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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 12th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:34 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz ECT sucks up to Microsoft in an act that’s almost revisionist: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/What… (What the World Needs Now: Microsoft’s Not-So-Evil Empire) Jan 12 00:04
MinceR gn Jan 12 00:07
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twitter shame about Bass.  That’s the one M$ said “always tells the whole story”.  I’m going to look and see how she’s been manipulated. Jan 12 01:50
schestowitz “Be careful how you use it because its quite an old piece of news now, fron 2005, I guess, it would be interesting to know how these programs have been updated… I found it in “Barrapunto”, the “spanish Slashdot”: http://barrapunto.com/article.pl?… Jan 12 01:53
schestowitz Watch that latest post about MS in academia Jan 12 01:54
twitter Ick, it was a Yahoo story.  So much bullshit has been flung, it’s hard to keep track of the truth.  Bass should have done better but I don’t have the stomach to read about that piece of corruption anymore. Jan 12 01:59
schestowitz I’ll post about it tomorr Jan 12 01:59
schestowitz I have about 5 MS posts, antitrust excluded Jan 12 02:00
twitter ha ha on zune.  I think roughly drafted summarized the zune story best in it’s scathing Zoon awards page. Jan 12 02:00
twitter have you seen that ? Jan 12 02:00
schestowitz Yes Jan 12 02:00
schestowitz RD is silent now Jan 12 02:01
twitter Oh.  How long has that been going on? Jan 12 02:01
twitter it is still funny. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/zoon/ Jan 12 02:02
twitter Jan 6, that’s a week’s worth of silence. Jan 12 02:04
twitter From MacWorld, “Predictably, there was great disappointment with Macworld Expo 09″ Jan 12 02:05
twitter That’s kind of harsh.  The world has yet to catch up with the iMacs.  They are really nice hardware and should be found on corporate desktops everywhere. Jan 12 02:06
twitter I’m told that the newer mac hardware is easier to get free software on, but I have not tried out iMacs.  They just look nice and are very small and quiet. Jan 12 02:07
schestowitz He posts short pointers Jan 12 02:08
schestowitz No long articles.. rarely. Jan 12 02:08
schestowitz The whole economy is a gloom… Microsoft at CES showed nothing new. Red Hat is also quiet. Jan 12 02:09
schestowitz I’ll do some daily picks in a moment. Jan 12 02:09
twitter I think I’m going to write up the zoon failure. Jan 12 02:09
schestowitz Wait, I’ll give you refs Jan 12 02:13
schestowitz http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/m… http://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_… http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=11427 Jan 12 02:13
schestowitz I found more, but they were not worth citing. Jan 12 02:14
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schestowitz *LOL* I’m listening to this audiocast with Asay and Rosenberg Jan 12 03:29
schestowitz Asay is told that many companies use C++, so he asks, “do they have background in Microsoft?” It seems as though he thinks C++ is a Microsoft thing… Jan 12 03:30
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Omar87 schestowitz: lol :) Jan 12 09:27
Omar87 schestowitz: How’s it going? Jan 12 09:28
schestowitz Hey Jan 12 09:29
schestowitz Just woke up Jan 12 09:29
kentma hi Jan 12 09:30
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schestowitz Photographers criminalised as police ‘abuse’ anti-terror laws < http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2009/01/phot… > Jan 12 11:52
schestowitz Seagate to slash up to 10 per cent of its staff < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/12… > Jan 12 11:59
kentma See “the innovator’s dillemma” – hard drives are being replaced with silicon memory… Jan 12 12:00
schestowitz I don’t think that’s that. Jan 12 12:00
kentma No?  How many new netbooks don’t have a drive? Jan 12 12:00
schestowitz I think it’s a general problem — bubble economy that assumes the world is an infinite garbage dump. Jan 12 12:01
schestowitz “The sky may have been clear and blue over Las Vegas during the giant Consumer Electronics Show (CES)but few of the 130,000 people attending failed to see dark clouds on the horizon in the shape of a looming recession.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techno… Jan 12 12:01
kentma I agree with you, but I think that *in addition*, the hard drive market is about to shrink quite a bit for lower-end machines.  There’s a big migration to SANs for big drives, though. Jan 12 12:01
schestowitz Netbooks — true. Well, companies left and right are falling though. Microsoft’s layoffs will probably be announced around Thursday Jan 12 12:02
schestowitz SANs? Why not SaaS? Jan 12 12:02
schestowitz EMC et al, Sun, etc. Jan 12 12:02
schestowitz Perople hardly need much space anymore. 1980: people have tapes; 1990s: people story media on their computers; 200x: Picasa, YouTube, GMail.. Jan 12 12:03
