10.10.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 9th, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:30 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

schestowitz	Well going digital made a thirst for surveillance that’s affordable. Is it of much use? RoI? Very doubtful. No answers, no proof.	Oct 09 03:00
jose__	valuable marketing info	Oct 09 03:00
schestowitz	Some people at Microsoft are morbid in their minds — wanting to now log using cameras and stuff people’s every movement, thought, moods, etc.	Oct 09 03:00
twitter	It’s purpose is to identify, track and neutralize political and economic competition	Oct 09 03:01
schestowitz	Almlost as though they do reaearch on Bush contracts.	Oct 09 03:01
jose__	ms on every electronic device would put the government spying out of business	Oct 09 03:01
schestowitz	Phone serve as credit cards now.	Oct 09 03:02
twitter	At least one cable TV box has a camera capable of IDing those who watch.	Oct 09 03:02
schestowitz	OpenMoko should take the loads her.e	Oct 09 03:02
schestowitz	*lead here	Oct 09 03:02
jose__	this is why i don’t want microvell	Oct 09 03:02
schestowitz	Microsoft patent that.. “TV watches user”	Oct 09 03:03
twitter	free software should be demanded for all electronic devices or they will all be spys. RMS does not even use a cell phone because of abuse of the system	Oct 09 03:03
schestowitz	it’s easier to eavesdrop on mobiles.	Oct 09 03:03
schestowitz	So I’ve heard.	Oct 09 03:03
schestowitz	Private calls are better done on landline.	Oct 09 03:03
jose__	guys you are breathing too hard.. are you ok.. should i call the authorities to get a better diagnosis…	Oct 09 03:04
jose__	what was that movie with	Oct 09 03:04
jose__	jim carey about growing up under the watchful eye of the whole town?	Oct 09 03:04
twitter	All of them can be tapped. Cell phones have have the ability to record and transcribe before transmitting.	Oct 09 03:04
jose__	living in a fish bowl	Oct 09 03:05
jose__	well, gates won’t be inside it.. that’s the fringe benefit of cooperating	Oct 09 03:05
twitter	Cell phones can and have been used to record more than phone conversations	Oct 09 03:05
twitter	Gates has got to be one of the most watched people on Earth	Oct 09 03:05
jose__	don’t scientists love prodding animals in cages and such (the scientists inside each of us)	Oct 09 03:05
jose__	well, government figures would be in the drivers seat more..	Oct 09 03:06
jose__	but i’m sure private sector titans get freebies	Oct 09 03:06
schestowitz	I’m told by a professor in biology that human nature is to /control/ others.	Oct 09 03:06
jose__	a break from the watchful eyes for good behavior or something	Oct 09 03:07
schestowitz	A man’s primary satisfaction is to make other do things for him/her	Oct 09 03:07
jose__	it’s interesting	Oct 09 03:07
schestowitz	It’s something innate, apparently. Also among animals.	Oct 09 03:07
jose__	and you get an empowerment rush	Oct 09 03:07
schestowitz	That’s just why there’s litttle hope for ending corruption. People always want more power.	Oct 09 03:07
jose__	money gives you that power …allegedly	Oct 09 03:07
twitter	Ick. Finger the sky	Oct 09 03:07
jose__	oodles of money I mean	Oct 09 03:07
twitter	http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=126&a=8374	Oct 09 03:07
schestowitz	Even if that means breach of law (see Gates deposition best hits)	Oct 09 03:08
twitter	the biology professor’s culture lead him to think that, sad	Oct 09 03:08
jose__	i really need to force myself to go to sleep	Oct 09 03:09
twitter	sleep	Oct 09 03:09
jose__	no one here is helping	Oct 09 03:09
jose__	except you twitter	Oct 09 03:09
jose__	thanx	Oct 09 03:09
jose__	i shall obey	Oct 09 03:09
jose__	why didn’t you say so sooner	Oct 09 03:09
twitter	sleep	Oct 09 03:09
jose__	zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxcv hstfhb	Oct 09 03:09
schestowitz	gn guys. Thanks for the talk. I’m out	Oct 09 03:09
jose__	out here too	Oct 09 03:09
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twitter	I have a lot to do tomorrow and need to sleep too. Later.	Oct 09 03:11
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schestowitz	I sent a request for a Mono licence to Microsoft. The E-mail bounced. :-p	Oct 09 08:45
schestowitz	/Some/ industry… companies forced to pay their abusive monopolistic, bribing competitors: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/inde…	Oct 09 08:46
MinceR	r4wr	Oct 09 08:47
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schestowitz	IBM seems optimistic < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10062066-92.html >, confirming Jose’s claim that “fat” commerce survives while small ones die.	Oct 09 09:02
schestowitz	Facebooks sells out to manipulated, poor search: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/08…	Oct 09 09:06
schestowitz	http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21067/1063/ “ASUS confirmed it has experienced strong sales of both the Windows XP and Linux Eee PC versions.”	Oct 09 09:13
