12.05.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 4th, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:57 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Omar87	schestowitz: You know why I wrote it this way? Because from what you’ve told me just moments ago, those guys a professional MS guardians, so I had to appear a little aggressive in front of them, just to make them feel as if they’re talking to some just as strong as they are.	Dec 04 16:50
Omar87	someone**	Dec 04 16:50
schestowitz	True.	Dec 04 16:51
schestowitz	But the trolls are not this guy	Dec 04 16:51
schestowitz	I feed not the trolls though.	Dec 04 16:52
Omar87	schestowitz: Excuse me?	Dec 04 16:52
schestowitz	There are some real trolls in that thread.	Dec 04 16:54
schestowitz	Familiar names.	Dec 04 16:54
Omar87	schestowitz: mhmm.. such as..?	Dec 04 16:54
Omar87	schestowitz: can you give me some of their names?	Dec 04 16:56
schestowitz	NOVL is tanking today	Dec 04 16:57
schestowitz	It’s the day of the report.	Dec 04 16:57
Omar87	report?	Dec 04 16:57
schestowitz	0.20 (4.90%)	Dec 04 16:57
schestowitz	Financial report.	Dec 04 16:57
schestowitz	-0.20 (4.90%)	Dec 04 16:57
schestowitz	After market close…	Dec 04 16:57
schestowitz	The investors seem worried.. second day straight.	Dec 04 16:58
Omar87	schestowitz: Oh yeah! Thanks for mentioning that. I’m also welling to know how well those guys are doing.	Dec 04 16:58
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schestowitz	Well or /un/well?	Dec 04 17:04
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Omar87	schestowitz: Actually, I want to know that because this does serve as evidence in our further blogging, right?	Dec 04 17:09
Omar87	schestowitz: That’s why I said I’m welling to know.	Dec 04 17:10
schestowitz	Yes, definitely.	Dec 04 17:11
twitter	That thread is going on forever isn’t it? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/03/novell-i…	Dec 04 17:11
Omar87	schestowitz: Okay, how about now? http://omarsdaydreams.blogspot.co…	Dec 04 17:11
twitter	reading	Dec 04 17:12
Omar87	twitter: OMG!! 176 friggin’ comments? schestowitz, Are you sure your database is large enough to painlessly accommodate all that? (J/K)	Dec 04 17:13
twitter	I think what I had to say about OOXML applies. If M$ wants to cooperate, they will GPL their code and use reasonable standards instead of extorting the world with secrets and monopolies.	Dec 04 17:13
Omar87	twitter: Exactly.	Dec 04 17:14
schestowitz	IT IS NOT OFTEN that anyone at Waggener Edstrom, Microsoft’s pet public relations firm, writes to The INQUIRER. < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/ne… >	Dec 04 17:15
Omar87	twitter: But you know Microsoft. How can GPL’ling OOXML be of any financial benefit Gates and Ballmer? At least it won’t serve in making them the richest two men in the world, right?	Dec 04 17:16
twitter	They do, they just don’t let you know.	Dec 04 17:16
twitter	Omar87, other people’s financial benefit is not my concern. I’m not willing to surrender my freedom for them to make money.	Dec 04 17:17
Omar87	twitter: That’s right, I share you the same point of view. I’m just being sarcastic.	Dec 04 17:18
twitter	I see :)	Dec 04 17:18
Omar87	twitter: So, what do you think of my post?	Dec 04 17:19
twitter	It was interesting, thanks.	Dec 04 17:20
twitter	Some people advance the self interest of M$ as a serious argument. It’s strange they think that way.	Dec 04 17:21
twitter	Generally, they tell people they won’t be able to make money if M$ is not allowed to make money with non free software. They might as well defend the rugged individualism of muggers.	Dec 04 17:22
Omar87	twitter: You’re welcome.	Dec 04 17:22
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twitter	Wow, that WE guy got spanked.	Dec 04 17:27
twitter	It’s quite a story.	Dec 04 17:28
Omar87	Unfortunately, that’s true. But what’s far from truth is what they claim. Because, as the fact keeps proving itself, FOSS keeps on opening endless success opportunities in so many aspects. not only Financially. While at the other hand, it is becoming crystal clear that proprietary is more of a money-burning technique than people think it is.	Dec 04 17:28
twitter	M$ is really getting desperate to try to bully the Inquirer like that. They should have known it would blow back in their face.	Dec 04 17:29
schestowitz	NOVL keeps sliding.	Dec 04 17:39
twitter	So they do.	Dec 04 17:41
Omar87	schestowitz: Let us all hope it keeps on sliding until it reaches a high cliff and falls off it head-first,lol.	Dec 04 17:41
schestowitz	twitter: yes, I’ll write about WE	Dec 04 17:42
Omar87	schestowitz: What’s WE?	Dec 04 17:42
schestowitz	Waggener Edstrom	Dec 04 17:42
schestowitz	Microsoft shills in suits	Dec 04 17:42
schestowitz	Should be in prison, IMHO	Dec 04 17:43
schestowitz	They also help the bribing of bloggers, arm-twisting, planting of articles, eyc.	Dec 04 17:43
schestowitz	Waggener Edstrom is a front. Like the mafia…	Dec 04 17:43
schestowitz	Would you be able to update your story to reflect this? Please let me know.	Dec 04 17:44
schestowitz	Rickard Andersson: revisionist	Dec 04 17:44
Omar87	schestowitz: Okay, sure.	Dec 04 17:45
