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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 29th, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:46 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz I know sites that offer services Dec 29 15:16
schestowitz Like search lookups or Digg API-based tools Dec 29 15:16
schestowitz But what are they doing really? Dec 29 15:16
schestowitz They sure are self-funded and they offer not much of use, so they get abandoned. Dec 29 15:16
trmanco keeping a record of uptimes that’s all Dec 29 15:17
schestowitz Newsflash… Dec 29 15:24
schestowitz PJ might no longer do Groklaw Dec 29 15:24
trmanco :O Dec 29 15:24
trmanco why is that? Dec 29 15:24
schestowitz Long story. Dec 29 15:24
schestowitz Want me to bore you with a long story? Dec 29 15:24
schestowitz It’s annoying. Lots of sites are dying, and not just FOSS sites but also news site (I mentioned ECT the other day). Dec 29 15:25
schestowitz UK wants to censor the web now < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne… > Dec 29 15:27
schestowitz Looks like even Mr. MS TE has run out of gas at his blog after a strong start; hopefully he’ll pick up steam again. We’ll find out some more about Microsoft’s unethical behaviour. Dec 29 15:27
schestowitz Here’s something of interest, since I’ve just had a conversation about it. Dec 29 15:33
schestowitz I’ll spill my mind out quickly. ;-) Dec 29 15:33
schestowitz As you may aware, I was drawn to a world of research that I did not know too well but fulfilled my curiosity nonetheless (no, not my academic field). The things people said about critics… the way people  were threatened… you can maybe find it in the archives on the Internet, but I prefer not to give it visibility. Dec 29 15:34
schestowitz Hard experiences can change a person and a person’s writing style. PJ uses a style that’s kind of decent – she didn’t mince words, but I think that there was enough of a difference that she was taken more seriously by the media, and therefore was frequently quoted. Dec 29 15:35
schestowitz So anyway, maybe it’s  time for BN to tone it down a bit Dec 29 15:35
schestowitz With PJ perhaps permanently giving up active management to Groklaw, we might want to consider where we want to set the tone control at the site, as I expect we should see a big bump of traffic coming your way. Dec 29 15:36
schestowitz These links from Wintel press add very little to us because we deliver 22,000+ pages/day. The participation level from readers is low though. Maybe it’s because of the language used.. and the trolls who attack readers. Dec 29 15:36
schestowitz Many sites die and I don’t want to see BN going the way of the dodo. Shane, my co-editor, is in a similar situation (his sarcasm was misunderstood last night). Bruce Perens likewise… and many more sites that I read… they drop like flies. I reckon the economic crisis may be related to it, at least in part. Dec 29 15:37
schestowitz So I’ll try to sound more formal. I will bear this in mind when I write, but  if I slip, drop me a note and tell me off. Another issue is the sneaking of bad language through commenters who are trying to do exactly that and bring me/the site down to their level. Groklaw deleted obscene comments for this reason. Dec 29 15:38
schestowitz Then again, re: language, I don’t know whether that’s a good idea or not, as the style may be very effective, and we’re clearly pulling good traffic, so a lot of folks are tuning in to hear what we have to say. Dec 29 15:39
schestowitz I’ve been in contact with PJ for almost 3  years and she too was drawn into being more emotional when she typed (we all need ‘cool down’ time sometimes, but when you post at a high pace, there is no such time). She did preach to me about writing style and there are still temptations to deviate and to just spell out what you know for a fact sometimes. Dec 29 15:39
schestowitz I keep trying to improve by slowing down and taking time to ‘cool off’ because mood affects language (and vice versa). Dec 29 15:39
schestowitz To use a sketchy analogy, there are things we are not allowed to say or do, but it is hard to avoid them, even it costs us our reputation. I still learn to restrain myself and not to read the libel about me as it only distracts. I don’t censor anyone and it comes at a cost. It means you’re sunk down to troll’s level. Dec 29 15:40
schestowitz The real reason for all this is that it’s important that we use sources with a range of reputations for impartiality, not trolls. Dec 29 15:41
schestowitz Watch how Beranger gets ignored by almost everyone Dec 29 15:41
schestowitz If we were all as pointed in our styles, then Microsoft, SCO et al could simply say, “Pay no attention to them – they clearly have an axe to grind, and it wouldn’t matter what we do, they would still trash us.”  That would leave only the secret Microsoft supporters for people to listen to. Dec 29 15:42
schestowitz That said, BN was cited by Spiegel, Forbes, InformationWeek, IDG (e.g. ComputerWorld), OpenOffice.org front page, etc. People appreciate what they find there and while many are shy to comment and cite they /do/ read it. Dec 29 15:42
schestowitz Likewise, I read some literature and watch some videos that I would rather not cite… about government-induced ignorance and propaganda (even explained by distinguished professors). It helps people like us understand how things work, and how they can be generalised, and what we can pick from them. Dec 29 15:43
schestowitz Part of what I think people pay a lot of attention to is just style.  So I’ll try and avoid words like “shill,” “puppet,” and so on, and let the facts speak for themselves, while at the same time not trying to disguise or hide my opinions. Dec 29 15:43
schestowitz zoobab: NoOOXML failed this test too. Sadly for me, Shane chose a bad site name, which I was never happy with but still unable to change. The name leads to prejudice. From a practical point of view, relocation is not possible now. :-( No-OOXML does not sound exactly like an impartial source, does it? Dec 29 15:44
schestowitz As PJ said, the k00k status the trolls gave critics using endless libel might make it harder to be treated fairly. The way these things work, the slime tries bringing you down to its levels so that you’ll be seen or perceived as slime. The places where I post have intelligent people, but they are not moderated, so they get abused like you wouldn’t imagine. Dec 29 15:45
