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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 6th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 10:32 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz SCO peddlers in Linux Today?? http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story… Feb 06 00:29
schestowitz Another company has just sold Linux out to Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/05/bo… (almost no-one covered this) Feb 06 00:34
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schestowitz :-( http://mrzonbu.wordpress.com/2009/02/… Feb 06 00:59
schestowitz “Without quesiton, they are struggling.  The market has changed dramatically since they launched and we started tracking them. “ Feb 06 00:59
schestowitz http://davestechsupport.com/blog/2009/02/04… Feb 06 01:01
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schestowitz Welcome to the last issue of Free Software Magazine < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/welc… > Feb 06 01:07
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NotZed morning Feb 06 02:12
schestowitz Hey, morning(ish) Feb 06 02:13
schestowitz It’s 2 here Feb 06 02:13
NotZed just before 1pm here, so it’s not so morning here.  its also 40 and headed for 43, nice and toasty Feb 06 02:14
schestowitz Yes, I heard Feb 06 02:15
schestowitz A mate of of mine knew nothing about when I spoke to him about it in the afternoon. The realisation is that climate change is felt in places. Feb 06 02:15
schestowitz We had snow (unusual amounts) Feb 06 02:15
NotZed i dunno if its climate change – we get heatwaves every year, even if this is a hot one.  the 90′s was just unusually cool.  the dryness is extreme though – we had 1mm last month, average is 20mm. Feb 06 02:17
NotZed still, always a laugh reading the northerners claiming things are getting cold not hot :) Feb 06 02:18
schestowitz I think turbulence is a sign, regardless of the direction of wings Feb 06 02:18
schestowitz Melting of icebergs if fact Feb 06 02:19
NotZed its scary reading comments on controversial news.  so many misinformed out there. Feb 06 02:19
NotZed surely if novell have a lot of people to sack they’ll announce it when ready – the market always loves layoffs.  although they have shrunk a lot, they were about 6K when i went Feb 06 02:20
schestowitz …They might announce around financial result… Feb 06 02:27
schestowitz End of this month IIRC.. maybe 22nd Feb 06 02:27
schestowitz NotZed: you have experience with Novell? Feb 06 02:28
NotZed i worked on evolution for just shy of 6 years Feb 06 02:30
schestowitz Novell fired about 20% under Messman, IIRC. Feb 06 02:33
NotZed iirc 10% when i went, late 2005 Feb 06 02:33
schestowitz Sun is a real avalanche Feb 06 02:35
schestowitz They’ve just lost the core of MySQL, except Mikos Feb 06 02:35
NotZed us companies buying non-us ones is a bit of a risk. the us work culture is a bit funny. Feb 06 02:40
schestowitz Novell has EU workforce Feb 06 02:41
schestowitz But US-based companies are multinationals too Feb 06 02:41
NotZed well i was referring to sun.  but i bet novell’s eu operations have a us culture – the australian one does Feb 06 02:42
schestowitz Yes, MySQL had a bad experience in the place Mikos (?) called a “candy store” in Dec 07 Feb 06 02:43
NotZed `”It has been like walking around in a candy story,” Mickos said, after looking over Sun’s vast computing labs.’ Feb 06 02:45
NotZed i dunno, for a techie that sounds like a reasonably innocuous comment Feb 06 02:46
schestowitz The story become a kiosk Feb 06 02:47
schestowitz People corrected “story” to “store” Feb 06 02:47
schestowitz At least Kaj is still around… http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/ Feb 06 02:49
NotZed http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/02/05/m…  says he resigned when the company was bought, just hung around for technical help on a project he wasn’t leading anymore.  that he lasted this long is surprising in that case Feb 06 02:50
schestowitz Zach Urlocker too.. http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/ Feb 06 02:50
schestowitz David Arxmark (?) left too Feb 06 02:51
NotZed bloody hell its hot and dry out there.  the other side of the country is having big floods. Feb 06 02:56
NotZed i wonder how much money they all made off the deal.  make it hard to stick around if they made a lot Feb 06 02:57
schestowitz Which deal? Feb 06 03:01
NotZed being bought by sun? Feb 06 03:02
schestowitz I though you referred to the weather/Aussie govt. Feb 06 03:03
schestowitz NotZed: MySQL was bought for $100m Feb 06 03:03
schestowitz Oops Feb 06 03:03
schestowitz $1bil Feb 06 03:03
schestowitz Trolltech=$100mi Feb 06 03:03
NotZed yeah so if those guys made a big chunk personally, there wouldn’t be much incentive to hang around if things aren’t really peachy Feb 06 03:04
schestowitz Like Woz maybe. Feb 06 03:05
schestowitz Or Allen Feb 06 03:06
NotZed lucky bastards Feb 06 03:08
NotZed time to brave the heat.  ttyl Feb 06 03:38
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Guest40468 hello Feb 06 04:23
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balzac lart Feb 06 04:27
amarsh04 and HP still doesn’t put penguin stickers on their printer packaging schetowitz Feb 06 05:28
amarsh04 hi Guest40468 Feb 06 05:49
amarsh04 err balzac Feb 06 05:50
balzac hi amarsh04 Feb 06 05:52
balzac i’m just going to bed now Feb 06 05:52
balzac ttyl Feb 06 05:52
amarsh04 goodnight Feb 06 05:53
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amarsh04 this is amazing, the temperature was still 40.1 C at 8pm, and sunset is 8:19pm Feb 06 09:41
amarsh04 max was 43.9 C = 111 F Feb 06 09:42
schestowitz Hard to sleep without AC Feb 06 09:43
amarsh04 yes, now listening to a piece inspired by a work famous for “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here” Tchaikovsky Francesca da Rimini, Symphonic Fantasia after Dante, Op 32 Feb 06 09:46
schestowitz Take the computer to the fridge…. http://blog.lib.umn.edu/evans391/archite… Feb 06 09:47
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schestowitz Intel shuts Shanghai plant < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/05/intel_sh… > Feb 06 09:58
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*amarsh04 just submitted http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183407 Feb 06 10:06
amarsh04 I like features to be well documented and use the same terminology throughout Feb 06 10:07
schestowitz “Obey DRM” as an option is like “would you like salt in that icecream?” Feb 06 10:14
amarsh04 exactly Feb 06 10:35
amarsh04 considering that the document was a public discussion paper I was a bit surprised Feb 06 10:35
amarsh04 in my dad’s day one would churn together salt and ice to freeze icecream, not to eat with icecream Feb 06 10:36
schestowitz In both cases you can’t consume the goods (document, food) Feb 06 10:37
amarsh04 I wanted to copy from the document to query it with ACMA. I did get a reply, but might reply back, asking what they have done apart from publishing other parties’ submissions Feb 06 10:41
amarsh04 handling of emergency calls is reasonably important Feb 06 10:41
amarsh04 I used to get the FCC’s “The Billboard” – was quite informative about the US telephone system Feb 06 10:43
amarsh04 I was quite annoyed that the .au telecoms regulators also received the FCC Billboard but didn’t publish something like that for Australia Feb 06 10:44
amarsh04 it all struck me as information control rather than facilitating telecommunications Feb 06 10:45
schestowitz Maybe they are curious Feb 06 10:58
schestowitz Maybe they need to be informed. Feb 06 10:58
schestowitz Oh, here we go… more fraud exposed: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/0… (BlackBerry bosses settle share option row) Feb 06 10:59
