| twitter | MOG gang. It's gross how they blatantly self promote at these fake conferences, isn't it? "Best M$ Suck Up," give that CEO a plaque. | Feb 07 00:00 |
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| MinceR | gn | Feb 07 00:01 |
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| PetoKraus | gn | Feb 07 00:02 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm going as well | Feb 07 00:02 |
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| PetoKraus | see you tomorrow :) | Feb 07 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | cya | Feb 07 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Alex Jones=friggin' nutter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AP... | Feb 07 03:24 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 07 03:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve... | Feb 07 04:09 |
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| schestowitz | IT& jobs market devastated by worst ever plunge in January < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23087/1231/ > | Feb 07 04:19 |
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| schestowitz | Fin. http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/art... | Feb 07 05:00 |
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| schestowitz | Are open source acquisitions good for consumers? < http://www.linuxworld.com/news/200... > | Feb 07 05:08 |
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| PetoKraus | morning guys | Feb 07 09:44 |
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| schestowitz | Salesforce President Quits, No Replacement Named < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159128/salesfor... > | Feb 07 11:07 |
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| trmanco | "bianconeri4ever (2 minutes ago) | Feb 07 13:06 |
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| trmanco | I just changed the name of my blog from Royal HeHe2-ness to Royal Linuxing! Do you like the name? make sure to follow @Royal_Linuxing" | Feb 07 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | Much better | Feb 07 13:09 |
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| trmanco | he is still on Twitter though | Feb 07 13:10 |
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| trmanco | I already sent him a notice to join Identi.ca | Feb 07 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: good | Feb 07 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe invite him to BN IRC | Feb 07 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | He reads the site AFAIK | Feb 07 13:14 |
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| trmanco | if he replies back to my notice I will invite him here | Feb 07 13:23 |
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| trmanco | which he did :D | Feb 07 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | I never spoke to him. | Feb 07 13:24 |
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| trmanco | https://twitter.com/openmania/... | Feb 07 13:27 |
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| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Feb 07 13:30 |
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| trmanco | good | Feb 07 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | 1709: The year that Europe froze < http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20... > | Feb 07 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. US military budget: Half a trillion dollars per year | Feb 07 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | That could pay bailout within years | Feb 07 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | Novell operates at a considerable loss. Expect massive layoffs probably by the end of the month (time of the report). | Feb 07 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/159071/geeks_... "The companies routinely stored customers' sensitive personal information in unencrypted text on their corporate computer networks before December 2007, according to an FTC complaint." | Feb 07 15:42 |
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| jose_X | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/02/04... | Feb 07 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Jose. | Feb 07 17:44 |
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| jose_X | >> But inside the industry, nobody listens to what their own R&D department or event some external entity - even the very representatives of the operating system they use (Linux). The chip makers will only listen to one thing: Demand from their tier-1 customers. Whatever is in the spec of those who buy their components in millions of units will get implemented. Only those maybe biggest five board-makers are considered 'customer'. | Feb 07 17:44 |
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| jose_X | Everybody else is not. The Telco who buys from the board maker _might_ still be perceived as having some indirect influence, but the actual end customer, both corporate and private, does not exist. | Feb 07 17:44 |
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| jose_X | hey | Feb 07 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | I was just about to leave because I must | Feb 07 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | I'm going through lots of text today | Feb 07 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | I am sick to see what I find | Feb 07 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Will post it soon | Feb 07 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | This relates 1% market share-like lies | Feb 07 17:45 |
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| jose_X | >> Thus, it is actually not an anti-FOSS environment, but an anti-competitive environment. | Feb 07 17:45 |
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| jose_X | ok | Feb 07 17:45 |
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| jose_X | the link i just gave is essentially about how ms's 90% market share or less becomes almost 100% | Feb 07 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks | Feb 07 17:46 |