schestowitz trmanco: that’s why the trolls in COLA fake people like Terry and attack RMS so frequently. Dec 29 15:46
trmanco :| Dec 29 15:46
schestowitz They haven’t attacked you yet, have they? Dec 29 15:47
schestowitz When they do, you’ll know you do something right. :-) Dec 29 15:47
schestowitz They also stalk me in Digg where they attack me with words and mod points. Dec 29 15:47
schestowitz They do the same to twitter in Slashdot Dec 29 15:47
schestowitz They attack him, lead him to escaping to new accounts and then attack those too Dec 29 15:48
schestowitz Not that I endorse the idiotic idea of multiple accounts Dec 29 15:48
schestowitz But I can understand his frustration because silencing the messenger is exactly what they tried to do Dec 29 15:48
schestowitz And one former admin of Slashdot has just conffrmred to me that Micrrosoft does do this in Slashdot Dec 29 15:49
schestowitz I don’t know about Digg, but it”s similar. Dec 29 15:49
schestowitz They see IPs and stuff that people can’t see. Dec 29 15:49
schestowitz So it’s only natural to assume that they very well know what they have in their hands and in Slashdot, for example, they put twitter in the front page quite a lot Dec 29 15:50
schestowitz They know he’s being targetted. Dec 29 15:50
schestowitz Anywhoo… that’s me getting back to my thing. I need to write a report Dec 29 15:50
trmanco LOL ok Dec 29 15:56
schestowitz Mostly omission of cruft Dec 29 15:57
Omar87 Is it true that the FaunOS project has been discontinued? Dec 29 16:00
schestowitz Likely Dec 29 16:02
schestowitz I haven’t heard about it in almost a year Dec 29 16:02
schestowitz 1970: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h1A2ZZAfEn8 Dec 29 16:13
Omar87 schestowitz: Okay this is weird. Dec 29 16:22
Omar87 When I checked it out on DistroWatch, it clearly says: “This distribution is active”, and the same thing with Arch Linux. Dec 29 16:23
trmanco Arch Linux is active Dec 29 16:23
Omar87 But how come on Wikipedia, it says: “as of semptember 2008″, this project has been discontinued.. ?_? Dec 29 16:24
Omar87 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaunOS Dec 29 16:24
trmanco I have no idea Dec 29 16:24
Omar87 This means that either the DistroWatch page is out-dated, or that the WikiPedia page is a made by one of those little brats.. Dec 29 16:27
Omar87 What freaks you out even more is that the FaunOS site, itself doesn’t say anything about discontinuation. Dec 29 16:29
schestowitz Out of date I reckon Dec 29 16:29
Omar87 What is out of date? Dec 29 16:30
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?num=50&amp… Dec 29 16:30
schestowitz ” FaunOS (discontinued lasdt September 2008)” Dec 29 16:31
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seller_liar Damn! Dec 29 16:35
seller_liar Novell is attacking OO again! Dec 29 16:35
seller_liar http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl… Dec 29 16:35
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seller_liar Hey homer Dec 29 16:46
seller_liar Novell is attacking again Dec 29 16:46
seller_liar Why we must do? Dec 29 16:46
seller_liar What we must do? Dec 29 16:46
schestowitz Hey Dec 29 16:47
seller_liar hello rot Dec 29 16:47
seller_liar roy Dec 29 16:47
schestowitz seller_liar: I wrote about it twice Dec 29 16:47
schestowitz :-) common typo. I do it too sometimes Dec 29 16:47
seller_liar I know Dec 29 16:47
schestowitz What else can I do? Dec 29 16:47
schestowitz Some sites linked to my rebuttals. Dec 29 16:47
seller_liar I was trying to read slashdot arguments Dec 29 16:48
seller_liar and I was trying to destroy novell arguments Dec 29 16:48
schestowitz Slashdot is airing old new Dec 29 16:48
schestowitz *news. Shame on them Dec 29 16:48
schestowitz Two companies gain from this Dec 29 16:48
seller_liar But I was reading the arguments Dec 29 16:48
schestowitz Novell, because it’s more pwoer and support contracts Dec 29 16:48
seller_liar Some people try to defend Dec 29 16:48
schestowitz Microsoft too, as it makes another civil war Dec 29 16:48
schestowitz Fragmentation and all… Dec 29 16:48
seller_liar I remember , it’s similar at rms vs theo Dec 29 16:49
seller_liar Hey roy ,try to do some questions in openoffice site Dec 29 16:49
seller_liar Try to contact oo devs Dec 29 16:50
seller_liar and explains the reasons for Sun don t permit all contribuitiosn Dec 29 16:50
seller_liar *and try to ask the reasons for oo does not permit all contribs Dec 29 16:50
schestowitz I know the reaons. Dec 29 16:51
seller_liar Tell me Dec 29 16:51
schestowitz It’s accentuated by Novells Dec 29 16:51
seller_liar Business? Dec 29 16:51
schestowitz *Novell Dec 29 16:51
schestowitz Control over code, just like in Linux. Dec 29 16:51
schestowitz You can’t slip things into Linux, either. Dec 29 16:52
seller_liar Control over code is important for Sun.Sun is the major open souce contrbutor and needs thist type of controle Dec 29 16:52
schestowitz Meeks daemonises OOo based on character (“they are bad people”) and technical stuff (“they lack features, so download Go-OOXML”) Dec 29 16:52
seller_liar What novell wants? Dec 29 16:53
schestowitz seller_liar: businesses would not pick something built by any arbitrary patcher, either. OOo is an important project Dec 29 16:53
seller_liar Novell wants to own OO Dec 29 16:53
schestowitz it stores national archives and such, billing, etc. Dec 29 16:53
seller_liar seller_liar: Of course Dec 29 16:53
schestowitz Look how WordPress got poisoned Dec 29 16:53
schestowitz Someone sneaked in a back door… I can’t recall which version Dec 29 16:53
schestowitz To Microsoft it almost happened too Dec 29 16:53
schestowitz They caught and arrested the culprit in India Dec 29 16:54
schestowitz *LOL* @ <seller_liar> seller_liar: Of course Dec 29 16:54
schestowitz It’s like in Lord of the Rings. Dec 29 16:54
schestowitz “My preeeeecious Dec 29 16:54
seller_liar If all organizations and govts uses go-ooxml ,m$ gains power because Dec 29 16:54
seller_liar OOXML Dec 29 16:54
seller_liar schestowitz: Oh sorry Dec 29 16:54
schestowitz Well, never mind that Dec 29 16:55
schestowitz If Novell holds the userbase, then Microsoft has greater temptation to buy Novell Dec 29 16:55
schestowitz It would then butter both sides of the toast Dec 29 16:55
schestowitz http://www.zuco.org/science-vs-ad… Dec 29 16:56
seller_liar we mus put ooxml and moonlgiht as sh*t Dec 29 16:57
schestowitz How? Dec 29 16:58
seller_liar *It’s a good thing to put ooxml and moonlight  as piece of sh*t Dec 29 16:58