amarsh04 I remember in the early to mid-90′s some trade shows were decidely sexist/exploitative… far more effective was the vendor providing free decent coffee Feb 06 11:05
amarsh04 weren’t Broadcom directors also a bit shadey? Feb 06 11:06
schestowitz Sexist? How so? Feb 06 11:10
schestowitz Broadcom was caught for fraud Feb 06 11:10
schestowitz http://uk.reuters.com/article/techno… http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?AC… Feb 06 11:11
amarsh04 having teenage girls dressed provocatively to peddle the vendor’s wares Feb 06 11:11
schestowitz They still do this Feb 06 11:11
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amarsh04 yes, but the user-group organised events, there are enough females in charge to discourage that kind of practice Feb 06 11:12
schestowitz Hm. is BN down? Feb 06 11:13
schestowitz BTW, I saw your comment in LinuxToday Feb 06 11:13
amarsh04 resolves but doesn’t load Feb 06 11:13
amarsh04 about darryl? Feb 06 11:13
schestowitz Yes Feb 06 11:14
schestowitz OK, it’s back Feb 06 11:14
schestowitz The whole server may have been rebotted because I stepped outside the account Feb 06 11:14
amarsh04 I posted somewhere linux.com? about trying out *recent* bootable/live media on new pc’s and reporting back what worked and what didn’t to the distros and kernel community Feb 06 11:15
amarsh04 ouch Feb 06 11:15
amarsh04 wordpress: error establishing a database connection Feb 06 11:15
schestowitz That;s OK Feb 06 11:15
schestowitz Give it a moment. Feb 06 11:15
amarsh04 reloaded now Feb 06 11:16
*schestowitz diagnoses Feb 06 11:16
amarsh04 emc reminds me of peoplesoft – something that a company ends up spending ever increasing amounts of money on Feb 06 11:16
schestowitz I don’t understand why this wasn’t promoted.. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Benchmarked_U… Feb 06 11:17
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schestowitz “Server Load  10.19 (4 cpus)” Feb 06 11:19
schestowitz I don’t know what’s happening then. Feb 06 11:19
oiaohm Because its not really a good benchmark. Feb 06 11:20
pranith hmm Feb 06 11:20
schestowitz ø per second: 90.96 Feb 06 11:20
oiaohm Running a cache yet schestowitz? Feb 06 11:21
schestowitz No, not yet Feb 06 11:21
schestowitz I need root to put Squid on it, I think. Feb 06 11:21
amarsh04 linuxtoday.com references the Ubuntu vs ms benchmark article Feb 06 11:22
oiaohm Mysql query cache is on? Feb 06 11:24
oiaohm http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1…  << good read about it schestowitz.  Some request times mysql cache helps a lot others it will kill you 12 ways from sunday. Feb 06 11:26
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oiaohm Major problem windows vs Linux benchmarks is are not many test that would be classed as valid. Feb 06 11:29
oiaohm Ubuntu installs can be speed up a lot.  The shocking one was the slow shutdown time of windows. Feb 06 11:29
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schestowitz oiaohm: I think it’s on Feb 06 11:41
oiaohm Needs to be checked if Word press is compadible with it. Feb 06 11:41
oiaohm If it not it will cause masive load spike outs when server is under load.  Really bad time to do it. Feb 06 11:42
oiaohm Now the annoying thing is if Word press is compadiblie with it the load is reduced masively by enabling it. Feb 06 11:43
schestowitz I think it’s enabled Feb 06 11:43
schestowitz “Query cache” Feb 06 11:43
schestowitz “Qcache_free_blocks  1,093   The number of free memory blocks in query cache.” Feb 06 11:44
schestowitz “Qcache_free_memory  23 M   The amount of free memory for query cache.” Feb 06 11:44
schestowitz .. Feb 06 11:44
oiaohm Yep enabled. Feb 06 11:44
schestowitz Whether the CMS makes good use of it I don’t know. Feb 06 11:44
schestowitz But it’s a DB level thing Feb 06 11:44
schestowitz Unless the query needs to invoke it specifically. Feb 06 11:44
oiaohm Difference here if php application is not compadible with it due to the sql commands it sends it costs you a extra 13 percent load. Feb 06 11:45
oiaohm If it compadbile it can cut load by 1/3 Feb 06 11:45
oiaohm So yes it must be set right for the php application you are using. Feb 06 11:45
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schestowitz http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/02… “The main reason for leaving was that I am not satisfied with the way the MySQL server has been developed, as can be seen on my previous blog post. In particular I would have like to see the server development to be moved to a true open development environment that would encourage outside participation and without any need of differentiation on the source code. Sun has bee Feb 06 13:12
schestowitz n considering opening up the server development, but the pace has been too slow.” Feb 06 13:12
schestowitz “..others are laying off too – Microsoft are and it acts as a barometer for the whole industry. Novell are notoriously coy on the number of folks they lay off, but a number of European offices were closed at the back end of last summer. I suppose if they were next to useless, no-one will miss them (the offices, I mean).” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/05/… Feb 06 13:28
oiaohm Funny enough some companies are putting on more staff. Feb 06 13:30
oiaohm Most of them because of cost cutting.   Redhat fears if this downturn last long enough companies might not have free money for support contracts until then there life is great. Feb 06 13:31
schestowitz They could hire in-house support Feb 06 13:34
schestowitz Bill Would Keep Bailout Recipients from Hiring H-1B Workers < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159025/bailo… > Feb 06 13:34
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schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/159036/wall_stre… < Wall Street Beat: Downturn Continues to Slam IT Bellwethers > Feb 06 13:35
schestowitz “Cisco said Wednesday that revenue for the quarter ended Jan. 24 declined 7.5 percent from the year-earlier period to US$9.1 billion, as earnings plunged 27 percent to $1.5 billion.” Feb 06 13:36
oiaohm_ http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoo…  << This reminds me of the bag of rice for 6 months. Feb 06 13:36
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oiaohm_ Yep Cisco is going ouch.  People are not upgrading major network interlinks either. Feb 06 13:38
schestowitz http://www.html4.com/mime/markup/h… Feb 06 13:38
oiaohm_ So hopefully the down turn is reducing numbers of people connected to internet. Feb 06 13:38
oiaohm_ Or we could have a little bit of a data crunch. Feb 06 13:38
schestowitz “Hopefully”? Feb 06 13:39
schestowitz Oh, ic. Feb 06 13:39
schestowitz OMG, watch his cap.. Feb 06 13:39
schestowitz It says “Razorfish” Feb 06 13:39
schestowitz That happens to be the name of a Microsoft subsidiary where Microsoft laid off employees last year (just a coincidence of course) Feb 06 13:40
oiaohm_ I have build a web site for food before. Feb 06 13:41
oiaohm_ Ok 12 3 course meals at a top resurant.   So not really that cheep per line of code. Feb 06 13:42
schestowitz “Will build ballstic rockets for food” Feb 06 13:42
schestowitz *ballistic Feb 06 13:42
oiaohm_ Hmm  wounder if anyone would. Feb 06 13:43
oiaohm_ It would be fun building a ballstic rocket Feb 06 13:43
schestowitz Columbine.. Feb 06 13:45
schestowitz Maybe something for redundant workforce to do. I still think the US is the greatest danger to world peace. Feb 06 13:45
schestowitz Obama can hopefully change the control of the country by imperialist-fascists. Feb 06 13:46
oiaohm_ I have done concret tank demolishions before using non convental explosives.   Boy does it save time if you have the charges to place. Feb 06 13:47
