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| Balrog | cool. | Mar 06 00:00 |
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| _Hicham_ | Roy, a cup of tea plz | Mar 06 00:00 |
| wispygalaxy | do you like to cook, roy | Mar 06 00:00 |
| wispygalaxy | i like baking stuff too | Mar 06 00:00 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy seems to be a good cooker | Mar 06 00:01 |
| wispygalaxy | i got an A in cooking class haha | Mar 06 00:01 |
| schestowitz | me? | Mar 06 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Cook? | Mar 06 00:01 |
| wispygalaxy | i can make stir fry really well | Mar 06 00:01 |
| wispygalaxy | yes you :) | Mar 06 00:01 |
| schestowitz | No, I'm just boiling water now | Mar 06 00:01 |
| wispygalaxy | i can do that too ;) | Mar 06 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Cuisine is a culture thing | Mar 06 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Maybe more relevant in the more distant past | Mar 06 00:02 |
| wispygalaxy | it's kinda relaxing to do | Mar 06 00:03 |
| schestowitz | And for arrogant suits who pretend that tiny appetizers and 10 plates with 'samples' in one meal makes them important | Mar 06 00:03 |
| schestowitz | A lot of food can be mass-produced these days | Mar 06 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Even cakes | Mar 06 00:03 |
| wispygalaxy | making a cake for someone shows that you care about them | Mar 06 00:03 |
| wispygalaxy | i do that for my family | Mar 06 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Factories automate a lof of the process and even reduce energy consumption compared to duplication of effort at homes. | Mar 06 00:03 |
| PetoKraus | roy indeed seems to be a good cooker! | Mar 06 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Problem is, this enables reckless populationb growth | Mar 06 00:04 |
| PetoKraus | an electric one with ceramic plate! | Mar 06 00:04 |
| wispygalaxy | hey pk! | Mar 06 00:04 |
| schestowitz | And one day when energy crisis hits people can starve | Mar 06 00:04 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Mar 06 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Not funny | Mar 06 00:04 |
| wispygalaxy | i was talking to pk haha | Mar 06 00:04 |
| PetoKraus | i'm sorry, but this typo is actually quite amusing ;) | Mar 06 00:04 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: Hehe. | Mar 06 00:04 |
| schestowitz | I missed that one | Mar 06 00:04 |
| wispygalaxy | roy you got mad at me :( | Mar 06 00:05 |
| schestowitz | No, why|? | Mar 06 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Because text carried no emotion or tone? | Mar 06 00:05 |
| wispygalaxy | it's easy to misinterpret things | Mar 06 00:05 |
| PetoKraus | this memory leak is retarded | Mar 06 00:06 |
| wispygalaxy | online i mean | Mar 06 00:06 |
| PetoKraus | brb | Mar 06 00:06 |
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| Balrog | everyone can boil water :P | Mar 06 00:06 |
| wispygalaxy | i did for my chem class | Mar 06 00:07 |
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| wispygalaxy | i miss science class experiments | Mar 06 00:07 |
| PetoKraus | there we go, 1200MB ram freed by simple Xorg restart | Mar 06 00:07 |
| wispygalaxy | i have to take one science course in order to graduate | Mar 06 00:07 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 06 00:07 |
| wispygalaxy | cool pk | Mar 06 00:07 |
| Balrog | I'm doing physics, so that's a lot of science courses | Mar 06 00:07 |
| PetoKraus | it isn't cool | Mar 06 00:08 |
| PetoKraus | it's annoying | Mar 06 00:08 |
| Balrog | what?!?! Which Xorg are you using? | Mar 06 00:08 |
| PetoKraus | 1.6.0 | Mar 06 00:08 |
| Balrog | ew | Mar 06 00:08 |
| PetoKraus | i presume the bug is in the ati driver | Mar 06 00:08 |
| Balrog | better than 1.5.x? | Mar 06 00:08 |
| PetoKraus | well | Mar 06 00:08 |
| PetoKraus | it has a bloody memleak | Mar 06 00:08 |
| Balrog | I heard that Arch Linux moved the ati driver out of the main repo? | Mar 06 00:08 |
| PetoKraus | yes | Mar 06 00:08 |
| wispygalaxy | when you have to do experiments and write lab reports, i hate that | Mar 06 00:08 |
| PetoKraus | arch is The Revolution againist GPU drivers | Mar 06 00:08 |
| PetoKraus | fglrx pushed out to community/aur | Mar 06 00:09 |
| _Hicham_ | PetKraus : what ATI card to u have? | Mar 06 00:09 |
| schestowitz | MSI finally does Linux: http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/20... | Mar 06 00:09 |
| PetoKraus | in the same week AMD said they are dropping support for anything older than R500 | Mar 06 00:09 |
| PetoKraus | _Hicham_: Mobility Radeon X1400 | Mar 06 00:09 |
| PetoKraus | see, that's a good idea actually | Mar 06 00:09 |
| PetoKraus | i might try radeonhd | Mar 06 00:09 |
| PetoKraus | !!!!! | Mar 06 00:09 |
| wispygalaxy | instant on? wow! | Mar 06 00:09 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: what eats it all up (RAM)? | Mar 06 00:09 |
| PetoKraus | xorg | Mar 06 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Use diagnostics to get... OH | Mar 06 00:10 |
| schestowitz | xorg? | Mar 06 00:10 |
| PetoKraus | xorg | Mar 06 00:10 |
| schestowitz | How come? | Mar 06 00:10 |
| PetoKraus | the server | Mar 06 00:10 |
| PetoKraus | and if i use xrestop, it doesn't show anything | Mar 06 00:10 |
| PetoKraus | anything more than 3MB | Mar 06 00:10 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: so don't use x | Mar 06 00:10 |
| schestowitz | there are cli-based irc clients | Mar 06 00:10 |
| PetoKraus | :D | Mar 06 00:11 |
| schestowitz | and lynx | Mar 06 00:11 |
| PetoKraus | sure | Mar 06 00:11 |
| _Hicham_ | PetoKraus : what distribution is this? | Mar 06 00:11 |
| PetoKraus | Arch Linux | Mar 06 00:11 |
| PetoKraus | i'll be right back | Mar 06 00:11 |
| PetoKraus | with radeonhd | Mar 06 00:11 |
| wispygalaxy | is arch one of the fastest distros? | Mar 06 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | Seems likely | Mar 06 00:11 |
| schestowitz | There goes X down again? | Mar 06 00:11 |
| wispygalaxy | are you using red hat now roy? | Mar 06 00:11 |
| schestowitz | No. | Mar 06 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | I'd rather move to BLAG or Debian next | Mar 06 00:12 |
| wispygalaxy | what do you use | Mar 06 00:12 |
| schestowitz | But I also like Mand | Mar 06 00:12 |
| PetoKraus | there we go | Mar 06 00:12 |
| wispygalaxy | go for debian, duh ;) | Mar 06 00:12 |
| schestowitz | The sooner Microsoft goes the better | Mar 06 00:12 |
| _Hicham_ | roy, what are u using right now? | Mar 06 00:12 |
| schestowitz | If Mand and others can patiently wait for MS' Chapter 11, that'll be a boon for them | Mar 06 00:12 |
| PetoKraus | chapter 11? | Mar 06 00:12 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: mandriva 2008.1 mostly | Mar 06 00:12 |
| schestowitz | It's my second partition | Mar 06 00:12 |
| PetoKraus | that's bankrupcy? | Mar 06 00:12 |
| wispygalaxy | bankrupcy | Mar 06 00:12 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | They begged for bailout | Mar 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | It figures | Mar 06 00:13 |
| wispygalaxy | kmart filed for that | Mar 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | kmart can be acuired by kde | Mar 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | fits well | Mar 06 00:13 |
| wispygalaxy | haha! | Mar 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | *acquired | Mar 06 00:13 |
| wispygalaxy | kool | Mar 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Even KDE renamed apps | Mar 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | At least in the menus | Mar 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | KIMP | Mar 06 00:13 |
| wispygalaxy | kash register | Mar 06 00:13 |
| wispygalaxy | kosmetics aisle | Mar 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | KA-NOME | Mar 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Komo | Mar 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Mono.. | Mar 06 00:14 |
| Balrog | haha | Mar 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Kumo | Mar 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Kumo is a bad name | Mar 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Association of another Microsoft death | Mar 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Like Equipt, remember? | Mar 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Or SPOT watch? | Mar 06 00:14 |
| wispygalaxy | yep | Mar 06 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Flight Simulator....... RIP... bit bucket.. | Mar 06 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Did Microsoft buy Flight Simulatos? | Mar 06 00:15 |
| _Hicham_ | do u like everything being named with K in KDE? | Mar 06 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they wish there were never bought | Mar 06 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft shut down Enseble last year | Mar 06 00:15 |
| schestowitz | It f*ed over Bungie as well. | Mar 06 00:15 |