seller_liar Gnu dejects moonlight and OOXML Dec 29 16:58
schestowitz You’re competing with Novell PR and the press, which can be bought Dec 29 16:59
schestowitz So you must put your bets on people’s trust Dec 29 16:59
schestowitz And the trolls in BN try to erode trust in us. Dec 29 16:59
seller_liar I don t know what we must do Dec 29 17:01
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schestowitz “With retail, housing and even hi-tech grinding to a bit of a halt in recent months, most commentators would agree that 2009 is going to be a slow year.” < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/… > Dec 29 17:21
schestowitz “Slow year…” Understatement of the year [pun] Dec 29 17:22
schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/20081228/… (Australian Net Censorship Plan Delayed Temporarily) Dec 29 17:32
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schestowitz Available Now: Lunar Linux 1.6.4 < http://news.softpedia.com/news/Avail… > Looks neat. Dec 29 17:43
schestowitz :-S Downturn will slow Mozilla’s growth < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi… > Dec 29 17:50
neighborlee friend tried lunar once, he gave up. Dec 29 17:50
neighborlee and he’s a longtime linux’er Dec 29 17:50
schestowitz What’s it based on? Dec 29 17:50
neighborlee dont recall what his issues were atm but I could ask Dec 29 17:50
neighborlee why was commenter so angry about moonlight in debian,,its not like its part of the installer or has something changed recently ? Dec 29 17:53
schestowitz I think it’s in the repos Dec 29 17:53
schestowitz The infection is gradual Dec 29 17:53
schestowitz Let the finger go, soon it’s the fist and the arm Dec 29 17:53
schestowitz I don’t trust Mono and Go-OOXML Dec 29 17:53
neighborlee heh Dec 29 17:53
schestowitz brb Dec 29 17:54
neighborlee I dont either,,its clear what they are trying to do Dec 29 17:54
neighborlee you’d have to had lived under a rock the last few years or so , to not get that m$ does not have linux interest at ‘heart’ lol Dec 29 17:55
neighborlee I wondered about that too..the ‘shane’ comment had to be fake Dec 29 17:57
neighborlee it made no sense , coming from ‘ex’ editor Dec 29 17:57
neighborlee ie: out of character Dec 29 17:57
neighborlee as in completely ;) Dec 29 17:57
schestowitz watch the go-ooxml web site Dec 29 17:58
schestowitz Read the first sentence. Dec 29 17:58
schestowitz It comes without saying that.. well, Miguel helped resolving comments on OOXML Dec 29 17:58
schestowitz He was helping Microsoft win standards war. Dec 29 17:58
schestowitz Like he does with .NET Dec 29 17:58
neighborlee pitifullly obvious yup Dec 29 17:58
schestowitz Like he sort of ‘attacked’ the EU commissioner for ‘daring’ to criticise Microsoft. Dec 29 17:59
neighborlee trouble is we find these things because we, as linux users worried about siuch things, take the time TO check these things out Dec 29 17:59
schestowitz “Why the EU regulators are wrong” I think was his little piece of mind. Dec 29 17:59
neighborlee most users may not have time, they just use their computers Dec 29 17:59
schestowitz You can google it. Dec 29 17:59
neighborlee yup Dec 29 17:59
neighborlee so such things can easily slip under most users radar Dec 29 18:00
schestowitz Re: shane. Check later comments. Dec 29 18:00
neighborlee kinda like government..some pay attention, some dont Dec 29 18:00
neighborlee ok Dec 29 18:00
neighborlee I totally agree with twitter,,shane comments made zero sense Dec 29 18:00
schestowitz I don’t know what he saw. Dec 29 18:00
schestowitz But I paste a comment from a reader. Dec 29 18:01
schestowitz It made a lot of sense to me. Dec 29 18:01
schestowitz *pasted Dec 29 18:01
neighborlee well I mean  the indida part Dec 29 18:01
schestowitz He doesn’t know what happened. Dec 29 18:01
neighborlee you had notihng to do with that,,that was ALL novel Dec 29 18:01
neighborlee I caught that immediately too Dec 29 18:01
schestowitz No one was arrested Dec 29 18:01
schestowitz They were escorted out. Dec 29 18:01
neighborlee yes, but the point was not you guys,it was al novel Dec 29 18:01
schestowitz For a /friendly/ non-violent protest where they used posters Dec 29 18:02
neighborlee yup I know all about it Dec 29 18:02
neighborlee I keep up ;) Dec 29 18:02
neighborlee mostly ;) Dec 29 18:02
neighborlee honeslty though..if shane was that misinformed about the india incident, I think im glad he’s a ‘ex’ editor. Dec 29 18:03
neighborlee still doesn’t make sense Dec 29 18:04
neighborlee ok I just read 12/129 post..and I think he really does need a vacation Dec 29 18:05
neighborlee I’ve read MANY posts on this site of yours , and while I dont consider myselfr a poster boy for BN on ANY level ( I have a mind of my own, and thx I use it) I never felt BN engaged in attacks compared to the level of disgust I felt coming from types like Jo, alex, yadda…there is zero comparison imho. Dec 29 18:06
schestowitz Hm……. Dec 29 18:11
schestowitz Messages bounce of my server. Dec 29 18:11
schestowitz From one server to another. very odd. Dec 29 18:11
neighborlee bounce ? ;) Dec 29 18:12
schestowitz A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its Dec 29 18:12
schestowitz recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: Dec 29 18:12
schestowitz   r@schestowitz.com Dec 29 18:12
schestowitz     SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<r schestowitz com>: Dec 29 18:12
schestowitz     host lin-mx100.hosting.catalyst2.com []: Dec 29 18:12
schestowitz     550 mx for transport sender domain – pass3.dizinc.com – should be a fqdn. Dec 29 18:12
schestowitz Like 30 of them since the morning. Dec 29 18:12
schestowitz I’ve had some issues with the filters recently. Dec 29 18:12
schestowitz People can’t mail me because it rejects them Dec 29 18:12
neighborlee ah ok Dec 29 18:12
neighborlee nasty Dec 29 18:13
neighborlee want me to try? Dec 29 18:13
schestowitz I tested it myself. Dec 29 18:14
schestowitz I’ll tell the bost Dec 29 18:14
schestowitz host Dec 29 18:14
neighborlee sent Dec 29 18:15
schestowitz “Recently I’ve had mail bouncing back to some people who mailed me. I think it’s a filtering thing. Here is a sample…” Dec 29 18:17
schestowitz Even close friends had it bounce Dec 29 18:17
neighborlee eek Dec 29 18:17
schestowitz You know, I missed many meetings cause of this Dec 29 18:17
schestowitz In fact, I blame the Windows zombies for all that SPAM chaos Dec 29 18:18