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kentma Indeed – I really meant all of that stuff.  I think that the way people behave with computers and networks generally has changed, permanently.  This is all related to the death of the deskop… Jan 12 12:19
schestowitz Omar87: did you see the comment in http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Follow_up… ? Jordan is developed, so the comment raises a brow Jan 12 12:21
schestowitz kentma: 3G too… I was told yesterday by a friend from the gym that he’s got iPlayer on his Nokia phone and it streams well. All the hard work is done at the back end. Jan 12 12:22
schestowitz P2P traffic control < http://www.physorg.com/news150543157.html > Jan 12 12:26
schestowitz Check out http://www.humans-enabled.com/2008/11/be… . That’s the comment he left on my submission at Digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Gaming_on_… Jan 12 12:30
schestowitz French to ban mobile sales to kiddies < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/340… > Jan 12 12:32
MinceR i was thinking of a boot-from-dvd approach to that Jan 12 12:33
kentma The trouble with the “health” argument is that there has never been any proof that there is any health risk associated with mobile phones… Jan 12 12:33
MinceR games could come with linux to run them in and you could boot into them as if you were using a console Jan 12 12:33
MinceR and more clueful users could install the game Jan 12 12:34
kentma Mincer:  I think the “livecd” approach for videos & games could work well, so long as there’s a good auto-detect capability for hardware. Jan 12 12:34
schestowitz kentma: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-999… Jan 12 12:34
MinceR we need nvidia and ati drivers in the kernel Jan 12 12:35
schestowitz Interesting. Like videoCDs that come with the player on the same CD.. Jan 12 12:35
schestowitz MinceR: the nvidiots won’t open up until their sales fall, which they already do. Jan 12 12:36
MinceR then they should open up soon :> Jan 12 12:36
kentma schestowitz: We keep seeing these kinds of articles, but so far, as with the power lines, there’s been nothing to make any kind of linkage between mobile handsets and health risks which cannot be as easily explained by normal statistical anomolies. Jan 12 12:37
kentma for example, look here:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/… Jan 12 12:38
kentma Where you’ll see the geographies with the highest rates of mobile phone penetration, namely EU & Japan, are *not* the ones with the highest cancer rates, that being US/Can. Jan 12 12:38
schestowitz What do you /want/ to believe? Jan 12 12:39
schestowitz People favour faith over logic, it’s a well known fact. In software advocacy too… Jan 12 12:39
kentma I just want to see some evidence which is convincing. Jan 12 12:39
schestowitz Do you know that the mobile phone industry manufactures studies too? Jan 12 12:39
schestowitz It’s like the PE industry Jan 12 12:39
kentma Yeah, that’s another aspect – so many vested interests… Jan 12 12:40
schestowitz They need to make available some contradictory evidence to turn fact into ‘debate’ Jan 12 12:40
schestowitz I’m sure they very well believe what they say, too. Just like Mac fans insist that they are Earth’s supreme for using a white laptop Jan 12 12:40
kentma It’s extremely difficult to get any really usable data on these things;  I suspect that diet and environment are far more important wrt cancer.  The best advice for avoiding cancer is to avoid US/Can! Jan 12 12:40
schestowitz Who would earn if there was damage? Jan 12 12:41
kentma After that, avoid western EU & Australia… :-) Jan 12 12:41
kentma Healthcare organisations… Jan 12 12:41
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schestowitz The global warming denialists turn to claiming that people are set to gain from low-energy equipment. Jan 12 12:41
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schestowitz I agree, there are dangers that are greater Jan 12 12:42
schestowitz Likewise, I must confess, I am more concerned about nuclear wars than about… say… the economy… but the latter can easily lead to the former. Jan 12 12:42
schestowitz A Nuclear strike was very close several decades ago… a matter of word of month prevented it; I hadn’t known this until recently. Jan 12 12:43
schestowitz Abundance of technology and improved health enabled the planet to facilitate a lot more people… more than the planet can contain (tripling in a few generations); moreover, their cost to the environment is greater because they drive cars, use plasma TVs and so on and so forth. Our curse is this greed that’s rather natural. It’s the same in African at a different scale. Jan 12 12:46
schestowitz *Africa Jan 12 12:46
schestowitz Corruption now from Wipro, one of Microsoft’s biggest allies?  http://www.pcworld.com/article/156892/w… Jan 12 12:46
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schestowitz Washington Post: The Problem is YOU, Not “We” < http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dea… > Jan 12 12:53
schestowitz “Imagine a major national newspaper that never saw an $8 trillion dollar housing bubble. Suppose its most often cited expert on the housing market was the chief economist of the National Association of Realtors, who also authored the 2006 bestseller : Why the Housing Boom Will Not Bust and How You Can Profit From It” Jan 12 12:56
