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02.16.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 16th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 10:03 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz I gave Vista7 a knock: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/15/vi… Time for bed now.. Feb 16 02:01
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Goblin Hi Roy! Feb 16 09:01
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MinceR geekings Feb 16 09:24
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schestowitz Hey Feb 16 09:28
schestowitz Mortal Kombat maker Midway goes titsup < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/1… > Feb 16 09:28
schestowitz “Finish HIM!” Feb 16 09:28
schestowitz The Register is entertaining provocation and arseholes: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02… Feb 16 09:29
MinceR i hope that doesn’t mean there won’t be any ut3 client for linnux Feb 16 09:30
MinceR but i guess they don’t care anyway Feb 16 09:30
schestowitz ut3 for Linux, eh? How Duke Nuken Forever coming along? Feb 16 09:34
schestowitz *How’s (they actually have this in beta though… ut3 for Linux, IIRC) Feb 16 09:34
MinceR :) Feb 16 09:34
MinceR it’s been in the “Real Soon Now” state for over a year Feb 16 09:34
MinceR perhaps midway only got a license to sell it for windows or something Feb 16 09:35
schestowitz No, wait…. Feb 16 09:43
schestowitz http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page… Feb 16 09:44
schestowitz http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/finger/finger.pl?use… Feb 16 09:44
MinceR yeah, icculus did show some screenshots Feb 16 09:44
MinceR that’s far from an actual release Feb 16 09:44
schestowitz It’s a collage Feb 16 09:45
schestowitz make a printout Feb 16 09:45
PetoKraus yeah Feb 16 09:45
PetoKraus his windae has nae borders Feb 16 09:45
schestowitz LOL Feb 16 09:46
schestowitz “Roses are Red Feb 16 09:46
schestowitz Lilies are white Feb 16 09:46
schestowitz Balmer’s a bully Feb 16 09:46
schestowitz And windows is shite” Feb 16 09:46
schestowitz (from usenet) Feb 16 09:46
MinceR :) Feb 16 09:46
PetoKraus class.ic Feb 16 09:47
PetoKraus breakfast anyone? Feb 16 09:47
PetoKraus if you can make it in an hour, you’re invited ;) Feb 16 09:47
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trmanco_ hey schestowitz , just found this -> http://securitylabs.websense.com/content… Feb 16 10:17
schestowitz Thanks. Feb 16 10:19
trmanco_ it’s on slashdot Feb 16 10:19
trmanco_ have to go, cya Feb 16 10:20
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MinceR well, i can’t see the ut3 screenshots now, probably it’s the same coralcdn issue as earlier Feb 16 12:11
MinceR perhaps the node i can access is just broken. Feb 16 12:11
schestowitz Is this really nothing to do with Novell, as one comment in BN claims (contradicting other reports)? “East said the computer uses an ARM processor for email and Internet access when running the Linux operating system, but qualified this by saying “according to industry reports.”" http://www.eetimes.com/news/design/… Feb 16 12:19
oiaohm_ Dell has plans to use arm processes for Linux. Feb 16 12:44
oiaohm_ For the simple issue of powermanagement arm processes run rings around x86. Feb 16 12:44
oiaohm_ 1/12 the powerpull using a arm processor compared to a x86 Feb 16 12:45
oiaohm_ Just like china lining up to use there mips based processor. Feb 16 12:47
schestowitz Yes, these too. China makes it cheaper though, MUCH cheaper. Feb 16 13:00
oiaohm_ Lack of labour laws help China a lot. Feb 16 13:01
MinceR not all of china, only the corps Feb 16 13:05
schestowitz Not just in China, either. Feb 16 13:05
oiaohm_ I like how MS is starting to time window the release pattern to try to make people buy Vista. Feb 16 13:05
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schestowitz Parts of the world are becoming more like China (worse working conditions, surveillance, censorship, etc.) Feb 16 13:06
schestowitz oiaohm_: Vista isn’t bought, it’s imposed… like DRM. Feb 16 13:07
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/998/1… “Allen wrote a $500 million cheque to DreamWorks when it was launched as a combination live action and animation studio in October 1994. The outfit was behind the Shrek and Madagascar franchises.” Feb 16 13:09
schestowitz Hm……………….. “The police say Skype’s encryption system is a secret which the company refuses to share with the authorities.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europ… Feb 16 13:10
