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DaemonFC | schestowitz, ^ | Jun 26 00:01 |
XRevan86 | Silly person, there's nothing wrong with hard-connecting something to the Internet and giving Microsoft more control. | Jun 26 00:02 |
XRevan86 | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/mass-data-wipe-in-my-book-devices-prompts-warning-from-western-digital/ hm, this happened. | Jun 26 00:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | “I’m totally screwed.” WD My Book Live users wake up to find their data deleted | Ars Technica | Jun 26 00:02 | |
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*MinceR has colors as well | Jun 26 00:29 | |
techrights-news | "Smart" https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/mass-data-wipe-in-my-book-devices-prompts-warning-from-western-digital/ | Jun 26 00:43 |
techrights-news | Come to #GNU #Linux ... https://www.extremetech.com/computing/324134-i-will-never-use-a-microsoft-account-to-log-into-my-own-pc | Jun 26 00:45 |
schestowitz | MinceR: but first wash the whites, you'll get around the colours when the shirts are all used up | Jun 26 00:46 |
techrights-news | They say there is "no free lunch"... https://www.maketecheasier.com/automatically-back-up-photos-android/ | Jun 26 00:47 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 5 Apps to Automatically Back Up Your Photos in Android - Make Tech Easier | Jun 26 00:47 | |
techrights-news | Coreboot Is Ridding Its Need For Intel's FSP-T Blob http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152688#comment-30063 | Jun 26 00:50 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source cache as ram with Intel Bootguard | Tux Machines | Jun 26 00:50 | |
techrights-news | More scandals in #debian and #Gulag Summer of Work (GSoC) https://debian.community/pranav-jain-debian-debconf-rent-boy-rumors/ | Jun 26 00:55 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Pranav Jain & Debian, DebConf, unfair rent boy rumors | Jun 26 00:55 | |
techrights-news | #CentOSStream vs. #CentOS Linux: #IBM #RedHat Explains the Differences | IT Pro ⚓ https://www.itprotoday.com/linux/centos-stream-vs-centos-linux-red-hat-explains-differences ䷉ #itprotoday should recognise the real objective of IBM here; all about money! Not community/sharing. | Jun 26 00:57 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | CentOS Stream vs. CentOS Linux: Red Hat Explains the Differences | IT Pro | Jun 26 00:57 | |
techrights-news | " #Nexcom adds 8-inch and 12.1-inch products to its Panel PC family. The new Bay Trail-based units provide wider operating temperatures, AR, auto dimming and more Gbit Ethernet ports." http://linuxgizmos.com/8-and-12-1-panel-pcs-add-auto-diming-more-gbe-ports/ | Jun 26 01:00 |
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techrights-news | "Don’t forget to take the Annual Fedora Survey and claim your badge! Fedora Linux 35 System-Wide Change proposals are due Tuesday." #ibm surveys the "assets" that are unpaid volunteers. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2021-25/ | Jun 26 01:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-25 – Fedora Community Blog | Jun 26 01:01 | |
techrights-news | #GSoC 2021 #KMyMoney - Week 1 and 2 https://suraj-sloth.github.io/2021/06/25/gsoc21-week1-2.html #kde #freesw #GulagSummerOfWork | Jun 26 01:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suraj-sloth.github.io | GSoC 2021 KMyMoney - Week 1 and 2 | Jun 26 01:01 | |
techrights-news | "I am almost at the end of the third week of my Outreachy internship and the journey has been nothing but phenomenal so far! I’ve learned so many new things! Outreachy has been a journey filled with learning for me, right from the contribution period." https://veenanagar.wordpress.com/2021/06/26/everyone-struggles/ | Jun 26 01:03 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-veenanagar.wordpress.com | Everyone Struggles – Veena Nagar | Jun 26 01:03 | |
techrights-news | "Based on that and on talks with both my mentor (Alexander) and Jonas Dreßler (an experienced GNOME Shell developer who has fought with animation API designing before) I’ve come with the following UML diagram..." https://blogs.gnome.org/manugen/2021/06/25/22/ | Jun 26 01:03 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | GSoC update – designing an animation API – Manuel Genovés | Jun 26 01:03 | |
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techrights-news | Ariadne Conill: understanding thread stack sizes and how alpine is different https://ariadne.space/2021/06/25/understanding-thread-stack-sizes-and-how-alpine-is-different/ #gnu #linux #alpinelinux #freesw | Jun 26 01:09 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | understanding thread stack sizes and how alpine is different – Ariadne's Space | Jun 26 01:09 | |
techrights-news | "If you have a command that outputs a lot of data to the terminal, you might want to send that output to a file for easier (or later) viewing or sharing. Jack Wallen shows you how." https://www.techrepublic.com/videos/linux-how-to-send-command-output-to-a-file/ | Jun 26 01:09 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux: How to send command output to a file - TechRepublic | Jun 26 01:09 | |
techrights-news | After taking money from #Microsoft the #Collabora company outsourced to Microsoft #ProprietarySoftware trap/prison: "On 1 October 2020, Collabora Online moved to its new home on GitHub" https://www.collaboraoffice.com/ | Jun 26 01:11 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collaboraoffice.com | Collabora - the world's leading LibreOffice services company - online & pc | Jun 26 01:11 | |
techrights-news | #GSoC and Outreachy in #GNOME and #KDE • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152699 | Jun 26 01:12 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GSoC and Outreachy in GNOME and KDE | Tux Machines | Jun 26 01:12 | |
techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152700 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 01:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 26 01:14 | |
techrights-news | Digital transformation, changes in the database market drive #Postgres growth https://siliconangle.com/2021/06/25/digital-transformation-changes-database-market-drive-postgres-growth-postgresvision2021/ #db #psql | Jun 26 01:17 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Digital transformation, changes in the database market drive Postgres growth - SiliconANGLE | Jun 26 01:17 | |
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techrights-news | "Reg readers have a reputation as never being short of an opinion. So, it is with more than a little surprise that we must declare our latest debate, on the motion Containers will kill Virtual Machines, was a tie!" https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/25/containers_vs_vms_debate_result/ | Jun 26 01:20 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Will containers kill VMs? There are no winners in this debate • The Register | Jun 26 01:20 | |
techrights-news | Flatpak for Beginners: An Introduction to Downloading Software With #Flatpak https://www.makeuseof.com/flatpak-for-beginners/ #ibm #redhat | Jun 26 01:22 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | Flatpak for Beginners: An Introduction to Downloading Software With Flatpak | Jun 26 01:22 | |
techrights-news | The 6 non-negotiable REST architecture constraints ⚓ https://searchapparchitecture.techtarget.com/tip/The-6-non-negotiable-REST-architecture-constraints | Jun 26 01:23 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchapparchitecture.techtarget.com | The 6 non-negotiable REST architecture constraints | Jun 26 01:23 | |
techrights-news | Lots of #microsoft #googlebombing and fluff in #TheRegister this past week. Very very disappointing, but not too shocking. http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ | Jun 26 01:24 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | Techrights | Jun 26 01:24 | |
techrights-news | Fact Specific Analysis is Key when Restricting on Employee Expression https://www.aalrr.com/EdLawConnectBlog/fact-specific-analysis-is-key-when-restricting #FirstAmendment #Bremerton | Jun 26 01:25 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aalrr.com | Fact Specific Analysis is Key when Restricting on Employee Expression: Atkinson, Andelson, Loya, Ruud & Romo | Jun 26 01:25 | |
schestowitz | "Poor code quality is actually a widespread problem and quite a bit of evidence supports the claim that bad coding practices lead directly to vulnerabilities. While this isn’t new, perhaps the first time that people truly became aware of it was in 2001 when the Code Red worm exploited a buffer overflow attack on Microsoft’s Internet Information Services (IIS)" https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/embedded-revolution/article/21168142/ | Jun 26 01:26 |
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schestowitz | iar-systems-from-code-quality-to-total-security | Jun 26 01:26 |
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*activelow isn't a good programmer | Jun 26 01:29 | |
techrights-news | #ArsTechnica is spamming and #googlebombing for #microsoft ... to help Microsoft distract from ACTUAL news. As expected... http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/microsoft-attacking-linux-from-the-inside/ | Jun 26 01:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsoft’s Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | Techrights | Jun 26 01:30 | |
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techrights-news | Stay classy, #theHill ... helping to portray people who try to save the planet "zealots"... https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/457812-the-latest-victims-of-the-far-lefts-environmental-zealotry-long | Jun 26 01:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The latest victims of the far-left's environmental zealotry: Long Islanders | TheHill | Jun 26 01:32 | |
techrights-news | #RedHat , #Fedora and #CentOS Stream • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152701 #GNU #Linux | Jun 26 01:33 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat, Fedora and CentOS Stream | Tux Machines | Jun 26 01:33 | |
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techrights-news | #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152702 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 01:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 26 01:34 | |
techrights-news | #iam is a bribed mouthpiece of #corruption -ridden #epo management. Hardly surprising that it also celebrates #taxevasion by means of #patents https://www.iam-media.com/eight-years-of-the-uk-patent-box-what-has-changed | Jun 26 01:36 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Eight years of the UK Patent Box – what has changed? | IAM | Jun 26 01:36 | |
activelow | circuit design was something i *was* good at, 18 years ago, and some maths; capital damages since then some dozens of millions | Jun 26 01:37 |
techrights-news | #Patent maximalists attacking courts that aren't into the 'religion' of #patent maximalism https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2021/04/21/supreme-court-may-be-stuck-with-patent-doctrine-it-never-developed/ | Jun 26 01:38 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Supreme Court May Be Stuck With Patent Doctrine It Never Developed | National Law Journal | Jun 26 01:38 | |
schestowitz | activelow: I did some too in college | Jun 26 01:38 |
schestowitz | what did you work on? | Jun 26 01:38 |
activelow | with circuit design we were lectured early during the course of telco studies | Jun 26 01:39 |
activelow | i had the opportunity to fiddle together some trivial circuit for the Berlin clock | Jun 26 01:40 |
activelow | the lecture itself was more challenging than flashing the altera fpga later | Jun 26 01:41 |
activelow | schestowitz: with my memories from this i fiddled together some symmetric block cipher few month ago: https://github.com/agg1/scram88 | Jun 26 01:43 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - agg1/scram88: scram88 polymorphic scrambler matrix crypto stack | Jun 26 01:43 | |
schestowitz | altera? | Jun 26 01:45 |
schestowitz | are they still doing ok? | Jun 26 01:45 |
schestowitz | defunct 2015: altera | Jun 26 01:45 |
schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altera | Jun 26 01:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Altera - Wikipedia | Jun 26 01:45 | |
activelow | acquired by intel, otherwise i don't know what they're doing now | Jun 26 01:45 |
schestowitz | I used xilinx | Jun 26 01:45 |
schestowitz | xilinx is still en route to becoming amd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xilinx | Jun 26 01:46 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Xilinx - Wikipedia | Jun 26 01:46 | |
schestowitz | activelow: how did you find us online? | Jun 26 01:46 |
schestowitz | you are relatively new | Jun 26 01:46 |
activelow | schestowitz: i followed some of the drama around freenode, and your website instantly caught me attention when you opposed the gossip related to RMS and similar | Jun 26 01:47 |
schestowitz | oh, I see | Jun 26 01:48 |
schestowitz | seems like you have some valuable insights regarding machinations in germany | Jun 26 01:48 |
XRevan86 | So that drama was good for something? | Jun 26 01:48 |
schestowitz | we cover lots of corruption in germany | Jun 26 01:48 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: that drama is not even over yet | Jun 26 01:48 |
schestowitz | I have tons of unpublished notes | Jun 26 01:48 |
*schestowitz checked text fike | Jun 26 01:49 | |
schestowitz | *file | Jun 26 01:49 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Feels like there's nothing that can change freenode's fate at this point. | Jun 26 01:49 |
schestowitz | almost 3,000 lines | Jun 26 01:49 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: I agree, but we can lessen the chaos | Jun 26 01:49 |
schestowitz | remember we still use freenode | Jun 26 01:49 |
schestowitz | in case there's some server maintenance or whatnot | Jun 26 01:49 |
XRevan86 | Those that are left don't care about absolutely anything. They will only leave when they actually notice the already existing information. | Jun 26 01:49 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's… not a good back-up %) | Jun 26 01:50 |
schestowitz | it is a temporary one | Jun 26 01:50 |
schestowitz | for line, one hour... | Jun 26 01:50 |
schestowitz | *like | Jun 26 01:50 |
schestowitz | either way, better than spreading to another network | Jun 26 01:51 |
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schestowitz | (which is not ours) | Jun 26 01:51 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: O.K., there's no real reason to look for a replacement right now. | Jun 26 01:51 |
schestowitz | right | Jun 26 01:51 |
schestowitz | BTW | Jun 26 01:51 |
schestowitz | that LC channel? | Jun 26 01:51 |
XRevan86 | when freenode actually dies for good, I'll bring this up | Jun 26 01:51 |
schestowitz | only two lines of activity yesterday | Jun 26 01:51 |
schestowitz | all day | Jun 26 01:51 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Good I guess. | Jun 26 01:51 |
schestowitz | and 2 lines of no substance/relevance | Jun 26 01:51 |
schestowitz | freenode will be repurposed, not die | Jun 26 01:52 |
XRevan86 | it's in purgatory right now | Jun 26 01:52 |
schestowitz | it's already dead as per its original purpose and status | Jun 26 01:52 |
XRevan86 | (I mean the channel, but freenode too) | Jun 26 01:52 |
schestowitz | I will start writing about freenode this week | Jun 26 01:52 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, it has been repurposed. | Jun 26 01:52 |
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schestowitz | but in a more constructive fashion | Jun 26 01:52 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: glad we agree | Jun 26 01:52 |
schestowitz | and for a different purpose, not "FOSS" | Jun 26 01:53 |
XRevan86 | I did mention that for sure :) | Jun 26 01:53 |
schestowitz | "1 score and a little over 2 years ago, IRC was created by the great and honorable Jarkko Oikarinen. It's had its ups and downs, from the era of net splits to the era of cancel culture. However, we're proud to announce that we've completely obliterated the swamp removing the shackles on progress, and now we're sailing blue seas. YaRR!" | Jun 26 01:53 |
schestowitz | https://freenode.net/ | Jun 26 01:53 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode | Jun 26 01:53 | |
schestowitz | "It's had its ups and downs, from the era of net splits to the era of cancel culture" | Jun 26 01:53 |
schestowitz | That was never an issue for freenode | Jun 26 01:53 |
XRevan86 | when I linked to the freenode policy change for one thing | Jun 26 01:53 |
schestowitz | until last month | Jun 26 01:53 |
XRevan86 | rasegan thinks in stamps, clichés | Jun 26 01:54 |
schestowitz | I might even do an annotated version of the train wreck interview | Jun 26 01:54 |
schestowitz | but that would take time and effort | Jun 26 01:54 |
schestowitz | which I have overnight, I should be good until midday tomorrow | Jun 26 01:54 |
schestowitz | has someone already done such a rebuttal? | Jun 26 01:55 |
schestowitz | I mean, people did transcribe it | Jun 26 01:55 |
schestowitz | but... rebuttal? | Jun 26 01:55 |
XRevan86 | rasengan is playing victim, and it's such a "cancel culture" thing to do it's ludicrous. | Jun 26 01:55 |
schestowitz | at one point we might also want to remark on the LC situation and our 'fake' or 'unauthorised' channel | Jun 26 01:56 |
schestowitz | that card worked, XRevan86 | Jun 26 01:56 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: I don't think it is worth bringing up. | Jun 26 01:56 |
schestowitz | until a month ago | Jun 26 01:56 |
schestowitz | it started to get crumpled with those 700 channels | Jun 26 01:56 |
schestowitz | that got 'canceled' for wanting to move | Jun 26 01:56 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: rianne_ asked me to at least mentioned that channel, but I said... merely mentioning it would raise awareness and maybe bring enemies of ours to it | Jun 26 01:57 |
schestowitz | so if it's mentioned, it can be in vague terms | Jun 26 01:57 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: That channel is a dead place for a reason. | Jun 26 01:57 |
schestowitz | but first, I will write a rebuttal to the "Africa as a country" interview | Jun 26 01:57 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: yeah... | Jun 26 01:58 |
XRevan86 | and saying that Libera did something wrong is just not correct | Jun 26 01:58 |
XRevan86 | that channel exists in its current state not from their actions | Jun 26 01:58 |
schestowitz | Lee tried to get me to help | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | about 5 times over the past month | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | but I pushed back | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | e.g.: | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | [23:37] <rasengan> hope you've been well - https://bbs.freenode.net/ is setup if you would like to promote techrights articles. you just go to #freenode-bbs and use the bot (type 'help' in there). #freenode-bbs-discussion is where posts will go when they make it to the website (and where people can chat)! | Jun 26 01:59 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bbs.freenode.net | freenode BBS | Jun 26 01:59 | |
schestowitz | [23:38] <schestowitz> wow, bbs! | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | [23:40] <rasengan> xD | Jun 26 01:59 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yea, he clearly thought ye're an ally. | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | I may participate when the dust settles entirely, seeing that anything perceived as support of freenode can now get you threats of deplatforming | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | [23:42] <rasengan> ah... good point and makes sense. | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | [23:53] <schestowitz> It's a sad thing that society has come to this, but we need to combat this trend diplomatically | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | [23:55] <rasengan> i agree | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | [23:56] <rasengan> its pretty sad tbh lol | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | [23:56] <rasengan> we're regressing as a society | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | [23:56] <rasengan> some kinda lord of the flies thing going on here lol | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | [23:59] <schestowitz> techrights wrote about those issues ages ago | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | [00:00] <schestowitz> right now it seems like the only 'dirt' they have on us is manufactured | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | [00:01] <rasengan> I agree | Jun 26 01:59 |
XRevan86 | and even before showing up here he used techrights.org links | Jun 26 01:59 |
schestowitz | later on phanes tried to contact me several times | Jun 26 01:59 |
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XRevan86 | schestowitz: I remember, yes. | Jun 26 02:00 |
schestowitz | I >could< be an ally | Jun 26 02:00 |
schestowitz | but that all changed the moment they took over channels | Jun 26 02:00 |
schestowitz | which sort of proved the point about them being "hostile" | Jun 26 02:00 |
schestowitz | Remember that when I first covered the freenode scandals I was not supportive of them | Jun 26 02:01 |
XRevan86 | I don't like how these conspirology-oriented people keep finding techrights | Jun 26 02:01 |
schestowitz | but I said, let's not rock the boat... many projects just want calm | Jun 26 02:01 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: "people" | Jun 26 02:01 |
schestowitz | who else? | Jun 26 02:01 |
schestowitz | there are "conspirology-oriented people" everywhere in the world | Jun 26 02:02 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Oh, just some passing through Bill Gates chipisation idea supporters | Jun 26 02:02 |
schestowitz | we don't attract them actually | Jun 26 02:02 |
XRevan86 | clinged to Bill Gates criticism | Jun 26 02:02 |
schestowitz | quite the opposite | Jun 26 02:02 |
XRevan86 | then there was zlaxy | Jun 26 02:02 |
schestowitz | that Gates tried to portray his critics as nuts for 2 years if well documented | Jun 26 02:02 |
schestowitz | and that helped him delay his demise | Jun 26 02:02 |
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XRevan86 | that man is very hard to get rid off | Jun 26 02:03 |
schestowitz | it'll take time | Jun 26 02:03 |
schestowitz | Warren B. is the latest to run away from him | Jun 26 02:03 |
schestowitz | Gates Foundation is floundering now | Jun 26 02:03 |
XRevan86 | I wonder if he's still harassing the Fediverse | Jun 26 02:03 |
schestowitz | they might have to rename it to salvage it | Jun 26 02:03 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: I meant zlaxy :) | Jun 26 02:03 |
schestowitz | zlaxy, IIRC, was in disapora | Jun 26 02:03 |
schestowitz | accusing people of being NSA assets? | Jun 26 02:03 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: And Pleroma and more, yes | Jun 26 02:03 |
schestowitz | He also harassed anonymiss | Jun 26 02:04 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, that's the guy. | Jun 26 02:04 |
schestowitz | I just learned to ignore him | Jun 26 02:04 |
schestowitz | the more you talk back, the more abuse you'll get | Jun 26 02:04 |
XRevan86 | I had the misfortune of being more closely connected with him via XMPP | Jun 26 02:04 |
schestowitz | because he thrives in not being ignored | Jun 26 02:04 |
schestowitz | I didn't "attract" him | Jun 26 02:05 |
schestowitz | he seems to be pooing over everywhere... wanting a reaction | Jun 26 02:05 |
XRevan86 | I hope I wasn't the one who got his attention to techrights | Jun 26 02:05 |
XRevan86 | he definitely learnt of the Fediverse from me | Jun 26 02:05 |
schestowitz | I doubt it | Jun 26 02:05 |
schestowitz | I noticed him over a year ago in disapora | Jun 26 02:05 |
schestowitz | talking nonsense about me | Jun 26 02:06 |
schestowitz | by connecting me to anonymiss | Jun 26 02:06 |
activelow | the fun part about busting some of the symmetric crypto nonsense was i didn't at least intend to do so | Jun 26 02:06 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: I've known him since 2015-2016 | Jun 26 02:06 |
activelow | only intended to practice little programming, and see if something efficient could be had for low power embedded | Jun 26 02:07 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: A bit shameful to admit that. | Jun 26 02:08 |
schestowitz | crypto hackers get lots of government abuse | Jun 26 02:08 |
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schestowitz | in general | Jun 26 02:08 |
schestowitz | over a decade ago you could find account of it | Jun 26 02:08 |
schestowitz | they would stock, harass and threaten people who work on crypto | Jun 26 02:08 |
schestowitz | worrying they might 'export' ciphers that actually work | Jun 26 02:08 |
schestowitz | apparently those crypto wars go decades back | Jun 26 02:08 |
schestowitz | and include pgp | Jun 26 02:09 |
activelow | my grieve was the inefficiency only, if industry hadn't clusterfucked this i hadn't payed attention at least | Jun 26 02:09 |
schestowitz | There's recognition that if 'the people' get good crypto going, they can gain leverage over governments and corporations, as Wikileaks did for a few years | Jun 26 02:09 |
XRevan86 | His worst quality is that he doesn't take "no" for an answer. If he's rejected, he will push even more. | Jun 26 02:09 |
schestowitz | yes | Jun 26 02:09 |
schestowitz | you cannot convince him | Jun 26 02:10 |
schestowitz | he'll become more aggressive | Jun 26 02:10 |
schestowitz | I tried | Jun 26 02:10 |
XRevan86 | And then fantasise a narrative that justifies that with the Fifth Column or something. | Jun 26 02:10 |
schestowitz | the one problem doing a rebuttal to this "interview" is the language it involves | Jun 26 02:10 |
schestowitz | "L: This l0de radio. The nation’s number one negro" | Jun 26 02:10 |
schestowitz | I mean, is it OK to quote that? | Jun 26 02:10 |
XRevan86 | What does that even mean? | Jun 26 02:11 |
