Summary: Two companies are shown for their smears of Free software competitors, one using a leak (probably disgruntled employee) and another using a former employee

OUR READER David Gerard has found this new addition to Wikileaks. Titled "SirsiDynix Corp restricted lobby paper against Open Source technologies," the paper contained therein shows an ongoing slander of Free software and it is summarised as follows:

This document was released only to a select number of existing customers of the company SirsiDynix, a proprietary library automation software vendor. It has not been released more broadly specifically because of the misinformation about open source software and possible libel per se against certain competitors contained therein.

SirsiDynix is currently embroiled in a lawsuit with one of the largest public libraries in the U.S. (Queens Borough, NY) and this document does illustrate the less-than-ethical nature of this company. The source states that the document should be leaked so that everyone can see to what extent SirsiDynix will attempt to spread falsehoods and smear open source and the proponents of open source.

In other news, just two hours ago Pawel let us know that a former Sun employee (and one of the developers of ZFS) is spreading lies about GNU/Linux. We append the communication below for those who wish to read it in isolation. ⬆

pawel_pfk	hello	Oct 30 09:35
pawel_pfk	I found sun is spreading FUD about Linux	Oct 30 09:35
pawel_pfk	it's probably part of solaris 10 advertisement	Oct 30 09:35
pawel_pfk	last time it was Bonwick, but Dave - Linux dev wrote response on his blog to Bonwick's lies	Oct 30 09:36
pawel_pfk	http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/2007/04/10#bonwick_scalability	Oct 30 09:36
pawel_pfk	and now, it's some other maggot	Oct 30 09:36
pawel_pfk	:	Oct 30 09:36
pawel_pfk	http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml	Oct 30 09:36
phIRCe-local	Title: Solaris vs Linux .::. Size~: 24.86 KB	Oct 30 09:36
pawel_pfk	he repeats Bonwick bull, but ads more text	Oct 30 09:37
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pawel_pfk	is there possibility to post article about this?	Oct 30 09:45
schestowitz	Hey	Oct 30 09:46
schestowitz	Let me see	Oct 30 09:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] No #Yahoo for #Microsoft, #CarlIcahn Sued by #GoldmanSachs http://ping.fm/zE2Da		Oct 30 09:46
phIRCe-local	Title: No Yahoo! for Microsoft, Carl Icahn Sued by Goldman Sachs | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 114.43 KB	Oct 30 09:47
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schestowitz	pawel_pfk: is this a new thing?	Oct 30 09:47
schestowitz	It looks like older stuff	Oct 30 09:47
pawel_pfk	yes, it's from current year	Oct 30 09:47
pawel_pfk	afaik it's written article is made since 2005	Oct 30 09:48
pawel_pfk	it seems it's still in 'production'	Oct 30 09:49
pawel_pfk	they even quote m$ Balmer there and encourage to read windows evangelism documents	Oct 30 09:51
pawel_pfk	it's aimed directly against Linux	Oct 30 09:51
pawel_pfk	Created Jan 2, 2005.  Last modified: September 15, 2009	Oct 30 09:52
oiaohm	Balmer fear of Linux is justified.  Remember Unix guys at one point said that Linux could never take over there markets due to not being able to match what there full time developers were doing.	Oct 30 09:52
pawel_pfk	so quite new	Oct 30 09:52
pawel_pfk	sun wants to make more mony on dying cow which Solaris is :>	Oct 30 09:53
pawel_pfk	money*	Oct 30 09:53
pawel_pfk	it always attacks Linux - remember Solaris is better Linux than Linux campaign?	Oct 30 09:54
oiaohm	For a time that was true pawel_pfk	Oct 30 09:54
pawel_pfk	maybe :)	Oct 30 09:55
oiaohm	Solaris was the techincally strongest of all the Unix's.	Oct 30 09:55
pawel_pfk	yep, but it was quite long ago	Oct 30 09:55
