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08.21.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 20th, 2008 – Part III

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:52 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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neighborlee schestowitz, thx  indeed Aug 20 19:07
schestowitz self_liar: for Mono? Aug 20 19:07
self_liar schestowitz: no Aug 20 19:08
neighborlee self_liar, I wont use anything not 100% free, which gtk is ( except now its tarnished with .net crud) Aug 20 19:08
self_liar schestowitz: kde without mono is great Aug 20 19:08
schestowitz KDE had no Mono commits in the last report (hooks from Richard Dale). I keep an eye on it. Aug 20 19:08
self_liar schestowitz: kde with mono is not good Aug 20 19:08
neighborlee not that aI dont ‘respet’ what kde offers, but atm its encubmered IMHO, with qt Aug 20 19:08
self_liar schestowitz: sorry for  my bad english Aug 20 19:08
schestowitz self_liar: it’s all right. Aug 20 19:09
schestowitz PJ is also concerned about Mono/OOXML/KDE Aug 20 19:09
schestowitz Novell is likely to try to spread Mono. It’s its ‘added value’ Aug 20 19:09
neighborlee eek gad,,yes im sure of it Aug 20 19:09
self_liar novell buy mattias family , im afraid of this Aug 20 19:10
neighborlee and remember due to the M$/novel deal, they spread word about M$ stuff,,as does M$ for linux..supposedly.. Aug 20 19:10
schestowitz As illustrated in my pictures, which is now on ZDnet (http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2803  ) Aug 20 19:10
schestowitz mattias family?? Aug 20 19:10
self_liar schestowitz: mattias etrich ,the founder of kde and amarok Aug 20 19:10
schestowitz Oh! Aug 20 19:11
self_liar schestowitz: matthis ettrich Aug 20 19:11
benJIman neighborlee: No more encumbered than linux. Aug 20 19:11
self_liar schestowitz: *matthias ettrich Aug 20 19:11
schestowitz Of course… is he still vocal? I saw him in an EFYTimes article, but his friends seem to have taken the stage. Aug 20 19:11
schestowitz Novell is also promoting Microsoft technologies, which harms everyone like Sun and IBM (ODF, Java, etc,). Aug 20 19:12
self_liar schestowitz: the go-oo site attacks open office in silence Aug 20 19:13
neighborlee benJIman, no I mean gtk vs qt Aug 20 19:13
benJIman neighborlee: What do you mean? Aug 20 19:13
benJIman Qt is GPLed, so is Linux. Aug 20 19:13
neighborlee no Aug 20 19:13
neighborlee its not gpl for windows Aug 20 19:13
neighborlee err Aug 20 19:13
neighborlee crap Aug 20 19:13
neighborlee I mean for commercial usage Aug 20 19:13
benJIman neighborlee: Wrong, it is GPL for windows too. Aug 20 19:13
neighborlee yes Aug 20 19:14
neighborlee I mean for commercial usage Aug 20 19:14
benJIman You can write commercial GPL applications of course. Aug 20 19:14
neighborlee its just that gtk gives you  the power to do what you wish with it Aug 20 19:14
neighborlee to me thats total freedom Aug 20 19:14
benJIman Linux is GPLed too, so people are not allowed to distribute proprietary drivers for it. Aug 20 19:14
neighborlee then the user decides from there Aug 20 19:14
benJIman So why do you use linux? Shouldn’t you be using bsd? Aug 20 19:14
neighborlee most likely yes indeed, good point. Aug 20 19:15
neighborlee but I can’t Aug 20 19:15
neighborlee I dont trust it Aug 20 19:15
neighborlee I dont trust many things about bsd Aug 20 19:15
self_liar I don t like to use linux as example of free software Aug 20 19:15
self_liar linus et al. are corrupted Aug 20 19:15
neighborlee woah nellie ;)))) Aug 20 19:16
neighborlee but hey, if you have proof im willing to listen, as always ! Aug 20 19:16
self_liar The linux “foundation” does not help free software comunnity Aug 20 19:16
Tallken I like Linus Aug 20 19:16
self_liar self_liar: canonical now helps linux foundation Aug 20 19:16
self_liar oops ,a mistake Aug 20 19:16
neighborlee we know they dont help kernel..or is that what you were getting at ?? Aug 20 19:17
self_liar Linus is false,in revolution os ,he uses a reilly open source t-shirt Aug 20 19:17
neighborlee lol Aug 20 19:17
self_liar self_liar: linux “foundation” gains  all credit about free software Aug 20 19:18
self_liar oops a mistake again Aug 20 19:18
self_liar the “foundation”  does not consider problems like novell and microsoft Aug 20 19:19