schestowitz http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_polit… “Warning over ‘surveillance state’ Lord Norton: “We are a world leader in surveillance” Electronic surveillance and collection of personal data are “pervasive” in British society and threaten to undermine democracy, peers have warned. “ Feb 06 13:47
oiaohm_ Those I did for free because they were threating to fall on where my car had to park. Feb 06 13:48
oiaohm_ Do you know the problem with over surveillance. Feb 06 13:49
amarsh04 schestowitz – report is at http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200809/… Feb 06 13:50
oiaohm_ Too much data you most likely cannot find the threats you are looking for. Feb 06 13:50
amarsh04 analysis at http://ubisurv.wordpress.com/2009/0… Feb 06 13:50
schestowitz Thanks. Feb 06 13:53
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amarsh04 courtesy of Electronic Frontiers Australia privacy mailing list http://www.efa.org.au/about/lists/ Feb 06 13:53
schestowitz It’s now confirmed that more Novell layoffs are coming. Feb 06 13:56
schestowitz amarsh04: they did Internet surveillance on me (they might still do this) Feb 06 13:56
amarsh04 after what happened to sjvn and his father (HP pretexting) it doesn’t surprise me Feb 06 13:57
schestowitz SJVN too? Feb 06 13:57
schestowitz I didn’t know he was involved. I knew about CNET staff. Feb 06 13:58
schestowitz Got link? Feb 06 13:58
amarsh04 or was it only his father? Feb 06 13:58
amarsh04 was in groklaw… let me check Feb 06 13:58
schestowitz Thanks. Feb 06 14:02
schestowitz I know about Stephen Shankland (?) and Dawn something… maybe also the guy who died. They got a  settlement, IIRC, then gave to charity. Maybe Florina was ousted for it….. Feb 06 14:02
amarsh04 sorry it was Stephen Shankland… list is at http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story… Feb 06 14:03
amarsh04 my memory did a short circuit and thought of the wrong names Feb 06 14:04
schestowitz Hehe. Feb 06 14:05
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/827… Feb 06 14:05
schestowitz “Brushes off”… hours later it turned out that Novell lied Feb 06 14:05
schestowitz amarsh04: I don’t know if SJVN’s dad is even alive Feb 06 14:06
schestowitz TBH, I don’t even know if it’s true that MOG phones PJ’s mother Feb 06 14:06
schestowitz “And here’s number 9 — Stephen Shankland is another victim of the KGB. Oops, I meant the HPB. That’s the Hewlett Packard Board. Or maybe we should call them the HPG, the HP Gang. Joke. Joke. I know, I know. It’s not HP or its board of directors or Ms. Dunn and her “internal group” — it’s the subcontractors. “ Feb 06 14:08
schestowitz Sounds like Microsoft and firms like W-E and Edelman. They bribe bloggers with laptops — Edelman in 2006 and W-E in 2009 (Vista7) Feb 06 14:08
amarsh04 from groklaw.net’s main page I clicked on the archives link – it gives the titles of all public articles Feb 06 14:10
schestowitz “Update: Marbux writes to me that Mr. Shankland might not need to wait. “ Feb 06 14:13
schestowitz Marbux…… :-S Feb 06 14:13
schestowitz She has him cited in many old articles Feb 06 14:13
schestowitz “09/09/06, 2006″ Feb 06 14:14
schestowitz U.S. job losses accelerate < http://www.reuters.com/article/ous… > Watch the chart Feb 06 14:15
schestowitz The criminals that Wikileaks exposed are calling it quits? Julius Baer confirms trading incident < http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/id… > Feb 06 14:16
schestowitz “Swiss bank Julius Baer (BAER.VX), confirmed on Friday it had suffered a “minor trading incident” last year as its shares slid sharply on news of an anonymous letter to Swiss authorities claiming that employees hid losses.” Feb 06 14:16
schestowitz How many people will not see their money again? Not even in the balance sheet? Feb 06 14:17
schestowitz “Julius Baer’s full-year net profit fell 25 percent to 852 million Swiss francs ($731 million) and weak equity markets led to a 32 percent fall in assets under management. A” Feb 06 14:17
schestowitz “The bank said that the fourth quarter was particularly hard for GAM as investors lost confidence in hedge funds in December with news of the alleged fraud involving U.S. businessman Bernard Madoff, even though GAM was not involved. “ Feb 06 14:17
oiaohm_ http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa/Is-…  << LOL Feb 06 14:23
oiaohm_ I guess you have not seen that one schestowitz where they present KDE 4 to people and tell them it Windows 7 and they accept it. Feb 06 14:23
schestowitz Brilliant! Feb 06 14:26
schestowitz I’ll put it in BN (embedment) Feb 06 14:27
oiaohm_ Good bit is that Windows 7 will be versing KDE 4 on windows in time. Feb 06 14:28
oiaohm_ Its australian prank nature. Feb 06 14:30
schestowitz I put it in BN Feb 06 14:34
oiaohm_ zdnet australia is worth watching from time to time just for the prank’s. Feb 06 14:37
schestowitz I prefer not to feed Zee Dee (it’s too Microsoft-centric.. Apple too to an extent) Feb 06 14:41
amarsh04 the person who wrote many of the linux columns for apcmag.com is an acquaintance Feb 06 14:43
amarsh04 Geoffrey Bennett, of windows refund cheque and segway clone fame Feb 06 14:43
schestowitz Not Ashton Mills? Feb 06 14:45
schestowitz He’s their main ‘Linux guy’ Feb 06 14:45
schestowitz http://apcmag.com/zfs_what_the_ultimate_file_sys… Feb 06 14:45
schestowitz Identity fraud to rise once new Government databases are set up < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/tec… > Feb 06 14:48
oiaohm_ Really Feb 06 14:48
amarsh04 Geoffrey Bennett was apcmag’s first linux columnist Feb 06 14:50
oiaohm_ Identity fraud should really reduce under a well setup system Feb 06 14:51
oiaohm_ Biggest advantage Identity fraud people are depending on is that they can swap a photo on a ID and no one can find out. Feb 06 14:52
oiaohm_ Database forces frauders to attack a central point. Feb 06 14:52
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twitter I hate flash. Feb 06 15:05
schestowitz Me too, can you make ogg from it? Feb 06 15:05
schestowitz I can extract ogg from YouTube and others, but this is not what I’m used to Feb 06 15:06
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twitter No, I can’t get the video at all. Feb 06 15:12
twitter I might be able to watch it if I use my Wife’s computer. Feb 06 15:14
schestowitz maybe it’s on YouTube too Feb 06 15:14
schestowitz Lenovo and NEC are leaving the market in the west.. http://www.pcworld.com/article/159064/report_ne… Feb 06 15:17
schestowitz Antarctic bulge could flood Washington DC < http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16545-a… > Feb 06 15:21
schestowitz ushimitsudoki1: Japan police to bring libel charges over blog posts < http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/ja… > Feb 06 15:23
ushimitsudoki1 schestowitz: damn that’s crazy, I’ll have to get my wife to check it out and give me the details Feb 06 15:25
schestowitz I think that the issue is people who issue death thread, not those making accusations Feb 06 15:26
schestowitz *threats Feb 06 15:26
ushimitsudoki1 could be – to be honest I’m not really up on Japanese libel laws (like I know there is a diff between US and UK, for example – but I don’t know how Japan’s are) Feb 06 15:26
schestowitz The UK is bad Feb 06 15:27
schestowitz You need to prove it wasn’t livel Feb 06 15:27
schestowitz *libel. Feb 06 15:27
ushimitsudoki1 Yeah UK is pretty out of control with the surveillance and libel laws and so on. Scary stuff there, at least to my limited understanding. Feb 06 15:28
schestowitz So the burden of proof is on the defendant, not the plaintiff, assuming it’s taken to court. This is apparently how many small magazines got shut down here, only to be replaced by conglomerates and their conformist propganda. Feb 06 15:28
