMar 04 09:19
schestowitz__ 04 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Second Opium War - WikipediaMar 04 09:19
vmg3supply line is to long for em,  their planes are corroding in guam Mar 04 09:19
schestowitz__waste of human resourcesMar 04 09:20
schestowitz__ruined another islandMar 04 09:20
schestowitz__for nukes and boats and air drillsMar 04 09:20
vmg3yeah this could get a bit politicalMar 04 09:20
schestowitz__they could instead grow cropsMar 04 09:20
schestowitz__or rewilder the place with plantsMar 04 09:20
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schestowitz__i wonder if Australia can be brought back to the days before it was burned dryMar 04 09:21
vmg3military is a behemothMar 04 09:21
schestowitz__they always talk about MARSMar 04 09:21
schestowitz__all aboyt MARSMar 04 09:21
schestowitz__maybe we can make MARS inhabitableMar 04 09:21
vmg3trouble is they think they own space tooMar 04 09:21
schestowitz__yeah, let's fire up 100 ton rockets with equipment on themMar 04 09:21
schestowitz__to terraform MARSMar 04 09:21
schestowitz__not AustraliaMar 04 09:21
schestowitz__Not SaharaMar 04 09:21
schestowitz__MARSMar 04 09:21
schestowitz__because there's lots of  money in itMar 04 09:22
vmg3we give em moneyMar 04 09:22
schestowitz__ask "pedo guy" Elon Mar 04 09:22
vmg3so we can get likesMar 04 09:22
schestowitz__"like" NASAMar 04 09:22
schestowitz__"like" our "Facebook page"Mar 04 09:22
schestowitz__help Mark Z sell adsMar 04 09:22
vmg3he loves his followersMar 04 09:22
schestowitz__he follows backMar 04 09:23
schestowitz__billionsMar 04 09:23
vmg3uses them to manipulate marketsMar 04 09:23
schestowitz__follows to the verge of stalkingMar 04 09:23
schestowitz__1 billion counts of stalkingMar 04 09:23
schestowitz__"I hereby sentence you to prison for a trillion years!'Mar 04 09:23
vmg3really I never paid much attentionMar 04 09:23
schestowitz__oh, you meant Mask cultMar 04 09:23
schestowitz__I thought ZuckMar 04 09:24
schestowitz__your deputy Prime Minister ZuckMar 04 09:24
schestowitz__"Advisor" at leastMar 04 09:24
vmg3once they get a few billion they turn into twatsMar 04 09:24
schestowitz__Advisor to RupeMar 04 09:24
vmg3yep they are all mates Mar 04 09:24
schestowitz__vmg3: they hang out with themMar 04 09:24
schestowitz__other "twats"Mar 04 09:24
schestowitz__so it makes them feel "normal"Mar 04 09:24
schestowitz__like billie G hanging out with EpsteinMar 04 09:25
vmg3they devise other ways to bend over the little peopleMar 04 09:25
schestowitz__offering him to whiten his rep after trafficking thousands of underage girls for screwingMar 04 09:25
schestowitz__but that's normal to themMar 04 09:25
schestowitz__"we're in the same class/club"Mar 04 09:25
vmg3the younger the betterMar 04 09:25
schestowitz__"the plebs are just jealous of us"Mar 04 09:25
schestowitz__"everyone is guilty of something"Mar 04 09:25
vmg3yeahMar 04 09:25
schestowitz__it's an echo chamberMar 04 09:26
schestowitz__they only meet "plebs" for photo opsMar 04 09:26
schestowitz__for as long as it takes, maybe 60 secondsMar 04 09:26
schestowitz__someone prepares them for the photo opsMar 04 09:26
schestowitz__to save them timeMar 04 09:26
vmg3I don't mind people having money but you think there would be a point where they say, "I've got enough now"Mar 04 09:26
schestowitz__"here, bill, we have this black pleb ready for you to do a photo with"Mar 04 09:26
schestowitz__"we've meanwhile contacted all the local papers"Mar 04 09:27
vmg3we bought emMar 04 09:27
schestowitz__that tooMar 04 09:27
schestowitz__they bribe themMar 04 09:27
schestowitz__in africa alsoMar 04 09:27
schestowitz__sites like AllAfricaMar 04 09:27
schestowitz__bought by GatesMar 04 09:27
schestowitz__other oligarchs do the sameMar 04 09:27
schestowitz__but lower profile oligarchsMar 04 09:27
vmg3power kickMar 04 09:27
schestowitz__[09:26] <vmg3> I don't mind people having money but you think there would be a point where they say, "I've got enough now"Mar 04 09:28
vmg3thats all it isMar 04 09:28
schestowitz__that's NOT how the "CLUB" worksMar 04 09:28
schestowitz__the club does not value generosityMar 04 09:28
schestowitz__it looks up your Forbes "rank"Mar 04 09:28
schestowitz__How good a person you areMar 04 09:28
schestowitz__how much money you "amassed"DMar 04 09:28
schestowitz__to "create jobs"Mar 04 09:28
schestowitz__"patriotism"Mar 04 09:28
vmg3I don't knowMar 04 09:29
schestowitz__it's a sicknessMar 04 09:29
schestowitz__and media won't call it thatMar 04 09:29
vmg3I'm happiest when I have the least just good healthMar 04 09:29
schestowitz__it talks of "Internet addiction"Mar 04 09:29
schestowitz__not "money addiction"Mar 04 09:29
schestowitz__because that media is part of that addictionMar 04 09:29
schestowitz__vmg3: some of them don't even have that... see Steve JobsMar 04 09:29
vmg3I've had my periods where I get too much screen timeMar 04 09:30
vmg3cancer will do thatMar 04 09:30
vmg3took my old man then the whole family fell apartMar 04 09:30
vmg3he was the glueMar 04 09:31
vmg3all good nowMar 04 09:31
schestowitz__common situationMar 04 09:31
vmg3yeah i guessMar 04 09:31
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #RogerPiquerasJover ☞ Leveraging digital certificates to protect commercial 5G mobile networks 04 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Leveraging digital certificates to protect commercial 5G mobile networks | Soft HandoverMar 04 09:32
vmg3I've loaded an pi fresh today still setting it up want to try ipfs and see what the merkel can doMar 04 09:32
vmg3orange piMar 04 09:32
vmg3still trying to work it outMar 04 09:33
vmg3seriously need some more hd spaceMar 04 09:34
vmg3my main box is getting crampedMar 04 09:34
techrights-botI'm more than sure that #BokoHaram checks what Michelle Obama says and looks up #twitter hashtags. Terrorists will do what #socialcontrolmedia time wasters tell them... just need more "LIKES" for the cause.Mar 04 09:34
schestowitz__vmg3: I could use your helpMar 04 09:35
vmg3mine? lolMar 04 09:35
schestowitz__one who pins our CIDs is offline for migration to opebsdMar 04 09:35
vmg3your in a world of hurtMar 04 09:35
schestowitz__and so sometimes we're the only one who have a CIDMar 04 09:35
schestowitz__and if I turn mine off it becomes inaccessibleMar 04 09:35
vmg3ok im up for a challengeMar 04 09:36
vmg3you will need to be patientMar 04 09:36
schestowitz__btw, it's merkleMar 04 09:36
schestowitz__not angela merkelMar 04 09:36
vmg3there was a jpg with her standing next to a christmas treeMar 04 09:37
vmg3on a site i was checking outMar 04 09:37
vmg3the only reason i remembered itMar 04 09:37
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #DeutscheWelle #Environment ☞ Killings of human rights defenders 'go largely unnoticed by outside world' 04 09:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Killings of human rights defenders ′go largely unnoticed by outside world′ | DW Freedom | Speech. Expression. Media. | DW | 03.03.2021Mar 04 09:38
vmg3I'll forward the port and let you in if you like shortly i need to do a few thing firstMar 04 09:38
schestowitz__[09:37] <vmg3> there was a jpg with her standing next to a christmas treeMar 04 09:38
schestowitz__I saw that memeMar 04 09:38
vmg3  that where I saw itMar 04 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What is IPFS? - A Beginner's Guide | Hacker NoonMar 04 09:39
schestowitz__vmg3: if it is arm-based, I can copy across some of the things that we haveMar 04 09:39
schestowitz__except sensitive stuffMar 04 09:39
schestowitz__you said "pi"Mar 04 09:39
schestowitz__but then orangeMar 04 09:40
vmg3orange piMar 04 09:40
schestowitz__orange pi is powerfulMar 04 09:40
vmg3cheapMar 04 09:40
schestowitz__but I don't remember what processorMar 04 09:40
vmg3arm v7 but only 512 ramMar 04 09:40
vmg3have about 20 gig space with a stickMar 04 09:41
vmg3only has 1 usbMar 04 09:41
vmg3no wifiMar 04 09:41
vmg3no btMar 04 09:41
vmg3but in terminal hums along okMar 04 09:42
vmg3i still havent done ipfs Mar 04 09:42
vmg3just on my main its runningMar 04 09:42
vmg3still not sure i understand itMar 04 09:43
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes ☞ #PayPal to add 1,000 engineers to #India development centres in 2021 because of wages or superior skills?Mar 04 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PayPal Hiring: PayPal to add 1,000 engineers to India development centres in 2021, IT News, ET CIOMar 04 09:43
vmg3havent forwarded a port but it has incoming and outgoing Mar 04 09:44
techrights-bot#HowTo Enable or Missing #UTF8 Support in Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Enable or Missing UTF-8 Support in Linux | Tux MachinesMar 04 09:44
vmg3need to disconnect from vpn to access my routerMar 04 09:44
vmg3even if i whitelist Mar 04 09:44
vmg3bear with meMar 04 09:45
schestowitz__okMar 04 09:46
techrights-botCorporations are political. Oligarchs are political. Tech is typically corporate and therefore it too is political. Stop this antagonism to #politics where/when it screws you over again and again. #law isn't objective either; it's political and constantly changingMar 04 09:50
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Axios ☞ #Facebook to lift political ad ban imposed after November #election 04 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook to lift political ad ban imposed after November election - AxiosMar 04 09:50
techrights-botPatches for Multiple New #GRUB2 #Security Flaws Start Rolling Out to Linux Distros, Update Now • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines 04 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patches for Multiple New GRUB2 Security Flaws Start Rolling Out to Linux Distros, Update Now | Tux MachinesMar 04 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | UEFI - TechrightsMar 04 09:59
techrights-botWestern democracy: one person, one vote. One person, many media outlets, each reaching and indoctrinating millions of votersMar 04 10:12
techrights-botGovernment: we need the media to expose lies. Liars: we buy the media to tell lies.Mar 04 10:14
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techrights-botTop 10 Best Linux #PortScanners for Network Admins • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 10:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Top 10 Best Linux Port Scanners for Network Admins | Tux MachinesMar 04 10:19
techrights-botMeasure your Internet of Things with #RaspberryPi and #opensource tools • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Measure your Internet of Things with Raspberry Pi and open source tools | Tux MachinesMar 04 10:22
techrights-bot#BSDNow : macOS inspired Desktop 04 10:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BSD Now 392: macOS inspired DesktoMar 04 10:26
techrights-bot#ProprietarySoftware and (In)Security • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 10:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Proprietary Software and (In)Security | Tux MachinesMar 04 10:33
techrights-botAudiocasts/Shows: #BSDNow , The Linux Link Tech Show, Coder Radio • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #TLLTSMar 04 10:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Audiocasts/Shows: BSDNow, The Linux Link Tech Show, Coder Radio | Tux MachinesMar 04 10:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Calling | TechrightsMar 04 10:39
techrights-bot2021: we humans must stay home and can get out once a day just for food (like dogs with their poop) 04 10:40
techrights-bot"Whether you're just learning #GDB or you're a pro at it, it never hurts to have a reminder of what commands are available to you and what the syntax for those commands are." #programming #gnu 04 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learn to debug code with the GNU Debugger | Opensource.comMar 04 10:41
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 10:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMar 04 10:42
techrights-bot"This is the latest in our monthly series summarizing the past month on the Community Blog. Please leave a comment below to let me know what you think." 04 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Community Blog monthly summary: February 2021 – Fedora Community BlogMar 04 10:43
techrights-bot#Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #Google #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 10:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 04 10:44
techrights-botShould anyone go to prison based on secret SOFTWARE? 04 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Should anyone go to prison based on secret SOFTWARE? | Stop at Zona-MMar 04 10:47
techrights-botBuilding rootless #containers for #JavaScript front ends 04 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Building rootless containers for JavaScript front ends - Red Hat DeveloperMar 04 10:48
techrights-bot#TerminalFinances can be taken more seriously after #deletegithub do not host code with #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly as that does harm 04 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Manage your personal budget with this open source application | Opensource.comMar 04 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | TechrightsMar 04 10:51
techrights-bot#Microsoft is interjecting shims for #proprietarysoftware with #NSA back doors... into the #Linux #kernel 04 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Sends Out Patches For Hyper-V "Isolation VMs" With Linux - PhoronixMar 04 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hyper-V Reality Log - TechrightsMar 04 10:53
techrights-botNow the phony and charlatan Jim #zemlin can pretend he can finally (belatedly) learn #linux ... and no, he's likely lying about knowing Nippon, he may have lived in #japan for one year 04 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Linux Foundation Continues to Expand Japanese Language Training & Certification - Linux.comMar 04 10:56
techrights-botJim #zemlin is NOT a tech. He's a #marketing guy. Charlatans and snakeoil pushers. In a conference I want someone in the audience to challenge him on claims he's fluent in Japanese. 04 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jim Zemlin - TechrightsMar 04 10:58
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techrights-botLinks 4/3/2021: #Pardus 19.5 is Out and Free Software Foundation Gets Consulting Grant • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini:// 04 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 4/3/2021: Pardus 19.5 is Out and Free Software Foundation Gets Consulting Grant | TechrightsMar 04 11:32
techrights-bot#Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 04 11:32
techrights-botOpen Sharing and Open Science • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Sharing and Open Science | Tux MachinesMar 04 11:33
techrights-botLinux Foundation, Microsoft, and Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation, Microsoft, and Linux | Tux MachinesMar 04 11:34
techrights-botFedora Community Blog and Old IBM Tech • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fedora Community Blog and Old IBM Tech | Tux MachinesMar 04 11:34
techrights-botToday’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 04 11:34
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techrights-botLooks Like #Ubuntu 21.04 Will Offer a Hybrid #GNOME 3.38 Desktop with GNOME 40 Apps • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 12:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Looks Like Ubuntu 21.04 Will Offer a Hybrid GNOME 3.38 Desktop with GNOME 40 Apps | Tux MachinesMar 04 12:27
techrights-bot#patentTroll #IPCom uses #managingIP as megaphone, piggybacking pandemic for self-serving spin 04 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The curious case of Crown use – and what it means for COVID | Managing Intellectual PropertyMar 04 12:29
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techrights-bot"Despite the increased societal acceptance of people in the LGBTQ community, 29 states have failed to pass anti-discrimination laws to protect them." 04 12:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Equality Act Coverage Provides a Platform for Hate—but Not for Trans Voices — FAIRMar 04 12:31
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psydroidyou would have expected them to at least try to subvert FOSDEM, but instead they chickened out and didn't show up at allMar 04 12:46
psydroidoh, I'm replying to old messagesMar 04 12:47
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schestowitz__which one?Mar 04 12:51
psydroidthe one about OSI not showing up at FOSDEM 2021Mar 04 13:00
techrights-botLinux distributions: All the talent and hard work that goes into building a good one • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux distributions: All the talent and hard work that goes into building a good one | Tux MachinesMar 04 13:06
techrights-botYet more #fakepatents granted by #epo ... "The Dutch company withdrew the appeal against the revocation of patent DE 10 2006 011 143 B4 and three related infringement actions." 04 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Envipco and DPG settle dispute over bottle deposit system - JUVE PatentMar 04 13:08
