| schestowitz | BN spews dome errors now | Jan 13 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | BN is down | Jan 13 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | Soooooo slow........... it's doing like 5,000 pages/hour, I think (can't check Coral). It's turtle speed now... one single Red Hat server. | Jan 13 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | IDG is citing/quoting the 'analyst' that said Android and Symbian would join (of course they didn't!): http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?... | Jan 13 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | Still hardly there... | Jan 13 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(01:09 $)âââ¬> ping boycottnovell.com | Jan 13 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | PING boycottnovell.com (72.29.75.151) 56(84) bytes of data. | Jan 13 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=22 ttl=47 time=104 ms | Jan 13 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=23 ttl=47 time=104 ms | Jan 13 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=24 ttl=47 time=104 ms | Jan 13 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | China acts to curb antibiotics abuse < http://shanghaiist.com/2009/01/13/ch... > | Jan 13 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | From Yahoo! to Google: Delicious Founder Joshua Schachter Joins Google http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/12/confirme... | Jan 13 01:12 |
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| tessier_ | BN was just cited on my LUG mailing list. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/04/micr... | Jan 13 01:46 |
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| tessier_ | First time I've seen anyone from my LUG paying attention to BN | Jan 13 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | Cool, thanks! | Jan 13 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | We lost many visits | Jan 13 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | I put it on Coral, but it was too much. | Jan 13 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | But I did the best I could, so no regrets are necessary | Jan 13 01:47 |
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| tessier_ | Lost many visits? How? | Jan 13 01:50 |
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| schestowitz | No response to their pings | Jan 13 01:53 |
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| schestowitz | We were up and down, unresponsive much of the time | Jan 13 01:53 |
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| schestowitz | It's beginning to stablise now, I think. | Jan 13 01:53 |
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| schestowitz | The issue is that lots of cross-references lead to lots of MySQL queries per visit. There's also room for optimising the page by removing some stuff like related posts (very CPU/RAM-intensive) | Jan 13 01:54 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, stunning, windows 7 offers ODF as a 'other format' when saving, imagine that ;) | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | They do it in order not to lose | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| neighborlee | just nice to see ODF getting its due | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it won. | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| neighborlee | :)) | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | But Microsoft's crime won't be forgotten | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| neighborlee | exactly. | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | It fought against ODf like fire | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | It even had people fired | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | Like Peter Quinn | Jan 13 01:56 |
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| neighborlee | nice article on gap vs linux..very enlightening, though not to those of us that get whats going on from the start of course | Jan 13 01:56 |
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| schestowitz | I have about 40 more on the pipeline | Jan 13 01:57 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Jan 13 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | I'd have to drop other activities. | Jan 13 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | There are actually thousands potentially... like 3000 | Jan 13 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | I've got time... | Jan 13 01:57 |
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| neighborlee | woah | Jan 13 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | Doug posts a lot in USENET these days and it drives the Munchkins bananas. They thought it had been buried. | Jan 13 01:58 |
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| neighborlee | im disgusted burris may indeed take his seat.. | Jan 13 01:58 |
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| neighborlee | and that race card was used its just as disgusting. | Jan 13 01:58 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, not sure if I missed something or...but the pdf gap vs. linux has no attachments ? | Jan 13 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | Let me see.. | Jan 13 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | What do you mean by attacments? | Jan 13 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | *h | Jan 13 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | It has the PDF linked to it, just tested it... and it's A OK :-) | Jan 13 02:22 |
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| neighborlee | well I downloaded pdf thinking that was all I needed | Jan 13 02:25 |
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| neighborlee | is there more | Jan 13 02:25 |
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| neighborlee | pdf is tiny content wize | Jan 13 02:25 |
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| neighborlee | all it says , is here you go, see attachments, dont give this out to anyone ;) | Jan 13 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | Scroll down | Jan 13 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | There are 30 pages! | Jan 13 02:29 |