schestowitz What the Web knows about you < http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do… > Feb 06 15:41
schestowitz http://blog.nethazard.net/facebook-term… “Maybe this is old news, but I was checking Facebook’s terms of use to see if something had changed since the last time I saw them. But everytime I read this, I keep getting surprised and annoyed.” Feb 06 15:43
schestowitz “By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose, commercial, a Feb 06 15:44
schestowitz dvertising..” Feb 06 15:44
schestowitz In mail: “MS is trying to repeat what it did do Borland and others, this time targeting NetBSD: http://gdamore.blogspot.com/2008/10/m… Sidekick may or may not have been a great product, but it doesn’t matter anymore since MS bought it and sidelined it.  Look at Foxpro for how long a good product can drag on in a pitiful existence.” Feb 06 15:49
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schestowitz The MSBBC is advertising Microsoft again (using taxpayers’ money): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technolo… Feb 06 15:53
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schestowitz Oh no. Feb 06 16:27
schestowitz Marten Mickos is leaving Sun amid reorg < http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/02… > Feb 06 16:27
schestowitz Freudian slip…” My intention was to finnish Maria 2.0″ http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/02/ti… Feb 06 16:32
balzac Marten is from Mysql? Feb 06 16:59
balzac Sun Microsystems needs to change their corporate culture. Feb 06 17:01
balzac I don’t like how the ask me to register with Sun in order to download mysql Feb 06 17:01
schestowitz Really? Feb 06 17:02
schestowitz I never tried Feb 06 17:02
balzac Open Solaris is pretty lame Feb 06 17:02
balzac just what the FOSS world needed, a new and not-special license – the CDDL Feb 06 17:03
*schestowitz on phone Feb 06 17:03
balzac Yeah, they just don’t see how it takes the immediacy and the joy out of free software when you’re asked to create an account for a friggin download. Feb 06 17:03
balzac What they’ve done is they’ve encumbered software users with this registration and sign-in process. Feb 06 17:06
schestowitz Yes, I hate that Feb 06 17:08
schestowitz What do they plan to do with it? Feb 06 17:08
schestowitz MS is pissing me off today Feb 06 17:10
schestowitz Do me a favour and see if you can find typo in this thing I posted 20 secs ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/mi… Feb 06 17:10
balzac I don’t see any typos popping out at me Feb 06 17:30
balzac That’s an interesting story Feb 06 17:31
schestowitz Thanks. Feb 06 17:31
schestowitz I try to keep these short Feb 06 17:32
balzac MS might as well seize onto BSD Feb 06 17:32
balzac hey, it’s not GNU and it’s not Linux Feb 06 17:32
balzac windows is trash Feb 06 17:32
balzac what’s his name from BSD is always attacking RMS Feb 06 17:33
balzac seems like a natural fit Feb 06 17:33
balzac but Microsoft is so damned big and expensive, how can they navigate between Scylla and Charybdis? Feb 06 17:34
balzac The’re headed for disaster in any case. They’ll be having to restructure and accept the loss of supremecy. Feb 06 17:35
balzac but who will fill the void of market share? Feb 06 17:35
schestowitz They tried Singularity Feb 06 17:35
schestowitz But nobody contributes Feb 06 17:35
schestowitz They do it at their own expense Feb 06 17:36
schestowitz No-one to exploit because people learned not to help the criminal entities Feb 06 17:36
balzac Roy, seems like the real problem is finding a company smart enough to take the slack that M$ gives up. Feb 06 17:36
schestowitz Novell learned a similar lesson.. I think they lost a lot of the community Feb 06 17:36
balzac Is there anyone who is ready to take the market share M$ is losing? Feb 06 17:36
schestowitz balzac: no, MS will just have to drop losing products Feb 06 17:36
schestowitz They have many of those Feb 06 17:37
schestowitz They’ll be forced to refocus on key products that actually turn profit Feb 06 17:37
schestowitz Office suite space, however, is becoming like a generic drugs space Feb 06 17:37
schestowitz OOXML is serving as decommoditisation tool. Feb 06 17:37
balzac right, but how and when are we going to see the catastrophic collapse of M$ that we’ve been waiting so many years for? Feb 06 17:37
schestowitz balzac: “Read to take”? Microsoft already loses it Feb 06 17:38
balzac who is getting the market share? Feb 06 17:38
schestowitz Don’t tell me you go by Net Applications junk and other Fisher Price ‘studies’ Feb 06 17:38
schestowitz The price of Windows and Windows revenues have been falling for quite some time now. Feb 06 17:38
schestowitz When they give Windows for $0 and Linux survives and still thrives, then it’s “Oh boy!” to Microsoft Feb 06 17:39
schestowitz balzac: which market share? Feb 06 17:39
balzac home users operating systems – who is going to take what M$ loses, Apple and Ubuntu? Feb 06 17:39
schestowitz Look at MSFT share price. Down by HALF Feb 06 17:39
balzac Apple and Canonical, I should say. Feb 06 17:39
schestowitz Dow Jones is not down by Half… nor is NASDAQ, IIRC Feb 06 17:39
schestowitz Canonical where? Feb 06 17:40
schestowitz Desktop? Feb 06 17:40
schestowitz Subnotebooks? Feb 06 17:40
schestowitz Maemo gains also Feb 06 17:40
balzac some company needs to emerge as the new power for personal computer operating systems Feb 06 17:40
schestowitz It runs Koffice now. Feb 06 17:40
schestowitz balzac: that’s like promoting mainframe domination in the 80s Feb 06 17:40
balzac everywhere M$ is currently serving consumers and office staff Feb 06 17:40
schestowitz It’s a changed battle Feb 06 17:40
schestowitz Microsoft is desparate for devices Feb 06 17:40
schestowitz hance they bought Danger Feb 06 17:41
schestowitz They also need to exist in clouds Feb 06 17:41
schestowitz That’s where Red Hat is huge Feb 06 17:41
balzac yeah, but the market wants and perhaps even demands some degree of shared experience Feb 06 17:41
schestowitz So they corrupt the virtualisation space Feb 06 17:41
balzac Roy, I think there has to be some really big successes for companies other than M$ to end the tyranny of M$. Feb 06 17:43
balzac who is going to get all those billions of dollars and hundreds of millions of users? Feb 06 17:43
schestowitz Dollars? Feb 06 17:44
balzac Redhat is not for home users Feb 06 17:44
schestowitz No, that’s price fixing. Feb 06 17:44
balzac Canonical is well positioned Feb 06 17:44
schestowitz Same with Intel Feb 06 17:44
schestowitz OLPC f*ed them (AMD) Feb 06 17:44
schestowitz Their profits fell 95% (!!) in the last report Feb 06 17:44
balzac Roy, yeah people are going to pay substantially less, and for support and services, not the actual software. Feb 06 17:44
schestowitz Operating systems become a commodity Feb 06 17:44
schestowitz Don’t expects SunMySQL to ‘steal’ Oracle’s $$ Feb 06 17:45
schestowitz They can take share, not $ Feb 06 17:45
schestowitz This is not a zero-sum game Feb 06 17:45
balzac right Feb 06 17:45
schestowitz We give platforms to Brazilians Feb 06 17:45
schestowitz Microsoft says, “hey, you! Go grow coffee beans for 3 years, then get Vista Ultimate” Feb 06 17:45
schestowitz That’s insane Feb 06 17:45
PetoKraus hmm mm Feb 06 17:45
schestowitz It doesn’t cost money to replicate the SW Feb 06 17:46
balzac new markets are crucial, but wiping M$ off of hundreds of millions of computers is also important. Feb 06 17:46
PetoKraus schestowitz: could you get me a flash video? Feb 06 17:46
schestowitz And Brazil can afford to employ devs for localisation and bus fixing in the ‘Universal’ platform *UNIversnal) Feb 06 17:46
