| schestowitz | http://www.syzygeist.com/syzygeist... | Oct 03 00:02 |
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| tessier | So, is MS bankrupt yet? | Oct 03 04:01 |
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| twitter | Going into debt and Sweaty Beast is begging for a bail out. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213521 | Oct 03 04:06 |
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| twitter | Poor little M$ might not make market expectations. | Oct 03 04:06 |
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| tessier | MS it not going into debt | Oct 03 05:40 |
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| tessier | I really dislike MS but you guys are often way off in your doomsaying. :( | Oct 03 05:46 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Oct 03 06:35 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: Microsoft has approved borrowing money as its balance sheet approaches zero, mainly due to buybacks. There are different ways of presenting this (and the reasons). | Oct 03 07:24 |
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| schestowitz | :-S http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10054770-... | Oct 03 08:12 |
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| schestowitz | Old Mono poll (found by accident): How often do we need GNU/Linux releases? | Oct 03 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. It's here: http://www.newmobilecomputing.com... | Oct 03 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://allafrica.com/stories/200810020292.html | Oct 03 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | Perens versus patent law now: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2952 | Oct 03 10:07 |
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| tuxmania | nice chat applet =) | Oct 03 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | Hi there. | Oct 03 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | Is Microsoft trying to take control of ODF? http://www.heise-online.co.uk... | Oct 03 10:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.eracc.com/2008/10/01/ad... "I again contacted Kelly Murphy of A&R Edelman, a PR firm handling Adobe’s media inquiries, and asked her assistance. Kelly was kind enough to get answers to your questions. Well, what passes for answers from big, corporate entities with policies in place as to what can be said and when it can be said." | Oct 03 10:35 |
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| schestowitz | That's the same Edelman that's boycotted by some (IIRC) for AstroTurfing services... serving Microsoft. Shame on Adobe for feeding that sc*m. | Oct 03 10:36 |
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| MinceR | adobe is scum itself too | Oct 03 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | Well... http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&am... | Oct 03 11:11 |
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| omegatest | hi | Oct 03 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | Hi there, what's up? | Oct 03 11:58 |
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| omegatest | I see you are totally against the mono project. From my prespective and what I've read about it, I agree that it can be a "patent trap". But what about dotGnu? Can it be a trpa too? | Oct 03 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not a fan of it, but dotGn | Oct 03 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not a fan of it, but dotGnu is there to run .NET applications, not to actually build the GNOME desktop | Oct 03 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's the question of backward engineering (like Wine) versus choice of a development platform. | Oct 03 12:02 |
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| omegatest | I see there are a lot of rummors pointing a future version of Gnome developed with that. But ist it a de Icaza's dream or it will happen? | Oct 03 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | Some people in GNOME deny it, but the practical dependency increases. Novell makes 'surrogate' apps like banshee, which distro packagers might foolishly include by default. | Oct 03 12:05 |
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| omegatest | OK, thanks | Oct 03 12:07 |
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| zoobab | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/new... | Oct 03 12:18 |
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| zoobab | means stricter rules for evalutating patents | Oct 03 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | BN is going titsup. It's almost impossible to leave comments now (errors) due to gigabytes of downloads. | Oct 03 12:21 |
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| zoobab | titsup? | Oct 03 13:05 |
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| kentma | broken | Oct 03 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: maybe you can set up a torrent? | Oct 03 13:11 |
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| *brunomiguel sick with the stink in Portugal. It smells Ballmer in here (Portugal). :S | Oct 03 15:13 |
| MinceR | sounds like another bribe visit | Oct 03 15:21 |
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| brunomiguel | well.... yeah | Oct 03 15:22 |
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| brunomiguel | the portuguese parliament is about to vote the approval of open standards and I fear that this visit will stop that and give a boost to the dh'ooxml crap | Oct 03 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: not "bribe"... incentives. | Oct 03 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | You give, you get | Oct 03 15:23 |
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| MinceR | personal incentives | Oct 03 15:24 |
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| MinceR | you screw your country, you get an envelope full of money. | Oct 03 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Earlier today in Groklaw: " * Microsoft to open research centers in Europe | Oct 03 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | * 12:02AM October 10/03/08, 2008 | Oct 03 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | * Steven Ballmer, the Microsoft chief executive, said at a news conference here that the three "centers of excellence," to be based near Paris, in London and in Munich, would employ several hundred people all together. | Oct 03 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | He declined to say how much the company would invest. But Microsoft, which has fought pitched battles with European regulators over its Windows operating system, said it was making a major commitment to Europe at a time when many companies were nervous about spending on new projects. | Oct 03 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | [PJ: Hmm. France, Germany and UK. I can't shake the nagging memory that these three helped out with their OOXML votes.] - Eric Pfanner, IHT " | Oct 03 15:24 |