schestowitz Tectonic appears to be dimming down… almost nothing in 1 month and 2 new posts after 20+ days of nothing. Same with Roughly Drafted and other good sites like Groklaw, Technocrat, Linux.com… Jan 12 13:00
kentma The huffington article is really about corruption, disclosure and more Jan 12 13:08
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schestowitz “Corruption” is  a road umbrella. Jan 12 13:11
schestowitz *broad Jan 12 13:11
kentma indeed. Jan 12 13:12
schestowitz Speaking of corruption and fake (paid-for) ‘studies’, Lessig has now turned his full attention to it. let me find the URL.. Jan 12 13:12
schestowitz Larry Lessig: From Copyright to Politics, from Stanford (Back) to Harvard < http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/12/12/lar… > Jan 12 13:13
schestowitz “At Harvard, he won’t be focusing exclusively on intellectual property — the topic that made him famous. He’ll, in the words of Harvard, launch a “five-year project examining what happens when public institutions depend on money from sources that may be affected by the work of those institutions Jan 12 13:13
schestowitz | — for example, medical research programs that receive funding from Jan 12 13:13
schestowitz | pharmaceutical companies whose drugs they review, or academics whose policy analyses are underwritten by special interest groups.” Jan 12 13:13
kentma Pretty much every government agency could be included in this list, at least as far as HMG is concerned. Jan 12 13:14
schestowitz Yes, but government are corrupt. We already know that. They treat citizens like an enemy (in their home territory) and treat them using similar methods like mind control and abatement of dissidence through peer pressure and other means. Jan 12 13:17
schestowitz (*governmentS) The question is, can academia for example do better? Jan 12 13:18
kentma quite!  There’s an interesting series which has run a couple of times on the History channel called “The Nazis, a warning from history” Jan 12 13:18
schestowitz Almost nothing is autonomous (not even universities) when funding comes from above for conformance, obedience, servitude, etc; very few universities challenge government decisions. Protests from some professors are nothing of an official stance for an entire intitute. Jan 12 13:19
kentma The Universities here do have a legal status of independence from government, however – established long long ago to protect them from this kind of corruption.  Sadly, the decision of government to reduce their direct funding has encouraged them to go directly into hoc with the private sector, which is just as bad! Jan 12 13:24
schestowitz Worse Jan 12 13:25
kentma in some ways, yes. Jan 12 13:25
schestowitz I’ve seen adverts being put in computing clusters to make revenue. Jan 12 13:25
kentma yuk!  that’s really not on. Jan 12 13:25
schestowitz I questions this decision, to no avail. Jan 12 13:25
schestowitz *questioned Jan 12 13:26
kentma At Guelph, where my sister was lecturing, they’ve handed over more or less all campus coffee shops to “tim hortons”, which is awful – they used to have a nice range of little shops, but no longer. Jan 12 13:26
schestowitz Exclusive? Jan 12 13:26
kentma With, I think, one exception somewhere, yes. Jan 12 13:26
schestowitz Have you seen the EDGI material? Jan 12 13:27
kentma No? Jan 12 13:27
schestowitz I’ve been posting a lot of it to BN recently. Jan 12 13:27
schestowitz It even made it from BN into the Indian press. Jan 12 13:27
kentma Wow! Jan 12 13:27
schestowitz It shows the degree of corruption at educational institutes and how Microsoft aids it. Jan 12 13:28
schestowitz Hold on. Jan 12 13:28
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/10… (follow links at the top too… mostly antitrust material) Jan 12 13:28
kentma ok Jan 12 13:30
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kentma Wow, US$1bn revenue from education – everyone might think that their fees and taxes are going to educate their children – how wrong they are! Jan 12 13:31
schestowitz That’s the kickbacks cycle. Hold on. Jan 12 13:32
schestowitz Short explanation: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/… Jan 12 13:32
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kentma you have a typo on this article, I presume it should say “… where the only feeder *is* the taxpayer… “ Jan 12 13:39
kentma Good little item, though :-) Jan 12 13:39
schestowitz How close are Autodesk and Microsoft? Jan 12 13:41
schestowitz I’m asking because Autodesk’s chief might take over Yahoo! Jan 12 13:41
schestowitz kentma: Thanks, I fixed the typo Jan 12 13:42
MinceR iirc they’re both in the cartel known as B$A Jan 12 13:44
MinceR (or is that a trust?) Jan 12 13:44
schestowitz Microsoft, Autodesk sign patent pact <  http://news.cnet.com/Microsoft,-Autode… > Jan 12 13:45
schestowitz The Bull S Association is a decent linkage Jan 12 13:46
kentma It’s interesting how these patent pools are being shared between certain major industries in order to create a cartel, hidden, as it were, in full view of the world. Jan 12 13:48
