| schestowitz | "Steven Rubin is counsel in WolfBlock’s Intellectual Property/Information Technology Practice Group" | Oct 27 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | No bias here. :-)) | Oct 27 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | ET=Enemy Territory. | Oct 27 00:00 |
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| pombat42 | Ok! I do know that one. mind slow today. | Oct 27 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Interests/Wo... | Oct 27 00:01 |
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| pombat42 | Wolf=good game | Oct 27 00:02 |
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| twitter | You listen to someone who says " Roy is forgetting that WMV is free software and thus roy is once again attacking free software while defending proprietary Ogg."? | Oct 27 00:02 |
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| pombat42 | the complete ogg spec is in the public domain. | Oct 27 00:05 |
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| twitter | yes, that's true so AlexH is full of shit. | Oct 27 00:10 |
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| twitter | everyone knows that | Oct 27 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | It's not him. | Oct 27 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | It's a reverse troll. | Oct 27 00:11 |
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| twitter | Troll just the same. Why don't you block that idiot? | Oct 27 00:12 |
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| pombat42 | u think i am alex? | Oct 27 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jo... "I agree there's a huge amount of astroturfing going on here. They're doing their best to stifle you." | Oct 27 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | pombat42: no, it's someone in BN comments. | Oct 27 00:15 |
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| pombat42 | sorry.. i' | Oct 27 00:15 |
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| twitter | no, pombat42 | Oct 27 00:15 |
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| pombat42 | im not alex | Oct 27 00:15 |
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| pombat42 | ok i c..sorry | Oct 27 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Oct 27 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Ambiguities. | Oct 27 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Big post: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/26/... I need a break now. | Oct 27 00:37 |
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| PetoKraus | do you, by any chance, have a link to that user interface image of vista | Oct 27 00:48 |
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| PetoKraus | the "consistent" user interface | Oct 27 00:49 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 27 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | what's a vista? | Oct 27 00:51 |
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| PetoKraus | i guess you know what image do i mean | Oct 27 00:51 |
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| PetoKraus | i just don't know where it is :/ | Oct 27 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Boyc... "This seems like a quite negative article, which doesn't entertain any notion that there could be legitimate concerns about the Novell/Microsoft deal." | Oct 27 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: I don't know which image? Developer guidelines for GUIs? | Oct 27 00:53 |
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| PetoKraus | no no | Oct 27 00:53 |
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| PetoKraus | it was in a blog of a guy | Oct 27 00:53 |
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| PetoKraus | he analysed what macintosh did with OS x | Oct 27 00:53 |
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| PetoKraus | and there was a screenshot with VISTA desktop | Oct 27 00:54 |
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| PetoKraus | with "consistent" UI | Oct 27 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | It doesn't ring a bell. | Oct 27 00:55 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Oct 27 00:56 |
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| PetoKraus | finally i see the article | Oct 27 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | URL, pls? | Oct 27 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, _that_ article, by BB | Oct 27 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's an attack on us. I told you it would be like this. There's history there. | Oct 27 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | He would have done the article regardless of whether we responded or now --- axe to grand and all. | Oct 27 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | *grind | Oct 27 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | Big names join defections from Republican camp < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oc... > | Oct 27 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | RMS is linking to this thing: Crossing the Rubicon.. Simplifying the case against Dick Cheney < http://www.fromthewilderness.com... > | Oct 27 01:06 |
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| tessier | I don't know why I bother because Roy is always so much faster than I am but: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/25/apple... | Oct 27 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | I'm going to reply in Linux.com | Oct 27 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: the number keeps declining. They approved $40bn in buybacks less than a month ago, IIRC (the timing). | Oct 27 01:11 |
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| pombat42 | MS is trying to milk what amounts to a dry nipple. companies are not upgrading to newer versions of office and are certainly not upgrading to vista. | Oct 27 01:13 |
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| pombat42 | The only live nipples are the preconfigured market and educational units | Oct 27 01:13 |
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| pombat42 | colleges etc | Oct 27 01:13 |
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| pombat42 | Vista is XP with eye candy. Office is office is office is office. All very much the same for a business user | Oct 27 01:14 |