oiaohm	Still has some techincal advantages over Linux.	Oct 30 09:55
pawel_pfk	yep, ZFS and DTrace	Oct 30 09:55
oiaohm	But they are fading fast.	Oct 30 09:55
pawel_pfk	but this article is full of bull	Oct 30 09:56
oiaohm	2.6.32 mostly takes out Dtrace	Oct 30 09:56
pawel_pfk	typical marceting crap in this case	Oct 30 09:56
pawel_pfk	I know :>	Oct 30 09:56
oiaohm	You forget zones pawel_pfk	Oct 30 09:56
oiaohm	Linux kernel is still working on catching up with them.	Oct 30 09:56
pawel_pfk	oiaohm: yes, but they're working on them	Oct 30 09:56
pawel_pfk	in few areas only	Oct 30 09:57
pawel_pfk	like zones and fs	Oct 30 09:57
oiaohm	Othere area is management software.	Oct 30 09:57
pawel_pfk	when comes to scallability Linux owns	Oct 30 09:57
oiaohm	Linux management software still needs more work.	Oct 30 09:57
pawel_pfk	ok, but let's not make a flame here :)	Oct 30 09:57
oiaohm	But that is the list.	Oct 30 09:58
pawel_pfk	if you'll read this article you'll see there are many lies	Oct 30 09:58
oiaohm	Link to artical.	Oct 30 09:58
oiaohm	I entered after link being said here I guess.	Oct 30 09:58
pawel_pfk	http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml	Oct 30 09:58
phIRCe-local	Title: Solaris vs Linux .::. Size~: 24.86 KB	Oct 30 09:58
pawel_pfk	and Linux dev response to previous bull:	Oct 30 09:59
pawel_pfk	http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/2007/04/10#bonwick_scalability	Oct 30 09:59
pawel_pfk	sun definetly wants to rise solaris 10 sales by spreading FUD about Linux	Oct 30 10:00
pawel_pfk	its advertisements are everywhere - phoronix, linux.com (lol) and at some other sides	Oct 30 10:01
pawel_pfk	sites* sorry	Oct 30 10:01
oiaohm	That is a older document reposted ie solaris vs Linux	Oct 30 10:02
pawel_pfk	it's updated in september 09	Oct 30 10:02
oiaohm	2005 is not when I first saw it.	Oct 30 10:02
oiaohm	Year 2000 I saw that document.	Oct 30 10:02
pawel_pfk	alright :)	Oct 30 10:02
oiaohm	In the context of year 2000 most of it is correct.	Oct 30 10:03
pawel_pfk	I found it yesterday and I thought it's from current year	Oct 30 10:03
pawel_pfk	however, they mentioned btrfs there	Oct 30 10:03
oiaohm	Its really lacking in corrections to keep it update.	Oct 30 10:03
pawel_pfk	so it's being updated all the time	Oct 30 10:03
oiaohm	Most of the corrections are making the document more and more invalid.	Oct 30 10:03
pawel_pfk	this is obvious, mostly there are lies :)	Oct 30 10:04
oiaohm	Lazy writer at work.	Oct 30 10:04
pawel_pfk	we'll see if they start linking some sites to this article	Oct 30 10:05
pawel_pfk	and then, maybe it will be worth to mention something about it?	Oct 30 10:06
pawel_pfk	if it will happen of course	Oct 30 10:06
oiaohm	Some of the stuff is still true.	Oct 30 10:07
oiaohm	Like lack of focus on creating and maintaining the documentation.	Oct 30 10:07
oiaohm	Blender conf recently almost rioted over it.	Oct 30 10:07
pawel_pfk	yep, but documentation itself is dead :)	Oct 30 10:07
pawel_pfk	of course, there are probably some good points, but everything is written to show solaris as perfect os	Oct 30 10:08
pawel_pfk	and Linux as the worst	Oct 30 10:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AlexBrown is #Microsoft ’s “Insider Friend, ‘the Fox’” http://ping.fm/2R9de shameless shill for Microsoft		Oct 30 10:08
phIRCe-local	Title: Alex Brown is Microsofts “Insider Friend, ‘the Fox’” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 114.38 KB	Oct 30 10:09
oiaohm	Yet in recent years solarias documentatio have slipped	Oct 30 10:09
oiaohm	Same issue as linux not enough people maintaining it.	Oct 30 10:09
schestowitz	pawel_pfk: is Sun tied to these latest smears?	Oct 30 10:09
schestowitz	They can say it's "some guy"	Oct 30 10:10
pawel_pfk	schestowits: sun always acts in this way	Oct 30 10:10