schestowitz	Turns out the LinuxToday issue was a CMS issue: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=20…	Oct 09 09:18
schestowitz	http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/64742.html	Oct 09 09:23
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schestowitz	Microsoft shill, funded by no small business, is lying to the public: http://blog.actonline.org/2008/10/yeah… (these people should be investigated by the FTC for AstroTurfing).	Oct 09 10:02
schestowitz	EFF site is down.	Oct 09 10:12
schestowitz	People should really use Netcraft, not Alexa (Alexa=win+ie+spyware+manipulative webmasters). Some guy thinks that Slashdot’s decline (it’s a Microsoft zoo) is bad news for Linux. The other thing is, more Linux sites are created, growing at the expense of ‘big ones’.	Oct 09 10:21
schestowitz	Mr. OpenSUSE steps down from the board: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/10/0…	Oct 09 10:31
schestowitz	debian.org was temporarily doqn	Oct 09 10:43
schestowitz	“amazing that corruption is excepted by the entire developed world. stunning that it has met with resistance only with some developing nations and maybe the european union. what should have been an overwhelming anger by all nations . the notion that developed nation are immune to corruption is bogus. microsoft did it in full view, without any hesitation. microsoft should be nailed for this.”	Oct 09 10:49
schestowitz	http://www.computerworlduk.com/community…	Oct 09 10:49
schestowitz	Glyn Moody said on Wednesday, 08 October 2008 : “Indeed: it will be interesting to see if developing nations can now take the initiative in terms of reframing the standards debate.”	Oct 09 10:49
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trmanco	lol	Oct 09 14:07
trmanco	I’m laughing with this -> “Poetry, copyright violation, and OOXML”	Oct 09 14:11
schestowitz	Where? Alex?	Oct 09 14:24
schestowitz	OOXML: the poetry of corruption and intellectual property traps.	Oct 09 14:25
trmanco	yes	Oct 09 14:26
schestowitz	Well, he made the point and the files are down.	Oct 09 14:30
schestowitz	I never bothered to even read them. They just circulated, so I threw copies on the server, not even bothering to try and open a 6,000-page beast.	Oct 09 14:31
schestowitz	I didn’t even realise that it was copyrighted (a standard?? Copyright?). Anyway. I realised this when the HTML version was produced (it showed up in each page).	Oct 09 14:32
kentma1	standards usually are copyrighted, but that doesn’t mean that they cannot be circulated of necessity. the ITU used to sell my ones, but they give them away now…	Oct 09 14:37
schestowitz	http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/oo…	Oct 09 14:40
schestowitz	The article does not mention that the files were removed after Brown’s reaction and it also isn’t aware of the fact that I didn’t open a 5,000+ page file to see the copyrights remarks. I was under the impression that it was private because it was not final and as it was already being passed around I decided to upload it.	Oct 09 14:42
schestowitz	What caused a lot of trouble is one of the readers deciding to put it on Slashdot.	Oct 09 14:43
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trmanco	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5930536	Oct 09 15:07
_Doug	Microsoft suffering from Google-envy ..	Oct 09 15:08
_Doug	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/08/da…	Oct 09 15:08
schestowitz	trmanco: I was just looking at that ACPI complaint an hour ago.	Oct 09 15:09
schestowitz	Put a quote at the bottom of: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1…	Oct 09 15:10
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_Doug	ASUS releases high-end S101 netbook ..	Oct 09 15:23
_Doug	http://www.electronista.com/articles…	Oct 09 15:23
_Doug	Top US lawyer hired to prepare Google-Yahoo anti-cartel case ..	Oct 09 15:25
_Doug	http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/s…	Oct 09 15:25
_Doug	But sees no problem with Microsoft-Yahoo ?	Oct 09 15:26
_Doug	“Novell invites you to THE DATA CENTER DISCOVERY TOUR 2008″	Oct 09 15:29
_Doug	“Reduce TCO by 50-70% by migrating SAP workloads from UNIX to SAP-optimised SUSE Linux Enterprise”	Oct 09 15:29
_Doug	?	Oct 09 15:29
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schestowitz	Microsoft is still pulling strings vs Google: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1…	Oct 09 15:29
_Doug	“Simplify your data center with the flexibility to seamlessly move virtual machines between Microsoft Windows and SUSE Linux Enterprise”	Oct 09 15:29
schestowitz	Funny thing is, you can show Microsoft hiring AstroTurfers here and even breaking laws, but call Microsoft a “criminal” and some AstroTurfers will shoe up mocking you.	Oct 09 15:30
schestowitz	They prepare the site _Doug	Oct 09 15:30
schestowitz	First they need to get around to changing all the pages.	Oct 09 15:30
schestowitz	In case Microsoft buys Novell for slash funds (market cap: $1.6B), then novell.com > novell.microsoft.com Quicker transition	Oct 09 15:31