schestowitz “The World Bank has revealed the full list of companies banned for bidding for future contracts because of alleged malpractice.” http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/0… Microsoft probably has too many lackeys in too many places for an embargo to apply to it too (see MA and ODF for details) Jan 12 13:49
schestowitz kapipi: Pharmas are worse… taking hundreds of years of work done by women and others and claiming it their ownership… thing pertaining to /life/ Jan 12 13:50
schestowitz I wonder if this runsc Linux: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/0… Jan 12 13:51
schestowitz “As capitalism staggers through its first globalized economic crisis, the costs won’t be measured only in dollars and cents. [...] Among the possible outcomes: instability in Pakistan, a more aggressive if economically stricken Iran, a collapsing Somalia, civil disorder in copper-dependent Zambia, a strengthened, drug-financed insurgency in Colombia and a more warlike North Korea.” http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p… Jan 12 13:55
schestowitz sid=aNufFjNjv01k&refer=home Jan 12 13:55
schestowitz http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20… Jan 12 13:55
schestowitz “On Nov. 25, Pakistan clinched a $7.6 billion International Monetary Fund bailout to avert a debt default amid ebbing growth and an inflation rate of 25 percent in November that is ruining the livelihoods of its poor.” Look a the EDGI antitrust material. Microsoft dared to use IMF (!!!!!!) to assist its dumpage against Linux , IIRC. Using public fund to conduct corruption… Jan 12 13:57
schestowitz New OLPC: http://br-linux.org/2009/passaralho-no-… Jan 12 13:58
schestowitz Red Hat puts in charge a man from the criminal organisation known as Intel: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/… Jan 12 13:59
schestowitz “Red Hat recently reported a 22% increase in revenues for its fiscal third-quarter, which ended in November. Compared to the prior quarter, total revenues increased 1% and subscription revenues remained flat.” http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google… Jan 12 14:00
kentma Red Hat will do well, I think.  Presumably, seniors are escaping Intel before the significance of the growth of mobility dawns on the wider market…  ARM look well placed! Jan 12 14:06
schestowitz What ever happened to ECT? This morning the had another mishmash of blog comments as ‘article’ < http://www.linuxinsider.com/rss… > and an article from Microsoft mouthpiece Rob Enderle. Maybe it’s time to put this site in Thunderbird’s wastebasket. Jan 12 14:08
schestowitz Intel focuses a lot on MIDs now… Moblin. Jan 12 14:08
schestowitz Back in 2001 (I saw antitrust memos), Microsoft spoke about the rise of mobile devices and how Microsoft must evolve. Palm’s platform looks nice and it’s probably a sign of some things to come. It also comes with t keyboard, though smaller than the N810′s. Jan 12 14:10
kentma Withdrawal of the WiMax version of N810 is interesting, though.  It would appear that WiMax is not going to be, well, popular, anyway. Jan 12 14:10
schestowitz Twitter fell to a dictionary attack because the site allowed unlimited failed login attempts < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/20… > Jan 12 14:10
schestowitz Isn’t Wimax plagues by patents which made it undesirable for many to implement? Which triple-E standard was Wimax? Jan 12 14:11
schestowitz IEEE802xx? Jan 12 14:11
kentma I don’t recall, to be honest, but riddling any “standard” with patents is a grave error. Jan 12 14:12
kentma You only have to look at the amazing success of ITU standards *before* patents were allowed, and the look at what’s happened since. Jan 12 14:12
schestowitz Movie-Plot Threat: Terrorists Using Insects < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv… > Jan 12 14:12
kentma Hmm, bioware for biowars. Jan 12 14:12
schestowitz WiMax, 802.11n Renew Patent Debate  http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/columns/a… Jan 12 14:13
schestowitz I read this one before: http://techdirt.com/articles/2008060… (The Meaningless WiMax Patent Pool) Jan 12 14:14
schestowitz Jan 12 14:14
schestowitz So, don’t read too much into the fact that a bunch of companies in the WiMax space have agreed to put together a patent pool under the amusingly inaccurately named “Open Patent Alliance.” The companies involved, Cisco, Intel, Samsung, Sprint, Alcatel-Lucent, and Clearwire are all betting big on WiMax deployments, so they know it’s in their best interest to get the licensing out of the way” Jan 12 14:14
schestowitz “Open patent”… there goes Orwell changing sides… Jan 12 14:14
trmanco LOL -> http://jn.sapo.pt/paginainicial/policia/inte… Jan 12 14:15
schestowitz Who is PJ? Jan 12 14:15
schestowitz http://translate.google.com/translat… ” The Office of Information Technologies admitted in court this Thursday that a “new virus” broke the system of PJ” Jan 12 14:16
trmanco some virus “attacked” some networks here in Portugal Jan 12 14:16
schestowitz Aha!! So that’s why Groklaw took a break Jan 12 14:16
schestowitz Groklaw is run by Portugal?? Jan 12 14:16