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| brunomiguel | that's a distortion of the free software mantra - give and get | Oct 03 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | It was the same suspicion in other countries. Let me find it. | Oct 03 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Here: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php... Have a look. | Oct 03 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | The Czech Republic, the UK, Germany, Denmark, Finland and Norway all voted to approve OOXML." | Oct 03 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | "This was a change for each of them. In September, the Czech Republic, the UK, Denmark, and Norway had voted to disapprove, so this was a change in Microsoft's favor. Finland abstained in September, and it voted to approve in March as well." | Oct 03 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | "They all changed to approve, in other words, and now they are on the opening list of beneficiaries of Microsoft's beneficence, for which it is so well-known." | Oct 03 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | "So. What do you think of my theory? There's an article in Shoot's May edition, page 14, about the new branding campaign, and it calls it a "global" campaign, with "viral videos playing in four countries" already, the UK, Germany, France and Australia, showing young people who have benefited from the "Microsoft Learning Center"." | Oct 03 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | "So who isn't on the list of recipients? I see no young people from India, which voted against OOXML and criticized the process but where young people could probably use some help. Where's New Zealand, which voted no? South Africa, which not only voted no but filed an official appeal of the OOXML approval? They don't need help for young people there? The other countries that voted No, like China, Venezuela, Canada, Ecuador? Don't g | Oct 03 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | et me wrong. I'm not hoping Microsoft spreads its technology to young people anywhere. I'm just saying." | Oct 03 15:26 |
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| brunomiguel | it's like on of those clinics for junkies get their fix | Oct 03 15:26 |
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| brunomiguel | with nurses, doctors and clean needles | Oct 03 15:27 |
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| brunomiguel | but this ones have butchers | Oct 03 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | Bear in mind that Microsoft spoke to presidents to push the OOXML agenda (e.g. the French president... Mexico for a known fact) | Oct 03 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | Gates and Ballmer phones diplomats, so I suspect there was an exchange of some favour. "Do me one... I'll do one for you later" | Oct 03 15:28 |
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| brunomiguel | probably, when some terms end, they will work for microsoft... | Oct 03 15:29 |
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| brunomiguel | or something like that | Oct 03 15:29 |
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| brunomiguel | it wouldn't be the first time a politician would help a company and ended up working for that company a few years later | Oct 03 15:30 |
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| twitter | M$ Learning Centers. That's got to feel like getting a new KGB office in town. | Oct 03 15:30 |
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| twitter | Hundreds of people employed to spy on your neighbors! Nice. | Oct 03 15:30 |
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| twitter | Spread the ruin. | Oct 03 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | Campaign contributions are good means for bribes. Pet charities are another. | Oct 03 15:31 |
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| brunomiguel | that's the essence of dictatorware | Oct 03 15:31 |
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| brunomiguel | look @ skype and the chinese regime | Oct 03 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | brunomiguel: yes, there are reports about it now. | Oct 03 15:32 |
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| twitter | They always take more than they give. | Oct 03 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index... http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/10/02/skyp... | Oct 03 15:32 |
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| twitter | Is BN under DoS attack? | Oct 03 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | Use excuses like "terrorism" for everything. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives... | Oct 03 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: no, why? | Oct 03 15:33 |
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| trmanco | twitter, I don't think so | Oct 03 15:33 |
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| twitter | You mentioned GB of download activity. | Oct 03 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but the site is just slow and it spews up some errors. It's still up. | Oct 03 15:33 |
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| twitter | I just hope it's all legitimate and not crap from a bot net | Oct 03 15:33 |
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| twitter | Cool | Oct 03 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, it's the OOXML thing. | Oct 03 15:33 |
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| twitter | I had not noticed a performance problem. | Oct 03 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1... | Oct 03 15:34 |
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| twitter | The OOXML reporting was very good, thanks. | Oct 03 15:34 |
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| twitter | You might spare yourself some bandwith by labeling the OOXML pdf as the 5000 page monster it is. | Oct 03 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | I think it's a one-day thing, so it's tolerable for now. | Oct 03 15:40 |
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| MinceR | bittorrent could help | Oct 03 15:41 |
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| ld50 | schestowitz, ballmer had a meeting today with the portugues prime minister: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/i... | Oct 03 15:43 |
