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| techrights-bot | Camera infected with #micosoft #ProprietarySoftware https://petapixel.com/2021/03/03/this-guy-got-a-minecraft-server-running-on-his-canon-dslr/ | Mar 04 00:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-petapixel.com | This Guy Got a Minecraft Server Running on His Canon DSLR | Mar 04 00:00 | |
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| techrights-bot | #Radeon R600 Gallium3D Flips On #OpenGL 4.5 For NIR Backend - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=R600g-NIR-Enables-OpenGL-4.5 •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | Mar 04 00:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Radeon R600 Gallium3D Flips On OpenGL 4.5 For NIR Backend - Phoronix | Mar 04 00:03 | |
| techrights-bot | #ProprietarySoftware but runs on #gnu #linux now... even new releases of distros https://www.ravepubs.com/aja-video-systems-desktop-software-v16/ | Mar 04 00:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ravepubs.com | AJA Video Systems Releases Desktop Software v16 – rAVe [PUBS] | Mar 04 00:03 | |
| techrights-bot | " #Collabora loves LibreOffice! We’re still contributing to #LibreOffice and encourage you too to do so because LibreOffice rocks." https://www.collaboraoffice.com/online/collabora-online-community-roundup-10/ | Mar 04 00:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collaboraoffice.com | Collabora Online Community Roundup #10 - Collabora Office and Collabora Online | Mar 04 00:05 | |
| techrights-bot | "Ramon Miranda was preset at virtual #Fosdem 2021 in the #KDE booth to demonstrate Krita. Here’s a timelapse of the event, with comments! If you want to know more about the free and open source software community where Krita came into existence, watch it!" https://krita.org/en/item/fosdem-2021-a-paining-timelapse-with-comments/ | Mar 04 00:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org | Fosdem 2021: A painting timelapse with comments | Krita | Mar 04 00:05 | |
| techrights-bot | #FreeSoftwareFoundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148394 •●• #GNU #TuxMachines #fsf #freesw | Mar 04 00:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Foundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston | Tux Machines | Mar 04 00:06 | |
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| schestowitz__ | MinceR: look at the face of the guy in the middle | Mar 04 00:11 |
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| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148395 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 04 00:26 | |
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| techrights-bot | The EPO's Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal #Patents on Software http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-does-not-understand-software/ #epo #corruption #swpats | Mar 04 00:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | Techrights | Mar 04 00:58 | |
| techrights-bot | Meme: #EPO Management Totally Gets 'Tehc' http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-tech/ #Europe #patent #corruption #crime | Mar 04 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meme: EPO Management Totally Gets ‘Tehc’ | Techrights | Mar 04 01:07 | |
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| techrights-bot | #FreeSoftware Calling • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ | Mar 04 01:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Calling | Techrights | Mar 04 01:39 | |
| techrights-bot | The “clusterfuck” which the EPO has become is negatively affecting not only #EPO staff but also stakeholders, who sink into depression and sometimes anger, even fury, at great expense to their health • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-does-not-understand-software/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-does-not-understand-software/ | Mar 04 01:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | Techrights | Mar 04 01:40 | |
| techrights-bot | When it comes to #patents it seems like we should take a lesson from #russia http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/04/russia-first-public-security-compulsory-license/ #twitter bans you for talking about it http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/ | Mar 04 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Russia: First "public security” compulsory license - Kluwer Patent Blog | Mar 04 01:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights | Mar 04 01:42 | |
| techrights-bot | "After we pine about the way things used to be, Mike shares why he is developing a fondness for C++." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/144402/forbidden-coder-radio-403/ #cpp #programming | Mar 04 01:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Forbidden | Coder Radio 403 | Jupiter Broadcasting | Mar 04 01:44 | |
| techrights-bot | The bestest #patent office in the whole wide world is besting the “hey hi” (AI) cutting edge; don't worry about exam and certification integrity • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-tech/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-tech/ | Mar 04 01:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meme: EPO Management Totally Gets ‘Tehc’ | Techrights | Mar 04 01:45 | |
| techrights-bot | Fewer people are willing to “put up with the shit” given by so-called #BigTech, seeing that it’s mostly about #socialcontrol rather than enablement or emancipation • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ | Mar 04 01:45 |
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| techrights-bot | Shaming people into being vaccinated (for COVID-19 I mean, not in general) won't help. In fact, it might only further reinforce the stigma that discourages trust in those vaccines to begin with. Don't call people who reject barely-tested vaccines "anti-vaxxers" (or else that label now applies to half the population). | Mar 04 01:52 |
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| superkuh | Which vaccine is barely tested? | Mar 04 02:08 |
| superkuh | The adenovirus vector ones honestly creep me out a little bit. I'd far prefer inert charged fats carrying some mRNA across my cell membranes. | Mar 04 02:08 |
| superkuh | But both are preferable to a real virus replicating within me that I have no immune exposure to. | Mar 04 02:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 | Mar 04 02:32 | |
| techrights-bot | *** 𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍 *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-03-03.txt | Mar 04 02:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.macrumors.com/2021/03/02/rosetta-macos-11-3-strings/amp/ | Mar 04 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rosetta May Be Removed From M1 Macs in Some Regions on macOS 11.3 - MacRumors | Mar 04 04:45 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom says she's considering getting the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. | Mar 04 04:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Figures that if it makes her sick for a couple days at least she won't have two call off incidents at work. | Mar 04 04:47 |
| superkuh | Intentionally? | Mar 04 04:57 |
| superkuh | Why not the better mRNA vaccines? | Mar 04 04:57 |
| vmg3 | Bots not working please rollback and reboot https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-windows-10-known-issue-rollback-auto-fixes-update-bugs/ | Mar 04 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft: Windows 10 'Known Issue Rollback' auto-fixes update bugs | Mar 04 04:57 | |
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| techrights-bot | #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, March 03, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Mar 04 05:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Mar 04 05:36 | |
| techrights-bot | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Mar 04 05:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Mar 04 05:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | [02:08] <superkuh> Which vaccine is barely tested? | Mar 04 05:37 |
| schestowitz__ | all of them, made in a matter of months | Mar 04 05:38 |
| schestowitz__ | no longterm studies | Mar 04 05:38 |
| schestowitz__ | whether it's worth a chance is another question | Mar 04 05:38 |
| schestowitz__ | some in Russia don't trust their own | Mar 04 05:38 |
| schestowitz__ | not sure about the Chinese one, as they don't report much, not objectively anyway | Mar 04 05:38 |
| techrights-bot | Promoting #snakeoil as #security is promoting no real security, just a waste of money https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-hardware-security-keys/ see http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/ | Mar 04 05:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 5 of the Best Hardware Security Keys for Two-Factor Authentication - Make Tech Easier | Mar 04 05:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights | Mar 04 05:40 | |
| techrights-bot | Arduino Blog - Avoid eyestrain with the help of the Eyesight Guardian ⇨ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/03/04/avoid-eyestrain-with-the-help-of-the-eyesight-guardian/ •●• #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/04/#latest | Mar 04 05:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Arduino Blog » Avoid eyestrain with the help of the Eyesight Guardian | Mar 04 05:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Mar 04 05:41 | |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: seems like J&J may be the only one not lying about efficacy | Mar 04 05:41 |
| techrights-bot | #techmint pushing #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware with #surveillance just to remind readers it's not serious about tech :/ | Mar 04 05:45 |
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| techrights-bot | "Google Ethics" is a paradox https://stop.zona-m.net/geedraft/ | Mar 04 05:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | What's happening with Google Ethics? | Stop at Zona-M | Mar 04 05:51 | |
| techrights-bot | #RaspberryPi lookalike offers RK3288 for $75 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148389#comment-28510 no #microsoft infestation in this one: http://techrights.org/2021/02/18/raspberry-pi-breaks-up-with-free-software-community/ | Mar 04 05:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Geniatech XPI-3288 Raspberry Pi lookalike features Rockchip RK3288 SoC | Tux Machines | Mar 04 05:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Raspberry Pi Reaffirms Its Commitment to Microsoft (as Trojan Horse Inside Classrooms) and Abandons the Free Software Community | Techrights | Mar 04 05:53 | |
| techrights-bot | "Always wanted to contribute to open-source projects but didn't know where to start?" Certainly not #ProprietarySoftware #github , #rustlang #deletegithub or it's just volunteering for #microsoft monopoly https://this-week-in-rust.org/blog/2021/03/03/this-week-in-rust-380/ | Mar 04 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-this-week-in-rust.org | This Week in Rust 380 · This Week in Rust | Mar 04 05:56 | |
| techrights-bot | LOL. "Wireless mouse-utility lacks proper authentication and opens Windows systems to attack." https://threatpost.com/unpatched-bug-in-wifi-mouse-opens-pcs-to-attack/164480/ #microsoft #windows #security #nsa #backdoors | Mar 04 06:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unpatched Bug in WiFi Mouse App Opens PCs to Attack | Threatpost | Mar 04 06:00 | |
| techrights-bot | #BananaPi BPI-M2 Pro is a compact Amlogic S905X3 SBC • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148399 no #microsoft #malware secretly inserted into this one: http://techrights.org/2021/02/18/raspberry-pi-breaks-up-with-free-software-community/ | Mar 04 06:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Banana Pi BPI-M2 Pro is a compact Amlogic S905X3 SBC | Tux Machines | Mar 04 06:03 | |
| techrights-bot | #Chrome 89 vs. #Firefox 86 Performance Benchmarks On #AMD #Ryzen + #Ubuntu Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148398 •●• | Mar 04 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome 89 vs. Firefox 86 Performance Benchmarks On AMD Ryzen + Ubuntu Linux | Tux Machines | Mar 04 06:04 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148397 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 04 06:04 | |
| techrights-bot | Moving commits between independent git histories • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148396 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #python #gentoo | Mar 04 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Moving commits between independent git histories | Tux Machines | Mar 04 06:04 | |
| psydroid | https://darkghosthunter.medium.com/the-old-pc-gaming-has-died-a4ab064e78bd | Mar 04 06:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-darkghosthunter.medium.com | The old “PC Gaming” has died. And why you should just buy a console… | by Italo Baeza Cabrera | Medium | Mar 04 06:07 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz__ "DaemonFC: seems like J&J may be "> I got her an appointment to be vaccinated at a state site on the 26th. J&J vaccine. | Mar 04 06:07 |
| psydroid | don't tell the people on ##hardware | Mar 04 06:07 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/04/spark-uwb-technology-takes-aims-at-bluetooth-with-lower-power-consumption-higher-bandwidth/ | Mar 04 06:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | SPARK UWB technology takes aims at Bluetooth with lower power consumption, higher bandwidth | Mar 04 06:10 | |
| schestowitz__ | psydroid: I have not clicked | Mar 04 06:10 |
| schestowitz__ | but it sounds dumb on the surface | Mar 04 06:11 |
| schestowitz__ | should say, you don't need a console | Mar 04 06:11 |
| schestowitz__ | use a proper computer | Mar 04 06:11 |
| schestowitz__ | generally-purpose instead | Mar 04 06:11 |
| schestowitz__ | "You don't need servers, use the clown" | Mar 04 06:11 |
| schestowitz__ | "you don't need a toilet, use public lavatories" | Mar 04 06:11 |
| schestowitz__ | "you don't need silverware, eat with you hands and rely on takeout" | Mar 04 06:12 |
| techrights-bot | #NumPy 1.20 has been released https://lwn.net/Articles/847039/ #python | Mar 04 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NumPy 1.20 has been released [LWN.net] | Mar 04 06:13 | |
| techrights-bot | #NumPy needs to #deletegithub but now that Guido van Icaza agreed to work for the criminals from Redmond it may be harder to explain to them why. #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly | Mar 04 06:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Chaekyung: typo on headline | Mar 04 06:19 |
| schestowitz__ | of yours | Mar 04 06:19 |
| schestowitz__ | missing word | Mar 04 06:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Haha | Mar 04 06:21 |
| schestowitz__ | "We can only hope the Community Consulting Teams of Boston (CCT) will point out that an organization called "Free Software Foundation" should focus on promoting free software, not cater to a tiny minority of mentally ill satanic cult members by promoting 白左 nonsense. That outcome is, sadly, not a given these days. We can't rule out that the CCT will recommend that the FSF abandons its free software roots and becomes a 白左 | Mar 04 06:21 |
| schestowitz__ | social justice organization through and through. That would probably spark some narrow short term interest and publicity, but it would be a death-sentence in the long run." | Mar 04 06:21 |
| schestowitz__ | what is 白左 ? | Mar 04 06:21 |
| techrights-bot | The #FreeSoftwareFoundation Has Into A Consulting Agreement To Improve Its Image http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148394#comment-28511 "We can't rule out that the CCT will recommend that the FSF abandons its free software roots" #fsf | Mar 04 06:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Foundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston | Tux Machines | Mar 04 06:22 | |
| techrights-bot | LWN on Kernel: 5.12 Merge, Lockless Algorithms, and opy_file_range() • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148400 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #kernel | Mar 04 06:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LWN on Kernel: 5.12 Merge, Lockless Algorithms, and opy_file_range() | Tux Machines | Mar 04 06:22 | |
| schestowitz__ | is that what happened to SFC? | Mar 04 06:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Hiring professional trolls? | Mar 04 06:23 |
| schestowitz__ | and basically alienating many who have long cared about SF? | Mar 04 06:23 |
| schestowitz__ | [04:47] <DaemonFC[m]> Mom says she's considering getting the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. | Mar 04 06:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Same with my dad, tell her she's not insane :-) | Mar 04 06:24 |
| schestowitz__ | It encourages the body to develop its own immune response | Mar 04 06:24 |
| psydroid | he draws some strange conclusions, but I think the main point about x86 CPU + discrete GPU becoming a niche option for gaming rings true. The economics seem broken, as only those with deep pockets can afford it anymore | Mar 04 06:26 |
| psydroid | I would just go with an affordable ARM/RISC-V option with integrated graphics running free software for most purposes and not a black box such as a console or tablet | Mar 04 06:26 |
| mjg59 | *All* vaccines encourage the body to develop its own immune response | Mar 04 06:27 |
| mjg59 | That's kind of the point | Mar 04 06:27 |
| schestowitz__ | the question is how | Mar 04 06:29 |
| schestowitz__ | psydroid: some of the consoles are just subsidised DRM | Mar 04 06:29 |
| schestowitz__ | and learn a lesson from PS3 | Mar 04 06:29 |
| schestowitz__ | one moment they tell you to use gnu/linux on it | Mar 04 06:30 |
| schestowitz__ | then they ban it | Mar 04 06:30 |
| schestowitz__ | so you don't even own your own [sic] machine | Mar 04 06:30 |
| psydroid | yes, that's a risk I've never been willing to take | Mar 04 06:31 |
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| psydroid | or more like foolish decision to make | Mar 04 06:32 |
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| Chaekyung | schestowitz__: 白左 losely translates to "white left" | Mar 04 06:47 |
| Chaekyung | there is, oddly, a wikipedia article about it in English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo | Mar 04 06:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Baizuo - Wikipedia | Mar 04 06:49 | |
| schestowitz__ | can you read my article? | Mar 04 06:49 |
| schestowitz__ | it cites yours | Mar 04 06:49 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ | Mar 04 06:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights | Mar 04 06:50 | |
| schestowitz__ | there may be typos | Mar 04 06:50 |
| Chaekyung | >that this may be good news because might “recommend that the FSF abandons its free software roots” | Mar 04 06:51 |
| Chaekyung | ? | Mar 04 06:52 |
| Chaekyung | this may not be good news? | Mar 04 06:52 |
| Chaekyung | not sure I meant to imply that's good news | Mar 04 06:52 |
| schestowitz__ | wrong sentence | Mar 04 06:52 |
| schestowitz__ | will correct | Mar 04 06:52 |
| mjg59 | "Alex Olive" | Mar 04 06:52 |
| Chaekyung | that's a pretty spot on article | Mar 04 06:54 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz__: You realise that the "mentally ill satanic cult members" assertion links to an article discussing a trans woman? | Mar 04 06:56 |
| mjg59 | I'm not sure why you keep linking to transphobic content | Mar 04 06:57 |
| schestowitz__ | there is no "transphobic content" | Mar 04 06:58 |
| schestowitz__ | Calling out some of the trolling left, like self-described "SJW, is not "transphobic content" | Mar 04 06:58 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz__: An article that refers to a trans woman as his/"her" is transphobic | Mar 04 06:59 |
| schestowitz__ | not my words | Mar 04 06:59 |
| schestowitz__ | you can nitpick on others' pieces | Mar 04 06:59 |
| mjg59 | So you linked to transphobic content | Mar 04 06:59 |
| mjg59 | Like I said | Mar 04 06:59 |
| schestowitz__ | you love holding me accountable for what OTHER people say | Mar 04 06:59 |
| schestowitz__ | I always don't agree with PARTS of things I link to | Mar 04 07:00 |
| schestowitz__ | people aren't thinking identicallty | Mar 04 07:00 |
| schestowitz__ | NOR SHOULD THEY | Mar 04 07:00 |
| mjg59 | What are you disagreeing with here? | Mar 04 07:00 |
| mjg59 | You linked to transphobic content | Mar 04 07:01 |
| schestowitz__ | you are right, we should just "Cancel" everyone we partly disagree with | Mar 04 07:01 |
| schestowitz__ | and not link to them | Mar 04 07:01 |
| mjg59 | If you're fine doing that, well, sure | Mar 04 07:01 |
| schestowitz__ | also we should torture them | Mar 04 07:01 |
| schestowitz__ | and burn them | Mar 04 07:01 |
| mjg59 | But you're alienating a bunch of the free software community in the process | Mar 04 07:01 |
| schestowitz__ | By that logic, linking to BBC is promoting pedophilia | Mar 04 07:01 |
| schestowitz__ | for many reasons | Mar 04 07:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Savile, Gates funding (enabler of Jeff Epstein) | Mar 04 07:02 |
| schestowitz__ | so by linking to BBC you hurt child rape victims | Mar 04 07:02 |
| schestowitz__ | stop linking to BBS, mjg59 | Mar 04 07:02 |
| schestowitz__ | *BBC | Mar 04 07:02 |
| mjg59 | Getting into whataboutism again | Mar 04 07:02 |
| techrights-bot | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ | Mar 04 07:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights | Mar 04 07:03 | |
| schestowitz__ | now you do link-policing | Mar 04 07:03 |
| mjg59 | You didn't merely link to it | Mar 04 07:03 |
| mjg59 | You quoted it | Mar 04 07:03 |
| schestowitz__ | like claiming that because one of hundreds of clients of the company I work for is London Town Hall makes me guilty of something done by police of the mayor from 5 years ago | Mar 04 07:04 |
| schestowitz__ | (Who is now our Pry Minister | Mar 04 07:04 |
| mjg59 | Oh, come on now Roy | Mar 04 07:04 |
| mjg59 | You now I didn't say that | Mar 04 07:04 |
| schestowitz__ | I didn't quote the "harder" parts | Mar 04 07:04 |
| schestowitz__ | I quoted the part about mission change/creep | Mar 04 07:04 |
| schestowitz__ | which is likely spot on (that particular part) | Mar 04 07:05 |
| schestowitz__ | you don't do consulting without plan to act on it | Mar 04 07:05 |
| mjg59 | You quoted the bit that says " mentally ill satanic cult members " | Mar 04 07:05 |
| schestowitz__ | i.e. to change course | Mar 04 07:05 |
| schestowitz__ | no, I did not | Mar 04 07:05 |
| schestowitz__ | you clicked on a link | Mar 04 07:05 |
| mjg59 | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148394#comment-28511 | Mar 04 07:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Foundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston | Tux Machines | Mar 04 07:05 | |
| schestowitz__ | and then read something I did not quote | Mar 04 07:05 |
| schestowitz__ | that's TuxMachines | Mar 04 07:05 |
| mjg59 | "Submitted by Roy Schestowitz" | Mar 04 07:05 |
| schestowitz__ | written by Chaekyung | Mar 04 07:05 |
| mjg59 | Sorry, didn't realise there were two of you | Mar 04 07:06 |
| schestowitz__ | take it with him, not me | Mar 04 07:06 |
| mjg59 | So you did quote it? | Mar 04 07:06 |
| schestowitz__ | for parts of it | Mar 04 07:06 |
| schestowitz__ | not the "Satanic" part | Mar 04 07:06 |
| schestowitz__ | which I find absurd | Mar 04 07:06 |
| schestowitz__ | as I fail to see the connection | Mar 04 07:06 |
| mjg59 | Roy | Mar 04 07:06 |
| mjg59 | You literally quoted it | Mar 04 07:06 |
| mjg59 | The word "satanic" is in what you quoted | Mar 04 07:06 |
| schestowitz__ | except that crazy "Ethical" licence person who literally did satanic BS ritual | Mar 04 07:06 |
| mjg59 | So when I said you quoted it and you said you didn't, were you mistaken? | Mar 04 07:07 |
| schestowitz__ | like I said, you try to hold me accountable by taking bits of text I did not write, in a comment on a site with about 50 entries per day | Mar 04 07:07 |
| mjg59 | So when I said you quoted it and you said you didn't, were you mistaken? | Mar 04 07:07 |
| schestowitz__ | good day, you waste my time now | Mar 04 07:07 |
| schestowitz__ | bye | Mar 04 07:07 |
| techrights-bot | #gnome risks becoming dependent more and more on prisoner of #microsoft https://blogs.gnome.org/chergert/2021/03/04/rust-and-gnome-builder/ #rustlang #deletegithub | Mar 04 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Rust and GNOME Builder – Zen and the Art of GNOME | Mar 04 07:11 | |
| techrights-bot | It might shock some in the fake left that not everyone in the world agrees with everything they say. And if they truly accept cultural differences, they will settle on some grounds. Also, that fake left doesn't want to mention what Islam thinks of gays etc. as that's "not convenient..." | Mar 04 07:13 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, Christianity is notable for being just fine with homosexuality | Mar 04 07:15 |
| techrights-bot | #Google launches #Flutter 2.0 to target developers across all platforms | VentureBeat ⇨ https://venturebeat.com/2021/03/03/google-launches-flutter-2-0-to-target-developers-across-all-platforms/ •●• #venturebeat | Mar 04 07:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google launches Flutter 2.0 to target developers across all platforms | VentureBeat | Mar 04 07:15 | |
| techrights-bot | #python should also #deletegithub as it's a vastly greater #security risk https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/02/python_pypi_purges/ #NSA #microsoft http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/ | Mar 04 07:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Python Package Index nukes 3,653 malicious libraries uploaded soon after security shortcoming highlighted • The Register | Mar 04 07:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHub is Microsoft’s Proprietary Software and Centralised (Monopoly) Platform, But When Canonical’s Account There Gets Compromised Suddenly It’s Ubuntu’s Fault? | Techrights | Mar 04 07:17 | |
| schestowitz__ | mjg59: name a christian nation that stones gays | Mar 04 07:17 |
| schestowitz__ | go on... | Mar 04 07:17 |
| mjg59 | Oh, so it's ok to persecute people for their sexuality as long as you don't literally kill them? | Mar 04 07:22 |
| mjg59 | Or is that also bad? | Mar 04 07:23 |
| techrights-bot | "Futter 2.0 to target developers across all platforms..." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148392#comment-28512 if you put years of your life into #programming (IMHO) don't put the eggs in #google basket. See how they treat people who contribute 100% of the "content" to #youtube (to 'monetise' it) | Mar 04 07:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 04 07:23 | |
| schestowitz__ | mjg59: I'm pleased to see your public activism against religion | Mar 04 07:24 |
| schestowitz__ | *or not) | Mar 04 07:24 |
| mjg59 | I'm just curious why you picked Islam exclusively here | Mar 04 07:25 |
| mjg59 | Most primarily-Islamic states don't have capital punishment for homosexuality | Mar 04 07:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 | Techrights | Mar 04 08:31 | |