schestowitz This contradicts stories from AT/DE that say the police has back door access to Skype. Feb 16 13:11
schestowitz http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec… “rederik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Peter Sunde Kolmsioppi and Carl Lundstorm have portrayed themselves as digital libertarians and believe that they cannot be prosecuted for copyright theft because none of the content is hosted on their computer servers.” Feb 16 13:13
oiaohm_ Skype is a little harder to crack. Feb 16 13:15
oiaohm_ Its using user to user transmission as well with unque keys. Feb 16 13:16
oiaohm_ Ie not having the keys leaves you kinda stuffed even if you know what the forumalar is. Feb 16 13:16
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schestowitz oiaohm_: they cab leave trapdoors in the transmission algo Feb 16 13:18
oiaohm_ Out going line to real world can be accessed schestowitz Feb 16 13:19
oiaohm_ client to client lot harder. Feb 16 13:20
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MinceR skype should be considered malware and handled appropriately. Feb 16 13:30
schestowitz It also replicates itself Feb 16 13:34
schestowitz People ask you to use it, kind of like Facebooks, LinkedIn and other viral nonsense. Feb 16 13:34
oiaohm_ Nothing is more fun than a person asking me what anti-virus I run. Feb 16 14:08
oiaohm_ And me answering none. Feb 16 14:08
oiaohm_ Simple reason I don’t run windows or any other application that can be virus plagued. Feb 16 14:08
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schestowitz Anther way to put it is that “I don’t run malware/spyware (Windows), so I don’t need something ‘against’ it.” Feb 16 14:23
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twitter Software as a Service.  Ha ha.  http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/16/gartner-fo… Feb 16 15:19
schestowitz gartner is desparate Feb 16 15:21
schestowitz Not many companies would pay for ‘research’. Wait until they start praises Vista7 like they praised Vista Feb 16 15:21
schestowitz They can easily make half a million dollars in just one contract, based on those ‘bills’ from Bill’s mailbox Feb 16 15:22
MinceR until bill runs out of money Feb 16 15:26
MinceR that is, when he can’t fake any more Feb 16 15:27
MinceR is there a limit to their accounting tricks? Feb 16 15:27
schestowitz Bill has money Feb 16 15:27
schestowitz Bill != Microsoft Feb 16 15:27
schestowitz It’s around part 6 of this series < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CyJJq… > which talks about Enron. Good documentary which I warmly recommend BTW. Feb 16 15:28
twitter Bill will quit funding M$ as some point, but he’s got something stupid like hundreds of millions of M$FT shares that he must protect. Feb 16 15:29
twitter If the value of those fall, Bill won’t have money for M$. Feb 16 15:30
amarsh04 nice quote from another channel: “Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.” Feb 16 15:30
schestowitz Hehe. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02… Feb 16 15:30
twitter So the end will come swiftly.  Both collapse at the same time. Feb 16 15:30
twitter gotta go for a while, keep up the good work. Feb 16 15:31
schestowitz Pilots boycott gov ID cards < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/… > Feb 16 15:32
twitter Airport “security” which abuses passengers is not funny.  A woman died in the US after being accused of being a “terrorist”. Feb 16 15:32
schestowitz What’s the full story? Feb 16 15:33
twitter She was strangled to death in the only room in the airport without a camera, and killed all over again in a press smear job. Feb 16 15:33
twitter They claimed she killed herself trying to get out of her handcuffs. Feb 16 15:33
schestowitz Heh. Feb 16 15:33
twitter Her mom is some kind of activist in New York. Feb 16 15:33
twitter gotta go now, I’m getting late. Feb 16 15:33
schestowitz Yeah.. like she hit her head againat a bullet Feb 16 15:33
schestowitz Sounds perfect.. Feb 16 15:34
schestowitz Like the Russian police assassinating bloggers Feb 16 15:34
schestowitz They just accidentally died at the sttation after being detained for investigation Feb 16 15:34
schestowitz Investigation = “radical interrogation”? “Rendition”? Feb 16 15:34
schestowitz It’s interesting how words come to mean the very opposite of what they are. Feb 16 15:35