techrights-bot#HowTo create your WordPress developer stack on OpenShift 4 | Enable Sysadmin ⇨ •●• #RedHat #IBM #GNU #LinuxMar 04 13:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to create your WordPress developer stack on OpenShift 4 | Enable SysadminMar 04 13:10
techrights-botCockpit is the modern #GNU #Linux admin interface. We release regularly. Here are the release notes from Cockpit version 239." 04 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cockpit 239 — Cockpit ProjectMar 04 13:11
techrights-bot#ibm #redhat is #upselling again #rhelMar 04 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 5 ways Red Hat Insights can improve your sysadmin Life | Enable SysadminMar 04 13:12
techrights-botSeveral of the programs in this article are also free as in freedom] 04 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 20 Free Video Editing Apps for Beginners - Small Business TrendsMar 04 13:13
techrights-bot#KDEneon has a new release/ISO for 20210304 with latest Plasma in it #gnu #linux #kdeMar 04 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE neonMar 04 13:18
techrights-botLinux 5.10.20 Released - Fixes The Erroneous Record-Breaking #AMD Clock Frequencies - Phoronix ⇨ •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in 04 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.10.20 Released - Fixes The Erroneous Record-Breaking AMD Clock Frequencies - PhoronixMar 04 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsMar 04 13:19
techrights-botVCN-Less Navi 12 SKU, RX 6000 Series BACO Runtime PM Are Extras For Linux 5.12 - Phoronix ⇨ •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in 04 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VCN-Less Navi 12 SKU, RX 6000 Series BACO Runtime PM Are Extras For Linux 5.12 - PhoronixMar 04 13:21
techrights-botPerl is dead ... when I'm dead! #perl #programmingMar 04 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Perl is dead ... when I'm dead! | enkidu []Mar 04 13:22
techrights-bot#linux in the TV box 04 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The first Rockchip RK3566 TV box is out with H96 Max running Android 11Mar 04 13:22
techrights-bot"The “security issue” boiled down to Plex not behaving ideally on mismanaged and insecure network configurations. In my opinion, Plex isn’t to blame for security errors in network configurations made by inexperienced network administrators." 04 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | From Plex to Jellyfin Media ServerMar 04 13:24
techrights-bot"Well, perhaps you might want to consider the experience of English students in 2020 and the conclusions reached regarding the unfairness inherent in using algorithms to "adjust" grades" context: 04 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKatMar 04 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | TechrightsMar 04 13:25
schestowitz__[13:00] <psydroid> the one about OSI not showing up at FOSDEM 2021Mar 04 13:26
schestowitz__that's very oldMar 04 13:26
schestowitz__ 04 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Analysis of OSI’s ‘No Show’ at FOSDEM 2021 | TechrightsMar 04 13:26
schestowitz__atm we configure another ipfs node in aussieMar 04 13:27
schestowitz__should be useful as fallback and maybe there will be another new gemini site there (soon)Mar 04 13:27
schestowitz__busy computers are happy computersMar 04 13:27
techrights-botWow. #addictivetips has just posted 3 bits of #amazon spam in a row ("affiliate marketing"), basically pushing all sorts of US-neutral hardware products as if they're "For Linux". This is a growing epidemic 04 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Different Types of Spammy ‘Articles’ and ‘Reviews’ Which Have Killed ‘Professional Journalism’ (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | TechrightsMar 04 13:30
techrights-bot#qt5 (LTS) -- not just #qt6 -- is #ProprietarySoftware now. #qt as a whole needs to be forked or abandoned if we value #freesw 04 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Commercial LTS Qt 5.15.3 ReleasedMar 04 13:32
techrights-botIt's mostly #ibm controlling #gtk (not #gnu as in the G) and it's a monopolist. #qt is #ProprietarySoftware now. Far from ideal situation/scenario for #freeswMar 04 13:33
techrights-bot#itpro is helping #microsodft #racist agenda see 04 13:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Weekly threat roundup: Microsoft Exchange, Chrome, Spectre | IT PROMar 04 13:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and ‘Five Eyes’ Collusion for Back Door Access) | TechrightsMar 04 13:34
Chaekyungback, time to steal a techrights article or twoMar 04 13:35
techrights-bot"If you have the opportunity to get vaccinated, you should." The question is, which vaccine? Many of the ones pushed at the moment have barely been tested and they justify this by shouting "emergency" 04 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Vaccination | Life on MMar 04 13:36
techrights-botJust #deleteGoogle from your life #surveillance #espionage #google #imperialismMar 04 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google Promises to Stop Tracking Users But Will Track Groups - Make Tech EasierMar 04 13:38
techrights-botCalling somebody who rejects one particular vaccine (but gladly accepts and takes all the others) an "antivaxxer" is an insult to half of the world's society and a dangerous cheapening of the label, which makes it hard to identify the REAL threat (vaccine denialists)Mar 04 13:40
techrights-bot#croc Is A Tool For Resumable, Encrypted File And Folder Transfers Between Computers (Command Line) • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 04 13:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | croc Is A Tool For Resumable, Encrypted File And Folder Transfers Between Computers (Command Line) | Tux MachinesMar 04 13:44
techrights-botThe word "smart" is rapidly becoming synonymous with tracking or spying or surveillance so-called 'phones'...Mar 04 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Screenshots suck. But they’re about to get a lot smarter | WIRED UKMar 04 13:45
DaemonFC[m]Mom's landlord was on the phone with her stunned that Mandy and I managed to get the vaccine when the states are struggling to get people 20 years older than us in.Mar 04 13:45
techrights-bot90% #gnu #linux and 10% #freebsd (no, #microsoft #windows is a goner) 04 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Most Reliable Hosting Company Sites in February 2021 | Netcraft NewsMar 04 13:46
techrights-bot"This is the 37th edition of the Kafka Monthly Digest! In this edition, I’ll cover what happened in the Apache Kafka community in February 2021." 04 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kafka Monthly Digest – February 2021 – IBM DeveloperMar 04 13:47
techrights-bot#LinuxLinks – The Home of #GNU #Linux 04 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LinuxLinks - The Home of Linux - LinuxLinksMar 04 13:51
techrights-botDangerous recipe to watch out for: So-called 'Linux' sites putting in there 'prepared' pieces that sort of almost look like articles but are actually SEO spam with links hidden deep inside to manipulate people and sell malicious crap.Mar 04 13:54
techrights-bot#LibreOffice 7.1.1 Community available for download • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #opendocumentMar 04 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LibreOffice 7.1.1 Community available for download | Tux MachinesMar 04 13:54
techrights-bot#snap or #snapcraft or #snapd and all that 'proprietary' (think #systemd notion of vendor lock-in) Canonical stuff is still bloated and generally undesirable, non-standard 04 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Honey, I Shrunk the Snap! | UbuntuMar 04 13:56
techrights-bot"Bugs like 1915579 which rendered my system unbootable." #ubuntu #gnu #linux (but not a stable release, just testing)Mar 04 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Unbreaking Unbootable Ubuntu - Alan Pope's blogMar 04 13:57
Chaekyungschestowitz__: Mar 04 13:58
ChaekyungI just noticed there is no httpsMar 04 13:59
Chaekyung works though but the certificate is for someorganization and it expired in 2019Mar 04 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | TechrightsMar 04 13:59
Chaekyungschestowitz__: why not just use letsencrypt if you don't want to pay the bill? their 3 month long certs seems to work fine for now as long as you do a cron jobMar 04 14:00
techrights-botTorrent of Impurities is a brand new single-player and co-op Quake Episode #gnu #linux #gamesMar 04 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Torrent of Impurities is a brand new single-player and co-op Quake Episode | GamingOnLinuxMar 04 14:04
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techrights-bot"No wonder why #Google could be locking down #Chrome to resist the rise of #Chromium -based browsers." 04 14:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Privacy-Focused Brave Browser Plans to Challenge Google With A Private Search Engine - It's FOSS NewsMar 04 14:06
techrights-bot#IBM / #RedHat : #Kafka Monthly Digest, Red Hat Upselling, and Cockpit 239 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #LinuxMar 04 14:07
techrights-bot#Perl weekly challenge increasingly being outsource to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopolu don't people know why to #deletegithub ? 04 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat: Kafka Monthly Digest, Red Hat Upselling, and Cockpit 239 | Tux MachinesMar 04 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Perl weekly challenge 102 | James Curtis-Smith []Mar 04 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Delete Github - TechrightsMar 04 14:08
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techrights-botUbuntu: Unbreaking Unbootable #Ubuntu , #Snaps Shrunk and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu: Unbreaking Unbootable Ubuntu, Snaps Shrunk and More | Tux MachinesMar 04 14:20
techrights-bot"While the 5.12 merge window hasn't even been closed for a full week yet" #kernel #linuxMar 04 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.13 To Support HDMI CEC With The Raspberry Pi 4 - PhoronixMar 04 14:23
techrights-bot#programming with #google toolsets, however, is too risky. They so often abandon initiatives, disservices and more 04 14:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google released an exciting upgrade to a resource most people won’t even recognize – BGRMar 04 14:26
techrights-botThe #ApacheSoftwareFoundation Announces Apache® Daffodil™ as a Top-Level Project #asf needs to #deletegithub after the #microsoft #entryism 04 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Apache Software Foundation Announces Apache® Daffodil™ as a Top-Level Project : The Apache Software Foundation BlogMar 04 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | After Killing the Independence of Apache Software Foundation (ASF) Microsoft Steals Its Soul, Too | TechrightsMar 04 14:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ШКЯ - Фотография - YouTubeMar 04 14:31
techrights-bot#suse blog being used for #marketing of #sap #ProprietarySoftware again see 04 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Simple Mount Structure for SAP Application Platform | SUSE CommunitiesMar 04 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SUSE Said It Was Becoming Independent But Instead It Became Like an ‘Asset’ of SAP (‘German Microsoft’), Which is Hostile Towards Free Software | TechrightsMar 04 14:32
schestowitz__XRevan86: what da?Mar 04 14:34
XRevan86schestowitz__: Just artMar 04 14:34
schestowitz__whose?Mar 04 14:34
XRevan86schestowitz__: ShKYaMar 04 14:36
techrights-botTVs With Linux and #RaspberryPi Latest • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TVs With Linux and Raspberry Pi Latest | Tux MachinesMar 04 14:41
techrights-bot#AMD Linux 5.12 and Linux 5.10.20 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AMD Linux 5.12 and Linux 5.10.20 | Tux MachinesMar 04 14:41
techrights-bot#suse brags about working for polluters 04 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Phillips 66 reduces costs and increases agility with SUSE | SUSE CommunitiesMar 04 14:43
DaemonFC[m]I plan to take a long term antibody test 14 days after my second dose to see if the vaccine produced a response or if I need to get another one.Mar 04 14:44
techrights-botMight and Delight confirm #Shelter3 to launch on March 30 | GamingOnLinux ⇨ •●• #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #GamesMar 04 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Might and Delight confirm Shelter 3 to launch on March 30 | GamingOnLinuxMar 04 14:44
DaemonFC[m]I suspect it will. Probably the second dose was needed because old people have immune systems that are worn down from age and they want to make sure there's a strong enough response in them.Mar 04 14:44
techrights-bot"sponsored by Red Hat" #ibm acting like #microsoft ... paying people to write flattering things about itself... 04 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Harvard Business Analytic Services: Banking transformation originates from a strong coreMar 04 14:46
techrights-bot"Both have pros and cons and with a sane operating system (like my Kubuntu Linux 20.04) you can unplug one on the fly and use the other without too much magnetic noises and a get plug'n'play experience" 04 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cintiq or Intuos? ...or both? The tablets I use. - David RevoyMar 04 14:48
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #DemocracyNow ☞ Asian American Communities Organize Against Rise in Hate Crimes, Say More Policing Is Not the Answer #microsoft inciting #racism 04 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Asian American Communities Organize Against Rise in Hate Crimes, Say More Policing Is Not the Answer | Democracy Now!Mar 04 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and ‘Five Eyes’ Collusion for Back Door Access) | TechrightsMar 04 14:52
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #CounterPunch ☞ #RulingClass Joe #Biden and the Essence of American #Politics "Biden is showing us that he is what many of us who paid attention knew and warned he was: the Weimarian Third Way/Door."Mar 04 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ruling Class Joe and the Essence of American Politics - CounterPunch.orgMar 04 14:53
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techrights-bot"The popular conception of an election campaign in the United States is that it revolves heavily around scheming strategists, deals cut in smoke-filled backrooms, and carefully measured soundbites for consumption by the media." 04 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Big Reset To ZeroMar 04 15:06
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techrights-bot"Any community-related works on my part within the Ubuntu context are scrapped at the moment. Apologies have already been given." #ubuntu is no longer a community (it felt a bit like it >10 years ago, now it's #canonical ) 04 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Where My Projects Stand NowMar 04 15:08
techrights-bot"While there was a lot of initial backlash from the community and threats of new "free" forks, The Qt Company has moved ahead with this commercial-only phase." 04 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Qt 5.15.3 LTS Released With 200+ Bug Fixes, But Only For Commercial Customers - PhoronixMar 04 15:09
techrights-bot"I'm a 20+ years old KDE user and as sad as it sounds I'm starting to think that they should ditch #QT for good." Same here. 20+ years and still on #kde 04 15:10
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Someone on Facebook was making fun of me with a jpeg of people wearing masks with things like "I like to be controlled." and "I love Bill Gates.".Mar 04 15:11
DaemonFC[m]Avoiding a deadly virus has nothing to do with whether one likes Bill Gates or not.Mar 04 15:11
DaemonFC[m]The media selling him "news stories" as unlabeled "sponsored content" is sabotaging the vaccine rollout.Mar 04 15:11
techrights-botMaybe #kde should fork latest #qt5 and call it #kt5 or something. The cross-platform side of it never mattered much to KDE itself anyway. Just cross distros, inc. #bsd (it is doable, also less disruption due to #qt6 and 7...)Mar 04 15:12
DaemonFC[m]I don't think there's anything seriously wrong with any of the vaccine options out there, compared to the risk of the Coronavirus, but the media keeps shitting on the vaccines because everyone knows how shifty and unethical Bill Gates is.Mar 04 15:12
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: yes, it harms itMar 04 15:12
schestowitz__the gates obsession in the mediaMar 04 15:12
schestowitz__and now his kidsMar 04 15:12
schestowitz__who did nothing in her lifeMar 04 15:12
schestowitz__immediate celeb "coz daddy bribes the media"Mar 04 15:13
schestowitz__those are not vaccine expertsMar 04 15:13
schestowitz__rolling out their sleeve is not a skillMar 04 15:13
schestowitz__the media does what it takes to deter and put people offMar 04 15:13