Omar87	schestowitz: How do I suggest I make the updates?	Dec 04 17:45
Omar87	How do you suggest I make the update?	Dec 04 17:45
schestowitz	Didn’t they have a dossier on Egan?	Dec 04 17:45
schestowitz	They should have done enough spying to know he’s trouble to the Vole	Dec 04 17:46
schestowitz	He reads Groklaw.	Dec 04 17:46
schestowitz	The political censor get a big axe: AT&T will slash 12,000 from workforce < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/0… >	Dec 04 17:48
schestowitz	That still leaves 96% of them to serve Bush with snoops and political censorship	Dec 04 17:48
schestowitz	They are also swpats lobbyists	Dec 04 17:49
schestowitz	Sleazy company really… lots of information accumulated here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/0…	Dec 04 17:49
Omar87	schestowitz: Sure I can update my story, but can you please tell me what to write?	Dec 04 17:50
twitter	ATT is evil.	Dec 04 17:50
schestowitz	This is sad though: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008…	Dec 04 17:51
schestowitz	Omar87: I saw you made the front page of Free Software Daily	Dec 04 17:51
schestowitz	Monster.com Founder Andrew McKelvey Dies < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/11/29/m… >	Dec 04 17:54
schestowitz	Gordon Michaels: ”In my (humble) opinion this person should not be taken seriously. Neither should I, but then I’m not pretending to be engaged in the discussion at hand.”	Dec 04 17:56
schestowitz	Translation: I am just here to fling crap at the walls. I am not interested in this site, but I stalk people here.	Dec 04 17:56
schestowitz	Virtually Every Windows PC at Risk, Says Secuni < More than 98% of Windows computers harbor at least one unpatched application, and nearly half contain 11 or more programs at risk from attack, a Danish security company said Wednesday. >	Dec 04 17:57
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/154944/ev…	Dec 04 17:57
Omar87	schestowitz: The front page of FSD?	Dec 04 17:59
Omar87	schestowitz: Where?	Dec 04 18:00
Omar87	schestowitz: Oh, okay I get it, lol.	Dec 04 18:01
schestowitz	Glitch in The Matrix.. Networking Glitch Knocks Yahoo Offline for Some < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1549… >	Dec 04 18:01
schestowitz	bbl (in two hours)	Dec 04 18:02
Omar87	schestowitz: take care, dude.	Dec 04 18:03
trmanco	http://graphjam.com/2008/11/30/song-chart-…	Dec 04 18:23
trmanco	http://nettuts.com/articles/news/how-to-setu…	Dec 04 18:26
trmanco	http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/…	Dec 04 18:27
twitter	You need to tag or ban that Michaels clown.	Dec 04 18:28
twitter	M$ autowrong, very funny graph.	Dec 04 18:30
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trmanco	http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?o…	Dec 04 18:41
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SubsonicB	cheers everyone	Dec 04 18:43
Omar871	SubsonicB: Cheers.	Dec 04 18:46
trmanco	http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-110491/fail:d…	Dec 04 18:46
trmanco	Hi	Dec 04 18:46
SubsonicB	thanks trmanco	Dec 04 18:49
SubsonicB	btw is there a plugin to embed ODF documents into Firefox	Dec 04 18:49
SubsonicB	?	Dec 04 18:49
SubsonicB	It would be very useful for example for a document manager or intranet	Dec 04 18:49
trmanco	SubsonicB, http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/09/openoffice…	Dec 04 18:50
SubsonicB	Like to use docmgr or knowledgetree with firefox	Dec 04 18:50
SubsonicB	great	Dec 04 18:51
trmanco	https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef…	Dec 04 18:52
trmanco	the addon got lost in time	Dec 04 18:52
trmanco		Dec 04 18:52
twitter	the kword kpart should be able to do this, but kword 3.5 branch has not been doing as well as it could.	Dec 04 18:53
SubsonicB	that one works with ff older versions (up to v.2)	Dec 04 18:53
SubsonicB	the fail blog rocks! http://failblog.org/2008/07/02/microsoft-fail/	Dec 04 18:54
twitter	the spreadsheet part works very well and I think it does excel too.	Dec 04 18:54
SubsonicB	thx twitter	Dec 04 18:54
trmanco	lol	Dec 04 18:55
SubsonicB		Dec 04 18:55
twitter	here’s a fail log of sorts. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213707	Dec 04 18:58
trmanco	nice log	Dec 04 19:03
Omar871	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_Msrdg3Hk&feature=dir, ROFLMAO!	Dec 04 19:09
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SubsonicB	cool!	Dec 04 19:13
twitter	entertainment as advertisement	Dec 04 19:27
twitter	entertaining enough	Dec 04 19:27
schestowitz	twitter: I’ll warn the Michaels persona before flagging. It’s going over the top	Dec 04 20:04
SubsonicB	Roy good fight at the ooxml post!	Dec 04 20:07
schestowitz	Yes, but I don’t know why.	Dec 04 20:07
schestowitz	It’s just recursive.	Dec 04 20:07
SubsonicB	that was how many 180 comments?	Dec 04 20:07
SubsonicB	yes	Dec 04 20:07
schestowitz	twitter: remind me to flag the Michaels thing in case I forget.	Dec 04 20:07
schestowitz	SubsonicB: we’ve had more in some posts.	Dec 04 20:07
schestowitz	Ta for the links, trmanco. Added.	Dec 04 20:09
SubsonicB	they never get tired of repeating MSFT’s marketing chatter?	Dec 04 20:10