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| ld50 | schestowitz, to put MS software on 50$ notebooks | Oct 03 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | Of course... | Oct 03 15:44 |
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| brunomiguel | ld50: correction: to put *more* MS software | Oct 03 15:44 |
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| ld50 | schestowitz, its curious to see novell in the background of this picture: http://diario.iol.pt/tecnologia/steve-balm..., this news doesnt have nothing to do with novell :P | Oct 03 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | But, but.... :-) I though Ballmer just came there for routine 'business trip' purposes. | Oct 03 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | Are you now telling me that state-funded computing are being subjected to manipulation by the man who wants to "f* kill Google and f* bury that pu* [Google's CEO]"? | Oct 03 15:46 |
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| ld50 | brunomiguel, socrates is such an asshole, he nearly worshiped ballmer | Oct 03 15:46 |
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| brunomiguel | ld50: i wouldn't say that | Oct 03 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | I can't see a picture of Novell. | Oct 03 15:47 |
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| brunomiguel | but i seems to like microsoft a lot... | Oct 03 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | They love money. | Oct 03 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | The companies are 'details'. They just small the $$. | Oct 03 15:47 |
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| brunomiguel | even i like money | Oct 03 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | *smell | Oct 03 15:47 |
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| ld50 | schestowitz, behind ballmer, where it says Microsoft Novell | Oct 03 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | In Ballmer's case, it might not be just money that they smell, but there ya go... | Oct 03 15:48 |
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| brunomiguel | but i have standards, principles | Oct 03 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | ld50: I see no pictures in that page. | Oct 03 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | Oh. | Oct 03 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | It says page not found. | Oct 03 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://diario.iol.pt/tecnologia/steve-balmer-jo... | Oct 03 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | It was the dot at the end. | Oct 03 15:49 |
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| twitter | Why did you link to this article? http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/serendipity/archives/... | Oct 03 15:49 |
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| ld50 | schestowitz, that article was one week before he came to Portugal, so the image might be out of context | Oct 03 15:50 |
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| twitter | It reads like a troll. | Oct 03 15:50 |
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| twitter | A comment on the page says, "Congratulations on finding probably the biggest bit of SVG that hasn't had an act1" | Oct 03 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | "Congratulations on finding probably the biggest bit of SVG that hasn't had an actual artist work on it. This huge undertaking on KsCD was done by a small group of university students as part of their class studies; it needs a nice SVG to make it look good, but none of the artists have yet had time to do so." | Oct 03 15:51 |
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| trmanco | meh | Oct 03 15:51 |
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| trmanco | it stinks outside | Oct 03 15:51 |
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| twitter | thanks | Oct 03 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | ld50: yes, it's out of context. But Microsoft is a 'Linux company' now, or that's how it wants to be perceived in the EU.... because of Neelie and those other 'pests'... | Oct 03 15:52 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, that 1080.pdf need a mirror :P | Oct 03 16:11 |
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| trmanco | needs | Oct 03 16:11 |
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| ld50 | schestowitz, this one's from today :P http://diario.iol.pt/artmedia.... | Oct 03 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: is it slow? | Oct 03 16:12 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 03 16:12 |
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| trmanco | 20KB/s here | Oct 03 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco/ brunomiguel / ld50 : can you find English articles/translations showing what Ballmer is up to? | Oct 03 16:13 |
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| trmanco | We can try | Oct 03 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | To be documented for future reference. | Oct 03 16:13 |
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| trmanco | but I don't really think we are going to have any success | Oct 03 16:13 |
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| ld50 | schestowitz, the first like is in english, the reuters one | Oct 03 16:14 |
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| ld50 | *link | Oct 03 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | Reuters is very Microsoft-amiable, but still... | Oct 03 16:14 |
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| ld50 | schestowitz, http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/20... | Oct 03 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | What a... coincidence. | Oct 03 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Is this also related to the Venezuela deployment? | Oct 03 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates and Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer announced significant Microsoft investment in the Magellan Initiative through the Microsoft Unlimited Potential program | Oct 03 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | That's your tax money going into funding children's addiction to Microsoft so that Microsoft will be paid by them when it grows up. | Oct 03 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | And I bet those in Portugal who understand this are up in arms. | Oct 03 16:18 |
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| ld50 | yes, its not only cheap software MS is offering, they will give a "microsoft digital literacy CV" to every portuguese | Oct 03 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | "microsoft digital literacy" = start menu, Word, Blue E, Live@edu, etc. | Oct 03 16:22 |
