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01.05.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 4th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:59 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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MinceR gn Jan 04 02:37
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schestowitz nn Jan 04 02:48
schestowitz wm, kentma1 Jan 04 02:48
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anivar schestowitz:  Kerala is moving to Non Free Way again Jan 04 04:58
anivar 2 major supporters for Free Software in Govt is Removed by The Govt. (Leaded by Communist Party of India (Marxist)) Jan 04 04:58
anivar Chief Ministers IT advisor and Arun M (Special Officer, ICFOSS & FSF India Secretry) is removed Jan 04 04:59
anivar schestowitz: Also see new Reports like this http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-… Jan 04 05:01
anivar vote in FSdaily http://www.fsdaily.com/Government/Kerala_IT_poli… Jan 04 05:04
anivar Also there is a move to Change IT Policy of the state Jan 04 05:04
anivar <http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Tit… Jan 04 05:05
anivar schestowitz: ping Jan 04 05:05
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schestowitz Shane hardly gets the chance to post and the trolls try to incite him against the site. His sarcasm was also misunderstood. He’ll hopefully be posting soon (he’s on vacation). Jan 04 10:05
tessier It’s quiet in here this evening… Jan 04 10:13
schestowitz What time is it? 2am? Jan 04 10:13
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DarkUranium hi Jan 04 10:17
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schestowitz Hey Jan 04 10:20
tessier It’s 2:32am here now Jan 04 10:30
tessier schestowitz: What part of the world are you in? Jan 04 10:30
schestowitz UK. Jan 04 10:31
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tessier Ah. That explains the hours you seem to keep. Jan 04 10:34
schestowitz I went to sleep at 4:30 Jan 04 10:34
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schestowitz “boycottnovell also has a lot of great quotes. It’s worthwhile visiting just for the quotes.” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=200… Jan 04 10:51
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MinceR geekings Jan 04 11:30
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schestowitz The old press is not just being neglected; it’s dying. Bailing out the press, newspapers at risk < http://www.axcessnews.com/index.php/a… > Jan 04 11:36
schestowitz Some people in position of authority would be frantic if the press lost its appeal. “Who would control what people read, and think?” Jan 04 11:37
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Axz http://www.blogpirate.org/2009/01/04/ms-int… Jan 04 13:07
Axz schestowitz, something you think about it? Jan 04 13:07
schestowitz Hey, thanks. Jan 04 13:09
schestowitz I don’t like feeding Net Application Jan 04 13:09
schestowitz It’s a Big Lie stat. Jan 04 13:09
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Axz sorry i lost you whats big lie stat? Jan 04 13:12
schestowitz The way these stats are gathered Jan 04 13:12
schestowitz They are Linux hostile by design Jan 04 13:12
schestowitz Browsers are a different story because Firefox runs on Windows Jan 04 13:12
Axz ah lol oke yeah i understand true Jan 04 13:13
Axz i though maybe you could enjoy the read :p Jan 04 13:13
schestowitz Thanks, I do. Jan 04 13:17
schestowitz Hold on. Jan 04 13:17
schestowitz Read this: http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/… Jan 04 13:18
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seller_liar Bizarre m$ patents Jan 04 13:53
seller_liar http://technologizer.com/2009/01/02/mic… Jan 04 13:53
Axz hehe Jan 04 13:53
seller_liar It’s a good article , 15 topics Jan 04 13:54
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schestowitz Hey seller_liar Jan 04 13:57
seller_liar schestowitz: hello roy Jan 04 13:57
schestowitz seller_liar: I will soon post something importanty Jan 04 13:57
schestowitz It ought to show also how Microsoft ‘corrupts’ (IMHO) Brazil’s government Jan 04 13:57
seller_liar schestowitz:interesting thing Jan 04 13:57
schestowitz seller_liar: technologizer is an MS shills site Jan 04 13:57
schestowitz It’s run by some Harry guy who’s a buddy of theirs. Jan 04 13:58
seller_liar schestowitz: M$ is very stupid for put patents in animation Jan 04 14:00
schestowitz Yes, they need to share shareholders something. Jan 04 14:03
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schestowitz I need assistance. Jan 04 15:03