self_liar for them all is “technical decisions” Aug 20 19:19
self_liar business decisions Aug 20 19:19
schestowitz I don’t trust the LF, either., Aug 20 19:19
self_liar for example reiser4 Aug 20 19:19
self_liar I like the filesystem Aug 20 19:19
schestowitz Come to consider the fact that IBM endorsed the Novell/Microsoft deal. They try to dilute and ruin Free software, then take just the code. Watch the recent Lotus move. Aug 20 19:20
neighborlee self_liar, I never had trouble running reiserfs come to think o fit yes Aug 20 19:20
self_liar but novell ,IBM and intel enforces do not use a software from prisioneer Aug 20 19:20
neighborlee self_liar, faster as well.,I wonder about #4 Aug 20 19:20
schestowitz On my SUSE 8.1, Resier lasted fine for 3+ years. Aug 20 19:20
self_liar and then the linux “foundation” uses a technical  argument Aug 20 19:20
schestowitz *Reiser I mean. Aug 20 19:20
neighborlee schestowitz, sweet Aug 20 19:21
self_liar “reseifs is not good ,blabal” Aug 20 19:21
neighborlee really ?? Aug 20 19:21
neighborlee woah Aug 20 19:21
neighborlee missed that Aug 20 19:21
self_liar only 1 developer support reiser4 with patches Aug 20 19:21
self_liar andrew morton Aug 20 19:21
schestowitz Taser taitned by Microsoft now: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/bus… Aug 20 19:22
schestowitz “TASER International’s products protect life. TASER provides advanced Electronic Control Devices (ECDs) for use in the law enforcement, medical, military, corrections, professional security, and personal protection markets. TASER devices use proprietary technology to incapacitate dangerous, combative, or high-risk subjects who pose a risk to law enforcement officers, innocent citizens, or themselves in a manner that is generally re Aug 20 19:22
schestowitz cognized as a safer alternative to other uses of force.” Aug 20 19:22
schestowitz Watch this or make a mental note in case they procure from Ballmer and the Boys in the future. Aug 20 19:23
self_liar schestowitz: If softwate community destroy m$ in 25 years , m$ can not do this Aug 20 19:25
schestowitz The disease is spreading (XAML): http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor… Aug 20 19:25
schestowitz Microsoft is weakened by many things. The worst that can happen now is FOSS developers going into bed with Microsoft.You know, like Novell did. It colluded. Aug 20 19:26
self_liar schestowitz: damn ,it’s bad! Aug 20 19:26
self_liar schestowitz: toyota is a very respected company in japan Aug 20 19:26
schestowitz Not that bad. Microsoft is still losing. Aug 20 19:27
schestowitz MSFT lost over $100 billion in value in less than one year. Aug 20 19:27
self_liar schestowitz: i know Aug 20 19:27
schestowitz Earlier I saw Pearly (Gates) and that other man who puts its stash in that tax-free haven (Fundation [sic]) taking a tour to Canada together. They still play politics. Aug 20 19:27
schestowitz I was shocked but not surprised to hear that Gates also wants government control (and this time not by proxy). Aug 20 19:28
self_liar schestowitz:heh like the “terminator”? Aug 20 19:29
schestowitz I haven’t seen it since I was a kid, so I can’t remember. Aug 20 19:29
schestowitz Here’s another boot-licking piece (too many of them today): http://directmag.com/opinions-columnists/l… Aug 20 19:31
schestowitz Okay, so another Microsoft senior abandoned the ship. http://rcpmag.com/news/article… Aug 20 19:33
neighborlee self_liar, hmm wow I had no idea andrew was supportin g that..thats very huge. Aug 20 19:33
self_liar schestowitz: why this exodus happen? Aug 20 19:34
schestowitz Someone still maintains reiserfs. kerneltrap reported on that last week. Aug 20 19:34
schestowitz self_liar: lots of the seniors leave because Microsoft is past its days of glory. They go backwards now, not forward. So seniors move on to new challenges. Aug 20 19:35
neighborlee so , is hans actually in jail for life, I lost track of all that mess Aug 20 19:35
schestowitz The issue is the trail you have left of former-Softies. They ‘poison’ other companies by acting as insiders. Watch Xen and VMWare for example. Microsoft managers there… Aug 20 19:35
schestowitz They should rename his FS or something. Aug 20 19:36
neighborlee heh Aug 20 19:36
self_liar schestowitz: ok,but for me it’s very strange Aug 20 19:36