| schestowitz__ | mjg59: they are the most radical in that regard | Mar 04 08:33 |
| schestowitz__ | and your position is, | Mar 04 08:33 |
| schestowitz__ | religion is intolerant | Mar 04 08:34 |
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| schestowitz__ | but it's intolerant to criticise religion | Mar 04 08:34 |
| schestowitz__ | so I will focus on bashing freesw activists instead | Mar 04 08:34 |
| techrights-bot | 4 Best #FreeSw Graphical MPD Clients • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148401 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4 Best Free and Open Source Graphical MPD Clients | Tux Machines | Mar 04 08:35 | |
| techrights-bot | #Canonical Chooses Google’s #Flutter UI SDK to Build Future Ubuntu Apps • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148403 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Chooses Google’s Flutter UI SDK to Build Future Ubuntu Apps | Tux Machines | Mar 04 08:35 | |
| techrights-bot | #Python : Security and #NumPy 1.20 Release • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148402 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Python: Security and NumPy 1.20 Release | Tux Machines | Mar 04 08:35 | |
| techrights-bot | Dr. Richard Stallman is missed by many who perceive him to have been wrongly treated; putting Stallman back in the Board (at the very least) would help the image of the Free Software Foundation • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ | Mar 04 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights | Mar 04 08:36 | |
| techrights-bot | #EPO catastrophe: "Why could they not have sent a systemwide message telling us to refresh?" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1614844732388#c7868956827476841941 but the bigger issues overlooked: http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-does-not-understand-software/ | Mar 04 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat | Mar 04 08:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | Techrights | Mar 04 08:38 | |
| mjg59 | schestowitz__: I think the relevant question is how many states are theocracies, not which religion they follow | Mar 04 08:40 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz__: Traditional interpretations of Christianity are absolutely as hostile to homosexuality as Islamic theocracies - the difference is that there are currently no Christian theocracies | Mar 04 08:42 |
| mjg59 | (Well, other than the Vatican, but that's kind of a special case) | Mar 04 08:42 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Joinup #OpenScience ☞ More collaboration and clarity in Open Science, the study says https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/open-source-french-research-and-higher-education | Mar 04 08:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Open Source in French research and higher education | Joinup | Mar 04 08:42 | |
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| schestowitz__ | mjg59: I appreciate your frankness | Mar 04 08:43 |
| schestowitz__ | it's not an easy subject | Mar 04 08:43 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz__: It's certainly not hard to find leaders of Christian churches advocating for the execution of homosexuals. If that style of Christianity were to become more empowered, we'd see the same elsewhere. | Mar 04 08:43 |
| schestowitz__ | they follow their books | Mar 04 08:44 |
| schestowitz__ | they're the real followers | Mar 04 08:44 |
| mjg59 | Like the Old Testament | Mar 04 08:44 |
| mjg59 | There are Islamic theocracies right now. In the past there have been Christian theocracies. Theocracies tend to do terrible things to minorities. | Mar 04 08:45 |
| mjg59 | Is the problem Islam, or is it theocracies? | Mar 04 08:45 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TavisOrmandy #Programming ☞ Lotus 1-2-3 https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/lotus123.html | Mar 04 08:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lock.cmpxchg8b.com | Lotus 1-2-3 | Mar 04 08:46 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #ITWire #Standards ☞ How beers and Vikings gave Bluetooth technology its name https://www.itwire.com/security/eset-says-more-threat-groups-using-microsoft-zero-days-in-attacks.html | Mar 04 08:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - ESET says more threat groups using Microsoft zero-days in attacks | Mar 04 08:47 | |
| schestowitz__ | mjg59: books that inspire and glorify violence | Mar 04 08:48 |
| schestowitz__ | don't ban them | Mar 04 08:48 |
| schestowitz__ | keep them for historical purposes | Mar 04 08:48 |
| schestowitz__ | introduce people to better and less barbaric literature | Mar 04 08:49 |
| schestowitz__ | we don't want kids raised on books that celebrate mass-murdering the "others" | Mar 04 08:49 |
| schestowitz__ | Dr. Seuss is not the real issue | Mar 04 08:49 |
| schestowitz__ | start with brutal crap and fiction | Mar 04 08:50 |
| schestowitz__ | but due to the political power of religions, nobody dares | Mar 04 08:50 |
| schestowitz__ | https://wgntv.com/news/dr-seuss-books-going-for-exorbitant-prices-on-amazon/ | Mar 04 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Dr. Seuss books going for exorbitant prices on Amazon | WGN-TV | Mar 04 08:50 | |
| schestowitz__ | instead people go after books authors for not properly gender-balancing and whatever (too many males etc.) | Mar 04 08:51 |
| schestowitz__ | start with the profound issues | Mar 04 08:51 |
| schestowitz__ | or else your activism will be viewed by many as shallow, farcical, a distraction from vastly bigger issues | Mar 04 08:51 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/ | Mar 04 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Let’s Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away People’s Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb ‘in Peace’) | Techrights | Mar 04 08:52 | |
| techrights-bot | No, Linux Mint is Not Going to Force Updates Like Windows • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148404 #betanews troll Brian Fagioli intentionally spreading lies to get clicks and push #microsoft ads | Mar 04 08:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | No, Linux Mint is Not Going to Force Updates Like Windows | Tux Machines | Mar 04 08:54 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #KenShirriff #Hardware ☞ #Germanium transistors: logic circuits in the #IBM 1401 computer http://www.righto.com/2021/03/germanium-transistors-logic-circuits-in.html | Mar 04 08:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.righto.com | Germanium transistors: logic circuits in the IBM 1401 computer | Mar 04 08:54 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #NBC #Health ☞ #Kentucky mom alleges hospital workers missed her cancer — then covered up their mistake https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kentucky-mom-alleges-hospital-workers-missed-her-cancer-then-covered-n1258533 | Mar 04 08:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Kentucky mom alleges hospital workers missed her cancer — then covered up their mistake | Mar 04 08:55 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #NewYorkTimes #au ☞ Without Backpackers to Pick Them, Crops Rot by the Ton in #Australia https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/world/australia/agriculture-backpackers.html | Mar 04 08:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Without Backpackers to Pick Them, Crops Rot by the Ton in Australia - The New York Times | Mar 04 08:55 | |
| schestowitz__ | vmg3: ^^^^^^^ | Mar 04 08:56 |
| schestowitz__ | Barry of Puppy Linux / EasyOS has been doing tons of posts about backpacking and hiking lately | Mar 04 08:56 |
| schestowitz__ | seems like a good escape plan from current time | Mar 04 08:56 |
| schestowitz__ | lots of people broke, unemployment crisis, homelessness | Mar 04 08:56 |
| schestowitz__ | though I didn't see homeless yesterday in Manchester | Mar 04 08:57 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe "suddenly" our government has the will/money to clothe and house them? | Mar 04 08:57 |
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| Digit | gah. i got really uplifted when i misread http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ like s/The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board/The Free Software Foundation Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board/. back down to reality with a bump when i see my eyes had wishfully ommitted the "should". | Mar 04 08:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights | Mar 04 08:58 | |
| vmg3 | they only want to pay 3.50 an hour an agency makes all the money | Mar 04 08:59 |
| schestowitz__ | Digit: we have said this for over a year now | Mar 04 09:00 |
| vmg3 | no real accommodation 10 to a room | Mar 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz__ | fell on deaf ears | Mar 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz__ | what?! | Mar 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz__ | 3.5 aud per hour?! | Mar 04 09:00 |
| vmg3 | yeah | Mar 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz__ | wth | Mar 04 09:00 |
| vmg3 | shit its slave labour | Mar 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz__ | what's it good for? A bag of rice? | Mar 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz__ | beggar nation? | Mar 04 09:00 |
| vmg3 | and the abuse is shocking | Mar 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz__ | sad... thought au was better | Mar 04 09:01 |
| vmg3 | if they paid a minimum wage they would get heaps of workers | Mar 04 09:01 |
| schestowitz__ | yet food is super expensive | Mar 04 09:01 |
| vmg3 | yes | Mar 04 09:01 |
| schestowitz__ | I can imagine the profit margins | Mar 04 09:01 |
| Digit | schestowitz__: yeah, kinda why my brain wishfully decided that musta been a new different message than "should". | Mar 04 09:01 |
| vmg3 | and automation is part of the process | Mar 04 09:01 |
| schestowitz__ | for coal mining and metals also? | Mar 04 09:01 |
| schestowitz__ | does au even have coal? | Mar 04 09:01 |
| vmg3 | yes heaps of the clean coal meep | Mar 04 09:02 |
| schestowitz__ | mad coal max | Mar 04 09:02 |
| vmg3 | crazy unless someone is being exploited they dont want to employ | Mar 04 09:02 |
| vmg3 | some groups got together to go to the farms and they didn't want them | Mar 04 09:03 |
| vmg3 | only want temp visa | Mar 04 09:03 |
| techrights-bot | #IPFire Linux Firewall Distro Now Offers WPA3 Client Support, Faster DNS Resolution • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148405 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Security | Mar 04 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IPFire Linux Firewall Distro Now Offers WPA3 Client Support, Faster DNS Resolution | Tux Machines | Mar 04 09:03 | |
| vmg3 | we should be shamed not felt sorry for | Mar 04 09:04 |
| schestowitz__ | afaik, correct me if wronged, aussie has natural resources magnates | Mar 04 09:04 |
| schestowitz__ | and then a bunch of "lads" to do the actual work | Mar 04 09:04 |
| schestowitz__ | so au is a "rich" nation.. for the some in large properties in Sydney | Mar 04 09:04 |
| schestowitz__ | for the rest a a shack near the beach to surf and moan | Mar 04 09:04 |
| vmg3 | yeah we have guys like twiggy forest making millions a day from iron oar | Mar 04 09:04 |
| schestowitz__ | I was gonna mention oar | Mar 04 09:05 |
| schestowitz__ | it might run out if they don't literally blow some shit up | Mar 04 09:05 |
| vmg3 | they throw money at the rich | Mar 04 09:05 |
| schestowitz__ | a friend of mine moved to australia | Mar 04 09:05 |
| schestowitz__ | didn't like it, came back to wales | Mar 04 09:05 |
| schestowitz__ | changed careers, too | Mar 04 09:05 |
| schestowitz__ | thought it was all sun and fun (ans surfing) | Mar 04 09:05 |
| vmg3 | highly skilled to? | Mar 04 09:05 |
| schestowitz__ | you can also surf in wales btw | Mar 04 09:05 |
| vmg3 | they are in demand | Mar 04 09:06 |
| schestowitz__ | vmg3: after his phd | Mar 04 09:06 |
| vmg3 | but dont want to pay | Mar 04 09:06 |
| vmg3 | unless you know someone | Mar 04 09:06 |
| schestowitz__ | worked in a uni whose name I forgot. for 2 years. | Mar 04 09:06 |
| schestowitz__ | hated the place | Mar 04 09:06 |
| schestowitz__ | and the culture | Mar 04 09:06 |
| vmg3 | sad | Mar 04 09:06 |
| vmg3 | some places are great | Mar 04 09:06 |
| schestowitz__ | probably pricey | Mar 04 09:06 |
| schestowitz__ | same here | Mar 04 09:06 |
| schestowitz__ | manchester is OK | Mar 04 09:07 |
| vmg3 | you need to have connections | Mar 04 09:07 |
| schestowitz__ | not too expensive, not too bad | Mar 04 09:07 |
| *Digit wonders if welsh gremlins are good for surfing around | Mar 04 09:07 | |
| schestowitz__ | in winter you need wet suits | Mar 04 09:07 |
| vmg3 | I wish i could surf | Mar 04 09:07 |
| schestowitz__ | in summer it's ok without | Mar 04 09:07 |
| vmg3 | not in qld and nt or wa all year they have a wet season in summer | Mar 04 09:07 |
| schestowitz__ | it's good exercise | Mar 04 09:07 |
| schestowitz__ | all-body workout | Mar 04 09:07 |
| vmg3 | if your hopeless like me you just get tit rash | Mar 04 09:08 |
| schestowitz__ | qld queensland? | Mar 04 09:08 |
| vmg3 | yes | Mar 04 09:08 |
| schestowitz__ | wa ewest au | Mar 04 09:08 |
| Digit | https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=9/53.1286/-4.4797 (anglesey looks like a gremlin, i point out in case that was not understood from "welsh gremlins"^). | Mar 04 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openstreetmap.org | OpenStreetMap | Mar 04 09:08 | |
| schestowitz__ | n terr? | Mar 04 09:08 |
| schestowitz__ | like in canada? | Mar 04 09:08 |
| vmg3 | yeah and northern territory | Mar 04 09:08 |
| schestowitz__ | haha | Mar 04 09:08 |
| schestowitz__ | not inhabitable in canada | Mar 04 09:08 |
| vmg3 | lifes what you make it still rivers and bush | Mar 04 09:09 |
| vmg3 | plenty to see and do | Mar 04 09:09 |
| vmg3 | its nice to make a quid as well | Mar 04 09:09 |
| schestowitz__ | with "Smart" 'Phine' | Mar 04 09:09 |
| schestowitz__ | *Phone | Mar 04 09:09 |
| schestowitz__ | "wonder how many likes I can get..." | Mar 04 09:10 |
| schestowitz__ | "this place sucks, I got only one like" | Mar 04 09:10 |
| vmg3 | I wonder how open maps is doing in India | Mar 04 09:10 |
| schestowitz__ | "let's go abuse some homeless people and go viral" | Mar 04 09:10 |
| schestowitz__ | india has crazy laws and autocracy | Mar 04 09:10 |
| vmg3 | brexit is one of the few things that makes me feel good about Au | Mar 04 09:10 |
| schestowitz__ | some corporations love it | Mar 04 09:10 |
| vmg3 | cheap labour | Mar 04 09:11 |
| schestowitz__ | [23:07] <techrights-bot> #india still being run by corrupt idiots and foreign charlatans including #billgates ... and it shows https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/02/freedom-to-map-depends-on-who-delivers-it/ | Mar 04 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Freedom to map depends on WHO delivers it | Stop at Zona-M | Mar 04 09:11 | |
| vmg3 | thats all | Mar 04 09:11 |
| vmg3 | I bought a pair of US jeans and they are made in india | Mar 04 09:11 |
| schestowitz__ | brexit and worse in europe on covid19 response | Mar 04 09:11 |
| vmg3 | won't fall for that again | Mar 04 09:11 |
| schestowitz__ | brexit sealed just 2.5 months before lockdown | Mar 04 09:11 |
| vmg3 | higher density | Mar 04 09:12 |
| schestowitz__ | not bangladesh? | Mar 04 09:12 |
| vmg3 | yeah | Mar 04 09:12 |
| schestowitz__ | india-made = top stuff! | Mar 04 09:12 |
| schestowitz__ | you even 'over'pay the workers | Mar 04 09:12 |
| vmg3 | i like their retro motorcycles | Mar 04 09:12 |
| schestowitz__ | when 'Murica was "great" | Mar 04 09:12 |
| vmg3 | that was a while ago now | Mar 04 09:13 |
| schestowitz__ | HellsAngers4Trump | Mar 04 09:13 |
| schestowitz__ | *Angels | Mar 04 09:13 |
| vmg3 | Sturgis was a superspreader | Mar 04 09:13 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Big Tech firms see tax windfall after Supreme Court ruling on #Microsoft https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/big-tech-firms-see-tax-windfall-after-supreme-court-ruling-on-microsoft/81322832 | Mar 04 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Microsoft: Big Tech firms see tax windfall after Supreme Court ruling on Microsoft, IT News, ET CIO | Mar 04 09:14 | |
| vmg3 | rested on their laurels | Mar 04 09:14 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #ThreatPost #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Post-Cyberattack, Universal Health Services Faces $67M in Losses https://threatpost.com/post-cyberattack-universal-health-services-faces-67m-in-losses/164424/ | Mar 04 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Post-Cyberattack, Universal Health Services Faces $67M in Losses | Threatpost | Mar 04 09:14 | |
| vmg3 | I always think of American Dad song "The American Race" | Mar 04 09:15 |
| vmg3 | clowns | Mar 04 09:15 |
| vmg3 | i do enjoy seth farlan | Mar 04 09:15 |
| vmg3 | inalienable rights | Mar 04 09:16 |
| schestowitz__ | The American Race is immigrants from the far east | Mar 04 09:16 |
| schestowitz__ | before Europeans flocked in | Mar 04 09:16 |
| vmg3 | and mexicans | Mar 04 09:16 |
| schestowitz__ | how they crossed over? I think through northern Russia | Mar 04 09:16 |
| vmg3 | cubans | Mar 04 09:16 |
| schestowitz__ | during winter | Mar 04 09:16 |
| schestowitz__ | or with canoes... need to read up on it | Mar 04 09:17 |
| vmg3 | I love watching them in Asia | Mar 04 09:17 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe in the future US will be far eat | Mar 04 09:17 |
| vmg3 | cry racist | Mar 04 09:17 |
| schestowitz__ | *east | Mar 04 09:17 |
| schestowitz__ | China will calibrate the world's map | Mar 04 09:17 |
| schestowitz__ | benjing at the center | Mar 04 09:17 |
| schestowitz__ | US far east | Mar 04 09:18 |
| vmg3 | thats what xi said | Mar 04 09:18 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe europe will be "the west", literally | Mar 04 09:18 |
| schestowitz__ | vmg3: xi did, xi did | Mar 04 09:18 |
| vmg3 | i saw today or yesterday him call the US a threat | Mar 04 09:18 |
| schestowitz__ | to china it is | Mar 04 09:19 |
| vmg3 | cracked me up | Mar 04 09:19 |
| schestowitz__ | and for a while not | Mar 04 09:19 |
| schestowitz__ | *now | Mar 04 09:19 |
| schestowitz__ | the British also | Mar 04 09:19 |
| vmg3 | they will work it out | Mar 04 09:19 |
| schestowitz__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Opium_War | Mar 04 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Second Opium War - Wikipedia | Mar 04 09:19 | |
| vmg3 | supply line is to long for em, their planes are corroding in guam | Mar 04 09:19 |
| schestowitz__ | waste of human resources | Mar 04 09:20 |
| schestowitz__ | ruined another island | Mar 04 09:20 |
| schestowitz__ | for nukes and boats and air drills | Mar 04 09:20 |
| vmg3 | yeah this could get a bit political | Mar 04 09:20 |
| schestowitz__ | they could instead grow crops | Mar 04 09:20 |
| schestowitz__ | or rewilder the place with plants | Mar 04 09:20 |
| *jess (jess@freenode/staff/jess) has joined #techrights | Mar 04 09:20 | |
| schestowitz__ | i wonder if Australia can be brought back to the days before it was burned dry | Mar 04 09:21 |
| vmg3 | military is a behemoth | Mar 04 09:21 |
| schestowitz__ | they always talk about MARS | Mar 04 09:21 |
| schestowitz__ | all aboyt MARS | Mar 04 09:21 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe we can make MARS inhabitable | Mar 04 09:21 |
| vmg3 | trouble is they think they own space too | Mar 04 09:21 |
| schestowitz__ | yeah, let's fire up 100 ton rockets with equipment on them | Mar 04 09:21 |
| schestowitz__ | to terraform MARS | Mar 04 09:21 |
| schestowitz__ | not Australia | Mar 04 09:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Not Sahara | Mar 04 09:21 |
| schestowitz__ | MARS | Mar 04 09:21 |
| schestowitz__ | because there's lots of money in it | Mar 04 09:22 |
| vmg3 | we give em money | Mar 04 09:22 |
| schestowitz__ | ask "pedo guy" Elon | Mar 04 09:22 |
| vmg3 | so we can get likes | Mar 04 09:22 |
| schestowitz__ | "like" NASA | Mar 04 09:22 |
| schestowitz__ | "like" our "Facebook page" | Mar 04 09:22 |
| schestowitz__ | help Mark Z sell ads | Mar 04 09:22 |
| vmg3 | he loves his followers | Mar 04 09:22 |
| schestowitz__ | he follows back | Mar 04 09:23 |
| schestowitz__ | billions | Mar 04 09:23 |
| vmg3 | uses them to manipulate markets | Mar 04 09:23 |
| schestowitz__ | follows to the verge of stalking | Mar 04 09:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 billion counts of stalking | Mar 04 09:23 |
| schestowitz__ | "I hereby sentence you to prison for a trillion years!' | Mar 04 09:23 |
| vmg3 | really I never paid much attention | Mar 04 09:23 |
| schestowitz__ | oh, you meant Mask cult | Mar 04 09:23 |
| schestowitz__ | I thought Zuck | Mar 04 09:24 |
| schestowitz__ | your deputy Prime Minister Zuck | Mar 04 09:24 |
| schestowitz__ | "Advisor" at least | Mar 04 09:24 |
| vmg3 | once they get a few billion they turn into twats | Mar 04 09:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Advisor to Rupe | Mar 04 09:24 |
| vmg3 | yep they are all mates | Mar 04 09:24 |
| schestowitz__ | vmg3: they hang out with them | Mar 04 09:24 |
| schestowitz__ | other "twats" | Mar 04 09:24 |
| schestowitz__ | so it makes them feel "normal" | Mar 04 09:24 |
| schestowitz__ | like billie G hanging out with Epstein | Mar 04 09:25 |
| vmg3 | they devise other ways to bend over the little people | Mar 04 09:25 |
| schestowitz__ | offering him to whiten his rep after trafficking thousands of underage girls for screwing | Mar 04 09:25 |
| schestowitz__ | but that's normal to them | Mar 04 09:25 |
| schestowitz__ | "we're in the same class/club" | Mar 04 09:25 |
| vmg3 | the younger the better | Mar 04 09:25 |
| schestowitz__ | "the plebs are just jealous of us" | Mar 04 09:25 |
| schestowitz__ | "everyone is guilty of something" | Mar 04 09:25 |
| vmg3 | yeah | Mar 04 09:25 |
| schestowitz__ | it's an echo chamber | Mar 04 09:26 |
| schestowitz__ | they only meet "plebs" for photo ops | Mar 04 09:26 |
| schestowitz__ | for as long as it takes, maybe 60 seconds | Mar 04 09:26 |
| schestowitz__ | someone prepares them for the photo ops | Mar 04 09:26 |
| schestowitz__ | to save them time | Mar 04 09:26 |
| vmg3 | I don't mind people having money but you think there would be a point where they say, "I've got enough now" | Mar 04 09:26 |
| schestowitz__ | "here, bill, we have this black pleb ready for you to do a photo with" | Mar 04 09:26 |
| schestowitz__ | "we've meanwhile contacted all the local papers" | Mar 04 09:27 |
| vmg3 | we bought em | Mar 04 09:27 |
| schestowitz__ | that too | Mar 04 09:27 |
| schestowitz__ | they bribe them | Mar 04 09:27 |
| schestowitz__ | in africa also | Mar 04 09:27 |
| schestowitz__ | sites like AllAfrica | Mar 04 09:27 |
| schestowitz__ | bought by Gates | Mar 04 09:27 |
| schestowitz__ | other oligarchs do the same | Mar 04 09:27 |
| schestowitz__ | but lower profile oligarchs | Mar 04 09:27 |
| vmg3 | power kick | Mar 04 09:27 |
| schestowitz__ | [09:26] <vmg3> I don't mind people having money but you think there would be a point where they say, "I've got enough now" | Mar 04 09:28 |
| vmg3 | thats all it is | Mar 04 09:28 |
| schestowitz__ | that's NOT how the "CLUB" works | Mar 04 09:28 |
| schestowitz__ | the club does not value generosity | Mar 04 09:28 |
| schestowitz__ | it looks up your Forbes "rank" | Mar 04 09:28 |
| schestowitz__ | How good a person you are | Mar 04 09:28 |
| schestowitz__ | how much money you "amassed"D | Mar 04 09:28 |
| schestowitz__ | to "create jobs" | Mar 04 09:28 |
| schestowitz__ | "patriotism" | Mar 04 09:28 |
| vmg3 | I don't know | Mar 04 09:29 |
| schestowitz__ | it's a sickness | Mar 04 09:29 |
| schestowitz__ | and media won't call it that | Mar 04 09:29 |
| vmg3 | I'm happiest when I have the least just good health | Mar 04 09:29 |
| schestowitz__ | it talks of "Internet addiction" | Mar 04 09:29 |
| schestowitz__ | not "money addiction" | Mar 04 09:29 |
| schestowitz__ | because that media is part of that addiction | Mar 04 09:29 |
| schestowitz__ | vmg3: some of them don't even have that... see Steve Jobs | Mar 04 09:29 |
| vmg3 | I've had my periods where I get too much screen time | Mar 04 09:30 |
| vmg3 | cancer will do that | Mar 04 09:30 |
| vmg3 | took my old man then the whole family fell apart | Mar 04 09:30 |
| vmg3 | he was the glue | Mar 04 09:31 |
| vmg3 | all good now | Mar 04 09:31 |
| schestowitz__ | common situation | Mar 04 09:31 |
| vmg3 | yeah i guess | Mar 04 09:31 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #RogerPiquerasJover ☞ Leveraging digital certificates to protect commercial 5G mobile networks https://softhandover.wordpress.com/2021/03/02/leveraging-digital-certificates-to-protect-commercial-5g-mobile-networks/ | Mar 04 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-softhandover.wordpress.com | Leveraging digital certificates to protect commercial 5G mobile networks | Soft Handover | Mar 04 09:32 | |
| vmg3 | I've loaded an pi fresh today still setting it up want to try ipfs and see what the merkel can do | Mar 04 09:32 |
| vmg3 | orange pi | Mar 04 09:32 |
| vmg3 | still trying to work it out | Mar 04 09:33 |
| vmg3 | seriously need some more hd space | Mar 04 09:34 |
| vmg3 | my main box is getting cramped | Mar 04 09:34 |
| techrights-bot | I'm more than sure that #BokoHaram checks what Michelle Obama says and looks up #twitter hashtags. Terrorists will do what #socialcontrolmedia time wasters tell them... just need more "LIKES" for the cause. | Mar 04 09:34 |
| schestowitz__ | vmg3: I could use your help | Mar 04 09:35 |
| vmg3 | mine? lol | Mar 04 09:35 |
| schestowitz__ | one who pins our CIDs is offline for migration to opebsd | Mar 04 09:35 |
| vmg3 | your in a world of hurt | Mar 04 09:35 |
| schestowitz__ | and so sometimes we're the only one who have a CID | Mar 04 09:35 |
| schestowitz__ | and if I turn mine off it becomes inaccessible | Mar 04 09:35 |
| vmg3 | ok im up for a challenge | Mar 04 09:36 |
| vmg3 | you will need to be patient | Mar 04 09:36 |
| schestowitz__ | btw, it's merkle | Mar 04 09:36 |
| schestowitz__ | not angela merkel | Mar 04 09:36 |
| vmg3 | there was a jpg with her standing next to a christmas tree | Mar 04 09:37 |
| vmg3 | on a site i was checking out | Mar 04 09:37 |
| vmg3 | the only reason i remembered it | Mar 04 09:37 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #DeutscheWelle #Environment ☞ Killings of human rights defenders 'go largely unnoticed by outside world' https://www.dw.com/en/killings-of-human-rights-defenders-go-largely-unnoticed-by-outside-world/a-56757472 | Mar 04 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Killings of human rights defenders ′go largely unnoticed by outside world′ | DW Freedom | Speech. Expression. Media. | DW | 03.03.2021 | Mar 04 09:38 | |
| vmg3 | I'll forward the port and let you in if you like shortly i need to do a few thing first | Mar 04 09:38 |
| schestowitz__ | [09:37] <vmg3> there was a jpg with her standing next to a christmas tree | Mar 04 09:38 |
| schestowitz__ | I saw that meme | Mar 04 09:38 |