_Doug	Program Compatibility Assist	Oct 09 15:34
_Doug	This program has known compatibility issues	Oct 09 15:34
_Doug	Check online to see if solutions are available from the Microsoft website ..	Oct 09 15:34
_Doug	Program: Adobe Acrobat 5	Oct 09 15:34
_Doug	Good GRIEF~1 .. can’t even view an old PDF .. without a nag screen	Oct 09 15:34
_Doug	Definition of Evangelism at Microsoft	Oct 09 15:36
_Doug	“Evangelism is the art and science of gettig developers to ship products that support Microsoft’s platform.”	Oct 09 15:36
_Doug	We are here to help MICROSOFT	Oct 09 15:37
_Doug	Enemies: other platform vendors ..	Oct 09 15:37
_Doug	I should have stuck at selling refrigeration solutions ..	Oct 09 15:39
schestowitz	Do they slog one another?	Oct 09 15:40
schestowitz	Do they hire proxy lawyer to attack … errr… fridges?	Oct 09 15:40
_Doug	No, but we don’t keep awake trying to think up ways of BOGUing each other	Oct 09 15:41
_Doug	“STRATEGY: Or, How to Kick Ass Witthout Breaking a Sweat”	Oct 09 15:42
schestowitz	Is that in this document? http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conte…	Oct 09 15:44
schestowitz	Which page?	Oct 09 15:44
_Doug	‘STRATEGY: “To win one hundred battles is not perfection; to subdue the enemy without fighting is perfection.” Sun-Tzu: The Art of War, written in China by Sun Wu in roughly 490 B.B.’	Oct 09 15:44
schestowitz	That I remember…	Oct 09 15:44
_Doug	Anyone watch ‘HEROS’ on television recently ?	Oct 09 15:44
schestowitz	“>Diversionary tactics, holding action, and retreats may each seem contrary to the achievement of the overall objective when considered solely in their own terms, but taken in light of the overall conflict, may contribute to overall success. In the Chinese Civil War that followed World War II, Mao Tse Tung’s Army ran away from every battle, until they won the war. They knew that overall victory, not local victory, was the objective”	Oct 09 15:44
_Doug	Like, the paranoia the obsessiveness, the malevelance .. it’s all there …	Oct 09 15:45
_Doug	Yea: Mao was playing a giantic game of GO ..	Oct 09 15:46
schestowitz	Microsoft: inspired by war.	Oct 09 15:46
_Doug	gigantic game of GO, the one where you absorbe terrority ..	Oct 09 15:46
schestowitz	Can we name people in govt. who are Microsoft puppet?	Oct 09 15:47
schestowitz	Or those paid by Microsoft? This corruption must end. It’s killing the economy at the moment , but it really ought to kill the criminals who caused this, not the taxpayers.	Oct 09 15:47
_Doug	Not GO, a different game, you take turns placing pieces and surround terrority and deny it to the enemy ..	Oct 09 15:48
schestowitz	The suffering is still being passed to those who were abused so criminal /companies/ need to at least be embargoed in more placs.	Oct 09 15:48
schestowitz	Risk?	Oct 09 15:48
_Doug	MS is only doing what they did in the rail/oil/electricity/television/transport industry since for ever …	Oct 09 15:49
schestowitz	It has a patent, y’know: http://games.slashdot.org/article.p…	Oct 09 15:49
schestowitz	“Hasbro owns the copyrights for the game of Risk, as the guy who wrote the google maps based Risk found out. This was featured on slashdot earlier. However, he does not seem too discouraged and asks people to submit ideas for other games using google maps that will not have such legal wrangles.”	Oct 09 15:49
_Doug	Remember when the car industry bought up the electric trolly cars, and then closed them down …	Oct 09 15:49
schestowitz	_Doug: it’s no excuse. So it’s time to respond. Microsoft is now crumbling because of its own stupidity (e.g. Vista) and because of a lot of free labour (FOSS), which is tries to fight by corruption politicians now.	Oct 09 15:51
schestowitz	Give me 5 minutes and I’ll post about what they do in India now.	Oct 09 15:51
_Doug	If memory serves Risk sounds like a variation of a much older Chinese game ..	Oct 09 15:51
_Doug	I recall in relation to Mao, it was suggested as an insight into his sucessfull strategy	Oct 09 15:52
_Doug	Denying the enemy terrority and room to manouver	Oct 09 15:53
ld50_	_Doug, i used to watch “heroes”	Oct 09 15:55
_Doug	Risk: it’s a variation of Go, in’it	Oct 09 15:55
_Doug	Heros: a cross between the Matrix, the X-MEN, the Terminator and the FLY .. yea ?	Oct 09 15:56
ld50_	only the first season was cool	Oct 09 15:56
_Doug	how many episodes ? .. too many .. the Americans never know when to end it …	Oct 09 15:58
_Doug	What’s your Lethal Dose	Oct 09 15:59
_Doug	mines a pint ..	Oct 09 15:59
ld50_	of what, tv series?	Oct 09 15:59
ld50_	lol	Oct 09 16:00
_Doug	LD50 == Lethal Dose 50%#	Oct 09 16:00
_Doug	not a lot of people know that :O	Oct 09 16:00
ld50_	yes, but its applied to something, like ld50 of caffein	Oct 09 16:00
_Doug	50% of the dose that will kill you .. is used to determine the safe dosage of drugs ..	Oct 09 16:01
_Doug	http://www.rsc.org/ScienceAndTechnology/Policy/EH…	Oct 09 16:02
ld50_	not exactly, i think its the dose that will kill 50% of a population	Oct 09 16:02