schestowitz__so well done, gatesMar 04 15:13
schestowitz__"vaccines... endorsed by a famous criminal... book now!"Mar 04 15:13
schestowitz__Bill Gates is not helping to promote vaccines but helps to put people  off and reject them collectively, as they perceive acceptance of vaccine as acceptance of a criminal. Bill gains a lot; gets to associate all his critics with "antivaxxers" or "anti-science".Mar 04 15:15
CrystalMathyeah i know, i think there'd be more people getting vaccines if Bill Gates said they were all a fraudMar 04 15:16
CrystalMaththough, i kinda agreed with Gates sometimes, he's not all badMar 04 15:16
CrystalMathi think that maybe 1% of him actually wants something goodMar 04 15:17
MinceRmaybe we should surgically remove and kill the restMar 04 15:17
schestowitz__Likewise, 5G stakeholders (i.e. patent pool) managed to convince lots of gullible fools is that the only problem with 5G deployments/roll-out is that radio somehow spreads viruses or "enables" themMar 04 15:17
CrystalMathyeah, ridiculousMar 04 15:19
CrystalMathi signed a petition against 5G, but not because it's dangerous to biological organisms, as the petition text saidMar 04 15:19
CrystalMathbut because of the patent crapMar 04 15:19
schestowitz__there are other issueMar 04 15:19
schestowitz__sat comms for weatherMar 04 15:20
schestowitz__radiationMar 04 15:20
schestowitz__among othersMar 04 15:20
MinceRthere are neutrons coming at us from the sunMar 04 15:20
MinceRi say we extinguish the sun!Mar 04 15:20
MinceRoopsMar 04 15:20
MinceRneutrinosMar 04 15:20
schestowitz__[15:17] <CrystalMath> i think that maybe 1% of him actually wants something goodMar 04 15:20
schestowitz__the1%Mar 04 15:20
schestowitz__:-)Mar 04 15:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The GoD Unit is a brain-tickling first-person physics puzzle game out now | GamingOnLinuxMar 04 15:25
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techrights-bot"From LEO the #StarShip will need less propellant (thus the upper stage is smaller than the first stage) to it’s journey to Moon and Mars and maybe even Moons of Saturn." 04 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-» SpaceX’s SpaceShip StarShip SN10 – THE EAGLE HAS LANDED – almost – 20min later BocaChicaBoomBoom – Why settling on Mars is critical for mankind to survive in the universe | dwaves.deMar 04 15:29
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superkuhWell, look at it this way. You have no immunity. You can either get the virus which will do virus things like merging your cell membranes together and generally causing massive inflammation and disregulation of the angeotensin system, or, you can get a vaccine that only makes the spike protein and is inert.Mar 04 15:44
techrights-botStable Kernels: 5.11.3, 5.10.20, 5.4.102, 4.19.178, 4.14.223, 4.9.259 , and 4.4.259 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #Linux #TuxMachines #kernelMar 04 15:44
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MinceRor you can get tricked by the government into getting a vaccine that's supposed to be inactivated virions but due to poor quality control, not all the virions were inactivatedMar 04 15:45
MinceRand instead of maybe getting infected, you're getting infected for sureMar 04 15:45
*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: 50db7o.jpg (80KiB) < >Mar 04 15:51
DaemonFC[m]mjg59Mar 04 15:51
MinceR:)Mar 04 15:51
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "and instead of maybe getting inf"> Well, the adenovirus they selected should be harmless.Mar 04 15:52
MinceRthat's a different vaccineMar 04 15:52
MinceRwith the adenovirus, you might just acquire immunity to the adenovirus and then blithely wonder into the path of SARS-CoV-2, get infected and seriously illMar 04 15:52
DaemonFC[m]Oh, you mean the live inactivated ones.Mar 04 15:52
MinceRyesMar 04 15:52
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that's dodgy. But I think it's India doing that.Mar 04 15:52
MinceRred china is doing it tooMar 04 15:53
MinceRallegedly the gypsy king's favorite is the sinopharm oneMar 04 15:53
DaemonFC[m]Oh good. Well, if you have a choice and want one in Hungary, I'd rather gamble with the Sputnik V one.Mar 04 15:53
MinceR(apparently he feels more need to lick winnie the pooh's ass than putler's right now)Mar 04 15:53
DaemonFC[m]But that's not saying much.Mar 04 15:53
MinceRi'd rather wait until i can get something approved by the EMAMar 04 15:53
MinceRhopefully by then there will be enough data about themMar 04 15:54
DaemonFC[m]Well, mom says she'll get the J&J one, which is Ad26 vector.Mar 04 15:54
DaemonFC[m]And I hear it's at least very effective at preventing severe COVID.Mar 04 15:54
DaemonFC[m]So if she does get it later, she'll almost certainly survive.Mar 04 15:54
MinceRfrom what you said, it seemed that the main attraction was that it works with 1 doseMar 04 15:55
DaemonFC[m]Yes, her employer is not giving anyone the excuse that the vaccine made them so sick they had to take time off.Mar 04 15:55
DaemonFC[m]So not only would she have to drive 200 miles across Indiana to actually get an mRNA shot, twice, she'd risk having side effects both times and perhaps not even wanting to return for the second dose.Mar 04 15:55
DaemonFC[m]So driving 80 miles once for J&J makes more sense.Mar 04 15:56
DaemonFC[m]It's what's most available now, and it seems to work okay.Mar 04 15:56
DaemonFC[m]They don't have the production and logistical nightmare that a two dose vaccine that has to be stored in very cold freezers does.Mar 04 15:57
DaemonFC[m]The state of Indiana seems to be setting up a lot of pop-up vaccine clinics with the J&J one, so more people are going to be able to get that one anyway.Mar 04 15:58
DaemonFC[m]Because the distribution and scheduling doesn't work as well with Pfizer and Moderna.Mar 04 15:58
DaemonFC[m]It's a trade off. If you're having distribution and patient compliance issues, you want the one that works well enough with one dose.Mar 04 15:59
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I'm pretty sure that J&J will be approved in Europe at some point.Mar 04 15:59
DaemonFC[m]I'm still more confident in the US FDA than the Russian government saying SPutnik should work, but Putin himself won't take it.Mar 04 15:59
DaemonFC[m]"I have other vaccines that I need to take first."Mar 04 16:00
MinceRi'm not sure if nazi hungary ordered or will order any of itMar 04 16:00
DaemonFC[m]Yes, during a pandemic the urgent need to take other vaccines just suddenly came up in his late 60s, you know?Mar 04 16:00
DaemonFC[m]Darn it.Mar 04 16:00
MinceRwhere it's made isn't enough of a dystopian shithole for the gypsy king's tasteMar 04 16:00
MinceRnot worth sucking up thereMar 04 16:00
DaemonFC[m]You're not worried that if you criticize Orban that "unknown assailants" will find you?Mar 04 16:01
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MinceRi'm not sure what i have to loseMar 04 16:01
MinceRbesides, this is not dumbFuckBookMar 04 16:02
MinceRso it isn't as easy as asking Fuckerberg for the ID of whoever is writing thisMar 04 16:02
techrights-botBlackmail artists and extortion artists are utilising or exploiting causes like those of actual activists to make their unethical operations seem of feel well-meaning 04 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | MIP International Patent Forum: Why straight white men should help diversity drive | Managing Intellectual PropertyMar 04 16:03
schestowitz__Chaekyung: red velvet in my LINUX feeds 04 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | It's Yeriday - LinuxReviewsMar 04 16:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Help! Italy has too many types of digital trials | Stop at Zona-MMar 04 16:07
techrights-bot#LibreOffice 7.1 Office Suite Gets First Point Release, over 90 Bugs Were Fixed • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freeswMar 04 16:09
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techrights-botThe #thinktank of #patent extremists is trying to distort what's happening with #softwarepatents after #SCOTUS pretty much eliminated all of them (or those judged in a court) 04 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How counsel balance USPTO and court edicts on Section 101 | Managing Intellectual PropertyMar 04 16:18
techrights-bot#texas is totally crazy when it comes to #patent law/litigation and it is destroying the Texan economy already; it cannot even supply power to its residents. 04 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Discretionary Transfer out of Waco | Patently-OMar 04 16:19
techrights-bot#internet trolls who lurk in #irc of #techrights mining for 'dirt' link to me by a fake (not mine) account and somehow also accuse #phoronix of intolerance (which is total baloney) 04 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: Sadly, it doesn't take much effort to find that many of our community spaces tolerate intolerance. Community leader… 04 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: Sadly, it doesn't take much effort to find that many of our community spaces tolerate intolerance. Community leader… 04 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why We Support Phoronix (Whereas Some Others Do Not) | TechrightsMar 04 16:25
MinceRooh, we're going to be cancelled too?Mar 04 16:27
schestowitz__nwo they go after MichaelMar 04 16:28
schestowitz__[16:26] <schestowitz__> (Depressing true story: I've spoken to people who are unwilling to criticise Phoronix because having their work mentioned there is a positive for performance reviews, and @michaellarabelMar 04 16:28
schestowitz__[16:26] <schestowitz__>  has demonstrated willingness to ignore work produced by critics)Mar 04 16:28
schestowitz__because Michael is pureee evilMar 04 16:28
schestowitz__he ways babies and womenMar 04 16:28
schestowitz__true story: his wife lost her job as the pandemic startedMar 04 16:28
Digithe what?Mar 04 16:28
schestowitz__months after giving birthMar 04 16:29
schestowitz__young baby boyMar 04 16:29
schestowitz__so michael now looks after 3 peopleMar 04 16:29
schestowitz__and a troll who took $150,000 salary from Google public trolls himMar 04 16:29
schestowitz__"Racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia"Mar 04 16:29
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schestowitz__Yeah, that's michaelMar 04 16:29
schestowitz__Phoronix is aaaaalllll "Racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia"Mar 04 16:29
schestowitz__somehow I fail to see itMar 04 16:29
*Digit still stuck on "he ways babies and women" ...? he what?Mar 04 16:30
schestowitz__maybe I need a bigger mocroscopeMar 04 16:30
schestowitz__the Google troll is unemployed nowMar 04 16:30
schestowitz__so he's parking hers in IRCMar 04 16:30
schestowitz__marking people to "cancel"Mar 04 16:30
schestowitz__slow clap...Mar 04 16:30
schestowitz__Digit: sarcasmMar 04 16:30
*Digit was thinking schestowitz__ is too caught up in his roll to clarify "he ways babies and women"Mar 04 16:31
Digitweighs?   was?    idk how one "ways" something.Mar 04 16:31
techrights-bot#suse site does #sap #proprietarySoftware fluff/spam for second time in a day. How about using the blog to promote #freesw instead, SUSE? see 04 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two Webinars for Two Important Aspects of SAP Deployment | SUSE CommunitiesMar 04 16:33
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Old_ManWhen you see someone being accused of "racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia," that has become an indicator that they probably know what they're talking about in some other field, and caused resentment in someone who didn't.Mar 04 16:33
Old_ManSo those accusations have become a contraindicator for trustworthiness in other fields.Mar 04 16:34
Old_ManSo, if anyone's getting accused of racism/misogyny/transphobia, come tell me what you know. :)Mar 04 16:34
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #EFF #police ☞ The Justice in Policing Act Does Not Do Enough to Rein in Body-Worn Cameras 04 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Justice in Policing Act Does Not Do Enough to Rein in Body-Worn Cameras | Electronic Frontier FoundationMar 04 16:34
*Old_Man offers the chair next to himself to JK Rowling.Mar 04 16:35
MinceRgood news for actual racists, sexists, homophobes and transphobesMar 04 16:35
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schestowitz__[16:31] <Digit> weighs?   was?    idk how one "ways" something.Mar 04 16:35
schestowitz__I mistypedMar 04 16:35
schestowitz__I think I meant "eats"Mar 04 16:35
MinceRthe crybullies will soon make any such accusations lack credibilityMar 04 16:35
Old_ManNah, I'm perfectly adept at refuting *actual* racism and transphobia when I see it. But that's only about 1% of the time I see the accusations made.Mar 04 16:36
schestowitz__mjg59 is harming real activistsMar 04 16:36
schestowitz__pseudo-'hacktivt'Mar 04 16:37
schestowitz__working for monopoliesMar 04 16:37
schestowitz__giving a bad name to real campaignersMar 04 16:37
*danielinux_ is now known as danielinuxMar 04 16:37
schestowitz__by using too broad a brushMar 04 16:37
schestowitz__and tries to frame me (with highlight in twitter) as "racist" and stuffMar 04 16:37
schestowitz__I suppose because someone in IRC wrote some blog posts he did not likeMar 04 16:37
*schestowitz__ looking at ChaekyungMar 04 16:38
Old_ManIt's not at all difficult to hold up claims about race/sex/etc. to Mohamad Safa's quote and see where it falls:Mar 04 16:38
Old_Man"Our world is not divided by race, color, gender, or religion. Our world is divided into wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender, or religion."Mar 04 16:38
schestowitz__so I am responsible for each blog post of ChaekyungMar 04 16:38
schestowitz__whom I barely knowMar 04 16:38
schestowitz__anyway, this harms real activistsMar 04 16:38
schestowitz__not just by attacking hard-working MichaelMar 04 16:38
schestowitz__who works 100+ hours  a weekMar 04 16:38
schestowitz__for scrapsMar 04 16:38
schestowitz__benchmaking things and following news non-stepMar 04 16:39
schestowitz__*stopMar 04 16:39
MinceROld_Man: then they'll just increase the rate to the point where you won't have time to verify every accusation :>Mar 04 16:39
schestowitz__it's also helping make a caricature of real activistsMar 04 16:39
schestowitz__actual victims of sexism, homophobia etc.Mar 04 16:39
Old_ManMinceR: "Hitchens's Razor" makes that easy.Mar 04 16:39
schestowitz__I assume matt was abused as a kid or somethingMar 04 16:39
schestowitz__so he's looking for revenge on someone/sMar 04 16:39
schestowitz__and he picks the wrong targetsMar 04 16:39
schestowitz__instead of berating RACIST COMPANIES he WORKS for themMar 04 16:40
Old_ManWho's matt?Mar 04 16:40
schestowitz__to get the MONIESMar 04 16:40
schestowitz__Old_Man: mjg59Mar 04 16:40
schestowitz__who lurks here for dirtMar 04 16:40
Old_ManOh, the child molester?Mar 04 16:40
schestowitz__and keeps reaffirming our suspicions about himMar 04 16:40
schestowitz__Old_Man: no, the professional trollMar 04 16:40
schestowitz__corporate trollMar 04 16:40
Old_ManI thought he was a child molester too?Mar 04 16:41
schestowitz__trolling RMS, Torvalds, now LarablelMar 04 16:41
schestowitz__to make himself seem as important as themMar 04 16:41
schestowitz__by interjecting himself into headlines etc.Mar 04 16:41
schestowitz__trolling works like thatMar 04 16:41
Old_ManDidn't he say something about understanding Biden's predilection for sniffing and making physical contact with small children?Mar 04 16:41
schestowitz__no ideaMar 04 16:41
schestowitz__he'll correct his tweet, I'm sureMar 04 16:43
schestowitz__if he values facts (he does not)Mar 04 16:43
schestowitz__tweets cannot even be correctedMar 04 16:43
schestowitz__it's a 'feature'Mar 04 16:43
schestowitz__for the viral mobsMar 04 16:43
schestowitz__ 04 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media: Where ‘Cancel Culture’ Thrives | TechrightsMar 04 16:43
schestowitz__what they did in twitter to RMS: 04 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Fake ‘Door Sign’ Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | TechrightsMar 04 16:44
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Not OK, Zoomer: Here's Why You Hate #Videoconference Meetings - And What To Do About It 04 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not OK, Zoomer: Here's Why You Hate Videoconference Meetings -- And What To Do About It | TechdirtMar 04 16:44
DaemonFC[m]Maybe Texas is a self-canceling problem. The jury pool that decides that ridiculous patents should be enforced doesn't have to wear their face mask now.Mar 04 16:45
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ After Hyping #5G For Years, Verizon Advises Users To Turn It Off To Avoid Battery Drain 04 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Hyping 5G For Years, Verizon Advises Users To Turn It Off To Avoid Battery Drain | TechdirtMar 04 16:46
schestowitz__Ariadne: 5g hype ^^Mar 04 16:46
schestowitz__lolMar 04 16:46
DaemonFC[m]"Sadly, it doesn't take much effort to find that many of our community spaces tolerate intolerance." - mjg59 Mar 04 16:46