oiaohm	What gets me is it is a pure recycled documents.	Oct 30 10:10
oiaohm	This is no sun normal method.	Oct 30 10:10
oiaohm	no/not	Oct 30 10:10
pawel_pfk	schestowits: they use blogs and some people to attack others	Oct 30 10:10
pawel_pfk	probably never directly	Oct 30 10:11
oiaohm	pawel_pfk: Sun PR teams do act directly.	Oct 30 10:11
pawel_pfk	oiaohm: yes?	Oct 30 10:11
oiaohm	Normally with valid documents.	Oct 30 10:11
schestowitz	Which blogs?	Oct 30 10:11
pawel_pfk	schestowitz: i.e. Bonwick	Oct 30 10:11
oiaohm	One document is not valid you really have to wonder who.	Oct 30 10:11
pawel_pfk	this guy worked at ZFS	Oct 30 10:11
pawel_pfk	oiaohm: what document? :)	Oct 30 10:12
pawel_pfk	http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/solaris_inside	Oct 30 10:12
phIRCe-local	Title: Solaris Inside : Jeff Bonwick's Blog .::. Size~: 23.54 KB	Oct 30 10:12
pawel_pfk	he spreaded FUD some time ago on his blog	Oct 30 10:13
pawel_pfk	and I gave Dave response to this FUD before	Oct 30 10:13
pawel_pfk	but it's from 07 afaik	Oct 30 10:13
oiaohm	It not 100 percent FUD.	Oct 30 10:14
oiaohm	Around 2007 Linux was not getting the same percentage of yield from cpu cores as what solarias was.	Oct 30 10:14
pawel_pfk	maybe not 100 percent	Oct 30 10:14
pawel_pfk	Dave said something else	Oct 30 10:14
oiaohm	He also pointed to the issue.	Oct 30 10:15
oiaohm	Fs of Linux was still single data stream.	Oct 30 10:15
pawel_pfk	and Dave explained why it was like this :)	Oct 30 10:15
oiaohm	Only fixed in 2.6.32 by the way the data stream issue.	Oct 30 10:15
Diablo-D3	[06:11:34] <oiaohm> Around 2007 Linux was not getting the same percentage of yield from cpu cores as what solarias was.	Oct 30 10:15
Diablo-D3	probably an accounting error	Oct 30 10:16
Diablo-D3	bfs > *	Oct 30 10:16
pawel_pfk	oiaohm: probably not, because there's written about this 'issue' at lkml and it was configuration problem	Oct 30 10:16
pawel_pfk	something related to childs	Oct 30 10:16
oiaohm	It was a mixture of things.	Oct 30 10:16
oiaohm	When solarias put in zfs they fixed there lower filesystem stack.	Oct 30 10:17
pawel_pfk	I checked and even 2.6.8 scalled easily up to 64 CPUs	Oct 30 10:17
oiaohm	That did make a major performance difference	Oct 30 10:17
pawel_pfk	but Bonwick said it was Linux problem, but it was just configuration problem	Oct 30 10:17
oiaohm	Since 2.6.8 you are aware that Linux has many times doubled it processing on 128 cpu systems.	Oct 30 10:17
pawel_pfk	there's a thread about this	Oct 30 10:17
oiaohm	Ie its yield numbers.	Oct 30 10:18
oiaohm	These days the 2007 stuff is pointless the issues that caused the yield to be low is mostly gone.	Oct 30 10:18
pawel_pfk	but it's not related :)	Oct 30 10:18
oiaohm	Locks filesystem particular vfs kernel locking .	Oct 30 10:19
oiaohm	Yes the Blasted big kernel lock.	Oct 30 10:19
pawel_pfk	Bonwick said Linux scales worst then Solaris, but Linux scalled much better those times	Oct 30 10:19
pawel_pfk	and it scales far better now	Oct 30 10:19
pawel_pfk	he just lied	Oct 30 10:19
oiaohm	Under particular work loads Bonwick was right.	Oct 30 10:19
oiaohm	Filesystem work loads.	Oct 30 10:20
pawel_pfk	no, he mentioned SGI	Oct 30 10:20
pawel_pfk	and it was explained it was just configuration problem	Oct 30 10:20
oiaohm	Guess what section Bonwick works on in Solarias	Oct 30 10:20
pawel_pfk	he worked on zfs	Oct 30 10:20
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pawel_pfk	but it doesn't matter too much	Oct 30 10:20
pawel_pfk	if sun paid him, he sold his mind ;)	Oct 30 10:20
oiaohm	Solarias filesystem vfs did not have a big kernel lock in it like Linux.	Oct 30 10:20
oiaohm	Hitting the lock to lock everything in the vfs was not a good thing.	Oct 30 10:21
pawel_pfk	however, Linux had and has RCU	Oct 30 10:21