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| brunomiguel | http://tek.sapo.pt/opiniao/1_pergunta_a... | Oct 03 16:30 |
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| trmanco | http://blogs.computerworld.com/when_linu... -> time to shut up the trolls on usenet | Oct 03 16:30 |
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| brunomiguel | http://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/computadores/b... | Oct 03 16:30 |
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| brunomiguel | there are in pt-PT, but you can translate them with google | Oct 03 16:30 |
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| trmanco | gee | Oct 03 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. I'll post about it in half an hour. | Oct 03 16:31 |
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| trmanco | that stupid "kiddy netbook" has linux too, but no one likes to mention it | Oct 03 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | That's the illusion of choice. | Oct 03 16:32 |
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| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/pt.comp.s... | Oct 03 16:32 |
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| brunomiguel | more in pt-PT: | Oct 03 16:32 |
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| brunomiguel | http://tech4pc.net/portateis/magalhaes-e-e... | Oct 03 16:32 |
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| brunomiguel | http://www.portatilmagalhaes.com/portat... | Oct 03 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/intel/cl... | Oct 03 16:32 |
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| trmanco | already said something about it but no one replied | Oct 03 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | "The software "choice" is false" | Oct 03 16:32 |
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| trmanco | ... | Oct 03 16:33 |
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| *trmanco is waiting for the new wine dev release :P | Oct 03 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, brunomiguel. I'll include them all. | Oct 03 16:34 |
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| brunomiguel | yet another one in pt-PT: http://atuleirus.weblog.com.pt/a... | Oct 03 16:34 |
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| brunomiguel | schestowitz: could you please sanitise the irc logs, so that the hosts don't show up? | Oct 03 16:36 |
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| trmanco | "curiosamente, é também hoje que se a inicia a Semana do Open Office em Portugal, com uma apresentação da versão 3.0 no Forum Picoas, em Lisboa; mas a essa não se dá destaque - não é "Microsoft driven"." | Oct 03 16:36 |
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| brunomiguel | the irc logs in BN | Oct 03 16:36 |
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| trmanco | like this | Oct 03 16:36 |
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| trmanco | I like that quote | Oct 03 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | Sure, will do! | Oct 03 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | brunomiguel: Sure, will do! | Oct 03 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | But it needs to be done manually, so hard to do on a daily basis. | Oct 03 16:38 |
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| brunomiguel | a script could help | Oct 03 16:39 |
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| brunomiguel | icecat 3.0.3 is in pt-PT :) http://www.fsdaily.com/EndUser/Icecat_3_0... | Oct 03 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | I use a Python one. Need to operate on the raw logs then. | Oct 03 16:39 |
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| *trmanco is reading a 5570 page pdf file | Oct 03 16:40 |
| schestowitz | You need to borrow Blue Gene for that? | Oct 03 16:42 |
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| trmanco | Creator: Microsoft€® Office Word 2007 | Oct 03 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | OOXML, made by OOXML. | Oct 03 16:42 |
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| trmanco | grr | Oct 03 16:42 |
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| trmanco | need to make it smaller so I can upload it to google docs | Oct 03 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | Check the date. Might be affected by a fictional leap year... | Oct 03 16:42 |
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| trmanco | 12 September | Oct 03 16:42 |
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| ld50 | trmanco, heres how to make a pdf smaller: http://rafb.net/p/Rwvk1S86.html | Oct 03 16:43 |
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| trmanco | thanks | Oct 03 16:44 |
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| trmanco | evince is crashing on me | Oct 03 16:44 |
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| trmanco | ooxml crap :| | Oct 03 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | It needs a Vista-capable box.. maybe. | Oct 03 16:45 |
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| trmanco | grrr | Oct 03 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | Just so that I get this right, those laptops are partly funded by the Portuguese government, right? | Oct 03 16:46 |
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| trmanco | what | Oct 03 16:46 |
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| trmanco | those classmates? | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | Is it true? | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | 50 Euros?? | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| brunomiguel | just for students, if i recall it right | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| trmanco | not quite sure | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| trmanco | but yes | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| brunomiguel | and elders | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | They also grant monopolies/franchise to companies that will make a bundle from their affiliation with Microsoft. | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| brunomiguel | the project is not a governamental project | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| trmanco | it cost 280 € if you normally buy it | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| brunomiguel | that needs to be said | Oct 03 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | That's corruption of a fairly high order when the government blindly passes all that public money... later to be 'compensated' for that choice, I'd imagine. | Oct 03 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | So if a student buys it, who pys? | Oct 03 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | In Nigeria Intel was dumping and the government chipped in too. | Oct 03 16:48 |