schestowitz__so powerful it sucks up all the powerMar 04 16:47
DaemonFC[m](German Accent) INTOLERANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!Mar 04 16:47
schestowitz__inzolerensMar 04 16:47
schestowitz__vill notMar 04 16:47
DaemonFC[m]NEIN, SO WAS!Mar 04 16:47
schestowitz__das ist gut, mein DaemonFC[m]Mar 04 16:48
schestowitz__is thast racist by the wayMar 04 16:48
schestowitz__is German also a race?Mar 04 16:48
schestowitz__is American a race?Mar 04 16:48
schestowitz__I saw an article this week about how they tried to say American was a raceMar 04 16:48
DaemonFC[m]Most people who have completely forgotten where their family immigrated from just put down "American" heritage.Mar 04 16:49
DaemonFC[m]The numbers are higher in areas where Republicans do well in the elections.Mar 04 16:49
DaemonFC[m]Not that they're necessarily wrong for putting that down, I suppose.Mar 04 16:50
DaemonFC[m]We've been a thing for long enough, I guess.Mar 04 16:50
schestowitz__race to the bottomMar 04 16:50
schestowitz__bottom of all argumentsMar 04 16:50
DaemonFC[m]mjg59 cashes paychecks from companies that implement DRM, foist locked bootloaders on people (which he helped to lock), spy on people and share their data with advertisers and the government, and sue people under the DMCA for reporting security holes in their products.Mar 04 16:52
DaemonFC[m]He's probably at Apple now.Mar 04 16:52
DaemonFC[m]I think the real reason for the linux subsystem on chromebooks is so that people don't put them in developer mode and replace Chrome OS.Mar 04 16:54
DaemonFC[m]What's the point if the software runs in Chrome OS? For many people, there is none and then Google can keep spying on you and forcing Chrome as your web browser.Mar 04 16:54
schestowitz__chromeOS is not an osMar 04 16:54
schestowitz__it's a browser (spyware) with kernel to boot itMar 04 16:55
schestowitz__it's a jokeMar 04 16:55
schestowitz__and a massive regressionMar 04 16:55
schestowitz__like game console in laptop form factorMar 04 16:55
schestowitz__I'm going to post daily links nowMar 04 16:55
schestowitz__anyway, trolls gonna trollMar 04 16:55
schestowitz__I noticed that Google critics piss of those trolls the mostMar 04 16:55
schestowitz__Google bribes EFF, FSFE, Debian etc.Mar 04 16:55
schestowitz__and people who call them out, like Pocock, get "marked for death"Mar 04 16:56
schestowitz__by people who take blood-stained salaries from GoogleMar 04 16:56
schestowitz__drenched in blood and semenMar 04 16:56
schestowitz__from perverts a criminals who cover up for themMar 04 16:56
schestowitz__anyway, me back to posting links...Mar 04 16:56
schestowitz__more productive stuff... just pisses me off to think they waste Larabel's time with this utter corporate trollingMar 04 16:57
schestowitz__This was in Planet GNOME todayMar 04 17:00
schestowitz__ 04 17:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Vaccination | Life on MMar 04 17:00
schestowitz__RMS complained when de Icaza was shilling Microsoft proprietary stuff in that planetMar 04 17:00
schestowitz__or maybe some others did vmwareMar 04 17:00
schestowitz__and they attacked him for saying thatMar 04 17:00
schestowitz__about a GNU projectMar 04 17:00
schestowitz__Planet GNOME? Maybe tomorrow a post about Biden and Trump, too..Mar 04 17:01
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MinceR04 174833 < schestowitz__> is German also a race?Mar 04 17:14
MinceRdepends on your feelings, of courseMar 04 17:14
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psydroid<schestowitz__ ""> I read that as her telling people that she was going on vacation for an indefinite timeMar 04 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | March | 2021 | Life on MMar 04 17:17
psydroiddon't like someone? send them on an unpaid and indefinite vacation from Twitter, FB, YouTube etc.Mar 04 17:19
techrights-bot#KDE ’s Apps Update for March 2021 Improves Spectacle, #Gwenview , and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE’s Apps Update for March 2021 Improves Spectacle, Gwenview, and More | Tux MachinesMar 04 17:24
techrights-bot#Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 04 17:25
schestowitz__psydroid: I don't get itMar 04 17:27
schestowitz__just looked againMar 04 17:27
schestowitz__maybe you first read "vacc" as vacation?Mar 04 17:27
schestowitz__funny that in recent comments in her blog about half as from my sitesMar 04 17:28
techrights-botGames: Torrent of Impurities, Shelter 3, GoD Unit, and Mail Mole • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Games #GamingMar 04 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: Torrent of Impurities, Shelter 3, GoD Unit, and Mail Mole | Tux MachinesMar 04 17:28
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 04 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMar 04 17:28
schestowitz__commenting is no longer even possible afaictMar 04 17:28
schestowitz__it's weird because...Mar 04 17:29
schestowitz__she's arguing a lot with pocockMar 04 17:29
psydroidschestowitz__: yes, that was kind of the jokeMar 04 17:29
schestowitz__whom we republish at timesMar 04 17:29
schestowitz__psydroid: I thought maybe she had cancelled herself somewhere in the textMar 04 17:29
schestowitz__and I did not noticeMar 04 17:29
psydroidI was like "why is she suddenly writing about vacations?"Mar 04 17:29
schestowitz__she does keep low profile nowMar 04 17:29
schestowitz__like de Icaza doesMar 04 17:29
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schestowitz__both from gnome foundation btwMar 04 17:33
schestowitz__stormy peters also nearly vanishedMar 04 17:33
schestowitz__she is attacking the people who thought she was one of themMar 04 17:33
schestowitz__in exchange for a salary of a criminal company -- a serial criminalMar 04 17:33
schestowitz__it's worth debating how to better prevent people from defecting to corporate crimesMar 04 17:34
psydroidthe thing is that if people can ruin one field of technology completely by selling themselves out for a quick buck, they could do so in any other field tooMar 04 17:37
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Digita lot go into pharmaceuticals and stock trading.Mar 04 17:40
schestowitz__'trading' Mar 04 17:46
schestowitz__gaming more-liekMar 04 17:46
schestowitz__like crashing companies for a buckMar 04 17:46
schestowitz__c.f. vulture capitalistsMar 04 17:47
schestowitz__hedge funds etc.Mar 04 17:47
schestowitz__now they consciously kill journalismMar 04 17:47
schestowitz__today:Mar 04 17:47
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schestowitz__one of many such storiesMar 04 17:47
schestowitz__they bet against reportingMar 04 17:47
schestowitz__so nobody calls out corporate crimeMar 04 17:47
schestowitz__or EPO corruption etc.Mar 04 17:47
schestowitz__who even covers LF corruption?Mar 04 17:48
schestowitz__almost nobodtyMar 04 17:48
schestowitz__just mentioned habitually in youtube and web forums Mar 04 17:48
schestowitz__until those who mention it get bannedMar 04 17:48
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mjg59schestowitz__: Are you claiming that the Phoronix forums *don't* contain a bunch of transphobia?Mar 04 18:57
CrystalMaththey do?Mar 04 19:02
mjg59They doMar 04 19:06
MinceR[citation needed]Mar 04 19:07
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DaemonFC[m]mjg59 is offended for them.Mar 04 19:11
MinceRwell, i am offended by SJWs canceling people like RMSMar 04 19:13
MinceRi am also offended by CoCs being forced onto free software projectsMar 04 19:13
mjg59eg, 04 19:15
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MinceRhow many is a "bunch", though?Mar 04 19:17
mjg59Pretty much every thread about a story containing a trans person contains someMar 04 19:17
MinceRare there many such threads?Mar 04 19:17
mjg59YesMar 04 19:17
MinceRis Michael Larabel responsible for what other people say on a public forum he hosts on his site?Mar 04 19:18
mjg59No, but he is responsible for the lack of moderationMar 04 19:18
MinceRi wonder if we'll also be cancelled for not moderating what you say here :>Mar 04 19:20
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DaemonFC[m]"The union said mandatory six-day workweeks have caused dangerous overcrowding at the warehouse, resulting in some employees contracting COVID-19. It said the company has threatened workers with discipline if they take time off for vaccine appointments."Mar 04 19:29
DaemonFC[m]I see the vaccination as something we can do and something we've got to do. We're lucky we've avoided this for so long.Mar 04 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Long COVID has become such a problem that the Social Security Administration is investigating how many years it could potentially continue because people are filing disability claims with it and doctors don't know whether to say if it can last for more than 12 months or cause death.Mar 04 19:31
DaemonFC[m]The situation is not fantastic with the vaccines as far as knowing everything they could potentially do, but I'd say death or Long COVID is probably worse.Mar 04 19:32
DaemonFC[m]Not allowing time off for a vaccine appointment is a legitimate grievance.Mar 04 19:46
DaemonFC[m]In fact, that's one where the state should be coming in and doing something.Mar 04 19:47
DaemonFC[m]Mandy asked for Sunday off to take his second dose like he did on the 12th of February for his first, and his boss said "Take it. I'll trade you shifts with someone.".Mar 04 19:48
DaemonFC[m]He's already down workers because they call in over covid or to goof off. Last thing he needs is to lose another one. Smart guy.Mar 04 19:48
Old_ManSpeculating on whether a person is intersex, transsexual, or transvestite does not constitute "transphobic." That is an Orwellian redefinition of the term.Mar 04 19:50
Old_ManAnd I am offended and hurt by people who attempt to make such false accusations by redefining the term.Mar 04 19:50
mjg59Old_Man: "tranny" is a slurMar 04 19:52
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Old_ManI am offended and hurt by people who attempt to make words into "slurs" before consulting with the person who spoke it, to determine whether they intended it to be one.Mar 04 19:53
mjg59kMar 04 19:53
Old_Man"Our world is not divided by race, color, gender, or religion. Our world is divided into wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender, or religion." -Mohamad SafaMar 04 19:54
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mjg59The people who use slurs to describe trans people are the ones dividing by gender hereMar 04 19:55
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Old_ManYou haven't provided any evidence that it's a slur. You just spewed out that hateful accusation like a bigot.Mar 04 19:56
Old_ManAnd such bigotry coming from you is offensive and hurtful.Mar 04 19:56
mjg59Sir, you're the person who was incapable of understanding the literal definition of the word "evidence"Mar 04 19:58
Old_ManNo, what I said is that we could all clearly agree on Merriam-Webster dictionary definition 1 a.Mar 04 19:58
mjg59I'm not convinced you're a reliable source on the meaning of languageMar 04 19:58
Old_ManBut this is what now, the third time you've been such an outright fucking liar on that point?Mar 04 19:59
Old_ManTell me: is there anyone who shares your opinion who is *not* a fucking lar?Mar 04 19:59
Old_Mans/lar/liar/Mar 04 19:59
Old_Man 04 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tranny | Definition of Tranny by Merriam-WebsterMar 04 19:59
Old_Man"Sometimes disparaging."Mar 04 19:59
Old_ManSo, you need to consult with the speaker of that term to determine whether they *did* intend it to be disparaging, or *did not*.Mar 04 19:59
DaemonFC[m]mjg59: So my spouse is Asian and he laughs at South Park. Especially the episode where they go to the P.F. Changs.Mar 04 19:59
mjg59DaemonFC[m]: Cool?Mar 04 20:00
DaemonFC[m]An inability to laugh at a caricature of yourself is the sign of a personality defect.Mar 04 20:00
MinceRand now your spouse is going to be cancelled for thatMar 04 20:00
DaemonFC[m]You seem to be pissed off over everything, and nobody but you cares.Mar 04 20:00
DaemonFC[m]Seek help.Mar 04 20:00
Old_ManSo, mjg59 "is not convinced" that the Merriam-Webster dictionary is a reliable source on the meaning of language. :DMar 04 20:00
Old_ManThat's a clear indication of Orwellian "newspeak" totalitarianism.Mar 04 20:01
Old_ManRejecting the Merriam-Webster dictionary, and my citations of it, over and over again.Mar 04 20:01
DaemonFC[m]If words have meaning, then people like him can't change the meaning as easily.Mar 04 20:01
MinceRi think mjg59 has confused this channel with a courtroomMar 04 20:01
gryor he's just from the UKMar 04 20:01
mjg59Old_Man: Your argument that personal testimony is not evidence is counterfactualMar 04 20:01
Old_Manmjg59, and by "counterfactual," you mean that it's purple with mauve polka-dots on it, right?Mar 04 20:02
Old_ManGosh, this redefinition of words is so much fun! :DMar 04 20:02
MinceRlolMar 04 20:02
DaemonFC[m]mjg59 want to change the language.Mar 04 20:02
gryisn't mjg59 calling it a 'slur' and Old_Man calling it 'sometimes disparaging' the same thing?Mar 04 20:03
DaemonFC[m]That was instead of he and her we can have xe, xim, awkward uses of they, and so on.Mar 04 20:03
grylike you two agreeMar 04 20:03
MinceRgry: only if "sometimes" means "always"Mar 04 20:03
MinceRor it's just a weird-looking spaceMar 04 20:03
Old_Mangry, read my words. I said mjg59 had to consult with the speaker to determine if it was or wasn't.Mar 04 20:03
DaemonFC[m]Oh, "per".Mar 04 20:03
Old_ManBecause the dictioary explicitly says "sometimes."Mar 04 20:03
gryi think its better to avoid words which might be interpreted as insultingMar 04 20:03
gryeven if sometimesMar 04 20:03
DaemonFC[m]Don't forget "per".Mar 04 20:03
gryat the very least, it can be a valid opinionMar 04 20:04
Old_Mangry, leave it up to the speaker, not the listener. If you leave it up to the listener, then it's subject to corruption by dishonest people like mjg59.Mar 04 20:04
gry says it is 'offensive'Mar 04 20:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tranny noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner&apos;s Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.comMar 04 20:04
gryperhaps it will help youMar 04 20:04
Old_ManPeople who are trying to spread hate-screaming and bigotry by redefining words.Mar 04 20:04
MinceRi think it's better to avoid cancelling people and forums for using words which might be interpreted as insultingMar 04 20:05
Old_ManIn fact, I don't think I've ever heard "tranny" used by anyone who *wasn't* themselves a cross-dresser, except by gear-heads talking about *transmission* replacements in their cars.Mar 04 20:05
gry also says soMar 04 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TRANNY | meaning in the Cambridge English DictionaryMar 04 20:05
Old_ManMost people just don't care how you care to dress, so if that's your hobby, use the word if you want.Mar 04 20:06
MinceRlooks like Merriam-Webster is about to be cancelled too :(Mar 04 20:06
gryi don't mean to say i agree with censoring this word out, but at the very least it's not redefining wordsMar 04 20:06
Old_Mangry, the word mgj59 was trying to conduct "newspeak" revisionism to was not "tranny;" it was "transphobic."Mar 04 20:07
grythat one i have no issues with, perhapsMar 04 20:07
MinceRare speakers of us english be forced into re-education camps and be forcibly switched to uk english too?Mar 04 20:07
DaemonFC[m]Never!Mar 04 20:07
MinceRs/be/going to &/Mar 04 20:07
mjg59The use of a slur against trans people doesn't indicate transphobia?Mar 04 20:08
DaemonFC[m]Except on WIkipedia.Mar 04 20:08
DaemonFC[m]<mjg59 "The use of a slur against trans "> No. It doesn't make you afraid of them.Mar 04 20:08
Old_Manmjg59, I advised you to consult with the speaker to determine that. When you did so, what did the speaker say?Mar 04 20:08
mjg59DaemonFC[m]: Is photophobia a fear of light?Mar 04 20:08
Old_ManHello? mjg59? When you contacted the writer of the phrase you considered "transphobic" to determine whether they truly meant it in a disparaging way, what did that person say?Mar 04 20:10
Old_ManGosh... looks like mjg59 got very quiet all of a sudden. That's good, because I find false accusations and being a lying piece of shit to be very offensive and hurtful behavior.Mar 04 20:11
Old_ManI also find "newspeak" revisionism to be very offensive and hurtful behavior.Mar 04 20:12
mjg59Old_Man: You argued I was trying to redefine transphobia. I clearly believe that the word was used as a slur. If we take that assumption, how is it not transphobic?Mar 04 20:12
gryOld_Man: what use is there in labeling people like that?Mar 04 20:12
gryOld_Man: perhaps you have something more constructive to do?Mar 04 20:12
Old_ManWe don't take that assumption, because "we" are not a bunch of hate-screaming, false-accusing bigots. That's only you, not "we."Mar 04 20:12
mjg59Old_Man: Right, but in that case I'm still not redefining transphobia, I'm just mistaken about itMar 04 20:13