pawel_pfk	and it makes a big difference	Oct 30 10:21
oiaohm	Only recently did Linux vfs move to RCU	Oct 30 10:21
binky	morning folks.  has anyone heard more about the layoffs at novell this week?	Oct 30 10:21
pawel_pfk	those time Bonwick was lying, Linux had RCU	Oct 30 10:22
oiaohm	If people had taken Bonwick answers in context to where it works we might have got the vfs in Linux fixed sooner.	Oct 30 10:22
pawel_pfk	oiaohm: its explained in Dave's response	Oct 30 10:22
oiaohm	Dave responed to general all round pow	Oct 30 10:23
oiaohm	pawel_pfk:	Oct 30 10:23
oiaohm	General all round Dava was right.	Oct 30 10:23
oiaohm	But there was a pocket of hell.	Oct 30 10:23
pawel_pfk	it's just sun's nature :)	Oct 30 10:23
pawel_pfk	they always attack via blogs etc.	Oct 30 10:23
oiaohm	Its knowing sun developers.	Oct 30 10:23
pawel_pfk	why they didn't make official statement?	Oct 30 10:23
pawel_pfk	because they feared	Oct 30 10:24
oiaohm	Sun developers work inside a particualy field and are known to be tunneled vissioned.	Oct 30 10:24
pawel_pfk	hehe ;D	Oct 30 10:24
oiaohm	So if you take there blog posts with that.  They can point you to critical areas of issues.	Oct 30 10:24
pawel_pfk	but usually those isues are imaginable	Oct 30 10:25
pawel_pfk	normal devs don't play in such games	Oct 30 10:25
oiaohm	I am sorry to say it happens to normal developers as well.	Oct 30 10:25
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pawel_pfk	normally any dev don't attack others imho	Oct 30 10:26
pawel_pfk	till he's paid	Oct 30 10:26
oiaohm	Its like the developers in the Linux kernel saying having to scheduler at fault.	Oct 30 10:26
oiaohm	Even when it was major locking issues.	Oct 30 10:26
pawel_pfk	they're talking about their project	Oct 30 10:26
oiaohm	Or that Linux out benches something else.	Oct 30 10:26
pawel_pfk	I never saw they something like this	Oct 30 10:27
oiaohm	Most of the time they do include the context sometimes they forget including.	Oct 30 10:27
pawel_pfk	usually they responed to other benchmarks	Oct 30 10:27
oiaohm	Normally do correct it.	Oct 30 10:27
oiaohm	Just sun developers are not known for doing the correct.  They just keep on moving forward.	Oct 30 10:27
oiaohm	Notice the sun developer did provide context.	Oct 30 10:28
pawel_pfk	in my opinion in your interest is to protect sun and it seems a little flame is starting, so maybe we'll better stop here?	Oct 30 10:28
oiaohm	But if you were developing a storage appliance  << Most people missed it including you pawel_pfk	Oct 30 10:28
oiaohm	In a storage appliance what is critical.	Oct 30 10:28
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oiaohm	File system not data processing.	Oct 30 10:29
pawel_pfk	my point is just to point sun is using blogs to attack Linux and spread lies and FUD about it :)	Oct 30 10:29
pawel_pfk	I don't care about other things right now	Oct 30 10:29
oiaohm	Half the issue is people only have read the post.	Oct 30 10:29
oiaohm	Take there own context away and cause all kinds of problems.	Oct 30 10:30
oiaohm	This problem is not unique to sun blogs either.	Oct 30 10:30
oiaohm	IBM blogs have had the same issue.	Oct 30 10:30
pawel_pfk	doesn't change a thing	Oct 30 10:30
pawel_pfk	they must protect themselves right?	Oct 30 10:31
pawel_pfk	I said what I wanted to say, I'm not interested in other things	Oct 30 10:31
pawel_pfk	the fact is sun spreads FUD about Linux using blogs	Oct 30 10:31
oiaohm	Most of it read correct is not FUD.	Oct 30 10:32
pawel_pfk	if IBM do the same against i. e. sun I don't care	Oct 30 10:32
pawel_pfk	nope, it is	Oct 30 10:32
treestrump	any examples?	Oct 30 10:32
oiaohm	That one read in context is right pawel_pfk	Oct 30 10:32
pawel_pfk	there's no single proof, except some sun benchmarks which isn't trusworthy	Oct 30 10:32