schestowitz PetoKraus: surew Feb 06 17:46
PetoKraus http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa… Feb 06 17:46
schestowitz I can’t Feb 06 17:46
schestowitz I tried Feb 06 17:46
PetoKraus ;) Feb 06 17:46
PetoKraus ok Feb 06 17:46
schestowitz We talked about it earlier Feb 06 17:46
PetoKraus is it worth watching? Feb 06 17:47
schestowitz twitter can’t watch it Feb 06 17:47
schestowitz PetoKraus: not that much. Feb 06 17:47
PetoKraus right Feb 06 17:47
schestowitz It’s humour, not news Feb 06 17:47
PetoKraus lemme see how it works Feb 06 17:47
PetoKraus oh nice xml Feb 06 17:49
schestowitz Oh wait! Feb 06 17:49
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=… Feb 06 17:49
schestowitz Just posted in USENET Feb 06 17:49
schestowitz Same video Feb 06 17:49
schestowitz I’ll grab an ogg and upload Feb 06 17:49
schestowitz Give me a minute Feb 06 17:49
PetoKraus nah Feb 06 17:49
PetoKraus i’ve got it Feb 06 17:49
PetoKraus http://media.cnetnetworks.com.au/vide… Feb 06 17:49
PetoKraus :) Feb 06 17:50
schestowitz 6mb Feb 06 17:50
PetoKraus it has 2:27 Feb 06 17:50
schestowitz Yes Feb 06 17:52
schestowitz       0:01:36.90 audio: 33kbps video: 654kbps, time remaining: 00:00:42 Feb 06 17:52
PetoKraus hmm Feb 06 17:53
PetoKraus it wasn’t worth it Feb 06 17:53
PetoKraus :) Feb 06 17:53
balzac ok, I’m afk for a few… Feb 06 17:53
PetoKraus but they’ve got their whole playlist up there in the open Feb 06 17:53
PetoKraus which is nice Feb 06 17:53
PetoKraus http://www.zdnet.com.au/video/soa/Ratbags-take-W… Feb 06 17:53
schestowitz Done. http://boycottnovell.com/videos/kde… Feb 06 17:58
trmanco “Banshee 1.4.2 is epicly broken in Jaunty. Slow to start up and wont play music (GStreamer errors)” Feb 06 18:04
schestowitz Oh oh. Feb 06 18:05
schestowitz Don’t tell me that Novell is pushing that junk into Ubuntu now. Feb 06 18:06
trmanco yes, for while now Feb 06 18:07
trmanco http://identi.ca/notice/2169850 Feb 06 18:10
PetoKraus oh god Feb 06 18:17
PetoKraus who’s that? Feb 06 18:17
schestowitz Any proof of it being shoved int Ubuntu? Feb 06 18:17
PetoKraus Who?: I’m a 16 year old Ubuntu Linux developer from Edinburgh, Scotland. Feb 06 18:18
PetoKraus David Futcher (bobbo) is an Ubuntu Linux developer and general free software hacker, living in Edinburgh, Scotland. Feb 06 18:18
PetoKraus “general free software hacker” at the age of 16? Feb 06 18:18
PetoKraus alright. Feb 06 18:18
schestowitz Why not? Feb 06 18:19
schestowitz trmanco is also coding/hacking at a young age. Feb 06 18:19
PetoKraus coding and hacking is something different Feb 06 18:20
PetoKraus you know, “real programmer”™ stuff Feb 06 18:20
trmanco PetoKraus, he might be Feb 06 18:21
trmanco https://launchpad.net/~bobbo Feb 06 18:21
trmanco he is o MOTU Feb 06 18:21
trmanco so I assume that he knows what he is talking about Feb 06 18:22
PetoKraus mark of the unicorn? Feb 06 18:22
trmanco https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DavidFutcher Feb 06 18:23
trmanco where did you see that? Feb 06 18:23
PetoKraus google ;) Feb 06 18:24
trmanco hmm ok Feb 06 18:25
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trmanco http://performance.openoffice.org/ Feb 06 19:06
trmanco http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-101… Feb 06 19:23
schestowitz Watch a fool:  < http://www.itworld.com/channel/62139/m… > “After all, it’s not Linux. How many hundreds of Linux distributions are there? That’s why Linux will never be mainstream. Nobody knows which distribution to use.” Feb 06 19:27
schestowitz The comments probably address this already, but Linux doesn’t have pricing difference and it’s not about FEATURES being DISABLED. I don’t think the author even knows what Linux is. Microsoft has price scale for CRIPPLED (not different) versions. Feb 06 19:28
schestowitz “Smell the Coffee, distributions are not operating systems. They are extremely helpful advances in how software is packaged and deployed. In the Microsoft world, picture being able to easily put your favorite operating system (maybe you like XP, service pack 3) on a cd (sorry DVD since windows is bloated),.. Feb 06 19:29
schestowitz ” add your favorite office applications (Visio, Word, Excel), change the background to your favorite screen saver, bundle some cool content (you’re home recorded .mp3s), package all of this to auto install, and give the cd to all of your friends and co-workers.”” There are some Microshills there, too. Feb 06 19:29
schestowitz “Stanford has released Open Molecular Mechanics version 1.0. The software… library is release under the GPL and thus Free Software: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41352/14… Feb 06 19:40
schestowitz Lenovo CEO quits < http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/business/soa/Lenovo-CE… > Feb 06 19:41
schestowitz I don’t think I get it……….. http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/ar… Feb 06 19:44
schestowitz http://dooooooom.blogspot.com/2009/02/tor… Feb 06 20:07
schestowitz For shame, Forbes magazine < http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/02/… > Feb 06 20:08
schestowitz Hm… “They forgot the leader of the U.S.S.A. (United Socialist States of America): Barrack Obama” http://www.mixx.com/stories/3723439/9… Feb 06 20:10
schestowitz Citrix is bastardising Xen…. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS89… Only Windows through to Linux but no Linux hosts, just slaves? Feb 06 20:33
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schestowitz Government Already Overpaid By $78 Billion In Bailout Money  < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090205… > Feb 06 21:02
schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/2009020… (EU Court Says Simply Taking Someone’s Photo Can Violate Their Civil Rights) Feb 06 21:02
schestowitz “I mentioned the guardian blog and how it tracks hits. Well someone else noticed it connecting to Omniture. There is also a mention of Omniture in relation to the BBC on a reg article < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/0… > . Curiously enough all mention of the issue has disappeared from the Guardian tech blog < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/askjack/20… >” Feb 06 21:04
schestowitz WTF? “The readers’ editor is adjudicating a complaint about this post. It will be restored when the complaint is resolved” https://nodpi.org/forum/index.php?ac… Feb 06 21:04
schestowitz Not So Much Truth in Advertising < http://prwatch.org/node/8192 > Feb 06 21:07
schestowitz Photo: Brits ‘a bunch of yellow bastards’, says irate Yank < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… > Feb 06 21:21
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/06/… (US sheds 598,000 jobs in January)… it’s probably a lot worse. They could too easily underplay this. Feb 06 21:22
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trmanco what does atm mean? Feb 06 21:26
schestowitz at the moment Feb 06 21:26
schestowitz or automatic teller Feb 06 21:26
schestowitz http://www.fanaticattack.com/2009/ice… Feb 06 21:26
trmanco at the moment in my context :D thanks schestowitz Feb 06 21:26
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schestowitz http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/02/04/amaz… Feb 06 21:32
schestowitz “According to the bureau’s sampling and calculations done on that sampled data, America shed 598,000 non-farm jobs in January, worse than expected and boosting the unemployment rate to 7.6 per cent.” Feb 06 21:32
schestowitz That’s BS. They don’t measure it using the same yardstick that they used to. A friend tells me they ‘expire’ once a period of 6 of months is lapsed, so unemployment levels may be almost equivalent (but not comparable) to great depression levels. Feb 06 21:34