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| neighborlee | ah crap | Jan 13 02:29 |
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| neighborlee | ic that now LOL | Jan 13 02:29 |
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| neighborlee | well it looked like it was just a short memo, 'with attachments' ;) | Jan 13 02:29 |
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| neighborlee | sigh,,a very odd way to write something ;) | Jan 13 02:29 |
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| neighborlee | anyway a very good thing to get out there, and with this info I cant imagine anyone anymore wondering if we should trust things from Microsoft especially with patents attached LOL ;) | Jan 13 02:30 |
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| neighborlee | bush last press conference..what a major DISASTER o_0 | Jan 13 02:31 |
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| neighborlee | talk about denial | Jan 13 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | Bush? | Jan 13 02:32 |
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| neighborlee | yuppers | Jan 13 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't watch it. | Jan 13 02:32 |
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| neighborlee | you missed nothing. | Jan 13 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | Any dying turkeys in the bg? | Jan 13 02:32 |
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| neighborlee | except a headache re: this guy was our president ?? ;)) | Jan 13 02:32 |
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| neighborlee | LOL | Jan 13 02:32 |
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| neighborlee | nope,,,,dying humans, as they fent off disgust over him being our 'president'.. | Jan 13 02:33 |
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| neighborlee | EEK gad < | Jan 13 02:33 |
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| schestowitz | Presidents are there for a job | Jan 13 02:36 |
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| schestowitz | It's not to serve the public | Jan 13 02:37 |
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| neighborlee | well he certainly never got that :) | Jan 13 02:37 |
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| neighborlee | he actually thought the presidency was just for show apparantly <wink> | Jan 13 02:37 |
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| neighborlee | no regard for anything but his own bloated ego.,,the phrase of his legacy surely is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/midd... :) | Jan 13 02:39 |
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| schestowitz | He's not the first | Jan 13 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | In fact, I think they all are. | Jan 13 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | They serve those who pay their bills (not the taxpayers) | Jan 13 02:43 |
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| neighborlee | my friend would find that mana from heaven in that he'd see it as more evidence of the whole conspriacy theory on the illuminati and free masonry threat ;) | Jan 13 02:45 |
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| neighborlee | I did however see a very strange public tv talk show where they mentioned this book called , dr marys monkey I think it was..very provocative stuff ! | Jan 13 02:46 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, we can hope obama is different in that regard. | Jan 13 02:47 |
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| neighborlee | though atm, that hugely depends who you ask :) | Jan 13 02:47 |
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| schestowitz | Different yes.. | Jan 13 02:47 |
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| schestowitz | In some ways... but the system will eat him alive | Jan 13 02:47 |
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| neighborlee | might yup | Jan 13 02:48 |
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| schestowitz | It's not like one person can change the government. He's just a public face | Jan 13 02:48 |
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| schestowitz | People move him like a puppet on strings. | Jan 13 02:48 |
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| neighborlee | I think so far , on some small'ish level it already has, with the burris incident' | Jan 13 02:48 |
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| schestowitz | Same in many other cases where you have familiar faces. | Jan 13 02:48 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, anivar | Jan 13 02:48 |
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| schestowitz | What's the burris incident? I missed it. | Jan 13 02:49 |
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| neighborlee | well bush certainly got his way, with the iraq war though there were very bright people telling him you should n ot be doing this,,, | Jan 13 02:49 |
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| neighborlee | so I dont know about the whole puppet thing ;) | Jan 13 02:49 |
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| neighborlee | well | Jan 13 02:49 |
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| neighborlee | one sec | Jan 13 02:49 |
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| schestowitz | Money drives wars | Jan 13 02:50 |
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| schestowitz | Logic sometimes drives peace, but never mind. | Jan 13 02:50 |
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| neighborlee | http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/c... | Jan 13 02:50 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Jan 13 02:51 |
| neighborlee | I find this whole thing a huge mess with obama | Jan 13 02:51 |
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| neighborlee | obama did not want burris seated, now here he is looking as if he's going to be seated , along with congress seeming to take a pie in the face about it...stupid mess. | Jan 13 02:52 |