trmanco LOL Jan 12 14:17
trmanco not really Jan 12 14:17
trmanco I wish Jan 12 14:17
schestowitz They cite PJ. Jan 12 14:17
schestowitz Cool Jan 12 14:17
schestowitz “The evidence, the source noted PJ, was the attack on the Breeze and PT.” Jan 12 14:17
trmanco PJ is some kind of police justice force Jan 12 14:17
schestowitz I know. Jan 12 14:17
schestowitz She is. Jan 12 14:17
trmanco “Policia Judiciária” Jan 12 14:17
trmanco :-P Jan 12 14:18
schestowitz They can’t publish Comes stuff. Jan 12 14:18
schestowitz I got mail about it this morning.. Jan 12 14:18
trmanco why not? Jan 12 14:18
trmanco it is interesting… that is the kind of stuff that should live up in the surface Jan 12 14:19
schestowitz “…a longstanding commitment to PJ to work on Groklaw’s Comes vs. Microsoft page ( http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/in… ), and in fact a year or so ago [...]  short list of GL volunteers who wanted to aid [...] However PJ has not wanted to prioritize that. She has stated previously that she doesn’t like widely publicizing anyone’s internal e-mails unless there is a compelling statement to reveal.” Jan 12 14:19
schestowitz BN doesn’t care about that nonsense. Jan 12 14:19
schestowitz I have some good posts coming. Jan 12 14:19
trmanco :) Jan 12 14:20
schestowitz “[...] these exhibits need to be properly indexed [...]  index in several passes: 1) date (year first then month+date; obviously within past 5 years remains interesting); 2) category: e-mail (w/wo attachments), memo, letter, presentation; 3) subjects tags e.g. EDGI, Real, Intel; 4) persons.” Jan 12 14:20
schestowitz There is  a list somewhere with the MS-Mail/Outlook aliases e.g.: billg=Bill Gates; steveb=Steve Balmer; bradsi=Brad Silverberg; bobmu=Bob Muglia; paulma=Paul Maritz Jan 12 14:21
schestowitz Other ideas… Jan 12 14:21
schestowitz “5) cross-index to similar exhibits: in some cases several exhibits differ only in the responses to an original e-mail” Jan 12 14:21
schestowitz “6) cross-index to other publicy available exhibits e.g. http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f1900/1987.htm . Remember many of these exhibits were sourced from the DOJ antitrust investigations; many of the Comes Real exhibits sourced from the DOJ later found their way from the DOJ into the EU case, but were withdrawn after Real settled with MS.” Jan 12 14:21
schestowitz “7) full text, prioritized as per the above.” Jan 12 14:22
schestowitz There is concern that grouch’s edge-op.org mirror may vanish but there are at least two more and I store all the docs (PDFs) in BN now. grouch very thoughtfully publishes his original wget log which proves that his mirror is accurate. There is concern that MS or others might leak faked exhibits, which could cause all kinds of problems. Jan 12 14:22
schestowitz Another reader says: “Windows royalty for schools projects… There are to many badly scanned docs for me to do, why not put out a call (privately, locally or on a forum not mentioning BN, just an indexing project) for volunteers to produce a cross-referenced Wiki.” Jan 12 14:23
schestowitz “I have notice something peculiar about the docs, blurred text and odd spelling mistakes. It’s as if they printed out the files, OCRd them and then saved as PDFs, making them next to useless for research purposes, and then give them all out of sequence PXxxxx numbers.” Jan 12 14:23
schestowitz Re: EDGI: “”An interesting quote from billg on Linux in India .. :) Notice the date, now when was it he discovered he wanted to help India improve it’s IT, before or after he discovered them using Linux?” Jan 12 14:24
schestowitz “As always, it’s difficult to decode the thoughts of the supreme one, but it appears he wants to ‘give’ away Windows and/or collect from the OEMs even if they don’t use Windows, do use Linux??? He uses the same phraseology as fuddie, think they are one and the same?” Jan 12 14:24
schestowitz Hehe. “Stallman’s concepts like copyleft and the various open source software licenses formed the foundation for what has become what some see as the dominant philosophy behind software creation.”  http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh0112… Jan 12 14:31
schestowitz The link on ” open source software licenses” is to the FSF _free software_ licences. What an insult. Jan 12 14:32
trmanco I think microsoft just screwed “us” up with it stupid IM changes Jan 12 14:32
trmanco its Jan 12 14:32
trmanco today is monday and I can’t login to my msn im account Jan 12 14:33
trmanco and I’m not the only one Jan 12 14:33
schestowitz GAIM? Jan 12 14:33
schestowitz Pidgin? Jan 12 14:33
trmanco http://pidgin.im/pipermail/support/… Jan 12 14:34
trmanco pidgin Jan 12 14:34
trmanco em empathy at least Jan 12 14:34
trmanco I is giving me an internal server error Jan 12 14:34
trmanco it* Jan 12 14:34
trmanco (14:32:06) soap: current HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error Jan 12 14:34
trmanco Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:32:06 GMT Jan 12 14:34
trmanco Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 Jan 12 14:34
trmanco .NET crap :| Jan 12 14:35
schestowitz Does it affect Micros~1 users? Jan 12 14:35
