IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, June 30, 2021

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Carpmaels & Ransford sued for missed appeal deadline - The IPKat

schestowitz

schestowitz

This is clearly annother incident of a client trying to profiteer from mistakes of an agent. It gets worse that the client has deep pockets and feels entitled to world domination. As a rule of thumb, I never take on big clients with high volume, as it comes with demands of low fee and an ego.

DaemonFC

Someone was complaining about a $1,278 ER co-pay and saying they had to pay it because they didn't want to graduate college with dinged credit.

schestowitz

We have to provide some social justice in our response, as there is only so much the law and insurnace companies can do to protect agents. We should decline all instruction from applicants who had sued an agent before.

schestowitz

schestowitz

Laywers acting bad... again

DaemonFC

Of course, what NPR won't mention is that medical debt is scored less severely by FICO these days and landlords pretty much ignore medical debt completely.

Jun 30 00:39

DaemonFC

If she lets it go to collections, she could possibly settle it for half as much, and I wouldn't even offer them that or discuss it with them unless they threatened to sue. It just doesn't make as big of a difference as people think it does.

Jun 30 00:40

DaemonFC

Most debt collectors have thresholds and if you're under that they just never bother to sue you. But they won't admit it.

Jun 30 00:40

schestowitz

I no longer take NPR seriously... since a decade ago

schestowitz

it was defunded

schestowitz

and then run for and by oligarchs

schestowitz

I recently found out Microsoft too started bribing it, not just Bill Gates ('Foundation')

schestowitz

this is corrupt media

bagira/fn

our credit systems is bullshit anyway

schestowitz

see examples as noted in https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cjr.org | Journalism’s Gates keepers - Columbia Journalism Review

schestowitz

not much independent journalism left now

DaemonFC

I wonder what traffic court is using to threaten people with now.

DaemonFC

Illinois removed their ability to suspend your license for not paying.

schestowitz

do they do "plea" "bargain"?

DaemonFC

The credit bureaus don't show civil judgments anymore.

bagira/fn

best thing this generation can do is to completely disregard the existing credit scoring system

DaemonFC

<schestowitz> do they do "plea" "bargain"?

DaemonFC

Yes, but I'm not going to.

bagira/fn

consumer and provider

schestowitz

"yes, I will lie about actually going faster (than I did) to get the lesser sentence..."

DaemonFC

I'm going to plead not guilty, tell the truth, and then either win or lose.

DaemonFC

That guy who is faking a back injury is hoping I'll just pay the ticket or take a deal.

DaemonFC

If you don't, what goes on in traffic court is useless to them in civil court.

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DaemonFC

Even if you're found guilty.

bagira/fn

never plead guilty

DaemonFC

I didn't.

DaemonFC

I also refused to sign the ticket.

DaemonFC

It says on the ticket it's not an admission of guilt to sign it.

DaemonFC

I asked the cop what the difference was. He told me no difference. He'd just write refused if I didn't sign it.

schestowitz

DaemonFC: can you check for typos in http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/survey-server-report/ please?

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Has Become Almost Extinct in Web Servers (and in Servers in General), But the Mainstream Media Rarely — If Ever — Talks About That | Techrights

bagira/fn

yeah it has

bagira/fn

iim surprised that modern security standards haven't started excluding it as a "consumer operating system"

Jun 30 00:46

DaemonFC

"dominated this market"

Jun 30 00:47

DaemonFC

dominates

Jun 30 00:47

DaemonFC

"vapouware "

DaemonFC

"(e.g. Vista 11) we"

DaemonFC

(e.g. Vista 11), we

schestowitz

I spell it the british way

DaemonFC

Without the "r"?

schestowitz

ahhh...

schestowitz

thanks

schestowitz

correctx3

DaemonFC

Books a Million at the Gurnee Mills mall has a lot of magazines that aren't complete trash.

DaemonFC

Including Linux Format.

Jun 30 00:50

Librarian

This one's a rather-funny contrast to the openness of the software-freedom communities. The harder you grip, the more you lose your grip: https://www.frontpagetech.com/2021/06/28/exclusive-apple-making-employees-wear-police-grade-body-cams-in-response-to-leaks/

Jun 30 00:50

schestowitz

eyah

schestowitz

*yeah

schestowitz

well, some thing gloss can compensate

schestowitz

or cost

schestowitz

or a free DVD

schestowitz

but in a superficial society people are meant to judge news channels by special effects

Jun 30 00:54

schestowitz

even if sponsored by some company the channel covers

Jun 30 00:55

schestowitz

Re: favoritism tweets

schestowitz

> This is the Outreachy who tweeted about favoritism, are you able to see

schestowitz

> the tweet?

schestowitz

> https://twitter.com/rsip22/status/982295163841273859

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sorry, you are not authorized to see this status.

schestowitz

schestowitz

> Renata was 32 when she applied for Outreachy so she didn't get the

schestowitz

> benefits that they give to the younger women.

schestowitz

schestowitz

> This is diversity

schestowitz

I guess "followers only"

schestowitz

due to fear of it being seen by the "outside"

http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outreachy as ‘Hush Money’ (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights

activelow

it isn't at least entirely clear to me what Microsoft is. Alot of what is sold by them isn't Microsoft: DOS, OpenVMS, Network-Stack, Skype and so forth

Jun 30 00:58

schestowitz

true

schestowitz

but not new

schestowitz

Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products. It's not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing."

schestowitz

--Arno Edelmann, Microsoft's European business security product manager

schestowitz

(missing that preceding quotation mark, sorry...

schestowitz

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▇▄▃▃▄▅▃▄▃▄▄▅▄▆▇▅▃▅▅▁▃▃▄▅▅▆▃▃▄▄▅▅▆▄▅█▅▁ avg(k/sec) 37.46 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂█▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▃▂▂▇▁▁█▁▂▃▂▂▁▁▁▂█▂▁▁▁▂▁▃▁ avg(k/sec) 57.90▕ swarm size (avg): 307.13 ⟲

Jun 30 01:00

activelow

seems more like it is some strategic operation to take full control. forgot to mention threadx again the most wide-spread spying system on earth: "america first"

Jun 30 01:01

schestowitz

"nato"

Jun 30 01:05

schestowitz

"we're all in this together"

Jun 30 01:05

schestowitz

"help us help you..."

Jun 30 01:05

schestowitz

Japan joined Five-EYES informally

schestowitz

so it's 6+ eyes now

techrights-news

As if it matters, your #Skylake #Chromebook can finally use Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152783#comment-30096

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Too little, too late: Linux app support is finally coming to Skylake Chromebooks | Tux Machines

activelow

probably took a while to implement tapping and spying on that thing

Jun 30 01:07

techrights-news

#KaOS 2021.06 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152835 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDE

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KaOS 2021.06 | Tux Machines

techrights-news

Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152836 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

techrights-news

#PopOS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152837 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux Machines

techrights-news

#Security Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152838 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

techrights-news

#Kernel : Linux 5.14. #Radeon Software for Linux 21.20, and Sapphire Rapids • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152839 #Hrdware #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Linux 5.14. Radeon Software for Linux 21.20, and Sapphire Rapids | Tux Machines

techrights-news

#Ubuntu Getting ‘Major Rebrand’, is this the New Logo? • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152840 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Getting ‘Major Rebrand’, is this the New Logo? | Tux Machines

techrights-news

"The system runs #Linux #Ubuntu 20.04." http://linuxgizmos.com/low-profile-fanless-box-pc-system-taps-comet-lake-s/ #gnu #hardware (back doors in this chipset though, they need to choose better)

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/low-profile-fanless-box-pc-system-taps-comet-lake-s/ )

techrights-news

Links 29/6/2021: Q4OS 3.15, New Absolute64, EndeavourOS Update, and KaOS 2021.06 • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/q4os-3-15/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/29/q4os-3-15/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 29/6/2021: Q4OS 3.15, New Absolute64, EndeavourOS Update, and KaOS 2021.06 | Techrights

techrights-news

#FreeSoftware Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152841 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines

techrights-news

Today’s 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152842 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines

techrights-news

Over the next few days if not weeks #techrights will expand futher in #geminiSpace seeing that #geminiProtocol has many users now. 173,856 page requests so far this month and it grows as the months go by. It definitely caught on. #www still vastly bigger. But stagnating somewhat.

Jun 30 01:17

techrights-news

#Microsoft Has Become Almost Extinct in #WebServers (and in #Servers in General), But the #MainstreamMedia Rarely -- If Ever -- Talks About That http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/survey-server-report/

Jun 30 01:17

Jun 30 01:18

techrights-news

#patent extremist #PaulMorinville calls "fallacies" what it actually true about #patents ("A Recent Senate IP Subcommittee Hearing Demonstrates the Danger of Patent Fallacies"). No, those are not fallacies; #watchtroll is egging on zealots and trolls. #misinformation online. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Watchtroll

Jun 30 01:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watchtroll - Techrights

Jun 30 01:19

techrights-news

#EliMazour in #watchtroll and the glorification of #microsoft #patentTrolls in "Applying Lessons from #IntellectualVentures to Helping Innovative Doctors" (link omitted) http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intellectual_Ventures

Jun 30 01:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intellectual Ventures - Techrights

Jun 30 01:20

techrights-news

Old: #Alphabet Agency 'Gulag' bribes people in order to suck up to #google and not tarnish the image of the #www #monopoly http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/

Jun 30 01:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outreachy as ‘Hush Money’ (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights

Jun 30 01:22

techrights-news

#EPO #patents on #cancer again https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/953563/noxopharm-secures-key-european-patent-allowance-for-veyonda-anti-cancer-drug-candidate-953563.html This won't help tackle cancer; see http://techrights.org/2015/12/26/epo-and-cancer/

Jun 30 01:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk | Noxopharm Ltd secures key European patent allowance for Veyonda® anti-cancer drug candidate

Jun 30 01:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Insensitivity at the EPO’s Management – Part II: Patent Office as a Cancer | Techrights

Jun 30 01:23

DaemonFC

I created a standard user account for the Lenovo Technician with a stupid password.

Jun 30 01:24

DaemonFC

That way I don't have to wipe the drive to let them log in and see if the repair worked.

Jun 30 01:24

techrights-news

"U.S. #Patent 9,923,995 is generally directed to sharing information for detecting an idle network connection between two nodes" = #swpats = #fakepatents https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/6/29/jenam-tech-settles-with-unified

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Jenam Tech settles with Unified — Unified Patents

schestowitz

DaemonFC: is it just hardware repair?

schestowitz

and, if so, why give them any access at all?

schestowitz

self-repair usually worked for me, like buying the missing the components online if you don't need soldering, just screwing around

Jun 30 01:26

schestowitz

warranty is usually lapsed by the time things actually start breaking down anyway

Jun 30 01:27

techrights-news

"So I had another major #email crash with my #syncmaildir setup. This time I was at least able to confirm the issue, and I still haven't lost mail thanks to backups and sheer luck (again)." https://anarc.at/blog/2021-06-29-another-mail-crash/

Jun 30 01:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anarc.at | Another syncmaildir crash - anarcat

Jun 30 01:27

techrights-news

Good performance from England https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnZBO0YCrYw #germany #england #euro2020 #soccer (we're very upset at the density of that crowd... as if #football is more important than containing the virus: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/22/lock-down-again/ )

Jun 30 01:28

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Highlights: Ecstatic England see off Germany at Wembley | UEFA Euro 2020 - YouTube

Jun 30 01:28

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » The Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says)

Jun 30 01:29

techrights-news

Communications of the Boards of Appeal of the EPO Still Controlled by the Office, Which Also Censors Public Input Submissions (Observations) http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/third-world-epo/ #epo #europe #bananaRepublic #germany #corrupion

Jun 30 01:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Communications of the Boards of Appeal of the EPO Still Controlled by the Office, Which Also Censors Public Input Submissions (Observations) | Techrights

Jun 30 01:30

DaemonFC

<schestowitz> warranty is usually lapsed by the time things actually start breaking down anyway

DaemonFC

The USB-C port is glitching out.

DaemonFC

External storage drops off with event 51 or 11, indicating problem with disk controller or during a paging operation.

DaemonFC

Then the drive disappears, Windows says it's not there, and then remounts it.

DaemonFC

I thought it was just the USB stick, but Event 11 happens with the hard disk.

Jun 30 01:32

techrights-news

Top 10 #freesw Process Automation solutions for enterprise https://medevel.com/top-10-open-source-free-process-automation-solutions-for-enterprise/ many need to #deleteGithub

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Top 10 open-source free Process Automation solutions for enterprise

techrights-news

#FullCircleWeekly News #216 https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-216/ #gnu #linux

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fullcirclemagazine.org | Full Circle Weekly News #216 | Full Circle Magazine

schestowitz

DaemonFC: windows?

schestowitz

how old is this machine?

DaemonFC

Yeah.

DaemonFC

Fairly new.

DaemonFC

About 6 months.

techrights-news

#Linux Formerly Affected By An #AMD #KVM Guest-To-Host Breakout Code Vulnerability https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-EPYC-Breakout-KVM

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Formerly Affected By An AMD KVM Guest-To-Host Breakout Code Vulnerability - Phoronix

schestowitz

rianne uses a refurb lenovo lapto

schestowitz

and the only issue is occasional heating in summer

schestowitz

so it beeps a bit, then it settles OK, maybe even throttles down the cpu

schestowitz

(I did not check)

techrights-news

#Laptop Improvements With #Linux 5.14 Benefit Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft Surface Devices https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-Laptops

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Laptop Improvements With Linux 5.14 Benefit Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft Surface Devices - Phoronix

DaemonFC

Yeah, irony is that it's the older one I'll be using until I get this one back.

DaemonFC

It seems to run Fedora 34 okay.

schestowitz

some time next month, as things are calming down, I will write again about the state of IRC

DaemonFC

I compressed the drive with zstd and it has enough space for both me and Mandy to have an account, even with the SSD.

Jun 30 01:39

schestowitz

how big a storage?

Jun 30 01:39

schestowitz

compression slows things down, you might be better off with external magnetic disk

Jun 30 01:39

schestowitz

for files that are not immediately neeed

DaemonFC

512 GB.

techrights-news

Well, #security projects need to #deletegithub because it's #ProprietarySoftware and #microsoft is in #nsa PRISM and generally strives to back-door everything https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/06/29/regula-iac-security/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Regula: Open source policy engine for IaC security - Help Net Security

DaemonFC

zstd doesn't slow it down that much, if any.

DaemonFC

I haven't noticed a difference.

schestowitz

that's twice what I have

schestowitz

I offload large video files to 3 external disks

DaemonFC

I use a WD EasyStore external hard disk to back things up.

Jun 30 01:41

activelow

the microsft azure decline reminds me of the last microsoft minion i was involved with, a company who programmed the website for www.dlr.de (german aerospace website)

Jun 30 01:41

activelow

some weird pp parternship of local bureaucrats, city of munich, etc.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sap-microsoft-embrace-partnership-multicloud-sales-strategy-aws-google-2021-5?r=US&IR=T

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | SAP and Microsoft Will End Sales Focus in Embrace Partnership in June

schestowitz

SAP

https://www.businessinsider.com/sap-microsoft-embrace-partnership-multicloud-sales-strategy-aws-google-2021-5

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | SAP and Microsoft Will End Sales Focus in Embrace Partnership in June

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-cloud-sap-services-teams-customers-whirlpool-2021-6

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Google Cloud Builds SAP Teams to Win Customers Like Whirlpool

schestowitz

Microsoft: 99% hot air

schestowitz

1% tehc [sic]

activelow

it was them who threatened me with incarceration, murderous corrupt cartel

schestowitz

"Microsoft and SAP are quietly pulling the plug on a key piece of their flagship cloud partnership"

schestowitz

so SAP realise it's crap

schestowitz

they work with IBM and SUSE

activelow

strangely in parallel i received the "friendly" offer to be hired by IBM shortly after, in munich

schestowitz

IBM is a bad place to be right now

schestowitz

they get you to train people who replace you

schestowitz

and salaries are not good

schestowitz

on an international scale

schestowitz

while they overwork people

schestowitz

IBM will die

schestowitz

after 100+ years

schestowitz

More people nowadays find out, belatedly, about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehomag?wprov=srpw1_0

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Dehomag - Wikipedia

schestowitz

which harms their image

schestowitz

so IBM now pretends to be "woke"

DaemonFC

I refuse to give Lenovo any other access to my system than Standard User.

schestowitz

smokescreen tactics

activelow

there is various frontlines, such as European "competition" too, some outlet of theirs placed in either Romania or some place else

DaemonFC

It keeps my files off limits.

DaemonFC

Most people seem to just use "reset this PC".

DaemonFC

It would be invconvenient to start over.

schestowitz

DaemonFC: still a bad strategy

schestowitz

Windows has back doors

DaemonFC

My savegame files and stuff are here.

schestowitz

for 'law' enforcement

DaemonFC

Yes, when I sent my HP laptop in for malfunctioning touchpad, they said "Unknown operating system. Can't verify repair.". (Linux. The touchpad worked fine.)

techrights-news

Impact of #microsoft #bribery and #corruption https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ki3VUS_znA see http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why are governments and administrations NOT moving to Linux? - YouTube

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and “Slush Funds” | Techrights

techrights-news

"Hello and welcome to the 418th installment of Linux in the Ham Shack. In this episode, we talk to part of the team from Amateur Radio Digital Communications, a group that emerged from the AMPRNet." https://lhspodcast.info/2021/06/lhs-episode-418-ardc-deep-dive-2/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lhspodcast.info | LHS Episode #418: ARDC Deep Dive | Linux in the Ham Shack

activelow

in the end, i'll not sign any contract ever again, it is completely arbitrary if it is either DT, or IBM or Microsoft

activelow

behind the scenes it is the same corrupt entities anyway

techrights-news

Microsoft's Halo dev site breached using dependency hijacking https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsofts-halo-dev-site-breached-using-dependency-hijacking/ #security isn't the goal at #microsoft http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft's Halo dev site breached using dependency hijacking

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights

schestowitz

activelow: same and overlapping interests

schestowitz

DaemonFC: "Unknown operating system" is not acceptable

schestowitz

it is the most widely used OS

schestowitz

they know it

schestowitz

they look for excuses to appease their bosses with their back room deal

schestowitz

protecting a corrupt monopolist

techrights-news

"To help you get started, this article presents you with the 5 things to do right after installing #openSUSE Tumbleweed." https://www.pragmaticlinux.com/2021/06/5-things-to-do-after-installing-opensuse-tumbleweed/ #suse #gnu #linux

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-5 things to do after installing openSUSE Tumbleweed - PragmaticLinux

schestowitz

I did a scandal over it: https://news.softpedia.com/news/Huge-Computer-Retail-Chain-in-UK-Denies-Warranty-If-User-Install-Linux-463177.shtml

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Huge Computer Retail Chain in the UK Denies Warranty If Users Install Linux [Update]

schestowitz

largest chain of stores here

schestowitz

then they pretended it was all just a mistake and got cocky about it

activelow

another aspect is commercial interests, to funnel cash into soccer, UEFA etc.

Jun 30 01:52

activelow

little surprising ms and affiliates are operating from switzerland, paytv, DMCA and all this

Jun 30 01:53

techrights-news

RMS: "A French court has prohibited hunting songbirds by putting glue on branches. This will help protect endangered species. I find it hard to understand how anyone can want to kill a songbird rather than listen to its singing." https://www.stallman.org/archives/2021-mar-jun.html#29_June_2021_(Songbirds)

Jun 30 01:54

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stallman.org | 2021: March - June Political Notes - Richard Stallman

Jun 30 01:54

techrights-news

Just like in so-called ‘third-world countries’, the top court of the #EPO has only the false promise of judicial independence and they’ve made it very obvious and easy for everybody to see • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/third-world-epo/ ䷉ #Techrights #Europe #corruption #germany | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/29/third-world-epo/

Jun 30 01:55

techrights-news

Mainstream/mass/corporate media does not talk about it, but #Microsoft is losing one of the most lucrative (and potentially profitable) markets while defrauding its shareholders • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/survey-server-report/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/29/survey-server-report/

Jun 30 01:56

activelow

ideally public TV stations simply encrypted their shit (BBC, ARD/ZDF), and no more tax payers money is funneled into this

Jun 30 01:56

activelow

public broadcasting alone is 8billions of cash funneled into an apparatues, which wouldn't at least educate their engineers themselves anymore (Deutsche Telekom closed their last remaining university)

Jun 30 01:57

schestowitz

German published sent me legal threats

Jun 30 01:58

schestowitz

iirc, I published some, too

Jun 30 01:58

schestowitz

and can find that

Jun 30 01:58

*activelow is curious

Jun 30 01:59

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▃▄▄▇▅▅▅▂▃▁▆▅▂▃▃▂▃▄▄▆▆▅▆▇▅▅▂▃▅▃▄▇▆▅▁ avg(k/sec) 23.63 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▄██▃▄▁▁▂▂▃█▁▂▁▂▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂█▂▁▂▁▂▁▇▁ avg(k/sec) 99.53▕ swarm size (avg): 306.96 ⟲

Jun 30 02:00

schestowitz

it's about EPO corruption

schestowitz

and a programme they did about it

http://techrights.org/2015/10/20/preferential-treatment-for-microsoft/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | German Broadcaster on European Patent Office (EPO) Preferential Treatment for Microsoft and Others | Techrights

schestowitz

activelow: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/br-letter.jpg

Jun 30 02:03

schestowitz

"illegal with respect to civil and criminal law"

Jun 30 02:03

schestowitz

to spread the word

Jun 30 02:03

schestowitz

about illegal behaviour :-)

Jun 30 02:04

techrights-news

Threats from German media http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/br-letter.jpg

Jun 30 02:04

activelow

remarkable, BR TV stations is *publicly* funded with tax payers' cash, productions are probably *pubic domain* anyway

Jun 30 02:10

schestowitz

and the money is used to attack sites which expose crimes in Germany

Jun 30 02:15

schestowitz

your tax money at work...

schestowitz

I guess that docu is offline now

schestowitz

so nobody can see what the tax payer paid for anymore

http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/bundestagate-part-20/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag — Part 20: Taking Stock | Techrights

schestowitz

facts buried

techrights-news

A Month of #GeminiProtocol in Techrights • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/gemini-in-techrights/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/29/gemini-in-techrights/

Jun 30 02:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Month of Gemini in Techrights | Techrights

Jun 30 02:24

techrights-news

[Meme] Nobody Will Miss a Web Dominated by #Monopolies That Spy on Everybody • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/monopolies-web/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/29/monopolies-web/

techrights-news

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Jun 30 02:37

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Jun 30 02:37

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Jun 30 02:38

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Jun 30 02:38

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"the way computers work has not changed fundamentally" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290621.html#tJun%2029%2010:15:38

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Jun 30 02:41

MinceR

30 024750 < DaemonFC> Yes, when I sent my HP laptop in for malfunctioning touchpad, they said "Unknown operating system. Can't verify repair.". (Linux. The touchpad worked fine.)

Jun 30 02:48

MinceR

lol

Jun 30 02:48

MinceR

i guess liveusb is too difficult for hp to use

Jun 30 02:48

MinceR

similarly to how it's too difficult to get functioning boot firmware

Jun 30 02:49

hgc

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Jun 30 02:56

techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 30 03:00

cybrNaut/fn

Debian Bullseye breaks connections to onion sites that use SSL2 or SSL3

cybrNaut/fn

someone got it in their head that someone might shoot themselves in the foot and use SSL2 or SSL3 over the clearnet, so they took an action to "protect" us from ourselves not realising the consequences to Tor users

techrights-ipfs-bot

☞ Gemini requests since start of month: 174049 total • Total pages: 35984 • Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 3 weeks 0 days ago

techrights-ipfs-bot

☞ IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.0 GB • TotalOut: 511 MB

techrights-ipfs-bot

☞ New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID

cybrNaut/fn

i fucking hate that nannying shit, usually imposed my some pretentious security motherfucker who thinks they're all knowing about all the ways a tool can be used

techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 30 03:08

XRevan86

cybrNaut: This is so bizarre I don't know what to think.

Jun 30 03:10

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Jun 30 03:11

XRevan86

cybrNaut: I don't think this is a valid complaint.

