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schestowitzMore background here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/...Mar 05 22:05
_Hicham_so obama is not using Linux on his laptop for sureMar 05 22:05
schestowitzAdobe's no Red Hat: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... (Adobe expects disappointing Q1 sales)Mar 05 22:06
schestowitz_Hicham_: where did you hear such a thing?Mar 05 22:06
schestowitzI don't even think he uses a MacMar 05 22:06
schestowitzI don't know if he knows what Linux is (other than very basically)Mar 05 22:06
schestowitzHe's a spokesmanMar 05 22:06
_Hicham_he is a harvard graduateMar 05 22:07
schestowitzExactly.Mar 05 22:07
schestowitzIt would be nice to have him questioned without prior preparationMar 05 22:07
schestowitz"So tell us, what does Ubuntu mean?"Mar 05 22:07
_Hicham_yes, that would be very funnyMar 05 22:08
schestowitz"What................ are your  policies?" [obama gasps]Mar 05 22:08
schestowitzThey never talk about clear plans. That's left for others to decideMar 05 22:08
_Hicham_:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:DMar 05 22:08
_Hicham_the president is just a spokesman as u saidMar 05 22:09
schestowitzThey called Kerry a flip-floppers because he tried to appeal to both sidesMar 05 22:09
_Hicham_u can't appeal to both sidesMar 05 22:09
schestowitzThe people who run the country are paid wellMar 05 22:09
_Hicham_no one can do thatMar 05 22:09
schestowitz“Did you know that there are more than 34,750 registered lobbyists in Washington, D.C., for just 435 representatives and 100 senators? That's 64 lobbyists for each congressperson.”Mar 05 22:09
schestowitzIt's probably more now.Mar 05 22:09
schestowitzhttp://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/03/me...Mar 05 22:10
*schestowitz np: The Zombies - A Rose for Emily (Stereo)Mar 05 22:11
schestowitzThe Microsoft shill Shane O'Neill is attacking Linux again with Big LiesMar 05 22:13
schestowitzHe cites Microsoft-sponsored BS Mar 05 22:14
schestowitzAnd suggests that people choose Linux for cost, not security, power, freedom, etc.Mar 05 22:14
schestowitz"Though Linux's 0.88 percent OS market share hardly qualifies as a threat, Linux does compete with Microsoft in more areas than Apple and it is much cheaper. "Cheap" takes on an appealing sound in an economic recession."Mar 05 22:14
schestowitzTime for CIO to toss out the Microsoft shill, who by his own admission sat and spoke with Ballmer 2-3 weeks agoMar 05 22:14
schestowitzThey recently fired a FOSS-oriented writer from CIO Magazine (IDC). IDC is now apparently picking up more of the lackey who preach in favour of IDC's big client, Microsoft. There's a history of corruption there, too.Mar 05 22:15
_Hicham_linux is holding 0.88 because of games, and other accessoriesMar 05 22:16
_Hicham_and as Balzac said, linux needs more porn :DMar 05 22:16
schestowitzIt's not the market shareMar 05 22:16
schestowitzIt's a lie.Mar 05 22:16
schestowitzBut they recite itMar 05 22:16
_Hicham_I know that it s a lieMar 05 22:17
schestowitzThat's the beauty of big lies. If repeated often, people struggle to think differently.Mar 05 22:17
_Hicham_the linux market share is more than thatMar 05 22:17
schestowitzAnd it's recited a lot in IDC/IDG, as I pointed out many times in BNMar 05 22:17
schestowitzThey seed this stuffMar 05 22:17
schestowitzI'm not sure if it's good that they make an illusion of low market shareMar 05 22:17
_Hicham_if gamers move to linux, M$ can't lie anymoreMar 05 22:17
schestowitzBut either way, it's intended to repress and demoraliseMar 05 22:18
schestowitzSo it's harmful.Mar 05 22:18
schestowitzSee the comments in LinuxTodayMar 05 22:18
schestowitzFirst one especially: http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_manage...Mar 05 22:18
_Hicham_I don't know why game programmers uses DirectXMar 05 22:18
_Hicham_OpenGL is simplier thoughMar 05 22:18
_Hicham_schestowitz : what do u think of the open source projects written in MFC?Mar 05 22:19
schestowitzOpenGL 3.0 is greatMar 05 22:19
schestowitzMicrosoft can use money to get programmers confusedMar 05 22:20
schestowitzOr bribesMar 05 22:20
schestowitzConfused by spreading shills in channels of informationMar 05 22:20