schestowitz ping balzac Feb 06 21:37
balzac 64 bytes from balzac ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=61.5 ms Feb 06 21:42
trmanco lol Feb 06 21:42
GoblinRFD sorry about that…I log on and the wife starts giving me jobs….hi all! Feb 06 21:42
balzac 64 bytes from balzac ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=63.1 ms Feb 06 21:42
schestowitz Holy SPIN batman!  The Micropress spins Microsoft admitting screwing up as “Microsoft responds to bloggers”.. http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_ch… Feb 06 21:42
schestowitz balzac: I was going to ask Feb 06 21:43
schestowitz You suggested changes. How about putting the Web UI for IRC in each page? Feb 06 21:43
balzac that’s a good idea Feb 06 21:43
schestowitz This improves real-time interacxtion and feedback. One click away from channel. Feb 06 21:43
balzac get more of your http traffic in here Feb 06 21:43
schestowitz Let’s try it. Feb 06 21:43
schestowitz Even if just for a short while Feb 06 21:44
balzac but what kind of client? hopefully something which doesn’t rely on a java applet. Feb 06 21:44
balzac irc implemented with php Feb 06 21:44
balzac the recipe is maximum concurrent users and maximum interactivity Feb 06 21:45
balzac have I told you my plan for a gaming website with live cam-girls? Feb 06 21:45
balzac I bounced the idea off of RMS and he thought it could be good Feb 06 21:46
balzac all based on free software of course… Feb 06 21:47
schestowitz The good thing is this Feb 06 21:48
schestowitz We used to get spam in old posts Feb 06 21:48
schestowitz Over 5000 of them (posts, not comments) Feb 06 21:48
schestowitz So people who read old posts cannot comment, but they can click to enter the chatroom to discuss Feb 06 21:49
schestowitz Check any individual post now. It’s up. Feb 06 21:49
schestowitz “Software is like sex: it’s better when it’s free.” -Linus Torvalds Feb 06 21:50
schestowitz “Would a dating service on the net be ‘frowned upon’ . . . ? I hope not. But even if it is, don’t let that stop you from notifying me via net mail if you start one.” –Richard Stallman Feb 06 21:51
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balzac_http cool Feb 06 21:51
mib_qt6uyt hey Feb 06 21:51
balzac_http this irc client works nice Feb 06 21:51
schestowitz it’s valid HTML (ish) Feb 06 21:52
schestowitz And it doesn’t put load on the server (mashup) Feb 06 21:52
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balzac_http I’m going to put this on my site: http://www.disruptech.com Feb 06 21:52
balzac_http There’s a drupal module for mibbit as well Feb 06 21:53
schestowitz Sounds good, let me check Feb 06 21:53
balzac_http http://drupal.org/project/mibbit_irc Feb 06 21:53
schestowitz Nice design Feb 06 21:53
balzac_http well, it’s just the default acquia marina theme Feb 06 21:53
balzac_http I had my own theme but it has some issues I didn’t want to deal with Feb 06 21:54
balzac_http so I’m going to customize this theme Feb 06 21:54
schestowitz Reminds me of lifehcker Feb 06 21:54
schestowitz http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2… (It is that time of the Quarter! Traveling to Microsoft.) Feb 06 21:55
schestowitz What a tool Feb 06 21:55
schestowitz Who is Joseph? Feb 06 21:56
schestowitz Shields??? Feb 06 21:56
schestowitz Moonlight….. Feb 06 21:56
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schestowitz Maybe this chap: http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008… Feb 06 21:57
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Goblin[RFD] so it works then! Feb 06 22:19
schestowitz What does? MIB? Feb 06 22:19
Goblin[RFD] the embedded chat client. Feb 06 22:19
Goblin[RFD] I saw the conversation just before I had to log off Feb 06 22:19
schestowitz Maybe we can get reader to join the conversation and not be just passive readers. That’s what balzac rightly suggested and I thank him for that Feb 06 22:20
Goblin[RFD] good idea Feb 06 22:20
Goblin[RFD] things been a little slow for me today…..mind you the MS posters are becoming desperate Feb 06 22:21
schestowitz There is a lot of good Linux news today. Microsoft is getting nervous Feb 06 22:21
schestowitz Let me find something I spotted earlier Feb 06 22:21
Goblin[RFD] over on mswatch theyve posted a nasty homophobic tirade aimed at us. Feb 06 22:22
schestowitz Here, have a look: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-m… Feb 06 22:22
Goblin[RFD] going now Feb 06 22:22
schestowitz Wait, I heard of that tactic Feb 06 22:22
schestowitz Someone mailed me earlier suggesting that there’s some new squad killing communities with such messages Feb 06 22:22
schestowitz He suggested this ruined Technocrat Feb 06 22:22
Goblin[RFD] its all so desperate….I just hope nobody was offended by their remarks Feb 06 22:24
schestowitz Let me check my box again.. Feb 06 22:24
schestowitz Cause I don’t think I can quote it Feb 06 22:25
schestowitz He said BN was also affected by them Feb 06 22:25
schestowitz But I promised not to quote this Feb 06 22:26
schestowitz New site: http://linuxcritic.com/ Feb 06 22:30
schestowitz Similar to trmanco ‘s Feb 06 22:31
trmanco looks nice Feb 06 22:34
schestowitz The name makes it sound like another LinuxHater(C) or anti-Linux, but it ain’t Feb 06 22:34
Goblin[RFD] ahhhhhhh Feb 06 22:35
Goblin[RFD] Quote “A new release of Wine, everyones favourite Windows emulator is out. “ Feb 06 22:35
Goblin[RFD] nooooo Feb 06 22:35
Goblin[RFD] that needs to be changed and fast on that site. Feb 06 22:35
Goblin[RFD] looks quite nice though appart from that. Feb 06 22:36
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Goblin[RFD] and just seen a new onlinerpg there….although all the rest Ive already covered on mine….. Feb 06 22:38
schestowitz “Critic”=make it more like Win32 Feb 06 22:39
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balzac I know they methodicaly subvert free and open source software communities as well. Feb 06 22:41
balzac Novell employees themselves have dogged Roy on sites other than BN Feb 06 22:41
schestowitz Let’s see who picks the job of “Microsoft’s anti Desktop/sub-notebooks/laptop Linux” http://news.zdnet.co.uk/leader/0,10… Feb 06 22:42
schestowitz balzac: they do it to other people who write about BN Feb 06 22:42
balzac Their strategy is to try to provoke activists into appearing overzealous and unreasonable by a pattern of harrassment. Feb 06 22:42
schestowitz I have it documented too Feb 06 22:42
schestowitz Yes, that too. Feb 06 22:42
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balzac I wouldn’t know the extent to which Microsoft is guilty of these kinds of activities if it weren’t for BN Feb 06 22:46
balzac What a bunch of weasels. Feb 06 22:47
schestowitz michaellarabel is spread disinfo: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/20… Feb 06 22:48
schestowitz I told him on IRC to clam it down Feb 06 22:48
schestowitz He’s putting down a good project Feb 06 22:48
schestowitz “The Phoronix headline was probably a little confusing, Compiz Fusion as a project is not being dropped, we’re here to stay, however considering that the same two leaders are in charge of both Compiz and Compiz Fusion, we have decided to merge the two projects. “ Feb 06 22:48
schestowitz balzac: yes, I need to be careful what I said Feb 06 22:49
schestowitz One person told me to shut down IRC because the trolls cherry-pick stuff from here to wrongly claims (they lie) that I attributed reiser’s murder to Microsoft. Feb 06 22:49
schestowitz Some of them have a quick copy-n-paster to smear me whenever BN makes the front page of a site like Slashdot in order to deflect attention and stir people up against BN Feb 06 22:50
schestowitz twitter gets the same treatment in places because he says the truth Feb 06 22:50
