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| schestowitz | Hi, anivar | Jul 12 05:25 |
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| schestowitz | I was just going through an old conversation we had because of a new development. | Jul 12 05:26 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: | Jul 12 05:28 |
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| anivar | what is that | Jul 12 05:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/0... | Jul 12 05:29 |
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| schestowitz | They started dumping Microsoft software on SA kids. | Jul 12 05:30 |
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| schestowitz | Brazil hopefully isn't next: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/... | Jul 12 05:30 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: i will check. I need to leave now. | Jul 12 05:35 |
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| schestowitz | Funny comment here: "Interesting that SARS uses linux, yet only provide e-filing software for windoze ! " http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2570 | Jul 12 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | There seems to be this complaint against people burying our posts. :-( http://www.fsdaily.com/v... | Jul 12 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | It all started when the OpenSUSE people started their attack on the site. | Jul 12 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, and some Novell employees too (on the payroll) among them. Not fair. | Jul 12 16:20 |
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| RogerBacon | hey | Jul 12 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | hey there. | Jul 12 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: I was away (out of FreeNode) from 10PM-2AM. Did anyone post anything at that time? Or is RogerBacon's message the last one to come? Thanks. | Jul 13 08:12 |
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| tessier | Nobody posted anything | Jul 13 08:12 |
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| tessier | RogerBacon's "hey" was the last before your message just now | Jul 13 08:13 |
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| schestowitz | Ta! | Jul 13 08:13 |
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| schestowitz | Rex had you mentioned in COLA yesterday. Microsoft and ActiveX. | Jul 13 08:14 |
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| tessier | Oh really? | Jul 13 08:14 |
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| *tessier is playing with his Freerunner phone | Jul 13 08:15 |
| schestowitz | I've just filed a report about abuse in USNET | Jul 13 08:30 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think you watch COLA anymore, but there's been a torrent of highly-cross-posted message that have my name and headers as the sender. Needless to say, it contains all sort of libelous claims. Someone says that the forged messages arrive from altopia.com | Jul 13 08:32 |
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| schestowitz | anivar: got any news about software patents in India? The Indian press reported on this 2 weeks ago, but OSIndia doesn't seem to have mentioned it since April. | Jul 13 17:47 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: The discussion is still on | Jul 13 17:52 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: but I also not followed it closely recently. and because of other political situations no updates are happening on it | Jul 13 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's very active in Europe at the moment, so I wondered about India. Another important place where this could be pressure for is China. Japan has already given up. | Jul 13 17:58 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: also there is a split in opinion about software patents in NASSCOM the The IT industry association. so their pressure on govt is also not high | Jul 13 17:59 |
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| anivar | Anyway I still feel condition is not dangerous in india as of now compared to the situation of paent amendment in 2004. | Jul 13 18:00 |
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| anivar | patent amendment | Jul 13 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | I wasn't following it at the time. It failed in Europe too, but they figures that some years down the line, along with a US economical recession, science has changed | Jul 13 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | Some of Microsoft India's partners are filing for software patents in the US (USPTO). I caught a couple of examples a few months ago. 3D stuff... | Jul 13 18:03 |
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| RogerBacon | schestowitz : did you know what is Singularity ? | Jul 14 05:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's abandonware. :-) | Jul 14 05:22 |
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| schestowitz | From memory, they release it under a very limited (bogus) shared/open source licence because it's useless. | Jul 14 05:22 |
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| schestowitz | The rumours used to say it would be a replacement for Windows, but Microsoft now insists it's just a research project that it wants to make available to academia (free labour) | Jul 14 05:23 |
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| schestowitz | There's now a new codename. Singularity used to show just what a resource hog Windows had becomes, esp. compared to Linux and BSD. | Jul 14 05:23 |
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| RogerBacon | indeed the source are open but didn't cheked what is the license | Jul 14 05:54 |
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| RogerBacon | i dont get it, what's the point of making a managed-code kernel | Jul 14 05:55 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon Microsoft will try to exploit other FOSS projects somehow, if not harm them even more or wrap them up with Mono. | Jul 14 05:56 |