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| neighborlee | what is really sad, is a friend of his got up to talk to press a week or so ago, after burris annouced himself and what was going on,- and said that this burris refusal smacks of racism...I find this whole thing a sad mess and glad I dont live in chicago. | Jan 13 02:54 |
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| schestowitz | Let me see | Jan 13 02:54 |
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| neighborlee | yeah sorry..take a read see what you think | Jan 13 02:55 |
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| schestowitz | I'm reading it too fast | Jan 13 02:55 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I trust you that it stinks | Jan 13 02:55 |
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| neighborlee | well | Jan 13 02:55 |
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| schestowitz | This was predictale and I write about s/w's involvement | Jan 13 02:56 |
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| neighborlee | s/w ? | Jan 13 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | Same with the copyrights cartel that Obama already entertains. | Jan 13 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | sofwtare | Jan 13 02:56 |
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| neighborlee | ah yes | Jan 13 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | See Obama @ BN (search the site) | Jan 13 02:56 |
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| neighborlee | ah ok | Jan 13 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of connections to MS | Jan 13 02:56 |
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| neighborlee | oh great | Jan 13 02:57 |
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| schestowitz | Both parties.. | Jan 13 02:58 |
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| neighborlee | maybe his change mantra willl include foss which willl help free many people :) | Jan 13 02:58 |
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| schestowitz | They (MS) put money in all baskets | Jan 13 02:59 |
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| neighborlee | this surprises me not ;) | Jan 13 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | Butter the two sides of the toast and so on and so forth. | Jan 13 02:59 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Jan 13 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of companies do this | Jan 13 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | Oil companies too | Jan 13 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's a government driven by the mega-corps | Jan 13 02:59 |
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| neighborlee | thast why capitalism is such a horrid thing...its too controlling, but thats me. | Jan 13 02:59 |
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| neighborlee | obama is right at least about one thing wherein he wants to bridge the nasty gap between the classes | Jan 13 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | Capitalism is good if implemented right | Jan 13 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | But hat's a commericial model | Jan 13 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | The problem is lack of democracy in the US | Jan 13 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's only an illusion of choice | Jan 13 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | People are given two options, both of which have the same forces behind them, just different faces. | Jan 13 03:02 |
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| neighborlee | people in important places, all due to money and influence ;) | Jan 13 03:02 |
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| neighborlee | of course we dont have a true demomcracy :) | Jan 13 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | They also get elevated or elected from secret societies | Jan 13 03:02 |
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| neighborlee | you mean like skulll and bones etal ? | Jan 13 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | Same here in the UK, with Tony Blair and Gordon Brown both being raised by high class of secret meetings and arragements round trade agreements and such agenda. | Jan 13 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | No, no "skull & bones" | Jan 13 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | That's too crazy to me. | Jan 13 03:03 |
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| neighborlee | ok just checking. | Jan 13 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | I'm talking about meetings you can see. | Jan 13 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | Like annual Bilderberg meetings. | Jan 13 03:04 |
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| neighborlee | my friend thinks so,,also about masonic people being evil yadda.. | Jan 13 03:04 |
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| neighborlee | ah | Jan 13 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | The Gates family is there and so are the big ecnomists who probably know what was coming all along (global slump) | Jan 13 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | They try to maintain dominance in the west despite heavy debt to the east, for example. | Jan 13 03:04 |
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| neighborlee | ah ic | Jan 13 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | But they don't tell this to people | Jan 13 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | Keep those 'kids' (little people) ignorant and happy | Jan 13 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | "Let them spend and work heard while 'we' adults decide what's good for them: | Jan 13 03:05 |
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| schestowitz | *hard .. " | Jan 13 03:05 |
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| neighborlee | yes sadly | Jan 13 03:05 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing's new here. | Jan 13 03:05 |