balzac yeah, that’s crap Feb 06 22:51
schestowitz They have labels Feb 06 22:51
schestowitz Pick on: Feb 06 22:51
balzac people who position themselves as intermediaries to resolve conflict – it doesn’t make sense ethically if one side of the conflict is obviously wrong. Feb 06 22:52
schestowitz *one. [Microsoft hater|zealot|loon|fanboi|basement dweller|others] Feb 06 22:52
schestowitz They apply this also to PJ and people who are super-polite like Andy Updegrove, who mailed me to suggest that I tone myself down (I had no idea I ever toned myself ‘up’) Feb 06 22:53
balzac I write carefully, even in heated debates. I re-read my stuff more than some editors for the NY Times. Feb 06 22:53
schestowitz See how RMS gets slammed by MS pressure groups (i.e. by proxy) like COmpTIA if he dares to say something true people are not used to hearing. Feb 06 22:53
balzac I’ve had to become extra careful because when you’re up against intellectually dishonest character assassins, they’re going to be as un-charitable as possible every time vague language is left open to interpretation. Feb 06 22:54
balzac They’ll misinterpret even when I write clearly, so I find myself saying “please don’t ever paraphrase me and attribute it to me”. Feb 06 22:55
balzac That’s probably why RMS doesn’t encourage people to make up their own rhetoric regarding touchy topics such as referring to GNU/Linux as “Linux”. He just recommends you refer them to the relevant pages on fsf.org Feb 06 22:57
schestowitz Cool: http://linux.blogs2k.com/2009/02/… Feb 06 22:57
schestowitz Yes, RMS reuses properly constructed argument to save time and ambiguity. Feb 06 22:59
schestowitz I still have many references spread in over 50,000 USENET posts and I ought to have them more cohesively organised over time. Feb 06 22:59
balzac that’s a lot Feb 06 22:59
balzac one month I posted 2300 comments in favor of impeaching Bush Feb 06 23:00
balzac I did that with varying degrees of intensity over the course of years Feb 06 23:00
balzac luckily for me, i’m focused on work now. Feb 06 23:01
balzac I had hoped that as a blogger I’d get enough traffic to have substantial ad revenue Feb 06 23:02
balzac I underestimated the determination of the political hacks to protect their positions within the online democratic fundraising communities. Feb 06 23:03
balzac It sucks when you’re not getting paid as an activist and your opponents are getting paid to trash you. Feb 06 23:03
balzac there’s this guy who is the chief of staff for a democratic governor or senator – this guy is such an utter and complete asshole. Feb 06 23:04
balzac One of these days, I’m going to make contact with this politicians office and say, I think you’re a real piece of shit an the reason is your chief of staff. Feb 06 23:04
balzac he’s been verbally abusing hundreds of sincere, volunteer activists over the course of years. Feb 06 23:05
balzac to think that someone with that nice of a job can be that nasty to regular shmoes who volunteer their time.. Feb 06 23:05
balzac I’d love to get that bastard fired. Feb 06 23:06
schestowitz The comments… just in Daily Kos? Feb 06 23:06
balzac yeah Feb 06 23:06
schestowitz Do you know the Berman lad? Feb 06 23:06
schestowitz Abusing many activists. Feb 06 23:06
balzac no Feb 06 23:06
schestowitz There are hired guns doing this thing. Feb 06 23:06
balzac is that a real name or a pseudonym? Feb 06 23:07
schestowitz Getting paid to trash poor volunteers Feb 06 23:07
balzac oh Feb 06 23:07
balzac oh yeah, I know it Feb 06 23:07
schestowitz http://bermanexposed.org/ Feb 06 23:07
balzac they’re paid by our tax dollars to brow beat us in our online communities Feb 06 23:07
schestowitz Yes Feb 06 23:07
schestowitz To keep responsible adults in charge Feb 06 23:07
balzac Alright, time for me to get off my computer for a while… Feb 06 23:09
balzac Roy, I have to say I see only one way to beat these fuckers – in busines Feb 06 23:09
schestowitz http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/w… “I was even told by someone else in the forum that they were given short shrift on the phone to Dell UK when trying to order one of the XPS laptops with Ubuntu. Apparently the sales representative told them they no longer sold any XPS laptops with Ubuntu in the UK.” Feb 06 23:09
schestowitz balzac: no, build ‘an army’ as they say Feb 06 23:10
schestowitz They use cash. Feb 06 23:10
balzac that’s my focus now. If you don’t have a business plan behind your activism, you’ll never be able to “drain the swamp” of capital that funds your ideological opposition Feb 06 23:10
schestowitz You can use people’s voices Feb 06 23:10
schestowitz Tap people’s efforts Feb 06 23:10
balzac well, even an army has to eat and be sheltered. You have to have a scalable plan to finance your efforts. Feb 06 23:10
schestowitz Like I follow the words of other whose blogs or campigns are worth supporting Feb 06 23:10
balzac money is the best for “dynamic resource allocation” among large groups of people. People need to get paid, ultimately. Feb 06 23:11
schestowitz balzac: not quite Feb 06 23:11
schestowitz I disagree with you. Feb 06 23:11
schestowitz I know you must go, but wait. Feb 06 23:11
balzac ok Feb 06 23:11
schestowitz The thing is, keeping people divided is something that’s done by design Feb 06 23:11
schestowitz For many years in many so-called “democracies” unions were broken apart in smart ways Feb 06 23:12
schestowitz Not the press is deteriorating Feb 06 23:12
schestowitz Unless they receive bailout (aka “public looting”), they will lose control of people’s thoughts and feelings. Feb 06 23:12
PetoKraus Dinner time :) Feb 06 23:12
schestowitz Moreover, here in BN I get help from people in places like Brazil in India, i.e. those vasssalised by the west Feb 06 23:12
schestowitz They are willing to donate time, and it’s all enabled by the _OPEN_ Internet (must fight tiered Web too) Feb 06 23:13
schestowitz So with connected minds, the elites have sh* in their .. well,.. hanmd. Feb 06 23:13
schestowitz If they are 1% of the population.. Feb 06 23:13
schestowitz Think about not just wealth. Feb 06 23:13
balzac well, there’ll be a newer, slightly more benevolent elite to replace them. Feb 06 23:14
schestowitz Think about media controllers, diplomats, Bilderbergers and all that sort of crowd Feb 06 23:14
schestowitz They are shaking scared of the other 99% Feb 06 23:14
balzac I’m not going to find myself a hungry old activist years down the road. Feb 06 23:14
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schestowitz Especially now when people are unhappy (economy just in part, transparency being another), they are at huge risk and they know it Feb 06 23:14
schestowitz Thus they create “Police State” Feb 06 23:14
schestowitz Form of neo-fascism Feb 06 23:15
schestowitz They daemonise protestors and unions (same old, same old) Feb 06 23:15
balzac they’re not as afraid of us as you think. if they were afraid, they wouldn’t be pissing all over everyone. Feb 06 23:15
schestowitz I think they are worried, maybe not “Scared” Feb 06 23:15
schestowitz Watch the politicians in the UK Feb 06 23:16
schestowitz I do follow this (local news) Feb 06 23:16
schestowitz They get blasted in blogs Feb 06 23:16
schestowitz They get phonecalls Feb 06 23:16
schestowitz People see their corruption Feb 06 23:16
schestowitz And they’re hopping mad when wikileaks get their latest corruption Feb 06 23:16
schestowitz In BN I focus on one area… COmes is a favourite ATM Feb 06 23:16
schestowitz If many people do this, then the Web gets flooded by the stuff that has UK MPs want to ‘close it down’ Feb 06 23:17
balzac good luck with controlling the internet… Feb 06 23:18
balzac well, ultimately, I want to be able to afford a nice lifestyle. Feb 06 23:18
