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| MinceR | Xonotic hasn't moved yet officially | Jun 17 00:01 |
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| MinceR | they were waiting for a Matrix bridge which was already sorted out, afaik | Jun 17 00:01 |
| MathAmphetamine | ReactOS is going to leave IRC | Jun 17 00:04 |
| sebsebsebseb | DaemonFC: techrights was happy on the new Freenode or so I thought | Jun 17 00:04 |
| sebsebsebseb | MathAmphetamine: completly? that would be ashame | Jun 17 00:04 |
| sebsebsebseb | MathAmphetamine: been to the react os stand in brussels the last few years it was on, that was something :) | Jun 17 00:05 |
| *MathAmphetamine is now known as CrystalMath | Jun 17 00:05 | |
| DaemonFC | ReactOS set out to clone Windows 95 and 26 years later, I hear they're very close. | Jun 17 00:05 |
| XRevan86 | MathAmphetamine: ugh | Jun 17 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | ReactOS uses Mattermost primarily | Jun 17 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | They were pitching the idea to Pretend Russian President stand-in Medvedev of state funding at one point. | Jun 17 00:06 |
| XRevan86 | They did. Whatever. | Jun 17 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | The funny part is it wouldn't be a bad idea for the Russian government to fund it. | Jun 17 00:06 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I doubt it. | Jun 17 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | Running Windows is more expensive and not in their best interests. | Jun 17 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | It's also a treadmill. You build anything for it and then "upgrade" and it stops working even though Windows itself is not more useful. | Jun 17 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: A buggy Windows knock-off is not it either. | Jun 17 00:08 |
| MinceR | windows knock-offs are expected to be buggy | Jun 17 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | I got put in the doghouse early on for a middling review of Windows Me. | Jun 17 00:08 |
| MinceR | they wouldn't be like the original otherwise | Jun 17 00:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They're differently buggy, which is not right. | Jun 17 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | The problem of System File Protection wasn't that Microsoft did it. It's that they weren't doing it all along. | Jun 17 00:09 |
| MinceR | indeed, but bugs are difficult to copy | Jun 17 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | Applications got used to dll stomping being allowed, and then they all did it, and then there was a complete mess, and by the time Microsoft did anything about it, the solution broke those programs. | Jun 17 00:09 |
| MinceR | ah, salix _did_ move, but they didn't announce it on their IRC channel | Jun 17 00:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's prudent :) | Jun 17 00:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 17 00:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Messages aren't logged, so that's the usual approach for announcement. | Jun 17 00:13 |
| XRevan86 | just cast everyone and tell | Jun 17 00:13 |
| XRevan86 | if ye're not there for it, then tough | Jun 17 00:13 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/06/jingos-crowdfunding-campaign-is-live | Jun 17 00:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | JingPad Linux Tablet Crowdfunding Campaign is Now Live - OMG! Ubuntu! | Jun 17 00:13 | |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: that looks interesting :) | Jun 17 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | That idiot that Roy linked to..... | Jun 17 00:13 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: it's a bit Apple inspired though :D | Jun 17 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | The fact that China isn't running laps around the UK with an aircraft carrier right now doesn't mean they have no aggressive ambitions. | Jun 17 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | It means they're patient enough to wait until the west finishes self-destructing before they move in further. | Jun 17 00:14 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #JingPad #Linux Tablet Crowdfunding Campaign is Now Live http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152315#comment-29962 | Jun 17 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Crowdfunding for the JingPad A1 Linux tablet begins | Tux Machines | Jun 17 00:14 | |
| sebsebsebseb | DaemonFC: yep to get people like me using the tablet that's the agreesive strategy LOL | Jun 17 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | If you start acting aggressive while other countries can still stop you, then scrapping their military to save money in the national budget becomes impossible to sell to the public. | Jun 17 00:15 |
| schestowitz | good to see China taking gnu/linux forward | Jun 17 00:15 |
| schestowitz | but... not sure how "freedom-respecting" this is | Jun 17 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | I saw a report about the UK losing blue sea navy capabilities by the middle of the century. | Jun 17 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | But it could happen sooner, I suppose. | Jun 17 00:16 |
| sebsebsebseb | schestowitz: exactly indeed looks like some bits witll be propritary etc, when you read the blog post | Jun 17 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | They're like Illinois the country, really. | Jun 17 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | Like most countries in Western Europe. | Jun 17 00:16 |
| MinceR | sebsebsebseb: what's crApple-inspired about that? | Jun 17 00:17 |
| sebsebsebseb | schestowitz: uh did you just take the story from my shared ink etc, and put on tux machines ? | Jun 17 00:17 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: the way the interface is like in some ways, that's one thing I think | Jun 17 00:17 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: its supooused to be a bit like a Ipad, but running Linux, and then can even do android apps some how it seems | Jun 17 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | Too much government manipulation in the economy. That goes on in a lot of places because they have lobbyists and pressure to make employment numbers not look fucking terrible even though they gave away their industry. | Jun 17 00:17 |
| MinceR | i see the driver situation isn't exactly great | Jun 17 00:18 |
| MinceR | with the JingPad | Jun 17 00:18 |
| MinceR | maybe the PineTab is better | Jun 17 00:18 |
| schestowitz | https://krita.org/en/item/developer-chat-moving/ | Jun 17 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org | Developer chat moving | Krita | Jun 17 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | x https://www.c4isrnet.com/opinion/2021/06/15/the-growing-threat-of-european-tech-regulation-on-us-innovation/ | Jun 17 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.c4isrnet.com | The growing threat of European tech regulation on US innovation | Jun 17 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | BS lobbying | Jun 17 00:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's not interesting. The interesting ones are the ones that stayed. | Jun 17 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | The driver situation usually isn't great on any OS. Either the vendor halfasses their own proprietary driver and then gives up as soon as they're not making more money off that piece of hardware, or they do an open source driver but don't document what any of it means and do call outs to binary firmwares that nobody is allowed to decompile. | Jun 17 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | Like Nvidia on the first half and Intel on the other. | Jun 17 00:19 |
| XRevan86 | Not staying is the default. | Jun 17 00:19 |
| MinceR | lol @ screen dimming despite mouse being moved all the time | Jun 17 00:19 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: what on the tablet or ? | Jun 17 00:20 |
| MinceR | yes | Jun 17 00:20 |
| sebsebsebseb | oh | Jun 17 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | I can do better. Windows not accepting my fingerprint about 10% of the time my screen has been locked. | Jun 17 00:20 |
| sebsebsebseb | I think it would be intersging device to have but it'sl ike 500 pounds | Jun 17 00:20 |
| sebsebsebseb | looks like it will happen though | Jun 17 00:20 |
| sebsebsebseb | since all the interest in the crowd fund they already had and such | Jun 17 00:20 |
| sebsebsebseb | apparnatly some of the hardware in it is a bit 2017 though | Jun 17 00:20 |
| MinceR | UI looks like KDE | Jun 17 00:21 |
| sebsebsebseb | also no joey on omgubuntu it's not just a 99 dollar t shirt, it's a meal wit hthe developrs it turns out too :) | Jun 17 00:21 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: yes it's meant to be like KDE | Jun 17 00:21 |
| MinceR | including those annoying fullscreen splash screens every time you start something :> | Jun 17 00:21 |
| sebsebsebseb | as well | Jun 17 00:21 |
| schestowitz | in a moment I'll post tons of linux news... must catch up after being away for many hours | Jun 17 00:22 |
| schestowitz | users in freenode now up to 60 | Jun 17 00:22 |
| phobos/fn | lol | Jun 17 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | This Microsoft D3D 12 Mesa thing is quite troubling. | Jun 17 00:22 |
| schestowitz | from around 50 yesterday | Jun 17 00:22 |
| schestowitz | 85 or 84 two days ago | Jun 17 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | That a project lets itself be used like this, where there's no possible FOSS use case for this state tracker. | Jun 17 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | It could only possibly benefit Microsoft. | Jun 17 00:23 |
| sebsebsebseb | main Linux related news is that Mincer is going to get rid of all his Linux installs, since he can't be bothered anymore with a non system d system anymore, and he is going to switch to Apple Mac OS X as his full time OS for a laugh | Jun 17 00:23 |
| MinceR | that makes a lot of sense | Jun 17 00:23 |
| MinceR | sebsebsebseb: so, when did crApple adopt systemd? | Jun 17 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | They use "LaunchD". | Jun 17 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu glossed it over and declared it unsuitable back in 2006. | Jun 17 00:24 |
| MinceR | launchd is not the same | Jun 17 00:24 |
| sebsebsebseb | oh yeah he's poor in Hungary too, so on top of that, it's a older Mac with a older version of Mac OS X | Jun 17 00:25 |
| MinceR | i'm not so poor that i couldn't buy all the crApple products | Jun 17 00:26 |
| MinceR | i just don't like spending my money on shit | Jun 17 00:26 |
| schestowitz | what is launchd? | Jun 17 00:27 |
| schestowitz | serious question btw | Jun 17 00:27 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: nope your own personal shit is free I think, hey DaemonFC want some of it :D ? | Jun 17 00:28 |
| MinceR | crApple's "init system" that tries to do too much | Jun 17 00:28 |
| MinceR | one of the inspirations for systemd | Jun 17 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | No, you might be thinking of Service Management Framework from Solaris. | Jun 17 00:28 |
| MinceR | jordan hubbard wanted FreeBSD to adopt it | Jun 17 00:28 |
| techrights-bot/fn | They mean cracking https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-hacking-technology-business-7350235e07d46ba5afc1238b553ea4b9 | Jun 17 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | Critical entities targeted in suspected Chinese cyber spying | Jun 17 00:28 | |
| MinceR | yeah, that's another one | Jun 17 00:28 |
| CrystalMath | hey does this server do SASL? | Jun 17 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, it does. | Jun 17 00:29 |
| CrystalMath | nice, i'll set it up | Jun 17 00:29 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebsebseb: It's hard to be happy about freenode right now. | Jun 17 00:30 |
| MinceR | seems to me many people are happy about it | Jun 17 00:30 |
| sebsebsebseb | XRevan86: wel we dind't expect him to just get rid of all the old stuff nope | Jun 17 00:30 |
| sebsebsebseb | schestowitz: why didn't you switch techrights to libera ? | Jun 17 00:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Really? Who? | Jun 17 00:30 |
| CrystalMath | i want to install hyperion-ircd to experience memories | Jun 17 00:30 |
| CrystalMath | sebsebsebseb: screw illibera | Jun 17 00:30 |
| sebsebsebseb | CrystalMath: why ? | Jun 17 00:30 |
| CrystalMath | RMS haters, anti-free-speech idiots | Jun 17 00:30 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: people on illibera | Jun 17 00:30 |
| sebsebsebseb | CrystalMath: who ? | Jun 17 00:31 |
| CrystalMath | sebsebsebseb: liberians, that's who | Jun 17 00:31 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: most people on freenode went there | Jun 17 00:31 |
| CrystalMath | sebsebsebseb: and that's a shame | Jun 17 00:31 |
| CrystalMath | running into the hands of oppressors | Jun 17 00:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah, not sure if they're happy about their old work just turning to dust. | Jun 17 00:31 |
| MinceR | not the staff | Jun 17 00:31 |
| MinceR | though i suppose the old staff are also happy to see freenode suffer | Jun 17 00:32 |
| CrystalMath | i'm going to set up on localhost a little hyperion-ircd | Jun 17 00:32 |
| techrights-bot/fn | A @PINE64 June update: new hardware and more on the way https://odysee.com/@PINE64:a/june-update-new-hardware-and-more-on-the:e #gnu #linux | Jun 17 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | June update: new hardware and more on the way | Jun 17 00:32 | |
| CrystalMath | and i'm going to recreate freenode from 2008 on it | Jun 17 00:32 |
| sebsebsebseb | CrystalMath: RMS haters aye | Jun 17 00:32 |
| sebsebsebseb | no mostp eopel respct him | Jun 17 00:32 |
| CrystalMath | if someone has a motd from then, paste it to me please | Jun 17 00:32 |
| sebsebsebseb | int open source | Jun 17 00:32 |
| sebsebsebseb | i think | Jun 17 00:32 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #finland out to delete #ProprietarySoftware as a start... https://www.lvm.fi/en/-/european-cooperation-in-cyber-security-increases-proposal-on-finland-s-coordination-centre-sent-out-for-comments-1374175 | Jun 17 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lvm.fi | European cooperation in cyber security increases, proposal on Finland’s Coordination Centre sent out for comments - Ministry of Transport and Communications | Jun 17 00:32 | |
| CrystalMath | sebsebsebseb: libera staff signed the letter against RMS | Jun 17 00:32 |
| CrystalMath | sebsebsebseb: libera staff said they want to ban people who say the US election was stolen | Jun 17 00:33 |
| CrystalMath | well one person | Jun 17 00:33 |
| sebsebsebseb | CrystalMath: what so where did free software founadtion go to on irc then ? | Jun 17 00:33 |
| CrystalMath | sadly there | Jun 17 00:33 |
| MinceR | there are some people spamming channels about freenode and illibera with some crap | Jun 17 00:33 |
| sebsebsebseb | really hmm | Jun 17 00:33 |
| CrystalMath | but they put themselves into the hands of oppressors | Jun 17 00:33 |
| MinceR | the FSF ran into the arms of their enemies | Jun 17 00:34 |
| MinceR | their founder was cancelled once already, they didn't learn from that | Jun 17 00:34 |
| sebsebsebseb | seems the world is a it mesesd up right now in certina weyas | Jun 17 00:34 |
| MinceR | i guess we'll have to reorganize what's left of the movement in cells | Jun 17 00:34 |
| sebsebsebseb | the covid stuff | Jun 17 00:34 |
| sebsebsebseb | in the UK, maybe something I read earlier to do iwth co op and gb neews new channel not sure, need to read more into that | Jun 17 00:34 |
| sebsebsebseb | in Engalnd our freedom day of June 21st nope | Jun 17 00:34 |
| sebsebsebseb | July 29th instead apparnatly | Jun 17 00:35 |
| sebsebsebseb | some indina strain going aroudn despite how most people stayedi nside the country | Jun 17 00:35 |
| sebsebsebseb | indian | Jun 17 00:35 |
| sebsebsebseb | and then all this IRCrubbish too to do with Freenode as well | Jun 17 00:35 |
| sebsebsebseb | so I am on three networks right now instead ofo ne | Jun 17 00:35 |
| sebsebsebseb | here | Jun 17 00:35 |
| sebsebsebseb | libera | Jun 17 00:35 |
| sebsebsebseb | the new freenode | Jun 17 00:35 |
| sebsebsebseb | yes konversation can do more than one network, but easier to just be on one network | Jun 17 00:36 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebsebseb: The way the channels I'm in are, I'm on two networks. | Jun 17 00:36 |
| MinceR | sebsebsebseb: is that a significant load for your computer? | Jun 17 00:36 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: yep since I run the leaked version of Mincer OS | Jun 17 00:36 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: it works rather rubbishey | Jun 17 00:36 |
| MinceR | i'm on 11 networks | Jun 17 00:37 |
| MinceR | load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.00 | Jun 17 00:37 |
| sebsebsebseb | it can just abuot handle being on IRC, with this MinceR OS thing | Jun 17 00:37 |
| MinceR | the vps isn't exactly straining to keep up | Jun 17 00:37 |
| CrystalMath | sebsebsebseb: i'm sure that libera will ban any criticism of lockdowns / vaccines / masks (doesn't mean i'm against the latter two) | Jun 17 00:37 |
| sebsebsebseb | CrystalMath: on libera i don't think so | Jun 17 00:38 |
| sebsebsebseb | it's basically freenode | Jun 17 00:38 |
| sebsebsebseb | most peopel gone there | Jun 17 00:38 |
| sebsebsebseb | except for you lot | Jun 17 00:38 |
| CrystalMath | old freenode didn't allow it | Jun 17 00:38 |
| CrystalMath | new freenode is free speech | Jun 17 00:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Linux gamers using the Valve’s Proton compatibility tool to run Windows games on their systems will be soon getting a performance upgrade as Nvidia has announced that it’s working with Valve to bring FPS boosts using its DLSS technology featured on RTX cards." https://www.digit.in/news/gaming/nvidia-partnering-with-valve-to-bring-dlss-to-linux-59781.html | Jun 17 00:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digit.in | Nvidia partnering with Valve to bring DLSS to Linux | Digit | Jun 17 00:39 | |
| CrystalMath | sebsebsebseb: i'm not one of those idiots that believes in canceling people | Jun 17 00:40 |
| sebsebsebseb | CrystalMath: I think in general n some communits if you go al anti vacine pubically peoel going to get a bit uh | Jun 17 00:40 |
| sebsebsebseb | same for masks in some situations | Jun 17 00:40 |
| sebsebsebseb | CrystalMath: what you mean cancelign peopel ? | Jun 17 00:40 |
| techrights-bot/fn | The 12 Best #Games to Play on Your #Chromebook in 2021 https://www.maketecheasier.com/awesome-games-chromebook/ | Jun 17 00:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | The 12 Best Games to Play on Your Chromebook in 2021 - Make Tech Easier | Jun 17 00:40 | |
| CrystalMath | sebsebsebseb: oh you know, cancel culture | Jun 17 00:40 |
| CrystalMath | read about it on wikipedia, i don't wish to get worked up explaining what it means | Jun 17 00:40 |
| sebsebsebseb | we will cancel MinceR and put hm to death ! | Jun 17 00:40 |
| CrystalMath | ugh, i'll only stay on this channel from now on, the freenode one pings me because of the bridge | Jun 17 00:41 |
| CrystalMath | and i fully respect techrights's decision to be independent and self-hosting | Jun 17 00:41 |
| schestowitz | freenode is always there | Jun 17 00:41 |
| sebsebsebseb | CrystalMath: yes and your messages end up on freenode too, becaus of the bridge | Jun 17 00:41 |
| schestowitz | and that's good | Jun 17 00:41 |
| CrystalMath | sebsebsebseb: that's good | Jun 17 00:42 |
| schestowitz | freenode should stop engineering its own scandals | Jun 17 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | sebsebsebseb: well as you can see it can sometimes lose its data :P | Jun 17 00:42 |
| sebsebsebseb | CrystalMath: oh yours will be kept on there in particular | Jun 17 00:42 |
| MinceR | i doubt there was much engineering involved | Jun 17 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | sebsebsebseb: why in particular? | Jun 17 00:42 |
| schestowitz | right, exactly, MinceR | Jun 17 00:42 |
| schestowitz | but they showed an example of self-inflicted harm | Jun 17 00:43 |
| sebsebsebseb | CrystalMath: since you are a bad person :D | Jun 17 00:43 |
| sebsebsebseb | A bad man ! | Jun 17 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | why? :( | Jun 17 00:43 |
| sebsebsebseb | you just are :D | Jun 17 00:43 |
| sebsebsebseb | a bit like MinceR | Jun 17 00:43 |
| sebsebsebseb | ha ha | Jun 17 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | i simply believe in things that i believe in, like individual freedom | Jun 17 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Would be better if freenode had RELAYMSG, ye know? | Jun 17 00:44 |
| sebsebsebseb | DaemonFC too he's been in trouble with hte cops in the US I belive | Jun 17 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | i fight for that on every front | Jun 17 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: does it require privileges? | Jun 17 00:44 |
| MinceR | sebsebsebseb: because of my race or because of my gender? | Jun 17 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Yes, but freenode needs to support it first. | Jun 17 00:44 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: both | Jun 17 00:44 |
| MinceR | i see | Jun 17 00:44 |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: Hungaries are a bit uh some lol | Jun 17 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: https://github.com/inspircd/inspircd-contrib/blob/master/3.0/m_relaymsg.cpp | Jun 17 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inspircd-contrib/m_relaymsg.cpp at master · inspircd/inspircd-contrib · GitHub | Jun 17 00:45 | |
| sebsebsebseb | and men are seen as bad | Jun 17 00:45 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Want another game engine reimplementation to play Quake II? Yamagi Quake II is another that's quite advanced and big new release is available with Vulkan support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/alternate-quake-ii-game-engine-yamagi-quake-ii-adds-vulkan | Jun 17 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alternate Quake II game engine Yamagi Quake II adds optional Vulkan support | GamingOnLinux | Jun 17 00:45 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Want another game engine reimplementation to play Quake II? Yamagi Quake II is another that's quite advanced and big new release is available with Vulkan support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/alternate-quake-ii-game-engine-yamagi-quake-ii-adds-vulkan | Jun 17 00:45 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: is that ircd any good in general. better than previous features-wise? | Jun 17 00:46 |
| MinceR | it's a bit flaky | Jun 17 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I have absolutely no idea. All I know is that this is C→C++ | Jun 17 00:47 |
| MinceR | i was told i'll have to upgrade irssi so i won't get an extra : at the start of mode parameters | Jun 17 00:47 |
| MinceR | for now, irssi doesn't notice people having their modes changed | Jun 17 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ariadne should have expertise here. | Jun 17 00:47 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Control AMD's Wraith cooler RGB on Linux using #WraithMaster with a new release | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/control-amds-wraith-cooler-rgb-on-linux-using-wraith-master-with-a-new-release | Jun 17 00:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Control AMD's Wraith cooler RGB on Linux using Wraith Master with a new release | GamingOnLinux | Jun 17 00:47 | |
| sebsebsebseb | MinceR: you bad bad bad Man ! | Jun 17 00:48 |
| MinceR | upgrading irssi isn't exactly that easy on fixed release | Jun 17 00:48 |
| sebsebsebseb | CrystalMath your a sweet heart compared to MinceR but still a bad man too ha ha | Jun 17 00:48 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Two Point Campus is coming to Linux from the Two Point Hospital team | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/two-point-campus-is-coming-to-linux-from-the-two-point-hospital-team ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two Point Campus is coming to Linux from the Two Point Hospital team | GamingOnLinux | Jun 17 00:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 00:48 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: But I think that this is very subjective territory, as Solanum is very actively developed. | Jun 17 00:49 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And comparing ircd-seven with something and Solanum with something is different | Jun 17 00:49 |
| MinceR | the f channel mode is kind of neat though | Jun 17 00:49 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Wine and #Nvidia on Wayland, #Ubuntu Pro goes Google, and THAT Firefox redesign - Linux News June https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TurnINAeNmc #gnu #linux | Jun 17 00:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wine and Nvidia on Wayland, Ubuntu Pro goes Google, and THAT Firefox redesign - Linux News June - YouTube | Jun 17 00:49 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | mintCast 363 - Audacity Rewind ⚓ https://mintcast.org/2021/06/16/mintcast-363-audacity-rewind/ ䷉ #mintcast | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 00:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mintcast.org | mintCast 363 – Audacity Rewind – mintCast | Jun 17 00:50 | |
| XRevan86 | And there's optionalRELAYMSG for both Solanum and InspIRCd | Jun 17 00:51 |
| XRevan86 | so there are options, they're just not employed | Jun 17 00:51 |
| schestowitz | seems they changed ircd for familiarity, not because they want to improve irc features | Jun 17 00:51 |
| schestowitz | it used to be possible to do [[ term ]] without the spaces and it would convert to wikipedia links | Jun 17 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: that was my first guess | Jun 17 00:52 |
| schestowitz | test: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=England | Jun 17 00:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | England - Wikipedia | Jun 17 00:52 | |
| schestowitz | oh, that still works | Jun 17 00:52 |
| schestowitz | I assume not a client-side feature | Jun 17 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | [[Scotland]] | Jun 17 00:52 |
| schestowitz | maybe that's a konversation thing | Jun 17 00:52 |
| schestowitz | I assumed it was ircd at freenode | Jun 17 00:52 |
| MinceR | [[IRC]] | Jun 17 00:52 |
| schestowitz/fn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=IRC | Jun 17 00:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet Relay Chat - Wikipedia | Jun 17 00:53 | |
| MinceR | it is client-side indeed | Jun 17 00:53 |
| schestowitz | seems to be konversation | Jun 17 00:53 |
| schestowitz | I found out about it when trying to tell alextee how to edit the wiki | Jun 17 00:53 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Latest Steam Client Beta improves Proton startup times, fixes login issue | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/latest-steam-client-beta-improves-proton-startup-times-fixes-login-issue ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Latest Steam Client Beta improves Proton startup times, fixes login issue | GamingOnLinux | Jun 17 00:54 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▄▅▆▃▆▆▃▄▆▇▆▄▅█▇▅▆▅▅▇▄▅▄▅▅▇▅▅█▃▄▅▆▁ avg(k/sec) 34.05 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▃▂▁▃▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▃▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▂▃▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 5.71 ⟲ | Jun 17 00:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Not only that but quite a lot of developers haven't put up the full demo banner with platform icons on their store pages (only the little demo button on the sidepanel), so you need to check #SteamDB (Search for "game + demo") on those to see if the demo has a #GNU #Linux build." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/steam-next-fest-is-live-again-with-new-demos-livestreams-and-more | Jun 17 01:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam Next Fest is live again with new demos, livestreams and more | GamingOnLinux | Jun 17 01:02 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | "In this video, I am going to show how to install #openSUSE 15.3." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_zDUFn8Q0 #suse #gnu #linux | Jun 17 01:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install openSUSE 15.3 - YouTube | Jun 17 01:04 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The Mozilla Blog: Celebrating our community: 10 years of the Reps Program https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/news/reps-mozilla-community-10-year-celebration/ #mozilla #firefox | Jun 17 01:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Reps Mozilla Community Program 10 Year Anniversary | Jun 17 01:05 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The Piano Metronome is key to keeping the beat | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/16/the-piano-metronome-is-key-to-keeping-the-beat/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 01:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | The Piano Metronome is key to keeping the beat | Arduino Blog | Jun 17 01:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 01:06 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Turn your bicycle into a #Pokebike with DJ Harrigan’s MKR Zero device | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/16/turn-your-bicycle-into-a-pokebike-with-dj-harrigans-mkr-zero-device/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | Jun 17 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Turn your bicycle into a Pokebike with DJ Harrigan's MKR Zero device | Arduino Blog | Jun 17 01:07 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | LOL!!!! $200. Totally NOT competitive. #gnu #linux ones can do the same for like a quarter the price! https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/16/gmk-nucbox-review-a-palm-sized-windows-10-mini-pc/ | Jun 17 01:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | GMK NucBox Review - A palm-sized Windows 10 mini PC - CNX Software | Jun 17 01:08 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Plus the outrageous bounty on a beloved Linux desktop app." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145317/ye-olde-linux-distro-linux-unplugged-410/ | Jun 17 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Ye Olde Linux Distro | LINUX Unplugged 410 | Jupiter Broadcasting | Jun 17 01:11 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, openSUSE 15.3, Coder Radio, mintCast and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152357 | Jun 17 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, openSUSE 15.3, Coder Radio, mintCast and More | Tux Machines | Jun 17 01:18 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Radxa Zero SBC • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152358 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 01:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radxa Zero SBC | Tux Machines | Jun 17 01:19 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #OpenHardware : Arduino, Raspberry Pi, and PINE64 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152359 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 01:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware: Arduino, Raspberry Pi, and PINE64 | Tux Machines | Jun 17 01:19 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Games : DLSS, Chromebook, and Many New Titles on GNU/Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152360 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 01:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: DLSS, Chromebook, and Many New Titles on GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Jun 17 01:19 | |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: hey, how do i even get a copy of ircd-hyperion? | Jun 17 01:20 |
| techrights-bot/fn | The Neocon Agenda to Militarize Space with Robbie Martin https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/06/podcasts/the-neocon-agenda-to-militarize-space-with-robbie-martin/ | Jun 17 01:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Neocon Agenda to Militarize Space with Robbie Martin - unlimitedhangout.com | Jun 17 01:22 | |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: www.stack.nl/~jilles/irc/ | Jun 17 01:24 |
| Ariadne | scroll down to | Jun 17 01:24 |
| Ariadne | dancer-ircd / hyperion / freenode | Jun 17 01:24 |
| Ariadne | Please do not bother me with any bugs/features/whatever about this code. | Jun 17 01:24 |
| Ariadne | click downloadf | Jun 17 01:24 |
| Ariadne | -f | Jun 17 01:24 |
| CrystalMath | thanks :)) | Jun 17 01:25 |
| Ariadne | why | Jun 17 01:25 |
| Ariadne | hyperion is a shitheap | Jun 17 01:26 |
| Ariadne | you should not run it in production | Jun 17 01:26 |
| CrystalMath | i'll be able to recreate the freenode that existed at the time of my first connection | Jun 17 01:26 |
| CrystalMath | on localhost | Jun 17 01:26 |
| CrystalMath | that was 2008 right? | Jun 17 01:26 |
| Ariadne | by 2008 freenode was on seven | Jun 17 01:26 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Migrate virtual machines to Kubernetes with this new tool | ⚓ https://opensource.com/article/21/6/migrate-vms-kubernetes-forklift ䷉ #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 01:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Migrate virtual machines to Kubernetes with this new tool | Opensource.com | Jun 17 01:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 01:26 | |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: oh, really? | Jun 17 01:26 |
| Ariadne | yes, pretty sure | Jun 17 01:27 |
| CrystalMath | but wikipedia says 2010 | Jun 17 01:27 |
| CrystalMath | Hyperion was then replaced with IRCd-Seven[14] on 30 January 2010.[15][16] | Jun 17 01:27 |
| CrystalMath | https://web.archive.org/web/20130204005542/http://www.irc-junkie.org/2010-01-30/freenode-migration-to-ircd-seven-successfully-completed/ | Jun 17 01:28 |
| Ariadne | oh | Jun 17 01:28 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Reminder that #microsoft is a bunch of liars, thugs, and criminals: There's no "LEAK". It's #MARKETING disguised as 'leak'. Because they're liars. | Jun 17 01:28 |
| Ariadne | ok | Jun 17 01:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | freenode migration to ircd-seven successfully completed | IRC-Junkie.org - IRC News | Jun 17 01:28 | |
| Ariadne | anyway, hyperion is shit | Jun 17 01:28 |
| CrystalMath | what's wrong with it? | Jun 17 01:28 |
| techrights-bot/fn | StatCounter: In May 2021 #Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/05/03/statcounter-may-2021/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/03/statcounter-may-2021/ | Jun 17 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | StatCounter: In May 2021 Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops | Techrights | Jun 17 01:29 | |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: do you maybe know if atheme was used in 2008? | Jun 17 01:29 |
| Ariadne | that was since 2007 | Jun 17 01:30 |
| Ariadne | afaik | Jun 17 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | software isn't the problem with freenode | Jun 17 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | okay so i need to set up atheme as well | Jun 17 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | why does it matter what it used | Jun 17 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | i'll try to get as close to the original configuration | Jun 17 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | and i need to find the motd from 2008 | Jun 17 01:30 |
| MinceR | wasn't dancer used before hyperion? | Jun 17 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it was but 2008 is what i'm after :) | Jun 17 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | i'll possibly open up an onion service | Jun 17 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | Voulez Vous Danser | Jun 17 01:31 |
| CrystalMath | so you can access it | Jun 17 01:31 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: the current time of the server will say 2008 too! | Jun 17 01:31 |
| CrystalMath | that moment in time, forever | Jun 17 01:31 |
| MinceR | will the SSL certificate also expire in 2008? :> | Jun 17 01:31 |
| CrystalMath | i'll possibly create fake clients or fake the user count somehow | Jun 17 01:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 01:31 |
| CrystalMath | essentially creating a perfect autistic replica | Jun 17 01:32 |
| techrights-bot/fn | PDF Mix Tool 1.0.1 Now Lets You Edit Metadata with an Improved UI & Qt 6 Support https://news.itsfoss.com/pdf-mix-tool-1-0-1-release/ "In either case, you can build it from source that can be found on GitLab." | Jun 17 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | PDF Mix Tool 1.0.1 Now Lets You Edit Metadata with an Improved UI & Qt 6 Support - It's FOSS News | Jun 17 01:32 | |
| Ariadne | oooh! will it have #wrongplanet?! | Jun 17 01:33 |
| rbraun/fn | Ariadne, is it correct that hyperion/dancer was not a TS6 based protocol | Jun 17 01:33 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i'm gonna copy the motd as well | Jun 17 01:34 |
| CrystalMath | i found a copy of the august 2008 motd :D | Jun 17 01:34 |
| rbraun/fn | CrystalMath, where | Jun 17 01:34 |
| Ariadne | rbraun: hyperion was not TS6, no | Jun 17 01:34 |
| Ariadne | hyperion was not even TS5 | Jun 17 01:35 |
| rbraun/fn | Ariadne: what was its TS protocol? i saw something saying "TS4" which i'd never seen | Jun 17 01:35 |
| techrights-bot/fn | How the X Window System Influenced Modern Computing ⚓ https://www.fosslife.org/how-x-window-system-influenced-modern-computing ䷉ #fosslife | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | How the X Window System Influenced Modern Computing | Jun 17 01:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 01:35 | |
| CrystalMath | rbraun: http://web.archive.org/web/20080915151220/http://irc.netsplit.de:80/networks/freenode/ | Jun 17 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | freenode - IRC Network - irc.netsplit.de | Jun 17 01:35 | |
| rbraun/fn | CrystalMath: aha | Jun 17 01:35 |
| CrystalMath | huh | Jun 17 01:36 |