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| jose_X | it says that high level enginers inside hw manuf see value of linux but management only wants what their major customers demand | Feb 07 17:47 |
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| jose_X | one more quote from that page: Those intermediaries (OEM/ODM) typically have very limited skill and understanding about anything related to Software, not even talking about FOSS. They know how to make many boards cheap. In fact, their skill typically is so low that all they can use for their products are so-called turnkey solutions: A full reference board design and complete software stack that they can copy+paste with only the mo | Feb 07 17:49 |
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| jose_X | st superficial modifications. | Feb 07 17:49 |
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| jose_X | a related subject came up on thetuxproject since someone recently thought about providing turnkey solutions of a sort to XXX | Feb 07 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | to xxx? | Feb 07 17:50 |
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| jose_X | not sure | Feb 07 17:50 |
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| jose_X | let me get the link | Feb 07 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | triplex | Feb 07 17:50 |
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| jose_X | no | Feb 07 17:50 |
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| jose_X | variable | Feb 07 17:50 |
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| jose_X | xxxxxx... | Feb 07 17:50 |
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| jose_X | or just x | Feb 07 17:50 |
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| jose_X | :-) | Feb 07 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | I know :-) | Feb 07 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Feb 07 17:52 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: check your mail | Feb 07 18:29 |
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| zer0c00l | i have sent 1 of 3 document (the document with more pages ;) ) | Feb 07 18:29 |
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| zer0c00l | i was unable to send that document yesterday as i was busy installing fedora for my friends | Feb 07 18:30 |
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| zer0c00l | :) | Feb 07 18:30 |
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| Tallken | hey schestowitz you there€» | Feb 07 20:13 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, ok forget it, there was a MySQL error at BN.com but a refresh solved it | Feb 07 20:14 |
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| amd-linux | how ridiculous can they get? They trying harder and harder - now telling us, surprise surprise, that consumers are disappointed with Linux on Netbooks because they are used to Windows? | Feb 07 20:19 |
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| amd-linux | Hello? PLEASE? The only benefit of Windows is that you are USED to it???? | Feb 07 20:19 |
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| amd-linux | come on.... | Feb 07 20:19 |
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| amd-linux | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Li... | Feb 07 20:19 |
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| MinceR | for many people it is | Feb 07 20:20 |
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| MinceR | but they usually don't realize | Feb 07 20:20 |
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| MinceR | or at least they don't realize how stupid that is | Feb 07 20:20 |
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| amd-linux | but please that is an argument that maybe an analyst may raise - but not the representant of MS | Feb 07 20:20 |
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| twitter | I have yet to meet a real person who did not like their EEE PC or other netbook. | Feb 07 20:20 |
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| twitter | I do know of several former Windows users who liked them. | Feb 07 20:21 |
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| amd-linux | come on imagine a compqany advertising its products with "it is not good but people are used to it"???? | Feb 07 20:21 |
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| twitter | When you think about it, there are very few GNU/Linux users who were not at one time Windows users. | Feb 07 20:21 |
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| MinceR | they usually call it "intuitive" | Feb 07 20:21 |
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| amd-linux | right | Feb 07 20:22 |
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| MinceR | (as we all know there's no such thing as an "intuitive" ui) | Feb 07 20:22 |
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| twitter | not even the famous breast. moms have to learn how to feed baby. | Feb 07 20:22 |
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| amd-linux | if somebody wants to use a netbok for skype or internet, he/she does not care if there is Windows or Linux or krachmaniko under the hood | Feb 07 20:22 |
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| twitter | fortunately, the interface remains the for all the mom's kids. | Feb 07 20:22 |
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| amd-linux | like I do not care what kind of engine my laundering machine uses | Feb 07 20:23 |
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| amd-linux | as long it works and does not fetch a virus or trojan.... :-) | Feb 07 20:24 |
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| MinceR | i'd like to try this Krachmaniko OS ;) | Feb 07 20:24 |
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| amd-linux | Ok, I will start it as a little project - as an OS for laundering machines ;-) | Feb 07 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 07 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: yes, that happens sometime. | Feb 07 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | *times | Feb 07 20:25 |