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| RogerBacon | http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/ht... | Jul 14 05:58 |
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| RogerBacon | warning : this site is powered by asp.net ;) | Jul 14 05:59 |
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| schestowitz | The danger comes from the client side, not the server side. Anyway, it's quite a Microsoft shop... http://toolbar.netcraft.com/si... | Jul 14 06:34 |
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| schestowitz | Watch http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008... I'm not sure if they are bluffing or Linux is too popular. Microsoft already managed to mess with ASUS t the point of making GNU/Linux more expensive than Windows. | Jul 14 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | There's another potentially FUDdy at APC Mag (Australia). It's about ASUS and Linux. Having looked at other sites' comments, the writers are being accused of sensationalism. | Jul 14 17:23 |
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| RogerBacon | interresting read about microsoft vs FOSS | Jul 14 21:20 |
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| RogerBacon | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-so... | Jul 14 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3560 C# inching closer to KDE? | Jul 15 06:47 |
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| tessier | So, not only am I having fun with my Openmoko Freerunner but I just found out that my fiance's brand new Motorola Z9 runs Linux/Java. | Jul 15 08:30 |
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| tessier | Nothing about the GPL or anything in any of the docs that came with it as far as I can see though. | Jul 15 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | It's probably quite the exception if it doesn't run Symbian or a form of Linux these days (mostly secretly, esp. in Asia where there's the GPL violation problem). | Jul 15 09:29 |
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| tessier | Symbian, Linux, iPhone. Those are the choices these days. | Jul 15 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.dividend.com/blog/?p=719 -- The financial figures come soon. Since Microsoft has bought so many companies (at the expense of its savings that run dry), revenue will say too little. It's the sales of Windows and Office that will be interesting and Microsoft will try very hard to divert attention away from this. | Jul 15 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | That's why I love Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-... . Had a flood of SPAM ruining my site last week (example: http://schestowitz.com/Gallery... ). If only there were no zombies, but hope is low... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/... | Jul 15 14:51 |
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| schestowitz | Béranger writes: "Now, I don't think Red Hat was paid by those patent trolls. Going forward to invalidate the patents would still have entitled Red Hat to ask for damages, and the public image of Red Hat would have been even better: hey, software patents can be invalidated, and here's Red Hat doing it! | Jul 15 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | "But, IF Red Hat was indeed paid to shut up, THEN this is even criminal! It's like making profits on the expenses of other operating systems (the BSDs, Solaris, whatever) not covered by this settlement!" | Jul 15 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Which brings back shades of Novell. SCO too had Microsoft and Sun license from them after the suit against Linux (IBM et al). All for legitimacy. Same with Trend Micro, which did this recently with IBM and ironically Barracuda then had to buy patents from IBM!!! | Jul 15 19:44 |
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| saul__ | schestowitz, I thought you might be interested (if you weren't already aware): http://en.oreilly.com/osco... | Jul 16 23:03 |
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| tessier | SCO breached its fiduciary duty to Novell, converted funds, and so it has to pay. That is ironic, in that this case started with SCO accusing Novell of slander of title, and asking for millions in damages. Instead it has to *pay* Novell millions. | Jul 17 02:01 |
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| tessier | Woohoo! | Jul 17 02:01 |
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| tessier | Another nail in the coffin! | Jul 17 02:02 |
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| ZiggyFish | schestowitz: are you there | Jul 17 02:43 |
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| brendan__ | hey schestowitz | Jul 17 04:56 |
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| schestowitz | Hi there. | Jul 17 04:56 |
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| schestowitz | [I forgot to set myself to 'away' earlier when I was asleep (oops).] | Jul 17 04:57 |
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| brendan__ | today, by HP I was told to install a virus or I wouldn't get any tech support | Jul 17 04:57 |
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| brendan__ | (i.e vista) | Jul 17 04:58 |
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| schestowitz | Really!?!? | Jul 17 04:58 |
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| schestowitz | Oh. | Jul 17 04:58 |
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| brendan__ | yeah | Jul 17 04:58 |
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| schestowitz | That's terrible. They said they would support it for a while. | Jul 17 04:59 |
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| brendan__ | nope | Jul 17 04:59 |
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| schestowitz | Once again it's H-P to Microsoft's rescue. | Jul 17 04:59 |