| CrystalMath | RCD=dancer CAPAB CHANTYPES=# EXCEPTS INVEX CHANMODES=bdeIq,k,lfJD,cgijLmnPQrRstz CHANLIMIT=#: SAFELIST CASEMAPPING=ascii CHANNELLEN=30 TOPICLEN=450 KICKLEN=450 KEYLEN=23 USERLEN=10 HOSTLEN=63 SILENCE=50 | Jun 17 01:36 |
| CrystalMath | dancer? | Jun 17 01:36 |
| CrystalMath | did hyperion report as dancer or something? | Jun 17 01:36 |
| Ariadne | rbraun: a mix of TS3 and TS5 | Jun 17 01:36 |
| rbraun/fn | hyperion was based on dancer | Jun 17 01:36 |
| Ariadne | rbraun: with a bunch of craq bolted on | Jun 17 01:37 |
| rbraun/fn | i see | Jun 17 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: is there a list of all the server names? | Jun 17 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | i wish i could do a back in time dig | Jun 17 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | dig --time-machine='Aug 11 2008' chat.freenode.net | Jun 17 01:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 17 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | i see there's heinlein, niven | Jun 17 01:38 |
| MinceR | netsplit doesn't have a server list? | Jun 17 01:38 |
| CrystalMath | i see it in the various motds of the time | Jun 17 01:38 |
| MinceR | searchirc might also help | Jun 17 01:38 |
| CrystalMath | http://web.archive.org/web/20080516024401/http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml | Jun 17 01:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | About freenode: IRC Servers | Jun 17 01:38 | |
| CrystalMath | got it :) | Jun 17 01:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #HowTo use #FreeDOS as an embedded system | ⚓ https://opensource.com/article/21/6/freedos-embedded-system ䷉ #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM | Jun 17 01:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to use FreeDOS as an embedded system | Opensource.com | Jun 17 01:38 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "So you want to switch to Linux? Or maybe run it alongside Windows? Great idea! But you've probably heard things that scared you away like "installing Linux is hard." Is it really true?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ7DBBEzo60 it was hard 20+ years ago. | Jun 17 01:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Installing Linux Is Hard" | Linux Myth Busters #1 - YouTube | Jun 17 01:39 | |
| CrystalMath | tolkien, asimov, kornbluth, orwell, sterling, calvino, adams, gibson, leguin, lem, pratchett, sendak, niven, zelazny, brown, anthony, kubrick, heinlein | Jun 17 01:40 |
| CrystalMath | that's the full list :) | Jun 17 01:40 |
| CrystalMath | that's a lot of hyperions | Jun 17 01:40 |
| CrystalMath | to run | Jun 17 01:40 |
| Ariadne | thats the list of client servers | Jun 17 01:40 |
| Ariadne | there were also hidden hubs | Jun 17 01:40 |
| CrystalMath | perhaps i could cheap out and only run one server | Jun 17 01:42 |
| CrystalMath | and just give it one of these names | Jun 17 01:42 |
| CrystalMath | imagine there was a netsplit in 2008 :P | Jun 17 01:42 |
| MinceR | not hard to image | Jun 17 01:43 |
| MinceR | s/ge/gine/ | Jun 17 01:43 |
| CrystalMath | wait, since i'll probably host it over .onion, i can just use the name of the tor relay! | Jun 17 01:43 |
| CrystalMath | what was it... zettel? | Jun 17 01:43 |
| rbraun/fn | that sounds right | Jun 17 01:45 |
| CrystalMath | unfortunately i don't have zettel's motd | Jun 17 01:46 |
| CrystalMath | curses | Jun 17 01:46 |
| MinceR | curses, foiled again! | Jun 17 01:47 |
| CrystalMath | heh | Jun 17 01:47 |
| CrystalMath | if someone has zettel's motd in logs that would be super special awesome | Jun 17 01:47 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #microsoft #vapourware versus what #gnu #linux ALREADY has and DOES https://filipfila.wordpress.com/2021/06/15/565/ | Jun 17 01:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-filipfila.wordpress.com | No, Windows is not copying KDE Plasma – Filip Fila's blog | Jun 17 01:49 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Security Leftovers and Proprietary Software • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152363 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers and Proprietary Software | Tux Machines | Jun 17 01:50 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #FreeSoftware : PDF Mix Tool, KubeVirt, and QOwnNotes • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152362 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: PDF Mix Tool, KubeVirt, and QOwnNotes | Tux Machines | Jun 17 01:51 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152361 | Jun 17 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 17 01:51 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | More buzzwords, less subtsnace ttps://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-presents-edgex-to-the-community | Jun 17 01:57 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▃▄▄▅▇▅▇▇▄▅▆▅▃▄▁▂▅▆▇▅▇▃▄▃▄▇▃▇▅▁▅▆▅▁ avg(k/sec) 27.33 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂█▃▂▁▁▂▂▃▂▁▁▂█▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 37.50 ⟲ | Jun 17 01:59 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: honestly maybe EsperNet is the closest thing to old freenode, it's running charybdis and atheme | Jun 17 01:59 |
| CrystalMath | besides Libera, EsperNet is the only IRC network that i left forever | Jun 17 01:59 |
| CrystalMath | which is sort of awkward since i connect to EsperNet now | Jun 17 02:00 |
| Ariadne | its p funny | Jun 17 02:01 |
| Ariadne | that canonical is trying to get people to run edgex on ubuntu core | Jun 17 02:01 |
| Ariadne | when the official recommended deployment is on EVE | Jun 17 02:01 |
| MinceR | the mmorpg? | Jun 17 02:01 |
| Ariadne | which is basically alpine's answer to ubuntu core | Jun 17 02:01 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: oh do you know what distro freenode servers ran in 2008? | Jun 17 02:02 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: EVE = Edge Virtualization Engine | Jun 17 02:02 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 17 02:02 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: uhh | Jun 17 02:02 |
| MinceR | there's way too much edge nowadays | Jun 17 02:02 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: some ran freebsd, others ran debian, a few ran gentoo | Jun 17 02:02 |
| CrystalMath | ah i see | Jun 17 02:02 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: so 'edge computing' is really a buzzword for a movement to bring stuff outsourced to 'the cloud' (aka somebody else's computers) back in house | Jun 17 02:02 |
| MinceR | yeah, but there's also the newest name for internet explorer | Jun 17 02:03 |
| MinceR | and all the edginess that's going on | Jun 17 02:03 |
| Ariadne | the business case of course is that having your computers next to your stuff is probably a good idea | Jun 17 02:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 17 02:03 |
| Ariadne | but its really a software freedom case | Jun 17 02:03 |
| hmmmm/fn | MinceR: but nobody actually cares about that edge | Jun 17 02:03 |
| MinceR | well, i don't care about calling this thing 'edge computing' either :> | Jun 17 02:03 |
| Ariadne | as in, we are trying to ween people off of the cloud, by giving them the ability to do 'cloud' stuff on their own gear | Jun 17 02:03 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 17 02:04 |
| rbraun/fn | CrystalMath, why did you leave espernet | Jun 17 02:04 |
| CrystalMath | actually that's a weird one... i don't really know | Jun 17 02:05 |
| Ariadne | and of course, putting computers next to your stuff that you want to monitor is really fascinating | Jun 17 02:05 |
| MinceR | my kind of edge >> https://quake.fandom.com/wiki/Q2DM1:_The_Edge | Jun 17 02:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-quake.fandom.com | Q2DM1: The Edge | Quake Wiki | Fandom | Jun 17 02:05 | |
| CrystalMath | i just randomly declared that i will leave forever | Jun 17 02:05 |
| Ariadne | did you know that wind turbines run on alpine? | Jun 17 02:05 |
| rbraun/fn | lol | Jun 17 02:05 |
| Ariadne | like, no shit | Jun 17 02:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 02:05 |
| CrystalMath | i can't for the life of me figure out why | Jun 17 02:05 |
| Ariadne | they have all these sensors | Jun 17 02:05 |
| Ariadne | that collect all this data | Jun 17 02:05 |
| CrystalMath | and now that i'm back all my old friends are gone forever | Jun 17 02:05 |
| Ariadne | and microphones inside the turbine | Jun 17 02:05 |
| CrystalMath | rbraun/fn: my best explanation is that i wanted to be sad | Jun 17 02:05 |
| Ariadne | which record how it sounds | Jun 17 02:05 |
| Ariadne | and then all of that is analyzed for faults | Jun 17 02:06 |
| Ariadne | and sent onto a control center | Jun 17 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | I can't see how Disney Plus has 104 million subscribers. | Jun 17 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | Streaming television is the most fucking stupid thing ever. | Jun 17 02:06 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Reading over RSS for news updates https://dwaves.de/2021/06/16/how-to-read-news-in-the-21st-century-apps-rss-feeds-turns-the-users-android-based-device-into-an-independent-open-source-based-news-aggregator-that-respects-the-users-privacy/ | Jun 17 02:06 |
| Ariadne | like, they literally analyze the audio, to look for grinding noises and shit | Jun 17 02:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-» how to read news in the 21st century (APPs & RSS FEEDS) – turns the user’s Android based device into an independent Open Source based news aggregator that respects the user’s privacy | dwaves.de | Jun 17 02:06 | |
| Ariadne | its all so strange | Jun 17 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | Streaming TV is a huge bubble. | Jun 17 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | It's not profitable and subscribers are peaking. | Jun 17 02:06 |
| Ariadne | i gave up on streaming and just buy bluray discs and rip them now | Jun 17 02:07 |
| Ariadne | it is easier | Jun 17 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | They can't justify unlimited budgets for several shows as bait anymore on $10 a month. | Jun 17 02:07 |
| Ariadne | i like having physical copies of media | Jun 17 02:07 |
| Ariadne | they cant revoke my 'license' to a physical copy of the media | Jun 17 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | I just torrent them to my hard drive. | Jun 17 02:07 |
| schestowitz | streaming = renral | Jun 17 02:07 |
| schestowitz | *rental | Jun 17 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | Someone else nicely did the work of ripping it for me and figuring out that pesky DRM so I don't have to. | Jun 17 02:07 |
| MinceR | i just torrent them as well | Jun 17 02:07 |
| schestowitz | even when we rented tapes we kept them for a few days | Jun 17 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | Figured out all of the optimal encoder settings. | Jun 17 02:08 |
| Ariadne | i have an internet connection that is... not so compatible with torrenting :P | Jun 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | so you could watch it again, pass it to a family member | Jun 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | even watch on a mate's VCR | Jun 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | streaming takes so much away | Jun 17 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I like Nathan Lineback. I think that's his name anyway. | Jun 17 02:08 |
| Ariadne | anyway LF edge is cool | Jun 17 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | Has the toastytech website. | Jun 17 02:08 |
| Ariadne | its basically about weening people off the cloud | Jun 17 02:08 |
| Ariadne | and back onto their own computers | Jun 17 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | I followed his blog which is sort of where I got the idea of ripping IE out of my computer as a teenager. | Jun 17 02:09 |
| Ariadne | since cloud computing is fundamentally antithetical to software freedom | Jun 17 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | Only I found a freeware utility that did it better. | Jun 17 02:09 |
| Ariadne | LF edge is also cool because the group is working on replacements for stuff like SCADA which is a security disaster | Jun 17 02:09 |
| Ariadne | all FOSS | Jun 17 02:10 |
| Ariadne | very cool | Jun 17 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | Most software is a security disaster. | Jun 17 02:10 |
| Ariadne | its just strange to see ubuntu try to compete in this area | Jun 17 02:10 |
| XRevan86 | She-Ra is top-notch stuff. Never would've imagined. | Jun 17 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | mIRC made a lot of questionable design choices early on that I did not appreciate at the time. | Jun 17 02:10 |
| Ariadne | they should stay in their lane and compete with RHEL | Jun 17 02:10 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: the cartoon? | Jun 17 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yes | Jun 17 02:11 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 17 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | the new one of course | Jun 17 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | The $decode worms were pretty funny. | Jun 17 02:11 |
| Ariadne | microsoft comic chat | Jun 17 02:11 |
| MinceR | i don't think ubuntu can compete with rHELL | Jun 17 02:11 |
| Ariadne | is best irc client | Jun 17 02:11 |
| Ariadne | imo | Jun 17 02:11 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 02:11 |
| rbraun/fn | which servers does comic chat work/not work with again | Jun 17 02:11 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #FreeSoftware : PDF Mix Tool, KubeVirt, and QOwnNotes • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152362 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 02:12 |
| rbraun/fn | iirc it used to work with freenode and then broke | Jun 17 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | It led to the entire feature being turned off and if you want to turn it on, it says be sure you know what you're doing because malicious scripts might be doing bad things. | Jun 17 02:12 |
| MinceR | ubuntu committed to playing catch-up with rh's products | Jun 17 02:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: PDF Mix Tool, KubeVirt, and QOwnNotes | Tux Machines | Jun 17 02:12 | |
| Ariadne | it doesnt work with charybdis because i changed JOIN output to make it segfault ^_^ | Jun 17 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | But without $decode, the script system just isn't very powerful. | Jun 17 02:12 |
| MinceR | LOL | Jun 17 02:12 |
| MinceR | you should port that feature to solanum | Jun 17 02:12 |
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| rbraun/fn | the problem with ubuntu staying in their lane is that RH's lane is pretty wide now and they want to compete with all of it | Jun 17 02:12 |
| Ariadne | its already there | Jun 17 02:12 |
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| MinceR | oh, i guess everyone is using the web-based imitation then | Jun 17 02:13 |
| rbraun/fn | Ariadne lol why | Jun 17 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Linux is pretty much doomed if these two companies get to run it for much longer. | Jun 17 02:13 |
| techrights-bot/fn | 10 Linux Distros for Beginners, Intermediate, and Advanced Users • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152364 | Jun 17 02:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 Linux Distros for Beginners, Intermediate, and Advanced Users | Tux Machines | Jun 17 02:13 | |
| MinceR | Linux is already doomed | Jun 17 02:13 |
| rbraun/fn | SuSE still exists | Jun 17 02:13 |
| Ariadne | because some dude used to join my irc server and use it and he was annoying | Jun 17 02:13 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Ubuntu : Oracle, LF, and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152365 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 02:13 |
| Ariadne | so i changed | Jun 17 02:13 |
| MinceR | the guy who was pushing for kdbus is running it | Jun 17 02:13 |
| rbraun/fn | lol | Jun 17 02:13 |
| Ariadne | :nick!user@host JOIN #foo | Jun 17 02:13 |
| MinceR | Linus is muzzled | Jun 17 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has finally managed to corrupt all of the necessary entities to make sure there's no point trying to escape Windows anymore. | Jun 17 02:13 |
| Ariadne | to :nick!user@host JOIN :#foo | Jun 17 02:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: Oracle, LF, and More | Tux Machines | Jun 17 02:13 | |
| Ariadne | and that made it crash | Jun 17 02:14 |
| Ariadne | :D | Jun 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | Alan Cox left the project | Jun 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | i don't know what happened to the others | Jun 17 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | For some reason, every modern program things it's alright to take crash and usage data from you by default, without asking. | Jun 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | but if the people who actually know the code well wanted to save the project, they would have forked it already | Jun 17 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | *thinks | Jun 17 02:14 |
| Ariadne | its just so strange | Jun 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | and it's massively bloated | Jun 17 02:15 |
| Ariadne | every time ubuntu tries to compete with alpine, it never works out for them | Jun 17 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | Then they also think it's fine to invade your production systems and experiment on you. | Jun 17 02:15 |
| Ariadne | they throw a ton of money at it, and then their customers are like | Jun 17 02:15 |
| Ariadne | systemd? snap? why would we want to use this shit | Jun 17 02:15 |
| MinceR | maybe ubuntu has a bad strategy | Jun 17 02:15 |
| rbraun/fn | maybe ubuntu has no strategy | Jun 17 02:15 |
| rbraun/fn | i mean, remember Mir? | Jun 17 02:15 |
| MinceR | "let's just replace the branding on debian and toss in some crap", or later, "let's just replace the branding on debian" | Jun 17 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Windows 11, because it has rounded corners. | Jun 17 02:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | Rounded corners = major version. | Jun 17 02:16 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #fossmint still promoting NON-FREE. Almost always Anusha Saive.... marketing instead of news. Or PR spam... | Jun 17 02:16 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: new icons are better for security than rounded corners. | Jun 17 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I think with the icons, they were going for performance. They just put the icons in the kernel and they perform better that way. | Jun 17 02:16 |
| MinceR | makes sense | Jun 17 02:16 |
| MinceR | it's what microsoft does | Jun 17 02:16 |
| MinceR | it never works out for them, but still | Jun 17 02:17 |
| Ariadne | they even tried to compete with alpine for the digital billboard market | Jun 17 02:17 |
| Ariadne | even though a FOSS spin called signageOS already existed | Jun 17 02:17 |
| Ariadne | and already did what billboard weirdos wanted | Jun 17 02:17 |
| Ariadne | like, i just don't get it | Jun 17 02:17 |
| Ariadne | i think shuttleworth is another rasengan | Jun 17 02:18 |
| Ariadne | maybe they should get together and chat | Jun 17 02:18 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 02:18 |
| MinceR | how do you know they don't? | Jun 17 02:18 |
| rbraun/fn | i don't think shuttleworth quite has his... personality disorders | Jun 17 02:19 |
| rbraun/fn | or substance abuse issues | Jun 17 02:20 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: alpine doesn't use systemd? | Jun 17 02:20 |
| MinceR | it doesn't | Jun 17 02:20 |
| MinceR | just like its derivative postmarketOS doesn't :> | Jun 17 02:20 |
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| Ariadne | i am just dumbfounded by it | Jun 17 02:24 |
| Ariadne | like, does ubuntu even know what it wants to do anymore | Jun 17 02:24 |
| MinceR | it hasn't for a long time | Jun 17 02:24 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152366 | Jun 17 02:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 17 02:28 | |
| Ariadne | i wonder if this damn jump box i bought at walmart will actually start this damn tractor tomorrow | Jun 17 02:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 17 02:28 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Links 17/6/2021: elementary OS 6 Beta 2 and JingPad Linux Tablet Crowdfunding • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/jingpad-linux-tablet-crowdfunding/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/16/jingpad-linux-tablet-crowdfunding/ | Jun 17 02:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 17/6/2021: elementary OS 6 Beta 2 and JingPad Linux Tablet Crowdfunding | Techrights | Jun 17 02:30 | |
| DaemonFC | I gave up on those flooded acid batteries. | Jun 17 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | Too quirky. | Jun 17 02:31 |
| schestowitz | [02:20] <MinceR> just like its derivative postmarketOS doesn't :> | Jun 17 02:31 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know pmOS is alpine based | Jun 17 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | I use the new type with the glass plates in my car. | Jun 17 02:31 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was some sort of backported or hacked AOSP | Jun 17 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | It starts right up now, even at -20 or -30. | Jun 17 02:31 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: pmOS is not just based on alpine, but is integrated into the alpine ecosystem at this point | Jun 17 02:32 |
| schestowitz | [02:18] <Ariadne> i think shuttleworth is another rasengan | Jun 17 02:32 |
| schestowitz | MS is actually rich | Jun 17 02:32 |
| schestowitz | not debt-rich | Jun 17 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | Turns out that the new struts in that car solved a lot of problems that I had been unhappy about, including crappy braking performance. | Jun 17 02:32 |
| rbraun/fn | schestowitz: heh yeah | Jun 17 02:32 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i meant in terms of throwing shit to the wall and hoping it sticks | Jun 17 02:32 |
| schestowitz | because he sold his company and avoided tax... for a while | Jun 17 02:32 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/07/11/waugh-on-canonical/ | Jun 17 02:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Sexy Dawn of Ubuntu Branding | Techrights | Jun 17 02:33 | |
| schestowitz | “What happened was, we’ve had some very… some of the very early initial meetings (when, you know, there were about 10 people) and Mark [Shuttleworth] showed this picture… and it was of a girl called Sabrina, or that’s the name that he gave her. And it was a very [?] tone, Vaseline on the lens kind of shot, and it was a… a very beautiful shot, but it was with a girl with her face turned away but her breasts perfectly visible. And he | Jun 17 02:33 |
| schestowitz | saying to everyone, ‘this is what I want the desktop to look like.’” | Jun 17 02:33 |
| Ariadne | cancellation in progress | Jun 17 02:33 |
| Ariadne | but in all seriousness | Jun 17 02:34 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | "explaining to girls" | Jun 17 02:34 |
| Ariadne | that does not really seem like a useful way of conveying your vision | Jun 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | it's not | Jun 17 02:34 |
| Ariadne | like i would take away from that "ok, more hot chick wallpapers in ubuntu-wallpapers" | Jun 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | sport cars with girls on them | Jun 17 02:35 |
| schestowitz | with thongs | Jun 17 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | That YourMechanic site has just gotten outrageous with their car repair estimates. | Jun 17 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's like an app where you tell it what's wrong with your car and it gives you a quote and sends a mechanic out to you. | Jun 17 02:35 |
| MinceR | 'hot chick' wallpaper showing chicken fillet being grilled | Jun 17 02:36 |
| Ariadne | yeah i think i used it once | Jun 17 02:36 |
| Ariadne | for the lolz | Jun 17 02:36 |
| Ariadne | i was not impressed | Jun 17 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | It told me $968 on replacement struts on the front end and the local CarX did them for $680. | Jun 17 02:36 |
| Ariadne | the mechanic they sent out | Jun 17 02:36 |
| Ariadne | talked about weed and ancient aliens | Jun 17 02:36 |
| Ariadne | which, i mean, fine i guess | Jun 17 02:36 |
| techrights-bot/fn | *** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂 𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-160621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-160621.txt Read the log now... | Jun 17 02:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 | Jun 17 02:36 | |
| Ariadne | but i just needed my wheel hub assembly replaced | Jun 17 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | Ancient Aliens, with that guy that looks like Londo Mollari from B5. | Jun 17 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 17 02:37 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Micro – A Command Line Based Text Editor for #GNU #Linux ⚓ https://www.linuxshelltips.com/micro-terminal-based-text-editor/ ䷉ #linuxshelltips | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 02:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxshelltips.com | Micro – A Command Line Based Text Editor for Linux | Jun 17 02:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 02:37 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 | Jun 17 02:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Ariadne, Replace right front wheel bearing hub on 2003 Impala LS. $352.00 after tax on YourMechanic. | Jun 17 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | CarX did it for like $288 after tax. | Jun 17 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I suppose that's not AS bad as some of the things I've looked up. | Jun 17 02:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 | Jun 17 02:38 | |
| DaemonFC | YourMechanic wanted like $126 to change an air filter. Which is 5 minutes with a screwdriver and an $8 filter. | Jun 17 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | I asked the manager at CarX what the computer said that job would have been there. He told me $25. | Jun 17 02:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 | Jun 17 02:39 | |
| DaemonFC | The folks down at Pep Boys are really looking for extra work these days. The entire company is about to go under. | Jun 17 02:40 |
| Ariadne | if you have a 38mm socket, you can replace the hub assembly yourself in an hour on most GM cars | Jun 17 02:40 |
| Ariadne | the assembly is like 80 bucks | Jun 17 02:40 |
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| DaemonFC | They informed me of a bad tie rod end and wanted almost double what CarX charged me to drive across the street and have it done there several months ago. | Jun 17 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | Then Pep Boys said my air filter was filthy and they wanted $60 for that. I just told them thanks for telling me and replaced it myself. | Jun 17 02:41 |
| MinceR | Ancient Aliens, with Doomguy and tons of demons | Jun 17 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | Ariadne> the assembly is like 80 bucks | Jun 17 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | You can get them cheaper than that. | Jun 17 02:42 |
| Ariadne | thats with an OEM part | Jun 17 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen them all the way down to $49.99, but that's an economy hub from AutoZone. | Jun 17 02:42 |
| MinceR | (i was not a fan of that wad though, but it was funny) | Jun 17 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | :/ | Jun 17 02:42 |
| Ariadne | if you want to go chinesium | Jun 17 02:42 |
| Ariadne | you can get them for $21 on amazon | Jun 17 02:42 |
| Ariadne | :) | Jun 17 02:42 |
| Ariadne | i prefer OEM parts for things that might result in injury and/or death if they fail | Jun 17 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, the shop manager at CarX said they use OEM parts mostly. | Jun 17 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | But they're owned by Monroe so they use their own suspension parts. | Jun 17 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | I got a set of Monroe quick struts for the front end, they seem to work great. | Jun 17 02:43 |
| Ariadne | i just bought a brand new ford edge | Jun 17 02:43 |
| Ariadne | literally brand new | Jun 17 02:43 |
| Ariadne | the stupid thing has internet of shit connectivity | Jun 17 02:44 |
| Ariadne | i need to figure out how to disable that | Jun 17 02:44 |
| Ariadne | i don't want any of that | Jun 17 02:44 |
| Ariadne | the idea of having canbus connected to a module that is also connected to the internet | Jun 17 02:44 |
| techrights-bot/fn | PSA: kernel 5.12.11 is safe for bcache, again https://enotty.pipebreaker.pl/posts/2021/06/psa-kernel-51211-is-safe-for-bcache-again/ #linux #kernel | Jun 17 02:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enotty.pipebreaker.pl | PSA: kernel 5.12.11 is safe for bcache, again | -ENOTTY | Jun 17 02:44 | |
| Ariadne | is not confidence inspiring | Jun 17 02:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 17 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | How is it internet connected if you're not using your phone as a hotspot? | Jun 17 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | This stuff just changes too fast. | Jun 17 02:45 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Most of these are #ProprietarySoftware :/ https://news.itsfoss.com/chrome-like-browsers-2021/ | Jun 17 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | The quality of the powertrains has gone way down. | Jun 17 02:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Top 5 Chrome-like Browsers That Are Better Than Google Chrome in 2021 - It's FOSS News | Jun 17 02:45 | |
| DaemonFC | You're lucky if you can drive the car 150,000 miles these days. | Jun 17 02:46 |
| Ariadne | DaemonFC: the car has an LTE modem in it | Jun 17 02:46 |
| Ariadne | DaemonFC: you can use an app to lock/unlock/start/stop the car | Jun 17 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | <Ariadne> DaemonFC: the car has an LTE modem in it | Jun 17 02:46 |
| Ariadne | DaemonFC: it also shows the GPS location | Jun 17 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | Don't you have to subscribe to something for that to be on? | Jun 17 02:46 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Jun 17 02:46 |
| techrights-bot/fn | A "smart" home isn't smart. Truly smart homes don't have ANY of those supposedly 'smart' things https://www.iottechtrends.com/are-smart-homes-worth-it/ | Jun 17 02:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | Are Smart Homes Worth It in 2021? - IoT Tech Trends | Jun 17 02:46 | |
| Ariadne | but some fuckwit can subscribe to it on your behalf | Jun 17 02:46 |
| Ariadne | if they have your VIN | Jun 17 02:47 |
| Ariadne | andf then fuck with you | Jun 17 02:47 |
| MinceR | so can three-letter agencies | Jun 17 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | Well, mom's giving me her 2011 Impala next, so no internet of shit for a while. | Jun 17 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | Just car of shit. | Jun 17 02:48 |
| Ariadne | nope | Jun 17 02:48 |
| Ariadne | 2011 impala | Jun 17 02:48 |
| Ariadne | has this | Jun 17 02:48 |
| Ariadne | but its UMTS modem | Jun 17 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | They cost more to repair than they're worth over about two years. | Jun 17 02:48 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Survey For #openSUSE Leap 15.3 Release Closes https://news.opensuse.org/2021/06/16/survey-for-opensuse-release-closes/ #suse #gnu #linux | Jun 17 02:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | Survey For openSUSE Leap 15.3 Release Closes - openSUSE News | Jun 17 02:49 | |
| Ariadne | some people upgraded to LTE module when AT&T shut down UMTS | Jun 17 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | For some reason, the blend door actuator on the 2003 was too reliable. | Jun 17 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | So GM upgraded the 2010+ to one that makes woodpecker noises and then your heat or air conditioning doesn't work. | Jun 17 02:49 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #RedHat is not competing with #Microsoft and #proprietarysoftware ; instead it is embracing both https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2021/05/12/self-hosting-github-actions-runners-on-openshift | Jun 17 02:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Deploy self-hosted GitHub Actions runners for Red Hat OpenShift | Red Hat Developer | Jun 17 02:50 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Set up a service mesh on #Istio | ⚓ https://opensource.com/article/21/6/service-mesh-serverless ䷉ #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM | Jun 17 02:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Set up a service mesh on Istio | Opensource.com | Jun 17 02:52 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #proprietarySoftware #Microsoft Teams [sic] "exploit exposed sensitive files, emails and chat logs" https://www.techradar.com/news/microsoft-teams-security-flaw-left-users-defenseless-against-serious-cyberattacks | Jun 17 02:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Teams security flaw left users defenseless against serious cyberattacks | TechRadar | Jun 17 02:53 | |
| DaemonFC | Someone I know in Chicago just took Uber to work and back every day. | Jun 17 02:54 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Integrating sandboxed Vala apps with the host system through xdg-desktop-portals - Felipe Borges ⚓ https://feborg.es/vala-xdg-desktop-portals/ ䷉ #gnome #programming #feborg | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 02:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feborg.es | Integrating sandboxed Vala apps with the host system through xdg-desktop-portals – Felipe Borges | Jun 17 02:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 02:54 | |
| DaemonFC | It was costing him $12-15 each way usually depending on whatever mood Uber was in that day. Just ridiculous. | Jun 17 02:54 |
| arbition | If I had the time, I'd be doing an EV conversion. Picking a good platform might be difficult though, and safety is still an issue. Wonder how many safety features are computer driven these days | Jun 17 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | Then one of the drivers got on the freeway going the wrong way. | Jun 17 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the good frames are so heavy they NEEDED a a V8 or at least a large block V6 to pull them. | Jun 17 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | I can't imagine that the EV motors would do well on those. | Jun 17 02:56 |
| arbition | EV motors would be fine, but heavy means more batteries, so that part not so fine | Jun 17 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | This is just outright Communist shit. | Jun 17 02:56 |
| arbition | Decent EV motors have masses of torque, but the power to weight ratio is poor | Jun 17 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | The market doesn't want them so Illinois is stealing from me and Mandy to buy some rich asshole a Tesla with a $4,000 rebate (on top of the federal one). | Jun 17 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's on top of them tearing up the roads and not paying a gas tax. | Jun 17 02:57 |
| arbition | I'm talking about installing your own EV system, so you have more control of it | Jun 17 02:57 |
| arbition | making it more maintanable | Jun 17 02:57 |
| arbition | Not buying a Tesla or whatever | Jun 17 02:57 |
| arbition | *power to weight ratio is poor because of all the batteries | Jun 17 02:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.blender.org | [Bf-committers] Release planning update - Blender 3.0 later | Jun 17 02:59 | |
| arbition | In some sense torque from an EV is limited only by how well you can cool it. Practically there is a limit because heat dissipation is equivalent to the square | Jun 17 03:00 |
| arbition | square of power | Jun 17 03:00 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Purism shows off new features coming to PureOS for the Librem 5 smartphone (camera software, wireless toggles, screen rotation and more) • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152367 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Purism shows off new features coming to PureOS for the Librem 5 smartphone (camera software, wireless toggles, screen rotation and more) | Tux Machines | Jun 17 03:01 | |
| arbition | but then you just put in a bigger motor and better cooling jackets. Or just put 1 motor per wheel | Jun 17 03:01 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Metabase : The ultimate Swiss knife open-source for getting insightful answers from databases • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152368 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Metabase: The ultimate Swiss knife open-source for getting insightful answers from databases | Tux Machines | Jun 17 03:01 | |
| arbition | Then maybe you can do torque vectoring, like the Mercedes SLS Electric | Jun 17 03:01 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Wasmer 2.0 Released With Significantly Faster Runtime Performance, Quicker Deserialization - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Wasmer-2.0-Released ䷉ #Phoronix #programming 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 03:02 |
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| arbition | no the square thing isn't quite right, it's directly equivalent to power, but it becomes a heat density issue | Jun 17 03:02 |