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| schestowitz | Many counries suffer from these issues. | Jan 13 03:05 |
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| neighborlee | sure do | Jan 13 03:05 |
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| schestowitz | But the degree/level varies | Jan 13 03:06 |
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| schestowitz | And there is a LOT of indoctrination that's intended for people not to ever think about it and have the meant to challenge it (e.g. labour unions) | Jan 13 03:06 |
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| neighborlee | I hope education on such things is beefed up in the future | Jan 13 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | It'll be hard | Jan 13 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | The Internet permitted some of it, but the technophic politicians react frantically. | Jan 13 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | *phobic | Jan 13 03:08 |
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| neighborlee | yeah this is indeed true | Jan 13 03:08 |
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| schestowitz | Could be worse... | Jan 13 03:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarc... | Jan 13 03:08 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Jan 13 03:08 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, oh btw..windows 7 ( vista did not ) now has a 'sticky notes' app on many menu, at top..interesting. | Jan 13 03:13 |
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| neighborlee | s/many/main | Jan 13 03:13 |
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| schestowitz | Like tomboy? | Jan 13 03:14 |
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| neighborlee | not sure..dont use tomboy never really did | Jan 13 03:14 |
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| neighborlee | similar I guess ? | Jan 13 03:14 |
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| neighborlee | haven't used sticky notes either so far. | Jan 13 03:14 |
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| schestowitz | BetaVista7.. like Vista, now with extra sticky notes.... Wow7 | Jan 13 03:14 |
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| neighborlee | indeed | Jan 13 03:14 |
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| neighborlee | and gnome 'roadmap' page still mentions 'tomboy'. | Jan 13 03:15 |
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| schestowitz | Monoboy | Jan 13 03:15 |
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| neighborlee | as in 'complete crossplatform support' | Jan 13 03:15 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Jan 13 03:15 |
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| tessier | "People like Anivar are rightly — or leftly — pissed off." Hah! A pun on communists! | Jan 13 03:19 |
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| schestowitz | Copyleft | Jan 13 03:20 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Jan 13 03:47 |
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| schestowitz | Despite the downtimes and the offshoring of service to Coral, there are half a million hits today. Conbined it might be close to a million, I guess. | Jan 13 03:58 |
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| ushimitsudoki | impressive. i think the coverage of the comes documents is a good thing | Jan 13 03:59 |
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| tessier | Why so many? | Jan 13 04:01 |
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| tessier | What happened? Did you get on /. or something? | Jan 13 04:01 |
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| ushimitsudoki | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=... | Jan 13 04:02 |
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| tessier | Ah. I've been diligently working my butt off today and haven't had a chance to check /. | Jan 13 04:07 |
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| twitter | Cool stuff. | Jan 13 04:17 |
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| tessier | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid... | Jan 13 04:18 |
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| tessier | What's up with that? | Jan 13 04:18 |
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| twitter | I waded into this 12 day long shitfest http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/jimmi-h... | Jan 13 04:24 |
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| tessier | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid... | Jan 13 04:27 |
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| tessier | hahaha | Jan 13 04:27 |
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| twitter | ha ha indeed. They don't have much to say about EDGI do they? | Jan 13 04:29 |
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| tessier | Yep | Jan 13 04:31 |
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| twitter | here's another one http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?s... | Jan 13 04:37 |
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| twitter | links back to an older, uglier troll. | Jan 13 04:38 |
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| twitter | There are a few nicer links too. http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?si... | Jan 13 04:46 |
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| twitter | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10... | Jan 13 04:46 |
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| twitter | I think the publication has had the correct result. People are reading the docs and will make decisions based on facts and knowledge rather than guess work. | Jan 13 04:51 |
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| mib_5hapir | hey | Jan 13 08:42 |
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| xads | hi anyone here have the misfortune of having to admin any netware servers ? | Jan 13 09:18 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Jan 13 09:23 |