_Doug	Heros: what’s with the two Chinese dudes and time travel ?	Oct 09 16:02
_Doug	ld50: negative, they up the dose to an expermental population until half are dead .. that’s the LD50 test …	Oct 09 16:03
_Doug	a population yes, only they don’t ask the rabbits first	Oct 09 16:04
_Doug	Heros: I only saw two episodes, I feel as if I saw them all ..	Oct 09 16:04
ld50_	yes, thats what i said, 50% is “50% of the population”, not “50% of the dose”	Oct 09 16:05
ld50_	ah, dont waste your time with heroes	Oct 09 16:05
ld50_	watch “Twin Peaks” or something	Oct 09 16:05
_Doug	cryptic comments by some government agent, in a bunker, then a slo-mo kunk-fu fight with super-power-type zapping, then \|\|\|\| cut to somewhereelse and repeat …..	Oct 09 16:06
_Doug	no scent lasting more then two minutes, the attention span of the average tv viewer ..	Oct 09 16:07
_Doug	try and make it look like a cross between a music video and a RPP game ..	Oct 09 16:07
_Doug	Real Person something .. you know like HL or CounterStrike ..	Oct 09 16:08
_Doug	Whizzzz .. Wooshhhhhh .. Wammmmmmmm … and cut \|	Oct 09 16:08
_Doug	I watched her ‘twin peaks’, it was believable until the log-lady, and the talking-backwards sinister midget turned up …	Oct 09 16:09
_Doug	The thing is, no-one under the age of 18 is watching television …	Oct 09 16:10
ld50_	http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/la…	Oct 09 16:10
ld50_	great woman	Oct 09 16:11
_Doug	heros: what’s with the two Chinese dudes and the time travel ????	Oct 09 16:11
ld50_	one of the guy time travels	Oct 09 16:11
ld50_	thats it	Oct 09 16:11
_Doug	how and why, and why don’t he stop the destruction or what ever ?	Oct 09 16:12
ld50_	his friend doesnt have any powers	Oct 09 16:12
_Doug	They even have a ‘Jessica Alba’ lookalike ..	Oct 09 16:14
_Doug	http://www.2flashgames.com/2fgkjn134kjlh1cfn8…	Oct 09 16:15
_Doug	“multi-episode story arcs that build upon a larger, more encompassing arc.”	Oct 09 16:15
_Doug	shouldn’t that be logs	Oct 09 16:16
_Doug	She pouts, but not as well as Jessica ..	Oct 09 16:17
_Doug	http://www.imdb.com/media/rm860263424/tt0813715	Oct 09 16:17
_Doug	What is it about chicks in catsuits that do kungfu ?	Oct 09 16:17
_Doug		Oct 09 16:17
_Doug	Daphne ??? what’s a superhero doing with a name like Daphne ????	Oct 09 16:18
ld50_	are you watching it on tv or downloaded the eps?	Oct 09 16:20
_Doug	I saw it on tv ..	Oct 09 16:20
_Doug	“Daphne has the ability to move at superhuman speed,”	Oct 09 16:20
_Doug	question: what happens to the objects Daphne carries, why isn’t there an athmospheric disturbance when she moves ?	Oct 09 16:21
ld50_	i wonder if she uses an helmet to protect her hairdo	Oct 09 16:22
_Doug	like, she’s displacing a lot of air, you’d think ther would be a thunder clap ?	Oct 09 16:22
_Doug	helmet: haaaaa	Oct 09 16:22
_Doug	Hiro has Hiro, ?	Oct 09 16:23
ld50_	han?	Oct 09 16:23
_Doug	I thought the original X-Men movie was crap, the ideas worked in a Comic, but for some reason they were a little underwelming onscreen ?	Oct 09 16:23
_Doug	Hiro does ‘time-stops’	Oct 09 16:24
_Doug	What’s “THE FORMULA” ?	Oct 09 16:26
_Doug	Is there the touch of the MANGAs about this series as well ?	Oct 09 16:27
_Doug	later …	Oct 09 16:32
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_Doug	?	Oct 09 16:46
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_Doug	gtg: keep an eye on Schestowitz .. while I’m away ….	Oct 09 16:47
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trmanco	two new kernel versions were released today	Oct 09 17:22
trmanco	http://lwn.net/Articles/302393/	Oct 09 17:22
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schestowitz	Cool, thanks, trmanco.	Oct 09 19:23
schestowitz	Oh, maintenance releases.	Oct 09 19:24
trmanco	yes	Oct 09 19:24
trmanco	little thing worth mentioning	Oct 09 19:24
trmanco	things*	Oct 09 19:24
schestowitz	Dow Jones at 88xx points. :-S	Oct 09 19:28
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cj	schestowitz: thoughts about gnome?	Oct 09 20:04
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schestowitz	cj: I like GNOME.	Oct 09 20:18
cj	schestowitz: do you know who wrote GNOME?	Oct 09 20:19
schestowitz	Yes. I like KDE better and I hope Miguel changes his mind about things he said.	Oct 09 20:19
cj	hmm? what did he say that you wish he changes his mind on? url?	Oct 09 20:23
schestowitz	Ick. http://beranger.org/index.php?page=dia…	Oct 09 20:25
schestowitz	cj: let me find it.	Oct 09 20:25
cj	thanks	Oct 09 20:25
schestowitz	Gnome to be based on .NET – de Icaza : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/0…	Oct 09 20:25
schestowitz	That’s a recipe for disaster.	Oct 09 20:25
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MinceR	gnome should stop copying osx if it is to be made into a usable DE again.	Oct 09 20:39
MinceR	(going back to copying kde would be a way to do that)	Oct 09 20:39