self_liar schestowitz: I was thinking….. Aug 20 19:38
self_liar schestowitz: developed countries is a lot more easy to use GNU linux than in developing countries Aug 20 19:38
neighborlee to them, free matters alot ;) Aug 20 19:39
neighborlee open source I should say. Aug 20 19:39
self_liar schestowitz: in Brazil for example,  more than 70% linux computers is changed for windowz pirated edition Aug 20 19:39
neighborlee you mean they use windows pirated instead ? Aug 20 19:39
schestowitz self_liar: yes, true. The rich ones will upgrade to FOSS last. Aug 20 19:39
self_liar neighborlee: no Aug 20 19:40
schestowitz self_liar: just watch how the CH-based ISO gave the finger to developing countries. Aug 20 19:40
neighborlee self_liar, ok sorry your grammar had me confused a bit Aug 20 19:40
self_liar neighborlee: ok Aug 20 19:40
self_liar neighborlee: a lot of people buy pcs with linux Aug 20 19:40
self_liar self_liar: it’s more cheap and more powerful pcs Aug 20 19:41
schestowitz Hahaha. Watch the spin: Aug 20 19:41
schestowitz http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_dis… Aug 20 19:41
self_liar neighborlee: but a lot of people in one month changes for windowz Aug 20 19:41
schestowitz The search business goes down every month and they say “it’s only the beginning.” Any plan? No. Yahoo? No. But it’s still “Early”. Aug 20 19:41
self_liar neighborlee: you know ,addiction, the poor people does not know about free software Aug 20 19:42
schestowitz self_liar: how many people do you estimate use Linux (at some capacity) where you are? Aug 20 19:42
schestowitz Recently I found that in a college in the US, 15-25% are said to be GNU/Linux users. Aug 20 19:42
self_liar neighborlee: 8 percent i guess, at long time Aug 20 19:42
schestowitz Where is that, roughly? Aug 20 19:43
schestowitz I saw some massive downloads of some distros I never heard about. Like 14 million in Brazil. Aug 20 19:43
self_liar schestowitz: but the exodus rate is very high Aug 20 19:43
schestowitz Hold on… Aug 20 19:44
schestowitz It’s out of date but good nonetheless: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/2… Aug 20 19:44
self_liar schestowitz: a lot of people use linux because is better or give more knowledge Aug 20 19:45
self_liar schestowitz: it’s not because freedoom Aug 20 19:45
self_liar schestowitz: they do not know nothing about GNU Aug 20 19:46
self_liar schestowitz: for me this is very BAD, Aug 20 19:46
schestowitz The press is _FILLED_ with this non-announcement < http://www.nytimes.com/idg/IDG_852573C400… >. W.E. must be busy pressuring journos to hype up HyperV. Aug 20 19:46
self_liar schestowitz: only 8 percent (about 15 million) uses linux Aug 20 19:46
schestowitz self_liar: had the press not been ignoring the adoption of FOSS in developing nations (rather than claim 90%+ for Microsoft, ignoring all but desktop), then RMS and his message would spread wider. Aug 20 19:47
neighborlee well, its going to take time , with those not pooor for the option to catch on Aug 20 19:47
schestowitz Which country is it, self_liar ? Aug 20 19:47
neighborlee because windows for many, is adequate..people want a reason to switch Aug 20 19:47
self_liar schestowitz:for me windowz it’not adequate Aug 20 19:48
schestowitz neighborlee: if you’re in AU (not sure), then expect people to switch last. Developing countries are key. Gates and other ‘dug dealers’ admit this when they talk about ‘addicting’ children. Aug 20 19:48
self_liar schestowitz: and all windowz in desktop here is pirated Aug 20 19:48
neighborlee schestowitz, yup Aug 20 19:49
self_liar schestowitz: like the cigarretes campaing Aug 20 19:49
schestowitz self_liar: Microsoft makes little money in developing counties. It relies on those countries for “de facto standard” status. Aug 20 19:49
neighborlee yeah…very insideous Aug 20 19:49
schestowitz I could show you memos Microsoft sends about treating ‘piracy’ in Brazil. It’s ugly. Aug 20 19:49
self_liar schestowitz: can you show the memos? Aug 20 19:50
schestowitz Yes, I can try. I posted some in BN, but with 3700 posts it’ll take time to find. Aug 20 19:51
self_liar schestowitz: oh ,don t worry Aug 20 19:51
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self_liar schestowitz: i will find ,it’s not need to show Aug 20 19:51
schestowitz Try finding one from Joachim. Aug 20 19:51