Old_ManOh no; you have a long reputation of attempting to redefine words out of bad faith and hate-screaming bigotry. So every time you attempt it, you *cannot* be given the benefit of the doubt, nor can your "good faith" be assumed. You know, as you have for many weeks now, that all such attempts in which you contradict the clear definitions given in the dictionary are bad-faith and maliciousness on your Mar 04 20:14
mjg59If I'm correct in my assumption that it's a slur, then does it meet the definition of transphobia?Mar 04 20:14
Old_Manpart.Mar 04 20:14
gryMinceR: are you from the US?Mar 04 20:14
Old_ManSo, the discussion ends when you are caught making such bigoted false accusations, until such time as you have apologized for making your bad-faith assumptions and malicious false accusations.Mar 04 20:14
gryMinceR: or that US people being referred to UK dictionaries question was just for this conversation, but not related to yourselvesMar 04 20:15
gryDaemonFC[m]: are you editing wikipedia from time to time?Mar 04 20:15
CrystalMathOld_Man: the transphobic thing would be that this person denies that a trans woman is a woman, i thinkMar 04 20:16
CrystalMathin the post referred to by mjg59 Mar 04 20:16
Old_ManIn a parallel universe, there is a more intelligent version of mgj59 who intelligently wrote, "you're right; sorry. I should not have held the phoronix forum website responsible for speech which I had no way of knowing whether it was transphobic or not."Mar 04 20:16
DaemonFC[m]Yes.Mar 04 20:16
mjg59CrystalMath: I don't know that there's any indication that the woman in question is trans other than the poster's assertionMar 04 20:17
Old_ManCrystalMath, those people are clearly stupid for *caring* whether an executive has one sex or another, but that isn't what the term "transphobic" means.Mar 04 20:18 is a poor source.  It blocks Tor, and it's US-centricMar 04 20:18
CrystalMathmjg59: yeah i don't think Lisa Su is trans, but to me the transphobic thing about the post is that the poster asserts that if that were the case, then Lisa Su would not be a woman somehowMar 04 20:19
CrystalMathso i do agree that this particular post is transphobicMar 04 20:19
CrystalMathon the other hand, simply using a particular word does not have to be transphobic by itselfMar 04 20:20
Old_ManThat's not what the word "transphobic" means, either.Mar 04 20:20
Old_ManReally, it is not that hard to look it up, to make sure you're not going all "1984 antagonist" :DMar 04 20:21
Old_ManWe have the internet nowadays, to make these determinations easier. :DMar 04 20:21
Old_ManIn case you had not noticed. :DMar 04 20:21
CrystalMath"Transphobia is a collection of ideas and phenomena that encompass a range of negative attitudes, feelings or actions towards transgender people or transness in general."Mar 04 20:22
Old_ManWrong. says it is specifically irrational fear, aversion, or discrimination.Mar 04 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Transphobia | Definition of Transphobia by Merriam-WebsterMar 04 20:23
CrystalMathOld_Man: i cited wikipediaMar 04 20:24
CrystalMathso we have conflicting entries in different dictionariesMar 04 20:25
Old_ManNo you didn't. You didn't cite anywhere. :) But now that you have done so, we should point out that that's the reason why wikipedia's credibility has dropped so far on politicized issues.Mar 04 20:25
Old_ManBecause it lends itself to the exact Orwellian manipulation that bad people, like offensive bigot mgj59, engage in.Mar 04 20:25
mjg59Old_Man: Perhaps you should read the definition of discrimination?Mar 04 20:26
gryi'd suggest to not name callMar 04 20:27
gryit doesn't help anythingMar 04 20:27
gryi'd even suggest mjg59 to retreat for now and wait for a moment when Old_Man is able to lead a civil discussionMar 04 20:27
Old_Mangry, good idea. Let's see if we can get anyone to apologize for name-calling "transphobic" before verifying their intention.Mar 04 20:27
gryname calling has a target clearly said in the text, which this one doesn'tMar 04 20:27
Old_ManYes, that's also a good idea. Halting the false accusations and redefinition of terms for... what shall we say? Ten years? Maybe 20?Mar 04 20:28
gryyou can have itMar 04 20:28
cybrNautOld_Man> I am offended and hurt by people who attempt to make words into "slurs" before consulting with the person who spoke it, to determine whether they intended it to be one. <= that's not how it works.  A word /becomes/ a slur if it's commonly used in a condescending way.  It's status as a slur doesn't change on-the-fly case-by-case based on how or who uses it (the N word is an exception).Mar 04 20:28
Old_ManHahahaha... "that's not how it works," except for when you declare it an exception? :DMar 04 20:28
Old_ManThat's funny.Mar 04 20:28
gryCrystalMath: hiMar 04 20:29
CrystalMathhi gry Mar 04 20:29
gryCrystalMath: how are you?Mar 04 20:29
CrystalMathi'm okay, you?Mar 04 20:29
CrystalMathcybrNaut: i think that sucks, it's not the words themselves we should look at, but the context behind themMar 04 20:29
gryCrystalMath: how are youMar 04 20:29
cybrNaute.g. "brits" is not a slur.  But if Brits go to war and their enemy calls them "Brits" in a condescending way, it becomes a slur thereafter.Mar 04 20:29
gryCrystalMath: sorry, mis tabbedMar 04 20:29
gryCrystalMath: i just woke up, doing a few coding tasksMar 04 20:30
cybrNautIf someone naively uses a slur accidentally, it's still a slur and they should be correctedMar 04 20:30
CrystalMathcybrNaut: tbh i think that's dumb and it's dumbing down our communication; we should look at the intention and not the wordMar 04 20:30
cybrNautCrystalMath: i didn't write these rules and conventionsMar 04 20:31
cybrNautit's how it isMar 04 20:31
CrystalMathcybrNaut: screw the rules and conventions!Mar 04 20:31
CrystalMathfight the powerMar 04 20:31
cybrNautif a word becomes a slur, stop using itMar 04 20:31
CrystalMathno!Mar 04 20:31
CrystalMathbe a rebel!Mar 04 20:31
CrystalMaththat said, the referenced post is still transphobic in its intentionMar 04 20:33
CrystalMathi will agree that most people who use these so-called "slurs" often do have bad intentions in mindMar 04 20:33
cybrNautOld_Man> Hahahaha... "that's not how it works," except for when you declare it an exception? :D <= the N word is an atypical case.  You could say it's always a slur, but it's tolerated in many circumstances where it actually liberates the oppressedMar 04 20:33
Old_ManNo it isn't. I've heard transvestites use "tranny" in exactly the same way.Mar 04 20:34
Old_ManI would go so far as to say you're completely backwards wrong on that, and that almost *every* slur is *only* a slur because of intention.Mar 04 20:34
cybrNautnonesenseMar 04 20:35
cybrNautintent is subjectiveMar 04 20:35
Old_ManI'm sure if I were wrong, you'd have elucidated an intelligent argument otherwords, rather than just saying "nonsense."Mar 04 20:35
Old_ManBut you didn't, so I'm not wrong.Mar 04 20:35
CrystalMathOld_Man: sadly one of my friends was actually k-lined from freenode for using the word "tranny" despite not having a bad intention; and i know him, he tends to change his mind on the thing, but generally does not have any LGBT-phobia i believeMar 04 20:35
Old_ManI think it's probable the k-liner just couldn't survive in a setting that abided by the Chicago Statement of Principles, so fell back on the totalitarian methods as described in Orwell's "1984."Mar 04 20:36
Old_ManI'm quite adept at refuting *actual* bigots and racists and sexists, so if you encounter any, you don't need to beg some totalitarian powermonger to resolve the issue: just bring them to me. :)Mar 04 20:37
Old_ManIt's as I quoted earlier: "Our world is not divided by race, color, gender, or religion. Our world is divided into wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender, or religion." -Mohamad SafaMar 04 20:38
CrystalMathmy friend was k-lined 3 times in total, and the other 2 times made sense, the first was him verbally abusing an ircop on purpose for some reason, and the second was related to his actual sexism problemMar 04 20:38
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cybrNautTrump's world is divided by "race, color, gender, or religion."  Division is a result of someones perception and actions.  Anyone can divide.Mar 04 20:39
Old_ManWell ircops on freenode do tend to be highly insecure and suffering from a desire from self-aggrandizement, as the role itself is kind of like being a beat cop: it attracts people who suffer from such insecurity.Mar 04 20:39
gryi suspect you might have an interest in running an irc channel your way and show to others your principles thereMar 04 20:41
Old_ManOh YeAh BaBy! Trump-hatred-citing! When you see Trump's name brought up in a conversation that has absolutely zero to do with him, you know you're looking at someone who is attempting to participate in 04 20:41
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grywhat do you think?Mar 04 20:41
Old_ManShow us how you scream and throw things at the telescreen :DMar 04 20:42
CrystalMathi rolled my eyes at the mention of Trump as well, but other than that it would sound like cybrNaut is agreeing with you, or am i getting this wrong?Mar 04 20:42
gryCrystalMath: i think he's a bit deafMar 04 20:42
gryCrystalMath: either that, or slowMar 04 20:42
MinceRgry: i am from hungary, unfortunatelyMar 04 20:44
CrystalMathalso note that i say that my friend has a sexism *problem*, i do regard it as a disease, it harmed him more than anyone else in his life, and there are circumstances that may have caused itMar 04 20:44
Old_Man"Disease" doesn't mean, "anything that harms you," though.Mar 04 20:44
cybrNautCrystalMath: Old_Man believes there are no divisions based on "race, color, gender, or religion."  I'm saying quite the opposite.  Trump is a clear example.  Under Trump, we are divided.  But not just Trump.. anyone can divideMar 04 20:45
Old_ManDon't forget, we're coming off four years of people screaming false accusations against Trump, too.Mar 04 20:45
CrystalMathcybrNaut: yes but Old_Man said that fools divide and are divided, and i imagine you consider Trump and his supporters to be fools, IIRCMar 04 20:45
Old_ManNow, I hate to defend him, as I think he *is* an idiot, but most of the accusations of racism and homophobia I've seen against him were just plain false.Mar 04 20:46
cybrNautI can put a website on CloudFlare, and suddenly there is division: denied Tor users and served non-tor users.  Anyone can create division of any kindMar 04 20:46
Old_ManYes, Trump and many of his supporters are fools. But that doesn't mean that accusations of racism or homophobia are correct.Mar 04 20:46
Old_ManThe hate-screamers still need to provide evidence, and they usually didn't do that.Mar 04 20:46
CrystalMathOld_Man: indeed... for a fool, he has made very few racist remarksMar 04 20:47
cybrNautit's absurdly ignorant to say the contrary.. that no one causes division by "race, color, gender, or religion."Mar 04 20:47
mjg59He had to settle a lawsuit for racist discrimination in property rentalMar 04 20:47
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Old_ManTrump was, for example, the very first person in the history of the entire universe to be elected a President of the United States while supporting marriage equality for homosexuals.Mar 04 20:47
CrystalMathwhat about Obama's second term?Mar 04 20:49
CrystalMathdidn't he support it the second time around?Mar 04 20:49
Old_ManI don't remember when Obama made his stupid "evolving" comment, but he was too scared to run for his first term while sticking up for equal treatment under the law for homosexuals, the way Trump did.Mar 04 20:49
CrystalMathright, i remember he couldn't care less in 2008Mar 04 20:50
CrystalMathbut probably very few politicians didMar 04 20:50
Old_ManIt isn't that he didn't care; it's that he knew Democrats were every bit as bigoted in 2008 as the Republicans were.Mar 04 20:51
Old_ManAnd they both still are; just they've shifted whom they believe it's okay to hate today.Mar 04 20:51
gryMinceR: how is the pandemic in hungary?Mar 04 20:51
gryMinceR: do many people there speak russian or it is rather uncommon? what second language is learned at schools?Mar 04 20:52
MinceRgry: it is hard to know since the government impedes testing ("testing can't stop the pandemic") and lies about the numbers, but what we do know is pretty horrifyingMar 04 20:52
gryinterestingMar 04 20:52
cybrNautCrystalMath> didn't he support it the second time around? <= yes, he got critisized for flipping on that, but IMO he was always tolerant of it but the public was notMar 04 20:52
gryso do they want people to stay home or something, MinceR?Mar 04 20:52
grywhat do they think will help to stop?Mar 04 20:53
MinceRthe government's alleged measures to fight the pandemic are either worthless or counter-productive, but certainly harmful to peopleMar 04 20:53
MinceRand especially harmful to people and groups the government is trying to destroy (e.g. local governments where the opposition won the election)Mar 04 20:53
cybrNautjust like Lincoln & slavery.. he wanted to shut down the KKK, but the public hadn't evolved to that level yetMar 04 20:53
MinceRand they're about to add further restrictions soon, which will probably be catastrophicalMar 04 20:53
MinceRthey're trying to trick people into taking untested, uninspected alleged vaccines with no quality control that we know ofMar 04 20:54
MinceRin an effort to suck up to xi jinping and putinMar 04 20:54
MinceRi don't think they really care if people stay home or not, they just want to pose as our heroic defenders while they abuse the hell out of the situationMar 04 20:54
CrystalMathMinceR: also they tried to ban the existence of trans peopleMar 04 20:55
MinceRthey've given corporations owned by orban's front man and friends as "aid"Mar 04 20:55
cybrNautObama overturned don't-ask-don't-tell iircMar 04 20:55
CrystalMathwell, they did revoke all legal recognitionMar 04 20:55
MinceRs/as/handouts &/Mar 04 20:55
MinceRthey've changed the laws abusing the situation alsoMar 04 20:56
cybrNautObama endorsed gay marriage too => 04 20:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'Gay Marriage ruling is a victory for America' Barack Obama - BBC News - InvidiousMar 04 20:56
cybrNautIf Trump were to attempt to hinder gay marriage, he would be *regressing*. The courage lies with making that change, not inertia of the status quoMar 04 20:59
CrystalMathTrump still gets the badge for second president of the united states to be elected while supporting gay marriage, and the first republican to do soMar 04 20:59
CrystalMathi guess it is a significant improvement for republicansMar 04 21:00
cybrNautTrump simply didn't reverse that policy.. which would have escellated his bigotry perhaps to an unsustainable level.  His xenophobia, Islamaphobia, white supremecy had his priorityMar 04 21:01
Old_ManThose were all just false accusations, though.Mar 04 21:03
Old_ManEverybody who says those things is just practicing Orwell's "Two Minutes Hate."Mar 04 21:03
CrystalMathwell he did want to build a wall...Mar 04 21:03
MinceRhe seems to have many followers who are practicing "Two Minutes Hate", thenMar 04 21:04
Old_ManLike the immigration ban that NPR kept falsely calling, a "Muslim ban." It didn't ban Indonesia, where the largest number of Muslims come from; nor Pakistan, nor India, nor Saudi Arabia. It very simply WAS NOT a Muslim ban.Mar 04 21:04
CrystalMathcybrNaut: but then again, he was pictured holding an LGBT flag, and republicans nominated him and voted him inMar 04 21:04
Old_ManThe wall was for keeping out the *criminals* from Mexico. Those who accused him of saying "all Mexicans are rapists" were WRONG. They were just lying, in their Two Minutes Hate.Mar 04 21:04
CrystalMathcybrNaut: that's got to be a sign of improvement among republicans regarding LGBT toleranceMar 04 21:04
mjg59Old_Man: He didn't say a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."?Mar 04 21:05
Old_Manmjg59: of course not. That was made up by fucking liars.Mar 04 21:05
Old_ManAnd is only repeated today by... fucking liars.Mar 04 21:05
cybrNautnonesense.  xenophobia (plainly evident in his border policy that all xenophobes praise), Islamaphobia (proven by Trump's travel bans), white supremecy (scandals with his properties, criticism of BLM, inability to condemn Proud Boys, the Confederate flag-toting Capitol rioters that he summoned)Mar 04 21:05
Old_ManIt was a blatant misquotation for the purpose of spreading hate.Mar 04 21:05
CrystalMathcybrNaut: maybe he criticized those who looted under the guise of BLM insteadMar 04 21:06
mjg59Old_Man: So what was the correct quote?Mar 04 21:06
Old_ManAnd his comment about the North Carolina demonstrations, where he said "there are good people on both sides?" The Two Minutes Hate critics said he was saying that about white supremacists. But he was not. That was his critics being... fucking liars, again.Mar 04 21:06
CrystalMathcybrNaut: i find the argument that he's a white supremacist to be weak, but xenophobic and islamophobic does make sense given what we've seenMar 04 21:07
Old_ManThe "good people on both sides" comment was about the *statue debate*, and he explicitly condemned white supremacists in the very next paragraph of the transcript.Mar 04 21:07