schestowitz | he's not black | Jun 26 02:11 |
schestowitz | maybe a form of trolling | Jun 26 02:11 |
XRevan86 | nor number one | Jun 26 02:11 |
schestowitz | calling oneself an offensive term | Jun 26 02:11 |
schestowitz | either way, I suppose that shows what company Lee keeps around... | Jun 26 02:11 |
XRevan86 | "negro" is technically not offensive, but it's weirdly iffy | Jun 26 02:11 |
schestowitz | I do want to rebut or remark on some of that BS | Jun 26 02:11 |
schestowitz | negro just literally means black | Jun 26 02:12 |
schestowitz | negros, nigeria... | Jun 26 02:12 |
XRevan86 | I think it's okay to quote when not supporting his narrative. | Jun 26 02:12 |
schestowitz | there are wines and products called "negro" | Jun 26 02:12 |
XRevan86 | Jes, ĝi estas korekte | Jun 26 02:12 |
schestowitz | OK, I'll crack on with it | Jun 26 02:12 |
kingoffrance | well, ""1 score and a little over 2 years ago," a score is 20 years, not 30. irc was circa 1988 apparently, not 98 | Jun 26 02:13 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: The Latin word for black is "niger" with the obvious pronunciation. | Jun 26 02:15 |
schestowitz | it became an insult because of how it was used | Jun 26 02:15 |
schestowitz | and who by | Jun 26 02:15 |
schestowitz | some "negros" took control of the word later | Jun 26 02:15 |
schestowitz | in "gangsa culture" | Jun 26 02:16 |
XRevan86 | And then there's Montenegro | Jun 26 02:16 |
schestowitz | but in the US I believe it was a derogatory collective term for slaves | Jun 26 02:16 |
schestowitz | maybe one day it won't be an insult... decades from now | Jun 26 02:16 |
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schestowitz | hi AdmFubar | Jun 26 02:16 |
XRevan86 | which is an Italian name for a Slavic country | Jun 26 02:16 |
AdmFubar | https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint/new-cpu-baseline-for-windows-11-will-ensure-better-security-microsoft-says/d/d-id/1341412 | Jun 26 02:16 |
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AdmFubar | hi roy | Jun 26 02:17 |
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schestowitz | Vista 11 vapourware | Jun 26 02:17 |
schestowitz | everywhere one looks | Jun 26 02:17 |
schestowitz | it's deliberate | Jun 26 02:17 |
schestowitz | Microsoft spews that everywhere | Jun 26 02:17 |
schestowitz | lots to distract from this week | Jun 26 02:17 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Such terms get reclaimed all the time, yes. | Jun 26 02:17 |
schestowitz | so they googlebomb everything with it | Jun 26 02:17 |
AdmFubar | time to force that upgrading in the name of security! think of the children! | Jun 26 02:17 |
XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Hr-crn.ogg Serbo-Croatian is on another level | Jun 26 02:19 |
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activelow | i don't understand the recent vista drama, systems are loaded with nonsense for decades already, no idea how this could be "improved" upon any further | Jun 26 02:21 |
kingoffrance | can someone explain better? re: https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-June/236219.html i think it is poorly worded, but the later https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-June/236212.html clarifies his position (no idea if that is a correct position though). FWIU, he seems to say: if you have some code that is say "gpl 3 or later" you can "fork" it as "gpl 4". this would be a fork from what i see -- in the sense of doesnt magically let you | Jun 26 02:21 |
kingoffrance | change other people's terms for other code. this is irrespective of "copyright holder" from what i see, and i beileve he is saying such a "gpl 3 or later" license allows you to do this. you just can't force anyone to go along with it, etc. ; i believe he is saying irrespective of "copyright holder" a license may let you relicense your fork -- you cannot force anyone to go along with you though | Jun 26 02:21 |
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XRevan86 | The same word in Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusian is pronounced like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Ru-%D1%87%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9.ogg | Jun 26 02:21 |
XRevan86 | two syllables? how lame | Jun 26 02:21 |
AdmFubar | it is just marketing nonsense activelow | Jun 26 02:22 |
activelow | AdmFubar: it is not | Jun 26 02:23 |
kingoffrance | maybe it comes down to "gpl 3 or later" for example, are you required to give everyone else the same option, or can you fork into "gpl 4 only" (make believe example) ? | Jun 26 02:23 |
kingoffrance | someone who knows better i hope can clarify, i dont want to misquote him | Jun 26 02:24 |
XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Yes, ye can make a derivative that's GPLv4 only | Jun 26 02:24 |
XRevan86 | but the original code will still be available as GPLv3+ | Jun 26 02:24 |
kingoffrance | ok, i think that is what he means (poorly phrased) " You do not have to keep all the previous licenses because the intention of the gpl is to give back to users those rights which copyright would otherwise withold." | Jun 26 02:24 |
XRevan86 | so if your GPLv4 code is removed, it can be taken as GPLv3 | Jun 26 02:25 |
kingoffrance | yes, that was my thought of how it worked | Jun 26 02:25 |
kingoffrance | yup | Jun 26 02:25 |
XRevan86 | it's practical dual-licensing | Jun 26 02:25 |
kingoffrance | yep, makes sense | Jun 26 02:25 |
XRevan86 | There's GPLv2+ code still around in plenty | Jun 26 02:26 |
XRevan86 | no real need for hypothesising about GPLv4 | Jun 26 02:26 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: It is curious if freenode still has any donated servers at all. | Jun 26 02:29 |
XRevan86 | but oh well, it can probably live off rasengan's pocket indefinitely | Jun 26 02:29 |
XRevan86 | it's not Matrix to eat all the resources and ask for more :) | Jun 26 02:30 |
XRevan86 | the first to go will be the newly hosted GitLab instance anyway | Jun 26 02:31 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: It was possibly not the best suggestion actually :D | Jun 26 02:32 |
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schestowitz | " | Jun 26 02:41 |
schestowitz | L: Alright so, Andrew, you have a, uh, sort of a checkered past, from what I’ve heard. And, uh, word on the street is that you are a fan of drug legalization. Is this true or can you not comment, or whatever? | Jun 26 02:41 |
schestowitz | R: You know I’m not really like, uh, fan of, uh, you know, I’m not trying to like push something on other people but, you know, people have a choice what they want to put in their body as long as they’re not harming anyone else. | Jun 26 02:42 |
schestowitz | L: Alright, I’m with it, I’m with it. Alright, um, but yeah, there have been some pretty legendary court filings, where I believe you were accused of snuffling up a fucking mountain of cocaine and, uh, running a brothel, and other- other pimp type activities. Do you wanna comment on that at all, or were those just unfounded allegations? | Jun 26 02:42 |
schestowitz | R: Cartel, brother. | Jun 26 02:42 |
schestowitz | L: The cartel? So you were running a cartel essentially? | Jun 26 02:42 |
schestowitz | R: Shit. | Jun 26 02:42 |
schestowitz | L: That’s pretty fucking wild right there. Not a lot of people will just straight up admit to running a cartel on the radio. You’re a brave man Andrew Lee. Alright… | Jun 26 02:42 |
schestowitz | R: Very brave. | Jun 26 02:42 |
schestowitz | " | Jun 26 02:42 |
schestowitz | f. | Jun 26 02:42 |
schestowitz | CrystalMath: that's the part you told me about | Jun 26 02:42 |
CrystalMath | it was a little weird, yes | Jun 26 02:42 |
schestowitz | R is Andrew Lee | Jun 26 02:42 |
CrystalMath | but i'm guessing Andrew Lee was joking about all the things he was accused of | Jun 26 02:42 |
schestowitz | maybe. | Jun 26 02:42 |
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schestowitz | I am writing a response to all that | Jun 26 02:43 |
AdmFubar | https://threatpost.com/my-book-live-wiped-rce-attacks/167270/ | Jun 26 02:43 |
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XRevan86 | It's a non-answer | Jun 26 02:43 |
schestowitz | esp. criticising the attacks on christel and others | Jun 26 02:43 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: if it is categorically false, there's a way to respond to it | Jun 26 02:43 |
schestowitz | if it is PARTLY, any response can only do harm | Jun 26 02:43 |
XRevan86 | Not a good tactic as people can still use that against one. | Jun 26 02:44 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: I think he's not used to being a public speaker even to the Putin's level. | Jun 26 02:44 |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: l0de's question was like: "you were accused of ..." and Andrew Lee responded with "cartel, brother", referring to the *accusation*, not its truthfulness | Jun 26 02:44 |
XRevan86 | Putin's non-answers are better. | Jun 26 02:44 |
XRevan86 | Putin would have said: what ye're referring to, what ye just said, I heard many such accusations, I can see there's some honest desire to find the truth in people behind those accusations, but also some twisting the truth as well. Some of those allegations were already proven false and that's my response to that whole debacle. | Jun 26 02:47 |
XRevan86 | A good non-answer is one that cannot be fully taken as an actual answer but still hard to fully prove as not having an answer in it, at least not in time. No interviewer is going to try to prove a non-answer to be a non-answer for hours on end. | Jun 26 02:49 |
XRevan86 | if they still try give another non-answer, they'll give up after that | Jun 26 02:49 |
activelow | it is very irritating for me, having joined freenode to enlighten the people about my views of quantum physics and Einsteins misconceptions, talk about maths and science | Jun 26 02:51 |
activelow | then being offended as crackpot, crazy, etc. banned and silenced | Jun 26 02:51 |
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phobos/fn | Welcome to the world of liberalism | Jun 26 02:51 |
phobos/fn | ::/ | Jun 26 02:51 |
activelow | in parallel to some prince conducting business with bitcoin and coke | Jun 26 02:51 |
XRevan86 | activelow: freenode was never a place with a strong physics presence, so I don't know with whom ye were trying to discuss all that. | Jun 26 02:52 |
activelow | wrong XRevan86, i do remember at least two participants who are involved with physics | Jun 26 02:53 |
XRevan86 | oh, two, okay | Jun 26 02:53 |
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XRevan86 | Maybe some quantum computing or cryptography folk are the crowd. | Jun 26 02:55 |
XRevan86 | although not sure if they're interested in a history lesson | Jun 26 02:56 |
activelow | in #crypto former freenode was occupied with shitcoins mostly, which is boring to discuss brute forcing some hashes | Jun 26 02:56 |
XRevan86 | they took over that word | Jun 26 02:56 |
activelow | i wanted to talk about 128bit general purpose registers in modern CPUs | Jun 26 02:56 |
activelow | so, if libera.chat is the old freenode i see little benefit in registering there again | Jun 26 02:57 |
XRevan86 | activelow: It is. The new freenode has way less substance though. | Jun 26 02:57 |
XRevan86 | so it's not really a comparison | Jun 26 02:58 |
XRevan86 | > Cryptography theory and practice, not cryptocurrency | Jun 26 02:58 |
XRevan86 | #crypto at Libera has this in the title. | Jun 26 02:58 |
activelow | you see, my symmetric cipher, my hash design and rng are crap | Jun 26 02:59 |
XRevan86 | while #crypto at freenode appears to be cryptocurrency | Jun 26 03:00 |
XRevan86 | maybe it wasn't before, but it is now | Jun 26 03:00 |
activelow | leave alone some project coordination, at best some sneak on the ideas of others and capitalise upon with little to no ethical doubts | Jun 26 03:00 |
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XRevan86 | activelow: What's your RNG? | Jun 26 03:01 |
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XRevan86 | I thought the topic of RNG is pretty much figured out at this point. | Jun 26 03:02 |
activelow | the RNG was the entry point to benchmark achievable maximum I/O throughput with the design i proposed | Jun 26 03:02 |
XRevan86 | AdmFubar: I saw the commit and… how did this person figure out how to use git? | Jun 26 03:03 |
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AdmFubar | don't ask me... ask him.. :P | Jun 26 03:06 |
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activelow | the design is some trivial linear-feedback-shift-register (LFSR), which 1) must be implemented correctly be it either a stream cipher or block cipher mode and 2) a software implementation can hugely benefit from some alteration to their design rationale, a feedback loop which alters the internal circuitry of the LFSR depending on the initial state of (password) and what the keystream is applied to | Jun 26 03:07 |
activelow | (feedback of ciphertext into the LFSR to alter it's internal generator polynome) | Jun 26 03:07 |
schestowitz | He said, "I’m probably like the king of overdrafts." | Jun 26 03:07 |
schestowitz | ha | Jun 26 03:07 |
techrights-news | #Huawei dev scolded for pointless #Linux #kernel code contributions https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/26/linux_kernel_contributor_from_huawei/ | Jun 26 03:07 |
schestowitz | AdmFubar: free marketing for AMazon/Bezos | Jun 26 03:08 |
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AdmFubar | not free marketing.. free work.... | Jun 26 03:08 |
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XRevan86 | https://netsplit.de/channels/?chat=crypto how the heck does netsplit sorts the channels | Jun 26 03:08 |
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XRevan86 | the biggest room is at the end of the second page | Jun 26 03:08 |
activelow | and then i applied this design rationale to the hash and the cipher, and 3) re-implemented ECB mode of operation, let's say as secure ECB (sECB) to hash the block keys correctly | Jun 26 03:09 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: do you want to proofread me when done? | Jun 26 03:09 |
schestowitz | will be several more minutes | Jun 26 03:09 |
XRevan86 | okay | Jun 26 03:09 |
schestowitz | thanks | Jun 26 03:10 |
activelow | this has huge benefits, it's cryptographically secure because a "known plaintext attack" results in a "non-primitive recursion" which other symmetric ciphers potentially do not | Jun 26 03:11 |
activelow | meaning with a known-plaintext attack it is NOT possible to quickly compute the block keys | Jun 26 03:11 |
XRevan86 | activelow: This means nothing to me, sorry. | Jun 26 03:11 |
activelow | the hash by design is 512bit, not feasible to brute force | Jun 26 03:11 |
activelow | and best of it: it is extremely fast | Jun 26 03:11 |
activelow | typical ciphers process dozens of rounds re-applying their voodoo, my design processes one round only and is done with it | Jun 26 03:12 |
XRevan86 | activelow: If #crypto on Libera (formerly ##crypto on freenode) didn't like it, I have no place to advise. | Jun 26 03:12 |
activelow | this design too busts some bitcoin myths | Jun 26 03:13 |
activelow | maybe then check what #math had to say? not that i practiced alot of math in the last years. | Jun 26 03:17 |
XRevan86 | ##math on Libera, still two hashes. | Jun 26 03:19 |
XRevan86 | I can see that ##math on freenode is dead even without joining. | Jun 26 03:20 |
activelow | #econometrics and #economics | Jun 26 03:21 |
schestowitz | OK, finalising.. | Jun 26 03:21 |
activelow | i was op on ##econometrics | Jun 26 03:21 |
activelow | personally granted by moriarty | Jun 26 03:21 |
schestowitz | what is l0de's real name? | Jun 26 03:22 |
schestowitz | I don't want to use nicknames | Jun 26 03:22 |
schestowitz | I get the impression he sniffs coke, but he does not say that | Jun 26 03:23 |
schestowitz | This guy is nuts. https://twitter.com/l0de?lang=en | Jun 26 03:25 |
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schestowitz | Lode Ray Dio? | Jun 26 03:26 |
schestowitz | http://horatiobrunswick.com.overviewstats.com/ | Jun 26 03:27 |
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schestowitz | yes, Lode Ray Dio | Jun 26 03:27 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: FAQ called him that | Jun 26 03:28 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: But judging by how troll-y he is, I am not confident. | Jun 26 03:29 |
activelow | #physics was somehow sad too, since i am totally convinced i had cracked the nut what was wrong with some concepts | Jun 26 03:36 |
activelow | with some cooperation there a mind-blowing paper could have been published | Jun 26 03:37 |
schestowitz | ok, ready.. | Jun 26 03:37 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/andrew-lee-l0de-interview/ | Jun 26 03:39 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Annotated Transcript of Andrew Lee (Freenode) Interview With Lode Ray Dio | Techrights | Jun 26 03:39 | |
schestowitz | feel free to add things | Jun 26 03:39 |
schestowitz | like parts of importance that I may have overlooked | Jun 26 03:39 |
schestowitz | and which stood out | Jun 26 03:39 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ye mention "nation’s number one negro" twice. | Jun 26 03:41 |
schestowitz | yes | Jun 26 03:41 |
schestowitz | in quotes | Jun 26 03:41 |
XRevan86 | I think repetition reduces the impact. | Jun 26 03:42 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ye could mention that he's a GNAA | Jun 26 03:42 |
schestowitz | I'vre checked again | Jun 26 03:42 |
schestowitz | I am OK with it | Jun 26 03:42 |
schestowitz | I don't want to name GNAA | Jun 26 03:42 |
schestowitz | because most people don't know GNAA | Jun 26 03:42 |
schestowitz | and don't know what it is | Jun 26 03:42 |
schestowitz | and I'd rather they did not check | Jun 26 03:43 |
XRevan86 | or call him a professional troll as the second instance | Jun 26 03:43 |
schestowitz | would rather not namecall | Jun 26 03:44 |
schestowitz | they do it to themselves | Jun 26 03:44 |
XRevan86 | to you it's a bug, to him it's a feature | Jun 26 03:44 |
schestowitz | wait | Jun 26 03:44 |
schestowitz | I will add that to summary | Jun 26 03:44 |
schestowitz | "of GNAA infamy" | Jun 26 03:44 |
XRevan86 | debt is also a "to you it's a bug, to him it's a feature" thing | Jun 26 03:46 |
schestowitz | not direct quote? | Jun 26 03:46 |
schestowitz | I cannot find such a thing in the text | Jun 26 03:46 |
XRevan86 | no, I said it prior | Jun 26 03:46 |
XRevan86 | about the professional troll thing | Jun 26 03:47 |
XRevan86 | and now I apply it to the debt thing | Jun 26 03:47 |
schestowitz | I see.. | Jun 26 03:47 |
XRevan86 | I just remembered that rasengan said (I think to you) that debt improves the credit score | Jun 26 03:47 |
activelow | asked once in #philosophy if free culture and arts crossed the line: https://external-preview.redd.it/5nt11PLmfMMvTv5xmhgVHI6WWdFVHIHAZqZ8CJyv880.jpg | Jun 26 03:48 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://external-preview.redd.it/5nt11PLmfMMvTv5xmhgVHI6WWdFVHIHAZqZ8CJyv880.jpg ) | Jun 26 03:48 | |
XRevan86 | > That’s rather vague, but one can imagine which organisations are alluded to. | Jun 26 03:49 |
XRevan86 | I don't actually know, although it is either Debian or InspIRCd | Jun 26 03:49 |
schestowitz | [03:47] <XRevan86> I just remembered that rasengan said (I think to you) that debt improves the credit score | Jun 26 03:50 |
schestowitz | I heard that too | Jun 26 03:50 |
schestowitz | it's BS | Jun 26 03:50 |
schestowitz | maybe lender's BS | Jun 26 03:50 |
XRevan86 | > Alright, so, your big deal here was essentially these freenode fucking pretenders were coming through and acting like they were in charge of, like, these entire organizations, uh, these big projects that, like, some of these open source projects | Jun 26 03:50 |
schestowitz | he told me things about debt | Jun 26 03:50 |
schestowitz | but private convos | Jun 26 03:50 |
XRevan86 | Is he talking about the staff or about the channel ops of all those projects that moved to Libera? | Jun 26 03:50 |
schestowitz | not clear | Jun 26 03:51 |
XRevan86 | It's ridiculous either way. | Jun 26 03:51 |
schestowitz | yes | Jun 26 03:51 |
XRevan86 | that they are in fact in charge is backed up the official website of said projects | Jun 26 03:52 |
XRevan86 | * backed by | Jun 26 03:52 |
schestowitz | they call it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard | Jun 26 03:52 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hoist with his own petard - Wikipedia | Jun 26 03:52 | |
XRevan86 | That rasengan thinks that the ops are no one and have no authority is something that reality has proven wrong. | Jun 26 03:53 |
activelow | to summarize #philosophy: yes it does according to them (now LC) | Jun 26 03:55 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: thanks for checking | Jun 26 03:58 |
*XRevan86 hasn't finished. | Jun 26 03:58 | |
schestowitz | I just want to make sure people understand who controls Freenode now | Jun 26 03:58 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: will wait | Jun 26 03:58 |
XRevan86 | I do think that meant the "Big FOSS" channel ops and not the literal staff, or an intersection of them. | Jun 26 03:59 |
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schestowitz | that term is misleading | Jun 26 04:00 |
schestowitz | in fact, I never heard it before | Jun 26 04:00 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: It is indeed. It just means the projects that left freenode :) | Jun 26 04:00 |
schestowitz | I interpret that as people moaning about "liberal| big tech | Jun 26 04:01 |
schestowitz | which is itself as a lie | Jun 26 04:01 |
schestowitz | those companies are not "liberal" | Jun 26 04:01 |
schestowitz | and then projecting that onto free software projects | Jun 26 04:01 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Debian is probably a big part of that. | Jun 26 04:02 |
schestowitz | apropos: http://techrights.org/2020/06/13/bill-gates-not-a-liberal/ | Jun 26 04:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Quit Calling Bill Gates a Liberal | Techrights | Jun 26 04:02 | |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ | Jun 26 04:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights | Jun 26 04:02 | |
schestowitz | SOme 'liberals'.... | Jun 26 04:02 |
XRevan86 | I like how initially rasengan was saying that he thinks no ill of Libera, and now he says that trash. | Jun 26 04:03 |
schestowitz | I can come up with theories | Jun 26 04:04 |
schestowitz | one about emotion | Jun 26 04:04 |
schestowitz | another about substance | Jun 26 04:04 |
schestowitz | not in the "substance of argument" sense | Jun 26 04:04 |
XRevan86 | one is that on radio he's high and here he was doing "public relations"? | Jun 26 04:04 |
schestowitz | a lot of the ramblings makes no sense at all | Jun 26 04:04 |
schestowitz | apparently it's a show that gives a platform to drug addicts and worse | Jun 26 04:05 |
schestowitz | no idea if he spoke to colleagues before going on that 'show | Jun 26 04:05 |
schestowitz | or whether he even knew what the show was about | Jun 26 04:05 |
schestowitz | many such people like to mislead people into coming "on the show" | Jun 26 04:05 |
schestowitz | by falsely portraying themselves | Jun 26 04:06 |
schestowitz | and this way they gain credibility for themselves | Jun 26 04:06 |
schestowitz | at somebody else's expense | Jun 26 04:06 |
schestowitz | they get audience, too | Jun 26 04:06 |
XRevan86 | The "social organizational debt" bit deserves more attention. | Jun 26 04:07 |
XRevan86 | > not some phones with nagging notifications | Jun 26 04:08 |
XRevan86 | One thing is if that at least worked. | Jun 26 04:08 |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: btw there's a misattribution | Jun 26 04:08 |
CrystalMath | in the transcript | Jun 26 04:08 |
techrights-news | #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, June 25, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Jun 26 04:08 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Jun 26 04:08 | |
CrystalMath | when libera was mentioned, "what the f*** is what s***" was not said by R but by P | Jun 26 04:09 |
schestowitz | I saw that part | Jun 26 04:09 |
schestowitz | ah, will correct | Jun 26 04:09 |
CrystalMath | s/what/that/ | Jun 26 04:09 |
schestowitz | corrected | Jun 26 04:09 |
CrystalMath | P was presumably not told about the new network at all | Jun 26 04:09 |
XRevan86 | I also like how l0de intentionally uses wording like "Freenode is getting wiped out" many times, and rasengan gladly agrees. | Jun 26 04:10 |
techrights-news | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Jun 26 04:10 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Jun 26 04:10 | |
schestowitz | this interview was never supposed to even happen | Jun 26 04:11 |
schestowitz | but I assume it brought out some inner thoughts | Jun 26 04:11 |
schestowitz | the important parts are Lee's words | Jun 26 04:11 |
XRevan86 | Indeed so | Jun 26 04:11 |
techrights-news | Annotated Transcript of #AndrewLee ( #Freenode ) Interview With Lode Ray Dio http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/andrew-lee-l0de-interview/ #irc needs to be understood. Its owners too. This is Lee in his own words. Those words have alienated so many. | Jun 26 04:11 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Annotated Transcript of Andrew Lee (Freenode) Interview With Lode Ray Dio | Techrights | Jun 26 04:11 | |
XRevan86 | The only reason to even pay attention to l0de's words is because rasengan didn't mind anything he said. | Jun 26 04:12 |
schestowitz | next article: Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat | Jun 26 04:13 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: numbed I guess | Jun 26 04:13 |
schestowitz | either way, that needed to be put somewhere | Jun 26 04:13 |
schestowitz | that interview | Jun 26 04:13 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Numbed to the extreme. | Jun 26 04:13 |
schestowitz | so I can refer back to it in the future | Jun 26 04:14 |
XRevan86 | l0de was pushing the limits, and then some | Jun 26 04:14 |
schestowitz | If you speak to an a-hole (l0de), you too might seem like one | Jun 26 04:14 |