schestowitz Joachim Kempin, that’s the chief with the dirty mouth. He shot down animals to death and got arrested some years ago. Aug 20 19:52
self_liar schestowitz: ok ,thanks ,i will find Aug 20 19:52
schestowitz Big Brother Ballmer just found: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/8/microsoft… Aug 20 19:53
schestowitz What makes this < http://blog.wired.com/business/… > laughable is the smears Microsoft uses against Google, claiming it is the devil for spying. Microsoft has off-site spyware as well: IE, Windows. Aug 20 19:55
MinceR they’re both the devil for spying Aug 20 19:56
schestowitz Microsoft turns WMP to spyware because of RealNetworks, according to RMS. Aug 20 19:56
schestowitz “But he started it!!!” Great logic right there. Aug 20 19:56
MinceR :D Aug 20 19:57
schestowitz Lot of Windows 7 vapouware announcements I see among the headlines right now (I bring them up as I go along very quickly :-) ). Aug 20 19:57
self_liar schestowitz: look at the wine page about homogeneous population Aug 20 19:58
schestowitz They must be feeling the heat if they make false promises. In their own words:In the face of strong competition, Evangelism’s focus may shift immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon as this Final Release of version X.” http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf Aug 20 19:58
schestowitz Got URL? Aug 20 19:58
self_liar schestowitz: wait a moment Aug 20 19:59
schestowitz MS goes bio-spying: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/828… Aug 20 19:59
self_liar http://www.winehq.org/site/why Aug 20 19:59
self_liar Yet, The US Department of Justice has “found” that Microsoft Windows is run by more than 95% of personal computers. Even taking Apple’s Mac OS into account, Microsoft Windows is still present on more than 80% of computers, and this is likely also true in most other countries, not just in the US. Thus governments, companies and home users all over the world ultimately depend on a single provider: Microsoft. Aug 20 19:59
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*schestowitz looks Aug 20 20:00
self_liar http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f… Aug 20 20:00
schestowitz A Web page for USDoJ is nice. Action would be nicer. DoJ is corrupt. Aug 20 20:01
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/23… Aug 20 20:01
self_liar schestowitz:M$ always spy users ,a lot of time Aug 20 20:03
self_liar schestowitz:windows, update, windows media player, IE, windows search Aug 20 20:03
schestowitz Here’e ZeeDee defending Microsoft with gentle words: http://www.electronista.com/arti… http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1533 Yeah, like Gates, who invites the Chinese leaders to his house, can’t intercept justice. This is ridiculous. And they contact the FTC in Taiwan. The FTC too is corrupt. Majoras et al… Aug 20 20:05
schestowitz self_liar: Yes, I know. Companies follow each others’ bad standards and the sufferers are all of us. Aug 20 20:06
self_liar schestowitz:in my coutry a lot of people are stupid Aug 20 20:07
schestowitz Some time ago I sent GL a headsup about Microsoft bloggers joining forces to spread marketing across the Web. I wonder if this news is related: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource… Aug 20 20:07
schestowitz ‘professional’-grade astroturfing? Aug 20 20:08
schestowitz self_liar: stupidity is everywhere. It’s a matter of focus. I’m stupid when it comes to lots of things. Aug 20 20:08
self_liar schestowitz: yes , but my people attacks the goverment instead of microsoft Aug 20 20:09
schestowitz The key is for techies to engage in coversation with — say — football buffs and explain to them about what we know better. Aug 20 20:09
schestowitz Same with pol;itics. Propaganda terms are used by the MAFIAA and software companies to pass new laws that politicians (lawyers) just can’t understand. Aug 20 20:10
schestowitz Is it Brazil? Aug 20 20:10
self_liar schestowitz: yes Aug 20 20:10
schestowitz Gilberto Gill is a hero. Aug 20 20:10
self_liar schestowitz: for example Aug 20 20:10
schestowitz Gil Aug 20 20:10
schestowitz He should be made PM, not minister of culture. A country needs culture, not lawyers and economists. Aug 20 20:11