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| pombat42 | the economy is killing them | Oct 27 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Like many others. Sub-notebooks win big though. All the OEMs go in this direction now... | Oct 27 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | As such, the price of Windows (XP of course) sank to around $18 and Microsoft's Windows revenue declines, as per their latest report, as well as previous one/s. Some OEMs also put StarOffice on XP-based sub-notebooks. Big ouch.. | Oct 27 01:21 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: as I promised, here's the conversation with bruce: http://pk.gjhak.sk/.storage/bruce.pdf | Oct 27 01:22 |
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| pombat42 | the subs are still too close to the price point of low end full laptops | Oct 27 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | Brilliant: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph... "'Tolerating' an opinion just means to not otherwise try to prevent people from voicing it except by arguments to the contrary. This implies that people who call publishing an opinion which is not in line with some or all of their own 'intolerant' are actually themselves guilty of being intolerant." | Oct 27 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | pombat42: yes, price-fixing. Wait until AMD and ARM enter this arena. OLPC was supposed to cost just $100 and do some moe. | Oct 27 01:25 |
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| pombat42 | I have a friend who works as a network troubleshooter for Nortel who uses a netbook because of size. he travels a lot and loves it. | Oct 27 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, PetoKraus. Read it. | Oct 27 01:27 |
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| PetoKraus | he pissed me of | Oct 27 01:28 |
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| PetoKraus | *off | Oct 27 01:28 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, i asked him to send me a link once it's published | Oct 27 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | I told you he was trouble. | Oct 27 01:28 |
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| PetoKraus | nah, he quoted me quite alright | Oct 27 01:28 |
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| PetoKraus | though he made me look like a "incompetent dummy" | Oct 27 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: that was his intention. | Oct 27 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | To portray the site as a bunch of teens. | Oct 27 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | He wanted to discredit the site, not to review it. | Oct 27 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | I think I told you, no? | Oct 27 01:29 |
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| PetoKraus | well, it was obvious | Oct 27 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | I noticed that [H]omer_ had left a reply there a while ago | Oct 27 01:29 |
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| PetoKraus | me as well | Oct 27 01:30 |
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| PetoKraus | is he a native speaker? | Oct 27 01:31 |
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| PetoKraus | "informational hub", come on! there's no such a word | Oct 27 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | He's Canadian. | Oct 27 01:32 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Oct 27 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | All in all, as much as he tried to harm us, it may have backfired, as expected. | Oct 27 01:33 |
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| PetoKraus | :) yes | Oct 27 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | His writing about us only validates the site as a hub. Novell was unhappy about it. Watch the anonymous comments voicing anger that he didn't contact Novell (I see 2 comments) | Oct 27 01:34 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, it was quite funny to see | Oct 27 01:34 |
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| PetoKraus | also, the replies on linuxtoday are good | Oct 27 01:34 |
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| PetoKraus | you know, one of the most important personality traits of good sysadmin is | Oct 27 01:35 |
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| PetoKraus | paranoia. endless paranoia | Oct 27 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | This article pulled a lot more attention than anything they publish (see # of comments in http://www.linux.com/ ) | Oct 27 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | Paranoia for whom? | Oct 27 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | For me or for Free software. Of course, Microsoft would never want to harm Free software. ;-) No sirre, Bob.. | Oct 27 01:36 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: it's meant to be just paranoia | Oct 27 01:36 |
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| PetoKraus | don't trust anything | Oct 27 01:36 |
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| PetoKraus | hand compile the sources :P | Oct 27 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | Read them too. | Oct 27 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | Study it. | Oct 27 01:37 |
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| PetoKraus | well, how are you gonna hand-compile without reading, man | Oct 27 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | The truth is that you just need to rely on peers for it. Pass sources, not binaries. | Oct 27 01:37 |
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| PetoKraus | :) yes. My friend, or aquintance, he's paranoid | Oct 27 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | It's like Wikipedia. If there's something bad in it, an eyeball will catch it somewhere along the way. It's all visible. | Oct 27 01:38 |
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| PetoKraus | and schyzofrenic. And addicted to Xanax | Oct 27 01:38 |
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| PetoKraus | perfect sysadmin | Oct 27 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | Xanax. | Oct 27 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Oct 27 01:38 |
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| PetoKraus | time to sleep. Got stereochemistry exam tomorrow | Oct 27 01:41 |
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| PetoKraus | *today | Oct 27 01:41 |
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| pombat42 | good luck on your exam | Oct 27 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, good luck. | Oct 27 01:43 |
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| twitter | Liked the apple insider story, http://slashdot.org/~twitte... | Oct 27 02:57 |
