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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 29th, 2008 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:36 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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PetoKraus moin Dec 29 06:58
PetoKraus oh well, liferea is WAY too slow Dec 29 07:09
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eupho http://www.publictechnology.net/modules… Dec 29 08:16
eupho Jean-Philippe Courtois becomes “ambassador” for the EYCI 2009. Dec 29 08:17
eupho with compTIA they lobbied for the “year”. Dec 29 08:17
schestowitz Hey Dec 29 08:17
schestowitz Let me see… Dec 29 08:17
eupho Commissioner Figel seems to be their buddy Dec 29 08:18
schestowitz Who’s that? Dec 29 08:19
eupho http://www.create2009.europa.eu/amb… Dec 29 08:19
schestowitz Let’s see. Dec 29 08:19
eupho I wonder who elected a monopolist Dec 29 08:19
schestowitz Stacking? Dec 29 08:20
eupho Courtois is the Microsoft EMEA chief salesman Dec 29 08:20
schestowitz So wait.. what is his role now? I’m still read it. Dec 29 08:20
schestowitz “Jean-Philippe Courtois (FR), President, Microsoft International” Dec 29 08:21
eupho I assume the EYCI is a lobby project of hugo Lueders Dec 29 08:21
eupho Creativity and Innovation == Software patenting Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz What doe it target? Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz Oh Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz Of course. Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz “Innovation” Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz Like the fake “VoicesForInnovatyion” site Dec 29 08:21
eupho It is a blabla buzz event Dec 29 08:21
eupho but funded by EU money Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz Created by Microsoft… for the ‘community’ Dec 29 08:21
eupho some political bullshit process, cmp. also the Lisbon agenda Dec 29 08:22
eupho Lisbon = “EU for innovation” Dec 29 08:22
eupho and competitiveness Dec 29 08:22
schestowitz How did you find out? Dec 29 08:23
eupho it’s on the web Dec 29 08:27
eupho your MEP could ask a nasty question Dec 29 08:27
eupho http://www.europarl.europa.eu/me… Dec 29 08:28
eupho http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesActi… Dec 29 08:29
eupho How: that Lueders is behind? Dec 29 08:29
schestowitz I’ll need to study this a bit, then post the conclusions. Dec 29 08:29
eupho simple, listen to him Dec 29 08:29
schestowitz I heard of him before. Dec 29 08:29
eupho When he is not in evil anti-standards, pro-patent mode he talks about “eskills” Dec 29 08:30
eupho and “us” and “our need” to “show leadership” and become more competivee Dec 29 08:31
eupho in the field of education Dec 29 08:31
schestowitz More competitive… Dec 29 08:31
schestowitz Sounds like ACT/ATL Dec 29 08:31
eupho ACT is a fly-in, Lueders is the European ground worker and CompTIA also has a certification branch Dec 29 08:32
eupho http://www.techworld.com/applications/… Dec 29 08:32
schestowitz I see… Dec 29 08:32
schestowitz Oh, I saw that article many times. Dec 29 08:33
eupho Politically uncorrect: Figel is a Commissioner with a “women job”, no one takes him serious Dec 29 08:34
eupho A Commissioner for every member state Dec 29 08:35
eupho Some overlap. Figel is just a figurehead. Dec 29 08:37
schestowitz I’d need to catch up with who is who here. Dec 29 08:37
schestowitz Thanks for drawing it up Dec 29 08:38
eupho Commissioner for Education, Culture, and Multilingualism Dec 29 08:38
eupho http://www.vrwb.be/MFiles/fi… Dec 29 08:39
eupho ;-) Dec 29 08:39
schestowitz Thanks! Dec 29 08:39
eupho http://www.ebsummit.eu/programme/speak… Dec 29 08:39
schestowitz It looks like the corruptible ones stand out Dec 29 08:39
eupho http://www.microsoft.com/france/… Dec 29 08:39
schestowitz It’s hard for the public to know without entering the “public arena”, which is just what they want Dec 29 08:39
schestowitz I see… Dec 29 08:40
schestowitz So how is Figel connected to it again? Dec 29 08:40
schestowitz I’ll use this log as notes later on when I write about it Dec 29 08:40
eupho http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=es-mx&amp… Dec 29 08:40
eupho Microsoft via Lueders “adopted” Jan Figel as their Commissioner. Dec 29 08:41
schestowitz Looks like quite a crony type Dec 29 08:42
eupho because no one else is interested in what he has to say Dec 29 08:42
schestowitz I see.. Dec 29 08:42
schestowitz How confident are you? Dec 29 08:42
eupho Look at any Microsoft branded as Microsoft event and look whom they invite Dec 29 08:43
schestowitz How much do you know about Charlie McCreevy and Microsoft? Dec 29 08:44
schestowitz Is there a connection you are aware of? Dec 29 08:44
schestowitz I already know the Sarko connection. Dec 29 08:44
eupho McCreevy is powerful. Dec 29 08:46
schestowitz Like a chainsaw Dec 29 08:46
eupho Courtois and Figel, when you see them on stage it looks like they are brothers. Dec 29 08:46
eupho http://www.smeday.com/2008/sm… Dec 29 08:48
schestowitz SME Day Dec 29 08:49
schestowitz *LOL* Dec 29 08:49
schestowitz The ACT thing with Microsoft ‘hosting’ IIRC Dec 29 08:49
eupho + European! Dec 29 08:49
eupho A Microsoft sales guy meeting with some young entrepreneur buzz Dec 29 08:49
schestowitz Which  entrepreneur buzz? Dec 29 08:50
eupho what can WE do to forster investment and make capital available to start ups Dec 29 08:50
schestowitz What’s funny is that “Small and Medium-sized business day” is organised by monopolists Dec 29 08:50
eupho A bit ironic when it is hosted by Microsoft which has a lot of cash for investment Dec 29 08:50
schestowitz It’s a bit like parents who set up a birthday for a 5-year-old Dec 29 08:50
eupho Yes. Dec 29 08:50
schestowitz It’s no isolated thing. Dec 29 08:51
schestowitz They steal voices that way Dec 29 08:51
schestowitz I used many examples to show this before. Dec 29 08:51
eupho And of course capital conditions, you try to use the young naive entrepreneurs and built your own sock puppets aarmy Dec 29 08:51
eupho army Dec 29 08:51
eupho Long term, low key Dec 29 08:51
schestowitz Yes, like letters from the dead. Dec 29 08:52
eupho Oh, Peter Jungen!? Dec 29 08:52
schestowitz Who’s that? Dec 29 08:52
eupho Peter Jungen is, German?!, looks like 75, and talks cold war rhetorics with an SME falvour Dec 29 08:53
eupho He is somewhat connected with the SME Union of the conservatives Dec 29 08:53
schestowitz How do you know all this? Dec 29 08:54
eupho A political capitalism ideologist and activist without a home base. Dec 29 08:54
eupho The EU is funny, you just need to watch and follow it. Dec 29 08:56
eupho JTAG Tech is a company that innovates with an eye towards user friendliness,” says eeProductCenter’s Alex Mendelsohn. “In this case, the portal towards ease of use is Microsoft Windows. This tool can help implement boundary-scan testing at the board-level or system-level as well as support board-to-board testing. Dec 29 08:56