schestowitz What is “nice”? Feb 06 23:18
balzac I’m going to stay focused on business, but in accordance with my ethics. Feb 06 23:18
schestowitz What the Tube says? Feb 06 23:19
schestowitz I’m not sure RMS is bothered by flying coach. Feb 06 23:19
balzac Roy, I have my own ideas of lifestyle. Feb 06 23:19
schestowitz Had he flown first class, then what preacher would he be? Feb 06 23:19
balzac honestly, the lifestyle I’m focused on isn’t for everyone. Feb 06 23:19
schestowitz In some parts of the world, lifestyle means other things. Feb 06 23:20
balzac I’m not averse to the idea of having money, employees, and all the trappings of wealth. That’s just me… Feb 06 23:20
schestowitz Hopefully not consumerism and fashionable following, balzac Feb 06 23:20
balzac But that’s a separate issue from software freedom Feb 06 23:20
schestowitz Wealth is OK Feb 06 23:20
schestowitz No-one I know is against it Feb 06 23:21
schestowitz The question is how you achieve it Feb 06 23:21
balzac by kicking the asses of less deserving competitors on the battlefield of business Feb 06 23:21
schestowitz Treading on others is one way, like in Colmbia Feb 06 23:21
schestowitz *ombia Feb 06 23:21
schestowitz balzac: that’s how many companiesview themselves Feb 06 23:22
schestowitz MS: “We’re the good guys!” (see Comes memos) Feb 06 23:22
balzac If you’ve got to climb over anyone else’s back, make sure they deserve to lose. Feb 06 23:22
balzac there is no shortage of scumbags to compete against Feb 06 23:22
schestowitz Don’t fall into mental traps of self justification. It’s too easy Feb 06 23:22
schestowitz Success can be intoxication when measured in the wrong sorts of material gain. Feb 06 23:23
balzac don’t worry about me, my friend Feb 06 23:23
schestowitz What you say was also said by the dumpster divers who wanted to beat “Evil” IBM Feb 06 23:23
balzac I’ve got some finely-tuned ethical calculus to guide me Feb 06 23:23
schestowitz IBM too is trying to defeat MS based on “ethical” or “moral” basis Feb 06 23:23
schestowitz But IBM is misbehaved too Feb 06 23:23
schestowitz Google as well Feb 06 23:24
balzac sure. Feb 06 23:24
schestowitz People’s abacus for ethics gets changed Feb 06 23:24
balzac Any company which has to answer to share-holders is going to partake in a bogus system Feb 06 23:24
PetoKraus schestowitz: it doesnt Feb 06 23:24
schestowitz Some people turned from peddlers into extreme predators Feb 06 23:24
PetoKraus since most people judge in terms of relative values Feb 06 23:24
PetoKraus the “abacus” doesn’t change Feb 06 23:25
PetoKraus the people do Feb 06 23:25
balzac ok, ttyl guys Feb 06 23:25
schestowitz True. Feb 06 23:25
balzac have a good weekend Feb 06 23:25
schestowitz You too Feb 06 23:25
*balzac is now known as balzac_afk Feb 06 23:25
PetoKraus alrighty Feb 06 23:29
PetoKraus schestowitz: http://suigintou.desudesudesu.org/4s… Feb 06 23:29
schestowitz I see…. the last time you posted a photo here it had a nipple Feb 06 23:31
schestowitz I saw this cartoon about a year ago. Feb 06 23:31
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PetoKraus yeah it’s nice Feb 06 23:32
PetoKraus :) Feb 06 23:32
PetoKraus do you know all of them,? Feb 06 23:32
schestowitz No. Feb 06 23:33
PetoKraus :) Feb 06 23:33
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schestowitz Violent unrest rocks China as crisis hits < http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi… > Feb 06 23:34
schestowitz “Bankruptcies, unemployment and social unrest are spreading more widely in China than officially reported, according to independent research that paints an ominous picture for the world economy.” They censor the truth Feb 06 23:35
schestowitz Same in the UK and US. Any number you read about and estimate projection you are told about is bogus. It’s always optimistic — low-balling the reality or severity of the situation. Feb 06 23:36
schestowitz IBM and Google are still ‘dressing up’ open standards as “openness” or open source. http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/ma… Feb 06 23:39
schestowitz What a load of *. “The nonprofit has open-sourced the API, and will make available the following data in hopes that developers” < http://www.thestandard.com/news/2009/02/0… >. How can an API be ‘open-sourced’? Feb 06 23:40
PetoKraus uhm Feb 06 23:42
PetoKraus whatever Feb 06 23:42
PetoKraus classical journo ignorance/spin Feb 06 23:42
PetoKraus that HP design for UMPC’s looks cool Feb 06 23:42
schestowitz Yes, I liked it too Feb 06 23:45
schestowitz Better than Ubuntu colours and all…. Feb 06 23:45
PetoKraus Yeah Feb 06 23:45
schestowitz H-P has big budget and staff Feb 06 23:45
PetoKraus i’m “professionally deformed” though Feb 06 23:45
schestowitz But the Linux people in there will be pressure by MS lackeys, as usual. Feb 06 23:45
PetoKraus even if i like some UI Feb 06 23:45
PetoKraus i can’t force myself to use it… i’m just too used to my layout Feb 06 23:46
PetoKraus you wouldn’t even know I changed the OS, if you didn’t see the background image logo Feb 06 23:46
schestowitz The Fortify shills are attacking FOSS all over the press again. They are Microsoft attack dogs. Feb 06 23:46
PetoKraus did you read about HP not selling Linux version of their machines in UK? Feb 06 23:46
PetoKraus I mean, what the? Feb 06 23:46
schestowitz Yes Feb 06 23:46
schestowitz UK is well behind Feb 06 23:46
PetoKraus yes Feb 06 23:46
schestowitz Also see Firefox share here Feb 06 23:47
PetoKraus i wonder why Feb 06 23:47
PetoKraus yeah Feb 06 23:47
schestowitz Like the US… patiotism Feb 06 23:47
schestowitz Obedience to English-named brand Feb 06 23:47
PetoKraus i am trying to do my best at work… you know, i usually even preinstall firefox for the users Feb 06 23:47
schestowitz Microsoft is a top brand here, never mind the crimes. Feb 06 23:47
PetoKraus or openoffice or so Feb 06 23:47
schestowitz Yes, they then pressure their peers/family too. That’s how Firefox grew Feb 06 23:48
PetoKraus i’m thinking about bringing my laptop over to work tomorrow Feb 06 23:48
PetoKraus i could use some cleaning :D Feb 06 23:48
PetoKraus on the other side, suit, bike and laptop case are quite incompatible Feb 06 23:49
schestowitz Use a backpack Feb 06 23:52
schestowitz Oh, wait.. suit? Feb 06 23:53
twitter Use a locker and shower and get there earlier. Feb 06 23:53
twitter A case for the bike helps get things back and forth with less wrinkles. Feb 06 23:54
PetoKraus well Feb 06 23:54
PetoKraus 1) it’s downhill, i don’t need a shower Feb 06 23:54
twitter lucky you Feb 06 23:54
schestowitz The MOG gang gives an award to the Tucci|Maritz brothel: http://it.tmcnet.com/news/2009… Feb 06 23:54
PetoKraus 2) i use backpack. It just doesn’t match the suit well Feb 06 23:55
twitter might leave you rumply … Feb 06 23:55
PetoKraus yeah Feb 06 23:55
PetoKraus it was the best buy i made though Feb 06 23:56
PetoKraus it’s nice sturdy samsonite backpack Feb 06 23:56
PetoKraus i can manage to fit swimsuit+towel, jogging pants, t shirt, squash boots, lab coats, lab manuals and my notes (a4 folder) in it pretty easily Feb 06 23:57
twitter The biggest battle is being close enough to ride and having streets that don’t kill you.  The rest are trivial details. Feb 06 23:57
PetoKraus the streets of glasgow Feb 06 23:58
PetoKraus well Feb 06 23:58
PetoKraus it takes a while to get used to it Feb 06 23:58
PetoKraus mainly for someone from the continent Feb 06 23:58
PetoKraus but now i find riding in glasgow much safer than back home… Feb 06 23:58
PetoKraus the drivers are used to it, the most arrogant being cabs… and driving on the left has it’s advantages. Feb 06 23:59
PetoKraus *its Feb 06 23:59
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