schestowitz	brb	Dec 04 20:13
trmanco	you’re welcome	Dec 04 20:14
SubsonicB	new version of SME server http://wiki.contribs.org/SME_Server:Download	Dec 04 20:17
SubsonicB	for SMBs on a tight budget	Dec 04 20:17
SubsonicB	beats Microsoft SBS hands down	Dec 04 20:17
SubsonicB	anyday	Dec 04 20:17
SubsonicB	I read a very good article on how the economic crisis is good for Free Software, I just cant find it	Dec 04 20:18
SubsonicB	also check this one http://ebox-platform.com/	Dec 04 20:19
schestowitz	Oh	Dec 04 20:25
schestowitz	SubsonicB: remember BitRock?	Dec 04 20:25
SubsonicB	sure	Dec 04 20:25
schestowitz	SubsonicB: there are many articles like that	Dec 04 20:25
schestowitz	Re: BitRock, Microsoft tries wrapping them up	Dec 04 20:26
schestowitz	First the Walli thing	Dec 04 20:26
SubsonicB	what do you mean	Dec 04 20:26
schestowitz	Now Port25 blogs about them	Dec 04 20:26
SubsonicB	hmmm	Dec 04 20:26
schestowitz	About how they feel about Microsoft and stuff..	Dec 04 20:26
schestowitz	Here’s my hypothesis	Dec 04 20:27
SubsonicB	do you have a link	Dec 04 20:27
schestowitz	Microsoft has ‘softeners’	Dec 04 20:27
SubsonicB	softeners like Walli…	Dec 04 20:27
schestowitz	People whose role — whether designed or not — to make people like Microsoft	Dec 04 20:27
schestowitz	de Icazas of sorts..	Dec 04 20:27
schestowitz	Like the hecklers we have in BN	Dec 04 20:27
schestowitz	Groklaw has some too	Dec 04 20:27
SubsonicB	sure thing	Dec 04 20:27
schestowitz	It was published by the Galli mole in Port25 blog some days afo	Dec 04 20:28
SubsonicB	but you and pj know better	Dec 04 20:28
schestowitz	I found it via 451 Group	Dec 04 20:28
SubsonicB	ok ill check it	Dec 04 20:28
schestowitz	Post link here…	Dec 04 20:28
schestowitz	I think I did (in IRC) when I saw it..	Dec 04 20:28
SubsonicB	http://port25.technet.com/archi…	Dec 04 20:31
schestowitz	That Michaels creature left almost 100 comments that are abusive.	Dec 04 20:32
schestowitz	That leaves lots of work flagging.	Dec 04 20:32
SubsonicB	heh you are giving MSFT shills a lot of work!!!	Dec 04 20:32
SubsonicB	MSFT wants to take people away from the LAMP stack and replace it for WAMP, Bitrock makes it easy to install Apache+PHP+MYSQL+The app you need in Windows	Dec 04 20:38
SubsonicB	That is why MSFT is interested in them	Dec 04 20:38
SubsonicB	And let me tell you something: It won’t work. The same web app on a Windows system crawls when compared to the performance over GNU/Linux	Dec 04 20:40
SubsonicB	Moreover you have the added overhead of the WinOS	Dec 04 20:41
SubsonicB	overhead both in terms of wasted performance and licence cost	Dec 04 20:41
SubsonicB	and abysmal security	Dec 04 20:41
schestowitz	OK, done (Michaels’ comments are a lot longer now)	Dec 04 20:43
schestowitz	SubsonicB: they try to work with PHP (Zend) too	Dec 04 20:44
schestowitz	And now with Apache	Dec 04 20:44
schestowitz	Their goal is to change that.,	Dec 04 20:44
SubsonicB	yes but at the end of the day it wont work	Dec 04 20:44
schestowitz	They already keep bragging like a broken radio that PHP is sometimes faster in Win32	Dec 04 20:44
schestowitz	SubsonicB: true, but let’s keep our eye open	Dec 04 20:44
SubsonicB	sure	Dec 04 20:45
schestowitz	That’s not the story MS tells tjhem	Dec 04 20:45
SubsonicB	i am very aware of the issue	Dec 04 20:45
schestowitz	It will have them believe that Win32 is better	Dec 04 20:45
SubsonicB	Bitrock is a spanish company	Dec 04 20:45
schestowitz	It can bribe the shills O’ Gartner to say that too.	Dec 04 20:45
schestowitz	“Studies’, slog, you know the gig…	Dec 04 20:45
SubsonicB	tey can do whatever they want	Dec 04 20:45
SubsonicB	but people is realising the emperor has no clothes	Dec 04 20:45
schestowitz	All I can do is write about it.	Dec 04 20:46
schestowitz	These people have nothing is mind but stripping GNU/Linux off app	Dec 04 20:46
SubsonicB	Think about something	Dec 04 20:46
schestowitz	What saddens me are ignorant people who think that Microsoftg cares for the O/S is threatens to sue while trying to make its investors happy	Dec 04 20:46
schestowitz	BTW, Novell’s results should be out any moment.	Dec 04 20:46
SubsonicB	¿How many people is going to switch away from GNU/Linux thanks to Bitnami?	Dec 04 20:46
schestowitz	It could be big	Dec 04 20:46
schestowitz	They could announce layoffs, IMHO	Dec 04 20:47
SubsonicB	¿And how many people is swithcing to GNU/Linux THANKS TO WUBI????	Dec 04 20:47
SubsonicB	:_D	Dec 04 20:47
schestowitz	Well, Microsoft knows this.	Dec 04 20:47
SubsonicB		Dec 04 20:47
schestowitz	It knows that FOSS brings people to GNU/Linux	Dec 04 20:47
SubsonicB	MWBAHAHAHHAHA	Dec 04 20:47
schestowitz	But it tries to grab opportunities.	Dec 04 20:47
schestowitz	It’s better for it to do it than NOT to do it.	Dec 04 20:47
schestowitz	And we must inform people.	Dec 04 20:48
SubsonicB	Also MSFT is helping a lot thanks to Vista and WindowsVaporware7	Dec 04 20:48
schestowitz	If Bitnami follow the conversdation, then it should at least be aware	Dec 04 20:48
schestowitz	Microsoft is a user (I have court exhibits about it)	Dec 04 20:48
schestowitz	It will suck the life out of any third party if it’s good for MSFT investors	Dec 04 20:48