Jun 30 03:12

XRevan86

No one should be using snakeoil encryption redundant or not. It's just too much of a headache to track it all.

techrights-news

Britain Lost in #Wembley http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/30/wembley-losing-control-of-covid/ #uk #england #euro2020 #covid19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Britain Lost in Wembley

cybrNaut/fn

there is no validity to removing ssl2 and ssl3 on an onion connection

cybrNaut/fn

XRevan86 onion circuits are inherently encrypted e2ee. SSL is not for crypto

XRevan86

cybrNaut: Do ye think OpenSSL knows if TLS is transported through an already encrypted connection?

cybrNaut/fn

no, which is exactly why it was a stupid move to remove it

Jun 30 03:14

XRevan86

So everyone should be connecting to SSLv2 and SSLv3 like it's fine?

Jun 30 03:14

cybrNaut/fn

if openssl knew, then it could be selective in its denial. But it doesn't

Jun 30 03:14

cybrNaut/fn

over onion, sure

cybrNaut/fn

there's nothing wrong with ssl2 over onion

XRevan86

cybrNaut: Change your /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf then

cybrNaut/fn

it's not a config change. It has to be rebuilt

XRevan86

cybrNaut: Oh, it was compiled out, I see.

Jun 30 03:16

*job (~job@bfjdrpzm6v77y.irc) has joined #techrights

Jun 30 03:17

schestowitz

privacyIsACrime(r)

Jun 30 03:17

*cyndaquil (~job@user/job) has joined #techrights

Jun 30 03:18

XRevan86

schestowitz: This is a complaint about no support for broken encryption in circumstances when it's useless and so harmless.

Jun 30 03:18

techrights-news

Updated list of videos in #techrights (past 7 days) http://techrights.org/videos/

Jun 30 03:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Index

Jun 30 03:19

cybrNaut/fn

no, you can't say SSL2/3 is "useless". SSL2/3 has multiple purposes. The crypto purpose is useless, the verification purpose is useful

XRevan86

cybrNaut: Can't ye do it with TLSv1.2?

cybrNaut/fn

not if I don't control the server

cybrNaut/fn

(which is the case here)

techrights-news

Pop!_OS 21.04 Released with New ‘Cosmic’ Desktop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152837#comment-30097

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux Machines

cybrNaut/fn

would be nice if the server would advance, but it's not necessary. Unless of course some cocky developer decides they can "protect" people from themselves

XRevan86

cybrNaut: Can't those who control the server… wake up?

XRevan86

and update OpenSSL

cybrNaut/fn

upgrades are not always trivial

cybrNaut/fn

i've just been forced into an otherwise needless migration because tor project decided to ditch onion v2 prematurely

*schestowitz remembers a few months ago when freenode updated ssl

schestowitz

and then had to reboot ALL the freenode servers, one at a time

schestowitz

massive number of splits for a very long time

cybrNaut/fn

for simple users, migration is simple. I have 10+ apps on life support that take a week to reinstall because code hacking required

XRevan86

Oh, I remember something like that, I think there was a nasty vulnerability

XRevan86

so they've decided to update everything just in case

XRevan86

schestowitz: It didn't leave that much of an impact in my brain, was it significant?

Jun 30 03:24

cybrNaut/fn

it was not a nasty vuln, it was someone getting paranoid about key size, and took it upon themselves to impose something excessive on everyone without knowing the various circumstances

techrights-news

EduExo Pro is an Arduino-controlled robotic #exoskeleton kit that’s now on Kickstarter | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/29/eduexo-pro-is-an-arduino-controlled-robotic-exoskeleton-kit-now-on-kickstarter/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | EduExo Pro is an Arduino-controlled robotic exoskeleton kit that's now on Kickstarter | Arduino Blog

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Kai A. Hiller: Search Bar of Doom • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152844 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

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cybrNaut/fn

some people don't even create onion servers to be anonymous. Sometimes it's just to put up a server without their ISP getting in the way

cybrNaut/fn

Comcast for example has (or had) a "no servers" policy in the ToS of their most basic residential services

Jun 30 03:26

XRevan86

cybrNaut: What… IIRC, it was a NULL dereference.

Jun 30 03:26

XRevan86

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-3449 this thing, right?

Jun 30 03:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-security-tracker.debian.org | CVE-2021-3449

Jun 30 03:27

cybrNaut/fn

that's server-side, and only affects TLSv1.2 (which is still supported in Bullseye)

Jun 30 03:29

XRevan86

cybrNaut: That's to schestowitz because he mentioned freenode's ( Libera's? %) ) server reboot some months ago.

Jun 30 03:30

cybrNaut/fn

Jun 30 03:30

techrights-news

This is the same corrupt #RickJelliffe who took #microsoft #bribes to manipulate #wikipedia for them https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/18/schematron_standard_paywall/ #osi = #corruption http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ISO

Jun 30 03:31

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Open standard but not open access: Schematron author complains about ISO paywall • The Register

Jun 30 03:31

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ISO - Techrights

Jun 30 03:31

XRevan86

Congrats to Libera on reaching 45K online users.

schestowitz

just same old staff regaining or retaining old users

schestowitz

maybe 70% of them

XRevan86

regaining, yes

schestowitz

not much of a thing

schestowitz

they split the network

schestowitz

at the moment there are 30 users in LC techrights

schestowitz

dead channel, hardly a thing since Sunday

schestowitz

52 users in freenode and more activity there

schestowitz

42 here

XRevan86

22.7K users on freenode. Huh.

XRevan86

schestowitz: That's very-very easy to flip around.

Jun 30 03:34

schestowitz

either way, we're better off as that fiasco forced us to belatedly self-host

Jun 30 03:34

XRevan86

Which just a few new lines to the bridge config.

Jun 30 03:34

schestowitz

something we only SERIOUSLY started to consider last year (prior years we thought about that in more theoretical terms)

Jun 30 03:35

XRevan86

schestowitz: I don't know why ye expect any real activity in #techrights at Libera, it's not used by you.

Jun 30 03:36

XRevan86

schestowitz: The channels that can be used as a more honest metric are channels like ##sqlite or ##slackware

techrights-news

Taking mass #surveillance to the next level, with #patent #monopolies too (as only #facebook wants to be able to do this to you) https://www.yankodesign.com/2021/06/25/facebook-just-filed-a-patent-for-a-baseball-cap-with-a-built-in-ar-headset-and-it-looks-terribly-cringe/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.yankodesign.com | Facebook just filed a patent for a baseball cap with a built-in AR headset and it looks terribly cringe | Yanko Design

XRevan86

because they're not official on any network

XRevan86

It's actually not a good sign that people come to comment on things to #techrights at freenode, it means that they're reluctant to come to this server for a passing comment.

Jun 30 03:39

XRevan86

but a lot of people won't come to freenode either, so… some situation

Jun 30 03:39

techrights-news

#corporateMedia pushing this falsehood that software projects, irrespective of how many people are involved in them, cannot possibly succeed unless they meet some diversity quotas. And not too surprisingly that media is owned by racist and bigoted magnates, whose guilt drives this malicious slant. Like Vichy Syndrome.

Jun 30 03:40

techrights-news

Diversity as a 'box-ticking' exercise won't tackle equality. The problems run deeper than this.

Jun 30 03:41

leah

schestowitz: i'm working on the savegnu site. i've been clearing up other things from my tasks first

Jun 30 03:44

techrights-news

...The situation has become so profoundly bad that even if you're from a poor country and female and gay and whatever and you're over 30 (age) the corporations which claim to (lie about trying to) promote diversity will not choose you https://twitter.com/rsip22/status/982295163841273859

Jun 30 03:44

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sorry, you are not authorized to see this status.

Jun 30 03:44

leah

it shouldn't be too long now before it goes live. my initial problem was that i didn't know what the scope would be, or what i would want it to say, what the overall agenda was, just that the current splintering within the gnu project are bad and need to be addressed. i came up with a solution

Jun 30 03:45

leah

i assume you already know what i'm going to put on the site, and what my plans are

Jun 30 03:45

leah

watch this space

Jun 30 03:45

leah

my plan needs to work. either with me leading it, or someone else. i think it's a brilliant plan

techrights-news

Corporations do not promote diversity. Not of opinion or of anything else. They just promote their public image.

techrights-news

The Web may be beyond redemption at this point; created 3 decades ago in Switzerland (by a Brit), nowadays it’s dominated by Pentagon-connected American corporations • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/monopolies-web/ ䷉ #Techrights #www #internet #surveillance | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/29/monopolies-web/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Nobody Will Miss a Web Dominated by Monopolies That Spy on Everybody | Techrights

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The #WorldWideWeb (or “the Web”) is still dominating or commanding the lion’s share of traffic, but we’re trying to reduce our dependence on it; we encourage other sites to do the same • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/gemini-in-techrights/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/29/gemini-in-techrights/

Jun 30 03:47

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Month of Gemini in Techrights | Techrights

Jun 30 03:47

techrights-news

The only winner in #wembley last night was #coronavirus http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/30/wembley-losing-control-of-covid/ #uk #covid19 #superspreader

Jun 30 03:48

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Britain Lost in Wembley

Jun 30 03:48

techrights-news

#ChampionsLeague a year before #covid19 breakout http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Sixth-Wedding-Anniversary

Jun 30 03:49

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Sixth Wedding Anniversary

Jun 30 03:49

techrights-news

#pclinuxos ... #seamonkey browser updated to 2.53.8 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151867#comment-30098

Jun 30 03:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PCLinuxOS: Latest Package Updates, Magazine, and Screenshots | Tux Machines

Jun 30 03:50

techrights-news

He used to hang out in the #techrights #irc channels in the past https://news.bitcoin.com/mysterious-bitcoin-maximalist-mircea-popescu-allegedly-found-dead/

Jun 30 03:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.bitcoin.com | Mysterious Bitcoin Maximalist Mircea Popescu Allegedly Found Dead – Bitcoin News

Jun 30 03:51

techrights-news

#microsoft #propaganda sites like #VisualStudioMagazine are pushing more #github #ProprietarySoftware under the false pretenses that this is "open". All this openwashing is an ATTACK on our movement. Worse than just correctly advertised malware.

Jun 30 03:53

techrights-news

"The term "red hat" has such a stench hanging over it now." https://www.universalhub.com/2021/bit-boston-history-preserved-pair-plan-buy-and-re #ibm #redhat #maga #trump #goldenDawnald

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.universalhub.com | Bit of Boston history preserved: Pair plan to buy and re-open the Red Hat | Universal Hub

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#Yakuake : The KDE Terminal Emulator That You Probably Aren’t Using • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152845 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yakuake: The KDE Terminal Emulator That You Probably Aren’t Using | Tux Machines

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#redhat http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/redhat-puke.jpg

Jun 30 03:57

techrights-news

#theregister is doing 'ads' for #ProprietarySoftware of #microsoft #github ... to remind us what The Register stands for http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/

Jun 30 03:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | Techrights

Jun 30 03:59

techrights-news

The criminals from #microsoft are so bad that even #google won't get along with them? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-30/google-microsoft-truce-crumbles-amid-feud-over-cloud-ad-tech maybe motivated also by http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights

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▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▄▅▃▆▅▃▄▅▁▅▅▅▇▄▅▃▄▄▅▄▃▅▂▅▄▇▅▃▆▆▆▁ avg(k/sec) 22.75 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▃█▂▇█▂▃█▃▃▃▂▁█▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▂█▂▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 63.38▕ swarm size (avg): 306.87 ⟲

techrights-news

#microsoft still bombarding ON with its vapourware, now with fictional news like "dates" (after fake 'leaks' and 'builds')... anything to distract from actual news and Microsoft blunders, e.g. http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/

Jun 30 04:02

techrights-news

More #espionage wars... and false dichotomies https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/29/international_institute_for_strategic_studies_cyber_study/

Jun 30 04:02

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | America world’s sole cyber superpower, ten years ahead of China, says Brit think tank • The Register

Jun 30 04:02

techrights-news

#microsoft bailouts: http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ we know at whose expense: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt

Jun 30 04:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights

Jun 30 04:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tradingeconomics.com | United States Government Debt | 1942-2021 Data | 2022-2023 Forecast | Historical

Jun 30 04:03

techrights-news

#Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, June 29, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives

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#microsoftTim on #Kubernetes https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/29/kubernetes_spend_report/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Kubernetes a black hole of unpredictable spend, according to new report • The Register

techrights-news

#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing

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Back doors 'R' US https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/28/microsoft_malware_signing/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA

Jun 30 04:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Microsoft approved a Windows driver booby-trapped with rootkit malware • The Register

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights

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Start by deleting #microsoft and #windows https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/29/cabinet_office_cybersecurity_training/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/

Jun 30 04:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | UK Cabinet Office's spending on cybersecurity training rises by 500% in a year • The Register

Jun 30 04:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights

Jun 30 04:08

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The company of corrupt #TheirryBreton https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/29/atos_nhs_foss_charges/ see http://techrights.org/2020/12/01/the-breton-coverup/

Jun 30 04:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | When free and open source actually means £6k-£8k per package: Atos's £136m contract with NHS England • The Register

Jun 30 04:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Commission’s Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benoît Battistelli | Techrights

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"I was 25 years old making $150,000 a year, but something was missing. My father thought I was crazy for leaving a great paycheck like that behind, but helping people understand technology and media was my passion." https://www.komando.com/technology/kim-leadership-secrets-authority-magazine/795611/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.komando.com | Kim's success secrets: 5 leadership lessons I've learned

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Top 7 free photo editors in 2021 https://technave.com/gadget/Top-7-free-photo-editors-in-2021-25444.html #gnu #gimp @ at of this list

Jun 30 04:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top 7 free photo editors in 2021 | TechNave

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Boos at #Hackaday for helping #microsoft #vapourware tactics. #vista11 #spam

Jun 30 04:15

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" #IBM is also moving to more PIP’s with not- realistic 30 day time frames to achieve so the severance is NOT being paid…. Be careful." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bBT6V5l

Jun 30 04:17

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | PIP’s instead of Layoffs - post regarding IBM layoffs

Jun 30 04:17

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#Microsoft #Windows TCO: #NLTimes #ProprietarySoftware ☞ #Ransomware a threat to national security, says Deutch counterterrorism office https://nltimes.nl/2021/06/28/ransomware-threat-national-security-says-dutch-counterterrorism-office http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/

Jun 30 04:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nltimes.nl | Ransomware a threat to national security, says Dutch counterterrorism office | NL Times

Jun 30 04:22

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● NEWS ● #WladimirPalant #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ How #Amazon Assistant lets Amazon track your every move on the web https://palant.info/2021/03/08/how-amazon-assistant-lets-amazon-track-your-every-move-on-the-web/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-palant.info | How Amazon Assistant lets Amazon track your every move on the web | Almost Secure

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● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ A #Twitter bug temporarily removed the option to switch to the chronological feed on the web https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/29/22556349/twitter-chronological-feed-web-bug-removed-support-article

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | A Twitter bug temporarily removed the option to switch to the chronological feed on the web - The Verge

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Did anybody actually miss these? https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2021/06/28/tom-york-on-business-trade-shows-return-to-convention-center-in-august-after-covid-hiatus/

Jun 30 04:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-timesofsandiego.com | Tom York on Business: Trade Shows Return to Convention Center in August After COVID Hiatus - Times of San Diego

Jun 30 04:26

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#zdnet was a #propaganda and #marketing site for a while now. And now a total SPAM site. Under "Best Python course 2021: Top online coding classes" it does pure sales (referral spam). #boycottZDNet http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet

Jun 30 04:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights

Jun 30 04:29

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"Big Tech" is a #microsoft ploy, designed to distract from Microsoft #crimes http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/

Jun 30 04:30

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"commemorate America's commitment to freedom of the press and those who died advancing it" https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fallen-journalists-memorial-foundation-launches-fundraising-campaign-with-6-million-in-new-support-301322382.html

Jun 30 04:31

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Fallen Journalists Memorial Foundation launches fundraising campaign with $6 Million in new support

Jun 30 04:31

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When your populace lacks critical skills https://www.gurufocus.com/news/1464733/avast-threat-labs-finds-us-most-vulnerable-to-tech-support-fraud

Jun 30 04:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Avast Threat Labs finds U.S. m - GuruFocus.com

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"one-hour episodes featuring topics such as production use cases around open source projects like #OpenStack , #Kubernetes and Magma; industry leader conversations" https://www.wfmz.com/news/pr_newswire/pr_newswire_technology/open-infrastructure-foundation-unveils-openinfra-live-virtual-event-schedule/article_54bdf287-da5d-517a-be48-e72bff2527b4.html

Jun 30 04:34

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Open Infrastructure Foundation Unveils OpenInfra Live Virtual Event Schedule | News | wfmz.com

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#Nvidia RTX 3080 #Ethereum Hashrate and Mining Overclock settings on #HiveOS Linux https://linuxconfig.org/nvidia-rtx-3080-eth-hashrate-and-overclock-settings-on-hiveos

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#System76 Releases #PopOS 21.04 With New COSMIC Desktop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152837#comment-30099

Jun 30 04:39

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux Machines

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Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152846 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 30 04:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

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Sites such as #Gulag #YouTube #Facebook and #Twitter should quit using terms like "community standards" because corporations are NOT communities and they should stop pretending that they are. Some #taxevasion scams call themselves "Charities" http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique

Jun 30 04:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights

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#Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #CopenhagenPost #Finance ☞ [Cr]ackers have had access to Danish national bank for seven months https://cphpost.dk/?p=125979 see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cphpost.dk | Hackers have had access to Danish national bank for seven months - The Post

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● NEWS ● #NewZealand #Misinformation #Disinformation #nz ☞ Half the country sucked in by at least one bit of misinformation – chief censor https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/30-06-2021/half-the-country-has-been-sucked-in-by-at-least-one-bit-of-misinformation-chief-censor-finds/ "The [Internet] played a key role in spreading false facts, the survey found."

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thespinoff.co.nz | Half the country sucked in by at least one bit of misinformation – chief censor | The Spinoff

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● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Celebrating the community: Zaahra and Eesa https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/community-stories-zaahra-eesa-coding-team/

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● NEWS ● #MichaelGeist #canada #internet ☞ The #CRTC “Will Be Picking Winners and Losers”: A Report on Day Two of the Senate Bill C-10 Debate https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2021/06/the-crtc-will-be-picking-winners-and-losers-a-report-on-day-two-of-the-senate-bill-c-10-debate/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.michaelgeist.ca | The CRTC "Will Be Picking Winners and Losers": A Report on Day Two of the Senate Bill C-10 Debate - Michael Geist

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● NEWS ● #TheGrayZone #censorship #slapp ☞ Judge tosses frivolous lawsuit by heiress #SulomeAnderson seeking to destroy The Grayzone https://thegrayzone.com/2021/06/29/lawsuit-sulome-anderson-hezbollah/

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You can never embark upon #security -enhancing escapades without first removing all #microsoft and #windows from the infra (rip it all apart) http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/

Jun 30 05:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights

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#Security Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152847 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 30 05:17

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

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"This website is temporarily disabled for investigation of a potential web shell compromise. Please check back later." ESR blog has been broken for many months now. http://esr.ibiblio.org/

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● NEWS ● #EFF #Broadband #Internet ☞ A Wide, Diverse Coalition Agrees on What Congress Needs to Do About Our Broadband https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/wide-diverse-coalition-agrees-what-congress-needs-do-about-our-broadband

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | A Wide, Diverse Coalition Agrees on What Congress Needs to Do About Our Broadband | Electronic Frontier Foundation

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RMS: "The #UK plans a new climate impact test for proposed fossil fuel projects. The test will be applied at the very start of the process, which means that an enormous planned oilfield in the North Sea will be exempt from the test." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-mar-jun.html#29_June_2021_(UK_oilfield_exempt_from_carbon_test)

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: March - June Political Notes - Richard Stallman

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The #geminiSpace directory describes #techrights as (not my words): "Techright is a capsuled [sic] specialised in articles about FLOSS and tech news." gemini://medusae.space/search_url.gmi?techrights

Jun 30 05:32

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In #geminiSpace #techrights if even listed as top news site (or along them) gemini://gempaper.strangled.net/mirrorlist/

Jun 30 05:35

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● NEWS ● #VOANews #Internet ☞ #Biden Compares His #Broadband Push to Early 20th Century Rural Electrification https://www.voanews.com/usa/biden-compares-his-broadband-push-early-20th-century-rural-electrification

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Biden Compares His Broadband Push to Early 20th Century Rural Electrification   | Voice of America - English

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#www is a poor man's #internet and #facebook is a broke person's Internet. #zerorating #misinformation (worse than useless!)

Jun 30 05:37

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● NEWS ● #TimesHigherEducation #Internet ☞ Don’t forget that not all [Internet] access is created equal https://www.timeshighereducation.com/campus/dont-forget-not-all-internet-access-created-equal

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Don’t forget that not all internet access is created equal | THE Campus Learn, Share, Connect

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● NEWS ● #InternationalBusinessTimes #Monopolies ☞ #Germany opens #antitrust probe against #Apple https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/germany-opens-antitrust-probe-against-apple-1691555 strings pulled? Whose and who by? http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/

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● NEWS ● #ChronicleOfHigherEducation #Copyrights #Copyrights #AlexandraElbakyan #scihub ☞ Is the [SHARING] Queen of Scientific Publishing in Real Trouble This Time? https://www.chronicle.com/article/is-the-pirate-queen-of-scientific-publishing-in-real-trouble-this-time

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● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #youtube #gulag ☞ Court Orders YouTube Rippers to Log and Share Data with Record Labels https://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-youtube-rippers-to-log-and-share-user-data-210629/

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● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ High Court Grants Default Judgment in Bitcoin.org Copyright Infringement Case https://torrentfreak.com/high-court-grants-default-judgment-in-bitcoin-org-copyright-infringement-case-210629/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-High Court Grants Default Judgment in Bitcoin.org Copyright Infringement Case * TorrentFreak

schestowitz

[03:44] <leah> schestowitz: i'm working on the savegnu site. i've been clearing up other things from my tasks first

Jun 30 05:44

schestowitz

is that a reserved name already?