trmanco now I can’t contact my freinds Jan 12 14:35
trmanco schestowitz, I don’t think so Jan 12 14:35
MinceR time to teach them about jabber and xmpp Jan 12 14:35
kentma You need to get them onto xmpp/google. Jan 12 14:35
schestowitz Let’s find out Jan 12 14:35
trmanco I can’t confirm this with anybody Jan 12 14:35
MinceR or psyc Jan 12 14:35
MinceR i’ve heard pidgin problems Jan 12 14:35
trmanco kentma, I try Jan 12 14:35
MinceR 112714 <+_anon_> official msn client works, meebo works… pidgin doesnt work, and they call it “internal msn error” (the other clients work because Jan 12 14:35
trmanco MinceR, it is not only pidgin Jan 12 14:35
MinceR                  they can switch back to the older, working protocol… msnp14 doesn’t work, and pidgin can’t switch back to the older protocol… Jan 12 14:35
trmanco it seems today empathy has that problem too Jan 12 14:36
MinceR i use bitlbee and it hasn’t broken yet, but it might break once i have to relogin Jan 12 14:36
schestowitz *LOL* “internal msn error Jan 12 14:36
schestowitz Is that new? Jan 12 14:36
trmanco pidgin now uses msnp15 Jan 12 14:36
MinceR bitlbee uses old gaim code (back then it was called gaim :> ) Jan 12 14:38
MinceR afaik Jan 12 14:38
trmanco I already asked some windows users Jan 12 14:38
trmanco they can login Jan 12 14:38
trmanco but somebody with empathy can login too Jan 12 14:39
trmanco maybe it is using an old version of MSN’s crappy protocol Jan 12 14:39
trmanco “Installing msn-pecan and changing to the WLM protocol worked for me too – been off MSN through Pidgin for most of today in XP and Ubuntu Intrepid. Thanks for the workaround!” Jan 12 14:44
schestowitz I was using amsn some years ago, but no more IM for me, thankfully… Jan 12 14:48
MinceR i’m getting tired of IM, too Jan 12 14:49
MinceR icq was drowned in spam and aol did nothing about it Jan 12 14:49
MinceR m$n is, well, m$ Jan 12 14:49
schestowitz Spam in iCQ? Jan 12 14:49
MinceR and as for jabber, i haven’t seen any reliable servers yet Jan 12 14:49
schestowitz I used amsn because an ex gf used it Jan 12 14:49
MinceR yes, they keep sending adding requests with the spam as text on icq Jan 12 14:49
schestowitz I have IMs Jan 12 14:49
schestowitz MinceR: so it’s kind of like yesterday’s facebook ;-) Jan 12 14:50
MinceR i get spam on m$n too, but only as messages from a contact and i’ve blocked him for it already Jan 12 14:50
schestowitz “You’ve just been invited to cause” Jan 12 14:50
schestowitz Translation: someone wants you to click a button Jan 12 14:50
schestowitz “Someone wants to add you to his ‘friends’ “Porfolio” in $Site_X” Jan 12 14:51
schestowitz Translation: time to create another news account in another Web 2 Oh! site… which will spam you until you unsubscribe Jan 12 14:51
schestowitz Does intel have temps? “HAVING HANDED ABOUT 20,000 employees their pink slips back in 2006, Intel reckons it won’t need to make any serious workforce cuts now, despite the current economic crisis.” http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/346/1050… Jan 12 14:55
kentma Perhaps it’s ready for the slowdown? Jan 12 14:56
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schestowitz I doubt it, sort of Jan 12 15:10
schestowitz Otellini spoke about his fears for 2009 in November. I can’t recall the specifics. Also, one analyst firm predicated Intel layoffs. I posted this in IRC at the time. Jan 12 15:11
kentma I don’t think anyone has any real idea how long this will go on for.  My economist consultant friend thinks maybe a year or so… Jan 12 15:12
trmanco I can confirm that msn thing Jan 12 15:15
schestowitz A year seems optimistic compared to most. Jan 12 15:15
trmanco people who use Windows with WLM bloat can login Jan 12 15:15
schestowitz What would the US do about debt and sagging market caps? Jan 12 15:15
trmanco people who use pidgin/adium won’t work Jan 12 15:15
schestowitz Are there links I can use? Jan 12 15:15
schestowitz Some quick post like “Microsoft Inter-Nope” Jan 12 15:16
schestowitz A mailing list msg that says something like “it works in Windows, but Linux is blocked out of MSN would do” Jan 12 15:16
trmanco I’ll look Jan 12 15:17
trmanco schestowitz, 1 -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6… Jan 12 15:18
MinceR i’ve heard amsn still works Jan 12 15:19
trmanco http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p… Jan 12 15:20
trmanco yes it does Jan 12 15:20
trmanco I think it doesn’t work on purple based IM’s Jan 12 15:20
trmanco I think if you disable msnp15 it will work Jan 12 15:21
trmanco Adium related -> http://forums.mactalk.com.au/13/65221-m… Jan 12 15:22
twitter Good morning.  No spam on my IM here.  Use Pidgin with accounts on AOL, M$N, Google and various IRC. Jan 12 15:29
trmanco twitter, can you login? Jan 12 15:29
twitter I’ve seen messaging problems with M$N before, mostly video, sometimes text. Jan 12 15:29
trmanco msn protocol Jan 12 15:29
twitter I’m logged in but have been for a few days. Jan 12 15:29
trmanco oh ok Jan 12 15:29
trmanco don’t log out then :-P Jan 12 15:30
twitter Service seems to work. Jan 12 15:30
trmanco doesn’t work here Jan 12 15:31
twitter Lenny’s got Pidgin 2.4.3 Jan 12 15:32