self_liar schestowitz: Ther a law here which enforce all ISP backup infos about users Aug 20 20:11
self_liar schestowitz: for me it’s not a great problem Aug 20 20:11
self_liar schestowitz: microsoft always do this Aug 20 20:12
schestowitz Videos @ Aug 20 20:12
schestowitz http://www.archive.org/search.ph… Aug 20 20:12
self_liar schestowitz: but my people hate  de goverment instead of microsoft Aug 20 20:12
schestowitz self_liar: I was going to write about it today. I posted 2 links about the situation in Brazil yesterday. Aug 20 20:12
schestowitz Gates visited Brazil some time ago. I think he signed some ‘special’ deal. Aug 20 20:13
self_liar schestowitz: do you know about this? Aug 20 20:14
schestowitz Description of the original: Bill Gates and Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva in Davos. Photo:ABr. Date:Jan/26/2003. http://commons.wikimedia… Aug 20 20:14
schestowitz I don’t know much about the relationships there, no. Aug 20 20:15
self_liar schestowitz: i will find more info about this Aug 20 20:15
self_liar i need to go Aug 20 20:15
self_liar bye Aug 20 20:15
schestowitz See you. Aug 20 20:15
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schestowitz A Microsoft exec takes over VMWarer and h00pla! http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/ar… “VMware, Microsoft Decide to Play Nice [...] Virtualization newbie Microsoft and market leader VMware play nice, up to a point, with validation program. “ Aug 20 20:18
neighborlee schestowitz, isn’t a big part of defense of mono, that to legally abide with using it you must download from novel, which violates gpl ,,or am I missing something as im getting ready to post something on ubuntu Aug 20 20:21
neighborlee its   tricky following all of this and looking like you know what your talking about LOL Aug 20 20:21
schestowitz No, that’s Moonlight. Aug 20 20:21
neighborlee sigh Aug 20 20:21
neighborlee no i mean the novel/M$ deal Aug 20 20:21
schestowitz Moonight you need to get from Novell and ‘protection’ is not there. Mono is another issue and the lead developer/manager of the Silverlight team admitted that Mono is only ‘safe’ for Novell customers. Aug 20 20:23
neighborlee ok so it applies to both them Aug 20 20:23
neighborlee ok so it applies to both then Aug 20 20:23
neighborlee ok thx Aug 20 20:23
schestowitz Blech! http://www.networkworld.com/news/2… http://news.zdnet.co.uk/softwar… Aug 20 20:24
schestowitz Yes, in a way. Moonlight depends on Mono, too. Aug 20 20:24
neighborlee do you have url for where silverlight manager admitted this mono thing Aug 20 20:25
schestowitz Yes, hold on. Aug 20 20:25
neighborlee kewl thx Aug 20 20:25
schestowitz “Moonlight is usable for anyone on any distribution of Linux (redhat, ubuntu, etc.) — it is not limited just to Novell as Mono is.” Aug 20 20:26
schestowitz -Brian Goldfarb [Microsoft] Aug 20 20:26
schestowitz It’s in ZDNet. Aug 20 20:26
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schestowitz http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-105… Aug 20 20:26
neighborlee ok thx Aug 20 20:27
schestowitz This links should work: http://talkback.zdnet.com/52… Aug 20 20:28
schestowitz Grrrrr…. once again Microsoft uses Bollywood to play up its products. Yash Raj Films Partners with Microsoft Xbox 360 for Bachna Ae Haseeno – http://www.gameguru.in/microsoft-xbo… Aug 20 20:30
neighborlee well Aug 20 20:36
neighborlee they are doing what they can to ressurerect a dieing breed Aug 20 20:36
neighborlee Wii is ruling them all atm, faict Aug 20 20:36
neighborlee between wii, wiifit, wiisports etc.,etc, and the much lower price I think they are all sufffering quite alot. Aug 20 20:37
neighborlee I know, having a wii, how incredibly immersive it is ;)) Aug 20 20:37
schestowitz I would choose a Wii Aug 20 20:37
schestowitz The controller makes it a new experience. Aug 20 20:37
neighborlee thats what did it for me yes Aug 20 20:38
neighborlee that and the accessible simple’ish gameplay for everyone Aug 20 20:38
neighborlee simple but quite effective. Aug 20 20:38
neighborlee wiisports I mean Aug 20 20:38
schestowitz The world needs a new paradigm… adults anyway. Aug 20 20:40
neighborlee well I never understood really , why having fun had to mean gore and blood and violence Aug 20 20:41
neighborlee its so not the case..ask any tennis player ;) Aug 20 20:41