schestowitz This depletes vocabulary, by design Feb 16 15:35
schestowitz Like Liberian, social, demonstration (should be a positive connotation)… Feb 16 15:35
schestowitz Hacker.. Feb 16 15:36
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schestowitz Burp of Arctic laughing gas is no joke < http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16602-bur… > “It seems the Arctic is belching out nitrous oxide – commonly known as laughing gas. Unfortunately, the punchline is that it is a powerful greenhouse gas.” Feb 16 15:46
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schestowitz Tesco email is broked < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/1… > Feb 16 16:10
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schestowitz Red Hat made a deal. Feb 16 16:28
schestowitz “RH signed reciprocal agreements with Microsoft Corporation to enable increased interoperability for the companies’ virtualization platforms. Each company will join the other’s virtualization validation/certification program and will provide coordinated technical support for their mutual server virtualization customers.  The reciprocal validations will allow customers to deploy heterogeneous, virtualized Red Hat and Microsoft sol Feb 16 16:28
schestowitz utions with confidence.” Feb 16 16:28
schestowitz A journalist has just asked me for comment. Feb 16 16:29
schestowitz “These agreements do not require the sharing of IP. Therefore, the agreements do not include any patent or open source licensing rights, and additionally contain no financial clauses, other than industry-standard certification/validation testing fees.” Red Hat did all right then. Feb 16 16:29
schestowitz It’s funny how all E-mails over here are being logged. It’s a surveillance society in the UK. Evey E-mail I send goes into the govt’s DB for example, unless I PGP-encrypt it, in which case I get /some/ privacy Feb 16 16:31
schestowitz Turns out that even Internet Cafes are under a close watch. A friend send me this: Feb 16 16:31
schestowitz “ps: I got chatting with the new staff in ‘Swirl’ he showed me the system. He can remotely view what’s on my screen and save snapshots (using hook.dll). This is a huge violation of privacy and what would happen if they hired a crook or someone on low pay that are supplementing their income.” Feb 16 16:31
schestowitz “This Cafeagent software is nothing more than spyware. Why do they need to read your screen just to audit a ticket ? I highly suspect it’s a front for some security outfit. In this day and age, anyone selling security software is most certainly working for the spooks.” Feb 16 16:31
schestowitz “I’d like to be able to kill this in memory, but I don’t have Windows at home. Is there a hack for giving standard user access to the process list, and kill a process. At the moment it’s owned by ‘system’. Why don’t you download it install it and take a look at it. Take a close look at that hook.dll file. A hackers dream, and it’s on every computer here.” Feb 16 16:31
schestowitz Red Hat and MS…… http://www.mcsweeneys.net/books/everythi… Feb 16 16:33
schestowitz All your videoZ are belong to teh google: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/16/… Feb 16 16:38
schestowitz http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statu… “Microsoft blinks first on interoperability with Red Hat – http://is.gd/jHlW. Nothing Novell-ish here.” Feb 16 16:40
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schestowitz The way the news about Red Hat came was shocking, but it’s not as shocking as the headline/subject line sort of suggested :-) (my heart almost missed a beat!). I’ll write about this now…. Feb 16 16:51
amarsh04 it’s on groklaw.net also schestowitz Feb 16 16:54
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schestowitz Cool, let me see.. Feb 16 17:08
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/16/red-hat… Feb 16 17:08
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schestowitz BN quoted here: http://blogs.computerworld.com/red_hat_mic… Feb 16 17:22
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schestowitz http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/02/16/cellph… “Studies suggest that talking on a hands-free cell phone while driving is just as dangerous as a handheld one.” Feb 16 17:41
schestowitz Vatican buries the hatchet with Charles Darwin < http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comme… > Feb 16 17:42