trmanco oh Jan 12 15:32
trmanco it probobly uses an old protocol Jan 12 15:32
trmanco 2.5.2 uses msnp15 Jan 12 15:32
trmanco I think pidgin 2.4.3 uses msnp14 or something like that Jan 12 15:33
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/12/… Jan 12 15:33
schestowitz I still need to clean it up a bit Jan 12 15:33
trmanco include this link too -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.p… Jan 12 15:35
trmanco it is not just in linux Jan 12 15:36
trmanco the other platforms are affected too Jan 12 15:36
twitter Ah, M$ innovation.  While Google’s moving with Jabber, M$ is breaking their IM. Jan 12 15:37
trmanco lol Jan 12 15:38
trmanco jabber has never been offline for me Jan 12 15:38
schestowitz jabber=cisco Jan 12 15:40
twitter oh.  Do they yank it around or is it community developed? Jan 12 15:41
MinceR hm? Jan 12 15:41
twitter What I wonder is, if jabber is more like ODF than it’s like M$N. Jan 12 15:44
kentma http://www.tigase.org/ Jan 12 15:45
twitter Google’s tech news is spammed with stuff about Detroit auto makers.  How did that happen? Jan 12 15:47
kentma I think you need to separate the servers, the clients, and the protocols in use in order to really answer your “odf” question. Jan 12 15:47
schestowitz As it happens, some people have briefly inspected over 2000 of the Comes exhibits and have indexed the most “interesting” ones on a paper list. We may have a couple more tagged EDGI which are posting. Jan 12 15:47
twitter Got link to the list? Jan 12 15:47
schestowitz Among the exhibits are: * the minutes of an Allchin field meeting with partners which may have been the germination of the “get the facts” marketing initiative; A multipage Excel table of industry standards, showing Microsoft’s status in influencing them Jan 12 15:48
schestowitz twitter: not yet Jan 12 15:48
schestowitz We also have the infamous 1997 Gates “security as a lockin” message (PX06105) which I don’t think we have already… can you find it? Jan 12 15:48
schestowitz Further nominations for this august list: Jan 12 15:50
schestowitz Bill Gates: “Security as a lock in” Jan 12 15:50
schestowitz edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org /011607/6000/PX06105.pdf Jan 12 15:50
schestowitz J. Allchin on Apple: “We were smoked”, “We are being clocked” Jan 12 15:50
schestowitz edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/ 011607/7000/PX07219.pdf Jan 12 15:50
schestowitz edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/ 011607/7000/PX07255.pdf Jan 12 15:50
schestowitz How about FUD as an official business tactic in 1990, to combat DR-DOS? Jan 12 15:50
schestowitz edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/ 011607/0000/PX00425.pdf Jan 12 15:50
schestowitz Or FUD as an official tactic in 2002, to sell in developing countries? (page 16) Jan 12 15:50
schestowitz http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercas… Jan 12 15:50
twitter Wow.  By “work better than other OS” they mean “make other work poorly with us” Jan 12 15:54
kentma indeed, but then, how else could this be done? Jan 12 15:56
twitter Well, they could have made their protocols better than others. Jan 12 15:56
kentma the protocols are not the issue, as they are transport between nodes. Jan 12 15:57
kentma The issue is to make some nodes work less well than others, but only some, so the protocols have to remain the same. Jan 12 15:57
schestowitz I’m putting into text an EDGI presentation right now. Jan 12 15:58
twitter In that case they could have simply made their code better. Jan 12 15:58
kentma Particularly as reverse engineering is always a possibility (eg., samba);  hence the DMCA, which was all about trying to use protocols for illegal market manipulation, except getting copyright law to support it… Jan 12 15:58
schestowitz This is smoking gun as “fire fire pants on fire” Jan 12 15:58
schestowitz Or liar liar Jan 12 15:58
kentma twitter: indeed they could have, but DRDOS was way ahead of anything Microsoft had at that time. Jan 12 15:58
kentma Like several years ahead! Jan 12 15:59
schestowitz We clock many readers in BN these days, so let’s tell the story about how the criminal company came about Jan 12 15:59
schestowitz At the pace of 1 a day it would take 10 years to do 3000 docs Jan 12 15:59
kentma Indeed… Jan 12 16:00
kentma worse if you allow time off for good behaviour… Jan 12 16:00
twitter Clearly related topics should be done at the same time and collected.  DRDOS and “security” above are both sabotage. Jan 12 16:00
twitter there’s sure to be other explicit sabotage memos Jan 12 16:01
twitter bbl Jan 12 16:01
schestowitz twitter: I do EDGI first Jan 12 16:02
schestowitz Some girl from Arizona is helping me with one on Intel Jan 12 16:02
schestowitz She volunteered to proofread Jan 12 16:02
kentma cool Jan 12 16:03
schestowitz Doug is helping also. Jan 12 16:06
kentma He’s done some excellent work on slated, too. Jan 12 16:08
schestowitz Did he? I didn’t know. OCR? Jan 12 16:11
schestowitz Funny how the Munckins at COLA try to keep people stupid and divided, so as not to allow people to research for answers but only to consume them Jan 12 16:13