schestowitz See if you stop typos here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/04/microso… (Microsoft dumps non-Free software on Kerala to block GNU/Linux; more antitrust exhibits unveiled) Jan 04 15:04
schestowitz This is major Jan 04 15:04
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schestowitz In a nutshell, this is a set of Big memos from Microsoft Jan 04 15:04
schestowitz They were circulated among the very top chiefs including Ballmer Jan 04 15:05
schestowitz They show that: 1) Microsoft uses talking points and FUD (in its sldies) Jan 04 15:05
schestowitz 2) Microsoft ‘attacks’ countries adopting Linux with dumping tactics Jan 04 15:05
schestowitz 3) Microsoft spies on the markets that may adopt Linux Jan 04 15:05
schestowitz 4) It does this in Kerala also Jan 04 15:05
schestowitz I’ll need to proofread it now. Jan 04 15:05
schestowitz If you look at my extraction of the text (and images) at the bottom, this is pretty major — it’s solid proof of targeted Microsoft dumping against GNU/Linux and Free software. Jan 04 15:09
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zoobab /win 2 Jan 04 15:59
schestowitz zoobab: what’s up? Jan 04 15:59
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zoobab sick as hell after the New Year in Berlin Jan 04 16:09
zoobab going to fetch medecines now Jan 04 16:09
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zoobab do you want to come for FOSDEM? Rui is staying at my place Jan 04 16:11
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schestowitz FOSDEN is filled with SUSE people. Jan 04 16:12
schestowitz *DEM Jan 04 16:12
schestowitz Will houghi be there? Jan 04 16:12
benJIman He has been the last couple of years. Jan 04 16:13
anivar_ schestowitz:  sent a mail Jan 04 16:13
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anivar just seen your post Jan 04 16:13
schestowitz Thanks. Jan 04 16:14
*schestowitz checks mail Jan 04 16:15
benJIman There are a lot more debian people at fosdem than suse. Jan 04 16:15
benJIman A noticible lack of ubuntu people though. Jan 04 16:15
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/04/… Jan 04 16:16
schestowitz Debian does not seem to be big in central Europe Jan 04 16:17
schestowitz OOPS Jan 04 16:17
schestowitz I mean, Ubuntu Jan 04 16:17
benJIman I think it’s more that the actual developers use debian, and fosdem is a developer conference. Jan 04 16:18
*benJIman wonders why schestowitz doesn’t use British or ISO standard date format. Jan 04 16:19
schestowitz WordPress default. Jan 04 16:20
schestowitz anivar: I’ll post more info about it later on. Jan 04 16:21
benJIman FOSDEM is going to be expensive this year with GBP failing so much. Jan 04 16:21
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schestowitz I thought it had fallen low enough when I sold my dollars. Jan 04 16:23
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benJIman 1:1 with the euro now. Jan 04 16:23
schestowitz http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-conve… Jan 04 16:24
schestowitz Yup Jan 04 16:24
schestowitz You beat me to it. Jan 04 16:24
schestowitz I was going to say the same thing. Jan 04 16:24
schestowitz http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GBPUSD=X&t=… Jan 04 16:24
schestowitz SCO 2: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GBPUSD=X… Jan 04 16:25
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schestowitz A VC backed exit just two days into 2009? Amazing! “http://www.techflash.com/venture/SourceLabs…“ Jan 04 16:32
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen… < Climate change policies failing, Nasa scientist warns Obama > Jan 04 16:35
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ushimitsudoki Microsoft is editing their PressPass transcriptions to remove embarrassing quotes? Jan 04 16:54
ushimitsudoki A *lot* of sources either directly link to, or refer to this speech of ballmer: http://www.microsoft.com/pres… Jan 04 16:55
ushimitsudoki Where he asserting patent violations Jan 04 16:55
ushimitsudoki But I can’t find the quotes in the transcript? Jan 04 16:55
ushimitsudoki example of a direct link reference: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-… Jan 04 16:55
schestowitz Hiya Jan 04 16:56
ushimitsudoki howdy Jan 04 16:56
ushimitsudoki ran across that tonight might be interesting Jan 04 16:56
schestowitz Interesting. Jan 04 16:56
schestowitz Tonight? Jan 04 16:57
schestowitz I checked http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/… Jan 04 16:57
ushimitsudoki yeah, still working on the “quote project” and noticed that I couldn’t find that quote in the transcript Jan 04 16:57