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| twitter | BB's article got Linux.com attention, that's not a backfire it's what he planned. | Oct 27 02:58 |
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| schestowitz | The harm is probably small compared to what can be seen as recognition, but there ya go... | Oct 27 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's not as though we got any more traffic. | Oct 27 02:59 |
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| mib_bgzn1t | Black screen of death article is excellent, I enjoyed it, thanks | Oct 27 03:09 |
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| twitter | good night | Oct 27 03:40 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 27 07:39 |
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| schestowitz | RBS slashing 16,000 staff : http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news... | Oct 27 08:47 |
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| schestowitz | Should I ask linux.com to let me write an article (for them to publish) explaining the Novell/Microsoft deal? I suspect they'll agree. | Oct 27 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it's worth doing an article about how the press demonises independent thinkers. | Oct 27 09:28 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | I like the sound of this <http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?commai... | Oct 27 09:31 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | Another useful feature is integration of multimedia content from the BBC that was previously available only on computers running Microsoft Windows Media Player software. Under the 8.10 version of the operating system, some selected, high-quality streamed BBC content will be available free of charge to Ubuntu users through the built-in Totem Movie Player and Rhythmbox applications. | Oct 27 09:31 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, for a moment there I thought BBC had done something. It's just another Ubuntu-Fu piece. | Oct 27 09:32 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | I do like the sound of being able to play the content on Linux though | Oct 27 09:33 |
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| schestowitz | It should have been trivial. The MSBBC, whose media division is now controlled by Erik Huggers of (formerly) Microsoft, is trying to spread Microsoft proprietary formats. | Oct 27 09:35 |
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| schestowitz | Have Terrorists Co-Opted Twitter? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152845/twitter... > OMG! Kill Twitter. It's evil. It facilitates many groups. Kill USENET too because a fraction of it might contain copyrights infringement. Heck, just bring down the Web. | Oct 27 09:47 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | heh | Oct 27 09:48 |
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| schestowitz | ZiggyFish1: good news for you guys in Australia. A local shop reports that shoppers demand Linux. Linux Mag says that over 40% of the sub-notebooks run GNU/Linux. | Oct 27 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | U.S. Army warns of Twittering terrorists < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-1007548... > | Oct 27 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft has declared a security emergency, rushing out a patch for a flaw that exposes nearly all of the billion PCs running its Windows operating systems to potentially serious hack attacks." Microsoft Yells 'Fire!' - Then Bars the Doors < http://www.ecommercetimes.com/sto... > | Oct 27 09:51 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | lol | Oct 27 09:52 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. My friend was right yesterday. He said world markets would collapse today. http://www.ecommercetimes.com/stor... | Oct 27 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fox28.com/Global/story.asp?S=9235542 (White House urges patience on rescue plan)... http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=europe | Oct 27 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | They've tried everything. | Oct 27 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | FTSE 100:3,711.23 | Oct 27 09:57 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | lol | Oct 27 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | Not so funny actually. It's down like 40% since 52-week high and people lose their homes now. | Oct 27 10:08 |
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| PetoKraus | lol | Oct 27 10:10 |
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| PetoKraus | "But for some strange reason, the installed Gentoo doesn't allow normal users to run any administrative applications." | Oct 27 10:10 |
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| PetoKraus | what a dick! it's called security | Oct 27 10:10 |
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| MinceR | http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php... | Oct 27 10:31 |
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| MinceR | sounds like kaspersky sold out to someone | Oct 27 10:31 |
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| MinceR | or they're just plain clueless | Oct 27 10:31 |
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| schestowitz | Annual Kaspersky Labs Fearmongering (2008 Edition)! < http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/31546 > | Oct 27 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | This is horrible: SplashTop Security Hole Still Exists < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa... > | Oct 27 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | The Open Standards 2008 conference scheduled to be held in Sydney this week has been cancelled due to a lack of registrations. < http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?... > | Oct 27 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | Standards were killed by Microsoft/ISO tag-team corruption. From the above: "Some of the speakers listed to hold talks included Lachlan Hunt from Opera on HTML5, Rick Jelliffe from Topologi with an Overview of XBRL, Microsoft’s Lawrence Crumption with a presentation entitled ‘Openly Excited: Microsoft, Open Source and Open Specification’" | Oct 27 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | So 2 our 3 of are Microsoft or their cronies (Rick Jelliff). 'Open' 'standards'... brought to you by the company that blackmailed, bullies, bribed and lied for it... | Oct 27 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | Images of planet Earth... 'owned' rather than shared.. http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php... | Oct 27 10:49 |