schestowitz	Bad reputation is not a problem because Microsoft owns DoJ and the press.	Dec 04 20:49
SubsonicB	yes it is a risk	Dec 04 20:49
schestowitz	This means they can get away with crime and then revisionism.	Dec 04 20:49
schestowitz	Apathy is dangerous.	Dec 04 20:49
SubsonicB	I think its going to become a little harder now	Dec 04 20:49
SubsonicB	due to the change of administration	Dec 04 20:49
schestowitz	Some people say “leave Microsoft alone, they ruin themselves anyway”	Dec 04 20:49
SubsonicB	and the conomic meltdown	Dec 04 20:49
schestowitz	But it doesn’t mean they’re over until they are over	Dec 04 20:49
schestowitz	Even Microsoft knows this.	Dec 04 20:50
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schestowitz	See Slog.doc	Dec 04 20:50
schestowitz	Microsoft already has layoffs	Dec 04 20:50
SubsonicB	you are right we must keep fighting and unveiling the true motives	Dec 04 20:50
schestowitz	They buy some companies (they have little money left), so they fake growth of workforce	Dec 04 20:50
schestowitz	That’s far from sustainable.	Dec 04 20:50
schestowitz	At the moment they think of patent-trolling as a revenue stream	Dec 04 20:50
SubsonicB	patent litigation is very expensive, though	Dec 04 20:51
schestowitz	From companies like Xerox, Novell and many others they already have an extortion pipe. They get money out of nothing (imaginary property and racketeering)	Dec 04 20:51
schestowitz	They don’t need to litigate	Dec 04 20:51
SubsonicB	yep	Dec 04 20:51
schestowitz	See the Myhrvold troll.	Dec 04 20:51
schestowitz	They need to threaten.	Dec 04 20:51
schestowitz	The mafia man needn’t /USE/ the gun	Dec 04 20:51
schestowitz	If he has a chain of bullet on him, he can empty the register before you can utter “no”	Dec 04 20:52
SubsonicB	yes they just use the /FEAR/	Dec 04 20:52
SubsonicB	but come to think of it	Dec 04 20:52
SubsonicB	someday they are going to piss off some other company BIG TIME	Dec 04 20:52
SubsonicB	it already happened with HP and the Vista ready fiasco	Dec 04 20:53
SubsonicB	Also ACER was very upset at them	Dec 04 20:53
SubsonicB	Microsoft is nothing without the OEMs	Dec 04 20:53
SubsonicB	and they are starting to give MSFT the back	Dec 04 20:53
schestowitz	Which company?	Dec 04 20:54
schestowitz	Oh, Acer…	Dec 04 20:54
schestowitz	They hate Microsoft..	Dec 04 20:54
SubsonicB	not to speak of GOOGLE	Dec 04 20:54
schestowitz	Maybe Microsoft will pressure the CEO out.	Dec 04 20:54
SubsonicB	and they don’t dare to mess with IBM	Dec 04 20:54
schestowitz	All the OEMs hate them	Dec 04 20:54
schestowitz	Acer spoke on their behalf about Vista.	Dec 04 20:54
SubsonicB	Dell has already defected	Dec 04 20:55
schestowitz	You could also see what H-P said to Microsoft after the Intel collusion	Dec 04 20:55
schestowitz	It got unsealed in the court.	Dec 04 20:55
schestowitz	They spoke to Microsoft as though it was their house cleaner that stole money	Dec 04 20:55
SubsonicB	Dell has kept the Ubuntu line	Dec 04 20:55
schestowitz	IBM has a new attack on the Vole.	Dec 04 20:56
SubsonicB	suddenly Linux has become an unlikely ally of the OEMs	Dec 04 20:56
MinceR	dell still pays them for the patent racket, don’t they?	Dec 04 20:56
schestowitz	Today: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/04/ibm_l… http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008…	Dec 04 20:56
schestowitz	Microsoft should be terrified of IBM because it’s about 5 times heavier and has more physical assets (and h/w patents too)	Dec 04 20:56
MinceR	and almost all OEMs still advertise windows	Dec 04 20:57
schestowitz	MinceR: yes, they do, AFAIK	Dec 04 20:57
schestowitz	They keep secret about it	Dec 04 20:57
MinceR	IBM is slow and inactive	Dec 04 20:57
schestowitz	We should pressure Dell to spill the beans	Dec 04 20:57
PetoKraus	schestowitz: got some evidence for that? ( “what H-P said to Microsoft after the Intel collusion” )	Dec 04 20:57
MinceR	they could have crushed m$ any time but they didn’t do anything	Dec 04 20:57
schestowitz	They ‘joined’ the Microsoft/Novell deal 1 WEEK before the big attack	Dec 04 20:57
schestowitz	May 2007	Dec 04 20:57
schestowitz	Wait..	Dec 04 20:57
MinceR	schestowitz: how can we pressure dell?	Dec 04 20:57
MinceR	schestowitz: and what do we know about the deal already?	Dec 04 20:58
PetoKraus	http://www.maidenart.co.uk/images/…	Dec 04 20:59
trmanco	Finnix 92.1 Is Powered by a New Kernel: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Finnix-92-1-Is…	Dec 04 20:59
trmanco	92.1 :O	Dec 04 20:59
schestowitz	Read this:	Dec 04 20:59
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/…	Dec 04 20:59
schestowitz	It’s short, but it’s shockingly familiar.	Dec 04 21:00
schestowitz	It’s as though Dell was warned about the patent attack.	Dec 04 21:00
schestowitz	MinceR: here is what I knew one year ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/08/27/n…	Dec 04 21:00
schestowitz	Follow the link at the bottom for updates	Dec 04 21:00
MinceR	thanks	Dec 04 21:02
schestowitz	I have evidence, no answers.	Dec 04 21:02
schestowitz	Dell made it mysterious. As in… “we joined the patent deal” crowd: what does that mean. “Dell: never mind; carry on with your thing. No questions”.	Dec 04 21:03