XRevan86 | "Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat" – maybe it's better to advertise the self-hosting server rather than antagonise Libera? | Jun 26 04:14 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: "seem" | Jun 26 04:15 |
*job (~job@g69p5j2d8epkc.irc) has joined #techrights | Jun 26 04:15 | |
*job (~job@user/job) has joined #techrights | Jun 26 04:16 | |
XRevan86 | Like "we have brought up our own independent IRC server for true self-reliance, while maintaining a bridge to our old home on freenode for compatibility and emergencies" | Jun 26 04:16 |
XRevan86 | And then "the channels on Libera have not been claimed by us, and as such we are not affiliated with them" | Jun 26 04:17 |
XRevan86 | it's not their problem and it's not really a problem, so there's no reason to make a disapproving point | Jun 26 04:18 |
schestowitz | it'll mention the real channel | Jun 26 04:18 |
schestowitz | I will mention what you said | Jun 26 04:19 |
schestowitz | still typing it up | Jun 26 04:19 |
schestowitz | "Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat, Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network" is better? | Jun 26 04:19 |
XRevan86 | But ye can mention that those who have switched their IRC clients from freenode to Libera may accidentally join the unclaimed channels and so need to correct that | Jun 26 04:20 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Absolutely. | Jun 26 04:20 |
XRevan86 | but don't use the words like "impersonation", they're unfair | Jun 26 04:21 |
activelow | activelow on libera is registered already, it isn't me | Jun 26 04:21 |
XRevan86 | activelow: I meant channels. | Jun 26 04:22 |
XRevan86 | activelow: nicknames are ripe for the taking on both freenodes. | Jun 26 04:22 |
activelow | XRevan86: sorry then for the misunderstanding | Jun 26 04:22 |
XRevan86 | And on the rasengan's freenode it's worse, because there is a stronger expectation of that what existed is still there. | Jun 26 04:24 |
XRevan86 | At least by those sleeping beauties that still didn't get the memo | Jun 26 04:24 |
schestowitz | thanks, XRevan86 | Jun 26 04:26 |
activelow | i don't hold it legitimately either, since on oftc there was another activelow before, who is legitimate there and not me either | Jun 26 04:26 |
schestowitz | I got it drafted now | Jun 26 04:26 |
schestowitz | will take screenshot | Jun 26 04:26 |
schestowitz | I didn't say impersonation | Jun 26 04:27 |
schestowitz | it's technically not what happened | Jun 26 04:27 |
schestowitz | I exlained why people ended up there | Jun 26 04:27 |
schestowitz | " | Jun 26 04:27 |
schestowitz | A few days ago I heard that the channel called "techrights" in Libera Chat was misusing our name or misrepresenting us. Rather, a small and vocal minority was making noise. So I decided to lurk/park there for a couple of days, only to observe abuse and off-topic nonsense (<a href="http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/libera-chat-rubbish.txt">examples here</a>), including verbal abuse against <em>actual</em> Techrights people. | Jun 26 04:27 |
schestowitz | To clarify, the way IRC works (and has long worked), anybody can create a "techrights" channel on any network (there are hundreds of networks that are well known), but what happened with Libera Chat is, a lot of people reconfigured their IRC clients to connect to Libera Chat instead of Freenode, whereupon their auto-join directive would get them connected to a channel called "techrights" in Libera Chat. | Jun 26 04:27 |
schestowitz | But we're not in Libera Chat. We're not interested in yet another network exercising control over us. Nothing personal against Libera Chat; it's just that it got an influx of users parks in a channel called "techrights" due to a state of flux amid diaspora. | Jun 26 04:27 |
schestowitz | If you are mistakenly parked in "techrights" at Libera Chat, please change the settings to the correct network. The real <code>#techrights</code> channel is at <code>irc.techrights.org</code>, port 6667. | Jun 26 04:27 |
schestowitz | As XRevan86 put it, "we have brought up our own independent IRC server for true self-reliance, while maintaining a bridge to our old home on freenode for compatibility and emergencies" and "the channels on Libera have not been claimed by us, and as such we are not affiliated with them." | Jun 26 04:27 |
schestowitz | " | Jun 26 04:27 |
schestowitz | typos likely ^^^ please report typos | Jun 26 04:27 |
activelow | my account name on freenode is rigged, since this was prone to being stalked upon | Jun 26 04:28 |
kingoffrance | s/influx of users parks/influx of users parked/ | Jun 26 04:29 |
schestowitz | I see that two more channels was added to this network already | Jun 26 04:29 |
schestowitz | unknown to me | Jun 26 04:29 |
schestowitz | but not off topic | Jun 26 04:29 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Also some people joined that other channel during the day when the bridge to there was up. Not sure how they noticed, maybe someone mentioned that elsewhere. | Jun 26 04:29 |
schestowitz | maybe | Jun 26 04:29 |
schestowitz | the bridges only lend legitimacy to the wrong channel | Jun 26 04:30 |
schestowitz | which is why better not to have them anynore | Jun 26 04:30 |
schestowitz | in past 24 hours only 2 messages there | Jun 26 04:30 |
schestowitz | so it is negligible, will perish on its own | Jun 26 04:30 |
XRevan86 | It was a nice show-case of the possibilities the bridge can give. | Jun 26 04:31 |
XRevan86 | and I thought it will get registered, but it wasn't | Jun 26 04:31 |
schestowitz | btw, regarding web-based interfaces to our irc networks which are also SELF-HOSTED, I've given up on that for now | Jun 26 04:31 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: more networks = more work | Jun 26 04:32 |
schestowitz | better to focus on one place | Jun 26 04:32 |
XRevan86 | https://sr.ht/~emersion/gamja/ ? | Jun 26 04:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sr.ht | gamja: Simple IRC web client | Jun 26 04:32 | |
schestowitz | this is new to me | Jun 26 04:32 |
XRevan86 | web.libera.chat suggests it along with KiwiIRC | Jun 26 04:32 |
schestowitz | looks like it would want a container of its own | Jun 26 04:33 |
schestowitz | as it comes with a large chain of deps | Jun 26 04:33 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Using my wording in quotes attributing myself makes me look like a full-on member of techrights. | Jun 26 04:33 |
schestowitz | well, you are trusted for sure | Jun 26 04:34 |
schestowitz | unlike some people on that other network | Jun 26 04:34 |
XRevan86 | An affiliate :) | Jun 26 04:34 |
schestowitz | there are people I've known for ages | Jun 26 04:34 |
schestowitz | like Ariadne and other admins | Jun 26 04:34 |
schestowitz | iirc, MinceR has been here since 2008 or 2009 | Jun 26 04:34 |
schestowitz | gamja is interesting | Jun 26 04:35 |
schestowitz | but it's a bit chain of things | Jun 26 04:35 |
XRevan86 | "port 6667" – better not to mention | Jun 26 04:35 |
schestowitz | like quakenet thing, which I tried to set up again age, needed the whole of Twisted, iirc | Jun 26 04:35 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: some people asked me to mention | Jun 26 04:35 |
schestowitz | because they said their client does not have defaults | Jun 26 04:36 |
schestowitz | at first I did not mention | Jun 26 04:36 |
XRevan86 | ircs://irc.techrights.orgt:6697/#techrights how about a URI? :) | Jun 26 04:36 |
schestowitz | yes, my distro supports that | Jun 26 04:36 |
XRevan86 | s/orgt/org/ | Jun 26 04:36 |
XRevan86 | ye can even mention both ircs:// and irc:// | Jun 26 04:37 |
XRevan86 | but clear text communication is really not the way to go | Jun 26 04:37 |
schestowitz | I thought about that | Jun 26 04:38 |
XRevan86 | the good thing about a ircs:// URI is that ye don't need to make sure the client is configured for TLS or not | Jun 26 04:38 |
schestowitz | I never tried ircs urls | Jun 26 04:40 |
schestowitz | I know debian would deal with irc:// in kde at least | Jun 26 04:40 |
schestowitz | or firefox | Jun 26 04:40 |
XRevan86 | ye could always mention both, HTML layoyt allows doing that compactly | Jun 26 04:40 |
XRevan86 | layout | Jun 26 04:41 |
XRevan86 | I really don't feel like there's something wrong with me right now, but seeing how many typo's I make it obvious I'm mentally exhausted. This kept me up. | Jun 26 04:42 |
schestowitz | btw, ddos attacks have stopped | Jun 26 04:43 |
schestowitz | after 2 days | Jun 26 04:43 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: it's IRC, typos welcome :-) | Jun 26 04:43 |
*activelow has quit (connection closed) | Jun 26 04:44 | |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Also, the logo of the l0de's podcast… the same reason why it's good as an illustration is why it's somewhat risky to have it as an illusation | Jun 26 04:44 |
XRevan86 | mildly shocking content | Jun 26 04:45 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: i find it out that... | Jun 26 04:45 |
XRevan86 | not false advertising though | Jun 26 04:45 |
schestowitz | libera chat would recommend self-hosting irc web interface | Jun 26 04:45 |
schestowitz | but not the ircd | Jun 26 04:45 |
schestowitz | which kind of seems moot | Jun 26 04:45 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Hm? | Jun 26 04:46 |
schestowitz | unless they want to lower cpu strain | Jun 26 04:46 |
*activelow (~activelow@mupb6a256trnq.irc) has joined #techrights | Jun 26 04:46 | |
XRevan86 | They're hosting Gamja | Jun 26 04:46 |
schestowitz | they want people to host it | Jun 26 04:46 |
schestowitz | but then connect to LC, I assume | Jun 26 04:46 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Where do ye see this? | Jun 26 04:46 |
schestowitz | so they exercise more control at the daemon level | Jun 26 04:46 |
schestowitz | while the UI layer is paid for by the projects | Jun 26 04:46 |
schestowitz | you said they recommended Gamja | Jun 26 04:47 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: https://web.libera.chat/gamja/ | Jun 26 04:47 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.libera.chat | gamja IRC client | Jun 26 04:47 | |
schestowitz | Gamja: [04:32] <XRevan86> web.libera.chat suggests it along with KiwiIRC | Jun 26 04:47 |
XRevan86 | https://web.libera.chat/ here | Jun 26 04:47 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.libera.chat | Kiwi IRC | Jun 26 04:47 | |
XRevan86 | this is KiwiIRC, but in the description it suggests Gamja | Jun 26 04:47 |
XRevan86 | so they have both | Jun 26 04:48 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/irc-clarity/ | Jun 26 04:48 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat, Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network | Techrights | Jun 26 04:48 | |
schestowitz | can you check, please? | Jun 26 04:48 |
XRevan86 | > A few days ago | Jun 26 04:48 |
XRevan86 | Really? :) | Jun 26 04:48 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: The URI keep my ".orgt" typo | Jun 26 04:49 |
schestowitz | ouch | Jun 26 04:49 |
schestowitz | the hope is that more projects/sites will follow | Jun 26 04:50 |
schestowitz | and self-host | Jun 26 04:50 |
XRevan86 | "(default port; port 6667)" – "default clear-text port" then | Jun 26 04:50 |
schestowitz | so we can have many thousands of IRC networks out there, widely spread | Jun 26 04:50 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Oh, ye can mention how cool a feature RELAYMSG is :) | Jun 26 04:51 |
schestowitz | maybe a subject for a separate article/video | Jun 26 04:52 |
schestowitz | tbh, I don't know how it works | Jun 26 04:52 |
schestowitz | so cannot say much myself | Jun 26 04:52 |
schestowitz | but maybe, as I alluded to before, you can share your bridge settings | Jun 26 04:52 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: An op has an ability to spoof the message sender nick basically. | Jun 26 04:52 |
schestowitz | to help other people help themselves | Jun 26 04:52 |
XRevan86 | but only if that nick has a slash in it | Jun 26 04:53 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Different networks have different needs. | Jun 26 04:53 |
activelow | +OK ztlsz.npLUL.sEChG0Jfu5U/.0sSQ/Fykxt/1tgbX1YsIwr/c4S2n.nHv9V.jTSlP/6ZEje1WLZac/wsbzH/4VD8i/20msi02ZmMs1EQSCo1o1Ulh.F/pSE1e9lo3.C3MuL/vCO8Z0Z2tGi/dhMvV1mxOfj/MVQlM.VJkVA1 | Jun 26 04:54 |
activelow | wouldn't take any offense in a temporary +q, once in a while my mind snaps into realms beyond comprehension | Jun 26 04:54 |
schestowitz | regarding "few days ago" | Jun 26 04:55 |
schestowitz | it's correct | Jun 26 04:55 |
schestowitz | I knew it existed, but... | Jun 26 04:55 |
schestowitz | didn't think it had any momentum left in it | Jun 26 04:55 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Librarian is there since the bridge times (don't know if he was there before it). | Jun 26 04:56 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: He is the person I was mentioning as a philosophy professor. | Jun 26 04:58 |
techrights-news | Techrights is NOT on #LiberaChat , Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/irc-clarity/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/25/irc-clarity/ | Jun 26 04:58 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat, Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network | Techrights | Jun 26 04:58 | |
XRevan86 | I found that detail cute. | Jun 26 04:58 |
schestowitz | he hates Ariadne a lot | Jun 26 04:59 |
Ariadne | good for him, can you stop highlighting me | Jun 26 04:59 |
Ariadne | thx | Jun 26 04:59 |
schestowitz | np, sorry | Jun 26 04:59 |
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XRevan86 | schestowitz: Because she strongly challenged his pespective? | Jun 26 05:00 |
Ariadne | i mean, i did originally, now days i just suggest he consume various poisonous substances | Jun 26 05:01 |
schestowitz | something like that but anyway, let's change topic, i assume she's busy coding and stuff | Jun 26 05:01 |
schestowitz | I know the feeling of getting unwanted irc notifications when working on something | Jun 26 05:01 |
XRevan86 | I keep trying to imagine the kind of philosophy classes he's doing. | Jun 26 05:01 |
schestowitz | in a moment we'll post some Daily Links, I want to also write some articles about Free software | Jun 26 05:02 |
Ariadne | well, really they are white race appreciation classes | Jun 26 05:02 |
schestowitz | last weekend was a lost weekend because of the chaos left behind by freenode tuesday onwards (flushed IRC DB) | Jun 26 05:02 |
XRevan86 | from my experience it's not uncommon for people teaching metaphysics to have a problem with grasping reality | Jun 26 05:02 |
Ariadne | which, fine, but this isn't kkkrights | Jun 26 05:02 |
schestowitz | I know | Jun 26 05:02 |
schestowitz | it was off topic regardless | Jun 26 05:02 |
schestowitz | "Social" is now used more | Jun 26 05:02 |
schestowitz | so even DaemonFC doesn't interject here the OT things | Jun 26 05:03 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: maybe you can send more details on how you configured mattermost for relaying across networks | Jun 26 05:03 |
XRevan86 | Like my personal experience with a philosophy class where the professor talked about Putin as salvation of the world | Jun 26 05:03 |
schestowitz | some people would find that info handy | Jun 26 05:03 |
*psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights | Jun 26 05:04 | |
schestowitz | and I cannot write that myself, having not practiced it directly, ever | Jun 26 05:04 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: that prof wants to be promoted | Jun 26 05:04 |
schestowitz | not sentenced to hard labour | Jun 26 05:04 |
schestowitz | reminds me of what chmomsky said of US "intellectuals" | Jun 26 05:04 |
schestowitz | BTW, as I mention Chosmky | Jun 26 05:05 |
schestowitz | and also association by people you agree to be interviewed by | Jun 26 05:05 |
schestowitz | he was once entrapped by some sex-oriented mag to give an interview | Jun 26 05:05 |
schestowitz | maybe playboy | Jun 26 05:05 |
schestowitz | which then put him in unsavory company | Jun 26 05:05 |
schestowitz | and they were not upfront about who that interview was for | Jun 26 05:06 |
schestowitz | but I am guessing the interview was for "after the wanking" | Jun 26 05:06 |
schestowitz | not a "foreplay" | Jun 26 05:06 |
schestowitz | he spoke about that incident, which reminds me of that awful freenode interview | Jun 26 05:06 |
schestowitz | maybe he was not sure what or who he was talking to | Jun 26 05:06 |
*schestowitz plays devil's advocate | Jun 26 05:07 | |
schestowitz | Like I said before, the techrights channel at LC seems to have become an anti-techrights gossip/whisper network. I hardly know these names at all and they're not techrights-connected, just looking to bash the site using a channel called after it, after many hopped from one network to another." Examples are now online in that text file | Jun 26 05:07 |
schestowitz | I dont' intend to take over a channel just to kickban people | Jun 26 05:07 |
schestowitz | it would be hugely dumb and short-sighted | Jun 26 05:08 |
schestowitz | it is what it is | Jun 26 05:08 |
schestowitz | I didn't choose for a network split that big | Jun 26 05:08 |
schestowitz | 60k+ users | Jun 26 05:08 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: l0de has been involved with freenode prior to that apparently. | Jun 26 05:08 |
schestowitz | as staff or user? | Jun 26 05:08 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Someone called him a quasi-staffer. | Jun 26 05:08 |
schestowitz | staff vetting in freenode... don't know what that's like | Jun 26 05:08 |
schestowitz | anyone can just offer oneself as volunteer | Jun 26 05:09 |
XRevan86 | it's not hard to imagine someone like l0de getting pretty close to staff | Jun 26 05:09 |
schestowitz | the question is, will they accept him/her/them? | Jun 26 05:09 |
XRevan86 | He knows how to pull the right strings in people like rasengan | Jun 26 05:09 |
schestowitz | This coming Friday we have a big hearing in the EPO | Jun 26 05:10 |
schestowitz | I hope IRC wars won't distract like they did last hearing (may 28th) | Jun 26 05:10 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: aka the king of overdraft | Jun 26 05:11 |
schestowitz | I love euphemism for debt | Jun 26 05:11 |
schestowitz | "credit" | Jun 26 05:11 |
schestowitz | "overdraft" | Jun 26 05:11 |
XRevan86 | https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/blob/master/matterbridge.toml.sample | Jun 26 05:11 |
XRevan86 | https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/wiki/Section-IRC-%28basic%29 | Jun 26 05:11 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-matterbridge/matterbridge.toml.sample at master · 42wim/matterbridge · GitHub | Jun 26 05:11 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Section IRC (basic) · 42wim/matterbridge Wiki · GitHub | Jun 26 05:11 | |
XRevan86 | The information on how to set up a bridge is there already. | Jun 26 05:12 |
schestowitz | I see... | Jun 26 05:12 |
schestowitz | well, we need to get that info 'off' Microsodt | Jun 26 05:12 |
XRevan86 | matterbridge is only there unfortunately. | Jun 26 05:12 |
schestowitz | it's longer than I thought | Jun 26 05:13 |
XRevan86 | it's a sample :) | Jun 26 05:13 |
schestowitz | it also makes many assumptions | Jun 26 05:13 |
schestowitz | about what one runs | Jun 26 05:13 |
XRevan86 | And it includes not only IRC but IRC is the first section in it conviniently. | Jun 26 05:13 |
XRevan86 | The techrights configuration is this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6cdd00b2 | Jun 26 05:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone | Jun 26 05:14 | |
schestowitz | I am saving it | Jun 26 05:16 |
schestowitz | we need to prepare for the next wave of EPO scandals | Jun 26 05:17 |
schestowitz | we have 6 more days to prepare | Jun 26 05:17 |
schestowitz | DDOS attacks over after 2 dayd | Jun 26 05:17 |
schestowitz | *days | Jun 26 05:17 |
schestowitz | I guess they got tired of getting blocked effectively | Jun 26 05:18 |
*mib_u7ns8n (~5198ee27@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights | Jun 26 05:18 | |
XRevan86 | One example of how things can differ is in the wiki as OFTC doesn't yet have SASL support. | Jun 26 05:19 |
schestowitz | someone mentioned it the other day | Jun 26 05:19 |
schestowitz | seems odd a network that size lacks it | Jun 26 05:19 |
techrights-news | The choice of words (and platform) of Andrew Lee seems to have harmed the image of #Freenode ; we examine what was said on the bizarre show of Lode Ray Dio of #GNAA infamy http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/andrew-lee-l0de-interview/ | Jun 26 05:20 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Annotated Transcript of Andrew Lee (Freenode) Interview With Lode Ray Dio | Techrights | Jun 26 05:20 | |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: They're using ircd-hybrid | Jun 26 05:21 |
schestowitz | I know it's OT | Jun 26 05:22 |
schestowitz | but | Jun 26 05:23 |
AdmFubar | is that transcript really accurate? | Jun 26 05:23 |
schestowitz | we might stay in lockdown for a while | Jun 26 05:23 |
schestowitz | so I can do some projects | Jun 26 05:23 |
schestowitz | AdmFubar: afaik | Jun 26 05:23 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: And as it was mentioned before (the "OFTC takeover" :) ), the goal of OFTC is Solanum. | Jun 26 05:23 |
schestowitz | why? hard to believe? | Jun 26 05:23 |
DaemonFC | I'm hoping the court isn't doing Zoom in September. | Jun 26 05:23 |
schestowitz | you can rejkect it | Jun 26 05:23 |
AdmFubar | what language are they talking in? :P | Jun 26 05:23 |
XRevan86 | AdmFubar: When I was reading it, the voice of Andrew Lee was echoing in my ears. | Jun 26 05:23 |
schestowitz | techrights 'lobbies' against courts over the Net | Jun 26 05:23 |
XRevan86 | as I listened to the whole thing before | Jun 26 05:24 |
DaemonFC | I don't like Zoom and every felon out there who says they don't have a job and can't pay their court costs has a $1700 phone in their hand while they're doing so. | Jun 26 05:24 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/epo-pandora-box/ | Jun 26 05:24 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice — Part 15: A Pandora’s Box… But for Whom? | Techrights | Jun 26 05:24 | |
DaemonFC | In this case, those two that were in the other car, the passenger turned out to be a convict up in Wisconsin. Felon child abuse, then he only had to do a year and a half, but he ended up doing three for attacking another inmate. | Jun 26 05:24 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: So if OFTC succeeds in its plans to upgrade IRCd, they'll get SASL. | Jun 26 05:24 |
AdmFubar | what a mish-mash of thoughts... | Jun 26 05:25 |
schestowitz | last part of this series, which ties into http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/outline-g121-and-beyond/ | Jun 26 05:25 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | Techrights | Jun 26 05:25 | |
AdmFubar | https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/26/in_brief_security/ | Jun 26 05:25 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | SolarWinds backdoor gang pwned Microsoft support agent to turn sights on customers • The Register | Jun 26 05:25 | |
schestowitz | about 60 parts total | Jun 26 05:25 |
XRevan86 | AdmFubar: It's like toxic, ye know what I mean? | Jun 26 05:25 |
AdmFubar | whatever they are on is toxic to them... | Jun 26 05:26 |
schestowitz | AdmFubar: shittttt... | Jun 26 05:26 |
XRevan86 | > we used to have a channel, #freenode, on Liberia Chat | Jun 26 05:26 |
XRevan86 | Oh, he actually said that?.. | Jun 26 05:26 |
XRevan86 | because that channel is still there | Jun 26 05:27 |
schestowitz | let me count the "shits" in this transcript | Jun 26 05:27 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Oh, by the way, it's ##freenode, not #freenode | Jun 26 05:27 |
XRevan86 | don't know if the transcript or rasengan is saying the channel's name wrong | Jun 26 05:27 |
schestowitz | 65 times! | Jun 26 05:27 |
schestowitz | 65 "shits" in just over an hour | Jun 26 05:28 |
schestowitz | awwwww, shiiiiit. | Jun 26 05:28 |
AdmFubar | I'd say lay off the colace and senna | Jun 26 05:28 |
schestowitz | they must be on some shit | Jun 26 05:28 |
schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words | Jun 26 05:29 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Seven dirty words - Wikipedia | Jun 26 05:29 | |
XRevan86 | 65 times, we saw this shit. It had a chicken head with duck feet and a woman's head too…^U | Jun 26 05:29 |
AdmFubar | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210618/18343747019/clearview-forbids-users-scraping-database-images-it-scraped-thousands-websites.shtml | Jun 26 05:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Clearview Forbids Users From Scraping Its Database Of Images It Scraped From Thousands Of Websites | Techdirt | Jun 26 05:30 | |
schestowitz | hopefully they don't scrape off http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/ | Jun 26 05:31 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Roy and Rianne's Wedding and Beyond | Jun 26 05:31 | |
XRevan86 | If "Liberia Chat" weren't pussies unlike a strong leader such as rasengan, they would've taken over that ##freenode channel already instead of talking about how inappropriate it is and doing nothing about it :) | Jun 26 05:31 |
schestowitz | I had a discussion with Tim over on TechBytes abut it | Jun 26 05:31 |
schestowitz | obscure sites are less likely to be harvested for profiling | Jun 26 05:31 |
schestowitz | they go for the big ones, notably FB and Twitter | Jun 26 05:31 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Anything to be done about freenode at http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ ? | Jun 26 05:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Channels | Techrights | Jun 26 05:32 | |
schestowitz | in what sense? | Jun 26 05:32 |
schestowitz | it's fine as it is | Jun 26 05:32 |
schestowitz | freenode is listed last | Jun 26 05:33 |
schestowitz | some people are still on it | Jun 26 05:33 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: "More Open and Bigger" – for one thing, that :) | Jun 26 05:33 |
schestowitz | over 50 users | Jun 26 05:33 |
schestowitz | it's bigger | Jun 26 05:33 |
schestowitz | more online users | Jun 26 05:33 |