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schestowitz	KDE changes a lot. Either way, GNOME is very important to us all. It’s popular on mobile devices and many desktops. We need to protect it from becoming something Microsoft can claim ownership of, especially now that MSFT is going down, despite massive buybacks and impending debt (seen the stack markets today?).	Oct 09 20:44
MinceR	i’m afraid they already have.	Oct 09 20:46
MinceR	m$ controls novell, novell owns gnome	Oct 09 20:46
MinceR	the worst part being that these bastards control gtk now.	Oct 09 20:46
schestowitz	‘Control’ or control?	Oct 09 20:58
MinceR	well, afaik gtk is part of the gnome project now	Oct 09 20:59
schestowitz	Novell has more power over Mono than over GNOME. This includes copyrights. That’s one of the reasons Novell wants to poison GNOME with more Mono. It sponsors Mono j*nk like Banshee.	Oct 09 20:59
MinceR	wasn’t gnome a ximian thing before ximian was bought by novell?	Oct 09 20:59
schestowitz	I’d have to check to give a definite answer. The copyrights might not be Ximian’s.	Oct 09 21:00
MinceR	i thought the reason to poison gnome with mono was that m$ told them to since it would turn gnome into a patent trap.	Oct 09 21:00
MinceR	ic	Oct 09 21:00
schestowitz	Novell is Novell is Novell and Microsoft is Novell is Microsoft.	Oct 09 21:00
schestowitz	They have no choice. Novell w as dying. This means that whatever Novell does now can be assumed to be Microsoft’s desire too.	Oct 09 21:01
schestowitz	Companies like Canonical need to sponsor Mono-free programs to compete with evolving (using $$) stuff like Banshee before users shout for Mono	Oct 09 21:01
MinceR	isn’t dying better than becoming a zombie/mindless slave?	Oct 09 21:02
schestowitz	If you can’t make them “addicted” to Windows, make them “Addicted” to .NET (both users and devs). That’s the thinking anyway.	Oct 09 21:02
schestowitz	I was sent a warning earlier about the Silverlight Clouds of MS.	Oct 09 21:02
schestowitz	<anon> “Learn about the Mesh Application architecture and lifecycle as well as how to build Silverlight 2 and JavaScript Mesh Applications from ground up.”	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1626	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> Silverlight everywhere	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<schestowitz> ms is obsolete anyway	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> is it the same AlexH:	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2008/10/symbian-ap…	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> well, not really, they will just try to “capture” the cloud movement and make it dependent on M$ technologies	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<schestowitz> Yes	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> Silverlight is just about that	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> if you really want to annoy Miguel, get a patent licence also for Moonlight	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> and all the codecs that goes with it	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<schestowitz> Wil do	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<schestowitz> did EC drop the MOOX probe?	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> there is no probe	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> if they really want to probe, they have to travel to Lebanon and Ivory Coast	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> let’s prepare some fireworks for the day the standard is out	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> I don’t have time and energy to launch some complains in front of courts	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> and IBM seems to be interested only in chasing Microsoft at the Commission	Oct 09 21:03
schestowitz	<anon> which is not very exiting	Oct 09 21:03
MinceR	btw, i wasn’t aware that novell was dying before they were zombified	Oct 09 21:04
MinceR	why did it happen?	Oct 09 21:04
MinceR	i can see why netware would be dying	Oct 09 21:05
MinceR	i guess suse wasn’t good enough :>	Oct 09 21:05
schestowitz	Let me gett the backing before Novell enthusiasts attack me	Oct 09 21:06
schestowitz	In no particular order:	Oct 09 21:07
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/0…	Oct 09 21:07
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/30/…	Oct 09 21:07
schestowitz	I spotted this last year when a reader sent me some information about their approach towards the bank: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/2…	Oct 09 21:08
trmanco	http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/RoyalPi…	Oct 09 21:09
schestowitz	Opera is still losing its chance and being naive < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,1… >. It’s a free( gratis) Web browser and they would gain against Firefox if they open-source it. Right now it’s a no-go even for some repositories.	Oct 09 21:10
schestowitz	trmanco: that shot is from last month.	Oct 09 21:11
trmanco	meh	Oct 09 21:11
trmanco	something must be wrong with my feed reader	Oct 09 21:11