Old_ManBut fucking liars, like mjg59, continue to misquote him and they continue to destroy their own credibility, even while they CONTRIBUTE TO the credibility of Trump and his supporters!Mar 04 21:07
cybrNaut 04 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Drug dealers, criminals, rapists': What Trump thinks of Mexicans - BBC NewsMar 04 21:07
Old_ManI really wish mjg59 and his fellow liars would stop that... Trump is an idiot. Stop building up his credibility by lying about him all the time.Mar 04 21:08
mjg59Old_Man: Someone should really have told his campaign: 04 21:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ​Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration | Donald J Trump for PresidentMar 04 21:08
CrystalMathbelieving that foreigners are the cause of your problems is definitely kinda xenophobicMar 04 21:10
mjg59Old_Man: Would you like to apologise for calling me a liar?Mar 04 21:10
Old_ManI'm sorry; what did you say that was true, again?Mar 04 21:10
mjg59That Trump said he was calling for ""a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."Mar 04 21:11
Old_ManAnd the link you posted attributed that to his campaign. Would you like to find a transcript? I'm having a hard time finding it at the moment.Mar 04 21:12
CrystalMathyeah i didn't want to comment on that one, it definitely sounds like him and does expose a xenophobic mindset; though i still don't think he's also a white supremacistMar 04 21:12
mjg59Old_Man: He read the statement at a rally that nightMar 04 21:13
CrystalMathit's on the pageMar 04 21:13
Old_ManYeah, help me find the transcript of that speech.Mar 04 21:14
CrystalMath"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."Mar 04 21:14
CrystalMathi also know that Trump was super big on israel, so i'm not surprised... it's quite possible he was pressured into this by Sheldon AdelsonMar 04 21:16
Old_ManThis one says it *was* there, but got scrubbed: 04 21:16
mjg59Old_Man: 30:33 in 04 21:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'Muslim ban' language scrubbed from Trump campaign website | Fox NewsMar 04 21:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Presidential Candidate Donald Trump Rally in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina | C-SPAN.orgMar 04 21:16
CrystalMathOld_Man: yeah it's possible that it was just put there by the PR guy who was pretty bad at his jobMar 04 21:16
CrystalMathi wonder who it wasMar 04 21:16
Old_ManSo, I would have to apologize, if I were conversing with someone who had apologized for saying that I didn't know what "evidence" was, when I had stated my explicit agreement with the dictionary definition.Mar 04 21:17
CrystalMathi read "Gage Skidmore" but that's a photographerMar 04 21:17
Old_ManBut, let's just say that when Trump said "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States," what he *meant* was that he supported the serving of corned beef and sourkraut on rye.Mar 04 21:17
Old_ManAfter all, that's how the redefinition of terms to make accusations works, right?Mar 04 21:17
mjg59Cool, so Trump said thatMar 04 21:18
CrystalMathdid he? or was it his campaign manager?Mar 04 21:18
mjg59CrystalMath: The words came out of his mouthMar 04 21:18
CrystalMathMr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of Mar 04 21:19
CrystalMathreason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. TrumpMar 04 21:19
CrystalMaththis is what the page quotes Trump on, while the line above isn't a direct quoteMar 04 21:19
mjg59CrystalMath: Watch the video I just linked toMar 04 21:19
mjg59It's at 30:33Mar 04 21:19
CrystalMathokay let's seeMar 04 21:19
CrystalMathhmm, very high quality, it will take a long time to downloadMar 04 21:20
CrystalMathlet me see if there's multiple versionsMar 04 21:20
CrystalMathah, there areMar 04 21:20
CrystalMathtrying -f hls-118Mar 04 21:20
CrystalMath(i use youtube-dl)Mar 04 21:21
CrystalMathokay this will workMar 04 21:21
CrystalMathi have about 100 KB/sMar 04 21:21
Old_ManOkay, I got it. He did say it; he read it aloud.Mar 04 21:23
Old_ManIt was written in the third person, but he read it himself.Mar 04 21:23
cybrNautThe literal interpretation of Trump's dog-whisle-laced weasel words is less interesting than the effect the words have.  Xenophobes love Trump.  White supremecists love Trump.  Islamaphobes love Trump.  Trump is vile to BLM advocates, pro-equal rights proponents, and poverty opponents (income equality advocates).Mar 04 21:24
Old_ManShame that we have to jump through so many hoops, because the person saying it has established such a reputation for being an outright fucking liar.Mar 04 21:24
CrystalMathyep, heard itMar 04 21:25
Old_MancybrNaut, but as you can see, most of the accusations made are just plain wrong.Mar 04 21:25
CrystalMathit did sound like him :PMar 04 21:25
Old_ManHe *did not* say all Mexicans are rapists, for example. He *did not* say he had ever "grabbed women by the pussy," for example.Mar 04 21:26
Old_ManHe *did not* say there are "good people on both sides" about white supremacists, for example.Mar 04 21:26
cybrNautTrump praised other white supremecists and xenophobes (Stephen Miller, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones)Mar 04 21:26
Old_ManHe *did not* tell anyone to drink bleach for COVID-19.Mar 04 21:26
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CrystalMathwhat makes Alex Jones a white supremacist?Mar 04 21:26
CrystalMathof the 3 i've only also heard of Rush Limbaugh, but i know he's some idiot from Bush's timeMar 04 21:27
Old_ManThose are false accusations as well.Mar 04 21:27
CrystalMathi think Alex Jones legitimately tries to be an alternative journalist, but his behavior just makes him look crazyMar 04 21:27
MinceRyeah, he suggested that bleach be _injected_ against COVID-19Mar 04 21:28
CrystalMathidk, maybe that's some publicity stuntMar 04 21:28
MinceRwhich is far more reasonable.Mar 04 21:28
Old_ManMinceR: no, he certainly did not. That's a false accusation too.Mar 04 21:28
Old_ManGo look at the transcript again.Mar 04 21:28
CrystalMathhe asked if they could use bleach in the body to kill SARS-CoV-2Mar 04 21:28
CrystalMathit was a questionMar 04 21:28
cybrNaut  <= find rush limbaughMar 04 21:29
Old_ManThat was just a false accusation that was recited over and over again by hate-screaming bigots practicing their "Two Minutes Hate" brainwashing, as depicted in George Orwell's famous dystopian novel, "1984."Mar 04 21:29
Old_ManI seem to recall he said, "SOMETHING LIKE." Like, he wanted to see that kind of action in an injectable treatment.Mar 04 21:29
CrystalMathhe also asked about UV lightMar 04 21:29
CrystalMaththat one is actually not a dumb questionMar 04 21:29
CrystalMathas UV light has been tested for this purposeMar 04 21:29
MinceRhe sounds like someone who knows jack shit about medicine throwing shit at the wall in a failed attempt to sound smartMar 04 21:30
Old_ManYeah, *can* we treat COVID-19 with ***SOMETHING LIKE*** a disinfectant action?Mar 04 21:30
CrystalMathMinceR: it was still a questionMar 04 21:30
Old_ManRight. He's an idiot. But not so big an idiot to suggest drinking bleach or injecting it.Mar 04 21:30
MinceRand then his supporters scramble to make him look less like an idiotMar 04 21:30
CrystalMathcan we nuke the hurricane?Mar 04 21:30
Old_ManAnd his opponents scramble to make him look like an idiot by blatantly fucking lying about what he said.Mar 04 21:30
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Old_ManTo include Biden, who is the one who falsely claimed Trump said to drink bleach.Mar 04 21:30
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Old_ManHe's already an idiot, people. If you have to lie to criticize  him, then you just make him look smarter.Mar 04 21:31
CrystalMathMinceR: really, Trump was pretty quiet when he asked that question, it did not sound like's trying to be authoritative on medicineMar 04 21:31
MinceRhe did say something vague about injecting somethingMar 04 21:31
CrystalMathhe unambiguously sounded like an idiotMar 04 21:31
MinceRbut i guess the moral of the story is that if you're planning to lie, phrase it as a question.Mar 04 21:32
Old_ManYes, what he said was a *question* though.Mar 04 21:32
CrystalMathand he was almost stutteringMar 04 21:32
Old_ManAnd he really did say "***SOMETHING LIKE****"Mar 04 21:32
cybrNaut"i think Alex Jones legitimately tries to be an alternative journalist" <= you're a few documentaries short of having a clue.  After he accused parents Sandy Hooks shootings of staging their child's deaths, his lawyer told the court he's an "actor" making a work of fictionMar 04 21:32
CrystalMathOld_Man: yeah, it sounded like desperationMar 04 21:32
MinceRand why did he ask these _questions_ standing at a pulpit, from someone apparently sitting next to that pulpit?Mar 04 21:32
CrystalMathlike for example, during a financial crisis, if someone said "huh, could be maybe do something like copy & paste on the money?"Mar 04 21:33
MinceRcybrNaut: maybe being an "alternative journalist" depends on having "alternative facts"Mar 04 21:33
CrystalMath*could weMar 04 21:33
Old_ManCrystalMath: and in that case, the answer is "yes;" that is indeed what they do. Is "something like" copoy-and-paste the money.Mar 04 21:33
Old_ManSo, that's malicious against savers, but it isn't wrong.Mar 04 21:34
CrystalMathwell technically bleach WILL kill COVID-19 if injected into the bodyMar 04 21:34
CrystalMaththe host will not survive, thoughMar 04 21:34
CrystalMathbut the virus will die, after the host dies, from lack of materialMar 04 21:34
CrystalMathit's only a matter of timeMar 04 21:35
cybrNautMinceR: "alternative facts" is still a bit generous.. implies that those conpsiracy theories fell in his lap, as opposed to being entirely frabricated from thin airMar 04 21:35
MinceRcybrNaut: of course it's generous, it's their term :>Mar 04 21:35
MinceR(not jones', but "republicans"')Mar 04 21:35
CrystalMathcybrNaut: so he's a fake?Mar 04 21:35
CrystalMaththat's kinda cool then, actually; he does a good job at actingMar 04 21:36
cybrNautCrystalMath: absolutely.  You really need to see some of the NPR documentaries on him.  Mar 04 21:36
Old_ManAlex Jones is almost as bad as NPR at just making shit up.Mar 04 21:36
Old_ManWait... NPR covered Alex Jones? :DMar 04 21:37
Old_ManWhat a clusterfuck that must be! :DMar 04 21:37
MinceRwell, iirc when he got sued, he or his lawyer claimed he was just playing a characterMar 04 21:37
cybrNautAlex Jones started off like Rush, but was forced to gradually become more and more looney to get more interest.Mar 04 21:37
Old_ManAlex Jones let Roger Ver shill for his namespace-collision-attack cryptocurrency.Mar 04 21:37
CrystalMath 04 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gay Frogs (Alex Jones REMIX) - YouTubeMar 04 21:37
MinceR 04 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alex Jones DMT Remix - YouTubeMar 04 21:38
cybrNautAlex Jones was competing with *himself*.  Each conspiracy Theory had to be more wild than the previous one in order to keep the nutters glued to his showsMar 04 21:38
Old_ManYeah, that's pretty much exactly the same as NPR.Mar 04 21:38
cybrNauthe's completely unhingedMar 04 21:38
cybrNautnot at all like NPR, which is boring, dry, bland, newsMar 04 21:39
mjg59Old_Man: So you wouldn't describe irrational discrimination against muslims to be islamophobic?Mar 04 21:40
cybrNautAlex Jones is so looney tunes bonkers as to say Hillary Clinton was running a pedo sex ring in the basement of a pizza parlor.  One of his nutty listeners believed him, took a road trip to New York to visit the pizza shop, and busted in shooting, only to find that the place didn't even have a basementMar 04 21:43
cybrNautAlex Jones was then forced to admit that his facts were a bit dodgyMar 04 21:44
cybrNautthat's when his lawyer said he's an actor and free speech allows him to produce a fictional workMar 04 21:45
MinceR 04 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Goblins (Alex Jones REMIX) - YouTubeMar 04 21:45
Old_Manmjg59: of course I would, where your use of the word "islamophobic" means, "mjg59 likes to touch children in the places their swimsuits cover."Mar 04 21:45
mjg59Wold you consider it to meet the defintion provided by Merriam-Webster?Mar 04 21:46
Old_ManOh, do you care about that now? :DMar 04 21:46
MinceR 04 21:47
CrystalMathcybrNaut: i really wondered where that basement idea came from, so it was Alex Jones?Mar 04 21:48
cybrNautyesMar 04 21:48
*CrystalMath doesn't really watch Alex Jones except for the funny bitsMar 04 21:48
gryMinceR: has your local area decided to stay home just for the sake of their own safety?Mar 04 21:50
gryMinceR: they can just do the sensible thing even if the government doesn't call for it, you knowMar 04 21:50
MinceRi certainly have, i'm not sure about my neighborsMar 04 21:51
mjg59Old_Man: You apparently doMar 04 21:51
Old_ManVery well; I'll be happy to have that conversation with anyone else who does, as well.Mar 04 21:51
gryMinceR: you see it is double sided stick, on one side staying home would help heaps, on the other side I think it is just an exaggerated over-measured flu and the alarms are misplaced and designed to kill small businessMar 04 21:51
MinceRi don't know about that, but i'd rather not take chances, especially on behalf of my motherMar 04 21:52
Old_ManBut, you know, since you explicitly lied about my citation of Merriam-Webster definition 1 a of "evidence," you'll probably need to regain some credibility before anybody will care about your accusations.Mar 04 21:52
gryMinceR: I would take it as opportunity to run a local ircd in your house if you have a static ip, and get your neighbours to join thatMar 04 21:52
MinceRalso, i'm pretty sure it's not a "flu"Mar 04 21:52
MinceR"flu" is caused by influenzavirus, COVID-19 is caused by coronavirusMar 04 21:52
gryMinceR: as an opportunity to bring people onto something else than facebook etcMar 04 21:52
CrystalMathyeah, it's a cold insteadMar 04 21:52
MinceRmy neighbors are way too stupid to be able to use ircdMar 04 21:52
CrystalMathbut in some people it develops into SARSMar 04 21:53
MinceRCrystalMath: isn't SARS "just a cold"?Mar 04 21:53
mjg59My position: Trump announced a plan to engage in irrational discrimination against muslims. When inaugerated, he quickly passed an executive order that multiple courts agreed was discriminatory against muslims. It's legitimate to describe him as islamophobic.Mar 04 21:53
gryMinceR: then host a webchat, or find some other communication protocol that would be more suitableMar 04 21:53
CrystalMathno SARS is not a virus, it's a syndromeMar 04 21:53
Old_Manmjg59: did he state any evidence to support his stance against muslim immigration?Mar 04 21:54
MinceRgry: one of them prefers to "communicate" via drill or angle grinder or hammerMar 04 21:54
cybrNautCrystalMath: Alex Jones had a large captive audience of right-wing nut jobs, which Trump highly prized.  Trump appeared on his show, so Trump benefited from that platformMar 04 21:54
MinceRi wonder how they manage to fit more holes in their apartment at this pointMar 04 21:54
gryhmmMar 04 21:54
MinceRmaybe they also make concrete in their home so they have something to drill.Mar 04 21:54
CrystalMathlolMar 04 21:54
CrystalMathi can imagine neighbors justMar 04 21:54
CrystalMathbuying concrete slabsMar 04 21:54
CrystalMathand then drilling themMar 04 21:55
gryat least they're not a fireman, as thatd have them light fires in each part of their environment just to have something to extinguishMar 04 21:55
grythats a plusMar 04 21:55
MinceRah yes, home office for firemenMar 04 21:55
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mjg59Old_Man: The only evidence provided was a set of poll numbers from an organisation run by one of the "Obama is muslim" conspiracy theorists.Mar 04 21:56
Old_ManWhich organization was that?Mar 04 21:56
mjg59The Center for Security PolicyMar 04 21:56
Old_ManWRONG. He also cited the Pew research poll.Mar 04 21:57
cybrNautmjg59: and don't forget that middle name right-wingers like to use (Hussein)Mar 04 21:57
Old_ManThat's two more sources than you give for any of your opinions. :DMar 04 21:57
Old_ManSo if he's actually looking at the polling data, then that's not "irrational." I don't *agree* with his policy decision, but no, that doesn't support "your position" as you gave it above.Mar 04 21:57
mjg59Old_Man: He referenced Pew, but did not actually provide any of their dataMar 04 21:57
cybrNautsurely anyone with middle name Hussein must be muslim :)Mar 04 21:58
Old_ManI think we should subject all Muslim immigrants, and all immigrants, with the kind of qualitative interviews Quebec does for their refugee applicants. Mar 04 21:58
Old_ManQuebec tries to preserve their "unique culture" and limits refugee status to those who don't threaten it. But that means individual, one-on-one decision-making, where Trump supporters and haters alike try to make one-size-fits-everybody policies.Mar 04 21:59
cybrNautthat's been tried.  A middle eastern student was refused entry into the US because one of his Facebook friends said something anti-americanMar 04 21:59
cybrNautThe student was accepted into StanfordMar 04 22:00
cybrNautbut blockedMar 04 22:00