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| amd-linux | MinceR: Krachmaiko OS will be finished together with GNU/Hurd | Feb 07 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | And Duke Nukem Forever. | Feb 07 20:26 |
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| amd-linux | well, maybe together with Duke Nukem Forever :-) | Feb 07 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | I'm preparing text regarding the Slog. It's 66-pages long | Feb 07 20:27 |
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| amd-linux | hehe same thought ;-) | Feb 07 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | Relates to V7 sub-notebooks in ways | Feb 07 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | I'm in page 39. it's dynamite in place | Feb 07 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Tomorrow I have an even bigger synamite | Feb 07 20:28 |
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| amd-linux | V7? | Feb 07 20:29 |
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| amd-linux | Via? | Feb 07 20:29 |
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| twitter | Vista 7 | Feb 07 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8 | Feb 07 20:30 |
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| amd-linux | Ah - you mean Vista SP3.... | Feb 07 20:31 |
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| twitter | glug glug glug | Feb 07 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2 | Feb 07 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb | Feb 07 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | V7 (Vista7) is gonna BOMB | Feb 07 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta | Feb 07 20:32 |
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| amd-linux | I hope it - netbooks are currently taking off - with or without Windows, they destroy MS | Feb 07 20:33 |
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| amd-linux | as their margins erode - I mentioned that we have a Via netbook here in Germany that comes for as low as 149 Euro. | Feb 07 20:33 |
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| amd-linux | Ubuntu preinstalled | Feb 07 20:33 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, oh ok :) | Feb 07 20:34 |
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| amd-linux | and boy, what do you think how Windows powered netbooks can compete with a machines for sub 100 euro? | Feb 07 20:34 |
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| amd-linux | the fall of this price barrier is a question of months | Feb 07 20:35 |
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| PetoKraus | machines for sub-100 € | Feb 07 20:35 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm gonna take a close look on that | Feb 07 20:35 |
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| amd-linux | look here: http://www.one.de/shop/one-no... | Feb 07 20:36 |
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| amd-linux | the best: they are a MS certified Gold Partner :-) | Feb 07 20:37 |
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| amd-linux | but their top sellers run Ubuntu 8.04 :-) | Feb 07 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: yes, agrees re: margins | Feb 07 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft reposes this situation | Feb 07 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | It tries to make it like a WIndows win | Feb 07 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Suddenly they neglect profit and count installs.... the opposite of how they treat Linux (e.g. IDC lies). | Feb 07 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: MS' problem is not x86 | Feb 07 20:39 |
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| amd-linux | they can only slow down the movement towards OS as commodity | Feb 07 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | China is coming up with MIPS... ARM brings Linux machines that run ALL DAY | Feb 07 20:39 |
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| amd-linux | right, ARM | Feb 07 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | Intel almost runs at a loss now | Feb 07 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | It sacked 6000 people | Feb 07 20:40 |
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| amd-linux | and they only have Windows Mobile for Arm which is not binary compatible | Feb 07 20:40 |
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| amd-linux | to Windows XP/Vista7 | Feb 07 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | So maybe they won't go into losses just yet... Intel is a criminal company... shreds criminal evidence too | Feb 07 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Windows Mobile/CE is dying anyway | Feb 07 20:40 |
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| PetoKraus | VIA c7 | Feb 07 20:40 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Feb 07 20:40 |
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| PetoKraus | doesn't look bad | Feb 07 20:41 |
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| amd-linux | well, but Intel at least broke up with MS girlfriend | Feb 07 20:41 |
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| amd-linux | PetoKraus: well, dont expect a notebook replacement, though | Feb 07 20:42 |
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| PetoKraus | actually i don't | Feb 07 20:42 |
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| amd-linux | it is a cheap machine between a smartphone and a notebook | Feb 07 20:42 |
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| PetoKraus | notebook is desktop replacement for me | Feb 07 20:42 |
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| amd-linux | but the price makes it attractive | Feb 07 20:42 |
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| PetoKraus | so i don't expect something to replace it even further | Feb 07 20:42 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 07 20:42 |
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| PetoKraus | though | Feb 07 20:42 |
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| PetoKraus | i wonder what sort of memory slots does it have | Feb 07 20:43 |