*neighborlee of whom is one, since age 16 :)) Aug 20 20:42
neighborlee thats how wii hooked me ;))hah Aug 20 20:42
neighborlee line and sinker LOL Aug 20 20:42
neighborlee ive had it for over a year now , and I still love playing wiitennis, its that much fun ;)) Aug 20 20:42
schestowitz Violent games can be fun too. But the militgary fantasies are telly-imposed, I think. Aug 20 20:42
neighborlee well society is used to violent games, even though really one must admit they have no redeeming social value ;) Aug 20 20:43
neighborlee but yes clearly many are hooked on them for varoius reasons. Aug 20 20:43
neighborlee I didn’t grow up with a computer or such games..boring board games, so I was never hooked as the young of today are Aug 20 20:44
neighborlee trends Aug 20 20:45
schestowitz Mcirosoft is renowned for gore and violence… and sexual content. it gets in trouble for it. Aug 20 20:45
schestowitz Though I could list some examples here… Aug 20 20:45
neighborlee wasn’t aware of that at all Aug 20 20:45
neighborlee interesting Aug 20 20:46
neighborlee be nice if games that had such things, at least let you toggle them off Aug 20 20:46
neighborlee I can think of one game offhand that does..UT2004 Aug 20 20:46
schestowitz I’ll get your some readings… Aug 20 20:46
neighborlee kewl Aug 20 20:46
schestowitz British Government Fires Back at EA & Microsoft: http://www.thegamereviews.com/stor… Aug 20 20:48
schestowitz Halo 3 Korea Promotion Part 2 ~ ver1~ : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld… Aug 20 20:48
schestowitz Microsoft XBox Banned Commercials: http://www.mall.hk/news/2007/08/2… Aug 20 20:48
schestowitz UK advertising authority nixes Xbox 360 spot: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mic… Aug 20 20:48
schestowitz Viral Marketing Leads to Mock Gunfight: http://www.onthexbox.com/news981.html Aug 20 20:48
schestowitz WhatsWrongWithU: http://www.armchairempire.com/News/?p=187 Aug 20 20:48
schestowitz Those Microsoft Vista ads are really bizarre: http://www.adjab.com/2007/01/15/t… Aug 20 20:48
schestowitz Former Miss Austrlia to sex up IT industry: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4157506a28.html Aug 20 20:48
schestowitz So THIS is why people want Windows! : http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=388 Aug 20 20:48
neighborlee this mono thing from M$ silverlight lead show totallly put an end to this whole  ‘mono is ecma standard’ thing right ??? Aug 20 20:49
neighborlee if im understanding all this Aug 20 20:50
neighborlee its just alot to process ;) Aug 20 20:50
neighborlee even so, it violates gpl by making you get source from one location , if I read correctly. Aug 20 20:51
schestowitz neighborlee yes, Moonlight is analysed in Groklaw, too. The SFLC does not like it. Aug 20 20:51
schestowitz neighborlee: Moonlight needs binary codecs for compatibility. That’s downstream code (well, binary) from Mcirosoft. Aug 20 20:52
neighborlee EEK Aug 20 20:52
neighborlee talk about a mess LOL Aug 20 20:52
neighborlee ohhh but its ok to use LOL Aug 20 20:52
neighborlee it just keeps getting better ;) Aug 20 20:52
schestowitz Are you discussing this in Ubuntu Forums? Aug 20 20:53
neighborlee not yet Aug 20 20:53
neighborlee I was preparing properly  to avoid ambush :)-0 Aug 20 20:53
neighborlee http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=… Aug 20 20:54
neighborlee need to  rsepoind toLaRoza ,,who claims mono follows ecma standard lol Aug 20 20:54
schestowitz Watch this troll comment: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Gno… Aug 20 20:55
schestowitz I spotted it after seeing this article: http://www.linux.com/feed/145352 Aug 20 20:56
schestowitz I’m sick on Mono boosters on the Web. Some are paid “Evangelist” from Microsoft. I saw some signing that way when boosting Silverlight. Aug 20 20:56
trmanco I’ve heard that there is a new version of moonlight Aug 20 21:01
trmanco Looks like the team developing it is all fired up *shame* Aug 20 21:02
schestowitz I’ve also heard there’s a new pickle in the neighbour’s jar. :-) Aug 20 21:02
trmanco :P Aug 20 21:02
schestowitz What do you mean by fired up? Aug 20 21:03
trmanco they are really on to it Aug 20 21:03
schestowitz Actually, based on Jason Perlow’s coversation with Miguel, things stood in the way and Moonlight _LOST_ steam. Aug 20 21:03