schestowitz | we're like an island here | Jun 26 05:33 |
XRevan86 | it's technically correct, but it's not how I would've described it | Jun 26 05:33 |
schestowitz | I'll change that later | Jun 26 05:34 |
schestowitz | we're still observing what happens to freel0de | Jun 26 05:34 |
schestowitz | #freeBritney | Jun 26 05:36 |
AdmFubar | https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57601631 | Jun 26 05:38 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Crackonosh: How hackers are using gamers to become crypto-rich - BBC News | Jun 26 05:38 | |
AdmFubar | https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57591682 | Jun 26 05:42 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The final years of John McAfee's controversial life - BBC News | Jun 26 05:42 | |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: also i did sense hate and toxic culture on old freenode, especially from staffers like Fuchs | Jun 26 05:44 |
XRevan86 | How to recognise a person by what they wrote. | Jun 26 05:44 |
*leah has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.8) | Jun 26 05:45 | |
CrystalMath | > What is “big FOSS”? Is Free software now being painted with the same brush as monopolists? | Jun 26 05:46 |
CrystalMath | you know who these people are! systemd, debian, Red Hat | Jun 26 05:46 |
CrystalMath | we talk about them here all the time | Jun 26 05:46 |
CrystalMath | Novell too | Jun 26 05:47 |
CrystalMath | they're big FOSS | Jun 26 05:47 |
activelow | they're big, granted | Jun 26 05:47 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: freedesktop, postgres, devuan, alpine? | Jun 26 05:48 |
AdmFubar | https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/how-cyber-sleuths-cracked-an-atm-shimmer-gang/ | Jun 26 05:50 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | How Cyber Sleuths Cracked an ATM Shimmer Gang – Krebs on Security | Jun 26 05:50 | |
schestowitz | [05:42] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- The final years of John McAfee's controversial life - BBC News | Jun 26 05:51 |
schestowitz | my dad jokes last night about Gates ending up the same way | Jun 26 05:51 |
schestowitz | maybe even younger | Jun 26 05:51 |
schestowitz | [05:38] <AdmFubar> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57601631 | Jun 26 05:52 |
schestowitz | "hackers" | Jun 26 05:52 |
schestowitz | "crypto" | Jun 26 05:52 |
schestowitz | crackers? | Jun 26 05:52 |
AdmFubar | https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/how-cyber-sleuths-cracked-an-atm-shimmer-gang/ | Jun 26 05:52 |
schestowitz | banks? | Jun 26 05:52 |
schestowitz | we put this in yesterday's Daily Links | Jun 26 05:52 |
schestowitz | MinceR: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/woke-orban.jpg | Jun 26 05:52 |
AdmFubar | :) | Jun 26 05:52 |
CrystalMath | activelow: they're also *bad* | Jun 26 05:52 |
AdmFubar | https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/06/banning-surveillance-based-advertising.html | Jun 26 05:52 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Banning Surveillance-Based Advertising - Schneier on Security | Jun 26 05:52 | |
CrystalMath | and schestowitz knows they're bad | Jun 26 05:53 |
CrystalMath | gnome is also big foss | Jun 26 05:53 |
AdmFubar | I'm a bit behind on news... wasn't feel good yeasterday | Jun 26 05:53 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: How about Rocky? MATE? KDE? | Jun 26 05:54 |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: also i can't believe that you're going along with limiting speech when it comes to the US elections; virtually every election is called stolen by the losing side | Jun 26 05:54 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: i'd say KDE is big at least, i'd need to know more to see if they're "big FOSS" people | Jun 26 05:54 |
CrystalMath | the linux foundation is big FOSS | Jun 26 05:54 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: it's not about the software it's the organization | Jun 26 05:55 |
CrystalMath | and Andrew Lee said the solution is to fork the software | Jun 26 05:55 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: All the aforementioned left freenode | Jun 26 05:55 |
schestowitz | LF is not FOSS | Jun 26 05:56 |
schestowitz | that's the difference | Jun 26 05:56 |
schestowitz | IBM is now FOSS | Jun 26 05:56 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is not FOSS | Jun 26 05:56 |
schestowitz | LF is monopolies | Jun 26 05:56 |
schestowitz | LF is NOT on freenode | Jun 26 05:56 |
schestowitz | LF is on Zoom | Jun 26 05:56 |
schestowitz | LF is in Microsoft (GitHub) | Jun 26 05:56 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: The Trump's stolen-elections movement is unprecedented in size and boldness. | Jun 26 05:56 |
schestowitz | GitHub is not big foss | Jun 26 05:57 |
schestowitz | GitHub is "big tech" | Jun 26 05:57 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: so what? if you want to limit actions, limit actions, don't limit speech! | Jun 26 05:57 |
XRevan86 | Calls for actions | Jun 26 05:57 |
CrystalMath | there was NO call to action in Andrew Lee's talk about the election | Jun 26 05:57 |
schestowitz | CrystalMath: people exercise their speech | Jun 26 05:57 |
CrystalMath | none whatsoever | Jun 26 05:57 |
CrystalMath | he said karma will get them | Jun 26 05:57 |
schestowitz | by telling people to get off that network | Jun 26 05:57 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: There was in Trump's | Jun 26 05:58 |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: i suppose telling people to buy viagra is also free speech? especially when done in 1,000 emails a day | Jun 26 05:58 |
CrystalMath | saying the election is stolen is free speech, advertizing something to people is spam | Jun 26 05:59 |
schestowitz | he can say it | Jun 26 05:59 |
schestowitz | and I can say what I think of it | Jun 26 05:59 |
schestowitz | a right to speech is not a right to a large audience | Jun 26 05:59 |
schestowitz | or to a large business | Jun 26 06:00 |
schestowitz | he talks | Jun 26 06:00 |
schestowitz | people walk away | Jun 26 06:00 |
techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▁▂▆▇▄▅▁▅▆▆▅▃▆▇▇▆▇▆▅▂▃▆▇▅▄▆▇▆▇▄▆▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 30.43 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▃▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▃▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 5.56▕ swarm size (avg): 305.37 ⟲ | Jun 26 06:00 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Careful mentioning anything on freenode, it's spam, don't ye know. | Jun 26 06:00 |
schestowitz | people telling their own channel they move somewhere else is not spam | Jun 26 06:00 |
XRevan86 | Advertising websites, networks… | Jun 26 06:00 |
XRevan86 | When one writes a message, in a way one advertises oneself. | Jun 26 06:01 |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: personally i really don't like that idea, since for many channels, there exists such a channel on every network; why forbid one network from having it? | Jun 26 06:01 |
CrystalMath | like there's an #fsf on EFNet | Jun 26 06:01 |
schestowitz | we'll always have the memories of a channel with 95 users in it, at peak... | Jun 26 06:01 |
CrystalMath | there's #slackware on undernet and it's very big | Jun 26 06:01 |
CrystalMath | well okay all the slackware channels are unofficial though | Jun 26 06:02 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: There's such a concept as an official channel. Freenode had this privilege. | Jun 26 06:02 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: i guess that stuff is gone from the policy now, yeah | Jun 26 06:03 |
CrystalMath | there's no more reserved namespace | Jun 26 06:03 |
XRevan86 | Turns out, some projects rely on IRC for communication. They are the Big FOSS. | Jun 26 06:03 |
CrystalMath | hmm, just thought of an example, Mozilla is big FOSS | Jun 26 06:04 |
XRevan86 | And they're interested in maintaining the status quo that worked for them for years. | Jun 26 06:04 |
XRevan86 | And the way to do that is to move to Libera and notify everyone on freenode of that. | Jun 26 06:05 |
CrystalMath | the status quo that worked for them was: people connect, join a project channel, work with them, write code, be bored one day, type /list, find some general channels, mention you're not a communist, get K-lined | Jun 26 06:05 |
CrystalMath | that was the old freenode | Jun 26 06:06 |
CrystalMath | screw that status quo | Jun 26 06:06 |
kingoffrance | the new one is autonomous zone | Jun 26 06:06 |
kingoffrance | does it really matter? | Jun 26 06:06 |
XRevan86 | An autonomous zone that relies on the US based commercial company. | Jun 26 06:07 |
CrystalMath | UK | Jun 26 06:07 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I meant Shells™ but sure | Jun 26 06:08 |
XRevan86 | An autonomous zone can be so outside of any country's jurisdiction that it's in two countries :) | Jun 26 06:09 |
kingoffrance | i just mean, this is all politics, i dont see anyone changing their mind, what does it matter what people claim? | Jun 26 06:10 |
XRevan86 | "I use Arch, BTW", "I'm a vegan", now CrystalMath has a new addition: "I'm not a communist". | Jun 26 06:12 |
CrystalMath | a minority uses arch, a minority is vegan, but most people are not communists :) | Jun 26 06:13 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Depends how ye define it. Some may draw the line on not being a libertarian, and most people are not libertarian. | Jun 26 06:15 |
kingoffrance | ^ yes its just ever-shifting political bs | Jun 26 06:15 |
kingoffrance | i dont know why ppl take any of it seriously | Jun 26 06:15 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: eh, the world isn't just libertarians and communists | Jun 26 06:16 |
CrystalMath | there's also people who have moderate ideologies | Jun 26 06:16 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I thought for a moment that maybe ye understand that the one dimensional view on political ideology is overly simplistic, but I was wrong. | Jun 26 06:17 |
CrystalMath | i don't like the 1D view | Jun 26 06:17 |
CrystalMath | i like the 2D view, but maybe that's not too adequate either | Jun 26 06:18 |
schestowitz | [06:01] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: personally i really don't like that idea, since for many channels, there exists such a channel on every network; why forbid one network from having it? | Jun 26 06:18 |
schestowitz | it's different if you kick everyone out | Jun 26 06:18 |
schestowitz | and make it invite-only | Jun 26 06:18 |
schestowitz | that's not what 700 channels did | Jun 26 06:18 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: freenode wanted to takeover the no longer official channels, quietly repurpose them as unofficial channels and make it look like that was always the case. | Jun 26 06:19 |
schestowitz | wow | Jun 26 06:20 |
schestowitz | so they were "stealing that shit" | Jun 26 06:20 |
XRevan86 | Completely disregarding that this is not what the people came there came there for. | Jun 26 06:20 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: they can clearly read, if they're on IRC | Jun 26 06:21 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Read what? The wiped out topic? | Jun 26 06:22 |
CrystalMath | it says "unofficial" | Jun 26 06:22 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: How is that a contradiction? | Jun 26 06:22 |
CrystalMath | if unofficial is not what they came there for, then they'll leave | Jun 26 06:23 |
CrystalMath | but if it IS, then they'll stay | Jun 26 06:23 |
CrystalMath | and for many there is | Jun 26 06:23 |
*activelow departs into dreamland | Jun 26 06:23 | |
CrystalMath | like they have a lot of reasons to be on a freenode channel | Jun 26 06:23 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Such as? | Jun 26 06:24 |
CrystalMath | well it's a network with much more permissive rules | Jun 26 06:24 |
XRevan86 | Being away from the Big FOSS project that channel is about? | Jun 26 06:24 |
CrystalMath | a better place to be, for that reason alone | Jun 26 06:24 |
XRevan86 | Ah, so to shit on it? | Jun 26 06:24 |
CrystalMath | no | Jun 26 06:24 |
CrystalMath | i mean like.. there are *MANY* people in FOSS that are right-wing, and now they finally have a place for their projects, and to talk about their favorite projects | Jun 26 06:25 |
CrystalMath | they can help each other | Jun 26 06:25 |
XRevan86 | Technical help is not something anyone values on IRC, sure. | Jun 26 06:25 |
CrystalMath | i don't see why that's true, i mean | Jun 26 06:25 |
CrystalMath | i still get help on freenode | Jun 26 06:25 |
CrystalMath | i still get help on *EFNet* | Jun 26 06:25 |
CrystalMath | on rizon even | Jun 26 06:25 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: They can exchange quips about just how much they're not communist to each other. | Jun 26 06:26 |
schestowitz | support channels are different | Jun 26 06:26 |
schestowitz | they don't represent policies and stances | Jun 26 06:26 |
CrystalMath | the right-wing and moderate people of the FOSS movement are in fact quite capable of supporting each other | Jun 26 06:26 |
XRevan86 | - Does postgres support clustered index? | Jun 26 06:27 |
XRevan86 | - Is that a Marxist term? | Jun 26 06:27 |
CrystalMath | lol, but like, you really think we're the obsessed ones? | Jun 26 06:27 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: yes. | Jun 26 06:27 |
CrystalMath | like we didn't do anything... they attacked first, when they cancelled Stallman | Jun 26 06:28 |
schestowitz | a lot of technical issues need not be partisan | Jun 26 06:28 |
schestowitz | those who make them partisan make them less stable | Jun 26 06:28 |
schestowitz | alongside other lines | Jun 26 06:28 |
XRevan86 | Это не мы такие, это жизнь такая. | Jun 26 06:28 |
schestowitz | patents are also not a left/right wing thing | Jun 26 06:28 |
schestowitz | not in western contexts anyway | Jun 26 06:28 |
schestowitz | pirate party is an exception to all that | Jun 26 06:29 |
schestowitz | to give an example: | Jun 26 06:29 |
schestowitz | "But either way, I feel that it is inappropriate for both myself and the techrights community for me to continue providing the xxxxx. I do not agree with the current techrights community on a number of issues, and they likewise do not agree with me. This is the unfortunate result of how the techrights community have evolved over the past year (largely skewing to the right). Given that, I feel it is best for everyone if I not be involved. I am | Jun 26 06:29 |
schestowitz | willing to listen to counter-arguments, of course, but do you think it is really good to have a xxxxx you're arguing with a lot?" | Jun 26 06:29 |
schestowitz | some people threaten to leave | Jun 26 06:29 |
schestowitz | not over technical substance | Jun 26 06:29 |
schestowitz | or patent policy etc. | Jun 26 06:29 |
schestowitz | but over whose party is supported | Jun 26 06:30 |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: that is correct but when your only support channel is on a network where one cannot be right-wing, well that's a partisan choice | Jun 26 06:30 |
schestowitz | and that wasn't the case decades ago | Jun 26 06:30 |
CrystalMath | on freenode you can be left-wing or right-wing, you can be whatever | Jun 26 06:30 |
schestowitz | you could debate technical matters with a "conservative" or "democrat" | Jun 26 06:30 |
CrystalMath | there's no rule against any politics, no censorship | Jun 26 06:30 |
CrystalMath | that's why freenode is my choice | Jun 26 06:30 |
schestowitz | no | Jun 26 06:30 |
schestowitz | freenode made its stance known | Jun 26 06:30 |
schestowitz | it's just another "wing" | Jun 26 06:30 |
CrystalMath | if some group (like the communists) reject this, well it's their own intolerance that causes them to leave | Jun 26 06:31 |
schestowitz | and the views supported by Andrew et al | Jun 26 06:31 |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: but that wing is the wing saying everything is allowed | Jun 26 06:31 |
schestowitz | so the solution is to not be controlled by a network he net-nannies | Jun 26 06:31 |
schestowitz | GAB said the same | Jun 26 06:31 |
schestowitz | but it started banning leftists | Jun 26 06:31 |
schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/11/06/gab-is-pro-nazis/ | Jun 26 06:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Gab is Not a Site That Tolerates Nazis. It is a Nazi Site That Bans People Who Object to Nazism. It’s a Censorship Site With a Dangerous Agenda. | Jun 26 06:32 | |
CrystalMath | okay like, how about another network run by Andrew Lee - did snoonet ban leftists? | Jun 26 06:32 |
CrystalMath | how about another network with freenode's current set of policies - did rizon ban leftists? | Jun 26 06:32 |
schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/07/18/gab-not-free-speech/ | Jun 26 06:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Gab Isn’t “Free Speech” But a “Safe Space” for Bigots That Censors Innocent Accounts Without Warning and Without Explanation for the Censorship | Jun 26 06:32 | |
CrystalMath | rizon and snoonet both stand allowing all | Jun 26 06:32 |
CrystalMath | i can't find a single instance of rizon banning a leftist, or a rightist | Jun 26 06:33 |
CrystalMath | for opinions anyway | Jun 26 06:33 |
CrystalMath | i mean i'm sure some got banne for DDoS or illegal stuff | Jun 26 06:33 |
CrystalMath | *banned | Jun 26 06:33 |
CrystalMath | but every opinion is allowed | Jun 26 06:34 |
techrights-news | G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPO’s Legitimacy http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/g-121-epo-catastrophe/ #epo #corruption #europe #patents #germany | Jun 26 06:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPO’s Legitimacy | Techrights | Jun 26 06:34 | |
techrights-news | #Vista11 System Requirement is Turning Heads. Time to migrate to Linux? • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152703 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 06:35 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Windows 11 System Requirement is Turning Heads. Time to migrate to Linux? | Tux Machines | Jun 26 06:35 | |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: tbh i think freenode and rizon can truly live up to their promise of being a true free speech zone | Jun 26 06:35 |
CrystalMath | rizon already has | Jun 26 06:35 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: We have seen a lot of people banned on freenode for being "toxic". | Jun 26 06:36 |
schestowitz | no, freenode already discredited such a promise | Jun 26 06:36 |
schestowitz | it banned many people | Jun 26 06:36 |
schestowitz | and andrew himself boasted about it | Jun 26 06:36 |
schestowitz | in that interview | Jun 26 06:36 |
schestowitz | so it's bipolar, sort of... | Jun 26 06:36 |
schestowitz | I'm pro-free speech, but... | Jun 26 06:36 |
schestowitz | and who knows, I might even be next | Jun 26 06:36 |
schestowitz | maybe posting the text of what he said publicly is "toxic" | Jun 26 06:37 |
schestowitz | more toxic than being on a show hosted by a total l00n, l0de | Jun 26 06:37 |
schestowitz | who spells his name with zeroes | Jun 26 06:37 |
schestowitz | his face reminds me of the song "American Idiot" | Jun 26 06:38 |
XRevan86 | sch3st0w1tz | Jun 26 06:38 |
schestowitz | yo yo yo | Jun 26 06:38 |
schestowitz | shit going down ma man | Jun 26 06:38 |
schestowitz | bbl | Jun 26 06:38 |
schestowitz | breakfast | Jun 26 06:38 |
XRevan86 | break fast, release often | Jun 26 06:39 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: like i haven't seen anyone banned who wasn't being outrageously spammingly insulting all day on #freenode | Jun 26 06:39 |
CrystalMath | and i've seen some who are like that and still there, just weren't bad enough to be banned | Jun 26 06:39 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: It takes a lot less than that. | Jun 26 06:40 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: i was an op there and i was told to let as much slide as possible, while making sure the channel is still usable | Jun 26 06:40 |
CrystalMath | i mean like 99% of the bans and klines were like, bots, or people that just wrote the same thing over and over | Jun 26 06:41 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: On the old freenode #freenode bans were local. | Jun 26 06:41 |
CrystalMath | until problems spread to other channels | Jun 26 06:41 |
CrystalMath | and they do... | Jun 26 06:41 |
CrystalMath | i see bot spam on #freenode, seconds later, i see it on #fsf too | Jun 26 06:41 |
XRevan86 | Someone asks about the purchase amount? Better k-line them. | Jun 26 06:42 |
CrystalMath | i've seem many such questions go unpunished | Jun 26 06:42 |
CrystalMath | though also unanswered as he said he can't say it | Jun 26 06:42 |
CrystalMath | what's the point of asking over and over and over and over and over... | Jun 26 06:43 |
phobos/fn | Ask who hosts the site and get threatened with a k-line | Jun 26 06:43 |
CrystalMath | even l0de asked it | Jun 26 06:43 |
CrystalMath | phobos/fn: who hosts the freenode website? | Jun 26 06:43 |
phobos/fn | Beats me | Jun 26 06:44 |
phobos/fn | could never find out | Jun 26 06:44 |
phobos/fn | was threatened with a k-line when asking one of the new staffers | Jun 26 06:44 |
CrystalMath | which one? | Jun 26 06:44 |
phobos/fn | those in the know from the old staff won't talk about it | Jun 26 06:44 |
phobos/fn | Eskimo | Jun 26 06:44 |
CrystalMath | eskimo gets angry easily :P | Jun 26 06:44 |
CrystalMath | so did tau (who left) | Jun 26 06:45 |
CrystalMath | they're probably asked this 1,000 times a day | Jun 26 06:45 |
CrystalMath | and they're at wits end because of it | Jun 26 06:45 |
CrystalMath | i mean, eskimo gets harassed on social media | Jun 26 06:45 |
CrystalMath | he's dealing with a lot | Jun 26 06:45 |
phobos/fn | This was back when they first took over | Jun 26 06:45 |
phobos/fn | so they shouldn't have been asked much about it back then | Jun 26 06:45 |
CrystalMath | eskimo was being harassed on social media from day one and i doubt he knew immediately who hosts the website | Jun 26 06:46 |
job | Since the other official techrights channel is busy talking about freenode, I'd like to hear your thoughts about this idea I have: gemini://tilde.team/~job/ircnet-idea.gmi | Jun 26 06:46 |
CrystalMath | tbh the only one who ever deals with that is the infra team | Jun 26 06:46 |
job | I have been thinking about it for like a week now. | Jun 26 06:46 |
phobos/fn | Yeah... the old staff which should have been in the know won't talk about who was hosting it | Jun 26 06:46 |
CrystalMath | i don't know if they knew, unless you ask the ones that were infra people | Jun 26 06:47 |
CrystalMath | tomaw maybe | Jun 26 06:47 |
job | TLDR: Only IRCops can create # channels, make & channels great again, no services at the network-level | Jun 26 06:47 |
phobos/fn | Even those I was friends with wouldn't discuss it | Jun 26 06:47 |
CrystalMath | it's quite possible that they just don't know | Jun 26 06:47 |
kingoffrance | sure, then they cant guarantee anything about "speech" | Jun 26 06:48 |
phobos/fn | Not when they are flat telling you that they won't answer that question | Jun 26 06:48 |
phobos/fn | I'm guessing there is some kind of NDA or whatnot | Jun 26 06:48 |
CrystalMath | the contract includes no NDA | Jun 26 06:48 |
XRevan86 | phobos: Maybe they don't want to go over the heads of the new staff. | Jun 26 06:48 |
CrystalMath | i've read it completely | Jun 26 06:48 |
job | (It's ironic I'm talking about decentralizing and federating IRC in a centralized network, I know) | Jun 26 06:49 |
phobos/fn | Or maybe its hosted on MS servers ;) | Jun 26 06:49 |
phobos/fn | good a explanation as any at this point | Jun 26 06:49 |
mjg59 | freenode.net is hosted on E Shells | Jun 26 06:49 |
XRevan86 | Nah. | Jun 26 06:49 |
phobos/fn | given that they've kept it hidden behind clownfare | Jun 26 06:49 |
mjg59 | Which is the trade name for shells.com | Jun 26 06:50 |
psydroid | > XRevan86: it's not about the software it's the organization | Jun 26 06:50 |
psydroid | > and Andrew Lee said the solution is to fork the software | Jun 26 06:50 |
psydroid | I hold the same view. If forking had been more encouraged from the very beginning these organizations would never have had the kind of power over the software that forms a critical part of our infrastructure. | Jun 26 06:50 |
mjg59 | That took about 30 seconds | Jun 26 06:50 |
CrystalMath | thank you psydroid | Jun 26 06:50 |
job | Seems to be a missed opportunity to name it "SeaShells" instead :P | Jun 26 06:50 |
CrystalMath | i know that you are also against big foss / the big tech that abuses "open source" | Jun 26 06:50 |
psydroid | They would have had their own versions of things, good luck to them and good riddance to us. People themselves have enabled these big companies that hold disproportione power over them. | Jun 26 06:51 |
CrystalMath | exactly, like, "oh let's not split efforts" | Jun 26 06:51 |
psydroid | disproportionate* | Jun 26 06:51 |
XRevan86 | Writing code is bloody not easy. | Jun 26 06:51 |
CrystalMath | i mean... you'll either split efforts or enlarge some bozos that think they own free software | Jun 26 06:51 |
CrystalMath | and then boss people around like Lennart Poettering | Jun 26 06:52 |
CrystalMath | "hey gentoo, this is a warning to you!" | Jun 26 06:52 |
phobos/fn | *cough* MS *cough* | Jun 26 06:52 |
XRevan86 | Finding people, maintaining a team – also not a peace of cake. | Jun 26 06:52 |
kingoffrance | yes, but autonomous zone means you are off in no man's land . there is no free software in an autonomous zone | Jun 26 06:52 |
CrystalMath | kingoffrance: what? :P | Jun 26 06:52 |
kingoffrance | what country is that? what court? | Jun 26 06:52 |
kingoffrance | the court of the cartel | Jun 26 06:52 |
kingoffrance | i agree with all that re: organizations, but i dont see this changing anything | Jun 26 06:53 |
XRevan86 | freenode is in lots of countries' jurisdiction. | Jun 26 06:54 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #uniToronto ☞ A couple of #GNU #Linux top-like programs for network traffic https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/NetworkTopPrograms | Jun 26 06:55 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/NetworkTopPrograms | Jun 26 06:55 | |