| techrights-bot/fn | GNU C Library Lands Year 2038 Handling For Legacy ABIs - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Glibc-More-Y2038-Work ䷉ #Phoronix #gnu #programming | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 03:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 03:02 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152369 | Jun 17 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 17 03:04 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Last month plans were published for #Fedora Cloud 35 to use the #Btrfs file-system by default, similar to Fedora Workstation using Btrfs by default for several releases. That plan has now been signed off on by FESCo allowing for this change to happen." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-Cloud-35-Doing-Btrfs | Jun 17 03:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora Cloud 35 Approved To Use Btrfs By Default - Phoronix | Jun 17 03:05 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Hossein Nourikhah joins the TDF team as Developer Community Architect - The Document Foundation Blog | Jun 17 03:07 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SUSE Linux Enterprise / openSUSE Leap Pursuing x86_64-v2 Optimized Libraries - Phoronix | Jun 17 03:08 | |
| DaemonFC | https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/06/17/next-democrat-exelon-communist-edison-bailout-forces-illinois-taxpayers-to-rebate-rich-people-4000-on-their-tesla/ | Jun 17 03:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Next Democrat Exelon “Communist Edison” bailout forces Illinois taxpayers to rebate rich people $4,000 on their Tesla. – BaronHK's Rants | Jun 17 03:09 | |
| DaemonFC | Ariadne, ^ | Jun 17 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | There you go. | Jun 17 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | Err, arbition | Jun 17 03:09 |
| arbition | Like the issue with low speed torque is similar to a IC Engine anyway. You load the engine too much in low revs and it will shudder. It's not happy. That's why it has a gearbox. If low speed torque is a significant issue, add a gearbox. Electric cars don't typically have much of a gearbox because they don't need them in the application they're used in. | Jun 17 03:10 |
| arbition | lol that's politics not engineering | Jun 17 03:10 |
| arbition | I'm not even in the US of A | Jun 17 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | Engineering by politicians. | Jun 17 03:10 |
| arbition | Market manipulation, if you want to call that engineering | Jun 17 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much. | Jun 17 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | The Soviets decided what their "customers" would buy too. | Jun 17 03:11 |
| arbition | Yeah I got that already. I wasn't remotely talking about that. | Jun 17 03:11 |
| arbition | I'm literally talking about doing it yourself | Jun 17 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | Our government is just doing it by making gasoline unaffordable and then offering us some of our own money back if we buy one of these shitass EVs. | Jun 17 03:12 |
| arbition | taking a rolling shell and doing it yourself | Jun 17 03:12 |
| arbition | Which is pretty fitting considering the previous discussion about having to buy cars with tracking. Do it yourself, make sure your control systems don't need that shit | Jun 17 03:13 |
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| arbition | Plus a bit of right to repair FU | Jun 17 03:14 |
| arbition | to manufacturers | Jun 17 03:14 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | "Andrew Lee can't just let Freenode collapse, every step of the way he keep kicking it faster down the hill and now he has actually done it, #Freenode might now be actually dead." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjSA5ag5fes | Jun 17 03:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Freenode Is Now Dead: Birth Of A New Freenode - YouTube | Jun 17 03:17 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.snopes.com/ap/2021/06/16/computer-trouble-hits-hubble-space-telescope-science-halted/ | Jun 17 03:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Computer Trouble Hits Hubble Space Telescope, Science Halted | Snopes.com | Jun 17 03:19 | |
| AdmFubar | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/16/053220&from=rss | Jun 17 03:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | 'Unplanned' Outages Hit Texas Power Plants in Soaring Temperatures - SoylentNews | Jun 17 03:20 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | RC skateboard moves in any direction | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/16/rc-skateboard-moves-in-any-direction/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 03:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | RC skateboard moves in any direction | Arduino Blog | Jun 17 03:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 03:20 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | One president called it "shithole country" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/16/053220&from=rss | Jun 17 03:21 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.cnet.com/news/mr-trash-wheel-is-gobbling-up-millions-of-pounds-of-trash/ | Jun 17 03:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mr. Trash Wheel is gobbling up millions of pounds of trash - CNET | Jun 17 03:22 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Alternative is, get people to be responsible about littering https://www.cnet.com/news/mr-trash-wheel-is-gobbling-up-millions-of-pounds-of-trash/ | Jun 17 03:23 |
| arbition | Makes me think of the futility of recycling. Aluminium excepted. But anyway, I'm now for well designed incinerators. Sure it releases CO2, but if the alternative is microplastics and litter flying around everywhere, it's the lesser of 2 evils. | Jun 17 03:24 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "One of my favorite command line utilities is "awk" which is a text-processing program. It is mostly used for pattern scanning and processing. In this video, I will give examples of some of the basic #awk commands, and show you some of the ways that I often use awk." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YOZmI-zWok | Jun 17 03:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learning Awk Is Essential For Linux Users - YouTube | Jun 17 03:25 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #FLOSSWeekly 634: Web Development with #Wasp ⚓ https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/634 ䷉ #twittv | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 03:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twit.tv | Web Development with Wasp | Jun 17 03:26 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Stephen Smoogen: Working with Raspberry PI4 systems http://smoogespace.blogspot.com/2021/06/working-with-raspberry-pi4-systems.html #raspi #gnu #linux | Jun 17 03:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smoogespace.blogspot.com | SmoogeSpace: Working with Raspberry PI4 systems | Jun 17 03:28 | |
| XRevan86 | Navalny consciously ignored the law while leaving to Germany unconscious. | Jun 17 03:29 |
| techrights-bot/fn | My internship at the FSF, and the domino effect of thoughts " #FreeSoftwareFoundation ⚓ https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/my-internship-at-the-fsf-and-the-domino-effect-of-thoughts ䷉ #FSF #GNU #FreeSW #SoftwareFreedom | Jun 17 03:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | My internship at the FSF, and the domino effect of thoughts — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Jun 17 03:30 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210616/12034247004/content-moderation-case-study-youtube-relocates-video-accused-inflated-views-2014.shtml | Jun 17 03:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Content Moderation Case Study: YouTube Relocates Video Accused Of Inflated Views (2014) | Techdirt | Jun 17 03:31 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Lenovo To Support Configuring #ThinkPad BIOS From Within Linux - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Lenovo-Think-LMI-Driver ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | Jun 17 03:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo To Support Configuring ThinkPad BIOS From Within Linux - Phoronix | Jun 17 03:32 | |
| XRevan86 | https://img.znak.com/1075449.jpg cool photo | Jun 17 03:32 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/amazon_fake_reviews/ | Jun 17 03:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Amazon says it's all social media's fault for letting fake review schemes thrive • The Register | Jun 17 03:33 | |
| arbition | XRevan86: What are they transporting? | Jun 17 03:33 |
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| XRevan86 | arbition: That's Navalny being transported while consciously ignoring the law | Jun 17 03:34 |
| arbition | Ah. Wasn't sure if it was a person. Looks a bit weird... and short | Jun 17 03:34 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Latest in the anti- #fsf coup http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151827#comment-29966 see http://techrights.org/2021/06/02/gcc-copyright-assignment/ | Jun 17 03:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FSF Copyright Assignment and GCC, GCC 9.4 Released | Tux Machines | Jun 17 03:34 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | It Remains Largely Unclear Whose Idea It Was to Change GCC Copyright Assignment Practices (or How/Why It Started) | Techrights | Jun 17 03:34 | |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/06/16/pragmatic-dialogue | Jun 17 03:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Jun 17 03:35 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | New Videos of #LinuxMint 20.2 Beta • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152370 | Jun 17 03:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Videos of Linux Mint 20.2 Beta | Tux Machines | Jun 17 03:35 | |
| XRevan86 | Mm, the original quote is better. | Jun 17 03:35 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Mike Blumenkrantz: Suballocate Me https://www.supergoodcode.com/suballocate-me/ | Jun 17 03:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.supergoodcode.com | Suballocate Me – Mike Blumenkrantz – Super. Good. Code. | Jun 17 03:36 | |
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| arbition | lol whataboutism | Jun 17 03:36 |
| XRevan86 | Putin said "consciously" twice: first about leaving Russia, second about returning. | Jun 17 03:36 |
| XRevan86 | arbition: Yes, and that's in response to direct questions. | Jun 17 03:36 |
| XRevan86 | He's a master at dodging questions. There were memes about that a decade ago. | Jun 17 03:37 |
| arbition | Funny that the USSR was well known for using it. | Jun 17 03:37 |
| arbition | I guess he wasn't KGB for nothing | Jun 17 03:37 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #VirtIO -GPIO Guest Driver Updated For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=VirtIO-GPIO-Driver-Linux ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 03:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VirtIO-GPIO Guest Driver Updated For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix | Jun 17 03:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 03:38 | |
| XRevan86 | arbition: Yea, Russian official media is consumed with whataboutism | Jun 17 03:38 |
| XRevan86 | it's a major instrument | Jun 17 03:39 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "It's been 3 weeks since I started the Outreachy internship, I've done a lot but at the same time, I don't think I've done anything." Internship take up a lot of time (of mentors) https://open-sourceress.com/everyone-struggles/ | Jun 17 03:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-open-sourceress.com | Everyone struggles! | Open Sourceress | Jun 17 03:39 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 03:40 |
| arbition | So is China's | Jun 17 03:41 |
| arbition | Also their Social media | Jun 17 03:41 |
| MinceR | i wonder if the khuilo is mocking Navalny or just lying | Jun 17 03:41 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #fedora 'community' is dying under #ibm because after the anti- #fsf attacks, the #centoOS thing etc. people don't want to be unpaid volunteers of IBM, which is also boosting #microsoft https://fedoramagazine.org/write-for-fedora-magazine-please/ | Jun 17 03:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Write for Fedora Magazine, please! - Fedora Magazine | Jun 17 03:41 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I think he's either confused about the official story or just thought the Western listener would take his word for it. | Jun 17 03:42 |
| techrights-bot/fn | " #MakanDelrahim gave an impassioned speech. He's trying to dissuade his successor, who (as Mr. Delrahim noted) has yet to be named almost eight years after the elections, from undoing his patentee-friendly policies." http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/former-assistant-attorney-general-makan.html | Jun 17 03:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Former Assistant Attorney General Makan Delrahim, fighting for his legacy, says yet-to-be-named successor should have 'regulatory humility' in face of court rulings | Jun 17 03:42 | |
| XRevan86 | "maybe not everything is clear about this Navalny character's actions…" | Jun 17 03:43 |
| techrights-bot/fn | On 'owning' names https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/miley-cyrus-can-use-name-trademark-europe-after-long-running-row-2021-06-16/ #euipo is profoundly corrupt. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO | Jun 17 03:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Miley Cyrus can use name as trademark in Europe after long-running row | Reuters | Jun 17 03:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights | Jun 17 03:43 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Godot Engine - Godot Web progress report #8: Progressive Web Apps ⚓ https://godotengine.org/article/godot-web-progress-report-8 ䷉ #godotengine #deletegithub | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 03:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Godot Web progress report #8: Progressive Web Apps | Jun 17 03:45 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "There is a new application available for Sparkers: #FrostWire " https://sparkylinux.org/frostwire/ #sparkylinux #debian #gnu #linux | Jun 17 03:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | FrostWire – SparkyLinux | Jun 17 03:47 | |
| *XRevan86 watches the video on freenode | Jun 17 03:47 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Daniel Vrátil: Building RC LEGO with #Arduino and #Qt ⚓ https://www.dvratil.cz/2021/06/rc-lego-part-1-design/ ䷉ #dvratil | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 03:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dvratil.cz | Daniel Vrátil's blog | Jun 17 03:47 | |
| XRevan86 | The migration… was offered to rasengan… and he just didn't want that… | Jun 17 03:47 |
| *XRevan86 screams into the void. | Jun 17 03:48 | |
| rbraun/fn | XRevan86, there's a lot of whataboutism in american establishment discourse now too | Jun 17 03:48 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: tell me if it's any good | Jun 17 03:48 |
| schestowitz | I have not watched it yet | Jun 17 03:48 |
| schestowitz | this guy follows techrights | Jun 17 03:48 |
| MinceR | what video? | Jun 17 03:48 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I've watched 5 minutes, and so far there hasn't been any false statement. | Jun 17 03:48 |
| MinceR | this one? >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjSA5ag5fes | Jun 17 03:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Freenode Is Now Dead: Birth Of A New Freenode - YouTube | Jun 17 03:49 | |
| XRevan86 | apart from this new information that I just didn't know before | Jun 17 03:49 |
| arbition | I only saw a quote about draining the swamp with the migration | Jun 17 03:49 |
| arbition | No idea if he actually said that | Jun 17 03:50 |
| MinceR | maybe only the trolls said that | Jun 17 03:50 |
| XRevan86 | > IRCCloud was not klined by mistake. | Jun 17 03:50 |
| *XRevan86 screams some more | Jun 17 03:50 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #socialcontrolmedia = lies factory and #astroturfing https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/amazon_fake_reviews/ | Jun 17 03:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Amazon says it's all social media's fault for letting fake review schemes thrive • The Register | Jun 17 03:50 | |
| MinceR | well yeah, that is known | Jun 17 03:50 |
| XRevan86 | I am so uneasy right now | Jun 17 03:51 |
| schestowitz | [03:50] <XRevan86> > IRCCloud was not klined by mistake. | Jun 17 03:52 |
| schestowitz | do they plan to compete with it? | Jun 17 03:52 |
| schestowitz | like SHells? | Jun 17 03:52 |
| schestowitz | some clownish offering? | Jun 17 03:52 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: "freenode Bouncer" is a thing now, yes. | Jun 17 03:52 |
| MinceR | it was a(n unwise) answer to this >> https://nitter.fdn.fr/IRCCloud/status/1397475744448663564 | Jun 17 03:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.fdn.fr | IRCCloud (@IRCCloud): "The Freenode network is under new management, and the new staff have taken over hundreds of legitimate channels. We strongly urge anyone still connected to that network to check that your channels are safe and take immediate steps to move to another network." | FDNitter | Jun 17 03:52 | |
| arbition | So here's the snippet I saw, don't know if it's what was actually said https://0x0.st/-L59.txt | Jun 17 03:52 |
| XRevan86 | yea, freenode is totally not about cancel culture | Jun 17 03:53 |
| XRevan86 | freenode is a victim of it | Jun 17 03:53 |
| schestowitz | Is it liBEra or LIbera? | Jun 17 03:53 |
| XRevan86 | from "to be"? | Jun 17 03:53 |
| MinceR | it's [proːˈsɛrpɪna] :> | Jun 17 03:53 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Libera_(mythology)&redirect=no | Jun 17 03:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Libera (mythology) - Wikipedia | Jun 17 03:54 | |
| MinceR | goddess of wine | Jun 17 03:54 |
| MinceR | (Libera, that is) | Jun 17 03:54 |
| XRevan86 | freenode Jobs is a hilarious idea by the way | Jun 17 03:54 |
| MinceR | i already like it more than steve jobs | Jun 17 03:54 |
| XRevan86 | step #1: destroy projects on freenode | Jun 17 03:54 |
| XRevan86 | step #2: make a service that depends on projects | Jun 17 03:55 |
| XRevan86 | found the first mistake: 9:30 he says that FSF moved after the reset happened | Jun 17 03:56 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yes, it's a decent video | Jun 17 03:56 |
| XRevan86 | I think it's because of the most recent post-mortem post from FSF | Jun 17 03:57 |
| XRevan86 | and that was the only mistake | Jun 17 03:58 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: hey, when i connect to my localhost 2008 image of freenode.. | Jun 17 03:58 |
| CrystalMath | do you think i should call myself... ChristelMath? | Jun 17 03:58 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 03:59 |
| XRevan86 | There is always some missed fact by me that somehow makes freenode look even worse. | Jun 17 04:00 |
| arbition | I'm still trying to work out what was meant by <rasengan> Everyone thinks they can just say whatever they want. Lesson #1 for IRC: Think before you type. | Jun 17 04:01 |
| arbition | Surely saying whatever you want is freedom | Jun 17 04:01 |
| XRevan86 | There are limits to that like death-threats being an absolute no-no | Jun 17 04:02 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yes, I watched the whole thing, it does cover key points | Jun 17 04:04 |
| MinceR | what's the death threat? | Jun 17 04:04 |
| arbition | OK Sure. But I don't think that's what he's talking about here. He's talking about consequences are real. The thing about freedom, is yes we have radical freedom, that's not the freedom that we talk about. We talk about freedom from unreasonable restraints. EG free speech. Free Speech usually referring to the ability to criticise politicans without consequence. In this context, | Jun 17 04:04 |
| arbition | presumably we're talking about a different scope, the politics of the IRC channel. Saying this says that criticism is off limits, and therefore it's not free | Jun 17 04:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's just an example of what not to say | Jun 17 04:04 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 17 04:04 |
| XRevan86 | arbition: Yea, I think that rasengan likes to talk about being a victim of cancel culture, while not understanding anything about what those words mean. While doing things that are pretty darn close to being that. | Jun 17 04:05 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: the hypocrisy is the problem | Jun 17 04:10 |
| schestowitz | given the huge number of channels, people, services etc.banned | Jun 17 04:10 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I have no sympathy left for rasengan | Jun 17 04:10 |
| schestowitz | anyway, by now almost all our meaningful activity is here | Jun 17 04:10 |
| XRevan86 | when he came here, I was talking to him, trying to understand what exactly happened | Jun 17 04:10 |
| schestowitz | and thus we're not to be afraid of network operators | Jun 17 04:11 |
| XRevan86 | I thought that he's an okay person | Jun 17 04:11 |
| schestowitz | I have many chatlogs with him | Jun 17 04:11 |
| schestowitz | he's not a bad person | Jun 17 04:11 |
| schestowitz | but I think he has lost touch of what's happening | Jun 17 04:11 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: He intentionally let down everyone who supported him. | Jun 17 04:11 |
| schestowitz | and yesterday he ruined my whole day (or 2 days ago, it's 4am here) | Jun 17 04:11 |
| XRevan86 | people who don't value their friends deserve none | Jun 17 04:12 |
| schestowitz | I had to BEG people to give me op | Jun 17 04:12 |
| schestowitz | in my own channels | Jun 17 04:12 |
| schestowitz | that I had set up more than a decade ago | Jun 17 04:12 |
| schestowitz | because he wouldn't even pass key data to the 'new' freenode | Jun 17 04:12 |
| XRevan86 | He single-handedly undid freenode with several decisions. It wasn't just one decision. | Jun 17 04:13 |
| XRevan86 | he took control of it and led it to this | Jun 17 04:13 |
| schestowitz | at one point he tried offering me hosting, but I declined | Jun 17 04:13 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I wouldn't trust him with the safety of my data. | Jun 17 04:14 |
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| XRevan86 | I don't know the backgrounds of the people behind Libera, and I haven't heard a single justified thing that paints a bad picture of the operator work on Libera. | Jun 17 04:16 |
| XRevan86 | To me it looks like they did the best job in all this mess to maintain freenode as it was. | Jun 17 04:17 |
| MinceR | it's hard to find out about backgrounds with eyes shut | Jun 17 04:17 |
| XRevan86 | And in that I am grateful. | Jun 17 04:17 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: that's how freeenode was too | Jun 17 04:19 |
| schestowitz | at one point | Jun 17 04:19 |
| schestowitz | things can change | Jun 17 04:19 |
| schestowitz | and you clearly are not in control | Jun 17 04:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Frankly, I am just not as vindictive about the anti-RMS letter, and the local bans in #freenode / #libera aren't particularly important. | Jun 17 04:20 |
| schestowitz | I've tried since April to keep Freenode sort of in one piece | Jun 17 04:20 |
| schestowitz | but it then became a chain of blunders | Jun 17 04:20 |
| XRevan86 | > I've tried since April to keep Freenode sort of in one piece | Jun 17 04:20 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That was a wasted effort. | Jun 17 04:20 |
| schestowitz | and tuesday I hardly got any sleep | Jun 17 04:20 |
| schestowitz | tried to retain our community | Jun 17 04:20 |
| schestowitz | which took us 13 years to build | Jun 17 04:20 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: not a waste | Jun 17 04:21 |
| schestowitz | you should always try | Jun 17 04:21 |
| schestowitz | and can change the outcome | Jun 17 04:21 |
| schestowitz | how would you know without at least trying? | Jun 17 04:21 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: would you be more "vindictive" about it if it succeeded? | Jun 17 04:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And that is also justification for their efforts, because they've gotten the closest to succeeding. | Jun 17 04:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm still more reluctant about chasing people for personal decisions that could've been made in good faith. | Jun 17 04:22 |
| schestowitz | jumping between pods isn't the answer | Jun 17 04:22 |
| schestowitz | same for social control media | Jun 17 04:22 |
| schestowitz | I was on mastodon.technology | Jun 17 04:22 |
| schestowitz | then gnusocial.de | Jun 17 04:22 |
| schestowitz | then pleroma.site | Jun 17 04:22 |
| schestowitz | and now I'm no longer in fediverse | Jun 17 04:22 |
| schestowitz | I gave up | Jun 17 04:22 |
| schestowitz | 3 strikes | Jun 17 04:22 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's about maintaining the status quo that served you good for 13 years. Until rasengan came along. | Jun 17 04:22 |
| schestowitz | lessons learned: hosting in schestowitz.com | Jun 17 04:22 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i don't see the good faith in cancel culture | Jun 17 04:23 |
| MinceR | especially when it's led by corporations that are inimical to free software | Jun 17 04:23 |
| rbraun/fn | schestowitz: what happened that led you to give up on each of those | Jun 17 04:23 |
| schestowitz | LC has no business model | Jun 17 04:23 |
| schestowitz | and it's costly to run | Jun 17 04:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I could use the example of Аriadne again. | Jun 17 04:23 |
| schestowitz | rbraun: sites shut down | Jun 17 04:23 |
| schestowitz | except the first | Jun 17 04:24 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i can't see into her mind | Jun 17 04:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: freenode has never needed a business model. | Jun 17 04:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Notice how freenode, Ltd. was not involved in actual operations, and it somehow worked. | Jun 17 04:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's the problem, right? | Jun 17 04:24 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2017/11/23/mastodon-is-oppressive/ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/you-should-write | Jun 17 04:24 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2017/11/21/mastodon-free-speech/ | Jun 17 04:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I just don't assume too much. | Jun 17 04:25 |
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| XRevan86 | Even on rasengan I've started forming an opinion only when I started getting answers. | Jun 17 04:25 |
| XRevan86 | and now I have an opinion, not a good one | Jun 17 04:25 |
| schestowitz | at the end we're just as vibrant than before and no longer worry about some "other" network http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-160621.html | Jun 17 04:26 |
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| XRevan86 | I've looked at what Ariadne does. And I have a good opinion of her. | Jun 17 04:26 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jun 17 04:26 |
| XRevan86 | these other people in the Libera staff? I never crossed them, they never crossed me. | Jun 17 04:26 |
| schestowitz | well, rasengan is a bit of a charlatan | Jun 17 04:26 |
| Ariadne | my decision to sign the RMS letter had nothing to do with its contents | Jun 17 04:26 |
| Ariadne | and i would say many others just signed it because they want to move *forward*, not *backward8 | Jun 17 04:27 |
| schestowitz | rms has high self esteem | Jun 17 04:27 |
| schestowitz | like this halo stuff | Jun 17 04:27 |
| MinceR | signing a paper without concern for its contents is pretty strange | Jun 17 04:27 |
| schestowitz | where forward may mean giving up | Jun 17 04:27 |
| schestowitz | like adoption of bad things | Jun 17 04:27 |
| XRevan86 | And I'm not going to just take someone's word on that they're good/bad. Whatever, they've done their job fine for a very long time. | Jun 17 04:27 |
| schestowitz | exactly what we don't need concessions on | Jun 17 04:27 |
| MinceR | still, i would hope that people in the first block of signatures, like garrett and mcgovern, would at least know what they signed | Jun 17 04:28 |
| schestowitz | or created | Jun 17 04:28 |
| schestowitz | co-created | Jun 17 04:28 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: well, i mean, i agree that the incidents in the letter aren't optimal. but that wasn't why i decided to sign it | Jun 17 04:28 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: you mean you've managed to not get in their way for a "very long time" | Jun 17 04:28 |
| Ariadne | i signed it because i wanted the board to reconsider putting RMS back in charge of FSF | Jun 17 04:28 |
| schestowitz | last update" | | Jun 17 04:28 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: what incidents? a bunch of red hat/gnome people having trouble understanding written english? | Jun 17 04:28 |
| schestowitz | ehashman Remove "Dmitry Kochnev" | Jun 17 04:28 |
| schestowitz | … | Jun 17 04:28 |
| schestowitz | 8c8d7a8 | Jun 17 04:28 |
| schestowitz | 9 days ago | Jun 17 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Git stats | Jun 17 04:28 |
| schestowitz | That letter did not work out too well at the end | Jun 17 04:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Probably. And yet some people I know have fallen from rasengan. | Jun 17 04:29 |
| Ariadne | the letter was pointless | Jun 17 04:29 |
| XRevan86 | the banhammer is strong with this one | Jun 17 04:29 |
| Ariadne | and, at this point, i don't really care if RMS is on the FSF board or not | Jun 17 04:29 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jun 17 04:29 |
| schestowitz | that's progress | Jun 17 04:29 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I'm among them | Jun 17 04:30 |
| Ariadne | not really, that has been my position for a while now | Jun 17 04:30 |
| schestowitz | assuming "root" was really him | Jun 17 04:30 |
| Ariadne | what *I* want is the FSF to have actually effective leadership | Jun 17 04:30 |
| schestowitz | they face big barriers | Jun 17 04:30 |
| schestowitz | challenges, obstacles | Jun 17 04:30 |
| schestowitz | IBM just gave more money to gnome foundation | Jun 17 04:30 |
| schestowitz | I could joke it's like a reward for the attacks | Jun 17 04:31 |
| MinceR | i don't see how people ibm likes would lead the FSF effectively | Jun 17 04:31 |
| schestowitz | IBM isn't done yet | Jun 17 04:31 |
| schestowitz | we might need to finish off IBM before it finished us off | Jun 17 04:31 |
| MinceR | unless you mean leading them into extinction | Jun 17 04:31 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'm not sure, it's either rasengan or a front to anonymise staff. | Jun 17 04:31 |
| schestowitz | *finishes | Jun 17 04:31 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: i want people like leah rowe, actually, behind the wheel at FSF | Jun 17 04:31 |
| rbraun/fn | XRevan86: that's a good way to be, about the networks. A lot of people assumed stuff one way or the other. And in the end, the networks decided what to make people think of them, and neofreenode didn't make a good impression | Jun 17 04:31 |
| Ariadne | she can't be bought | Jun 17 04:31 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: and they wouldn't cancel Leah Rowe the same? | Jun 17 04:31 |
| Ariadne | she can take it | Jun 17 04:31 |
| MinceR | there was someone here recently who wanted something to be done to Leah | Jun 17 04:31 |
| schestowitz | everyone can be canceled | Jun 17 04:32 |
| MinceR | couldn't tell me what they wanted though | Jun 17 04:32 |
| schestowitz | if they lack dirt, they make some up | Jun 17 04:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: But if it's the latter, the boldness of some statements that came out of it isn't neutral enough for a staff account. | Jun 17 04:32 |
| MinceR | i guess i was supposed to guess | Jun 17 04:32 |
| schestowitz | like Garrett toll trying to associate me with rape | Jun 17 04:32 |
| schestowitz | and then with transphobia, by quoting random people from IRC | Jun 17 04:32 |
| schestowitz | recently, OSI Pres tried to claim homophobia | Jun 17 04:32 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: "taking it" is immaterial to how many people sign some hatchet job on microsoft shithub, if the FSF board obey them | Jun 17 04:32 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know he was gay | Jun 17 04:33 |
| schestowitz | old tricks, no evidence | Jun 17 04:33 |
| XRevan86 | rbraun: I am only human and I know I can't know all, so I limit the scope of opinions I allow myself to form. | Jun 17 04:33 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: well they didn't obey it for RMS, so? | Jun 17 04:33 |
| XRevan86 | If I state an opinion, it means I consider myself to have a certain understanding of the situation. | Jun 17 04:33 |
| rbraun/fn | he also tried to claim wikipedia was cancelling him by "people with too much time on their hands" not allowing him to whitewash his organization's page | Jun 17 04:33 |
| MinceR | presumably they saw that over 3x that many support RMS and the board | Jun 17 04:33 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: also, they did manage to cancel RMS earlier | Jun 17 04:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe next they will tell us RMS is "genocidal" for speaking to Brazilians about overpopulation http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ | Jun 17 04:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights | Jun 17 04:34 | |
| Ariadne | lets not talk about numbers, the actual developers were definitely on one side of that thing | Jun 17 04:34 |
| schestowitz | because RMS is a bigger problem than overpopulation ^_^ | Jun 17 04:34 |
| Ariadne | and it was not the pro-RMS side | Jun 17 04:34 |
| Ariadne | to be clear | Jun 17 04:34 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: certainly to ibm | Jun 17 04:34 |
| schestowitz | IBM is cleaning up the human race | Jun 17 04:34 |
| schestowitz | eugenics | Jun 17 04:35 |
| schestowitz | "good" genetics | Jun 17 04:35 |
| Ariadne | but i don't really care to debate this bikeshed again | Jun 17 04:35 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ | Jun 17 04:35 |
| MinceR | they'll try again, eh? | Jun 17 04:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBM’s Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights | Jun 17 04:35 | |
| MinceR | not sure what this has to do with bikesheds | Jun 17 04:35 |
| schestowitz | it's not longer "hip" for IBM to help removed "blown" people... | Jun 17 04:35 |
| schestowitz | *remove | Jun 17 04:35 |
| schestowitz | now they use blacks to pretend IBM is "woke" | Jun 17 04:35 |
| MinceR | they failed in 1945, but there still are nazis around | Jun 17 04:35 |
| schestowitz | and pay them to play along with that lie, I saw an example yesterday | Jun 17 04:35 |
| Ariadne | its time for people to drop the all the shit infighting and get to work | Jun 17 04:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they had to change course | Jun 17 04:36 |
| MinceR | and ibm has better tech to catalogue people they want killed | Jun 17 04:36 |
| schestowitz | because the nazis lost at the end | Jun 17 04:36 |
| schestowitz | had the nazis won't, IBM would be "eugenics market leader" | Jun 17 04:36 |
| schestowitz | *won | Jun 17 04:36 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: it is not in ibm's interests for the infighting to stop until free software is destroyed | Jun 17 04:36 |
| rbraun/fn | schestowitz: root *was* and *is* rasengan, at least on the main (not split off) parts of the net | Jun 17 04:36 |
| rbraun/fn | schestowitz: 23:36 [Freenode] -!- rasengan [~rasengan@freenode/user/root] | Jun 17 04:36 |
| rbraun/fn | current whois | Jun 17 04:36 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: i mean, i can't refute or support that, as i'm not IBM | Jun 17 04:37 |
| schestowitz | rbraun: thanks, so very bad optics | Jun 17 04:37 |
| schestowitz | IBM will tell us it is "woke" and against "racism" (means, we remove words like "master") | Jun 17 04:37 |
| schestowitz | while fighting to remove also "Slavs", lterally | Jun 17 04:37 |
| rbraun/fn | unless you got messages from "root" on a part of the net that had no services (nickserv), it was rasengan | Jun 17 04:37 |
| schestowitz | and fighting for Pentagon contracts until the US drops another nuke | Jun 17 04:38 |
| schestowitz | https://www.democracynow.org/2021/6/15/nato_warns_of_china_russia_threats | Jun 17 04:38 |
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| MinceR | i thought the Second Cold War wasn't even over yet | Jun 17 04:38 |
| schestowitz | NEW: https://truthout.org/video/pentagon-papers-whistleblower-reveals-us-weighed-1958-nuclear-strike-on-china/ | Jun 17 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Pentagon Papers Whistleblower Reveals US Weighed 1958 Nuclear Strike on China | Jun 17 04:38 | |
| schestowitz | IBM | Jun 17 04:38 |
| schestowitz | the nuclear arsenal housekeeper | Jun 17 04:38 |
| schestowitz | we're woke | Jun 17 04:39 |
| schestowitz | NUKE china, MONEY! | Jun 17 04:39 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Jun 17 04:39 |
| schestowitz | so we can sell more floppy disks and crap | Jun 17 04:39 |
| schestowitz | IBM is helpful in some areas | Jun 17 04:40 |
| schestowitz | but that's increasingly outweighed by harms | Jun 17 04:40 |
| schestowitz | which they do either directly or by proxy | Jun 17 04:40 |
| MinceR | maybe they already sold the parts that were helpful | Jun 17 04:40 |
| schestowitz | they think openshit [sic] will take over | Jun 17 04:40 |
| schestowitz | if they keep attacking everything else | Jun 17 04:40 |
| MinceR | or they "laid off" the people who were helpful | Jun 17 04:40 |
| schestowitz | and so far it has not worked out for them | Jun 17 04:40 |
| schestowitz | because Krishna and AllowHurst don't understand Linux, they DO NOT EVEN USE IT! | Jun 17 04:41 |
| schestowitz | they're like rasengan | Jun 17 04:41 |
| schestowitz | they have NO CLUE how we think and work | Jun 17 04:41 |
| rbraun/fn | on his macbook air ;) | Jun 17 04:41 |
| schestowitz | they write books | Jun 17 04:41 |
| schestowitz | "The Open Org" | Jun 17 04:41 |
| schestowitz | "open" | Jun 17 04:41 |
| schestowitz | from their Macs | Jun 17 04:41 |
| kingoffrance | in ibm linux, linux use you? :) | Jun 17 04:41 |
| schestowitz | like rasengan from his iphone and Mac | Jun 17 04:41 |
| Ariadne | i mean | Jun 17 04:41 |
| Ariadne | i have an iphone | Jun 17 04:42 |
| Ariadne | i have some macs | Jun 17 04:42 |
| Ariadne | i also have some linux machines | Jun 17 04:42 |