eupho http://www.epistep.org/artemis/d… Dec 29 08:57
schestowitz JTAG…. Dec 29 08:57
schestowitz Didn’t they also get or harass with patents? Dec 29 08:58
eupho EU + Microsoft == real entertainment. Dec 29 08:58
schestowitz Same in the UK Dec 29 08:58
schestowitz BillG + B’liar = real blast Dec 29 08:58
schestowitz The lawyers talk with influence; Microsoft talks with cash Dec 29 08:59
schestowitz They are a match made in heaven. Dec 29 08:59
eupho The whole lobby theater works because no one is watching. Dec 29 08:59
eupho But it is real fun. Dec 29 08:59
schestowitz Yes, I know Dec 29 09:01
schestowitz There are wise words to be said about keeping people uninterested Dec 29 09:01
eupho Jungen was about to be fired by the Christian democrats for his late release of a Cologne financial report fo Dec 29 09:01
schestowitz Keeping them at work 9-5 and then letting them become TV zombies. Dec 29 09:01
schestowitz They don’t have time or desire to research this, which is exactly what the cronies require. Dec 29 09:01
eupho The internet is the next television. Microsoft-EU the next soap opera, looks like  SCO-IBMis over now Dec 29 09:02
schestowitz Yes, it is Dec 29 09:02
schestowitz Groklaw is taking a break Dec 29 09:02
schestowitz Patents are the next “Linux stole our code” Dec 29 09:02
schestowitz And Novell is the tool for achieving the FUD. Dec 29 09:03
schestowitz India too has its share of manipulation for patents Dec 29 09:03
schestowitz Some Microsoft lackeys seem to have gotten their hands on the spigot. They push software patents. Dec 29 09:03
eupho http://www.european-enterprise.org/ite… Dec 29 09:05
schestowitz That said, I have not seen any Indian articles about patents recently. Quiet is no indication of things getting better; it just means that the bad guys have more room for maneuver. Dec 29 09:05
eupho Pushing for software patents in foreign jurisdictions is one thing. Dec 29 09:05
eupho Penetration of the political class another Dec 29 09:05
schestowitz Whose group is this? Dec 29 09:05
schestowitz http://www.european-enterprise.org/items/… “The price of an annual Corporate Gold Membership is EUR 20,000 + “ Dec 29 09:06
schestowitz Lobby for sale. Dec 29 09:06
schestowitz Buy you law now… at a discount. Dec 29 09:06
schestowitz EEI Dec 29 09:07
schestowitz Like IEE in reverse Dec 29 09:07
eupho Peter Jungen in the board… Dec 29 09:07
eupho these guys are not powerful, more like Vampires. No light-resistance. Dec 29 09:08
eupho E.g. Jungen also fights for tax reform. Dec 29 09:09
eupho and calls the progressive income tax ‘marxist’. Dec 29 09:09
schestowitz What is he pushing for? Dec 29 09:12
schestowitz McCreecy did it as well. Dec 29 09:12
schestowitz It benefits Microsoft. Dec 29 09:12
schestowitz I wrote about it in http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/… Dec 29 09:13
eupho http://www.euractiv.com/en/innovation/europe-des… Dec 29 09:14
*schestowitz looks Dec 29 09:18
schestowitz I hate this site Dec 29 09:18
schestowitz Very pro-patents Dec 29 09:18
schestowitz “EU Education Commissioner Ján Figel’  “ Dec 29 09:19
schestowitz The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Dec 29 09:19
schestowitz “Europe desperately lacking ‘positive entrepreneurship culture’ “ Dec 29 09:19
schestowitz Translation: Europe is broken; save Europe; Listen to *THAT* guy Dec 29 09:20
schestowitz “However, this approach was challenged by the chair of the Finnish software entrepreneurs’ association (Ohjelmistoyrittäjät)  and  CEO of Digium, Matti Heikkonen. He said entrepreneurship is not an educational issue. “ Dec 29 09:20
schestowitz Do you know zoobab BTW? Dec 29 09:20
schestowitz Someone has found a source of information about MSFT: http://www.transnationale.org/companies/m… Unfortunately there is not so much info about Novell: http://www.transnationale.org/compani… “What is striking is that they have reduced its employees a 27% since 1998,” it tell me. Dec 29 09:37
schestowitz “Although for the full reports one must be a subscriber, it summarizes interesting things in a single page, quite conveniently: unethical behaviours, tax heavens, financial figures…” Dec 29 09:37
zoobab pong Dec 29 10:12
schestowitz Hey, what’s up? Dec 29 10:18
schestowitz I’ll post the script above Dec 29 10:19
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Omar87 hi all. Dec 29 10:32
schestowitz Hey, what’s up? Dec 29 10:32
Omar87 Nuthin’ :) Dec 29 10:33
Omar87 You? Dec 29 10:33
Omar87 I was reading about Bioinformatics a while ago. Dec 29 10:33
Omar87 It seems pretty interesting! Dec 29 10:34
schestowitz I know some people in the field. The world has bigger issues, IMHO Dec 29 10:34
Omar87 Of course, it does. Dec 29 10:35
schestowitz BTW, in case you missed it, Microsoft is being totally exposed now: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/micros… Dec 29 10:35
schestowitz “We also obtained a copy of a private E-mail claiming to be from James Plamondon, but we can’t divulge it. Our source says: “Perhaps he’s on a fishing expedition to find out exactly what else is out there that might show him in a bad light. And wants me to do it for him. Remember all these Comes docs were supposed to stay buried.” Dec 29 10:36
eupho Look, this is info war, without blood and wet trenches but with much more fun. Dec 29 10:36
schestowitz What puzzles me is why he sent it to a COLA poster. He made the mistake of taking the trolls on, using their own methods. What’s suspected is he was trying to find a link between people and I provided it, by posting references to that email. What was done is that a person posted the original on Usenet so that I can link to it. The man is genuine based on the location, but maybe a trap. Dec 29 10:38
schestowitz eupho: I posted your words Dec 29 10:39
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/jung… Dec 29 10:39
schestowitz I didn’t have time to organise it. Dec 29 10:39
schestowitz But the site is less formal than most news sites (just more truthful), so there it goes… Dec 29 10:39
schestowitz “That Plamondon doc, could be a manual for how any business could get to the top – by any means necessary” Dec 29 10:40
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/mic… Dec 29 10:40
schestowitz He does live in Austin. I saw his IP (BN  comment), so unless it’s a faker, which I think is unlikely, then we have something in our hands. Dec 29 10:41
schestowitz Other people sort of corroborated Dec 29 10:41
Omar87 schestowitz: How do you find out someone’s location out of his IP address..? Dec 29 10:45
schestowitz You can’t Dec 29 10:45
schestowitz But if they post something on your site, you can Dec 29 10:45
Omar87 schestowitz: Mhmm. Dec 29 10:45