| vmg3 | https://hackernoon.com/a-beginners-guide-to-ipfs-20673fedd3f that where I saw it | Mar 04 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackernoon.com | What is IPFS? - A Beginner's Guide | Hacker Noon | Mar 04 09:39 | |
| schestowitz__ | vmg3: if it is arm-based, I can copy across some of the things that we have | Mar 04 09:39 |
| schestowitz__ | except sensitive stuff | Mar 04 09:39 |
| schestowitz__ | you said "pi" | Mar 04 09:39 |
| schestowitz__ | but then orange | Mar 04 09:40 |
| vmg3 | orange pi | Mar 04 09:40 |
| schestowitz__ | orange pi is powerful | Mar 04 09:40 |
| vmg3 | cheap | Mar 04 09:40 |
| schestowitz__ | but I don't remember what processor | Mar 04 09:40 |
| vmg3 | arm v7 but only 512 ram | Mar 04 09:40 |
| vmg3 | have about 20 gig space with a stick | Mar 04 09:41 |
| vmg3 | only has 1 usb | Mar 04 09:41 |
| vmg3 | no wifi | Mar 04 09:41 |
| vmg3 | no bt | Mar 04 09:41 |
| vmg3 | but in terminal hums along ok | Mar 04 09:42 |
| vmg3 | i still havent done ipfs | Mar 04 09:42 |
| vmg3 | just on my main its running | Mar 04 09:42 |
| vmg3 | still not sure i understand it | Mar 04 09:43 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes ☞ #PayPal to add 1,000 engineers to #India development centres in 2021 https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/paypal-to-add-1000-engineers-to-india-development-centres-in-2021/81310878 because of wages or superior skills? | Mar 04 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | PayPal Hiring: PayPal to add 1,000 engineers to India development centres in 2021, IT News, ET CIO | Mar 04 09:43 | |
| vmg3 | havent forwarded a port but it has incoming and outgoing | Mar 04 09:44 |
| techrights-bot | #HowTo Enable or Missing #UTF8 Support in Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148406 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 09:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Enable or Missing UTF-8 Support in Linux | Tux Machines | Mar 04 09:44 | |
| vmg3 | need to disconnect from vpn to access my router | Mar 04 09:44 |
| vmg3 | even if i whitelist | Mar 04 09:44 |
| vmg3 | bear with me | Mar 04 09:45 |
| schestowitz__ | ok | Mar 04 09:46 |
| techrights-bot | Corporations are political. Oligarchs are political. Tech is typically corporate and therefore it too is political. Stop this antagonism to #politics where/when it screws you over again and again. #law isn't objective either; it's political and constantly changing | Mar 04 09:50 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Axios ☞ #Facebook to lift political ad ban imposed after November #election https://www.axios.com/facebook-to-lift-political-ad-ban-march-4-302cb346-36e4-400c-b059-fe96065bbc5d.html | Mar 04 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook to lift political ad ban imposed after November election - Axios | Mar 04 09:50 | |
| techrights-bot | Patches for Multiple New #GRUB2 #Security Flaws Start Rolling Out to Linux Distros, Update Now • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148407 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI | Mar 04 09:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Patches for Multiple New GRUB2 Security Flaws Start Rolling Out to Linux Distros, Update Now | Tux Machines | Mar 04 09:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights | Mar 04 09:59 | |
| techrights-bot | Western democracy: one person, one vote. One person, many media outlets, each reaching and indoctrinating millions of voters | Mar 04 10:12 |
| techrights-bot | Government: we need the media to expose lies. Liars: we buy the media to tell lies. | Mar 04 10:14 |
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| *techrights-bot (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9e47:addf:5b42:cd6d) has joined #techrights | Mar 04 10:19 | |
| techrights-bot | Top 10 Best Linux #PortScanners for Network Admins • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148408 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 10:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 Best Linux Port Scanners for Network Admins | Tux Machines | Mar 04 10:19 | |
| techrights-bot | Measure your Internet of Things with #RaspberryPi and #opensource tools • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148409 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Measure your Internet of Things with Raspberry Pi and open source tools | Tux Machines | Mar 04 10:22 | |
| techrights-bot | #BSDNow : macOS inspired Desktop https://www.bsdnow.tv/392 | Mar 04 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 392: macOS inspired Deskto | Mar 04 10:26 | |
| techrights-bot | #ProprietarySoftware and (In)Security • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148410 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 10:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and (In)Security | Tux Machines | Mar 04 10:33 | |
| techrights-bot | Audiocasts/Shows: #BSDNow , The Linux Link Tech Show, Coder Radio • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148411 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #TLLTS | Mar 04 10:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: BSDNow, The Linux Link Tech Show, Coder Radio | Tux Machines | Mar 04 10:33 | |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ | Mar 04 10:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Calling | Techrights | Mar 04 10:39 | |
| techrights-bot | 2021: we humans must stay home and can get out once a day just for food (like dogs with their poop) http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ | Mar 04 10:40 |
| techrights-bot | "Whether you're just learning #GDB or you're a pro at it, it never hurts to have a reminder of what commands are available to you and what the syntax for those commands are." #programming #gnu https://opensource.com/article/21/3/debug-code-gdb | Mar 04 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learn to debug code with the GNU Debugger | Opensource.com | Mar 04 10:41 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148412 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 10:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 04 10:42 | |
| techrights-bot | "This is the latest in our monthly series summarizing the past month on the Community Blog. Please leave a comment below to let me know what you think." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/community-blog-monthly-summary-february-2021/ | Mar 04 10:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Community Blog monthly summary: February 2021 – Fedora Community Blog | Mar 04 10:43 | |
| techrights-bot | #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148413 •●• #Google #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 10:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 04 10:44 | |
| techrights-bot | Should anyone go to prison based on secret SOFTWARE? https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/02/should-anyone-go-to-prison-based-on-secret-software/ | Mar 04 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Should anyone go to prison based on secret SOFTWARE? | Stop at Zona-M | Mar 04 10:47 | |
| techrights-bot | Building rootless #containers for #JavaScript front ends https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2021/03/04/building-rootless-containers-for-javascript-front-ends/ | Mar 04 10:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Building rootless containers for JavaScript front ends - Red Hat Developer | Mar 04 10:48 | |
| techrights-bot | #TerminalFinances can be taken more seriously after #deletegithub https://opensource.com/article/21/3/terminal-finances do not host code with #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly as that does harm http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ | Mar 04 10:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Manage your personal budget with this open source application | Opensource.com | Mar 04 10:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights | Mar 04 10:51 | |
| techrights-bot | #Microsoft is interjecting shims for #proprietarysoftware with #NSA back doors... into the #Linux #kernel https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Hyper-V-Isolation-VMs-Linux http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Hyper-V_Reality_Log | Mar 04 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Sends Out Patches For Hyper-V "Isolation VMs" With Linux - Phoronix | Mar 04 10:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hyper-V Reality Log - Techrights | Mar 04 10:53 | |
| techrights-bot | Now the phony and charlatan Jim #zemlin can pretend he can finally (belatedly) learn #linux ... and no, he's likely lying about knowing Nippon, he may have lived in #japan for one year https://www.linux.com/news/the-linux-foundation-continues-to-expand-japanese-language-training-certification/ | Mar 04 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Linux Foundation Continues to Expand Japanese Language Training & Certification - Linux.com | Mar 04 10:56 | |
| techrights-bot | Jim #zemlin is NOT a tech. He's a #marketing guy. Charlatans and snakeoil pushers. In a conference I want someone in the audience to challenge him on claims he's fluent in Japanese. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Jim_Zemlin | Mar 04 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin - Techrights | Mar 04 10:58 | |
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| techrights-bot | Links 4/3/2021: #Pardus 19.5 is Out and Free Software Foundation Gets Consulting Grant • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/ardus-19-5-is-out/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/04/ardus-19-5-is-out/ | Mar 04 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/3/2021: Pardus 19.5 is Out and Free Software Foundation Gets Consulting Grant | Techrights | Mar 04 11:32 | |
| techrights-bot | #Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148414 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 04 11:32 | |
| techrights-bot | Open Sharing and Open Science • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148415 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Sharing and Open Science | Tux Machines | Mar 04 11:33 | |
| techrights-bot | Linux Foundation, Microsoft, and Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148416 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation, Microsoft, and Linux | Tux Machines | Mar 04 11:34 | |
| techrights-bot | Fedora Community Blog and Old IBM Tech • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148417 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Community Blog and Old IBM Tech | Tux Machines | Mar 04 11:34 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148418 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 04 11:34 | |
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| techrights-bot | Looks Like #Ubuntu 21.04 Will Offer a Hybrid #GNOME 3.38 Desktop with GNOME 40 Apps • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148419 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 12:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Looks Like Ubuntu 21.04 Will Offer a Hybrid GNOME 3.38 Desktop with GNOME 40 Apps | Tux Machines | Mar 04 12:27 | |
| techrights-bot | #patentTroll #IPCom uses #managingIP as megaphone, piggybacking pandemic for self-serving spin https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qtc76q2tqwj4/the-curious-case-of-crown-use-and-what-it-means-for-covid | Mar 04 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | The curious case of Crown use – and what it means for COVID | Managing Intellectual Property | Mar 04 12:29 | |
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| techrights-bot | "Despite the increased societal acceptance of people in the LGBTQ community, 29 states have failed to pass anti-discrimination laws to protect them." https://fair.org/home/equality-act-coverage-provides-a-platform-for-hate-but-not-for-trans-voices/ | Mar 04 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fair.org | Equality Act Coverage Provides a Platform for Hate—but Not for Trans Voices — FAIR | Mar 04 12:31 | |
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| psydroid | you would have expected them to at least try to subvert FOSDEM, but instead they chickened out and didn't show up at all | Mar 04 12:46 |
| psydroid | oh, I'm replying to old messages | Mar 04 12:47 |
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| schestowitz__ | which one? | Mar 04 12:51 |
| psydroid | the one about OSI not showing up at FOSDEM 2021 | Mar 04 13:00 |
| techrights-bot | Linux distributions: All the talent and hard work that goes into building a good one • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148420 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux distributions: All the talent and hard work that goes into building a good one | Tux Machines | Mar 04 13:06 | |
| techrights-bot | Yet more #fakepatents granted by #epo ... "The Dutch company withdrew the appeal against the revocation of patent DE 10 2006 011 143 B4 and three related infringement actions." https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/envipco-and-dpg-settle-dispute-over-bottle-deposit-system/ | Mar 04 13:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Envipco and DPG settle dispute over bottle deposit system - JUVE Patent | Mar 04 13:08 | |
| techrights-bot | #HowTo create your WordPress developer stack on OpenShift 4 | Enable Sysadmin ⇨ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/wordpress-developer-openshift •●• #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | Mar 04 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | How to create your WordPress developer stack on OpenShift 4 | Enable Sysadmin | Mar 04 13:10 | |
| techrights-bot | Cockpit is the modern #GNU #Linux admin interface. We release regularly. Here are the release notes from Cockpit version 239." https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-239.html | Mar 04 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cockpit-project.org | Cockpit 239 — Cockpit Project | Mar 04 13:11 | |
| techrights-bot | #ibm #redhat is #upselling again https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/5-ways-insights #rhel | Mar 04 13:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | 5 ways Red Hat Insights can improve your sysadmin Life | Enable Sysadmin | Mar 04 13:12 | |
| techrights-bot | Several of the programs in this article are also free as in freedom] https://smallbiztrends.com/2021/03/free-video-editing.html | Mar 04 13:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smallbiztrends.com | 20 Free Video Editing Apps for Beginners - Small Business Trends | Mar 04 13:13 | |
| techrights-bot | #KDEneon has a new release/ISO for 20210304 with latest Plasma in it https://neon.kde.org/ #gnu #linux #kde | Mar 04 13:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon | Mar 04 13:18 | |
| techrights-bot | Linux 5.10.20 Released - Fixes The Erroneous Record-Breaking #AMD Clock Frequencies - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.10.20-Fixes-Freq-Report •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/04/#latest | Mar 04 13:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.10.20 Released - Fixes The Erroneous Record-Breaking AMD Clock Frequencies - Phoronix | Mar 04 13:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Mar 04 13:19 | |
| techrights-bot | VCN-Less Navi 12 SKU, RX 6000 Series BACO Runtime PM Are Extras For Linux 5.12 - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-Fixes-Linux-5.12-rc2 •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/04/#latest | Mar 04 13:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VCN-Less Navi 12 SKU, RX 6000 Series BACO Runtime PM Are Extras For Linux 5.12 - Phoronix | Mar 04 13:21 | |
| techrights-bot | Perl is dead ... when I'm dead! http://blogs.perl.org/users/enkidu/2021/03/perl-is-dead-when-im-dead.html #perl #programming | Mar 04 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Perl is dead ... when I'm dead! | enkidu [blogs.perl.org] | Mar 04 13:22 | |
| techrights-bot | #linux in the TV box https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/04/rockchip-rk3566-tv-box-h96-max-android-11/ | Mar 04 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | The first Rockchip RK3566 TV box is out with H96 Max running Android 11 | Mar 04 13:22 | |
| techrights-bot | "The “security issue” boiled down to Plex not behaving ideally on mismanaged and insecure network configurations. In my opinion, Plex isn’t to blame for security errors in network configurations made by inexperienced network administrators." https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/jellyfin-vs-plex.html | Mar 04 13:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ctrl.blog | From Plex to Jellyfin Media Server | Mar 04 13:24 | |
| techrights-bot | "Well, perhaps you might want to consider the experience of English students in 2020 and the conclusions reached regarding the unfairness inherent in using algorithms to "adjust" grades" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1614863021618#c3148217388326008672 context: http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-does-not-understand-software/ | Mar 04 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat | Mar 04 13:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | Techrights | Mar 04 13:25 | |
| schestowitz__ | [13:00] <psydroid> the one about OSI not showing up at FOSDEM 2021 | Mar 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz__ | that's very old | Mar 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2021/02/07/osi-no-show/ | Mar 04 13:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Analysis of OSI’s ‘No Show’ at FOSDEM 2021 | Techrights | Mar 04 13:26 | |
| schestowitz__ | atm we configure another ipfs node in aussie | Mar 04 13:27 |
| schestowitz__ | should be useful as fallback and maybe there will be another new gemini site there (soon) | Mar 04 13:27 |
| schestowitz__ | busy computers are happy computers | Mar 04 13:27 |
| techrights-bot | Wow. #addictivetips has just posted 3 bits of #amazon spam in a row ("affiliate marketing"), basically pushing all sorts of US-neutral hardware products as if they're "For Linux". This is a growing epidemic http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/ | Mar 04 13:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Different Types of Spammy ‘Articles’ and ‘Reviews’ Which Have Killed ‘Professional Journalism’ (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights | Mar 04 13:30 | |
| techrights-bot | #qt5 (LTS) -- not just #qt6 -- is #ProprietarySoftware now. #qt as a whole needs to be forked or abandoned if we value #freesw https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-5.15.3-released | Mar 04 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Commercial LTS Qt 5.15.3 Released | Mar 04 13:32 | |
| techrights-bot | It's mostly #ibm controlling #gtk (not #gnu as in the G) and it's a monopolist. #qt is #ProprietarySoftware now. Far from ideal situation/scenario for #freesw | Mar 04 13:33 |
| techrights-bot | #itpro is helping #microsodft #racist agenda https://www.itpro.co.uk/security/vulnerability/358774/weekly-threat-roundup-microsoft-exchange-chrome-spectre see http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ | Mar 04 13:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Weekly threat roundup: Microsoft Exchange, Chrome, Spectre | IT PRO | Mar 04 13:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and ‘Five Eyes’ Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights | Mar 04 13:34 | |
| Chaekyung | back, time to steal a techrights article or two | Mar 04 13:35 |
| techrights-bot | "If you have the opportunity to get vaccinated, you should." The question is, which vaccine? Many of the ones pushed at the moment have barely been tested and they justify this by shouting "emergency" http://deblanc.net/blog/2021/03/04/vaccination/ | Mar 04 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deblanc.net | Vaccination | Life on M | Mar 04 13:36 | |
| techrights-bot | Just #deleteGoogle from your life https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-promises-stop-tracking-users-but-will-track-groups/ #surveillance #espionage #google #imperialism | Mar 04 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Google Promises to Stop Tracking Users But Will Track Groups - Make Tech Easier | Mar 04 13:38 | |
| techrights-bot | Calling somebody who rejects one particular vaccine (but gladly accepts and takes all the others) an "antivaxxer" is an insult to half of the world's society and a dangerous cheapening of the label, which makes it hard to identify the REAL threat (vaccine denialists) | Mar 04 13:40 |
| techrights-bot | #croc Is A Tool For Resumable, Encrypted File And Folder Transfers Between Computers (Command Line) • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148421 | Mar 04 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | croc Is A Tool For Resumable, Encrypted File And Folder Transfers Between Computers (Command Line) | Tux Machines | Mar 04 13:44 | |
| techrights-bot | The word "smart" is rapidly becoming synonymous with tracking or spying or surveillance https://www.wired.co.uk/article/future-screenshots so-called 'phones'... | Mar 04 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wired.co.uk | Screenshots suck. But they’re about to get a lot smarter | WIRED UK | Mar 04 13:45 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom's landlord was on the phone with her stunned that Mandy and I managed to get the vaccine when the states are struggling to get people 20 years older than us in. | Mar 04 13:45 |
| techrights-bot | 90% #gnu #linux and 10% #freebsd (no, #microsoft #windows is a goner) https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2021/03/04/most-reliable-hosting-company-sites-in-february-2021.html | Mar 04 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.netcraft.com | Most Reliable Hosting Company Sites in February 2021 | Netcraft News | Mar 04 13:46 | |
| techrights-bot | "This is the 37th edition of the Kafka Monthly Digest! In this edition, I’ll cover what happened in the Apache Kafka community in February 2021." https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/kafka-monthly-digest-2021-02/ | Mar 04 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | Kafka Monthly Digest – February 2021 – IBM Developer | Mar 04 13:47 | |
| techrights-bot | #LinuxLinks – The Home of #GNU #Linux https://www.linuxlinks.com/linuxlinks-home-linux/ | Mar 04 13:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LinuxLinks - The Home of Linux - LinuxLinks | Mar 04 13:51 | |
| techrights-bot | Dangerous recipe to watch out for: So-called 'Linux' sites putting in there 'prepared' pieces that sort of almost look like articles but are actually SEO spam with links hidden deep inside to manipulate people and sell malicious crap. | Mar 04 13:54 |
| techrights-bot | #LibreOffice 7.1.1 Community available for download • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148422 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #opendocument | Mar 04 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 7.1.1 Community available for download | Tux Machines | Mar 04 13:54 | |
| techrights-bot | #snap or #snapcraft or #snapd and all that 'proprietary' (think #systemd notion of vendor lock-in) Canonical stuff is still bloated and generally undesirable, non-standard https://ubuntu.com//blog/honey-i-shrunk-the-snap | Mar 04 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Honey, I Shrunk the Snap! | Ubuntu | Mar 04 13:56 | |
| techrights-bot | "Bugs like 1915579 which rendered my system unbootable." https://popey.com/blog/2021/03/unbreaking-unbootable-ubuntu/ #ubuntu #gnu #linux (but not a stable release, just testing) | Mar 04 13:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | Unbreaking Unbootable Ubuntu - Alan Pope's blog | Mar 04 13:57 | |
| Chaekyung | schestowitz__: | Mar 04 13:58 |
| Chaekyung | I just noticed there is no https | Mar 04 13:59 |
| Chaekyung | https://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ works though but the certificate is for someorganization and it expired in 2019 | Mar 04 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights | Mar 04 13:59 | |
| Chaekyung | schestowitz__: why not just use letsencrypt if you don't want to pay the bill? their 3 month long certs seems to work fine for now as long as you do a cron job | Mar 04 14:00 |
| techrights-bot | Torrent of Impurities is a brand new single-player and co-op Quake Episode https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/torrent-of-impurities-is-a-brand-new-singleplayer-and-co-op-quake-episode #gnu #linux #games | Mar 04 14:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Torrent of Impurities is a brand new single-player and co-op Quake Episode | GamingOnLinux | Mar 04 14:04 | |
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| techrights-bot | "No wonder why #Google could be locking down #Chrome to resist the rise of #Chromium -based browsers." https://news.itsfoss.com/brave-search-engine/ | Mar 04 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Privacy-Focused Brave Browser Plans to Challenge Google With A Private Search Engine - It's FOSS News | Mar 04 14:06 | |
| techrights-bot | #IBM / #RedHat : #Kafka Monthly Digest, Red Hat Upselling, and Cockpit 239 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148423 •●• #GNU #Linux | Mar 04 14:07 |
| techrights-bot | #Perl weekly challenge increasingly being outsource to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopolu http://blogs.perl.org/users/james_curtis-smith/2021/03/perl-weekly-challenge-102.html don't people know why to #deletegithub ? http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github | Mar 04 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat: Kafka Monthly Digest, Red Hat Upselling, and Cockpit 239 | Tux Machines | Mar 04 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Perl weekly challenge 102 | James Curtis-Smith [blogs.perl.org] | Mar 04 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights | Mar 04 14:08 | |
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| techrights-bot | Ubuntu: Unbreaking Unbootable #Ubuntu , #Snaps Shrunk and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148424 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 14:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: Unbreaking Unbootable Ubuntu, Snaps Shrunk and More | Tux Machines | Mar 04 14:20 | |
| techrights-bot | "While the 5.12 merge window hasn't even been closed for a full week yet" https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.13-Raspberry-Pi-4-CEC #kernel #linux | Mar 04 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.13 To Support HDMI CEC With The Raspberry Pi 4 - Phoronix | Mar 04 14:23 | |
| techrights-bot | #programming with #google toolsets, however, is too risky. They so often abandon initiatives, disservices and more https://bgr.com/2021/03/04/google-flutter-2-0-release-road-to-fuchsia/ | Mar 04 14:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google released an exciting upgrade to a resource most people won’t even recognize – BGR | Mar 04 14:26 | |