Jun 30 05:44

schestowitz

because it's a loaded statement, implies gnu is dead or dying

schestowitz

which I'd dispute

schestowitz

better to say, advanceGNU

schestowitz

or something more positive without the hypothesis

leah

i own savegnu.org

leah

there's no site yet, however

leah

i believe ariadne has probably told you my plans

leah

i conveyed them to her

schestowitz

we can make it a conservation site :-)

leah

just giving you advanced heads up

leah

site will be live soon

schestowitz

also reserve savepanda.org :-)

leah

i had a much bigger site, but the scope changed, so i started again

leah

new site is very simple

schestowitz

gemini capsule too?

leah

it's literally just a few pages, with a list of proposals i have for what i think should be done, in the fsf, gnu project and in the wider movement, to bring back unity in the free software movement, and advance the movement

Jun 30 05:48

leah

no gemini capsule planned right now, because i don't know how to do that

Jun 30 05:48

leah

it has had a few false starts

leah

but it'll be live soon

schestowitz

I can help..

leah

help with gemini?

schestowitz

in fact, we can help host that if you set dns

leah

ah, sorry for opsec reasons i don't outsource my hosting

leah

don't take that personally

schestowitz

ok, no worries

leah

i'll teach myself how to do geminin

leah

i don't imagine it's too hard

leah

first plan is, when it's ready i start a public discussion

Jun 30 05:51

leah

probably on libreplanet-discuss mailing list

Jun 30 05:51

leah

and link to that

Jun 30 05:51

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#computerworld posts yet more #proprietarySoftware spam (for the sponsors!); "missing bigbluebutton and jitsi-meet, to name two" -iophk https://www.computerworld.com/article/3540259/review-6-top-videoconferencing-services-put-to-the-test.html

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leah

there is a very specific reason to use the libreplanet-discuss list

leah

precisely the right kinds of people are on it

leah

has ariadne told you what i'm planning, schestowitz ?

schestowitz

no, just that it's a good idea

Jun 30 05:53

leah

ok, well i won't go into too much detail now, i'll just finish the site, but:

Jun 30 05:53

leah

* fsf should hire programmers

Jun 30 05:53

leah

* fsf should take an active technical lead in the free software movement, with full-time development staff

leah

* fsf should continue also doing outreach and licensing/compliance work

schestowitz

that can lead to envy

schestowitz

like paid and unpaid gnu devs

leah

* basically i think the problem with the fsf and gnu project right now is not that the fsf or rms runs it

schestowitz

debian tried that over a decade ago

leah

lots of people lost faith in the fsf

leah

the reason is because fsf doesn't write code

schestowitz

fsfe does not either

schestowitz

we write some, but not a lot

leah

they see an organisation that preaches from the sidelines but doesn't do anything

schestowitz

and we self-host that

leah

i've looked at the fsf's financials

leah

it's ossible

leah

possible

schestowitz

fsf puts forth infra

leah

it can start off small. start a new project as a proof of concept

schestowitz

and makes a list of high-priority projects

leah

for some thing that is needed

leah

yes, exactly schestowitz

schestowitz

they need to get finished with their Savannah successor

leah

finished? you mean they started?

schestowitz

hiring full-time for ordinary gnu tools seems misguided to me. focus instead on infra for gnu devs

leah

i was going to suggest sourcehut. it's perfect

schestowitz

they were basing it on gitlab

leah

yes well fsf overworks its sysadmin staff

schestowitz

so I heard

schestowitz

about gitlab

schestowitz

not the overworks part

leah

they need more people on technical staff

leah

fsf needs to double it's sysadmin staff

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leah

and i think the policy of hiring devs will pay for itself in the end

leah

if fsf is seen to be producing software, more people donate

leah

plus i've seen fsf's financials. they're public

schestowitz

yes, I know

leah

they can already do this, with 3-5 people if they push it

schestowitz

I saw that too and published portions, iirc

leah

3-5 peolpe paid full time, on US wages

schestowitz

I'm not sure

schestowitz

that's gnu

schestowitz

fsf isn't in the coding business

leah

plus i've identified ways fsf can cut costs and also raise more money, under current status quo

schestowitz

fsf was there to help gnu

schestowitz

gnu can also help gnu

activelow

would be curious which projects fsf should engage

*activelow listens

leah

well, what if you have a gnu project that is understaffed?

leah

gnu projects regularly have a lack of maintainers

leah

fsf can assign such new staff to take over development in those instances

leah

anywhere where work is needed

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leah

if you show the positive results of this (more software written), more people donate

leah

plus i've identified ways that the fsf can more aggressively raise funding for gnu projects

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leah

i've already told fsf my ideas

leah

and applied for the job of executive director

schestowitz

I remember gnash

schestowitz

and the funding aspect

leah

if they hire me, it will be because they agree with my plans

leah

if they don't hire me, well that's their choice. but i've extended my hand

leah

if they hire me, i'll start on this

leah

fsf played a technical role in the past

leah

hired devs

schestowitz

throwing money at things does not always solve issues

leah

well my original inspiration was the gnu assembly

schestowitz

it can create other (new) issues

schestowitz

freenode is one example

*activelow thinks fsf should support a non-c++ gcc replacement and j-core.org

leah

the gnu assembly wants to break away from fsf's control, and from rms's control

schestowitz

gnu assembly is BS

leah

yes, it is BS

schestowitz

it's also connected to IBM

leah

but they're doing that because they see an overall lack of technical leadership, and funding issues

leah

and they actually raise good points

schestowitz

Red Hat infiltrated gnu projects for many years

schestowitz

now it vainly assumes it owns them

leah

i think the people in gnu assembly just want control, and are puppets of companies that bankroll them

schestowitz

and that the fsf is indented to IBM

schestowitz

*indebted

schestowitz

and that IBM should call the shots and appoint people

leah

well the gnu assembly i think is going to take over, if fsf doesn't do something

leah

fsf needs to take the initiative

leah

and i have a plan

leah

i don't need savegnu.org to implement that plan if fsf hires me

leah

i'm doing savegnu for in case they don't hire me

schestowitz

weird diplomacy, imho

schestowitz

hire me, or else :-)

leah

because if they don't, then my plan b is to convince whoever they do hire, befriend the new fsf status quo

schestowitz

contengencies

schestowitz

*contingencies

leah

oh, is that how it sounds?

leah

it's unintentional

leah

i mean it will also increase my chance of getting hired i think, by going into more detail

leah

the CV i sent them barely scratches the surface. for what my agenda is, i need a full site

leah

plus if i can get people onboard and demonstarte that my ideas have a decent level of public support

leah

well, you get it

schestowitz

yes, I do

leah

so i'm putting forth my ideas

leah

and fsf can see i've applied

schestowitz

I still think they need cash reserves, not big...

schestowitz

but just in case

schestowitz

eff keeps 40 million in the bank but goes nowhere

schestowitz

money is not the issue

schestowitz

the message and strategy is

schestowitz

money poisons institutions

leah

well that's the beauty of my plan

schestowitz

hiring many people may look good; but it also makes them expensive to run

leah

i only need to implement it and start 1 successful project

leah

i'll start small and hire 2 web devs to start a new project to free javascript on major websites

activelow

wow

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leah

integrating something in icecat that automatically downloads javascript from a repository somewhere (hosted by fsf)

activelow

leah: how should this in principle be possible?

leah

do that as a proof of concept

schestowitz

the web is f'ed imho

leah

and also because i think that is needed

schestowitz

we need to move away from the web

leah

not gonna happen

schestowitz

you cannot redeem it anymore

schestowitz

use it in tandem with something else

activelow

anything at the javascript battle front is wasted time and resources

schestowitz

oliva gave a talk about it

leah

yep, but the web isn't going away

schestowitz

in libreplanet, with rms involved

schestowitz

wwworst he called it

leah

yes, the wwworst app store

leah

i was there, i saw the talk

leah

i was playing on fsf's minetest server and listening to the talk

schestowitz

[06:09] <leah> yep, but the web isn't going away

schestowitz

it is, eventually

schestowitz

everything goes away

schestowitz

the question is when

schestowitz

IBM will also go away after 100+ years

leah

on what basis do you make this prediction?

leah

i'm thinking about the here and now

leah

but you know what, it doesn't have to be that project

leah

it could be anything on the high priority list

schestowitz

I agree with activelow

schestowitz

messing around with js is lots of worse

https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/

leah

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schestowitz

and you die in the process or fighting to liberate it

leah

any of those then. doesn't really matter

schestowitz

because you play with a ball or wool

leah

my point is, i think fsf's problem is that all it does is preach and provide infrastructure. but it tries to have its cake and eat it

leah

it doesn't hire enough full time staff for even that

schestowitz

salaries are expensive

schestowitz

we need communities

leah

my plans are risky, but i think they'll have widespread support

leah

and it's possible to fund

schestowitz

many people can work on the side, as I do...

leah

even if fsf only ever hires 2-3 devs at a time

leah

(2-3 full time)

leah

plus

leah

most software projects don't need full time work

leah

more like part time

leah

so a lot of those devs are actually going to end up being part time

schestowitz

I do not share that strategy, and let me explain why:

schestowitz

1. you cannot hire your way into ideology

schestowitz

2. some people tried and failed

schestowitz

3. your strength is in numbers

schestowitz

4. you need to convince people to join you

schestowitz

5. for (4), you need messaging

leah

#1 is true. you could end up hiring someone who's just in it for the wage

schestowitz

6. one example of (5) is bad vista and 7 sins

schestowitz

7. you need to change people's perception of thing and get them to "fight the good fight"

schestowitz

8. environmentalists are one good example, antiwar is another

leah

my perspective is slightly different, in that i'm more practical

schestowitz

9. codepink isn't "hiring" campaigners

leah

my whole startegy is putting something in front of someone, that they can actually use

schestowitz

I think that's about all I have to say for now, but (10) would seem a better number

leah

free software ideology is the foundation, but actual free software is critical

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schestowitz

we already have free sw

schestowitz

don't get me wrong;;

schestowitz

the software is here

schestowitz

right here, right now

schestowitz

kde plasma5

schestowitz

apache

schestowitz

gemini toolsets

schestowitz

decent browsers too

schestowitz

but the issue we have revolves around other problems

schestowitz

openwashing, like systemd and other OSPS, e.g. chromium

schestowitz

you moreover have a marketing gap

schestowitz

but we cannot "buy ads" to win

schestowitz

it won't scale

schestowitz

ken starks tried with nascar

schestowitz

we need to fight along ideological lines

schestowitz

RMS does that

leah

yep

schestowitz

we need more people to go around explaining to people, inc. officials, why their org/nation/company should change

schestowitz

self-hosting

schestowitz

back doors eliminated

leah

i'm not saying replace the current fsf btw

schestowitz

technical debt

schestowitz

(=no vendor lockin)

leah

what fsf currently does can and should continue

schestowitz

hiring more devs means more code

schestowitz

but more code does not beget more users

leah

well i think there's room

leah

i've run the numbers

schestowitz

when there's a technical need people write code regardless

schestowitz

initially for themselves

schestowitz

no need to 'fund' them

leah

i've also assumed the worst, due to covid (current financials aren't available for scrutinyyet, but i assume covid made things worse. my budgeting assumes that 1/3 of fsf's usual annual finances are wiped out)

schestowitz

all that Red Hat and LF stuff

schestowitz

they present the wrong issues

schestowitz

like "funding" and "diversity"

schestowitz

as it we'll magically succeed IF

schestowitz

we had more colour diversity

schestowitz

and if we get some more money

leah

you initially said that my idea would lead to jealousy issues

leah

can you explain that?

schestowitz

those are misframings

schestowitz

like saying "LINUX" will succeed with more marketing

schestowitz

the issue is Microsoft corruption, inc. bribery

schestowitz

not that Linux is "hard to use"

schestowitz

TideLift (Red Hat et al) is among the BS club

leah

i think the potential is there, but it's a gamble. that's why i'd start off small

schestowitz

they misframe the issues

*activelow would propose something else, i'll have some coffee first, ttyl

schestowitz

with their 'studies'

leah

hire 2 devs, to work on any project listed on high priority list

schestowitz

they see everything in green (money, not environment)

schestowitz

[06:19] <leah> you initially said that my idea would lead to jealousy issues

leah

see how it goes. fsf can do it, with current budgeting, and there are ways to boost their finances

schestowitz

yes, you then differentiate paid and unpaid

schestowitz

that happened in Debian when HP et al offered money

schestowitz

it didn't encourage more work

leah

well unpaid just means you're funded some other way. everyone needs to get paid

schestowitz

it made some people feel discriminated, like unpaid serfs

schestowitz

Fedora is now having the same issue

leah

if someone works on something unpaid, they'll be paid by someone else probably

schestowitz

as many core people are paid IBM shills

schestowitz

and the rest are unpaid volunteers who test and "file bugs"

leah

i see what you mean

leah

i'm not sure how much worse that would be than the current situation though

leah

debian and fedora projects already produce software

leah

fsf doesn't

schestowitz

that's because fsf is different

schestowitz

tbh:

schestowitz

this is the first time I hear this

schestowitz

I heard that about fsfe

schestowitz

not fsf

schestowitz

fsf is for advocacy and support

schestowitz

it's not a coding mill

leah

not yet

schestowitz

just as techrights is not

leah

that's exactly why the fsf should hire me

schestowitz

we mostly cover news and stuff

schestowitz

we also make code, but maybe 50-100 scripts

leah

i'll keep the current layers of fsf intact, but add another layer

schestowitz

and not very long, either

leah

and even take a technical lead myself, in some projects

leah

there is no reason why the fsf can't do this

Jun 30 06:24

leah

they've done it before

Jun 30 06:24

leah

hired devs to work on specific projects where work needed doing

Jun 30 06:24

schestowitz

maybe they did

schestowitz

afaik, they devotes some money to projects

schestowitz

not the same as hiring

schestowitz

hiring a person entails more obligations

schestowitz

contractual

schestowitz

granting some funds to a project doesn't mean pensions and payslips

schestowitz

or dental etc.

http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/the-linux-racket/

schestowitz

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schestowitz

now with all events (real ones) canceled

schestowitz

they have a crisis at LF

leah

i think it would work

http://techrights.org/2021/01/25/linux-foundation-training-and-certifications/

schestowitz

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leah

but you're right that it's risky

schestowitz

very risky

leah

i imagine there will be same opposition to it

schestowitz

as there's no way back

leah

s/same/some

leah

no way back?

schestowitz

if people come to expect a certain high salary

schestowitz

in techrighrs nobody is paid

schestowitz

so we don't need to worry about raising money etc.

schestowitz

I'm not paid either, I PAY

schestowitz

electricity etc.

leah

i think most people working on a given free software project aren't working on it full time though

schestowitz

iirc, openbsd was in the same situation, with theo paying to run like 20 servers at home

leah

they'll probably work on it 1-2 hours daily at most. often much less

schestowitz

or phoronix with lots of gear running too... but no expenses as all the work is done by michael with help from the wife, fatima

schestowitz

fsf needs to be lean and (maybe) mean

schestowitz

maybe not mean

schestowitz

but the saying goes like that

schestowitz

this way it can MOON IBM

leah

well we'll see

schestowitz

when IBM says "no money money..."

leah

if they hire me, it's likely because they agree with my plans, but they'll want me to tone it down a bit

leah

be more conservative about it i mean

leah

e.g. not hire 2-3 full time staff

leah

but start out with 2-3 part-time devs hired to work on specific projects deemed high priority

schestowitz

many people already make free software

schestowitz

money isn't the issue

leah

well if they're open to my ideas, they'll at least interview me probably

leah

yeah but how many people writing free software get paid to do so?

schestowitz

again, not the real issue

schestowitz

money isn't the issue

leah

i imagine most of them aren't doing it full time

schestowitz

we need to win the arguments

leah

unless maybe they have a patreon or whatever

schestowitz

at the moment there's a big problem like people outsourcing code to crooks at Microsoft

http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/nat-friedman-proprietary-software/

schestowitz

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schestowitz

and each project they take control of is a win for them

schestowitz

gnu and fsf have said nothing about it for years

schestowitz

didn't even try to oppose the takeover

schestowitz

or wage antitrust actions

schestowitz

nothing

schestowitz

so here we are...

schestowitz

with traitors from 'gnu' (IBM) outsourcing to Microsoft

schestowitz

and another novell

http://techrights.org/2021/06/07/ibm-self-harm-swpats/

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leah

that is actually one of the main reasons why i want to do what i've come up with

Jun 30 06:35

leah

i want the fsf to have meaningful control over development

Jun 30 06:35

leah

most people are practical. they'll listen to your ideology but at the end of the day they're interested in bread and butter on the table

leah

and fsf can be that too

leah

if fsf hires me, i'm pressing ahead with this plan. but i'll start small, see how it goes. operating very carefully

leah

your thing where you said the fsf shouldn't be a "code mill" is

leah

well

leah

that's exactly what i want the fsf to become

Jun 30 06:38

leah

it's feasible under the current status quo. fsf actaully runs budget surpluses each year

Jun 30 06:39

leah

but i think if this is successful and people see it being a success, more people will join as fsf members and more will donate in general. fsf's finances will increase

Jun 30 06:39

leah

the issue of money is only relevant if you have a single organisation funding the fsf

schestowitz

where will money come from?

leah

this would be people powered

leah

from ordinary people donating

schestowitz

not many people would

leah

e.g. associate members paying 120 usd each year

leah

this has never been tried before on the scale i want

leah

the way i'm planning it, if this fails it can always be scaled back to nothing

leah

i'll do a trial run. a very conservative one

Jun 30 06:41

leah

schestowitz: and this conversation has innspired me to open up discussion sooner. i imagine more people will think like you, or have other ideas

Jun 30 06:41

leah

i want to see what the wider community of people thinks about my ideas

Jun 30 06:42

leah

thing is i know some projects require more work than others

Jun 30 06:42

leah

in practise there are only going to be very specific projects that could benefit from this kind of initiative

leah

my concept is this: anywhere where work needs to be done, fsf can send real developers in to help

schestowitz

the fsf is run by its treasurer

schestowitz

decades-long

schestowitz

he would know about fund-raising

schestowitz

better than we know

leah

yes the current treasurer is geoff knauth, who is also the president

leah

thanks for this discussion schestowitz

Jun 30 06:45

leah

i'll see what happens first. if they like my ideas, then they can bring me onboard. otherwise.. well in general i think things will be fine in the long term

leah

i see great opportunity here though. i think free software is stagnating

schestowitz

no worries

schestowitz

any time..

schestowitz

XRevan86: meduza rss is back!

leah

open source thrives

leah

free software though, is on a decline

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leah

the solution basically is for fsf to double down and take a decisive lead. stop waiting for the outside world to solve their problems. but that's just me, and i could be wrong

schestowitz

open source died

schestowitz

it's openwashing now

leah

i need to start that public discussion

schestowitz

and yes, proprietary software falsely marketed is doing ok

leah

on libreplanet-discuss and a few other places

schestowitz

on false "open" github

schestowitz

proprietary

XRevan86

schestowitz: At least some good news…

schestowitz

so we have much work left to do

XRevan86

Not the literal news though.

leah

imagine an fsf with 10x the current funding

schestowitz

money doesn't always solve issue

leah

i think this is possible, with my plans. the plan, if successful, will pay for itself. it will attract more funding from the public, and from organisations

schestowitz

ir can contribute to issues

schestowitz

like heavyweight org

schestowitz

"mo money mo problems" -sean combs

schestowitz

dmx died not so long age

schestowitz

*ago

leah

money can be used for good too

schestowitz

many of the singers from that era die

schestowitz

some with addition or substance issues

schestowitz

leah: can

schestowitz

so can communities

leah

i think this will be a success, if attempted

schestowitz

human capacity in western society is more valuable

schestowitz

we don't fight for a literal bread

leah

fsf has the clout to get it done. it has the authority

XRevan86

schestowitz: Regarding freenode and money, it kind of didn't have money thrown at it, the people who ran it weren't employed. Of course now it's a commercial company through and through, but that's not exactly the result of money throwing.

leah

people would jump at the opportunity, and it would kickstart the movement

leah

of course, money can also corrupt as you say

schestowitz

XRevan86: but the introduction of business oriented thinking killed it

schestowitz

staff as volunteers works ok

schestowitz

as long as it's not run by a drug addict with ego issues

XRevan86

schestowitz: It was more of a racket that killed it.

schestowitz

kape etc.

schestowitz

gambling

schestowitz

btw, mr. bigshot bitcoin died

schestowitz

drowning

schestowitz

he was in #techrights before

schestowitz

lots of deaths recently

XRevan86

schestowitz: He was? Weird.

schestowitz

feels like i'm in some african country

schestowitz

with high child mortality and malaria or something

schestowitz

also, quite a few deaths of people who used to be here in irc

schestowitz

wikileaks has lots of death around it

schestowitz

you could just about smell the stench

schestowitz

dead lawyers and associates

https://news.bitcoin.com/mysterious-bitcoin-maximalist-mircea-popescu-allegedly-found-dead/

schestowitz

@6, arjen, some lawyers (onlyleft, several other Assange lawyers)

Jun 30 06:54

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They say that the defamation case under which they were searched expired in 2019.

Jun 30 06:57

XRevan86

The Putin's press secretary Pieskov of course says that there are lawful reasons for such actions.

Jun 30 06:58

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But when the head of the ministry of internal affairs is involved, expiration dates become meaningless.

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activelow

i think gnu and fsf should remember their origins, which isn't some shiny bright consumer desktops and big foss

activelow

instead *nix originated in academia, at universities and research institutions, in particular telecom

activelow

and this is where gnu and fsf are loosing ground to proprietary vendors

schestowitz

are they?

schestowitz

maybe the labels changed

schestowitz

but deep down there's freesw

activelow

i accept any argument which contradicts mine schestowitz

activelow

yet i do remember what laboratories at Deutsche Telekom university were equipped with

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schestowitz

activelow: iirc, they work a lot with red hat

Jun 30 07:06

schestowitz

now ibm

Jun 30 07:06

schestowitz

all sorts of corporate 'oss'

Jun 30 07:06

schestowitz

based on gnu further down at the bottom

Jun 30 07:07

activelow

yet this isn't the realm and origin of *nix, science and engineering

Jun 30 07:07

activelow

universities and telco were

Jun 30 07:07

schestowitz

that used to be more proprietary

Jun 30 07:08

activelow

telco is 100% proprietary

Jun 30 07:08

activelow

to provoke

Jun 30 07:08

schestowitz

openwashing

schestowitz

around their consortia and LF

schestowitz

telco is like a cartel

schestowitz

they just try to sprinkle some "open shit" on it

leah

schestowitz: btw sorry i'm a bit tired, i want to clarify what i said earlier:

Jun 30 07:10

leah

i meant that the savegnu site is for my public campaign, regardless of whether i get the job; but if i get the job, then i'll be in the perfect spot to lead that campaign. but if i don't get it, the campaign is still worthwhile anyway and i'll still pursue it but at that point it'd be me trying to influence whoever else gets it

Jun 30 07:11

leah

i disagree with your original assertion that "save" is too loaded/strong use of language. i really do think it needs saving

Jun 30 07:12

leah

it's stagnating and there are people trying to break apart

schestowitz

not for those reasons

schestowitz

such as funding

leah

gnu assembly was the catalyst that made me start thinking about all of this, and to come up with these plans

schestowitz

in fact, some of them are already well funded

schestowitz

they just want to get rid of 'stinky RMS'

leah

even if my plan isn't implemented at all, i do still think i'd be a good executive director

schestowitz

because his worldviews don't match up with their employment arrangements

leah

and i do think the fsf still needs like, at least 1 extra full-time sysadmin to run all the infrastructure

http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/

schestowitz

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schestowitz

tons of IBM staff

leah

well i'm not thinking of rms here

leah

i defended him to correct a previous injustice; my attacks against him in 2016, and also because i disliked the smear campaign against him, so i came to his aid

leah

rms represents an obstacle for those people specifically though, the ibm staffers

leah

he's an ideological obstacle. he'd raise a stink about any insidious plans they'd have to corrupt the fsf

leah

or the gnu project

leah

getting rid of rms was only phase 1 of their plan

schestowitz

or their business

http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/

schestowitz

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schestowitz

FSF needs less corporate money

leah

agreed

schestowitz

that may also mean not more salaries

leah

well take gcc for example

schestowitz

adding weight to it is making it like Mozilla

schestowitz

and we know what happened to Mozilla

activelow

to provoke again: IBM/red hat are almost irelevant on the university schedule of telco engineering, same with microsoft

leah

many of them are on redhat payroll

leah

who is owned by ibm

leah

so fsf and the gnu project already have less control. plus i'm told gcc no longer requires copyright assignment to the fsf for new code contributions

activelow

first lectures were analog electronics, digital circuit design, little later signal processing followed

schestowitz

"A friend of mine was attending one of the OLF Conferences, on Saturday November 7th, and he happened to find a seat listening to Bob Young of Red Hat. Young was telling a story about how a few years ago he had explained to Richard Stallman that he himself was more committed to Free Software than Stallman was. In his view, Stallman was only ideologically supporting Free Software, while Red Hat’s entire business model depended upon on it. And

schestowitz

through Red Hat’s commercialization of GNU/Linux, Young had brought open-source/free software into wide-spread corporate acceptance and into the marketplace such that many more people could benefit."

http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/thomas-grzybowski-on-freesw/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Freedom is Not Linux | Techrights

leah

redhat depends on open source, not free software

activelow

which reminds me again of j-core.org, the situation around xilinx/altera and the silicon valley cartel

leah

and now redhat depends on whatever ibm says they depend on

activelow

so, fsf gnu etc. are whining about lack of free and open hardware, reason being is their lack of awareness and wrong priorities

leah

imagine fsf with the same resources and clout as redhat

leah

but still with the same ideological zeal

leah

funded by members donating to it as usual

schestowitz

no, that's all wrong

schestowitz

fsf should not be big

schestowitz

i'm sort of fatigued over all this

schestowitz

the idea things need to be big

schestowitz

like,

schestowitz

europe needs tech giants

schestowitz

no, it doesn't

schestowitz

we need many family-owned things

schestowitz

like SMEs

schestowitz

we don't need to mimic pentagon valley

schestowitz

because we know that leads to oppression of the domestic populate with gov complicity

schestowitz

as for fsf

schestowitz

and non-profits

schestowitz

they're not in need of becoming employers

schestowitz

[05:19] <techrights-news> ● NEWS ● #Newsweek #Censorship ☞ Requiem for the American #CivilLiberties Union https://www.newsweek.com/requiem-american-civil-liberties-union-opinion-1600579 "The #ACLU is now rolling in money, but it is intellectually bankrupt in its defense of free speech"

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Requiem for the American Civil Liberties Union | Opinion

http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/eff-rogue/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EFF Attacks Software Freedom and Promotes Fake Privacy Linked to Microsoft | Techrights

schestowitz

not everything needs to run like a business

schestowitz

otherwise it becomes a business

schestowitz

and fsf should never become a business

Jun 30 07:23

activelow

if fsf and gnu seek to strengthen the movement they shouldn't seek to transform into party politics outlets (fsfe) or big-foss corporate outlets (fsf)

Jun 30 07:23

activelow

fsf and gnu need to strengthen their affiliation with Universities

Jun 30 07:23

activelow

and in particular those which lecture electronics, maths, telco engineering, physics etc. (instead of gender blah)

Jun 30 07:24

leah

what does "big foss" mean?