| wispygalaxy | i had flight simulator with win 3.1 | Mar 06 00:15 |
| schestowitz | *Ensembl;e | Mar 06 00:15 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's not good marketing | Mar 06 00:16 |
| wispygalaxy | i was so afraid of crashing in that game that i stayed far away from the ground | Mar 06 00:16 |
| schestowitz | I had migraines with Win 3.1 | Mar 06 00:16 |
| _Hicham_ | Qt is completely GPLed now | Mar 06 00:16 |
| wispygalaxy | heh mustard theme | Mar 06 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Seriously now... Windows 3.1 has Solitaire... maybe the only useful part in it | Mar 06 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Then there was THIRD-PART s/w. | Mar 06 00:16 |
| wispygalaxy | my dad loved that game | Mar 06 00:16 |
| wispygalaxy | solitaire | Mar 06 00:17 |
| schestowitz | *Party. That's why Microsoft still holds on to something | Mar 06 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Breaking standards and screwing over os/2 as well | Mar 06 00:17 |
| wispygalaxy | that sucks | Mar 06 00:17 |
| schestowitz | I need to do those exhibits sometimes | Mar 06 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you'll help me. | Mar 06 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Cock County Sues Craigslist Over Prostitution Ads < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160803/cook_coun... > | Mar 06 00:18 |
| wispygalaxy | ok we'll see what we can do, sounds cool | Mar 06 00:18 |
| wispygalaxy | cock county? lol | Mar 06 00:18 |
| schestowitz | That's how I read it first | Mar 06 00:19 |
| schestowitz | This one I read as : Microsoft Ditches Surface to New Markets < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160768/microsoft_p... > | Mar 06 00:19 |
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| Balrog | Flight Simulator ... that was one good MS product I used to use ... thew bought it back in the 80's and it got better until lately | Mar 06 00:21 |
| wispygalaxy | i hit restart by mistake haha | Mar 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: gone to Hispterville? | Mar 06 00:22 |
| Balrog | and now they cancel it :( | Mar 06 00:22 |
| wispygalaxy | i left the channel for a second | Mar 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: MS is in seriously deep mud | Mar 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Like Sun | Mar 06 00:22 |
| wispygalaxy | nope XD | Mar 06 00:22 |
| Balrog | wispygalaxy: any reason you're using mibbit? | Mar 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft had money to buy back stock | Mar 06 00:22 |
| wispygalaxy | my sis is a hipster, kinda | Mar 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | And it had power to corrupt | Mar 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | In the press and in DC | Mar 06 00:22 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: I know. It sucks for us, the users | Mar 06 00:22 |
| wispygalaxy | it's convenient lol | Mar 06 00:23 |
| Balrog | the good products die, the bad ones keep going | Mar 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | So people don't get told how seriously f*ed they are and they corrupt the system with stuff like patents | Mar 06 00:23 |
| Balrog | I use irssi via ssh | Mar 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Their new business model is like SCO's | Mar 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | But they needed to corrupt some systems for it | Mar 06 00:23 |
| wispygalaxy | cool balrog | Mar 06 00:23 |
| Balrog | though SCO was more blatant | Mar 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Including EPO and the India patents bureau | Mar 06 00:23 |
| wispygalaxy | sco is dead | Mar 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: hippie >> hipster | Mar 06 00:24 |
| Balrog | ??? | Mar 06 00:24 |
| Balrog | sco is pretty much dead | Mar 06 00:24 |
| wispygalaxy | hipsters are different in the usa | Mar 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it is | Mar 06 00:24 |
| wispygalaxy | they are kinda like punks, but more artsy | Mar 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Like Duke Nukem | Mar 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | It's there, somewhere | Mar 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | In abandonware | Mar 06 00:24 |
| wispygalaxy | haha DNF | Mar 06 00:24 |
| Balrog | what's the argument about hippies and hipsters? I don't subscribe to either ideology :P | Mar 06 00:25 |
| wispygalaxy | good haha | Mar 06 00:25 |
| wispygalaxy | hipsters try too hard | Mar 06 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Like yddgdrasil.. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c... | Mar 06 00:25 |
| wispygalaxy | high priced clothing and all | Mar 06 00:25 |
| schestowitz | "Driivng the economy" | Mar 06 00:26 |
| wispygalaxy | cool chart | Mar 06 00:26 |
| wispygalaxy | linux is a teen still | Mar 06 00:26 |
| schestowitz | "Hi, I'm a hipster... and I'm a Bee Cee (BC)" | Mar 06 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Joing the future... get gnu | Mar 06 00:27 |
| wispygalaxy | lmao | Mar 06 00:27 |
| wispygalaxy | my sis doesn't have a mac though | Mar 06 00:27 |
| Balrog | Yes I use Macs ... but I'm not a hippie or a hipster :P | Mar 06 00:27 |
| wispygalaxy | she has a toshiba like me | Mar 06 00:27 |
| Balrog | I've worked with Toshibas | Mar 06 00:27 |
| PetoKraus | apart from arch not being based on cru | Mar 06 00:27 |
| Balrog | the driver support sucks badly | Mar 06 00:27 |
| PetoKraus | *crux | Mar 06 00:27 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/up... | Mar 06 00:27 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah it does :( | Mar 06 00:27 |
| wispygalaxy | hp is easier to deal with' | Mar 06 00:28 |
| wispygalaxy | lol @ the pic | Mar 06 00:28 |
| PetoKraus | monoooooooooooooo | Mar 06 00:28 |
| Balrog | well Mac does emphasize proper engineering very highly ... yes there's still advertising | Mar 06 00:28 |
| wispygalaxy | i though you said moooo lol | Mar 06 00:28 |
| wispygalaxy | sry haha | Mar 06 00:28 |
| Balrog | but if you look at how the system is put together, it's quite organized | Mar 06 00:29 |
| wispygalaxy | have you made a hackintosh before | Mar 06 00:29 |
| Balrog | like the application / file package scheme ... works very well. No one else uses it | Mar 06 00:29 |
| Balrog | Yes, I have. Not very successful, as I don't have a Core2 system to play around with | Mar 06 00:30 |
| wispygalaxy | awesome :) | Mar 06 00:30 |
| wispygalaxy | at least you did it | Mar 06 00:30 |
| wispygalaxy | i couldn't do that now | Mar 06 00:30 |
| Balrog | Yeah. I had 10.4 working for a while | Mar 06 00:30 |
| Balrog | wispygalaxy: why not? | Mar 06 00:30 |
| wispygalaxy | not leet enough :( | Mar 06 00:30 |
| wispygalaxy | but you seem really smart balrog | Mar 06 00:31 |
| Balrog | that's what people say | Mar 06 00:31 |
| wispygalaxy | double major is a sign of that :) | Mar 06 00:31 |
| Balrog | but there's a lot I don't know | Mar 06 00:31 |
| Balrog | heh lol | Mar 06 00:31 |
| wispygalaxy | admitting that makes you appear wise | Mar 06 00:32 |
| wispygalaxy | they say people who arent smart overestimate themselves | Mar 06 00:32 |
| wispygalaxy | and say they know everything | Mar 06 00:32 |
| wispygalaxy | i learned that in psychology | Mar 06 00:32 |
| Balrog | like I don't know C ... I can read it and partially understand it, but I can't write in it | Mar 06 00:32 |
| wispygalaxy | the people who are intelligent know that they have shortcomings | Mar 06 00:32 |
| Balrog | heh ... know everything | Mar 06 00:33 |
| Balrog | lol | Mar 06 00:33 |
| wispygalaxy | know-it-alls haha | Mar 06 00:33 |
| Balrog | yeah | Mar 06 00:33 |
| wispygalaxy | linux is in c, right? | Mar 06 00:33 |
| Balrog | C and C++ | Mar 06 00:33 |
| wispygalaxy | the kernel i mean | Mar 06 00:33 |
| Balrog | yes | Mar 06 00:33 |
| wispygalaxy | cool | Mar 06 00:33 |
| wispygalaxy | gtk is C++ | Mar 06 00:33 |
| Balrog | I'd go with Qt though these days | Mar 06 00:34 |
| wispygalaxy | that's neat | Mar 06 00:34 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: shouldn't it be moooooooooooooooooono? I know bulls and gnus don't moo, but sitll... | Mar 06 00:34 |
| wispygalaxy | haha! | Mar 06 00:35 |
| Balrog | the Mac kernel is in C/C++, but apps are in this combination of C and Smalltalk (an object-oriented language originally used by Xerox for their PARC GUI stuff; somewhat like Java) called Objective-C | Mar 06 00:35 |
| Balrog | but that's just the GUI part | Mar 06 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | cool i didnt know that balrog | Mar 06 00:35 |
| Balrog | and there's a Qt library | Mar 06 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | convenient ;) | Mar 06 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | rofl, someone's computer in my dorm just said "you got mail" | Mar 06 00:35 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 06 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | really loudly | Mar 06 00:35 |