schestowitz Other nasty people use their friends who work for an ISP Dec 29 10:45
schestowitz The IP gave me confidence that the messages were authentic, not a fabrication Dec 29 10:46
schestowitz The annoying thing, people in USENET are the moment faking messages from me. Dec 29 10:46
schestowitz The USENET server I typically use if offline and the person who can reboot/fix it overseas, so I can’t post to USENET properly. Dec 29 10:47
Omar87 What a dirty tactic. Dec 29 10:48
schestowitz zoobab: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/12/… Dec 29 10:49
schestowitz Dec 29 10:50
schestowitz OOXML scores controversial victoryMicrosoft declared victory in its fight to get fast-track?approval for Open Office XML as a global file format standard on April 1. Some critics said it was ironic that the software giant crowed about its success on April Fools’ Day, given that a vocal group of International Organization for Standardization members had complained about irregularities in the voting process” Dec 29 10:50
schestowitz Way to underplay crime… http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-top-10-stories-… Dec 29 10:50
schestowitz In the mail this morning: “I support what Roy is doing with Boycott Novell, in that he is keeping Novell’s fee to the fire so that they understand that the community doesn’t appreciate things such as supporting OOXML and several other big mistakes that Novell has made.” Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz “See, it seems that we (the FOSS) community have several of mutually antagonistic (but not mutually exclusive) goals to achieve: 1) spread Free Software 2) as quickly as possible 3) as widely as possible 4) while maintaining diversity 5) and while preventing Microsoft and others from confusing the movement as a whole.” Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz “My concern is that our greatest asset is our ability to collaborate.  If we shout too loudly too long at one another, we lose our ability to collaborate.  On the other hand, if we don’t insist on transparency and Free Software, then we are not a Free Software movement. “ Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz “In short, we are not going to always get all that we want _in the short term_.  We are all going to have to make compromises.  I’m sure that each of us here uses some distro other than ututo-e or gNewSense or some other similarly pure distro.  I’m sure that all of us here use non-Free codecs such as the Flash plug-in.  And more important, newbies are going to want non-Free software until they understand how dumb it is to use non-F Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz ree codecs and non-Free software.” Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz “IMHO, we should use our efforts more to focus on expanding Free Software and Free codecs and less to criticize people who don’t.  It would be better to take them to task in private.” Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz “[...] I know that this is not as easy as it seems, because we do need transparency, as well.  Having discussions in the open is positive, even if those discussions are antagonistic.” Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz “Many social movements have failed because of ideological splits.  One of our greatest challenges in the Free Software movement is maintaining our focus on Free Software while reconciling with those who don’t agree with us.” Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz “IMHO, we have more in common with Meeks and Novell than Microsoft. “ Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz Divide and conquer. Microsoft is a bunch of unethical thugs. Dec 29 10:52
schestowitz Do nothing, be screwed. Say something, be accused of dividing. Dec 29 10:52
schestowitz It’s also in the Slog Doc from Microsoft. They do this deliberately, in order to harm from the inside. Dec 29 10:53
schestowitz …Does n’t matter how one responds, the damage is done. They use money to divide people — they exploit the loophole of greed. Dec 29 10:53
schestowitz So when is the next shipment of money from MS to Novell? Last one was around August. $100,000,000 Dec 29 10:54
schestowitz Actually, politics are the same Dec 29 10:54
schestowitz Consider how the US gives arms for countries to ruin one another Dec 29 10:54
schestowitz Like America gave weapons to Iraq, IIRC, so that it will kill and devastate Iran Dec 29 10:54
schestowitz Spread the poison, let the ‘enemies’ fight each other rather than the real felon. Dec 29 10:55
schestowitz New and odd (one among 6): http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmrG5iawBM (Drac Novell 2008 5è premi Ràdio Serveis) Dec 29 10:57
schestowitz Culture secretary Andy Burnham wants cinema-style age ratings for websites < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/dec/2… > Dec 29 10:59
schestowitz RMS:  “The Clown regime wants world-wide Internet censorship. It also wants to increase the danger of the UK’s dangerous libel laws, which already chill free speech by making it so easy to win a judgment against criticism.” Dec 29 11:00
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-d… “Not to forget: how Bush paid Republicans to go to Florida and sabotage the attempt to properly count the votes.” Dec 29 11:00
schestowitz Police accused of torturing jailed activists < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/27/j… > Dec 29 11:01
schestowitz http://www.prwatch.org/node/8095 (Weekly Radio Spin: Dogged Marketing During the Meltdown). The era of media spin is almost ending, so they fight back by censoring the Web and attacking people who speak out. Dec 29 11:06
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-de… “How Facebook isolates people by substituting the tag of “friend” for real friendship — while collecting personal data for CIA and marketing use.” Dec 29 11:13
schestowitz “One thing that is evident is the continuing emergence of the mobile platform as a real alternative to the traditional PC.” http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008… Dec 29 11:15
schestowitz http://www.newsweek.com/id/176809 “Since the birth of the Republic, the U.S. government has been in the business of handing out “exclusive rights” (a.k.a., monopolies) in order to “promote progress” or enable new markets of communication. Patents and copyrights accomplish the first goal; giving away slices of the airwaves serves the second. “ Dec 29 11:21
schestowitz “No one doubts that these monopolies are sometimes necessary to stimulate innovation. Hollywood could not survive without a copyright system; privately funded drug development won’t happen without patents.” Dec 29 11:21
schestowitz “But if history has taught us anything, it is that special interests—the Disneys and Pfizers of the world—have become very good at clambering for more and more monopoly rights.” Dec 29 11:21