SubsonicB	interesting…	Dec 04 21:03
trmanco	http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Cla…	Dec 04 21:04
SubsonicB	they are dumping the console market with the XBox	Dec 04 21:04
SubsonicB	they are selling at big losses	Dec 04 21:04
schestowitz	YEs	Dec 04 21:05
schestowitz	Let them lose billiobs	Dec 04 21:05
SubsonicB	But most gamers know XBox 360 is defective	Dec 04 21:05
schestowitz	They already do that with Zune, Live.	Dec 04 21:05
SubsonicB	Even Microsoft admitted that EVERY console was defective	Dec 04 21:05
schestowitz	Even Windows Mobile is a brick.	Dec 04 21:05
schestowitz	They are ./still/ defenctive.	Dec 04 21:05
schestowitz	One Microsoft guy blew the whistle.	Dec 04 21:05
SubsonicB	yes	Dec 04 21:05
schestowitz	67% failure rate	Dec 04 21:06
schestowitz	He got sacked	Dec 04 21:06
SubsonicB	They are replacing the units by the thousands, but it is a bad design problem. I think the failure rate is even higher, in the order of 80%	Dec 04 21:06
schestowitz	Here is a decent post about it: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/15/mic…	Dec 04 21:06
schestowitz	It’s a summary of many things. Should make you sick, I reckin..	Dec 04 21:07
schestowitz	*ckon	Dec 04 21:07
schestowitz	80% sounds like too much. Depends on period of time measured, I guess.	Dec 04 21:07
trmanco	Microsoft Plans Eight Security Bulletins for Patch Tuesday: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Microsoft-Plans-Eight-S…	Dec 04 21:07
schestowitz	Funny that the logo has a shining green in it. Most gamers see lots of red lights (of death)	Dec 04 21:08
trmanco	another bunch	Dec 04 21:08
schestowitz	Don’t worry.	Dec 04 21:08
schestowitz	Microsoft will sent the Waggener Edstrom ‘mafia’ to bully journos who write about it.	Dec 04 21:08
trmanco	and I won’t	Dec 04 21:08
schestowitz	“IT IS NOT OFTEN that anyone at Waggener Edstrom, Microsoft’s pet public relations firm, writes to The INQUIRER. Read on, and we think you’ll soon understand why that’s the case.” http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news…	Dec 04 21:08
twitter	“OK, done (Michaels’ comments are a lot longer now)” Thanks. 100+ comments in how many days?	Dec 04 21:09
schestowitz	They did the same for OOXML	Dec 04 21:09
trmanco	http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22100/53/	Dec 04 21:09
schestowitz	Someone criticises OOXML	Dec 04 21:09
schestowitz	And suddenly gets an E-mail asking for a “better” article	Dec 04 21:09
schestowitz	twitter: took about 15 minutes. Done job. He’s gone offboard. Should seek medical help for chronic obsession…	Dec 04 21:10
schestowitz	Keep your door shut. He might have a crush on that twitter guy…	Dec 04 21:10
SubsonicB	I think MSFT has long ago striving for survival	Dec 04 21:11
SubsonicB	if only OpenOffice or GNU/Linux can get the market penetration of Mozilla Firefox they will be doomed for good	Dec 04 21:11
twitter	He’s paid to do it. One of my Slashdot stalkers is talking about the character too. They are probably the same person.	Dec 04 21:12
trmanco	schestowitz, nice article	Dec 04 21:12
trmanco	the vista kernel one	Dec 04 21:12
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*schestowitz just seen that XBox ‘article’… the MS boosters were all over this one right after the announcement. Like a group of parrots saluting the emperor		Dec 04 21:14
trmanco	Novell, Guess highlight after-hours session: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story….	Dec 04 21:15
schestowitz	They will hide many things.	Dec 04 21:15
schestowitz	The goal will be to find out what they DON’T say	Dec 04 21:16
schestowitz	Netware must be sinking like a rock beecause of the recession	Dec 04 21:16
schestowitz	That’s where all their dough comes from	Dec 04 21:16
schestowitz	Without Netware, there’s no Novell.	Dec 04 21:16
schestowitz	The Linux part of the company is just hundreds of people.	Dec 04 21:16
schestowitz	The company, as a whole, comprises about 4,000 (and declining)	Dec 04 21:16
trmanco	Firefox users targeted by rare piece of malware: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/120408-fire…	Dec 04 21:17
schestowitz	NOVL is down over 6% at the moment.	Dec 04 21:17
schestowitz	I saw pessimism yesterday	Dec 04 21:17
trmanco	“Trojan.PWS.ChromeInject.A” -> this seems like a Windows thing, so I don’t have to worry	Dec 04 21:18
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/04/… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/03/n…	Dec 04 21:18
schestowitz	trmanco: no, no need to worry	Dec 04 21:18
trmanco	:-p	Dec 04 21:18
schestowitz	“There haven’t been any major new malware attacks to suggest increasing Mac marketshare has generated more malware. Just two weeks ago, I blogged that in fact Apple’s increasing marketshare hadn’t led to more attacks—that Microsoft’s marketshare mythology is wrong.” http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/s…	Dec 04 21:18
schestowitz	that’s from a Microsoft fan	Dec 04 21:18
schestowitz	“I’m a huge fan of guerrilla marketing.” –Joe Wilcox, Microsoft Fan	Dec 04 21:19
trmanco	I have some mac friends and they have never used an anti virus for mac viruses	Dec 04 21:20