Jun 30 07:25

activelow

leah: to keep it simple with one criteria, big foss is those products not suitable for university lectures anymore

Jun 30 07:26

leah

Jun 30 07:26

gustaf

leah: it's just something Andrew Lee came up with to justify kicking off the FSF from Freenode

activelow

let me ask: do you think GCC is a suitable product to study compilers?

leah

"instead of gender blah"

leah

universities typically only talk about that if you do gender studies

leah

otherwise they'll teach you computer science or math or whatever you set out to study. don't be ridiculous

activelow

gender studies isn't an academic subject of telco engineering, the origin of *nix

leah

gustaf: yes, i've seen the term used by that person, but i still don't fully know

schestowitz

"big foss" is a laughable term

schestowitz

I responded to that the other day

leah

i'm currently rejecting it as hyperbole

in http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/andrew-lee-l0de-interview/

schestowitz

leah

"big foss" is that like "big tech"?

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Annotated Transcript of Andrew Lee (Freenode) Interview With Lode Ray Dio | Techrights

schestowitz

it's "shit" people say when high on drugs

schestowitz

"big tech" is a Microsoft invention

schestowitz

astroturfing campaign

http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights

leah

so i just have to snort a line of cocaine to understand it

schestowitz

as we explained all along

leah

thanks for clarifying

schestowitz

now we have hard evidence that Microsoft was behind it

schestowitz

so it can attack us while keeping us distracted http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/microsoft-attacking-linux-from-the-inside/

Jun 30 07:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsoft’s Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | Techrights

Jun 30 07:30

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #TheNation ☞ The #Biden Administration and Congress Have a Chance to Tame Big Tech https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/the-biden-administration-and-congress-have-a-chance-to-tame-big-tech/ stop saying "Big Tech"; that's #microsoft #astroturfing http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/microsoft-attacking-linux-from-the-inside/ http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/

Jun 30 07:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | The Biden Administration and Congress Have a Chance to Tame Big Tech | The Nation

Jun 30 07:32

activelow

i do not think fsf and gnu can and should compete with big foss commerce and microsoft

Jun 30 07:33

leah

schestowitz: yeah that l0de interview was what made me back away from freenode

Jun 30 07:33

leah

that place is poison

Jun 30 07:33

activelow

fsf and gnu can compete at Universities, in the realm of electronics, telco engineering, signal processing, hardware circuit design - and realign their priorities accordingly

Jun 30 07:34

gustaf

"Big FOSS" is so transparently stupid it's become a meme

Jun 30 07:34

activelow

and then leah, once you finished one such university lecture, you may seek leadership position

Jun 30 07:35

gustaf

...

Jun 30 07:35

leah

Jun 30 07:35

XRevan86

leah: "i'm currently rejecting it as hyperbole" – it's not.

leah

activelow: your sentences make no sense

schestowitz

"Big Vegan"

leah

big tech...rights

leah

sorry, i had to :P

schestowitz

"Greedy Greta"

XRevan86

rasengan used the term more than once.

activelow

leah: then learn to read

XRevan86

It's easy to blame a big bad for one's misfortune.

activelow

i had some literature recommendations for gnu and fsf

schestowitz

I remember when ROBBER BARON Bill Gates (GENIUS!) lectured us all on "gentle capitalism!"

schestowitz

like 10 years ago

schestowitz

the person who robs you... a true gentleman

schestowitz

sometimes invertion works

schestowitz

Green BP

schestowitz

Open AT Microsoft

schestowitz

*inversion

schestowitz

whatever you are accused if

schestowitz

*of

schestowitz

many examples

schestowitz

"spreading democracy" (bombing)

schestowitz

Works now only for reputation laundering

Jun 30 07:40

schestowitz

but daemonisation too

Jun 30 07:41

schestowitz

Greed Animal Shelter

Jun 30 07:41

schestowitz

"Fair and balanced" Fox News [sic]

Jun 30 07:41

schestowitz

Department of Defence

Jun 30 07:42

schestowitz

Used to be called Department of War

Jun 30 07:42

activelow

and the "big tech" headquarters in silicon valley are an outlet of theirs

Jun 30 07:42

schestowitz

"Linux" Foundation

Jun 30 07:43

activelow

aligned to a strategy of economic warfare, "america first" which was implemented long before Trump spouted it around the globe

Jun 30 07:43

leah

"big tech" is very vague but generally refers to... the big tech companies

leah

makes sense that microsoft might come up with such a term themselves

leah

it deflects blame from them

schestowitz

Robbers are not "job creators" and "philanthropists"

leah

instead of complaining about abuses of power by 1 big company, people say "big tech"

schestowitz

old strategy

schestowitz

"scroogled"

New: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-30/google-microsoft-truce-crumbles-amid-feud-over-cloud-ad-tech"

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

leah

it's basically newspeak designed to reduce accountability

Jun 30 07:46

schestowitz

I could think of many more xamples

Jun 30 07:46

schestowitz

so many that I literally FORGOT some while typing

schestowitz

not that they all matter

schestowitz

pinkwashing is a new one

schestowitz

recent years, maybe past decade

activelow

pinkwashing?

leah

plus nowadays the term "big tech" is used as a dogwhistle by alt-right shits that appropriated the term in their version, it basically means they don't like that they got banned for saying mean spirited and hateful things about specific groups of people on a given platform

schestowitz

activelow: like when gchq claims it cares for gays

leah

(if you hear one of them say "big tech" it's a sign that says to other racists that they are one of them, and then you'll hear them talk about things like mastodon or what have you)

schestowitz

after killing alan turning

leah

like when they say "big tech" and say how bad it is

leah

it's subtle. normal people would not recognize it normal means you're either not one of them, or not educated about the kind of subtle language they use

schestowitz

there are many bad companies for different reasons

Jun 30 07:49

schestowitz

in free software we need to focus on s/w aspects

Jun 30 07:49

activelow

schestowitz: not that anyone asked, yet I do have an opinion on this, which is quickly summarized. this pink-thing is a *private* matter

Jun 30 07:49

activelow

it isn't up to politics, corporations or foundations to hook onto such subjects who decides to intercourse with whom - it is a matter of private life

Jun 30 07:50

leah

schestowitz: sanewashing is a thing now

Jun 30 07:51

leah

because i coined it just now

schestowitz

not seen that yet

schestowitz

Leroy Sane FTW

leah

it's when a coked up nutjob pretends to have some noble goal or any clue what the fuck he's doing, and takes over a major non-profit

leah

sorry, i'm terrible at jokes

schestowitz

9/11 "truthers"

Jun 30 07:54

schestowitz

nowadays the word "truth" is partly loaded

Jun 30 07:54

schestowitz

if a site claims it has "the truth"

Jun 30 07:54

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Though Evidence Is Lacking, US Media Give New Respect to Lab Leak Theory https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/29/though-evidence-lacking-us-media-give-new-respect-lab-leak-theory

Jun 30 07:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Though Evidence Is Lacking, US Media Give New Respect to Lab Leak Theory | Joshua Cho

Jun 30 07:55

leah

to be clear, i was making a joke about andrew lee

Jun 30 07:55

bagira/fn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tech | for those who think the term has no meaning

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Big Tech - Wikipedia

leah

not a very good one either

bagira/fn

FAANG is very much real and very much full of money and ambitions

techrights-news

#fb #monopoly #monopoly https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/28/1027532/facebook-ftc-monopoly-ruling/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.technologyreview.com | Court rejects FTC complaint that Facebook is a monopoly | MIT Technology Review

XRevan86

leah: The existing term is rationalisation.

XRevan86

When a rationale for doing something is thought out after the fact.

Jun 30 07:57

leah

Jun 30 07:58

XRevan86

It lacks the implication of crazy though :)

leah

anyone currently abusing cocaine shouldn't run an irc network

leah

and the way andrew behaves is extremely irrational so i'm inclined to believe drug use is involved

leah

there is documented evidence that he has a serious cocaine problem

leah

that alone should disqualify someone from leading an organisation

leah

just like you wouldn't let a drunk person drive a car

leah

you should have a clear head when taking on responsibility like that

XRevan86

leah: It's possible that this is how he got himself in charge in the first place.

techrights-ipfs-bot

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XRevan86

with a high thought about how freenode is run that is

Jun 30 08:01

leah

people should use drugs if they wish they reap the consequences later, and that's on them

Jun 30 08:01

leah

let people fuck up their own lives if they want, so long as they're not hurting others

Jun 30 08:01

leah

but you then disqualify yourself from having responsibility over others, if you don't have any over yourself

Jun 30 08:02

leah

just my opinion

Jun 30 08:03

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Jun 30 08:04

lockeanarchist

hello

Jun 30 08:04

CrystalMath

in my opinion, generically speaking, one is free to damage their own property for whatever reason, even if others depend on it - it's their property after all

Jun 30 08:06

CrystalMath

hi lockeanarchist

Jun 30 08:06

CrystalMath

but i personally believe that the new freenode is very much improved, not damaged

Jun 30 08:07

lockeanarchist

what andrew did is completely irrational indeed

Jun 30 08:08

CrystalMath

i'm not claiming i understand everything he did, but that doesn't mean i'll jump to the conclusion that it's irrational

Jun 30 08:09

CrystalMath

for those things it's more likely that it is rational, but i just don't understand it

Jun 30 08:09

lockeanarchist

CrystalMath: What he could do was pretty simple, just lay low and slowly change the policies, let people say that they are leaving whatever

Jun 30 08:11

lockeanarchist

he just accelerated the exodus

Jun 30 08:11

CrystalMath

hmm, well, suppose you were in his place, and you do that, and then thousands of people complain that they can't speak on many channels because chanops locked it down

Jun 30 08:11

CrystalMath

what do you then?

psydruid

is that a good thing or a bad thing? both? neither?

CrystalMath

it's a bad thing - an IRC network is used for talking

CrystalMath

these chanops disabled talking on that network to advertise a different one

psydruid

accelerating the exodus, I mean

CrystalMath

these chanops (for example of #osdev, or #regex) are just garbage people, they are mindless drones of an unfathomably evil agenda

Jun 30 08:13

lockeanarchist

yeah, I would be more benevolent, asked people to report these channels

Jun 30 08:14

lockeanarchist

would ask

Jun 30 08:14

CrystalMath

lockeanarchist: and manually free them?

Jun 30 08:14

psydruid

> Leroy Sane FTW

psydruid

Leroy Sane is coming home from Wembley. Or maybe he has already come home and is now in quarantine after the obligatory sanewashing.

lockeanarchist

yeah, you have a point, it's complicated

CrystalMath

they were manually freed in the beginning

CrystalMath

so someone thought to simplify the task and write a script that will go in, detect them, and automatically reopen

Jun 30 08:16

CrystalMath

but it's hard to detect a closure of a channel, and differentiate it from a temporary +m

Jun 30 08:16

lockeanarchist

I'm pretty confused about what is freenode now

Jun 30 08:17

lockeanarchist

it's just a Rizon-esque network now?

Jun 30 08:18

CrystalMath

lockeanarchist: also i took a look around, nobody has ever used +m to force people to leave a network before, i found records of old projects moving, let's say from EFNet to some irc.hugmachine.org or something, they didn't destroy the original channel

Jun 30 08:18

CrystalMath

these chanops who set +m used *force* because they felt entitled to it, they believed that any means is okay for their unfethomably evil agenda

Jun 30 08:18

psydruid

I don't see burning down and rebuilding the network as the worst approach. A gradual approach would have taken a lot longer and kept things lingering for quite a while.

Jun 30 08:19

CrystalMath

and it's unfathomably evil because it's way broader than IRC, it's an attack on individual freedom

Jun 30 08:19

CrystalMath

and it's an attack on property rights

Jun 30 08:19

CrystalMath

the chanops took the resources of the network, but felt entitled to all of the users they gained by being there

psydruid

it was an attack to mortally wound freenode by causing everyone to leave and leaving the network for dead

lockeanarchist

I was seeing people saying that Freenode was now giving a pass for nazifascists

CrystalMath

liberia as a whole is a part of the unfathomably evil agenda, and the one that undoubtedly attacked *first*

lockeanarchist

on twitter

lockeanarchist

these people are pure evil indeed

CrystalMath

lockeanarchist: everybody who isn't a part of the unfathomably evil agenda to them is a "nazifascist"

CrystalMath

the twitter people are pure evil, let's just make that clear

psydruid

because there is a danger lurking by leaving a large community of people on the freenode version of the channel

CrystalMath

the SJWs are pure evil

CrystalMath

freenode is great

CrystalMath

Andrew Lee is great

psydruid

they could fork the original project and start their own community

CrystalMath

psydruid: starting their own community is normal, because there's one on literally every network

psydruid

I think that is something Andrew Lee hinted at

CrystalMath

but they don't have to fork

CrystalMath

i mean literally every network has a #linux, every network has a #slackware, but these SJW idiots wanted to prevent freenode from having these channels, why?

psydruid

CrystalMath, what about leaders of the project who would refuse participation and patches from people who happen to be primarily active on the "wrong" network?

Jun 30 08:23

gustaf

who set #linux to +M? Was that even a thing?

Jun 30 08:23

psydruid

yes, evil agenda

CrystalMath

psydruid: then there would be a fork, it would mean SJWs own the project - that project must be forked to death

CrystalMath

psydruid: anyone who rejects a good patch because of the person who wrote it is absolutely horrible

CrystalMath

only meritocracy should be allowed in FOSS

activelow

anyway, this is what vendors do at universities: they sell their digital scopes, CAD software, Matlab, and all sorts of things students become accustomed to for "big tech" business later in their carreer

psydruid

free software should naturally embrace decentralisation

psydruid

also for communications

CrystalMath

psydruid: it can only do so while embracing meritocracy

CrystalMath

and rejecting all SJW ideas

CrystalMath

because for as long as they have SJW ideas, they will not focus on the code

Jun 30 08:26

activelow

and for FOSS / fsf / gnu etc. to strengthen their position this is where they should be aiming at: not politics, not corporations, it is Universities and students following particular schedules of engineering and science

Jun 30 08:26

CrystalMath

they'll be more concerned with things that they shouldn't be concerned with, and thus cause damage to the project

Jun 30 08:26

CrystalMath

activelow: similar case there, i tried many networks, there's an #fsf on all of them, but only one mentioned liberia in the topic

gustaf

activelow: at least in Sweden, industry is *heavily* involved in technical education at the university level

activelow

which is the problem gustaf, at least from what i remember with the industry involved

CrystalMath

gustaf: i'm not sure if i remember correctly but ##linux was open until the new ircd, then the original chanops left

CrystalMath

and it has new ones now

gustaf

and hte best universities are public so are naturally required to follow national law re: the rights of women and minorities

psydruid

activelow, I'm very much aware of this, I see proprietary software and OSPS creeping into curricula when students would be much better off with actually hackable software

Jun 30 08:28

activelow

not creeping into, they are dominating

Jun 30 08:28

CrystalMath

gustaf: do they also follow that "public" approach when it comes to course materials?

Jun 30 08:28

gustaf

I believe specific "named" projects absolutely have the right to decide what network their official IRC channels should be hosted on

CrystalMath

gustaf: they don't have the right to block out the same channel on other networks

CrystalMath

and they didn't block out their channel on ALL the other networks, just ONE that they had an agenda against

gustaf

they do if they're ops...

psydruid

and people have the right to fork them

CrystalMath

gustaf: okay then when you start an IRC network i will go through every letter combination and register it all, then set everything +m

Jun 30 08:30

CrystalMath

you can't stop me because you believe this is okay

Jun 30 08:30

CrystalMath

gustaf: besides, even liberians disagree with you, they took my channel on liberia because i forwarded to freenode :P

Jun 30 08:30

gustaf

Lee could have reached out to the biggest projects, explained that Freenode was the better option, addressed the very real concerns re: custody of nickserv accounts etc

Jun 30 08:31

CrystalMath

your philosophy boils down to "DDoS is okay" because when many chanops in a collective decision to wreck a network deside to deny its users the network's service... that's called a distributed denial of service

Jun 30 08:31

gustaf

instead the channels were confiscated

CrystalMath

gustaf: no i strongly disagree, there really should be that channel on 300+ networks

CrystalMath

and the community *SHOULD* be split, because not everyone wants to agree with one particular oligarchy anywhere

psydruid

I agree

CrystalMath

every IRC channel is an oligarchy, even this one

psydruid

there should be thousands or millions of freenodes

gustaf

well that's Pissnet

psydruid

billions even if everyone can run their own server

CrystalMath

psydruid: IRC doesn't really have that many users :P

psydruid

Long live Pissnet

CrystalMath

so you'd need a network with less than 1 user :P

psydruid

CrystalMath, make IRC great again :)

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psydruid

greater than it has ever been before

CrystalMath

well i mean freenode is doing its very best

CrystalMath

freenode has fixed a lot of things that were so wrong with it in the past

CrystalMath

like the lack of free speech

CrystalMath

the centralization

activelow

maybe just for fun i register a nick on libera now, and check if anything has changed since year 2017. doubt it has.

CrystalMath

the really awful SJW toxic people

CrystalMath

those are all gone, and freenode is better without them

Jun 30 08:36

CrystalMath

it's so unfortunate that FOSS is so SJW-infested

Jun 30 08:36

psydruid

I see Libera as a place for legacy channels and communities with their politics and all, a real continuation of old Freenode

Jun 30 08:36

psydruid

I don't think anyone believes Libera will grow larger than old Freenode

Jun 30 08:37

CrystalMath

well i think the problem is still in FOSS, because it hasn't been fixed there

CrystalMath

and that is that the people in FOSS right now have completely lost their way

CrystalMath

it used to be that the idea is "let's take away the power of people to control how others use their computers"

psydruid

I don't think there is a problem with FOSS per se

CrystalMath

now the idea is "let's take the power of rich people to control how others user their computers, and give it to us"

CrystalMath

which is just horrible

psydruid

I think there is a problem with current projects popular and visible in FOSS

psydruid

but the idea of free software is still very much alive

psydruid

we should just go back to the roots

CrystalMath

instead of freedom and libertarianism, today's FOSS wants a dictatorship of the proletariat

CrystalMath

Coraline Ada Ehmke is at the forefront of that

CrystalMath

she literally all but said it

CrystalMath

this "ethical source" crap is more evil than proprietary software

CrystalMath

because at least with the proprietary software, companies had something to worry about

CrystalMath

SJWs are absolutely convinced they have a moral high ground

CrystalMath

companies had money to worry about at least, if they got too evil, they'd lose customers

Jun 30 08:41

psydruid

that's why I've said Microsoft and IBM can have GNU/Linux and run it into the ground the way they've been doing over the past decade or more

Jun 30 08:41

CrystalMath

nothing stops the SJWs from being evil, they believe they are right in everything they do, and they believe each other as well

Jun 30 08:41

CrystalMath

i mean those liberian staffers just said some crap without evidence and all those SJWs believed it immediately, blindly

Jun 30 08:42

CrystalMath

it's a religion

Jun 30 08:42

psydruid

and involve those people who can't contribute anything but side issues and zero code

Jun 30 08:42

psydruid

actually free software doesn't need them to thrive

CrystalMath

it really doesn't, the roots of free software (and open source) are a libertarian idea

CrystalMath

we can live without the SJWs easily

CrystalMath

we just need to make sure that project leaders, and those we give authority, are not SJWs

CrystalMath

but like, it's generally important that whoever has any authority in a FOSS project will be truly all-inclusive and absolutely 100% meritocratic

Jun 30 08:47

CrystalMath

when i say all-inclusive i mean all the usual stuff + inclusive of people with different politics

Jun 30 08:47

lockeanarchist

It's cool that SJWism is a ideology of hate. They hate everyone that don't agree with them.

Jun 30 08:48

lockeanarchist

and hate is powerful

Jun 30 08:48

leah

CrystalMath: am i part of this evil agenda too?

Jun 30 08:51

CrystalMath

leah: i don't think so

Jun 30 08:51

leah

CrystalMath: i dislike andrew lee, dislike freenode (based on the fact that i observed it to now be in the hands of totally incompetent people, who wasted weeks of my time and caused endless headache for countless other projects, with its founder apparently talking on a racist talkshow, repeating alt-right conspiracy theories like pizzagate, etc - i'm not part of the cancel

leah

crowd, and was originally sympathetic to lee, until he started acting like a total twit), and i use twitter regularly

leah

but i don't think i'm part of an "unfathomably evil agenda"

CrystalMath

ah, right, i didn't mean that everyone with a twitter account is evil

leah

i also recognize that the current libera staff started the whole mess, by leaving freenode and running a smear campaign against it, and i recognize how abusive they can be. i've seen it

CrystalMath

i mean, freenode staff has a twitter account :P

leah

libera staff is absolute shit collectively. some of them are nice

CrystalMath

i was thinking "twitter people" like Sarah Mei

leah

no idea who that is

CrystalMath

she was tweeting everywhere about how horrible RMS is

leah

CrystalMath: initially freenode was on the moral highground. andrew lee had done nothing wrong except be in charge, and his staff mutinied, and suddenly he had to think fast. it's what he and the new freenode staff did after that that that was even worse than anything libera did

leah

libera probably had no idea what sort of person lee would turn out to be, in the weeks that followed. they may have even thought he was an ok bloke

Jun 30 08:55

CrystalMath

which part to you mean? the l0de radio hour?