schestowitz http://www.stimuluswatch.org/ “Stimulus” or “Bailout” are Orwellian terms for “public looting”. Feb 16 17:44
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schestowitz Bill Introduced In Pennsylvania To Ban All Portable Gadgets In School < http://techdirt.com/articles/2009021… > Feb 16 17:48
amarsh04 like pens, pencils and books? (-: Feb 16 18:03
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schestowitz Yes, it’s a good ongoing debate. Some kids just read the paper at the lectures or they simply don’t pay attention. I used to fall asleep at almost every other lecture. Feb 16 18:05
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schestowitz FSDaily seems to be grinding to a halt because not many people vote up stories. Feb 16 18:17
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trmanco hello again Feb 16 18:22
trmanco I’ve read that Red Hat made a deal with MS Feb 16 18:22
trmanco :( Feb 16 18:22
trmanco sort of Feb 16 18:22
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schestowitz trmanco: what did you read? Feb 16 18:24
trmanco Asay Feb 16 18:25
trmanco Microsoft, Red Hat team up on patent-free interoperability: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10164907-… Feb 16 18:26
schestowitz The comments in Digg were not correct Feb 16 18:26
schestowitz I have about 10 more articles to post about it. Feb 16 18:27
schestowitz Jose hates it. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/16/red-hat-mi… Feb 16 18:29
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trmanco he is right Feb 16 18:30
tcpsyn Morning. Feb 16 18:30
trmanco we better prepare for boycottredhad Feb 16 18:30
schestowitz I think Shane has it, but you’re taking this too far Feb 16 18:31
schestowitz Other sites like Groklaw have endorsed the deal too Feb 16 18:31
schestowitz So do I. ComputerWorld also quoted me on it. I don’t give it the thumbs-up, I just say it could be a lot worse. Feb 16 18:32
schestowitz tcpsyn: hi Feb 16 18:32
tcpsyn trmanco, why boycott redhat? Feb 16 18:33
trmanco tcpsyn, http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/16/red-hat-… Feb 16 18:33
trmanco scroll up Feb 16 18:34
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tcpsyn trmanco, I just came in, I got nothing to scroll Feb 16 18:34
schestowitz _doug: what do you think about RHAT/MS? Feb 16 18:34
schestowitz *RHT Feb 16 18:34
trmanco tcpsyn, scroll up on the article, I forgot to remove the comment part on th link :-P Feb 16 18:35
schestowitz tcpsyn: Red Hat didn’t do something too bad. trmanco would need to convince us. Feb 16 18:35
MinceR as long as no money is exchanged and there’s nothing else in the deal but support, i think it’s ok Feb 16 18:35
trmanco I don’t trust MS Feb 16 18:36
schestowitz One could argue that Red Hat might see some code (probably not, but Novell does this), in which case there’s the SCO argument Feb 16 18:36
MinceR hopefully they won’t Feb 16 18:36
schestowitz trmanco: me neither, so let’s find the catch Feb 16 18:36
schestowitz http://blogs.computerworld.com/red_… http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?sto… Feb 16 18:36
trmanco schestowitz, we should wait and see what happens Feb 16 18:37
schestowitz http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresour… http://www.businessreviewonline.com/os/archive… Feb 16 18:37
schestowitz http://www.businessreviewonline.com/os/ar… http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/02/16/m… Feb 16 18:37
schestowitz Like I said in Digg, this shows that Microsoft is scared of being left out.. even out of the VM. Can you blame them? Feb 16 18:38
schestowitz It was written somewhere that MS customers demanded it Feb 16 18:38
_doug hi there .. RHAT/MS .. no patent deal .. ? Feb 16 18:38
schestowitz SJVN: “Yes, you read that right. Microsoft is saying that they made this deal because of Microsoft customer demand to run Red Hat Linux.” Feb 16 18:38
schestowitz “Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux…” –Steve Ballmer (September 2008) Feb 16 18:38
schestowitz _doug: no patents, just nooperability Feb 16 18:39
_doug Microsoft un-interoperability .. Feb 16 18:39
trmanco hey cool: Your friend, Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, has also added you to their list of friends. You are now mutual friends! Feb 16 18:41
trmanco :) Feb 16 18:41
_doug New Malware ‘Virux’ Spreading Rampant in US .. Feb 16 18:42
schestowitz Where? Feb 16 18:42
_doug http://www.infopackets.com/news/security/2009/200902… Feb 16 18:42