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| schestowitz | Do you have the E-mail or some other record of this? | Jul 17 04:59 |
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| brendan__ | only phone | Jul 17 05:00 |
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| brendan__ | (I did have a few unplesent words the the lady on the other side of the phone though) | Jul 17 05:01 |
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| schestowitz | Is that really their policy? What's the nature of the support? | Jul 17 05:01 |
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| brendan__ | windows or we not support | Jul 17 05:01 |
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| brendan__ | they said it was because linux didn't have the right drivers (but the problem still persisted even in vista) | Jul 17 05:02 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, but did they reject supporting XP even if you already have it installed? | Jul 17 05:04 |
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| brendan__ | don't know (didn't ask) | Jul 17 05:04 |
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| brendan__ | I was using ubuntu | Jul 17 05:04 |
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| schestowitz | That would be the interesting part (if they push people away from XP and into Vista). H-P is too close to Microsoft to support Linux. They do Novell Linux, i.e. Microsoft-taxed rubbish. | Jul 17 05:05 |
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| ziggyfish | lol | Jul 17 05:05 |
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| schestowitz | ziggyfish: sorry I didn't respond earlier. I was asleep. | Jul 17 05:06 |
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| ziggyfish | sharn powers(from LinuxJornal) had a simular problem a couple of days ago with HP's mini note book | Jul 17 05:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I saw the video. | Jul 17 05:06 |
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| ziggyfish | schestowitz, I forgive you | Jul 17 05:06 |
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| ziggyfish | ;) | Jul 17 05:07 |
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| schestowitz | I wouldn't but from H-P. They are part of the Vista collusion fiasco (still in court) and they lobbied for OOXML in France. | Jul 17 05:07 |
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| ziggyfish | yeah, I aslo heard,while I was on hold, that they are having a vista promotion as well | Jul 17 05:08 |
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| ziggyfish | so now I'm stuck with vista untill tuesday | Jul 17 05:09 |
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| schestowitz | The likes of H-P and Dell are competing over who sucks up to Microsoft better. Same with Intel and AMD. Microsoft controls them using its monopoly (and margins). Acer quit this dependency with Linux. | Jul 17 05:10 |
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| *schestowitz hasn't used Windows in years, not even for minuted. | Jul 17 05:10 |
| *ziggyfish forced to use it in years | Jul 17 05:12 |
| schestowitz | With Apple becoming more prevalent on 'the desktop', policies evolve to allow the use of more than one O/S. | Jul 17 05:13 |
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| ziggyfish | anyway got to go, c ya | Jul 17 05:20 |
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| schestowitz | Interesting chart right here: http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content... (GNU/Linux > Mac OS X) | Jul 17 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Good news, everybody. Microsoft's financial results were poor and the stock fell another 6%. | Jul 18 05:17 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: Poor? How do you figure? | Jul 18 07:01 |
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| tessier | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content... | Jul 18 07:01 |
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| tessier | This makes them look pretty good | Jul 18 07:01 |
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| schestowitz | I saw Joe's analysis earlier. He's biased. | Jul 18 07:01 |
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| tessier | But the numbers are the numbers. How could he be biased? | Jul 18 07:02 |
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| tessier | Are the numbers they reported to the SEC bigger or smaller than before? | Jul 18 07:03 |
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| schestowitz | He only shows what Microsoft wants you to see. It does not tell you, for example, that Microsoft spent tens of billions buying companies for their revenue, which left Microsoft with a lot less in the bank. It also does not tell you what Microsoft fans like Ina Fried admitted to. This was a disappointment. | Jul 18 07:03 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft plans to continue to invest (read: lose money) in online services. ( http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-... ) | Jul 18 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: Microsoft hit after earnings and forecast miss [...] "Shares of Microsoft Corp. dropped more than 6% in after-hours trading after the software giant posted a fiscal fourth-quarter profit that fell short of Wall Street's estimates as it forecast lower-than-expected revenue for the following quarter." | Jul 18 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/17/t... | Jul 18 07:59 |
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| dsmith_ | haha | Jul 18 08:03 |
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| dsmith_ | hello roy | Jul 18 08:03 |
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| dsmith_ | I know MS is building some huge data centers | Jul 18 08:04 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: So earnings are up just not quite as up as the street expected. That's hadly bad news for MS. | Jul 18 08:07 |