schestowitz I can find this if needed. Aug 20 21:03
schestowitz Found it. “And sadly, there are very few people willing to contribute to make this happen on time.”” Aug 20 21:05
trmanco sure, I would love to take a peak on that, if you don’t mind finding it Aug 20 21:05
schestowitz http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9214 Aug 20 21:05
trmanco thanks Aug 20 21:05
schestowitz But right now, Moonlight only supports Silverlight 1.0 apps, and NBCOlympics.com is implemented using 2.0. As Novell’s chief Mono/Moonlight developer, Miguel de Icaza told me several weeks ago before the NBCOlympics content launch, “Work on this has started, but it will take a lot of work. And sadly, there are very few people willing to contribute to make this happen on time.” Aug 20 21:05
schestowitz I hope that some SUSE/Novell devs will sober up and realise what they do to F/LOSS Aug 20 21:06
trmanco “Work on this has started, but it will take a lot of work. And sadly, there are very few people willing to contribute to make this happen on time.” oh really, no wonder :| Aug 20 21:07
trmanco who is going to contribute to such a thing? Aug 20 21:07
schestowitz Microsoft? Aug 20 21:08
trmanco well, yes Aug 20 21:08
trmanco but they are the creators, right? Aug 20 21:09
schestowitz I don’t know if they put money into it, but they sure give documentation. They need Novell to pretend that Silverlight is crossplatform**, for the regulators. Aug 20 21:09
trmanco *pretend* :) Aug 20 21:09
schestowitz [**] (small prints -  just some trashy second-class catch-up work because GNU/Linux is Microsoft’s #1 threat to sabotage). Aug 20 21:09
neighborlee schestowitz, what LOL Aug 20 21:10
neighborlee thougy I do like pickles lol Aug 20 21:10
schestowitz Well, the neighbour’s pickle you can’t have. Ballmer would wrestle you for it. Aug 20 21:13
schestowitz And that’s Moonlight. It’s a piece of cheese in an open…………….. bear trap. Aug 20 21:14
trmanco Remember when Ballmer was received in Hungary with eggs thrown at his face? Aug 20 21:16
*MinceR remembers Aug 20 21:17
MinceR (i’m hungarian) Aug 20 21:17
schestowitz Hahaha, http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/27688/ Aug 20 21:17
trmanco Well, I loved that Aug 20 21:17
schestowitz MinceR: seen the latest action against MS i Hungary? Just days/weeks old… Aug 20 21:18
trmanco I hope it happens more often, but with different *objects* Aug 20 21:18
trmanco schestowitz: you are getting famous Aug 20 21:18
schestowitz Na… in LXer there was some BN haters. Aug 20 21:19
schestowitz The good news is that *EVEN* LXer is changing its view. Aug 20 21:19
schestowitz The people in Linux Today, by contast, seem to love my posts most of the time. Digg also. It’s just some people in LXer who defend(ed) Mono. Aug 20 21:19
trmanco maybe devs? Aug 20 21:20
schestowitz Maybe. I don’t know them. Aug 20 21:20
trmanco or some people contributing to the m*no project Aug 20 21:20
schestowitz Some are German, so they are protective of S.u.S.E. Aug 20 21:20
MinceR i’m not sure which action was latest Aug 20 21:21
schestowitz In FSDaily it’s a different story. There’s no defence of Novell there. Same in Linux Today. I don’t know why, but the crowds are different. Groklaw people are also OK with BN. Aug 20 21:21
trmanco SuSe use te be a good distro a couple of years back Aug 20 21:21
schestowitz It still is, technically speaking. Aug 20 21:21
trmanco well yes Aug 20 21:21
schestowitz Susan Linton reckons it’s better than Mandriva ATM, having been the opposite a year ago. Aug 20 21:22
trmanco to bad the company supporting it is going to the wrong side Aug 20 21:22
schestowitz it’s not surprising. Aug 20 21:22
schestowitz Microsoft needed to grab a potetial leader Aug 20 21:22
schestowitz *potential Aug 20 21:22
trmanco I can still remember when a teacher of mine told me that Novell was an awesome to the GNU/Linux community Aug 20 21:23
schestowitz “hIt’s just business for Microsoft, and business is better when Linux is limping. So Microsoft is trying to kill off the Linux market leader by giving Novell a compelling differentiator. The day that Novell becomes a threat to Microsoft’s business, however, is the day that the deal is shut down.” ttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10020866-16.html Aug 20 21:23