kingoffrance | dont disagree. and it is not a real issue now perhaps | Jun 26 06:55 |
XRevan86 | free software is a copyright waiver, without a jurisdiction there's no copyright, and that's like public domain. | Jun 26 06:55 |
kingoffrance | sure | Jun 26 06:55 |
kingoffrance | and i think big foss will love that | Jun 26 06:56 |
XRevan86 | copyleft won't work without copyright, but the source code under public domain is also free software | Jun 26 06:56 |
kingoffrance | fair, im just not sure many people wnat to go there | Jun 26 06:56 |
kingoffrance | if it ever gets to that | Jun 26 06:56 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CoryDoctorow #Education ☞ The #pandemic showed remote proctoring to be worse than useless https://pluralistic.net/2021/06/24/proctor-ology/#miseducation | Jun 26 06:57 |
XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Ye are confusing reality and rasengan's fantasies. | Jun 26 06:57 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pluralistic.net | Pluralistic: 24 Jun 2021 – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow | Jun 26 06:57 | |
kingoffrance | i think its all marketing to be sure, yes | Jun 26 06:58 |
kingoffrance | and "speech" is not gonna work out how they claim either | Jun 26 06:58 |
kingoffrance | "freenode is in lots of countries' jurisdiction." | Jun 26 06:58 |
XRevan86 | It would've been if a layman could actually understand what that means. | Jun 26 06:58 |
kingoffrance | lol | Jun 26 06:58 |
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mjg59 | 168.100.229.7 has a Letsencrypt cert for *.freenode.net that was issued on 2021-05-29 | Jun 26 07:01 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Site36 #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ „Battlefield information“: EU police to cooperate more closely with secret services and military https://digit.site36.net/2021/06/25/battlefield-information-eu-police-to-cooperate-more-closely-with-secret-services-and-military/ | Jun 26 07:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-digit.site36.net | „Battlefield information“: EU police to cooperate more closely with secret services and military – Matthias Monroy | Jun 26 07:02 | |
techrights-news | #Techrights is at irc.techrights.org; there seems to be some confusion about where we are, so a clarification may be needed if not long overdue • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/irc-clarity/ ䷉ #IRC | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/25/irc-clarity/ | Jun 26 07:04 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat, Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network | Techrights | Jun 26 07:04 | |
techrights-news | Team #Campinos is sinking in a sea of scandals; it won’t be long before the public finds out, even if much of the media is deeply compromised (on the receiving end of #EPO threats and/or bribes) • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/g-121-epo-catastrophe/ ䷉ #Techrights #Europe #corruption | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/26/g-121-epo-catastrophe/ | Jun 26 07:05 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPO’s Legitimacy | Techrights | Jun 26 07:05 | |
kingoffrance | if someone wants to go full darknet i would be curious what comes of it, but fbi isnt gonna care, guilt by association, for using "military grade" crypto | Jun 26 07:08 |
kingoffrance | and how much big foss would love to paint everyone as outlaws etc. | Jun 26 07:09 |
kingoffrance | i am not saying that is intent, but its gonna get spun that way | Jun 26 07:09 |
kingoffrance | bad optics if nothing else | Jun 26 07:09 |
AdmFubar | night all.. | Jun 26 07:17 |
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kingoffrance | besides he implied he had a treaty with the "us" | Jun 26 07:26 |
kingoffrance | did "the us" magically grant him a copyright-free zone? | Jun 26 07:27 |
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schestowitz | I've just done a 20-min video about this IRC thing | Jun 26 07:34 |
schestowitz | hopefully last such video | Jun 26 07:34 |
schestowitz | we need to focus on Free software, swpats and monopolies | Jun 26 07:35 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Newsweek #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ Edward Snowden Hails Court Ruling as Progress on Acknowledging 'Devastation' of Mass Surveillance https://www.newsweek.com/edward-snowden-hails-eu-court-ruling-progress-acknowledging-devastation-mass-surveillance-1594811 | Jun 26 07:35 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Edward Snowden Hails Court Ruling as Progress on Acknowledging 'Devastation' of Mass Surveillance | Jun 26 07:35 | |
techrights-news | ● [Old] ● #EFF #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ EFF 30 Fireside Chat Surveillance, With Edward Snowden (transcript) https://www.eff.org/files/2021/05/28/eff30_fireside_chat_surveillance_with_snowden_050521.txt | Jun 26 07:36 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #InternetArchive #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ EFF 30 Fireside Chat Surveillance, With Edward Snowden https://archive.org/details/eff-30-fireside-chat-surveillance-with-edward-snowden | Jun 26 07:36 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | EFF 30 Fireside Chat Surveillance, With Edward Snowden : Electronic Frontier Foundation : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive | Jun 26 07:36 | |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #WSWS #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ Danish public broadcaster reveals ongoing NSA spying on top EU officials https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/02/euro-j02.html | Jun 26 07:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Danish public broadcaster reveals ongoing NSA spying on top EU officials - World Socialist Web Site | Jun 26 07:37 | |
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techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #HindustanTimes #PressFreedom ☞ After John McAfee's death, Edward @Snowden has a warning for Julian #Assange https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/after-john-mcafee-s-death-edward-snowden-has-a-warning-for-julian-assange-101624594384332.html | Jun 26 07:40 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hindustantimes.com | After John McAfee's death, Edward Snowden has a warning for Julian Assange | World News - Hindustan Times | Jun 26 07:40 | |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #DIEM25 #PressFreedom ☞ “Anything to Say” #art exhibition inaugurated in #Geneva in support of Julian #Assange https://diem25.org/anything-say-art-exhibition-inaugurated-geneva-support-julian-assange/ | Jun 26 07:41 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-diem25.org | "Anything to Say" art exhibition inaugurated in Geneva in support of Julian Assange - Julijana Zita | Jun 26 07:41 | |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #SANS #Copyrights #Copyright ☞ Standing With Security Researchers Against Misuse of the #DMCA https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/27562 | Jun 26 07:43 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog | Jun 26 07:43 | |
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chunky | hello to all | Jun 26 07:53 |
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schestowitz | hi | Jun 26 07:55 |
schestowitz | chunky chunk? | Jun 26 07:55 |
chunky | chunkdawg mcjones | Jun 26 07:56 |
chunky | whats up schestowitz | Jun 26 07:56 |
schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cohen_(actor) | Jun 26 07:56 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jeff Cohen (actor) - Wikipedia | Jun 26 07:56 | |
schestowitz | "best remembered for appearing as Chunk in the 1985 Steven Spielberg production The Goonies." | Jun 26 07:56 |
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techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #EFF #Surveillance ☞ [VISUAL] The Overlapping Infrastructure of Urban Surveillance, and How to Fix It https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/graphic-overlapping-infrastructure-urban-surveillance-and-how-fix-it | Jun 26 08:01 |
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techrights-news | "they're not even pretending any more" https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/it-gets-worse,-and-worse,-and-worse....:4 "every single company is doing this" | Jun 26 08:11 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | It gets worse, and worse, and worse.... | Jun 26 08:11 | |
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techrights-news | If the goal was not (also) to make some profit https://neritam.wordpress.com/2021/06/24/they-could-end-the-pandemic-at-the-touch-of-the-button/ | Jun 26 08:12 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neritam.wordpress.com | They could end the pandemic at the touch of the button – neritam | Jun 26 08:12 | |
techrights-news | How to make sites gemini://seirdy.one/2020/11/23/website-best-practices.gmi | Jun 26 08:12 |
chunky | TECH RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS | Jun 26 08:35 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #AralBalkan ☞ Remote: a little module for more elegant remoting with WebSockets https://ar.al/2021/06/25/remote-a-little-module-for-more-elegant-remoting-with-websockets/ | Jun 26 08:39 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ar.al | Remote: a little module for more elegant remoting with WebSockets – Aral Balkan | Jun 26 08:39 | |
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techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheNation #gatesfoundstion #taxevasion #corruption ☞ #WarrenBuffett Moves to Distance Himself From #BillGates https://www.thenation.com/article/society/warren-buffett-bill-gates/ | Jun 26 08:43 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Warren Buffett Moves to Distance Himself From Bill Gates | The Nation | Jun 26 08:43 | |
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techrights-news | Bragging about overpaying for a crap computer https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/06/25/we-now-pause-this-blogging-for-a-brief-m1-imac-break/ | Jun 26 09:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-respectfulinsolence.com | We now pause this blogging for a brief M1 iMac break - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE | Jun 26 09:01 | |
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techrights-news | How I helped my mom switch from Windows to Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152704 | Jun 26 09:33 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How I helped my mom switch from Windows to Linux | Tux Machines | Jun 26 09:33 | |
techrights-news | #Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152705 #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 09:34 |
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x7upLime | Hi everybody, just discovered Techrights.com.. | Jun 26 11:54 |
x7upLime | I'm watching a video from Dr. Schestowitz, and for the first time hearing about a lot of reprehensible stuff IBM has done 0.0 | Jun 26 11:56 |
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mib_i3nb20 | can someone link me to the l0de radio hour? | Jun 26 12:34 |
mib_i3nb20 | i want to watch that interview, that guy sounds hilarious | Jun 26 12:35 |
gustaf | search for LRH on Youtube... | Jun 26 12:36 |
mib_i3nb20 | ah got it thanks | Jun 26 12:40 |
mib_i3nb20 | lol this l0de guy is quite the comedian, didnt even know there was an irc show. thanks again! | Jun 26 12:46 |
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techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #KrebsOnSecurity ☞ MyBook Users Urged to Unplug Devices from Internet https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/mybook-users-urged-to-unplug-devices-from-internet/ | Jun 26 13:01 |
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techrights-news | 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 #IRC Proceedings: Friday, June 25, 2021 • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/irc-log-250621/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/26/irc-log-250621/ | Jun 26 13:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Friday, June 25, 2021 | Techrights | Jun 26 13:02 | |
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techrights-news | The European Patent Office (EPO) Articles, Almost 3,500 of Them in Total, Now Listed in Gemini http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/epo-gemini/ #epo #corruption #europe #geminiprotocol #techrights | Jun 26 13:24 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The European Patent Office (EPO) Articles, Almost 3,500 of Them in Total, Now Listed in Gemini | Techrights | Jun 26 13:24 | |
phobos/fn | Hola | Jun 26 13:31 |
schestowitz | 0/ | Jun 26 13:36 |
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techrights-news | Why IRC is Best Off When Self-Hosted (and Large IRC Networks Are Just a Temporarily Convenient Trap) http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/why-irc-is-best-off-when-self-hosted-and-large-irc-networks-are-just-a-temporarily-convenient-trap/ #irc #sharing #freesw | Jun 26 13:48 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why IRC is Best Off When Self-Hosted (and Large IRC Networks Are Just a Temporarily Convenient Trap) | Techrights | Jun 26 13:48 | |
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techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Make your bike smart with Raspberry Pi https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/make-your-bike-smart-with-raspberry-pi/ | Jun 26 13:55 |
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techrights-news | Today in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152706 | Jun 26 14:00 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jun 26 14:00 | |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #surveillance #israel #hypocrisy ☞ #Clearview Forbids Users From Scraping Its Database Of Images It Scraped From Thousands Of Websites https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210618/18343747019/clearview-forbids-users-scraping-database-images-it-scraped-thousands-websites.shtml | Jun 26 14:03 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Clearview Forbids Users From Scraping Its Database Of Images It Scraped From Thousands Of Websites | Techdirt | Jun 26 14:03 | |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Internet #monopolies ☞ Congressman Throws The World's Worst Slumber Party In Order To Destroy The Internet https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210625/09355347057/congressman-nadler-throws-worlds-worst-slumber-party-order-to-destroy-internet.shtml forgot #microsoft h Working for Microsoft? http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/microsoft-attacking-linux-from-the-inside/ | Jun 26 14:05 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Congressman Nadler Throws The World's Worst Slumber Party In Order To Destroy The Internet | Techdirt | Jun 26 14:05 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsoft’s Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | Techrights | Jun 26 14:05 | |
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l0de | Yes hello, l0de here | Jun 26 14:07 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Triller Sues Scam Streaming Site #AccessTVPro For Jake Paul Fight Piracy https://torrentfreak.com/triller-sues-scam-streaming-site-accesstvpro-for-jake-paul-fight-piracy-219625/ | Jun 26 14:07 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Triller Sues Scam Streaming Site AccessTVPro For Jake Paul Fight Piracy * TorrentFreak | Jun 26 14:07 | |
l0de | Can I make some corrections to this article: | Jun 26 14:07 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Steinberg Wins #WIPO Domain Dispute Against 'VST' Plugin Pirate Sites https://torrentfreak.com/steinberg-wins-wipo-domain-dispute-against-vst-plugin-pirate-sites-210625/ | Jun 26 14:07 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steinberg Wins WIPO Domain Dispute Against 'VST' Plugin Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak | Jun 26 14:07 | |
l0de | 1. The term is juped, not duped. https://www.hackepedia.org/?title=Juped | Jun 26 14:08 |
l0de | 2. LRH is a comedy program, this should be made clear at some point if you don't want to mislead viewers | Jun 26 14:08 |
Guest90 | Hi. It's Roy. I see you're in a channel that's not ours. We actually moved to #techrights at irc.techrights.org (the IRC client needs to be configured to connect to it) which is the correct channel to use). This channel is just an anti-Techrights cesspool, hijacked by enemies of Techrights. http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/irc-clarity/ | Jun 26 14:08 |
l0de | \ readers | Jun 26 14:08 |
l0de | lol hopefully this will relay, I don't want to join another network | Jun 26 14:09 |
l0de | someone pass that info to this dude, ty, penis pump | Jun 26 14:09 |
Guest90 | you can also post the same in Freenode:#techrights | Jun 26 14:10 |
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L0j1k | aloha | Jun 26 14:10 |
L0j1k | nice articel | Jun 26 14:10 |
Guest90 | that would msg-relay to irc.techrights.org/#techrights (back and forth) | Jun 26 14:10 |
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Guest90 | but keep language clean pls | Jun 26 14:11 |
L0j1k | i only have clean language | Jun 26 14:11 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Federal Judge Says #FBI Obtained #Twitter Employee's Emails Illegally https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210620/14050147027/federal-judge-says-fbi-obtained-twitter-employees-emails-illegally.shtml | Jun 26 14:12 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Federal Judge Says FBI Obtained Twitter Employee's Emails Illegally | Techdirt | Jun 26 14:12 | |
l0de | lastly please attribute the transcription to its original author if you did not make it. | Jun 26 14:14 |
schestowitz | hi l0de | Jun 26 14:14 |
l0de/fn | 9:06 AM <l0de> Yes hello, l0de here | Jun 26 14:15 |
l0de/fn | 9:07 AM <l0de> Can I make some corrections to this article: | Jun 26 14:15 |
l0de/fn | 9:08 AM <l0de> 1. The term is juped, not duped. https://www.hackepedia.org/?title=Juped | Jun 26 14:15 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hackepedia.org | Juped - Hackepedia | Jun 26 14:15 | |
l0de/fn | 9:08 AM <l0de> 2. LRH is a comedy program, this should be made clear at some point if you don't want to mislead viewers | Jun 26 14:15 |
l0de/fn | 9:14 AM <l0de> lastly please attribute the transcription to its original author if you did not make it. | Jun 26 14:15 |
l0de/fn | I believe the original author of the transcription is Wodencafe | Jun 26 14:15 |
schestowitz | I didn't see the attribute, will correct and add | Jun 26 14:15 |
l0de/fn | danke sehr | Jun 26 14:15 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: I think the bridge now omits techrights-news in freenode side, so that only shows TechrightsBot-tr | Jun 26 14:16 |
schestowitz | I see "duped" twice | Jun 26 14:17 |
schestowitz | both are to be changed? | Jun 26 14:18 |
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schestowitz | weird, XRevan86, I've just checked and only about an hour ago it stopped relaying techrights-news | Jun 26 14:26 |
MinceR | 26 065233 <~schestowitz> MinceR: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/woke-orban.jpg | Jun 26 14:31 |
MinceR | :) | Jun 26 14:31 |
MinceR | 26 064716 < CrystalMath> they're big FOSS | Jun 26 14:32 |
schestowitz | is there such a parallel in absurdistan? | Jun 26 14:32 |
MinceR | how do we know Andrew is referring to the same entities as us? | Jun 26 14:32 |
MinceR | schestowitz: not sure what parallel you mean | Jun 26 14:33 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: I got it all sorted, the bridge lost op when one of my machine LITERALLY fell | Jun 26 14:34 |
schestowitz | MinceR: like orban controlling judges | Jun 26 14:34 |
schestowitz | from the shadows | Jun 26 14:34 |
schestowitz | esp. those who decided on legality of his policy | Jun 26 14:35 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Top #EU Court Rules Online Platforms Are Not Liable For Copyright Infringements Of User Uploads, Unless They Actively Intervene https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210624/02433247051/top-eu-court-rules-online-platforms-are-not-liable-copyright-infringements-user-uploads-unless-they-actively-intervene.shtml | Jun 26 14:37 |
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MinceR | schestowitz: not sure | Jun 26 14:40 |
MinceR | there are many judges that are loyal to him | Jun 26 14:40 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #Nintendo Continues To Make It Hard To Play Classic Games Legitimately https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210625/11275547060/nintendo-continues-to-make-it-hard-to-play-classic-games-legitimately.shtml | Jun 26 14:40 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nintendo Continues To Make It Hard To Play Classic Games Legitimately | Techdirt | Jun 26 14:40 | |
MinceR | and the attorney general, who is a close friend of orban, can pick the court for any case | Jun 26 14:41 |
MinceR | also, the organization that oversees the judges is controlled by fidSS | Jun 26 14:41 |
MrMalcontent | lol even l0de expected Techrights to have migrated to Libera | Jun 26 14:42 |
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techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheNation ☞ #DomesticWorkers Are Using the #GigEconomy [sic] Against Itself https://www.thenation.com/article/society/domestic-workers-handy-labor/ | Jun 26 14:50 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Domestic Workers Are Using the Gig Economy Against Itself | The Nation | Jun 26 14:50 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: thanks for explaining | Jun 26 14:51 |
schestowitz | it might be coming handy soon | Jun 26 14:51 |
schestowitz | When Fixor (Fixer/Ficsor) tries to 'fix' the hearing | Jun 26 14:51 |
schestowitz | I doubt he likes Orban | Jun 26 14:51 |
schestowitz | but that's what would make it burn even more... comparing him to the person we're meant to think he's UNlike | Jun 26 14:52 |
l0de | no, it was just the easiest thing for me to message on | Jun 26 14:52 |
l0de | since the freenode BNC is trash | Jun 26 14:52 |
schestowitz | if you can give me the name of that AG or some article (language does not matter), it can help | Jun 26 14:52 |
schestowitz | we can even do game of words with names | Jun 26 14:52 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, I've gone over a list of questions I might ask to the police in court. | Jun 26 14:57 |
techrights-news | Gemini Database of Places and Restaurants https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006801.html #geminiprotocol #geminispace #smallInternet #Internet #freesw | Jun 26 14:57 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [USER][IDEA] Gemini Database of Places and Restaurants | Jun 26 14:57 | |
DaemonFC | "If this was a speeding case, you would have directly witnessed it and you would have used a device that is calibrated and scientifically proven to register a reading, correct?" | Jun 26 14:57 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: are you cross-examining the cops? | Jun 26 14:57 |
schestowitz | I think you misunderstand the process | Jun 26 14:58 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: tell them their tech was proprietary | Jun 26 14:58 |
schestowitz | and thus the evidence invalid | Jun 26 14:58 |
schestowitz | seems like a tactic in recent years | Jun 26 14:58 |
DaemonFC | I'd continue by asking them if they have such a method of observing the incident from a mile away at a police station, considering that the CIA failed to spy on the Russians in the 1970s using psychic readings in Project Stargate. | Jun 26 14:59 |
schestowitz | DNA testing, blood stain analysis, tooth print etc. | Jun 26 14:59 |
schestowitz | and polygraph and profiling software | Jun 26 14:59 |
DaemonFC | Well, I have the right to. In fact, I hired an attorney so it probably won't get to that point. | Jun 26 14:59 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: eyewitnesses are also a weak form of evidence | Jun 26 15:00 |
schestowitz | unlike cctc | Jun 26 15:00 |
schestowitz | they can be bribed | Jun 26 15:00 |
schestowitz | *cctv | Jun 26 15:00 |
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schestowitz | doctorting footage is harder | Jun 26 15:00 |
DaemonFC | There was no CCTV and the only other witnesses are the people in the other car, who have threatened to sue and obviously didn't want the police to pin this on them. | Jun 26 15:00 |
DaemonFC | So they have every reason to lie. | Jun 26 15:00 |
schestowitz | you could spare all this trouble by temporarily halt driving, as I did... | Jun 26 15:01 |
schestowitz | I told you all this car ownership thing is a huge waste of time | Jun 26 15:01 |
schestowitz | if you were in a taxi, someone else's problem | Jun 26 15:01 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, If this does go south in court, I might give the car back to mom and get around with the bus. | Jun 26 15:02 |
schestowitz | "c ya later skata" | Jun 26 15:02 |
DaemonFC | In three years the accident falls off so they'd never get to charge me higher insurance. | Jun 26 15:02 |
schestowitz | Seinfeld: "good luck with aaaaaaaaaaallll thaaaat" | Jun 26 15:02 |
schestowitz | that's why you hire an attorney | Jun 26 15:03 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, That's pretty much what I did after an accident doubled my rates in 2015, except I didn't give up driving entirely. | Jun 26 15:03 |
schestowitz | because you want to pass that on to someone else | Jun 26 15:03 |
schestowitz | so why not do the same with getting around? | Jun 26 15:03 |
DaemonFC | I switched to per-mile car insurance and then I had the best of both worlds. | Jun 26 15:03 |
schestowitz | taxi is cheaper than an attorney, even if metered for an hour | Jun 26 15:03 |
schestowitz | hour-long taxi about 30 pounds | Jun 26 15:03 |
DaemonFC | I could still get around in the car, _if I had to_, but it didn't cost much because I usually skipped it and took the bus. | Jun 26 15:03 |