| Balrog | I hate AOL | Mar 06 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | i never used it thankfully lol | Mar 06 00:36 |
| Balrog | I use AIM, but they don't care for your account | Mar 06 00:36 |
| schestowitz | It used to be my mail notifier | Mar 06 00:36 |
| wispygalaxy | but i have used IM | Mar 06 00:36 |
| schestowitz | [When I was like 16] | Mar 06 00:36 |
| wispygalaxy | cool roy | Mar 06 00:36 |
| Balrog | my friends use IM, so I do too | Mar 06 00:36 |
| wispygalaxy | i havent used my IM account since 2005 | Mar 06 00:36 |
| wispygalaxy | i have gtalk | Mar 06 00:37 |
| Balrog | facebook IM is becoming more popular ... though the 'clients' for it are all hacks | Mar 06 00:37 |
| Balrog | ;P | Mar 06 00:37 |
| wispygalaxy | heh | Mar 06 00:37 |
| Balrog | they pretend to be a web browser and interact with the web page chat system | Mar 06 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Author claims political pressure behind cancellation of Stalin book < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/m... > Grrrrrr... | Mar 06 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Censorship. | Mar 06 00:37 |
| wispygalaxy | hiding the truth? | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | AOL AWOL | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: dunno, haven't read it yet | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | RMS linked to this | Mar 06 00:38 |
| wispygalaxy | really? cool | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-jan-apr.... " US financial companies spent 5 billion dollars on lobbying and political campaigns to procure the deregulation that allowed them to create the financial crisis. I don't see any sign that Obama wants to change the system which lets businesses control our so-called democracy. " | Mar 06 00:38 |
| wispygalaxy | thats interesting balrog | Mar 06 00:38 |
| Balrog | I'm not surprised. Russia is getting worse. :/ | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Only $5 billion? | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Hey, we could chip in too and counter that, right? | Mar 06 00:39 |
| wispygalaxy | lobbyists ugh | Mar 06 00:39 |
| schestowitz | That's many billions in pockets of corruptible 'Representatives' (of their families) | Mar 06 00:39 |
| wispygalaxy | i read supercapitalism, it talks all about lobbyists | Mar 06 00:39 |
| schestowitz | The system needs to be scraped | Mar 06 00:39 |
| schestowitz | London's the same BTW | Mar 06 00:39 |
| wispygalaxy | i want to go to london | Mar 06 00:40 |
| schestowitz | They tried to revive regulations last year (El Reg report) | Mar 06 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Too little, too late | Mar 06 00:40 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: what do you mean by 'the system'? | Mar 06 00:40 |
| schestowitz | The UK is in debt of $3 trillion. | Mar 06 00:40 |
| wispygalaxy | wow | Mar 06 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Time to work for the man (China) | Mar 06 00:40 |
| Balrog | the IS is in debt like 9 or 10 trillion | Mar 06 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: system=political system | Mar 06 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, I know "system" can mean all sorts of things | Mar 06 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Lessig has a project | Mar 06 00:40 |
| wispygalaxy | i though "the man" = RIAA | Mar 06 00:40 |
| wispygalaxy | ;) | Mar 06 00:40 |
| schestowitz | "Change Congress" | Mar 06 00:40 |
| Balrog | the current political system does not meet the ideals that were set over 200 years ago | Mar 06 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Made me sound there like Communista Anarchista talking about "the system".. | Mar 06 00:41 |
| Balrog | >90% of 'representatives' are lawyers ... does that 'represent' the population fairly? | Mar 06 00:41 |
| schestowitz | yes i know | Mar 06 00:41 |
| wispygalaxy | the consistution was made so that change could be incorporated | Mar 06 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Same in Europe | Mar 06 00:41 |
| schestowitz | British MPs = layers | Mar 06 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Sarko too | Mar 06 00:42 |
| Balrog | but the constitution isn't being followed | Mar 06 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Bush was in charge | Mar 06 00:42 |
| wispygalaxy | very sad :( | Mar 06 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Saving the country from the wrath of the Iraquis | Mar 06 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Scary | Mar 06 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Need MARSHALL | Mar 06 00:42 |
| wispygalaxy | we should respect ourselves more | Mar 06 00:42 |
| Balrog | and then you have these laws that are 100s or 1000s of pages ... how do you know what you're passing????? | Mar 06 00:42 |
| Balrog | come on | Mar 06 00:42 |
| wispygalaxy | my english teacher admitted in high school that he rarely reads contracts closely, he reads the first paragraph and signs it lol | Mar 06 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Brave Cowboy George survives the imaginary 'Lybian assassins' who chased him down in DC | Mar 06 00:43 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah i cant imagine reading 1000s pages | Mar 06 00:43 |
| Balrog | heh...if you SIGN something, you better read it | Mar 06 00:43 |
| wispygalaxy | he said whatever haha | Mar 06 00:43 |
| Balrog | and idk how click-to-agree license agreements can be enforced | Mar 06 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Today: MPAA Study Calls For Piracy Patriot Act < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/03/05... > | Mar 06 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Stop the sharers | Mar 06 00:44 |
| wispygalaxy | we talked about that in my business law class balrog | Mar 06 00:44 |
| schestowitz | They are killing pople | Mar 06 00:44 |
| schestowitz | They have guns and NU-ki-lar weapons | Mar 06 00:44 |
| wispygalaxy | there needs to be more done about sigs | Mar 06 00:44 |
| schestowitz | There's the Lisbon one | Mar 06 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Hold on... good video | Mar 06 00:45 |
| wispygalaxy | riaa is worse, imo | Mar 06 00:45 |
| wispygalaxy | with regards to freedom | Mar 06 00:45 |
| Balrog | we have the RIAA, the MPAA, and the BSA | Mar 06 00:45 |
| Balrog | among others | Mar 06 00:45 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/09/acta... | Mar 06 00:45 |
| Balrog | probably in that order | Mar 06 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Watch that first video about the length of the doc | Mar 06 00:45 |
| wispygalaxy | true balrog | Mar 06 00:45 |
| Balrog | and what about so-called 'abandonware'? | Mar 06 00:45 |
| schestowitz | BSA = Gates' friends | Mar 06 00:46 |
| schestowitz | There are family connections there | Mar 06 00:46 |
| schestowitz | How to beat FOSS? | Mar 06 00:46 |
| Balrog | yeah I hear stories....:/ | Mar 06 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Set up 'indpendent ' bodies | Mar 06 00:46 |
| wispygalaxy | abandonware games | Mar 06 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Write down some rules | Mar 06 00:46 |
| wispygalaxy | foss will win | Mar 06 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Pay billions to those 'bodies' (buddies) to shill and legalise them | Mar 06 00:46 |
| Balrog | the people I work for (sysadmins) are convinced that the BSA is with MS | Mar 06 00:46 |
| schestowitz | E.g. sw patents in EU | Mar 06 00:46 |
| schestowitz | That's white collar crimes | Mar 06 00:46 |
| schestowitz | But they believe they do it for the betterment of society\] | Mar 06 00:46 |
| Balrog | foss will probably have a big part...like 40% or more and it will be on every computer | Mar 06 00:47 |
| wispygalaxy | NOT | Mar 06 00:47 |
| schestowitz | I asked Zuck, "how do you sleep at night?" | Mar 06 00:47 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope so balrog | Mar 06 00:47 |
| schestowitz | "Think about what you're doing" | Mar 06 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Short or wrapping his house in toilet paper | Mar 06 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Or doing this: http://www.egg-attack.com/ | Mar 06 00:48 |
| Balrog | Macs already have a good bit of FOSS; Linux is taking the other part of the market (lower-cost, people who don't want macs, people who don't care, etc) | Mar 06 00:48 |
| wispygalaxy | my sister's friend's house was Toilet papered once | Mar 06 00:48 |
| wispygalaxy | one kid hated her | Mar 06 00:48 |
| *Balrog never heard of such things | Mar 06 00:48 | |
| wispygalaxy | so my sis had to help her clean it up, to be a good friend | Mar 06 00:48 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 06 00:49 |
| wispygalaxy | they got it cleaned up before the sun came up, whew | Mar 06 00:49 |
| wispygalaxy | my dad saw it when he came home late from work, they immediately started cleaning it up | Mar 06 00:50 |