oiaohm	Just everyone else reading it complete forgot the "if you were developing a storage appliance"	Oct 30 10:33
pawel_pfk	you didn't read, so you don't know what I'm according to	Oct 30 10:33
oiaohm	Its a complete different kettle of fish to developing a cluster to data process.	Oct 30 10:33
pawel_pfk	some proofs... :	Oct 30 10:33
oiaohm	There are a lot of different white papers that have been abused same kinds of ways taking bits out of context.	Oct 30 10:34
pawel_pfk	one of the titles:	Oct 30 10:34
pawel_pfk	Solaris as a cultural phenomenon	Oct 30 10:34
oiaohm	The biggest classic was "secuirty by obsecuirty"  taken by MS.	Oct 30 10:34
pawel_pfk	they've got to be kidding	Oct 30 10:34
oiaohm	obsecuirty is creating secrects attackers cannot simply find out.  Ie closed source binaries is not secuirty by obsecuirty because too many people have copies of it.	Oct 30 10:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Massive New Migration to #FreeSoftware in French Authorities; #Gendarmerie Should Delete #Mono http://ping.fm/JG30U		Oct 30 10:35
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oiaohm	Human nature is to take context wrong pawel_pfk	Oct 30 10:36
oiaohm	Now you could claim sun blogger are stealthing and cause others to take up FUD by mistake but don't do FUD themselves.	Oct 30 10:36
pawel_pfk	True, micro kernels might be a "total crap" if you compare them with the simple uniprocessor kernel of the size of Linux kernel 1.0. But the situation might be a little bit different with SMP-support and related additional complexity of all key subsystems that made kernel 2.6 many times bigger.	Oct 30 10:37
pawel_pfk	Solaris if far more complex	Oct 30 10:38
pawel_pfk	it's natural 2.6 is bigger, because it brought many imporvements	Oct 30 10:38
pawel_pfk	but this person doesn't understand this	Oct 30 10:38
oiaohm	Lot of core of Linux is reducing in size pawel_pfk	Oct 30 10:38
pawel_pfk	so that's good sin't it?	Oct 30 10:39
oiaohm	Sadly there is bloat and duplication to remove.  But its nothing like the ammount MS windows.	Oct 30 10:39
oiaohm	has in duplication.	Oct 30 10:39
pawel_pfk	solaris situation is far worse	Oct 30 10:40
oiaohm	Even micro kernels at times have advantages over Linux in the right locations.	Oct 30 10:41
oiaohm	Higher crash resistance that micro kernels can have due to less running in ring 0.	Oct 30 10:41
pawel_pfk	oiaohm: but I'm not interested in this	Oct 30 10:42
pawel_pfk	Until version 2.6 Linux just cannot compete on its own outside several highly specialized areas (only SGI has limited success in this area with their highly modified fully 64-bit Linux). The situation is improved with version 2.6 that provides more or less full 64-bit support, but it might be too little and too late to change the dynamics of this flat (or even shrinking) and very conservative market, where each previous investment strongly	Oct 30 10:42
pawel_pfk	suggests the next.  You just need to think about IBM mainframes which are still compatible with programs written in early 60th of the last century.  Linux track record in compatibility is simply horrible and as such Linux clearly is out of taste for mainframe buyers.	Oct 30 10:42
oiaohm	Everything has the price if solarias could not beat Linux in someareas I would be supprised.	Oct 30 10:42
pawel_pfk	this is total bull what they said here	Oct 30 10:42
pawel_pfk	they mention first 2.6 kernel	Oct 30 10:42
oiaohm	Not total bull  SGI was replacing the 2.4 network stack.	Oct 30 10:43
pawel_pfk	and how it is related?	Oct 30 10:43
oiaohm	That is valid for highly modified.	Oct 30 10:43
pawel_pfk	nope	Oct 30 10:43
pawel_pfk	his according to scallability and 64-bit support	Oct 30 10:44
pawel_pfk	and he simply lies	Oct 30 10:44
pawel_pfk	and he also lies about compatibility	Oct 30 10:45