schestowitz Windows killed E-mail.. Dec 29 18:18
neighborlee sorry to hear that Dec 29 18:19
schestowitz Oh wait. Dec 29 18:19
schestowitz It seems like it’s on the other hand Dec 29 18:19
schestowitz Subscribers have bounces as well. Dec 29 18:19
neighborlee hm Dec 29 18:20
neighborlee mine has not come back yet Dec 29 18:20
schestowitz I think I know what’s happening. Dec 29 18:20
schestowitz Some stupid spammers use scatterback Dec 29 18:21
schestowitz They create false accounts in BN Dec 29 18:21
schestowitz This leads to many E-mails being sent to non-extistnt addresses. Dec 29 18:21
schestowitz So maybe the host clogged it up Dec 29 18:21
schestowitz That’s the best explanation I can find. Dec 29 18:22
schestowitz Dana uses bald Britney Spears to talk about patents: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-s… Dec 29 18:26
neighborlee oooook , this outta be rich ;) Dec 29 18:26
schestowitz I’ve just disabled registrations Dec 29 18:28
schestowitz OK…. http://boycottnovell.com/wp-login.php Dec 29 18:28
schestowitz But the host needs to ensure mail can go through Dec 29 18:29
schestowitz Those spammers ruin so much. I’ve just hd to close comments on old items because of them Dec 29 18:29
schestowitz I spend like an hour a week just reading about feet fetish, viagra, casino and other spam. Dec 29 18:30
schestowitz So now it’s impossible for people to comment on old item.. because of spammers Dec 29 18:30
schestowitz Now registrations are closed. Dec 29 18:30
neighborlee hm Dec 29 18:30
neighborlee I used to have no end of spam issues until I started using gmail Dec 29 18:30
neighborlee now I never get any to speak of,unless I check out spam folder. Dec 29 18:31
schestowitz You can still lose messages that way Dec 29 18:32
schestowitz Unless you check that folder too Dec 29 18:32
schestowitz In which case you separate spam but not eliminate it Dec 29 18:32
schestowitz Ha!! Dec 29 18:32
schestowitz I got an E-mail Dec 29 18:32
schestowitz Maybe that sorted things out. Dec 29 18:32
neighborlee good ;) Dec 29 18:33
neighborlee maybe my email saved you for today <ha-ha> Dec 29 18:33
neighborlee yes I try to remember to check somewhat regular to avoid losing things :))heh Dec 29 18:33
schestowitz I spent extra time this morning checking comments cause I haven’t notification Dec 29 18:34
schestowitz I typically have nice animated popups that alert me when comments drop in, so I can reply fast Dec 29 18:34
schestowitz Let me see if the host fixed it. Dec 29 18:34
schestowitz What did you mail? Dec 29 18:35
schestowitz Oh I see now Dec 29 18:35
schestowitz Wrong address. :-) Dec 29 18:35
schestowitz I redirect to to one of my 22 E-mail accounts on schestowitz.com Dec 29 18:35
neighborlee lol Dec 29 18:35
neighborlee I just used what you posted in here a moment agoi Dec 29 18:35
neighborlee -i Dec 29 18:36
neighborlee install fast! lol Dec 29 18:36
schestowitz *LOL* Dec 29 18:36
schestowitz That was confuisng… I got too E-mails from “Lees” Dec 29 18:36
schestowitz One was from Peter Lee. Dec 29 18:36
neighborlee lol Dec 29 18:36
schestowitz “Greetings! Dec 29 18:36
schestowitz                              Dec 29 18:36
schestowitz             URGENT  BUSINESS PROPOSAL FOR YOU, FROM HONG KONG!!!! Dec 29 18:36
schestowitz                                                Dec 29 18:36
schestowitz It is understandable that you might be a little bit apprehensive because you do Dec 29 18:36
schestowitz not know me, Please forgive this unusual manner to contact you, but this Dec 29 18:36
schestowitz particular letter/email is of exceptional” Dec 29 18:36
neighborlee rofl Dec 29 18:36
schestowitz 06:00 PM Dec 29 18:37
schestowitz Coincidence Dec 29 18:37
neighborlee do they really think anyone is fooled by this garbage ;) Dec 29 18:37
schestowitz So I was like, “what that other lee thing”? Dec 29 18:37
schestowitz *what’s Dec 29 18:37
neighborlee ha Dec 29 18:37
neighborlee had a good xmas I hope ;) Dec 29 18:38
neighborlee we certainly did Dec 29 18:38
schestowitz I did, yeah.. Dec 29 18:38
schestowitz I still have some days to rest Dec 29 18:38
schestowitz Next year will be a killer Dec 29 18:39
schestowitz IMH(assessment) Dec 29 18:39
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archi… Dec 29 18:39
neighborlee itw as to be somewhat sad as my father had passed away on 9/4 so I  wasn’t looking fwd to it, but it was a family feeling to it as we went to friends new house,,and it was grand day ;) Dec 29 18:39
schestowitz I’m so sorry to hear it. Dec 29 18:39
neighborlee could very well be yes Dec 29 18:39
neighborlee np at all Dec 29 18:39
schestowitz You told me before. Dec 29 18:39
neighborlee he was not happy in rest home, on any level Dec 29 18:39
neighborlee np ;) Dec 29 18:39
schestowitz This reminded me to ensure I disclose stuff, in case of worst circumstances. Dec 29 18:40
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008/… Dec 29 18:40
neighborlee now he is with our mother, who went on in 1987 brain cancer..he’s now totaly happy, where before only marginally Dec 29 18:40
neighborlee ok kewl Dec 29 18:40
schestowitz Good to hear that. Dec 29 18:40
neighborlee it truly is yup Dec 29 18:41
schestowitz Forcing people to be down here on Earth is not always fair to them. My grandma knows this. Dec 29 18:41
neighborlee yes quite. Dec 29 18:41
schestowitz But that’s a private story, I think. Dec 29 18:41
neighborlee my grandma only lasted one month in nursing home Dec 29 18:41
neighborlee she told me before she had no desire to goto one, and she didnt last long Dec 29 18:42
schestowitz Actually, I leave too much room for speculation here, so I’d rather say it now, Dec 29 18:42
neighborlee gotcha Dec 29 18:42
schestowitz She was almost 90 and she overdosed her pills because she didn’t like moving into a parents’ home Dec 29 18:42
schestowitz Which is fair enough, it was her choice Dec 29 18:42
schestowitz Trying to save her is not what she wanted, but the doctors were close. Dec 29 18:43
neighborlee well you know,,only god can judgte Dec 29 18:43
neighborlee judge Dec 29 18:43
schestowitz Then there’s my dog, Jenny. Dec 29 18:43
schestowitz She was like 17. Dec 29 18:43
schestowitz Almost blind. Dec 29 18:43
neighborlee and somehow I doubt the god I know, judges terribly harshly ..we all have to come to grips with morality  on various levels I guess but god I think is above it all Dec 29 18:43
neighborlee err you know what I mean ;) Dec 29 18:43
