Bonum Certa Men Certa

Manuel Estrada Sainz (ranty), Andres Garcia (ErConde) & Debian Deaths overworking

posted by Roy Schestowitz on Feb 21, 2024

People have noticed that Thiemo Seufer's death in a car accident occurred after working on Christmas Day. That was in 2008. It turns out there was a precedent for this.

Manuel Estrada Sainz (ranty) and Andres Garcia (ErConde) from Seville traveled to the city of Valencia, on the other side of Spain for the Congreso de Software Libre.

The conference ran from Thursday, 6 May to Saturday, 8 May 2004. It looks like they spent one extra day and night in the Valencia region at the home of Jesus Climent (mooch) who lives south of Valencia in Gandia.

They used Sunday night to try and drive all the way back to Seville. According to reports, they completed ninety-nine percent of the journey and then died in a car accident.

The deaths were discussed on the debian-private gossip network. Robert Millan commented that Sr Estrada had worked all night at a previous DebConf.

I found an archived copy of Sr Estrada's web site. It has a large banner on the front page, Wellcome to HELL. Coincidentally, the distance from Valencia to Seville is approximately 666km.

Manuel Estrada Sainz, ranty, Debian, Seville

Manuel Estrada Sainz, ranty, Debian, Seville

I can imagine that drive, it is a similar distance as the journey from Melbourne to Canberra.

A tribute page was created. It tells us that the site of the accident was Alcalá de Guadaira but there are no other details about how the accident came about or whether any third parties were injured. There are 347 comments on the tribute page. They tell us that Sr Estrada was a graduate of the University of Salamanca while Andres Garcia had previously been involved in activities in Malaga.

Police road safety campaigns tell us that driving without sleep makes us ten times more likely to be involved in a crash.

After the car accident, people immediately began to talk about making a tribute to Sr Estrada and Sr Garcia. Yet when Frans Pop committed suicide, people wanted to avoid a tribute. People who drive without sleep are not only a risk to themselves, they are also a risk to other drivers, cyclists, pedestrians and cats. Therefore, if they did take this risk, are they really more deserving than Frans Pop when it comes to a public tribute or dedication?

In the same year as the conference, the Valencia region committed to use free software. The desktop OS, Lliurex, is derived from Edubuntu, Ubuntu and Debian. A report claims they have saved €36 million with this strategy but the lives lost producing Debian, including those who died on the drive home, are not mentioned in the report at all.

Read more about the history and evolution of the Debian Harassment & Abuse culture

How we were informed about the casualties

Subject: A fellow DD passed away last night
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:06 +0200 (CEST)
From: jesus.daniel@hispalinux.es
To: debian-private@lists.debian.org

Dear DDs.
Last night Manuel Estrada Sainz, along with another friend, Andres Garcia, passed away in a car accident. The details of the accident itself are still unknown. I was the last person to see them alive before they left from my home town, Gandia, and the news have struck me so badly that I will be taking few days off. My mind and my heart are with both of them.
Jesus Climent aka mooch@d.o

Discussion of dedications and comparison to Chris Rutter

Subject: Re: A fellow DD passed away last night
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:13:54 +0200
From: Wouter Verhelst <wouter@grep.be>
To: debian-private@lists.debian.org
CC: debian-private@lists.debian.org

On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 02:47:45PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, 12 May 2004, Jesus Climent wrote: > > > teo@d.o, and other friends: dedicate sarge to his memory and put the next > > machine which enters the project with the name of Ranty. I will be putting a > ACK, even if I would love if we would run in trouble to find further names > for our machines according this naming scheme.
This was proposed on a previous occasion, too; when Chris Rutter died, on March 1, 2001, the same proposal was made by various other people. Back then, it was decided not to do this, because Joel Klecker was viewed upon as a special case -- one whom everybody knew as being very active and very dedicated regarding Debian.
The same wasn't true about Chris Rutter; for that reason, woody wasn't dedicated to his memory, nor did we name a machine after him. Instead, his name is still on the frontpage of the log viewing system he designed, which is now available at http://buildd.debian.org/
I'm not saying we should not, in any case, do what has been proposed here; but on the other hand, we should not go like "somebody died, we should dedicate a machine and a release to him or her" -- this should be something we can all agree on, rather than an automated response. If we don't do it that way, the end result will be that we have a number of people we're trying to remember, without remembering who they were.
What was done in the case of Chris Rutter was that he was given honour in a few areas, those where he had done the most work. That is why I can now say that Chris Rutter was an ARM porter who died in a car accident, rather than the far more vague "Chris Rutter was some random Debian Developer who died a few years ago".
Wouldn't it be better to do something similar here, too?
-- EARTH smog | bricks AIR -- mud -- FIRE soda water | tequila WATER -- with thanks to fortune

Worked all night at DebConf

Subject: Re: A fellow DD passed away last night
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:22:11 +0200
From: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>
To: debian-private@lists.debian.org

I remember Manuel Estrada (ranty) as a very nice person. I spent the whole last night of debconf-es talking and hacking with him and other fellows. I believe I met Andres at debconf-es too, but didn't have the chance to know him further, I'm afraid.
I want to share the photos with you:
http://people.debian.org/~rmh/debconf-es/debconf-es-2%20009.jpg (with Guillem Jover and me)
http://people.debian.org/~rmh/debconf-es/debconf-es-2%20012.jpg (hacking on his laptop)
http://people.debian.org/~rmh/debconf-es/debconf-es-2%20015.jpg
So long, Manuel. I'll miss you.
-- Robert Millan
"[..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work."
-- J.R.R.T., Ainulindale (Silmarillion)

Read more about the history and evolution of the Debian Harassment & Abuse culture

Other Recent Techrights' Posts

IBM Says That Half of Its "Assets" is Basically Pure Fiction ("Goodwill")
It times get tough, IBM can sell "Goodwill" at the local pawn shop and pay back the lenders, right?
 