pawel_pfk	Linux can run first Linux binaries	Oct 30 10:45
pawel_pfk	still*	Oct 30 10:45
oiaohm	Not 100 percent true pawel_pfk	Oct 30 10:45
pawel_pfk	this article is not even 5% true ;)	Oct 30 10:45
oiaohm	IBM mainframes do it by virtualisation support.	Oct 30 10:45
oiaohm	What Linux is now getting.	Oct 30 10:46
pawel_pfk	again you're wrong	Oct 30 10:46
pawel_pfk	Linux kernel can run such old Linux binaries natively	Oct 30 10:46
oiaohm	There are particular network control calls that current Linux kernel does not have.	Oct 30 10:46
pawel_pfk	and how is this related?	Oct 30 10:46
oiaohm	Particular programs are kernel major numbers dependant.	Oct 30 10:46
pawel_pfk	and?	Oct 30 10:47
pawel_pfk	it doesn't change a thing	Oct 30 10:47
oiaohm	IBM mainframes get around by being able to virtualize syscalls.	Oct 30 10:47
treestrump	the ABI's have changed	Oct 30 10:47
oiaohm	Same like freebsd.	Oct 30 10:47
pawel_pfk	another part of FUD:	Oct 30 10:48
pawel_pfk	Dump infrastructure in linux is primitive and buggy. Tracing also leaves much to be desired and far behind the capabilities of DTrace.  Due to better instrumentation with proper tuning Solaris 10 can achieve performance comparative or better then linux on X86 architecture.	Oct 30 10:48
oiaohm	Hopefull at somepoint cgroups provide that to Linux pawel_pfk	Oct 30 10:48
pawel_pfk	afaik there's a better tool than dtrace, it's not such invasive	Oct 30 10:48
pawel_pfk	they wish solaris will achieve same or better performance on x86	Oct 30 10:49
oiaohm	Lack of Dtrace has been a major headache to sorting out performance.  http://blog.fenrus.org/?p=5  << Like this.	Oct 30 10:49
phIRCe-local	Title: Introducing timechart €«  Arjan van de Ven's blog .::. Size~: 52.51 KB	Oct 30 10:49
oiaohm	What we have now.	Oct 30 10:49
oiaohm	there was a way to create charts from dtrace helping massively.	Oct 30 10:49
pawel_pfk	currently there are such tools	Oct 30 10:49
oiaohm	They are only recent pawel_pfk	Oct 30 10:50
oiaohm	At the time of artical it does have some valid points.	Oct 30 10:50
pawel_pfk	very few	Oct 30 10:50
oiaohm	Now comared to today its dead.	Oct 30 10:50
pawel_pfk	article?	Oct 30 10:50
oiaohm	It has very few points total.	Oct 30 10:51
pawel_pfk	yes and they're usually not correct	Oct 30 10:51
oiaohm	They are correct.	Oct 30 10:51
oiaohm	Just over pushed.	Oct 30 10:51
pawel_pfk	many are not correct :)	Oct 30 10:51
oiaohm	Most are correct.	Oct 30 10:51
pawel_pfk	but you didn't read a whole article	Oct 30 10:51
oiaohm	At that time.	Oct 30 10:51
pawel_pfk	it's hard to say to what time this article is related	Oct 30 10:52
oiaohm	But people are reading way too much into them.	Oct 30 10:52
pawel_pfk	it seems it's related to current year, because there was an update	Oct 30 10:52
pawel_pfk	and they mention Solaris 10, so it must be related to current year	Oct 30 10:53
oiaohm	Also did you not read the top of the document.    "Copyright 2005-2009, Dr. Nikolai Bezroukov. This is a copyrighted unpublished work. All rights reserved."	Oct 30 10:53
pawel_pfk	yep	Oct 30 10:53
oiaohm	unpublished work equals draft.	Oct 30 10:53
pawel_pfk	this is a way such cowards like sun acts	Oct 30 10:53
pawel_pfk	but it's published :>	Oct 30 10:54
oiaohm	Should be expected to be spreed over 2005 to 2009 of entries.	Oct 30 10:54
oiaohm	Declare of unpublished says draft even if it posted or not.	Oct 30 10:54
oiaohm	Its posted for feed back to correct errors pawel_pfk	Oct 30 10:54
pawel_pfk	I know, but google bots read it	Oct 30 10:55
pawel_pfk	and some people also	Oct 30 10:55
oiaohm	And that document need a lot.	Oct 30 10:55
pawel_pfk	the best would be to delete this bull, too much to correct	Oct 30 10:55
oiaohm	People are dumb.	Oct 30 10:55
pawel_pfk	sadly, but true	Oct 30 10:55
oiaohm	Its not that sun has done anything wrong as such.	Oct 30 10:55