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| brunomiguel | his parents and the governament | Oct 03 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | Just to kill OLPC Intel tolerated losses and had the government put taxpayers' money in. | Oct 03 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | Ah! "and the government" | Oct 03 16:49 |
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| brunomiguel | the governament grabbed this chance to help kids get their first computer @ a low price. and to campain... | Oct 03 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | They don't give gifts. | Oct 03 16:49 |
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| brunomiguel | no free meals | Oct 03 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | They give digi^H^HMicrosoft literacy. | Oct 03 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | That's creating a dependence on vendors. It's not education. | Oct 03 16:49 |
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| brunomiguel | yeah | Oct 03 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | ...Not to mention what that vendor is... | Oct 03 16:50 |
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| brunomiguel | althought Magellanshas Caixa Mágica GNU/Linux, but it appears to be just to say they are pro-freesoftware | Oct 03 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | A monopoly abuser in many continents... people in jail for fraud... | Oct 03 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | brunomiguel: regarding Magellans, that's now that the press release is projecting. | Oct 03 16:52 |
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| brunomiguel | this is a good project transformed into a kinda-good-kinda-bad project | Oct 03 16:53 |
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| brunomiguel | only free software should be used by free governaments | Oct 03 16:53 |
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| brunomiguel | proprietary software is contrary to the democratic values | Oct 03 16:54 |
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| brunomiguel | so, no democracy should use or persue dictatorware | Oct 03 16:54 |
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| brunomiguel | not even a iDictatorPhone | Oct 03 16:54 |
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| brunomiguel | if Magellans only had free software, it would be an awsome project | Oct 03 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | The choice between having choice and having no choice. | Oct 03 16:55 |
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| ld50 | Magellans has dualboot, so you're (or the governemnt is) paying for windows, even if you dont use it | Oct 03 16:55 |
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| brunomiguel | and I'm including a free bios | Oct 03 16:55 |
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| brunomiguel | ld50: only windows is mentioned in the manual :S | Oct 03 16:55 |
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| brunomiguel | sickening... | Oct 03 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008... | Oct 03 16:56 |
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| ld50 | brunomiguel, i read it here: http://www.portatilmagalhaes.com/espec... | Oct 03 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | It's an exercise in diplomacy: http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/i... | Oct 03 16:57 |
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| brunomiguel | ld50: portatilmagalhaes.com is not an oficial magellans website | Oct 03 16:58 |
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| brunomiguel | but i'm not 100% sure | Oct 03 16:58 |
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| brunomiguel | anyone here knows how to change the host to something that doesn't reveal my ip? i'm using irssi | Oct 03 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | You could use mib (Web-based) or use some Web proxy. | Oct 03 17:01 |
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| brunomiguel | i have to use a proxy to get something like this? newsense/friend/pd | Oct 03 17:02 |
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| trmanco | use a bouncer | Oct 03 17:07 |
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| brunomiguel | i need a free shell account | Oct 03 17:07 |
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| brunomiguel | and i couldn't get one :\ | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| brunomiguel | :'( | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| trmanco | I have one | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| brunomiguel | no psybnc for me :| | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| brunomiguel | free host? | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| trmanco | I could set you a psybnc if you want | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| trmanco | no its paid | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| brunomiguel | no guita xD | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| trmanco | lol | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| trmanco | wait | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| brunomiguel | estou teso | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| brunomiguel | anyone for some KDE 4.x show? http://plasma.kde.org/media/plas... | Oct 03 17:10 |
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| trmanco | http://www.shellium.org/ | Oct 03 17:10 |
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| ld50 | hum, today is kde 4.1.2 day | Oct 03 17:11 |
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| trmanco | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2... | Oct 03 17:12 |
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| trmanco | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2... | Oct 03 17:12 |
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| *schestowitz writes a post about it ATM | Oct 03 17:13 |
| trmanco | gee | Oct 03 17:33 |
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| trmanco | I love my COLA killfile | Oct 03 17:33 |
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| trmanco | saves me a lot of time | Oct 03 17:33 |
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| trmanco | hey | Oct 03 17:34 |
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| trmanco | kde 4.1.2 is out | Oct 03 17:34 |
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| trmanco | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-a... | Oct 03 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Not a major release though. | Oct 03 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Okay, a post is now done: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/... | Oct 03 17:52 |