| schestowitz | I'm not pro-Android either | Jun 17 04:42 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne adopted Slackware in the 90s | Jun 17 04:42 |
| Ariadne | for a while, i switched to debian in 2004 | Jun 17 04:42 |
| schestowitz | Allowhurst just messed around with Fedora to get the red haat job | Jun 17 04:42 |
| schestowitz | after Delta had floundered | Jun 17 04:42 |
| schestowitz | Roblimo told me some stories about it | Jun 17 04:43 |
| schestowitz | off the record | Jun 17 04:43 |
| schestowitz | we spoke for aboyt 3 hours | Jun 17 04:43 |
| schestowitz | he died a year later | Jun 17 04:43 |
| schestowitz | Allowhurst is a master pretender | Jun 17 04:43 |
| Ariadne | that has been the vibe i've always gotten | Jun 17 04:43 |
| schestowitz | Roblimo met him in person several times | Jun 17 04:43 |
| schestowitz | btw, roblimo had worked for NSA | Jun 17 04:44 |
| schestowitz | and the army | Jun 17 04:44 |
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| Ariadne | right now, i'm using a macbook instead of a linux-based laptop because my x86 laptop has a shattered display | Jun 17 04:46 |
| Ariadne | someday, my new display will arrive from china | Jun 17 04:46 |
| Ariadne | i do not really like macOS that much | Jun 17 04:46 |
| Ariadne | it used to be tolerable like 10 years ago | Jun 17 04:46 |
| Ariadne | but they've gone like, full GNOME on it | Jun 17 04:46 |
| Ariadne | and its so strange | Jun 17 04:46 |
| Ariadne | it feels like i'm using a FOSS desktop (and i don't mean that to be a compliment) | Jun 17 04:47 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Xilinx announces Versal AI Edge Series with Cortex-A72 & R5 cores, FPGA fabric - CNX Software ⚓ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/17/xilinx-announces-versal-ai-edge-series-with-cortex-a72-r5-cores-fpga-fabric/ ䷉ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | Jun 17 04:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Xilinx announces Versal AI Edge Series with Cortex-A72 & R5 cores, FPGA fabric - CNX Software | Jun 17 04:47 | |
| Ariadne | well, KDE is pretty decent | Jun 17 04:47 |
| Ariadne | as is XFCE | Jun 17 04:47 |
| Ariadne | but GNOME 40 is just... strange | Jun 17 04:47 |
| XRevan86 | I am really okay with my Android 5 device, except that I started getting a weird waving image when applying pressure on the screen, and I think it's a sign of battery bloat. | Jun 17 04:47 |
| Ariadne | and macOS 11 feels a lot like GNOME 40 | Jun 17 04:47 |
| XRevan86 | If I disappear my smartphone may have exploded %) | Jun 17 04:48 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #ksw swallows the #wayland pill https://szopa.org.pl/kde/2021/06/16/KDE-Goals-June-2021.html | Jun 17 04:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-szopa.org.pl | KDE Goals Update – June 2021 | Adam Szopa | Jun 17 04:48 | |
| MinceR | funny, i thought it was still gnome that copied macos | Jun 17 04:48 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #kde swallows the #wayland pill https://szopa.org.pl/kde/2021/06/16/KDE-Goals-June-2021.html | Jun 17 04:48 |
| rbraun/fn | Ariadne: full GNOME 3, ya mean? GNOME 2 was basically designed like classic macos meets modern things | Jun 17 04:48 |
| Ariadne | rbraun: yes | Jun 17 04:49 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: yes, seems to be the other way around now | Jun 17 04:49 |
| Ariadne | macOS 11 is so awful | Jun 17 04:49 |
| MinceR | which did the widgets in the title bar first? | Jun 17 04:49 |
| Ariadne | GNOME | Jun 17 04:49 |
| MinceR | oh, lol | Jun 17 04:49 |
| Ariadne | but macOS 11 copied | Jun 17 04:49 |
| MinceR | i thought it was the other way around | Jun 17 04:50 |
| Ariadne | you might because of itunes | Jun 17 04:50 |
| MinceR | because i (thankfully) don't see macos that often | Jun 17 04:50 |
| Ariadne | but itunes was the only thing that did that | Jun 17 04:50 |
| MinceR | yeah, didn't itunes have it first? | Jun 17 04:50 |
| Ariadne | in macOS 11, almost everything has it | Jun 17 04:50 |
| Ariadne | macOS dark mode is also ugly as fuck | Jun 17 04:51 |
| MinceR | anyway, apparently having oversized bars on top of the window with unnecessary stuff inside is the "modern" thing now :> | Jun 17 04:51 |
| MinceR | i don't think i've seen macos dark mode, except possibly title bars on screen shots | Jun 17 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Lenovo adding kernel drivers for ThinkPads and ThinkBooks now. | Jun 17 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git/commit/?h=review-hans&id=a40cd7ef22fbb11229cf982920f4ec96c1f49282 | Jun 17 04:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git - Linux x86 platform drivers tree | Jun 17 04:52 | |
| Ariadne | my desktop is aarch64 honeycomb machine running alpine | Jun 17 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | It allows users to change BIOS settings from within the OS using WMI. | Jun 17 04:52 |
| Ariadne | 100% free software in the firmware | Jun 17 04:52 |
| Ariadne | i have a radeon gpu though | Jun 17 04:52 |
| Ariadne | so still a binary blob for that ;/ | Jun 17 04:53 |
| Ariadne | but linux loads that | Jun 17 04:53 |
| rbraun/fn | has a great free driver, at least, unlike nvidia | Jun 17 04:53 |
| Ariadne | i am trying to banish x86 from my life | Jun 17 04:53 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● [Old] ● ☞ Tarsnap Architecture http://tilde.town/~magical/tarsnap.html | Jun 17 04:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tilde.town | Tarsnap architecture | Jun 17 04:54 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #JanPietMens ☞ SSH with a SmartCard-HSM and EC keys https://jpmens.net/2021/06/16/ssh-with-a-smartcard-hsm/ | Jun 17 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jpmens.net | Jan-Piet Mens :: SSH with a SmartCard-HSM and EC keys | Jun 17 04:55 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Kernel : AMD, VirtIO, Lenovo and Mpre • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152371 #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: AMD, VirtIO, Lenovo and Mpre | Tux Machines | Jun 17 04:55 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Graphics : Wayland in KDE and Mike Blumenkrantz on Zink • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152372 #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Wayland in KDE and Mike Blumenkrantz on Zink | Tux Machines | Jun 17 04:56 | |
| arbition | I think a lot of people are, but it's only starting to become feasible. Intel dropping the ball with their process node helps. | Jun 17 04:56 |
| arbition | Can't remember if nVidia finalised aquiring ARM though | Jun 17 04:56 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #LiamProven ☞ Did you know that you can 100% legally get & run #WordPerfect for free? https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/80768.html | Jun 17 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liam-on-linux.livejournal.com | Did you know that you can 100% legally get & run WordPerfect for free?: liam_on_linux — LiveJournal | Jun 17 04:57 | |
| arbition | I think they did, and that's not a great road eithre | Jun 17 04:57 |
| MinceR | that doesn't sound like it will do ARM any favors anyway | Jun 17 04:57 |
| MinceR | right | Jun 17 04:57 |
| MinceR | but then there's TrustZone anyway | Jun 17 04:57 |
| arbition | There's been a little movement recently on making silicon more accessible for open hardware, but that's fundamentally a difficult problem | Jun 17 04:57 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #VentureBeat #Programming ☞ U.S. Supreme Court sends #Microsoft #LinkedIn data-scraping suit back to lower court https://venturebeat.com/2021/06/14/u-s-supreme-court-sends-linkedin-data-scraping-suit-back-to-lower-court/ | Jun 17 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-U.S. Supreme Court sends LinkedIn data-scraping suit back to lower court | VentureBeat | Jun 17 04:57 | |
| MinceR | i wonder if the EU is planning to start manufacturing processors around here so that maybe we'll have processors without usian or chinese or russian backdoors in them | Jun 17 04:57 |
| arbition | by that I mean silicon design and manufacture | Jun 17 04:58 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #WSWS #china #cn #assange ☞ Ai Weiwei’s artwork in support of Julian Assange rejected by Firstsite #UK exhibition https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/14/weiw-j14.html so UK is like China? Cancelling dissent? | Jun 17 04:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Ai Weiwei’s artwork in support of Julian Assange rejected by Firstsite UK exhibition - World Socialist Web Site | Jun 17 04:58 | |
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| arbition | Given the discussion on IBM before, I'm guessing POWER isn't too popular either? Sorry I haven't read much in the way of a backlog of articles | Jun 17 04:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▇▆▅▄▅▅▅▆▄▄▃▇▄▁▂█▇▆▇▄▅▄▅▇▅▆█▂█▇▅▅▇▁ avg(k/sec) 35.66 ▕ IPFS upstream: █▂█▃▁▂▂▃▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▃▁▃▂▂▁█▂▂▂▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 49.43 ⟲ | Jun 17 04:59 |
| arbition | Because otherwise Talos touts itself as an open alternative | Jun 17 04:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Microsoft Windows TCO: ● #TheRegisterUK #ProprietarySoftware ☞ #Ryuk #ransomware recovery cost us $8.1m and counting, says Baltimore school authority https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/baltimore_ryuk_ransomware_dollars_8_1m_recovery_cost/ | Jun 17 05:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Ryuk ransomware recovery cost us $8.1m and counting, says Baltimore school authority • The Register | Jun 17 05:01 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #JeffGeerling #ProprietarySoftware #amazon #crap ☞ AWS S3 Glacier Deep Archive - Difficulty deleting files with accents https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2021/aws-s3-glacier-deep-archive-difficulty-deleting-files-accents http://techrights.org/2020/06/10/the-bezos-leaning-ploy/ | Jun 17 05:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jeffgeerling.com | AWS S3 Glacier Deep Archive - Difficulty deleting files with accents | Jeff Geerling | Jun 17 05:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | AWS is Not GNU/Linux and AWS Certification is a Bezos-Leaning Ploy That Rewards People for Memorising Proprietary Interfaces (Vendor Lock-in) | Techrights | Jun 17 05:01 | |
| schestowitz | [04:52] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Lenovo adding kernel drivers for ThinkPads and ThinkBooks now. | Jun 17 05:02 |
| schestowitz | yes, I saw that and mentioned it twice | Jun 17 05:02 |
| schestowitz | seems Lenovo becomes more pro-Linux than IBM ^_^ | Jun 17 05:03 |
| schestowitz | but IBM is a low standard | Jun 17 05:03 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Microsoft Windows TCO: ● #TheEconomist ☞ The methods and menace of the new bank robbers https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/06/16/the-methods-and-menace-of-the-new-bank-robbers | Jun 17 05:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The methods and menace of the new bank robbers | The Economist | Jun 17 05:03 | |
| MinceR | arbition: i don't know. i know they're expensive and i know i don't want to give ibm any money | Jun 17 05:04 |
| MinceR | also, since i want to be able to move around, i tend to prefer laptops | Jun 17 05:04 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #Confidentiality ☞ #Security flaw found in 2G mobile data encryption standard https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/security-flaw-found-in-2g-mobile-data-encryption-standard/83570839 | Jun 17 05:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | security flaw: Security flaw found in 2G mobile data encryption standard, IT News, ET CIO | Jun 17 05:04 | |
| MinceR | generally the lighter the better | Jun 17 05:04 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TheHill #Confidentiality ☞ Researchers discover flaw in 2G mobile #encryption algorithm https://thehill.com/policy/technology/558815-researchers-discover-flaw-in-2g-mobile-encryption-algorithm | Jun 17 05:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Researchers discover flaw in 2G mobile encryption algorithm | TheHill | Jun 17 05:05 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #ABC #Confidentiality ☞ #Security flaw found in #2G mobile data #encryption standard https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/security-flaw-found-2g-mobile-data-encryption-standard-78309008 | Jun 17 05:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com | Security flaw found in 2G mobile data encryption standard - ABC News | Jun 17 05:05 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #KrebsOnSecurity #ukraine ☞ Ukrainian Police Nab Six Tied to #CLOP #Ransomware https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/ukrainian-police-nab-six-tied-to-clop-ransomware/ Klopp :-) | Jun 17 05:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Ukrainian Police Nab Six Tied to CLOP Ransomware – Krebs on Security | Jun 17 05:06 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I used to loathe laptops | Jun 17 05:07 |
| schestowitz | hard to repair and upgrade | Jun 17 05:07 |
| schestowitz | but now it's good in case of things like moving things around, outages etc. | Jun 17 05:07 |
| schestowitz | no need to buy UPS | Jun 17 05:07 |
| schestowitz | today we even took a little laptop out of town | Jun 17 05:08 |
| schestowitz | weighs about 1kg, cost 150 pounds anew, 4 years ago | Jun 17 05:08 |
| schestowitz | laptops used to be very expensive | Jun 17 05:08 |
| schestowitz | the overhyped ones still are.... like paying 10 times more for a better processor | Jun 17 05:08 |
| schestowitz | not ARM | Jun 17 05:08 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #WSWS #nytimes ☞ New York Times marks 50 years since #PentagonPapers , ignoring persecution of Julian #Assange https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/16/pent-j16.html | Jun 17 05:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | New York Times marks 50 years since Pentagon Papers, ignoring persecution of Julian Assange - World Socialist Web Site | Jun 17 05:10 | |
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| arbition | I've always gone for big heavy laptops. | Jun 17 05:13 |
| arbition | At the moment my laptop is 6 years old though. Haven't seen anything good enough at a reasonable pricepoint to warrant moving. My desktop is similarly aged | Jun 17 05:14 |
| arbition | I'm kind of at a crossroads so I don't have a criteria set for what I'd get as a replacement | Jun 17 05:14 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Virtual Injustice -- Part 9 will be ready shortly. #epo #corruption #europe #germany #de | Jun 17 05:14 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Build a Raspberry Pi Pico piano https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/build-a-raspberry-pi-pico-piano/ | Jun 17 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Build a Raspberry Pi Pico piano - Raspberry Pi | Jun 17 05:18 | |
| MinceR | i'm considering an Asus ExpertBook B9 | Jun 17 05:19 |
| schestowitz | asus are good | Jun 17 05:19 |
| schestowitz | the hardware quality | Jun 17 05:19 |
| schestowitz | acer also | Jun 17 05:20 |
| schestowitz | i had some good and bad experiences with hp | Jun 17 05:20 |
| schestowitz | taiwanese companies have decent components it seems... | Jun 17 05:20 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ "Destiny 2" Creator Bungie Sues Cheat Seller AimJunkies for Copyright Infringement https://torrentfreak.com/destiny-2-creator-bungie-sues-cheat-seller-aimjunkies-for-copyright-infringement-210616/ | Jun 17 05:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Destiny 2" Creator Bungie Sues Cheat Seller AimJunkies for Copyright Infringement * TorrentFreak | Jun 17 05:21 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Court Sentences Operator of Danish Torrent Trackers to Prison https://torrentfreak.com/court-sentences-operator-of-danish-torrent-trackers-to-prison-210616/ | Jun 17 05:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Court Sentences Operator of Danish Torrent Trackers to Prison * TorrentFreak | Jun 17 05:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://torrentfreak.com/when-aussies-face-a-blocked-pirate-site-59-simply-give-up-dont-try-legal-options-210520/ | Jun 17 05:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When Aussies Face a Blocked Pirate Site, 59% Simply Give Up & Don't Try Legal Options * TorrentFreak | Jun 17 05:27 | |
| MinceR | there's a shocker | Jun 17 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | When people in Australia face a blocked pirate site 59% give up and do not pay for the thing they were looking for, and 12% find some other way to pirate the thing they were looking for. | Jun 17 05:28 |
| arbition | Yeah the options here for legal content sucks. Then there's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Tax | Jun 17 05:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Australia Tax - Wikipedia | Jun 17 05:28 | |
| DaemonFC | So, at best, the "loss" to the industry would be 29% of what it says it is. | Jun 17 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | That sort of confirms that pirates won't pay anything. | Jun 17 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://torrentfreak.com/devs-sneak-movie-piracy-apps-into-app-store-disguised-as-other-things-210615/ | Jun 17 05:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Devs Sneak Movie Piracy Apps Into App Store Disguised as Other Things * TorrentFreak | Jun 17 05:31 | |
| DaemonFC | Using obfuscated code, pirate streaming apps were approved and added to the iOS app store. | Jun 17 05:32 |
| arbition | Yeah, Chinese do that too | Jun 17 05:32 |
| MinceR | the whole 'walled garden' concept is really working, isn't it? :> | Jun 17 05:33 |
| arbition | heh | Jun 17 05:33 |
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| arbition | When my wife showed me one, I was like thinking, how can you trust these apps. At least on the web you can use script blockers and stuff. | Jun 17 05:34 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | Expensive defense lawyer of rich people: no, my client is not lying, or or she said what's believed to be true, even if unintentionally false. Well, such a lawyer isn't a lawyer but a liar. Liars attract other liars. | Jun 17 05:41 |
| psydroid | > [notice] fedoramagazine.org | Write for Fedora Magazine, please! - Fedora Magazine | Jun 17 05:41 |
| psydroid | "Si. pero en español" "I’m sorry that there are no plans for other language writing for Fedora Magazine. There has been some discussion I believe about translating it though, but I am unaware of the progress with it or indeed if any has been made." LOL | Jun 17 05:41 |
| arbition | Mechanism of US dominance? | Jun 17 05:42 |
| arbition | I mean yes there's the UK, but they're not exactly renegades | Jun 17 05:42 |
| arbition | I guess as much as app stores are a tool of lock-in, language is too. | Jun 17 05:44 |
| arbition | Though it's probably not entirely intentional | Jun 17 05:45 |
| Ariadne | <root> FOSS is INCLUSION! FOSS is FREEDOM! FOSS is DIFFERENT OPINIONS! FOSS is FORKS! FOSS is DIFFERENT FORKS COMING TOGETHER TO YET SUCCEED ON SHARED GOALS! FOSS IS TRUE! BIG FOSS IS SILLY AND ISN'T FOSS! BIG FOSS TAKES ADVANTAGE OF YOU! DON'T BE USED LIKE A TOOL! YOU ARE NOT A FOOL! FORK YOUR WORK! END BIG FOSS! GET THE FORKS OUT! THE DIGITAL PITCH FORKS! BIG FOSS NO MORE! POWER TO THE | Jun 17 05:45 |
| Ariadne | wut | Jun 17 05:45 |
| arbition | Referring to the OSI? | Jun 17 05:46 |
| Ariadne | referring to god knows what | Jun 17 05:46 |
| Ariadne | root = rasengan = andrew lee | Jun 17 05:46 |
| arbition | my understanding is the OSI intends to be in opposition to the FSF | Jun 17 05:46 |
| arbition | I mean, he's pretty much taking the anti corporate line, which is a strong theme here. Unfortunately his approach to it is giving it a bad name. | Jun 17 05:47 |
| arbition | Which opens the possibility of whether this was all a set up | Jun 17 05:47 |
| Ariadne | i dont think so | Jun 17 05:47 |
| Ariadne | i think in this case 'big foss' is the irc dev community which have basically agreed to not give him any assistance | Jun 17 05:47 |
| arbition | Wasn't someone saying before that Libera is showing signs of big corporate woke-ness? | Jun 17 05:48 |
| Ariadne | who cares about libera | Jun 17 05:48 |
| Ariadne | self hosting is where its at | Jun 17 05:48 |
| arbition | well, I suppose I could make reference to what I was saying before about app stores, accessibility and lockin | Jun 17 05:49 |
| Ariadne | alpine's plan A was to self-host the irc, but then shit hit the fan | Jun 17 05:49 |
| Ariadne | so we wound up on oftc | Jun 17 05:49 |
| Ariadne | because standing up a production quality irc network that can handle the size of alpine's community is not so easy | Jun 17 05:49 |
| arbition | Well, so long as he doesn't start invoking RMS and FSF, because that will really do bad things for reputation | Jun 17 05:51 |
| arbition | to the FSF that is | Jun 17 05:51 |
| schestowitz | arbition: FOSS of Macbook Air! Macbook Air is FOSS! | Jun 17 05:52 |
| Ariadne | i hope it has become obvious to everyone why i do not want andrew involved in the FOSS supply chain by now | Jun 17 05:52 |
| schestowitz | or Microsoft... NPM supply chain | Jun 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | GitHub supply chain | Jun 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | NSA in the supply chain | Jun 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | yay | Jun 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | maybe they can impose "export" rules | Jun 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | "sorry, your request cannot be processed from iran. download blocked" | Jun 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | Work in progress: http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/linux-foundation-microsoft-outsourcing/ | Jun 17 05:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because It’s Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | Techrights | Jun 17 05:54 | |
| arbition | ouch | Jun 17 05:54 |
| schestowitz | reality imitates fiction | Jun 17 05:54 |
| schestowitz | LF = I am woke | Jun 17 05:54 |
| schestowitz | Zemlin: I married Sheela | Jun 17 05:54 |
| Ariadne | there are certainly other problems in the supply chain | Jun 17 05:54 |
| schestowitz | LF - no FOSS for you! | Jun 17 05:54 |
| schestowitz | Zemlin: FOSS is iPad! | Jun 17 05:54 |
| arbition | I'm just remembering what I was saying yesterday about China and export controls with Open Source. humm | Jun 17 05:55 |
| schestowitz | "export" | Jun 17 05:55 |
| schestowitz | export my software from my website | Jun 17 05:55 |
| schestowitz | unzip the exported file | Jun 17 05:55 |
| Ariadne | cryptographic export controls are from a different era and are an example of State violence | Jun 17 05:55 |
| schestowitz | wget is an export program | Jun 17 05:55 |
| schestowitz | curl also | Jun 17 05:56 |
| schestowitz | curl needs to delete github | Jun 17 05:56 |
| schestowitz | curl is piracy export program | Jun 17 05:56 |
| schestowitz | it can export illegal things | Jun 17 05:56 |
| arbition | I mean, it would follow that corporate america follows the US government | Jun 17 05:56 |
| Ariadne | arbition: yes, because if they do not, the State will wreck their shit | Jun 17 05:57 |
| gustaf | arbition: the OSI and FSF parted ways like ... 25 years ago | Jun 17 05:57 |
| Ariadne | we should protest export controls at large | Jun 17 05:57 |
| arbition | right, I'm saying the OSI is basically a corporate puppet | Jun 17 05:57 |
| schestowitz | it got worse a few years ago | Jun 17 05:57 |
| schestowitz | and patrick left last year | Jun 17 05:58 |
| schestowitz | also left abruptly | Jun 17 05:58 |
| schestowitz | in a bad state | Jun 17 05:58 |
| arbition | So I'm suggesting that rasengans rant is now shovelling dirt on grassroots open source and is making corporate open source look even shinier | Jun 17 05:58 |
| gustaf | the OSI is barely relevant, but a bit more so than the FSF, when it comes to public perceptions of FLOSS | Jun 17 05:58 |
| schestowitz | they don't know how to edit the wiki or run an OSI election | Jun 17 05:58 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft can help them | Jun 17 05:58 |
| schestowitz | github straw poll | Jun 17 05:58 |
| schestowitz | GitHub is FOSS!!! | Jun 17 05:58 |
| gustaf | arbition: rasengan has a very shallow understanding of the nuances of open source | Jun 17 05:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅█▅▇█▆▅▆▇▅▂▃█▇▅▇█▆▅▃▂▇▇▃▄▁▄▅▃▃▇▅▇▆▁ avg(k/sec) 39.13 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂█▂▁▂▂▁█▁▂█▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▁█▂▃▂▁▂█▁█▁▁▂█▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 57.78 ⟲ | Jun 17 05:59 |
| gustaf | ESR's blog is still offline | Jun 17 05:59 |
| arbition | Yes, but guilt is frequently by association. A large number of developers are going to see that and not investigate deeper | Jun 17 05:59 |
| Ariadne | gustaf: nothing of value was lost | Jun 17 05:59 |
| schestowitz | they tried to hijack the brand | Jun 17 05:59 |
| schestowitz | that's OK, ages ago we moved back to Free software | Jun 17 06:00 |
| schestowitz | and they will not hijack that term so easily | Jun 17 06:00 |
| schestowitz | it's harder to fake freedom | Jun 17 06:00 |
| arbition | Ah ok. Will keep it in mind | Jun 17 06:00 |
| schestowitz | some github repo doesn't impress people who value freedom | Jun 17 06:00 |
| gustaf | Ariadne: not sure who's running Freenode's Twitter account but it sure doesn't sound like Lee... I love how they're screenshotting a line by @sadie on IRC instead of ,y'know, replying to her on Twitter... | Jun 17 06:00 |
| arbition | So I should be saying free software as the licence is more important than the access | Jun 17 06:00 |
| Ariadne | as theo de raadt says, "i do free software, i have no idea what open source is" | Jun 17 06:00 |
| Ariadne | gustaf: thats a common mobbing tactic | Jun 17 06:01 |
| gustaf | yeah I can see it ... | Jun 17 06:01 |
| schestowitz | no context this way | Jun 17 06:01 |
| schestowitz | maybe the context or replies scare them | Jun 17 06:01 |
| arbition | It does make me think though. Will Free software eventually be forced to operate much like piracy operations. | Jun 17 06:01 |
| schestowitz | Twitter is a waste of time | Jun 17 06:02 |
| schestowitz | it should never be any project's formal comms tool | Jun 17 06:02 |
| arbition | Sort of wonder what it'd be like if the entire Free Software ecosystem was on Tor or i2p or whatever | Jun 17 06:02 |
| schestowitz | or government's | Jun 17 06:02 |
| schestowitz | see Nigeria | Jun 17 06:02 |
| gustaf | Ariadne: well Theo cuts to the heart of the matter, right? To him, BSD is "free software", but RMS disagrees that it's "Free Software" | Jun 17 06:02 |
| schestowitz | FSF gave him an award | Jun 17 06:02 |
| gustaf | Ariadne: re: size of communities for IRC self-hosting, how large is #alpine + ancillary channels? | Jun 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | also, we use some of their software, they use ours, or so the thinking goes... | Jun 17 06:03 |
| Ariadne | gustaf: ~2k users | Jun 17 06:03 |
| gustaf | Ariadne: ta | Jun 17 06:03 |
| gustaf | schestowitz: did he accept? ;) | Jun 17 06:03 |
| Ariadne | gustaf: the problem isn't one of capacity, but rather coming up with a plan to deal with herding ~2k users | Jun 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: who? | Jun 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok | Jun 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | yes, he did | Jun 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | but later he'd mock RMS | Jun 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | seems like an fsf tradition | Jun 17 06:04 |
| gustaf | de Raadt is a bit of a dick | Jun 17 06:04 |
| schestowitz | rewarding RMS bashers | Jun 17 06:04 |
| Ariadne | for techrights, i just threw up a container in like 5 minutes using the official ergo ircd whatever container image | Jun 17 06:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/03/20/bradley-kuhn-fsf-award/ | Jun 17 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why Does the FSF Keep Rewarding People Who Work Against the FSF’s Founder? | Techrights | Jun 17 06:04 | |
| Ariadne | ohh ohh ohh | Jun 17 06:04 |
| Ariadne | i know why! | Jun 17 06:04 |
| Ariadne | wanna know why schestowitz? | Jun 17 06:04 |
| schestowitz | go on | Jun 17 06:04 |
| Ariadne | the FSF awards are basically RMS's way of trying to make peace offerings with people he pissed off | Jun 17 06:05 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Agreed with Twitter, it tends to encourage individuals with narcissistic tendencies. | Jun 17 06:05 |
| arbition | Perfectly cynical. I love it | Jun 17 06:05 |
| arbition | (the FSF award I mean) | Jun 17 06:05 |
| Ariadne | theo de raadt got an award after ripping on RMS | Jun 17 06:06 |
| Ariadne | bradley kuhn got an award after ripping on RMS | Jun 17 06:06 |
| Ariadne | etc | Jun 17 06:06 |
| XFaCE | Actually Theo went off after getting the award. | Jun 17 06:06 |
| XFaCE | Not that it matters. | Jun 17 06:07 |
| schestowitz | yes, it usually comes AFTER | Jun 17 06:07 |
| Ariadne | well i would not want to argue with our resident openbsd person :) | Jun 17 06:07 |
| schestowitz | de Icaza, Nicholson | Jun 17 06:07 |
| XFaCE | My existence is a political issue. | Jun 17 06:08 |
| Ariadne | whose isn't | Jun 17 06:08 |
| XFaCE | Most peoples | Jun 17 06:08 |
| schestowitz | Also, SFC backed the anti-RMS letter | Jun 17 06:08 |
| schestowitz | just DAYS after the Kuhn award | Jun 17 06:08 |
| schestowitz | although not under his name | Jun 17 06:08 |
| Ariadne | gustaf: anyway, in case of alpine, "lol throw up an ircd" isn't enough of a plan | Jun 17 06:08 |
| Ariadne | the infrastructure team wanted to establish an IRC team to handle the IRC network, which we were working on, but then shit hit the fan and we decided "fuck it, plan B" | Jun 17 06:09 |
| gustaf | I got an email from a reader of my coverage who found it "suspicious" that Libera was up and running | Jun 17 06:09 |
| gustaf | so fast | Jun 17 06:09 |
| Ariadne | it does not take that long to set up an irc network with puppet | Jun 17 06:10 |
| Ariadne | if you have a plan | Jun 17 06:10 |
| Ariadne | in the case of libera, they already had a plan: just duplicate what freenode had already set up | Jun 17 06:10 |
| gustaf | I think the draft resignation letters leaked around 14 May | Jun 17 06:10 |
| gustaf | and flag day was 19 ? | Jun 17 06:10 |
| schestowitz | 'leaked' | Jun 17 06:11 |
| arbition | I don't see why that's a suprise. People are allowed to commune in secret | Jun 17 06:11 |
| gustaf | gonna reply that old FN staff was *competent*, unlike current | Jun 17 06:11 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210610/19155846970/after-eight-years-three-reviews-case-indiana-supreme-court-rules-police-must-return-seized-car-to-owner.shtml | Jun 17 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Eight Years And Three Reviews Of The Case, Indiana Supreme Court Rules Police Must Return Seized Car To Its Owner | Techdirt | Jun 17 06:11 | |
| arbition | Well the leak I can't speak to | Jun 17 06:11 |
| gustaf | arbition: I mean if you're not extremely online this came as a bit of a shock | Jun 17 06:11 |
| gustaf | I however am, for my sins :P | Jun 17 06:12 |
| arbition | I'm just saying that they were cooperatively drafting their departure isn't a suprise. | Jun 17 06:12 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: the leak predates 14th http://techrights.org/2021/05/14/how-freenode-works/ | Jun 17 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Understanding How Freenode (IRC) Works — or Doesn’t Work — in 2021 | Techrights | Jun 17 06:12 | |
| Ariadne | gustaf: i had the resign letters on may 10th | Jun 17 06:12 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/indian_job_cuts_boa/ | Jun 17 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Three million job cuts coming at Indian services giants by next year, says Bank of America • The Register | Jun 17 06:13 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/05/13/freenode-advice/ | Jun 17 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Need for Reliable Governance at Freenode | Techrights | Jun 17 06:13 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/05/13/private-internet-access-and-freenode/ | Jun 17 06:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access/London Trust Media Increasingly Owns and Controls Freenode (Updatedx2) | Techrights | Jun 17 06:14 | |
| gustaf | arbition: agreed | Jun 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | 13th | Jun 17 06:14 |
| techrights-bot/fn | While the rich are getting a lot richer. https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/indian_job_cuts_boa/ | Jun 17 06:15 |
| gustaf | thanks for the links all | Jun 17 06:16 |
| AdmFubar | https://hackaday.com/2021/06/16/the-other-first-computer-konrad-zuse-and-the-z3/ | Jun 17 06:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Other First Computer: Konrad Zuse And The Z3 | Hackaday | Jun 17 06:17 | |
| arbition | Well this hasn't gone quite as I'd planned. I've spent a lot of time here I've "borrowed". I suppose I'll just keep up with techrights and read logs occasionally. I'd better go or else be faced with temptation | Jun 17 06:22 |
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| arbition | Thanks for chatting. I'm glad I found you guys | Jun 17 06:22 |
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| AdmFubar | time for bed here night all | Jun 17 06:32 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | A lot of the time people who lack the talent call those who have it "bigots" because they lack another way to compete | Jun 17 07:28 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | Dash to Panel GNOME Shell Extension Turns GNOME 40 Into KDE Plasma or Windows 10 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152373 | Jun 17 07:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dash to Panel GNOME Shell Extension Turns GNOME 40 Into KDE Plasma or Windows 10 | Tux Machines | Jun 17 07:37 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Devices: Xilinx, TI, NVIDIA, and Raspberry Pi • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152374 | Jun 17 07:37 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | Open Hardware/Moddig Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152375 | Jun 17 07:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Moddig Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 17 07:38 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #jeffbezos https://www.change.org/p/the-proletariat-do-not-allow-jeff-bezos-to-return-to-earth | Jun 17 07:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Petition · Do not allow Jeff Bezos to return to Earth · Change.org | Jun 17 07:50 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #vista11 Look "Inspired" by KDE Plasma and GNOME? We try to find out. • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152376 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Windows 11 Look "Inspired" by KDE Plasma and GNOME? We try to find out. | Tux Machines | Jun 17 07:53 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.michaelgeist.ca | Null and Void: Speaker of the House of Commons Strikes Down Numerous Bill C-10 Amendments - Michael Geist | Jun 17 08:25 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #FBI Director Ignores More Than 500 Ongoing Capitol Raid Prosecutions To Complain That #Encryption Is Keeping Criminals From Being Caught https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/19005246991/fbi-director-ignores-more-than-500-ongoing-capitol-raid-prosecutions-to-complain-that-encryption-is-keeping-criminals-being.shtml | Jun 17 08:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FBI Director Ignores More Than 500 Ongoing Capitol Raid Prosecutions To Complain That Encryption Is Keeping Criminals From Being Caught | Techdirt | Jun 17 08:27 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Internet ☞ #ATandT Whines About Biden Focus On Community #Broadband https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/05484646985/att-whines-about-biden-focus-community-broadband.shtml | Jun 17 08:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AT&T Whines About Biden Focus On Community Broadband | Techdirt | Jun 17 08:28 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Virtual Injustice — Part 9: Heli, the EPO’s Nordic Ice-Queen http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa/ #finland #epo #swpats #patents #europe | Jun 17 08:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice — Part 9: Heli, the EPO’s Nordic Ice-Queen | Techrights | Jun 17 08:33 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | [Meme] Tilting the Scales for #SoftwarePatents http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/epo-ip-expansionism/ #swpats #patents #europe #epo | Jun 17 08:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Tilting the Scales for Software Patents | Techrights | Jun 17 08:54 | |
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| gustaf | g'morn | Jun 17 09:25 |
| gustaf | if someone has a working weechat /filter for the bot chatter, I'd like to see it... I had one that worked on the old network but for some reason it's not correct here | Jun 17 09:26 |
| schestowitz | you mean techrights-bot/fn? | Jun 17 09:37 |