| techrights-bot | The #ApacheSoftwareFoundation Announces Apache® Daffodil™ as a Top-Level Project https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-software-foundation-announces74 #asf needs to #deletegithub after the #microsoft #entryism http://techrights.org/2019/04/29/asf-prisoner-of-microsoft/ | Mar 04 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | The Apache Software Foundation Announces Apache® Daffodil™ as a Top-Level Project : The Apache Software Foundation Blog | Mar 04 14:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | After Killing the Independence of Apache Software Foundation (ASF) Microsoft Steals Its Soul, Too | Techrights | Mar 04 14:29 | |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/eiwWkrBlwpM | Mar 04 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ШКЯ - Фотография - YouTube | Mar 04 14:31 | |
| techrights-bot | #suse blog being used for #marketing of #sap #ProprietarySoftware again https://www.suse.com/c/simple-mount-structure-for-sap-application-platform/ see http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/novell-suse-sap/ | Mar 04 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Simple Mount Structure for SAP Application Platform | SUSE Communities | Mar 04 14:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE Said It Was Becoming Independent But Instead It Became Like an ‘Asset’ of SAP (‘German Microsoft’), Which is Hostile Towards Free Software | Techrights | Mar 04 14:32 | |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: what da? | Mar 04 14:34 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Just art | Mar 04 14:34 |
| schestowitz__ | whose? | Mar 04 14:34 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: ShKYa | Mar 04 14:36 |
| techrights-bot | TVs With Linux and #RaspberryPi Latest • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148426 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 14:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TVs With Linux and Raspberry Pi Latest | Tux Machines | Mar 04 14:41 | |
| techrights-bot | #AMD Linux 5.12 and Linux 5.10.20 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148425 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 14:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Linux 5.12 and Linux 5.10.20 | Tux Machines | Mar 04 14:41 | |
| techrights-bot | #suse brags about working for polluters https://www.suse.com/c/phillips-66-reduces-costs-and-increases-agility-with-suse/ | Mar 04 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Phillips 66 reduces costs and increases agility with SUSE | SUSE Communities | Mar 04 14:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I plan to take a long term antibody test 14 days after my second dose to see if the vaccine produced a response or if I need to get another one. | Mar 04 14:44 |
| techrights-bot | Might and Delight confirm #Shelter3 to launch on March 30 | GamingOnLinux ⇨ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/might-and-delight-confirm-shelter-3-to-launch-on-march-30 •●• #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | Mar 04 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Might and Delight confirm Shelter 3 to launch on March 30 | GamingOnLinux | Mar 04 14:44 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suspect it will. Probably the second dose was needed because old people have immune systems that are worn down from age and they want to make sure there's a strong enough response in them. | Mar 04 14:44 |
| techrights-bot | "sponsored by Red Hat" #ibm acting like #microsoft ... paying people to write flattering things about itself... https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/harvard-business-analytic-services-banking-transformation-originates-strong-core | Mar 04 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Harvard Business Analytic Services: Banking transformation originates from a strong core | Mar 04 14:46 | |
| techrights-bot | "Both have pros and cons and with a sane operating system (like my Kubuntu Linux 20.04) you can unplug one on the fly and use the other without too much magnetic noises and a get plug'n'play experience" https://www.davidrevoy.com/article820/cintiq-or-intuos-or-both-the-tablets-i-use | Mar 04 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidrevoy.com | Cintiq or Intuos? ...or both? The tablets I use. - David Revoy | Mar 04 14:48 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #DemocracyNow ☞ Asian American Communities Organize Against Rise in Hate Crimes, Say More Policing Is Not the Answer https://www.democracynow.org/2021/3/3/hate_crimes_against_asian_americans #microsoft inciting #racism http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ | Mar 04 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Asian American Communities Organize Against Rise in Hate Crimes, Say More Policing Is Not the Answer | Democracy Now! | Mar 04 14:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and ‘Five Eyes’ Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights | Mar 04 14:52 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch ☞ #RulingClass Joe #Biden and the Essence of American #Politics https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/03/03/ruling-class-joe-and-the-essence-of-american-politics/ "Biden is showing us that he is what many of us who paid attention knew and warned he was: the Weimarian Third Way/Door." | Mar 04 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ruling Class Joe and the Essence of American Politics - CounterPunch.org | Mar 04 14:53 | |
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| techrights-bot | "The popular conception of an election campaign in the United States is that it revolves heavily around scheming strategists, deals cut in smoke-filled backrooms, and carefully measured soundbites for consumption by the media." http://coyote.works//the-big-reset-to-zero.html | Mar 04 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | The Big Reset To Zero | Mar 04 15:06 | |
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| techrights-bot | "Any community-related works on my part within the Ubuntu context are scrapped at the moment. Apologies have already been given." #ubuntu is no longer a community (it felt a bit like it >10 years ago, now it's #canonical ) http://coyote.works//where-my-projects-stand-now.html | Mar 04 15:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Where My Projects Stand Now | Mar 04 15:08 | |
| techrights-bot | "While there was a lot of initial backlash from the community and threats of new "free" forks, The Qt Company has moved ahead with this commercial-only phase." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Qt-5.15.3-LTS-Released | Mar 04 15:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Qt 5.15.3 LTS Released With 200+ Bug Fixes, But Only For Commercial Customers - Phoronix | Mar 04 15:09 | |
| techrights-bot | "I'm a 20+ years old KDE user and as sad as it sounds I'm starting to think that they should ditch #QT for good." Same here. 20+ years and still on #kde https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1242512-qt-5-15-3-lts-released-with-200-bug-fixes-but-only-for-commercial-customers | Mar 04 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Qt 5.15.3 LTS Released With 200+ Bug Fixes, But Only For Commercial Customers - Phoronix Forums | Mar 04 15:10 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: Someone on Facebook was making fun of me with a jpeg of people wearing masks with things like "I like to be controlled." and "I love Bill Gates.". | Mar 04 15:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Avoiding a deadly virus has nothing to do with whether one likes Bill Gates or not. | Mar 04 15:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The media selling him "news stories" as unlabeled "sponsored content" is sabotaging the vaccine rollout. | Mar 04 15:11 |
| techrights-bot | Maybe #kde should fork latest #qt5 and call it #kt5 or something. The cross-platform side of it never mattered much to KDE itself anyway. Just cross distros, inc. #bsd (it is doable, also less disruption due to #qt6 and 7...) | Mar 04 15:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think there's anything seriously wrong with any of the vaccine options out there, compared to the risk of the Coronavirus, but the media keeps shitting on the vaccines because everyone knows how shifty and unethical Bill Gates is. | Mar 04 15:12 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: yes, it harms it | Mar 04 15:12 |
| schestowitz__ | the gates obsession in the media | Mar 04 15:12 |
| schestowitz__ | and now his kids | Mar 04 15:12 |
| schestowitz__ | who did nothing in her life | Mar 04 15:12 |
| schestowitz__ | immediate celeb "coz daddy bribes the media" | Mar 04 15:13 |
| schestowitz__ | those are not vaccine experts | Mar 04 15:13 |
| schestowitz__ | rolling out their sleeve is not a skill | Mar 04 15:13 |
| schestowitz__ | the media does what it takes to deter and put people off | Mar 04 15:13 |
| schestowitz__ | so well done, gates | Mar 04 15:13 |
| schestowitz__ | "vaccines... endorsed by a famous criminal... book now!" | Mar 04 15:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Bill Gates is not helping to promote vaccines but helps to put people off and reject them collectively, as they perceive acceptance of vaccine as acceptance of a criminal. Bill gains a lot; gets to associate all his critics with "antivaxxers" or "anti-science". | Mar 04 15:15 |
| CrystalMath | yeah i know, i think there'd be more people getting vaccines if Bill Gates said they were all a fraud | Mar 04 15:16 |
| CrystalMath | though, i kinda agreed with Gates sometimes, he's not all bad | Mar 04 15:16 |
| CrystalMath | i think that maybe 1% of him actually wants something good | Mar 04 15:17 |
| MinceR | maybe we should surgically remove and kill the rest | Mar 04 15:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Likewise, 5G stakeholders (i.e. patent pool) managed to convince lots of gullible fools is that the only problem with 5G deployments/roll-out is that radio somehow spreads viruses or "enables" them | Mar 04 15:17 |
| CrystalMath | yeah, ridiculous | Mar 04 15:19 |
| CrystalMath | i signed a petition against 5G, but not because it's dangerous to biological organisms, as the petition text said | Mar 04 15:19 |
| CrystalMath | but because of the patent crap | Mar 04 15:19 |
| schestowitz__ | there are other issue | Mar 04 15:19 |
| schestowitz__ | sat comms for weather | Mar 04 15:20 |
| schestowitz__ | radiation | Mar 04 15:20 |
| schestowitz__ | among others | Mar 04 15:20 |
| MinceR | there are neutrons coming at us from the sun | Mar 04 15:20 |
| MinceR | i say we extinguish the sun! | Mar 04 15:20 |
| MinceR | oops | Mar 04 15:20 |
| MinceR | neutrinos | Mar 04 15:20 |
| schestowitz__ | [15:17] <CrystalMath> i think that maybe 1% of him actually wants something good | Mar 04 15:20 |
| schestowitz__ | the1% | Mar 04 15:20 |
| schestowitz__ | :-) | Mar 04 15:20 |
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| techrights-bot | "Cat Floor Studio, the developer, is a solo studio too which is surprising given how much thought went into this i would have expected at least 3-4 people on it. Always surprises me what tiny teams and solo developers can do." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/the-god-unit-is-a-brain-tickling-first-person-physics-puzzle-game-out-now | Mar 04 15:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The GoD Unit is a brain-tickling first-person physics puzzle game out now | GamingOnLinux | Mar 04 15:25 | |
| techrights-bot | " #security researcher Alexander Popov has discovered and fixed five similar issues in the virtual socket implementation of the #Linux #kernel ." https://www.tfir.io/positive-technologies-researcher-discovers-and-fixes-linux-kernel-vulnerabilities/ | Mar 04 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tfir.io | Positive Technologies Researcher Discovers And Fixes Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities | TFiR: Interviews, News & Analysis by Swapnil Bhartiya | Mar 04 15:27 | |
| techrights-bot | "From LEO the #StarShip will need less propellant (thus the upper stage is smaller than the first stage) to it’s journey to Moon and Mars and maybe even Moons of Saturn." https://dwaves.de/2021/03/04/spacexs-spaceship-starship-sn10-the-eagle-has-landed-almost-20min-later-bocachicaboomboom-why-settling-on-mars-is-critical-for-mankind-to-survive-in-the-universe/ | Mar 04 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-» SpaceX’s SpaceShip StarShip SN10 – THE EAGLE HAS LANDED – almost – 20min later BocaChicaBoomBoom – Why settling on Mars is critical for mankind to survive in the universe | dwaves.de | Mar 04 15:29 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/21022131 | Mar 04 15:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5259520) | Mar 04 15:40 | |
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| superkuh | Well, look at it this way. You have no immunity. You can either get the virus which will do virus things like merging your cell membranes together and generally causing massive inflammation and disregulation of the angeotensin system, or, you can get a vaccine that only makes the spike protein and is inert. | Mar 04 15:44 |
| techrights-bot | Stable Kernels: 5.11.3, 5.10.20, 5.4.102, 4.19.178, 4.14.223, 4.9.259 , and 4.4.259 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148427 •●• #Linux #TuxMachines #kernel | Mar 04 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.11.3, 5.10.20, 5.4.102, 4.19.178, 4.14.223, 4.9.259 , and 4.4.259 | Tux Machines | Mar 04 15:44 | |
| MinceR | or you can get tricked by the government into getting a vaccine that's supposed to be inactivated virions but due to poor quality control, not all the virions were inactivated | Mar 04 15:45 |
| MinceR | and instead of maybe getting infected, you're getting infected for sure | Mar 04 15:45 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59 | Mar 04 15:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 04 15:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "and instead of maybe getting inf"> Well, the adenovirus they selected should be harmless. | Mar 04 15:52 |
| MinceR | that's a different vaccine | Mar 04 15:52 |
| MinceR | with the adenovirus, you might just acquire immunity to the adenovirus and then blithely wonder into the path of SARS-CoV-2, get infected and seriously ill | Mar 04 15:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, you mean the live inactivated ones. | Mar 04 15:52 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 04 15:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that's dodgy. But I think it's India doing that. | Mar 04 15:52 |
| MinceR | red china is doing it too | Mar 04 15:53 |
| MinceR | allegedly the gypsy king's favorite is the sinopharm one | Mar 04 15:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh good. Well, if you have a choice and want one in Hungary, I'd rather gamble with the Sputnik V one. | Mar 04 15:53 |
| MinceR | (apparently he feels more need to lick winnie the pooh's ass than putler's right now) | Mar 04 15:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that's not saying much. | Mar 04 15:53 |
| MinceR | i'd rather wait until i can get something approved by the EMA | Mar 04 15:53 |
| MinceR | hopefully by then there will be enough data about them | Mar 04 15:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, mom says she'll get the J&J one, which is Ad26 vector. | Mar 04 15:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And I hear it's at least very effective at preventing severe COVID. | Mar 04 15:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if she does get it later, she'll almost certainly survive. | Mar 04 15:54 |
| MinceR | from what you said, it seemed that the main attraction was that it works with 1 dose | Mar 04 15:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, her employer is not giving anyone the excuse that the vaccine made them so sick they had to take time off. | Mar 04 15:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So not only would she have to drive 200 miles across Indiana to actually get an mRNA shot, twice, she'd risk having side effects both times and perhaps not even wanting to return for the second dose. | Mar 04 15:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So driving 80 miles once for J&J makes more sense. | Mar 04 15:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's what's most available now, and it seems to work okay. | Mar 04 15:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't have the production and logistical nightmare that a two dose vaccine that has to be stored in very cold freezers does. | Mar 04 15:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state of Indiana seems to be setting up a lot of pop-up vaccine clinics with the J&J one, so more people are going to be able to get that one anyway. | Mar 04 15:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because the distribution and scheduling doesn't work as well with Pfizer and Moderna. | Mar 04 15:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a trade off. If you're having distribution and patient compliance issues, you want the one that works well enough with one dose. | Mar 04 15:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I'm pretty sure that J&J will be approved in Europe at some point. | Mar 04 15:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm still more confident in the US FDA than the Russian government saying SPutnik should work, but Putin himself won't take it. | Mar 04 15:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I have other vaccines that I need to take first." | Mar 04 16:00 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if nazi hungary ordered or will order any of it | Mar 04 16:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, during a pandemic the urgent need to take other vaccines just suddenly came up in his late 60s, you know? | Mar 04 16:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Darn it. | Mar 04 16:00 |
| MinceR | where it's made isn't enough of a dystopian shithole for the gypsy king's taste | Mar 04 16:00 |
| MinceR | not worth sucking up there | Mar 04 16:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're not worried that if you criticize Orban that "unknown assailants" will find you? | Mar 04 16:01 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/21021963 | Mar 04 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5254825) | Mar 04 16:01 | |
| MinceR | i'm not sure what i have to lose | Mar 04 16:01 |
| MinceR | besides, this is not dumbFuckBook | Mar 04 16:02 |
| MinceR | so it isn't as easy as asking Fuckerberg for the ID of whoever is writing this | Mar 04 16:02 |
| techrights-bot | Blackmail artists and extortion artists are utilising or exploiting causes like those of actual activists to make their unethical operations seem of feel well-meaning https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qtfkvxcmhwqs/mip-international-patent-forum-why-straight-white-men-should-help-diversity-drive | Mar 04 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | MIP International Patent Forum: Why straight white men should help diversity drive | Managing Intellectual Property | Mar 04 16:03 | |
| schestowitz__ | Chaekyung: red velvet in my LINUX feeds https://linuxreviews.org/It%27s_Yeriday | Mar 04 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | It's Yeriday - LinuxReviews | Mar 04 16:04 | |
| techrights-bot | Justice system becoming growingly farcical https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/02/help-italy-has-too-many-types-of-digital-trials/ | Mar 04 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Help! Italy has too many types of digital trials | Stop at Zona-M | Mar 04 16:07 | |
| techrights-bot | #LibreOffice 7.1 Office Suite Gets First Point Release, over 90 Bugs Were Fixed • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148429 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw | Mar 04 16:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 7.1 Office Suite Gets First Point Release, over 90 Bugs Were Fixed | Tux Machines | Mar 04 16:09 | |
| techrights-bot | #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148428 •●• #Google #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 16:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 04 16:09 | |
| techrights-bot | Sweet Home 3D 6.5 http://www.sweethome3d.com/blog/2021/03/03/sweet_home_3d_6_5.html #freesw | Mar 04 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sweethome3d.com | Sweet Home 3D 6.5 - Sweet Home 3D Blog | Mar 04 16:11 | |
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| techrights-bot | The #thinktank of #patent extremists is trying to distort what's happening with #softwarepatents after #SCOTUS pretty much eliminated all of them (or those judged in a court) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qtfmx5j7vv3t/how-counsel-balance-uspto-and-court-edicts-on-section-101 | Mar 04 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | How counsel balance USPTO and court edicts on Section 101 | Managing Intellectual Property | Mar 04 16:18 | |
| techrights-bot | #texas is totally crazy when it comes to #patent law/litigation and it is destroying the Texan economy already; it cannot even supply power to its residents. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/discretionary-transfer-waco.html | Mar 04 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Discretionary Transfer out of Waco | Patently-O | Mar 04 16:19 | |
| techrights-bot | #internet trolls who lurk in #irc of #techrights mining for 'dirt' link to me by a fake (not mine) account and somehow also accuse #phoronix of intolerance (which is total baloney) https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1367378882068836359 http://techrights.org/2019/08/20/phoronix-demonised/ | Mar 04 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: Sadly, it doesn't take much effort to find that many of our community spaces tolerate intolerance. Community leader… https://t.co/DwVTbO2gBa | Mar 04 16:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: Sadly, it doesn't take much effort to find that many of our community spaces tolerate intolerance. Community leader… https://t.co/DwVTbO2gBa | Mar 04 16:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why We Support Phoronix (Whereas Some Others Do Not) | Techrights | Mar 04 16:25 | |
| MinceR | ooh, we're going to be cancelled too? | Mar 04 16:27 |
| schestowitz__ | nwo they go after Michael | Mar 04 16:28 |
| schestowitz__ | [16:26] <schestowitz__> (Depressing true story: I've spoken to people who are unwilling to criticise Phoronix because having their work mentioned there is a positive for performance reviews, and @michaellarabel | Mar 04 16:28 |
| schestowitz__ | [16:26] <schestowitz__> has demonstrated willingness to ignore work produced by critics) | Mar 04 16:28 |
| schestowitz__ | because Michael is pureee evil | Mar 04 16:28 |
| schestowitz__ | he ways babies and women | Mar 04 16:28 |
| schestowitz__ | true story: his wife lost her job as the pandemic started | Mar 04 16:28 |
| Digit | he what? | Mar 04 16:28 |
| schestowitz__ | months after giving birth | Mar 04 16:29 |
| schestowitz__ | young baby boy | Mar 04 16:29 |
| schestowitz__ | so michael now looks after 3 people | Mar 04 16:29 |
| schestowitz__ | and a troll who took $150,000 salary from Google public trolls him | Mar 04 16:29 |
| schestowitz__ | "Racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia" | Mar 04 16:29 |
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| schestowitz__ | Yeah, that's michael | Mar 04 16:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Phoronix is aaaaalllll "Racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia" | Mar 04 16:29 |
| schestowitz__ | somehow I fail to see it | Mar 04 16:29 |
| *Digit still stuck on "he ways babies and women" ...? he what? | Mar 04 16:30 | |
| schestowitz__ | maybe I need a bigger mocroscope | Mar 04 16:30 |
| schestowitz__ | the Google troll is unemployed now | Mar 04 16:30 |
| schestowitz__ | so he's parking hers in IRC | Mar 04 16:30 |
| schestowitz__ | marking people to "cancel" | Mar 04 16:30 |
| schestowitz__ | slow clap... | Mar 04 16:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Digit: sarcasm | Mar 04 16:30 |
| *Digit was thinking schestowitz__ is too caught up in his roll to clarify "he ways babies and women" | Mar 04 16:31 | |
| Digit | weighs? was? idk how one "ways" something. | Mar 04 16:31 |
| techrights-bot | #suse site does #sap #proprietarySoftware fluff/spam for second time in a day. How about using the blog to promote #freesw instead, SUSE? https://www.suse.com/c/two-webinars-for-two-important-aspects-of-sap-deployment/ see http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/novell-suse-sap/ | Mar 04 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two Webinars for Two Important Aspects of SAP Deployment | SUSE Communities | Mar 04 16:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE Said It Was Becoming Independent But Instead It Became Like an ‘Asset’ of SAP (‘German Microsoft’), Which is Hostile Towards Free Software | Techrights | Mar 04 16:33 | |
| Old_Man | When you see someone being accused of "racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia," that has become an indicator that they probably know what they're talking about in some other field, and caused resentment in someone who didn't. | Mar 04 16:33 |
| Old_Man | So those accusations have become a contraindicator for trustworthiness in other fields. | Mar 04 16:34 |
| Old_Man | So, if anyone's getting accused of racism/misogyny/transphobia, come tell me what you know. :) | Mar 04 16:34 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #EFF #police ☞ The Justice in Policing Act Does Not Do Enough to Rein in Body-Worn Cameras https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/justice-policing-act-does-not-do-enough-reign-body-worn-cameras | Mar 04 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | The Justice in Policing Act Does Not Do Enough to Rein in Body-Worn Cameras | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Mar 04 16:34 | |
| *Old_Man offers the chair next to himself to JK Rowling. | Mar 04 16:35 | |
| MinceR | good news for actual racists, sexists, homophobes and transphobes | Mar 04 16:35 |
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| schestowitz__ | [16:31] <Digit> weighs? was? idk how one "ways" something. | Mar 04 16:35 |
| schestowitz__ | I mistyped | Mar 04 16:35 |
| schestowitz__ | I think I meant "eats" | Mar 04 16:35 |
| MinceR | the crybullies will soon make any such accusations lack credibility | Mar 04 16:35 |
| Old_Man | Nah, I'm perfectly adept at refuting *actual* racism and transphobia when I see it. But that's only about 1% of the time I see the accusations made. | Mar 04 16:36 |
| schestowitz__ | mjg59 is harming real activists | Mar 04 16:36 |
| schestowitz__ | pseudo-'hacktivt' | Mar 04 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | working for monopolies | Mar 04 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | giving a bad name to real campaigners | Mar 04 16:37 |
| *danielinux_ is now known as danielinux | Mar 04 16:37 | |
| schestowitz__ | by using too broad a brush | Mar 04 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | and tries to frame me (with highlight in twitter) as "racist" and stuff | Mar 04 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | I suppose because someone in IRC wrote some blog posts he did not like | Mar 04 16:37 |