trmanco	http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/venezuela-gets-it	Oct 09 21:11
trmanco	this is fresh	Oct 09 21:11
schestowitz	That’s a poor article for a good site like Pingdom.	Oct 09 21:11
trmanco	why can’t Portugal be like Venezuela	Oct 09 21:11
trmanco	“Although the notebooks are similar in both countries, the OS will be different as the Portuguese use a modified version of Microsoft Windows, while the government of Venezuela has opted for a version of Linux. “	Oct 09 21:12
schestowitz	Don’t they deliver to them?	Oct 09 21:12
schestowitz	The company under fraud investigation?	Oct 09 21:12
trmanco	yes	Oct 09 21:12
schestowitz	New: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/152072/…	Oct 09 21:12
trmanco	but venezuela adopted Linux for those netbooks	Oct 09 21:12
schestowitz	At least it says “Linux”, not “SUSE”	Oct 09 21:12
schestowitz	trmanco: let’s wait and see. OLPC used to just run Linux too. Microsoft also bribed some official in Nigeria to change a signed deal with Mandriva.	Oct 09 21:13
trmanco	lol	Oct 09 21:13
trmanco	yes	Oct 09 21:13
trmanco	lets wait and see	Oct 09 21:13
schestowitz	http://blog.mandriva.com/2007/10/31…	Oct 09 21:13
trmanco	yes	Oct 09 21:13
trmanco	read that a year ago	Oct 09 21:13
schestowitz	Almost 600 comments.	Oct 09 21:14
schestowitz	“The dirty bast*rds. they were probably paid to install windows, thats how these things usually go”	Oct 09 21:14
schestowitz	“Bast*rds! Always do the same with their fucking money…no use for ethics, ah ?”	Oct 09 21:14
schestowitz	“I am a Nigerian Linux advocate who is as disappointed as the next person that our school children will not have Linux on the Classmate PCS. However, I am disgusted with all the mudslinging and slanderous innuendo. If Francois or anybody has any proof of any wrongdoing then they should please notify the EFCC (www.efccnigeria.org) who will be happy to look into the matter.”	Oct 09 21:15
schestowitz	“Golpe baixo Steve!” Anyway… enough for now.	Oct 09 21:15
trmanco	http://www.linux-watch.com/n…	Oct 09 21:15
schestowitz	So they use Debian.	Oct 09 21:16
trmanco	yes it was a really disappointing thing, even I felt angry against M$ and a little sorry for the nigerian kids	Oct 09 21:16
schestowitz	Does this Debian version come with Mono? :-O Mono? NoNo.	Oct 09 21:17
schestowitz	Here’s a problem: GNU/Linux becomes more popular, so all the binary salespeople come over and entice people with non-Free s/w: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer…	Oct 09 21:18
trmanco	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/09…	Oct 09 21:18
trmanco	yes	Oct 09 21:19
schestowitz	Blue-GNU is back to posting ( :- ) ): http://blue-gnu.biz/	Oct 09 21:19
trmanco	but for people who really wan’t to be free they can keep on using free software	Oct 09 21:20
trmanco	those non-free apps can probably attract more users, “normal users” if you know what a mean	Oct 09 21:20
MinceR	i wonder who will m$ sell out to when it’s their turn to die	Oct 09 21:21
MinceR	crApple? :>	Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz	It’s disheartening that they think of “Linux”, Linus (1991) and some binary O/S (ISO) that has Wine.	Oct 09 21:21
trmanco	here are some openoffice.org stats from Portugal	Oct 09 21:25
trmanco	http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/2008/…	Oct 09 21:25
trmanco	English version: http://translate.google.com/translate…	Oct 09 21:26
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cj	what? OLPC comes with a kernel other than Linux?	Oct 09 21:34
cj	that’s pretty disgusting	Oct 09 21:35
schestowitz	It’s nothing to do with Linux It’s education, freedom and independence from vendors.	Oct 09 21:38
cj	schestowitz: well… wasn’t there a vendor selling the hardware and the software that came on it?	Oct 09 21:45
cj	which vendors are you suggesting freedom from?	Oct 09 21:45
cj	I still think it’s pretty aweful that a last-minute change happened to the kernel installed on the system. the folks who wrote that kernel were deeply involved in the manufacture of the product from the beginning.	Oct 09 21:47
cj	jumping on the bandwagon at the last moment without contributing to the development of the product seems like a crappy thing to do.	Oct 09 21:47
cj	but that’s capitalism, though, right?	Oct 09 21:48
schestowitz	The BIOS is open and easily replaceable. The software is open (GPL) and swappable.	Oct 09 21:48
cj	if it’s coreboot, that’s GPL, too, IIRC	Oct 09 21:49
schestowitz	Hardware too is a flexible thing. Suppliers can be changed and it’s made in China.	Oct 09 21:49
cj	if what the coreboot devs tell me is correct, there is no open embedded motherboard.	Oct 09 21:49
cj	the OLPC setup may be an exception to this	Oct 09 21:50
cj	it sounds to me like they didn’t use commodity hardware, instead they had to design their own	Oct 09 21:50
cj	but I’m just telling you what I remember; don’t consider it fact	Oct 09 21:50