schestowitz “Copyrights last almost a century now, and patents regulate “anything under the sun that is made by man,” as the Supreme Court has put it. This is the story of endless bloat, with each round of new monopolies met with a gluttonous demand for more.” –Larry Lessig Dec 29 11:21
Omar87 schestowitz: I’m looking for some professional advice. Dec 29 11:21
Omar87 schestowitz: I’m a student in Computer Information Systems, and I’m looking for a good field to specialize in after graduation. Dec 29 11:22
Omar87 schestowitz: I read about Bioinformatics, Cheminformatics, Geoinformatics.. etc. Dec 29 11:23
schestowitz I think the industry is frozen for a while Dec 29 11:25
schestowitz Quite a few years Dec 29 11:25
schestowitz Entering a phase of “socialism” at the moment. It comes in waves and a mate of mine with 3 Masters confirmed this last week. Dec 29 11:25
schestowitz I think it’s universal, not just a US thing. Dec 29 11:25
Omar87 Because of the financial crisis? Dec 29 11:26
schestowitz Yes. Dec 29 11:26
schestowitz I call it the Depression Dec 29 11:26
schestowitz Because it seems likely to be similar. Dec 29 11:26
Omar87 So, where do you suggest I go? Dec 29 11:27
schestowitz I’m not sure. Dec 29 11:27
schestowitz My brother studies computer science too. Dec 29 11:27
Omar87 So, at this level, can we say that the world’s economy has reached its leap? Dec 29 11:31
schestowitz A lot of people are in denial Dec 29 11:31
schestowitz I speak to people at the gym for example Dec 29 11:32
schestowitz I want to see what they absorb from the biased media that tries to keep them calm Dec 29 11:32
schestowitz To deny that 10.2 trillion in debt (the US) is acceptable is to deny that China has powers to become the next US Dec 29 11:32
schestowitz The problem I have is, the US has nukes. Dec 29 11:33
schestowitz It’s also run by greedy fanatics Dec 29 11:33
schestowitz There are lots of good people there, but they are routinely silenced. Dec 29 11:33
Omar87 So does the US having nukes seem like a problem to you? Dec 29 11:35
schestowitz On the bright selfish side (for me), there won’t be many product announcements in the coming year. When loans are not given and the US industry is at a standstill, there is numbing of other economies too. So I think we’ll be seeing more and more dysphoric headlines in 2009 (compared to 2008) Dec 29 11:36
schestowitz Omar87: they justify other nations having them too Dec 29 11:36
schestowitz They must disarm and bury them. China has nuclear submarines too. Dec 29 11:36
schestowitz I don’t trust the Obama cabinet either. They have people like Biden and Rahm Emanuel at the centre. They are pro-war. Dec 29 11:38
Omar87 So, as I understood it, you believe that the US must disarm and get rid of their own nuclear weapon system before preventing other nations from having them? Dec 29 11:38
schestowitz Of course. Dec 29 11:38
schestowitz Look how it worked with the Soviets (USSR) Dec 29 11:38
schestowitz Same with patents Dec 29 11:38
schestowitz Bury yours, others will do. Dec 29 11:39
Omar87 That’s true. Dec 29 11:39
schestowitz It’s grred Dec 29 11:39
schestowitz Patents are promoted by suits without the ability to write a “hello world program” Dec 29 11:39
eupho USSR? One down, one to go… Dec 29 11:40
schestowitz There’s greed for power and control too, thus the creation of weapons of mass destruction Dec 29 11:40
schestowitz The country with the most “Weapons of Mass Destruction” is the United States of America Dec 29 11:40
Omar87 If the US buries their nuclear systems, people like Iran won’t find any other reason to develop theirs. Dec 29 11:40
schestowitz Yes Dec 29 11:40
schestowitz Else, it’s hypocritical. Dec 29 11:40
schestowitz “Daddy, why can’t I drink beer if you do?” Dec 29 11:41
Omar87 “because you are still a kid, and kids don’t drink beer, son!” Dec 29 11:42
schestowitz Hehe. Dec 29 11:42
schestowitz Like yourself, I studied computer science. Dec 29 11:42
schestowitz Software Engineering to be precise Dec 29 11:42
schestowitz At the time, people’s concern was to do well with employment Dec 29 11:43
schestowitz But priorities have changed (and will change) Dec 29 11:43
schestowitz The 2000/99 bubble was locvalised Dec 29 11:43
Omar87 You get employed quickly and in a good firm? Dec 29 11:43
schestowitz It mostly affected technology Dec 29 11:43
schestowitz That too has passed Dec 29 11:43
Omar87 You *mean*.. Dec 29 11:43
eupho This is where computing comes in: Europe has to aim for information and oil authrarky Dec 29 11:43
eupho autark Dec 29 11:43
schestowitz But this one lower demand for technology because it’s broader Dec 29 11:44
schestowitz Omar87: I had offers, but I didn’t go into employment that’s full time Dec 29 11:44
schestowitz I quit my last job in March 2006 Dec 29 11:44
eupho Free software means no one can control it Dec 29 11:44
schestowitz I used to have 2 simultaneous jobs beforehand Dec 29 11:44
schestowitz My time was better spent doing other stuff. Dec 29 11:45
Omar87 So how do you suggest I plan for my future? Dec 29 11:45
schestowitz But I never dropped out of anything. Dec 29 11:45
schestowitz eupho: what do you mean by the oil remark? Dec 29 11:45
schestowitz eupho: Free software suits people’s needs at this time Dec 29 11:45
schestowitz Omar87: I don’t know exactly. Dec 29 11:46
schestowitz Same about my brother Dec 29 11:46
eupho Energy dependencies, the Arabs, the Bush, the Russians Dec 29 11:46
schestowitz He’s about your age. Dec 29 11:46
eupho Same for software dependencies Dec 29 11:46
Omar87 schestowitz: Do you think I should not worry so much about employment? Dec 29 11:46
schestowitz Oil and software alike? Dec 29 11:46
eupho Omar, you should not follow the herd Dec 29 11:47
schestowitz Omar87: people are treated in some places as though it’s an emergency scenario Dec 29 11:47
eupho It is difficult to make us energy independent. Dec 29 11:47
schestowitz Look at the US bailout Dec 29 11:47
schestowitz It’s looting Dec 29 11:47
eupho Software is no big deal Dec 29 11:47
schestowitz But they can’t evacuate people out of their home, as that would exacerbate. Dec 29 11:47
eupho I mean, imagine one billion for a free software fund Dec 29 11:48
eupho One billion is nothing Dec 29 11:48
schestowitz So those who can’t pay back their loans will be recruited or something Dec 29 11:48
Omar87 eupho: This is what I’m trying my best *NOT* to do. Dec 29 11:48
schestowitz What I fear is that without a house or money they’ll be tempted into military service. Dec 29 11:48
schestowitz eupho: don’t they have the pipes coming from Iran? Dec 29 11:48
schestowitz I don’t see how EU is affected by the US re: oil Dec 29 11:49
schestowitz Besides, they might increasingly trade in Euro Dec 29 11:49
eupho What does public administration spent on MS Office vs. what does it cost to fund OpenOffice Dec 29 11:49