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog… http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch… Dec 29 18:44
neighborlee 17 is good long life for dog yup Dec 29 18:46
neighborlee losing them is rough..I was raised around dogs and cats so I get very close to them Dec 29 18:46
neighborlee ist like losing a child when they go…unconditional love is a stinker when its gone o_0 Dec 29 18:47
neighborlee getting a new poochie  from shelter though has been rewarding beyond measure.. Dec 29 18:48
neighborlee checking Dec 29 18:48
neighborlee ah yes they make great companions Dec 29 18:50
neighborlee friends we spent xmas with have 2 , very similar Dec 29 18:50
neighborlee very w arm dogs Dec 29 18:50
neighborlee once I start paying attention to them its all over for anyone else :)hehe Dec 29 18:51
neighborlee including humans ,haha Dec 29 18:51
neighborlee schestowitz, ohbtw..why does your site cause firefox scrollbar to react so slowly..some sites do it and I have always wondered why Dec 29 18:52
schestowitz My sister took it harder anyway Dec 29 18:52
neighborlee common Dec 29 18:52
schestowitz Maybe translucence? Dec 29 18:52
schestowitz *cy? Dec 29 18:52
neighborlee men are not told its ok to have emotions afterall ;) Dec 29 18:52
neighborlee no idea Dec 29 18:53
schestowitz Attachment depends on upbringing. Dec 29 18:53
schestowitz Some men are drained out of human emotion so that they join the army and become tools. Dec 29 18:53
schestowitz The aspiration is to have people so soulless that they are just detached from emotions and attacked to a machine (not just in the physical sense) Dec 29 18:54
schestowitz But that often is the nature of predatory capitalism where success can only be measured in terms of  physical gain. Dec 29 18:54
neighborlee yes army can do that Dec 29 18:54
schestowitz And likewise, a person success is judged from the outside in terms of countable objects or numbers that are analogous to them. Dec 29 18:55
schestowitz neighborlee: can? it does. Dec 29 18:55
neighborlee I never went in,my f ather was medic in navy though Dec 29 18:55
neighborlee wellI mean Dec 29 18:55
schestowitz What do you think boot camp is about Dec 29 18:55
neighborlee I think some people take it differently than others Dec 29 18:55
neighborlee like why one person cant take a given type of stress, while someone else is overall fine Dec 29 18:55
schestowitz It’s about insulting and demeaning to the point where a person is thankful just to have a bed, a meal and 5 hours of sleep Dec 29 18:55
schestowitz neighborlee: I think it’s mostly education-driven Dec 29 18:56
neighborlee yup I know of this Dec 29 18:56
schestowitz You can grow people to be  mosters if you try Dec 29 18:56
neighborlee thast the whole idea Dec 29 18:56
neighborlee thats Dec 29 18:56
schestowitz You can make them paranoid and afraid of stangers by introducing c”Creatures” and “witches” Dec 29 18:56
neighborlee that way its easier to killl.. Dec 29 18:56
schestowitz Whether it’s productive and intructive is a sepate issue Dec 29 18:56
neighborlee travesty Dec 29 18:56
schestowitz Poeple did experiements to study the impact of fear on character of children. Dec 29 18:57
schestowitz FPSes are about trainin people to kill Dec 29 18:57
schestowitz Thing is… Jack Thompson gave a bad name to people who point this out Dec 29 18:57
neighborlee sigh Dec 29 18:57
schestowitz By accusing Gates of things that Microsoft has not done… violent games that just run but don’t make Dec 29 18:57
schestowitz The military actually funds some of these games and people demand them because of peer pressure Dec 29 18:58
neighborlee too many violent games out there now Dec 29 18:58
schestowitz You can trivially manufacture a desire for such games by repeatedly showing them in a “cool” context on TV Dec 29 18:58
schestowitz Violent is “Cool” Dec 29 18:58
neighborlee I can tell you 100% if such games had been out there in my    childhood and I was caught playing them,  BYE BYE computer for a VERY long time. Dec 29 18:58
schestowitz Ask any kid who watches Rambo films and such Dec 29 18:58
neighborlee yup thats the idea Dec 29 18:59
schestowitz War is glorified. Dec 29 18:59
neighborlee of course Dec 29 18:59
schestowitz Fighting the “bad guys” for Uncle Sam is glamorised Dec 29 18:59
schestowitz And America has ‘heroes’ (like the new song) who kill the ‘bad guys’ in Iraw Dec 29 18:59
schestowitz *Iraq Dec 29 18:59
neighborlee nasty Dec 29 18:59
schestowitz Yeah… 1.3 million ‘bad’ guys… and gals… and kids… and babies. Dec 29 18:59
neighborlee war is easier than actuallly having to made new fr iends..to bush and his cronies anyway Dec 29 19:00
neighborlee thakfullly  thats all over Dec 29 19:00
neighborlee we hope ;) Dec 29 19:00
schestowitz Well, they used to have friends. Dec 29 19:02
neighborlee but it wont end there..the mentality of love thy neighbor has to extend everywhere for things to truly change globally..thats going to take alot of work but I think obama has alot of the right ‘stuff’ or at least desire to make them reality Dec 29 19:02
neighborlee yup Dec 29 19:02
schestowitz The United States was a big friend of Mr. Hussein. Dec 29 19:02
neighborlee yes Dec 29 19:02
schestowitz But he was no longer willing to be their puppet Dec 29 19:02
neighborlee what a mess Dec 29 19:02
schestowitz Apart from the atrocities Dec 29 19:02
schestowitz [which by the way were assisted by Thatcher and ... was it Ronald?] Dec 29 19:02
neighborlee not sure, I wasn’t very political back then..not at all Dec 29 19:03
neighborlee having enough trouble living life as it was, to be so. Dec 29 19:03
schestowitz I’m not sure about Obama anymore Dec 29 19:03
neighborlee well Dec 29 19:03
neighborlee im not in love with some of his choices ,, Dec 29 19:03
schestowitz Biden is pro-war and Rahm Emanuel was appointed too. He might be worse. Dec 29 19:03
neighborlee so to that ill just say, w’ell see o_0 Dec 29 19:03
schestowitz So you could choose between brands Dec 29 19:03
neighborlee I think he is so worried about taking middle ground that he mnight be slightly blinded ..but we’ll see ;) Dec 29 19:04
schestowitz The Obama (“Change”) brand or “the other thing” (more of the same). But the people who made the core of it have similar policies. Dec 29 19:04
schestowitz They are, after all, funded by the same companies.;-) Dec 29 19:04
neighborlee buck stops with obama though Dec 29 19:04
neighborlee but we’ll see..he is in charge of his own desitny.. Dec 29 19:05