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| brunomiguel | schestowitz: i really like that last paragraph :) confucious would be proud | Oct 03 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Thanks. | Oct 03 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | Lack of direction confirmed: http://www.osnews.com/story/20349/Microsoft_Un... | Oct 03 18:00 |
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| brunomiguel | when a cloud became a swiss cheese... xD | Oct 03 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news... "Norway ISO members walk out over OOXML [...] In all, 13 of the committee's 23 members have resigned, a majority of the membership." | Oct 03 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | That leaves vacancies for more Microsoft puppets to take over. | Oct 03 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | Yahoo slashes staff numbers ... http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n... | Oct 03 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | Since when does anyone /chase/ Remond in HPC??? This headline makes a bad statement... http://www.channelregister.co.uk/20... | Oct 03 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Barclays breaks further rather than fix the issues.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10... | Oct 03 18:35 |
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| trmanco | Windows? | Oct 03 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. We think so. It was discussed the other day. Get a load of this: ZDNet published 7 article today. The majority of them are about Microsoft and good news. WTF? | Oct 03 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | To them, Microsoft is at the centre of the computing universe and everything else is marginal. | Oct 03 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Are they paying him to 'take over' another company...? http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10054988... | Oct 03 19:00 |
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| twitter | M$ needs good news to offset going into debt, declining stock prices and yet another quarter where they are going to miss expectations. | Oct 03 19:04 |
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| twitter | missing is a big deal because of the way they have traditionally slopped money around to hide losses. | Oct 03 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: your friend gets a break... http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10056282-93.ht... | Oct 03 19:04 |
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| twitter | M$ news is further and further detached from reality. | Oct 03 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | "In the face of strong competition, Evangelism's focus may shift immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon as this Final Release of version X." -- http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uplo... | Oct 03 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | That's how you know Microsoft is nervous: vapourware < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-100... > (not an actual product, just chatter) | Oct 03 19:08 |
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| twitter | All of their current products are failures. | Oct 03 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | Not all. Some are profitable. | Oct 03 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | Office is still very profitable although it's given for free in most countries. | Oct 03 19:09 |
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| twitter | No one likes the new office and it's ribbon interface. | Oct 03 19:10 |
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| schestowitz | Windows they give away for very cheap (via OEMs, sometimes almost for free). They also have a servers division (Exchange and all) that makes some profits, IIRC. | Oct 03 19:10 |
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| twitter | OO.org is going to eat their lunch. | Oct 03 19:10 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: on that I'd agree with you based on anything I've read. Sales of Office have unsurprisngly declines, despite the discounts. SAAS is hurting them as much as OOo and other FOSS. | Oct 03 19:11 |
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| twitter | Their profits are not enough for them as should be obvious with them sinking into debt. | Oct 03 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | Just found today: http://advice.cio.com/thomas_wailgum/p_g_fl... (P&G Flirts with Google Apps and Scares the Bejesus Out of Microsoft) | Oct 03 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | Cattle effect is Microsoft's issue here. If 10% if the businesses use SaaS for docs/spreadheets/E-mail/collab, there's more confidence in Google Apps (or others), so people drift away, not linearly. | Oct 03 19:12 |
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| twitter | M$ is in a death spiral. Their house of cards is based on hype. When they run out of money to bluster, they are out of luck. Their product line has been so bad that their bluster costs have risen beyond sustainable. | Oct 03 19:13 |
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| twitter | The cattle are busting down the gates. | Oct 03 19:13 |
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| twitter | Everyone now knows that M$==third rate | Oct 03 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | Google recently said that over a million businesses have adoped Google Apps, but Microsoft has better estimates. It just keeps the card closer to its chest. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/15... "Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux," he said. "How are we doing? Forty is less than 60, so I don't like it. ... We have some work to do." | Oct 03 19:14 |
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| twitter | The only thing keeping people on M$ is the perception of difficulty for people who leave. Any large number of defectors is fatal for them. | Oct 03 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://forums.macrumors.com/archive... | Oct 03 19:19 |
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| twitter | Oh crap, Steve Ballmer got his bailout. | Oct 03 19:20 |
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| twitter | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20... | Oct 03 19:21 |
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| twitter | Everybody gets one last bonus check before the next depression. | Oct 03 19:21 |