Jun 30 08:55

leah

they had no real way of knowing. so they simply wanted power, and couldn't have it on freenode, so couped it and made their own network. and their behaviour was very shady, making all sorts of unsubstantiated claims

Jun 30 08:55

leah

they even resorted to racism themselves, calling attention to the fact that lee has korean heritage (but is an american citizen)

CrystalMath

i mean, i think reopening channels that are closed was a good thing

leah

"crown prince of korea" give me a break

leah

yeah i don't care about the channel hijackings. that's not unethical, just stupid (politically, under the current circumstances)

lockeanarchist

tbh, CrystalMath

CrystalMath

and the new ircd, while personally it was painful for me to watch freenode classic die, simply because i've grown so used to that software, was not such a bad idea maybe

leah

freenode is a basket case now

lockeanarchist

what's the meaning of freenode today?

lockeanarchist

I'm confused

leah

libera started out being the evil ones, but in the weeks that followed, i decided that freenode was worse

CrystalMath

leah: you were still with freenode after the ircd change, so it must be the LRH interview that changed your mind

leah

CrystalMath: but i don't think i'm part on an "unfathomably evil agenda" as you put it

CrystalMath

and i think it did

leah

CrystalMath: yes, it's that interview that changed my mind

leah

the ircd reset was pointless, but not a huge dealbreaker

lockeanarchist

LRH interciew?

lockeanarchist

I'm not american or anglo, what is this?

leah

lee is a racist asshole and allows open racism in his network

leah

and imo that's bad

CrystalMath

lockeanarchist: Andrew Lee showed up at an interview on L0de Radio Hour, a show i didn't really know exists until recently, but apparently it's been a thing for a long time

leah

you can cite free speech, but the kind of speech allowed can also lead to real harm

l0de/fn

Thanks for tuning in, CrystalMath

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Jun 30 09:00

CrystalMath

oh hi l0de, yeah that was my first episode indeed

Jun 30 09:00

CrystalMath

i had to listen to it audio-only because of internet problems that day

lockeanarchist

Never heard of l0de before.

l0de/fn

ya, generally just a fun late night call in show for irc users

CrystalMath

(i used youtube-dl streaming into standard output, and played with mplayer, and i had to switch to format 93 which is audio-only)

leah

CrystalMath: i think of freenode and libera like telephone operators

l0de/fn

only about 100 people listen, it's intentionally kept small

CrystalMath

my internet that day was like 70 KB/s

CrystalMath

at peak moments

leah

they need to be neutral and allow autonomy to users in their spaces, in channels they set up

leah

the only exception should be disallowing harmful behaviour. e.g. abuse, advocating for real life harm, etc

l0de/fn

I used to post a mp3 with each show, but only about 2 people were using it

leah

i think libera is perfectly reasonable in this regard. and on libera if you shut down your channel, they don't take it over. staff will let your channel remain shut down, just as they did on old freenode.

l0de/fn

on EFnet they don't even do that

CrystalMath

leah: oh but they do

CrystalMath

leah: they took over at least mine and ptx0's

leah

i've had instance myself in the past where i wanted to shut down a channel, and lock everyone out of it. in my opinion, i as channel operator should have that right

CrystalMath

leah: i think it's a denial of service if it's done en masse

CrystalMath

and if done by many people, it's a distributed denial of service

psydruid

I think you have that right on your own server

CrystalMath

well on your own server you can just do /die

CrystalMath

Andrew Lee did it to freenode classic :P

leah

i think the chan takeovers will stop though that was jsut a panic response during the initial chaos

CrystalMath

leah: yeah it was a problem because it was done en masse

leah

and although i think chanops should have that autonomy i think if a network doesn't agree and does what freenode now does, well that's up to the network operators, but i think it's shortsighted

CrystalMath

i mean, because people were locking so many, that it was impossible to manually handle it

leah

you let people have their own say how they run their channels, and don't interfere they're more likel y to come back

leah

you start interfering heavy handed like they have, and more people leave

CrystalMath

leah: i've never seen a channel locked down to move to another network before, though

CrystalMath

i've seen a locked down to redirect to another channel

CrystalMath

on the same network

CrystalMath

but to another network? never... and i've seen projects that moved

leah

totally agree with you about coraline and "ethical source" though. those are pure evil

CrystalMath

from EFNet to hugmachine, from EFNet to Hackint, ... i've seen many examples, and they immediately let the old channel live on as unofficial

leah

stick with GNU GPL

psydruid

this was a case of "Carthago delenda est"

Jun 30 09:07

lockeanarchist

Ethical source is just proprietary software

Jun 30 09:07

lockeanarchist

you can't control who can use your software

Jun 30 09:07

CrystalMath

lockeanarchist: but proprietary software with a moral superiority complex, that's why it's worse

Jun 30 09:08

lockeanarchist

I think "ethical source" is worse than fake licenses like SSPL

Jun 30 09:08

CrystalMath

i mean, proprietary software writers can be convinced otherwise, ethical source people can't

CrystalMath

they're religious

leah

CrystalMath: btw to be clear, i agree that shutting down a channel is stupid, when moving

leah

i'm leaving all my channels open on freenode

leah

but strongly encouraging people join libera

CrystalMath

right, i understand

CrystalMath

at the end of the day nobody can stop you from leaving the newly unofficial channel

leah

i feel somewhat guilty for the whole liberia thing. i meant it innocently, because i literally just misread it as that at first, and thought it was daft

leah

well maybe other people did the same and spread it

leah

but i hope i didn't influence people on calling it that

lockeanarchist

For example, #sway and many other channels just did +m and spammed the channel

lockeanarchist

JOIN LIBERA

lockeanarchist

this is not nice

leah

i've seen some racist comments in #freenode on fn, calling libera liberia like, in the context of racist rhetoric

leah

right after saying something about blm or something

leah

libera is actually latin for "free"

leah

it means literally: "free"

leah

(as in freedom)

CrystalMath

tbh i shuoldn't call it liberia.... to compare libera.crap to a country is an insult to that country

CrystalMath

i just use it to not say libera

Jun 30 09:12

leah

well liberia the country is actually a nice place, so i hear

Jun 30 09:12

CrystalMath

i've heard of it, it seems okay

Jun 30 09:12

leah

i mean they get by

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia

leah

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Liberia - Wikipedia

leah

i would advise against calling irc.libera.chat "liberia"

CrystalMath

yeah i know it, it borders Mali

leah

it makes you look like a racist twat

leah

and i know you aren't racist, CrystalMath

CrystalMath

at first i called it irc.liberal.crap

leah

totally up to you though

CrystalMath

or libera.crap

leah

i actually think libera is ok, personally

CrystalMath

MinceR calls it illibera

leah

some of the admins suck, but i can say the same thing about freenode too

leah

and their rules are reasonable. i don't really have a problem with them

CrystalMath

i've also been thinking about insultling things i can backronym OFTC to

leah

but i don't drink their kool aid either. i'm not one of those mindless drones that flocked to it immediately. you'll recall that i initially was very critical of them :P

CrystalMath

that is correct, but i already knew you're not one of those people

leah

think for yourselves, don't be sheep

CrystalMath

i didn't expect you to move there at all really

leah

it's mostly for expediency

CrystalMath

i don't really take LRH too seriously (sorry l0de :P)

leah

i wanted to have less work to do, so i scrapped my plan to self-host ircd for now, and decided to stick it to freenode. freenode doesn't deserve respect or love right now

CrystalMath

at first i wasn't even sure if that's really Andrew Lee

leah

not until they make some changes

CrystalMath

i thought it could be like, voice impersonators just doing some joke

Jun 30 09:17

CrystalMath

but i was told by trusted people who are in the know that it is indeed real

Jun 30 09:17

leah

my rationale is basically that old freenode worked ok for me, the staff never gave me any trouble

Jun 30 09:17

leah

except for that thing with jess that one time, but technically she was just enforcing network policy

activelow

old freenode wasn't ok for me, new one isn't either, and same applies to libera

leah

thing is freedom is kinda absolute but there's also pragmatism

leah

freedom to be a dick is a thing, but there are also consequences for that

CrystalMath

it's not at all a fair comparison, but nazi guards were also "just enforcing policy"

leah

and i find it strange, CrystalMath

leah

CrystalMath: you say that the owner of a property can do whatever they like, and on that basis you support lee,

CrystalMath

well i said that in general

leah

CrystalMath: yet you criticize libera staff for taking control of one of your channels there

leah

so which is it?

leah

not trying to be a dick but you seem to be mentally applying different standards to both sides

CrystalMath

no, actually, i told them specifically that i've decided that it's okay

CrystalMath

but then it must also be okay for freenode to do the same

CrystalMath

and i told this to rasengan

CrystalMath

here on #techrights

leah

is he here in this channel?

CrystalMath

maybe on the freenode side? but he left at one point

leah

well rasengan is a liability

leah

i tolerated everything until the l0de interview

leah

but come on. the dude's a total basket case

leah

never trust a junkie

leah

that's my advice

leah

someone who isn't in control of themselves and their actions should not be taken seriously, until they sort themselves out and get sober

leah

spoken from experience

leah

in this case "clean" is the correct term to use, rather than "sober"

Jun 30 09:22

CrystalMath

well, that's your bias, and you have experience that tells you that, yeah; but i personally don't see anything wrong with Andrew Lee so far

Jun 30 09:22

leah

i'm telling you, he's bad news

Jun 30 09:22

*psydruid prefers to see an IRC world with each project having its own irc.$softwareproject.tld

Jun 30 09:23

leah

now, if he stops using drugs, and maybe reforms, stops tolerating alt-right rhetoric in #freenode, and maybe learns to trust his staff (rather than micromanage them and piss everyone off)... basically be better at his job?

Jun 30 09:23

leah

well if he improves, reforms and basically be's more reasonable, i migt consider supporting freenode again. i'm sure others would too

CrystalMath

well i wouldn't say that he micromanages

leah

people can change

lockeanarchist

psydruid: The problem is creating a new account everytime and configuring it in znc everytime

leah

CrystalMath: i have about 80 peolpe in #libreboot on libera

activelow

as a service operate Mr. Lee couldn't simply do what he wanted, same applies to libera staff

leah

and about 5 on freenode (yes, people have been leaving in droves, ever since i abandoned my neutrality - that's why channel hijackings are just dumb, rather than unethicl. people have the choice to leave or stay lol)

leah

CrystalMath: 80 people

leah

before the libera/freenode split, i had about 150-160 average

CrystalMath

oh yeah, it was big, i forgot

leah

and the global average on old freenode was about 90k connected users

CrystalMath

yeah i don't think even the sum of freenode and libera matches that

lockeanarchist

the sad thing is that some people just dropped irc for good

leah

lee didn't drain the swamp

lockeanarchist

neither freenode or libera

Jun 30 09:26

leah

he stormed the palace and lit it on fire

Jun 30 09:26

leah

there was nothing wrong at all with old freenode, not in any way that mattered

Jun 30 09:26

CrystalMath

well if you must know, back in april i was thinking of leaving

leah

my only regret is that i initially tried to appease the freenode side. i even joined you in taking #fsf when they left for libera. my rationale at the time was that it would help protect the fsf from trolls. but we were complicit

leah

and i've since apologized publicly to the fsf, via my twitter page

CrystalMath

because... the old freenode staff k-lined so many of my friends

CrystalMath

ousted a nice retrocomputing channel

CrystalMath

which had to leave for LunarIRC

CrystalMath

i told you about that i think

leah

yes

leah

i still don't fully understand the details of that

CrystalMath

basically Fuchs and jess joined the channel and started harassing people

leah

though at th time it did sound like an abuse of power

l0de/fn

CrystalMath it's not meant to be taken seriously, it's a comedy program

leah

oh shit, l0de's here

leah

lol

psydruid

they were really nice operators for doing that

l0de/fn

yes hello

CrystalMath

l0de: well, that makes sense then :)

l0de/fn

I had to come to issue some corrections on the article

Jun 30 09:30

CrystalMath

a lot of people at techrights seemed to take it very seriously, notably schestowitz

Jun 30 09:30

l0de/fn

I find it highly unscrupulous that he did not clearly mention that it is a satirical comedy program

leah

racism is racism no matter how you spin it lol

l0de/fn

or to cast me as a racist when I have been an avowed pro-black for the whole 20+ year run of my show

l0de/fn

c'est la vie

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Jun 30 09:32

l0de/fn

But it is an hourlong conversation that everyone is tired of

Jun 30 09:32

leah

you're entitled to your views, but not everyone has to like them

Jun 30 09:33

l0de/fn

But in terms of journalism, it's clear this is just a surface-level hot take by someone with no real understanding of the cultures and individuals involved

Jun 30 09:33

l0de/fn

I sat this not to insult, but in the hopes that subsequent articles will receive more critical thinking and research

Jun 30 09:34

CrystalMath

l0de/fn: tbh i was quite unfamiliar with the culture as well, but i get it now

Jun 30 09:35

l0de/fn

As the piece reads like a youtube reaction video with little genuine context or new information provided

Jun 30 09:35

leah

l0de you're free to say what you like but idk i checked out your video with andrew lee

Jun 30 09:35

leah

l0de: it was pretty blatant. kinda an eye opener actually

Jun 30 09:36

l0de/fn

It is a fascinating collection of people, and IRC has this weird dynamic where you can have people who are real, legitimate white supremacists engaged in a very productive conversation with antifa members because there's a degree of compartmentalization involved in being in a text-only medium

activelow

maybe the problem is this: the expectations when joining a network to talk to academics and then being confronted with gnaa

leah

kinda scary too, because it was very high-level. it wasn't, like, the low-grade bigotry you see on /g/

l0de/fn

what are you even talking about leah

l0de/fn

we didn't even talk about race on the show you saw

l0de/fn

Activelow hasn't that always been a component of any media though

l0de/fn

there are always some jesters

leah

l0de don't worry, i'm just surprised you're here in this channel

l0de/fn

Imagine tuning in to ABC news and max headroom pops up

l0de/fn

or turning the dial and it's some punk rock pirate radio

leah

l0de so what's that shit about you being the number one negro or something. that's how you introduced yourself in the opening of the interview with lee

Jun 30 09:39

CrystalMath/fn

l0de: tbh i think schestowitz, and myself, originally got the link only being told there's an interview

Jun 30 09:39

l0de/fn

so you made an aspersion, but you couldn't back it up, that's definitely what I'd call the "Soft-bullying" style of tokenizing problematic people as racist\nazi\whatever

Jun 30 09:39

CrystalMath/fn

we kinda assumed it was a serious interview

l0de/fn

Leah, can you not see the inherrent joke there

leah

to be clear, i'm not attacking you. i'm just sad

leah

i found the interview depressing

l0de/fn

I see CrystalMath

l0de/fn

That makes a lot of sense

leah

plus i saw the irc chat in the background in the interview and i'm like

leah

dude

leah

come on

l0de/fn

Were you not aware lee was playing a role leah

l0de/fn

and that I was playing a role

l0de/fn

neither of us was speaking in earnest

leah

l0de yeah i get that you too were also pissing about

l0de/fn

it was two gimmicks dueling back and forth

l0de/fn

that's what chat on EFnet looks like

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lockeanarchist

the pizzagate thing was a joke?

l0de/fn

it's a vibrant culture

leah

i prefer boring, regular conversations

l0de/fn

The point of the whole satire too is that people took freenode too seriously

l0de/fn

lockeanarchist: yes, did you think there really was a galactic federation

leah

well freenode was a serious, professionally run network until recently

l0de/fn

leah- Anything marked as an AMA on my channel is a legitimate interview

l0de/fn

anything marked as a LRH is not

leah

*alextee has quit (connection closed)

leah

i mean i jsut got a really really bad vibe from your video l0de

l0de/fn

anyhow, I need to get back to writing, but there's often more beneath the surface of people if you don't just stick a label on them and dismiss them

l0de/fn

good luck

leah

silly me taking things seriously

leah

so l0de can you explain the joke?

Jun 30 09:44

l0de/fn

I and that show are from a completely different worldview than yours

lockeanarchist/fn

i stopped when lee said he was a cartel leader wtv, l0de. can't be serious indeed

l0de/fn

Which joke

CrystalMath/fn

lockeanarchist: even before that i wondered if it's voice impersonators or something

leah

oh, right well you said basically the whole thing is satire

leah

that implies it's a joke

CrystalMath/fn

but Lee was there

l0de/fn

lockeanarchist: absolutely, but you can still get some insights into his process

l0de/fn

gleaned through the veil of the bullshit

leah

what's the point of the joke?

CrystalMath/fn

l0de: i mean, that was Andrew Lee, right?

l0de/fn

and to me the things you see through a facade are more revealing because they're naked

l0de/fn

CrystalMath: it was actually lil pump and andrew lee

CrystalMath/fn

oh, the real Lil Pump too

l0de/fn

leah it may be one of those things where if you don't understand immediately, you never will

l0de/fn

because there's an underlying set of assumptions that people who like it arrive with

CrystalMath/fn

i've been around the internet enough to sort of get it but not enough to get it immediately

leah

l0de you and i do come from different headspaces i think

l0de/fn

It's s very niche thing for a v specific audience of hardcore irc nerds

l0de/fn

Ya, and both spaces are valid

l0de/fn

But ne'er the twain shall meet

leah

l0de you know when you walk into an office full of cubicles with programmers hard at work?

leah

but over time a culture develops and people sort of relax a bit and dial down the professionalism. but are still professional

leah

well that's how i treat irc. i treat it like a workplace. i get things done on irc

leah

though i do also understand the need to lay back and relax

CrystalMath/fn

right, the old freenode was indeed very different from the other IRCs

leah

l0de i did find some very specific statements offensive though, from both yourself and andrew

leah

e.g. the pizzagate thing

l0de/fn

Think of us more as welders \ roofers \ plumbers

l0de/fn

Where there is no expectation of professionalism and outright scorn for it

l0de/fn

and we only respect ability and perspective won through suffering

leah

plus, and i know lee said this, not you, in that interview, but the whole "trump best president ever" thing... the dude literally instigated a violent uprising to attempt a coup when he didn't get his own way at the election

leah

just sayin'

l0de/fn

you probably found them offensive because you arrived thinking this was serious

l0de/fn

but it wasn't

CrystalMath/fn

well tbh i honestly disagree that Trump instigated a violent uprising

l0de/fn

my own views are very hard-left

leah

l0de even if interpreted as satire, i'm still not comfortable. but let's leave it at that

leah

l0de the refrain "can't you take a joke?" is a common thing among those who wish to say fucked up things and get away with it

l0de/fn

OK, so in that statement you reveal you have a monocular political view

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Jun 30 09:52

l0de/fn

this is why it's disconcerting for you, because it's a grab bag of different takes and many don't align with that view

Jun 30 09:52

l0de/fn

I'm very leery of ascribing blame to people for the actions of others

Jun 30 09:54

CrystalMath/fn

exactly

Jun 30 09:54

l0de/fn

which can apply to both sides, many legitimate protests are sidelined by agent provocateurs

Jun 30 09:54

CrystalMath/fn

l0de: hmm, i have one question... the stuff you said about the old freenode restricting speech, was that a joke too? do you think it was fine before?

Jun 30 09:56

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lockeanarchist/fn

I remember when I was young, in 2008, that my friends and I were orphans of a IRC network. We entered freenode and did a ##channel that was totally off-topic and not related with free software or a project

l0de/fn

No, it was a much more restrictive environment than I think is healthy, and it lead to a lot of circlejerk\enforced opinion\repressive authority structure situations. You won't see a bunch of trolls actively working on a network unless there are some legitimate grievances there. However, my view is considerably biased

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some operator enterd the channel and kicked us out

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lockeanarchist/fn

lol

l0de/fn

I would say that they fell more on the "Way too uptight and occasionally abuses power" axis than legitimate repression like you'd see on a state-run forum or something

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l0de/fn

exactly lockeanarchist, I've seen hundreds of things lik ethat

l0de/fn

and when you start locking horns with staff and applying pressure, you can find out who they really are

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lockeanarchist/fn

it was a ## channel

CrystalMath/fn

l0de: okay, and i fully agree with that assessment

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CrystalMath/fn

well said

lockeanarchist/fn

but I'm seeing that they are pretty lax on libera now

CrystalMath/fn

lockeanarchist: most of my friends got k-lined from there already

CrystalMath/fn

one jokingly joined with the nickname CatSoc

lockeanarchist/fn

why they k-line your frenz?

CrystalMath/fn

k-lined for a week

lockeanarchist/fn

CatSoc hahaha

lockeanarchist/fn

but, for example

CrystalMath/fn

the other complained on #ffmpeg about them not supporting 32-bit versions

lockeanarchist/fn

#ibmthinkpad on libera

l0de/fn

lockeanarchist: they were initially laying low but about 4-5 days in they started locking down social channels in ## namespaces, taking channels, being heavy-handed

lockeanarchist/fn

is just a /b/ channel

lockeanarchist/fn

*/g/

CrystalMath/fn

l0de: tbh i think they were heavy handed on day 2

l0de/fn

keep in mind my viewpoint will be skewed because I have been warring with these people for decades

CrystalMath/fn

lockeanarchist: they don't have a panopticon, that doesn't mean they're lenient

lockeanarchist/fn

l0de: sad

l0de/fn

and we both know who the other is, so our experiences will not be typical

Jun 30 10:03

l0de/fn

I like this whole kind of thing tbqh

Jun 30 10:03

l0de/fn

One of the big drivers of interesting social groups is offshoots developing from an existing structure that is too repressive

Jun 30 10:03

l0de/fn

I am in many really good channels that began with the people kicked out of another group making their own thing

Jun 30 10:04

l0de/fn

Their feelings of rejection cause them to strive to display their best characteristics to the new group, and sometimes they make something really cool

Jun 30 10:04

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Jun 30 10:05

davnit/fn

nigger

Jun 30 10:09

davnit/fn

sorry wrong channel

Jun 30 10:09

lockeanarchist/fn

lol

Jun 30 10:10

CrystalMath

well, i'm going to sleep

Jun 30 10:12

lockeanarchist

lost my night after weeks sleeping in the right time

Jun 30 10:13

lockeanarchist

don't know why

Jun 30 10:13

gustaf

CrystalMath: agree 100% that Freenode IRC was different from "regular IRC"

Jun 30 10:15

gustaf

but as time passed Freenode became relatively larger

gustaf

for a lot of now active IRC users, Freenode IRC *is* how IRC should be

gustaf

and the 180 degree turn to "regular IRC" is disorienting

CrystalMath

i encountered regular IRC but like really for the first time in like.... hmm... can't seem to remember

CrystalMath

i mean my first connection to undernet was in 2006

CrystalMath

but i was a stupid kid then :P

gustaf

I'm with leah, IRC is where stuff gets done

CrystalMath

let me try to remember which was my first non-freenode network

CrystalMath

besides OFTC :P

gustaf

I joined synirc because a channel moved there

CrystalMath

oh damn i can't remember

CrystalMath

i think i was on rizon since 2019

CrystalMath

but that's not too long ago

CrystalMath

i've only really been on EFNet and IRCNet since, idk, 2020

CrystalMath

and i'm not there all the time

CrystalMath

and i mostly talk to the same people i know from elsewhere

CrystalMath

so i don't really know the culture of EFNet

lockeanarchist

Rizon was my home for years

lockeanarchist

I have irl friends there

CrystalMath

i'm familiar with rizon

CrystalMath

but like that culture isn't weird to me

CrystalMath

i just called it "internet culture"

CrystalMath

it reminds me of imageboards

lockeanarchist

Rizon is older than most imageboards

lockeanarchist

but they embraced rizon

CrystalMath

i'm on LunarIRC since march

CrystalMath

march this year :P

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lockeanarchist

before that was just anime people so there's a link

CrystalMath

i got on EsperNet in like.... 2019?

Jun 30 10:21

CrystalMath

2019 was when i truly discovered non-freenode IRC i think

Jun 30 10:21

CrystalMath

it was a bit of a culture shock

Jun 30 10:21

CrystalMath

so only 2 years, while i have 13 years of freenode

lockeanarchist

Non-freenode IRC I discovered when me and my friends were kicked out of our ## channel haha

lockeanarchist

So we found Rizon

lockeanarchist

but Rizon is very weird indeed

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Jun 30 10:23

CrystalMath

weird? i don't think it's weird

Jun 30 10:23

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Jun 30 10:23

CrystalMath

EFNet is a little weird, because of the whole no services thing

gustaf

I mean, Freenode was started because the other networks werent't a good place for stable channels with clear governance

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CrystalMath

but hey, me and some friends are testing that out, seeing if we can actually keep a channel, and it's working so far

CrystalMath

gustaf: i really don't know what beef lilo had with DALnet to leave

gustaf

anyway Lee + friends seem to believe that Freenode "suppressed" IRC, but in truth Freenode was the only remaining bastion of IRC

gustaf

only nerds and FLOSS groups still use IRC

CrystalMath

i think maybe he just wanted a separate network for FOSS, which tbh isn't that great of an idea IMO

gustaf

I think for Lee, "FOSS" is just an empty signifiey

CrystalMath

many FOSS projects are hosted by classical networks

CrystalMath

there are some on EsperNet, tons on EFNet, even Undernet

gustaf

anyway, good talk, IRC at its best (I mean it)

CrystalMath

gustaf

but now I must earn my keep

CrystalMath

i really need to sleep now

CrystalMath

it's almost noon

CrystalMath

i haven't slept at all

lockeanarchist

are you on europe?