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| MinceR | the part i liked especially is how they declare symbian to be the most secure os because it has mandatory code signing | Oct 27 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | Doesn't iPhone have that too? To an extent? | Oct 27 10:50 |
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| MinceR | it might, after all it's even more locked down | Oct 27 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | And still not secure.. http://www.smartdevicecentral.com/article... | Oct 27 10:53 |
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| MinceR | you don't need to convince me that symbian and the iphone os both suck :) | Oct 27 10:54 |
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| MinceR | i wonder what our resident apple fanboy will say about it though :> | Oct 27 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | Do you get sound on that one? | Oct 27 10:56 |
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| MinceR | i'm not trying, i'm at work | Oct 27 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.downloadyoutubevideos.com/ is broken. The other tools seems to have deficiencies. | Oct 27 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | Proceed to till to purchase your binary app... http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.p... | Oct 27 10:58 |
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| MinceR | http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/vi... | Oct 27 10:59 |
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| MinceR | there are also firefox extensions and command line tools to do so | Oct 27 11:00 |
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| MinceR | Magic's Video is one such extension | Oct 27 11:00 |
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| MinceR | or you can use the Live HTTP Headers extension to grab the .flv url from the communication it does when loading | Oct 27 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | I see greasemonkey-extension | Oct 27 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | And https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fi... | Oct 27 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | For some reason, greasemonkey won't add menu items as it should. | Oct 27 11:10 |
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| MinceR | i've only tried to handle gametrailers through greasemonkey | Oct 27 11:11 |
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| MinceR | not youtube | Oct 27 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | Sessionrestore is broken now. | Oct 27 11:13 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out I had a defunct process running. It's fine now. | Oct 27 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | This one < http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/vide... > seems to work and it's brilliant. Hats off to you. I can now produce Ogg versions more quickly. | Oct 27 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | Apple earnings, profits, and cash embarrass Microsoft < http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/10/25/apple-ear... >. Red Hat did pretty well too. Same with WInd River. | Oct 27 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer is doing "DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!" again... days ago in Brasil.. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AUM_yt0EsQs | Oct 27 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | They put dancing monkey in Brazilian TV: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PTN5jC1sWD8 | Oct 27 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | Ouch. AMD admits to some borked ATI Radeon HD 4830s < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2... > | Oct 27 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | Look at this chart: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EATX&t=1y (Austrian market down from almost 5000 to just 1680 points) | Oct 27 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | MoD's London brass resist job cuts : http://www.theregister.co.uk/... | Oct 27 12:58 |
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| schestowitz | Spendings continue nonetheless (at least for good cause): http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/10/27/u... | Oct 27 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | Hooray! The Wicked e-Voting Witch is Dead... < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/10/hoo... > -> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10... | Oct 27 13:01 |
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| twitter | Ballmer must have seen you laughing at Advertisers, advertisers, advertisers, baby! | Oct 27 13:02 |
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| twitter | Pawns and one night stands either way. | Oct 27 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct... Let's call it "fingerprint theatre". It makes you feel safe. Sci-fi stuff all ova' the place! | Oct 27 13:08 |
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| twitter | The Open Standards 2008 conference failure sounds typical of M$ tactics. They get in and stink the place up to kill their competitor's get together. | Oct 27 13:10 |
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| twitter | I've read they used to do this to Apple. They would get into developer conferences and then hype up cross platform development that Mac heads had no interest in. | Oct 27 13:11 |
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| twitter | Developers would lose interest, thinking the conference was all about M$ and the conference would sink. | Oct 27 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, that's dead | Oct 27 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/communit... "I've no idea whether AMQP is indeed the bee's knees, as Red Hat would have us believe, but I do know this: if Microsoft *really* wants to join in the open fun, it must always freely license its contributions, as Red Hat says it has done for AMQP. If the devil *insists* on supping with you, do check that you have a good supply of long spoons first." | Oct 27 13:12 |
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| twitter | Just insist on GPL3. | Oct 27 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft 'steals' the show in this year's OSBC... talks software patents (links in the first sentence here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/07... ) | Oct 27 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | Watch what happens in Wall Street today when it opens. | Oct 27 13:14 |