schestowitzMS: "Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input.  Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them.  Thus, you control mindshare!" http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conten...Mar 05 22:20
_Hicham_I am thinking about Microsoft technologies in open source projectMar 05 22:21
_Hicham_what do u think of that?Mar 05 22:21
_Hicham_exampleMar 05 22:22
_Hicham_7zipMar 05 22:22
_Hicham_eMuleMar 05 22:22
_Hicham_MikTexMar 05 22:22
_Hicham_and many moreMar 05 22:22
_Hicham_?Mar 05 22:22
schestowitzThey try to extend sometimes.Mar 05 22:23
schestowitzLike with ODFMar 05 22:23
schestowitzIn the case of OpenGL, they came inside, took what they wanted and then attacked itMar 05 22:23
schestowitzTypical.. like with TRON.Mar 05 22:23
MinceRwhat's microsoft about those?Mar 05 22:23
MinceRespecially eMule and MikTexMar 05 22:23
schestowitzYeah, I wondered the sameMar 05 22:23
schestowitzI put MikTex on a PC for someoneMar 05 22:24
schestowitzFor LyX on WindowsMar 05 22:24
schestowitz(nightmare)Mar 05 22:24
schestowitzMandriva makes it a dreamMar 05 22:24
_Hicham_MinceR : they are written in MFCMar 05 22:24
MinceRoh.Mar 05 22:24
schestowitzOne click and voila! You have LyX with the whole stack right there. Like a dreamMar 05 22:24
schestowitzSame with GIMPMar 05 22:24
MinceRso all windows apps are using microsoft technologiesMar 05 22:24
MinceRthe win32 api, for example.Mar 05 22:24
schestowitz32?Mar 05 22:24
schestowitzHow long for?Mar 05 22:24
_Hicham_MinceR : not all windows appsMar 05 22:24
schestowitz3.2GB of RAM..Mar 05 22:25
_Hicham_GIMP uses GTKMar 05 22:25
MinceRschestowitz: until microsoft diesMar 05 22:25
MinceRschestowitz: or they hire a couple of programmers from DEC... oh wait, DEC is goneMar 05 22:25
MinceR_Hicham_: which uses the win32 api on windowsMar 05 22:25
_Hicham_MinceR : NotePad++ for exampleMar 05 22:25
_Hicham_it is completely written using Win32 APIMar 05 22:26
MinceR_Hicham_: omg microsoft technologyMar 05 22:26
_Hicham_Win32 API and MFC are bad, because they dont allow you to port you code to other platformsMar 05 22:26
_Hicham_if you uses GTK, QT, TCL or other framework, you dont have to worry about porting you codeMar 05 22:27
MinceRwell, having to code for windows is bad alreadyMar 05 22:27
_Hicham_no, it is not that badMar 05 22:27
_Hicham_it is somewhat goodMar 05 22:27
_Hicham_it eases the transition from Windows to LinuxMar 05 22:27
_Hicham_once the users get used to all FOSS software on Linux, they wont have a problem changing their platformMar 05 22:28
schestowitzMinceR: huh, oh, ic... that'll sufficeMar 05 22:28
_Hicham_here is how it worksMar 05 22:28
MinceRafaik MFC uses the win32 api; and directly or indirectly all gui windows apps use itMar 05 22:28
schestowitzComputers will have moved well past 32 bit by the time Microsoft files for bankruptcy (which I reckon might take a few years)Mar 05 22:28
MinceRtherefore all gui windows apps use m$ technologyMar 05 22:29
schestowitzMaybe they'll restructure like IBM... if they are luckyMar 05 22:29
MinceR(by that i mean using the gui of windows, not an external x server :> )Mar 05 22:29
_Hicham_MinceR : sure any Windows App uses Win32 APIMar 05 22:29
MinceRschestowitz: computers will, windows won'tMar 05 22:29
MinceRremember how hard they stick to all their obsolete stuffMar 05 22:30
_Hicham_but using Win32 directly is badMar 05 22:30
_Hicham_because of the portage problemMar 05 22:30
MinceRwho knows, maybe windows 8 will be some *bsd with a windows skinMar 05 22:30
schestowitzMinceR: maybe parts of itMar 05 22:30
_Hicham_MinceR : Windows Vista copied a lot of things from LinuxMar 05 22:31
schestowitzLike the stacksMar 05 22:31
_Hicham_for exampleMar 05 22:31
MinceR_Hicham_: i've heard of itMar 05 22:31
_Hicham_the explorer style is the one of nautilus oneMar 05 22:31
schestowitzUnlike Apple, it'll keep quiet and give back not even lip serviceMar 05 22:31
MinceRoh, from linuxMar 05 22:31
schestowitz"Redmond, start your photocopiers...."Mar 05 22:31
_Hicham_magic numbers in explorer -> taken from linuxMar 05 22:32
MinceRi've heard with vista they've ripped another lot of code from *bsdMar 05 22:32