| schestowitz | if your IRC client does not support muting for whatever reason, a shadow botless channel can be constructed, I suppose, but would be performance overkill | Jun 17 09:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #FBI #windows #microsoft #ransomware ☞ FBI's Recovery Of Colonial Pipeline Bitcoin Ransom Highlights How The 'Ban Crypto To Stop Ransomware' Cries Were Wrong Again https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/10020946997/fbis-recovery-colonial-pipeline-bitcoin-ransom-highlights-how-ban-crypto-to-stop-ransomware-cries-were-wrong-again.shtml | Jun 17 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FBI's Recovery Of Colonial Pipeline Bitcoin Ransom Highlights How The 'Ban Crypto To Stop Ransomware' Cries Were Wrong Again | Techdirt | Jun 17 09:40 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/irc-log-160621/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/irc-log-160621/ | Jun 17 09:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 | Techrights | Jun 17 09:45 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #TeamCampinos is full of people who instead of grasping and working to promote innovation are boosting the agenda of litigation (scientists are not being employed) • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa/ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO #corruption #patents #fi | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa/ | Jun 17 09:45 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Shovelling up lots of #patents , even #fakepatents such as #softwarepatents , dooms the #EPO (EPC violations, lawlessness), dooms European professionals • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/epo-ip-expansionism/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/epo-ip-expansionism/ | Jun 17 09:46 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "MsPL has a clause added specifically and only to make it incompatible with the GPL and related licenses." https://mastodon.social/@rysiek/106411547785515426 | Jun 17 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Rysiekúr Memesson: "@lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz MsPL has a clause …" - Mastodon | Jun 17 09:49 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Discovering that two high profile #Windows #security offerings can not co-exist on the same system because they both depend on (and supply, writing to a system directory of course) a library that's officially abandonware and whose authors recommend strongly against using due to non-mitigatable exploitability." https://mastodon.social/@pitrh/106419095167096922 | Jun 17 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Peter N. M. Hansteen: "Discovering that two high profile Windows securit…" - Mastodon | Jun 17 09:50 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Ooh, didn’t realise you could subscribe to an RSS feed by just entering the site’s url into Feedbin. That saves a lot of time hunting around for a hidden feed!" https://mastodon.laurakalbag.com/@laura/106420446307254089 | Jun 17 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.laurakalbag.com | Laura Kalbag: "Ooh, didn’t realise you could subscribe to an RSS…" - Mastodon | Jun 17 09:50 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "RLW used a color printer to print the docs she leaked, and the model of printer in her office printed yellow #trackerDots. Then #wikileaks scanned the docs, and the tracker dots appeared on the digital copy that #wikileaks published, which trivially traced to RLW's office." https://newsbots.eu/@democracynow/106415570520682138 | Jun 17 09:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Democracy Now!: "**NSA Whistleblower Reality Winner Released from …" - NewsBots.eu | Jun 17 09:51 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | was burned by an ENEMY of #wikileaks -- Mr. Omidyar and his flunkies -- whereas Wikileaks and myself back then cautioned against use of printers because of these hidden dots. STOP BLAMING WIKILEAKS FOR THE WRONG THINGS! | Jun 17 09:53 |
| techrights-bot/fn | There seems to be a misunderstanding! Reality Winner was burned by an ENEMY of #wikileaks -- Mr. Omidyar and his flunkies -- whereas Wikileaks and myself back then cautioned against use of printers because of these hidden dots. STOP BLAMING WIKILEAKS FOR THE WRONG THINGS! | Jun 17 09:53 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #socialcontrolmedia = #misinformation amplifier | Jun 17 09:54 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "We (Sequoia, https://sequoia-pgp.org) are looking to hire a devop engineer to maintain and expand our CI, setup some benchmarking infrastructure, keep our web services running like dump.sequoia-pgp.org, etc." https://mastodon.social/@nwalfield/106392757551055888 | Jun 17 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sequoia-pgp.org | Sequoia-PGP | Jun 17 09:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Neal Walfield: "We (Sequoia, https://sequoia-pgp.org) are looking…" - Mastodon | Jun 17 09:54 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #de #pirateparty on "EU Crisis Protocol" https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/106417250951540176 | Jun 17 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "I have requested access: https://www.asktheeu.org…" - chaos.social | Jun 17 09:55 | |
| gustaf | schestowitz: I'll try to recreate my filters | Jun 17 09:55 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #freenode has only itself to blame now... https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/16/0619247 | Jun 17 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Freenode Commits Suicide - Deletes All Its Users - SoylentNews | Jun 17 09:55 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Censorship ☞ Content Moderation Case Study: #YouTube Relocates Video Accused Of Inflated Views (2014) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210616/12034247004/content-moderation-case-study-youtube-relocates-video-accused-inflated-views-2014.shtml | Jun 17 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Content Moderation Case Study: YouTube Relocates Video Accused Of Inflated Views (2014) | Techdirt | Jun 17 09:58 | |
| schestowitz | gustaf: the usernames are consistent by design | Jun 17 09:58 |
| gustaf | schestowitz: that's great! I'm new to weechat so its filtering is a bit confusing | Jun 17 09:59 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: if you ask to revoke the signature in the "Remove RMS" letter and suggest someone like leah, then we can do a constructive article about that | Jun 17 10:35 |
| schestowitz | I think the FSF would appreciate that, too | Jun 17 10:35 |
| schestowitz | at the moment I am doing an article about GNU C Library (glibc) and GNU Portability Library (gnulib) | Jun 17 10:35 |
| Ariadne | well i no longer support the updated position of the letter anyway | Jun 17 10:40 |
| Ariadne | however, if i choose to remove the signature, i do not wish to have an article about that. | Jun 17 10:41 |
| Ariadne | as in: i will be very annoyed if techrights covers the removal of my signature | Jun 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I know | Jun 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | hence I brought that up | Jun 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | well, if you do remove it, I promise not to mention it | Jun 17 10:45 |
| schestowitz | I actually discussed a month ago with RMS and Oliva how people who want to be removed would think twice from fear of the removal becoming a visible event | Jun 17 10:45 |
| schestowitz | because Oliva wanted to make it easier for people to just make it clear they have some remorse | Jun 17 10:46 |
| schestowitz | but said nobody would wish to "go first" | Jun 17 10:46 |
| Ariadne | RMS gave what i wanted as a precondition for his rejoining the board anyway: a union-elected seat on the board | Jun 17 10:46 |
| Ariadne | he made several other concessions | Jun 17 10:47 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #patents ☞ Think Tech Companies Are Too Monopolistic? Then Stop Giving Them #Patent #Monopolies https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/07470746988/think-tech-companies-are-too-monopolistic-then-stop-giving-them-patent-monopolies.shtml | Jun 17 10:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Think Tech Companies Are Too Monopolistic? Then Stop Giving Them Patent Monopolies | Techdirt | Jun 17 10:48 | |
| Ariadne | so i am fine with it. what i did not want was a return to what it was in the past. | Jun 17 10:48 |
| schestowitz | the issues have changed | Jun 17 10:48 |
| schestowitz | right now it's the CLA thing | Jun 17 10:48 |
| Ariadne | yes, i want to abolish the CLA | Jun 17 10:48 |
| schestowitz | my next article is about this | Jun 17 10:49 |
| Ariadne | anybody who wants to send a patch to a GNU software should be able to do so | Jun 17 10:49 |
| Ariadne | as it is in linux | Jun 17 10:49 |
| Ariadne | but regardless RMS did not just meet, but exceeded what i wanted | Jun 17 10:49 |
| Ariadne | also i have talked to people in FSF and the main reason for having RMS back is to plan for his succession | Jun 17 10:51 |
| Ariadne | and well i have no objection to that. it’s a conversation that has been needed for a long time | Jun 17 10:51 |
| schestowitz | over a decade | Jun 17 10:52 |
| schestowitz | we spoke about this in 2007 in Techrights | Jun 17 10:52 |
| schestowitz | he was a lot younger back then, so it wasn't as rude, it wasn't like talking about a 70 year old like he's on his deathbed | Jun 17 10:54 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Jun 17 10:55 |
| Ariadne | it has been communicated to me that when the board said “we can’t do this without him” what they were referring to was the succession plan | Jun 17 10:55 |
| Ariadne | users here may have noticed that i said union elected board member | Jun 17 10:58 |
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| Ariadne | FSF is unionized. it is unionized because employees wanted a better deal with RMS | Jun 17 11:00 |
| schestowitz | that's a positive thing | Jun 17 11:00 |
| schestowitz | compared to how it was a year ago | Jun 17 11:00 |
| Ariadne | i will say that RMS did not fight unionization, he took it gracefully | Jun 17 11:00 |
| Ariadne | FSF has been unionized since 2005 | Jun 17 11:00 |
| Ariadne | i think unionizing FSF was actually good | Jun 17 11:01 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Response to #Misinformation From #EPO Officials http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/swpats-epo-officials/ #patents #swpats | Jun 17 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Response to Misinformation From EPO Officials | Techrights | Jun 17 11:01 | |
| schestowitz | will? | Jun 17 11:01 |
| schestowitz | it's OK as long as the workers are pro-freesw | Jun 17 11:02 |
| schestowitz | a union would become problematic to the mission if they hired poorly | Jun 17 11:02 |
| Ariadne | they are but they like having vacation time and sick days | Jun 17 11:02 |
| schestowitz | and then give control to everyday workers whose views are not aligned with the mission | Jun 17 11:02 |
| Ariadne | and bereavement leave | Jun 17 11:03 |
| Ariadne | RMS had unrealistic expectations of his staff | Jun 17 11:04 |
| Ariadne | the union contract fixed a lot of things | Jun 17 11:06 |
| Ariadne | but i can say that the FSF staff are quite supportive of free software | Jun 17 11:07 |
| Ariadne | you don’t become an FSF employee without supporting free software | Jun 17 11:07 |
| Ariadne | like even with unionization, the pay is under competitive to other employers | Jun 17 11:08 |
| Ariadne | however… for comparison | Jun 17 11:08 |
| Ariadne | on pay | Jun 17 11:08 |
| Ariadne | the FSF sysadmins | Jun 17 11:08 |
| Ariadne | were getting $28,000/year prior to the union | Jun 17 11:09 |
| Ariadne | after the union it got bumped to $60,000 | Jun 17 11:09 |
| Ariadne | so basically double | Jun 17 11:09 |
| Ariadne | in boston, $28k is under the poverty line while $60k is livable | Jun 17 11:10 |
| schestowitz | was it really that low? | Jun 17 11:13 |
| schestowitz | the irs filings did not show salaries for those levels | Jun 17 11:13 |
| schestowitz | they shows johns's | Jun 17 11:13 |
| schestowitz | *show | Jun 17 11:13 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | [Meme] The Enlarged Bored People With Presidential Decrees http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/meme-the-enlarged-bored-people-with-presidential-decrees/ #epo #europe #patent #law | Jun 17 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The Enlarged Bored People With Presidential Decrees | Techrights | Jun 17 11:35 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152377 | Jun 17 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 17 11:36 | |
| Ariadne | the irs filings only show executive compensation | Jun 17 11:39 |
| Ariadne | not employee compensation | Jun 17 11:39 |
| Ariadne | and yes, they were | Jun 17 11:39 |
| Ariadne | but that was then and this is now | Jun 17 11:40 |
| Ariadne | the union contract which RMS supported anyway, ensured they had marginally decent employee pay, a shop steward to raise issues with, vacation/sick/etc time | Jun 17 11:40 |
| Ariadne | i think in this case the situation was largely that RMS transitioned from academia to running FSF and thus had never really worked an actual job before and so didn’t know what was standard :p | Jun 17 11:41 |
| Ariadne | so i think he wanted to do right by his employees, and the unionization helped him achieve that | Jun 17 11:43 |
| schestowitz | salaries there are indeed laughable | Jun 17 11:44 |
| schestowitz | academia that is | Jun 17 11:44 |
| schestowitz | to the point where I can get the same pay just working elsewhere a few hours a week | Jun 17 11:44 |
| schestowitz | and academic freedom is gone too | Jun 17 11:44 |
| schestowitz | they become corporate shills | Jun 17 11:45 |
| schestowitz | with labs funded by corporations that pay their employees like 4 times more | Jun 17 11:45 |
| schestowitz | and want to render scholars a "studies" mill | Jun 17 11:45 |
| activelow | i could show you the contracts german telecom offered, due to "international competition" and such | Jun 17 11:45 |
| Ariadne | at least RMS has never said anything bad about the union and has considered it a point of pride that his employees ARE unionized | Jun 17 11:45 |
| Ariadne | so i don’t think he has ever had a problem with it :) | Jun 17 11:45 |
| activelow | asked if I was interested in a PHd programme with them... left. | Jun 17 11:46 |
| schestowitz | (IBM, Microsoft, Google, Intel) | Jun 17 11:46 |
| schestowitz | "woke" enough to "fund" (bribe) labs | Jun 17 11:46 |
| activelow | Telco is a somewhat different domain | Jun 17 11:46 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes students | Jun 17 11:46 |
| Ariadne | anyway, between understanding more deeply the context of why he was brought back, and the concessions the board made to balance it out | Jun 17 11:49 |
| Ariadne | i don’t support the letter’s continued call for his removal | Jun 17 11:49 |
| Ariadne | my position was “can we not” | Jun 17 11:50 |
| Ariadne | not “there’s no possible outcome where this is ok” | Jun 17 11:50 |
| activelow | sorry for interrupting, salary triggered me | Jun 17 11:51 |
| activelow | didn't follow the defamation campagin against RMS | Jun 17 11:52 |
| Ariadne | well the incidents the letter outline did happen | Jun 17 11:53 |
| Ariadne | and i did not find myself enthusiastic about them | Jun 17 11:53 |
| Ariadne | though some things in media have also been misrepresented | Jun 17 11:53 |
| Ariadne | RMS for example called epstein later in the thread a ‘serial rapist’ | Jun 17 11:53 |
| activelow | didn't follow the epstein and weinstein scandals either, this is anglo-american realm and mindset i am not accustomed to | Jun 17 11:54 |
| Ariadne | i made a more balanced and reasonable case for why i gave the letter my support on my blog | Jun 17 11:55 |
| Ariadne | it had little to do with the actual content of the letter, but rather his actual job performance as head of FSF | Jun 17 11:55 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Too Much Noise and/or Distraction and General Loss of Focus (on the Real and Urgent Issues, Such as the Ongoing Anti-FSF 'Coup') http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/loss-of-focus/ #fsf #gnu #freesw #microsoft #vista11 | Jun 17 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Too Much Noise and/or Distraction and General Loss of Focus (on the Real and Urgent Issues, Such as the Ongoing Anti-FSF ‘Coup’) | Techrights | Jun 17 11:56 | |
| Ariadne | and those concerns are largely addressed now | Jun 17 11:56 |
| Ariadne | but i think something RMS should realize is, he has an obligation to make space for people to grow into leadership positions in GNU and FSF | Jun 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | [11:53] <Ariadne> RMS for example called epstein later in the thread a ‘serial rapist’ | Jun 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | He called him that in April 2019 | Jun 17 11:57 |
| Ariadne | yes | Jun 17 11:57 |
| schestowitz | not just later in some thread | Jun 17 11:57 |
| schestowitz | (or at all) | Jun 17 11:57 |
| Ariadne | but also in the MIT thread | Jun 17 11:57 |
| schestowitz | but the point here, he was by no means defending the actions at any point | Jun 17 11:57 |
| Ariadne | he should have left it alone tbh | Jun 17 11:57 |
| schestowitz | that's not how he is | Jun 17 11:58 |
| schestowitz | he does want to be able to touch controversial issues | Jun 17 11:58 |
| Ariadne | people were rightly pissed that MIT took his money | Jun 17 11:58 |
| schestowitz | apparently this is becoming less possible over time | Jun 17 11:58 |
| schestowitz | same for comedians | Jun 17 11:58 |
| schestowitz | who chicken out of jokes that might offend someone | Jun 17 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: MIT took Gates money | Jun 17 11:58 |
| schestowitz | via Epstein | Jun 17 11:58 |
| schestowitz | not Epstein money | Jun 17 11:59 |
| Ariadne | sure but inserting yourself into a group of people who are upset isn’t good plan | Jun 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Epstein was Bill's mule | Jun 17 11:59 |
| Ariadne | i don’t understand that | Jun 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | let me show you the letter | Jun 17 11:59 |
| Ariadne | if bill wanted to give mit money | Jun 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | there are several | Jun 17 11:59 |
| Ariadne | couldn’t he just do it himself | Jun 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/ | Jun 17 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights | Jun 17 11:59 | |
| Ariadne | why go through a sleeve all | Jun 17 11:59 |
| Ariadne | … | Jun 17 12:00 |
| Ariadne | sleezeball | Jun 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | there's more | Jun 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | but would take me time to find | Jun 17 12:00 |
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| Ariadne | anyway point is people were mad that money tainted by epstein was accepted by MIT | Jun 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Melinda went to divorce lawyers that moth | Jun 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | MIT still covers the arse of Bill http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ | Jun 17 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights | Jun 17 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | and MIT | Jun 17 12:01 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Jun 17 12:01 |
| schestowitz | instead of pursuing real investigation | Jun 17 12:01 |
| schestowitz | same it did to Swartz | Jun 17 12:01 |
| Ariadne | point is | Jun 17 12:01 |
| Ariadne | [05:56] <Ariadne> but i think something RMS should realize is, he has an obligation to make space for people to grow into leadership positions in GNU and FSF | Jun 17 12:01 |
| Ariadne | this is something he needs to do more effectively | Jun 17 12:02 |
| schestowitz | removing him has not helped | Jun 17 12:02 |
| Ariadne | many people feel that there is a vacuum in the presence of RMS | Jun 17 12:02 |
| Ariadne | indeed not | Jun 17 12:02 |
| schestowitz | 1.5 years of FSF with a loss of direction | Jun 17 12:02 |
| Ariadne | loss of direction has been longer than 1.5 years imo | Jun 17 12:03 |
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| Ariadne | GNU is underfunded for years while FSF has marketing campaigns about windows being bad | Jun 17 12:03 |
| Ariadne | FSF needs to solve that. make alliances, do something. get GNU well funded | Jun 17 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Windows is bad | Jun 17 12:05 |
| schestowitz | they need to get back to talking about that | Jun 17 12:05 |
| schestowitz | funding tends to come with strings | Jun 17 12:06 |
| schestowitz | they need members | Jun 17 12:06 |
| schestowitz | many members are diverse enough to avoid the strings | Jun 17 12:06 |
| schestowitz | and you don't get more members by showing a page that says thank GNU Google, IBM etc. | Jun 17 12:06 |
| schestowitz | figosdev wrote about it | Jun 17 12:06 |
| schestowitz | the members have no influence | Jun 17 12:06 |
| schestowitz | the big sponsors do | Jun 17 12:06 |
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| schestowitz | too many sponsors and you end up as LF | Jun 17 12:07 |
| schestowitz | with a joke of a direction | Jun 17 12:07 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/ | Jun 17 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | Techrights | Jun 17 12:07 | |
| activelow | and the roadmap of big sponsors is to 1) remain big and 2) prevent small business succeeding | Jun 17 12:07 |
| schestowitz | people now pay LF just to ATTACK "Linux" | Jun 17 12:07 |
| schestowitz | and the GPL | Jun 17 12:07 |
| schestowitz | techrights is doing well BECAUSE it never depended on begging for money or pushing ads | Jun 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | and that won't be changing | Jun 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | so we can criticise everything and everyone | Jun 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | OSI quit pushing to replace Windows in voting machines | Jun 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | instead it is PUSHING ITS OWN BUDGET to PROPRIETARY GitHub | Jun 17 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | where Microsodft is openwashing Windows in election/voting machines | Jun 17 12:09 |
| activelow | a moment ago i was asking and chatting a little in #fsf on freenode, accusing them of supporting non-free proprietary systems | Jun 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | voteGuard of whatever they call that crap | Jun 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | OSI is finished | Jun 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | dead | Jun 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | finished. Full stop | Jun 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | and they know it | Jun 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | now they just try to edit wikipedia to claim otherwise | Jun 17 12:10 |
| schestowitz | to keep a bit of money flowing in | Jun 17 12:10 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/wikipedia-osi/ | Jun 17 12:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Libel Initiative: OSI President Falsely Insinuates OSI Critics Are Homophobic and Requests Censorship of Wikipedia (for OSI) | Techrights | Jun 17 12:10 | |
| activelow | while fsf effectively supports vendors such as Intel meanwhile truly free and open isn't at least on topic: http://www.j-core.org | Jun 17 12:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.j-core.org | J-core Open Processor | Jun 17 12:10 | |
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| Techrights-sec | Thu, 17 Jun 21 10:56:53 +0000:[Ariadne] but i think something RMS should realize is, he has an obligation to make space for peop | Jun 17 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | le to grow into leadership positions in GNU and FSF | Jun 17 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | "" | Jun 17 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | A very important point. RMS needs to use this "extra" time to get | Jun 17 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | FSF and GNU set up so that they continue on track without him. He can | Jun 17 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | and ought to contribute as long as he is around but it would | Jun 17 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | be irresponsible to set things up to just fall over the hour he passes on, | Jun 17 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | sort of like what happened at the EFF. | Jun 17 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Cindy Cohn makes EFF look like a political wing with political objectives, sometimes at the expense of tech | Jun 17 12:13 |
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| Techrights-sec | yes, tech has been badly sidelined at the EFF. They barely even make | Jun 17 12:14 |
| Techrights-sec | a token effort any more. | Jun 17 12:14 |
| gustaf | I've never thought of EFF as a tech-first org, but as a political lobbying group that happens to be focused on electronic communication | Jun 17 12:16 |
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| activelow | whatever the strategy of FSF was it didn't succeed with j-core.org to my knowledge | Jun 17 12:17 |
| activelow | reasons exist to keep such a project low profile in public | Jun 17 12:17 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: I heard that too | Jun 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | but mostly alluding to recent eyars | Jun 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | like EFF is a SF-based lobbying arm | Jun 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | this was not like this 5 or 10 years ago | Jun 17 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | they also worked to defend dissidents like Ola Bini and Assange | Jun 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | but I guess the new management does not agree with the (co)founder and now-dead leader | Jun 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | so they have some other priorities | Jun 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | and the EFF's name helps them make a big different | Jun 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | attack PGP | Jun 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | attack RMS | Jun 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | attack Microsoft's competitors | Jun 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | give award to Microsoft | Jun 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | promote Microsoft proxies | Jun 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | I'm done with them, except here and there when they say something of value | Jun 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | they used to fight software patents | Jun 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | or "bad patents" | Jun 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | now they barely talk about it anymore | Jun 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | they seem to have discarded the staff | Jun 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Daniel Nazer moved to Mozilla | Jun 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Alex left | Jun 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Ranieri vanished | Jun 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Joe Mullin also | Jun 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | it's not even clear who rides that ship anymore | Jun 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | or where it is sailing | Jun 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | kind of like OSI... which OMG... is a joke!!! | Jun 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | They do NOTHING | Jun 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | they can't even run their own election | Jun 17 12:22 |
| techrights-bot/fn | I already lost respect for Tim Berners-Lee when he added #DRM crap and promoted JavaScript utter shite in #Microsoft #proprietarySoftware cage, #github https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/world_wide_web_nft_tim_berners_lee_auction/ he has no relevance anymore... he knows it. | Jun 17 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Funny how Sir Tim Berners-Lee, famous for hyperlinks, is into NFTs, glorified hyperlinks • The Register | Jun 17 12:23 | |
| activelow | add to this i am concerned about what is provided to pupils in schools | Jun 17 12:26 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Tim Berners-Lee, a a Brit, started the #www in #switzerland and over time passed 110% control over the #w3c to imperialistic (and DRM, Pentagon-connected) AMERICAN corporations, rendering himself obsolete, except in some textbooks about the #history of the Web | Jun 17 12:26 |
| activelow | begining with calculators such as texas instruments TI89, whose firmware sources and computer algebra system remained fully closed | Jun 17 12:27 |
| kingoffrance | eh, its business. 1) partner with textbook company, get steps for using your calculator in required textbook 2) require your model calculator require for class 3) ... 4) profit! | Jun 17 12:28 |
| activelow | situation in university was even worse, since the laboraties at german telecom univiersities where flooded with equipment for hundreds of millions of cash | Jun 17 12:29 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Terra Nil is an absolute gem you can play right now on itch.io free (which is now named as the Prototype) but it's also getting a total rewrite to be a full commercial game and the new Terra Nil is coming to Linux." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/return-a-wasteland-to-green-glory-in-the-upcoming-terra-nil | Jun 17 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Return a wasteland to green glory in the upcoming Terra Nil | GamingOnLinux | Jun 17 12:29 | |
| kingoffrance | i mean, yes im sure it is bad, and im sure i am old, but its gone on a long time | Jun 17 12:29 |
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| kingoffrance | my favorite teacher wrote his own book. yes, he presumably got some profit. but it was cheaper for him to self-publish and require it than any other things. | Jun 17 12:30 |
| kingoffrance | like, cheap paper and cover. i loved that | Jun 17 12:30 |
| kingoffrance | this was a community college long time ago | Jun 17 12:30 |
| kingoffrance | somehow he got it approved | Jun 17 12:30 |
| kingoffrance | *cheaper for everyone | Jun 17 12:31 |
| activelow | ironically german telecom had sponsored me with a Solaris machine, for "free", didn't unbox that thing at least, the size of a giant cabinet | Jun 17 12:31 |
| kingoffrance | i dont know who "published" it, but the point was he somewhat bypassed the normal players | Jun 17 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | books are overrated | Jun 17 12:32 |
| schestowitz | I spoke about it with a friend yesterday for hours because he had long wanted to write a book | Jun 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | but to him, it's not a matter of selling it | Jun 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | just writing something | Jun 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | but then, what's the point perfecting it? | Jun 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | structurally, grammatically | Jun 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | if only few will read it | Jun 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | with a phd thesis you at least get a diploma | Jun 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | even if few will actually read it | Jun 17 12:33 |
| activelow | the last i wrote was in 2016, didn't even bother with sending this to the university anymore | Jun 17 12:34 |
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| kingoffrance | i wonder if phones/tablets etc. are eating into calculators | Jun 17 12:34 |
| kingoffrance | i mean, i would not underestaime all the things they do, just seems that would eventually be competition | Jun 17 12:35 |
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| activelow | fsf too seems fully agnostic towards international telco, although my last update on what's relevant there was 2004 | Jun 17 12:37 |
| activelow | it isn't at least possible to download the standard for x.509 | Jun 17 12:37 |
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| activelow | schestowitz: since you mentioned books, interesting stories can be told about former east-german publishers of scientific literatures | Jun 17 12:56 |
| activelow | i am still puzzled it was possible to "sell" a university library such as Leipzig University, or Prussian Academy of Sciences | Jun 17 12:57 |
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| immibis | why would it not be? in capitalism, everything is for sale | Jun 17 12:58 |
| activelow | although i didn't investigate this in detail yet, the common public opinion was "uncompetitive" to close east-german facilities (robotron), and all universities are under control of west-german bureaucrats now | Jun 17 12:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▄▅▆▆▃▅█▇▇▆█▄▇▄▇▆▄█▅▂▃█▄▃▂▆▇▅▆▅▆▂▁ avg(k/sec) 34.81 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▂█▁▂▂▁▂▂▃▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▂█▁▁▂▃█▂▂▂▂▂█▁ avg(k/sec) 62.81 ⟲ | Jun 17 12:59 |
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| kingoffrance | eh, its another PPP | Jun 17 13:07 |
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| immibis | is west germany more bureaucratic than east germany? | Jun 17 13:17 |
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| activelow | immibis: when germany "re-united" i was 9 years old. and the burecracy i know is 1) under total control of EU/western regime and 2) corrupt | Jun 17 13:24 |
| activelow | *bureaucracy | Jun 17 13:26 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | #BOYBEATSWORLD is an overlooked fun and quirky rhythm action adventure | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/boy-beats-world-is-an-overlooked-fun-and-quirky-rhythm-action-adventure ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | Jun 17 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BOY BEATS WORLD is an overlooked fun and quirky rhythm action adventure | GamingOnLinux | Jun 17 13:45 | |
| immibis | activelow: yeah but the question is whether east germany was better | Jun 17 13:47 |
| immibis | wasn't it under total control of the soviet regime, and corrupt? | Jun 17 13:47 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Audiocasts/Shows: The Linux Link Tech Show, FLOSS Weekly, ’Freenode Is Now Dead’ • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152378 | Jun 17 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: The Linux Link Tech Show, FLOSS Weekly, 'Freenode Is Now Dead' | Tux Machines | Jun 17 13:52 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Games : Godot Engine, Terra Nil, BOY BEATS WORLD • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152379 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Godot Engine, Terra Nil, BOY BEATS WORLD | Tux Machines | Jun 17 13:53 | |
| gustaf | immibis: "total control" is questionable | Jun 17 13:54 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Microsoft #propaganda firm, #bribery instrument, and a source of entryism and #infiltration operations (also inside LF https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/06/investigative-reports/edelman-pr-and-the-manufacturing-of-trust/ #edelman | Jun 17 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Edelman PR and the Manufacturing of “Trust” - unlimitedhangout.com | Jun 17 13:56 | |
| gustaf | "corrupt", eh. the historian Norman Davies describes the Communist regimes as "bandit governments", i.e. they were above the law . But I'm pretty sure formal bribery was not condoned in the DDR | Jun 17 14:00 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Opponents of European software patents are clearly being mischaracterised by EPO officials, who also use meaningless buzzwords to promote such patents; as an aside or footnote that relates to our ongoing series we’re making this quick video, which is days late • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/swpats-epo-officials/ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO <clipped message> | Jun 17 14:01 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #patents #swpats #europe | ♾ Gemini | Jun 17 14:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Response to Misinformation From EPO Officials | Techrights | Jun 17 14:01 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The laughable state of the EPO‘s EBA (or EBoA) is rarely commented on anymore, not even in so-called ‘IP’ blogs; maybe they’re just so eager to see #patents on everything, even European #softwarepatents • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/meme-the-enlarged-bored-people-with-presidential-decrees/ ䷉ #Techrights #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini <clipped message> | Jun 17 14:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The Enlarged Bored People With Presidential Decrees | Techrights | Jun 17 14:03 | |
| activelow | immibis: what is presented as history and common sense is falsified most often anyway | Jun 17 14:07 |
| activelow | maybe, one important fact, east and west always cooperated, long before "re-unification", to name one example which are the oil and gas pipelines whose construction began in 1970s iirc | Jun 17 14:08 |
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| activelow | insofar it is difficult to say which was supposedly better than the other, in any case alot has changed after 1990 | Jun 17 14:09 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152380 | Jun 17 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 17 14:13 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152381 | Jun 17 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jun 17 14:13 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | JingPad A1 Linux Tablet Sets to Begin Crowdfunding Campaign http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152315#comment-29971 | Jun 17 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Crowdfunding for the JingPad A1 Linux tablet begins | Tux Machines | Jun 17 14:15 | |
| DaemonFC | Almost everyone I know works for Amazon, for a few months, at some point. | Jun 17 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | You might get hired there, but they have policies in place to make sure that most of their employees last a few years, tops. | Jun 17 14:16 |
| activelow | immibis: both west AND east can be considered apartheid regimes, to oppress some specific groups of people and keep them on low salary | Jun 17 14:16 |
| activelow | and this tradition continued without interruption | Jun 17 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | Bezos basically bragged that they don't create long term employment opportunities because he feels "people get lazier over time". | Jun 17 14:17 |