| wispygalaxy | my dorm was TP'd too this year haha | Mar 06 00:50 |
| Balrog | that's not stuff I heard about before | Mar 06 00:50 |
| wispygalaxy | not my room, the outside i mean | Mar 06 00:50 |
| wispygalaxy | trees | Mar 06 00:51 |
| Balrog | oh | Mar 06 00:51 |
| wispygalaxy | it was for halloween | Mar 06 00:51 |
| Balrog | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/0... | Mar 06 00:51 |
| Balrog | UAC is broken badly | Mar 06 00:51 |
| schestowitz | In BN | Mar 06 00:51 |
| Balrog | ?? | Mar 06 00:52 |
| Balrog | and | Mar 06 00:52 |
| Balrog | http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/... | Mar 06 00:52 |
| wispygalaxy | good links, balrog | Mar 06 00:53 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm playing the egg attack game now XD | Mar 06 00:54 |
| schestowitz | I've just realised that Microsoft named a filesystem after its CEO | Mar 06 00:54 |
| Balrog | which one? | Mar 06 00:54 |
| wispygalaxy | FAT | Mar 06 00:54 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 06 00:54 |
| wispygalaxy | rofl roy | Mar 06 00:55 |
| Balrog | gates? | Mar 06 00:55 |
| Balrog | doesn't sound right | Mar 06 00:55 |
| schestowitz | They didn't invest Perl | Mar 06 00:55 |
| Balrog | gates != FAT | Mar 06 00:55 |
| schestowitz | For Pearly gates | Mar 06 00:55 |
| wispygalaxy | i thought ballmer | Mar 06 00:55 |
| Balrog | ballmer is only now their ceo | Mar 06 00:55 |
| Balrog | when fat appeared, gates was the ceo | Mar 06 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Linux made two projects | Mar 06 00:55 |
| wispygalaxy | it still fits haha | Mar 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Both are named after him | Mar 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | *Linus | Mar 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Linux, Git | Mar 06 00:56 |
| Balrog | yeah lol | Mar 06 00:56 |
| wispygalaxy | lol | Mar 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | British slang | Mar 06 00:56 |
| Balrog | I read about it | Mar 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | I knew Ballmer/FAT was all about patents | Mar 06 00:57 |
| schestowitz | "Cancer" this, "cancel" that | Mar 06 00:57 |
| wispygalaxy | hah | Mar 06 00:57 |
| Balrog | but how can you enforce a patent after 14 years? | Mar 06 00:57 |
| Balrog | well, Unisys did it with GIF | Mar 06 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Cancer.NET, cancel Flight Simulator | Mar 06 00:57 |
| Balrog | see what has happened to GIF today | Mar 06 00:57 |
| Balrog | yeah, Flight Simulator ... the quite-large community is very upset | Mar 06 00:58 |
| wispygalaxy | i have to go guys, talk to you soon! | Mar 06 00:58 |
| Balrog | many are switching to mac / linux | Mar 06 00:58 |
| Balrog | talk later :) | Mar 06 00:58 |
| wispygalaxy | take care balrog! | Mar 06 00:58 |
| Balrog | yeah ... | Mar 06 00:59 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll see you later, roy! ;) | Mar 06 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | Vista vulnerabilities March on < http://www.itwire.com/content... > | Mar 06 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, hold on. | Mar 06 01:02 |
| schestowitz | I posted about this recently. | Mar 06 01:02 |
| schestowitz | The open source subs are taking off (pun) | Mar 06 01:02 |
| Balrog | the open-source flight simulator is nowhere near the other available stuff | Mar 06 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Here. The mother load: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu... | Mar 06 01:02 |
| Balrog | which is a $50 product from an independent developer anyway | Mar 06 01:03 |
| Balrog | (scenery costs money to produce) | Mar 06 01:03 |
| Balrog | keep that in mind ... it's not exactly 'software' | Mar 06 01:03 |
| Balrog | The Qt SDK does NOT support Visual Studio :) | Mar 06 01:04 |
| Balrog | (there's a beta addin though ) | Mar 06 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Mar 06 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hates VS addons | Mar 06 01:06 |
| Balrog | sure they do | Mar 06 01:06 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you may have heard the banned MVP story | Mar 06 01:06 |
| Balrog | explain | Mar 06 01:07 |
| schestowitz | How dare he add value to VS | Mar 06 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Wait.. | Mar 06 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Found it. Read this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/20/wi... | Mar 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | You'll see there what I'm referring to | Mar 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft threatens its Most Valuable Professional" | Mar 06 01:08 |
| Balrog | I see. | Mar 06 01:10 |
| Balrog | what do you think of the LLVM / Clang project? | Mar 06 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Weird... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/34842 | Mar 06 01:12 |
| schestowitz | This got pulled | Mar 06 01:12 |
| schestowitz | To keep eye on (needs post tomorrow morning): rosoft patent protection pacts | Mar 06 01:16 |
| schestowitz | * http://blogs.computerworld.com/linux_compa... | Mar 06 01:16 |
| Balrog | it was moved: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/communi... | Mar 06 01:18 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: got it? | Mar 06 01:19 |
| Balrog | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n... | Mar 06 01:20 |
| Balrog | "A group at the University of Washington also showed how simple it was to attract bogus infringement notices; even a network-attached printer was identified as a culprit." | Mar 06 01:20 |
| Balrog | hehe | Mar 06 01:20 |
| Balrog | interesting ... there was one MS MVP who reverse engineered flight simulator code to add hooks for external apps | Mar 06 01:25 |
| Balrog | MS didn't complain | Mar 06 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu or Xubuntu? It’s getting harder to choose < http://www.procrasticfantastic.com/u... > | Mar 06 01:26 |
| Balrog | go with Kubuntu | Mar 06 01:26 |
| Balrog | KDE4.2 is great | Mar 06 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Printer 'pirating'? | Mar 06 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Put an eye patch and hood on it | Mar 06 01:27 |
| Balrog | yeah | Mar 06 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Paint a frown on it | Mar 06 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: not /my/ question, blog title there. | Mar 06 01:27 |
| Balrog | though NAS 'pirating' is sure possible :) | Mar 06 01:28 |
| Balrog | yeah I know | Mar 06 01:28 |
| schestowitz | I see that Matt Lee wrote him | Mar 06 01:28 |
| schestowitz | I know him and met him. | Mar 06 01:28 |
| schestowitz | You could DDOS the MAFIAA like this | Mar 06 01:29 |
| Balrog | wrote whom? | Mar 06 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Set up things that are mock copyrighted content | Mar 06 01:29 |
| Balrog | yeah :P | Mar 06 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Auhomate the processes | Mar 06 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Flood their detection system | Mar 06 01:30 |
| Balrog | they do that on the torrent sites ... make a bogus torrent, encrypt it | Mar 06 01:30 |
| schestowitz | The problem with these rules is that whole familities will get disconnected over disputed to do with legal stuff | Mar 06 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Like torrenting an issue of a Linux mag | Mar 06 01:30 |
| Balrog | you spend hours downloading it, then find out it's 0's | Mar 06 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Good luck wasting hours on the phone retracting the "first strike" | Mar 06 01:30 |
| Balrog | yeah :/ | Mar 06 01:30 |
| Balrog | or Qt 4.5 | Mar 06 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Most people won't bother | Mar 06 01:30 |
| schestowitz | When 3rd hits they'll say "why didn't you complain the first time?" | Mar 06 01:31 |
| Balrog | yeah | Mar 06 01:31 |
| schestowitz | "To speak to an operator, please press 5.... hold on while we dead with other 'stikes' [music plays like an elevator]" | Mar 06 01:31 |
| Balrog | where's the proof? innocent BEFORE proven guilty, right????? | Mar 06 01:31 |
| schestowitz | *deal with other 'strikes' | Mar 06 01:31 |
| Balrog | use a blocklist / peerguardian to begin with | Mar 06 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Not good for MAFIAA | Mar 06 01:32 |
| schestowitz | They own the Web | Mar 06 01:32 |
| schestowitz | First they shoot | Mar 06 01:32 |
| schestowitz | But /SOME/ people /MIGHT/ use it just to do legit stuff... like me | Mar 06 01:32 |
| schestowitz | How dare I use their Interwebs? | Mar 06 01:32 |
| Balrog | yeah. | Mar 06 01:32 |
| schestowitz | How long I haven't used this wallpaper: http://www.detector-pro.com/2009/03/linux-tip-ho... | Mar 06 01:33 |
| schestowitz | "I'm still sticking with KDE 4.2.0 as my everyday desktop and enjoying most of it though:)" http://home.coming.dk/index.php/2009/03... | Mar 06 01:33 |