neighborlee destiny o_0 Dec 29 19:05
schestowitz “Come everyone, it’s been 4 years, come and vote.. behold the ‘choice’… feel the democracy… never mind if you live in a one-party state… of corporcracy” Dec 29 19:05
schestowitz Sheesh Dec 29 19:05
schestowitz Destiny, Unity, Change Dec 29 19:06
schestowitz Nice slogan he got there. Dec 29 19:06
neighborlee :) Dec 29 19:06
schestowitz http://www.hmnl.nl/HMNL/web.nsf/v… I really commend these attempts to push IBM to do the Right Thing. I’ve already tried without much success. Dec 29 19:11
schestowitz There’s some response to that word about PJ.. “Wow — that’s news to me.  Her site always impressed me and I felt like she got it right in the way she did things.  I hope that, if she quits, then she can find someone else to pick up the mantel.” I hope she stays Dec 29 19:13
schestowitz She’s not  replying to mails Dec 29 19:13
neighborlee Idont worry allot about some things..things I cant control , but things I can I try to make a difference of course…abs. power corrupts yadda..those who think power makes them formiddable forget the eye of needle teaching,,some have power and use it for good though . Dec 29 19:13
schestowitz Power for change works Dec 29 19:14
schestowitz new example: http://techdirt.com/articles/2008122… (Australian Net Censorship Plan Delayed Temporarily) Dec 29 19:14
schestowitz Old examples: feminisms, people against slavery, etc. Dec 29 19:14
neighborlee yes Dec 29 19:14
neighborlee such things we’ve always had with us, just given a new name ;) Dec 29 19:15
schestowitz Novell chnages because of BN also Dec 29 19:15
schestowitz There are confirmed examples Dec 29 19:15
schestowitz http://go.theregister.com/feed/www…. Dec 29 19:19
schestowitz UK.gov to push Obama for tougher rules online “The culture secretary Andy Burnham has suggested the UK should lead an international effort to introduce cinema-style age ratings on websites to prevent children accessing “unacceptable” material online.” Dec 29 19:23
trmanco anyone know the ascii code for (R) Dec 29 19:26
trmanco ? Dec 29 19:26
schestowitz I just copy and paste it. Dec 29 19:27
schestowitz “A trademark or trade mark, identified by the symbols ™ and ®” Dec 29 19:28
trmanco I just wanted the R with the circle around it to make fun of something :-P Dec 29 19:28
trmanco ha thanks Dec 29 19:28
schestowitz From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark Dec 29 19:28
neighborlee schestowitz, about time pron was put to a early rest..I wasn’t raised that way, and im saddened to see it flourish on any level Dec 29 19:31
neighborlee to me it taints what love, and love making are meant to be. Dec 29 19:32
neighborlee but thats just me, some might call me old fashioned ;) Dec 29 19:32
neighborlee lol Dec 29 19:32
schestowitz That’s The Register Dec 29 19:34
schestowitz I was reading tech news and it showed u Dec 29 19:34
schestowitz So I thought I’d share it in spirit of the err.. winter Dec 29 19:34
neighborlee :) Dec 29 19:43
schestowitz These winters are probable fake anyway Dec 29 19:45
trmanco lol @ schestowitz’s spamchaff page Dec 29 19:46
trmanco http://schestowitz.com/spamchaff Dec 29 19:46
trmanco interesting Dec 29 19:46
MinceR :) Dec 29 19:47
trmanco OT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… Dec 29 19:59
schestowitz trmanco: I borrows the idea Dec 29 20:00
schestowitz With attribution Dec 29 20:00
schestowitz [from my boss at the time (around 2003) Dec 29 20:00
trmanco LOL Dec 29 20:00
trmanco its funny Dec 29 20:00
schestowitz He too borrowed it from somewhere Dec 29 20:00
schestowitz He was getting about 50 SPAM per day at the time Dec 29 20:00
schestowitz The following year, Gates said SPAM would vanish Dec 29 20:00
schestowitz In Davos he said that, IIRC Dec 29 20:01
schestowitz Found it “”Spam will be a thing of the past in two years’ time.” –Bill Gates, 2004 Dec 29 20:01
schestowitz Botmaster later stepped down, but SPAM did not end. Dec 29 20:01
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/… Dec 29 20:02
trmanco it is all a lie Dec 29 20:03
schestowitz http://tecnicos.escenf.unam.edu.ar/codigo-a… Dec 29 20:04
schestowitz That cartoon I madq very quickly has spread quite far. Dec 29 20:04
trmanco LOOL Dec 29 20:05
trmanco I’ll brb Dec 29 20:05
schestowitz Just stumbled upon http://blip.tv/file/1618916 Dec 29 20:05
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schestowitz Perceived Value Is Reality http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/1… Dec 29 20:28
schestowitz Think about Apple and MS products. “But what kind of incentive is most effective and brings the most return for the retailer? A discount? A gift? Free shipping?” Dec 29 20:29
schestowitz ‘Discounted’ Windows (does it cost anything to make a copy?) Dec 29 20:29
schestowitz $2000 Macs…\ Dec 29 20:30
schestowitz OOo responds to Novell: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/the_… Dec 29 20:35
schestowitz I think it’s a response, but it’s subtle Dec 29 20:35
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neighborlee checking Dec 29 20:45
Tallken checked Dec 29 20:46
Tallken schestowitz, http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/29/bri… — the title says it all ^^ Dec 29 20:47
schestowitz Thanks, old news :-) Dec 29 20:47
schestowitz From last week :-) But thanks! Dec 29 20:47
schestowitz I’m doing  rebuttal to the Go-OOXML-imposed FUD Novell unleashed Dec 29 20:48
Tallken ok :p Dec 29 20:48
trmanco I only saw that today too Dec 29 20:49
neighborlee yeah I wont use notepad or wordpay anymore..oo all the way baby Dec 29 20:49
schestowitz Tallken: let me see… Dec 29 20:50
schestowitz You might enjoy what I wrote about it: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12… Dec 29 20:50
schestowitz It’s mostly a news accumulation from that day Dec 29 20:50
trmanco http://fedorasolved.org/ Dec 29 20:54
neighborlee I was using fedora but I kinda gave up,,I could not get skype to work audio wize no matter what I tried and never got forum help..for me it was under ‘must work’ item. Dec 29 20:56
Tallken schestowitz, thanks Dec 29 20:56
neighborlee trmanco, sad but true Dec 29 20:56
trmanco neighborlee, good thing that you have choice Dec 29 20:56
neighborlee trmanco, I dont see it that way Dec 29 20:57
trmanco what dist is working for you at the moment? Dec 29 20:57
neighborlee trmanco, but I get the point. Dec 29 20:57
neighborlee mandriva Dec 29 20:57
trmanco never tried it Dec 29 20:57