trmanco	not even now they use one	Dec 04 21:20
schestowitz	Andy Patrizio, a pro-Microsoft guy (typicall) uses the label “anti-Microsoft sentiment”	Dec 04 21:21
trmanco	with all this “mac is vulnerable” hype	Dec 04 21:21
schestowitz	That’s like saying the “Anti-Stalin” or “anti-murder” crown… Ah! Those intolerant people	Dec 04 21:21
schestowitz	Those ‘zealots’. They oppose crime	Dec 04 21:21
schestowitz	China: We’ll keep Red Flag flying here < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2008… > << largest Internet population	Dec 04 21:22
trmanco	1.3 billion people to use GNU/Linux	Dec 04 21:25
schestowitz	They forgot an important O/S here: http://gizmodo.com/5101337/giz-explains-why-os-x-shrug…	Dec 04 21:27
schestowitz	The one which runs (securely) a lot of the world’s critical server.	Dec 04 21:28
schestowitz	*vers	Dec 04 21:28
schestowitz	Add David Meyer to this week’s Mono/light boosters http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,10… Not too surprising as David uses SUSE (blech)	Dec 04 21:28
schestowitz	trmanco: shout out when you find out NOVL results stuff. Expect some fancy headline that only talks about Linux sales (minority) but nothing else and a subheadline with some numbers that are selective.	Dec 04 21:31
trmanco	ok	Dec 04 21:33
schestowitz	LOL just found this: http://www.vistaisrubbish.com/	Dec 04 21:36
trmanco	rubbish lol	Dec 04 21:36
trmanco	I kinda like this British word	Dec 04 21:36
SubsonicB	Hasta la Vista, baby (Terminator said)	Dec 04 21:39
trmanco	I’ll be back!!	Dec 04 21:40
SubsonicB	heh	Dec 04 21:41
SubsonicB	Must go now,guys. Happy microtroll hunting!!!	Dec 04 21:43
schestowitz	More MS layoffs	Dec 04 21:46
*schestowitz doing a quick post.		Dec 04 21:46
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twitter	bwahahaha!	Dec 04 21:46
schestowitz	There’ some silly gates appearance in CNN	Dec 04 21:48
schestowitz	I can see that… OJ Simpson, Gates… who’s next? Hans Reister?	Dec 04 21:48
schestowitz	*Reiser?	Dec 04 21:48
schestowitz	BN in Portugal: http://www.computerworld.com.pt/sit…	Dec 04 21:53
twitter	this http://www.techflash.com/venture/3… is doing M$ damage control about layoffs.	Dec 04 21:53
schestowitz	Yes, they have a batch of them	Dec 04 21:53
schestowitz	Do to the G and search for “Mcirosoft layoffs”	Dec 04 21:53
schestowitz	A lot of people search for these nowadays.	Dec 04 21:53
schestowitz	They had Ozzie (IIRC, maybe Mundie) doing a denial last week	Dec 04 21:54
schestowitz	Then there was another some days ago. They really go out of their way. Google likewise, I think, but I’m not sure.	Dec 04 21:54
schestowitz	The days of chefs of days of “fun research” (once a week) are over in Google.	Dec 04 21:55
schestowitz	I’m glad I didn’t go to work for them.	Dec 04 21:55
SubsonicB	minimsft will be happy	Dec 04 21:55
SubsonicB	if he remains at the company, anyway	Dec 04 21:56
SubsonicB	I really must go now.	Dec 04 21:56
SubsonicB	Beware of the shills…	Dec 04 21:57
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/…	Dec 04 21:57
SubsonicB	take care everyone	Dec 04 21:57
schestowitz	Take care	Dec 04 21:57
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schestowitz	That IBM thingie…. several days ago I thought they had made promises in vain, but it’s materialising… http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/IBM-Virtual-D… … it’s PROPRIETARY software though. They ought to encourage use of F/OSS.	Dec 04 22:01
schestowitz	It’s IBM lockin… on top of Ubuntu.	Dec 04 22:01
trmanco	schestowitz, do you know ruel smith?	Dec 04 22:02
trmanco	he seem to be using Linux	Dec 04 22:02
schestowitz	Rehttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specia…	Dec 04 22:06
schestowitz	Notable?	Dec 04 22:06
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speci…	Dec 04 22:07
trmanco	lol	Dec 04 22:07
trmanco	on usenet	Dec 04 22:07
schestowitz	http://www.svacomputerart.com/smith.html ?	Dec 04 22:07
schestowitz	Oh	Dec 04 22:07
trmanco	did you ever see him?	Dec 04 22:07
schestowitz	No.	Dec 04 22:07
trmanco		Dec 04 22:07
trmanco	his posts are all from today	Dec 04 22:12
trmanco	as far as I can see, he doesn’t really like you	Dec 04 22:13
trmanco	schestowitz, is there any way we can spoof an emails user-agent?	Dec 04 22:14
schestowitz	news.motzarella.org	Dec 04 22:14
schestowitz	Prabably Gary nyms	Dec 04 22:14
schestowitz	never posted before	Dec 04 22:15
schestowitz	Check headers	Dec 04 22:15
trmanco		Dec 04 22:15
trmanco	he is using slrn	Dec 04 22:15
trmanco	this is why I asked if we can spoof the user-agent	Dec 04 22:15
trmanco	“ethical” “ethical” “ethical” “ethical”	Dec 04 22:16
schestowitz	i replied	Dec 04 22:17
schestowitz	Gary spoofs headers	Dec 04 22:17
trmanco		Dec 04 22:18
trmanco	I knew there was something fishy	Dec 04 22:18
schestowitz		Dec 04 22:18
trmanco	LOL	Dec 04 22:26
trmanco	nice reply	Dec 04 22:26
schestowitz	I’m testing before I shoot	Dec 04 22:28
schestowitz	He has had almost 1000 nyms	Dec 04 22:28
trmanco	but how can he be so different?	Dec 04 22:29
trmanco	he can’t be real	Dec 04 22:29
trmanco		Dec 04 22:29