| Balrog | he should update to 4.2.1 | Mar 06 01:34 |
| Balrog | I can't use KDE4.2 because of the old nvidia driver that requires Xorg 1.4 | Mar 06 01:34 |
| Balrog | KDE4.2 requires Xorg 1.5 | Mar 06 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Microsoft Office for netbooks being prepared < http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/appl... >. They move to an advertising model now? | Mar 06 01:36 |
| schestowitz | They are killing themselves | Mar 06 01:36 |
| Balrog | advertising is no replacement for a good product | Mar 06 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Giving their stuff away for free due to SAAS/FOSS (Google/OOo) | Mar 06 01:37 |
| schestowitz | That's not a steady business model for the VOle | Mar 06 01:37 |
| Balrog | with a bad product, advertising won't help | Mar 06 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Advertising in office I mean | Mar 06 01:37 |
| schestowitz | I read about it earlier | Mar 06 01:37 |
| schestowitz | I think they want to embed ads | Mar 06 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Like in Works | Mar 06 01:37 |
| Balrog | ew. | Mar 06 01:38 |
| Balrog | making it adware | Mar 06 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 06 01:39 |
| schestowitz | OOo was heading the same way | Mar 06 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Maybe still is | Mar 06 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Jonathan Schwartz went defensive | Mar 06 01:39 |
| Balrog | I don't think it is | Mar 06 01:39 |
| schestowitz | And Go-OO won't allow that to happen | Mar 06 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Mitchell Baker has a curious hairstyle: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/03/... | Mar 06 01:40 |
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| schestowitz | Firefox 3.0.7 security and stability release now available < https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.p... > | Mar 06 01:41 |
| schestowitz | A Better Solitaire. < http://www.oneclicklinux.com/2009/03/... >. Party in Linux like you're a Microsoft-certified Solitaire Engineer | Mar 06 01:41 |
| Balrog | who runs Go-OO? | Mar 06 01:43 |
| balzac | What a bad opening sentence in that article: Firefox has long been the Burger King to er's McDonalds | Mar 06 01:45 |
| balzac | my pasted string got mangled | Mar 06 01:45 |
| balzac | Firefox has long been the Burger King to Internet Explorer’s McDonald’s. | Mar 06 01:46 |
| balzac | Internet Explorer is more like a Big Mac made with bovine estrogen and other hormones, farmer's anti-biotics, bovine spongiform encephalitis, and a percentage of fecal content. | Mar 06 01:48 |
| balzac | Firefox is more like a burger made from organic farming methods, perhaps even an organic vegan burger. | Mar 06 01:49 |
| Balrog | well not fully | Mar 06 01:50 |
| Balrog | there's the name thing | Mar 06 01:50 |
| Balrog | firefox / iceweasel | Mar 06 01:50 |
| balzac | are you referring to FF trademarking? | Mar 06 01:53 |
| Balrog | yes | Mar 06 01:54 |
| balzac | I'm not very familiar with that discussion | Mar 06 01:54 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft goons are crapping out libel again | Mar 06 01:56 |
| schestowitz | That old 'plant' of theirs | Mar 06 01:57 |
| schestowitz | C.O.L.A. is a mess. Hundreds of times they've posted (and planted 'on my behalf') stories about me changing sexes and molesting children etc etc. Schmidt was right about the Internet becoming a "cesspool". I worry there's no easy solution. | Mar 06 01:59 |
| Balrog | hrrm | Mar 06 02:00 |
| Balrog | C.O.L.A? | Mar 06 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 06 02:01 |
| schestowitz | USENET | Mar 06 02:01 |
| Balrog | who are they? | Mar 06 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Munchkins | Mar 06 02:01 |
| schestowitz | I killfile them | Mar 06 02:02 |
| schestowitz | Time wasters | Mar 06 02:02 |
| Balrog | usenet is known for that | Mar 06 02:02 |
| schestowitz | They achieve the very opposite of what they try.. | Mar 06 02:02 |
| schestowitz | Rather than demote, their constant attack draw attention. | Mar 06 02:02 |
| schestowitz | They sometimes just point to things that I write | Mar 06 02:02 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 06 02:03 |
| schestowitz | They give more exposure but maybe they can't help it. If they were wise, they'd ignore | Mar 06 02:03 |
| Balrog | heh yeah | Mar 06 02:04 |
| schestowitz | It's like free publicity, not that I'd read their junk | Mar 06 02:05 |
| Balrog | I don't even use usenet | Mar 06 02:05 |
| schestowitz | By choosing nonsensical attacks like "sex change" they arouse immediate realisation that it's just a lie | Mar 06 02:05 |
| Balrog | obviously | Mar 06 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Eventually people just check for the truth, come to my site or whatever... so what have the trolls aschieved with their libel? Streisand effect. | Mar 06 02:06 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 06 02:06 |
| Balrog | that's how it works | Mar 06 02:06 |
| the trolls were trying to make you quit, Roy. | Mar 06 02:08 | |
| they wanted your work to be so unpleasant that no normal person would bother. | Mar 06 02:08 | |
| boy did they get that wrong, ha ha. | Mar 06 02:08 | |
| Balrog | that's the type of troll that's an idiot | Mar 06 02:08 |
| Balrog | that's been shown through history | Mar 06 02:08 |
| schestowitz | Could be worse. | Mar 06 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Like Ken's | Mar 06 02:09 |
| no, the attacks can be effective. | Mar 06 02:09 | |
| schestowitz | They attacked himphysically | Mar 06 02:09 |
| Ken who? | Mar 06 02:09 | |
| schestowitz | And it makes him even /more/ respected. | Mar 06 02:09 |
| Balrog | certain ones can | Mar 06 02:09 |
| schestowitz | twitter: you didn't hear | Mar 06 02:09 |
| schestowitz | See BN | Mar 06 02:09 |
| Balrog | but a few people will go to the site to see what's up | Mar 06 02:10 |
| I've been trying to get a few things done. Missed the news | Mar 06 02:10 | |
| Balrog | I didn't see it | Mar 06 02:10 |
| schestowitz | ignore, laught, attack (patents), physical attack, lose | Mar 06 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, indiana | Mar 06 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: it's the post with a photo of an angry kid | Mar 06 02:10 |
| schestowitz | tessier contibuted the second story | Mar 06 02:11 |
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| Balrog | I see. | Mar 06 02:12 |
| a lot of tempers are short lately. The M$ people deserve what they get though. For decades they have smugly sat on the "popularity" of their crap and bullied everyone else. | Mar 06 02:13 | |
| It's hard to tell if the attack on Ken was random or planned. | Mar 06 02:13 | |
| bullies, sooner or later, resort to real violence | Mar 06 02:13 | |
| I was trying to tell Balrog that the verbal attacks can be effective, even if they are crazy. Try explaining the nonsense to your family. | Mar 06 02:14 | |
| Balrog | of course they are effective | Mar 06 02:15 |
| Balrog | in the short term | Mar 06 02:15 |
| It takes a very special and principled family to back someone like Roy in the face of that kind of abuse against the weight of the Wintel press and the M$ monopoly. | Mar 06 02:15 | |
| Most people look to "practical" matters, such as the stink such attacks can put on a job search. | Mar 06 02:18 | |
| Balrog | Try tracing me with 'Balrog' | Mar 06 02:18 |
| Balrog | good luck :p | Mar 06 02:18 |
| Unless you are using TOR, your ISP knows who you are and so do M$ and the other bad guys. | Mar 06 02:19 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, they leak it | Mar 06 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Its goons are anyway | Mar 06 02:20 |
| schestowitz | In USENET | Mar 06 02:20 |
| Balrog | Sure they do. | Mar 06 02:20 |
| schestowitz | It's a form of intimidation | Mar 06 02:20 |
| schestowitz | There's no anonymity, not even with TOR | Mar 06 02:20 |
| So, you only conceal yourself from friends and would be employers. | Mar 06 02:20 | |
| schestowitz | Determined people need only query once | Mar 06 02:20 |
| schestowitz | This was discused here in IRC over 6 months ago | Mar 06 02:20 |
| schestowitz | http://bil-gates.blogspot.com/ “Gates met Noorda briefly in San Francisco to discuss the merger […] before the merger could go forward, he said Novell had to drop its plans to buy Digital Research. […] " | Mar 06 02:21 |
| Balrog | what would help is stripping hostnames from IRC logs | Mar 06 02:22 |
| schestowitz | "when Noorda raised the possibility that the Justice Department might try to block a merger between the first and third biggest software companies on the planet, Gates responded, “Don’t worry, we know how to handle the federal government.” […] Gates denied every saying such a thing”" | Mar 06 02:22 |