schestowitz ROTFLMAO “Where did IDC get the data? IDC interviewed 100 customers over the phone who consider themselves late adopters (i.e. “ Jan 12 16:24
schestowitz That’s from Microsoft’s antitrust doc… manufacturing anti-Linux dirt Jan 12 16:24
schestowitz I’ll post it soon (25 slides need restoring, as HTML) Jan 12 16:24
ushimitsudoki ZDNet asia picks up on Meek’s FUD: http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/… Jan 12 16:30
ushimitsudoki He seems to be stepping up his attacks against Sun Jan 12 16:30
schestowitz This one is from the Sun case BTW Jan 12 16:36
schestowitz The EDGI one. Jan 12 16:36
schestowitz MS-CC-Sun 000000071052 Jan 12 16:36
schestowitz They fight StarOffice by dumping too Jan 12 16:36
schestowitz Who is “Eileen Yu”? Jan 12 16:37
schestowitz In years I’ve never seen her publish anything that I can recall, so it’s hard to make judgment Jan 12 16:37
schestowitz They are picking Meeks’ FUD from September again… I still wonder how it get re-pushed into FP of ./ and Digg despite being old news Jan 12 16:38
ushimitsudoki Some if it is from his old blog entry, but some is from an “email interview” Jan 12 16:38
schestowitz Let’s not feed that Zee Dee Net thing. Jan 12 16:42
schestowitz It’s old BS, new insults Jan 12 16:42
schestowitz Illness.. Horse… Jan 12 16:42
ushimitsudoki just filing it away … I’m thinking Meeks is going to be preaching this anti-Sun message more in the future Jan 12 16:44
schestowitz Meeks or Novell? Jan 12 16:45
schestowitz Be aware he pretends that it’s just “his personal opinion” Jan 12 16:46
ushimitsudoki Meeks acting on behalf of Novell I suspect … Jan 12 16:46
schestowitz No, no, “he’s just a hacker” ;-) Jan 12 16:53
schestowitz “Rob Enderle is just an analyst” Jan 12 16:53
schestowitz Sam Ramji is just a FOSS lad Jan 12 16:53
kentma nowt wrong wi’ that :-) Jan 12 16:54
PetoKraus oh yeah Jan 12 16:54
PetoKraus another letter to virgin Jan 12 16:54
PetoKraus http://pk.gjhak.sk/storage/vir… Jan 12 16:54
PetoKraus can you proof read for me, pl0x? and tell me what you think? Jan 12 16:55
PetoKraus and yes, I am actually gonna send that… Jan 12 16:55
schestowitz “Customer Concerns”? Jan 12 17:01
schestowitz “Sorry” (capitalised) Jan 12 17:01
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schestowitz I like this letter Jan 12 17:02
PeterKraus did i miss anything ? Jan 12 17:02
PeterKraus the tubes fell again obviously…. this time it was forced, though, we needed to restart the router Jan 12 17:03
schestowitz I’ll post this in news picks :-) Jan 12 17:03
schestowitz Signs, Concernd customer. :-) Jan 12 17:04
PeterKraus i’ll do an article Jan 12 17:04
PeterKraus with old letter, their reply and this one Jan 12 17:04
schestowitz *Signed, concerned customer Jan 12 17:04
PeterKraus later when I get back from football match Jan 12 17:04
PeterKraus trolling for 50p is always fun Jan 12 17:05
PeterKraus today I sent a letter to Library of Congress, Copyright Office, D.C., for 56p Jan 12 17:06
schestowitz Got a copy? Jan 12 17:06
PeterKraus that’s regarding one song I use in a short video I got. I thought I might just ask for a license Jan 12 17:07
PeterKraus sure Jan 12 17:07
PeterKraus though I guess I’ll wait for reply on that one until I disclose it. It’s not funny so far Jan 12 17:07
PeterKraus :) Jan 12 17:07
PeterKraus though, this article was helpful when writing the thing: http://www.cleverjoe.com/articles/musi… Jan 12 17:08
PeterKraus lol: What the hell has XKCD become… Slashdot digest? Jan 12 17:08
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schestowitz kentma: I found out the golden egg about MOU Jan 12 17:20
schestowitz Microsoft explains what MOUs are for, so you get it right from the horse’s mouth now. Jan 12 17:20
schestowitz Getting teachers and kids ‘certified’ for MS and not choosing Linux. Jan 12 17:20
schestowitz OK done. Jan 12 17:29
schestowitz Now I’ll explain these 25 slides. Wow. This is nuclear stuff. Jan 12 17:29
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-christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, In about 5 minutes time we’ll be taking down one of our client servers for maintenance. The downtime window is one hour but it should take considerably less time. Affected users ~1k. Thank you for flying freenode and have a nice evening! Jan 12 17:54
schestowitz Bill Gates: “Where Are We on This Jihad?” (Against Linux at Intel): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/12… Jan 12 17:56
-christel-[Global Notice] Hi again. We’ve moved leguin to new hardware, it’s up and running and linked to the network again. That concludes today’s scheduled maintenance and with some luck it’s plain sailing from here, until Friday when we move hubbard to a new switch! Big thanks to the University of Umeå. Sorry for the downtime and have a continued nice evening. Jan 12 18:13
schestowitz Intelsoft: Intel unveils tablet Classmate PC design < http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595… > Jan 12 18:24
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schestowitz Hmm… http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_b… Jan 12 18:26
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