schestowitz Software is mini money Dec 29 11:49
eupho and stimulate competition Dec 29 11:49
schestowitz Compare that to oil or housing. Dec 29 11:49
schestowitz Trillions you’re looking at… Dec 29 11:49
Omar87 eupho: One thing about me is that I hate complete and blind obedience, which results in lots of problems. Dec 29 11:49
schestowitz Free Software, to me at least, is an enabler Dec 29 11:50
schestowitz It also educated people. Dec 29 11:50
eupho Here I agree with Richard Stallman Dec 29 11:50
schestowitz Stallman was doing activism before he even did the computer hacking. Dec 29 11:50
eupho http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pos… Dec 29 11:50
schestowitz A laptop fell into his lap to enable his to do other things. Dec 29 11:50
schestowitz metaphorically speaking (laptop) Dec 29 11:50
*schestowitz reads the Wiki Dec 29 11:51
eupho Post-scarcity is a useful concept. Dec 29 11:51
schestowitz Interesting article. Bookmarked for later. Dec 29 11:52
schestowitz When was scarcity lost and why. *That’s* the question. Dec 29 11:52
eupho I mean, ensure that we all have houses, get us energy independent Dec 29 11:53
eupho Problem solved Dec 29 11:53
schestowitz “I hereby announce oxygen not Free” Dec 29 11:53
schestowitz “Those who can’t afford it will be impoverished” Dec 29 11:53
eupho Politicians think email is strange because its “for free” Dec 29 11:53
schestowitz Hehe. Dec 29 11:53
eupho ok you pay the ISP. Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz Got refs for that? Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz Like a quote? Dec 29 11:54
eupho But what about wireless mesh networks Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz I know.. Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz It’s not centralized enough. Dec 29 11:54
eupho You don’t really need ISPs Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz How do you disconnect someone? Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz What about spying? Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz Than agin… Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz Think about it. They can’t conduct surveillance where face-to-face engagements are involved Dec 29 11:54
eupho So from a post scarcity point of view we about to enter paradise. Dec 29 11:55
eupho But politicans find the fruits hang to low Dec 29 11:55
schestowitz So to stop TERROR~1 they would need to make /EVERY/ interaction centralised Dec 29 11:55
schestowitz Which renders it moot Dec 29 11:55
eupho information is different from physical goods Dec 29 11:55
schestowitz Politicians = those paid by monopolists Dec 29 11:55
schestowitz IOW, politicians are typically spokespeople for those poised to lose the most. Dec 29 11:56
eupho just think of the music industry. I mean, what is bad about sharing music to fill the needs of the people Dec 29 11:56
schestowitz eupho: value is judged by perception Dec 29 11:56
schestowitz Whatever one is willing to pay Dec 29 11:56
eupho Ah, the artists are starving Dec 29 11:56
eupho and the poor collective societies Dec 29 11:56
schestowitz So information too can have a price tag Dec 29 11:56
schestowitz WIPO, WHO, etc. ensure that. Dec 29 11:56
eupho and the government gets taxes when we buy CDs Dec 29 11:56
schestowitz Cures to illnesses  are for sale too Dec 29 11:57
schestowitz http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/12/we… Dec 29 11:57
schestowitz To borrow the RMS-type sayings, “these people should be prosecuted to prison” Dec 29 11:57
schestowitz Crimes against humanity Dec 29 11:57
schestowitz eupho: that’s why I try not to use and buy CDs Dec 29 11:57
schestowitz I use the network to pass information around Dec 29 11:58
eupho Just as a thought model. Why not try a “copyright piracy” scenario? Dec 29 11:58
schestowitz There’s more to it Dec 29 11:58
eupho And pay Cliff Richard an annual compensation. Dec 29 11:58
schestowitz Copyright permits justification for tracking Dec 29 11:58
schestowitz With tracking comes censorship Dec 29 11:58
eupho okokok Dec 29 11:58
schestowitz Look how USENET comes under attack by Coumo and other white-collar thugs. Dec 29 11:59
trmanco :| Dec 29 11:59
schestowitz trmanco: true. Dec 29 11:59
schestowitz USENET servers are getting more scarce. Dec 29 11:59
schestowitz They try to starve it because it’s not centralised Dec 29 11:59
schestowitz It’s like meshes Dec 29 11:59
schestowitz It’s people communicating freely and there is no ability to intercept information via messengers Dec 29 12:00
trmanco didn’t some companies accuse Usenet of being the door to pedophilia ? Dec 29 12:00
schestowitz These issues are /far/ more considerable than those that involve software and hardware Dec 29 12:00
trmanco for* Dec 29 12:00
schestowitz h/w and s/w are infrastructures mostly for communication Dec 29 12:01
schestowitz Data storage too, after all, is means of communication (or making comms /available/) Dec 29 12:01
schestowitz trmanco: they accuse USENET or many things. They don’t try to separate good from bad. They also ruined Wikipedia and block some access because of pedophelia Dec 29 12:02
trmanco Dec 29 12:02
schestowitz As in, they pretty much labeled the whole thing “pedophelia” because of some CD cover with a girl. Dec 29 12:02
schestowitz Be sure they hate Wikipedia too Dec 29 12:02
schestowitz It lacks control. It’s like anarchism to them. Dec 29 12:03
trmanco what Dec 29 12:09
trmanco again Dec 29 12:09
trmanco they faked you again Dec 29 12:09
trmanco they can’t even get to Quote right Dec 29 12:09
trmanco or he* Dec 29 12:09
schestowitz Where? Dec 29 12:10
trmanco is that you? Dec 29 12:10
trmanco COLA Dec 29 12:10
trmanco no pgp sig Dec 29 12:11
schestowitz Where? Dec 29 12:11
schestowitz I post from GG for a while Dec 29 12:11
trmanco oh ok, I’ll shut up then Dec 29 12:12
schestowitz Nothing I can do about it. Dec 29 12:13
trmanco what is the problem? Dec 29 12:13
schestowitz Haha. It’s back! http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Sci… Dec 29 12:15
trmanco forget it, I found the post where you say the problem Dec 29 12:15
schestowitz trmanco: just downtime Dec 29 12:15
trmanco ok Dec 29 12:15
schestowitz The admin is abroad for xmas Dec 29 12:15
trmanco sorry for the hype, I just thought you got faked again Dec 29 12:15
schestowitz “A computer-generated paper has been accepted for the 2008 International Conference on Computer Science and Software Engineering (CSSE). This important conference has also invited the “author” to chair a session on the subject Towards the Simulation of E-commerce.” Dec 29 12:17
schestowitz The notion of confs is aged Dec 29 12:17
schestowitz People have email, skype etc. Dec 29 12:17
schestowitz Trade shows too assume that information can hardly be passed around. Dec 29 12:18