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| kentma1 | schestowitz: hi | Jan 13 09:28 |
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| schestowitz | Morning. | Jan 13 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | I still can't disable Coral. | Jan 13 09:39 |
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| kentma1 | schestowitz: hi - btw - were you light on news postings yesterday - didn't see many in the digest. | Jan 13 09:48 |
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| schestowitz | Sunday? | Jan 13 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | Surprise! Net Censorship Circumvention Tools Sell User Data < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090111... > | Jan 13 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | We get references in CNET to 'moderate' an article about MS in 'open source | Jan 13 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10... | Jan 13 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | What will Obama do with his millions of online 'friends'? < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/12/obam... > | Jan 13 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft ad campaign urges more IT spending < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/12... > | Jan 13 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft has joined Dell by asking customers to continue paying them during the recession rather than slash spending on IT." Yeah, just max up all the credit... it's good for Microsoft and Dell. | Jan 13 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/156971/paris_hi... "Paris Hilton's Web site has been hacked and is serving visitors a malicious Trojan program designed to steal sensitive information from their computers." | Jan 13 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | Shane O'Neill is still posting lots of pro-Microsoft material in IDG. He's worth adding to Credibility Index | Jan 13 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | "Halo 3 addiction doesn't explain or excuse Daniel Petric's shooting both his parents, says an Ohio judge. More specifically, video game addiction, which was never medically established during the trial, did not make Petric any less responsible for murdering his mother and wounding his father, according to the judge." http://www.pcworld.com/article/156925/p... | Jan 13 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | Most CIOs are dinosaurs: out of place in the world that is taking shape, and headed for mass extinction. http://www.pcworld.com/article/156941/cio... | Jan 13 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | Classic Case of Revolving Door at Defense Department < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8128 > | Jan 13 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: missing URL: http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-119493/netwo... | Jan 13 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.cometmedia.org/www/GAP%20... "The COSMOS New Media Initiative of Comet Media Foundation is developing a network of 'champions' or leaders called GNU Action Pilots (GNU is a popular acronym of the Free Software movement). | Jan 13 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jan 13 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | re: Novell's OOo FUD: "Talking Points for the Microsoft Trolls? [...] Was this the December talking points list for the Microsoft Trolls? " http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l... | Jan 13 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | Dispelling the FUD around OOo: There has been a lot of disinfomation and Sun is careful not to say a thing. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/09/inter... | Jan 13 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | Misspelling of "Novel" http://www.novel-ge.com/ "“All of the site work is being monitored and tested by Novell Geo Environmental, the board’s geotechnical engineer,” said Shriver. “The next phase of this contract will include piping and drainage structures for the storm sewer system leading the pond.”" | Jan 13 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | Google On Pace To Take 75% Of Search Market < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/12/goog... > | Jan 13 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | "Google may be used to seeing its market share climb, but it looks like the search giant is getting kicked down a rung or two in one country. Mozilla has decided to make Yandex, and not Google, the default search provider in future Russian versions of Firefox." http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/... | Jan 13 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | Mourning for the MS press: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/How_to_s... | Jan 13 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives... " China is using an increasing number of paid "internet commentators" in a sophisticated attempt to control public opinion. Usually Bush has copied China, but this time maybe China is copying Bush." | Jan 13 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | "NBC continues presenting one of the Pentagon's paid pundits as an objective and independent expert, neglecting to mention that he has a financial interest in the war. NBC also does not mention that it is owned by GE, which also has a financial interest in the war." http://www.stallman.org/archives/... | Jan 13 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | EU to ban plasma televisions in battle against climate change < http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/environ... > | Jan 13 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | Ohio State study: Greenland's glaciers losing ice faster this year than last year, which was record-setting itself < http://www.osu.edu/news/newsitem2255 > | Jan 13 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | "The VAR Guy is betting on a 2010 product launch for the successor to Windows Vista." http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/01/12... | Jan 13 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | The MSBBC is advertising Windows at taxpayers' expense' (again): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn... | Jan 13 12:42 |