| activelow | the biggest German Amazon transport hub is located in east germany, Leipzig | Jun 17 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | Logically though, they should blow through nearly their entire potential workforce and then have to rehire people they fired. | Jun 17 14:17 |
| immibis | east germany predates amazon | Jun 17 14:17 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Stories from the amazing world of release-monitoring.org #11 ⚓ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/stories-from-the-amazing-world-of-release-monitoring-org-11/ ䷉ #communityfedoraproject | Jun 17 14:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Stories from the amazing world of release-monitoring.org #11 – Fedora Community Blog | Jun 17 14:18 | |
| immibis | it was gone before amazon was there | Jun 17 14:18 |
| immibis | i don't think we can say east germany influenced amazon | Jun 17 14:18 |
| activelow | yes, and until today ~95% of cash is circulating in the western regions, although east germany is 20% of the population | Jun 17 14:18 |
| immibis | https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/ngbido/online_rpg_the_story_of_how_hoarded_wealth_almost/ | Jun 17 14:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | [On-line RPG] The story of how hoarded wealth almost sunk an economy : HobbyDrama | Jun 17 14:19 | |
| activelow | amazon was welcomed even as an investor, in a region which was leading in science and engineering for hundreds of years, and then reclassified as "low wage region" | Jun 17 14:19 |
| immibis | this reddit post describes the modern economy | Jun 17 14:22 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #elementaryOS 6 Beta 2 is the First Step... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152356#comment-29972 | Jun 17 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | elementary OS 6 Beta 2 Polishes the Installer UI, Adds More Flatpak Apps | Tux Machines | Jun 17 14:23 | |
| DaemonFC | <activelow> amazon was welcomed even as an investor, in a region which was leading in science and engineering for hundreds of years, and then reclassified as "low wage region" | Jun 17 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | That pretty much describes what America turned into. | Jun 17 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | A leading innovator in science and industry for many years, and now it's just fat people buying shit at Walmart and Amazon. | Jun 17 14:25 |
| immibis | buying on its own isn't bad, buying is the whole point of the economy. The problem is the lack of innovation and that it's *just* buying | Jun 17 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | Not even anything they need, usually. Just thousands down the toilet putting three TVs and half a pallot of water in their cart. | Jun 17 14:26 |
| immibis | ... except innovation is happening, it's just that the average joe isn't involved | Jun 17 14:26 |
| immibis | america still has all the biggest tech companies | Jun 17 14:26 |
| immibis | it just doesn't trickle down | Jun 17 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | I literally saw someone put three TVs in a cart and then fill another one with bottled water the other day. | Jun 17 14:26 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: After people are fed, letting people have more TVs is basically the point of the economy | Jun 17 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | I said, "Wow, we got ourselves a convoy!". | Jun 17 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | <immibis> DaemonFC: After people are fed, letting people have more TVs is basically the point of the economy | Jun 17 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see the point. I mean, it's a screen with HDMI cables. | Jun 17 14:27 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Cutelyst 3 is out! - Dantti’s Blog ⚓ https://dantti.wordpress.com/2021/06/17/cutelyst-3-is-out/ ䷉ #dantti | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 14:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dantti.wordpress.com | Cutelyst 3 is out! – Dantti's Blog | Jun 17 14:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 14:27 | |
| immibis | you don't need to quote what I literally just said | Jun 17 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | How many years have those existed. | Jun 17 14:27 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: What is the purpose of an economy? | Jun 17 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | You'd think everyone would own one by now. | Jun 17 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | How are they still selling so many? | Jun 17 14:27 |
| immibis | if everyone has one, but the TV factories are still there, people can get more than one. You've surely seen a video wall at some point | Jun 17 14:28 |
| immibis | that is more beneficial than shutting down the TV factories | Jun 17 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | The TV set isn't really all that innovative anymore. | Jun 17 14:28 |
| immibis | also poorer people can get better TVs. I'm sure we've all seen *that* progression over the last 20 years | Jun 17 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | I remember when there was some new invention every few years. My dad even had a few patents on them. | Jun 17 14:28 |
| immibis | What kind of inventions are you talking about? | Jun 17 14:29 |
| immibis | did your dad invent the TV? | Jun 17 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | It pretty much stopped with 4K, which is not even that much of a useful improvement. | Jun 17 14:29 |
| activelow | apropos Television, which is the realm of Telco protocols too, it is no coincidence DVB-T2 receivers are effectively non-free | Jun 17 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | <immibis> did your dad invent the TV? | Jun 17 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | CRT components that resulted in higher picture quality. | Jun 17 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody uses CRT televisions anymore, really. | Jun 17 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | They put them out at the curb and that was that. | Jun 17 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | The tube burns out eventually after a long time. | Jun 17 14:30 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: those inventions still happen. Today's TVs are "better" than 10 years ago. Mostly in resolution, also in dumb proprietary features that most people still think make the picture look better | Jun 17 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | It usually starts doing weird things first though. | Jun 17 14:30 |
| activelow | analog-TV is dead, with which i could have watched Euro soccer, and DVB-T2 forces me to use a separate non-free TV-box | Jun 17 14:30 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: but even if they are not, that just means they're happening in other fields. Today's inventions are all fintech, working out how to extract the most money from the masses | Jun 17 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | The "smart" features that are baked into TV firmware stop getting updates and then they become too slow to use and finally get locked out of the apps entirely. | Jun 17 14:31 |
| activelow | and guess who is head of this? Korean Telecom Mr. Lee "IPTV" expert installed at ITU-T | Jun 17 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | Or the company that made the app doesn't exist. | Jun 17 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | So you need to plug something else into the TV to keep using it. | Jun 17 14:31 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: so you're saying people are inventing ways to get more money | Jun 17 14:31 |
| immibis | almost like capitalism is a failure because it requires this | Jun 17 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | It really makes little sense to buy a TV where the apps are a feature that add a significant amount of money if you're just going to have to plug a dongle into it anyway soon. | Jun 17 14:32 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: you can't deny the apps are still an innovation. Every innovation starts off imperfect. (this one will stay imperfect forever because it's more profitable) | Jun 17 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | They're not really an innovation. At least not a good one. | Jun 17 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | The $150 a month bundle o' crap is back. | Jun 17 14:33 |
| activelow | i would rather prefer crypto-dongles were required, yet in germany they decided "public tv must remain 'free'" | Jun 17 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | They finally figured out what to do about people canceling cable. | Jun 17 14:33 |
| activelow | otherwise they couldn't enforce taxpayers money being paid for this type of "freedom" | Jun 17 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | "We steal your money, decide what to spend it on, make a big government program that doesn't work very well.....it's free btw. You're welcome." | Jun 17 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ^ | Jun 17 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | Then when someone figures out how to turn it into a service that's legal, the courts figure out ways to ignore the law to make it illegal again. | Jun 17 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | There was a company that was streaming things they picked up OTA using regular antennas. | Jun 17 14:36 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Security and #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152384 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 14:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 17 14:36 | |
| DaemonFC | The FCC regulations have always allowed recording things that come in OTA without encryption. | Jun 17 14:36 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Security and #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152384 | Jun 17 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | The courts decided that it was piracy because that's what people with money asked them to rule. | Jun 17 14:36 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: this is innovation. If it makes more money it must be innovative. Capitalism rewards innovation, remember? | Jun 17 14:37 |
| immibis | that's what the capitalists keep telling me | Jun 17 14:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #WordPerfect and #LibreOffice /Document Foundation • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152383 | Jun 17 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPerfect and LibreOffice/Document Foundation | Tux Machines | Jun 17 14:38 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152382 #GNU #Linux | Jun 17 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 17 14:38 | |
| activelow | ironically in east-germany the western TV and radio were "forbidden", yet all east germans could easily receive BBC radio and radio moscow, meanwhile today DAB radio in germany doesn't broadcast BBC or radio moscow anymore, or radio vatican | Jun 17 14:38 |
| activelow | it is ridiculous | Jun 17 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | <immibis> DaemonFC: this is innovation. If it makes more money it must be innovative. Capitalism rewards innovation, remember? | Jun 17 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | It rewards tricky advertisers more than anyone. | Jun 17 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | I've been contemplating lately how much Americans spend on medicine and how little it actually improves their lives in turn. | Jun 17 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | Other than perhaps managing some basic health conditions with medicine that has been available for so long it's generic, they don't do much good for the money spent. | Jun 17 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | New drug inventions do little or nothing. They cost a lot of money. A third of the FDA science panel resigned over one Alzheimer's drug after the FDA approved it anyway after their science panel voted 10-1 against recommending it. So much for "listen to the science". | Jun 17 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | Why would they even have a science panel if they're going to ignore the scientists and do whatever they want anyway? Is it because there's "scientists" who are more willing to compromise their ethics to appoint to the board after they leave? | Jun 17 14:46 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: the only solution is to reinvent the economy, unfortunately | Jun 17 14:47 |
| immibis | money no longer corresponds to value, and it needs to | Jun 17 14:48 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152385 | Jun 17 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 17 14:51 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152386 | Jun 17 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 17 14:51 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Links 17/6/2021: #Cutelyst 3 and #Lenovo Move Towards #ThinkPad BIOS Configuration From Within Linux • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/cutelyst-3/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/cutelyst-3/ | Jun 17 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 17/6/2021: Cutelyst 3 and Lenovo Move Towards ThinkPad BIOS Configuration From Within Linux | Techrights | Jun 17 14:51 | |
| activelow | *** Curevac germany reports their vaccine's effectiveness is below 47%, insufficient for approval *** -> trust them | Jun 17 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | <immibis> money no longer corresponds to value, and it needs to | Jun 17 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | We just get punished with inflation. | Jun 17 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | With Biden and the Democrats wasting money and causing inflation, our rent is set to go up another $45 a month when we sign our next lease. | Jun 17 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | That's on top of gas at a 8 year high and groceries going up at the fastest pace in 20 years. | Jun 17 14:56 |
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| DaemonFC | But at least people can feel good knowing that government "workers" get another paid day off because people torched their cities and looted last year over the death of a felon. | Jun 17 14:57 |
| immibis | lol that is not even CLOSE to the root cause | Jun 17 14:58 |
| immibis | also wtf | Jun 17 14:58 |
| immibis | inflation has been nearly zero for the last 10 years and it's broken the economy | Jun 17 14:58 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #gdbm @ Savannah: Version 1.20 http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10011 #gnu #freesw | Jun 17 14:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU dbm - News: Version 1.20 [Savannah] | Jun 17 14:58 | |
| DaemonFC | Inflation is _not_ a good thing. | Jun 17 14:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▆▃▄▅▅▃▇▅▅▃▄▇▆▅▇▅▆▅▇▆▆▅▇▄▆▅▃▅▇▆▁ avg(k/sec) 29.73 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▂▁▁▂▃▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 12.10 ⟲ | Jun 17 14:59 |
| immibis | I repeat, inflation has been nearly zero for the last 10 years and it's broken the economy | Jun 17 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | You can't just dump inflation into an economy where wages aren't rising, the Labor Force Participation is the lowest since Carter was around, and household debt is already at an all time high and not expect a disaster. | Jun 17 14:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | 2021-6: SUERF Policy Brief "How to issue a privacy-preserving central bank digital currency" published https://taler.net/en/news/2021-06.html #gnu #taler #freesw | Jun 17 15:00 |
| activelow | https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germanys-curevac-vaccine-only-47-effective/a-57929473 | Jun 17 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-taler.net | GNU Taler | Jun 17 15:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Coronavirus: Germany′s CureVac vaccine only 47% effective | News | DW | 16.06.2021 | Jun 17 15:00 | |
| DaemonFC | WGN managed to report that initial unemployment claims are back up quite a lot this past week. | Jun 17 15:00 |
| immibis | "you can't just dump liquids into a person whose cells are starving for water, whose blood volume is shrinking, and whose organs are starting to shut down" | Jun 17 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | That indicates that despite hiring signs posted everywhere, there's a lot of businesses laying people off, because things have gotten so screwed up that we're dealing with bizarre supply chain issues. | Jun 17 15:01 |
| immibis | inflation is not quite as urgent as severe dehydration though | Jun 17 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | They've pretty much idled new car production at several factories. | Jun 17 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | Toyota is probably laughing. | Jun 17 15:01 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #BSDNow 407: The jail Detail https://www.bsdnow.tv/407 #bsd #unix | Jun 17 15:01 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: the fundamental issue is hoarding and accumulation, today's wealth is based on yesterday's wealth rather than yesterday's productivity | Jun 17 15:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 407: The jail Detail | Jun 17 15:01 | |
| DaemonFC | They stockpiled enough of these chips that everyone else is running out of to keep their factories going for at least a few years. | Jun 17 15:01 |
| immibis | because chip factories are incentivized to maximize profit instead of maximizing the chips they make | Jun 17 15:02 |
| immibis | productivity is not rewarded | Jun 17 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | The Japanese companies seem to like to anticipate that supply chain issues could happen and plan for it to minimize disruption. | Jun 17 15:02 |
| immibis | "inflation is _not_ a good thing" *proceeds to describe the kind of fucked economy that's resulted from no inflation* | Jun 17 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | GM doesn't plan for anything. They haven't planned for people wanting better fuel economy even though that's been the march away from their cars and towards the imports since the 1980s. | Jun 17 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, when the government has to bail you out and refuses to fire the fuck-ups that have been running the place, you don't have to plan for anything. | Jun 17 15:03 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "I started at Canonical in September 2020, since then it’s been a steep learning curve (in a good way) – with some exciting projects to get my teeth stuck into." https://ubuntu.com//blog/design-and-web-team-summary-4-june-2021 #gnu #linux | Jun 17 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Design and Web team summary – 4 June 2021 | Ubuntu | Jun 17 15:04 | |
| immibis | that is the only part i can kind of agree with, but instead of bailing out the fuck-ups, they should still bail out everyone downstream of the fuck-ups | Jun 17 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | They rushed in engines with smaller displacement sizes and sort of suped them out to be powerful enough to move the car. | Jun 17 15:04 |
| immibis | maybe they can buy the company | Jun 17 15:04 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: you're really triggered about cars, aren't you? | Jun 17 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | But this puts all sorts of bizarre stress on all of the wrong parts, which they also cheaped out on. | Jun 17 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Moving away from cast iron and steel and aluminum, to aluminum and plastic mostly. | Jun 17 15:05 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Seems like the wrong way to use #ubuntu , in effect forfeiting #privacy benefits https://www.techzim.co.zw/2021/06/5-awesome-backup-services-that-support-ftp-rsync-and-scp/ | Jun 17 15:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techzim.co.zw | 5 awesome backup services that support FTP, Rsync and SCP - Techzim | Jun 17 15:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Oh I absolutely hate these new designs. | Jun 17 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | They are not better for the environment over the lifecycle of the vehicle at all. | Jun 17 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | They're just less reliable. | Jun 17 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | Even in 2003, GM cut corners, and I wouldn't have been dealing with any engine trouble to speak of lately on this thing had mom bought a 2002 instead. | Jun 17 15:06 |
| immibis | idk how you can be so anti-government and pro-corporations and also be pro-environment, you realize corporations do not give a fuck about the environment, right? | Jun 17 15:07 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #NST 34-12743 #gnu #linux is out. #NetworkSecurityToolkit http://www.networksecuritytoolkit.org/nst/index.html | Jun 17 15:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networksecuritytoolkit.org | Network Security Toolkit (NST 34) | Jun 17 15:07 | |
| DaemonFC | About 2/3rds of the trouble I've had with this engine and about 80% of the repair cost relating to the engine has been these damned plastic intake manifolds. | Jun 17 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | GM even managed to burn themselves kind of. | Jun 17 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | They went with plastic valve covers too, and then some cars ended up setting themselves on fire because of oil leaks. | Jun 17 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | They lost a lot of money in recall repairs and settlements. | Jun 17 15:08 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #KDE projects that outsource to #Microsoft #proprietarysoftware and help a malicious #monopoly https://euroquis.nl//calamares/2021/06/17/actions.html | Jun 17 15:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | GitHub Notification Actions | [bobulate] | Jun 17 15:09 | |
| DaemonFC | I made sure that I listed myself on the recall settlement. The least they can do is give me $350. I wouldn't have dealt with $700 worth of repairs without all of this plastic shit. | Jun 17 15:09 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Time flies and another two weeks of #YaST development have passed. As in the previous report, we have to mention we invested quite some time learning and experimenting with technologies that will shape the role of YaST in particular and Linux installers in general in the future." https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/2021-06-17/sprint-125 | Jun 17 15:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yast.opensuse.org | Digest of YaST Development Sprint 125 | YaST | Jun 17 15:09 | |
| DaemonFC | So really I'm just getting half my money back over this mess. Plus they had to replace a valve cover and gasket for free on the front of the engine. | Jun 17 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | I actually don't think that was leaking, but they had to replace it for free so get em. | Jun 17 15:10 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Sustainable" is a pretty meaningless #buzzword and no wonder #IBM #Red Hat embraces that for #marketing and #openwashing purposes https://opensource.com/open-organization/21/6/open-future-sustainable-future | Jun 17 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A more sustainable future should be a more open future | Opensource.com | Jun 17 15:11 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | #AMDGPU For Linux 5.14 To Report Throttler Status, Many Fixes Sent Out - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-AMDGPU-Throttler ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMDGPU For Linux 5.14 To Report Throttler Status, Many Fixes Sent Out - Phoronix | Jun 17 15:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 15:12 | |
| activelow | i don't understand, if a leading researcher and manufacturer of vaccines arrived at 47% how other newcomers could have achived 70% or 90% | Jun 17 15:13 |
| techrights-bot/fn | It's Good But Maybe Bad: #LVFS Skyrockets With More Than 100k Firmware Updates In One Day - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LVFS-100k-Firmware-Day ䷉ #Phoronix #Linux #Redhat #IBM | Jun 17 15:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's Good But Maybe Bad: LVFS Skyrockets With More Than 100k Firmware Updates In One Day - Phoronix | Jun 17 15:14 | |
| DaemonFC | Sustainable is something every company says for things that clearly are not sustainable. | Jun 17 15:15 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Picovoice offline Voice AI engine now works on #Arduino https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/17/picovoice-offline-voice-ai-engine-arduino/ | Jun 17 15:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Picovoice offline Voice AI engine now works on Arduino - CNX Software | Jun 17 15:17 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Opensearch and #syslogng https://www.syslog-ng.com/community/b/blog/posts/opensearch-and-syslog-ng #freesw | Jun 17 15:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Opensearch and syslog-ng - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng Community | Jun 17 15:18 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | 7 Best Free and Open Source HTML Editors • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152387 | Jun 17 15:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Best Free and Open Source HTML Editors | Tux Machines | Jun 17 15:19 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Refactor your applications to Kubernetes | ⚓ https://opensource.com/article/21/6/tackle-diva-kubernetes ䷉ #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | Jun 17 15:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Refactor your applications to Kubernetes | Opensource.com | Jun 17 15:19 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "That same year, IBM released an updated version of the PC that sported an amazing technical achievement—color! The new IBM 5153 color display relied on a new #IBM Color Graphics Adapter, or "CGA." And it is because of this original CGA that all DOS text inherited their colors." https://opensource.com/article/21/6/freedos-sixteen-colors | Jun 17 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why FreeDOS has 16 colors | Opensource.com | Jun 17 15:20 | |
| immibis | DaemonFC: now you're done ranting about your car, why do you think megacorps are the right solution to unfuck the economy? | Jun 17 15:22 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "A while ago I promised a couple of people an article about #RakuLang roles. To be frank, it was a long time ago. The plan was to cover a number of other subjects needed to better understand a few concepts behind the role model implementation in Rakudo." https://vrurg.github.io/2021/06/16/article-on-roles | Jun 17 15:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vrurg.github.io | A Long Promised Article About Roles - LFlat, The Home of Vrurg | Jun 17 15:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Nothing has done more to prevent competition and protect these megacorporations than the government has done. | Jun 17 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | By ignoring its own antitrust laws, pouring endless subsidies into things that should fail, and allowing them to accumulate patents and forever copyrights, it ensures that they pretty much can't lose money. | Jun 17 15:25 |
| immibis | megacorps are a natural end result of capitalism | Jun 17 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | That's just not true. | Jun 17 15:25 |
| immibis | they are more profitable than small corps | Jun 17 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | There's never been a megacorporation that didn't exist without the government propping it up somehow. | Jun 17 15:26 |
| immibis | really? bush propped up microsoft? | Jun 17 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | Without protection from competition, people will just go elsewhere when the costs are too high and quality takes a dump. | Jun 17 15:26 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Kernel: LWN and Phoronix Article (Without Paywall and New, Respectively) • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152388 | Jun 17 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: LWN and Phoronix Article (Without Paywall and New, Respectively) | Tux Machines | Jun 17 15:26 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152389 #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 17 15:27 | |
| immibis | are you opposed to copyright? | Jun 17 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | If the government didn't grant Comcast a protected "territory", then I would have a different ISP right now, and at a lower cost too. | Jun 17 15:27 |
| immibis | what happened when you tried starting your own ISP? | Jun 17 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'm lucky I didn't end up in the "territory" of one that says you can bring your own modem but we'll charge you a device rental fee anyway so don't bother. | Jun 17 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | The FCC never did anything about that, afaik. | Jun 17 15:28 |
| immibis | what happened when you tried starting your own ISP? | Jun 17 15:28 |
| immibis | and why are you NOW complaining that the government doesn't impose itself enough on the free market? | Jun 17 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast has been leaning on people to just give up an dpay $14 a month to rent a cheap piece of shit, because you can't even subscribe to "unlimited data" for yet another fee without their modem. | Jun 17 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Even though whose modem you use doesn't prevent them from tracking your data, obviously. | Jun 17 15:29 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Fedora contemplates the driverless printing future https://lwn.net/Articles/857502/ #ibm #redhat #gnu #linux | Jun 17 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora contemplates the driverless printing future [LWN.net] | Jun 17 15:29 | |
| DaemonFC | <techrights-bot/fn> #Fedora contemplates the driverless printing future https://lwn.net/Articles/857502/ #ibm #redhat #gnu #linux | Jun 17 15:29 |
| immibis | your views are not consistent | Jun 17 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | I've had pretty much every printing problem on every OS there is. | Jun 17 15:30 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #GNU Projects: Coreutils, Taler, and gdbm • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152390 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Projects: Coreutils, Taler, and gdbm | Tux Machines | Jun 17 15:30 | |
| DaemonFC | I even tolerated an HP printer that I had to feed one sheet at a time at one point because at least I knew it had a driver. | Jun 17 15:30 |
| techrights-bot/fn | New: "Gemini appeals to me as someone who likes plain text and keeping things simple. It also evokes a huge nostalgia for the days of gopher, bbs and slow packet radio links." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006709.html | Jun 17 15:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression | Jun 17 15:33 | |
| immibis | what happened when you tried to make an open hardware printer? | Jun 17 15:33 |
| activelow | the old epson style matrix-plotters are best supported, echo "hello world" >/dev/lp0, and ancient Unix print spooling is supported with lprng with some minimal config tweak | Jun 17 15:35 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Ubuntu Podcast from the #UK LoCo: S14E15 – Tanks Crash Clash https://ubuntupodcast.org/2021/06/17/s14e15-tanks-crash-clash/ #gnu #linux | Jun 17 15:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntupodcast.org | S14E15 – Tanks Crash Clash | Ubuntu Podcast | Jun 17 15:35 | |
| activelow | didn't test bitmap plotting yet (which requires a special epson bitmap format), but it is possible too and documented, to plot some diagrams and such for scientific work etc. | Jun 17 15:37 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can’t get up • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152391 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 17 15:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up | Tux Machines | Jun 17 15:40 | |
| trttl/fn | sorry to interrupt.. what is the port for irc.techrights.org? | Jun 17 15:42 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "I recently discovered the command line utility croc, which the author claims is a way to ‘easily and securely transfer stuff from one computer to another.’" https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2021/06/17/croc-another-file-transfer-method/ | Jun 17 15:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com | croc – another file transfer method | Fitzcarraldo's Blog | Jun 17 15:43 | |
| hawthorn | trttl/fn: i'm connecting to irc.techrights.org via 6667 | Jun 17 15:47 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #KDEneon 20210617 https://neon.kde.org/ #kde #gnu #linux | Jun 17 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon | Jun 17 15:47 | |
| trttl/fn | thanks hawthorn. no ssl available? | Jun 17 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | Is there an actual reason to install Microsoft OpenJDK when your distribution has one as well? | Jun 17 15:50 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Remember when people used cloud computing because it was cheaper?" It was not cheaper, it was a media lie and propaganda under the #clownComputing banner to get people entrapped by #surveillance giants that oppress people, businesses, governments https://increment.com/containers/primer-on-containerization/ | Jun 17 15:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A primer on containers – Increment | Jun 17 15:52 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152392 | Jun 17 15:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 17 15:53 | |
| hawthorn | trttl/fn: i'm not sure if ssl is available or not | Jun 17 15:56 |
| techrights-bot/fn | The #www has becoming more of a joke than it already is. What next will be lumped into it? #monopolies turned it into their #proprietarySoftware and #drm API https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Audio-API-Official | Jun 17 15:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-W3C Promotes Web Audio API To Official Standard - Phoronix | Jun 17 15:56 | |
| hawthorn | you'd have to ask schestowitz | Jun 17 15:56 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #google funded #rustlang through #mozilla and now it wants to insert this #microsoft -connected mess into #linux #kernel https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Wants-Rust-In-Kernel | Jun 17 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Wants To See Rust Code In The Linux Kernel, Contracts The Main Developer - Phoronix | Jun 17 15:57 | |
| gustaf | I'm connected via ssl... 6697 | Jun 17 15:57 |
| hawthorn | cool | Jun 17 15:57 |
| trttl/fn | thank you that's good news. going to switch over in a minute | Jun 17 15:58 |
| techrights-bot/fn | This is, IMHO, a misleading headline. It mischaracterises what's happening using promotional language. https://www.cnet.com/news/google-backed-linux-project-could-make-android-chrome-os-harder-to-hack/ see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ | Jun 17 15:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google-backed Linux project could make Android, Chrome OS harder to hack - CNET | Jun 17 15:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights | Jun 17 15:59 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | #LibreOffice Annual Report 2020: Website, blogs and #socialcontrolmedia https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/06/17/annual-report-2020-website-blogs-and-social-media/ | Jun 17 16:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Annual Report 2020: Website, blogs and social media - The Document Foundation Blog | Jun 17 16:00 | |
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| hawthorn | hmm i just tried and couldn't get it working, although i'm still trying to teach myself irssi | Jun 17 16:01 |
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| gustaf | I've been a long time irssi user but frankly adding new networks/servers sucks ass | Jun 17 16:02 |
| gustaf | I'm slowly moving towards weechat | Jun 17 16:02 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Submit your ideas for #Debian and +1 those that you find important ⚓ https://raphaelhertzog.com/2021/06/17/submit-your-ideas-for-debian/ ䷉ #raphaelhertzog #gnu #linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 16:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raphaelhertzog.com | Submit your ideas for Debian and +1 those that you find important | Jun 17 16:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 16:02 | |
| gustaf | but so far irssi is good for 80x24 screen setups | Jun 17 16:02 |
| activelow | gustaf: didn't have any problem with adding servers, simply write the desired config into .irssi/config and then /reload | Jun 17 16:03 |
| activelow | only make sure to /save /layout save and such before editing the config to /reload | Jun 17 16:04 |
| activelow | and /rmrecons may be required if a faulty server config remained somewhere trying to connect | Jun 17 16:05 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "The tool works with all modern Linux distributions under the GNU General Public License and can be downloaded here." They need to #deletegithub which is #microsoft #proprietarySoftware ATTACK on #freesw https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/06/16/open-source-uchecker-tool/ | Jun 17 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Open source UChecker tool detects vulnerable libraries on Linux servers - Help Net Security | Jun 17 16:07 | |
| gustaf | my .config is a flaming garbage pile | Jun 17 16:07 |