schestowitz “Having received a TomTom ONE 125 from my wife, for Christmas, I was disappointed to find that your company was so far behind the times as to expect that a connected computer would ONLY be running a Microsoft operating system. “ Dec 29 12:25
schestowitz Amazing. They use Linux to make the product, but don’t support desktop Linux, Same with Motorola. Dec 29 12:26
schestowitz “Such behavior, in this day and age, is tantamount to a slap in the face to all the intelligent people in America and in the world who have decided to choose an alternative that does not require massively expensive equipment to run and exorbitant continued fees to maintain.” Dec 29 12:26
schestowitz “Due to software issues, our TomTom HOME program is not compatible with Linux and we do not have any software available for it at this time. We currently only have software available for Windows 2000, XP, Vista (latest service packs recommended), and Mac OS X 10.3.9 or higher. We apologize for any frustration this may cause.” Dec 29 12:27
schestowitz So they even support Macs, but supporting the very same platform that they exploit is out of the question. Dec 29 12:27
schestowitz “I very much want others to see just how customers are treated when it comes to the choice of operating system for their home computers.  To be compelled, without prior warning, to have to use an insecure, buggy, and extremely expensive operating system is absurd. That’s right – NO warning. “ Dec 29 12:27
schestowitz “Nothing on the box notes any requirement for a Windows operating system in order for the device to fully function in the manner suggested in their literature.   Ignorance MIGHT be an excuse, except that others have also drawn to the attention of TomTom the fact that Linux exists.  “ Dec 29 12:28
schestowitz “Therefore, such behavior is unconscionable in the extreme – a blatant ignoring of a significant population of computer users and potential customers.  And worse, this shows that they are ignoring the fact that they are operating the TomTom ONE using Linux…” Dec 29 12:28
schestowitz Amazing. Dec 29 12:29
schestowitz “TomTom uses Linux.  But TomTom doesn’t want to acknowledge that, and therefore ignores potential customers.  Or, perhaps it’s more than ignoring potential customers.  For example, there is the publically demonstrated behavior of Microsoft. “ Dec 29 12:29
schestowitz Computerworld (IDG) sells out to Microsoft some more. See the Flash at the top left: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/271830/smal… Dec 29 12:34
trmanco TomTom Dec 29 12:34
schestowitz TomBoy Dec 29 12:34
trmanco doesn’t that use some GPL’ed code? Dec 29 12:35
schestowitz I don’t think it violate GPL Dec 29 12:35
trmanco I’m still catching up Dec 29 12:35
schestowitz *violates Dec 29 12:35
trmanco hmm Dec 29 12:35
schestowitz They do what some other Linux moochers do Dec 29 12:35
schestowitz It remains to be seen if Palm Nova is another Windows/Mac-only junk like Palm OS Dec 29 12:35
trmanco Symbian kinda sucks too Dec 29 12:36
trmanco it is like Windows Dec 29 12:36
trmanco you get a crapload of viruses Dec 29 12:36
schestowitz ComputerWorld is IDG, which gets paid by Microsoft through IDC. The level of favouritism is always astounding. Dec 29 12:37
trmanco if you don’t have good protection Dec 29 12:37
schestowitz Sybmian is badly made. Dec 29 12:37
schestowitz Even its owner, Nokia, seems to steer away from it. Dec 29 12:37
schestowitz I can’t imagine it has the notion of user privileges Dec 29 12:37
schestowitz Psion.. Dec 29 12:38
schestowitz Where are they now? Threatening to sue sites which say “netbook” Dec 29 12:38
schestowitz I actually tried to find that trademark some months ago Dec 29 12:38
trmanco I have no idea Dec 29 12:38
schestowitz Someone in IRC warned that it was a trademark Dec 29 12:38
schestowitz I couldn’t use that lousy USPTO site. Dec 29 12:38
trmanco I was me Ithink Dec 29 12:39
trmanco you even said that you use sub netbook instead of netbook Dec 29 12:39
schestowitz *LOL* http://www.internetling.com/2008/12/28/deb… Dec 29 12:40
schestowitz trmanco: no, it was someone from Russia Dec 29 12:40
schestowitz Wikipedian. Dec 29 12:40
trmanco oh ok Dec 29 12:40
schestowitz I could use a lookup Dec 29 12:41
schestowitz I thought Intel owned “netbook” Dec 29 12:41
schestowitz I’m not sure about ULPC and MID Dec 29 12:41
schestowitz I just write sub-notebook Dec 29 12:41
schestowitz http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/12/28… Dec 29 12:41
schestowitz http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leo… “Apple’s said it’s taking a break from adding flashy features to OS X to focus on the foundations and stability of the system with Snow Leopard, and this latest leaked screenshot might indicate that those foundations are moving to 64 bits” Dec 29 12:42
schestowitz OSX has some trouble ATM Dec 29 12:42
schestowitz Macs crashing after updates… the Macs fans seem shy to talk about it. Apple will surely try to control perception using damage control, just like Microsoft always does Dec 29 12:43
schestowitz Watch how Microsoft corrupted British media: http://philbull.livejournal.com/49517.html Dec 29 12:44
trmanco excuse me Dec 29 12:45
trmanco WMP, no way Dec 29 12:46
schestowitz They promote Microsoft Dec 29 12:46
trmanco *LOL* Dec 29 12:46
schestowitz The UK is a lost cause Dec 29 12:46
trmanco “* Silverlight support should be available via the Mono Moonlight project, but the video wouldn’t play after I installed the plugin.” Dec 29 12:46
schestowitz Like the US Dec 29 12:46
schestowitz Moonlight is part of the scam Dec 29 12:47
schestowitz Make Linux ‘not work’ while telling Web developers that Silver Lie is a Good Thing(C) because it ‘supports’ Linux. Dec 29 12:47
schestowitz The least we can do is expose Microsoft’s behaviour for what it is. Dec 29 12:47
schestowitz About slogging to control standards and ruin competitors. Dec 29 12:48
schestowitz Rememeber the Gates E-mails. Dec 29 12:48
schestowitz Some of his people wanted to make thing interoperable. Dec 29 12:48
schestowitz HE OBJECTED Dec 29 12:48
schestowitz It’s people like his who are the thugs who go against common sense and fairness to screw competition. Dec 29 12:48
schestowitz I put the E-mails here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12… Dec 29 12:49
schestowitz Gates: “In one piece of mail people were suggesting that Office had to work equally well with all browsers and that we shouldn’t force Office users to use our browser. This Is wrong and I wanted to correct this.” Dec 29 12:49
schestowitz Gates: “Another suggestion In this mail was that we can’t make our own unilateral extensions to HTML I was going to say this was wrong and correct this also.” Dec 29 12:49
schestowitz Translation: “we must ruin the Web so that it only works with Windows” Dec 29 12:50
schestowitz And some people still call Gates their ‘idol’ Dec 29 12:50