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| twitter | Go for the linux.com article deal if you can get it. They would enjoy the circulation. The owe you an apology for letting BB smear you, the least they could do is let you explain how rotten the M$/Novell deal was. | Oct 27 13:16 |
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| twitter | GPL3 torpedoed that deal but that won't keep M$ from trying to pull another SCO with Novell. Both attacks are equally fictitious. | Oct 27 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://trombonechamp.wordpress.com/... "For example, after someone from our table ordered a Coke, he informed us (and the waitress) about a Coke boycott due to the murder of several Columbian employees, and directed us all to www.killercoke.org. Whenever someone asked him a question, he didn’t hesitate at all, or try to think of an answer." | Oct 27 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | I'll pop a quick E-mail. | Oct 27 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | I send a request for a writing spot. | Oct 27 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | FWIW: "Several months ago, Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols referred me to you, suggesting that I ask about writing opportunities (I currently write for Datamation). As you probably know, Bruce Byfield published quite a damning article on Friday and I wish to publish a polite article that explains why the Novell/Microsoft deal is to be viewed cautiously." | Oct 27 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | "One commenter in Bruce's article explicitly asked for such an article, which I can deliver in a clear and professional way." We shall see what happens. | Oct 27 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | Ryan Paul is, sadly enough, still boosting Mono... http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081027-... | Oct 27 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is gaming Uncle $am... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10075073-... "One important Microsoft employee seems favorably inclined: Steve Ballmer donated the maximum amount of $2,300 to Reichert's campaign in November 2007 and again in June 2008." | Oct 27 13:35 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. Bless Radu... "Bruce is not so great when comes to writing, and one of the latest proofs is the confusing article on Linux.com: Boycott Novell: Champion of freedom or den of paranoia?" < http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary... > | Oct 27 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Linux Hater is CLOSING SHOP. :-) http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/20... | Oct 27 13:46 |
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| twitter | M$ budget cuts, later Linux Hater. :) | Oct 27 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* Well, assuming you believe the theories... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/10/lin... Miguel know who this writer is. | Oct 27 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | *knows | Oct 27 13:48 |
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| kentma | schestowitz: that's an amazing sign of the times... | Oct 27 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | kentma: what specifically? | Oct 27 13:49 |
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| kentma | the linux hater blog running out of funding... | Oct 27 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 27 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know if it's a shill blog. | Oct 27 13:49 |
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| twitter | trombonechamp has a cool mom and a not so cool LUG. You know that RMS won't speak at any group with Linux in it's name? He seems to have loosened up. | Oct 27 13:49 |
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| kentma | of course it's a shill blog... why else would it be there? If "linux hater" really wanted to improve linux and distros he/she could've got involved. | Oct 27 13:50 |
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| twitter | yeah, I just made the budget cuts up as a joke. no telling why they folded up shop, but it was a bullshit waste of time in any case. | Oct 27 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | For all I know (some of it is in the URL above), Miguel knows who he is, but he also works with Microsoft/FOSS turncoats, one of which is in this IRC channel. Oh wait!! he's gone too. | Oct 27 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | Where is cj? | Oct 27 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft cutting down on surveillance? /sarcasm | Oct 27 13:50 |
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| kentma | twitter: it's a buget cut, of course, the question is /why/ | Oct 27 13:50 |
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| twitter | because they are running out of money | Oct 27 13:51 |
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| kentma | twitter: indeed... | Oct 27 13:51 |
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| twitter | and they know the abuse is backfiring anyway, they've known this for years actually | Oct 27 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | They just axed a half-billion budget (Microsoft) | Oct 27 13:51 |
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| kentma | twitter: I also suspect that the foolishness of criticising linux when most of your customers are busy adopting it is probably dawning on the MS marketing and products people. | Oct 27 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | One source I can recall also said that they chopped a lot of marketing (yes, no kidding) | Oct 27 13:52 |
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| kentma | indeed. Once the lock-in is over, you need to start being nice to your customers. | Oct 27 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | But for all I know and can remember, the half-a-billion-USD chop affects the online business. | Oct 27 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | Some of it is summarised here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/26... | Oct 27 13:52 |
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| kentma | schestowitz: if they're cutting 0.5bn there, there'll be other cuts too. | Oct 27 13:52 |