| gustaf | I really should just start over from scratch | Jun 17 16:07 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Good to see them saying "GNU/Linux"... several times in fact https://www.boomlive.in/mediabuddhi/digital-buddhi/computerviruseshackerssurveillance-13544 | Jun 17 16:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boomlive.in | How To Protect Your Computer From Viruses, Hackers, And Surveillance | Jun 17 16:08 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Stop giving data to companies that don't need that data. https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/papa_johns_ico_fine/ | Jun 17 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Papa don't breach: UK data watchdog fines that other pizza place £10,000 over unsolicited marketing blitz • The Register | Jun 17 16:11 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #FTC approves $61.7m settlement with #Amazon for pocketing driver tips • The Register ⚓ https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/ftc_amazon_flex/ ䷉ #theregister | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | FTC approves $61.7m settlement with Amazon for pocketing driver tips • The Register | Jun 17 16:13 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #BT sues supplier for £72m over exchange gear that allegedly caused wave of #ADSL outages • The Register ⚓ https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/bt_sues_tii_technologies_jack_test_blocks_72m/ ䷉ #theregister | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | BT sues supplier for £72m over exchange gear that allegedly caused wave of ADSL outages • The Register | Jun 17 16:13 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | Some people think IRC is a brand and #freenode as a brand is all one needs. Even if it's actually a community... https://sdtimes.com/open-source/open-source-is-a-community-not-a-brand/ | Jun 17 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sdtimes.com | Open source is a community, not a brand - SD Times | Jun 17 16:15 | |
| schestowitz | shallow BS: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-unzip-files?r=US&IR=T | Jun 17 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | How to Unzip ZIP Files on Any Device | Jun 17 16:18 | |
| schestowitz | trttl: did you manage to get across? | Jun 17 16:19 |
| schestowitz | https://www.makeuseof.com/extract-tar-gz/ | Jun 17 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | How to Zip and Unzip or Extract TAR and TAR.GZ Files | Jun 17 16:20 | |
| schestowitz | 'news' | Jun 17 16:20 |
| schestowitz | assembling together howtos from elsewhere... | Jun 17 16:21 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #ElSalvador seeing influx of Bitcoiners and Bitcoins, but some predict disaster - Stockhead ⚓ https://stockhead.com.au/cryptocurrency/el-salvador-seeing-influx-of-bitcoiners-and-bitcoins-but-some-predict-disaster/ ䷉ #stockhead | Jun 17 16:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stockhead.com.au | El Salvador seeing influx of Bitcoiners and Bitcoins, but some predict disaster - Stockhead | Jun 17 16:22 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | This would not be a problem if those devices weren't insistent on being Internet-connected with loads of open ports and sometimes uniform passwords, too https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/iot-supply-chain-bug-millions/ | Jun 17 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infosecurity-magazine.com | IoT Supply Chain Bug Hits Millions of Cameras - Infosecurity Magazine | Jun 17 16:26 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | " #OpenZFS founding developer Matthew Ahrens opened a PR for one of the most sought-after features in #ZFS history—RAIDz expansion—last week." https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/raidz-expansion-code-lands-in-openzfs-master/ | Jun 17 16:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | ZFS fans, rejoice—RAIDz expansion will be a thing very soon | Ars Technica | Jun 17 16:27 | |
| DaemonFC | El Salvador is governed by some particularly dumb people. | Jun 17 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | Who standardizes on currency it can't control? | Jun 17 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | It's fine to peg something to the dollar or to the Euro. You still control the peg. | Jun 17 16:28 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #IBM is laying off tons of people while paying for press releases that somehow portray it as a charity looking to get people employer https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ibm-collaborates-with-30-organizations-to-re-skill--connect-the-workforce-with-real-career-opportunities-301314170.html | Jun 17 16:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | IBM Collaborates with 30 Organizations to Re-Skill & Connect the Workforce with Real Career Opportunities | Jun 17 16:28 | |
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| trttl/fn | schestowitz yeah i'm there. surprised that i don't have to mess with server fingerprints | Jun 17 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | What a country, what a world. | Jun 17 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | That lady who superglued her hair and ended up in the ER now has a line of hair care products. | Jun 17 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | Put this in your hair. I'm an expert! | Jun 17 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | Mom told me to stop giving myself a buzz cut because it "makes you look like a prisoner". | Jun 17 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | I said, "No, it makes me look like a guy with a buzz cut.". | Jun 17 16:37 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: didn't you just tell us how stupid it was that the government controlled the currency?? | Jun 17 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | I feel pretty ripped off when I have to pay $20-25 for a hair cut, so I just kept doing my own even after the COVID lockdowns went away. | Jun 17 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | With the cost of labor continuing to rise, it's only a matter of time before a basic men's hair cut is $30. | Jun 17 16:38 |
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| DaemonFC | <immibis> DaemonFC: didn't you just tell us how stupid it was that the government controlled the currency?? | Jun 17 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | It's dumb to let a hostile foreign government that has backed political assasinations in your country manage your currency. | Jun 17 16:39 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: and in the face of inflation, why are you complaining about relative prices measured in fiat currency? If there's inflation, that means that's a bad way to measure prices | Jun 17 16:39 |
| immibis | it means costs aren't going up, exchange rates of stuff to money are going up | Jun 17 16:39 |
| immibis | but actual real costs might be the same | Jun 17 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how our landlord is raising prices while the trend in the area seems to be going down. | Jun 17 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | Folks are bailing on Waukegan quickly, and you'd think the need for housing would decline and then the demand pull inflation would stop. I suppose we're dealing with cost push inflation that's overtaking lack of demand. | Jun 17 16:41 |
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| DaemonFC | In other words, the market's gone crazy deciding whether to try to push along higher taxes and utility costs or lower the rent to keep units occupied. | Jun 17 16:42 |
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| immibis | DaemonFC: well are you paying the increased prices? | Jun 17 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | I probably will. I don't like moving and the more desirable apartments have actually seen at least as high of an increase, percentage-wise. | Jun 17 16:43 |
| immibis | then you know how | Jun 17 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | It's the total dumps that seem to be going down. | Jun 17 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, he's going along with the "I only have to beat these other guys by this percentage of what they charge.". | Jun 17 16:44 |
| immibis | they can increase prices because people like you are apathetic | Jun 17 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | So the new price is a factor of what they charge. | Jun 17 16:44 |
| immibis | just like megacorps | Jun 17 16:44 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | #Disinformation and #Misinformation is #socialcontrolmedia hotbed https://www.maketecheasier.com/amazon-blames-fake-reviews/ | Jun 17 16:45 |
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| immibis | capitalists take advantage of people's irrationality | Jun 17 16:45 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Planet #gnome overrun by #microsoft #proprietarySoftware spam these days. Not interested, sorry. | Jun 17 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | spazz: is that you? | Jun 17 16:57 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | European Commission cheated Unitary Patent’s Impact Assessment to hide its high costs for SMEs https://ffii.org/european-commission-cheated-unified-patent-courts-impact-assessment-to-hide-the-high-costs-for-smes/ #upc #unitarypatent #epo #eu #corruption | Jun 17 17:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 17 17:03 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/editorials/ct-editorial-rent-control-chicago-illinois-gentrification-guzzardi-20210405-tnpflf743vfgleuxhvy7jj22te-story.html | Jun 17 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagotribune.com | Editorial: Rent control won't fix gentrification problem - Chicago Tribune | Jun 17 17:05 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" now signed by 6,754 people. #gnu #rms #fsf #freesw #softwarefreedom | Jun 17 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | The mayor who can't figure out Microsoft Word is going to figure out how to make your rent "affordable". | Jun 17 17:06 |
| MinceR | 17 144756 < immibis> wasn't it under total control of the soviet regime, and corrupt? | Jun 17 17:07 |
| MinceR | duh | Jun 17 17:07 |
| MinceR | what wasn't, in the eastern bloc? | Jun 17 17:07 |
| immibis | MinceR: he was complaining about it now being under total control of the USA and corrupt | Jun 17 17:07 |
| schestowitz | it was so good people had to be walled IN | Jun 17 17:08 |
| immibis | imagine a world where politics was a different skillset from computer usage | Jun 17 17:08 |
| schestowitz | ah | Jun 17 17:08 |
| schestowitz | imagine a world where you can do politics WITHOUT tech | Jun 17 17:08 |
| schestowitz | a lot of things now require "mobile" and "email" | Jun 17 17:09 |
| schestowitz | and "web site" | Jun 17 17:09 |
| schestowitz | many people need to ask their kids or neighbours for help | Jun 17 17:09 |
| activelow | i didn't at all defend anything related to soviets | Jun 17 17:09 |
| schestowitz | a lot of people's "Email" is something GAFAM | Jun 17 17:09 |
| schestowitz | and their "phones" are also "GAFAM" | Jun 17 17:09 |
| schestowitz | so they in effect outsource governance of nations to private for-profit companies from another country where the military subsidises thwem | Jun 17 17:10 |
| immibis | using word is related to politics in the same way as cooking a nice dinner is related to politics | Jun 17 17:10 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/05/25/microsoft-uspto/ | Jun 17 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | USPTO Promotes Microsoft Monopoly and Proprietary Software (Updatedx2) | Techrights | Jun 17 17:10 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | today’s howos • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152396 | Jun 17 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howos | Tux Machines | Jun 17 17:10 | |
| DaemonFC | Mandy's boss wasn't happy yesterday. A bunch of his coworkers put the wrong orders in people's cars, and then the boss had to go to people's homes taking them the right orders. | Jun 17 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | Cost the company money because you can't take the items back and sell them again. (Groceries) | Jun 17 17:11 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #patents that literally kill people: How #Patent Extensions Keep Some Drug Costs High https://undark.org/2021/06/16/how-patent-extensions-keep-some-drug-costs-high/ #monopolies #greed | Jun 17 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-undark.org | How Patent Extensions Keep Some Drug Costs High | Jun 17 17:12 | |
| immibis | DaemonFC: do you support or oppose intellectual property? | Jun 17 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Since there's no legal definition of intellectual property, I can't really respond to that. | Jun 17 17:13 |
| immibis | ??? how is there not a legal definition of intellectual property? | Jun 17 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's a term that was cooked up to make several unrelated concepts in the law appear interconnected. | Jun 17 17:13 |
| techrights-bot/fn | approach | Jun 17 17:14 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Heli Pihlajamaa (known inside #epo as "Ms Pyjamas") is promoting illegal #swpats for the corrupt EPO https://www.cms-lawnow.com/ealerts/2021/06/epo-approach-to-examining-computer-implemented-inventions?cc_lang=en see http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa/ | Jun 17 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cms-lawnow.com | EPO approach to examining computer implemented inventions | Jun 17 17:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice — Part 9: Heli, the EPO’s Nordic Ice-Queen | Techrights | Jun 17 17:14 | |
| MinceR | > you realize corporations do not give a fuck about the environment, right? | Jun 17 17:14 |
| MinceR | pretty much nobody does | Jun 17 17:14 |
| immibis | so if you want to save it you should put the people in charge who do | Jun 17 17:14 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #marketing spam disguised as news. One person joining a firm is news? https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/people-and-business/patent-attorney-firm-hgf-opens-first-office-in-france/ #juve became a joke! http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Juve | Jun 17 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Patent attorney firm HGF opens first office in France - JUVE Patent | Jun 17 17:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Juve - Techrights | Jun 17 17:15 | |
| immibis | DaemonFC: they aren't really unrelated, they all cover the same idea, which is that you can own information | Jun 17 17:15 |
| immibis | that is why they are grouped together under the label | Jun 17 17:15 |
| activelow | "intellectual property" from germany was "transferred" twice: after 1945 when tons of documents were shipped around the globe, and again after 1990 when university publishers where sold after western bureaucrats were installed there | Jun 17 17:18 |
| MinceR | those people won't remain there for long when the majority doesn't want to save humanity and have a say in who's in charge | Jun 17 17:18 |
| MinceR | also, when the most powerful people don't want to save humanity and have a say in who's in charge | Jun 17 17:18 |
| techrights-bot/fn | It's a #trademark office, not "Intellectual Property Office", and it is profoundly corrupt https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trademark/1069994/european-intellectual-property-office-announces-that-its-official-eregister-is-now-live see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO #EUIPO | Jun 17 17:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Intellectual Property Office Announces That Its Official ERegister Is Now Live - Intellectual Property - European Union | Jun 17 17:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights | Jun 17 17:19 | |
| immibis | MinceR: there's a difference between the majority not wanting humanity to be the saved, and the majority wanting humanity to be saved but being too lazy to do it | Jun 17 17:21 |
| schestowitz | immibis: you cannot talk about those things collectively | Jun 17 17:21 |
| schestowitz | and even then, you are not pro or con | Jun 17 17:22 |
| schestowitz | it depends on breadth and scope | Jun 17 17:22 |
| immibis | i've met many people who are against all intellectual property on principle because it is government interference in the market | Jun 17 17:22 |
| immibis | and many people who are in favour of the current system because it is government protecting the market | Jun 17 17:22 |
| schestowitz | it's not a property | Jun 17 17:22 |
| schestowitz | for starters | Jun 17 17:22 |
| schestowitz | not legally | Jun 17 17:22 |
| schestowitz | and not technically | Jun 17 17:22 |
| schestowitz | your thoughts are not a property | Jun 17 17:22 |
| schestowitz | it's the wrong term | Jun 17 17:22 |
| immibis | well that's a bit reason people oppose the concept. Because IP *is* legally property | Jun 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | it's not | Jun 17 17:23 |
| immibis | and people say: how can you steal thoughts or information? that makes no sense | Jun 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | the US courts said it's not | Jun 17 17:23 |
| MinceR | immibis: there's no difference in the outcome | Jun 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | it'sa franchise | Jun 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | patents are | Jun 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they are not intellectual either, definitely not rights | Jun 17 17:23 |
| immibis | patents are property, copyright is property, trademarks are property | Jun 17 17:23 |
| MinceR | scientists determine goals we must meet to reduce the damage, then we collectively just watch the deadlines pass and do nothing | Jun 17 17:24 |
| immibis | MinceR: we didn't put people who cared in charge | Jun 17 17:24 |
| schestowitz | immibis: no | Jun 17 17:24 |
| MinceR | the majority doesn't want people who care in charge | Jun 17 17:24 |
| activelow | whatever term applied, authors have rights even without patents involved | Jun 17 17:24 |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Jun 17 17:24 |
| schestowitz | copyright-related restrictions | Jun 17 17:24 |
| MinceR | the last time we had a free election in hungary (2010) the majority wanted nazis who didn't care about our long term survival in charge | Jun 17 17:24 |
| schestowitz | depending on the licence and enforcement | Jun 17 17:24 |
| MinceR | germans have wanted christian fundamentalist nazis in charge for decades | Jun 17 17:25 |
| MinceR | they don't care either | Jun 17 17:25 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Free Software and Open Science" marks the XVI International Congress of Scientific Research ⚓ https://www.theclevelandamerican.com/free-software-and-open-science-marks-the-xvi-international-congress-of-scientific-research/ ䷉ #theclevelandamerican | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest | Jun 17 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theclevelandamerican.com | "Free Software and Open Science" marks the XVI International Congress of Scientific Research | Jun 17 17:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 17 17:26 | |
| immibis | MinceR: then maybe let the germans kill themselves and then there will be less climate change | Jun 17 17:26 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #nytimes should just call it mass #surveillance https://www.nytimes.com/article/vaccine-passport.html it usually has little to do with #covid19 except the excuse they introduce for it: http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ | Jun 17 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | What Are The Roadblocks to a Covid Vaccine Passport? - The New York Times | Jun 17 17:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights | Jun 17 17:26 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | So-called 'development' and 'advancement': drop dead, deaf people. "E3 failed its deaf and hard-of-hearing viewers today" (Engadget). Blind people are treated even worse, so we donate to them every month. Society quit caring about anything but "money" (man-made concept) and tech nihilism. | Jun 17 17:28 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | If you care about #security maybe you should go back to basics and remove unnecessary complexity like #kubernetes ... https://techgenix.com/free-kubernetes-security-tools/ | Jun 17 17:29 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | STOP CALLING IT LEAK. It's a #marketing ploy. #microsoft spam interjected even into so-called "Ubuntu" sites now... https://itsubuntu.com/tpm-2-0-windows-11-error-fixed/ | Jun 17 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TPM 2.0 Windows 11 Error Fixed | Itsubuntu.com | Jun 17 17:31 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Godot Engine - Tiles editor progress report #4 ⚓ https://godotengine.org/article/tiles-editor-progress-4 ䷉ #godotengine #deletegithub | Jun 17 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Tiles editor progress report #4 | Jun 17 17:32 | |
| MinceR | immibis: this is not limited to hungarians or germans | Jun 17 17:36 |
| immibis | i say take all the rightists from Europe and move them to the USA and take all the leftists from the USA and move them to Europe | Jun 17 17:37 |
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| spazz | schestowitz yes. hi | Jun 17 17:48 |
| MinceR | i say take all the authoritarians and move them to north korea | Jun 17 18:16 |
| activelow | authority based on competence isn't a hierarchy of oppression | Jun 17 18:19 |
| activelow | since it was asked, yes I still consider some of my former professers from former soviet region authorities | Jun 17 18:22 |
| activelow | the same doesn't hold true for Telecom business management elsewhere which closed the university | Jun 17 18:22 |
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| activelow | some of them were involved with mjpeg design and implementation and articulated their concerns about patents and ownership of intellectual property | Jun 17 18:26 |
| activelow | and expressed concerns for example about MP3 which was invented at Fraunhofer Institute Germany, which German industry didn't manage to capitalize upon | Jun 17 18:27 |
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| AdmFubar | https://www.salon.com/2021/06/17/remember-snow-days-todays-kids-get-heat-days_partner/ | Jun 17 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Remember snow days? Today’s kids get heat days | Salon.com | Jun 17 18:28 | |
| activelow | Merkel who studied in Leipzig too is known for her support in favor of patents and protection of intellectual property: | Jun 17 18:31 |
| activelow | https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-06/merkel-pushes-back-on-vaccine-patent-waiver-in-clash-with-biden | Jun 17 18:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? | Jun 17 18:31 | |
| immibis | activelow: our current hierarchy is not based on competence, it's based on things like hereditary wealth | Jun 17 18:32 |
| immibis | ... imagine being "concerned" that your university didn't "capitalize on" such an important thing as MP3. It should be open. | Jun 17 18:33 |
| activelow | immibis: ~95% of capital (the final numbers are not settled yet) is inherited among generations in germany is WEST german | Jun 17 18:33 |
| immibis | activelow: and? | Jun 17 18:34 |
| immibis | inherited capital at all is a problem | Jun 17 18:34 |
| immibis | are you trying to say west germany is worse than east germany? | Jun 17 18:34 |
| MinceR | activelow: we weren't talking about authority based on competence, we were talking about nazis and the like :> | Jun 17 18:35 |
| activelow | often east-germans are defamed as "Nazis", add this to the mix of things if you so desire | Jun 17 18:35 |
| immibis | literally nobody defames east germans as nazis lmao | Jun 17 18:36 |
| immibis | I hope that is a simple mistake and not the result of brainwashing | Jun 17 18:37 |
| activelow | question: do you remember who first designed and implemented floating point matrix calculus with a computer? | Jun 17 18:38 |
| activelow | the engineer's name is Kutschbach who worked at University Dresden for Robotron, regardless of who would claim a patent nowadays for it | Jun 17 18:46 |
| activelow | the machine was a Robotron 300, an IBM 1401 clone according to wikipedia | Jun 17 18:47 |
| schestowitz | [18:27] <activelow> and expressed concerns for example about MP3 which was invented at Fraunhofer Institute Germany, which German industry didn't manage to capitalize upon | Jun 17 18:49 |
| schestowitz | wrong. | Jun 17 18:49 |
| schestowitz | they contributes some patents | Jun 17 18:49 |
| schestowitz | by intentionally making mp3 worse | Jun 17 18:49 |
| schestowitz | so they can get more patents | Jun 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | not the same as 'inventing' it | Jun 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | there were already other codecs | Jun 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | [18:31] <activelow> Merkel who studied in Leipzig too is known for her support in favor of patents and protection of intellectual property: | Jun 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Merkel is an idiot about patents and moreover she supports sheer corruption by patent offices: http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/bundestagate-part-20/ | Jun 17 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag — Part 20: Taking Stock | Techrights | Jun 17 18:51 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/04/15/bundestagate-part-19/ | Jun 17 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag — Part 19: The Deafening Silence of the Media | Techrights | Jun 17 18:51 | |
| schestowitz | it's quite a scandal how the German government has handles EPO crimes | Jun 17 18:51 |
| activelow | schestowitz: i didn't vote for Merkel or any party supporting the current EU agenda | Jun 17 18:52 |
| activelow | anyway, the Robotron 300 is remarkble piece of history, since east germans were skilled with reverse engineering of western chips to copy those, and in parallel too invented their own extensions | Jun 17 18:53 |
| activelow | just in case anyone would claim a patent it is good to know where specific designs originated | Jun 17 18:58 |
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| activelow | in Leipzig the National Library keeps record of all German language publications and when these appeared, and who the inventor was | Jun 17 18:59 |
| activelow | concerning MP3 it isn't the compression itself which is impressive, it is the mathematics and engineering involved with signal processing and sampling (A-D conversion, analog circuitry, filter designs) | Jun 17 19:04 |
| activelow | a designer involved with mjpeg had given a lecture once too and seemed somewhat annoyed, although i cannot remember what it was exactly | Jun 17 19:06 |
| activelow | along the timeline of "privatization" of German Telecom, "re-unification" in parallel to some university publishers sold | Jun 17 19:07 |
| activelow | now ITU-T in the hands of Korean Telecom Mr. Lee, which i am not sure yet what to think of this | Jun 17 19:08 |
| activelow | the best joke will probably be the prise of what was sold, be it German Telecom or Freenode | Jun 17 19:09 |
| activelow | another reason not to vote for Merkel and her affiliates | Jun 17 19:09 |
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| activelow | Robotron Dresden too manufactured calculators for which schematics existed, yet we were equipped with Texas Instruments after 1990 with schematics and software remaining closed (some offshore island in the carribean last time i tried to track that) | Jun 17 19:19 |
| activelow | ironay again, 30 years later Bosch company now desparately had to invest in Dresden to manufacture microchips due to the supply shortage in German Automotive | Jun 17 19:22 |
| activelow | *irony | Jun 17 19:22 |
| activelow | it is their biggest investment ever made in German history they said, although i doubt money can compensate for the decades lost, since when "uncompetitive" Robotron was dismantled and publishers sold | Jun 17 19:23 |
| activelow | in recent years German industry boasted with pride they attached tablets to German machinery and manufacturing everywhere, "industry 4.0", lmfao | Jun 17 19:24 |
| immibis | many would say the mere existence of a patent office is sheer corruption | Jun 17 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I just did two videos about EPO | Jun 17 19:26 |
| schestowitz | and UPC | Jun 17 19:26 |
| schestowitz | it is a lot of corruption in both | Jun 17 19:27 |
| schestowitz | vendor capture | Jun 17 19:27 |
| schestowitz | not even by European companies | Jun 17 19:27 |
| schestowitz | thankfully more people not understand that | Jun 17 19:27 |
| schestowitz | *now | Jun 17 19:27 |
| psydroid | tablets to control mission-critical industrial equipment? | Jun 17 19:27 |
| activelow | it is called "panel" in the industry | Jun 17 19:27 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.pendrivelinux.com/recover-lost-space-on-a-usb-flash-drive/ | Jun 17 19:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pendrivelinux.com | Recover Lost Space on a USB Flash Drive | Pen Drive Linux | Jun 17 19:27 | |
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| AdmFubar | https://www.salon.com/2021/06/17/amy-coney-barrett-trumps-controversial-final-supreme-court-pick-votes-to-uphold-obamacare/ | Jun 17 19:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amy Coney Barrett, Trump's controversial final Supreme Court pick, votes to uphold Obamacare | Salon.com | Jun 17 19:28 | |
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| activelow | psydroid: to my knowlege they too chose TCP/IP over X.25 which was common in german railway, yet remember i quit 2005 and am not involved anymore | Jun 17 19:29 |
| activelow | since because "uncompetitive", "unproductive", "costs" and such, "privatization" of German Telecom | Jun 17 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | DT? | Jun 17 19:32 |
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| activelow | Deutsche Telekom | Jun 17 19:32 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/07412446992/recent-antitrust-push-is-weirdly-narrow-pretends-telecom-banking-dont-exist.shtml | Jun 17 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Recent Antitrust Push Is Weirdly Narrow, Pretends Telecom And Banking Don't Exist | Techdirt | Jun 17 19:33 | |
| AdmFubar | https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/akamai_prolexic_australia_outage/ | Jun 17 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | You had one job: Akamai's Prolexic Denial-of-Service protection system fingered after users in Australia denied, er, services • The Register | Jun 17 19:35 | |
| MinceR | i wasn't talking about east germans as nazis | Jun 17 19:37 |
| MinceR | but AfD enjoys a lot of support there | Jun 17 19:37 |
| activelow | MinceR: AfD is misrepresented almost always, i kept record of some details concerning this | Jun 17 19:38 |
| MinceR | AfD to CDU/CSU is pretty much what ECR/ID is to EPP | Jun 17 19:39 |
| MinceR | they're all cancer | Jun 17 19:39 |
| MinceR | some of them are more vocal about being nazis than others | Jun 17 19:39 |
| AdmFubar | https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/space_force_turtle_expert/ | Jun 17 19:39 |
| activelow | last time they were accused of being "Nazi" was when they proposed family support for families with one partner being german and the other partner being a foreigner | Jun 17 19:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Space Force turtle expert uncovers $1.2m Cape Canaveral cocaine haul • The Register | Jun 17 19:39 | |
| activelow | MinceR: in public then it was argued AfD intended to exclude immigrants from family benefits | Jun 17 19:39 |
| activelow | which is the complete opposite of what they are planning | Jun 17 19:40 |
| AdmFubar | https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/06/17/185239/google-backs-linux-project-to-make-android-chrome-os-harder-to-hack?utm_source=rss0.9mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed | Jun 17 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Google Backs Linux Project To Make Android, Chrome OS Harder To Hack - Slashdot | Jun 17 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | BS headline | Jun 17 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I saw that | Jun 17 19:43 |
| schestowitz | they promote rust | Jun 17 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | as if it's a "security" thing | Jun 17 19:43 |
| schestowitz | rather, it makes the kernel fragmented in the P/L sense | Jun 17 19:43 |
| schestowitz | and can be harder to maintain | Jun 17 19:43 |
| activelow | MinceR: often it is a problem that EU citizens work in germany or for german companies as "freelancers" and do NOT pay for social security | Jun 17 19:43 |
| MinceR | wouldn't be so much of a problem if we had no states | Jun 17 19:43 |
| activelow | MinceR: and then intend to benefit from german social security | Jun 17 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Wants-Rust-In-Kernel | Jun 17 19:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Wants To See Rust Code In The Linux Kernel, Contracts The Main Developer - Phoronix | Jun 17 19:44 | |
| MinceR | activelow: therefore foreigners are bad? | Jun 17 19:44 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ | Jun 17 19:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights | Jun 17 19:44 | |
| immibis | psydroid: what would you use, special ruggedized PCs? | Jun 17 19:45 |
| schestowitz | they mean foreigners in the racial sense | Jun 17 19:45 |
| schestowitz | not national sense | Jun 17 19:45 |
| schestowitz | so even naturalised germans can be 'foreign' | Jun 17 19:45 |
| immibis | writing kernel code in something with provable security seems sensible but only if people can actually do it | Jun 17 19:45 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.rawstory.com/antibody-cuts-deaths-for-some-severe-patients-study/ | Jun 17 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | Antibody drug cuts deaths for some severe COVID patients: study - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism | Jun 17 19:46 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/abbott/ | Jun 17 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gov. Greg Abbott says power grid better than ever as Texans asked to cut back electricity use - Alternet.org | Jun 17 19:50 | |
| activelow | MinceR: i will vote for any party which supports and executes action to quit the current EU agenda. | Jun 17 19:50 |
| activelow | reminder German High court ruled recently that EU itself violated EU contracts | Jun 17 19:51 |
| MinceR | activelow: and then what? | Jun 17 19:51 |
| activelow | MinceR: EU promised Germany would have a stable currency, EU promised Germany would have peace. Simple answer we had that BEFORE EU regime was in charge. | Jun 17 19:52 |
| activelow | and political terrorism is on the rise AFTER EU REGIME was installed | Jun 17 19:53 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/larry-householder/ | Jun 17 19:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Racketeering, bribery and money laundering': Ohio House votes to expel Republican ex-speaker facing federal charges - Alternet.org | Jun 17 19:53 | |
| MinceR | activelow: sounds a lot like brexit | Jun 17 19:57 |
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| MinceR | 1. leave EU 2. ??? 3. all our problems solved! | Jun 17 19:59 |
| activelow | yes MinceR, although it wasn't AfD political party which ruled EU violated contracts, it was German High Court recently | Jun 17 19:59 |
| activelow | and quitting with this will solve alot of problems | Jun 17 19:59 |
| MinceR | on its own it's unlikely to | Jun 17 20:00 |
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| activelow | reestablish some national authority to enforce social security legislation, one example | Jun 17 20:00 |
| MinceR | and it's going to cause a lot of problems, which you'll need to know how to deal with | Jun 17 20:00 |
| schestowitz | just fixed a big in techrights-ipfs-bot | Jun 17 20:00 |
| schestowitz | *bug | Jun 17 20:00 |
| schestowitz | activelow: EU benefits Germany | Jun 17 20:01 |
| MinceR | your businesses would be forced to pay a lot extra in duties | Jun 17 20:01 |
| activelow | schestowitz: propaganda lie | Jun 17 20:01 |
| schestowitz | it always amuses me when Germans moean about EU | Jun 17 20:01 |
| schestowitz | *moan | Jun 17 20:01 |
| MinceR | and of course a lot of laws that originate in the EU will still be on the books | Jun 17 20:01 |
| schestowitz | with UK out Germany and France have even more control | Jun 17 20:01 |
| MinceR | apparently the Tory idea was "leave the EU so we can screw our citizens better" | Jun 17 20:02 |
| MinceR | which is obviously not the only way | Jun 17 20:02 |
| schestowitz | EPO undoubtedly helps Germany the most, NL second | Jun 17 20:02 |
| MinceR | but if you have no plan, you're going to behave like a headless chicken while businesses bleed money to the EU | Jun 17 20:02 |
| activelow | the frontlines in EU are complicated, including concerns of who is acting as foreign agent of US politics for example | Jun 17 20:02 |
| activelow | sadly this won't change anyway | Jun 17 20:02 |
| schestowitz | giant netsplit just not in freenode | Jun 17 20:03 |
| schestowitz | they're not that much more stable after changing their IRCD and starting from scratch, Ariadne | Jun 17 20:03 |
| schestowitz | *just now | Jun 17 20:03 |
| MinceR | like many other things, they did that stupidly | Jun 17 20:04 |
| MinceR | they could have transitioned smoothly, but no | Jun 17 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | Do I need to restart the bridge? | Jun 17 20:04 |
| schestowitz | they could have migrated the DB over | Jun 17 20:04 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: no | Jun 17 20:04 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jun 17 20:04 |
| schestowitz | the bridge seems to work OK | Jun 17 20:04 |
| MinceR | they could have warned users in advance | Jun 17 20:04 |
| schestowitz | but about 20 users were split out | Jun 17 20:04 |
| MinceR | they could have taken servers they wanted to repurpose out of DNS and wait for the change to propagate before taking them down | Jun 17 20:04 |
| MinceR | also, apparently inspircd keeps telling my client about users quitting that we didn't even share a channel with | Jun 17 20:05 |
| schestowitz | with far fewer channels and users they could split in half, new and old | Jun 17 20:05 |