schestowitz I was hoping to find that it was written by Peter Galli, who is now a Microsoft employee (he used to just be an MS mole attacking FOSS from eWeek) Jan 04 16:57
schestowitz I wrote an important item earlier. Jan 04 16:58
anivar schestowitz: i sent u a mail Jan 04 16:58
anivar schestowitz: yes. before 30 min Jan 04 16:58
schestowitz I alerted Glyn about it. http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/01… Jan 04 16:59
schestowitz My comment will appear there shortly. Jan 04 16:59
schestowitz anivar: I received it. Jan 04 16:59
schestowitz Should I append to the current post or make a followup? Jan 04 16:59
anivar schestowitz: as you like Jan 04 16:59
schestowitz I reckon some people from ‘above’ are trying to toss people. Jan 04 16:59
schestowitz Typical Slog-like routine. Jan 04 17:00
anivar i think append is better Jan 04 17:00
schestowitz And we must expose them. Jan 04 17:00
schestowitz It’s like Massachusetts. Jan 04 17:00
schestowitz anivar: I will append. Jan 04 17:00
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schestowitz anivar: the post is updated: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/04/… Thank you. Jan 04 17:20
schestowitz Happy ‘Gnu Year’ http://www.examiner.com/x-2177-Seatt… Jan 04 17:29
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schestowitz bbl Jan 04 17:39
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trmanco http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-717117-… Jan 04 19:24
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-christel-[Global Notice] Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen — it’s time for a somewhat late christmas pantomime.. I need to do a spot of rehubbing, it shouldn’t take too long and you’re welcome to point and laugh if it all breaks! Apologies for the inconvenience and have a nice day! Jan 04 19:49
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schestowitz Uber-split Jan 04 20:11
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Axz nice schestowitz the uptime Jan 04 21:12
Axz what distro? Jan 04 21:12
schestowitz Ubunntu on that one Jan 04 21:12
schestowitz The disusting stalkers from USENET are abusing my account in Digg Jan 04 21:15
schestowitz Disgusting. They must be TEs. They try to gag and they try to hide the message. Jan 04 21:16
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Axz schestowitz, whats your digg? Jan 04 21:39
schestowitz ‘schestowitz’ Jan 04 21:39
schestowitz I’ve just posted something about it in USENET (about an hour ago)T Jan 04 21:40
schestowitz They mass-bury submissions of mine, hoping to put me in trouble. Jan 04 21:40
Axz added you as friend Jan 04 21:41
schestowitz Thanks. Jan 04 21:41
schestowitz Gento? Jan 04 21:41
schestowitz “Hey there! Gento is your latest fan. He became your fan because he likes what you are up to on Digg and wants to see what you think is interesting. You can either leave him as a fan or add him to your own list of friends. Check out his profile here:” Jan 04 21:41
schestowitz 9:42PM Jan 04 21:41
Axz lmao Jan 04 21:42
Axz yeah Jan 04 21:42
schestowitz I can’t add more friends because it’s maxed up Jan 04 21:42
Axz whats a stupid message :P Jan 04 21:42
schestowitz They limit friends to about 1002 Jan 04 21:42
schestowitz Axz: E-mail notification Jan 04 21:42
schestowitz I get all sorts Jan 04 21:42
schestowitz Also for new comments in BN, Google Alerts, etc. Jan 04 21:42
Axz yeah i know Jan 04 21:42
schestowitz I used to befriend all those who marked me as friend. Jan 04 21:43
Axz well i be your truly fan then :P Jan 04 21:43
Axz Yeah i ;m not that long on digg Jan 04 21:44
Axz i’m also not that long in the unprofessional journalism :p Jan 04 21:44
Axz doing my best.. from skills i had from coding and tweaking around.. Jan 04 21:44
schestowitz I’ve done that as a hobby since 2003 or 2004 Jan 04 21:44
schestowitz Started my own little page in 2002 Jan 04 21:44
Axz Yeah nice job on web mate Jan 04 21:45
Axz i think its heaving patient Jan 04 21:45
schestowitz Yes. Jan 04 21:45
schestowitz BN grew a lot, so it’s worth more attention Jan 04 21:45
Axz well mine is 3 months old Jan 04 21:45
schestowitz I spend less time on other things now. Jan 04 21:45
schestowitz It’s a momentum thing. Jan 04 21:45
schestowitz Hold on. Jan 04 21:45
Axz we are progressive Tech/Piracy/Linux general culture Jan 04 21:46
Axz lets say freedom of speech Jan 04 21:46
schestowitz This was published today: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/W… Jan 04 21:46
schestowitz Some people see their sites tripling in size of audience Jan 04 21:46
schestowitz Some just die like Technocrat or slow down like Groklaw Jan 04 21:46