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| twitter | The Mojave advert was downright insulting to their customers. I'm not sure they have learned anything. | Oct 27 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | kentma: I've asked linux.com for room... to do an article about Novell/Microsoft. | Oct 27 13:52 |
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| kentma | schestowitz: good luck... | Oct 27 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | roblimo migh be cautious, but Lee would be cool. | Oct 27 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | kentma: staff too, allegedly. They have hiring and spending freezes in place. | Oct 27 13:53 |
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| kentma | It deserves coverage, it's more about whether LC are prepared to potentially jeopardise advertising revenue in the name of journalistic integrity. | Oct 27 13:54 |
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| twitter | If Linux.com does not give you space for a story, the comments did you justice anyway. | Oct 27 13:54 |
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| kentma | I'd heard about staffing freezes, too. | Oct 27 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | The Surface had it's pice jacked up to $13500, which i hilarious 'cause they wanted to kill the project one year ago and now they have a recession... not just the price going up by 250% | Oct 27 13:54 |
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| twitter | That price will kill it better than anything else. | Oct 27 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | kentma: it's affecting everyone (staffing), but Microsoft is ludicrous to pretend it's not suffering. | Oct 27 13:55 |
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| kentma | agreed... anyway, off to get some food and lie down again - I'm a bit unwell today - see you soon. | Oct 27 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | It's a version of Vista with no developers around it to implement apps supportive of the interfaces. Surface will die like SPOT watch (another BIllG fantasy that died last year) | Oct 27 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | Get well soon, kentma | Oct 27 13:56 |
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| kentma | ta | Oct 27 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Australia trials national net filters : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7689964.stm | Oct 27 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | It ought to be added the Fake Steve Jobs (another 'anonymous' blog) was shut down some months after its author got exposed -- a Microsoft/SCO shill Daniel Lyons.... reverse-trolling. | Oct 27 14:03 |
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| twitter | from the trombonechamp, "Someone (who obviously wasn’t a big fan of his) tried to outsmart him about his opinions on copyright. ... This man wanted to know if, since he advocated for people to break the copyright of proprietary software licenses, he also advocated for people to break the GPL license. ... Stallman, obviously frustrated by this questions, told the man that it was not about breaking licenses, it was about doing wha | Oct 27 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | "Roy, we'd be happy to have you write for us, but the Novell/Microsoft deal was a long time ago. Absent any new developments, I think all the points have been made and made again. If you feel Bruce's article was damning, we'd consider a bylined response to it, as long as it didn't devolve into a point-by-point attempt to address specific issues. " | Oct 27 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | I'll pass. | Oct 27 14:11 |
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| twitter | :-( | Oct 27 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | At least Novell/Microsoft can't bar us from publishing. Anyway, it's only fair that they won't (Re)publish old news. The site is howtos, reviews and news. It's rarely about op-eds. | Oct 27 14:14 |
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| twitter | BB's sear was pure Op-Ed. | Oct 27 14:15 |
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| twitter | It was covered a lot of stale Novell/M$ ground. | Oct 27 14:15 |
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| twitter | and got it wrong. | Oct 27 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | It mentioned almost none of the reasons for criticism... as if he sees nothing wrong with it and neither should the reader. | Oct 27 14:16 |
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| twitter | I don't know what a byline is. | Oct 27 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | "Den.." | Oct 27 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | Like aninals. | Oct 27 14:16 |
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| twitter | Paranoia | Oct 27 14:16 |
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| twitter | like bullshit | Oct 27 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | Then comparing the site to a bunch of paranoid TEENS | Oct 27 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | "Don't take them seriously" | Oct 27 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | It's a zoo... they are animals (den)... | Oct 27 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | Paranoid... writing based on emotion, not facts. | Oct 27 14:17 |
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| twitter | The article was not up to any reasonable journalistic standards. | Oct 27 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I won't bother with a Byfield Byline. :-) | Oct 27 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | Waste of time really... not everyone fell for that mental trap. | Oct 27 14:17 |
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| twitter | If you write a byline, whatever that is, it should be about the low quality of the smear. | Oct 27 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | No, it would not be personal. | Oct 27 14:18 |
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| twitter | BB's article was personal, that's not professional. | Oct 27 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | Either way, let's forget about it. People who know BN have more to judge by. | Oct 27 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | People who never knew BN are at least aware of its existence now. | Oct 27 14:18 |
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| twitter | Cool. | Oct 27 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | BB 'pulled a Sam Varghese' | Oct 27 14:18 |