Old_ManSo I lump them all into the same boat together: the people screaming hatred about Trump, and making up false accusations and redefining terms in Orwellian totalitarianism, all suffer from the same kind of idiocy.Mar 04 22:00
Old_ManErr, I meant to include "and Trump himself, and his supporters"Mar 04 22:01
cybrNautoops, guess it was Harvard => 04 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Harvard student was denied entry in the US over friends' social media activityMar 04 22:02
cybrNauthe was deported because of what a friend saidMar 04 22:03
Old_ManIs that the kind of qualitative interview process to which Quebec subjects its refugees?Mar 04 22:03
cybrNautit's a Trump-era interview process Mar 04 22:03
Old_ManSo, no, it hasn't been tried yet?Mar 04 22:03
MinceRdoes Quebec settle for snooping after people's friends on faecesbook too?Mar 04 22:03
cybrNaut...where they just get enough info to do poorlyMar 04 22:03
Old_ManI'm not wholly opposed to blocking visas because of participation with America-hatred on social media; it shows they're not intelligent enough to use encrypted social media. :DMar 04 22:04
MinceRnot all jobs need intelligent people though :>Mar 04 22:05
cybrNautOld_Man: getting more info doesn't help the problem of making poor decisions with the info you have-- it *worsens* itMar 04 22:05
Old_ManIn that case it was probably just stupidity, but there are thousands more people standing in line behind that one person, so playing a bit "stupid" on the admissions process is acceptable.Mar 04 22:05
cybrNautgive CBP more data, and they can react poorly in more situationsMar 04 22:05
Old_MancybrNaut, yeah, they should focus on the kind of information that matters. But that takes time and effort, and if people are just going to lie about your motivations anyway, and make up false accusations, why bother to expend the effort to do it right?Mar 04 22:08
cybrNautQuebec tries to preserve their "unique culture"  <= that means maintain a homogeneos mono culture to American CBPMar 04 22:08
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Old_ManNo, in practice, it usually means they have to speak french already.Mar 04 22:08
Old_ManWhich, of course, has nothing in common with American immigration policy.Mar 04 22:09
cybrNautbad ideaMar 04 22:09
cybrNautit's xenophobic to impose language on peopleMar 04 22:09
Old_ManNo it isn't. It's quite rational.Mar 04 22:10
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cybrNautthe US does not have an official language, which is one thing the US can be proud of while it lastsMar 04 22:10
Old_ManAnd it's not "imposing" a language on people; they're still free to *not* speak french somewhere else.Mar 04 22:10
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cybrNautit's imposing b/c you are forcing a languageMar 04 22:10
Old_ManNo they're not.Mar 04 22:11
cybrNautof course they would beMar 04 22:11
Old_ManRefugee applicants are still free to *not* speak french somewhere else.Mar 04 22:11
MinceRwhat happens when they need to communicate with government officials and/or authorities?Mar 04 22:11
MinceRare those all required to understand all languages used on Earth?Mar 04 22:11
Old_ManJesus, that's like trying to take over a Python mailing list and insisting that, because you can't talk about Perl, there, they're "xenophobic."Mar 04 22:11
cybrNautcan someone pass your language test if they don't speak Engish? no? then you're imposingMar 04 22:12
Old_ManThat's not what the word "xenophobic" means.Mar 04 22:12
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cybrNaut@MinceR> what happens when they need to communicate with government officials and/or authorities? <= in the US, there is no restriction.  The IRS provides tax forms in many languagesMar 04 22:12
Old_ManBut failing to do so is not "xenophobic."Mar 04 22:13
Old_ManThat's not what the word "xenophobic" means.Mar 04 22:13
MinceRcybrNaut: but not all languagesMar 04 22:13
MinceRdoes this mean a set of languages is, after all, "forced" on immigrants to the USA?Mar 04 22:13
Old_ManAnd those kinds of false accusations are what build up Trump's credibility.,Mar 04 22:13
cybrNautMinceR: of course there's a practical matter: if the gov office doesn't support your language, you won't get service unless you get a translator, and that's fair enoughMar 04 22:13
Old_ManWhat year did Aesop commit his fable of "the boy who cried wolf" to history?Mar 04 22:14
MinceRit might be a good idea to at least let those people know that if they immigrate into a given country without understanding any language widely used in there, they're going to run into problems :>Mar 04 22:14
cybrNautMinceR: there are regions in the US where languages like French and German are common.  Tribal languages in some parts.  And federally there is no official languageMar 04 22:15
Old_ManOr, if you have a loooong long line of immigrants waiting to get in, move them to the back of the line 'til they learn the language. You can always let others in who *do* already speak the language. There's nothing irrational about that.Mar 04 22:15
cybrNautMinceR: i think ppl know what languages they'll be dealing with before they comeMar 04 22:16
cybrNautYou can always let others in who *do* already speak the language. There's nothing irrational about that. <= you're advocating monocultureMar 04 22:16
Old_ManI also insist that they not be known murderers and rapists. "AdVoCaTiNg MoNoCuLtUrE!"Mar 04 22:17
CrystalMathi dislike the extreme prevalence of english in the world, but i guess that's what countries are forMar 04 22:17
cybrNautThere's nothing irrational about tolerating different languages in a diverse 1st world countryMar 04 22:17
CrystalMathi'm totally anti-globalist, btw, i think we should all live in tiny countriesMar 04 22:17
CrystalMathand there should be like 10,000 countriesMar 04 22:18
MinceRyes, with a size of 1 personMar 04 22:18
Old_MancybrNaut, let me know how your campaign to convince Quebec to abandon their refugee policies work.Mar 04 22:18
CrystalMath10,000+Mar 04 22:18
CrystalMaththe more the merrierMar 04 22:18
*Old_Man clinks beer glasses with MinceR on that oneMar 04 22:18
CrystalMathyeah, what MinceR said would be idealMar 04 22:18
CrystalMathbut i just don't know if it's possibleMar 04 22:18
cybrNautOld_Man: let me know how your campaign to bring language protectionism to the US pans outMar 04 22:18
MinceRalthough if one was an anti-globalist, i guess this would imply no trade with anyone elseMar 04 22:18
MinceRgood thing i'm not an anti-globalistMar 04 22:19
CrystalMathhuh? noMar 04 22:19
CrystalMathi'm against the formation of a global stateMar 04 22:19
Old_MancybrNaut, that's not my campaign. I pointed out that Quebec does it.Mar 04 22:19
cybrNautthe US does not need a language war.  It's petty enough to see other countries do itMar 04 22:19
cybrNautOld_Man> cybrNaut, that's not my campaign. I pointed out that Quebec does it. <= you're advocating itMar 04 22:19
Old_MancybrNaut, but I would choose different criteria. I would advocate that our immigration policy would use qualitative interviews, but for basic humanist ethics and entrepreneurial risk profile.Mar 04 22:20
cybrNaut"entrepreneurial risk profile" <= IOW, brain drain, block the poor peopleMar 04 22:20
Old_ManYour failure is called the "straw man fallacy." You just put words into my mouth that I didn't say, because you're a fucking liar too.Mar 04 22:21
Old_ManIs there anyone who shares your opinion who is *not* a fucking liar?Mar 04 22:21
Old_ManAnd can I talk to them, instead of you?Mar 04 22:21
cybrNautthis is where Europe is more socially responsible than the US.  Europe opposes brain-draining immigration policiesMar 04 22:21
Old_ManNo, *not* "block the poor people," you lying piece of shit.Mar 04 22:22
CrystalMathcybrNaut: ha! that's a good oneMar 04 22:22
Old_ManStop putting words in my mouth I didn't say.Mar 04 22:22
CrystalMathcybrNaut: i live in a country from which people emmigrate to germany often, and i can tell you that's a lieMar 04 22:22
CrystalMathas for me, i don't care, i want to go to MEXICO :PMar 04 22:22
cybrNautCrystalMath: you believe only highly skilled people get into Germany?Mar 04 22:23
CrystalMathi KNOW only high skilled people get into germanyMar 04 22:23
CrystalMathat least from my countryMar 04 22:23
CrystalMathi'm probably a skilled person, having an M.Sc.Mar 04 22:23
Old_ManI think the evidence from this channel is clear: those who sob and whine about "xenophobia" all seem to be 100% fucking liars.Mar 04 22:23
CrystalMathbut i couldn't care less about germanyMar 04 22:23
CrystalMathi wouldn't go there if they threatened my lifeMar 04 22:24
CrystalMathnor anywhere in the EUMar 04 22:24
cybrNautCrystalMath> but i couldn't care less about germany <= ok, but it's not about Germany.  If Germany is brain-draining your country, it's bad for /your country/Mar 04 22:24
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CrystalMathcybrNaut: yeah, i know, but i'm just clarifying that i don't want to go thereMar 04 22:25
CrystalMathi want to go to Mexico insteadMar 04 22:25
Old_ManThat was the explicit philosophy of East Germany, once upon a time.Mar 04 22:25
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Old_ManWhat did they do to enforce their prohibition against "brain drain?"Mar 04 22:25
cybrNautthe US has a reputation for brain draining.. grabbing everyone with high skill from 3rd worlds, which keeps them as 3rd worldsMar 04 22:25
Old_ManI forget. Can anyone refresh my memory, about what East Germany did to stop the "brain drain" to West Germany?Mar 04 22:26
CrystalMathcybrNaut: the UK and the EU do the same, to a great extentMar 04 22:26
CrystalMaththey're a bit more lax than the US in general, that's allMar 04 22:26
Old_ManGosh, it was just sooooo long ago, I almost can't remember! What was East Germany's strategy to stop the "brain drain" to West Germany?Mar 04 22:26
CrystalMathso yeah sometimes poor people can get through, but it's also easier for highly skiled people to get throughMar 04 22:26
MinceROld_Man: they built a monument to how shitty life was in the russian empireMar 04 22:26
CrystalMathin the US it's just very hard to go thereMar 04 22:27
Old_ManMinceR: and what was that monument, exactly?Mar 04 22:27
cybrNautCrystalMath: the EU has controls against brain draining... but policy isn't always the end of the story.. maybe policy is being circumventedMar 04 22:27
MinceRthat is, if you accept that slaves escaping is "brain drain"Mar 04 22:27
MinceROld_Man: one or two wallsMar 04 22:27
Old_ManTHEY BUILT A WALL!Mar 04 22:27
MinceRso?Mar 04 22:27
Old_ManCongratulations, cybrNaut, you have achieved the "unity" Biden was asking for.Mar 04 22:27
Old_ManYou are now united with Trump's vision for how to prevent the kind of immigration you don't want to see.Mar 04 22:28
MinceROld_Man: what is the significance of that wall?Mar 04 22:28
CrystalMathyeah Trump did kinda redirect a lot of the brain drain towards the EUMar 04 22:28
CrystalMathaway from the USMar 04 22:28
MinceRis the EU on the other side of trump's wall?Mar 04 22:28
Old_ManEast Germany's wall was to keep people in. :)Mar 04 22:29
CrystalMathMinceR: yeahMar 04 22:29
cybrNautTrump stated outright that he only wants immigrants that are highly skilled.Mar 04 22:29
MinceRstrangeMar 04 22:29
Old_ManWalls to keep people out are generally more effective, because it implies the people inside those walls want to be there.Mar 04 22:29
CrystalMathcybrNaut: but in reality he made it hard even for thoseMar 04 22:29
CrystalMathcybrNaut: while the EU didn'tMar 04 22:29
MinceRyeah, the walls of the russian empire were supposed to keep people in and they were pretty heavily guardedMar 04 22:29
MinceRand a few people still got throughMar 04 22:29
MinceRbut at least it was an admission of the place being so bad you had to build a wall and guard it to keep the victims from running awayMar 04 22:30
MinceRs/you/they/Mar 04 22:30
CrystalMathcybrNaut: oh, and don't forget canada, there's LOTS of brain drain to canadaMar 04 22:30
Old_ManThe nice thing about "brain drain" is that it's pretty Darwinian and organic in nature.Mar 04 22:31
*schestowitz__ woke up to realise GoogleTroll(TM) turned a tech channel into one that defines trans peopleMar 04 22:31
MinceR:>Mar 04 22:31
cybrNaut@MinceR> is the EU on the other side of trump's wall? <= even the US is.. Trump famously commented that Colorado's southern border is where the wall will run, putting New Mexico on the non-US side :DMar 04 22:31
MinceRlolMar 04 22:31
Old_ManCharacteristics that drive "brain drain" are alterable. People can build skills, figure out for themselves if they want to solve problems in their current location or somewhere else.Mar 04 22:32
cybrNautand NM voted against himMar 04 22:32
CrystalMathNM should be returned to MexicoMar 04 22:32
CrystalMathas well as Alta CaliforniaMar 04 22:33
cybrNautOld_Man: it matters which side of the border those skills are developed.  The US is better equipped to be the place where the skills are acquiredMar 04 22:33
MinceRwell, they can change that :>Mar 04 22:33
CrystalMathyeah because we 3rd world people can totally pay for college thereMar 04 22:33
CrystalMathreally, i don't think it's good for the US to stop brain drain into the countryMar 04 22:34
CrystalMaththat drain is all they haveMar 04 22:34
CrystalMathall the brains they have, i meanMar 04 22:34
Old_MancybrNaut, don't you just craaaave the power to dictate that to people?Mar 04 22:34
Old_ManWouldn't it be *great* to tell people where they *have* to live and *have* to learn and *have* to exercise their entrepreneurial spirit?Mar 04 22:34
cybrNautCrystalMath> yeah because we 3rd world people can totally pay for college there <= Denmark is ideal, if you're an EU citizen, where school is gratisMar 04 22:35
Old_ManWouldn't that kind of authority just give you an endorphine rush like no other?Mar 04 22:35
cybrNautthe US hasn't figured out how to make higher education gratis for everyone yetMar 04 22:36
Old_ManSome of us have. Some of us have been working and contributing to open courseware for many years.Mar 04 22:36
cybrNautbut there is gratis MIT OpenCoursewhere if you just want the knowledge w/out degreeMar 04 22:37
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grydid anyone mirror the mit ocw to another server?Mar 04 22:37
Old_ManBut the principles of open courseware for education, which are *not* being used as extensively in the US as they should be, *could* also be used in any other country too.Mar 04 22:37
gryor it's just them hosting it?Mar 04 22:37
Old_ManTurns out, education and self-improvement can happen anywhere, and need not be subject to the "brain drain" worries and power-grabs of despot powermongers like cybrNaut.Mar 04 22:38
schestowitz__brexit caused brain drainMar 04 22:39
schestowitz__some people I know leftMar 04 22:39
schestowitz__and won't come backMar 04 22:39
schestowitz__never heard of someone who came here BECAUSE of BrexitMar 04 22:40
schestowitz__neither skilled or lesser skilledMar 04 22:40
Old_ManDid immigration requests go up or down?Mar 04 22:40
schestowitz__no net benefit to itMar 04 22:40
schestowitz__Old_Man: remember this is for EUMar 04 22:40
schestowitz__so it has no legal impact on anything elseMar 04 22:41
schestowitz__outflow (people leaving) is the bigger issueMar 04 22:41
psydroid<schestowitz__ "woke up to realise GoogleTroll(T"> in order to distract from real issues, so you have to give to him that he has succeeded in his mission beyond his wildest dreams at least for todayMar 04 22:41
schestowitz__yes, it's the objectiveMar 04 22:41
schestowitz__ruin forums by interjecting stuff into themMar 04 22:41
cybrNautOld_Man: interesting spin, when a brain-drain policy is actually the policy of tyrannical elitistsMar 04 22:41
Old_ManBut I'm asking about people immigrating *into* the UK.Mar 04 22:41
schestowitz__>"I’ve killed at least two Mac conferences. [...] by injecting Microsoft content into the conference, the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this?"Mar 04 22:42
schestowitz__-Microsoft's chief evangelistMar 04 22:42
schestowitz__Old_Man: no idea, but that says little about who wants to come inMar 04 22:42
schestowitz__nations should strive to suck in talent, capital etc.Mar 04 22:43
schestowitz__even investorsMar 04 22:43
schestowitz__investment in uk collapsesdMar 04 22:43
Old_MancybrNaut, my whole point is that "brain drain" is irrelevant because people can improve themselves, educate themselves, and solve their own problems no matter where they want to live. So *you* trying to control where people move just *because* people are skilled or educated *are* the "tyrannical elitist."Mar 04 22:43
*psydroid would probably have moved to the UK if Brexit hadn't happenedMar 04 22:43
cybrNautOld_Man: the idea that someone who must work in a sweatshop 16 hrs/day can "improve themselves, educate themselves" is profoundly disconnected from reality.  This is what elites tell themselvesMar 04 22:44
cybrNautliving in perpetual poverty takes ~10 IQ off, automatically, as a consequence of the stressful circumstancesMar 04 22:46
Old_ManAnd to what percentage of immigrants applying to immigrate to the US does that apply?Mar 04 22:46
schestowitz__psydroid: some wait for Scotland to leave UKMar 04 22:46