schestowitz schestowitz.com has also been fairly static for /years/ Jan 04 21:46
Axz yeps Jan 04 21:46
schestowitz So the readership that seeks new stuff (subscriber) moves on (and away) Jan 04 21:47
schestowitz Yes, the trolls are still attacking my submissions in Digg Jan 04 21:47
Axz yeah, well its funny world writing articles. Jan 04 21:48
schestowitz They get near to the front page, so they try to gag me Jan 04 21:48
schestowitz Stupid vandals. Jan 04 21:48
Axz wow Jan 04 21:48
schestowitz Microsoft TEs fearing their their masters might be seen for the crimes they commit.. Jan 04 21:48
schestowitz I had to log off to see the abuse: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Is_Mi… Jan 04 21:49
schestowitz In RSS I see this too because that’s where I’m lgogged off, so no fiters Jan 04 21:49
schestowitz The first chap there is a Microsoft booster Jan 04 21:49
schestowitz Been doing this for years in lots of the major sites, inc. Slashdort Jan 04 21:49
schestowitz A former editor of Slashdot admitted that Microsoft is gaming them Jan 04 21:50
schestowitz The second comment is worth reading too. Jan 04 21:50
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schestowitz http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/200… ( Bethesda Company Sues Realtor For Copyright Claim ) Jan 04 22:03
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schestowitz Axz: http://www.adriantry.com/7-reasons… Jan 04 22:54
schestowitz It may fit the theme you cover Jan 04 22:54
Axz yeps thanks Jan 04 22:59
schestowitz Heh. Just posted: http://translate.google.com/translate?sour… Jan 04 23:01
schestowitz The original is in Deutsch: http://vale.homelinux.net/wordpress/200… Jan 04 23:01
Axz hehe Jan 04 23:08
PetoKraus schestowitz: this might be an interesting article for you http://www.cleverjoe.com/articles… Jan 04 23:08
PetoKraus it is pretty old, but worth read Jan 04 23:09
schestowitz The problem is, not the singers are paid Jan 04 23:10
schestowitz Music is everywhere. Jan 04 23:10
schestowitz Birds sing too Jan 04 23:10
schestowitz Music is acquired by inspiration Jan 04 23:10
PetoKraus well this article deals with something different Jan 04 23:10
schestowitz So all music is just an assembly of inpuit we received, outputted broadly Jan 04 23:10
schestowitz And copyrights are for labels most of the time Jan 04 23:11
PetoKraus it’s basically – say you wanna record your piano works playing, say, Dire Straits or Keith Emerson Jan 04 23:11
schestowitz They own the copyrights Jan 04 23:11
PetoKraus and when you wanna release your cover, you need to pay royalty fee Jan 04 23:11
PetoKraus i just wonder whether it applies for commercial use only, or for non-commercial distribution as well Jan 04 23:11
schestowitz It’s impractical Jan 04 23:11
schestowitz If everyone paid for oxygen, that would just be a zero sum game Jan 04 23:11
PetoKraus as far as I understand the word “royalty”, it’s %age of gain, isn’t it Jan 04 23:11
schestowitz Same with software patents Jan 04 23:11
PetoKraus from sale Jan 04 23:11
schestowitz Economically, it’s better off to live without them. Jan 04 23:12
PetoKraus well anyway Jan 04 23:12
schestowitz Rednditions are another beast Jan 04 23:12
PetoKraus i can proceed with my Kyuss – Big Bikes © hunt Jan 04 23:12
schestowitz People are not allowed to do their own rendition of “happy birthday” Jan 04 23:12
schestowitz Let alone utter lyrics Jan 04 23:12
PetoKraus Library of Congress Jan 04 23:13
PetoKraus Copyright Office Jan 04 23:13
PetoKraus Licensing Division, LM-458 Jan 04 23:13
PetoKraus 101 Independence Avenue, S.E. Jan 04 23:13
PetoKraus Washington, D.C. 20557-6400 Jan 04 23:13
schestowitz That’s a dangerous path to take. Jan 04 23:13
schestowitz Lawyers, like bankers, are a form of leech that creates revenue from other people’s misery, which is imposed from above. Jan 04 23:13
schestowitz Copyrights are for people without talent where they are enforced with little realisation of business models that maximise exposure Jan 04 23:13
schestowitz Better known artists are just selling themselves to advertisers Jan 04 23:13
schestowitz People like Speaks become big because of the “brand” the MAFIAA built for her. Jan 04 23:14
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schestowitz So copytights are mostly for them to monetise her as an object Jan 04 23:14
schestowitz For voice, dance, looks, etc. Jan 04 23:14
schestowitz That’s how the moguls view it too and treatment — likewise — is bad. Jan 04 23:14
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MinceR gn Jan 04 23:43
schestowitz Early one, eh? Jan 04 23:44
MinceR got to work again Jan 04 23:44
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