schestowitzwget ~~~bsd~~~Mar 05 22:32
schestowitzc:\>Mar 05 22:32
_Hicham_Raise Execution Privilegies -> Taken for LinuxMar 05 22:32
schestowitzc:\>cd bsdMar 05 22:32
schestowitzDIRMar 05 22:32
schestowitzBSDSTAC~1.cMar 05 22:33
_Hicham_I didn't work a lot on VistaMar 05 22:33
MinceRschestowitz: they won't include source code :>Mar 05 22:33
_Hicham_but that it is just what i have seen on some friends laptopsMar 05 22:33
MinceRBSDSTAC~1.DLLMar 05 22:33
MinceR(renamed ELF shared object ;) )Mar 05 22:33
schestowitzThat's a partnt right there.Mar 05 22:33
schestowitzVFAT patentsMar 05 22:33
_Hicham_when i see vista, i see gnome copiedMar 05 22:33
schestowitzINNVA~1 innit?Mar 05 22:33
schestowitzI have an ideaMar 05 22:34
_Hicham_Vista = Gnome + M$ ShitMar 05 22:34
MinceR(hm, maybe with an extra PE header that would print some error message when run)Mar 05 22:34
schestowitzLet's index with alphanumerics at char 4Mar 05 22:34
schestowitzWHA~A ABO~Z Tha~bMar 05 22:34
MinceRthey could just use umsdosMar 05 22:35
MinceRs/they/you/Mar 05 22:35
_Hicham_MSDOS : first puppy of uncle BillyMar 05 22:36
_Hicham_he claimed that it is so powerfulMar 05 22:36
MinceRi'm talking about umsdos, not msdosMar 05 22:37
schestowitzI'm trying to push Moody into identic.ca... "See what lockin is about? Now you're stuck in Twitter because you "only tried it". I joined identica 2 weeks ago. That's where the hardcore *nixers are. :-)"Mar 05 22:38
schestowitz*identi.ca (typo)Mar 05 22:38
MinceRi never cared about "microblogging"Mar 05 22:39
schestowitzMinceR: he copies something powerful?Mar 05 22:39
schestowitz'MS' DOS?Mar 05 22:39
schestowitzMinceR: it rmnds me uv txting. lolzMar 05 22:39
_Hicham_schestowitz : what do u think of reactos?Mar 05 22:45
twitter"schestowitz: Computers will have moved well past 32 bit by the time Microsoft files for bankruptcy (which I reckon might take a few years)"  No more than two.Mar 05 22:45
schestowitzMicrosoft has another massive cutback.Mar 05 22:46
schestowitzJust in: "Microsoft's cutbacks are starting to spread to the larger group of contractors who work on projects for the company through outside vendors -- commonly known as "v-dash" workers. It's not clear how widespread the cuts will be, but some Microsoft vendors have been contacted by internal teams about cutting the budgets for projects currently under way by as much as 15 to 20 percent."Mar 05 22:46
_Hicham_schestowitz : what do u think of ReactOS?Mar 05 22:46
twitterimplode before failureMar 05 22:47
_Hicham_is it a real threat to M$?Mar 05 22:47
schestowitzMS gives them the finger: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Wheres_P...Mar 05 22:47
schestowitz_Hicham_: I don't knowMar 05 22:47
schestowitzLinux with Wine would doMar 05 22:47
schestowitzReacty OS comes too far from behindMar 05 22:47
schestowitzLike BSD, there's a momentum issueMar 05 22:47
schestowitzThey also last some major devs, IIRCMar 05 22:48
schestowitzJust recentlyMar 05 22:48
twitterThe real threat is mindshare, not migration to clonesMar 05 22:48
_Hicham_schestowitz : have u ever tried it?Mar 05 22:48
_Hicham_even on virtual machineMar 05 22:48
schestowitzIt's looking ugly at MicrosoftMar 05 22:48
schestowitzUnrest: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_cutba...Mar 05 22:48
twitterPeople who use GNU/Linux are completely outside of the M$ universeMar 05 22:48
schestowitzThe empire crumbles faster than anyone anticipatedMar 05 22:48
twitterno, I thought they would flunk soon.Mar 05 22:49
schestowitzThe Linux sub-notebooks alone have cost it over half a billionMar 05 22:49
schestowitzThat would be _A LOT_ of wagesMar 05 22:49
schestowitz5000m/100k=5,000Mar 05 22:49
_Hicham_Yes Asus have made a new move into the Computing WorldMar 05 22:49
MinceRi think reactos doesn't matter, only wine doesMar 05 22:49
schestowitzI.e. over 5000 employees could be rescued if it weren't for Linux (on netbooks alone)Mar 05 22:49
_Hicham_with its EeePC and instant-on PCMar 05 22:49
schestowitzOops.Mar 05 22:50
schestowitz500mMar 05 22:50
*wispygalaxy (i=9f5b894f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6687e9bbec01ecf8) has joined #boycottnovellMar 05 22:50