| *schestowitz__ looking at Chaekyung | Mar 04 16:38 | |
| Old_Man | It's not at all difficult to hold up claims about race/sex/etc. to Mohamad Safa's quote and see where it falls: | Mar 04 16:38 |
| Old_Man | "Our world is not divided by race, color, gender, or religion. Our world is divided into wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender, or religion." | Mar 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz__ | so I am responsible for each blog post of Chaekyung | Mar 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz__ | whom I barely know | Mar 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz__ | anyway, this harms real activists | Mar 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz__ | not just by attacking hard-working Michael | Mar 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz__ | who works 100+ hours a week | Mar 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz__ | for scraps | Mar 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz__ | benchmaking things and following news non-step | Mar 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz__ | *stop | Mar 04 16:39 |
| MinceR | Old_Man: then they'll just increase the rate to the point where you won't have time to verify every accusation :> | Mar 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz__ | it's also helping make a caricature of real activists | Mar 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz__ | actual victims of sexism, homophobia etc. | Mar 04 16:39 |
| Old_Man | MinceR: "Hitchens's Razor" makes that easy. | Mar 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz__ | I assume matt was abused as a kid or something | Mar 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz__ | so he's looking for revenge on someone/s | Mar 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz__ | and he picks the wrong targets | Mar 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz__ | instead of berating RACIST COMPANIES he WORKS for them | Mar 04 16:40 |
| Old_Man | Who's matt? | Mar 04 16:40 |
| schestowitz__ | to get the MONIES | Mar 04 16:40 |
| schestowitz__ | Old_Man: mjg59 | Mar 04 16:40 |
| schestowitz__ | who lurks here for dirt | Mar 04 16:40 |
| Old_Man | Oh, the child molester? | Mar 04 16:40 |
| schestowitz__ | and keeps reaffirming our suspicions about him | Mar 04 16:40 |
| schestowitz__ | Old_Man: no, the professional troll | Mar 04 16:40 |
| schestowitz__ | corporate troll | Mar 04 16:40 |
| Old_Man | I thought he was a child molester too? | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz__ | trolling RMS, Torvalds, now Larablel | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz__ | to make himself seem as important as them | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz__ | by interjecting himself into headlines etc. | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz__ | trolling works like that | Mar 04 16:41 |
| Old_Man | Didn't he say something about understanding Biden's predilection for sniffing and making physical contact with small children? | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz__ | no idea | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz__ | he'll correct his tweet, I'm sure | Mar 04 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | if he values facts (he does not) | Mar 04 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | tweets cannot even be corrected | Mar 04 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | it's a 'feature' | Mar 04 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | for the viral mobs | Mar 04 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ | Mar 04 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Control Media: Where ‘Cancel Culture’ Thrives | Techrights | Mar 04 16:43 | |
| schestowitz__ | what they did in twitter to RMS: http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ | Mar 04 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake ‘Door Sign’ Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights | Mar 04 16:44 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Not OK, Zoomer: Here's Why You Hate #Videoconference Meetings - And What To Do About It https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210226/06104846322/not-ok-zoomer-heres-why-you-hate-videoconference-meetings-what-to-do-about-it.shtml | Mar 04 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not OK, Zoomer: Here's Why You Hate Videoconference Meetings -- And What To Do About It | Techdirt | Mar 04 16:44 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe Texas is a self-canceling problem. The jury pool that decides that ridiculous patents should be enforced doesn't have to wear their face mask now. | Mar 04 16:45 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ After Hyping #5G For Years, Verizon Advises Users To Turn It Off To Avoid Battery Drain https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210302/09301446347/after-hyping-5g-years-verizon-advises-users-to-turn-it-off-to-avoid-battery-drain.shtml | Mar 04 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Hyping 5G For Years, Verizon Advises Users To Turn It Off To Avoid Battery Drain | Techdirt | Mar 04 16:46 | |
| schestowitz__ | Ariadne: 5g hype ^^ | Mar 04 16:46 |
| schestowitz__ | lol | Mar 04 16:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Sadly, it doesn't take much effort to find that many of our community spaces tolerate intolerance." - mjg59 | Mar 04 16:46 |
| schestowitz__ | so powerful it sucks up all the power | Mar 04 16:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | (German Accent) INTOLERANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED! | Mar 04 16:47 |
| schestowitz__ | inzolerens | Mar 04 16:47 |
| schestowitz__ | vill not | Mar 04 16:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | NEIN, SO WAS! | Mar 04 16:47 |
| schestowitz__ | das ist gut, mein DaemonFC[m] | Mar 04 16:48 |
| schestowitz__ | is thast racist by the way | Mar 04 16:48 |
| schestowitz__ | is German also a race? | Mar 04 16:48 |
| schestowitz__ | is American a race? | Mar 04 16:48 |
| schestowitz__ | I saw an article this week about how they tried to say American was a race | Mar 04 16:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people who have completely forgotten where their family immigrated from just put down "American" heritage. | Mar 04 16:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The numbers are higher in areas where Republicans do well in the elections. | Mar 04 16:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not that they're necessarily wrong for putting that down, I suppose. | Mar 04 16:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We've been a thing for long enough, I guess. | Mar 04 16:50 |
| schestowitz__ | race to the bottom | Mar 04 16:50 |
| schestowitz__ | bottom of all arguments | Mar 04 16:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59 cashes paychecks from companies that implement DRM, foist locked bootloaders on people (which he helped to lock), spy on people and share their data with advertisers and the government, and sue people under the DMCA for reporting security holes in their products. | Mar 04 16:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's probably at Apple now. | Mar 04 16:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think the real reason for the linux subsystem on chromebooks is so that people don't put them in developer mode and replace Chrome OS. | Mar 04 16:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What's the point if the software runs in Chrome OS? For many people, there is none and then Google can keep spying on you and forcing Chrome as your web browser. | Mar 04 16:54 |
| schestowitz__ | chromeOS is not an os | Mar 04 16:54 |
| schestowitz__ | it's a browser (spyware) with kernel to boot it | Mar 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz__ | it's a joke | Mar 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz__ | and a massive regression | Mar 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz__ | like game console in laptop form factor | Mar 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm going to post daily links now | Mar 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz__ | anyway, trolls gonna troll | Mar 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz__ | I noticed that Google critics piss of those trolls the most | Mar 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz__ | Google bribes EFF, FSFE, Debian etc. | Mar 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz__ | and people who call them out, like Pocock, get "marked for death" | Mar 04 16:56 |
| schestowitz__ | by people who take blood-stained salaries from Google | Mar 04 16:56 |
| schestowitz__ | drenched in blood and semen | Mar 04 16:56 |
| schestowitz__ | from perverts a criminals who cover up for them | Mar 04 16:56 |
| schestowitz__ | anyway, me back to posting links... | Mar 04 16:56 |
| schestowitz__ | more productive stuff... just pisses me off to think they waste Larabel's time with this utter corporate trolling | Mar 04 16:57 |
| schestowitz__ | This was in Planet GNOME today | Mar 04 17:00 |
| schestowitz__ | http://deblanc.net/blog/2021/03/04/vaccination/ | Mar 04 17:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deblanc.net | Vaccination | Life on M | Mar 04 17:00 | |
| schestowitz__ | RMS complained when de Icaza was shilling Microsoft proprietary stuff in that planet | Mar 04 17:00 |
| schestowitz__ | or maybe some others did vmware | Mar 04 17:00 |
| schestowitz__ | and they attacked him for saying that | Mar 04 17:00 |
| schestowitz__ | about a GNU project | Mar 04 17:00 |
| schestowitz__ | Planet GNOME? Maybe tomorrow a post about Biden and Trump, too.. | Mar 04 17:01 |
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| MinceR | 04 174833 < schestowitz__> is German also a race? | Mar 04 17:14 |
| MinceR | depends on your feelings, of course | Mar 04 17:14 |
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| psydroid | <schestowitz__ "http://deblanc.net/blog/2021/03/"> I read that as her telling people that she was going on vacation for an indefinite time | Mar 04 17:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deblanc.net | March | 2021 | Life on M | Mar 04 17:17 | |
| psydroid | don't like someone? send them on an unpaid and indefinite vacation from Twitter, FB, YouTube etc. | Mar 04 17:19 |
| techrights-bot | #KDE ’s Apps Update for March 2021 Improves Spectacle, #Gwenview , and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148430 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE’s Apps Update for March 2021 Improves Spectacle, Gwenview, and More | Tux Machines | Mar 04 17:24 | |
| techrights-bot | #Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148431 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 04 17:25 | |
| schestowitz__ | psydroid: I don't get it | Mar 04 17:27 |
| schestowitz__ | just looked again | Mar 04 17:27 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe you first read "vacc" as vacation? | Mar 04 17:27 |
| schestowitz__ | funny that in recent comments in her blog about half as from my sites | Mar 04 17:28 |
| techrights-bot | Games: Torrent of Impurities, Shelter 3, GoD Unit, and Mail Mole • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148432 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Games #Gaming | Mar 04 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Torrent of Impurities, Shelter 3, GoD Unit, and Mail Mole | Tux Machines | Mar 04 17:28 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148433 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 04 17:28 | |
| schestowitz__ | commenting is no longer even possible afaict | Mar 04 17:28 |
| schestowitz__ | it's weird because... | Mar 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz__ | she's arguing a lot with pocock | Mar 04 17:29 |
| psydroid | schestowitz__: yes, that was kind of the joke | Mar 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz__ | whom we republish at times | Mar 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz__ | psydroid: I thought maybe she had cancelled herself somewhere in the text | Mar 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz__ | and I did not notice | Mar 04 17:29 |
| psydroid | I was like "why is she suddenly writing about vacations?" | Mar 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz__ | she does keep low profile now | Mar 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz__ | like de Icaza does | Mar 04 17:29 |
| techrights-bot | Software: #SweetHome3D 6.5, Video Editors, and #Tor Browser 10.0.13 (GNU/Linux Only) • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148434 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Sweet Home 3D 6.5, Video Editors, and Tor Browser 10.0.13 (GNU/Linux Only) | Tux Machines | Mar 04 17:30 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148435 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 04 17:30 |
| techrights-bot | Links 4/3/2021: #LibreOffice 7.1.1, #Cockpit 239, Many Stable #Kernel Releases • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/many-stable-kernel-releases/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/04/many-stable-kernel-releases/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/04/#latest | Mar 04 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 04 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/3/2021: LibreOffice 7.1.1, Cockpit 239, Many Stable Kernel Releases | Techrights | Mar 04 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Mar 04 17:31 | |
| schestowitz__ | both from gnome foundation btw | Mar 04 17:33 |
| schestowitz__ | stormy peters also nearly vanished | Mar 04 17:33 |
| schestowitz__ | she is attacking the people who thought she was one of them | Mar 04 17:33 |
| schestowitz__ | in exchange for a salary of a criminal company -- a serial criminal | Mar 04 17:33 |
| schestowitz__ | it's worth debating how to better prevent people from defecting to corporate crimes | Mar 04 17:34 |
| psydroid | the thing is that if people can ruin one field of technology completely by selling themselves out for a quick buck, they could do so in any other field too | Mar 04 17:37 |
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| Digit | a lot go into pharmaceuticals and stock trading. | Mar 04 17:40 |
| schestowitz__ | 'trading' | Mar 04 17:46 |
| schestowitz__ | gaming more-liek | Mar 04 17:46 |
| schestowitz__ | like crashing companies for a buck | Mar 04 17:46 |
| schestowitz__ | c.f. vulture capitalists | Mar 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz__ | hedge funds etc. | Mar 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz__ | now they consciously kill journalism | Mar 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz__ | today: | Mar 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:45] <techrights-bot> ● NEWS ● #Shadowproof #Finance ☞ US Journalists Form Unions To Survive ‘ #HedgeFund Vampires’ And #COVID19 #Pandemic https://shadowproof.com/2021/03/03/us-journalists-form-unions-to-survive-hedge-fund-vampires-and-covid-19-pandemic/ | Mar 04 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shadowproof.com | Newsroom Labor Organizing Sweeps US As Industry Crisis Deepens | Mar 04 17:47 | |
| schestowitz__ | one of many such stories | Mar 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz__ | they bet against reporting | Mar 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz__ | so nobody calls out corporate crime | Mar 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz__ | or EPO corruption etc. | Mar 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz__ | who even covers LF corruption? | Mar 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz__ | almost nobodty | Mar 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz__ | just mentioned habitually in youtube and web forums | Mar 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz__ | until those who mention it get banned | Mar 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz__ | bbl | Mar 04 17:48 |
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| mjg59 | schestowitz__: Are you claiming that the Phoronix forums *don't* contain a bunch of transphobia? | Mar 04 18:57 |
| CrystalMath | they do? | Mar 04 19:02 |
| mjg59 | They do | Mar 04 19:06 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Mar 04 19:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59 is offended for them. | Mar 04 19:11 |
| MinceR | well, i am offended by SJWs canceling people like RMS | Mar 04 19:13 |
| MinceR | i am also offended by CoCs being forced onto free software projects | Mar 04 19:13 |
| mjg59 | eg, https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/hardware/processors-memory/1171334-intel-xeon-gold-5220r-xeon-gold-6226r-linux-performance?p=1171652#post1171652 | Mar 04 19:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Xeon Gold 5220R + Xeon Gold 6226R Linux Performance - Phoronix Forums | Mar 04 19:15 | |
| MinceR | how many is a "bunch", though? | Mar 04 19:17 |
| mjg59 | Pretty much every thread about a story containing a trans person contains some | Mar 04 19:17 |
| MinceR | are there many such threads? | Mar 04 19:17 |
| mjg59 | Yes | Mar 04 19:17 |
| MinceR | is Michael Larabel responsible for what other people say on a public forum he hosts on his site? | Mar 04 19:18 |
| mjg59 | No, but he is responsible for the lack of moderation | Mar 04 19:18 |
| MinceR | i wonder if we'll also be cancelled for not moderating what you say here :> | Mar 04 19:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/2021/3/4/22313669/jewel-teamsters-warehouse-workers-delivery-drivers-contract-talks-strike-authorization | Mar 04 19:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chicago.suntimes.com | Jewel distribution workers’ union says time is short to avert strike - Chicago Sun-Times | Mar 04 19:29 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The union said mandatory six-day workweeks have caused dangerous overcrowding at the warehouse, resulting in some employees contracting COVID-19. It said the company has threatened workers with discipline if they take time off for vaccine appointments." | Mar 04 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I see the vaccination as something we can do and something we've got to do. We're lucky we've avoided this for so long. | Mar 04 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Long COVID has become such a problem that the Social Security Administration is investigating how many years it could potentially continue because people are filing disability claims with it and doctors don't know whether to say if it can last for more than 12 months or cause death. | Mar 04 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The situation is not fantastic with the vaccines as far as knowing everything they could potentially do, but I'd say death or Long COVID is probably worse. | Mar 04 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not allowing time off for a vaccine appointment is a legitimate grievance. | Mar 04 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, that's one where the state should be coming in and doing something. | Mar 04 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy asked for Sunday off to take his second dose like he did on the 12th of February for his first, and his boss said "Take it. I'll trade you shifts with someone.". | Mar 04 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's already down workers because they call in over covid or to goof off. Last thing he needs is to lose another one. Smart guy. | Mar 04 19:48 |
| Old_Man | Speculating on whether a person is intersex, transsexual, or transvestite does not constitute "transphobic." That is an Orwellian redefinition of the term. | Mar 04 19:50 |
| Old_Man | And I am offended and hurt by people who attempt to make such false accusations by redefining the term. | Mar 04 19:50 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: "tranny" is a slur | Mar 04 19:52 |
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| Old_Man | I am offended and hurt by people who attempt to make words into "slurs" before consulting with the person who spoke it, to determine whether they intended it to be one. | Mar 04 19:53 |
| mjg59 | k | Mar 04 19:53 |
| Old_Man | "Our world is not divided by race, color, gender, or religion. Our world is divided into wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender, or religion." -Mohamad Safa | Mar 04 19:54 |
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| mjg59 | The people who use slurs to describe trans people are the ones dividing by gender here | Mar 04 19:55 |
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| Old_Man | You haven't provided any evidence that it's a slur. You just spewed out that hateful accusation like a bigot. | Mar 04 19:56 |
| Old_Man | And such bigotry coming from you is offensive and hurtful. | Mar 04 19:56 |
| mjg59 | Sir, you're the person who was incapable of understanding the literal definition of the word "evidence" | Mar 04 19:58 |
| Old_Man | No, what I said is that we could all clearly agree on Merriam-Webster dictionary definition 1 a. | Mar 04 19:58 |
| mjg59 | I'm not convinced you're a reliable source on the meaning of language | Mar 04 19:58 |
| Old_Man | But this is what now, the third time you've been such an outright fucking liar on that point? | Mar 04 19:59 |
| Old_Man | Tell me: is there anyone who shares your opinion who is *not* a fucking lar? | Mar 04 19:59 |
| Old_Man | s/lar/liar/ | Mar 04 19:59 |
| Old_Man | https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tranny | Mar 04 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tranny | Definition of Tranny by Merriam-Webster | Mar 04 19:59 | |
| Old_Man | "Sometimes disparaging." | Mar 04 19:59 |
| Old_Man | So, you need to consult with the speaker of that term to determine whether they *did* intend it to be disparaging, or *did not*. | Mar 04 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59: So my spouse is Asian and he laughs at South Park. Especially the episode where they go to the P.F. Changs. | Mar 04 19:59 |
| mjg59 | DaemonFC[m]: Cool? | Mar 04 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | An inability to laugh at a caricature of yourself is the sign of a personality defect. | Mar 04 20:00 |
| MinceR | and now your spouse is going to be cancelled for that | Mar 04 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You seem to be pissed off over everything, and nobody but you cares. | Mar 04 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seek help. | Mar 04 20:00 |
| Old_Man | So, mjg59 "is not convinced" that the Merriam-Webster dictionary is a reliable source on the meaning of language. :D | Mar 04 20:00 |
| Old_Man | That's a clear indication of Orwellian "newspeak" totalitarianism. | Mar 04 20:01 |
| Old_Man | Rejecting the Merriam-Webster dictionary, and my citations of it, over and over again. | Mar 04 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If words have meaning, then people like him can't change the meaning as easily. | Mar 04 20:01 |
| MinceR | i think mjg59 has confused this channel with a courtroom | Mar 04 20:01 |
| gry | or he's just from the UK | Mar 04 20:01 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: Your argument that personal testimony is not evidence is counterfactual | Mar 04 20:01 |
| Old_Man | mjg59, and by "counterfactual," you mean that it's purple with mauve polka-dots on it, right? | Mar 04 20:02 |
| Old_Man | Gosh, this redefinition of words is so much fun! :D | Mar 04 20:02 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 04 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59 want to change the language. | Mar 04 20:02 |
| gry | isn't mjg59 calling it a 'slur' and Old_Man calling it 'sometimes disparaging' the same thing? | Mar 04 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was instead of he and her we can have xe, xim, awkward uses of they, and so on. | Mar 04 20:03 |
| gry | like you two agree | Mar 04 20:03 |
| MinceR | gry: only if "sometimes" means "always" | Mar 04 20:03 |
| MinceR | or it's just a weird-looking space | Mar 04 20:03 |
| Old_Man | gry, read my words. I said mjg59 had to consult with the speaker to determine if it was or wasn't. | Mar 04 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, "per". | Mar 04 20:03 |
| Old_Man | Because the dictioary explicitly says "sometimes." | Mar 04 20:03 |
| gry | i think its better to avoid words which might be interpreted as insulting | Mar 04 20:03 |
| gry | even if sometimes | Mar 04 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Don't forget "per". | Mar 04 20:03 |
| gry | at the very least, it can be a valid opinion | Mar 04 20:04 |
| Old_Man | gry, leave it up to the speaker, not the listener. If you leave it up to the listener, then it's subject to corruption by dishonest people like mjg59. | Mar 04 20:04 |
| gry | https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/tranny says it is 'offensive' | Mar 04 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tranny noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com | Mar 04 20:04 | |
| gry | perhaps it will help you | Mar 04 20:04 |
| Old_Man | People who are trying to spread hate-screaming and bigotry by redefining words. | Mar 04 20:04 |
| MinceR | i think it's better to avoid cancelling people and forums for using words which might be interpreted as insulting | Mar 04 20:05 |
| Old_Man | In fact, I don't think I've ever heard "tranny" used by anyone who *wasn't* themselves a cross-dresser, except by gear-heads talking about *transmission* replacements in their cars. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| gry | https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tranny also says so | Mar 04 20:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dictionary.cambridge.org | TRANNY | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary | Mar 04 20:05 | |
| Old_Man | Most people just don't care how you care to dress, so if that's your hobby, use the word if you want. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| MinceR | looks like Merriam-Webster is about to be cancelled too :( | Mar 04 20:06 |
| gry | i don't mean to say i agree with censoring this word out, but at the very least it's not redefining words | Mar 04 20:06 |
| Old_Man | gry, the word mgj59 was trying to conduct "newspeak" revisionism to was not "tranny;" it was "transphobic." | Mar 04 20:07 |
| gry | that one i have no issues with, perhaps | Mar 04 20:07 |
| MinceR | are speakers of us english be forced into re-education camps and be forcibly switched to uk english too? | Mar 04 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Never! | Mar 04 20:07 |
| MinceR | s/be/going to &/ | Mar 04 20:07 |
| mjg59 | The use of a slur against trans people doesn't indicate transphobia? | Mar 04 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Except on WIkipedia. | Mar 04 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <mjg59 "The use of a slur against trans "> No. It doesn't make you afraid of them. | Mar 04 20:08 |
| Old_Man | mjg59, I advised you to consult with the speaker to determine that. When you did so, what did the speaker say? | Mar 04 20:08 |