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| PetoKraus | cramping it up with 2GB ram could actually work really fast | Feb 07 20:43 |
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| PetoKraus | you'd basically mirror your HDD in a ramdisk | Feb 07 20:43 |
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| PetoKraus | is there anything cheaper on the market atm? | Feb 07 20:44 |
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| amd-linux | maybe none - I asked in the German ubuntu forum for experiences with the machine no reply so far but I think I will get one as a cheap Skype machine | Feb 07 20:44 |
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| amd-linux | only OLPC | Feb 07 20:44 |
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| amd-linux | Roy: Did you already check if Intel's Atom successor is x86 compatible? Talijng about Mooretown: http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/show... | Feb 07 20:46 |
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| amd-linux | as far as I understnand, it is NOT - meaning that Windows will not run on it | Feb 07 20:46 |
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| amd-linux | which, in turn, raises the question what MS will have in its sleeve for machines powered with Mooretown? | Feb 07 20:47 |
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| PetoKraus | how much does XO cost? | Feb 07 20:47 |
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| PetoKraus | 199 and one is donated? | Feb 07 20:47 |
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| amd-linux | IMHO: Nothing excpet of Windows Mobile - which is a joke and not binary compatible with Windows | Feb 07 20:47 |
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| amd-linux | Yes, I think so - you can get it via Amazon | Feb 07 20:48 |
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| rami | hey guys, its Rami from hehe2.net :) | Feb 07 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | Hey rami | Feb 07 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | What's up? | Feb 07 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: buzzed you. | Feb 07 20:53 |
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| rami | Hey, Roy | Feb 07 20:53 |
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| rami | roy right? | Feb 07 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 07 20:53 |
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| trmanco | he is here | Feb 07 20:53 |
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| trmanco | cool | Feb 07 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks for linking to us. We never spoke before | Feb 07 20:54 |
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| rami | ya trmanco tweeted me | Feb 07 20:54 |
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| trmanco | rami, hi there :) | Feb 07 20:54 |
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| rami | ya we never did, but you also link to me, and thanks....but I always see you on digg :) | Feb 07 20:54 |
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| rami | trmanco, hey whats up | Feb 07 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | rami: too many shills in Digg | Feb 07 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | I used to be there a lot | Feb 07 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Almost 14000 comments | Feb 07 20:55 |
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| rami | ya ya I know :) | Feb 07 20:55 |
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| trmanco | rami, just reading the news | Feb 07 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | rami: I do a lot of Comes these days. I know you focus on advocacy like I do | Feb 07 20:55 |
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| rami | yeah I do, but am not as good as you guys | Feb 07 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | In lack of material for advocacy, Microsoft's unearthed crimes are worth inspection. There are many thousands of them. | Feb 07 20:56 |
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| rami | plus am not really an expert...am just a marketeer :D | Feb 07 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | We need people's original articles to spread the word | Feb 07 20:57 |
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| rami | Yup very true. | Feb 07 20:57 |
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| rami | Just changed my blog's name | Feb 07 20:58 |
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| trmanco | I like the new name batter than the old one | Feb 07 20:58 |
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| trmanco | better* | Feb 07 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | rami: good choice | Feb 07 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | I saw Royal Hehe2 in Netscape when it was new, IIRC | Feb 07 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | Almost 2 years ago | Feb 07 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | The name mystified me because it sounds unprofessional (no offense intended) | Feb 07 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | I'm still stuck with the name "boycott Novell" which was not my choice | Feb 07 20:59 |
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| rami | well it is unprofessional | Feb 07 20:59 |
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| rami | because the whole blog was just an impulsive thing, never really intended to do it for the long run, and I sure never intended for it to be a linux advocacy | Feb 07 21:00 |
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| rami | I just decided to play around with hosts and servers because I never done that before :P | Feb 07 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | rami: it works though | Feb 07 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | wb, conley | Feb 07 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | rami: you ought to post more often, I think. | Feb 07 21:02 |
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| rami | schestowitz, yes I sure do! But I need time really, am gonna quit my day job soon, and going to the US for my masters, that should free up some time | Feb 07 21:03 |