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| twitter | They get tax breaks too! | Oct 03 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Johnson was set to receive a $5 million signing bonus when he arrived at Juniper earlier this month and a base salary of $800,000 a year. http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10054988-7... | Oct 03 19:22 |
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| twitter | Executive over compesation | Oct 03 19:22 |
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| twitter | it's vulgar | Oct 03 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | I also wrote about this 'bonuses' backlash yesterday: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0... | Oct 03 19:22 |
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| twitter | saw that | Oct 03 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | Well, when they set the rules, tax is not a problem. Alertness from the public (or implosion) is all it takes to end this. The way things work, the bailout will take equal charges from the rich (who hardly feel the pinch) and the poor, who might have to find night jobs or something. | Oct 03 19:27 |
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| twitter | "the poor" already have night jobs, they need relief from the 27% interest house loans and refinances they suckered/forced into. | Oct 03 19:28 |
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| twitter | Americans already work more hours than any other country in the free world. They are so fucked over. | Oct 03 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | Well, the UK is also affected. | Oct 03 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&... | Oct 03 19:50 |
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| trmanco | "I have found out that the MochaSoft RDP client for the iPhone and iPod | Oct 03 19:51 |
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| trmanco | Touch, which is distributed commercially trough the apple App Store, is | Oct 03 19:51 |
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| trmanco | based on the GPL licensed rdesktop. " | Oct 03 19:51 |
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| trmanco | gee | Oct 03 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they resolved it. | Oct 03 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | Only after being reported to gpl-violations, AFAIK. | Oct 03 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | DDOS storm coming...? http://www.darkreading.com/blog.asp?bl... | Oct 03 20:03 |
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| *trmanco has quit ("I just hit the close button :)") | Oct 03 20:15 |
| twitter | ha ha, bailout and all Novell is back at $5.00 and going down. http://finance.google.com/fin... | Oct 03 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | The almighty analysts (shillnalysts) said Novell was a champion of all and running towards $7.5. Now they hide under a rock, as usual. They are just as dishonest as those fat cats, pumping their stocks, interests, and clients. | Oct 03 20:19 |
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| trmanco | nice one -> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0... | Oct 03 20:54 |
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| trmanco | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplan... | Oct 03 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | He misses the point totally. Microsoft ignored GNU/Linux *BECAUSE* of Moonlight. It said so. | Oct 03 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | ...When asked why Siiverlight itself was not ported to GNU/Linux... | Oct 03 21:01 |
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| trmanco | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200... | Oct 03 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's everywhere. | Oct 03 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | I'll put it on my posting pile/queue, so thanks! :-) | Oct 03 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | "ISO is facing a revolt from dissatisfied participants who feel that their technical input was ignored, and national standards bodies from various countries are suffering internal friction over alleged misconduct. The implosion of the Standards Norway technical committee reflects the ongoing turmoil created by the ambiguity surrounding ISO's approval of OOXML. " | Oct 03 21:10 |
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| trmanco | stupid OOXML standard :| | Oct 03 21:11 |
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| trmanco | it only came to cause problems | Oct 03 21:11 |
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| zoobab | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_... | Oct 03 21:12 |
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| trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/0... | Oct 03 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: serves Microsoft well though. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0... | Oct 03 21:14 |
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| trmanco | :| | Oct 03 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | About the licences, even MSuel de Icaza complained about it. | Oct 03 21:16 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 03 21:16 |
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| trmanco | back in 2007 | Oct 03 21:16 |
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| trmanco | oh no | Oct 03 21:16 |
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| trmanco | my bad | Oct 03 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | But today he thanked them (or yesterday) | Oct 03 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | Still playing wife with an abusive husband, that chap.. | Oct 03 21:17 |
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| trmanco | lol | Oct 03 21:18 |
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| trmanco | well looks like we have a newly discovered TCP flaw... | Oct 03 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't realise that Microsoft's patent trolls have already invaded India... http://www.livemint.com/2008/09/25001325/Contr... | Oct 03 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | "The company has already entered into agreements to buy patents from the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, and is close to signing an agreement with the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, India’s largest research and development organization, said a person familiar with the developments who did not want to be named." | Oct 03 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | That's disgusting and I bet they are willing to also break the law with software patents. What a bunch of bullies. | Oct 03 21:20 |