S.E.O. SPAM by Serial Sloppers With L.L.M. Garbage is Hurting Linux
We continue to run Slopwatch
Links 01/02/2025: Administrative Chaos and Aviation Disasters Persist
Links for the day
Arrested: Albanian Outreachy whistleblowers, Sonny Piers GNOME & Debian connections
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
Links 1/2/2025: LLM Hype Revisited, Linuxwashing by Oumi
Links for the day
Growing Evidence That the Patent Industry Has Become a Major Scam
Seeing that the patent "industry" has turned to serious crimes (sometimes to cover up corruption) and seeing that the net negative is clearer for all to see, people who argue for abolition of all patents will have a field day
Planet Ubuntu Overrun by LLM Slop? Faizul "Piju" 9M2PJU Seems to be Publishing Fake Articles About "Linux"...
Maybe it is "assisted" by LLM slop, but slop is slop and it introduces many problems
Gemini Links 01/02/2025: LLMs, Analog Computer, and BorgBackup
Links for the day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Friday, January 31, 2025
IRC logs for Friday, January 31, 2025
Links 31/01/2025: Mass Layoffs at Amazon and Microsoft, Sweden Again Fails to Protect Critics of Violence
Links for the day
Slopwatch: Fake Articles About "Linux" and More (Latest Roundup Featuring BetaNews, Janus Atienza, and Brittany Day From Guardian Digital, Inc)
LLM slop season
Microsoft Staff Explains How Microsoft Swindled Employees and Avoided Paying Out Severance Pay (Microsoft Hasn't Much Money Left in the Bank)
This is a classic way to avoid paying workers
"Not one of us" by Dr. Andy Farnell
Elon Musk has brought embarrassment to nerds and technologists
Gemini Links 31/01/2025: "Bulletin Buble" and "Why Blog?"
Links for the day
Static Site Generators (SSGs) Pay Off: Vastly Faster Sites, Much Smaller Hosting Bills
success story for SSGs
Of Note: Linux Foundation Has Already Let Linux.com Rot for About 4 Months (No Activity)
there's no campaign aside from marketing spam there
Techrights Should be Even Faster Now
We're now better off
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Thursday, January 30, 2025
IRC logs for Thursday, January 30, 2025
Richard Stallman (RMS) Gave 3 Talks in India in Less Than a Week
In India this month we've not seen a single negative comment about RMS
Indian Data Biases statCounter For or Against "Linux"
In statCounter, the GNU/Linux increases and decreases are deeply tied to what it does with data collected in India
The Corporate Media Pretends That Facebook ("Meta") Has Performed Well, But Its Debt Doubles Every 2 Years Despite Mass Layoffs
That same media also helps parrot misleading financial claims
Microsoft's Debt Surged by More Than 6,000,000,000 Dollars in Just 3 Months
numbers released hours ago
The Sheer Irony of Microsoft Proxy Accusing Others of 'Stealing'
Wherever DeepSick's data came from, Microsoft (or its proxy) is in no position to issue criticism.
The Difference a Decade (and GAFAM Money) Makes
Credibility cannot be purchased
[Meme] The Free Software Foundation (FSF) Has Critics Because Its Message is Effective
Applying to others the same standards one is willing to violate?
The Free Software Foundation (FSF) Raised $422,000 (Another $22k in the Two Weeks After Campaign Ended), Proving That Truth and Justice Tend to Find a Way
10,000+ dollars a week even without campaigning for more funds
Faking Revenue Increase by Buying Your Own Products and Services (Through Scams and Scammers Like Scam Altman)
Is this what society deserves? Media that instead of exposing corruption has chosen to participate in it and profit from it?
Microsoft Mass Layoffs Without Severance Pay Reported Hours After Microsoft Reported Weak Numbers and Microsoft Stock Fell
Microsoft has a bloodbath this month
Links 30/01/2025: Fentanylware (TikTok) Causes Deaths, FBI Seizes Domains
Links for the day
Gemini Links 30/01/2025: Action vs Inaction, Gopherholes, and More
Links for the day
Another Slew of Fake Articles About 'Linux' and 'Security' From Brittany Day at linuxsecurity.com (Spamfarm/Slopfarm)
linuxsecurity.com is basically a pariah and parasite. It lessens the incentive to write real articles about "Linux" by generating fake ones to outrank the originals.
Links 30/01/2025: Microsoft Wants Convicted Felon to Give Fentanylware (TikTok) to It (After Making a Phonecall Asking for That in 2019), "Moving Away From Google's Ecosystem"
Links for the day
Jack M. Germain (LinuxInsider) Seems to Have Turned to LLM Slop, Graphics Slop, and B2B SPAM
LinuxInsider is barely active anymore
Links 30/01/2025: Amazon Layoffs and DeepSeek Panic
Links for the day
Gemini Links 30/01/2025: Chaos Reigns, E-mail, Searching
Links for the day
IBM: Many Thousands of Layoffs in 2025
If 2025 is expected to be the same, then perhaps about 20,000 IBM workers will no longer be there
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, January 29, 2025
IRC logs for Wednesday, January 29, 2025