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| twitter | an O'Garra | Oct 27 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | He mailed me BTW | Oct 27 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | No, O'Gara is another level. | Oct 27 14:19 |
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| twitter | "friendly terms" of course. | Oct 27 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | O'Gara is packing up, flying airplanes and spending days spying on a person's car, friends, family.. | Oct 27 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, friendly. | Oct 27 14:20 |
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| twitter | O'Gara did what she did because PJ wanted to be anonymous. You are out in the open. | Oct 27 14:22 |
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| twitter | O'Gara used anonymity itself as a smear. | Oct 27 14:22 |
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| twitter | Everyone, even Steve Ballmer, is friendly. The difference is BB is wrong and took it to a personal level. | Oct 27 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | Nobody in the Linux sites pay attention to Sys-Con | Oct 27 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | *pays | Oct 27 14:25 |
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| twitter | They question you have to ask is why did he do it. Does he really think BN and others who champion software freedom "discredit" the free software community? | Oct 27 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | Free software would not have survived it it were not for opinionated 'rebels' (in the digital sense). It's naive to assume that we can now sit down just smoking a peace pipe and writing code. Oh lookie! Bill&Steve are bribing politicians again... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-1... | Oct 27 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | /s/bribing/'contributing to campaigns'/ Maybe they need to pass some new laws against that 'freedom' thingie | Oct 27 14:30 |
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| twitter | check out MSFT today. Down 3% already while the rest of the market is down 1%. | Oct 27 14:30 |
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| twitter | They could be flirting with a new 52 week low. We shall see. Novell is dinking around $4 | Oct 27 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | It'll probably settle further down. EU is down about 3% | Oct 27 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | Asia even worse. | Oct 27 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | My friend Mike was right. He said this would happen and Bush is just urging for 'patience'. | Oct 27 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | What's fear-inspiring is what effect this may have on far-right-wing parties, whose capitalisation is sometimes anger. As I said earlier, the market in Austria is down about 60-70% in ONE YEAR. | Oct 27 14:34 |
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| twitter | No telling at this point but there's not much to wait for. AIG predictably burned through it's bail out money in no time and up to 10% of the $700 was going toward bonuses. The impact of all that is zero. | Oct 27 14:35 |
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| twitter | Yes, it is scary when people are robbed like this. Those doing the robbing will find scape goats as an excuse for more looting and power grabbing. | Oct 27 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | Slate (Microsoft press): Linux Is Making Me Insane < http://tbm.thebigmoney.com/articles/0s-1s-an... > | Oct 27 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | Got a ref on the AIG bonus thing? I heard about it. Bonus for corruption and all.... | Oct 27 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | "۩ 2008 Washington Post." > Melinda Gates, no? | Oct 27 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | +Slate (Microsoft) | Oct 27 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | "Washington Post Buys Microsoft's Webzine > The Washington Post Co. said yesterday it is buying Slate in an effort to boost the media company's online traffic but does not plan any editorial changes at the eight-year-old Web magazine." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic... | Oct 27 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Melinda Gates Joins Washington Post Co. as Director : http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar... | Oct 27 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | "The Washington Post Co. elected Melinda French Gates -- a former Microsoft Corp. executive and wife of founder Bill Gates -- to its board yesterday, adding the spouse of the world's richest person to a 10-member board that already includes the world's second-richest person, Warren E. Buffett." | Oct 27 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | I think we got a rant here. | Oct 27 14:41 |
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| PetoKraus | lol, i am testing the OOo 3.0 pdf import extension | Oct 27 15:38 |
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| PetoKraus | great! | Oct 27 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | The engine for this was made available as free software some time ago. It can be used for many useful things. | Oct 27 15:40 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Oct 27 15:40 |
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| PetoKraus | it's amazing | Oct 27 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | Google has a proprietary engine to translate PDFs to HTML. | Oct 27 15:40 |
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| PetoKraus | AND gpl 3.0 | Oct 27 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's possible to build a search engine for PDFs in this way. | Oct 27 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | There was a tool called killdoc or killword that can be used to mass convert RedmondB1nar1ies into plain text. | Oct 27 15:42 |
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| PetoKraus | i can't find the import of OOXML feature in OOo | Oct 27 15:43 |
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| PetoKraus | is it by extension? | Oct 27 15:43 |
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| PetoKraus | ah, it seems it's in-built | Oct 27 15:44 |