CrystalMath

yes

lockeanarchist

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lockeanarchist

pretty late then

CrystalMath

definitely i mean i don't know what to do even

CrystalMath

i'm gonna sleep at least a little bit, it helps a lot

CrystalMath

see you

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lockeanarchist

bye

Jun 30 10:28

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Jun 30 10:28

leah

sorry, i was afk

Jun 30 10:33

leah

someone is pinging me, lemme check

Jun 30 10:33

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Jun 30 10:33

leah

"monocular political view"

Jun 30 10:34

leah

l0de says i have this. lemme think what that means

Jun 30 10:34

leah

well l0de my politics isn't really relevant to anything but basically look at that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Jun 30 10:35

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Horseshoe theory - Wikipedia

Jun 30 10:35

leah

someone in fact showed this to me today. and it basically describes my view of the world. i'm pretty laid back :P

Jun 30 10:35

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Jun 30 10:40

techrights-news

Saudi Telecom Co Gets Approval for Planned IPO of Unit https://www.usnews.com/news/technology/articles/2021-06-29/saudi-telecom-co-gets-approval-for-planned-ipo-of-unit

Jun 30 10:40

techrights-news

"The #ACLU used to stand for that sort of thing, too: Free speech." http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2021/06/the-aclu-lost-i.html

Jun 30 10:41

leah

Jun 30 10:41

techrights-news

As if this will solve #racism (but I support this removal harms nobody) https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-vote-remove-confederate-statues-capitol-n1272581

leah

gustaf: yeah +1 to what you said about clear governance thing

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Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77

leah

i just want an irc net work that doesn't randomly decide to eat its own fucking head for breakfast because it got bored and wanted to run an experiment one day

Ariadne

[04:25:23] <CrystalMath> gustaf: i really don't know what beef lilo had with DALnet to leave

leah

i want my irc to just work, and to run my software projects in peace

leah

and right now libera is that stability

Ariadne

lilo was not on dalnet, he was on undernet and then started his own

Ariadne

the dalnet people (including me) came later, as a result of dalnet being ddosed into the ground by the guy who started rizon

techrights-news

Realising people are "more selfish and uneducated" https://www.cracked.com/image-pictofact-6702-tell-us-now-20-lessons-we-learned-from-the-pandemic

leah

freenode can talk about decentralization all it wants. meanwhile, te rest of us actually have projects we'd like to get back to

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tell Us Now: 20 Lessons We Learned From The Pandemic | Cracked.com

leah

some of us even have jobs that require us to use irc

leah

tech jobs

Jun 30 10:44

Ariadne

(at the time nobody knew the rizon guy was the one doing it, but he was eventually arrested and convicted for it)

Jun 30 10:44

leah

it's not the 90s anymore. we're all mature enough now i think that we can have sane irc networks

Jun 30 10:44

leah

all the stuff that happened with freenode recently reminded me of what the internet was like in the early 2000s when i started using it. it was funny at first but then i realized oh shit, this is terrible for my opsec

Ariadne

its possible, but theres still a lot of kiddies out there who are shitty

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leah

and that ircd reset was the most asinine and cringe shit ever

Ariadne

running a prodution irc network is a lot of work, dealing with stupid people being stupid

leah

can't write a program to convert the database format over to the new software?

leah

well that's just laziness and there is no excuse

techrights-news

Danmarks Nationalbank hacked as part of 'the world's most sophisticated [cr]acker attack' https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/artikel/danmarks-nationalbank-hacket-led-verdens-mest-sofistikerede-hackerangreb-1092886

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Ariadne

i don't think they had actual acess to the services database

Ariadne

which, tbh, was probably a good thing

techrights-news

#gopkkk now eating itself https://www.salon.com/2021/06/29/abandoned-and-lost-trump-launches-a-misguided-attack-on-mitch-mcconnell/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Abandoned and lost: Trump launches a misguided attack on Mitch McConnell | Salon.com

leah

well, sure. lee had domain name access but i'm unclear what actual server access he had

leah

domain access just means you control... dns

techrights-news

"real-name requirements discriminate especially against transgender persons. A mandatory requirement to provide official IDs would also prevent transgender persons from using distinct identities and names online." https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/106488898713107175

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "(2/10) Right to anonymity: real-name requirements…" - chaos.social

*schestowitz back

Ariadne

but regardless, a services database filled with stuff that was not relevant anymore (because nearly everyone left) is not useful anyway

Jun 30 10:48

*schestowitz catched up with 3 hours (was asleep)

Jun 30 10:49

schestowitz

*catches

Jun 30 10:49

schestowitz

psydruid: Sane was on the bench

Jun 30 10:49

leah

Ariadne: right now we're all making fun of freenode

schestowitz

I suppose losing 7-0 to Spain in a match with Gundogan also wasn't.... well, much of a success story

Ariadne

sure, i am just saying that if i were in the same shoes, i could see myself making the same call

leah

Ariadne: if lee was smarter, libera would have lost. it would have maybe some projects, but most would have stayed on freenode

Ariadne

leah: if lee were smarter, libera wouldn't have happened

leah

no he would have had his cake and eat it

leah

by taking that risk

leah

and playing it smart

leah

you can thank the cocaine for the fact that now the damage was limited. only *half* of all irc users left irc forever

leah

actually

activelow

Ariadne: it wasn't at least clarified/verified what data was collected, and staff resigning doesn't relieve from responsibilies either

leah

if lee were clean, and played it smart, freenode would probably still ahve about 90k users right now

Ariadne

i can tell you, what data exists in the services database

Ariadne

- usernames

Ariadne

- passwords

schestowitz

[08:56] <leah> freenode is a basket case now

Ariadne

- email addresses

schestowitz

it lives off its legacy/goodwill

activelow

i don't believe any single word of yours Ariadne

Ariadne

- the occasional phone number, added as an annotation

Ariadne

activelow: why, i wrote the software

leah

Ariadne: it was pointless chaos

Ariadne

activelow: you can look at the code yourself

leah

they did the reset because at that point, they'd already lost so they thought fuck it, let's all have some fun at the expense of whoever is foolish to remain

schestowitz

These were also red flags/warning signs of irrational thinking and authoritarians --- >> [09:05] <leah> i think the chan takeovers will stop though that was jsut a panic response during the initial chaos

Ariadne

there is very little personal data that is actually collected, other than data manually added by ircops as annotations (marks)

Ariadne

the advice to delete your data in services was largely pointless, imo, because the really concerning data would have been added as marks

Jun 30 10:54

activelow

an elasticsearch affiliate was involved as "part of infrastructure"

Jun 30 10:54

activelow

Ariadne: where in your code could i find relevant hooks?

Jun 30 10:55

Ariadne

there is no way to make services talk to elasticsearch

Jun 30 10:55

Ariadne

services did not have the ability to see any channel messages either (they had usermode +D)

Jun 30 10:55

techrights-news

"Will be nice to have another competitive online FPS that you can play on Linux (providing you use Stadia that is). Hopefully it's better than the rubbish experience I had trying it on Xbox Cloud Gaming (xCloud)." #microsoft 8s #linux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/rainbow-six-siege-out-on-stadia-today-more-games-confirmed-and-a-big-mega-sale

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rainbow Six Siege out on Stadia today, more games confirmed and a big 'mega' sale | GamingOnLinux

leah

i love irc

Ariadne

anyway, the full list of hooks in atheme are here: https://github.com/atheme/atheme/blob/master/include/atheme/hooktypes.in

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-atheme/hooktypes.in at master · atheme/atheme · GitHub

leah

and some coked up shihhead nearly destroyed it

leah

that's all i care about

leah

yes lee caused all this damage

leah

old staff mutiny and smear campaign against lee was an injustice, sure

Jun 30 10:57

schestowitz

THIS should be the objective ->> [09:23] * psydruid prefers to see an IRC world with each project having its own irc.$softwareproject.tld

Jun 30 10:57

leah

but lee acted like a complete dick afterwards and made everything worse for everyone

Jun 30 10:57

leah

to the point where i actually have forgiven libera staff for their initial transgression

Jun 30 10:58

schestowitz

Correction: :-p there's no "MY" Twitter pages; all the pages are Twitter Inc's and you are just a tenant there --->> [09:27] <leah> and i've since apologized publicly to the fsf, via my twitter page

leah

schestowitz: there are benefits to larger networks though

Ariadne

there are, for now

Ariadne

thanks to andrew, the number of discord and slack instances i now have to be in doubled though

Ariadne

fun fact: a company i worked for used slack for paging, so the slack notification sound literally gives me a PTSD response now

leah

that's the damage i was talking about, and lee did that

leah

all libera did was hurt freenode a bit

leah

freenode shot itself in the foot afterwards though, and hurt irc as a whole, pushed people away from irc altogether

Ariadne

libera didn't hurt freenode, libera was created on the assumption that lee was a bad faith actor

techrights-news

#System76 has launched Pop!_OS 21.04 with the new COSMIC desktop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152837#comment-30101

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Ariadne

they were right

Ariadne

it was the right call

Ariadne

if libera hadn't been created, the damage to the irc ecosystem would have been much greater

leah

using slack and discord tho

leah

that's really not right at all

leah

that won't do at all

techrights-news

Surreal point & click horror adventure Strangeland released for Linux | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/surreal-point-a-click-horror-adventure-strangeland-release-for-linux ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/30/#latest

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leah

those networks are a stain on humanity. irc and matrix are superior, as is xmpp

Jun 30 11:06

*schestowitz gleans over some truly bizarre IRC-related chat...

Jun 30 11:06

leah

superior because free as in freedom

Jun 30 11:06

leah

slack and discord are non-free

Jun 30 11:07

leah

though discord in particular seems to have mainstream appeal like irc used to

Jun 30 11:07

schestowitz

It is fast and lean, and being not as "broad" and "wide" as social control media keeps online wars and noise at bay. Number of users/messages is a bad metric of "success" ->> [10:17] <gustaf> I'm with leah, IRC is where stuff gets done

Jun 30 11:08

Ariadne

there are a lot of projects getting stuff done on the proprietary systems, too

Jun 30 11:08

leah

gustaf: but if old freenode was 90k users and libera is currently 42k, that is clearly damage

Jun 30 11:08

leah

46k actually. it seems to have risen. and sorry, i meant to highlight schestowitz not gustaf

Jun 30 11:09

Ariadne

and the proprietary systems were already winning in the long term anyway, because irc does not include batteries

Jun 30 11:09

*schestowitz learns from Ariadne that lilo was in fact coming from dalnet (the first network I used)

Jun 30 11:10

Ariadne

Jun 30 11:10

Ariadne

he came from undernet

Jun 30 11:10

leah

i've only ever used freenode before libera, btw

Ariadne

the dalnet wave, myself, Isky, Barbicane, MysticOne, etc etc etc came later

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Ariadne

as a result of the ddos on DALnet

leah

except for a few obscure networks since, but i first started using irc in the early 2010s

leah

around 2012 or so

Ariadne

you can get push notifications to your phone from IRC, but it requires either using proprietary IRCCloud, or setting up a bunch of software yourself

Ariadne

if we want to win against proprietary replacements, we need to solve *that* problem

schestowitz

---> I think it was XRevan86 or Robertson who said there was already a conversion script, a big buggy, but the developers offered to fix it free of charge, through new freenode didn't care and just flushed the whole thing ->>> [10:45] <leah> can't write a program to convert the database format over to the new software?

Ariadne

unfortunately, the ircv3 community is only now starting to understand the importance of this

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schestowitz

They outsourced the risk and the work to tens of thousands of people who actually DID care about freenode -> [10:46] <leah> well that's just laziness and there is no excuse

Ariadne

but people want those features, which is why they use the proprietary software

http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2019/05/27/reply-in-large-batches/

schestowitz

we 'converted' it for them, manually, person by person, channel by channel (I even had to beg people to op me to be able to do this properly) -->> <leah> well that's just laziness and there is no excuse

Jun 30 11:13

leah

i need sleep

Jun 30 11:14

leah

thanks for the chats

Jun 30 11:14

Ariadne

have a nice sleep

Jun 30 11:14

schestowitz

In some contexts there are benefits , sure -> [10:59] <leah> schestowitz: there are benefits to larger networks though

Jun 30 11:15

schestowitz

Over time I'm leaning back on the old ways when we had amicable small communities, not emotional train wrecks like Twitter

Jun 30 11:16

schestowitz

Ariadne: all notifications bother me, I think they're usually not necessary

Jun 30 11:16

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Want to be Efficient? Disable Notifications. Read and Reply in Large Batches.

Ariadne

that's you, i've fought tooth and nail for communities to stay on IRC

Ariadne

people want notifications

Ariadne

quassel is screwing up again

Jun 30 11:18

schestowitz

For notification, if someone is really urgent, use landline [11:11] <Ariadne> you can get push notifications to your phone from IRC, but it requires either using proprietary IRCCloud, or setting up a bunch of software yourself

Jun 30 11:18

Ariadne

nobody cares about that argument

schestowitz

[11:14] <leah> i need sleep

schestowitz

schestowitz

quassel generates too many notifications, with sound too I noticed, by default

schestowitz

kde4/plasma4

Ariadne

i'm going to give irccloud a go, their software is basically open source, but i want to make this no longer my problem

Ariadne

50 bucks a year seems reasonable

schestowitz

Ariadne: I know people who complain about notifications

Ariadne

you can turn them off :P

schestowitz

because they cannot think straight, the distraction is endlessless never-ending and can become afddictive

schestowitz

because they start to associate calm and quiet with lack of popularity

schestowitz

schestowitz

FOMO kind of thing

schestowitz

quiet should be time to think clearly, writer, reflect

Ariadne

well, in my case, it is because there is a lot of alpine stuff that i miss out on because i don't get the notification

Ariadne

i had this kind of working on android, with quasseldroid

schestowitz

i see....

Ariadne

but the iOS quassel client is just abysmal

Ariadne

and, i don't care to write my own

schestowitz

I didn't know they also do mobile now

Ariadne

i looked into the quassel wire protocol and noped out

schestowitz

I write my own notifs

Jun 30 11:22

schestowitz

for events that matter

Jun 30 11:22

Ariadne

yes, again, we have different usecases

Ariadne

schestowitz

notify-send --app-name=konversation -t 3500 -u low 'Video done!!!!! Uploading'

schestowitz

notify-send --app-name=konversation -t 3500 -u low 'DONE Uploading'

schestowitz

I can variables too

schestowitz

when I post something and I check if it got through to irc ok

schestowitz

echo -n $stage $variable | ./notify-pipe

Ariadne

stuff like thelounge is also good

schestowitz

~$ cat notify-pipe

schestowitz

#!/usr/bin/env sh

schestowitz

read notification

schestowitz

notify-send --app-name=konversation -t 1500 -u low "$notification" "$notification" "$@"

schestowitz

where:

schestowitz

n=$((5 * $remainder - 18 )) # This the number of characters we want to produce

schestowitz

variable=$(printf "%0.s●" $(seq 1 $n)) # Fill $variable with $n periods

schestowitz

stage=$(echo -n $remainder && echo -n " - ")

schestowitz

it helps make notifications that show me what I really want to know and only when I need to know

Jun 30 11:26

schestowitz

konvversation has a neat notification system, but not expressive enough

Jun 30 11:26

schestowitz

it does have regex

Jun 30 11:26

schestowitz

I think the key point if observing oneself and the notifs

schestowitz

then writing down or taking mental notes

schestowitz

"do I need to know?"

schestowitz

"did that interrupt me?"

schestowitz

"would I have found our regardless in a moment when not in the middle of something?"

schestowitz

the really urgent things depend on the person

Jun 30 11:28

schestowitz

like high load on a server

Jun 30 11:28

schestowitz

If you cut off 1 hour of distraction a week, that's 2 days in a year

Jun 30 11:28

schestowitz

coding some rules custom-made or tailored to one's own workflow should not take more than an hour

Jun 30 11:29

schestowitz

Twitter notification I check 1-3 times per week

Jun 30 11:30

schestowitz

MINDS once in 2 weeks

Jun 30 11:30

schestowitz

JoinDiaspora sends detailed emails with all the comments attached to my posts, so notifications are not needed at all

Jun 30 11:30

schestowitz

the email approach is good because you can let it all pile up without losing anything

Jun 30 11:31

techrights-news

#mintCast 364 – The Better Beta https://mintcast.org/2021/06/30/mintcast-364-the-better-beta/ #gnu #linux

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mintcast.org | mintCast 364 – The Better Beta – mintCast

schestowitz

I wrote a bunch of stuff in bash, if anyone wants me to help write some notification rules for him/her

schestowitz

notify-send is quite universal across desktop environments

schestowitz

like knotify

Jun 30 11:33

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Jun 30 11:33

techrights-news

"The first release candidate for #WordPress 5.8 is now available!" https://wordpress.org/news/2021/06/wordpress-5-8-release-candidate/ #cms #gpl #freesw #www

Jun 30 11:34

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-News – WordPress 5.8 Release Candidate – WordPress.org

Jun 30 11:34

techrights-news

New headline: [Vapourware] "will leave millions of PCs behind, and Microsoft is struggling to explain why" (well, #microsoft just keeps bombarding the media with this crap regardless). We can guess what this helps DISTRACT from, e.g. http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/

Jun 30 11:35

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights

Jun 30 11:35

techrights-news

The #Microsoft Directive: STOP TALKING ABOUT OUR SHITTY SHITTY PRODUCTS. TALK ABOUT FICTIONAL ONES INSTEAD. THANK... YOU!

Jun 30 11:36

techrights-news

If you think that #MicrosoftLovesLinux then you're not paying attention to what's really going on and what they hope to accomplish: http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/survey-server-report/

Jun 30 11:37

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Jean-Luc Aufranc (CNXSoft) boosting #microsoft #vapourware again. FFS, Jean-Luc... don't be their "useful idiot"... focus on ACTUAL and REAL products, preferably #gnu #linux

Jun 30 11:38

schestowitz

dsfdsfsdf_: QWERTY user I take it :-)

Jun 30 11:38

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#PopOS 21.04 With New ‘COSMIC’ Desktop is Available to Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152837#comment-30102 #gnu #linux

Jun 30 11:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux Machines

Jun 30 11:41

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"Equal opportunity is a must," says a company that profited from and helped the Third Reich. Its second-biggest client. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/6/hybrid-work-3-truths-leaders-cant-ignore

Jun 30 11:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Hybrid work: 3 truths leaders can't ignore | The Enterprisers Project

Jun 30 11:42

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Making #java seem more trendy again by calling it "clown" something... https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/06/30/making-java-programs-cloud-ready-part-3-integrate-microprofile-services #clowncomputing #programming #redhat

Jun 30 11:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Making Java programs cloud-ready, Part 3: Integrate MicroProfile services | Red Hat Developer

Jun 30 11:43

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Making bad ideas "cool" or "trendy"; #apple looking for solutions in search of a problem. And creates new problems! Now you need to CHARGE your HEADPHONES! https://www.maketecheasier.com/airpods-alternatives-best-true-wireless-earphones/

Jun 30 11:44

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | AirPods Alternatives: 6 of the Best Wireless Earphones You Should Get - Make Tech Easier

Jun 30 11:44

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ZARDOS, Ze #ARDuino Operating System https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/30/zardos-the-ze-arduino-operating-system/

Jun 30 11:45

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | ZARDOS, Ze ARDuino Operating System | Arduino Blog

Jun 30 11:45

techrights-news

Those are #gnu programs, #redhat , most of them have nothing to do with #linux (which is a #kernel really) https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/linux-commands-to-know see http://techrights.org/2020/01/02/gnu-programs-as-linux-commands/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | 17 Linux commands every sysadmin should know | Enable Sysadmin

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#redhat is no longer a "Linux company". It's an IBM company and it acts accordingly. http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/

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#Games : Rainbow Six Siege, Strangeland, and More • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152849 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 30 11:48

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Rainbow Six Siege, Strangeland, and More | Tux Machines

Jun 30 11:48

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Going #Deepin on #Fuchsia | #LINUXUnplugged 412 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145432/going-deepin-on-fuchsia-linux-unplugged-412/ #gnu #linux

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Going Deepin on Fuchsia | LINUX Unplugged 412 | Jupiter Broadcasting

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#RedHat Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152850 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines

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"Copying everything #apple does" is usually NOT progress. Except the things Apple already copied from #gnu #linux (which innovates better than those oppressive companies where the brain stops working)

Jun 30 11:52

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"Today, I had a few minutes of free time so I decided to install Gentoo. So I decided to do a Stage 3 installation inside a virtual machine, and it didn't seem right to install Gentoo and not also record it." #gentoo #gnu #linux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sOfX_Lb1As

Jun 30 11:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Base Gentoo Installation - YouTube

Jun 30 11:57

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▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▅▂▅▇▆▃▅▇▅▅▂▃▆▆▅▄▄▆▄▅▅▆▅▆▄▅▅▅▆▄▅▂▁ avg(k/sec) 25.56 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▂█▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▂█▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 30.61▕ swarm size (avg): 307.49 ⟲

Jun 30 12:01

techrights-news

Children’s Drawing App Tux Paint Now Has Gradient Fill and Pixel Art Options http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152818#comment-30103

Jun 30 12:02

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tux Paint 0.9.26 Open-Source Drawing Software for Children Released with New Magic Tools | Tux Machines

Jun 30 12:02

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Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152851 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

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When #linuxfoundation trash becomes SPAM in 'Linux' blogs https://www.tecmint.com/software-deployment-environments/ see http://techrights.org/2021/01/25/linux-foundation-training-and-certifications/

Jun 30 12:11

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tecmint.com | LFCA: Learn Software Deployment Environments – Part 23

Jun 30 12:11

schestowitz

leah: postscript:

Jun 30 12:12

schestowitz

I think you wanted some of those full-time devs for fsf to tackle high-priority things

schestowitz

and ar1di4ne wanted many packages fixes

schestowitz

but it would not scale well

schestowitz

1) there are more high-priority projects than devs

schestowitz

so they cannot efficiently tackle enough, and you don't want some projects of important to receive funding, whereas others get none

Jun 30 12:14

schestowitz

as for 2), they cannot learn all those programs and their bugs, and moreover they're not familiar with the bugs in the queue (age, severity, duplicates)

Jun 30 12:15

schestowitz

so the only solution is lots and lots of devs, even if 'just' volunteers

Jun 30 12:15

schestowitz

for many years red hat staff was happy to adopt and maintain pertinent packages

schestowitz

things sort of changed the moment ibm came in (2018)

schestowitz

a year later they wanted RMS out

schestowitz

and then had a round two in March of this year

schestowitz

IBM is "king of axes"

techrights-news

RMS: "Right-wing propaganda claims that increasing rates of violent crime result from local policy changes, which in many cases did not really happen." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-mar-jun.html#29_June_2021_(Right-wing_violence_hype)

Jun 30 12:17

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: March - June Political Notes - Richard Stallman

Jun 30 12:17

techrights-news

"I generally do DuckDuckGo searches with the unknown word or acronym along with the context I found it in" https://madds.hollandart.io/blog/outreachy/ev/ #DuckDuckGo is a #scam . Please do not use it and certainly do not encourage others to use it: http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/duckduckgo-in-2021/

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#MakuluLinux Flash is Live + Extras ! • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152852 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MakuluLinux Flash is Live + Extras ! | Tux Machines

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Linux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux – Installing Software – Part 7 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152853 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

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How a college student founded a free and open source operating system • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152854

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How a college student founded a free and open source operating system | Tux Machines

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9 reasons I love to use the #QtCreator IDE • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152855 #programming

Jun 30 12:22

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Now #billBC is talking about #covid19 death toll. After looking the other way in #wembley and pretending all was well! http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/30/wembley-losing-control-of-covid/

Jun 30 12:25

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Britain Lost in Wembley

Jun 30 12:25

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New from RMS: "What do you say about users of WhatsApp? What sApps!" https://stallman.org/puns.html#whatsapp

Jun 30 12:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Puns - Richard Stallman

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schestowitz

downtime...

Jun 30 12:32

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schestowitz/fn

<Guest90> Ariadne: the hv is down (this is Roy BTW)

schestowitz

<Guest90> Ariadne: the hv is down (this is Roy BTW)

schestowitz/fn

<Guest90> nm, it's back :-)

schestowitz

<Guest90> nm, it's back :-)

schestowitz/fn

thankfully just a network glitch, I think

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techrights-news

#OpenZFS 2.1-rc8 Brings Linux 5.13 Compatibility, More Fixes • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152856 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

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activelow

two glitches

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schestowitz

activelow: seems like network-related

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schestowitz

<tr-bridge> [Ariadne/tr] i'm trying to fix the ipv6

schestowitz

<tr-bridge> [Ariadne/tr] this is FRR being stupid for certain

schestowitz

<tr-bridge> [Ariadne/tr] i'm trying to fix the ipv6, there is some bug in my routeservers

schestowitz

(from the other side of a split)

activelow

ok. np

Jun 30 12:48

schestowitz

this is our first time to test the cross-network redundancy in a sense

Jun 30 12:49

schestowitz

inc. the logging, which I can toggle on and off for each network

Jun 30 12:49

schestowitz

ipfs user will recover on its own later, it checks periodically if it's still connected

Jun 30 12:49

Ariadne

taking one of the routers out of service so i can reconfigure it

Jun 30 12:50

schestowitz

thanks for the quick reply/response and headsup

Jun 30 12:50

techrights-news

#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152859 #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 30 12:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

Jun 30 12:53

Ariadne

getting pretty tired of cisco tbh

Jun 30 12:57

schestowitz

what are the alts?

Ariadne

think i might switch to something else, like juniper

schestowitz

seems like one evil and another tbh

schestowitz

in technical terms

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schestowitz

ages ago there was some company called vyatta or something

schestowitz

I forgot their name, haven't heard it in like a decade

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schestowitz

they said they were "open source" and had their own distro

activelow

static routing? bgp? ospf? isn't trivial, ipv6 hurts.

Jun 30 13:13

techrights-news

Links 30/6/2021: Pop!_OS 21.04 Release and MakuluLinux Flash 2021 Desktop • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/30/pop_os-21-04-release/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/30/pop_os-21-04-release/

Jun 30 13:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 30/6/2021: Pop!_OS 21.04 Release and MakuluLinux Flash 2021 Desktop | Techrights

Jun 30 13:14

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#OpenHardware /Modding Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152860 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 30 13:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines

Jun 30 13:15

techrights-news

Audiocasts/Shows: Gentoo, LINUX Unplugged, mintCast, and Full Circle Weekly News • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152861

Jun 30 13:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Gentoo, LINUX Unplugged, mintCast, and Full Circle Weekly News | Tux Machines

Jun 30 13:16

techrights-news

Being all for diversity is fine and good, but in technical projects make sure that technical things are of foremost importance, otherwise they boil or bog down to politics and may fail to accomplish their technical goals

Jun 30 13:17

techrights-news

#Server : #Docker , #Kubernetes, and More • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152862 #GNU #Linux

Jun 30 13:17

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Server: Docker, Kubernetes, and More | Tux Machines

Jun 30 13:17

techrights-news

Today’s 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152863 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 30 13:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines

Jun 30 13:18

schestowitz

OK, now I have time to do articles/videos before work...