schestowitz Surely they are brainwashed by his media channels that he owns or invests in. Dec 29 12:50
*eupho has quit (“http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client”) Dec 29 12:54
schestowitz This deserves more emphasis: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/7/20081225/ttc-re… Dec 29 12:54
MinceR geekings Dec 29 12:59
schestowitz Greeks?!!? Where? Dec 29 12:59
trmanco the official press release -> http://www.redhat.com/about/news/pr… Dec 29 13:00
schestowitz They can exaggerate there, by selection Dec 29 13:01
schestowitz Very few people actually dig down these things. Dec 29 13:01
schestowitz Journalists are lazy and complacent… until they get laid off, which they do now. Dec 29 13:02
schestowitz They are fed by PR agencies like W-E, have ghostwritten junk and they always, always conform, or else some big company will get them fired Dec 29 13:02
schestowitz Show me ONE journalist, other than Los Angeles Times, saying that Gates Foundation is used to funnel ‘moneys; Dec 29 13:03
schestowitz Either the editor will strike that out or company attack the publication and try to get the reporter in trouble. Dec 29 13:03
schestowitz That’s the issue with bought ‘consensus’, which is wrong. Like “world is flat…” Dec 29 13:04
schestowitz So here’s the plan: Dec 29 13:04
schestowitz 1. Expose the brokenness of the journalistic structure Dec 29 13:04
schestowitz 2. Show that analysts are inherently corruptible. Their opinions are frequently bought Dec 29 13:04
schestowitz 3. Then, say the truth and provide evidence to support it. Dec 29 13:04
schestowitz The same strategy is used to highlight bias in the media where politics is concerned (often people’s lives are at stake) Dec 29 13:05
schestowitz Example: Tibet Dec 29 13:05
schestowitz From ‘our’ media we will hear about the horrible Chinese. Dec 29 13:05
schestowitz Not about people and protesters from Tiber killing CHinese people Dec 29 13:06
schestowitz Because remember… China is VERY EVIL… because it can buy all those American companies and become the big superpower Dec 29 13:06
schestowitz Conversely, well… Dec 29 13:06
schestowitz There’s also the olypic games and the torth Dec 29 13:07
schestowitz Like a couple of stunts in a crowd of million is actually newsworthy. They show only what they want to show to support a distorted POV. Dec 29 13:07
PetoKraus my friend is in turkey with his family right now Dec 29 13:08
PetoKraus youtube censored. Geocities censored Dec 29 13:08
schestowitz Yes, I heard Dec 29 13:08
PetoKraus http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?i… Dec 29 13:08
schestowitz I thought they had lifted the ban. Dec 29 13:08
PetoKraus i mean, why of all the pages in the world, would you ban geocities?!? Dec 29 13:09
schestowitz I don’t know. Dec 29 13:09
schestowitz I have some old pages in Geocities Dec 29 13:09
schestowitz Some site I built when I was 15… Dec 29 13:09
PetoKraus me as well Dec 29 13:09
PetoKraus yeah, same here… at about 13 for me though Dec 29 13:09
PetoKraus www.peterkraus.0nyx.com was my one when I was 15yo Dec 29 13:09
schestowitz http://img126.imageshack.us/img1… Heh. Dec 29 13:09
schestowitz Onyx Dec 29 13:10
PetoKraus i used to use iframes quite a lot back then :) Dec 29 13:10
schestowitz Good job Dec 29 13:10
schestowitz I used framesets Dec 29 13:10
PetoKraus nah, it was lame Dec 29 13:10
PetoKraus static… Dec 29 13:10
schestowitz Posledná zmena: 22.08.2005 Dec 29 13:10
PetoKraus last change ;) Dec 29 13:10
schestowitz Yes, I know. Dec 29 13:11
schestowitz I haven’t touched mine in like 10 years Dec 29 13:11
PetoKraus those caricatures are from my friend :) Dec 29 13:11
schestowitz From Turkey? j/k Dec 29 13:11
schestowitz What other sites do they block? Dec 29 13:11
schestowitz I’m sure they find excuses for it. Dec 29 13:11
PetoKraus dunno Dec 29 13:11
schestowitz Like… disrespecting some politicians Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz We should ban restaurants too Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz There might be pedophiles dining there. Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz We should also ban subways Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz There are sometimes terrorists there Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz Then… I know! Let’s ban air Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz It can contain lethal gas Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz And then we’ll live in a happy world Dec 29 13:13
schestowitz No YouTube, no air… Dec 29 13:13
PetoKraus yeah Dec 29 13:13
schestowitz Emphasis: “may” :-D Dec 29 13:13
PetoKraus it’s important people realise restrictions are not good Dec 29 13:13
schestowitz This *may* be harmful, if used improperly Dec 29 13:13
schestowitz Let’s chop carrots with our teeth Dec 29 13:14
schestowitz Selling kitchen knives can lead to marder. Dec 29 13:14
schestowitz *murder Dec 29 13:14
schestowitz Let’s ban cars Dec 29 13:14
PetoKraus hehe, my mother’s long time friend bought a bed for her and her husband Dec 29 13:14
schestowitz They can be used to commit suicide/homicide (accident of exhaust pipe) Dec 29 13:14
PetoKraus it’s nice, mahogany Dec 29 13:14
schestowitz Mahogany? Dec 29 13:15
PetoKraus and it has this pneumatic lifting mechanism to access storage Dec 29 13:15
schestowitz Ha. Dec 29 13:15
PetoKraus yeah, the wood Dec 29 13:15
schestowitz My parents have something similar, I think. Dec 29 13:15
schestowitz Just not the wood thing Dec 29 13:15
PetoKraus anyway, she lifted it up an my mother said Dec 29 13:15
schestowitz People value wood like they value other stupid things. Dec 29 13:15
schestowitz Like gold watches. Dec 29 13:15
PetoKraus “well, your husband now doesn’t even have to make effort to get you” Dec 29 13:15
PetoKraus because yeah, the mechanism lifts the bed to just Dec 29 13:16
PetoKraus perfect position to have sex on Dec 29 13:16
schestowitz “I hereby announce you my wife… ” “What is this, silver??” Wah Wah!! You don’t love me” Dec 29 13:16
PetoKraus AND IT’s FORBIDDEN!!! IN TFM!!!! Dec 29 13:16
schestowitz TFM?!? Dec 29 13:16
schestowitz Hehe. Dec 29 13:16
PetoKraus yeah, she said she thought about that herself when she was reading the manual for the bed Dec 29 13:17
schestowitz Okay, okay.. Dec 29 13:17
PetoKraus it was mentioned as “no jumping, sitting, or dynamic movements when the compartment is lifted” Dec 29 13:17
PetoKraus :) Dec 29 13:17
schestowitz What if kids read this, PetoKraus ? Dec 29 13:17
PetoKraus schestowitz: time to grow up Dec 29 13:17
PetoKraus i’m not virgin killer © Dec 29 13:18
PetoKraus ;) Dec 29 13:18
schestowitz IWF is. Dec 29 13:18
schestowitz What is IWF? Dec 29 13:18
schestowitz Internet Watch something? Dec 29 13:18
PetoKraus VirginKiller! :) Dec 29 13:18
schestowitz Libel in Wikipedia? Not a problem. Dec 29 13:18
PetoKraus f*nny Dec 29 13:18