| mjg59 | DaemonFC[m]: Is photophobia a fear of light? | Mar 04 20:08 |
| Old_Man | Hello? mjg59? When you contacted the writer of the phrase you considered "transphobic" to determine whether they truly meant it in a disparaging way, what did that person say? | Mar 04 20:10 |
| Old_Man | Gosh... looks like mjg59 got very quiet all of a sudden. That's good, because I find false accusations and being a lying piece of shit to be very offensive and hurtful behavior. | Mar 04 20:11 |
| Old_Man | I also find "newspeak" revisionism to be very offensive and hurtful behavior. | Mar 04 20:12 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: You argued I was trying to redefine transphobia. I clearly believe that the word was used as a slur. If we take that assumption, how is it not transphobic? | Mar 04 20:12 |
| gry | Old_Man: what use is there in labeling people like that? | Mar 04 20:12 |
| gry | Old_Man: perhaps you have something more constructive to do? | Mar 04 20:12 |
| Old_Man | We don't take that assumption, because "we" are not a bunch of hate-screaming, false-accusing bigots. That's only you, not "we." | Mar 04 20:12 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: Right, but in that case I'm still not redefining transphobia, I'm just mistaken about it | Mar 04 20:13 |
| Old_Man | Oh no; you have a long reputation of attempting to redefine words out of bad faith and hate-screaming bigotry. So every time you attempt it, you *cannot* be given the benefit of the doubt, nor can your "good faith" be assumed. You know, as you have for many weeks now, that all such attempts in which you contradict the clear definitions given in the dictionary are bad-faith and maliciousness on your | Mar 04 20:14 |
| mjg59 | If I'm correct in my assumption that it's a slur, then does it meet the definition of transphobia? | Mar 04 20:14 |
| Old_Man | part. | Mar 04 20:14 |
| gry | MinceR: are you from the US? | Mar 04 20:14 |
| Old_Man | So, the discussion ends when you are caught making such bigoted false accusations, until such time as you have apologized for making your bad-faith assumptions and malicious false accusations. | Mar 04 20:14 |
| gry | MinceR: or that US people being referred to UK dictionaries question was just for this conversation, but not related to yourselves | Mar 04 20:15 |
| gry | DaemonFC[m]: are you editing wikipedia from time to time? | Mar 04 20:15 |
| CrystalMath | Old_Man: the transphobic thing would be that this person denies that a trans woman is a woman, i think | Mar 04 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | in the post referred to by mjg59 | Mar 04 20:16 |
| Old_Man | In a parallel universe, there is a more intelligent version of mgj59 who intelligently wrote, "you're right; sorry. I should not have held the phoronix forum website responsible for speech which I had no way of knowing whether it was transphobic or not." | Mar 04 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes. | Mar 04 20:16 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: I don't know that there's any indication that the woman in question is trans other than the poster's assertion | Mar 04 20:17 |
| Old_Man | CrystalMath, those people are clearly stupid for *caring* whether an executive has one sex or another, but that isn't what the term "transphobic" means. | Mar 04 20:18 |
| cybrNaut | merriam-webster.com is a poor source. It blocks Tor, and it's US-centric | Mar 04 20:18 |
| CrystalMath | mjg59: yeah i don't think Lisa Su is trans, but to me the transphobic thing about the post is that the poster asserts that if that were the case, then Lisa Su would not be a woman somehow | Mar 04 20:19 |
| CrystalMath | so i do agree that this particular post is transphobic | Mar 04 20:19 |
| CrystalMath | on the other hand, simply using a particular word does not have to be transphobic by itself | Mar 04 20:20 |
| Old_Man | That's not what the word "transphobic" means, either. | Mar 04 20:20 |
| Old_Man | Really, it is not that hard to look it up, to make sure you're not going all "1984 antagonist" :D | Mar 04 20:21 |
| Old_Man | We have the internet nowadays, to make these determinations easier. :D | Mar 04 20:21 |
| Old_Man | In case you had not noticed. :D | Mar 04 20:21 |
| CrystalMath | "Transphobia is a collection of ideas and phenomena that encompass a range of negative attitudes, feelings or actions towards transgender people or transness in general." | Mar 04 20:22 |
| Old_Man | Wrong. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transphobia says it is specifically irrational fear, aversion, or discrimination. | Mar 04 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Transphobia | Definition of Transphobia by Merriam-Webster | Mar 04 20:23 | |
| CrystalMath | Old_Man: i cited wikipedia | Mar 04 20:24 |
| CrystalMath | so we have conflicting entries in different dictionaries | Mar 04 20:25 |
| Old_Man | No you didn't. You didn't cite anywhere. :) But now that you have done so, we should point out that that's the reason why wikipedia's credibility has dropped so far on politicized issues. | Mar 04 20:25 |
| Old_Man | Because it lends itself to the exact Orwellian manipulation that bad people, like offensive bigot mgj59, engage in. | Mar 04 20:25 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: Perhaps you should read the definition of discrimination? | Mar 04 20:26 |
| gry | i'd suggest to not name call | Mar 04 20:27 |
| gry | it doesn't help anything | Mar 04 20:27 |
| gry | i'd even suggest mjg59 to retreat for now and wait for a moment when Old_Man is able to lead a civil discussion | Mar 04 20:27 |
| Old_Man | gry, good idea. Let's see if we can get anyone to apologize for name-calling "transphobic" before verifying their intention. | Mar 04 20:27 |
| gry | name calling has a target clearly said in the text, which this one doesn't | Mar 04 20:27 |
| Old_Man | Yes, that's also a good idea. Halting the false accusations and redefinition of terms for... what shall we say? Ten years? Maybe 20? | Mar 04 20:28 |
| gry | you can have it | Mar 04 20:28 |
| cybrNaut | Old_Man> I am offended and hurt by people who attempt to make words into "slurs" before consulting with the person who spoke it, to determine whether they intended it to be one. <= that's not how it works. A word /becomes/ a slur if it's commonly used in a condescending way. It's status as a slur doesn't change on-the-fly case-by-case based on how or who uses it (the N word is an exception). | Mar 04 20:28 |
| Old_Man | Hahahaha... "that's not how it works," except for when you declare it an exception? :D | Mar 04 20:28 |
| Old_Man | That's funny. | Mar 04 20:28 |
| gry | CrystalMath: hi | Mar 04 20:29 |
| CrystalMath | hi gry | Mar 04 20:29 |
| gry | CrystalMath: how are you? | Mar 04 20:29 |
| CrystalMath | i'm okay, you? | Mar 04 20:29 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: i think that sucks, it's not the words themselves we should look at, but the context behind them | Mar 04 20:29 |
| gry | CrystalMath: how are you | Mar 04 20:29 |
| cybrNaut | e.g. "brits" is not a slur. But if Brits go to war and their enemy calls them "Brits" in a condescending way, it becomes a slur thereafter. | Mar 04 20:29 |
| gry | CrystalMath: sorry, mis tabbed | Mar 04 20:29 |
| gry | CrystalMath: i just woke up, doing a few coding tasks | Mar 04 20:30 |
| cybrNaut | If someone naively uses a slur accidentally, it's still a slur and they should be corrected | Mar 04 20:30 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: tbh i think that's dumb and it's dumbing down our communication; we should look at the intention and not the word | Mar 04 20:30 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath: i didn't write these rules and conventions | Mar 04 20:31 |
| cybrNaut | it's how it is | Mar 04 20:31 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: screw the rules and conventions! | Mar 04 20:31 |
| CrystalMath | fight the power | Mar 04 20:31 |
| cybrNaut | if a word becomes a slur, stop using it | Mar 04 20:31 |
| CrystalMath | no! | Mar 04 20:31 |
| CrystalMath | be a rebel! | Mar 04 20:31 |
| CrystalMath | that said, the referenced post is still transphobic in its intention | Mar 04 20:33 |
| CrystalMath | i will agree that most people who use these so-called "slurs" often do have bad intentions in mind | Mar 04 20:33 |
| cybrNaut | Old_Man> Hahahaha... "that's not how it works," except for when you declare it an exception? :D <= the N word is an atypical case. You could say it's always a slur, but it's tolerated in many circumstances where it actually liberates the oppressed | Mar 04 20:33 |
| Old_Man | No it isn't. I've heard transvestites use "tranny" in exactly the same way. | Mar 04 20:34 |
| Old_Man | I would go so far as to say you're completely backwards wrong on that, and that almost *every* slur is *only* a slur because of intention. | Mar 04 20:34 |
| cybrNaut | nonesense | Mar 04 20:35 |
| cybrNaut | intent is subjective | Mar 04 20:35 |
| Old_Man | I'm sure if I were wrong, you'd have elucidated an intelligent argument otherwords, rather than just saying "nonsense." | Mar 04 20:35 |
| Old_Man | But you didn't, so I'm not wrong. | Mar 04 20:35 |
| CrystalMath | Old_Man: sadly one of my friends was actually k-lined from freenode for using the word "tranny" despite not having a bad intention; and i know him, he tends to change his mind on the thing, but generally does not have any LGBT-phobia i believe | Mar 04 20:35 |
| Old_Man | I think it's probable the k-liner just couldn't survive in a setting that abided by the Chicago Statement of Principles, so fell back on the totalitarian methods as described in Orwell's "1984." | Mar 04 20:36 |
| Old_Man | I'm quite adept at refuting *actual* bigots and racists and sexists, so if you encounter any, you don't need to beg some totalitarian powermonger to resolve the issue: just bring them to me. :) | Mar 04 20:37 |
| Old_Man | It's as I quoted earlier: "Our world is not divided by race, color, gender, or religion. Our world is divided into wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender, or religion." -Mohamad Safa | Mar 04 20:38 |
| CrystalMath | my friend was k-lined 3 times in total, and the other 2 times made sense, the first was him verbally abusing an ircop on purpose for some reason, and the second was related to his actual sexism problem | Mar 04 20:38 |
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| cybrNaut | Trump's world is divided by "race, color, gender, or religion." Division is a result of someones perception and actions. Anyone can divide. | Mar 04 20:39 |
| Old_Man | Well ircops on freenode do tend to be highly insecure and suffering from a desire from self-aggrandizement, as the role itself is kind of like being a beat cop: it attracts people who suffer from such insecurity. | Mar 04 20:39 |
| gry | i suspect you might have an interest in running an irc channel your way and show to others your principles there | Mar 04 20:41 |
| Old_Man | Oh YeAh BaBy! Trump-hatred-citing! When you see Trump's name brought up in a conversation that has absolutely zero to do with him, you know you're looking at someone who is attempting to participate in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Minutes_Hate | Mar 04 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Two Minutes Hate - Wikipedia | Mar 04 20:41 | |
| gry | what do you think? | Mar 04 20:41 |
| Old_Man | Show us how you scream and throw things at the telescreen :D | Mar 04 20:42 |
| CrystalMath | i rolled my eyes at the mention of Trump as well, but other than that it would sound like cybrNaut is agreeing with you, or am i getting this wrong? | Mar 04 20:42 |
| gry | CrystalMath: i think he's a bit deaf | Mar 04 20:42 |
| gry | CrystalMath: either that, or slow | Mar 04 20:42 |
| MinceR | gry: i am from hungary, unfortunately | Mar 04 20:44 |
| CrystalMath | also note that i say that my friend has a sexism *problem*, i do regard it as a disease, it harmed him more than anyone else in his life, and there are circumstances that may have caused it | Mar 04 20:44 |
| Old_Man | "Disease" doesn't mean, "anything that harms you," though. | Mar 04 20:44 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath: Old_Man believes there are no divisions based on "race, color, gender, or religion." I'm saying quite the opposite. Trump is a clear example. Under Trump, we are divided. But not just Trump.. anyone can divide | Mar 04 20:45 |
| Old_Man | Don't forget, we're coming off four years of people screaming false accusations against Trump, too. | Mar 04 20:45 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: yes but Old_Man said that fools divide and are divided, and i imagine you consider Trump and his supporters to be fools, IIRC | Mar 04 20:45 |
| Old_Man | Now, I hate to defend him, as I think he *is* an idiot, but most of the accusations of racism and homophobia I've seen against him were just plain false. | Mar 04 20:46 |
| cybrNaut | I can put a website on CloudFlare, and suddenly there is division: denied Tor users and served non-tor users. Anyone can create division of any kind | Mar 04 20:46 |
| Old_Man | Yes, Trump and many of his supporters are fools. But that doesn't mean that accusations of racism or homophobia are correct. | Mar 04 20:46 |
| Old_Man | The hate-screamers still need to provide evidence, and they usually didn't do that. | Mar 04 20:46 |
| CrystalMath | Old_Man: indeed... for a fool, he has made very few racist remarks | Mar 04 20:47 |
| cybrNaut | it's absurdly ignorant to say the contrary.. that no one causes division by "race, color, gender, or religion." | Mar 04 20:47 |
| mjg59 | He had to settle a lawsuit for racist discrimination in property rental | Mar 04 20:47 |
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| Old_Man | Trump was, for example, the very first person in the history of the entire universe to be elected a President of the United States while supporting marriage equality for homosexuals. | Mar 04 20:47 |
| CrystalMath | what about Obama's second term? | Mar 04 20:49 |
| CrystalMath | didn't he support it the second time around? | Mar 04 20:49 |
| Old_Man | I don't remember when Obama made his stupid "evolving" comment, but he was too scared to run for his first term while sticking up for equal treatment under the law for homosexuals, the way Trump did. | Mar 04 20:49 |
| CrystalMath | right, i remember he couldn't care less in 2008 | Mar 04 20:50 |
| CrystalMath | but probably very few politicians did | Mar 04 20:50 |
| Old_Man | It isn't that he didn't care; it's that he knew Democrats were every bit as bigoted in 2008 as the Republicans were. | Mar 04 20:51 |
| Old_Man | And they both still are; just they've shifted whom they believe it's okay to hate today. | Mar 04 20:51 |
| gry | MinceR: how is the pandemic in hungary? | Mar 04 20:51 |
| gry | MinceR: do many people there speak russian or it is rather uncommon? what second language is learned at schools? | Mar 04 20:52 |
| MinceR | gry: it is hard to know since the government impedes testing ("testing can't stop the pandemic") and lies about the numbers, but what we do know is pretty horrifying | Mar 04 20:52 |
| gry | interesting | Mar 04 20:52 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath> didn't he support it the second time around? <= yes, he got critisized for flipping on that, but IMO he was always tolerant of it but the public was not | Mar 04 20:52 |
| gry | so do they want people to stay home or something, MinceR? | Mar 04 20:52 |
| gry | what do they think will help to stop? | Mar 04 20:53 |
| MinceR | the government's alleged measures to fight the pandemic are either worthless or counter-productive, but certainly harmful to people | Mar 04 20:53 |
| MinceR | and especially harmful to people and groups the government is trying to destroy (e.g. local governments where the opposition won the election) | Mar 04 20:53 |
| cybrNaut | just like Lincoln & slavery.. he wanted to shut down the KKK, but the public hadn't evolved to that level yet | Mar 04 20:53 |
| MinceR | and they're about to add further restrictions soon, which will probably be catastrophical | Mar 04 20:53 |
| MinceR | they're trying to trick people into taking untested, uninspected alleged vaccines with no quality control that we know of | Mar 04 20:54 |
| MinceR | in an effort to suck up to xi jinping and putin | Mar 04 20:54 |
| MinceR | i don't think they really care if people stay home or not, they just want to pose as our heroic defenders while they abuse the hell out of the situation | Mar 04 20:54 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: also they tried to ban the existence of trans people | Mar 04 20:55 |
| MinceR | they've given corporations owned by orban's front man and friends as "aid" | Mar 04 20:55 |
| cybrNaut | Obama overturned don't-ask-don't-tell iirc | Mar 04 20:55 |
| CrystalMath | well, they did revoke all legal recognition | Mar 04 20:55 |
| MinceR | s/as/handouts &/ | Mar 04 20:55 |
| MinceR | they've changed the laws abusing the situation also | Mar 04 20:56 |
| cybrNaut | Obama endorsed gay marriage too => https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=ixhvEwQQO3w&local=true&quality=medium | Mar 04 20:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.fdn.fr | 'Gay Marriage ruling is a victory for America' Barack Obama - BBC News - Invidious | Mar 04 20:56 | |
| cybrNaut | If Trump were to attempt to hinder gay marriage, he would be *regressing*. The courage lies with making that change, not inertia of the status quo | Mar 04 20:59 |
| CrystalMath | Trump still gets the badge for second president of the united states to be elected while supporting gay marriage, and the first republican to do so | Mar 04 20:59 |
| CrystalMath | i guess it is a significant improvement for republicans | Mar 04 21:00 |
| cybrNaut | Trump simply didn't reverse that policy.. which would have escellated his bigotry perhaps to an unsustainable level. His xenophobia, Islamaphobia, white supremecy had his priority | Mar 04 21:01 |
| Old_Man | Those were all just false accusations, though. | Mar 04 21:03 |
| Old_Man | Everybody who says those things is just practicing Orwell's "Two Minutes Hate." | Mar 04 21:03 |
| CrystalMath | well he did want to build a wall... | Mar 04 21:03 |
| MinceR | he seems to have many followers who are practicing "Two Minutes Hate", then | Mar 04 21:04 |
| Old_Man | Like the immigration ban that NPR kept falsely calling, a "Muslim ban." It didn't ban Indonesia, where the largest number of Muslims come from; nor Pakistan, nor India, nor Saudi Arabia. It very simply WAS NOT a Muslim ban. | Mar 04 21:04 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: but then again, he was pictured holding an LGBT flag, and republicans nominated him and voted him in | Mar 04 21:04 |
| Old_Man | The wall was for keeping out the *criminals* from Mexico. Those who accused him of saying "all Mexicans are rapists" were WRONG. They were just lying, in their Two Minutes Hate. | Mar 04 21:04 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: that's got to be a sign of improvement among republicans regarding LGBT tolerance | Mar 04 21:04 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: He didn't say a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."? | Mar 04 21:05 |
| Old_Man | mjg59: of course not. That was made up by fucking liars. | Mar 04 21:05 |
| Old_Man | And is only repeated today by... fucking liars. | Mar 04 21:05 |
| cybrNaut | nonesense. xenophobia (plainly evident in his border policy that all xenophobes praise), Islamaphobia (proven by Trump's travel bans), white supremecy (scandals with his properties, criticism of BLM, inability to condemn Proud Boys, the Confederate flag-toting Capitol rioters that he summoned) | Mar 04 21:05 |
| Old_Man | It was a blatant misquotation for the purpose of spreading hate. | Mar 04 21:05 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: maybe he criticized those who looted under the guise of BLM instead | Mar 04 21:06 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: So what was the correct quote? | Mar 04 21:06 |
| Old_Man | And his comment about the North Carolina demonstrations, where he said "there are good people on both sides?" The Two Minutes Hate critics said he was saying that about white supremacists. But he was not. That was his critics being... fucking liars, again. | Mar 04 21:06 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: i find the argument that he's a white supremacist to be weak, but xenophobic and islamophobic does make sense given what we've seen | Mar 04 21:07 |
| Old_Man | The "good people on both sides" comment was about the *statue debate*, and he explicitly condemned white supremacists in the very next paragraph of the transcript. | Mar 04 21:07 |
| Old_Man | But fucking liars, like mjg59, continue to misquote him and they continue to destroy their own credibility, even while they CONTRIBUTE TO the credibility of Trump and his supporters! | Mar 04 21:07 |
| cybrNaut | https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-37230916 | Mar 04 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Drug dealers, criminals, rapists': What Trump thinks of Mexicans - BBC News | Mar 04 21:07 | |
| Old_Man | I really wish mjg59 and his fellow liars would stop that... Trump is an idiot. Stop building up his credibility by lying about him all the time. | Mar 04 21:08 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: Someone should really have told his campaign: http://web.archive.org/web/20160101173339/https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration | Mar 04 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration | Donald J Trump for President | Mar 04 21:08 | |
| CrystalMath | believing that foreigners are the cause of your problems is definitely kinda xenophobic | Mar 04 21:10 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: Would you like to apologise for calling me a liar? | Mar 04 21:10 |
| Old_Man | I'm sorry; what did you say that was true, again? | Mar 04 21:10 |
| mjg59 | That Trump said he was calling for ""a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on." | Mar 04 21:11 |
| Old_Man | And the link you posted attributed that to his campaign. Would you like to find a transcript? I'm having a hard time finding it at the moment. | Mar 04 21:12 |
| CrystalMath | yeah i didn't want to comment on that one, it definitely sounds like him and does expose a xenophobic mindset; though i still don't think he's also a white supremacist | Mar 04 21:12 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: He read the statement at a rally that night | Mar 04 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | it's on the page | Mar 04 21:13 |
| Old_Man | Yeah, help me find the transcript of that speech. | Mar 04 21:14 |
| CrystalMath | "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." | Mar 04 21:14 |
| CrystalMath | i also know that Trump was super big on israel, so i'm not surprised... it's quite possible he was pressured into this by Sheldon Adelson | Mar 04 21:16 |
| Old_Man | This one says it *was* there, but got scrubbed: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/muslim-ban-language-scrubbed-from-trump-campaign-website | Mar 04 21:16 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: 30:33 in https://www.c-span.org/video/?401762-1/presidential-candidate-donald-trump-rally-mount-pleasant-south-carolina | Mar 04 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com | 'Muslim ban' language scrubbed from Trump campaign website | Fox News | Mar 04 21:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Presidential Candidate Donald Trump Rally in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina | C-SPAN.org | Mar 04 21:16 | |
| CrystalMath | Old_Man: yeah it's possible that it was just put there by the PR guy who was pretty bad at his job | Mar 04 21:16 |
| CrystalMath | i wonder who it was | Mar 04 21:16 |
| Old_Man | So, I would have to apologize, if I were conversing with someone who had apologized for saying that I didn't know what "evidence" was, when I had stated my explicit agreement with the dictionary definition. | Mar 04 21:17 |
| CrystalMath | i read "Gage Skidmore" but that's a photographer | Mar 04 21:17 |
| Old_Man | But, let's just say that when Trump said "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States," what he *meant* was that he supported the serving of corned beef and sourkraut on rye. | Mar 04 21:17 |
| Old_Man | After all, that's how the redefinition of terms to make accusations works, right? | Mar 04 21:17 |
| mjg59 | Cool, so Trump said that | Mar 04 21:18 |
| CrystalMath | did he? or was it his campaign manager? | Mar 04 21:18 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: The words came out of his mouth | Mar 04 21:18 |
| CrystalMath | Mr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of | Mar 04 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trump | Mar 04 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | this is what the page quotes Trump on, while the line above isn't a direct quote | Mar 04 21:19 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: Watch the video I just linked to | Mar 04 21:19 |
| mjg59 | It's at 30:33 | Mar 04 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | okay let's see | Mar 04 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | hmm, very high quality, it will take a long time to download | Mar 04 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | let me see if there's multiple versions | Mar 04 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | ah, there are | Mar 04 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | trying -f hls-118 | Mar 04 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | (i use youtube-dl) | Mar 04 21:21 |
| CrystalMath | okay this will work | Mar 04 21:21 |
| CrystalMath | i have about 100 KB/s | Mar 04 21:21 |
| Old_Man | Okay, I got it. He did say it; he read it aloud. | Mar 04 21:23 |
| Old_Man | It was written in the third person, but he read it himself. | Mar 04 21:23 |
| cybrNaut | The literal interpretation of Trump's dog-whisle-laced weasel words is less interesting than the effect the words have. Xenophobes love Trump. White supremecists love Trump. Islamaphobes love Trump. Trump is vile to BLM advocates, pro-equal rights proponents, and poverty opponents (income equality advocates). | Mar 04 21:24 |
| Old_Man | Shame that we have to jump through so many hoops, because the person saying it has established such a reputation for being an outright fucking liar. | Mar 04 21:24 |
| CrystalMath | yep, heard it | Mar 04 21:25 |
| Old_Man | cybrNaut, but as you can see, most of the accusations made are just plain wrong. | Mar 04 21:25 |
| CrystalMath | it did sound like him :P | Mar 04 21:25 |
| Old_Man | He *did not* say all Mexicans are rapists, for example. He *did not* say he had ever "grabbed women by the pussy," for example. | Mar 04 21:26 |
| Old_Man | He *did not* say there are "good people on both sides" about white supremacists, for example. | Mar 04 21:26 |
| cybrNaut | Trump praised other white supremecists and xenophobes (Stephen Miller, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones) | Mar 04 21:26 |
| Old_Man | He *did not* tell anyone to drink bleach for COVID-19. | Mar 04 21:26 |
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| CrystalMath | what makes Alex Jones a white supremacist? | Mar 04 21:26 |