| If everyone used TOR and other privacy protecting software, anonymity might be real. | Mar 06 02:22 | |
| Balrog | TOR is slow. | Mar 06 02:22 |
| Balrog | too slow for practical use | Mar 06 02:22 |
| Balrog | :( | Mar 06 02:22 |
| schestowitz | In germany they cracked down on TOR | Mar 06 02:22 |
| It would be faster if more people used it. | Mar 06 02:22 | |
| It should be against the law to interfere with communications like that. | Mar 06 02:23 | |
| Balrog | I'm using a difficult-to-trace univ. network connection anyway | Mar 06 02:23 |
| University networks are now some of the most monitored. | Mar 06 02:23 | |
| Balrog | depends on how it's connected | Mar 06 02:23 |
| The bad guys will know who you are and harass you. | Mar 06 02:24 | |
| This should only make you fight harder. | Mar 06 02:24 | |
| Balrog | they'd have to find out | Mar 06 02:24 |
| Balrog | not very easy in this situation... | Mar 06 02:24 |
| Balrog | though if there were real reasons, they could find out (ie subpoena) | Mar 06 02:24 |
| Balrog | I'll be around later | Mar 06 02:25 |
| they don't need one of those, they just need a friend and they have plenty of idiots willing to help | Mar 06 02:25 | |
| Just know what you are getting into. If you are successful at converting people or are well published, they will find you out and take whatever actions they can. | Mar 06 02:27 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, they need an ISP to give them a snoop | Mar 06 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Telecoms do this all the time | Mar 06 02:28 |
| schestowitz | These are just kids on the phones. | Mar 06 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Even politicians are more corruptible. | Mar 06 02:29 |
| schestowitz | People think of 'laws' and 'rules' as something that will prevent people from having fun with DBs | Mar 06 02:29 |
| balzac | ls | Mar 06 02:31 |
| balzac | oops | Mar 06 02:31 |
| Looks like a random encounter, but the water was poisoned with lots of hate, -> Memos" had been circulated amongst the management teams, giving advice and training on how best to deal with the "Open Source Threat" | Mar 06 02:33 | |
| LOL, "We schedule a technician visit for six months in the future with every home visit. Both they and we know their registries and computers will be messed up again by then." | Mar 06 02:35 | |
| schestowitz | Balrog: could be worse. Balrog once typed in a password into IRC | Mar 06 02:37 |
| schestowitz | cd /home/roy/stash | Mar 06 02:37 |
| schestowitz | oops | Mar 06 02:37 |
| balzac | that would suck | Mar 06 02:43 |
| nah, just find a new one. | Mar 06 02:44 | |
| My favorite method is going away with my books though. | Mar 06 02:46 | |
| I like to make up passwords from highlighted sentences in reference books. Remember the phrase and the password soon passes into muscle memory. | Mar 06 02:47 | |
| Ouch, a good comment, " when it gets physical, you know the other side has run out of rational arguments. They can no longer hide the fact that the broken window fallacy is just that. Essentially, you're living proof these people are parasites. Of course they can't stand you." | Mar 06 02:48 | |
| balzac | i'm really pissed just now | Mar 06 02:51 |
| balzac | I found out I obliterated a file that took me a long time to make | Mar 06 02:51 |
| schestowitz | No backup? | Mar 06 02:55 |
| balzac | nope | Mar 06 02:55 |
| balzac | oh well, it'll be easier the second time... god damn it | Mar 06 02:55 |
| balzac | This moron client has been on my back | Mar 06 02:55 |
| balzac | so I've been under extra stress | Mar 06 02:56 |
| balzac | well, the part I deleted won't be too hard to re-create | Mar 06 02:57 |
| balzac | But I didn't plan to spend my evening working on it | Mar 06 02:59 |
| balzac | Yesterday, i was fantasizing of filling a sock with dirt to hit the client over the head with.. | Mar 06 03:00 |
| schestowitz | gn | Mar 06 03:00 |
| balzac | night | Mar 06 03:00 |
| balzac | that would be a very long password | Mar 06 03:36 |
| balzac | twitter: | Mar 06 03:36 |
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| schestowitz | Morning | Mar 06 09:21 |
| PetoKraus | zorg | Mar 06 09:29 |
| PetoKraus | http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13662 | Mar 06 09:30 |
| MinceR | Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg? | Mar 06 09:35 |
| PetoKraus | maybe | Mar 06 09:36 |
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| green999 | The anti-competitive and predatory antitrust problems with the browser market have dragged on for what's getting to be close to two decades. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| green999 | The EU has picked up where the bush junta dropped the ball. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| green999 | mib_vmjz3y | Mar 06 10:02 |
| green999 | http://www.networkcomputing.in/News-02... | Mar 06 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Mar 06 10:03 |
| green999 | Where are the authoritative complaint and finding-of-fact materials for the EU case posted? | Mar 06 10:03 |
| schestowitz | I don't know | Mar 06 10:03 |
| schestowitz | They make press release | Mar 06 10:03 |
| schestowitz | *ases | Mar 06 10:03 |
| oiaohm | EU stopped monitering on MS. | Mar 06 10:03 |
| schestowitz | *releases | Mar 06 10:03 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not exactly. | Mar 06 10:04 |
| schestowitz | They just laid off (sort of) a full-time watchers | Mar 06 10:04 |
| schestowitz | *watcher | Mar 06 10:04 |
| oiaohm | Now that either means they trust them or they trust that nature will take it course. | Mar 06 10:04 |
| schestowitz | They still have cases | Mar 06 10:04 |
| green999 | oiaohm: the cessation of oversight is a problem | Mar 06 10:04 |
| green999 | the decision to do so seems out of order | Mar 06 10:04 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Mar 06 10:04 |
| green999 | and that hints at 'irregularities' | Mar 06 10:05 |
| oiaohm | MS is not what you call running well at the moment. | Mar 06 10:05 |
| green999 | anyway, are there publicly available anti-trust documents for the EU cases? | Mar 06 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Regulater might block MS from self kicking themselves in the nuts. | Mar 06 10:05 |
| green999 | MS has been running on fumes since 1998, | Mar 06 10:05 |
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| green999 | Bill saw the light at the end of the tunnel and had the sense to notice that it was a train. | Mar 06 10:06 |
| green999 | Ballmer's job was probably to ride the collapsing behemoth into the dirt. | Mar 06 10:06 |
| green999 | SCO provided a windfall to allow pump-n-dump for more years | Mar 06 10:06 |
| green999 | than expected | Mar 06 10:06 |
| oiaohm | XP was a MS high point. | Mar 06 10:07 |
| oiaohm | Selling a product to people who don't own computers was a great marketing. | Mar 06 10:07 |
| green999 | 2000 (aka NT5) was, XP sucked, XP SP2 sucked worse | Mar 06 10:07 |
| green999 | go reread the complaints | Mar 06 10:07 |
| green999 | in the old rags | Mar 06 10:08 |
| green999 | not marketing, but rather racketeering | Mar 06 10:08 |
| schestowitz | green999: agreed | Mar 06 10:08 |
| schestowitz | I reckon the cronies Mcirosoft spread might have something to do with it | Mar 06 10:08 |
| schestowitz | They have been spreading lobbyists around the EU rule. | Mar 06 10:09 |
| green999 | s: likely, they are. so when the dust settles, their actions need to be taken into account. | Mar 06 10:09 |
| green999 | a lot of member states are kicking out the communists (MS) again | Mar 06 10:09 |
| green999 | in some cases for the third or fourth time in as many generations | Mar 06 10:09 |
| green999 | some were 'useful idiots' others were agitators | Mar 06 10:10 |
| schestowitz | There's a story about the UK and CR coming | Mar 06 10:10 |
| schestowitz | They are still resorting to corruption | Mar 06 10:10 |
| schestowitz | They fund the country leaders | Mar 06 10:10 |
| green999 | what I see now in some areas, in particular where M$ products are on the way out, is a scorched earth policy | Mar 06 10:10 |
| schestowitz | This should be illegal | Mar 06 10:10 |
| green999 | s: yes, fund the leaders, also fund the 'assistants' to the leaders | Mar 06 10:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 06 10:11 |
| schestowitz | CIOs and all | Mar 06 10:11 |
| green999 | this one has gone missing: | Mar 06 10:11 |
| green999 | http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cach... | Mar 06 10:11 |
| schestowitz | But how can this be countered/ | Mar 06 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Opensource also works on a scorched earth policy | Mar 06 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Sun learnt that one. | Mar 06 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Pushs price that low that no closed source can live once good enough. | Mar 06 10:12 |
| green999 | o: not so much, the fifth columnists are going for th 5-year contracts now, and involving formats and protocols like never before | Mar 06 10:12 |