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| rami | schestowitz, and of course any of you guys are more than welcome to guest post :) | Feb 07 21:03 |
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| conley | hello | Feb 07 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | rami: thanks, that's good to hear | Feb 07 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | What field will you be focused on? | Feb 07 21:05 |
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| rami | schestowitz, well, I try to focus on the simple stuff, things that regular people would understand. I try to put myself in the shoes of people who don't understand anything about Linux, yet still tech savvy... | Feb 07 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | GNU/Linux suffers from the corruption | Feb 07 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | I came to realise this years ago | Feb 07 21:09 |
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| rami | Also I try to advocate the powers of Linux and Open Source, not the weaknesses of other platforms/models....but of course there is always that snide remark here and there | Feb 07 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Like the "less than 1%" myth | Feb 07 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | That's a big lie, you know? | Feb 07 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | rami: I advocates for years | Feb 07 21:10 |
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| rami | the usage is less than 1%? | Feb 07 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | But what do you do when Microsoft unleashes attack dogs? | Feb 07 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | You could either continue advocating or expose the attack dogs | Feb 07 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | rami: no, it's likely around 5% on the desktop | Feb 07 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Of course, Apple and Microsoft also have this hypnosis of "deskop=computer" | Feb 07 21:11 |
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| rami | ya I know about the less that 1% myth | Feb 07 21:12 |
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| rami | anyways it can't be accurately quantified, but I know its not 1% | Feb 07 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | rami: I wrote posts to rebut this | Feb 07 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | If someone says it, you need to rebut | Feb 07 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | If you don't challenge the big lie, then it become false consensus | Feb 07 21:13 |
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| rami | true, and whats the rebut? | Feb 07 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | The last summary of the issues is here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/net-a... | Feb 07 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about this some days ago and it almost made the front page of Digg. I didn't submit this second one (update). | Feb 07 21:20 |
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| rami | schestowitz, hehe, we have different strategies in advocating though. Not that anyone is wrong | Feb 07 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Feb 07 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe if you saw how much corruption drives some companies.... | Feb 07 21:23 |
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| rami | I like your strategy as a read, but not for writing | Feb 07 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | Oh. | Feb 07 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | Well, if by advocating Linux you'd get attacked personally, you'd understand :-) | Feb 07 21:24 |
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| rami | I already gotten attacked personally | Feb 07 21:26 |
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| rami | on the comments at least | Feb 07 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | Wait until they attack you via employers | Feb 07 21:28 |
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| rami | well my blog isn't called "boycott novell" ....that would set all novell after my ass :P | Feb 07 21:29 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Feb 07 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | Do you know Larry LEssig? | Feb 07 21:30 |
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| rami | of course | Feb 07 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | He does what we do... but for copyleft | Feb 07 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | Or Creative Commons, whatever... some philosophy | Feb 07 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | People attacked him in comments, conglomerates smear him in forums and after 10 years promoting positively he gave up | Feb 07 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | He realised that he had been fighting against corruption without actually addressing its source | Feb 07 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer probably knows this story very well. It took a shewed professor 10 years to realise that eradication corruption is worth pursuing for it's the barrier to betterment like FOSS. But we're not supposed to /see/ it | Feb 07 21:32 |
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| rami | and whats the source? | Feb 07 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | Where? | Feb 07 21:34 |
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| PetoKraus | <schestowitz> He realised that he had been fighting against corruption without actually addressing its source | Feb 07 21:35 |
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| rami | you said that lessig was fighting against corruption without adresssing the source | Feb 07 21:35 |
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| rami | whats the source? | Feb 07 21:37 |
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| *schestowitz done 66 pages :-) | Feb 07 21:38 |