schestowitz	If someone new comes and knows the newsgroup too well, it’s a nymshift. I could guess even without the motzarella.org. It’s also common for Gary to use foreign name but keep the same wrtiting style, weasel phrases, prejudice and English	Dec 04 22:29
schestowitz	Gary is like Barkto	Dec 04 22:29
schestowitz	Probably a Microsoft agent.	Dec 04 22:29
schestowitz	This is idiotic: Growth in Internet crime calls for growth in punishment < http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=6796 >	Dec 04 22:30
schestowitz	So rather than fix security they think of increasing punishment?	Dec 04 22:30
schestowitz	That’s like saying you’ll stop serving bread in prison in order to reduce murder lev els	Dec 04 22:31
trmanco	…	Dec 04 22:31
schestowitz	The American Juridical system is insane.	Dec 04 22:31
schestowitz	Like that onlone harassment thing… pretend to be a boy, go to jail	Dec 04 22:31
schestowitz	I should not be shocked though. Coming from a country that assassinates leaders of other countries (South America being a good example), putting in puppets, ruining vital infrastructure, assisting assassinations using bodies like CIA and then using embargoes to devastate the public.	Dec 04 22:33
trmanco	finally some support	Dec 04 22:33
schestowitz	How Comcast Controls Sony’s Internet TV Plans < http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/how-co… >. Comcast needs to be shut down already. I have quite a collections of their crimes.	Dec 04 22:34
Eruaran	$ sudo apt-get purge libmono	Dec 04 22:34
Eruaran	[sudo] password for jeremy:	Dec 04 22:34
Eruaran	Reading package lists… Done	Dec 04 22:34
Eruaran	Building dependency tree	Dec 04 22:34
Eruaran	Reading state information… Done	Dec 04 22:34
Eruaran	E: Couldn’t find package libmono	Dec 04 22:34
Eruaran	hehe	Dec 04 22:34
schestowitz	Andy has had a series of politcal posts: http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standa…	Dec 04 22:34
trmanco	libmon0	Dec 04 22:35
schestowitz	Pretty useless for the blog is used to be. The links he posts likewise.	Dec 04 22:35
schestowitz	Daman.	Dec 04 22:35
schestowitz	Damn. I need to install Ubuntu sometimes..	Dec 04 22:35
trmanco	why?	Dec 04 22:35
schestowitz	Just so that I can purge that umbilical cord.	Dec 04 22:35
trmanco	lol	Dec 04 22:35
Eruaran	E: Couldn’t find package libmon0	Dec 04 22:35
trmanco	I can try and find a full purge	Dec 04 22:35
schestowitz	It’s like inflating a balloon just to shoot it.,	Dec 04 22:35
Eruaran		Dec 04 22:36
schestowitz	Maybe I’ll put Mono on Mandriva	Dec 04 22:36
schestowitz	It wanted to invade already	Dec 04 22:36
Eruaran	I could smear poo on my car as well	Dec 04 22:36
schestowitz	There are dependency traps	Dec 04 22:36
Eruaran	But I don’t think I’ll bother	Dec 04 22:36
schestowitz	Lots of people will just install some app like Beagle in Mandriva and get a huge pile of Microsoft garbage along the way, unaware.	Dec 04 22:36
trmanco	my I post the hole log?	Dec 04 22:37
trmanco	here is a snip	Dec 04 22:37
trmanco	sudo apt-get –purge remove mono-common	Dec 04 22:37
trmanco	A Ler Listas de Pacotes… Pronto	Dec 04 22:37
trmanco	Construindo Árvore de Dependências	Dec 04 22:37
trmanco	Lendo informação de estado… Pronto	Dec 04 22:37
trmanco	Os seguintes pacotes foram instalados automáticamente e já não são necessários:	Dec 04 22:37
trmanco	libmono0 sqlite cli-common sqlite3	Dec 04 22:37
trmanco	Utilize ‘apt-get autoremove’ para os remover.	Dec 04 22:37
schestowitz	BN has many readers today. I’m not sure why.	Dec 04 22:37
schestowitz	Oh wait.	Dec 04 22:38
schestowitz	We made Slashdot?>	Dec 04 22:38
schestowitz	Something in the Apple section on /. I can’t find it though.	Dec 04 22:39
trmanco	drm stuff	Dec 04 22:39
schestowitz	We made SFTL bytes… http://wftlbytes.com/content/wft…	Dec 04 22:40
schestowitz	WFTL	Dec 04 22:40
Eruaran	bbl	Dec 04 22:40
trmanco		Dec 04 22:40
schestowitz	Oh, I found it.	Dec 04 22:40
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/20/go…	Dec 04 22:40
schestowitz	This was in /.	Dec 04 22:40
trmanco	I have to go, by guys	Dec 04 22:41
trmanco	bye*	Dec 04 22:41
schestowitz	Whoa.	Dec 04 22:44
schestowitz	Microsoft layoffs qeries doubled.	Dec 04 22:44
schestowitz	*queries	Dec 04 22:44
twitter	cool. It’s nice someone picked up the “X recommends Winblows Professional” story.	Dec 04 22:49
schestowitz	Not just someone	Dec 04 22:49
schestowitz	Many sometones	Dec 04 22:49
schestowitz	It got over 5000 reads within a day or two	Dec 04 22:49
schestowitz	*someones	Dec 04 22:49
schestowitz	This is sad: http://lwn.net/Artic…	Dec 04 22:50
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NZheretic	Just a quick note on how to remove Mono from the default DVD install ( with development ) of Fedora 10 …	Dec 04 22:59
NZheretic	rpm -e mono-addins mono-winforms mono-core mono-data mono-data-sqlite mono-extras mono-web tomboy gtk-sharp2 gnome-desktop-sharp ndesk-dbus ndesk-dbus-glib gmime-sharp gnome-sharp	Dec 04 22:59
schestowitz	Hey	Dec 04 22:59
MinceR	there goes the theory that fedora comes without mono :>	Dec 04 23:00
schestowitz	The Live CD	Dec 04 23:00
schestowitz	Not the Live DVD	Dec 04 23:00
NZheretic	The Live CD does not have them, the DVD does.	Dec 04 23:00
MinceR	ic	Dec 04 23:02