wispygalaxyhi all!Mar 05 22:50
schestowitzMake that an order of magnitude lessMar 05 22:50
schestowitzHeyMar 05 22:50
schestowitzwispygalaxy: MS crumblesMar 05 22:50
wispygalaxyhiya roy!  :)Mar 05 22:50
wispygalaxyheh tell me about itMar 05 22:50
twitterWine is a bigger threat because it helps move people out of WindozeMar 05 22:50
wispygalaxyhey twitterMar 05 22:50
twitterhttp://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Wheres_...Mar 05 22:50
schestowitztwitter: where's that final countdown tune?Mar 05 22:50
MinceRif only they crumbled fasterMar 05 22:50
wispygalaxyi have that song roy XDMar 05 22:51
schestowitzpost it for wispygalaxy to watch. She hasn't seen it.Mar 05 22:51
MinceRalso, reactos doesn't solve most of the technical problems with windowsMar 05 22:51
MinceRit's based on the same braindead designMar 05 22:51
twitterta ta, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v...Mar 05 22:51
schestowitz"steam" is the right word there from BishopMar 05 22:51
schestowitzMicrosoft is steamMar 05 22:51
wispygalaxyi saw the 2019 vidMar 05 22:51
schestowitzAnd it's losing someMar 05 22:51
wispygalaxythanks twitterMar 05 22:51
wispygalaxyi upgrade to lenny two days agoMar 05 22:52
wispygalaxyfinally hahaMar 05 22:52
twitterthere's no rushMar 05 22:52
_Hicham_MinceR : they said that M$ wont allow DirectX to be installed on any platform but WindowsMar 05 22:52
wispygalaxyi like having new stuff though lolMar 05 22:52
twitterThere are lots of shiny new things in Lenny.Mar 05 22:53
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : tell me about lennyMar 05 22:53
wispygalaxyyes and the speed is there too :)Mar 05 22:53
_Hicham_i am just still downloading itMar 05 22:53
twittermost of the time, it's faster.Mar 05 22:53
wispygalaxyit has iceweasal 3 and other goodiesMar 05 22:53
twitterI've had a few ACPI induced pains.Mar 05 22:53
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : is it faster than ubuntu?Mar 05 22:54
wispygalaxyi haven't looked closely yet  :(Mar 05 22:54
wispygalaxyyep it isMar 05 22:54
twitterboot time is excellent, most things work better than EtchMar 05 22:54
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : did u install it on a laptop?Mar 05 22:54
wispygalaxyyes it shuts down very nicelyMar 05 22:54
wispygalaxyvista took 5 minutes when i had it a while agoMar 05 22:54
twitterlike most versions of Debian, it's clean.Mar 05 22:54
wispygalaxyi have a lappyMar 05 22:54
twitterhow well does it nap?Mar 05 22:55
wispygalaxyyes there's no clutter, just the way i like itMar 05 22:55
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : what about acpi?Mar 05 22:55
wispygalaxythere's less problems overallMar 05 22:55
_Hicham_yes, i was gonna ask about thatMar 05 22:55
twitterI'm still using APM on my older thinkpadsMar 05 22:55
twitterACPI sucksMar 05 22:55
wispygalaxycoolMar 05 22:55
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : did u hibernate you lappy successfully?Mar 05 22:56
wispygalaxyi haven't tried yet since i shut down at nightMar 05 22:56
wispygalaxybut i bet it doesMar 05 22:56
twitterhere's a long, boring write up http://slashdot.org/~twitter/...Mar 05 22:56
wispygalaxythanks for the linkMar 05 22:56
_Hicham_twitter : apm is better than acpi?Mar 05 22:57
MinceR235948 < _Hicham_> MinceR : they said that M$ wont allow DirectX to be installed on any platform but WindowsMar 05 22:57
MinceRso?Mar 05 22:57
MinceRreactos isn't windowsMar 05 22:57
twitterI had a 2006 Dell laptop that hibernated OK with ACPI.Mar 05 22:57
twitterAPM was much simpler and better than ACPIMar 05 22:57
_Hicham_MinceR : so ReactOS will faisMar 05 22:57
_Hicham_failMar 05 22:57
_Hicham_simplyMar 05 22:57
MinceRit doesn't depend on thatMar 05 22:57
_Hicham_because the gamers are the first targetMar 05 22:57
MinceRit will fail nevertheless :>Mar 05 22:57
twitterwhy?  people get DirectX to work under WineMar 05 22:57
twitterthey should be able to get it working with ReactOS.Mar 05 22:58
MinceRthey can hack directx to work under reactos if they really want anywayMar 05 22:58
twitterwho cares what M$ wants?Mar 05 22:58
wispygalaxyM$ is acting like a diva lolMar 05 22:58
_Hicham_I am talking about the licenseMar 05 22:58