schestowitz | lawyers up to 300/hour | Jun 26 15:03 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I paid mine $400 yesterday. | Jun 26 15:04 |
DaemonFC | That's flat fee including a bench trial. | Jun 26 15:04 |
schestowitz | that's 20 taxi trips | Jun 26 15:04 |
schestowitz | long ones, too | Jun 26 15:04 |
schestowitz | last week we took a taxi to a suburb | Jun 26 15:04 |
MinceR | schestowitz: the attorney general is called peter polt | Jun 26 15:04 |
schestowitz | cost 20 pounds including the tip we gave | Jun 26 15:04 |
schestowitz | and we got to the countryside | Jun 26 15:04 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, If I can get him to defeat this entirely, not only do Beavis and Butthead have nothing in civil court later, but my rates don't go up. | Jun 26 15:04 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's Metromile. | Jun 26 15:05 |
schestowitz | MinceR: thanks | Jun 26 15:06 |
DaemonFC | I mean, like, worst case I pay them like $30-35 a month and that gets me insurance for enough miles to get to Walmart and back every day that month. | Jun 26 15:06 |
DaemonFC | That's with an accident _and_ a ticket. | Jun 26 15:06 |
DaemonFC | Start using the bus to go around to other places. | Jun 26 15:06 |
MinceR | np | Jun 26 15:06 |
schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Péter_Polt | Jun 26 15:06 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Péter Polt - Wikipedia | Jun 26 15:06 | |
DaemonFC | Eventually the accident falls off and the ripoff artists at the other insurance companies never got to charge me $130 a month. | Jun 26 15:06 |
schestowitz | "Polt joined Fidesz in 1993. He was a parliamentary candidate during the 1994 general election but did not secure a mandate." | Jun 26 15:07 |
DaemonFC | Butthead, the one that went oh my god my back..... | Jun 26 15:07 |
DaemonFC | I mean, there's plenty of attorneys in Illinois that hand their clients all sorts of ridiculous medical-looking shit and they hobble into court. | Jun 26 15:08 |
DaemonFC | Commit fraud against insurance, and then hobble back out. | Jun 26 15:08 |
l0de/fn | both instances of 'duped' are the word juped. | Jun 26 15:08 |
DaemonFC | I do not like lawyers. | Jun 26 15:09 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Hm? What is it about the bridge not relaying techrights-news? | Jun 26 15:09 |
schestowitz | "the Fidesz supermajority" | Jun 26 15:09 |
schestowitz | what is their majority, MinceR? | Jun 26 15:09 |
DaemonFC | They have attorneys on TV all the time advertising to parasites about how they can get a job for one day and say they got a back ache and then shopping bags appear in their hands on the commercial. | Jun 26 15:09 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: it's OK now | Jun 26 15:09 |
XRevan86 | l0de: hi, I'm curious: what's your opinion of rasengan? | Jun 26 15:10 |
schestowitz | the bridge got de-oped or something | Jun 26 15:10 |
schestowitz | l0de: corrected now | Jun 26 15:10 |
schestowitz | attrb. added at the end | Jun 26 15:10 |
l0de/fn | He's a rich guy who is bored and wrecking some things for fun | Jun 26 15:10 |
schestowitz | debt-rich | Jun 26 15:10 |
l0de/fn | He happened to select a target that had a ton of bad people in it | Jun 26 15:10 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: The op doesn't matter on the freenode side. | Jun 26 15:10 |
MinceR | schestowitz: dunno, but you can check on wikipedia | Jun 26 15:10 |
schestowitz | "king of overdraft" | Jun 26 15:10 |
l0de/fn | it's like a tornado hitting a trailer park full of meth heads | Jun 26 15:10 |
MinceR | schestowitz: iirc it's pretty close to 2/3 | Jun 26 15:10 |
l0de/fn | You don't want to root for the tornado, but you do | Jun 26 15:11 |
MinceR | not sure if above or below though | Jun 26 15:11 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: it was odd generally | Jun 26 15:11 |
schestowitz | like, even when it got op back it took a while to work properly again | Jun 26 15:11 |
schestowitz | maybe totally unrelated to op | Jun 26 15:11 |
XRevan86 | l0de: That doesn't coincide with how things started in 2017. | Jun 26 15:11 |
schestowitz | MinceR: so it's not a functioning democracy | Jun 26 15:11 |
schestowitz | they can pass anything they want | Jun 26 15:11 |
l0de/fn | I believe at some point | Jun 26 15:11 |
MinceR | schestowitz: also, there's a member of parliament who is ostensibly there to represent some minority, but is actually another fideath drone | Jun 26 15:11 |
MinceR | schestowitz: it hasn't been a democracy since 2010 | Jun 26 15:12 |
l0de/fn | a staff member insulted him, whether intentionally or not | Jun 26 15:12 |
l0de/fn | And he is getting equal | Jun 26 15:12 |
l0de/fn | It tracks with the jwheare beef | Jun 26 15:12 |
l0de/fn | his actions are clearly intended to drive out foss people and he largely succeeded | Jun 26 15:12 |
l0de/fn | I don't know what his long term plan is | Jun 26 15:12 |
schestowitz | so now "Freenode is FAUX" | Jun 26 15:13 |
schestowitz | MinceR: thanks, maybe I will do a meme about it | Jun 26 15:13 |
l0de/fn | The thing is there's nothing a troll likes more than people who take themselves too seriously | Jun 26 15:13 |
l0de/fn | And oldnode was certainly guilty | Jun 26 15:13 |
schestowitz | can you get an article about stacking courts for cases having a particular outcome? | Jun 26 15:13 |
XRevan86 | l0de: But he seemed largely upset about driving FOSS out, at first at least. It's clear he's salty about the "betrayal". | Jun 26 15:14 |
L0j1k | that's weird, that's true, how fixated people are on liberia. the one true thing from that articel (among others) is that projects need stability. but it's weird to me how liberia staffers seem to be fixated on this even in rejecting outsiders. | Jun 26 15:14 |
schestowitz | MinceR: Magyar would be OK | Jun 26 15:15 |
schestowitz | this wikipedia 'article' is a puff piece | Jun 26 15:15 |
L0j1k | like you just did the thing where you were the opposite of stability, but | Jun 26 15:15 |
l0de/fn | analysis of his actions needs to weight his heavy marijuana intake | Jun 26 15:15 |
L0j1k | any outliers | Jun 26 15:15 |
L0j1k | zapped | Jun 26 15:15 |
MinceR | schestowitz: this one? >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_(Hungary) | Jun 26 15:15 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | National Assembly (Hungary) - Wikipedia | Jun 26 15:15 | |
l0de/fn | And his relative lack of interest in the whole thing. The freenode situation occupies maybe 5% of his total interests | Jun 26 15:15 |
l0de/fn | It's clearly not intended to make money, seems whim-driven | Jun 26 15:16 |
DaemonFC | Garrett is complaining about Freenode and the GDPR. | Jun 26 15:16 |
L0j1k | that being said, techrights would benefit from being in #freenode on freenode rn, becuase the kind of chats that our peak existence relies on, are happening in that channel rn | Jun 26 15:16 |
schestowitz | MinceR: I seee. "Fidesz–KDNP (133)" | Jun 26 15:16 |
L0j1k | spam and trolling aside | Jun 26 15:16 |
L0j1k | it's the conversation that always needs to be happening | Jun 26 15:16 |
DaemonFC | The easiest way to bypass GDPR is to pull out of the EU completely, ignore it, and then their court rulings don't apply to you. | Jun 26 15:16 |
DaemonFC | I've noticed that many sites don't work correctly anymore, if at all, if I am using a VPN server in an EU country. | Jun 26 15:17 |
XRevan86 | "It's clearly not intended to make money, seems whim-driven" – this is my assessment also. | Jun 26 15:17 |
MinceR | garrett should try resigning, see if it helps | Jun 26 15:18 |
l0de/fn | Xrevan86 - at the same time I would be wary of underestimating him, he's not as stupid as he's leading people to believe | Jun 26 15:18 |
l0de/fn | And there's definitely some greater intent driving him, even if his individual actions may be random | Jun 26 15:18 |
l0de/fn | The liberia official position is now "Ignore lee and l0de and hope both go away" | Jun 26 15:19 |
XRevan86 | l0de: "Millions of people" in freenode? Even the unrelated to the exodus introduction of IRC.com as part of freenode has been a laughing stock. | Jun 26 15:20 |
l0de/fn | I think he's looking at a future where his app has a userbase like discord | Jun 26 15:20 |
l0de/fn | which is improbable but not impossible | Jun 26 15:20 |
XRevan86 | It's pretty impossible. | Jun 26 15:21 |
schestowitz | MinceR: I prepare a meme | Jun 26 15:21 |
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kingoffrance | its not impossible, i just dont see developers chatting on their phones frequently or writing code on their phones | Jun 26 15:27 |
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l0de/fn | I don't think he wants developers | Jun 26 15:27 |
kingoffrance | yep | Jun 26 15:27 |
l0de/fn | those are the people he chased out | Jun 26 15:27 |
XRevan86 | I don't see the Discord audience switching to IRC.com | Jun 26 15:27 |
l0de/fn | the most likely outcome is he'll get bored of this and abandon it half-way | Jun 26 15:27 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Finance ☞ A #sBitcoin Transaction Tax https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/a-bitcoin-transaction-tax/ | Jun 26 15:27 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Bitcoin Transaction Tax - CounterPunch.org | Jun 26 15:28 | |
l0de/fn | and we'll never know if there was some master plan | Jun 26 15:28 |
DaemonFC | I got a portable washing machine. | Jun 26 15:28 |
DaemonFC | The coin-op laundry is expensive and people do disgusting things with it. | Jun 26 15:28 |
XRevan86 | If they suddenly decide that Discord is bad and look for the alternative, they'll just go to Matrix. | Jun 26 15:28 |
DaemonFC | Half the time it's broken, or someone leaves bleach in it and it gets on your clothing. | Jun 26 15:28 |
XRevan86 | … IRC.com is not competition even for that. | Jun 26 15:29 |
MinceR | i doubt an irc-based app will be restrictive enough for the masses to love it like they love shitcord | Jun 26 15:29 |
XRevan86 | It doesn't utilise IRC's strengths, it just tries to mimic the popular kid on the block. | Jun 26 15:31 |
l0de/fn | Daemonfc - just pay a laundromat to do it for you | Jun 26 15:31 |
l0de/fn | Your time is worth more | Jun 26 15:31 |
l0de/fn | I think it's premature to pass judgment on an idea we haven't really heard yet. If nothing else, he has access to the financial resources to do something very large and very stupid | Jun 26 15:32 |
l0de/fn | so I am going to wait and see | Jun 26 15:32 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #patent #patents #monopolies ☞ The Best Defense Against the Delta Variant Is to End #Vaccine Apartheid https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/25/best-defense-against-delta-variant-end-vaccine-apartheid | Jun 26 15:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The Best Defense Against the Delta Variant Is to End Vaccine Apartheid | Amy Goodman | Jun 26 15:32 | |
chunky | irc.com is just kiwiirc appified | Jun 26 15:32 |
schestowitz | it is | Jun 26 15:33 |
XRevan86 | chunky: It's probably not "just kiwiirc" if it has push notifications and such. | Jun 26 15:33 |
chunky | guess that's part of the appification ;) | Jun 26 15:34 |
schestowitz | app becomes app when it disrupts the mind | Jun 26 15:34 |
schestowitz | and won't leave you alone | Jun 26 15:34 |
schestowitz | even in the kitchen | Jun 26 15:34 |
CrystalMath | forgive me but.. | Jun 26 15:35 |
CrystalMath | what are push notifications? | Jun 26 15:35 |
schestowitz | the server notifies a device when an event is triggered | Jun 26 15:35 |
schestowitz | instead of polling the server for updates | Jun 26 15:35 |
schestowitz | afaik | Jun 26 15:35 |
CrystalMath | oh, hmm, but IRC does that all the time, no? | Jun 26 15:35 |
CrystalMath | i mean you get a PRIVMSG | Jun 26 15:35 |
schestowitz | they push this crap also into "modern" browsers, which want to take over your desktop for "information" | Jun 26 15:35 |
CrystalMath | yeah but IRC was designed this way | Jun 26 15:36 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Heard of Firebase Cloud Messaging ? | Jun 26 15:36 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: no | Jun 26 15:36 |
schestowitz | CrystalMath: email worked that way | Jun 26 15:36 |
schestowitz | except email is pull | Jun 26 15:36 |
schestowitz | not push | Jun 26 15:36 |
schestowitz | social control media popularised this cap | Jun 26 15:36 |
schestowitz | *crap | Jun 26 15:36 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: The trick is that it's a single application that maintains a connection to the (Google) server, and some subscribed service sends a message to Google then Google sends it to the FCM client. | Jun 26 15:37 |
schestowitz | [someone you went to school with 20 years ago] liked [something that doesn't matter] in [someone's sister's] timeline [x minutes ago] | Jun 26 15:37 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: yeah but i mean, with KiwiIRC you maintain a connection | Jun 26 15:37 |
XRevan86 | which will be received regardless of whether the recepient application is active or logged in | Jun 26 15:37 |
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XRevan86 | CrystalMath: This removes the need for that. | Jun 26 15:38 |
L0j1k | also lil pump is a popular rapper | Jun 26 15:38 |
L0j1k | "Lil Pump" is his name | Jun 26 15:38 |
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XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Instead only GMS (the FCM client) will need to maintain the connection to the FCM server, efficiently. | Jun 26 15:39 |
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CrystalMath | well tbh i don't know how it works, i guess it's important for phones | Jun 26 15:40 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Phones need to be able to get to "deep sleep", that's the importance. | Jun 26 15:40 |
CrystalMath | yeah | Jun 26 15:40 |
schestowitz | phones are organisms now? | Jun 26 15:41 |
immibis | this also means all your notifications have to go through google's censorware | Jun 26 15:42 |
CrystalMath | tbh i'm so far removed from that technology, you might as well say they're organisms to me | Jun 26 15:42 |
immibis | which google likes | Jun 26 15:42 |
DaemonFC | <l0de/fn> Daemonfc - just pay a laundromat to do it for you | Jun 26 15:42 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: When a PC goes to suspend mode, where is it suspended? | Jun 26 15:42 |
DaemonFC | Oddly, the wash and fold rates aren't much higher than doing it all yourself. | Jun 26 15:42 |
CrystalMath | l0de: i have a washing machine at home and it's at least 35 years old | Jun 26 15:42 |
XRevan86 | immibis: Yes, that's an implication. | Jun 26 15:42 |
CrystalMath | still happy with it | Jun 26 15:42 |
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immibis | google gives you the choice between inefficiency and censorship | Jun 26 15:43 |
immibis | inefficiency and reliance on google | Jun 26 15:44 |
immibis | they could make it so you give the FCM client a list of URLs to poll, but no, it only polls google servers | Jun 26 15:44 |
immibis | that way it would still be efficient because it would poll them all simultaneously | Jun 26 15:44 |
immibis | and vary the polling rate based on battery level and movement, or whatever it uses | Jun 26 15:45 |
XRevan86 | immibis: They don't care. | Jun 26 15:46 |
schestowitz | CrystalMath: they don't make machines like that anymore | Jun 26 15:48 |
CrystalMath | i know, it's 100% analog :) | Jun 26 15:49 |
schestowitz | MinceR: can you check the meme about FidSS? | Jun 26 15:51 |
schestowitz | CrystalMath: makes them easier to repair | Jun 26 15:51 |
schestowitz | mechanisms, not microchips | Jun 26 15:51 |
schestowitz | same reason I don't like cars with too many electric components | Jun 26 15:51 |
schestowitz | it's very rare that you're able to fix them, even if you buy the components online. too fine and no standard | Jun 26 15:52 |
MinceR | schestowitz: yeah | Jun 26 15:52 |
schestowitz | MinceR: http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/fixing-by-antonio-campinos/ | Jun 26 15:53 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPO’s Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) | Techrights | Jun 26 15:53 | |
MinceR | schestowitz: i don't get it | Jun 26 15:54 |
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schestowitz | the courts will never rule against the ruling party | Jun 26 15:55 |
immibis | microchips are fine as long as they're simple enough to replace with your own | Jun 26 15:57 |
immibis | any old fool could make their own washing machine control board | Jun 26 15:57 |
schestowitz | you'd wish | Jun 26 15:57 |
schestowitz | even just getting through to that part is hard | Jun 26 15:57 |
immibis | run motor X for Y seconds | Jun 26 15:57 |
schestowitz | I bet some washing machines already connect to the wifi | Jun 26 15:58 |
immibis | as long as there's no proprietary secret sauce, i don't think they're obligated to go out of their way to make it easier than the default | Jun 26 15:58 |
schestowitz | for gawd knows what... | Jun 26 15:58 |
schestowitz | maybe to send "push notification" to your phone when it's done (hint: you could instead set a time on any phone) | Jun 26 15:58 |
schestowitz | machine repairs can be more expensive than a new machine, except it's very expensive to the environment when they ship and manufacture new ones | Jun 26 15:59 |
immibis | there's your mini-business idea: generic open source washing machine controllers | Jun 26 16:00 |
immibis | sold with instructions like: connect motor to these contacts, pump to these contacts, float switch to these contacts | Jun 26 16:00 |
immibis | reprogram with arduino ide, here is the default program source code | Jun 26 16:00 |
techrights-news | [Meme] The EPO’s Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/fixing-by-antonio-campinos/ #epo #corruption #europe #patent #swpats | Jun 26 16:01 |
DaemonFC | <schestowitz> machine repairs can be more expensive than a new machine, except it's very expensive to the environment when they ship and manufacture new ones | Jun 26 16:02 |
DaemonFC | Yes, I might yet get the Impala repaired. | Jun 26 16:02 |
DaemonFC | There's many used parts floating around. | Jun 26 16:02 |
DaemonFC | It runs fine for the most part despite age and mileage. | Jun 26 16:03 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: it keeps happening at random; some messages from techrights-news do not get relayed across, I cannot see the pattern | Jun 26 16:03 |
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immibis | maybe schestowitz can make a case that his speech is achieving something, but for the rest of us, actions speak louder than words | Jun 26 16:04 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Wildlife ☞ New Bill Would Require Biden to Declare Wildlife Extinction Crisis a National Emergency https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/25/new-bill-would-require-biden-declare-wildlife-extinction-crisis-national-emergency | Jun 26 16:04 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | New Bill Would Require Biden to Declare Wildlife Extinction Crisis a National Emergency | Common Dreams News | Jun 26 16:04 | |
schestowitz | now it relayed OK, XRevan86 | Jun 26 16:04 |
*XRevan86 has no idea. | Jun 26 16:04 | |
schestowitz | immibis: we take actions, too | Jun 26 16:05 |
DaemonFC | I think that they really should bring back trial by combat. | Jun 26 16:05 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Nature ☞ #GreatBarrierReef Wars https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/great-barrier-reef-wars/ | Jun 26 16:06 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Great Barrier Reef Wars - CounterPunch.org | Jun 26 16:06 | |
DaemonFC | There's still references in the law to mutual combatancy, but in effect it means the prosecutor simply doesn't want to deal with it. | Jun 26 16:06 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: reproduced the issue just now | Jun 26 16:07 |
schestowitz | latest message from techrights-news was not relayed to freenode | Jun 26 16:07 |
XRevan86 | what's so special about it… | Jun 26 16:07 |
schestowitz | it did only in "-social" | Jun 26 16:07 |
schestowitz | but not here | Jun 26 16:07 |
schestowitz | and in -social sometimes the same issue happens, maybe freenode does something at its end | Jun 26 16:08 |
DaemonFC | If both sides agree to have a duel to settle an issue, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to. | Jun 26 16:08 |
DaemonFC | What goes on in court is just stupid. | Jun 26 16:08 |
schestowitz | it would be interesting if we could demonstrate lost messages in Freenode servers | Jun 26 16:09 |
schestowitz | (that started happening around 1pm GMT today, first I noticed it...and looked back to verify it did not happen before) | Jun 26 16:10 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut #Unemployment ☞ Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal Could Cut Unemployment Benefits, Experts Warn https://truthout.org/articles/bipartisan-infrastructure-deal-could-cut-unemployment-benefits-experts-warn/ | Jun 26 16:12 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal Could Cut Unemployment Benefits, Experts Warn | Jun 26 16:12 | |
DaemonFC | "However, we're proud to announce that we've completely obliterated the swamp removing the shackles on progress, and now we're sailing blue seas. YaRR!" -Freenode | Jun 26 16:12 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: just now it works, so it's sort of on and off, touch and go... | Jun 26 16:13 |
schestowitz | I'll observe this closely for the coming hours, as it might be a symptom of issues in freenode itself | Jun 26 16:13 |
DaemonFC | "The freenode digital autonomous zone." | Jun 26 16:13 |
DaemonFC | Yes, like when a bunch of black people in Seattle declared that they had seceded from America. | Jun 26 16:13 |
schestowitz | Destruction was not a goal | Jun 26 16:14 |
schestowitz | but a side effect amid incompetence | Jun 26 16:14 |
schestowitz | and failure to comprehend users and communities (collectives) in freenode | Jun 26 16:14 |
schestowitz | and freenode staff, too | Jun 26 16:14 |
DaemonFC | Then they actually had "warlords" roaming the area and people with guns demanding "fees" from people who came through, after they burned down the police station. | Jun 26 16:14 |
DaemonFC | You want a sneak preview of what leftist blacks want for the entire country, it was CHAZ. | Jun 26 16:14 |
*schestowitz notes that less on-topic things will show up here, as freenode seems to be losing messages (maybe) | Jun 26 16:15 | |
DaemonFC | That never expanded to more than several square blocks, but that's what they want everywhere. | Jun 26 16:15 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch ☞ The Paths of Justice for #BertaCáceres https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/the-paths-of-justice-for-berta-caceres/ | Jun 26 16:15 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Paths of Justice for Berta Cáceres - CounterPunch.org | Jun 26 16:15 | |
schestowitz | maybe freenode filters for something? | Jun 26 16:16 |
schestowitz | that first message did not go across | Jun 26 16:16 |
DaemonFC | What mjg59_ doesn't get, I guess, is that this is what he pushes for. | Jun 26 16:16 |
schestowitz | test: ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch ☞ The Paths of Justice for #BertaCáceres https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/the-paths-of-justice-for-berta-caceres/ | Jun 26 16:16 |
CrystalMath | huh? | Jun 26 16:16 |
DaemonFC | CHAZ is what the leftist blacks want. | Jun 26 16:16 |
DaemonFC | The strong prey on the weak. | Jun 26 16:16 |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: all the messages got through as far as i can see | Jun 26 16:16 |
DaemonFC | That's how they treat each other on the streets of Chicago. | Jun 26 16:16 |
immibis | what do you think about FAZ? | Jun 26 16:17 |
DaemonFC | It's idiotic. | Jun 26 16:17 |
immibis | yesterday i commented that you posted 30 messages with no racism, today it's back to 0 | Jun 26 16:17 |
DaemonFC | Anyway, the killing will never stop in Chicago. | Jun 26 16:17 |
DaemonFC | There's always more where those other bastards came from. | Jun 26 16:17 |
schestowitz | CrystalMath: some messages from "techrights-news" do not show up in Freenode | Jun 26 16:17 |
immibis | DaemonFC: also are you saying the black people would win in trial by combat? | Jun 26 16:17 |
immibis | becuase that seems to be what you're saying | Jun 26 16:18 |
DaemonFC | As soon as they're old enough for a gang to stick a gun in their hand, that's what happens. | Jun 26 16:18 |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: most likely a bridge bug | Jun 26 16:18 |
schestowitz | we checked operator status, restarted the bridge | Jun 26 16:18 |
DaemonFC | <immibis> DaemonFC: also are you saying the black people would win in trial by combat? | Jun 26 16:18 |
DaemonFC | Rarely. | Jun 26 16:18 |
schestowitz | the bridge worked fine until now, so maybe the issue is at the network | Jun 26 16:18 |
immibis | DaemonFC: maybe society should educate people better so they've got something better to do than shoot people with guns | Jun 26 16:18 |
DaemonFC | They're a terrible shot. They come up against a white man with the firearms training, and you know exactly what will happen. | Jun 26 16:18 |
DaemonFC | Black people get illegal guns and spray and pray. | Jun 26 16:18 |
immibis | DaemonFC: oh is that why you want guns? Because without them you know black people would win trials by combat | Jun 26 16:19 |
DaemonFC | That's why 90% of the time, they miss what they're shooting at and take out grandma,. | Jun 26 16:19 |
DaemonFC | <immibis> DaemonFC: oh is that why you want guns? Because without them you know black people would win trials by combat | Jun 26 16:19 |
DaemonFC | 20 paces, turn and shoot. | Jun 26 16:19 |
immibis | that barely qualifies as combat. That is to combat what Notepad is to a word processor | Jun 26 16:20 |
immibis | what VBA is to a programming language | Jun 26 16:20 |
immibis | what vendor-lock-in phones are to computers | Jun 26 16:21 |
immibis | "click here to get rich" | Jun 26 16:21 |
DaemonFC | Well, I'm just saying it would make an interesting third option. | Jun 26 16:21 |
DaemonFC | You know, bench trial, jury trial, trial by combat. | Jun 26 16:21 |