oiaohm	They are purely depending on the DUMB to turn a draft document into fud.	Oct 30 10:56
pawel_pfk	nope, their marketing guys probably said it will be a nice solaris 10 advertisement	Oct 30 10:57
oiaohm	Since the sections in the draft were correct at some time in the 2005-2009 time window they are home free from a white paper	Oct 30 10:57
oiaohm	Now any white paper that is draft should never be quoted.	Oct 30 10:57
oiaohm	Because its draft and could have to be corrected.	Oct 30 10:57
oiaohm	Now if you could find SUN marketing people quoting it you would have them by the balls pawel_pfk	Oct 30 10:58
pawel_pfk	it's unfinished to not let other people act officialy	Oct 30 10:58
treestrump	unpublished only means it has not been published in a journal, like most blogs	Oct 30 10:58
pawel_pfk	so, it seems it's another sun attack via 'blog'	Oct 30 10:58
oiaohm	unpublished also does not mean released as final version treestrump	Oct 30 10:58
pawel_pfk	unfinished is a shield in this case	Oct 30 10:59
pawel_pfk	nobody says it's a final version	Oct 30 10:59
treestrump	nobody says it's a draft either.	Oct 30 10:59
pawel_pfk	current version is just a piece of bull	Oct 30 10:59
oiaohm	unpublished documents are also not meant to be quoted from treestrump.  No peer review.	Oct 30 11:00
oiaohm	For defects.	Oct 30 11:00
pawel_pfk	for protection and because of cowardness	Oct 30 11:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Back In Business | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yzmkbcg		Oct 30 11:00
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pawel_pfk	I just wanted to point sun stills spread FUD against Linux, you'll do what you want :)	Oct 30 11:01
oiaohm	pawel_pfk: anywhere SUN marketing quote it.  Or is it SUN letting other idiots quote it missing the documents status.	Oct 30 11:01
oiaohm	Its not FUD as such pawel_pfk	Oct 30 11:02
pawel_pfk	they use it just to advertise Solaris 10 and to attack Linux, that's all	Oct 30 11:02
oiaohm	They are purely depending on idiot people to run it into FUD.	Oct 30 11:02
pawel_pfk	other things don't matter	Oct 30 11:02
pawel_pfk	nope, it's a fud	Oct 30 11:02
pawel_pfk	but you proved you have problems to understand some points	Oct 30 11:03
pawel_pfk	so we don't have anythin more to talk about :)	Oct 30 11:03
oiaohm	A pure fud attack attempts to look true document.	Oct 30 11:03
oiaohm	SUN ones don't.	Oct 30 11:03
pawel_pfk	if this article will be finished or more popular think of writing about it	Oct 30 11:04
pawel_pfk	have a nice day, Bye	Oct 30 11:04
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oiaohm	They have there own veration of it.	Oct 30 11:04
oiaohm	Copyright 2005-2009, Dr. Nikolai Bezroukov. This is a copyrighted unpublished work. All rights reserved.  << Note the All rights reserved.	Oct 30 11:05
oiaohm	No one really has the right to publish it to use it.	Oct 30 11:05
treestrump	it's just a normal standard copyright notice, thats how they all are.	Oct 30 11:08
oiaohm	Is it me or pawel_pfk was trying to get us to attack sun without 100 percent valid grounds.   Yes what sun does is far more sneaky but is not FUD because can be disproven quicky.	Oct 30 11:08
oiaohm	There is no other copyright notices to allow any other usage treestrump  not all are that way.	Oct 30 11:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Even Worse Than #Vista in Some Ways — Claim http://ping.fm/XQvac		Oct 30 11:10
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oiaohm	http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml  Also read the notes on that document treestrump	Oct 30 11:12
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oiaohm	This paper covers results of the research in progress.  << The line of fear.  Yes research in progress incomplete document.	Oct 30 11:13