Jun 30 13:18

schestowitz

wrote 6 steps for future IRC outages

Jun 30 13:19

schestowitz

to make sure we can minimise the effect

Jun 30 13:19

schestowitz

we're looking into how to gemini-fy wikis

Jun 30 13:20

schestowitz

no person has written software for that, it would seem....

Jun 30 13:20

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schestowitz

<lightbringer> 30 075012 < XRevan86> schestowitz: Regarding freenode and money, it kind of didn't have money thrown at it, the people who ran it weren't employed. Of course now it's a commercial company through and through, but that's not exactly the result of money throwing.

schestowitz

<lightbringer> it was set up in a way that made it dependent on money anyway

schestowitz

<lightbringer> even back in the PDPC days

schestowitz

pasted for logs

schestowitz

yes, well... FN is an unknown now

lightbringer

and yes, GNU needs saving

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schestowitz

the question is how...

schestowitz

it has been under attack for decades

schestowitz

and it's not the fault or RMS

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gustaf

is the main server down?

schestowitz

hi gustaf

schestowitz

router issues

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gustaf

ok I see

schestowitz

it's being worked on

schestowitz

but... at least we get to test situations like these, where we have fallover

freed00m

both www and irc, .116 and .117

schestowitz

yes, it's the HV

schestowitz

its connection

lightbringer

not sure about that -- they have yet to push back against systemd, for example

lightbringer

the last time they pushed back against OSPS was long ago, with mono, afaik

schestowitz

now the can

schestowitz

because IBM already said upfront, no money for FSF

schestowitz

even with mono they minced words

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schestowitz

while the network of hv is in flux we can use this channel

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schestowitz

test bridge

schestowitz/fn

test bridge

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lightbringer/fn

30 083825 <~schestowitz> I remember when ROBBER BARON Bill Gates (GENIUS!) lectured us all on "gentle capitalism!"

lightbringer

30 083825 <~schestowitz> I remember when ROBBER BARON Bill Gates (GENIUS!) lectured us all on "gentle capitalism!"

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Ariadne

bifurcated the network into an ipv4 and ipv6 segment

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] bifurcated the network into an ipv4 and ipv6 segment

lightbringer/fn

taking over your property, gently

lightbringer

taking over your property, gently

lightbringer/fn

enslaving you gently

lightbringer

enslaving you gently

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Ariadne

so i can debug

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] so i can debug

lightbringer/fn

destroying your livelihood gently

lightbringer

destroying your livelihood gently

schestowitz/fn

[13:54] <lightbringer> 30 083825 <~schestowitz> I remember when ROBBER BARON Bill Gates (GENIUS!) lectured us all on "gentle capitalism!"

schestowitz

[13:54] <lightbringer> 30 083825 <~schestowitz> I remember when ROBBER BARON Bill Gates (GENIUS!) lectured us all on "gentle capitalism!"

schestowitz/fn

gentle genius

schestowitz

gentle genius

schestowitz

excellent, Ariadne, and thank you

tr-bridge

[schestowitz/tr] excellent, Ariadne, and thank you

schestowitz

"I predict that companies will buy laws to give them immunity. That's the plutocratic way of life." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-mar-jun.html#29_June_2021_(Global_heating_attribution)

tr-bridge

[schestowitz/tr] "I predict that companies will buy laws to give them immunity. That's the plutocratic way of life." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-mar-jun.html#29_June_2021_(Global_heating_attribution)

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: March - June Political Notes - Richard Stallman

-tr-bridge/#techrights-[TechrightsBot-tr/tr] stallman.org | 2021: March - June Political Notes - Richard Stallman

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lightbringer/fn

destroying IT gently

lightbringer

destroying IT gently

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techrights-news

Is #remmina useful for your daily work? • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152864 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is remmina useful for your daily work? | Tux Machines

MinceR

30 091202 < CrystalMath> what do you then?

MinceR

you could unlock them

MinceR

and make it clear that letting people know where the official channels are going is acceptable, but preventing talk in the channels they're leaving is not

MinceR

you can also wait for the process to end

Jun 30 14:02

Ariadne

learning a lot about JunOS routing today

Jun 30 14:08

Ariadne

the hard way

Jun 30 14:08

Ariadne

thanks cisco

Jun 30 14:08

Ariadne

thankfully, i already decided to upgrade the hardware, but i was planning to uhh, do this on site

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Ariadne

without remote (e.g. idiotic) hands

schestowitz

ah... so maybe forced upgrade

schestowitz

like leaving freenode for self-hosted

MinceR

30 101456 < leah> some of the admins suck, but i can say the same thing about freenode too

Jun 30 14:12

MinceR

yes, but there are other choices

Jun 30 14:12

MinceR

there's no reason for people to be hostages of illibera, oftc or freenode

Jun 30 14:12

schestowitz

it's the clown computing situation

schestowitz

with this I can talk to the admin

schestowitz

not check the twitter account of azure/aws/google and BEG

schestowitz

mainframes were on-site too

schestowitz

so you could repair or ask ibm for help

schestowitz

this issue was tackled quickly, I think, given that it involved hardware/network issues, as was also the case when HE had some issues with their equipment and there was a way to work around it

Jun 30 14:15

schestowitz

[14:16] <tr-bridge> [MinceR/tr] 30 102747 < CrystalMath> because... the old freenode staff k-lined so many of my friends

schestowitz

[14:16] <tr-bridge> [techrights-news/tr] Interview to Hossein Nourikhah https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/06/30/interview-to-hossein-nourikhah/ #documentfoundation #LibreOffice

schestowitz

[14:16] <tr-bridge> [MinceR/tr] it might be a good idea to post logs of that

schestowitz

it might be useful

schestowitz

I might write long articles about the IRC situation next mont

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/hackers-exploited-0-day-not-2018-bug-to-mass-wipe-my-book-live-devices/

Librarian

Librarian

Just a useful reminder that, if something's going to be connected to the internet, it should:

Librarian

A. Use open-source code

Librarian

B. Use mature, supported software, rather than one-off implementations

Librarian

Because this allows:

Librarian

1. Community-wide inspection and testing of the code, and

Librarian

2. Community-provided updates, faster than a single entity can provide the.

Librarian

*them.

schestowitz

“Headlining the power management updates for the Linux 5.14 merge window is the Intel P-State CPU frequency scaling driver now being adapted to handle hybrid processors” https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-Power-Management

Jun 30 14:22

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Jun 30 14:22

tr-bridge

[MinceR/tr] 30 114411 < Ariadne> (at the time nobody knew the rizon guy was the one doing it, but he was eventually arrested and convicted for it)

tr-bridge

[MinceR/tr] wasn't he convicted for DDoSsing other systems (not DALnet)?

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] the conviction included DALnet

schestowitz

Don't know...

tr-bridge

[MinceR/tr] i've found very little on him DDoSsing DALnet

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] afaik

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] ::/0 blackhole [static_default_v6 13:24:57.647] * (200)

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] and yet,

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] the stupid fucking distribution router does not see the defualt route

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] wtf

*tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] debates just hacking it for now

schestowitz

I noticed some machines can access some things, some cannot, but I don't know why

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] ipv6

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] i just hackfixed it for now

tr-bridge

[MinceR/tr] 30 115451 < Ariadne> the advice to delete your data in services was largely pointless, imo, because the really concerning data would have been added as marks

tr-bridge

[MinceR/tr] do marks remain if you drop your account?

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] sip-sfo1-dist-core#configure

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] sip-sfo1-dist-core(conf)#ipv6 route ::/0 2602:fd37:fff:1::e

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] sip-sfo1-dist-core(conf)#ex

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] yes, marks remain

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] the marks are things like "contact <phone number> for urgent issues"

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] e.g. for group contacts

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] i mean its all moot now since the database is allegedly destroyed i guess

Jun 30 14:29

tr-bridge

[gustaf/tr] Ariadne: I can't remember in what forum, but I raised the issues faced by IRC in the modern world (persistent connection, mobile support etc etc) and was blithely told that ircv3 will fix all of that

Jun 30 14:29

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] ircv3 has plumbing to fix some of it, and more is coming

Jun 30 14:30

tr-bridge

[Ariadne/tr] but convincing people to stay in the game instead of switching to proprietary options, is the challenge

Jun 30 14:30

tr-bridge

[gustaf/tr] let's face it , the IRC user experience is janky AF

tr-bridge

[gustaf/tr] compared to something like Discord

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/government-must-have-power-to-reverse-crypto-transactions-says-co-chair-of-blockchain-caucus-11624995008

Librarian

Librarian

In the, "missing-the-point-entirely" department, here's an example of a guy opposing both software freedom and economic freedom.

tr-bridge

[gustaf/tr] and sure, they're closed source and VC subsidize,d but they can afford to have a team of people just polishing UI

Jun 30 14:32

tr-bridge

[gustaf/tr] UX rather

Jun 30 14:32

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Jun 30 14:32

schestowitz

Vista X

schestowitz

User X

schestowitz

experience = x

schestowitz

x is more exciting than an e

schestowitz

like "blue e"

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tr-bridge

[schestowitz/tr] back on

Jun 30 14:36

*Now talking on #techrights

Jun 30 14:36

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techrights-news

#zemlinPAC super-pumped to bring back the cash cow at the expense of people's safety ttps://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-linux-foundation-announces-registration-is-open-for-open-source-summit-and-more-fall-events-301322760.html see http://techrights.org/2021/01/25/linux-foundation-training-and-certifications/

Jun 30 14:38

tr-bridge

[techrights-news/tr] #zemlinPAC super-pumped to bring back the cash cow at the expense of people's safety ttps://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-linux-foundation-announces-registration-is-open-for-open-source-summit-and-more-fall-events-301322760.html see http://techrights.org/2021/01/25/linux-foundation-training-and-certifications/

Jun 30 14:38

-tr-bridge/#techrights-[TechrightsBot-tr/tr] techrights.org | The Linux Foundation, With Over 124 Million Dollars in Annual Revenue, is in Trouble Because of the Pandemic, So It’s Trying to Reinvent Itself as Training and Certifications Outfit | Techrights

Jun 30 14:38

Ariadne

gustaf: yes, but irccloud at least demonstrates it is possible to make all of this work

Jun 30 14:40

Ariadne

despite being SaaS, it is at least FOSS-friendly SaaS

Jun 30 14:41

techrights-news

An #EPYC escape: Case-study of a #KVM breakout https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2021/06/an-epyc-escape-case-study-of-kvm.html #security

Jun 30 14:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-googleprojectzero.blogspot.com | Project Zero: An EPYC escape: Case-study of a KVM breakout

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Ariadne

heh

Jun 30 14:42

techrights-news

Venice GW7100 compact industrial SBC packs one Gigabit Ethernet port, one mPCIe socket - CNX Software ⚓ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/30/venice-gw7100-sbc-gigabit-ethernet-mpcie-socket/ ䷉ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/30/#latest

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gustaf

yeah

gustaf

I e-know a bunch of people who use irccloud

Jun 30 14:44

gustaf

banning it was another weird decision

Jun 30 14:46

gustaf

(banning it from Freenode)

techrights-news

Surreal point & click horror adventure Strangeland released for Linux | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/surreal-point-a-click-horror-adventure-strangeland-released-for-linux ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/30/#latest

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techrights-news

Top-down stealth escape horror The Equinox Hunt is now on Linux | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/top-down-stealth-escape-horror-the-equinox-hunt-is-now-on-linux ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/30/#latest

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top-down stealth escape horror The Equinox Hunt is now on Linux | GamingOnLinux

techrights-news

"Free Game Wednesday? Yup! How about short, intriguing and incredible looking pixel-art mystery adventure with How We Know We're Alive. Missed this one originally as it didn't mention Linux in the announcement trailer but it seems it did release for Linux too!" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/how-we-know-were-alive-a-free-point-a-click-mystery-set-in-swedens-bible-belt

Jun 30 14:48

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How We Know We're Alive - a free point & click mystery set in Sweden's bible belt | GamingOnLinux

Jun 30 14:48

schestowitz

gustaf: maybe because of a tweet

Jun 30 14:50

schestowitz

'dissing' the "king of overdraft"

Jun 30 14:50

activelow

mr. lee said the old database was not destroyed, it was not migrated intentionally, had to dig inside logs where and when he said it

Jun 30 14:51

techrights-news

They overuse the term "edge" now... like they did clown https://www.suse.com/c/imaging-at-the-edge/

Jun 30 14:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imaging at the Edge | SUSE Communities

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techrights-news

#google tired of #microsoft abuses https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/222591 see http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/

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MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights

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techrights-news

The Big Set Of Networking Changes For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-Networking ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/30/#latest

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Ariadne

anyway enough hack fixes for now

Jun 30 14:58

Ariadne

ARIN is assigning a new /22 today

Jun 30 14:59

Ariadne

i will need to return the /24 soon

Jun 30 14:59

Ariadne

so we should plan on renumbering soon

Jun 30 14:59

schestowitz

is that better timed to coincide with today's swap?

Jun 30 15:00

schestowitz

For reasons unknown to me, maybe ipv6 or dns, on some machines I cannot access the sites, ssh seems to work ok, irc has settled

Jun 30 15:01

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blitzed

!COFFEE

Jun 30 15:12

techrights-news

This low-cost device uses tinyML on Arduino to detect respiratory diseases in pigs | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/30/this-low-cost-device-uses-tinyml-on-arduino-to-detect-respiratory-diseases-in-pigs/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/30/#latest

Jun 30 15:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This low-cost device uses tinyML on Arduino to detect respiratory diseases in pigs | Arduino Blog

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techrights-news

#Rakudo #compiler , Release #147 (2021.06) https://rakudo.org/post/announce-rakudo-release-2021.06 #programming #raklang

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MinceR

Jun 30 15:19

techrights-news

Pop!_OS 21.04 Released with New GNOME-based COSMIC Desktop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152837#comment-30104

Jun 30 15:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux Machines

Jun 30 15:20

techrights-news

#micosoft = knockoffs, vapourware, and bribed press/paid-for media coverage https://i.redd.it/495v78ir47871.png

Jun 30 15:22

techrights-news

#Games : Equinox Hunt and How We Know We’re Alive • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152865 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 30 15:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Equinox Hunt and How We Know We're Alive | Tux Machines

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techrights-news

#Kernel : Networking Changes For Linux 5.14 and #Intel Stuiff • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152866 #GPL #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 30 15:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Networking Changes For Linux 5.14 and Intel Stuiff | Tux Machines

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Jun 30 15:37

CrystalMath

techrights.org seems down for me

Jun 30 15:42

*XRevan86/fn reads the backlog where CrystalMath is twisting things to fit his idea of who's a good guy again.

Jun 30 15:42

XRevan86/fn

I cannot connect to irc.techrights.org for some reason. At least the bridge's working.

Jun 30 15:43

CrystalMath

i can connect, the bridge seemed down for a bit, but techrights.org itself doesn't work

Jun 30 15:44

CrystalMath

which is a bigger problem

Jun 30 15:44

XRevan86/fn

I tried to connect, failed, then restarted the bridge and entered through freenode.

Jun 30 15:44

MinceR

my client could automatically reconnect to irc.techrights.org

Jun 30 15:48

kingoffrance

funny, i couldnt connect to irc.techrights.org for almost an hour (was AFK, just based on timestamps), now in past 20 minutes magically came back up lol

Jun 30 15:49

kingoffrance

if you wait long enough, i predict it will magically fix itself

Jun 30 15:49

kingoffrance

its the in/out crowd :D </sarcasm>

Jun 30 15:50

CrystalMath

XRevan86: yeah i remember i was ranting something before going to sleep

Jun 30 15:50

CrystalMath

but i think it was probably at least halfway coherent

Jun 30 15:50

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Jun 30 15:52

Ariadne

heh

Jun 30 15:52

MinceR

ah yes, the good old in-out-in-out

Jun 30 15:53

kingoffrance

i just mean, wait and see if everyone can get in at once, or is it going to be "split" temporarily.

Jun 30 15:55

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techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▆▅▆▃▅▅▇▄▅▅▆▇▅▆▆▆▆▇▅▇▅▄▇▄▅▅▅▄▇▆▇▅▁ avg(k/sec) 28.90 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▁▁▃▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 14.71▕ swarm size (avg): 307.67 ⟲

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techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 30 16:03

Ariadne

CrystalMath: i fixed it

Jun 30 16:05

Ariadne

CrystalMath: i did not properly bifurcate my network

Jun 30 16:05

Ariadne

unfortunately, IOS-XR BGP was crashing hard due to whatever crap one of my IPv6 peers was sending it

Jun 30 16:06

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Jun 30 16:10

MinceR

lol

Jun 30 16:10

Ariadne

due to a BGP path with AS 0 in it

Jun 30 16:23

Ariadne

amazing

Jun 30 16:23

XRevan86

No matter when I decide to sleep, there are risks of a hole in local logs.

Jun 30 16:29

Ariadne

blame the jackass who decided to announce AS 0 into the BGP table

Jun 30 16:30

XRevan86

https://i.ibb.co/XphVNSB/image.png

Jun 30 16:32

techrights-news

"The biggest reason why Gmail and similar email providers can not be trusted to protecting users’ privacy is that they can share users’ data if demanded by the Governments through the courts." https://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/top-private-secure-email-providers

Jun 30 16:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxandubuntu.com | Top Private & Secure Email Providers [2021]

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Top 10 Best Linux Server Distributions in 2021 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152868

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 Best Linux Server Distributions in 2021 | Tux Machines

techrights-news

Top Private & Secure Email Providers [2021] • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152867

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top Private & Secure Email Providers [2021] | Tux Machines

CrystalMath

Ariadne: yeah it works now

Jun 30 16:41

techrights-news

"For this blog post, I’ll be introducing the GNOME and Librsvg from a newcomer’s perspective, aimed towards other newcomers or prospective newcomers, and going over how I chose to work on Librsvg." https://madds.hollandart.io/blog/outreachy/think/

Jun 30 16:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-madds.hollandart.io | How I chose Librsvg and First Steps for Contributing – /madds

Jun 30 16:41

techrights-news

COSMIC desktop environment makes its debut with release of Pop!_OS 21.04 Linux distribution http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152837#comment-30106

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux Machines

schestowitz

I was goint to say the same, CrystalMath

schestowitz

But i assumed there was still work underway

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-3449 ?

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techrights-news

Google brings Chrome OS Linux support to Intel 6th Gen ‘Skylake’ processors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152783#comment-30107

Jun 30 16:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Too little, too late: Linux app support is finally coming to Skylake Chromebooks | Tux Machines

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techrights-news

#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152869 #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 30 16:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

Jun 30 16:52

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"initial results of a first-of-its kind survey released today by Canonical, the publishers of Ubuntu." https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/06/30/2255898/0/en/85-of-Enterprises-Have-Yet-to-Cross-the-Chasm-to-Full-Kubernetes-and-Cloud-Native-Adoption-According-to-Industry-Global-Survey-from-Canonical.html

Jun 30 16:54

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globenewswire.com | 85% of Enterprises Have Yet to Cross the Chasm to Full

Jun 30 16:54

techrights-news

|The Next Critical Talent Shortage Won’t Be Fortran" https://www.oreilly.com/radar/code-as-infrastructure/

Jun 30 16:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oreilly.com | Code as Infrastructure – O’Reilly

Jun 30 16:55

techrights-news

" #Qt is looking for speakers, collaborators and industry thinkers to share their expertise and thoughts with the community in the upcoming Qt World Summit Online, November 3, 2021." https://www.qt.io/blog/call-for-presentations-for-qt-world-summit-2021

Jun 30 16:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Call for Presentations for Qt World Summit 2021

Jun 30 16:56

techrights-news

"This refreshed release comes with support for Windows and Linux" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/apogee-entertainment-surprise-releases-secret-agent-hd-a-remaster-of-the-90s-classic

Jun 30 16:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apogee Entertainment surprise releases Secret Agent HD, a remaster of the 90s classic | GamingOnLinux

Jun 30 16:58

techrights-news

#Radeon Pro Software for Enterprise 21.Q2 for Linux Driver Released - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Radeon-Pro-21.Q2-Linux-Driver ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/30/#latest

Jun 30 16:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Radeon Pro Software for Enterprise 21.Q2 for Linux Driver Released - Phoronix

Jun 30 16:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

Jun 30 16:59

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▄▅▆▅▆▃▅▂▆▁▂▅▆▃▄▇▅▆▆▃▅▅▃▃▇▆▃▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 26.11 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▂▃▂▁▂▃▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 12.21▕ swarm size (avg): 307.68 ⟲

Jun 30 17:01

techrights-news

Stadia vs. Shadow Cloud Gaming: Which is better? | Android Central ⚓ https://www.androidcentral.com/stadia-vs-shadow-cloud-gaming wrong way to do cross-platform for games, even if the server side runs #gnu #linux

Jun 30 17:02

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | Stadia vs. Shadow Cloud Gaming: Which is better? | Android Central

Jun 30 17:02

techrights-news

#Linux 5.14 Ready With Light Sensor + Human Presence Detection For Newer AMD Laptops • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152870 #Kernel #TuxMachines

Jun 30 17:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.14 Ready With Light Sensor + Human Presence Detection For Newer AMD Laptops | Tux Machines

Jun 30 17:05

techrights-news

#LinuxMint Monthly News – June 2021 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152871 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 30 17:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint Monthly News – June 2021 | Tux Machines

Jun 30 17:06

techrights-news

Tiny i.MX8M Mini SBC serves up mini-PCIe with PoE-enabled GbE ⚓ http://linuxgizmos.com/tiny-i-mx8m-mini-sbc-serves-up-mini-pcie-with-poe-enabled-gbe/ ䷉ #LinuxGizmos #Hardware #Devices #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/30/#latest

Jun 30 17:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/tiny-i-mx8m-mini-sbc-serves-up-mini-pcie-with-poe-enabled-gbe/ )

Jun 30 17:08

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#DeepinLinux Adds #Android App Support • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152872 #china

Jun 30 17:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Deepin Linux Adds Android App Support | Tux Machines

Jun 30 17:09

Ariadne

heh

Jun 30 17:27

cybrNaut/fn

XRevan86: you mentioned a TLS 1.2 CVE yesterday. Do you still have that link handy? this channel is high volume so it scrolled past my buffer size

Jun 30 17:28

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Jun 30 17:30

DaemonFC

Amazon bumped up my orders again. I'm going to be out this evening so I canceled them and it said oh we'll try but no promises.

Jun 30 17:31

DaemonFC

They sell some things that you just can't buy in the stores.

Jun 30 17:31

DaemonFC

COVID left half the businesses in Illinois closed forever. Amazon did way better than fine.

Jun 30 17:31

kingoffrance

Jun 30 17:33

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-security-tracker.debian.org | CVE-2021-3449

Jun 30 17:33

cybrNaut/fn

thanks kingoffrance, that's what I was after

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Jun 30 17:43

DaemonFC

https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/ct-lns-nerheim-appointed-judge-st-0107-20210106-iesxuk4pine5vae4e2hfukf4z4-story.html

Jun 30 17:48

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagotribune.com | Former Lake County State’s Attorney Michael Nerheim appointed to judgeship - Chicago Tribune

Jun 30 17:48

DaemonFC

Right after being voted out of office, they appointed him as a judge, where he can't be voted out unless he loses a retention question years from now.

Jun 30 17:49

DaemonFC

The crooks and liars who run this county just can't be stopped. You smack them down one place and they just pop up somewhere else.

Jun 30 17:50

DaemonFC

It's whack a mole.

Jun 30 17:52

DaemonFC

You lose an election and get a promotion. Judge outranks prosecutor because the judge ultimately decides what happens.

Jun 30 17:53

DaemonFC

schestowitz, I guess I'll ship my computer today.

Jun 30 17:54

DaemonFC

The NTFS support in Linux seems to have gotten better. I backed everything up just in case.

Jun 30 17:54

DaemonFC

I hope they can fix it quickly. Lenovo says 10-15 days turnaround, but some people say they didn't get their computer back for a month or more. At some point, Lenovo says if they can't fix it they just send you a new computer.

Jun 30 17:55

DaemonFC

If it's taking too long or you keep complaining that they didn't fix it and they grow tired of tearing it apart and trying to figure it out.