| green999 | you'll find a lot of places that are using fewer internet protocols than before. | Mar 06 10:12 |
| oiaohm | Really did you need that many protocals. | Mar 06 10:13 |
| green999 | much of the economic down turn can be tracked back to the harmful practices and inefficiences brought on by use of MS products | Mar 06 10:13 |
| green999 | o: are you trolling? DNS is rather important, it's one of the protocols disappearing from MS shops | Mar 06 10:13 |
| green999 | IMAPS and POP were early casulties | Mar 06 10:14 |
| oiaohm | try running ADS without DNS | Mar 06 10:14 |
| green999 | hard to say about SMTP, it seems also to be on the way out from MS shops - if there is an opportunity | Mar 06 10:14 |
| oiaohm | It don't work. | Mar 06 10:14 |
| green999 | Who are you trying to kid. ADS don't work. | Mar 06 10:14 |
| green999 | period | Mar 06 10:14 |
| oiaohm | ADS does kinda work after some major patching. | Mar 06 10:15 |
| green999 | This anti-trust document is also missing: | Mar 06 10:15 |
| green999 | http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleas... | Mar 06 10:15 |
| *schestowitz looks | Mar 06 10:17 | |
| schestowitz | Should we make a copy from cache? | Mar 06 10:18 |
| schestowitz | I personally think Microsoft poisoned EU panels | Mar 06 10:18 |
| schestowitz | It sure seems like we could find many cronies inside | Mar 06 10:18 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft is known well for doing this type of things. | Mar 06 10:18 |
| green999 | it would be useful to post the membership if there are links to MS | Mar 06 10:19 |
| green999 | Finding nothing about browser antitrust in EUR-Lex: | Mar 06 10:20 |
| green999 | http://eur-lex.europa.eu/RE... | Mar 06 10:20 |
| schestowitz | Can you find out names and connections? | Mar 06 10:22 |
| schestowitz | Also, how can these people be tossed? | Mar 06 10:22 |
| green999 | s: looks like more committee stacking: http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar... | Mar 06 10:22 |
| schestowitz | The more there are of them inside, the more protection they get from within | Mar 06 10:22 |
| schestowitz | It's like ISO... | Mar 06 10:22 |
| green999 | Or google | Mar 06 10:22 |
| green999 | Or yahoo | Mar 06 10:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Mar 06 10:24 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft influence | Mar 06 10:25 |
| schestowitz | They think they are the "Good Guys" | Mar 06 10:25 |
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| schestowitz | Serving a "philanthropist" | Mar 06 10:25 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: are you seeing what I am the blance of positive review of Linux are up compared to negetive compared to 6 months ago? | Mar 06 10:25 |
| schestowitz | I don't follow | Mar 06 10:25 |
| green999 | I doubt that they consider themselves good, many of the internal documents show that the compare themselves to villains | Mar 06 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Epp | Mar 06 10:26 |
| green999 | and follow a 'jihad' against all non-believers | Mar 06 10:26 |
| green999 | turning technology decisions into matters of "faith" | Mar 06 10:26 |
| green999 | junk science legacy perhaps | Mar 06 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Sorry there seams to be lot more postive reviews for Linux and less negetive reviews compared to 6 months ago. | Mar 06 10:27 |
| oiaohm | My english went south on that one line. | Mar 06 10:27 |
| MinceR | the ones doing the original "jihad" believe themselves to be good, too | Mar 06 10:27 |
| green999 | o: I'm still seeing a lot of 'damning through faint praise' and/or peddling of msftified distros (that don't need to be mentioned) | Mar 06 10:27 |
| schestowitz | green999: yes, they compare themselves to villains | Mar 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Or warriors ("war") | Mar 06 10:29 |
| green999 | very much villains | Mar 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Abramoff, Gates Senior's buddy, recited Godfather stuff. | Mar 06 10:29 |
| oiaohm | MS has always had a War footing. | Mar 06 10:29 |
| green999 | it's hard to find a group that has caused more economic harm | Mar 06 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Gates started the company on that footing. | Mar 06 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Win at any cost. | Mar 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: abosolutely | Mar 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Linux gets very good reviews recently. | Mar 06 10:30 |
| green999 | gates started on his mom's footing | Mar 06 10:30 |
| green999 | and on IBMs monopoly | Mar 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | The distributions are in good shape | Mar 06 10:30 |
| green999 | The distros are very good, | Mar 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | KDE 4.2, Debian Lenny, etc. | Mar 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Fedora 10 looking good.. | Mar 06 10:30 |
| green999 | but keep in mind that fedora and debian, whether you use them or not are important investments | Mar 06 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is busy trying to illegalise these | Mar 06 10:31 |
| schestowitz | SFLC is hiring another lawyer now | Mar 06 10:31 |
| schestowitz | I have some angry posts coming | Mar 06 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Mcirosoft corruptions (more of it) | Mar 06 10:31 |
| green999 | solaris10 not so good, I'll have to check out Solaris/Debian (nexenta) | Mar 06 10:31 |
| schestowitz | I saw some articles about it yesterday | Mar 06 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Are you "needs sunlight"? | Mar 06 10:32 |
| green999 | corruptions and perhaps a heavy dose of petty vindictiveness behind office 2007 deployments | Mar 06 10:32 |
| schestowitz | The lockinware | Mar 06 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Most people I know who use 2007 are sooner or latter driven nuts by it. | Mar 06 10:33 |
| schestowitz | But they'll give Office for free soon | Mar 06 10:33 |
| schestowitz | They already do to an extent | Mar 06 10:33 |
| schestowitz | They lose the battle over office suites too | Mar 06 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Reason who had the dumb idea to automatically change buttons displayed. | Mar 06 10:33 |
| schestowitz | WIndows is alreadt a freebie where Linux reigns | Mar 06 10:33 |
| green999 | they've been giving away office at "greater than" 90 percent discouts for a long time now | Mar 06 10:33 |
| oiaohm | MS Office + Adware | Mar 06 10:34 |
| oiaohm | How long before some ISP works out how to swap the MS addware with there own. | Mar 06 10:34 |
| green999 | o: according to the patents acquired windows+adware | Mar 06 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Adware has prior art | Mar 06 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Even OS embeded addware | Mar 06 10:35 |
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| oiaohm | The bad bit the prior art is a virus. | Mar 06 10:35 |
| vida18 | http://blogs.computerworld.com/linux_co... | Mar 06 10:36 |
| oiaohm | That makes MS losing patent case at risk of damage | Mar 06 10:37 |
| schestowitz | vida18: yes, I know. | Mar 06 10:37 |
| schestowitz | I will write about this later | Mar 06 10:37 |
| oiaohm | If the patent is proven 100 percent invalid in a court of law. MS could go for taking money under false pretences. | Mar 06 10:38 |
| green999 | o: last I heard at a conference regarding sw patents, it takes years to overturn just one | Mar 06 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Depends | Mar 06 10:39 |
| green999 | and even then at a cost of (back then) over 4 million dollars per patent | Mar 06 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Do you go threw the review process. | Mar 06 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Or do you go threw the legal process. | Mar 06 10:39 |
| green999 | USPTO gets paid by volume not by quality | Mar 06 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Legal process can be over quite quicky. | Mar 06 10:40 |
| green999 | say for the sake of argument you can shoot one down with 4 billable hours | Mar 06 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Legal process needs a trigger and normally less than 6 months to invalidate. | Mar 06 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie some company has to be dumb enough to try to enforce there patents on someone who will not take it. | Mar 06 10:41 |
| green999 | 4 x 5000 = 20000 hours @ 400/hour = 8 000 000 | Mar 06 10:41 |
| green999 | they don't have to enforce, just threaten litigation | Mar 06 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Threaten litigation is enough. | Mar 06 10:41 |
| oiaohm | If they say what patent is involved. | Mar 06 10:41 |
| green999 | the company executives will scuttle off to the bank with their tails between their legs so fast you'll hear a sonic boom | Mar 06 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the company. | Mar 06 10:42 |