neighborlee 2009 kde lived-installed Dec 29 20:57
trmanco cool Dec 29 20:57
neighborlee well..at least mandriva has no mono,,at least not in default recommended,,same as fedora Dec 29 20:57
trmanco Fedora 9 doesn’t work for me very well either (school) Dec 29 20:58
Tallken i deleted saturday my second gentoo partial install by accident Dec 29 20:58
neighborlee ouch Dec 29 20:58
neighborlee sorry to hear that Dec 29 20:58
trmanco oops Dec 29 20:58
Tallken i want a rolling distro Dec 29 20:58
neighborlee arch is I think Dec 29 20:58
trmanco what do you mean by rolling? Dec 29 20:58
neighborlee so is mint I think Dec 29 20:58
Tallken ya arch is gathering much momentum Dec 29 20:58
neighborlee yeah Dec 29 20:58
Tallken mint as well? Dec 29 20:58
neighborlee seems so Dec 29 20:59
Tallken but I’ve  asoft spot for Gentoo Dec 29 20:59
Tallken trmanco, always updated Dec 29 20:59
trmanco ok thanks Dec 29 20:59
Tallken trmanco, instead of: relase, stable for 6 months, release, stable for 6 months and so on Dec 29 20:59
neighborlee I like gentoo for its ability to customize via USE, but I never could see past hastle of compiling everything I wanted to use.. Dec 29 20:59
Tallken or for two here if you use to a LTS and don’t wish to upgrade Dec 29 20:59
Tallken USE=”-mono” ^^ Dec 29 20:59
neighborlee ROFL Dec 29 21:00
neighborlee indeed ;))) Dec 29 21:00
Tallken well there are three issues with Gentoo Dec 29 21:00
trmanco yeah I get it Dec 29 21:00
Tallken the community is in bad shape, though now it’s on the track to reorganize Dec 29 21:00
trmanco I’ve tried Arch on a VM Dec 29 21:00
trmanco I like its package manager Dec 29 21:00
trmanco pacman :D Dec 29 21:00
neighborlee Tallken, glad to hear that Dec 29 21:00
neighborlee trmanco, yup Dec 29 21:00
Tallken emerge is kinda wacko — not a problem for me since I’m used to it but a newbie will get nuts with circular dependencies Dec 29 21:00
trmanco I used to do a lot of pacman -Syu Dec 29 21:01
neighborlee Tallken, ouch Dec 29 21:01
trmanco I haven’t tried gentoo, yet Dec 29 21:01
neighborlee make sure you have at least 6 hours free ;) Dec 29 21:01
Tallken though I think it’s actually a *fix* which is causing it, initially it would install though some depedencies weren’t met, but on the building process things would go right :p Dec 29 21:01
neighborlee or so depending how fast your system is ;)))) Dec 29 21:01
trmanco neighborlee, LOL Dec 29 21:02
Tallken neighborlee, more. I was installing Gentoo in /gentoo Dec 29 21:02
neighborlee :) Dec 29 21:02
Tallken and was planning to switch the files’ place once I had it all compiled Dec 29 21:02
Tallken using a LiveCD Dec 29 21:02
Tallken and there is one issue missing Dec 29 21:02
Tallken but can’t remember which one was :p Dec 29 21:02
neighborlee is gentoo livecd finally doable or is stilll in category of only if your a linux enthusiast ;) Dec 29 21:03
schestowitz Tallken: check out the arch IRC channel. it’s /loaded/ Dec 29 21:05
schestowitz 3 times as many people as #mandriva Dec 29 21:05
Tallken neighborlee, I didn’t even used it Dec 29 21:05
Tallken used old install method Dec 29 21:05
Tallken a bunch of tar.gz Dec 29 21:05
Tallken and you’re on the right track :p Dec 29 21:05
neighborlee yup most do Dec 29 21:06
neighborlee well arch is for a different community entirely ;) Dec 29 21:07
neighborlee one are major geeks and another are regular users who moonlight as geeks ;) Dec 29 21:07
neighborlee imho of course :) Dec 29 21:07
neighborlee oops damn I said moonlight Dec 29 21:07
Tallken lol Dec 29 21:07
neighborlee :) Dec 29 21:07
Tallken Arch is new Gentoo… Gentoo had a wonderful community back in old days Dec 29 21:08
Tallken *Arch is the new… Dec 29 21:08
neighborlee yea but can arch compile with use flags,,or some equiv? Dec 29 21:08
neighborlee that is a big deal Dec 29 21:08
neighborlee I mean for those who are into it per se Dec 29 21:08
MinceR gentoo has docs though :> Dec 29 21:10
Tallken neighborlee, you can use local use flags, since you can use ABS to build your own custom package Dec 29 21:11
Tallken as for global ones, for  example, if one wishes to disable mono for the whole system, I’m unaware Dec 29 21:12
neighborlee MinceR, heh Dec 29 21:18
neighborlee yeah docs rock ;) Dec 29 21:18
neighborlee few/bad  docs can ruin a project.. Dec 29 21:19
neighborlee game engine I user, just got a user from another engine where bad docs etc. brought them over..stuff happens ;( Dec 29 21:19
neighborlee …………use Dec 29 21:19
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/jimmi-hugh-w… Dec 29 21:22
schestowitz I don’t get it. They bend backwards to defend mischief. Dec 29 21:22
schestowitz Some days ago I saw a denialist changing history on Microsoft’s “letters from dead people”. Amazing!! Dec 29 21:23
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schestowitz Netsplit Dec 29 21:38
Tallken the investigators can create a file with the desired MD5sum Dec 29 21:38
Tallken but it’s a data filled with garbage Dec 29 21:38
trmanco but still, you haven’t answered my question Dec 29 21:38
schestowitz Just in case: Dec 29 21:39
schestowitz <trmanco>which is stronger and more secure? SHA1 or MD5? Dec 29 21:39
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schestowitz Dec 29 21:25:39 <trmanco>headshot Dec 29 21:39
schestowitz Dec 29 21:26:14 <Tallken>lol Dec 29 21:39
schestowitz Dec 29 21:26:33 <Tallken>trmanco, MD5 has seen at least one attack developed against it Dec 29 21:39
schestowitz Dec 29 21:26:45 <Tallken>it’s useless, for now, but the research has started Dec 29 21:39
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schestowitz Dec 29 21:27:08 <Tallken>the investigators can create a file with the desired MD5sum Dec 29 21:39
schestowitz Dec 29 21:27:19 <Tallken>but it’s a data filled with garbage Dec 29 21:39
schestowitz Dec 29 21:27:29 <schestowitz>Netsplit Dec 29 21:39
schestowitz Dec 29 21:27:47 <trmanco>but still, you haven’t answered my question Dec 29 21:39
Tallken trmanco, so, SHA1 :p Dec 29 21:39
PetoKraus moin?! Dec 29 21:40
trmanco lol Dec 29 21:40
MinceR iirc even SHA-1 is vulnerable already Dec 29 21:40
*MinceR prefers SHA-512 Dec 29 21:40
trmanco logger_bot didn’t get split Dec 29 21:40
schestowitz trmanco: I don’t know Dec 29 21:40
schestowitz I think two machines fell Dec 29 21:40
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-tomaw-[Global Notice] Hi all. Our EU to US connectively dropped for a moment there generating a rather messy split. From what we can tell it seems to be resolved so sorry for the noise and thanks for using freenode! Dec 29 21:40