| schestowitz | rami: he was fighting for reasonable copyright law, but the corrupt people were standing in the way | Feb 07 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | So he decided to go after their deeds. Y'know, research this time of white-collar crime. | Feb 07 21:39 |
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| rami | Now he gave up and went to harvard for something else I reckon? | Feb 07 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 07 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Similar stuff | Feb 07 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Pharmas' corrupt research | Feb 07 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | This is a generic problem, includes global warming deniers, even stuff like Net Applications | Feb 07 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=97498 | Feb 07 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | US military suicide rate at record high < http://www.wsws.org/articles/200... > | Feb 07 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | Heathrow security defuses deadly rice-milk threat by insisting that it be decanted into baby-bottles < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/05/h... > | Feb 07 21:53 |
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| MinceR | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=... | Feb 07 21:58 |
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| rami | schestowitz, you didn't introduce me to the room... | Feb 07 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, sorry about that. | Feb 07 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Guys, rami is the Webmaster of a splendid Linux site that attracts thousands of readers and he's a famous Digg user. | Feb 07 22:15 |
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| trmanco | ;) | Feb 07 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | rami: many of the people here are more or less ardent advocates of Free software. We have our share of stalkers and trolls here, like in most fora :-) | Feb 07 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | For example, benJIman is here for "entertainment" (he dislikes BoycottNovell) and flex__, for example, is an OpenSUSE guy | Feb 07 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | On rarer occasions Microsoft employees enter the channel as well. | Feb 07 22:17 |
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| rami | lol, candid | Feb 07 22:17 |
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| rami | and we hate OPENsuse right? | Feb 07 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | No | Feb 07 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | But they are not happy with opposition to Novell, which owns and sponsors OpenSUSE. | Feb 07 22:18 |
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| rami | Suse was my first distro 3 years ago | Feb 07 22:18 |
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| trmanco | Ubuntu was my first distro 2 years ago | Feb 07 22:19 |
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| trmanco | :-p | Feb 07 22:19 |
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| rami | speaking of Ubuntu, is it just me or is Ubuntu's sound management is f****ed up? | Feb 07 22:19 |
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| trmanco | pulseaudio is what f's it up IMO | Feb 07 22:19 |
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| rami | My sound works with a fresh restart, and then suddenly stops at some random point | Feb 07 22:20 |
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| trmanco | I use ALSA | Feb 07 22:20 |
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| trmanco | I changes these setting in the gnome volume menu | Feb 07 22:20 |
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| trmanco | changed* | Feb 07 22:20 |
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| trmanco | settings* | Feb 07 22:20 |
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| rami | Did all that, sound and the mic used to work fine on 7.10...lost input in 8.04 and now I lose sound every X amount of hours :S | Feb 07 22:21 |
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| trmanco | :| | Feb 07 22:21 |
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| trmanco | I have no problems at all | Feb 07 22:21 |
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| trmanco | good thing we have a choice | Feb 07 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | pulseaudio burned me yesterday | Feb 07 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | I was recording some staff in audacious and it messed up for the first time, well... ever. Since I set up this machine. | Feb 07 22:26 |
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| rami | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-... | Feb 07 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Computer virus shuts down Houston municipal courts < http://www.chron.com/disp/stor... > | Feb 07 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, burmas | Feb 07 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | rami: thanks, 3 people (at least) beat him to it. | Feb 07 22:39 |
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| rami | beat matt asay? | Feb 07 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 07 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on. | Feb 07 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Posted here first: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/02/0... | Feb 07 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Then I wrote about it in: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/micro... | Feb 07 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Than Glyn Moody: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200... | Feb 07 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | *then | Feb 07 22:43 |
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| rami | schestowitz, lol well you know my main source of news is digg.com :P | Feb 07 22:45 |
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| rami | I need to fix this sound issue, what service should I restart? | Feb 07 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Can you change the sound server? | Feb 07 22:46 |