| CrystalMath | of the 3 i've only also heard of Rush Limbaugh, but i know he's some idiot from Bush's time | Mar 04 21:27 |
| Old_Man | Those are false accusations as well. | Mar 04 21:27 |
| CrystalMath | i think Alex Jones legitimately tries to be an alternative journalist, but his behavior just makes him look crazy | Mar 04 21:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, he suggested that bleach be _injected_ against COVID-19 | Mar 04 21:28 |
| CrystalMath | idk, maybe that's some publicity stunt | Mar 04 21:28 |
| MinceR | which is far more reasonable. | Mar 04 21:28 |
| Old_Man | MinceR: no, he certainly did not. That's a false accusation too. | Mar 04 21:28 |
| Old_Man | Go look at the transcript again. | Mar 04 21:28 |
| CrystalMath | he asked if they could use bleach in the body to kill SARS-CoV-2 | Mar 04 21:28 |
| CrystalMath | it was a question | Mar 04 21:28 |
| cybrNaut | https://activism.openworlds.info/media/48reuath3J78rX1FRWI <= find rush limbaugh | Mar 04 21:29 |
| Old_Man | That was just a false accusation that was recited over and over again by hate-screaming bigots practicing their "Two Minutes Hate" brainwashing, as depicted in George Orwell's famous dystopian novel, "1984." | Mar 04 21:29 |
| Old_Man | I seem to recall he said, "SOMETHING LIKE." Like, he wanted to see that kind of action in an injectable treatment. | Mar 04 21:29 |
| CrystalMath | he also asked about UV light | Mar 04 21:29 |
| CrystalMath | that one is actually not a dumb question | Mar 04 21:29 |
| CrystalMath | as UV light has been tested for this purpose | Mar 04 21:29 |
| MinceR | he sounds like someone who knows jack shit about medicine throwing shit at the wall in a failed attempt to sound smart | Mar 04 21:30 |
| Old_Man | Yeah, *can* we treat COVID-19 with ***SOMETHING LIKE*** a disinfectant action? | Mar 04 21:30 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it was still a question | Mar 04 21:30 |
| Old_Man | Right. He's an idiot. But not so big an idiot to suggest drinking bleach or injecting it. | Mar 04 21:30 |
| MinceR | and then his supporters scramble to make him look less like an idiot | Mar 04 21:30 |
| CrystalMath | can we nuke the hurricane? | Mar 04 21:30 |
| Old_Man | And his opponents scramble to make him look like an idiot by blatantly fucking lying about what he said. | Mar 04 21:30 |
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| Old_Man | To include Biden, who is the one who falsely claimed Trump said to drink bleach. | Mar 04 21:30 |
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| Old_Man | He's already an idiot, people. If you have to lie to criticize him, then you just make him look smarter. | Mar 04 21:31 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: really, Trump was pretty quiet when he asked that question, it did not sound like's trying to be authoritative on medicine | Mar 04 21:31 |
| MinceR | he did say something vague about injecting something | Mar 04 21:31 |
| CrystalMath | he unambiguously sounded like an idiot | Mar 04 21:31 |
| MinceR | but i guess the moral of the story is that if you're planning to lie, phrase it as a question. | Mar 04 21:32 |
| Old_Man | Yes, what he said was a *question* though. | Mar 04 21:32 |
| CrystalMath | and he was almost stuttering | Mar 04 21:32 |
| Old_Man | And he really did say "***SOMETHING LIKE****" | Mar 04 21:32 |
| cybrNaut | "i think Alex Jones legitimately tries to be an alternative journalist" <= you're a few documentaries short of having a clue. After he accused parents Sandy Hooks shootings of staging their child's deaths, his lawyer told the court he's an "actor" making a work of fiction | Mar 04 21:32 |
| CrystalMath | Old_Man: yeah, it sounded like desperation | Mar 04 21:32 |
| MinceR | and why did he ask these _questions_ standing at a pulpit, from someone apparently sitting next to that pulpit? | Mar 04 21:32 |
| CrystalMath | like for example, during a financial crisis, if someone said "huh, could be maybe do something like copy & paste on the money?" | Mar 04 21:33 |
| MinceR | cybrNaut: maybe being an "alternative journalist" depends on having "alternative facts" | Mar 04 21:33 |
| CrystalMath | *could we | Mar 04 21:33 |
| Old_Man | CrystalMath: and in that case, the answer is "yes;" that is indeed what they do. Is "something like" copoy-and-paste the money. | Mar 04 21:33 |
| Old_Man | So, that's malicious against savers, but it isn't wrong. | Mar 04 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | well technically bleach WILL kill COVID-19 if injected into the body | Mar 04 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | the host will not survive, though | Mar 04 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | but the virus will die, after the host dies, from lack of material | Mar 04 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | it's only a matter of time | Mar 04 21:35 |
| cybrNaut | MinceR: "alternative facts" is still a bit generous.. implies that those conpsiracy theories fell in his lap, as opposed to being entirely frabricated from thin air | Mar 04 21:35 |
| MinceR | cybrNaut: of course it's generous, it's their term :> | Mar 04 21:35 |
| MinceR | (not jones', but "republicans"') | Mar 04 21:35 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: so he's a fake? | Mar 04 21:35 |
| CrystalMath | that's kinda cool then, actually; he does a good job at acting | Mar 04 21:36 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath: absolutely. You really need to see some of the NPR documentaries on him. | Mar 04 21:36 |
| Old_Man | Alex Jones is almost as bad as NPR at just making shit up. | Mar 04 21:36 |
| Old_Man | Wait... NPR covered Alex Jones? :D | Mar 04 21:37 |
| Old_Man | What a clusterfuck that must be! :D | Mar 04 21:37 |
| MinceR | well, iirc when he got sued, he or his lawyer claimed he was just playing a character | Mar 04 21:37 |
| cybrNaut | Alex Jones started off like Rush, but was forced to gradually become more and more looney to get more interest. | Mar 04 21:37 |
| Old_Man | Alex Jones let Roger Ver shill for his namespace-collision-attack cryptocurrency. | Mar 04 21:37 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8 | Mar 04 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gay Frogs (Alex Jones REMIX) - YouTube | Mar 04 21:37 | |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPs3EeRyL9Y | Mar 04 21:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alex Jones DMT Remix - YouTube | Mar 04 21:38 | |
| cybrNaut | Alex Jones was competing with *himself*. Each conspiracy Theory had to be more wild than the previous one in order to keep the nutters glued to his shows | Mar 04 21:38 |
| Old_Man | Yeah, that's pretty much exactly the same as NPR. | Mar 04 21:38 |
| cybrNaut | he's completely unhinged | Mar 04 21:38 |
| cybrNaut | not at all like NPR, which is boring, dry, bland, news | Mar 04 21:39 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: So you wouldn't describe irrational discrimination against muslims to be islamophobic? | Mar 04 21:40 |
| cybrNaut | Alex Jones is so looney tunes bonkers as to say Hillary Clinton was running a pedo sex ring in the basement of a pizza parlor. One of his nutty listeners believed him, took a road trip to New York to visit the pizza shop, and busted in shooting, only to find that the place didn't even have a basement | Mar 04 21:43 |
| cybrNaut | Alex Jones was then forced to admit that his facts were a bit dodgy | Mar 04 21:44 |
| cybrNaut | that's when his lawyer said he's an actor and free speech allows him to produce a fictional work | Mar 04 21:45 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kAEoCHANYY | Mar 04 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Goblins (Alex Jones REMIX) - YouTube | Mar 04 21:45 | |
| Old_Man | mjg59: of course I would, where your use of the word "islamophobic" means, "mjg59 likes to touch children in the places their swimsuits cover." | Mar 04 21:45 |
| mjg59 | Wold you consider it to meet the defintion provided by Merriam-Webster? | Mar 04 21:46 |
| Old_Man | Oh, do you care about that now? :D | Mar 04 21:46 |
| MinceR | https://reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/popcorn_stephen_colbert.gif | Mar 04 21:47 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: i really wondered where that basement idea came from, so it was Alex Jones? | Mar 04 21:48 |
| cybrNaut | yes | Mar 04 21:48 |
| *CrystalMath doesn't really watch Alex Jones except for the funny bits | Mar 04 21:48 | |
| gry | MinceR: has your local area decided to stay home just for the sake of their own safety? | Mar 04 21:50 |
| gry | MinceR: they can just do the sensible thing even if the government doesn't call for it, you know | Mar 04 21:50 |
| MinceR | i certainly have, i'm not sure about my neighbors | Mar 04 21:51 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: You apparently do | Mar 04 21:51 |
| Old_Man | Very well; I'll be happy to have that conversation with anyone else who does, as well. | Mar 04 21:51 |
| gry | MinceR: you see it is double sided stick, on one side staying home would help heaps, on the other side I think it is just an exaggerated over-measured flu and the alarms are misplaced and designed to kill small business | Mar 04 21:51 |
| MinceR | i don't know about that, but i'd rather not take chances, especially on behalf of my mother | Mar 04 21:52 |
| Old_Man | But, you know, since you explicitly lied about my citation of Merriam-Webster definition 1 a of "evidence," you'll probably need to regain some credibility before anybody will care about your accusations. | Mar 04 21:52 |
| gry | MinceR: I would take it as opportunity to run a local ircd in your house if you have a static ip, and get your neighbours to join that | Mar 04 21:52 |
| MinceR | also, i'm pretty sure it's not a "flu" | Mar 04 21:52 |
| MinceR | "flu" is caused by influenzavirus, COVID-19 is caused by coronavirus | Mar 04 21:52 |
| gry | MinceR: as an opportunity to bring people onto something else than facebook etc | Mar 04 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | yeah, it's a cold instead | Mar 04 21:52 |
| MinceR | my neighbors are way too stupid to be able to use ircd | Mar 04 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | but in some people it develops into SARS | Mar 04 21:53 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: isn't SARS "just a cold"? | Mar 04 21:53 |
| mjg59 | My position: Trump announced a plan to engage in irrational discrimination against muslims. When inaugerated, he quickly passed an executive order that multiple courts agreed was discriminatory against muslims. It's legitimate to describe him as islamophobic. | Mar 04 21:53 |
| gry | MinceR: then host a webchat, or find some other communication protocol that would be more suitable | Mar 04 21:53 |
| CrystalMath | no SARS is not a virus, it's a syndrome | Mar 04 21:53 |
| Old_Man | mjg59: did he state any evidence to support his stance against muslim immigration? | Mar 04 21:54 |
| MinceR | gry: one of them prefers to "communicate" via drill or angle grinder or hammer | Mar 04 21:54 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath: Alex Jones had a large captive audience of right-wing nut jobs, which Trump highly prized. Trump appeared on his show, so Trump benefited from that platform | Mar 04 21:54 |
| MinceR | i wonder how they manage to fit more holes in their apartment at this point | Mar 04 21:54 |
| gry | hmm | Mar 04 21:54 |
| MinceR | maybe they also make concrete in their home so they have something to drill. | Mar 04 21:54 |
| CrystalMath | lol | Mar 04 21:54 |
| CrystalMath | i can imagine neighbors just | Mar 04 21:54 |
| CrystalMath | buying concrete slabs | Mar 04 21:54 |
| CrystalMath | and then drilling them | Mar 04 21:55 |
| gry | at least they're not a fireman, as thatd have them light fires in each part of their environment just to have something to extinguish | Mar 04 21:55 |
| gry | thats a plus | Mar 04 21:55 |
| MinceR | ah yes, home office for firemen | Mar 04 21:55 |
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| mjg59 | Old_Man: The only evidence provided was a set of poll numbers from an organisation run by one of the "Obama is muslim" conspiracy theorists. | Mar 04 21:56 |
| Old_Man | Which organization was that? | Mar 04 21:56 |
| mjg59 | The Center for Security Policy | Mar 04 21:56 |
| Old_Man | WRONG. He also cited the Pew research poll. | Mar 04 21:57 |
| cybrNaut | mjg59: and don't forget that middle name right-wingers like to use (Hussein) | Mar 04 21:57 |
| Old_Man | That's two more sources than you give for any of your opinions. :D | Mar 04 21:57 |
| Old_Man | So if he's actually looking at the polling data, then that's not "irrational." I don't *agree* with his policy decision, but no, that doesn't support "your position" as you gave it above. | Mar 04 21:57 |
| mjg59 | Old_Man: He referenced Pew, but did not actually provide any of their data | Mar 04 21:57 |
| cybrNaut | surely anyone with middle name Hussein must be muslim :) | Mar 04 21:58 |
| Old_Man | I think we should subject all Muslim immigrants, and all immigrants, with the kind of qualitative interviews Quebec does for their refugee applicants. | Mar 04 21:58 |
| Old_Man | Quebec tries to preserve their "unique culture" and limits refugee status to those who don't threaten it. But that means individual, one-on-one decision-making, where Trump supporters and haters alike try to make one-size-fits-everybody policies. | Mar 04 21:59 |
| cybrNaut | that's been tried. A middle eastern student was refused entry into the US because one of his Facebook friends said something anti-american | Mar 04 21:59 |
| cybrNaut | The student was accepted into Stanford | Mar 04 22:00 |
| cybrNaut | but blocked | Mar 04 22:00 |
| Old_Man | So I lump them all into the same boat together: the people screaming hatred about Trump, and making up false accusations and redefining terms in Orwellian totalitarianism, all suffer from the same kind of idiocy. | Mar 04 22:00 |
| Old_Man | Err, I meant to include "and Trump himself, and his supporters" | Mar 04 22:01 |
| cybrNaut | oops, guess it was Harvard => https://www.techspot.com/news/81644-harvard-student-denied-entry-us-over-friends-social.html | Mar 04 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techspot.com | Harvard student was denied entry in the US over friends' social media activity | Mar 04 22:02 | |
| cybrNaut | he was deported because of what a friend said | Mar 04 22:03 |
| Old_Man | Is that the kind of qualitative interview process to which Quebec subjects its refugees? | Mar 04 22:03 |
| cybrNaut | it's a Trump-era interview process | Mar 04 22:03 |
| Old_Man | So, no, it hasn't been tried yet? | Mar 04 22:03 |
| MinceR | does Quebec settle for snooping after people's friends on faecesbook too? | Mar 04 22:03 |
| cybrNaut | ...where they just get enough info to do poorly | Mar 04 22:03 |
| Old_Man | I'm not wholly opposed to blocking visas because of participation with America-hatred on social media; it shows they're not intelligent enough to use encrypted social media. :D | Mar 04 22:04 |
| MinceR | not all jobs need intelligent people though :> | Mar 04 22:05 |
| cybrNaut | Old_Man: getting more info doesn't help the problem of making poor decisions with the info you have-- it *worsens* it | Mar 04 22:05 |
| Old_Man | In that case it was probably just stupidity, but there are thousands more people standing in line behind that one person, so playing a bit "stupid" on the admissions process is acceptable. | Mar 04 22:05 |
| cybrNaut | give CBP more data, and they can react poorly in more situations | Mar 04 22:05 |
| Old_Man | cybrNaut, yeah, they should focus on the kind of information that matters. But that takes time and effort, and if people are just going to lie about your motivations anyway, and make up false accusations, why bother to expend the effort to do it right? | Mar 04 22:08 |
| cybrNaut | Quebec tries to preserve their "unique culture" <= that means maintain a homogeneos mono culture to American CBP | Mar 04 22:08 |
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| Old_Man | No, in practice, it usually means they have to speak french already. | Mar 04 22:08 |
| Old_Man | Which, of course, has nothing in common with American immigration policy. | Mar 04 22:09 |
| cybrNaut | bad idea | Mar 04 22:09 |
| cybrNaut | it's xenophobic to impose language on people | Mar 04 22:09 |
| Old_Man | No it isn't. It's quite rational. | Mar 04 22:10 |
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| cybrNaut | the US does not have an official language, which is one thing the US can be proud of while it lasts | Mar 04 22:10 |
| Old_Man | And it's not "imposing" a language on people; they're still free to *not* speak french somewhere else. | Mar 04 22:10 |
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| cybrNaut | it's imposing b/c you are forcing a language | Mar 04 22:10 |
| Old_Man | No they're not. | Mar 04 22:11 |
| cybrNaut | of course they would be | Mar 04 22:11 |
| Old_Man | Refugee applicants are still free to *not* speak french somewhere else. | Mar 04 22:11 |
| MinceR | what happens when they need to communicate with government officials and/or authorities? | Mar 04 22:11 |
| MinceR | are those all required to understand all languages used on Earth? | Mar 04 22:11 |
| Old_Man | Jesus, that's like trying to take over a Python mailing list and insisting that, because you can't talk about Perl, there, they're "xenophobic." | Mar 04 22:11 |
| cybrNaut | can someone pass your language test if they don't speak Engish? no? then you're imposing | Mar 04 22:12 |
| Old_Man | That's not what the word "xenophobic" means. | Mar 04 22:12 |
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| cybrNaut | @MinceR> what happens when they need to communicate with government officials and/or authorities? <= in the US, there is no restriction. The IRS provides tax forms in many languages | Mar 04 22:12 |
| Old_Man | But failing to do so is not "xenophobic." | Mar 04 22:13 |
| Old_Man | That's not what the word "xenophobic" means. | Mar 04 22:13 |
| MinceR | cybrNaut: but not all languages | Mar 04 22:13 |
| MinceR | does this mean a set of languages is, after all, "forced" on immigrants to the USA? | Mar 04 22:13 |
| Old_Man | And those kinds of false accusations are what build up Trump's credibility., | Mar 04 22:13 |
| cybrNaut | MinceR: of course there's a practical matter: if the gov office doesn't support your language, you won't get service unless you get a translator, and that's fair enough | Mar 04 22:13 |
| Old_Man | What year did Aesop commit his fable of "the boy who cried wolf" to history? | Mar 04 22:14 |
| MinceR | it might be a good idea to at least let those people know that if they immigrate into a given country without understanding any language widely used in there, they're going to run into problems :> | Mar 04 22:14 |
| cybrNaut | MinceR: there are regions in the US where languages like French and German are common. Tribal languages in some parts. And federally there is no official language | Mar 04 22:15 |
| Old_Man | Or, if you have a loooong long line of immigrants waiting to get in, move them to the back of the line 'til they learn the language. You can always let others in who *do* already speak the language. There's nothing irrational about that. | Mar 04 22:15 |
| cybrNaut | MinceR: i think ppl know what languages they'll be dealing with before they come | Mar 04 22:16 |
| cybrNaut | You can always let others in who *do* already speak the language. There's nothing irrational about that. <= you're advocating monoculture | Mar 04 22:16 |
| Old_Man | I also insist that they not be known murderers and rapists. "AdVoCaTiNg MoNoCuLtUrE!" | Mar 04 22:17 |
| CrystalMath | i dislike the extreme prevalence of english in the world, but i guess that's what countries are for | Mar 04 22:17 |
| cybrNaut | There's nothing irrational about tolerating different languages in a diverse 1st world country | Mar 04 22:17 |
| CrystalMath | i'm totally anti-globalist, btw, i think we should all live in tiny countries | Mar 04 22:17 |
| CrystalMath | and there should be like 10,000 countries | Mar 04 22:18 |
| MinceR | yes, with a size of 1 person | Mar 04 22:18 |
| Old_Man | cybrNaut, let me know how your campaign to convince Quebec to abandon their refugee policies work. | Mar 04 22:18 |
| CrystalMath | 10,000+ | Mar 04 22:18 |
| CrystalMath | the more the merrier | Mar 04 22:18 |
| *Old_Man clinks beer glasses with MinceR on that one | Mar 04 22:18 | |
| CrystalMath | yeah, what MinceR said would be ideal | Mar 04 22:18 |
| CrystalMath | but i just don't know if it's possible | Mar 04 22:18 |
| cybrNaut | Old_Man: let me know how your campaign to bring language protectionism to the US pans out | Mar 04 22:18 |
| MinceR | although if one was an anti-globalist, i guess this would imply no trade with anyone else | Mar 04 22:18 |
| MinceR | good thing i'm not an anti-globalist | Mar 04 22:19 |
| CrystalMath | huh? no | Mar 04 22:19 |
| CrystalMath | i'm against the formation of a global state | Mar 04 22:19 |
| Old_Man | cybrNaut, that's not my campaign. I pointed out that Quebec does it. | Mar 04 22:19 |
| cybrNaut | the US does not need a language war. It's petty enough to see other countries do it | Mar 04 22:19 |
| cybrNaut | Old_Man> cybrNaut, that's not my campaign. I pointed out that Quebec does it. <= you're advocating it | Mar 04 22:19 |
| Old_Man | cybrNaut, but I would choose different criteria. I would advocate that our immigration policy would use qualitative interviews, but for basic humanist ethics and entrepreneurial risk profile. | Mar 04 22:20 |
| cybrNaut | "entrepreneurial risk profile" <= IOW, brain drain, block the poor people | Mar 04 22:20 |
| Old_Man | Your failure is called the "straw man fallacy." You just put words into my mouth that I didn't say, because you're a fucking liar too. | Mar 04 22:21 |
| Old_Man | Is there anyone who shares your opinion who is *not* a fucking liar? | Mar 04 22:21 |
| Old_Man | And can I talk to them, instead of you? | Mar 04 22:21 |
| cybrNaut | this is where Europe is more socially responsible than the US. Europe opposes brain-draining immigration policies | Mar 04 22:21 |
| Old_Man | No, *not* "block the poor people," you lying piece of shit. | Mar 04 22:22 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: ha! that's a good one | Mar 04 22:22 |
| Old_Man | Stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say. | Mar 04 22:22 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: i live in a country from which people emmigrate to germany often, and i can tell you that's a lie | Mar 04 22:22 |
| CrystalMath | as for me, i don't care, i want to go to MEXICO :P | Mar 04 22:22 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath: you believe only highly skilled people get into Germany? | Mar 04 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | i KNOW only high skilled people get into germany | Mar 04 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | at least from my country | Mar 04 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | i'm probably a skilled person, having an M.Sc. | Mar 04 22:23 |
| Old_Man | I think the evidence from this channel is clear: those who sob and whine about "xenophobia" all seem to be 100% fucking liars. | Mar 04 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | but i couldn't care less about germany | Mar 04 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | i wouldn't go there if they threatened my life | Mar 04 22:24 |
| CrystalMath | nor anywhere in the EU | Mar 04 22:24 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath> but i couldn't care less about germany <= ok, but it's not about Germany. If Germany is brain-draining your country, it's bad for /your country/ | Mar 04 22:24 |
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| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: yeah, i know, but i'm just clarifying that i don't want to go there | Mar 04 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | i want to go to Mexico instead | Mar 04 22:25 |
| Old_Man | That was the explicit philosophy of East Germany, once upon a time. | Mar 04 22:25 |
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| Old_Man | What did they do to enforce their prohibition against "brain drain?" | Mar 04 22:25 |
| cybrNaut | the US has a reputation for brain draining.. grabbing everyone with high skill from 3rd worlds, which keeps them as 3rd worlds | Mar 04 22:25 |
| Old_Man | I forget. Can anyone refresh my memory, about what East Germany did to stop the "brain drain" to West Germany? | Mar 04 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: the UK and the EU do the same, to a great extent | Mar 04 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | they're a bit more lax than the US in general, that's all | Mar 04 22:26 |
| Old_Man | Gosh, it was just sooooo long ago, I almost can't remember! What was East Germany's strategy to stop the "brain drain" to West Germany? | Mar 04 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | so yeah sometimes poor people can get through, but it's also easier for highly skiled people to get through | Mar 04 22:26 |
| MinceR | Old_Man: they built a monument to how shitty life was in the russian empire | Mar 04 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | in the US it's just very hard to go there | Mar 04 22:27 |
| Old_Man | MinceR: and what was that monument, exactly? | Mar 04 22:27 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath: the EU has controls against brain draining... but policy isn't always the end of the story.. maybe policy is being circumvented | Mar 04 22:27 |
| MinceR | that is, if you accept that slaves escaping is "brain drain" | Mar 04 22:27 |
| MinceR | Old_Man: one or two walls | Mar 04 22:27 |
| Old_Man | THEY BUILT A WALL! | Mar 04 22:27 |
| MinceR | so? | Mar 04 22:27 |
| Old_Man | Congratulations, cybrNaut, you have achieved the "unity" Biden was asking for. | Mar 04 22:27 |
| Old_Man | You are now united with Trump's vision for how to prevent the kind of immigration you don't want to see. | Mar 04 22:28 |
| MinceR | Old_Man: what is the significance of that wall? | Mar 04 22:28 |
| CrystalMath | yeah Trump did kinda redirect a lot of the brain drain towards the EU | Mar 04 22:28 |
| CrystalMath | away from the US | Mar 04 22:28 |
| MinceR | is the EU on the other side of trump's wall? | Mar 04 22:28 |
| Old_Man | East Germany's wall was to keep people in. :) | Mar 04 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: yeah | Mar 04 22:29 |
| cybrNaut | Trump stated outright that he only wants immigrants that are highly skilled. | Mar 04 22:29 |
| MinceR | strange | Mar 04 22:29 |
| Old_Man | Walls to keep people out are generally more effective, because it implies the people inside those walls want to be there. | Mar 04 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: but in reality he made it hard even for those | Mar 04 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: while the EU didn't | Mar 04 22:29 |
| MinceR | yeah, the walls of the russian empire were supposed to keep people in and they were pretty heavily guarded | Mar 04 22:29 |
| MinceR | and a few people still got through | Mar 04 22:29 |
| MinceR | but at least it was an admission of the place being so bad you had to build a wall and guard it to keep the victims from running away | Mar 04 22:30 |