| schestowitz | then build the new env | Jun 17 20:05 |
| schestowitz | reduce ttl | Jun 17 20:05 |
| AdmFubar | https://hackaday.com/2021/06/17/where-are-all-the-cheap-x86-single-board-pcs/ | Jun 17 20:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Where Are All The Cheap X86 Single Board PCs? | Hackaday | Jun 17 20:05 | |
| schestowitz | switch over to new one seamlessly | Jun 17 20:06 |
| schestowitz | AdmFubar: where are all the "cheap" gold rings | Jun 17 20:06 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 20:06 |
| schestowitz | x86 is expensive crap | Jun 17 20:06 |
| schestowitz | and needs big batteries of PSU | Jun 17 20:06 |
| schestowitz | *or | Jun 17 20:06 |
| schestowitz | but Atom failed | Jun 17 20:06 |
| schestowitz | and they have no backup plan | Jun 17 20:06 |
| AdmFubar | he's talking retro... like 386 days | Jun 17 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Intel wants to swallow RISC-V now | Jun 17 20:07 |
| MinceR | how did atom fail? afaik netbooks were a huge success back in the day | Jun 17 20:07 |
| MinceR | i guess the redmond mafia didn't like them though | Jun 17 20:07 |
| schestowitz | atom was buried | Jun 17 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Vista111Edition(TM) WillFixEverything(R) | Jun 17 20:07 |
| MinceR | then intel replaced the working atoms with these tablet-oriented pieces of shit with 32bit UEFI designed specifically for vendor lock-in | Jun 17 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Intel is mostly left out of that market | Jun 17 20:08 |
| schestowitz | the tablets are things like qualcomm | Jun 17 20:08 |
| MinceR | they could have been XScale, but intel sold that too | Jun 17 20:08 |
| schestowitz | but the Windows 'tablets' (bricks) cost too much and don't last long before charges | Jun 17 20:08 |
| schestowitz | it's fun to watch.. | Jun 17 20:08 |
| activelow | EU ruling anti-trust against Microsoft was a scam anyway | Jun 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | [20:09] [Error] Connection to server chat.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection. | Jun 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | [20:09] [Info] Trying to reconnect to chat.freenode.net (port 6697) in 10 seconds. | Jun 17 20:09 |
| MinceR | usian rulings against microsoft were scams too | Jun 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | lovely jubbly | Jun 17 20:09 |
| activelow | EUPL (european public license) is a joke too, when it explicitely states an author publishing under this license did so "royalty free" | Jun 17 20:13 |
| activelow | a license with zero income policy, wonder who lobbied for this | Jun 17 20:13 |
| psydroid | Intel is a one-trick pony with x86, just like Microsoft with Windows and apparently IBM with its mainframes | Jun 17 20:14 |
| MinceR | and intel and ibm are so by choice | Jun 17 20:15 |
| MinceR | microsoft is because they couldn't set up their racket in other markets | Jun 17 20:15 |
| psydroid | > how did atom fail? afaik netbooks were a huge success back in the day | Jun 17 20:15 |
| psydroid | > i guess the redmond mafia didn't like them though | Jun 17 20:15 |
| psydroid | ARM tablets and phones made them redundant, netbooks with GNU/Linux were nice | Jun 17 20:15 |
| MinceR | i wish they did | Jun 17 20:16 |
| MinceR | but most ARM SoCs don't have a way to safely change OS and don't support OS developers | Jun 17 20:16 |
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| psydroid | something like Honeycomb at a lower pricepoint is what would be nice to have as an OS developer | Jun 17 20:18 |
| activelow | wake me up when Texas Instruments publishes schematics, documents and source code for their TI89 | Jun 17 20:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 17 20:19 |
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| activelow | Motorola: defunct 2011, seems neither Google nor Lenovo can handle it, TI89 was equipped with a 68000 iirc | Jun 17 20:23 |
| activelow | meanwhile i enjoy the rest of my "royalty free" life in EU | Jun 17 20:24 |
| activelow | lmfao | Jun 17 20:25 |
| activelow | last time i had seen Motorola in the news was the recent political mob throwing bombs and shooting at each other, and a Motorola office building in Israel shown in the background | Jun 17 20:30 |
| activelow | recently German Politics were worried some german special forces troops diverted 500 rounds of ammo in total for their private shooting ranges | Jun 17 20:31 |
| activelow | the big picture of this 99% of warheads are stockpiled in USA and Russia (both Trumpistan), now whining germans should invest into Nato while those international actors sabotaged for decades to share the loot acquired after 1945 and after 1990 again | Jun 17 20:39 |
| activelow | recently it was proposed to send Turkish troops to Afghanistan, who operate (west) German Tanks, (east) German tanks were in the hands of syrians, we had seen how this ended | Jun 17 20:41 |
| activelow | suddenly, somehow, the patent restiction makes sense, with biological, chemical and nuclear technology involved | Jun 17 20:47 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/06/store-drop-off-another-recycling-fail.html | Jun 17 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Store Drop-Off: Another Recycling Fail | naked capitalism | Jun 17 20:48 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/06/shale-oil-fraud-case-reveals-executives-ignore-their-own-engineers-and-mislead-investors.html | Jun 17 20:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Shale Oil Fraud Case Reveals Executives Ignore Their Own Engineers and Mislead Investors | naked capitalism | Jun 17 20:50 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/06/paul-van-oorschots-computer-security-and-the-internet.html | Jun 17 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Paul van Oorschot’s Computer Security and the Internet - Schneier on Security | Jun 17 20:54 | |
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| activelow | Ukraine dismantled too, didn't take long until "international investors" showed up there, Burisma London Holding | Jun 17 21:00 |
| activelow | the strongest supporters of Burisma seem to be "Alliance90/green" in Germany, peace-loving pacifists, pro-EU, pro Atlantic Bridge, pro Yugo-war, pro Biden, the Ukraine incident had cost thousands of lives alone | Jun 17 21:02 |
| activelow | most of the "eco-activist" and "pacifist" NGOs are foreign agents, prepared for with argument to act in the interest of Washington | Jun 17 21:04 |
| activelow | the current candidate of theirs (Alliance90/greens) to run for the seat of German Chancelor speaks German language on undergraduate level | Jun 17 21:06 |
| activelow | almost all of the high ranking personalities in politics, news and media are associated with "atlantik brücke" washington, simply check who is on the member list there to place your bet who will be "elected" by "democratic vote" in germany | Jun 17 21:08 |
| DaemonFC_phone | Okay, now the Freenode bridge in Matrix doesn't even work. | Jun 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC_phone | What a mess. | Jun 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC_phone | This is actually kind of funny. | Jun 17 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC_phone: See? I wanted you in advance :) | Jun 17 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | warned | Jun 17 21:14 |
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| XRevan86 | Huh, no one even reported that | Jun 17 21:16 |
| XRevan86 | I guess everyone decided this is fate. | Jun 17 21:16 |
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| gustaf | https://twitter.com/ramsey/status/1405534007584985093 | Jun 17 21:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ramsey: @RefChatNet @matrixdotorg As of yesterday, I think Matrix was still working on setting up a bridge for the new Free… https://t.co/qA92grHr82 | Jun 17 21:18 | |
| gustaf | prolly not the highest prio | Jun 17 21:18 |
| activelow | EU is crucial to their plans because they control the currency with it, to acquire what isn't theirs: soil, workforce, "intellectual property" | Jun 17 21:20 |
| activelow | recently i had noticed "east germans" posing on tv as "we are east-german startups", while none of them spoke east-german | Jun 17 21:20 |
| activelow | U menja polski, lol | Jun 17 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: cho-cho u tebe? | Jun 17 21:25 |
| activelow | no moja ruski jasuik est ochen plocho, ne ponimaju, isvinite poschalsta | Jun 17 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Nu dobre, jak skazhesh | Jun 17 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Ale moja dumka taka: w polskoj nemaje "menja", ce suto moskovska rich | Jun 17 21:29 |
| activelow | didn't practice russian for 18 years :( | Jun 17 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: That would make it harder to read this transliterated Ukrainian I'm throwing at you :D | Jun 17 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | Polish has drastically different phonetics but there are more parallels with it here. | Jun 17 21:32 |
| AdmFubar | https://threatpost.com/google-docs-host-attack/166998/ | Jun 17 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Threat Actors Use Google Docs to Host Phishing Attacks | Threatpost | Jun 17 21:41 | |
| AdmFubar | https://threatpost.com/cvs-health-records-billion-customers-exposed/167011/ | Jun 17 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CVS Health Records for 1.1 Billion Customers Exposed | Threatpost | Jun 17 21:41 | |
| MinceR | well, the people who keep banning DaemonFC probably also don't want to run a bridge to freenode | Jun 17 21:43 |
| MinceR | > none of them spoke east-german | Jun 17 21:43 |
| MinceR | what exactly is "east-german"? | Jun 17 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | divergent slang maybe? | Jun 17 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | and dialectisms | Jun 17 21:44 |
| MinceR | there are several states that formed east germany, with different dialects, afaik | Jun 17 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yea. | Jun 17 21:44 |
| activelow | MinceR: german language is a very old language, and carries along language traits common in Netherlands, Scandinavia, and Russia/Ukraine/Poland | Jun 17 21:45 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/first-wooden-nanosatellite-to-launch-this-year-after-successful-stratospheric-test-9725271.html | Jun 17 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-First wooden nanosatellite to launch this year after successful stratospheric test- Technology News, Firstpost | Jun 17 21:45 | |
| activelow | MinceR: if specific language traits are missing then it isn't east-german language where these retained | Jun 17 21:46 |
| MinceR | east low german, east central german, bits of others | Jun 17 21:46 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/microsoft-appoints-ceo-satya-nadella-as-companys-chairman-of-board-of-directors-9725091.html | Jun 17 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft appoints CEO Satya Nadella as company's chairman of board of directors- Technology News, Firstpost | Jun 17 21:47 | |
| activelow | add to this yiddish which is very common in east-germany too | Jun 17 21:47 |
| MinceR | and they probably have more on common with non "east-german" related dialects than with each other | Jun 17 21:47 |
| activelow | whatever language those supposed "east-germans" speak, it isn't mine | Jun 17 21:48 |
| MinceR | then there's east franconian in Eisenach, which is still in the former east | Jun 17 21:48 |
| activelow | furthermore german language is a highly sophisticated language, and lacking nuance with expression and grammar is a common indicator of some specific influence too | Jun 17 21:49 |
| activelow | i mean the "alliance90/green" candidate running for seat of german chancellor is an insult to german language | Jun 17 21:49 |
| activelow | in this regard Merkel wasn't convincing either, she denied her heritage having studied in Leipzig entirely | Jun 17 21:50 |
| gustaf | what's the history of the #boycottnovell and -social channels? | Jun 17 21:51 |
| MinceR | techrights started out as boycottnovell | Jun 17 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | Governor Pritzker said we're in a lottery for cash for having been vaccinated. | Jun 17 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it's nice to dream at least. | Jun 17 21:51 |
| gustaf | ah ok | Jun 17 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, if the news asks what I'm doing with the money I'll have to say moving to Texas. | Jun 17 21:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | Just not part of Texas that gets its power from ERCOT. | Jun 17 21:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | And I'm going to buy a truck. | Jun 17 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | With a V8 engine. | Jun 17 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | If you buy it after you're no longer an Illinois resident, you save thousands on sales tax. | Jun 17 21:57 |
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| AdmFubar | https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/recall-dry-cat-food-fold-hill-food/ | Jun 17 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RECALL: Nearly 2 Dozen Types of Dry Cat Food Made by Fold Hill Foods | Snopes.com | Jun 17 21:57 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.snopes.com/articles/349828/walmart-security-cameras-tiktok/ | Jun 17 21:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Walmart Security Cameras on Shelves Are 'Fake,' TikTok Videos Claim | Snopes.com | Jun 17 21:59 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I was reading an article about Greta Thunberg. It said that she made that "carbon neutral" trip from the UK to the US by way of a solar powered boat, but to do so required two people to fly to the US and back on a commercial flight who wouldn't have had to if she hadn't traveled that way. | Jun 17 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Don't you love virtue signaling? | Jun 17 22:00 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 22:00 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/06/17/murder-hornet-found-washington/ | Jun 17 22:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-‘Murder Hornet’ Found in Washington State | Snopes.com | Jun 17 22:00 | |
| MinceR | maybe they bought carbon credits to offset it :> | Jun 17 22:00 |
| MinceR | (not like that actually fixes the problem) | Jun 17 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | There's been a lot of carbon credit scams. | Jun 17 22:01 |
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| DaemonFC | The US doesn't really track them all that well. | Jun 17 22:01 |
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| AdmFubar | Oh this sound familiar! | Jun 17 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe the US can just pay some country where they're living in mud huts anyway to not pollute, just as they would have anyway, and then we're neutral, and a little light on cash, but hey. | Jun 17 22:02 |
| AdmFubar | https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/google_chrome_conformance/ | Jun 17 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Chrome 'Conformance' for JavaScript frameworks says: If you don't follow our rules, your project won't build • The Register | Jun 17 22:02 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The news reported on a Microsoft test project to run a server farm under the ocean. I couldn't help myself. | Jun 17 22:03 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | I said, "Hey, we've all been tempted to take our Windows computer and toss it in a large body of water before.". | Jun 17 22:03 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 17 22:03 |
| MinceR | i thought it was going to be a spongebob reference | Jun 17 22:04 |
| MinceR | or something about moving their upper management under the ocean to accompany it | Jun 17 22:04 |
| MinceR | or something about Cthulhu or R'lyeh | Jun 17 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft was having its employees live in server farms to evade the COVID lockdowns. | Jun 17 22:04 |
| activelow | the climate debate is a scam anyway, such as the 2.5°C target propagated by "greens", meanwhile temperature anomalies surpassed 10°C in germany already | Jun 17 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | They were complaining that the temperature fluctuated between hotter than hell and the air conditioner cycling on and turning it into the north pole. | Jun 17 22:04 |
| immibis | activelow: scam by the pro-climate-change crowd so they can keep polluting. They have infinite energy and air conditioning, we don't | Jun 17 22:05 |
| activelow | the carbon tax is a scam too, CO2 increased by some dozen percent, methane concentration increased 300% | Jun 17 22:05 |
| MinceR | activelow: well, some regions being affected more than others isn't exactly a surprise | Jun 17 22:05 |
| MinceR | the target is about the global average | Jun 17 22:05 |
| immibis | people keep proposing targets just ahead of us, and we keep plowing through them | Jun 17 22:05 |
| activelow | exactly immibis, Alliance90/greens in germany is a scam, they are foreign agents acting in the interest of washington and what is lobbied there | Jun 17 22:06 |
| activelow | it is no coincidence Alliance90/greens too are strong supporters of Burisma London holding | Jun 17 22:06 |
| immibis | "maybe let's stop 1000 feet before the cliff." "lol no." "okay 900." "lol no." "okay 800." "lol no." ... "how about 30 feet?" "lol no." "20 feet?" "lol no." "10 feet." "lol no." ... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... aaaaaand humanity's extinct | Jun 17 22:06 |
| MinceR | immibis: exactly | Jun 17 22:06 |
| MinceR | we're past the "let's avoid the catastrophe" phase, now it's the "maybe make it less severe? NO!" phase | Jun 17 22:07 |
| immibis | at this point, the GOOD news is humanity might not become extinct because when the economy collapses the planet will have some time to undo what we did | Jun 17 22:07 |
| immibis | only 95% of humans will die instead of 100 | Jun 17 22:07 |
| MinceR | i don't see how that's good news | Jun 17 22:07 |
| MinceR | as long as humanity survives, it will continue being a threat to life on this planet | Jun 17 22:08 |
| immibis | MinceR: the bad news is humans might become extinct, the good news is they might not | Jun 17 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | Well, we always have more pressing matters to attend to. | Jun 17 22:08 |
| immibis | will the history books say "I told you so"? | Jun 17 22:08 |
| activelow | none of the proposed actions will counter climate change, taxation of energy is their plans only, high taxation, to generate cash flow into their pockets, energy must be consumed to be taxed | Jun 17 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | Like no matter how much money you earn it seems to take 110% of it to survive. | Jun 17 22:08 |
| MinceR | immibis: maybe if we develop powerful enough AI to write a history book | Jun 17 22:08 |
| activelow | hence "greens" agitate for electric vehicles and Tesla type cars, in parallel to holding tsla stocks | Jun 17 22:08 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: let me guess, Biden? always a more pressing matter until there isn't. When we're 3 feet away from the cliff then it will be pressing, but we'll have too much momentum to stop. | Jun 17 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | I can only imagine how people with kids manage to live. | Jun 17 22:09 |
| immibis | activelow: taxation disincentivizes activities | Jun 17 22:09 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: let's abolish capitalism | Jun 17 22:09 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: they hear people talking about overpopulation and become outraged | Jun 17 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | Isn't dealing with a crappy old car that barely works and has to go into the shop every few months bad enough? | Jun 17 22:09 |
| MinceR | 17 230910 < immibis> activelow: taxation disincentivizes activities | Jun 17 22:09 |
| MinceR | activities of poor people, that is | Jun 17 22:09 |
| activelow | even worse, those who had remained competitive(!) with a low energy footprint (efficiency) become uncompetitive under Alliance90/green doctrine, in favor of the types of cars sold in Washington/USA | Jun 17 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | Mom was telling me how tight fisted my dad was with money. They could afford a new car if he had wanted to buy one. | Jun 17 22:09 |
| MinceR | EU emission regulations are already counterproductive | Jun 17 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | But for years they had to drive every rusted out $200 piece of crap that some friend of theirs at work wanted rid of. | Jun 17 22:10 |
| MinceR | small, efficient cars are disappearing | Jun 17 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | <MinceR> EU emission regulations are already counterproductive | Jun 17 22:10 |
| immibis | MinceR: aren't rich people supposed to be the best at avoiding taxes? regardless, the 99% are probably doing the most of almost everything, just by sheer numbers... | Jun 17 22:10 |
| MinceR | including the Suzuki Jimny | Jun 17 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | Mostly because they pile on to the price of a new car. | Jun 17 22:10 |
| activelow | EU regulations are industry politics to harm German industry, again most pronounced agitated for by Alliance90/greens | Jun 17 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | Makes it more financially viable to find a beater that doesn't get the best mileage. | Jun 17 22:10 |
| MinceR | immibis: they can avoid taxes, but if they don't want to change their behavior, they'll just pay extra without significant impact | Jun 17 22:10 |
| MinceR | immibis: while you break your balls trying to stay afloat | Jun 17 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | You can tune an engine to get good mileage, but that comes with other costs. | Jun 17 22:11 |
| activelow | Merkel too is a foreign agent of USA (Atlantik Brücke), acting in the interest of Washington/USA | Jun 17 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | It adds to the cost of the car. It puts more pieces on the engine that break after 100,000 miles or so and need to be replaced or rebuilt. | Jun 17 22:11 |
| activelow | Germany already has highest energy prices in Europe, for two decades, carbon tax (eco tax, etc.) were introduced already 20 years ago | Jun 17 22:12 |
| activelow | the "renewable" subsidies are a money laundring scam | Jun 17 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | Scotty Kilmer is a mechanic, he works on all kinds of cars. | Jun 17 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | He says don't buy a Kia if you want it to last a while. | Jun 17 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | He says he almost never sees them with any kind of mileage on the odometer in decent shape. | Jun 17 22:13 |
| AdmFubar | scotty hyperventilates a lot.. or need less caffeine in his diet | Jun 17 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | He showed one that had 68,000 miles on it and the shocks were already gone. | Jun 17 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | Mine had 5,000 miles on it and the air conditioner already failed and had to be worked on under warranty. | Jun 17 22:13 |
| MinceR | Scotty Kilmer likes to title his videos with things he hardly talks about in them, most of the video is about something else | Jun 17 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | The paint is so cheap that it all scratches right off the minute you drive off with it and you'll have rust on a 5 year old car. | Jun 17 22:14 |
| MinceR | it's annoying | Jun 17 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | "Modern" is just a code word for junk. | Jun 17 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | Cheap junk. | Jun 17 22:14 |
| immibis | activelow: do german people use less energy as a result? | Jun 17 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | They realize that Americans are too cheap to pay for anything good, so they come up with a $18,000 car that's not gonna last long. | Jun 17 22:15 |
| activelow | immibis: NO | Jun 17 22:15 |
| immibis | activelow: so prices do not incentivize behaviour? | Jun 17 22:15 |
| MinceR | not always | Jun 17 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | There was one car that was liek $12,000 and I heard that the engine, brand new, sounds like a washing machine with a bucket of bolts banging around in it. | Jun 17 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | Forget who makes it. So you do get things like this under Capitalism. | Jun 17 22:16 |
| activelow | immibis: they do, those who had remained competitive with a low energy footprint became uncompetitive due to taxation | Jun 17 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | You get all kinds of junk under Capitalism. Most of it is junk. | Jun 17 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't save you from inferior quality. It tries to figure out ways to market inferior quality as a lifestyle accessory. | Jun 17 22:16 |
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| activelow | it is no coincidence either the eco-activist narrative (scam) is paralleled with extreme anti-german sentiment (Nazi accusations etc.) | Jun 17 22:17 |
| activelow | together with their "intersectional identity" quackery | Jun 17 22:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Roger Waters tells Facebook CEO to Zuck off after 'huge' song rights request • The Register | Jun 17 22:23 | |
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| activelow | https://www.dw.com/en/germany-disbands-stasi-records-agency-but-saves-files/a-57941839 | Jun 17 22:26 |
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| immibis | activelow: wouldn't it make them more competitive because their prices rose less than their competitors' prices? | Jun 17 22:30 |
| immibis | and, if done right, such a tax should offset the other taxes people pay, so that people have more money to afford those prices | Jun 17 22:31 |
| immibis | activelow: do you seriously link Nazi identity with German identity? wtf | Jun 17 22:31 |
| immibis | show me a German who identifies as a Nazi | Jun 17 22:31 |
| activelow | so far german car manufacturers didn't suffer, many cars are neither produced nor sold domestically, energy production sector suffered (nuclear, coal, imports) | Jun 17 22:34 |
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| activelow | furthermore the entire energy agenda is a scam, it is difficult to argue rationally since most of the data publicly presented is falsified | Jun 17 22:34 |
| activelow | immibis: long story short renewable subsudies summed up to 2Billion (US Trillion) with an effective market share of renewables close to ~1% | Jun 17 22:35 |
| activelow | *subsidies | Jun 17 22:35 |
| immibis | the point of the subsidies is to increase that number, no? | Jun 17 22:36 |
| activelow | if subsidies are either increased or decreased is completely agnostic towards climate change concerns | Jun 17 22:36 |
| activelow | since these are a money laundring and cash grabbing scam, besides supporting interests (Anti-german industry politics in EU, pro-Washington politics by foreign agents posing as NGO eco activist etc) | Jun 17 22:37 |
| activelow | furthermore what was supposed to be a Nazi lacks definition, since this movement was rooted in the "German Workers(!) Party" -> and AfD gained most support among workers, craftsmen etc. doesn't mean they are "Nazi" | Jun 17 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | https://twitter.com/plainoldchair/status/1405492547087224832 the terrorist-free network | Jun 17 22:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@plainoldchair: @VeryLoudMC @freenodestaff he actually banned someone for "terrorism" like yesterday. < ashmandias> king rasengan… https://t.co/tPtAe93KtB | Jun 17 22:48 | |
| MathAmphetamine | XRevan86: that was obvious trolling and it was only a channel ban | Jun 17 22:50 |
| XRevan86 | MathAmphetamine: Can he please not troll? | Jun 17 22:50 |
| *MathAmphetamine is now known as CrystalMath | Jun 17 22:50 | |
| CrystalMath | ashmandias was the troll i mean | Jun 17 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Definitely disgruntled. Not the focus though. | Jun 17 22:53 |
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| CrystalMath | i did describe the stuff that libera did to freenode as "terrorism" and that is exactly what it looks like to me | Jun 17 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | they couldn't just leave us alone and start their own network | Jun 17 22:53 |
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| XRevan86 | ashmandias is affiliated somehow? | Jun 17 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | no clue | Jun 17 22:57 |
| immibis | activelow: what would it take for them to not be those things? | Jun 17 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | i just think that libera staff are "online terrorists" whatever that means | Jun 17 22:57 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Asking questions, even in a disrespective manner, is not exactly "terrorism", even with the quotes. | Jun 17 22:57 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: you don't know what it means, but you think they are it. That's basically brainwashed sheeple behaviour | Jun 17 22:58 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: well like i feel like they terrorized people | Jun 17 22:58 |
| immibis | then you must know what that means | Jun 17 22:58 |
| CrystalMath | they controlled something that didn't belong to them | Jun 17 22:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: █▂▅▆▇▆▁▂▂▆▃▅▅█▃▄█▇▆▇▆▇▂█▆▅▄█▄▅▅▇▁ avg(k/sec) 39.61 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▂▁▂▁█▂▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▂█▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 39.35▕ swarm size (avg): 166.49 ⟲ | Jun 17 22:59 |
| CrystalMath | although if you say they're terrorists, people may get the idea that they used weapons and stuff, they didn't of course | Jun 17 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Ye can go for "extremists", like Navalny | Jun 17 22:59 |
| gustaf | bandits | Jun 17 22:59 |
| gustaf | hooligans | Jun 17 22:59 |
| gustaf | wreckers | Jun 17 22:59 |
| gustaf | luddites | Jun 17 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | "luddites" is a weird one | Jun 17 22:59 |
| CrystalMath | libera staff didn't wreck thigns | Jun 17 22:59 |
| CrystalMath | *things | Jun 17 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan did, right. | Jun 17 23:00 |
| CrystalMath | they just wanted their SJW control and cancel culture to run freenode | Jun 17 23:00 |
| CrystalMath | i say a network is better wrecked than controlled this way | Jun 17 23:00 |
| activelow | immibis: you mean not to be defamed and insulted? | Jun 17 23:01 |
| immibis | activelow: no, to not be a money laundering scheme or cash grab. What would it take to actually subsidize renewables? | Jun 17 23:02 |
| gustaf | CrystalMath: so the network had to be destroyed to save it? | Jun 17 23:02 |
| CrystalMath | gustaf: i don't know | Jun 17 23:02 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: controlling something that doesn't belong to you makes you a terrorist? | Jun 17 23:02 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: it depends on how you do it | Jun 17 23:02 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: so for example, if i write some module for my employer, i'm a terrorist? | Jun 17 23:02 |
| CrystalMath | if you do it with threats and intimidation | Jun 17 23:02 |
| CrystalMath | like the libera staff did | Jun 17 23:03 |
| CrystalMath | imagine an employee at work saying "we must use this software stack, or else i will leave after change your passwords and wrecking your system to cause you huge losses" | Jun 17 23:03 |
| XRevan86 | Очень сильные заявления, товарищ Кристальный Мат. | Jun 17 23:03 |
| CrystalMath | *changing | Jun 17 23:03 |
| gustaf | they said Freenode was under the control of someoen with bad intentions | Jun 17 23:04 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Who changed the passwords? | Jun 17 23:04 |
| gustaf | and here we are, 3 weeks later, with services deleted and usrecount halved | Jun 17 23:04 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: it's just an example | Jun 17 23:04 |
| activelow | i don't know immibis, renewables are subsidized excessively already with absolutely marginal benefit; even worse. "renewables" itself is a scam (palm oil, solar batteries, electric tesla type vehicles etc. none of this is worth subsidies at all) | Jun 17 23:04 |
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| MinceR | digital murder, the language of machines | Jun 17 23:05 |
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| immibis | gustaf: clearly the only bad intentions were in the ones doing the calling out. clearly. | Jun 17 23:05 |
| immibis | activelow: what about, for example, solar concentration plants? | Jun 17 23:05 |
| gustaf | CrystalMath: ya know, I thought all the warnings were overblown | Jun 17 23:06 |
| gustaf | "how bad can it be" | Jun 17 23:06 |
| gustaf | surely a grown-up won't wreck something he had paid a lot of money for | Jun 17 23:06 |
| gustaf | little did I know | Jun 17 23:06 |
| CrystalMath | well basically freenode was shut down, and now there's a new freenode | Jun 17 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | gustaf: Clearly it's the fault of those people that warned that this can happen. | Jun 17 23:07 |
| CrystalMath | it is painful, because that's a place i was at for 13 years | Jun 17 23:07 |
| gustaf | if only they had been silent, even more communities could have been destroyed more efficiently | Jun 17 23:07 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i don't think they saw the shutdown coming | Jun 17 23:07 |
| gustaf | no-one did | Jun 17 23:07 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: They definitely warned about that this is a wild card. | Jun 17 23:07 |
| gustaf | CrystalMath: you *can't* spin the shutdown as rational | Jun 17 23:07 |
| gustaf | it's clearly not | Jun 17 23:08 |
| CrystalMath | it can be rational based on things that i don't know | Jun 17 23:08 |
| gustaf | that's conspiracy theory thinking, but ok | Jun 17 23:08 |
| gustaf | or you can accept that Lee isn't entirely rational | Jun 17 23:08 |
| gustaf | or he's VERY impulsive | Jun 17 23:08 |
| activelow | immibis: worth it being researched, potentially dangerous. german aerospace became involved with it to fuel salt reactors. | Jun 17 23:09 |
| gustaf | anyway, what's done is done | Jun 17 23:09 |
| gustaf | it's clean slate now | Jun 17 23:09 |
| gustaf | both networks have roughly hte same number of usres | Jun 17 23:09 |
| gustaf | it's a grand expermiment | Jun 17 23:09 |
| gustaf | (and prolly off-topic for this #) | Jun 17 23:09 |
| immibis | activelow: you don't think it's production-ready? there are plants in operation | Jun 17 23:09 |
| gustaf | ok gotta hit the sack | Jun 17 23:09 |
| immibis | activelow: and maybe the government could pay to build more of them instead of coal plants | Jun 17 23:10 |
| activelow | i had not seen any recent research papers which had presented any data for solar concentration plants to fuel salt reactions. | Jun 17 23:11 |
| XRevan86 | gustaf: Not roughly, Libera is considerably bigger. | Jun 17 23:11 |
| activelow | the data i had studied about solar panels and wind turbines installed in germany indicates horrendous disaster. | Jun 17 23:12 |
| gustaf | XRevan86: ok | Jun 17 23:12 |
| XRevan86 | gustaf: If we take the right-now numbers, Libera is 1.5 the size of freenode | Jun 17 23:15 |
| CrystalMath | well it's always sad, but sometimes networks shut down | Jun 17 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | I think that in the long term freenode is going to settle on being the third largest network. | Jun 17 23:19 |
| CrystalMath | StarChat shut down and wasn't replaced by anything | Jun 17 23:19 |
| CrystalMath | though that wasn't such a great network :P | Jun 17 23:20 |
| CrystalMath | people were still sad | Jun 17 23:20 |
| CrystalMath | for StarChat | Jun 17 23:20 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: freenode didn't die a natural death | Jun 17 23:20 |
| XRevan86 | But it had a big bit of control in a third party, and that third party finally took action. | Jun 17 23:21 |
| immibis | activelow: salt reactions, what? they're big fields of mirrors that reflect sunlight onto a central tower | Jun 17 23:21 |
| immibis | salt reactions are not involved. salt can be used as a heat transfer medium though | Jun 17 23:21 |
| immibis | libera is freenode like mariadb is mysql | Jun 17 23:21 |
| immibis | and libreoffice is openoffice | Jun 17 23:21 |
| XRevan86 | and nextcloud is owncloud | Jun 17 23:22 |
| psydroid | I guess everything is fine now with libera being the main successor to the old freenode with a different name | Jun 17 23:23 |
| psydroid | and new freenode being a new network | Jun 17 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: Some of the slower people still need to figure out their place in all this. | Jun 17 23:24 |
| activelow | yes immibis, and specific salts are utilized to store energy chemically, which is an interesting field of research related to radio-chemistry too, uhum | Jun 17 23:24 |
| activelow | not my field of expertise though | Jun 17 23:24 |
| immibis | activelow: maybe. I think for now it would still be a big improvement if we could generate solar power during the day | Jun 17 23:24 |
| activelow | solar panels are not the issue alone: it is the batteries and power regulation | Jun 17 23:25 |
| immibis | I think for now it would still be a big improvement if we could generate solar power during the day | Jun 17 23:26 |
| activelow | which too requires batteries and power regulation | Jun 17 23:26 |
| activelow | currently the solar power is dumped into the grid as useless volatility | Jun 17 23:27 |
| activelow | i huge improvement would be if computation centers didn't require active cooling | Jun 17 23:28 |
| activelow | and even then the contribution to savings would remain marginal, since electricity is only ~20% of total energy requirements | Jun 17 23:31 |
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