MinceRthat's really unfair to divasMar 05 22:58
wispygalaxyhahaMar 05 22:58
MinceRm$ is acting like the parasite it is.Mar 05 22:59
twittertheir license means all of nothing under a free OSMar 05 22:59
MinceRthey must die so that IT may liveMar 05 22:59
_Hicham_what if ati and nvidia stop making drivers for directx?Mar 05 22:59
wispygalaxythey are holding back progressMar 05 22:59
twittermicrotardsMar 05 23:00
wispygalaxyi don't have an xbox 360Mar 05 23:00
twitterlike a tar pitMar 05 23:00
twitterwhy should you?Mar 05 23:00
wispygalaxyxbox has too many sports gamesMar 05 23:00
_Hicham_have you heard of a game : Assassin's Creed?Mar 05 23:01
wispygalaxyi like ps2 games better, more adventure stuffMar 05 23:01
wispygalaxyyes i haveMar 05 23:01
_Hicham_it has gigantic system requirementsMar 05 23:01
wispygalaxylike crysis on the PCMar 05 23:01
_Hicham_here a short system requirement :Mar 05 23:01
_Hicham_Ram : 3GBMar 05 23:01
wispygalaxyi only have 2 :(Mar 05 23:02
_Hicham_CPU : Core 2 Duo 2,6Mar 05 23:02
_Hicham_?Mar 05 23:02
wispygalaxy2 GB ram i meanMar 05 23:02
_Hicham_yesMar 05 23:02
_Hicham_what do u think of this system requirements?Mar 05 23:02
twittermore than 3 million people lost their jobs in the last 5 weeks http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060...Mar 05 23:02
wispygalaxyit's crazyMar 05 23:02
_Hicham_ah, and the graphic chipset must be at least 512MBMar 05 23:03
_Hicham_there is at the most only 8 graphic chipsets that support itMar 05 23:03
_Hicham_four ATIs, and four NvidiasMar 05 23:03
wispygalaxyinterestingMar 05 23:04
wispygalaxyi have a laptop, so i can't really be a hardcore gamerMar 05 23:04
_Hicham_why wispy?Mar 05 23:04
wispygalaxyit's too weak for a lot of gamesMar 05 23:04
_Hicham_there is a lot of games that run well on laptopsMar 05 23:04
_Hicham_how much video memory do u have?Mar 05 23:05
wispygalaxyi'm into console gaming moreMar 05 23:05
_Hicham_256?Mar 05 23:05
_Hicham_yeah, that is much funMar 05 23:05
_Hicham_what do u have?Mar 05 23:05
_Hicham_Xbox?Mar 05 23:05
wispygalaxyps2Mar 05 23:05
wispygalaxyi play web games more thoughMar 05 23:05
_Hicham_did u play Assassin's Creed?Mar 05 23:05
wispygalaxynope, but my friend hasMar 05 23:05
_Hicham_i read cool reviews of itMar 05 23:06
wispygalaxyis it difficultMar 05 23:06
_Hicham_yesMar 05 23:06
_Hicham_it is like the GTA games from one handMar 05 23:06
wispygalaxyi hope you have fun then :)Mar 05 23:06
_Hicham_it means that u have a lot of freedomMar 05 23:06
wispygalaxyi have gta 3Mar 05 23:06
_Hicham_i dont have the system requirements for itMar 05 23:06
wispygalaxyim working on that now, i havenMar 05 23:06
_Hicham_GTA is greatMar 05 23:07
wispygalaxyhavent won it yetMar 05 23:07
wispygalaxyyes it's like jak 2Mar 05 23:07
wispygalaxyyou know jak and daxter?Mar 05 23:07
_Hicham_noMar 05 23:07
_Hicham_i played all hitman seriesMar 05 23:07
wispygalaxyit's mainly for playstationMar 05 23:07
_Hicham_i like stealth gamesMar 05 23:07
schestowitzSun's Schwartz worries over 'economy, not future' < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... >Mar 05 23:07
wispygalaxyi'm more into fantasy/adventureMar 05 23:07
wispygalaxyi hope things will be okMar 05 23:08
_Hicham_me tooMar 05 23:08
_Hicham_Roy : do you think that viruses in Windows help Linux?Mar 05 23:09
wispygalaxyi'm so glad im not a senior right nowMar 05 23:09
wispygalaxyin college i meanMar 05 23:09
wispygalaxythey are having a hard time finding jobsMar 05 23:09
_Hicham_there are few jobs on the marketMar 05 23:09
wispygalaxyi hated how antivirus wasted my time on vistaMar 05 23:09
_Hicham_the global economy is still recoveringMar 05 23:10
wispygalaxyit made my computer lagMar 05 23:10
wispygalaxyit needs to heal :)Mar 05 23:10
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : u dont have to have it turned on all the timeMar 05 23:10
wispygalaxyi know, but i forgot to turn it on when i did thatMar 05 23:10
wispygalaxywith debian, there are no worriesMar 05 23:11
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : have u used ubuntu?Mar 05 23:11
wispygalaxyyep, it was my 1st linux distro ;)Mar 05 23:11
wispygalaxyhad no trouble getting used to the interface and new programsMar 05 23:12