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| PetoKraus | btw, did you know that: if you under gentoo emerge openoffice-bin, you get clean OOo binary, but if you emerge openoffice, you get openoffice + Gooo patches? | Oct 27 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | Gentoo is being Novellised as well then, eh? | Oct 27 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | Same with some other distros. Novell wants to 'steal' Sun's contract and at the same time pollute the sofwtare with stuff its customers are 'allowed' to use. | Oct 27 15:50 |
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| trmanco | http://www.readmetro.com/sho... | Oct 27 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | Why do they put a picture of a villain at the top? | Oct 27 15:55 |
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| PetoKraus | well, most users emerge openoffice-bin, since merging OOO takes 4 hours and 6gb hdd | Oct 27 15:56 |
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| PetoKraus | both are LGPL-2 licensed | Oct 27 15:57 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, don't know | Oct 27 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Billg: "Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." | Oct 27 15:58 |
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| trmanco | looks weird and absurd, all I can say is that it is made "the Portuguese way"... but at least they have a reference to Ooo3 | Oct 27 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | Bill and Nathan (Myhrvold) think of themselves as Gods with a God-given right to think and innovate... and become patents trolls that threaten others who dare to think. Anyhoo... | Oct 27 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls | Oct 27 16:05 |
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| PetoKraus | what the | Oct 27 16:06 |
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| PetoKraus | ah, i see now | Oct 27 16:06 |
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| PetoKraus | that pseudo-RMS guy | Oct 27 16:06 |
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| PetoKraus | oh, it's RMS himself | Oct 27 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 27 16:09 |
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| PetoKraus | you know, gnash renders a bit badly | Oct 27 16:09 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Oct 27 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | gnash doesn't like RMS? | Oct 27 16:09 |
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| PetoKraus | :D yeah | Oct 27 16:11 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus -> look at the amount of €£€£ raised | Oct 27 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | I saw it the other day. | Oct 27 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | God bless them. | Oct 27 16:20 |
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| mib_s1h0mn | hello, did you read his article http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2... | Oct 27 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | He beat me to it. | Oct 27 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | I posted about it a minute ago. | Oct 27 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/27/s... | Oct 27 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | BB wrote to say (with permission to quote: "Basically, I've reached a point where I'm less concerned with who's right and who's wrong in such issues than the effect of such large scale disputes on the entire free software community. " | Oct 27 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | "Regardless of the details, I think that these disputes can only keep people from working together, and harm free software as a cause." Well, I might publish an article after all... we'll see. | Oct 27 17:38 |
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| twitter | Peto, if gnash is having trouble use clive. | Oct 27 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | Changes coming to Sun: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_... | Oct 27 18:26 |
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| twitter | "The Washington Post Co. elected Melinda French Gates" oh no. | Oct 27 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Funny one... Asay and Rosenberg were in InfoWorld (the former invited by the latter), then they both moved to CNET and now a joint domain: http://www.opensources.com/2008/10/26/open... | Oct 27 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: it's old news (WP): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/2... | Oct 27 18:31 |
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| twitter | Here's a link to the 10% figure. It's what portion all of the banks will spend on staff. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/o... Given the half million dollar parties AIG likes to throw, 10% is a low estimate. | Oct 27 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Well, do out there (the parties), have a good pay. You sponsor it after all. | Oct 27 18:35 |
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| twitter | Hmm, speaking of parties and slime, Slate's Farhad Manjoo disses Ralph Nader as well as Ubuntu. | Oct 27 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | dir.salon.com/topics/farhad_manjoo/ | Oct 27 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's a mixed bag... Farhad Manjoo | Oct 27 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. http://dir.salon.com/topics/farhad_manjoo/ | Oct 27 18:51 |
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| twitter | Oh my, the comments are not friendly. " If you're the tech saavy columnist for Slate, then Slate is seen as a joke" | Oct 27 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | Where? | Oct 27 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | TuxMachines is still pointing to proprietary software.. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/27/... | Oct 27 18:54 |
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| twitter | It was the second comment. | Oct 27 18:55 |
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| twitter | The first one said about the same thing. Stuff about ten minutes of use and unfair judgments. | Oct 27 18:56 |
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| twitter | One thing that stood out to me is him dissing package managers for needing to add repositories for non free junk. | Oct 27 18:57 |
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| twitter | Does he really expect free software distributions to bear the cost of distributing non free code? | Oct 27 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Funny that one... http://www.pcmech.com/article/w... | Oct 27 18:59 |
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