immibis | can nuclear weapons be used in trial by combat? | Jun 26 16:21 |
immibis | how about guerilla warfare? | Jun 26 16:22 |
DaemonFC | Gorilla Warfare. | Jun 26 16:22 |
DaemonFC | Eeek eeeek oook ook ook. | Jun 26 16:22 |
immibis | can I get in a submarine and hide underwater until the enemy gets bored? You are glorifying one kind of combat (which happens to be one that you feel white people are good at) and ignoring all the rest! | Jun 26 16:22 |
DaemonFC | Swords, maybe. | Jun 26 16:22 |
DaemonFC | You don't see many of them anymore. | Jun 26 16:23 |
immibis | modern combat is hacking the enemy's smartphone so the battery explodes | Jun 26 16:23 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Wildlife #Nature #Brazil #Bolsonaro ☞ Brazilian Native Peoples Are at Risk of Losing Their Reservations https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/brazilian-native-peoples-are-at-risk-of-losing-their-reservations/ | Jun 26 16:23 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brazilian Native Peoples Are at Risk of Losing Their Reservations - CounterPunch.org | Jun 26 16:23 | |
immibis | modern combat is convincing the judge you should win the case even though you're clearly in the wrong | Jun 26 16:23 |
immibis | modern combat is *bribing* the judge | Jun 26 16:23 |
immibis | modern combat is offering them nearly endless cheap debt until they realize they can't repay any of it and then you repossess their whole company | Jun 26 16:24 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch ☞ We Can’t Fireproof Fire-Dependent Forests, But We can Fireproof Homes https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/we-cant-fireproof-fire-dependent-forests-but-we-can-fireproof-homes/ | Jun 26 16:24 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-We Can’t Fireproof Fire-Dependent Forests, But We can Fireproof Homes - CounterPunch.org | Jun 26 16:24 | |
MinceR | 26 171640 < DaemonFC> The strong prey on the weak. | Jun 26 16:24 |
MinceR | that's what the state does too | Jun 26 16:25 |
immibis | modern combat is finding the specific trucks carrying their computers and preinstalling RATs on them | Jun 26 16:25 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheNation #Incarceration #MassIncarceration #US ☞ Building the #PrisonToCollege Pipeline https://www.thenation.com/article/society/prison-education-college/ | Jun 26 16:25 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Building the Prison-to-College Pipeline | The Nation | Jun 26 16:25 | |
MinceR | 26 172143 < immibis> can nuclear weapons be used in trial by combat? | Jun 26 16:25 |
immibis | DaemonFC: why do you get to decide what is combat? | Jun 26 16:25 |
MinceR | yes\ | Jun 26 16:25 |
MinceR | s/.$// | Jun 26 16:25 |
immibis | [Sed] <MinceR> yes | Jun 26 16:26 |
MinceR | it's very simple | Jun 26 16:26 |
immibis | 2A gives me the right to have nuclear weapons | Jun 26 16:26 |
MinceR | once only one party of the conflict survives, there's no conflict anymore | Jun 26 16:26 |
MinceR | immibis: indeed | Jun 26 16:26 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #health #nutrition ☞ Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to #Water and #Sanitation https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/infrastructure-wars-ii-on-the-human-right-to-water-and-sanitation/ | Jun 26 16:26 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to Water and Sanitation - CounterPunch.org | Jun 26 16:26 | |
MinceR | (also if no party of the conflict survives) | Jun 26 16:26 |
immibis | the only question is whether FC considers them a valid form of combat | Jun 26 16:26 |
DaemonFC | https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/072000050K32-4f.htm | Jun 26 16:26 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ilga.gov | 720 ILCS 5/32-4f | Jun 26 16:26 | |
MinceR | Future Crew? | Jun 26 16:27 |
DaemonFC | Illinois does have an anti-sovereign citizen law. | Jun 26 16:27 |
DaemonFC | Sovereign citizens tend to file false liens against public officials as a form of harassment. | Jun 26 16:27 |
MinceR | they needed an extra law for that? | Jun 26 16:27 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: I think I start to see a pattern. If the message has about 5 #hashtags in it, it won't be showing up in freenode | Jun 26 16:27 |
schestowitz | but it does, for now, relay OK to #boycottnovell-social aat Freenode | Jun 26 16:28 |
XRevan86 | #one #odd #and #peculiar #why #would #it #do #that | Jun 26 16:28 |
XRevan86 | probably spam detection | Jun 26 16:28 |
MinceR | yeah | Jun 26 16:28 |
schestowitz | yes, heuristics | Jun 26 16:28 |
schestowitz | at freenode's side | Jun 26 16:28 |
MinceR | inspircd has spamfilter | Jun 26 16:28 |
schestowitz | would be worth doing a post about it | Jun 26 16:29 |
MinceR | ircops can add regexen and what to do with messages that match them | Jun 26 16:29 |
schestowitz | pls don't mind me stress testing it for patterns with actual news that's not so TECH-rights | Jun 26 16:29 |
MinceR | it's very handy against the spambots nowadays | Jun 26 16:29 |
immibis | DaemonFC: gross. It should apply to all people, not just judges! | Jun 26 16:29 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Environment #politics #climate ☞ House Passes Resolution to Reverse 'Reckless' Trump-Era #Methane Rule https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/25/house-passes-resolution-reverse-reckless-trump-era-methane-rule | Jun 26 16:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | House Passes Resolution to Reverse 'Reckless' Trump-Era Methane Rule | Common Dreams News | Jun 26 16:30 | |
immibis | and it should fall under some more general law about false legal information | Jun 26 16:30 |
immibis | like fraud or whatever | Jun 26 16:30 |
techrights-news | "This is the same Ronny Jackson who was WH physician to Trump, G W Bush, and Barack Obama, the same Ronny Jackson nominated by Trump to serve as secretary of Veterans Affairs before allegations arose about Jackson’s on-the-job drinking and workplace hostility." https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/state-of-matter/ | Jun 26 16:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-State of Matter - CounterPunch.org | Jun 26 16:32 | |
schestowitz | maybe the block is on the domain, not hashtag | Jun 26 16:33 |
immibis | your domains have been unpersoned | Jun 26 16:33 |
techrights-news | "no matter what political party or ideology, it seems to be as rampant as the Covid-19 virus." https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/government-be-gone/ | Jun 26 16:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Government Be Gone! - CounterPunch.org | Jun 26 16:34 | |
schestowitz | maybe freenode blocked counterpunch? | Jun 26 16:34 |
schestowitz | it's a leftist site | Jun 26 16:34 |
schestowitz | let's check the pattern backwards | Jun 26 16:34 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Does it ignore TechrightsBot-tr? | Jun 26 16:35 |
schestowitz | if freenode blacklists some news sites, under some conditions, then I think if it's not domain rate-limiting, it's a red flag | Jun 26 16:35 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: no, as thst bot does not contain links, just headlines/<title> | Jun 26 16:35 |
MinceR | https://docs.inspircd.org/3/modules/filter/ | Jun 26 16:36 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.inspircd.org | Module Details: filter (v3) - InspIRCd Documentation | Jun 26 16:36 | |
XRevan86 | (15:26:47) techrights-news: ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #health #nutrition ☞ Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to #Water and #Sanitation https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/infrastructure-wars-ii-on-the-human-right-to-water-and-sanitation/ | Jun 26 16:36 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to Water and Sanitation - CounterPunch.org | Jun 26 16:36 | |
XRevan86 | Did my message get relayed? | Jun 26 16:36 |
schestowitz/fn | yes | Jun 26 16:36 |
MinceR | (test) trump | Jun 26 16:38 |
XRevan86 | I'll restart the bridge in debug mode | Jun 26 16:38 |
MinceR | that's not it | Jun 26 16:38 |
schestowitz | at 2am my time it dropped every message, about 8 in a row, from techrights-news | Jun 26 16:39 |
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XRevan86 | now it's in debug mode | Jun 26 16:40 |
techrights-news | It is hardly surprising that the #EPO keeps approving European #softwarepatents when #AntónioCampinos infiltrates and lobbies the Boards of Appeal; he’s ‘fixing’ the cases http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/fixing-by-antonio-campinos/ | Jun 26 16:41 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPO’s Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) | Techrights | Jun 26 16:41 | |
schestowitz | let's try CounterPunch | Jun 26 16:42 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #NewYork #NYC #Manhattan ☞ The Development of #RobertMoses https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/the-development-of-robert-moses/ | Jun 26 16:42 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Development of Robert Moses - CounterPunch.org | Jun 26 16:42 | |
schestowitz | that latest post from techrights-news did NOT get relayed (the first one wa) | Jun 26 16:43 |
schestowitz | *was | Jun 26 16:43 |
schestowitz | maybe debugging info will show you why | Jun 26 16:43 |
schestowitz | I think we might have something to write about here, as I never saw freenode doing this before | Jun 26 16:43 |
schestowitz | <li> | Jun 26 16:43 |
schestowitz | <h5><a href="https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/the-development-of-robert-moses/">The Development of Robert Moses</a></h5> | Jun 26 16:43 |
schestowitz | <blockquote> | Jun 26 16:43 |
schestowitz | <p>New York City Parks Commissioner, City Construction Coordinator, and head of multiple city and state agencies and public authorities, as well as Secretary of State of New York in the 1920s, Moses left a monumental, and monumentally toxic, legacy. To be sure, no brief introduction to Moses life and work can adequately describe the unjust and ecocidal mess he’s fixed in place in the layout of streets, in steel and concrete, in highways, | Jun 26 16:43 |
schestowitz | buildings, and bridges, in the New York metropolitan region and beyond.</p> | Jun 26 16:43 |
schestowitz | <p>If you’ve ever visited Inwood Hill Park in Upper Manhattan, or Van Cortlandt Park in the Bronx, or Flushing Meadows Park in Queens, or Lake Belmont State Park in Long Island and wondered why these parks, among many others across the New York metropolitan area, all have multi-lane highways thundering through them, spreading noise pollution, in addition to poisoning the air in spaces ostensibly dedicated to distance from such forces, | Jun 26 16:43 |
schestowitz | the answer is: because Robert Moses, crusader of “progress, growth and development,” wanted it that way.</p></blockquote></li> | Jun 26 16:43 |
schestowitz | those are left-leaning sites | Jun 26 16:44 |
schestowitz | sorry for the accidental paste | Jun 26 16:44 |
XRevan86 | > level=debug msg="=> Send from irc.techrights (#techrights) to irc.freenode (#techrights) took 477.777µs" func=func1 file="gateway/gateway.go:488" prefix=gateway | Jun 26 16:44 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheNation #Psychoanalysis #literature #Psychology ☞ Analysis Interminable: On #JanetMalcolm https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/janet-malcolm-psychoanalysis/ | Jun 26 16:46 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Analysis Interminable: On Janet Malcolm | The Nation | Jun 26 16:46 | |
schestowitz | this one did not get relayed, either | Jun 26 16:46 |
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XRevan86 | schestowitz: I think I know what's so special about techrights-news | Jun 26 16:47 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: It sends the same message to multiple channels. | Jun 26 16:47 |
schestowitz | they both relayed OK to #boycottnovell-social but not this channel, so there is definitely something in the way, either domain name, hashtag, or both | Jun 26 16:47 |
XRevan86 | The #boycottnovell-social message was attempted first. | Jun 26 16:48 |
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XRevan86 | so it's the one that went through | Jun 26 16:48 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut #finance #poverty ☞ #Biden Extends #Eviction Moratorium for One Last Month as Crisis Looms https://truthout.org/articles/biden-extends-eviction-moratorium-for-one-last-month-as-crisis-looms/ | Jun 26 16:50 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Biden Extends Eviction Moratorium for One Last Month as Crisis Looms | Jun 26 16:50 | |
schestowitz | this one got relayed to both | Jun 26 16:50 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut #goldenDawnald #WarOnProtest #RightToAssemble #Dissent ☞ Joint Chiefs Chair Rebuffed Trump's Demands to "Crack Skulls" of Protesters https://truthout.org/articles/joint-chiefs-chair-rebuffed-trumps-demands-to-crack-skulls-of-protesters/ | Jun 26 16:51 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Joint Chiefs Chair Rebuffed Trump's Demands to "Crack Skulls" of Protesters | Jun 26 16:51 | |
*Guest9759 (~Guest97@ip5b4276c1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined #techrights | Jun 26 16:51 | |
MinceR | it's superfluous to send it to multiple channels anyway | Jun 26 16:52 |
schestowitz | I can change that | Jun 26 16:52 |
XRevan86 | time="2021-06-26T15:46:24Z" level=debug msg="=> Send from irc.techrights (#boycottnovell-social) to irc.freenode (#boycottnovell-social) took 134.496µs" func=func1 file="gateway/gateway.go:488" prefix=gateway | Jun 26 16:52 |
XRevan86 | time="2021-06-26T15:46:24Z" level=debug msg="=> Send from irc.techrights (#techrights) to irc.freenode (#techrights) took 148.033µs" func=func1 file="gateway/gateway.go:488" prefix=gateway | Jun 26 16:52 |
schestowitz | but that would not get to the bottom of the issue at hand | Jun 26 16:52 |
XRevan86 | That's the timings on "Analysis Interminable: On #JanetMalcolm" | Jun 26 16:52 |
schestowitz | maybe one needs a delay, or freenode detects that as too fast in succession? | Jun 26 16:53 |
XRevan86 | I can add a MessageDelay | Jun 26 16:53 |
schestowitz | between the two | Jun 26 16:53 |
XRevan86 | Or rather, increase it, it's 1300 milliseconds right now. | Jun 26 16:54 |
schestowitz | like I said, I first noticed this around 2pm today, when it was worst (but has not been fully solved since, either, so I assume freenode changed something) | Jun 26 16:54 |
XRevan86 | cast CrystalMath | Jun 26 16:55 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Also maybe the bot should be op everywhere after all, that may make it more trusted maybe. | Jun 26 16:55 |
schestowitz | it did improve that in social | Jun 26 16:56 |
schestowitz | i think since it got op in -social it has worked OK | Jun 26 16:56 |
schestowitz | except at 3pm: "[14:57] [Notice] -tr-bridge to #boycottnovell-social- [TechrightsSocial/tr] lists.orbitalfox.eu | [USER][IDEA] Gemini Database of Places and Restaurants" | Jun 26 16:57 |
schestowitz | when it worked ok here, but not in -social | Jun 26 16:57 |
schestowitz | very off | Jun 26 16:57 |
schestowitz | *odd | Jun 26 16:57 |
schestowitz | I think that leads to intrigues about potential changes at the backend of freenode, even if just throttling for spam prevention | Jun 26 16:59 |
schestowitz | but this is clearly not limited to one domain and can't be attributed just to hashtags, either | Jun 26 17:00 |
techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▅▅▂▃▃▄▄▆█▅▃▅▅▅▅█▆▃▆▄▅▇▅▆▄▇▆▆▂▂▆▇▅▁ avg(k/sec) 29.10 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▃▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▁█▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 12.36▕ swarm size (avg): 305.63 ⟲ | Jun 26 17:00 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: I want to shut down the bridge for a few minutes to add some user modes if that's O.K. | Jun 26 17:00 |
schestowitz | yes, sure | Jun 26 17:00 |
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XRevan86 | All good? | Jun 26 17:04 |
XRevan86 | I wanted to add +B to it, but also +D, +i and such. | Jun 26 17:05 |
techrights-news | It is hardly surprising that the EPO keeps approving European software patents when António Campinos infiltrates and lobbies the Boards of Appeal • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/fixing-by-antonio-campinos/ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/26/fixing-by-antonio-campinos/ | Jun 26 17:05 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPO’s Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) | Techrights | Jun 26 17:05 | |
schestowitz | the above was not related | Jun 26 17:05 |
schestowitz | *relayed | Jun 26 17:05 |
techrights-news | All our #EPO articles have long been available over #GeminiProtocol (gemini://) and today we have a complete list of all those articles (in gemini://) • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/epo-gemini/ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/26/epo-gemini/ | Jun 26 17:05 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The European Patent Office (EPO) Articles, Almost 3,500 of Them in Total, Now Listed in Gemini | Techrights | Jun 26 17:05 | |
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schestowitz | this one was not either | Jun 26 17:06 |
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XRevan86 | schestowitz: What MessageDelay to put… | Jun 26 17:06 |
techrights-news | #IRC is #freesoftware (protocol implemented mostly using code anybody can deploy and use) http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/why-irc-is-best-off-when-self-hosted-and-large-irc-networks-are-just-a-temporarily-convenient-trap/ | Jun 26 17:06 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why IRC is Best Off When Self-Hosted (and Large IRC Networks Are Just a Temporarily Convenient Trap) | Techrights | Jun 26 17:06 | |
XRevan86 | maybe to just double it… | Jun 26 17:06 |
schestowitz | not sure it's the delay | Jun 26 17:07 |
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XRevan86 | I'll try anyway. Doubling it should be enough if that's the culprit. | Jun 26 17:07 |
schestowitz | I think we might be looking now at freenode backend changes, as we changed nothing at our end | Jun 26 17:07 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #goldenDawnald ☞ It’s Time to Talk About #MichaelFlynn and His Cronies https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/25/its-time-talk-about-michael-flynn-and-his-cronies | Jun 26 17:08 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | It’s Time to Talk About Michael Flynn and His Cronies | Lawrence Wilkerson | Jun 26 17:08 | |
schestowitz | this once got relayed | Jun 26 17:08 |
techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ Meet the Dad Who Tricked Ex-NRA Head Into "Graduation Speech" for Empty Chairs https://truthout.org/video/meet-the-dad-who-tricked-ex-nra-head-into-graduation-speech-for-empty-chairs/ | Jun 26 17:09 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Meet the Dad Who Tricked Ex-NRA Head Into "Graduation Speech" for Empty Chairs | Jun 26 17:09 | |
schestowitz | both the above relayed OK | Jun 26 17:09 |
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schestowitz | I'll try some new free software links | Jun 26 17:09 |
*XRevan86 just had to share the config yesterday, just a day and it's outdated %) | Jun 26 17:10 | |
activelow | is this some anti-spam filter or is freenode censoring? | Jun 26 17:10 |
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XRevan86 | activelow: The measure taken assumes the former. | Jun 26 17:11 |
XRevan86 | seems to be working fine | Jun 26 17:11 |
techrights-news | Yes, #malta should give #ubuntu #gnu #linux a go. Oh, not THAT "Ubuntu"? https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/malta-is-losing-its-way-ubuntu-could-offer-it-direction-colm-regan.882259 | Jun 26 17:11 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-timesofmalta.com | Malta is losing its way. Ubuntu could offer it direction - Colm Regan | Jun 26 17:11 | |
schestowitz | activelow: seems plausible around 2pm my time they tweaked something | Jun 26 17:12 |
schestowitz | and basically dropped some messages | Jun 26 17:12 |
schestowitz | what we do not is akin to reverse engineering | Jun 26 17:12 |
schestowitz | because we do not know what change, if anything, at the back end there | Jun 26 17:13 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: If it stopped happening, then we can assume that we do know what changed :) | Jun 26 17:13 |
techrights-news | #gnu #linux sites really ought to stop relaying #microsoft #vapourware about #visat11 and try to concentrate on what Microsoft likely looks to distract from, e.g. collapse of the Gates Foundation and http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/microsoft-attacking-linux-from-the-inside/ | Jun 26 17:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsoft’s Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | Techrights | Jun 26 17:14 | |
schestowitz | XRevan86: yes, we can write about that too | Jun 26 17:15 |
schestowitz | they could delay the relay at their endd | Jun 26 17:15 |
schestowitz | instead of nuking messages | Jun 26 17:15 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Their intention is not to slow down the messages, it's to prevent multi-channel spam. | Jun 26 17:15 |
schestowitz | yes, maybe they had issues like that | Jun 26 17:18 |
schestowitz | mind you, it worked fine for years | Jun 26 17:18 |
XRevan86 | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c4040b6c updated config | Jun 26 17:19 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone | Jun 26 17:19 | |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Good thing ye moved techrights-news over :). Otherwise, ye would've had needed to make these changes in it. | Jun 26 17:22 |
XRevan86 | that was an overly convoluted sentence from me | Jun 26 17:27 |
techrights-news | #Huawei dev scolded for pointless #Linux kernel code contributions • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152707 #Kernel #China #TuxMachines | Jun 26 17:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Huawei dev scolded for pointless Linux kernel code contributions | Tux Machines | Jun 26 17:34 | |
DaemonFC | The eviction moratorium needs to end. | Jun 26 17:36 |
schestowitz | LOL, they still call it "moratorium" | Jun 26 17:36 |
DaemonFC | If people can't pay their bills, they need to file bankruptcy already and then get started paying their rent going forward. | Jun 26 17:36 |
terps | there is literally no properties for rent right now in my area | Jun 26 17:36 |
terps | all being squatted | Jun 26 17:36 |
schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_moratorium_on_the_death_penalty | Jun 26 17:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | United Nations moratorium on the death penalty - Wikipedia | Jun 26 17:37 | |
schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moratorium_to_End_the_War_in_Vietnam | Jun 26 17:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam - Wikipedia | Jun 26 17:37 | |
terps | been looking for a cheap rental closer to my work so I don't have to commute so much | Jun 26 17:37 |
schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_delayed_is_justice_denied | Jun 26 17:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Justice delayed is justice denied - Wikipedia | Jun 26 17:37 | |
schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_deepwater_drilling_moratorium | Jun 26 17:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 2010 United States deepwater drilling moratorium - Wikipedia | Jun 26 17:37 | |
immibis | welcome to the modern real estate market. which the left has been complaining about for *years* | Jun 26 17:37 |
terps | how about a diarhea moratorium | Jun 26 17:37 |
terps | it's not the real estate market it's because no1 can be evicted | Jun 26 17:38 |
schestowitz | not a good idea | Jun 26 17:38 |
terps | all the rentals are being squatted | Jun 26 17:38 |
terps | the real estate market here is doing OK | Jun 26 17:38 |
immibis | just buy one then | Jun 26 17:38 |
schestowitz | you can burst intestines or inflame them | Jun 26 17:38 |
terps | right but this is the root cause administration | Jun 26 17:38 |
terps | put a moratorium on diarhea and investigate the root cause | Jun 26 17:39 |
terps | then do nothing | Jun 26 17:39 |
terps | and hope it works | Jun 26 17:39 |
schestowitz | some tent concessions were made | Jun 26 17:39 |
terps | then when it doesn't | Jun 26 17:39 |
schestowitz | just to keep tenants in | Jun 26 17:39 |
terps | blame white supremacists | Jun 26 17:39 |
schestowitz | it's a class issue | Jun 26 17:39 |
terps | yep | Jun 26 17:40 |
schestowitz | nobody seems to be turning this into a race issue | Jun 26 17:40 |
terps | we've gone from capitalism to corporatism | Jun 26 17:40 |
schestowitz | except your straw man | Jun 26 17:40 |
schestowitz | here in the UK there's a company called Gentoo | Jun 26 17:40 |
immibis | "that wasn't real capitalism" | Jun 26 17:40 |
schestowitz | I see it coming up in my rss feeds | Jun 26 17:40 |
schestowitz | they own tons of houses | Jun 26 17:40 |
schestowitz | like tens of thousands | Jun 26 17:40 |
activelow | uhm, in germany it was "the left" who sold public state-owned real estate in Berlin for example, and elsewhere | Jun 26 17:40 |
schestowitz | so landlords are now corporationsd | Jun 26 17:40 |
terps | yeah we have the same thing going on here | Jun 26 17:41 |
schestowitz | and farmland owned by a famous criminal called Bill Gates | Jun 26 17:41 |
immibis | activelow: was it? now the left is trying to buy it back | Jun 26 17:41 |
terps | bill gates buying up all the farmland blackrock buying up all the homes | Jun 26 17:41 |
activelow | immibis: yes, the left did it. | Jun 26 17:41 |
terps | it's clearly an attack on the classes and all this racial division crap is meant to distract us from it | Jun 26 17:41 |
immibis | schestowitz: corporations owned by other corporations owned by other corporations. when traced back it's probably millions or tens of millions | Jun 26 17:41 |
schestowitz | privatisation is not a lefist thing | Jun 26 17:41 |
schestowitz | it's a corporate party thing, like Tories in UK | Jun 26 17:41 |