MinceR afaik suse has always been reputed to be a bad distro Aug 20 21:23
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10… Aug 20 21:23
trmanco MinceR: not here Aug 20 21:23
schestowitz No, not as far as I know. It’s advanced. Was always KDE-based, admins-oriented. Aug 20 21:23
schestowitz That’s why I like Juna’s blog: http://www.junauza.com/2008/08/… Aug 20 21:25
schestowitz Wow! This is big: http://www.groklaw.net/artic… Aug 20 21:29
schestowitz “SCO was enjoined from making certain claims in Germany, and it signed an agreement in 2003 not to say them there, because its alternate choice was to have to prove them immediately, so it chose silence. As a result, SCO can’t say in Germany that Linux violates SCO’s IP or that end users could be liable for violations of SCO’s intellectual property or that Linux is an unauthorized derivative of UNIX. Unless it can prove it.” Aug 20 21:29
schestowitz I knew about these German laws. If true and generally applicable, Microsoft can be sued for slander (against Linux) in Germany. Aug 20 21:30
trmanco I hope so Aug 20 21:30
schestowitz I have a PDF somewhere which talks about this German law (should be expanded elsewhere). Aug 20 21:30
neighborlee welll, yes suse is a lovely installer,,but too bad their political ties or backwards indeed Aug 20 21:31
schestowitz If SCO was working at the behest of Microsoft, that’s another potential fine and public embarrassment that exceeds SCO’s balance sheet (pink slip). Aug 20 21:31
schestowitz I had SUSE on all my machines before the deal was signed. Aug 20 21:31
schestowitz The most impactful writeup (for me at least) was the post from Bruce Perens. Later came his petition. Aug 20 21:31
schestowitz Weird and inaccurate pick for Susan’s standards… strange: v Aug 20 21:37
schestowitz http://blackravenplace.net76.net/blog6… Aug 20 21:37
schestowitz This guy mentions BoycottNovell, but it’s not the first time that he criticises the site. Whatever. Let him defend Mono. http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2008/08/fanb… Aug 20 21:38
twitter yes, shame on Intel. Aug 20 22:17
*schestowitz runs AMD. Twice. Dual. AMD is no saint, but the lesser of the two evils. Aug 20 22:18
*Ziggyfish (n=brendan@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 20 22:18
neighborlee well at least they now own ati, which is trying to work with oss…im curious if it will cause nvida to consider similar options Aug 20 22:33
trmanco a have an intel cpu and an ati graphics card :| Aug 20 22:34
schestowitz AMD has just added overclocking support. Aug 20 22:34
trmanco when I bought mu computer I never heard of FOSS Aug 20 22:35
trmanco :| Aug 20 22:35
trmanco my* Aug 20 22:35
MinceR i have an intel cpu and an nvidia gpu Aug 20 22:36
twitter Here’s more money down the corruption hole:  http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=… Aug 20 22:38
schestowitz \At least boycottnovell is mentioned, so they don’t get away without criticism. Aug 20 22:40
twitter where? Aug 20 22:45
schestowitz I saw one hypelinks and som e text. I didn’t unfold any comments though. We always appear somewhere in /. when there’s a story about Novell. Sometimes Shane jumps in too. Aug 20 22:46
twitter comments look like a crap flood to me.  One AC, way down, linked to BN.  You had to go through some really nasty stuff to get there. Aug 20 22:48
schestowitz What nasty stuff? I didn’t read. I just did a “find as you type”. Aug 20 22:49
twitter The second post, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl… Aug 20 22:49
schestowitz Slashdot should ban and delete again. Didn’t they ‘clean up’? Aug 20 22:51
twitter :) here’s a nice top post:  http://slashdot.org/comments.pl… Aug 20 22:57
twitter ha ha. Aug 20 22:57
schestowitz Is that you?!? Aug 20 22:58
twitter Sure Aug 20 22:59
twitter I can’t believe the crap flood left open that slot. Aug 20 22:59
twitter Got some specific links to coupon stories?  A follow up will be nice and cost them more mod points when they bury it. Aug 20 23:00
schestowitz Coupon stories? Sure. Aug 20 23:02
schestowitz How’s this one? http://boycottnovell.com/2007/03/… Aug 20 23:03
*dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 20 23:13
schestowitz Hey, DOUGMan Aug 20 23:14
twitter thanks. Aug 20 23:30
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