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| trmanco | ... | Oct 03 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | Boycott ISO is born. http://boycottiso.wikidot.com/ | Oct 03 21:23 |
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| trmanco | +500 patents for Microsoft | Oct 03 21:23 |
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| trmanco | zoobab is the admin | Oct 03 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | 20000+ | Oct 03 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122... http://www.livemint.com/2008/09/2500132... http://www.iam-magazine.com/blog/Detail.as... | Oct 03 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | Myhrvold = legal/extortion department, adjunct to Microsoft Corporation. | Oct 03 21:26 |
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| *schestowitz catching up with Digital Majority (so many good links, not enough to capture all though) | Oct 03 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Haha. This is brilliant: http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/draft | Oct 03 21:33 |
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| trmanco | lol | Oct 03 21:38 |
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| trmanco | can't be any easier | Oct 03 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Weird. | Oct 03 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | The Financial Times sent me an E-mail moments ago. Seems like they worry about reach. | Oct 03 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | They wanted me to help them form a partnership of something. I hate marketing people... | Oct 03 21:42 |
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| zoobab | http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/draft/view/4/ | Oct 03 21:47 |
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| zoobab | .win 19 | Oct 03 21:48 |
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| *schestowitz voted | Oct 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Wishlist item for DM: some tag to distinguish analysis/event/lawsuit/press release (settlement, granting of patent, etc.) | Oct 03 21:49 |
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| zoobab | normally it should be in the upcomin blog module of wikidot | Oct 03 21:50 |
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| zoobab | because the forum module sucks a lot | Oct 03 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe [tag]? | Oct 03 21:52 |
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| zoobab | tags are for pages | Oct 03 21:58 |
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| zoobab | for for forums posts | Oct 03 21:58 |
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| zoobab | Michal made the mistake to start using this forum module, instead of using the concept of "everything is a wiki page" | Oct 03 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Michal? | Oct 03 22:00 |
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| tessier_ | twitter: It will be a long time before MS runs out of money to bluster. | Oct 03 22:00 |
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| tessier_ | I've been watching for 15 years and they are richer than ever. | Oct 03 22:00 |
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| tessier_ | The stock buyback will reduce their cash pile but also reduce their liability to stockholders. | Oct 03 22:01 |
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| Wuju | hi guys | Oct 03 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Wuju, what's up? | Oct 03 22:03 |
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| Wuju | care to clear up my mind | Oct 03 22:03 |
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| Wuju | i use novell products | Oct 03 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | Which ones? | Oct 03 22:03 |
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| Wuju | nazi linux | Oct 03 22:03 |
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| Wuju | made by those dirty germans | Oct 03 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | Are you a troll? | Oct 03 22:05 |
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| Wuju | i am a woozle but i did not come here to troll. | Oct 03 22:05 |
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| Wuju | i said something you did not answer me | Oct 03 22:05 |
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| Wuju | tell me more about what has novell wronged. | Oct 03 22:06 |
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| Wuju | tell me something google doesnt know. | Oct 03 22:07 |
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| Wuju | to be honest i do not see it much of a deal | Oct 03 22:07 |
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| zoobab | http://www.acsa2000.net/ibm_title.jpg | Oct 03 22:11 |
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| zoobab | linux made by those dirty germans | Oct 03 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | I remember you using this image. | Oct 03 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | IBM=ODF. It's simpler to think of it that way. :-) | Oct 03 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | ODF vs. MS-OOXML = IBM vs. ISO | Oct 03 22:13 |
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| tessier_ | I think it is pretty sleezy to drag IBM through the mud for what happened in WWII | Oct 03 22:36 |
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| tessier_ | The people who did that are all dead now, including the IBM employees involved. | Oct 03 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | It's happening now with China. Yahoo, Microsoft and Google. | Oct 03 22:37 |
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| zoobab | "Controling or filtering content that goes through networks should be done"— Viviane Reding, European Commissioner | Oct 03 22:41 |
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| zoobab | http://www.silicon.fr/fr/news/2008/10/01... | Oct 03 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Same as yesterday? | Oct 03 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Soviet Internet, brought to you by Viviane Redingski. She's also playing with DRM fire. | Oct 03 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.defectivebydesign... | Oct 03 22:45 |
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| pombat42 | IBM is a very nasty company and they are certainly not to be trusted. The difference between them and Microsoft is that IBM learned years ago how to play the game and not get caught | Oct 03 23:48 |
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| pombat42 | Or get caught less frequently. | Oct 03 23:49 |
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