_Hicham_and why did you move to debian?Mar 05 23:12
_Hicham_just trying new stuff?Mar 05 23:13
wispygalaxyit helps to know it, and people say it's good to have that knowledge when looking for a jobMar 05 23:13
_Hicham_then you have to test fedora alsoMar 05 23:13
_Hicham_it is a must to knowMar 05 23:13
wispygalaxyi really want to :)Mar 05 23:13
wispygalaxycoolMar 05 23:14
_Hicham_then download itMar 05 23:14
_Hicham_i am a regular ubuntu userMar 05 23:14
_Hicham_but i heard that debian is fasterMar 05 23:14
wispygalaxyi will, i promiseMar 05 23:14
_Hicham_and i want to test itMar 05 23:14
wispygalaxyyes it's amazingly fastMar 05 23:14
wispygalaxygo ahead, it's quite painless :DMar 05 23:14
_Hicham_is compiz working?Mar 05 23:15
wispygalaxyi haven't tested it out yet, but i'm going to work on itMar 05 23:15
_Hicham_so 3D desktop is not on yet?Mar 05 23:15
trmancohello wispygalaxyMar 05 23:15
_Hicham_what graphic chipset do u have?Mar 05 23:16
wispygalaxynope, hichamMar 05 23:16
wispygalaxyhey trmanco!Mar 05 23:16
wispygalaxyyou made it!Mar 05 23:16
wispygalaxyoh it's intelMar 05 23:17
_Hicham_then it be activated by defaultMar 05 23:17
wispygalaxyi bought this laptop before knowing about getting linux friendly hardwareMar 05 23:17
wispygalaxyoh ok coolMar 05 23:18
_Hicham_Dell is Linux friendlyMar 05 23:18
schestowitz     >>>>  _Hicham_:  Roy : do you think that viruses in Windows help Linux?Mar 05 23:18
wispygalaxyi was going to get an HP laptopMar 05 23:18
schestowitzI'm not sureMar 05 23:18
schestowitzCan't hearm thoughMar 05 23:18
schestowitz*harmMar 05 23:18
_Hicham_IBM and HP are Linux Friendly at some pointMar 05 23:18
wispygalaxythat's good to knowMar 05 23:19
schestowitz_Hicham_: it's not recoveringMar 05 23:19
schestowitzThe global economy has yet to collapseMar 05 23:19
wispygalaxyi don't use windows because of security reasonsMar 05 23:19
schestowitzFrom what understand, the worse is yet to comeMar 05 23:19
_Hicham_schestowitz : viruses can't harm linux even with WineMar 05 23:19
wispygalaxylike how royMar 05 23:19
schestowitzBanks collapseMar 05 23:19
_Hicham_schestowitz : USA previsions have not included ChinaMar 05 23:19
wispygalaxyuh ohMar 05 23:20
_Hicham_they didnt know that China will be that much of a consumer that it is right nowMar 05 23:20
wispygalaxywhere do you live hichamMar 05 23:20
_Hicham_China is the second oil consumerMar 05 23:20
*schestowitz caches up with IRCMar 05 23:20
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : I live in MoroccoMar 05 23:20
wispygalaxyoh ok, im from usaMar 05 23:21
_Hicham_nice to meet u wispygalaxyMar 05 23:21
schestowitz_Hicham_: new cartoon: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/The_re...Mar 05 23:21
wispygalaxythanks, same here :)Mar 05 23:21
wispygalaxyhaha!Mar 05 23:21
schestowitzLet me find a related ref from glyn moodyMar 05 23:21
schestowitzHere's one:Mar 05 23:22
schestowitzglynmoody: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/11...Mar 05 23:22
schestowitzI'll paste here cause it's shortMar 05 23:22
schestowitzThe Chinese Overlords of Intellectual Monopolies Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz| In the 19th century, America was a by-word for piracy of British ideas. InMar 05 23:22
schestowitz| the 20th century, as its industry developed, it embraced intellectualMar 05 23:22
schestowitz| monopolies, and became the most fervent advocate of maximalist legal regimes.Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz|Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz| In the 20th century, China was a by-word for piracy of American ideas. In theMar 05 23:22
schestowitz| 21st century, as its industry developed, it embraced intellectual monopolies,Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz| and became their stoutest defender. The news story above is but the trickleMar 05 23:22
schestowitz| that presages the torrent.Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz|Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz| Soon, America will be deluged with such suits, as China tries to leverage itsMar 05 23:22
schestowitz| huge industrial power. The consequence? America will become one of the mostMar 05 23:22