schestowitz	RMS chose OLPC for such reasons. Anyway, any country can customise the software to its own needs and own it.	Oct 09 21:50
schestowitz	“The US government’s debts have ballooned so badly the National Debt Clock in New York has run out of digits to record the spiralling figure.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7660409.stm	Oct 09 21:55
cj	thanks, Mr. Bush. Good idea there with the deregulation thing.	Oct 09 21:56
schestowitz	Alex Brown’s site is down now. He moved to ASP .NET, so..	Oct 09 21:56
cj	schestowitz: thank you for your response to Jeff. it may not mean a lot to you coming from me, but I think he’s good people. I’ve been working with him for quite a while now, and he’s always proved himself knowledgable and ready to help fix and improve the software he maintains.	Oct 09 21:57
schestowitz	Heh. Steve Furber in the BBC < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7660928.stm >. I know him… humble man.	Oct 09 21:58
schestowitz	Same with Miguel. But he takes advice from people who want to ruin Linux or ‘share’ its success, i.e. embed Microsoft+tax with the Free Desktop. It’ll never change. He was put in a bad neighbourhood.	Oct 09 21:59
cj	I don’t always agree with Miguel, but I think he’s doing what he’s doing for a good reason.	Oct 09 22:00
schestowitz	He means well, but he’s deceived. Until that changes, he can’t be trusted and many people already distrust him — and rightly so.	Oct 09 22:02
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cj	I don’t think he’s deceived. He’s corrected my behavior when I did not realize that I was going to take MS property and integrate it into Mono. He knows where the line is drawn and he won’t have it crossed.	Oct 09 22:05
schestowitz	“BT will outsource 500 staff from its Design and Operate units to Alcatel-Lucent in a seven-year global deal.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1…	Oct 09 22:07
schestowitz	“It’s hilarious to see the push on “Linux” named sites to push Mono lately. But if you are like me and want to avoid Mono, the list will help you. If you use Mandriva, avoidance includes noticing the automatic updates offered and unchecking the ones that relate to Mono, if you have update set to offer everything there is, not just updates to what you have installed.]” http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php	Oct 09 22:11
schestowitz	Microsoft funds abuse-tolerant govt. (Republicans): http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/-comme…	Oct 09 22:21
schestowitz	“While Democrats kept mum about the Microsoft case, Republicans were quick to blame Microsoft’s woes on their political rivals. When he visited Microsoft’s home state during the Republican primaries, George W. Bush pointedly declared that he supported ‘innovation, not litigation.?’	Oct 09 22:22
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MinceR	gn	Oct 09 22:33
schestowitz	Good comment: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story….	Oct 09 22:33
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schestowitz	Hey there.	Oct 09 22:50
johnny157	someone must lynch deicaza	Oct 09 22:50
schestowitz	No.	Oct 09 22:50
johnny157	i cant take it anymore	Oct 09 22:50
johnny157	no seriously	Oct 09 22:50
schestowitz	Explain the problem to people.	Oct 09 22:50
schestowitz	z> “It’s hilarious to see the push on “Linux” named sites to push Mono lately. But if you are like me and want to avoid Mono, the list will help you. If you use Mandriva, avoidance includes noticing the automatic updates offered and unchecking the ones that relate to Mono, if you have update set to offer everything there is, not just updates to what you have installed.]” http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php	Oct 09 22:50
johnny157	dude i dont need to void mono	Oct 09 22:51
johnny157	deicaza has been on my shitlist for more than 10 years	Oct 09 22:51
johnny157	from the moment he destroyed gnustep	Oct 09 22:51
schestowitz	Linux sites should learn to stop treating Mono like it’s part of the desktop. It’s as much Linux as Wine is… only LESS necessary	Oct 09 22:51
johnny157	tried to hijack windowmaker	Oct 09 22:51
johnny157	and the rest of the crap he pulled way before he came up with mono	Oct 09 22:51
schestowitz	He came in as a Windows man.	Oct 09 22:52
johnny157	he failed interview at microsoft	Oct 09 22:52
schestowitz	You can see it in a 2003/4 interview with him.	Oct 09 22:52
johnny157	and he decided to fuck up linux instead	Oct 09 22:52
schestowitz	GCC was a cheap compiler to him, but he also caught the idealogy.	Oct 09 22:52
schestowitz	No, he decided to use Linux to grow closer to Microsoft.	Oct 09 22:53
schestowitz	IMHO.	Oct 09 22:53
schestowitz	From day one he spoke of the plan to make it COM-compatible and all…	Oct 09 22:53
schestowitz	GNU Windows.	Oct 09 22:53
johnny157	he saw dollars and free labor in the form of stupid kids	Oct 09 22:53
schestowitz	Gwindows	Oct 09 22:53
johnny157	i cant believe he has any credibility left	Oct 09 22:54
johnny157	after all these years	Oct 09 22:54