immibis | activelow: were nazis leftists? just checking | Jun 26 17:42 |
activelow | and, it was "the left" who called for uncontrolled mass immigration into the cities without required real-estate regulations in place | Jun 26 17:42 |
schestowitz | Dehomag was to the left of Hitler :-) | Jun 26 17:42 |
immibis | activelow: this always makes me laugh internally because the right proposes regulating the free market | Jun 26 17:42 |
activelow | immibis: please skip this nazi quackery, this political party ceased to exist in 1945 | Jun 26 17:42 |
immibis | activelow: but were they leftists? | Jun 26 17:43 |
terps | thing is racism isn't a problem at all in america | Jun 26 17:43 |
terps | ppl act like this is the most racist era in american history | Jun 26 17:43 |
terps | meanwhile at one point 5% of americans were active KKK members | Jun 26 17:43 |
immibis | "not the worst in history" != "not a problem" | Jun 26 17:43 |
terps | and that number is down to like 5k people or .00001% of the population or something like that | Jun 26 17:44 |
activelow | immibis: who? the nsdap was in essence the "workers' party" | Jun 26 17:44 |
terps | racism is literally at an all time low | Jun 26 17:44 |
terps | and then they start this divisive racial narrative | Jun 26 17:44 |
terps | and suddenly it's on the upturn | Jun 26 17:44 |
terps | because that was the intended consequence | Jun 26 17:44 |
terps | distract the proles from the banks and wallstreet | Jun 26 17:45 |
terps | and turn them on each other | Jun 26 17:45 |
schestowitz | anyway, back to tech | Jun 26 17:45 |
immibis | activelow: is that a yes? | Jun 26 17:45 |
schestowitz | we have a channel called #boycottnovell-social historically for this purpose | Jun 26 17:45 |
techrights-news | This old bullshit about light shifts is making a comeback. It's not totally baseless, but hyped up again. https://www.maketecheasier.com/schedule-blue-light-filter-android/ | Jun 26 17:46 |
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terps | I mean it's 40 people here and 10% of those are active | Jun 26 17:47 |
terps | are we really trashing the channel with off topic chat? lol | Jun 26 17:47 |
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terps | that's the problem with society these days | Jun 26 17:48 |
terps | it's too easy to live | Jun 26 17:48 |
terps | no real threats other than other people | Jun 26 17:48 |
terps | so we're more prone to make a huge issue out of things that aren't | Jun 26 17:48 |
terps | while ignoring things too long until they become an issue because we're comfortable | Jun 26 17:48 |
techrights-news | If you wan to fall asleep, turn the darn thing off and let the mind 'switch off'. None of that "light shift" aura hooey... | Jun 26 17:49 |
immibis | i think the idea is the blue light hinders your sleeping even for a while after you turn it off | Jun 26 17:49 |
terps | I don't believe any of that | Jun 26 17:50 |
terps | had a blue nightlight growing up slept like a baby I can sleep in the sun in the morning or at sunset | Jun 26 17:50 |
techrights-news | Cover it with tape, instead. #mozilla #firefox isn't trustworthy anymore. It has proprietary blobs and is fiscally run by #google https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2021/06/how-to-disable-camera-permanently-on-firefox-browser.html | Jun 26 17:50 |
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immibis | you'd be surprised how many weird mechanisms biology has evolved that don't make much sense, but work in their specific context | Jun 26 17:51 |
activelow | for me this was an issue for almost two decades now, to rent some office space for example, a tiny lab and such, to at least safely store my books somewhere | Jun 26 17:51 |
samiamsam | well the blue light is closer to sunlight and so it keeps you up more like sunlight does | Jun 26 17:51 |
terps | I think a lot of the things in our diet and lack of activity are more to blame for difficulty sleeping than the color of light emitted by our displays | Jun 26 17:51 |
immibis | you would think that A && (B || C || D) && (E || F) -> X, but it's actually just Y -> X, where Y happens to usually match A && (B || C || D) && (E || F) | Jun 26 17:51 |
immibis | example: your breathing reflex is triggered by high CO2, not low O2. In a low-O2 environment, you're perfectly able to expel CO2 and you don't notice the lack of O2 until you pass out | Jun 26 17:52 |
terps | go for a run do a few pushups take a shower and lay down and do basic meditation counting your breathes | Jun 26 17:52 |
terps | if you don't fall asleep you have a genetic or dietary issue imo | Jun 26 17:52 |
samiamsam | dude what are you talking about. exercise right before bed is going to keep you up | Jun 26 17:53 |
terps | for me it's caffeine | Jun 26 17:53 |
terps | lol what no | Jun 26 17:53 |
terps | the shower relaxes | Jun 26 17:53 |
terps | look at lions if evolutionary theory is correct which I believe it is we evolved in a much similar environment to them for the majority of our history and they have no problem sleeping at midday | Jun 26 17:55 |
terps | the light isn't the issue | Jun 26 17:55 |
samiamsam | you need to look at real data not just make up theories based on evolutionary theory | Jun 26 17:55 |
terps | idk I just think people don't get enough exercise and consume to many stimulants that's why they can't sleep | Jun 26 17:56 |
terps | *too | Jun 26 17:57 |
terps | we live in a society of instant gratification and a lot of us push those dosing buttons in our brains way too much | Jun 26 17:58 |
terps | I go to sleep every night watching a monitor a meter away from my face | Jun 26 17:58 |
immibis | terps: lions have different evolution making them sleep at midday, then | Jun 26 17:59 |
terps | you've never fallen asleep in the sun? | Jun 26 17:59 |
immibis | terps: lions have different evolutionary pressures from humans. Otherwise you could say, since we evolved in a similar environment to lions, why can't we roar? | Jun 26 17:59 |
terps | If I wasn't german and irish I would do it all the time | Jun 26 17:59 |
terps | I don't tan I just turn red and get more moles and freckles | Jun 26 18:00 |
terps | I can't think of a single animal from the african plains that doesn't sleep during the day sometimes | Jun 26 18:02 |
terps | idk I just feel like there's more historical and evolutionary evidence for light not being an issue and for every study you find that says it is you can find another that says it isn't | Jun 26 18:03 |
immibis | job: seems a bit useless to me. I'd rather see federated identities and federated channels. Not Matrix, which has distributed channels | Jun 26 18:04 |
immibis | job: IRC trusts all servers | Jun 26 18:04 |
terps | like I said some have a gene maybe, some have diet/exercise issues, and some just lack discipline. | Jun 26 18:04 |
immibis | your idea means if I want to create #linux I can just create a server and create #linux on that server. Then, I can do whatever I want such as banning all non-windows discussion | Jun 26 18:04 |
immibis | I can even register all dictionary words | Jun 26 18:05 |
immibis | but if it had to be #linux@immibis.com, that would be less of a concern, because someone else could make a #linux@tilde.team and spread word around that it's a better one. But then there would be duplicate channels | Jun 26 18:05 |
immibis | perhaps you have trust relationships regarding channel names, so someone on immibis.com who joins #linux joins #linux@immibis.com by default, and someone on tilde.team joins #linux@tilde.team by default, and someone on foobar.com *also* joins #linux@tilde.team by default | Jun 26 18:06 |
immibis | but that's probably more confusing than useful | Jun 26 18:07 |
immibis | I wanted to try matrix but then I read it had decentralized channels | Jun 26 18:09 |
terps | noise I can understand | Jun 26 18:09 |
terps | I suffer from hyper vigilance and any noise that's out of the norm while I'm sleeping will have me wide awake | Jun 26 18:10 |
activelow | anyway, this was a highly relevant issue after 1990, in east germany, when public real-estate and ownership of companies was transferred | Jun 26 18:13 |
activelow | all Universities executives replaced with minions of USA (CDU), university publishers sold | Jun 26 18:15 |
activelow | immibis: since "the left" sailing under false flag often ("pirate party" "eco activists" and all that) "befriends" with software people let may say it is a challenge to find worse enemies than such "friends" of free software and science | Jun 26 18:16 |
activelow | essentially the ruling entities in germany are ALL minions of USA (atlantik brücke): newspapers, publishers, politicians who agitate in the interest of washington and who lobbies for particular interests there | Jun 26 18:20 |
activelow | privatisation of telco to strengthen USA dominated monopolies was one consequence | Jun 26 18:21 |
terps | yeah because now the feds listen and the telcos sell your metadata | Jun 26 18:22 |
activelow | feds? | Jun 26 18:22 |
terps | like my instance I can use my ISPs dns and it's trash and they likely log it for purposes | Jun 26 18:22 |
immibis | terps: humans also sleep during the day sometimes. look up "siesta". it's not obligatory for humans | Jun 26 18:22 |
terps | or I can use what cloudflare which is great but they're also not trustworthy | Jun 26 18:23 |
immibis | "As for the origins of the practice in Spain, the scorching summer heat predominant mostly in the South is thought to have motivated those doing agrarian work to take a break to avoid the hottest part of the day. " | Jun 26 18:24 |
immibis | probably the same reason lions do it. it's hot, so don't generate heat | Jun 26 18:24 |
activelow | in east-germany universities and industry did establish *autark* chip manufacturing, it was independent from USA and Asian manufacturing | Jun 26 18:41 |
activelow | after 1990 scientists were transferred into social welfare programs to receive minimum wage at least, for their research | Jun 26 18:45 |
activelow | BMW car manufacturer is interesting too, it is mislabeled, it should have been Wartburg brand. Texas Instruments in German schools? Should have been Robotron. | Jun 26 18:47 |
activelow | Harley Davidson engine? It is Rotax ones. It is a long list of such. | Jun 26 18:48 |
activelow | Eradicated from history books as if the entire country, their people, their companies never existed. | Jun 26 18:49 |
activelow | Including the currency, which is Deutsche Mark, not some toy money. | Jun 26 18:55 |
gustaf | nothing on Wikipedia about a connection between H-D and Rotax | Jun 26 18:57 |
gustaf | which is an Austrian brand originally ] | Jun 26 18:57 |
gustaf | H-D are famously backwards when it comes to engineering | Jun 26 18:57 |
gustaf | very American that way | Jun 26 18:57 |
activelow | Rotax is Saxony East-Germany | Jun 26 18:57 |
gustaf | at least vehicular | Jun 26 18:57 |
gustaf | ok Wikipedia is wrong then | Jun 26 18:58 |
gustaf | ``The company was founded in 1920 in Dresden, Germany, as ROTAX-WERK AG. In 1930, it was taken over by Fichtel & Sachs and transferred its operations to Schweinfurt, Germany. Operations were moved to Wels, Austria, in 1943 and finally to Gunskirchen, Austria, in 1947.'' | Jun 26 18:58 |
terps | yeah HD looks at everything that makes a bike great and goes "yeah we're doing the opposite of that" | Jun 26 18:59 |
gustaf | Canadian since 1970 | Jun 26 18:59 |
activelow | another remarkable "transfer" in recent years was Takraf Germany, it is now in the hands of some Italian money people | Jun 26 18:59 |
techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▆▃▄▅▅▅▃▆▄▃▆▅▂▆▃▅▆▇▅▆▃▅▆▇▅▆▆▅▅▄▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 26.38 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▃▂▃█▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▃▁▂▂▁▁▂▃▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 14.71▕ swarm size (avg): 305.64 ⟲ | Jun 26 19:00 |
gustaf | Techint? that's basically engineering | Jun 26 19:00 |
activelow | Mafia | Jun 26 19:05 |
gustaf | that's a very retrograde, almost racist, view of Italians | Jun 26 19:07 |
activelow | maybe, at leat their affiliates restored some old real-estate in small east-german towns | Jun 26 19:09 |
activelow | italian restaurants | Jun 26 19:09 |
activelow | in any case i couldn't at least afford to rent some small office, a lab space or anything, to store my books safely somewhere | Jun 26 19:13 |
activelow | next autumn then i am allowed to vote in this new democracy USA blessed me with in germany | Jun 26 19:14 |
gustaf | you mean the Bundesrepublik? | Jun 26 19:15 |
gustaf | which is like 70+ years old now? | Jun 26 19:15 |
activelow | Leipzig University is more than 1000 years old, it is among the oldest world wide | Jun 26 19:16 |
gustaf | Bologna is older I believe | Jun 26 19:16 |
gustaf | 1088 | Jun 26 19:17 |
activelow | 1409, the monastry predating the university and Leipzig city is mentioned in historical records since year 900 | Jun 26 19:19 |
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techrights-news | Linux 5.14 Set To See Many New Features, New GPU Support, Other Exciting Changes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152707#comment-30064 | Jun 26 19:55 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Huawei dev scolded for pointless Linux kernel code contributions | Tux Machines | Jun 26 19:55 | |
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techrights-news | ...what an absolutely horrible idea! For so many reasons https://idroot.us/install-lamp-stack-windows-10-wsl/ | Jun 26 20:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-idroot.us | How To Install LAMP Stack on Windows 10 WSL - idroot | Jun 26 20:01 | |
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techrights-news | Top 5 Interesting and Funny Commands on #GNU #Linux (Fun Terminal) https://lateweb.info/top-5-interesting-and-funny-commands-on-linux-fun-terminal/ | Jun 26 20:05 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lateweb.info | Top 5 Interesting and Funny Commands on Linux (Fun Terminal) | Jun 26 20:05 | |
techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152708 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 20:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 26 20:14 | |
techrights-news | This week in #KDE : Post-Akademy bug blitz • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152709 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 20:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Post-Akademy bug blitz | Tux Machines | Jun 26 20:14 | |
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techrights-news | Too much participation from #gnu #linux channels/sites/bloggers in the #vapourware #googlebombing campaign of #microsoft ... don't help them do this. They distract from catastrophes and blunders, hence the timing. | Jun 26 20:26 |
techrights-news | The State of #Python Packaging in 2021 | Bastian Venthur's Blog ⚓ https://venthur.de/2021-06-26-python-packaging.html ䷉ #Bastianventhur | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/26/#latest | Jun 26 20:27 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venthur.de | The State of Python Packaging in 2021 | Bastian Venthur's Blog | Jun 26 20:27 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 26 20:27 | |
techrights-news | #NVIDIA #DLSS on #Linux is straight-up witchcraft and pulls ever closer to Windows | TechRadar ⚓ https://www.techradar.com/news/nvidia-dlss-on-linux-is-straight-up-witchcraft-and-pulls-ever-closer-to-windows ䷉ #techradar | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/26/#latest | Jun 26 20:28 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA DLSS on Linux is straight-up witchcraft and pulls ever closer to Windows | TechRadar | Jun 26 20:28 | |
techrights-news | Promotion: Knight's Challenge http://blogs.perl.org/users/c_y_fung/2021/06/promotion-knights-challenge.html #chese #perl #programming #deletegithub | Jun 26 20:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Promotion: Knight's Challenge | Moments on Perl or other Programming Issues [blogs.perl.org] | Jun 26 20:30 | |
techrights-news | This #ibm emeritus won't be around in 2040, but he wonders what things will look like after one evil giant, IBM, leaves others like it around https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/06/what-might-the-world-be-like-in-2040.html | Jun 26 20:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: What Might the World Be Like in 2040? | Jun 26 20:32 | |
techrights-news | #elementaryOS Developer Week 2021 https://edw.elementary.io/ #gnu #linux | Jun 26 20:39 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edw.elementary.io | edw · elementary Developer Weekend | Jun 26 20:39 | |
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techrights-news | #RapidDisk 7.2.1 now available https://koutoupis.com/2021/06/26/rapiddisk-7-2-1-now-available/ #deletegithub #proprietarySoftware | Jun 26 20:40 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-koutoupis.com | RapidDisk 7.2.1 now available – Random [Tech] Stuff | Jun 26 20:40 | |
techrights-news | On tail calls and register allocation https://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2021-06-26-13-59_on_tail_calls_and_register_allocation.html #programming | Jun 26 20:40 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.sesse.net | Steinar H. Gunderson | Jun 26 20:40 | |
techrights-news | "Yesterday night #KDE #Akademy 2021 ended after eight fun and productive days filled with talks, BoFs, workshops, discussions and meetings with old and new friends." https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2021/06/26/kde-akademy-2021-recap.html | Jun 26 20:43 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.volkerkrause.eu | KDE Akademy 2021 Recap | Jun 26 20:43 | |
techrights-news | 15 Excellent #FreeSW #Plotting Tools • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152710 | Jun 26 20:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 15 Excellent Free and Open Source Plotting Tools | Tux Machines | Jun 26 20:45 | |
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techrights-news | Oh, gosh. Come on, "Linux" sites... stop helping #microsoft (in blunders and scandals) paint everything with the #vista11 brush. They distract from truly horrible things... and this is just vapourware, as always... | Jun 26 20:49 |
techrights-news | Seems like the term #BigTech (or "GAFA") was 'coined' by #microsoft to mean "large companies other than the biggest criminals out there..." http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ | Jun 26 20:51 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and “Slush Funds” | Techrights | Jun 26 20:51 | |
techrights-news | "I put together a small tutorial for #kiln (a simple static site generator with Gemini support). The goal is to make it easy for new users to get started." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006806.html #geminiProtocol #internet | Jun 26 20:51 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [users] kiln tutorial site | Jun 26 20:51 | |
techrights-news | #GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.12 with GeoClue 2.0 Location Services • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152711 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 20:57 |
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techrights-news | List of Top 5 #CentOS #Linux Alternatives 2021 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152712 #IBM #RHEL | Jun 26 20:57 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | List of Top 5 CentOS Linux Alternatives 2021 | Tux Machines | Jun 26 20:57 | |
techrights-news | #NVIDIA Proposes The Linux Hardware Timestamping Engine • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152713 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 20:58 |
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techrights-news | You have put your firm at the hands of your enemy, enemies of #libreoffice and #opendocument Format, just months after they paid you some money. It's a short-sighted move, history shows. Time and time again... https://twitter.com/wget42/status/1408758556493500423 | Jun 26 21:08 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wget42: @schestowitz At the end of the day, even if GitHub is proprietary software, this move benefits the whole Collabora… https://t.co/BIFbVucS19 | Jun 26 21:08 | |
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techrights-news | #google #youtube has gotten so bad, so toxic, and so competitive, that vloggers just post clickbait nonsense and provocative misinformation (not the only example from today!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfoq-Jb23bE | Jun 26 21:16 |
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techrights-news | #DragonFlyBSD To See Better Low-Level Lock Performance When Heavily Contested • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152714 #BSD #UNIX #TuxMachines | Jun 26 21:22 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DragonFlyBSD To See Better Low-Level Lock Performance When Heavily Contested | Tux Machines | Jun 26 21:22 | |
techrights-news | Events: #KDE #Akademy , elementary Developer Week, and DebConf • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152715 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 21:22 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Events: KDE Akademy, elementary Developer Week, and DebConf | Tux Machines | Jun 26 21:22 | |
techrights-news | #Server : REST, Containers vs Virtual Machine, and #Postgres • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152716 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 21:23 |
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techrights-news | 6 Reasons Why You Should Give #GNU #Linux Another Chance in 2021 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152717 | Jun 26 21:24 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6 Reasons Why You Should Give Linux Another Chance in 2021 | Tux Machines | Jun 26 21:24 | |
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techrights-news | #Krita 5 is Just Around the Corner, Coming with Exciting New Features • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152718 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDE | Jun 26 21:24 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 5 is Just Around the Corner, Coming with Exciting New Features | Tux Machines | Jun 26 21:24 | |
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techrights-news | #Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152719 #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 21:53 |
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techrights-news | #Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152720 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 26 22:22 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 26 22:22 | |
techrights-news | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152721 | Jun 26 22:22 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 26 22:22 | |
techrights-news | Links 26/6/2021: Linux 5.13 Likely Imminent and Huawei Criticised • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/likely-imminent-linux-release/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/26/likely-imminent-linux-release/ | Jun 26 22:23 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/6/2021: Linux 5.13 Likely Imminent and Huawei Criticised | Techrights | Jun 26 22:23 | |
techrights-news | Latest RMS talk: Richard Stallman, Blau Araujo, Paulo Kretcheu, Alexandre Oliva http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ | Jun 26 22:25 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights | Jun 26 22:25 | |
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AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-admits-to-signing-rootkit-malware-in-supply-chain-fiasco/ | Jun 26 22:31 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft admits to signing rootkit malware in supply-chain fiasco | Jun 26 22:31 | |
schestowitz | The media is helping Microsoft's vapourware tactics; sadly, over the past few days we saw more than a dozen so-called 'Linux' bloggers and vloggers playing along, joining a wave of Googlebombing (interjecting the vapourware into news about Microsoft's competitors) | Jun 26 22:33 |
schestowitz | oops | Jun 26 22:33 |
schestowitz | summary of next post | Jun 26 22:33 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: nice | Jun 26 22:33 |
schestowitz | then they blame "Linux" | Jun 26 22:33 |
schestowitz | For taking their malware downstream | Jun 26 22:33 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: When did Аriаdnе write? | Jun 26 22:34 |
schestowitz | write what? | Jun 26 22:34 |
schestowitz | and I see you dodged notifications | Jun 26 22:34 |
schestowitz | you can always check http://techrights.org/irc/ | Jun 26 22:39 |
schestowitz | oh, I see what you mean | Jun 26 22:39 |
schestowitz | I highlighted the wrong person | Jun 26 22:39 |
schestowitz | AdmFubar: | Jun 26 22:39 |
schestowitz | it auto-completed, my bad... | Jun 26 22:39 |
schestowitz | https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php | Jun 26 22:43 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE | Jun 26 22:43 | |
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XRevan86 | schestowitz: Oh, ye noticed? hehe | Jun 26 22:52 |
XRevan86 | Yea, she doesn't like to be casted over nothing, but I have two keyboard layouts, so it's easy to arrange | Jun 26 22:52 |
schestowitz | shuffling around kde settings | Jun 26 23:24 |
schestowitz | plasma icons etc. | Jun 26 23:24 |
schestowitz | it drives xorg nuts, tons of RAM taken | Jun 26 23:24 |
schestowitz | but it is being redeemed now, over time... now sure what that works like that | Jun 26 23:24 |
cubexyz/fn | End of 32-bit support on win11, not that the people here need to worry | Jun 26 23:57 |
cubexyz/fn | also the PS/2 subsystem sometimes is not working on win10 | Jun 26 23:58 |
cubexyz/fn | I come across this sometimes doing computer consulting | Jun 26 23:59 |
schestowitz | vista11 is just vapourware | Jun 26 23:59 |
schestowitz | no need to even discuss it | Jun 26 23:59 |
schestowitz | I am uploading a video about this atm | Jun 26 23:59 |
cubexyz/fn | ok | Jun 26 23:59 |
schestowitz | it's what they want... | Jun 26 23:59 |
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