schestowitz| fervent advocates for *minimalist* intellectual property regimes. Yes, youMar 05 23:22
schestowitz| read that correctly: just wait.Mar 05 23:22
MinceR(flash) (video) (audio) http://www.theonion.com/content/vi...Mar 05 23:23
schestowitzHe's just mailed me back a couple of timesMar 05 23:23
schestowitzHe ain't leaving twitterMar 05 23:23
schestowitzNot will he start his own domainMar 05 23:23
schestowitzHe has linuxjournal and computerworlduk (IDC)Mar 05 23:23
schestowitz*NorMar 05 23:23
wispygalaxywho roy?Mar 05 23:23
schestowitzGlynMar 05 23:24
schestowitzWho wrote about China a lotMar 05 23:24
wispygalaxyoh okMar 05 23:24
schestowitzThe next superpowerMar 05 23:24
wispygalaxycool royMar 05 23:24
_Hicham_what if all chinese people uses Linux?Mar 05 23:24
_Hicham_then the market share will be balanced, no, Roy?Mar 05 23:24
wispygalaxydoesn't china want to make itMar 05 23:26
wispygalaxyits own linuxMar 05 23:26
schestowitzLOL "Expert in a suit"Mar 05 23:26
schestowitzMinceR: thanksMar 05 23:26
schestowitzIf he wears a t-shirt, then he can't be an expert anymore.Mar 05 23:27
MinceR:)Mar 05 23:27
wispygalaxythat's too badMar 05 23:27
schestowitzHehe. http://www.theonion.com/content/video/a...Mar 05 23:28
wispygalaxydon't judge a book by its cover hahaMar 05 23:28
wispygalaxylol the onionMar 05 23:28
_Hicham_there won't obesity with this crisisMar 05 23:28
wispygalaxythe food is so bad at my collegeMar 05 23:29
wispygalaxyboth lunch and breakfast tasted really badMar 05 23:29
schestowitzFuel -> foodMar 05 23:29
schestowitzNo fuel -> no foodMar 05 23:29
wispygalaxysalad and fruit seem to be the only tasty things hereMar 05 23:29
schestowitzAnd the US depends on oil imports, traded by the dollazMar 05 23:29
wispygalaxynot euros like how iran wantsMar 05 23:30
_Hicham_the dollar is always going downMar 05 23:30
tessier_Always? http://www.x-rates.com/d/EUR/USD/...Mar 05 23:30
wispygalaxyi hope there will be no hyperinflation like how south america had itMar 05 23:30
schestowitzIndian Blogger Sued, Forced To Apologize, For Criticizing Journalist And Quoting Wikipedia < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090303... >Mar 05 23:31
wispygalaxyinteresting graph tessierMar 05 23:31
wispygalaxynever quote wikipedia, i hear that every classMar 05 23:32
tessier_And notice the Y axis. That's a 10% swing from high to low.Mar 05 23:32
wispygalaxyit's been an intense couple months so farMar 05 23:32
schestowitzwispygalaxy: what to quote instead?Mar 05 23:32
schestowitzThe 'media'?Mar 05 23:33
schestowitzJunk science?Mar 05 23:33
wispygalaxybooks i guess XDMar 05 23:33
tessier_Books are slow, expensive, outdated, and hard to find.Mar 05 23:33
schestowitzCan't click to read themMar 05 23:33
wispygalaxykindle :)Mar 05 23:33
schestowitzNeeds libraries, trips, orders, etcMar 05 23:33
tessier_This is why wikipedia likes to cite references wherever possible.Mar 05 23:33
wispygalaxyi don't have that thoughMar 05 23:33
schestowitzkindle is DRM-riddledMar 05 23:33
wispygalaxyit runs linux :PMar 05 23:33
tessier_Intead of citing wikipedia you can cite the study or paper or whatever that wikipedia cites.Mar 05 23:33
wispygalaxythat's a good pointMar 05 23:34
wispygalaxybut i tend to go with books or magazines, websites tooMar 05 23:34
tessier_Those are good if you can get them.Mar 05 23:34
tessier_Although magazines and websites can make stuff up just as easily as any wikipedia author can.Mar 05 23:34
wispygalaxythere's a nice library here on campusMar 05 23:34
wispygalaxythat's very trueMar 05 23:35
tessier_Full of very nice old books, I'm sure.Mar 05 23:35
wispygalaxyhaha we have computer books from the 60'sMar 05 23:35
wispygalaxythey are in excellent condition since no one has checked them out yetMar 05 23:35
wispygalaxypeople here don't read a lotMar 05 23:36
wispygalaxyroy do you still get magazines at your homeMar 05 23:38
tessier_I don't get a single magazine.Mar 05 23:38
MinceRfrom the humor department: http://news.slashdot.org/article.p...Mar 05 23:38
tessier_I have received a few over the years but I usually let my subscription lapse. Everything I need is online these days.Mar 05 23:38
wispygalaxymy family still gets nat geoMar 05 23:38