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| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to [H]omer | Jan 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | Smallest state leads US into deep recession < http://www.the-dispatch.com/articl... > | Jan 13 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | "DEep REceSSION" = DEPRESSION | Jan 13 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | "Jobs are painfully lacking in Rhode Island, where unemployment stood at 9.3 percent in November, just behind the national leader Michigan. To the dismay of state leaders, this tiny state has persistently been a leader in joblessness as the recession deepens." | Jan 13 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe Donald Trump will BailEmOut(R)? :-| | Jan 13 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | DRM trap and other nonsense: Microsoft gets Chinese IPTV deal < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... > | Jan 13 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | NASA hacker will plead guilty in the UK < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/362/10... > "HAPLESS HACKER Gary McKinnon has told UK prosecutors he will plead guilty to some charges in the UK if he does not have to be extradited to a prison in the US." | Jan 13 13:52 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm gonna try installing W7 beta | Jan 13 14:22 |
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| PetoKraus | on Celeron 2400 with 512MB ram | Jan 13 14:22 |
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| PetoKraus | just for the heck of it | Jan 13 14:22 |
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| PetoKraus | :D:D | Jan 13 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | You'll drive up their numbers | Jan 13 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's better avoided | Jan 13 14:23 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm downloading from torrents | Jan 13 14:23 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Jan 13 14:23 |
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| PetoKraus | what do you think :P | Jan 13 14:23 |
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| PetoKraus | and if you believe i'm gonna drive up their numbers, you are wrong | Jan 13 14:24 |
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| PetoKraus | the numbers have been decided even before launch | Jan 13 14:24 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd say on about 3.5M+random(200000) | Jan 13 14:24 |
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| schestowitz | It phones home | Jan 13 14:25 |
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| PetoKraus | i'll repeat myself | Jan 13 14:26 |
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| PetoKraus | the numbers have been decided even before launch | Jan 13 14:26 |
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| PetoKraus | system req : A computer with a 1-GHz 32-, or 64-bit (x64) processor, | Jan 13 14:28 |
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| PetoKraus | 1 GB of system memory, at least a DirectX 10 graphics card, | Jan 13 14:28 |
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| PetoKraus | if not even DirectX 9, with over 128MB of graphics memory, | Jan 13 14:28 |
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| PetoKraus | and a 40 GB hard drive will be more than enough to power Windows 7. | Jan 13 14:28 |
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| PetoKraus | :D what a joke | Jan 13 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | 1GN of RAM. | Jan 13 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | GB | Jan 13 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't they say 512 for Vista? | Jan 13 14:28 |
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| PetoKraus | no freaking idea | Jan 13 14:28 |
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| PetoKraus | off for squash, ttyl | Jan 13 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. BetaVista7 might ineeded be fatter than Vista, like benchmarks showed | Jan 13 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | re: CPU... sure, it will get there... EVENTUALLY. Just be very patient. | Jan 13 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | 40 GB? Graphics card /required/??? | Jan 13 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | For headless servers too?? | Jan 13 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | Mandy flies flag for small biz bailout < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/13/...> | Jan 13 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... "The scheme would guarantee loans, for a fee, made by banks to businesses with less than 50 employees." Public!Looting!Inc | Jan 13 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | You don't lose the money that you have in the bank, which can't repay you... you just paid through the nose to fund the corrupt banks --collectively speaking -- to ensure what stays there, well... it passed in the form of tax and funneled into the bailout pool. What a dirty scheme. | Jan 13 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | 2009 CES Attendance Plummets 22 Percent: Was It By Design? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156952... > | Jan 13 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | More ODF support: "At this year's Expo, Araxis Merge was back, and with a nifty addition to its bag of tricks: it can now automatically extract and compare text from Word, Excel, PDF, and Open Document Format documents." http://www.pcworld.com/article/156929/ap... | Jan 13 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | Storm Worm botnet cracked wide open < http://www.heise.de/english/newsti... > | Jan 13 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01... "Several Sun MySQLers have been denied short stay business visas to Australia - yes, Australia - as they attempted to attend a Linux conference in Hobart, Tasmania." | Jan 13 15:19 |