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| rami | for sound events I have alsa | Feb 07 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | with arts i'd just 'killall artsd && artsd' | Feb 07 22:47 |
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| rami | for music and movies I have pulseaudio | Feb 07 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm.... Ubuntu 8.10? | Feb 07 22:48 |
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| rami | ya | Feb 07 22:48 |
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| rami | audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback. Device is being used by another application. | Feb 07 22:48 |
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| rami | thats when I press the test button on the gui | Feb 07 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Can you change sound server? | Feb 07 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | There's a lock on it. Something hijacks it | Feb 07 22:49 |
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| rami | ya thats what I thought...how can I find out? | Feb 07 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Can you see a pattern? | Feb 07 22:49 |
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| rami | nope, it never stopped while am working...I leave it and go to sleep wake up and find the sound out | Feb 07 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Also see your tasks/processes in top | Feb 07 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | See if something is hogged up | Feb 07 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe toros@ubuntu/member/toro will know. | Feb 07 22:50 |
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| toros | hi :) | Feb 07 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 07 22:51 |
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| rami | hey toros :) | Feb 07 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | How familiar are you with Ubuntu\? | Feb 07 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | rami: have you googled to find a similar diagnosis? | Feb 07 22:51 |
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| toros | hmmm... what's the question? | Feb 07 22:52 |
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| rami | done that a lot, can't remember what was the results, but this has been going on for months now | Feb 07 22:52 |
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| rami | my sound just randomly dies, just a restart would solve it | Feb 07 22:52 |
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| rami | my dmesg http://pastebin.com/m52ef64d4 | Feb 07 22:52 |
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| toros | Hmmm, I don't know, what it could be... | Feb 07 22:55 |
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| rami | something is locking up sound for me | Feb 07 22:55 |
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| rami | audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect: Connection refused | Feb 07 22:55 |
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| toros | these random things are always mysterious | Feb 07 22:55 |
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| toros | what kind of chip is this? | Feb 07 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | :-) http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2009/... | Feb 07 22:56 |
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| rami | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) | Feb 07 22:57 |
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| toros | I have a similar controller: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) | Feb 07 22:59 |
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| toros | I think, Intel provides open source drivers for both of them... so they should just work | Feb 07 23:00 |
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| rami | they work, but they just abruptly stop | Feb 07 23:00 |
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| toros | maybe it could be also a hardware-side bug... | Feb 07 23:00 |
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| rami | been on this machine for years, only started doing this with 8.04 | Feb 07 23:00 |
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| toros | It could be also a PulseAudio bug | Feb 07 23:01 |
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| toros | They use pulseaudio since hardy | Feb 07 23:01 |
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| rami | could I just unistall pulseaudio? | Feb 07 23:01 |
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| rami | schestowitz, there dugg! http://digg.com/software/Firefox_Spott... | Feb 07 23:02 |
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| rami | gah whatever am gonna restart | Feb 07 23:04 |
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| trmanco | "Anyway, Vista 7 comes in a "Starter Edition" which is only able to run 3 | Feb 07 23:13 |
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| trmanco | apps simultaneously." | Feb 07 23:13 |
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| toros | lol, that's 2 more, what an average user is able to controll ;) | Feb 07 23:15 |
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| trmanco | so, microsoft knows they can't beat Linux on netbooks, so they will bundle netbooks with V7 starter edition so that the people who buy can think netbook are crap and thus microsot will try and destroy the netbook market | Feb 07 23:15 |
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| trmanco | "only 3 apps running at the same time? | Feb 07 23:16 |
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| trmanco | Let's see: | Feb 07 23:16 |
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| trmanco | antivirus | Feb 07 23:16 |
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| trmanco | antispyware | Feb 07 23:16 |
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| trmanco | defrag... | Feb 07 23:16 |
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| trmanco | " | Feb 07 23:16 |