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| tessier | hardly | Jul 18 08:08 |
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| schestowitz | Profits declined in the last quarter, but I don't know yet about this one. Microsoft's profits won't turn totally sour overnight, but it's the trend that matters. Bear in mind that Microsoft had /already/ lowered its estimates in the last quarter, so it missed them again. See what Wilcox says (in quite a similar vein) about delivering Hyper-V "ahead of schedule" _after a delay_. | Jul 18 08:11 |
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| schestowitz | There are always some reporters who just read Microsoft PR about its quarterly results. The truth comes later after independent interpretation from the non 'Billy press' (literally funded by him, so it spreads misinformation). | Jul 18 08:11 |
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| schestowitz | dsmith_: those datacentres don't pay off (yet, or ever). Microsoft continues to lose market share online | Jul 18 08:12 |
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| dsmith_ | I dobt they will ever pay off | Jul 18 08:13 |
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| dsmith_ | *doubt | Jul 18 08:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-102... " Microsoft dropped from 5.89 percent to 5.46 percent." | Jul 18 08:13 |
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| dsmith_ | they will collapse in disaaray and be bought up by Google | Jul 18 08:13 |
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| dsmith_ | or some other better managed firm | Jul 18 08:14 |
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| schestowitz | Don't say that. :-) You don't want those 'hot heads' ruining other companies. On the bright side, Google can demote Ballmer to janitor. Now, that's hubris at its best. They can appoint Jerry Yang to be his boss. | Jul 18 08:15 |
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| dsmith_ | lmfao | Jul 18 08:16 |
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| dsmith_ | why do linux users get referred to as MS haters? | Jul 18 08:16 |
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| dsmith_ | I mean I have no quarrell against BIlly or in anyway hate MS in general | Jul 18 08:16 |
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| tessier | Yes, MS is definitely losing in the online ventures. Not just not making as much profit as expected but actually losing. | Jul 18 08:25 |
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| tessier | dsmith_: I get tons of spam and viruses. Sent from MS machines. That alone makes me dislike them. | Jul 18 08:25 |
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| tessier | dsmith_: Constant probe attempts from compromised computers, malware, my friends and coworkers upset because they lost their data or their computer got taken over. | Jul 18 08:25 |
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| dsmith_ | I hear ya | Jul 18 08:26 |
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| tessier | My fiancee actually had her webcam hijacked (they could see her bedroom) and she lost access to the yahoo email account she had been using for years and all of her contacts in it. | Jul 18 08:26 |
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| tessier | Suffice it to say, she happily runs Linux now. | Jul 18 08:26 |
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| tessier | Speaking of the fiancee, I have some manly duties to attend to now. ttyl | Jul 18 08:26 |
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| dsmith_ | I get complaints now and then and tell ppl, thats what you get for using MS. But when I offer the linux, oh thats too hard or its free, how can it be better. I even offer them a temp. laptop to take home to try to no avail. PPL are just clueless.. | Jul 18 08:27 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: make sure she doesn't marry you just for the Lunix skillz. ;-) | Jul 18 08:28 |
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| schestowitz | dsmith_: /s/clueless/lazy/ in my humble opinion. I too needed to learn a new operating system. I even used some OS 9 several years back (only at work). | Jul 18 08:29 |
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| dsmith_ | I switched right when vista came out.. | Jul 18 08:29 |
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| dsmith_ | going on two years now | Jul 18 08:29 |
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| dsmith_ | but I have used RH 7-9 years ago | Jul 18 08:30 |
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| dsmith_ | RH VEr. 7-9 | Jul 18 08:30 |
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| schestowitz | when I first used Linux (aged 18) it was a more primitive KDE 2. | Jul 18 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | I kept a Windows partition around for years. It was only in 2005 that I said goodbye to even a Windows partition. Things got easier at that stage (mixed environments are a mess). | Jul 18 08:32 |
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| dsmith_ | when I was off to college 96' we used NT, with netscape email/browser.. | Jul 18 08:33 |
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| dsmith_ | i have a xp partition on this laptop | Jul 18 08:33 |
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| dsmith_ | though i do boot into it once a week perhaps | Jul 18 08:33 |
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| schestowitz | If I needed to Windows today, I'd probably toss it under Qemu or something. It's amazing how far Linux has come along. Mandriva 2008.1 has been fantastic so far. I can't imagine running something different on this box. It's currently more impressive than even OS X. | Jul 18 08:54 |
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| schestowitz | MSFT is down over 8% so far today. That's nothing to sneeze at. | Jul 18 15:29 |
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