| MinceR | s/you/they/ | Mar 04 22:30 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: oh, and don't forget canada, there's LOTS of brain drain to canada | Mar 04 22:30 |
| Old_Man | The nice thing about "brain drain" is that it's pretty Darwinian and organic in nature. | Mar 04 22:31 |
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| MinceR | :> | Mar 04 22:31 |
| cybrNaut | @MinceR> is the EU on the other side of trump's wall? <= even the US is.. Trump famously commented that Colorado's southern border is where the wall will run, putting New Mexico on the non-US side :D | Mar 04 22:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 04 22:31 |
| Old_Man | Characteristics that drive "brain drain" are alterable. People can build skills, figure out for themselves if they want to solve problems in their current location or somewhere else. | Mar 04 22:32 |
| cybrNaut | and NM voted against him | Mar 04 22:32 |
| CrystalMath | NM should be returned to Mexico | Mar 04 22:32 |
| CrystalMath | as well as Alta California | Mar 04 22:33 |
| cybrNaut | Old_Man: it matters which side of the border those skills are developed. The US is better equipped to be the place where the skills are acquired | Mar 04 22:33 |
| MinceR | well, they can change that :> | Mar 04 22:33 |
| CrystalMath | yeah because we 3rd world people can totally pay for college there | Mar 04 22:33 |
| CrystalMath | really, i don't think it's good for the US to stop brain drain into the country | Mar 04 22:34 |
| CrystalMath | that drain is all they have | Mar 04 22:34 |
| CrystalMath | all the brains they have, i mean | Mar 04 22:34 |
| Old_Man | cybrNaut, don't you just craaaave the power to dictate that to people? | Mar 04 22:34 |
| Old_Man | Wouldn't it be *great* to tell people where they *have* to live and *have* to learn and *have* to exercise their entrepreneurial spirit? | Mar 04 22:34 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath> yeah because we 3rd world people can totally pay for college there <= Denmark is ideal, if you're an EU citizen, where school is gratis | Mar 04 22:35 |
| Old_Man | Wouldn't that kind of authority just give you an endorphine rush like no other? | Mar 04 22:35 |
| cybrNaut | the US hasn't figured out how to make higher education gratis for everyone yet | Mar 04 22:36 |
| Old_Man | Some of us have. Some of us have been working and contributing to open courseware for many years. | Mar 04 22:36 |
| cybrNaut | but there is gratis MIT OpenCoursewhere if you just want the knowledge w/out degree | Mar 04 22:37 |
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| gry | did anyone mirror the mit ocw to another server? | Mar 04 22:37 |
| Old_Man | But the principles of open courseware for education, which are *not* being used as extensively in the US as they should be, *could* also be used in any other country too. | Mar 04 22:37 |
| gry | or it's just them hosting it? | Mar 04 22:37 |
| Old_Man | Turns out, education and self-improvement can happen anywhere, and need not be subject to the "brain drain" worries and power-grabs of despot powermongers like cybrNaut. | Mar 04 22:38 |
| schestowitz__ | brexit caused brain drain | Mar 04 22:39 |
| schestowitz__ | some people I know left | Mar 04 22:39 |
| schestowitz__ | and won't come back | Mar 04 22:39 |
| schestowitz__ | never heard of someone who came here BECAUSE of Brexit | Mar 04 22:40 |
| schestowitz__ | neither skilled or lesser skilled | Mar 04 22:40 |
| Old_Man | Did immigration requests go up or down? | Mar 04 22:40 |
| schestowitz__ | no net benefit to it | Mar 04 22:40 |
| schestowitz__ | Old_Man: remember this is for EU | Mar 04 22:40 |
| schestowitz__ | so it has no legal impact on anything else | Mar 04 22:41 |
| schestowitz__ | outflow (people leaving) is the bigger issue | Mar 04 22:41 |
| psydroid | <schestowitz__ "woke up to realise GoogleTroll(T"> in order to distract from real issues, so you have to give to him that he has succeeded in his mission beyond his wildest dreams at least for today | Mar 04 22:41 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, it's the objective | Mar 04 22:41 |
| schestowitz__ | ruin forums by interjecting stuff into them | Mar 04 22:41 |
| cybrNaut | Old_Man: interesting spin, when a brain-drain policy is actually the policy of tyrannical elitists | Mar 04 22:41 |
| Old_Man | But I'm asking about people immigrating *into* the UK. | Mar 04 22:41 |
| schestowitz__ | >"I’ve killed at least two Mac conferences. [...] by injecting Microsoft content into the conference, the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this?" | Mar 04 22:42 |
| schestowitz__ | -Microsoft's chief evangelist | Mar 04 22:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Old_Man: no idea, but that says little about who wants to come in | Mar 04 22:42 |
| schestowitz__ | nations should strive to suck in talent, capital etc. | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz__ | even investors | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz__ | investment in uk collapsesd | Mar 04 22:43 |
| Old_Man | cybrNaut, my whole point is that "brain drain" is irrelevant because people can improve themselves, educate themselves, and solve their own problems no matter where they want to live. So *you* trying to control where people move just *because* people are skilled or educated *are* the "tyrannical elitist." | Mar 04 22:43 |
| *psydroid would probably have moved to the UK if Brexit hadn't happened | Mar 04 22:43 | |
| cybrNaut | Old_Man: the idea that someone who must work in a sweatshop 16 hrs/day can "improve themselves, educate themselves" is profoundly disconnected from reality. This is what elites tell themselves | Mar 04 22:44 |
| cybrNaut | living in perpetual poverty takes ~10 IQ off, automatically, as a consequence of the stressful circumstances | Mar 04 22:46 |
| Old_Man | And to what percentage of immigrants applying to immigrate to the US does that apply? | Mar 04 22:46 |
| schestowitz__ | psydroid: some wait for Scotland to leave UK | Mar 04 22:46 |
| schestowitz__ | and then join the EU | Mar 04 22:47 |
| schestowitz__ | then they can move their businesses to Scotland | Mar 04 22:47 |
| psydroid | I could live in Edinburgh, it's a nice city | Mar 04 22:48 |
| schestowitz__ | it is | Mar 04 22:48 |
| schestowitz__ | http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Edinburgh | Mar 04 22:49 |
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| *cybrNaut recalls an upper middle-class white collar right-wing American once saying: poor people are poor just because they don't invest their money wisely | Mar 04 22:49 | |
| cybrNaut | it's comparable to victim blame | Mar 04 22:49 |
| MinceR | maybe they call their own inheritance an "investment" | Mar 04 22:50 |
| cybrNaut | lol, yeah | Mar 04 22:50 |
| schestowitz__ | it's a lie rich people tell themselves | Mar 04 22:51 |
| schestowitz__ | at least the sicker ones | Mar 04 22:51 |
| schestowitz__ | usually sick with obsessions over money | Mar 04 22:51 |
| Old_Man | I think cybrNaut is just making up stories thought, to fit a narrative that isn't actually true. He just *really badly* wants to tell people where they should live, and how they should study, and that they all work 16-hour days in sweatshops. :D | Mar 04 22:57 |
| Old_Man | We've seen a few too many indications of lust for power, like the totalitarians in "1984." | Mar 04 22:57 |
| schestowitz__ | most rich people, very rich people, were rich to begin with | Mar 04 23:02 |
| schestowitz__ | it's a cycle | Mar 04 23:02 |
| Old_Man | Good thing wealth is not a zero-sum proposition. People can be rich without negatively affecting anyone else. Which means, their wealth can be used to meet the biological needs of their loved ones, their grand children, wider circles as they see fit... | Mar 04 23:03 |
| Old_Man | And people who *aren't* rich can, simultaneously, work to create value for each other, and they don't even have to interact with "the rich" at all, if they don't want to. | Mar 04 23:03 |
| MinceR | most rich people don't like that method, though | Mar 04 23:04 |
| Old_Man | So, if we all work to meet our own biological needs, our family's and loved ones' biological needs, expand our circles of support as we see fit, then everyone's needs can be met, and wealth and security can be built for everyone, without having to drive everything through jealousy and theft. | Mar 04 23:04 |
| Old_Man | MinceR: oh, you know most rich people? I would say I only know a tiny percentage of them. | Mar 04 23:05 |
| MinceR | i can see the works of most rich people | Mar 04 23:05 |
| cybrNaut | Trumpers think their guy was good at business, but actually his parents gave him a large inheritance.. he's proven to be an elitist and not that good at business (stock picks did no better that the indexes). Self-made wealth is what they should have looked at, if business accumen is really their focus | Mar 04 23:05 |
| MinceR | the way they get their wealth and the way they use it against other people | Mar 04 23:05 |
| Old_Man | cybrNaut's breaking out his "Two Minutes Hate" again. :D | Mar 04 23:05 |
| Old_Man | Too bad he already demonstrated that, every time he talks about Trump, he's a fucking liar. | Mar 04 23:06 |
| cybrNaut | "People can be rich without negatively affecting anyone else." <= bullshit. Bezo's wealth accumulation equals an avg salary for millions of ppl | Mar 04 23:06 |
| MinceR | strange, i, too seem to remember twitler inheriting a lot | Mar 04 23:06 |
| Old_Man | MinceR, I definitely agree in cases like Bill Gates's, but that's such a tiny minority. | Mar 04 23:06 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: what's negative about that? | Mar 04 23:06 |
| MinceR | i doubt it's a tiny minority | Mar 04 23:06 |
| CrystalMath | i mean, amazon is terrible, but you didn't really state why | Mar 04 23:07 |
| MinceR | seems more like every time this sort of thing is exposed it's the same old story | Mar 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | cybrNaut: bill gates went bankrupt | Mar 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | first company | Mar 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft was the second | Mar 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | wasn't even his | Mar 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | CO-founded | Mar 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | and it took off because of bill's mom | Mar 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | when the firm was struggling | Mar 04 23:07 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath> cybrNaut: what's negative about that? <= the pot of money is *finite*. If the $1 dollar bill isn't in one person's pocket, it's in someone elses | Mar 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | so it would have failed without billionaires propping it up with connections and capital | Mar 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | debunks the whole mythology around brilliance begets wealth | Mar 04 23:08 |
| Old_Man | cybrNaut, no, the pot of money is not finite. :D | Mar 04 23:08 |
| Old_Man | Nor is the capacity to meet each others' biological needs, either. | Mar 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | money does not exist :-) | Mar 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | it's a measure of purchasing power | Mar 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | in a finite planet | Mar 04 23:08 |
| Old_Man | Money is just a representative token of value, and the US Dollar is being inflated like crazy at the moment. | Mar 04 23:08 |
| Old_Man | But the value that money was *supposed* to represent, is also not finite. People can always cooperate to meet each others' needs in mutually-beneficial ways. | Mar 04 23:09 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath> i mean, amazon is terrible, but you didn't really state why => https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm (rap_sheets/Amazon.md) | Mar 04 23:09 |
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| MinceR | until rich and powerful people manipulate the state to ban those mutually beneficial cooperations | Mar 04 23:10 |
| Old_Man | Yep, that's blatantly unethical, but guess what: it's unethical when poor people do it too. | Mar 04 23:11 |
| MinceR | poor people don't get to do it, though | Mar 04 23:11 |
| Old_Man | Sure they do. | Mar 04 23:12 |
| Old_Man | They can vote. | Mar 04 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | "poor people" isn't a type of people | Mar 04 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | it's a condition | Mar 04 23:12 |
| Old_Man | And they do. They vote for their governments to pick winners and losers in the economy all the time. | Mar 04 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | caused by exploitation | Mar 04 23:12 |
| MinceR | and their vote usually has no effect | Mar 04 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | in nations of feudalism many are poor | Mar 04 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | just by the nature of the system | Mar 04 23:12 |
| Old_Man | Nah, poverty isn't even caused by exploitation. It's just the natural order of things: it's how Mother Nature makes us. It's how we're born. | Mar 04 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | poverty is not a choice | Mar 04 23:12 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: i absolutely disagree that the pot of money is finite, what on earth gave you that idea? | Mar 04 23:12 |
| MinceR | it has no effect in one-party systems and it tends to have practically no effect in two-party systems | Mar 04 23:12 |
| MinceR | strange, some people weren't born poor | Mar 04 23:13 |
| MinceR | like bill gates | Mar 04 23:13 |
| Old_Man | It's like darkness, or cold: they're things we dislike, but they aren't anyone's *fault*. We work to overcome darkness at night; we work to overcome cold that would kill us. We work to overcome poverty that would starve us. | Mar 04 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | many lack this privilege | Mar 04 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | some become fruit pickers at age 5 | Mar 04 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | no time to pick up a book | Mar 04 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | they help mama | Mar 04 23:14 |
| MinceR | is that what the redmond mafia does when it blocks would-be competitors from the market? | Mar 04 23:14 |
| Old_Man | Bill Gates was born without a single penny in his hand, same as me and you. The wealth he was given was given to him *by someone* and somewhere in that chain, someone had to produce value for someone else to create it. | Mar 04 23:14 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath: when you inflate money, it does not add to the total value. Scarcity reduces, so each dollar becomes worth less. You only have the illusion that you can infinitely print money | Mar 04 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | false | Mar 04 23:14 |
| MinceR | is that what dehomag/hedrat does when they infiltrate free software projects like debian to deny users choice? | Mar 04 23:14 |
| MinceR | bill gates was born to rich parents | Mar 04 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Old_Man: clue: Gates did not take a student loan to enroll at Harvard | Mar 04 23:14 |
| MinceR | his condition existed before he was born | Mar 04 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | he did not pay bail | Mar 04 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | when he was arrested | Mar 04 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | several times in fact | Mar 04 23:15 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: but value can be generated | Mar 04 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | it was his parents | Mar 04 23:15 |
| Old_Man | And how did they get rich? Maybe by stealing, which would be unethical. But their wealth had to be *created* by someone, at some point. | Mar 04 23:15 |
| CrystalMath | the world can and does get richer | Mar 04 23:15 |
| MinceR | generating value is hard, so most people who get a choice about it avoid it | Mar 04 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | banking, Old_Man | Mar 04 23:15 |
| Old_Man | It did not naturally exist; someone created value at some point. | Mar 04 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | and state connections | Mar 04 23:15 |
| MinceR | and they instead take value from others or outright destroy value | Mar 04 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | check the Maxwells | Mar 04 23:15 |
| MinceR | Old_Man: someone having value doesn't mean they created it | Mar 04 23:16 |
| CrystalMath | voluntary exchange is always positive for both sides | Mar 04 23:16 |
| Old_Man | MinceR: correct. But it means *someone* did. | Mar 04 23:16 |
| CrystalMath | like i'm going to voluntarily give up $60 for an old motherboard tomorrow | Mar 04 23:16 |
| MinceR | and there is nothing voluntary about the microshit tax | Mar 04 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Gary Kildall did not have a patent in IBM Board | Mar 04 23:16 |
| CrystalMath | i think that motherboard is better to me than that $60 | Mar 04 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | *parent | Mar 04 23:16 |
| CrystalMath | so i gain | Mar 04 23:16 |
| CrystalMath | and the seller thinks the $60 is better to him, so he gains | Mar 04 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | who was there not because of skills | Mar 04 23:16 |
| MinceR | i won't get to buy a new laptop anytime soon since apparently the nazis are planning to shut down shops | Mar 04 23:17 |
| CrystalMath | win win | Mar 04 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | but because of connections, dynasty | Mar 04 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | "pedigree" | Mar 04 23:17 |
| MinceR | and so even if i have one shipped, i'll have trouble with any warranty claims | Mar 04 23:17 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: eh, this is a used board actually, it's a direct exchange :P | Mar 04 23:17 |
| CrystalMath | so not store-related | Mar 04 23:17 |
| CrystalMath | as far as i'm concerned i would shut down the computer stores that exist now, they're all TERRIBLE | Mar 04 23:17 |
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| CrystalMath | and they sell crap | Mar 04 23:17 |
| MinceR | do you have a chip fab at home? | Mar 04 23:18 |
| CrystalMath | no | Mar 04 23:18 |
| CrystalMath | i rely exclusively on 10+ year old hardware | Mar 04 23:18 |
| MinceR | neither do i | Mar 04 23:18 |
| CrystalMath | which i constantly buy | Mar 04 23:18 |
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| MinceR | so i'm stuck with buying stuff made by others | Mar 04 23:18 |
| CrystalMath | that's fine but i only buy old stuff | Mar 04 23:18 |
| CrystalMath | there used to be great stores, but they were small ones | Mar 04 23:19 |
| CrystalMath | the large stores ran by criminals just destroyed them | Mar 04 23:19 |
| CrystalMath | so i don't care about them | Mar 04 23:19 |
| CrystalMath | now i buy from independent sellers in person, with cash | Mar 04 23:19 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath> i rely exclusively on 10+ year old hardware <= the increasing abusive overuse of rampant javascript makes that unsustainable | Mar 04 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | use gemini and email | Mar 04 23:21 |
| *cybrNaut 's 12 y.o. machine occasionally gets brought to its knees by javascript | Mar 04 23:21 | |
| schestowitz__ | 128 of RAM would do | Mar 04 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | 128MB | Mar 04 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | irc is about 5MB of RAM | Mar 04 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | xchat for example is light | Mar 04 23:21 |
| cybrNaut | schestowitz__: what's gemini? | Mar 04 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | openbox, gnu, linux... | Mar 04 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | not sure what linux the kernel now takes | Mar 04 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | with systemd RAM doesn't seem to be the main bottleneck | Mar 04 23:22 |
| Old_Man | I do most of my web surfing on sites that don't require javascript to get the useful information, so 99% of surfing, I leave NoScript turned on. | Mar 04 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | but it takes ages to start and shut down | Mar 04 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | esp. on older machines | Mar 04 23:22 |
| cybrNaut | gemini is a linux alternative? | Mar 04 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | cybrNaut: http://techrights.org/gemini | Mar 04 23:23 |
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| Old_Man | I get weather from weather.gov; bitcoin prices from bitinfocharts.com. | Mar 04 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | browsers alone would take over 100MB of RAM | Mar 04 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | for a cold start | Mar 04 23:23 |
| Old_Man | One annoying thing is that my state only publishes its COVID-19 data on Google Drive, so I *have* to turn on javascript just for that one task. | Mar 04 23:23 |
| Old_Man | But, as soon as I download the dumps of their spreadsheets, I can kill that browser sandbox. | Mar 04 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Old_Man: can you not curl/wget it? | Mar 04 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | or maybe some python tools | Mar 04 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | scrapers of Google Drive | Mar 04 23:24 |
| cybrNaut | i've seen a Pleroma page rob me of ~124mb ram just for the browser tab | Mar 04 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | twitter is worse | Mar 04 23:24 |
| Old_Man | There might be some magic recipe for that, but it isn't obvious. They are Google spreadsheets that "let you" download a .csv export, but accessing it in the first place, and getting the .csv conversion, requires javascript as far as I know. | Mar 04 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | awful | Mar 04 23:25 |
| Old_Man | schestowitz__: see "nitter" for a javascript-free way to load twitter links. | Mar 04 23:25 |
| Old_Man | nitter.net | Mar 04 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | they will shut it down | Mar 04 23:25 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: my browser is elinks, compiled with --disable-spidermonkey | Mar 04 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | when it becomes more widely used | Mar 04 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | more api blocks and stuff | Mar 04 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | or ip blocks | Mar 04 23:25 |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: no javascript ever! | Mar 04 23:25 |
| CrystalMath | i only run 90s software | Mar 04 23:25 |
| Old_Man | schestowitz__: not too many people like us care about security, so we'll probably remain below the radar for some time... but, check out their git repository; there are many instances of nitter running on other domains as well. | Mar 04 23:26 |
| Old_Man | It's a pretty good workaround. | Mar 04 23:26 |
| Old_Man | Kinda like youtube-dl for twitter. :) | Mar 04 23:26 |
| danielinux | https://mamot.fr/@jz/105791179208136173 | Mar 04 23:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Jérémie Zimmermann 🎶💗🧀: "When researchers find a flaw in the way #Signal #…" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fédéré | Mar 04 23:26 | |
| psydroid | 10 years: bought top-notch hardware, can do everything smoothly, best computer I've ever had by far | Mar 04 23:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Old_Man: Twitter will find a way | Mar 04 23:27 |
| psydroid | now: that system is crap, can't even browse news sites and fakebook is so slow, need a new fast computer to run my super duper dos emulator with 144 fps | Mar 04 23:27 |
| schestowitz__ | over time they shut off more 3rd parties | Mar 04 23:27 |
| MinceR | twitter, uh, finds a way | Mar 04 23:27 |
| schestowitz__ | or they will file lawsuits | Mar 04 23:27 |
| schestowitz__ | see the linkedin lawsuits | Mar 04 23:27 |
| schestowitz__ | over scraping | Mar 04 23:27 |
| psydroid | 10 years ago* | Mar 04 23:28 |
| Old_Man | schestowitz__: perhaps they'll care about us someday and put some effort into extracting $0.02 in ad revenue from us, but in the meantime, you might want to let people know they don't have to run javascript from twitter, just to see a link someone sent you. | Mar 04 23:28 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't want twitter or a gateway to it | Mar 04 23:29 |
| schestowitz__ | because we need to make twitter over | Mar 04 23:29 |
| schestowitz__ | or obsolete | Mar 04 23:29 |
| schestowitz__ | it's picky who stays there | Mar 04 23:29 |
| Old_Man | Technically it was obsolete before it even started... | Mar 04 23:29 |
| danielinux | https://lemmy.ml/post/55595 | Mar 04 23:29 |
| psydroid | CrystalMath, your OS design and implementation skills are needed to make software not suck :D | Mar 04 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lemmy.ml | Signal Server is effectively closed source software right now - Lemmy | Mar 04 23:29 | |
| schestowitz__ | more so in recent months | Mar 04 23:29 |
| Old_Man | Any medium that isn't an obvious improvement over the old Unix utilities like "talk" and "finger" are already obsolete at birth. ;) | Mar 04 23:29 |
| schestowitz__ | psydroid: approved by regime change maniac | Mar 04 23:30 |
| CrystalMath | psydroid: i'm not alone, check out suckless.org | Mar 04 23:30 |
| schestowitz__ | musk who wants to attack a country to rob it off its natural resources, which he profits from | Mar 04 23:30 |
| schestowitz__ | techrights-bot and techrights-ipfs are suckless | Mar 04 23:30 |
| MinceR | which country? | Mar 04 23:31 |
| cybrNaut | is there a WriteFreely-like markdown blogging service that supports Gemini? | Mar 04 23:37 |
| schestowitz__ | good question | Mar 04 23:44 |
| schestowitz__ | if not, we can write one | Mar 04 23:44 |
| schestowitz__ | gemtext is very simple | Mar 04 23:44 |
| schestowitz__ | so writing anything with or for it is simple | Mar 04 23:44 |
| cybrNaut | CrystalMath: this is the proper Amazon link (i think there was a problem with the earlier link I mentioned): https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm/src/branch/master/rap_sheets/amazon.md | Mar 04 23:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm: Information and tools to facilitate ethical consumption of goods and services. - rap_sheets/amazon.md at master - liberethos_paradigm - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea | Mar 04 23:46 | |
| CrystalMath | cybrNaut: i 100% agree with all this | Mar 04 23:49 |
| CrystalMath | the only good amazon is the river | Mar 04 23:49 |
| CrystalMath | (but i don't think value in general is fixed in place) | Mar 04 23:52 |
| cybrNaut | par 6.vii (The Tyranny of Convenience) is a good read if you have time | Mar 04 23:57 |
| cybrNaut | problem is, the people who can't be bothered to read that Tim Wu essay are probably the ones who most need to read it | Mar 04 23:58 |
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