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| toros | Have you read this article? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10... | Feb 07 23:22 |
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| trmanco | The European Commission and Microsoft: http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2009/02/06/t... | Feb 07 23:22 |
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| trmanco | just read it | Feb 07 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | toros: yes, we covered it too | Feb 07 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/m... | Feb 07 23:26 |
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| toros | sorry, you have so many articles, and I haven't discovered this yet :) | Feb 07 23:27 |
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| toros | I just started reading your site | Feb 07 23:28 |
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| *balzac_afk is now known as balzac | Feb 07 23:29 |
| schestowitz | toros: thanks, and welcome | Feb 07 23:32 |
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| toros | I knew that there is a site called boycottnovell, but I never checked it until now | Feb 07 23:37 |
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| toros | and I am surprised now, how active it is :) | Feb 07 23:37 |
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| toros | ehhh, you have written about this to: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/1... | Feb 07 23:42 |
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| toros | :) | Feb 07 23:42 |
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| trmanco | loool | Feb 07 23:42 |
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| toros | It was funny... I know the guy in person who threw the eggs :) | Feb 07 23:42 |
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| trmanco | even funnier if you know him | Feb 07 23:43 |
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| trmanco | toros, his reason? | Feb 07 23:43 |
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| toros | corruption... | Feb 07 23:44 |
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| MinceR | that 25 million HUF deal, iirc | Feb 07 23:44 |
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| toros | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/24/... | Feb 07 23:45 |
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| toros | 25 billion HUF | Feb 07 23:45 |
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| toros | that is now about 112 million USD | Feb 07 23:46 |
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| MinceR | oh. | Feb 07 23:46 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 07 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | toros: yes, that Ballmer thing is old by now. | Feb 07 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | We have almost 6000 posts | Feb 07 23:47 |
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| toros | the guy is a Linux user (I think, he uses Debian), and we met sometimes on sysadmin days, release parties... | Feb 07 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | He has a site | Feb 07 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yellow background, I can't recall the address | Feb 07 23:48 |
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| toros | yes, I know his site | Feb 07 23:50 |
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| MinceR | http://nagyorgy.uw.hu/ | Feb 07 23:50 |
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| MinceR | he moved the yellow-background page to http://nagyorgy.uw.hu/fsf/ though | Feb 07 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | What does the site's name translation again? | Feb 07 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | It could be something vulgar. | Feb 07 23:53 |
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| toros | no, there's nothing vulgar on it... | Feb 07 23:54 |
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| MinceR | i don't see anything vulgar there either | Feb 07 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | Was detention something that involved moving to IIS? The site is painfully slow. | Feb 07 23:54 |
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| toros | the yellow is about Free Softwares, and it says, that we should support a Hungarian Foundation for Free Software (FSF.hu) | Feb 07 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | The press didn't tell his story | Feb 07 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | "man throws egg at Ballmer" | Feb 07 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | Not "Ballmer commits usual crimes and get rotten tomatoes for it" | Feb 07 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | That's business press... no investigation | Feb 07 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | 'Poor' Gates... the 'charlatan' that's being chased after by the horrible hounds like Neelie... those 'harsh' regulators who want to enforce justice and law. | Feb 07 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | "The government is not trying to destroy Microsoft, it’s simply seeking to compel Microsoft to obey the law. It’s quite revealing that Mr. Gates equates the two." --Government official | Feb 07 23:57 |
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| toros | the green (the newer) is more political... | Feb 07 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | There's lots to talk about | Feb 07 23:57 |
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| MinceR | the site is on a free provider | Feb 07 23:58 |
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| MinceR | (and at least here, all free providers suck) | Feb 07 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | There are hardly any facilities for reporting corruption, even when and where you know it exists. The authorities are better at handling small potatoes like shopliting but they can't handle Big Crime (white collar) from Bi Criminals. | Feb 07 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: they may suck, but they don't suck bandwisth | Feb 07 23:58 |
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