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| oiaohm | Redhat has a pure challage patent policy. | Mar 06 10:42 |
| green999 | and the company's budget | Mar 06 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Once proved valid then they will pay. | Mar 06 10:42 |
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| green999 | o: no, once they run out of money for defence they will pay | Mar 06 10:43 |
| _Hicham_ | Hi All | Mar 06 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Legally they can demard that if someone tries to enforce a patent as well in a court of law. | Mar 06 10:43 |
| green999 | there's a difference ;) | Mar 06 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough its patent holder in Redhat cases who have had to prove that there was no existing prior art. | Mar 06 10:43 |
| green999 | can't prove a negative, go back to 10th grade ;) | Mar 06 10:43 |
| _Hicham_ | who is claiming patents over redhat? | Mar 06 10:43 |
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| oiaohm | Past cases _Hicham_ | Mar 06 10:44 |
| _Hicham_ | ok | Mar 06 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Most companies don't dare try any more. | Mar 06 10:44 |
| _Hicham_ | no company can sue RedHat | Mar 06 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Its too god darn expensive to try to make Redhat pay up. | Mar 06 10:44 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a sacred company | Mar 06 10:44 |
| schestowitz | green999: Microsoft is dying: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_... | Mar 06 10:45 |
| _Hicham_ | it always got its job well done | Mar 06 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Redhat laywers are smart. | Mar 06 10:45 |
| oiaohm | If someone took out a patent really they should have done a prior art search. | Mar 06 10:45 |
| green999 | red hat is a big company the executives can afford big lawyers | Mar 06 10:46 |
| oiaohm | So if they cannot provide documents of a prior art search that has been well done the patent must not be valid. | Mar 06 10:46 |
| green999 | your average 1-man webshop can't | Mar 06 10:46 |
| green999 | your average 20-man webshop can't | Mar 06 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough redhat way a 1man shop could do it. | Mar 06 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Since most of the cost land on the person trying to enforce the patent. | Mar 06 10:46 |
| _Hicham_ | RedHat shows how to make money from Linux, while being faithful to FOSS | Mar 06 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Answer what right a person really does have to enforce a patent if they have not checked if its valid or not. | Mar 06 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Law answer is none. | Mar 06 10:48 |
| _Hicham_ | they can't apply a patent over RedHat, because all of its producted are copyrighted | Mar 06 10:48 |
| green999 | h: google shows how to make money from linux while being (mostly) faithful to FOSS | Mar 06 10:49 |
| _Hicham_ | you won't have a single piece of software from RedHat that it is not copyrighted and well protected | Mar 06 10:49 |
| green999 | h: and volkswagen | Mar 06 10:49 |
| _Hicham_ | Google? | Mar 06 10:49 |
| green999 | h: and tomtom | Mar 06 10:49 |
| _Hicham_ | ? | Mar 06 10:49 |
| _Hicham_ | ? | Mar 06 10:49 |
| _Hicham_ | ? | Mar 06 10:49 |
| _Hicham_ | ? | Mar 06 10:49 |
| _Hicham_ | google is not faithful to FOSS | Mar 06 10:49 |
| _Hicham_ | and you know that | Mar 06 10:49 |
| green999 | and erine ball guitars | Mar 06 10:49 |
| _Hicham_ | especially with its last browser | Mar 06 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Google is majorally faithful. | Mar 06 10:50 |
| _Hicham_ | Chrome is based on open source Chromium | Mar 06 10:50 |
| schestowitz | green999: I got a few E-mails from DiBona last night | Mar 06 10:50 |
| _Hicham_ | but Chrome isnt open source | Mar 06 10:50 |
| green999 | s: cool | Mar 06 10:50 |
| schestowitz | I still think Google receives too much credit | Mar 06 10:50 |
| _Hicham_ | hi Roy | Mar 06 10:50 |
| green999 | s: what's the word | Mar 06 10:50 |
| schestowitz | It uses Linux | Mar 06 10:50 |
| schestowitz | But it's open soure/Linux mentality | Mar 06 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Chrome and chromium are ths same thing. | Mar 06 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Not Free software/GNU/GPL | Mar 06 10:50 |
| schestowitz | It still snubs AGPL | Mar 06 10:50 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy, Google uses Linux | Mar 06 10:50 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Mar 06 10:50 |
| _Hicham_ | not the same things | Mar 06 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Google obeys licences. | Mar 06 10:50 |
| green999 | google still gets too much credit, but if they msfters were excised from the staff, it would both gain credibility and profitability | Mar 06 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Even redhat has some closed source bits. | Mar 06 10:50 |
| green999 | google still does an excellent job on the kernel | Mar 06 10:51 |
| _Hicham_ | there is a big difference | Mar 06 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Yeah.. | Mar 06 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Also google respect the intent of Licences as well. | Mar 06 10:51 |
| _Hicham_ | google contribute to the kernel, because it will help them on their servers | Mar 06 10:51 |
| _Hicham_ | gws | Mar 06 10:51 |
| _Hicham_ | Chrome has at least one spyware | Mar 06 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Ok google still a closed source company. | Mar 06 10:52 |
| _Hicham_ | it has been proven | Mar 06 10:52 |
| oiaohm | What spyware is that. | Mar 06 10:52 |
| oiaohm | Please don't be the same one in firefox. | Mar 06 10:52 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Mar 06 10:52 |
| _Hicham_ | Firefox is another thing | Mar 06 10:52 |
| _Hicham_ | Chrome create a key in the registry | Mar 06 10:52 |
| _Hicham_ | which is very suspicious | Mar 06 10:53 |
| _Hicham_ | it has to do with elevated privilegies | Mar 06 10:53 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a hidden ActiveX | Mar 06 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Chromuim secuirty framework. | Mar 06 10:53 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Mar 06 10:54 |
| _Hicham_ | if you compile it from source, you won't get that | Mar 06 10:54 |
| green999 | activex is spyware, but it only runs on outdated systems that are already unsafe for net use | Mar 06 10:54 |
| _Hicham_ | Windows is always unsafe for net use | Mar 06 10:55 |
| _Hicham_ | the ActiveX runs hidden inside IE | Mar 06 10:55 |
| _Hicham_ | I heard also that the anti-phishing filter in Firefox belongs to Google | Mar 06 10:57 |
| _Hicham_ | but I am not sure about that... | Mar 06 10:58 |
| schestowitz | Sounds possible | Mar 06 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Yep google is the only one who has enought data to make a anti-phishing filter that works. | Mar 06 10:58 |
| schestowitz | But didn't they remove such a feature | Mar 06 10:58 |
| schestowitz | ? | Mar 06 10:58 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Mar 06 10:58 |
| _Hicham_ | it still exists in Firefox | Mar 06 10:58 |
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| _Hicham_ | Mozilla is always cooperating with Google | Mar 06 11:00 |
| _Hicham_ | they have just extended their cooperation till 2011 or 2012, I don't remember... | Mar 06 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Google funds a lot of different things. | Mar 06 11:01 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Mar 06 11:01 |
| _Hicham_ | to defend its position on the market | Mar 06 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Google summer of code is a interesting one. | Mar 06 11:02 |
| _Hicham_ | but the policy taken with Chrome isnt for FOSS | Mar 06 11:02 |
| _Hicham_ | yes GoSC is great | Mar 06 11:02 |
| _Hicham_ | Chrome is based on WTL | Mar 06 11:03 |
| green999 | GSOC 2009 starts 9 march | Mar 06 11:03 |
| _Hicham_ | have you ever you heard of WTL? | Mar 06 11:03 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy? | Mar 06 11:03 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy is silent | Mar 06 11:03 |
| _Hicham_ | O:-) | Mar 06 11:04 |
| oiaohm | Chrome was never intendend to last long term. | Mar 06 11:04 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u mean oiaohm? | Mar 06 11:04 |
| oiaohm | It was intended to be a testing ground for new internet secuirty systems. | Mar 06 11:04 |
| oiaohm | With a open enough licence that even Microsoft could have picked up sections of the tech. | Mar 06 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Its another Linux style project. It has not gone where google intented now they are along for the ride trying to work out what to do. | Mar 06 11:05 |