schestowitz	Net filters… the new DRM…. stops innocent people, not the problem though.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/educa…	Dec 04 23:06
schestowitz	Those filters will at least enable political censorship and other ‘unhealthy’ content	Dec 04 23:06
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NZheretic	schestowitz : No they won’t, the ‘unhealthy’ content will just hav a non-violating front/login site keep actual content switched onto separate servers ( on rotating / new IPs ) via SSL.	Dec 04 23:11
schestowitz	The Microsoft-controlled DOJ (almost fact) was going to sue Google: http://techdirt.com/articles/2008…	Dec 04 23:11
schestowitz	It’s sickening that a high legal authority of a nation is made out of cronies.	Dec 04 23:12
NZheretic	schestowitz : But for how much longer?	Dec 04 23:12
schestowitz	They should be ‘flushed’	Dec 04 23:13
schestowitz	I can’t use that story though.	Dec 04 23:14
schestowitz	There is no direct evidence showing Microsoft involvement. it’s said by many experts though that Microsoft poisoned the DOj and I have lots of evidence.	Dec 04 23:14
schestowitz	Obama uses Zune.	Dec 04 23:14
NZheretic	schestowitz : Do you expect any change from the new administration ( http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=57… )?	Dec 04 23:14
schestowitz	Blech. That’s change, eh? From iPod to Zune… don’t expect him to take much action against them.	Dec 04 23:15
schestowitz	NZheretic: you beat me to it.	Dec 04 23:15
schestowitz	You spoke about change while I was writing the above	Dec 04 23:15
schestowitz	Obama is gentle and he already tapped some pro-IP people for the cabonet	Dec 04 23:15
schestowitz	*cabinet	Dec 04 23:15
schestowitz	Actually, i’d go with the typo: CaniNOT!	Dec 04 23:16
schestowitz	Or Cabotnet	Dec 04 23:16
NZheretic	http://change.gov/about/copyright_policy	Dec 04 23:16
schestowitz	Controlled by a botmaster	Dec 04 23:16
NZheretic	“Except where otherwise noted, content on this site is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License. “	Dec 04 23:17
schestowitz	FYI: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/02/micros…	Dec 04 23:17
schestowitz	http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?…	Dec 04 23:17
NZheretic	I think that the original Obama team is beginning to get the Idea.	Dec 04 23:18
schestowitz	Funny to see Ward’s damage control	Dec 04 23:18
schestowitz	We correspond sometimes.	Dec 04 23:18
schestowitz	I’m trying to troll IBM into a fight against Sofwawre Patents.	Dec 04 23:19
schestowitz	Linden still a yo-yo: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Linden-Lab-Appo…	Dec 04 23:22
NZheretic	I’ve wondered about that. Most big corporations ( or their CEOs ) like Patents because they effectively add to the estimated capital value of the corporation. But, probably, if you actually totaled up what a business actually makes from those patents, via what it actually costs them for filing, fighting and settling their and others patent claims it would not come out to anything close to the estimated value of the patents. It it yet another	Dec 04 23:25
NZheretic	false economy ready to collapse?	Dec 04 23:25
schestowitz	It has been said	Dec 04 23:25
schestowitz	Have you seen wrirings about it?	Dec 04 23:25
schestowitz	Early Oct., just after the biggest tumbles in the street	Dec 04 23:26
schestowitz	Oh, I need to check NOVL’s report.	Dec 04 23:26
schestowitz	NOVL reports LOSS	Dec 04 23:27
schestowitz	Stock up afterhhours though	Dec 04 23:27
schestowitz	Novell’s 4Q loss narrows in line with Street < http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081204/earns_… >	Dec 04 23:27
schestowitz	“Look. We lost money. But not as much as last year… about 5% less”	Dec 04 23:28
schestowitz	(Novell sacked people and closed office, so..)	Dec 04 23:28
schestowitz	I’ll do a fast post before a more comprehensive analysis	Dec 04 23:29
NZheretic	Novell is too useful to Microsoft at the moment. Like SCO, Microsoft will find some way to prop it up to keep it going.	Dec 04 23:32
schestowitz	I know, I know…	Dec 04 23:36
schestowitz	That’s why we need to show when Microsoft pays them	Dec 04 23:37
schestowitz	Pays them money and pays lip service.	Dec 04 23:37
schestowitz	As in recommendation of vouchers (patent royalties) to clients.	Dec 04 23:37
schestowitz	I should really leak a story soon.	Dec 04 23:37
schestowitz	Maybe tonight.	Dec 04 23:37
NZheretic	I’m off to an office meeting, thanks Roy for all the great effort you put into this.	Dec 04 23:43
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schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/04/no…	Dec 04 23:46
MinceR	gn	Dec 04 23:48
schestowitz	I wish, MinceR. I have catching up to do tonight.	Dec 04 23:52
MinceR	i have catching up to sleep to do, but that won’t really work	Dec 04 23:52
MinceR	(less than 7 hours left :/)	Dec 04 23:52
schestowitz	I do 6 or less	Dec 04 23:53
schestowitz	It’s a matter of habit/pattern based on some experience I’ve had. Once you sleep more the body expects it.	Dec 04 23:53
schestowitz	Miracle: US FCC to mull free Internet plan at Dec. meeting < http://www.reuters.com/article/markets… >	Dec 04 23:57