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trmanco Tallken, ok Dec 29 21:41
schestowitz So the split was different in different places Dec 29 21:41
trmanco MinceR, LOL SHA-512 Dec 29 21:41
MinceR ? Dec 29 21:41
trmanco how about RSA Dec 29 21:41
MinceR RSA isn’t a hash algorithm Dec 29 21:41
trmanco I’m catching up Dec 29 21:42
trmanco crap, better do some research Dec 29 21:42
MinceR i’m not sure RSA would be useful in building a hash algorithm Dec 29 21:42
MinceR you can build one from a symmetric cipher though Dec 29 21:42
MinceR (DES is used in that way by the old Unix password hashing method) Dec 29 21:42
trmanco hmm Dec 29 21:44
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trmanco MinceR, SHA-512 = SHA-2? right? Dec 29 21:45
MinceR it seems SHA-512 is part of the SHA-2 family Dec 29 21:47
trmanco yes its a variant Dec 29 21:47
schestowitz “Due to the deteriorating economic conditions caused by the global financial crisis all around us, the decision was made in early October to cancel the 2008 general meeting, scheduled to take place a few weeks later, and to replace it with some alternative virtual meeting that would require no travel.” http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2008/1… Dec 29 21:59
schestowitz Turns out there’s a Wiki page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glo… Dec 29 21:59
schestowitz “Mom Kelli Roman got an unexpected Christmas Eve surprise: Facebook yanked her privileges to use the social networking site not long after she received an e-mail warning for “misusing certain features on the site.” Roman has been at the center of a growing controversy on Facebook that’s been brewing since last summer (and that we discussed last fall) — that some photos of breastfeeding are obscene.” http://voices.washingtonpost.co Dec 29 22:01
schestowitz m/parenting/2008/12/facebook_vs_breastf eeding_phot.html?hpid=news-col-blog Dec 29 22:01
schestowitz http://voices.washingtonpost.com/parenting/… Dec 29 22:02
Tallken OLD :p Dec 29 22:02
schestowitz Really? Oh well.. Dec 29 22:02
schestowitz Next thing you know they’ll label it pedophilia Dec 29 22:02
schestowitz Because, you know, there is a baby there.. Dec 29 22:02
schestowitz Block the WHOLE domain (Facebook), just like Wikipedia (IWF) Dec 29 22:03
trmanco Microsoft specs out ‘pay as you go’ PC scheme: http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar… Dec 29 22:03
schestowitz Miserable signs Dec 29 22:03
schestowitz They can’t profit from Windows Dec 29 22:03
schestowitz They want to give it away… on a lease… like renting a bad, insecure car Dec 29 22:04
trmanco microfoot won’t fix the bugs because of its stupid pyramid scheme Dec 29 22:04
schestowitz “On Parenting: Are Breastfeeding Pics ‘Obscene’? Only to conservative white men who feel it necessary to control women.” Dec 29 22:05
schestowitz “The photo you posted is not “obscene” by Facebook’s own standards. It would be hard to post a picture of a child eating that also showed a nipple – by definition, unless the mom was showing off the other breast – which is unnecessary. Breastfeeding itself it never obscene.” Dec 29 22:05
schestowitz trmanco: Yahoo pyramid?? WOTTT? Microsoft bought them already? Dec 29 22:05
trmanco no Dec 29 22:06
trmanco not that Dec 29 22:06
trmanco for example, if they fix there registry where will all the registry fixing software go? and the companies behind them Dec 29 22:06
trmanco :-P Dec 29 22:06
schestowitz Fox About To Get Paid For A Movie It Had Absolutely Nothing To Do With < http://techdirt.com/articles/2008122… > Dec 29 22:09
schestowitz http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1405 Dec 29 22:15
schestowitz Pinkux Dec 29 22:15
*PetoKraus has quit (Remote closed the connection) Dec 29 22:17
schestowitz She links to an article about wealth in Linux, but it just about predates the massive FrausStreet crash: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/c… Dec 29 22:22
schestowitz :-| http://blog.andrewmin.com/2008/12/28… Dec 29 22:40
schestowitz No mentioning of Wine, I think Dec 29 22:40
*PetoKraus (n=pk@host-77-247-224-25.isper.sk) has joined #boycottnovell Dec 29 22:40
trmanco schestowitz, nop Dec 29 22:42
trmanco but in overall, it is a good post Dec 29 22:43
trmanco IMO Dec 29 22:43
neighborlee wine is ‘ok’ but hardly a fix all Dec 29 22:44
neighborlee though new wine is impressive .last time I used it wine took forever to load but man its real quick now..that or I just had a badly supported game :) Dec 29 22:44
trmanco Wine is pretty fast on some softies Dec 29 22:45
schestowitz People who loves gaming often just buy consoles Dec 29 22:45
schestowitz The wii ain’t expensive Dec 29 22:45
schestowitz And if people are used to paying for Windows games anyway, why not Wii games? Dec 29 22:46
neighborlee thats quite true now.. Dec 29 22:46
neighborlee wiifit is also going to be a huge hit.. Dec 29 22:46
neighborlee pc sales I think will suffer as a result Dec 29 22:46
neighborlee though the  MOD crowd will always be loyal. Dec 29 22:46
neighborlee now there is wiispeak Dec 29 22:47
neighborlee guitar hero is real popular :) Dec 29 22:47
MinceR i think we need wine for the transition period Dec 29 22:49
schestowitz Mention Wii and see neighborlee going ballistic. Dec 29 22:50
MinceR :D Dec 29 22:50
MinceR wii need an emulator! Dec 29 22:50
neighborlee LOL Dec 29 22:50
trmanco lol Dec 29 22:50
neighborlee cant help it Dec 29 22:51
schestowitz It’s a good think the substring “wii” is uncommon Dec 29 22:51
trmanco WNAE Dec 29 22:51
schestowitz *thing Dec 29 22:51
neighborlee wiitennis drew me in, grabbed me by my b*** and neer let go Dec 29 22:51
schestowitz Like aaaaardvark. Dec 29 22:51
neighborlee and now that I have super mairo galaxy its aLL over :)lol Dec 29 22:51
neighborlee invite to WoW, bbl Dec 29 22:52
neighborlee o_0 Dec 29 22:52
MinceR that sponsoring idea is interesting, it might work Dec 29 22:53
schestowitz Oh LORDAY! Thank goodness for the Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!rtner Group…  http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresourc… Time to stop referencing people who sell opinions for money Dec 29 23:04
schestowitz These people don’t /give/ opinions; they negotiate and sell them; even Joe Wilccox (former analyst) admitted this Dec 29 23:06
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