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| MinceR | sun hates linux anyway | Jan 13 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | It does | Jan 13 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | It wants to use it to elevate Sun profits though, which is _can_, using OOo, Java, etc. | Jan 13 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | IBM promotes DRM. Wow! What an 'open source' player.. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opens... (Supplement Creative Commons with open standards) | Jan 13 15:38 |
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| MinceR | "open source DRM" only fools those stupid enough to want DRM in the first place anyway :> | Jan 13 15:39 |
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| MinceR | if it really is open source | Jan 13 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | But you want to! You really do!! | Jan 13 15:40 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jan 13 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the clock tilting.. | Jan 13 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | Solution to DRM... | Jan 13 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | _open source_ DRM | Jan 13 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | That's like proposing death by injection to stop death from hunger | Jan 13 15:41 |
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| MinceR | i hope they won't force tivoiztion, as that might make it work to some extent | Jan 13 15:42 |
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| MinceR | without tivoization, i can just change the DRM library to tell me the key :> | Jan 13 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | They do Palladium. | Jan 13 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | Bringing TC to "Linux" | Jan 13 15:43 |
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| MinceR | it isn't really "open source" if the TPM is doing the decoding | Jan 13 15:43 |
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| MinceR | and it isn't really "open source" if i can't replace the bootloader | Jan 13 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | What would Linus say? To paraphrase the Tivo thing, "I *LIKE* Palladium" | Jan 13 15:43 |
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| MinceR | but if i do replace the bootloader, the chain of trust is broken and Treacherous Computing becomes useless for that purpose | Jan 13 15:43 |
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| MinceR | (i could still be my own root of trust, but that's useless to the bad guys) | Jan 13 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | I'll get around to posting BillG's "security as a lockin" at some stage | Jan 13 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | The bad guys are the users | Jan 13 15:44 |
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| MinceR | gates still counts on people not understanding fundamental security principles? | Jan 13 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find the slide from MS|MAFIAA | Jan 13 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | Gutmann had it, I think. | Jan 13 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | Na... I can't think how to search this by query | Jan 13 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/temp/research/ | Jan 13 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | I doubt it's here < http://schestowitz.com/temp/research/vista-g... >, but have a look. | Jan 13 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | Ge removed this from his site, so several of us made copies | Jan 13 15:46 |
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| MinceR | why does IBM wants DRM in CC? o_O | Jan 13 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | "Possible Microsoft Thinking (ctd) " | Jan 13 15:47 |
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| MinceR | s/ts/t/ | Jan 13 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | "Eventually everything is “premium” --> everything is protected" | Jan 13 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I thought the same.. Same on Aye Bee Aim. | Jan 13 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | *Shame | Jan 13 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. So old.. http://schestowitz.com/temp/research/... | Jan 13 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUS... | Jan 13 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | In this week: | Jan 13 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | * Bugzilla Update to 3.2 | Jan 13 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | * Contributor Gifts | Jan 13 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | * Miguel de Icaza: Mono goes Accessible! | Jan 13 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | * lowobu: Since when do you use (open)SuSE? | Jan 13 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | * Nikesh Jauhari: Read-Write Support for NTFS partition on OpenSUSE 11.x | Jan 13 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Credits | Jan 13 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | * Jan-Simon Möller (Chief-Editor) | Jan 13 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | * Sascha Manns (Second Chief-Editor, Main-Newsletter) | Jan 13 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | * Stephan Binner (Main-Newsletter and Statistics) | Jan 13 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | * Rupert Horstkötter (Main-Newsletter, openSUSE-Forums) | Jan 13 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | Aren't these mostly Novell employees? benJIman ? | Jan 13 15:53 |
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| benJIman | No. | Jan 13 15:53 |
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| benJIman | About half and half. | Jan 13 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | sacha and Rupert.. | Jan 13 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Jan 13 15:54 |
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| twitter | DRM may be "Open Source" but they can never be free software. Digital restrictions are the antithesis of software freedom. | Jan 13 16:11 |