Jun 30 17:55

DaemonFC

I did a Zoom test call on my laptop with Fedora and it seems to work okay.

Jun 30 17:56

DaemonFC

I doubt this one will be in the repair bay by September 13th, but I also have a doctor visit on July 12th.

Jun 30 17:56

DaemonFC

Missing that wouldn't get me contempt of court, but he's a good doctor.

Jun 30 17:57

DaemonFC

He's getting kind of up there though. I hope he doesn't retire for a while. It's like everything else. All of the smart people, all of the ones who do a good job and care, they're retiring.

Jun 30 17:57

DaemonFC

Even down to the truck drivers. CNN reports that gas stations will run out of gas soon because nobody wants to work anymore.

Jun 30 17:58

DaemonFC

The ones that are old just said "That's enough of this." and retired and now they can't get gas to the gas stations to meet peak demand.

Jun 30 17:58

DaemonFC

schestowitz, I'm wondering about lightweight virtualization on Linux.

Jun 30 18:01

DaemonFC

I'm not aware of any distributions that have a feature that truly wall off the browser into a dedicated browsing environment.

Jun 30 18:02

DaemonFC

Except maybe Chrome OS.

Jun 30 18:03

DaemonFC

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/30/investing/robinhood-trading-fine-finra/index.html

Jun 30 18:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Robinhood slapped with biggest-ever penalty by Wall Street regulator - CNN

Jun 30 18:05

DaemonFC

LOL

Jun 30 18:05

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Jun 30 18:06

DaemonFC

The "trading app" got hit with a record $70 million fine from the federal government for illegally locking traders out to stop their own losses.

Jun 30 18:06

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Jun 30 18:06

kingoffrance

i dont know about lightweight, but isnt that somewhat what stuff like https://www.qubes-os.org/ is about? sectioning various things off into compartments. theres a couple such os

Jun 30 18:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qubes-os.org | Qubes OS: A reasonably secure operating system | Qubes OS

Jun 30 18:08

DaemonFC

All of these app CEOs think they're above the law and will remain that way forever.

Jun 30 18:09

kingoffrance

whenever hw virtualization became prevalent, a couple such os appeared IIRC

Jun 30 18:09

DaemonFC

Governments are tightening the noose on Bitcoin and people go right on trading it.

Jun 30 18:09

kingoffrance

i mean, i have no idea if those are meant for non-admins, or people who dont want to tinker with things, etc.

Jun 30 18:10

kingoffrance

just that they exist

Jun 30 18:10

DaemonFC

Mexico just locked out their banks from conducting any transactions involving crypto and China cut off the power to the part of the world with the most "mining" because they realize that not only does it threaten their own economy, but it also wastes a lot of electricity.

Jun 30 18:10

DaemonFC

The UK is banning entire exchanges now.

Jun 30 18:11

kingoffrance

and you could basically do such on any distro perhaps, just "manually"

Jun 30 18:11

DaemonFC

The trend is towards more regulations and maybe even bans, so this crypto bubble is completely unraveling and the only reason it hasn't popped entirely is because people are trying to pump it still.

Jun 30 18:11

DaemonFC

Governments that normally don't want to work together on much at all, all realize that they'll lose their collective control over the world's transactions if they don't work together to fight off crypto.

Jun 30 18:12

DaemonFC

So they are. It may not look coordinated, but it is.

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Jun 30 18:13

kingoffrance

really, stuff like openbsd pf you could make rules for a user IIRC, and give separate apps separate user/group/homedir/etc. just "manually" is perhaps a bit of work; freebsd jails, etc. even without virtualization, "manual" is perhaps better than nothing, if you have the time/patience to set it all up

Jun 30 18:14

kingoffrance

i guess its "containers" nowadays

Jun 30 18:14

DaemonFC

Between trading and crypto, if it looks like this is all an attempt to take us back to fiat money-only and the state of trading before apps, that's because that's what this is.

Jun 30 18:14

DaemonFC

They want this to be inside baseball stuff where you need to go through them to conduct research and execute orders.

kingoffrance

i always wanted to play with that https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/authpf.html#shell but never had a use-case

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openbsd.org | OpenBSD PF: User Shell for Authenticating Gateways (authpf)

DaemonFC

Retail banking shows very little profit these days. Most of the profits on deposit banking are fines and fees that they can cook up.

DaemonFC

The real estate market is now on the verge of another 2008-style collapse.

Jun 30 18:16

DaemonFC

schestowitz, The CDC and Illinois say the eviction moratorium ends on July 31st.

Jun 30 18:16

DaemonFC

So everyone in Illinois (and most of the country for that matter) who hasn't become current on their rent, is liable to be evicted August 1st or later.

Jun 30 18:16

DaemonFC

It'll really be at whatever pace their local sheriff can enforce it.

DaemonFC

Some will be that day, some will be months later.

DaemonFC

But it's finally going to happen.

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kingoffrance

i mean, distros wall off "daemons" this way is common for a long time, to give different daemons different users/groups/etc. you can do that with any program, if you have the patience to set it up

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Jun 30 18:23

kingoffrance

" all realize that they'll lose their collective control over the world's transactions if they don't work together to fight off crypto." i dunno, i thought some gov wanted their own eventually, or there are lots of articles kept saying that. fight off anything they dont authorize, yes.

Jun 30 18:26

kingoffrance

lots of that probably hype, but im not sure they want to kill of all crypto coins, just eventually replace the non-gov ones

Jun 30 18:28

kingoffrance

*that is *off

Jun 30 18:29

DaemonFC

Yes, and the architecture of NT is deficient in that way too.

Jun 30 18:31

DaemonFC

The system services either have a lot of permissions or they don't have many at all.

Jun 30 18:31

DaemonFC

Microsoft went a "different" way with isolation of permissions with levels of "integrity", and for legacy reasons you can't really contain many of the ones that were already there at the time (2006).

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Jun 30 18:45

leah

worst thing ever: you wake up, and want coffee but there is no milk

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Jun 30 18:54

leah

schestowitz: i'll have to think about what you've advised earlier. thanks again for the chats. sorry i had to duck out earlier, was very tired

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techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▅▄▅▄▆▇█▇▅▄▅▅▆▄▅▆▆▆▅▅▅▇▆▇▅▆▇▅▃▇▂▅▁ avg(k/sec) 29.45 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▃▂▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▃▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 30.03▕ swarm size (avg): 307.76 ⟲

Jun 30 19:00

MinceR

30 185049 < DaemonFC> The crooks and liars who run this county just can't be stopped. You smack them down one place and they just pop up somewhere else.

Jun 30 19:05

MinceR

they can be stopped with a revolution

Jun 30 19:05

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Jun 30 19:12

Ariadne

good to see that robinhood got smacked by a FINRA fine

Jun 30 19:17

Ariadne

their operation is really sketch

Jun 30 19:17

MinceR

they're not the only trading platform that manipulates the stock market though

Jun 30 19:19

DaemonFC

The appeals court let Bill Cosby out of prison.

Jun 30 19:19

MinceR

30 200540 < MinceR> 30 185049 < DaemonFC> The crooks and liars who run this county just can't be stopped. You smack them down one place and they just pop up somewhere else.

Jun 30 19:19

MinceR

30 200545 < MinceR> they can be stopped with a revolution

DaemonFC

But we're going after Ryan for a traffic violation that the cops didn't even see.

DaemonFC

MinceR, It's a good old boys club.

DaemonFC

The promotion tocircuit judge was a golden parachute after he lost the State's Attorney election.

https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/wannabe-aristocrats/

DaemonFC

It's a giant middle finger to democracy. The public voted him out and there he was again, days later, as a judge this time.

Jun 30 19:21

DaemonFC

Not to be outdone, MinceR

Jun 30 19:21

DaemonFC

I tried to contact my defense attorney from 2019 to represent me over this traffic bullshit.

Jun 30 19:22

DaemonFC

Found out he's an assistant State's Attorney now.

Jun 30 19:22

DaemonFC

So I can't talk to him because he's the enemy.

Jun 30 19:22

DaemonFC

<Ariadne> their operation is really sketch

Jun 30 19:23

DaemonFC

Yes, most of their money comes from fees charged to intermediaries. I won't pretend to understand it.

Jun 30 19:24

DaemonFC

Sounds like a conflict of interest to me.

Jun 30 19:24

DaemonFC

Like most "financial products", they assemble them in ways that torture logic and rational understanding.

Jun 30 19:24

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AdmFubar

Jun 30 19:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The obscenely rich of the 21st century are exposed as wannabe aristocrats - Alternet.org

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techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 30 21:01

immibis

is IPFS actually useful?

Jun 30 21:03

schestowitz

yes

Jun 30 21:05

schestowitz

today we had outages

Jun 30 21:05

immibis

what's the practical difference between having someone mirror your site on IPFS, and having two servers?

Jun 30 21:07

schestowitz

decentralised

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phobos/fn

Bill Cosby was released from prison after an appeals court vacated his conviction

Jun 30 21:23

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Jun 30 21:23

schestowitz

who next?

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/bill-cosby-released-prison-conviction-vacated/story?id=78582000

phobos/fn

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com | Bill Cosby released from prison after conviction vacated - ABC News

phobos/fn

In this case, it sounds like the judges felt that evidence was either illegally obtained or was twisted into something else

bagira/fn

isnt it weird how all these people who were torn down under similar stories are all getting vindicated later

phobos/fn

Trying to get a copy of the ruling to see what the exact grounds for vacating is

Jun 30 21:25

bagira/fn

speaking of which, lord_bagira continues to womp stomp open source snake ass on twitter: https://twitter.com/lord_bagira

Jun 30 21:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/lord_bagira )

Jun 30 21:26

phobos/fn

bagira: I'm not all together sure some of the evidence used against people wasn't manufactured... after all, what rape victim follows the alleged perp around for months or years across a country to attend every event and give them gifts?

Jun 30 21:26

phobos/fn

ah, I see. Cosby admitted to doing a few of the crimes in a deposition, but the cache was he would admit some liability in a civil case if the ADA did not prosecute...

Jun 30 21:28

phobos/fn

And the ADA successor broke the agreement and then leveled more charges... so the court ruled the trial never should have happened due to the broken agreement

Jun 30 21:28

bagira/fn

classic malfeascance. make a deal to get him to plead guilty to shit he didn't do, then prosecute him using his relenting to the deal as evidence

Jun 30 21:29

phobos/fn

Sounds like it to me. The only winners were the accusers which couldn't wait to file civil suits after the guilty verdict

phobos/fn

I think some of them are still going on today

bagira/fn

yep

bagira/fn

meanwhile someone's been in prison over it and has their reputation and legacy dismantled over the accusations

bagira/fn

same kind of shit we're seeing in f/oss these last few years just completely offline

phobos/fn

and in politics all over North America

bagira/fn

yes

bagira/fn

hollywood particularly got hit hard a few years back

phobos/fn

Canada just passed an 'online hate speech' act

phobos/fn

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone in Bollywood

Jun 30 21:32

phobos/fn

They all know what kind of back stabbing goes on there and they opt to stay

Jun 30 21:32

bagira/fn

Matt Garrett has been trying to pull that shit with me, his tactic is a little different, he will make vague allusions of which a reasonable person can only conclude are illegal acts, and then let the crowd make the formal accusation to try to obscure his liability since he knows i've got two litigators preparing to spitroast him

Jun 30 21:33

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bagira/fn

problem with that guy is he's built up an occult following from his previous smear campaigns

Jun 30 21:33

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phobos/fn

Who is Matt Garrett? Forgive my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with the new batch of MS paid FOSS astroturfers

bagira/fn

on the plus side while it's unfolding he's the perfect honeypot for identify who these people are

bagira/fn

*identifying

bagira/fn

and collecting their names into one place for exposure of how these campaigns work and who participates in them, and what that looks like

Jun 30 21:35

bagira/fn

phobos, matthew garrett is that wikipedia friendly that used to work on the kernel before he disgraced himself by association with the ada initiative, played a key role in the targeting of both jacob appelbaum and RMS

Jun 30 21:36

bagira/fn

and others

Jun 30 21:36

bagira/fn

more is coming out every day

Jun 30 21:36

bagira/fn

he was also involved in trying to inject a microsoft advantage into the kernel before that and got caught doing it

Jun 30 21:38

bagira/fn

"unofficial FAANG special ops"

Jun 30 21:39

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bagira/fn

dude is motivated though, like, from my perspective if he were to just retract and apologize for the smears, i'd consider forgetting about it and moving on, but he seems pretty determined not to do that

Jun 30 22:21

schestowitz

it is a waste of time

schestowitz

move on, get things done

schestowitz

on to another topic:

schestowitz

we're about to release some EPO expose

schestowitz

tomorrow most likely

bagira/fn

EPO?

schestowitz

just before Friday's heating

schestowitz

we need to keep the site online at all time

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO

schestowitz

Jun 30 22:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights

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Ariadne

fwiw i don’t plan to do the router intervention until next weekend

Jun 30 22:42

Ariadne

our current configuration is suboptimal but i’ve had enough drama for now

Jun 30 22:42

AdmFubar

https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/30/ibm_email_outage/

Jun 30 22:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has been a disaster, sources say • The Register

Jun 30 22:43

Ariadne

i wish whoever announced AS 0 into the default free zone a very “go fuck yourself”

Jun 30 22:44

Ariadne

hey bagira since you are here when will i be able to use ircclown with freenode

Jun 30 22:44

AdmFubar

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210629/07341847082/ohio-republicans-forced-to-back-off-unpopular-ban-community-broadband.shtml

Jun 30 22:45

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ohio Republicans Forced To Back Off Unpopular Ban On Community Broadband | Techdirt

Jun 30 22:45

bagira/fn

ariadne -- ask the staff, i dont work here

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Ariadne

i did they just talk about remotes.irc.com

Jun 30 22:48

bagira/fn

idgaf what they told you

Jun 30 22:48

MinceR

https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/roman.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/1099/ )

Jun 30 22:55

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Jun 30 22:55

XRevan86

https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/16394638?cid=16394754 "NoGNU/Linux" :D

Jun 30 22:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru | Дистрибутив Linux без GNU — Talks — Форум

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Jun 30 23:08

schestowitz

XRevan86: what does that say?

schestowitz

I've just recorded a 32-min video btw

schestowitz

re EPO

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schestowitz

Ariadne: the EPO is in shambles now

schestowitz

but they bribe the media and law firms are afraid to speak out

XRevan86

schestowitz: seiken replies to a question that goes "what is Stallman's position on this?" with "he will insist that this should be called "NoGNU/Linux" and not just "Linux"" in a topic about a distribution that doesn't include GNU software called Iglunix.

Jun 30 23:10

Ariadne

i define GNU/Linux as using glibc and implementing the LSB

Ariadne

that’s the only definition that actually makes sense

XRevan86

SomeGNU/Linux :)

Ariadne

because it means something: a program compiled for GNU/Linux is compatible with other GNU/Linuxes

Phanes/fn

not necessarily

Jun 30 23:14

Phanes/fn

thats why lsb was introduced

Ariadne

well even with lsb there’s still incompatibilities :(

Phanes/fn

because everybody stopped working together

Phanes/fn

and stopped caring about cross-distro standards

Phanes/fn

FHS is another

Ariadne

now days it’s systemd/linux

Ariadne

:)))))

Ariadne

lennart is making gnu/linux great again

Jun 30 23:16

schestowitz

he makes it.. different

Jun 30 23:17

sepsinn

lol

Jun 30 23:17

schestowitz

I hope IBM's actions will enlighten the non-critics

schestowitz

IBM works only for IBM

schestowitz

[11:47] <techrights-news> #redhat is no longer a "Linux company". It's an IBM company and it acts accordingly. http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights

schestowitz

(hours ago

schestowitz

zoobab said that Red Hat was hoarding software patents, including on systemd, to inflate the sale value

schestowitz

IBM uses software patents aggressively

schestowitz

the vendor lockin was 'added value'

schestowitz

openshift, ansible, systemd, podman...

schestowitz

that helps them sell support for things they know best and can fix for clients

Phanes/fn

yeah RH has been playing a little dirty in the container space the last few years

schestowitz

they don't want a gnu/linux as commodity

schestowitz

with kvm, puppet, upstart etc.

Jun 30 23:20

Phanes/fn

its a single product market for the most part and thats a market vulnerability not a profit point for them

Jun 30 23:20

schestowitz

now we have clients asking things like, do you know how to do ansible?

Jun 30 23:20

Phanes/fn

yep

schestowitz

because some people have cladded their infra with this stuff

schestowitz

and so we need to learn IBM OSPS

Phanes/fn

oh im in that space i have to live it

schestowitz

(OpenSourceProprietarySoftware)

Phanes/fn

i was kind of hoping they'd pull an apple and go so far off from what the market was doing that they didn't matter

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Phanes/fn

but this OCI thing from burns was potentially a nail in the coffin for that semi-monopoly

Jun 30 23:22

Phanes/fn

they just dont realize it yet

Jun 30 23:23

Phanes/fn

RH's product management has never been terribly informed

Jun 30 23:24

Phanes/fn

so they may just drive off a cliff suddenly chasing the shiny

Jun 30 23:24

Phanes/fn

then goofs like perrin at MSFT are in the same boat, they just don't have the skills to be working those roles and are banking off the entity visibility to coast, without realizing they're the best unaware double agent that foss can have

Jun 30 23:25

Ariadne

have to say containers has been a wild ride

Jun 30 23:26

Phanes/fn

all the faang corps are vulnerable right now and dont realize it

Jun 30 23:26

schestowitz

some operate at a loss

schestowitz

google clown engine, 6 billion dollars operating losses

schestowitz

not sure if annual or quarterly

schestowitz

azure also a failure

schestowitz

they said they'd beat aws... by 2017 :-)

schestowitz

aws was not profitable until some years ago

schestowitz

now they overcharge people who are locked in

Phanes/fn

gcp did ok, better than azure

schestowitz

6 billion in losses

Phanes/fn

azure sucks gigantic donkey balls in pretty much every platform attribute besides their native services / composite services offerings

https://techcrunch.com/2021/02/02/google-cloud-lost-5-6b-in-2020/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Cloud lost $5.6B in 2020 – TechCrunch

schestowitz

annual

schestowitz

not quartedly

schestowitz

*quarerly if was maybe this bad years prior

schestowitz

but they kept it secret

Ariadne

all of those cloud things are a scam

schestowitz

"public" company, secret finances

http://techrights.org/2020/07/23/microsoft-defrauding-again/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is Defrauding Its Shareholders While Laying Off About 5,000 Workers | Techrights

Phanes/fn

not really

schestowitz

Ariadne: what is clown?

schestowitz

everything.

schestowitz

now "edge"

schestowitz

and "iot"

schestowitz

with "ai"

Phanes/fn

you can do big shit on aws

schestowitz

(i.e. code)

Ariadne

edge is good actually

Phanes/fn

gcp has some capability

Ariadne

edge is the market swinging back to sanity

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Phanes/fn

"edge" is a marketing concept not an architecture concept

Ariadne

right exactly

schestowitz

I heard they worked to make server hardware more expensive

schestowitz

so that companies stop self-hosting

schestowitz

and outsource instea

Ariadne

edge is basically marketing the idea of running your own infra again

Phanes/fn

....no it is not

schestowitz

that would help the mass surveillance (by centralisation of everything) agenda

Ariadne

yeah it basically is

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schestowitz

LF does lots of "edge" marketing

schestowitz

I mentioned this in the video I'm uploading at the moment

Phanes/fn

IOT is falling out of favor except with the monoliths where they hardcoded it into billing identifiers

MinceR

"edge" on your desktop, "edge" in your pocket

Phanes/fn

they just the shit for different things and keep it under the old umbrella

Phanes/fn

re-use

Jun 30 23:32

Ariadne

i mean it’s all bullshit marketing but i would like to see servers back in offices

Ariadne

where they belong

schestowitz

yup

Ariadne

instead of processing peoples data on god knows what cloud

schestowitz

well, which office?

schestowitz

first we got rid of our server

schestowitz

and whole rack

Ariadne

the office of the company i am doing business with

schestowitz

then the office, due to covid

Ariadne

Ariadne

idk shove it in somebody’s house and get them a metro ethernet connection

schestowitz

yes, that would be nice

schestowitz

also cheaper, collectively

schestowitz

upload speeds are sucky by design

schestowitz

so it takes me hours to upload one video...

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Ariadne

point is i want my data processed on hardware controlled by the company processing my data

Ariadne

that should be the goal

Ariadne

and ideally that company should use free software to do it

Ariadne

so that i can audit it if i wish

schestowitz

that's the goal

schestowitz

fsf should speak more about it

schestowitz

hours ago: How your support fuels the #GNU #GPL • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152885 #fsf

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How your support fuels the GNU GPL | Tux Machines

Ariadne

anyway people i know are working on that in alpine community and that gets marketed by LF and others as “edge”

schestowitz

I'm 'at work' at the moment

schestowitz

will post links when my shift is over

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Ariadne

but as phanes notes

schestowitz

Ariadne: until they shift to another buzzword

Ariadne

that’s really just some marketing bullshit

schestowitz

"fog computing" caught on for a while

Ariadne

yep i remember that

schestowitz

MinceR and I said that ~7 years ago as a joke

schestowitz

then it became a real thing

schestowitz

"fog computing"

schestowitz

so we rolled on to CLOWN computing

schestowitz

I doubt anyone will want to make THAT a REAL thing

schestowitz

unless the circus with animals in it makes a comeback

MinceR

what, they seriously call something "fog computing" now?

schestowitz

or if l0de gets something going with that clownfest of his

l0de/fn

What clownfest

l0de/fn

ircclown?

schestowitz

MinceR: they did around 2017-2018

schestowitz

l0de regard that

Phanes/fn

the last time I saw actual innovation happening at the platform design level SOA was still a commonly used architectural style

schestowitz

as another domain to register

l0de/fn

I believe jwhaere has copyrighted ircclown

l0de/fn

I'm using that service right now as my bouncer

schestowitz

lol

Phanes/fn

MSA was supposed to replace it but ended up just being SOA minus a bus

schestowitz

anyway, that would be trademarked

schestowitz

you cannot copyright a word

schestowitz

also, trademarks cost $

l0de/fn

v true, I spoke in error

schestowitz

(USPTO charges a lot for them)

l0de/fn

yes, ircclown generates $5 a month from each user

Phanes/fn

x20000 less suddenly this month

l0de/fn

which Jwhaere spends mostly on gold chains, car rims, and paying people to ghostwrite diss raps for his beef with andrew lee

MinceR

schestowitz: lol

schestowitz

we need to mock buzzwords

schestowitz

it's the only way to defeat them

schestowitz

so that schools don't teach 'apps'

l0de/fn

There's a natural cycle of linguistic churn that any individual is usually powerless to significantly change

schestowitz

and instead teach programming, sys admin, diagnosis

l0de/fn

Only large media figures can generally wield language in that way

schestowitz

they used to teach GUIs (e.g. Office)

schestowitz

then Java

schestowitz

then stuff like frameworks

Phanes/fn

they pretty much are already by all levels of most organizations besides CIO/CTOs because its the only way to appear to know how technology works when all they know is how to read gartner reports designed to exploit them

schestowitz

which are usually GUIs with abstractions that less <5 years

https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED715/5b4c82823f0d6.jpeg

MinceR

schestowitz

we need SBCs in every classroom

Phanes/fn

(re: buzzwords being made fun of)

schestowitz

give the pupils programming assignments

schestowitz

the programmable boards are expensive, a raspi is cheap

Phanes/fn

what i dont understand is how gartner still has any credibility left after about 10 years of calling the wrong shot over and over, and over and over

Phanes/fn

like they literally cannot seem to pick a winning horse

schestowitz

MinceR: yes, I think we used that in techrights at one point

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gartner Group - Techrights

schestowitz

I met with a Swiss and French TV crew to do footage on Gartner

schestowitz

a documentary on what scammers they are

schestowitz

they even paid me for the time

Phanes/fn

nice

Phanes/fn

yeah need more of that in the public consciousness

schestowitz

they have capital

schestowitz

so they control a lot of media and perceptions

Phanes/fn

i dont know if companies would by it without a huge amount of publicity around it though because if gartner goes away it'll create an entire caste of executive across the skyline that is cut off from their only semi-credible source of market intel with no skills to do anything on their own for the most part

Phanes/fn

*buy

http://techrights.org/2009/08/23/gartner-group-censorship-intimidation/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gartner Group Shows Its True Colours — Censors Reporters | Techrights