wispygalaxysame hereMar 05 23:38
tessier_Nat Geo is a quality mag. Although it should go online too.Mar 05 23:38
wispygalaxyi hope the pictures will retain their good qualityMar 05 23:39
wispygalaxymy sisters used to get Lucky and VogueMar 05 23:39
wispygalaxywe also got Nickelodeon magazine when we were youngerMar 05 23:40
MinceRgnMar 05 23:41
wispygalaxysee ya!Mar 05 23:41
schestowitzThe Cliff Saran lackey (Mcirosoft) is propping up Windows at AmazonMar 05 23:42
schestowitzhttp://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009...Mar 05 23:42
schestowitzWith former-Microsoft in Amazon's management I wonder if they sold out LinuxMar 05 23:43
schestowitzMS: "pay us for Linux"Mar 05 23:43
schestowitzAmazonsoft: "Sure, Horacio, I used to work with you"Mar 05 23:43
wispygalaxyamazon is doing well with its linux servers, right?Mar 05 23:43
wispygalaxylol royMar 05 23:43
schestowitzThen you look at the price tags for Windows and Linux clouds and see if it's another Dell-like hush-huash selloutMar 05 23:43
*schestowitz doesn't read magazinesMar 05 23:44
wispygalaxynot even one?  :)Mar 05 23:44
wispygalaxyi don't really either, but i used to back when i was a teenMar 05 23:44
schestowitzNo, I don't use paperMar 05 23:44
wispygalaxyeco friendly, i see :DMar 05 23:45
schestowitzI had some mags collections as a kidMar 05 23:45
wispygalaxydo you have baseball cardsMar 05 23:45
schestowitzWaste of space and no search facilitiesMar 05 23:45
schestowitzNo, I had footballs cardsMar 05 23:45
schestowitzStupid thingsMar 05 23:45
schestowitzMaking kids brainwashes and peer pressured into itMar 05 23:46
wispygalaxyat least they made you happy for a whileMar 05 23:46
schestowitzLike drug dealsMar 05 23:46
wispygalaxyhahaMar 05 23:46
schestowitzGive them albums with missing/blank spotsMar 05 23:46
schestowitzThen sell them placementsMar 05 23:46
wispygalaxywas it really like that?Mar 05 23:46
schestowitzSo instead of using lunch money fro something useful they buy the 'drugs'Mar 05 23:46
schestowitzSame issueMar 05 23:47
wispygalaxyi always carried my lunch money in an envelope when i was younger XDMar 05 23:47
schestowitzGlue rather than cannabis :-)Mar 05 23:47
wispygalaxyheheMar 05 23:47
wispygalaxyin the 90s, kids in my class were crazy about pogsMar 05 23:47
schestowitzmaking money from obsessions of minds they createMar 05 23:47
schestowitzDon't get me started about the lotteryMar 05 23:47
schestowitzI had a very long talk about it Tuesday at the gym..Mar 05 23:47
wispygalaxymy dad plays it at times XDMar 05 23:48
schestowitzPeople living in the dream of stupid EU raffleMar 05 23:48
wispygalaxybut he never wins the jackpotMar 05 23:48
schestowitzPogs tooMar 05 23:48
wispygalaxyi'll show you a picMar 05 23:48
schestowitzThat caught me less, a few years behind meMar 05 23:48
schestowitzOKMar 05 23:48
schestowitzPog: the imaginary currencyMar 05 23:49
schestowitzStill, safer than the $ these days :-)Mar 05 23:49
wispygalaxyhttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/...Mar 05 23:49
wispygalaxyexactly like thoseMar 05 23:49
wispygalaxythere are different versionsMar 05 23:49
schestowitzI know what they are.Mar 05 23:50
schestowitzWe had like 1000+ of them in the house]Mar 05 23:50
wispygalaxyi was showing the best representation of what i saw back thenMar 05 23:50
schestowitzI think they're still somewhere.Mar 05 23:50
schestowitzWaste of carton and plasticMar 05 23:50
wispygalaxyprobably something ate them, who knowsMar 05 23:50
schestowitzMothMar 05 23:50
wispygalaxymy dad caught a moth in a jar once, the next morning we woke up, there were so many eggs in the jarMar 05 23:51
wispygalaxyit looked like someone dumped tiny mint green beads in the jarMar 05 23:51
Balroghi everyoneMar 05 23:55
_Hicham_hi balrogMar 05 23:55
wispygalaxyhey balrog!Mar 05 23:56
wispygalaxywelcome backMar 05 23:56
Balroghow's everything going?Mar 05 23:57
wispygalaxyim done with classes, and spring break is here!  wootMar 05 23:57
wispygalaxyi have a migraine though :(Mar 05 23:57
wispygalaxyruns in the familyMar 05 23:58
*schestowitz makes teaMar 05 23:59
wispygalaxycan i have some? :)Mar 05 23:59
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