schestowitz__and then join the EUMar 04 22:47
schestowitz__then they can move their businesses to ScotlandMar 04 22:47
psydroidI could live in Edinburgh, it's a nice cityMar 04 22:48
schestowitz__it isMar 04 22:48
schestowitz__ 04 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EdinburghMar 04 22:49
*cybrNaut recalls an upper middle-class white collar right-wing American once saying: poor people are poor just because they don't invest their money wiselyMar 04 22:49
cybrNautit's comparable to victim blameMar 04 22:49
MinceRmaybe they call their own inheritance an "investment"Mar 04 22:50
cybrNautlol, yeahMar 04 22:50
schestowitz__it's a lie rich people tell themselvesMar 04 22:51
schestowitz__at least the sicker onesMar 04 22:51
schestowitz__usually sick with obsessions over moneyMar 04 22:51
Old_ManI think cybrNaut is just making up stories thought, to fit a narrative that isn't actually true. He just *really badly* wants to tell people where they should live, and how they should study, and that they all work 16-hour days in sweatshops. :DMar 04 22:57
Old_ManWe've seen a few too many indications of lust for power, like the totalitarians in "1984."Mar 04 22:57
schestowitz__most rich people, very rich people, were rich to begin withMar 04 23:02
schestowitz__it's a cycleMar 04 23:02
Old_ManGood thing wealth is not a zero-sum proposition. People can be rich without negatively affecting anyone else. Which means, their wealth can be used to meet the biological needs of their loved ones, their grand children, wider circles as they see fit...Mar 04 23:03
Old_ManAnd people who *aren't* rich can, simultaneously, work to create value for each other, and they don't even have to interact with "the rich" at all, if they don't want to.Mar 04 23:03
MinceRmost rich people don't like that method, thoughMar 04 23:04
Old_ManSo, if we all work to meet our own biological needs, our family's and loved ones' biological needs, expand our circles of support as we see fit, then everyone's needs can be met, and wealth and security can be built for everyone, without having to drive everything through jealousy and theft.Mar 04 23:04
Old_ManMinceR: oh, you know most rich people? I would say I only know a tiny percentage of them.Mar 04 23:05
MinceRi can see the works of most rich peopleMar 04 23:05
cybrNautTrumpers think their guy was good at business, but actually his parents gave him a large inheritance.. he's proven to be an elitist and not that good at business (stock picks did no better that the indexes).  Self-made wealth is what they should have looked at, if business accumen is really their focusMar 04 23:05
MinceRthe way they get their wealth and the way they use it against other peopleMar 04 23:05
Old_MancybrNaut's breaking out his "Two Minutes Hate" again. :DMar 04 23:05
Old_ManToo bad he already demonstrated that, every time he talks about Trump, he's a fucking liar.Mar 04 23:06
cybrNaut"People can be rich without negatively affecting anyone else." <= bullshit.  Bezo's wealth accumulation equals an avg salary for millions of pplMar 04 23:06
MinceRstrange, i, too seem to remember twitler inheriting a lotMar 04 23:06
Old_ManMinceR, I definitely agree in cases like Bill Gates's, but that's such a tiny minority.Mar 04 23:06
CrystalMathcybrNaut: what's negative about that?Mar 04 23:06
MinceRi doubt it's a tiny minorityMar 04 23:06
CrystalMathi mean, amazon is terrible, but you didn't really state whyMar 04 23:07
MinceRseems more like every time this sort of thing is exposed it's the same old storyMar 04 23:07
schestowitz__cybrNaut: bill gates went bankruptMar 04 23:07
schestowitz__first companyMar 04 23:07
schestowitz__Microsoft was the secondMar 04 23:07
schestowitz__wasn't even hisMar 04 23:07
schestowitz__CO-foundedMar 04 23:07
schestowitz__and it took off because of bill's momMar 04 23:07
schestowitz__when the firm was strugglingMar 04 23:07
cybrNautCrystalMath> cybrNaut: what's negative about that? <= the pot of money is *finite*.  If the $1 dollar bill isn't in one person's pocket, it's in someone elsesMar 04 23:07
schestowitz__so it would have failed without billionaires propping it up with connections and capitalMar 04 23:07
schestowitz__debunks the whole mythology around brilliance begets wealthMar 04 23:08
Old_MancybrNaut, no, the pot of money is not finite. :DMar 04 23:08
Old_ManNor is the capacity to meet each others' biological needs, either.Mar 04 23:08
schestowitz__money does not exist :-)Mar 04 23:08
schestowitz__it's a measure of purchasing powerMar 04 23:08
schestowitz__in a finite planetMar 04 23:08
Old_ManMoney is just a representative token of value, and the US Dollar is being inflated like crazy at the moment.Mar 04 23:08
Old_ManBut the value that money was *supposed* to represent, is also not finite. People can always cooperate to meet each others' needs in mutually-beneficial ways.Mar 04 23:09
cybrNautCrystalMath> i mean, amazon is terrible, but you didn't really state why =>  (rap_sheets/ 04 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm: Information and tools to facilitate ethical consumption of goods and services. - liberethos_paradigm - Gitea: Git with a cup of teaMar 04 23:09
MinceRuntil rich and powerful people manipulate the state to ban those mutually beneficial cooperationsMar 04 23:10
Old_ManYep, that's blatantly unethical, but guess what: it's unethical when poor people do it too.Mar 04 23:11
MinceRpoor people don't get to do it, thoughMar 04 23:11
Old_ManSure they do.Mar 04 23:12
Old_ManThey can vote.Mar 04 23:12
schestowitz__"poor people" isn't a type of peopleMar 04 23:12
schestowitz__it's a conditionMar 04 23:12
Old_ManAnd they do. They vote for their governments to pick winners and losers in the economy all the time.Mar 04 23:12
schestowitz__caused by exploitationMar 04 23:12
MinceRand their vote usually has no effectMar 04 23:12
schestowitz__in nations of feudalism many are poorMar 04 23:12
schestowitz__just by the nature of the systemMar 04 23:12
Old_ManNah, poverty isn't even caused by exploitation. It's just the natural order of things: it's how Mother Nature makes us. It's how we're born.Mar 04 23:12
schestowitz__poverty is not a choiceMar 04 23:12
CrystalMathcybrNaut: i absolutely disagree that the pot of money is finite, what on earth gave you that idea?Mar 04 23:12
MinceRit has no effect in one-party systems and it tends to have practically no effect in two-party systemsMar 04 23:12
MinceRstrange, some people weren't born poorMar 04 23:13
MinceRlike bill gatesMar 04 23:13
Old_ManIt's like darkness, or cold: they're things we dislike, but they aren't anyone's *fault*. We work to overcome darkness at night; we work to overcome cold that would kill us. We work to overcome poverty that would starve us.Mar 04 23:13
schestowitz__many lack this privilegeMar 04 23:13
schestowitz__some become fruit pickers at age 5Mar 04 23:13
schestowitz__no time to pick up a bookMar 04 23:14
schestowitz__they help mamaMar 04 23:14
MinceRis that what the redmond mafia does when it blocks would-be competitors from the market?Mar 04 23:14
Old_ManBill Gates was born without a single penny in his hand, same as me and you. The wealth he was given was given to him *by someone* and somewhere in that chain, someone had to produce value for someone else to create it.Mar 04 23:14
cybrNautCrystalMath: when you inflate money, it does not add to the total value.  Scarcity reduces, so each dollar becomes worth less.  You only have the illusion that you can infinitely print moneyMar 04 23:14
schestowitz__falseMar 04 23:14
MinceRis that what dehomag/hedrat does when they infiltrate free software projects like debian to deny users choice?Mar 04 23:14
MinceRbill gates was born to rich parentsMar 04 23:14
schestowitz__Old_Man: clue: Gates did not take a student loan to enroll at HarvardMar 04 23:14
MinceRhis condition existed before he was bornMar 04 23:15
schestowitz__he did not pay bailMar 04 23:15
schestowitz__when he was arrestedMar 04 23:15
schestowitz__several times in factMar 04 23:15
CrystalMathcybrNaut: but value can be generatedMar 04 23:15
schestowitz__it was his parentsMar 04 23:15
Old_ManAnd how did they get rich? Maybe by stealing, which would be unethical. But their wealth had to be *created* by someone, at some point.Mar 04 23:15
CrystalMaththe world can and does get richerMar 04 23:15
MinceRgenerating value is hard, so most people who get a choice about it avoid itMar 04 23:15
schestowitz__banking, Old_ManMar 04 23:15
Old_ManIt did not naturally exist; someone created value at some point.Mar 04 23:15
schestowitz__and state connectionsMar 04 23:15
MinceRand they instead take value from others or outright destroy valueMar 04 23:15
schestowitz__check the MaxwellsMar 04 23:15
MinceROld_Man: someone having value doesn't mean they created itMar 04 23:16
CrystalMathvoluntary exchange is always positive for both sidesMar 04 23:16
Old_ManMinceR: correct. But it means *someone* did.Mar 04 23:16
CrystalMathlike i'm going to voluntarily give up $60 for an old motherboard tomorrowMar 04 23:16
MinceRand there is nothing voluntary about the microshit taxMar 04 23:16
schestowitz__Gary Kildall did not have a patent in IBM BoardMar 04 23:16
CrystalMathi think that motherboard is better to me than that $60Mar 04 23:16
schestowitz__*parentMar 04 23:16
CrystalMathso i gainMar 04 23:16
CrystalMathand the seller thinks the $60 is better to him, so he gainsMar 04 23:16
schestowitz__who was there not because of skillsMar 04 23:16
MinceRi won't get to buy a new laptop anytime soon since apparently the nazis are planning to shut down shopsMar 04 23:17
CrystalMathwin winMar 04 23:17
schestowitz__but because of connections, dynastyMar 04 23:17
schestowitz__"pedigree"Mar 04 23:17
MinceRand so even if i have one shipped, i'll have trouble with any warranty claimsMar 04 23:17
CrystalMathMinceR: eh, this is a used board actually, it's a direct exchange :PMar 04 23:17
CrystalMathso not store-relatedMar 04 23:17
CrystalMathas far as i'm concerned i would shut down the computer stores that exist now, they're all TERRIBLEMar 04 23:17
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CrystalMathand they sell crapMar 04 23:17
MinceRdo you have a chip fab at home?Mar 04 23:18
CrystalMathnoMar 04 23:18
CrystalMathi rely exclusively on 10+ year old hardwareMar 04 23:18
MinceRneither do iMar 04 23:18
CrystalMathwhich i constantly buyMar 04 23:18
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MinceRso i'm stuck with buying stuff made by othersMar 04 23:18
CrystalMaththat's fine but i only buy old stuffMar 04 23:18
CrystalMaththere used to be great stores, but they were small onesMar 04 23:19
CrystalMaththe large stores ran by criminals just destroyed themMar 04 23:19
CrystalMathso i don't care about themMar 04 23:19
CrystalMathnow i buy from independent sellers in person, with cashMar 04 23:19
cybrNautCrystalMath> i rely exclusively on 10+ year old hardware <= the increasing abusive overuse of rampant javascript makes that unsustainableMar 04 23:20
schestowitz__use gemini and emailMar 04 23:21
*cybrNaut 's 12 y.o. machine occasionally gets brought to its knees by javascriptMar 04 23:21
schestowitz__128 of RAM would doMar 04 23:21
schestowitz__128MBMar 04 23:21
schestowitz__irc is about 5MB of RAMMar 04 23:21
schestowitz__xchat for example is lightMar 04 23:21
cybrNautschestowitz__: what's gemini?Mar 04 23:22
schestowitz__openbox, gnu, linux...Mar 04 23:22
schestowitz__not sure what linux the kernel now takesMar 04 23:22
schestowitz__with systemd RAM doesn't seem to be the main bottleneckMar 04 23:22
Old_ManI do most of my web surfing on sites that don't require javascript to get the useful information, so 99% of surfing, I leave NoScript turned on.Mar 04 23:22
schestowitz__but it takes ages to start and shut downMar 04 23:22
schestowitz__esp. on older machinesMar 04 23:22
cybrNautgemini is a linux alternative?Mar 04 23:22
schestowitz__cybrNaut: 04 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights on Gemini | TechrightsMar 04 23:23
Old_ManI get weather from; bitcoin prices from 04 23:23
schestowitz__browsers alone would take over 100MB of RAMMar 04 23:23
schestowitz__for a cold startMar 04 23:23
Old_ManOne annoying thing is that my state only publishes its COVID-19 data on Google Drive, so I *have* to turn on javascript just for that one task.Mar 04 23:23
Old_ManBut, as soon as I download the dumps of their spreadsheets, I can kill that browser sandbox.Mar 04 23:23
schestowitz__Old_Man: can you not curl/wget it?Mar 04 23:23
schestowitz__or maybe some python toolsMar 04 23:24
schestowitz__scrapers of Google DriveMar 04 23:24
cybrNauti've seen a Pleroma page rob me of ~124mb ram just for the browser tabMar 04 23:24
schestowitz__twitter is worseMar 04 23:24
Old_ManThere might be some magic recipe for that, but it isn't obvious. They are Google spreadsheets that "let you" download a .csv export, but accessing it in the first place, and getting the .csv conversion, requires javascript as far as I know.Mar 04 23:24
schestowitz__awfulMar 04 23:25
Old_Manschestowitz__: see "nitter" for a javascript-free way to load twitter links.Mar 04 23:25
Old_Mannitter.netMar 04 23:25
schestowitz__they will shut it downMar 04 23:25
CrystalMathcybrNaut: my browser is elinks, compiled with --disable-spidermonkeyMar 04 23:25
schestowitz__when it becomes more widely usedMar 04 23:25
schestowitz__more api blocks and stuffMar 04 23:25
schestowitz__or ip blocksMar 04 23:25
CrystalMathcybrNaut: no javascript ever!Mar 04 23:25
CrystalMathi only run 90s softwareMar 04 23:25
Old_Manschestowitz__: not too many people like us care about security, so we'll probably remain below the radar for some time... but, check out their git repository; there are many instances of nitter running on other domains as well.Mar 04 23:26
Old_ManIt's a pretty good workaround.Mar 04 23:26
Old_ManKinda like youtube-dl for twitter. :)Mar 04 23:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jérémie Zimmermann 🎶💗🧀: "When researchers find a flaw in the way #Signal #…" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media FédéréMar 04 23:26
psydroid10 years: bought top-notch hardware, can do everything smoothly, best computer I've ever had by farMar 04 23:27
schestowitz__Old_Man: Twitter will find a wayMar 04 23:27
psydroidnow: that system is crap, can't even browse news sites and fakebook is so slow, need a new fast computer to run my super duper dos emulator with 144 fpsMar 04 23:27
schestowitz__over time they shut off more 3rd partiesMar 04 23:27
MinceRtwitter, uh, finds a wayMar 04 23:27
schestowitz__or they will file lawsuitsMar 04 23:27
schestowitz__see the linkedin lawsuitsMar 04 23:27
schestowitz__over scrapingMar 04 23:27
psydroid10 years ago*Mar 04 23:28
Old_Manschestowitz__: perhaps they'll care about us someday and put some effort into extracting $0.02 in ad revenue from us, but in the meantime, you might want to let people know they don't have to run javascript from twitter, just to see a link someone sent you.Mar 04 23:28
schestowitz__I don't want twitter or a gateway to itMar 04 23:29
schestowitz__because we need to make twitter overMar 04 23:29
schestowitz__or obsoleteMar 04 23:29
schestowitz__it's picky who stays thereMar 04 23:29
Old_ManTechnically it was obsolete before it even started...Mar 04 23:29
danielinux 04 23:29
psydroidCrystalMath, your OS design and implementation skills are needed to make software not suck :DMar 04 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Signal Server is effectively closed source software right now - LemmyMar 04 23:29
schestowitz__more so in recent monthsMar 04 23:29
Old_ManAny medium that isn't an obvious improvement over the old Unix utilities like "talk" and "finger" are already obsolete at birth. ;)Mar 04 23:29
schestowitz__psydroid: approved by regime change maniacMar 04 23:30
CrystalMathpsydroid: i'm not alone, check out suckless.orgMar 04 23:30
schestowitz__musk who wants to attack a country to rob it off its natural resources, which he profits fromMar 04 23:30
schestowitz__techrights-bot and techrights-ipfs are sucklessMar 04 23:30
MinceRwhich country?Mar 04 23:31
cybrNautis there a WriteFreely-like markdown blogging service that supports Gemini?Mar 04 23:37
schestowitz__good questionMar 04 23:44
schestowitz__if not, we can write oneMar 04 23:44
schestowitz__gemtext is very simpleMar 04 23:44
schestowitz__so writing anything with or for it is simpleMar 04 23:44
cybrNautCrystalMath: this is the proper Amazon link (i think there was a problem with the earlier link I mentioned): 04 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm: Information and tools to facilitate ethical consumption of goods and services. - rap_sheets/ at master - liberethos_paradigm - Gitea: Git with a cup of teaMar 04 23:46
CrystalMathcybrNaut: i 100% agree with all thisMar 04 23:49
CrystalMaththe only good amazon is the riverMar 04 23:49
CrystalMath(but i don't think value in general is fixed in place)Mar 04 23:52
cybrNautpar 6.vii (The Tyranny of Convenience) is a good read if you have timeMar 04 23:57
cybrNautproblem is, the people who can't be bothered to read that Tim Wu essay are probably the ones who most need to read itMar 04 23:58

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