PetoKraus and since they are in britain, proper, british one! Dec 29 13:19
schestowitz CD covers? Well, then they need to block articles about Parliament, global warning and other ‘pedophile’ content. Dec 29 13:19
schestowitz Proper *LOL* funny word here. Dec 29 13:19
PetoKraus i missed QoTSA … Dec 29 13:20
schestowitz “The ext4 filesystem, the successor to the ext3 filesystem, has been marked stable enough for people to start using and relying on,” Novell Linux kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman told InternetNews.com. Dec 29 13:20
PetoKraus oh well Dec 29 13:20
schestowitz So Sean Michael Kerner has contacts with Novell… Dec 29 13:20
schestowitz What’s  QoTSA? Dec 29 13:20
*PetoKraus np: Queens of The Stone Age – You Can’t Quit Me Baby (Over the Years and Trough the Woods) Dec 29 13:20
PetoKraus my favourite band. Dec 29 13:21
PetoKraus i’m reading this Wintel i7 …. advertisement Dec 29 13:21
PetoKraus it’s really laughable Dec 29 13:21
*schestowitz np: Daddy’s Car – The Cardigans Dec 29 13:22
schestowitz Weird one. It’s on shuffle. Dec 29 13:22
schestowitz Intel will lay off soon. I can sense it. Dec 29 13:22
schestowitz Pretty massive. Maybe they’ll manage to create alternative workforce in China. Dec 29 13:22
schestowitz We have a slow year ahead, PetoKraus. I think chemists will be fine because the medical sector has demand driven by illness. People don’t get more ‘healthy’ in slowdowns. Dec 29 13:25
PetoKraus i don’t mind slow year Dec 29 13:25
PetoKraus more time to shoot Dec 29 13:26
schestowitz Shoot? Dec 29 13:26
PetoKraus pictures and rabbits Dec 29 13:26
schestowitz Hehe. Dec 29 13:26
PetoKraus my friend, that turkish one, wants to go hunting Dec 29 13:26
PetoKraus i’ve never been. Might be fun. Dec 29 13:26
schestowitz Here’s one for you to beat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:L… Dec 29 13:26
schestowitz Classic. Dec 29 13:26
PetoKraus well yeah :D Dec 29 13:26
schestowitz “English: Destitute pea pickers in California, mother of seven children, age thirty-two, in the 1930s.” Dec 29 13:27
PetoKraus mother of seven, age 32 Dec 29 13:27
PetoKraus that’s nothing Dec 29 13:27
PetoKraus gimme £10 and i’ll get you a picture of a mother of twelve age 30 Dec 29 13:27
schestowitz It symbolises the Great Depression. Dec 29 13:27
schestowitz Another immortal classic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G… Dec 29 13:28
schestowitz This is the full one: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fil… Dec 29 13:29
PetoKraus i like benson’s pictures quite a lot Dec 29 13:30
schestowitz The former? Dec 29 13:30
schestowitz Oh Dec 29 13:30
schestowitz Picture (singular) Dec 29 13:30
PetoKraus he had a exhibition in the gallery in Glasgow this summer Dec 29 13:31
*schestowitz searches Dec 29 13:32
schestowitz Harry? Dec 29 13:33
schestowitz http://wwwpetepoetry-bullybuster.blogspot.co… Dec 29 13:33
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Har… Dec 29 13:34
schestowitz http://www.glasgowmuseums.com/ Dec 29 13:34
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H… Dec 29 13:34
schestowitz I dunno… Dec 29 13:34
schestowitz The age of autocracy in photography seems to have ended. Now everyone can just point the camera at stuff and let the aperture DoItsThing(C) Dec 29 13:36
schestowitz From mail: “There is no doubt Meeks and the others at Novell in the past did some great development on OOo. But is differerent now. It not like Meeks and his crew “volenteer” and contribute code, or spend 5 months writing up a manual for users for FREE for OOo.” Dec 29 14:01
schestowitz “They are paid by Novell, probably make more than us, to develope an alternative to OOo, using all OOo resources for the purpose of destroying OOo…..so that they can advance the MS/Novell agenda..” Dec 29 14:01
schestowitz “[T]he Novell Meeks crew is not collabarating, they could be using the same time and energy on OOo as they did in the past (prior Novell/MS agreement), but choose to create a competing product and aggresively attack the party they used to help…” Dec 29 14:02
schestowitz “The only excuse i have for Meeks, is he works for Novell and needs a paycheck so he might have been forced to go down this path. But that does not make him a friend of our community anymore.” Dec 29 14:02
MinceR is ooo gplv3? Dec 29 14:03
MinceR if not, it should be — that might be a nice angle to attack the .net patent trap from, perhaps Dec 29 14:03
schestowitz lgplv3 Dec 29 14:05
MinceR i wonder if that enforces a patent license for mono… Dec 29 14:09
schestowitz I’ll be back in a couple of minutes. Dec 29 14:45
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Omar87 schestowitz: Welcome back. Dec 29 14:53
trmanco :) Dec 29 14:54
schestowitz Once in a couple of weeks Compiz weighs down X, so I give X a kick. Dec 29 14:54
schestowitz 14:54:46 up 74 days, 23:13,  2 users,  load average: 0.96, 1.43, 1.63 Dec 29 14:54
trmanco lol Dec 29 14:55
trmanco a couple of weeks? Dec 29 14:55
trmanco more like a couple of months Dec 29 14:55
schestowitz Something like that Dec 29 14:55
schestowitz I don’t need to reboot to restart X Dec 29 14:55
*trmanco checks shell server’s uptime Dec 29 14:55
trmanco yeah I know Dec 29 14:55
trmanco 15:05:37 up 33 days,  8:31,  6 users,  load average: 1.05, 1.33, 1.38 Dec 29 14:56
trmanco hmm Dec 29 14:56
trmanco just a month for now Dec 29 14:56
trmanco too bad the uptime project died Dec 29 14:57
trmanco :| Dec 29 14:57
trmanco there was a Solaris computers with 6 years of uptime Dec 29 14:58
trmanco computer* Dec 29 14:58
trmanco The guy behind it managed to swap hard drives with it on somehow at about 4 years of uptime Dec 29 14:58
trmanco they hard drive was dying at that moment Dec 29 14:59
trmanco “This was especially true in the Windows 9x days[citation needed], where Windows NT and Windows 2000 users would boast of uptimes of more than 30 days, whereas many real-world Windows 9x installations crashed more often.” Dec 29 15:01
trmanco *LOL* Dec 29 15:01
trmanco an OpenVMS machine almost ram 12 years without a reboot :| Dec 29 15:02
schestowitz Hm… This is the beginning of bigger things, e.g.: Dec 29 15:02
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12… Dec 29 15:02
trmanco ran* Dec 29 15:02
schestowitz Intertsing. Dec 29 15:02
schestowitz Did the project really die? Dec 29 15:02
trmanco yes Dec 29 15:02
trmanco it died in 2007 Dec 29 15:03
trmanco who is Doug Mentohl Dec 29 15:03
trmanco ? Dec 29 15:03
trmanco there is a news uptime project though http://www.uptimes-project.org/ Dec 29 15:06
schestowitz How as the project funded or –rather–what did it achieve? Dec 29 15:15
schestowitz To put this differently, projects die if they are almost useless. Dec 29 15:15
schestowitz I run BN because I think it’s helpful and it’s fun Dec 29 15:16
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