johnny157	after bonobo	Oct 09 22:54
johnny157	and the crap he spits out at his conventions	Oct 09 22:54
johnny157	he is like a rabid dog	Oct 09 22:54
schestowitz	Oh, that.	Oct 09 22:54
schestowitz	Well, OOXML being an example	Oct 09 22:54
schestowitz	I can’t forget how he defends Mirosoft from the EU	Oct 09 22:54
schestowitz	Like ACT, the Bush Admin and other Microsoft shills.	Oct 09 22:54
johnny157	well he got paid pretty good	Oct 09 22:55
schestowitz	He must have at least been brainwashed a bit, speaking of his professional tendencies.	Oct 09 22:55
johnny157	i seem to remember microsoft throwing him out of their conferences	Oct 09 22:55
schestowitz	VP… probably good 6 digits +big bonuses.	Oct 09 22:55
johnny157	they wouldnt acknowledge him in the beginning	Oct 09 22:55
johnny157	but once the deal came down with novell	Oct 09 22:55
johnny157	they’re buddies	Oct 09 22:55
schestowitz	He hands out at Microsoft.	Oct 09 22:56
schestowitz	This duality you also find in Justin Steinman.	Oct 09 22:56
schestowitz	He has just been promoted.	Oct 09 22:56
schestowitz	The problem is that many Linux people ditched Novell.	Oct 09 22:56
schestowitz	The Windows people are promoted or hired, which changes Novell.	Oct 09 22:56
johnny157	i dont give a fuck about novell	Oct 09 22:57
johnny157	i jusÃt cant stand it watching these muppets undermine linux	Oct 09 22:57
johnny157	little by little	Oct 09 22:57
schestowitz	They are in the Linux Foundation	Oct 09 22:58
johnny157	you should see whats going on in the forums	Oct 09 22:58
schestowitz	To get Novell ‘off’ Linux is too much work.	Oct 09 22:58
johnny157	everytime someone posts something negative about novell./mono	Oct 09 22:58
johnny157	the shill army arrives	Oct 09 22:58
johnny157	and they downvote/mod everything to hell	Oct 09 22:58
johnny157	twofaced rats	Oct 09 22:58
schestowitz	One option is to try to change Novell’s bahaviour, but as the stock (NOVL) falls, they remain licking the Microsoft Boot for cash.	Oct 09 22:58
schestowitz	I have no hopes for them.	Oct 09 22:58
schestowitz	…or for them to change, which is why, as some people said in Linux Today, we need to just see Novell going away like Linspite.	Oct 09 22:59
johnny157	well they ll sink sooner or later	Oct 09 22:59
schestowitz	johnny157: yes, the shill army.	Oct 09 22:59
johnny157	mono aint going anywhere	Oct 09 22:59
schestowitz	See Glyn Moody’s latest	Oct 09 22:59
johnny157	java has so much momentum	Oct 09 22:59
schestowitz	Or Alan Lord’s recent post on Mono.	Oct 09 22:59
schestowitz	The Mono shills (some Novell employees too) are everywhere.	Oct 09 22:59
schestowitz	Is Novell Patrolling Open Source Blogs? — http://boycottnovell.com/2007/09/30/…	Oct 09 23:00
schestowitz	I should add: Novell has ‘gagged’ journalists and bloggers before its latest big Microsoft announcement. it polices coverage that way. I bet it’s also responsible for that flood of Mono 2.0 coverage. Novell is the Microsoft of Novell.	Oct 09 23:02
johnny157	they must be desperate for developrs and new blood	Oct 09 23:02
johnny157	yeh	Oct 09 23:02
johnny157	they pimp mono news everywhere	Oct 09 23:02
johnny157	flood reddit	Oct 09 23:02
schestowitz	I at least caught how they manipulated coverage.	Oct 09 23:02
johnny157	with crappy shit	Oct 09 23:02
schestowitz	It’s more sickening to me than what they do.	Oct 09 23:02
schestowitz	Revisionist likewise.	Oct 09 23:03
schestowitz	*sm	Oct 09 23:03
johnny157	what i dont understand is why ppl fall for their propaganda	Oct 09 23:03
johnny157	their arguments for mono are laughable	Oct 09 23:03
johnny157	0 weight to all of them	Oct 09 23:04
johnny157	mono has 0 added value compared to everything else out there	Oct 09 23:04
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/04/zo… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/06/op…	Oct 09 23:04
schestowitz	I’ve seen myself ‘punished’ in Digg for criticising Novell or Mono. That’s how it goes. Social networking is gamed by corps	Oct 09 23:04
schestowitz	The dangr is that on the route to promoting Mono they bash GPL and friendly stuff like Java.	Oct 09 23:05
schestowitz	Sun really wants to see more Java on GNU/Linux… same with OOo, which Novell/Microsoft ‘hijacked’ with Go-oo	Oct 09 23:06
johnny157	you should read this thread here	Oct 09 23:06
johnny157	http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comme…	Oct 09 23:06
johnny157	but i agree	Oct 09 23:06
johnny157	its obvious they adopt microsoft techniques	Oct 09 23:06
johnny157	to silence and intimidate	Oct 09 23:06
schestowitz	It’s rebutted here: http://www.computerworlduk.com/commun… (Then the Monovell army arrived)	Oct 09 23:07
schestowitz	Another ‘open-source’ scam from Microsoft: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy… (“The SDK only works on Windows (what did you expect?”).	Oct 09 23:13
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schestowitz	Micron to cut workforce by 15 percent, slash flash output : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-1…	Oct 09 23:43