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| twitter | As you noted, hardware restrictions are particularly insidious. Hard drives and ACPI can betray you. | Jan 13 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | Lockin never betrayed MS | Jan 13 16:13 |
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| MinceR | it isn't restrictive if it's really open/free | Jan 13 16:13 |
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| MinceR | because you can change the code to give you the decoded data or the key | Jan 13 16:14 |
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| twitter | Tell that to your Tivo, which is open. | Jan 13 16:14 |
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| MinceR | it isn't | Jan 13 16:14 |
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| MinceR | it's tivoized | Jan 13 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | Free software = self authoritarian. | Jan 13 16:14 |
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| MinceR | well, at least it isn't free | Jan 13 16:14 |
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| MinceR | is there any official stance on tivo vs open-source? | Jan 13 16:14 |
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| twitter | If it restricts what you do, it can never be free. | Jan 13 16:15 |
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| MinceR | i mean, have the leaders of the OSI said what their stance on tivoization is? | Jan 13 16:15 |
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| twitter | I don't know | Jan 13 16:16 |
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| MinceR | perhaps they don't dare speak, afraid of making their business connections worse | Jan 13 16:17 |
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| twitter | RMS got it right from first principles. Non free software always tries to make the user so grateful for the task performed that the user will surrender some of their freedom to have the task performed and that's wrong. | Jan 13 16:18 |
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| twitter | Ha ha. I failed one these things a few months ago, http://online.wsj.com/article/... | Jan 13 16:19 |
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| twitter | -> Statement: "You have to give up on some things that you start." Suggested response from the cheat sheet: "Strongly disagree." Another statement: "Any trouble you have is your own fault." Suggested response: "Strongly agree." | Jan 13 16:20 |
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| twitter | What honest person could answer like that? | Jan 13 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | OSI is associated with companies that might be offended. | Jan 13 16:23 |
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| twitter | Those companies are offensive. | Jan 13 16:23 |
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| twitter | Digital restrictions stand in the way of universally available knowledge, it is a crime. | Jan 13 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Richard Stallman: “DRM is nearly always the result of a conspiracy of companies to restrict the technology available to the public. Such conspiracy should be a crime, and the executives responsible for it should be sentenced to prison.” | Jan 13 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu... | Jan 13 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | Reader:"I read through everything on this article. It's not hard to understand why Microsoft was in such a BIG hurry to settle the Comes case and get the court docs taken down. What a huge embarrassing mess this would have been for them at the time, had it gone further. It's a good thing people saved copies before it all disappeared from the original site!" | Jan 13 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | My old cousin in FL: "I guess we got married to the web site [othellomaster] in January 2005, our start date, so this is our 4th Anniversary. Happy Anniversary TO US" | Jan 13 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | He does it as a hobby. Blogs are replacing newspapers. | Jan 13 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | Everyone already knows that. Web site, unlike newspapers, don't last just a day. Search engines change this rule of physical age. | Jan 13 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | *sites | Jan 13 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/... (ooocon2008 videos on library.network.com) | Jan 13 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | "Apparently because younger people are using their thumbs to text all the time, it's become the digit of choice for activities like ringing doorbells." http://techdirt.com/articles/... | Jan 13 17:21 |
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| PetoKraus | i've actually decided i'm gonna do a video-review of W7b | Jan 13 17:24 |
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| PetoKraus | just for the sake of trying my camcorders out | Jan 13 17:25 |
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| PetoKraus | and i've got a friend who is accustomed to XP, has been using Debian+e17 for last half a year, and AFAIK never used Vista | Jan 13 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Mentionning it is helping it | Jan 13 17:27 |
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| PetoKraus | and? | Jan 13 17:27 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't think i should 1) shun a product without trying it (i mean, on technical, not ideological things) | Jan 13 17:28 |
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| PetoKraus | 2) by trying it out actually supporting it's use | Jan 13 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Ars Technica is linking to BS 'stats': IE continues losing market share to open source browsers < http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2009/... > | Jan 13 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | They should get reliable sources | Jan 13 17:29 |
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