schestowitz Sounds like a Linux distro name Feb 16 18:42
trmanco lol Feb 16 18:43
schestowitz Those crackers give a bad name to Linux Feb 16 18:43
schestowitz “mom, do you want LINUX? With… with MONO?”  Mother: Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! Feb 16 18:43
trmanco Mnoo Feb 16 18:44
_doug Can I run Hyper-V under RH under vm ? Feb 16 18:44
schestowitz It’s proprietary Feb 16 18:45
schestowitz Windows only. Feb 16 18:45
schestowitz MS wants more interop……… to WINDOWS. Feb 16 18:45
schestowitz Compatible /TO/ Windows Feb 16 18:46
schestowitz Interoperable /to/ Windows Feb 16 18:46
schestowitz WInteroperability.. Feb 16 18:46
_doug http://www.hotwirepr.com/ Novell does a Waggner … Feb 16 18:53
schestowitz Yes Feb 16 18:55
schestowitz Not only this one.. Feb 16 18:55
schestowitz They have another in Yorkshire Feb 16 18:55
schestowitz You know, in Comes you can see Waggner in early days Feb 16 18:55
schestowitz Just a few of them before Microsoft inflated them as shills to run under a different banner. Spun off as a pressure group Feb 16 18:56
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_doug Wash. Post reviews Asus Desktop PC .. Feb 16 18:59
_doug http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/… Feb 16 18:59
schestowitz ASUS is a headless chicken. It went to bed with Microsoft. Feb 16 18:59
_doug :) ] Feb 16 19:00
schestowitz Is this newsworthy at all: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_shifts… Feb 16 19:03
_doug only to MS .. Feb 16 19:03
schestowitz Microsoft exec denies knowledge of My Phone rhyming with iPhone < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_e… > MyIPhone Feb 16 19:03
schestowitz Rememeber Palm case? Feb 16 19:04
schestowitz And Open Office XML [sic] Feb 16 19:04
_doug a lot of phone companies are going with non-MS systems .. Feb 16 19:04
schestowitz Danger – BSD… Feb 16 19:04
_doug MiPHONE .. :) Feb 16 19:05
schestowitz They lose the mobile battle Feb 16 19:05
schestowitz So they move execs there and spend $100,000,000 on a BSD-based product (IIRC) Feb 16 19:06
_doug the problem with MS is that they try and control the entire market, instead of providing the core systems and letting the market run with it .. Feb 16 19:09
_doug It’s the borg mentality .. Feb 16 19:09
MinceR that’s just one of the problems Feb 16 19:09
MinceR another is that they’re unwilling or unable to provide products of usable quality Feb 16 19:10
_doug so they are basically saying to the mobile and telecom companies, give us control of your entire business and we’ll let you pay us for licenses .. Feb 16 19:10
MinceR so they have to rely on tricks instead of letting the market choose Feb 16 19:10
MinceR …and they’ll give the mobile/telecom companies a system that fails at basic PIM tasks. Feb 16 19:11
MinceR like handling DST and time zones. Feb 16 19:11
schestowitz It’s hard Feb 16 19:13
schestowitz Zune can’t do it even.. Feb 16 19:13
MinceR though iirc not even Palm OS 5 could handle time zones… Feb 16 19:14
schestowitz _doug: it’s not a MS problem, it’s just the bad rules by which markets were built about 100 years ago (just over) and lack of regulation. Look at Wal-Mart with TVs and Tesco with insurance. How long before you buy cars and houses in Sainsbury’s? Feb 16 19:15
schestowitz MinceR: Palm  is not an OS, it’s memorabilia :-) Feb 16 19:16
MinceR oh, and reliable alarms — you won’t get those with windows mobile. Feb 16 19:16
MinceR (at least not across reboots.) Feb 16 19:17
_doug how long before we do our banking and health care in Tescos .. Feb 16 19:17
schestowitz “Wow, Red Hat has definitely shown some keen ability here. They have demonstrated that it is entirely possible to work with Microsoft, without giving in to their legally questionable IP blackmail. Novell could really learn a thing or two about how to respect your customers and work with other big companies at the same time.” Feb 16 19:18
schestowitz Wal-martesco — the Fidel Castro of capitalism. Feb 16 19:19
_doug go on you commie :) Feb 16 19:19
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_doug MS wants a level playing field, as long as they own the patent property rights on grass .. Feb 16 19:21
_doug multi-simulator released under the GPL .. Feb 16 19:22
_doug http://www.rigsofrods.com/ Feb 16 19:22
schestowitz ms flight sim dies. Feb 16 19:23
_doug contracting market … Feb 16 19:23
_doug http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?… Feb 16 19:26
_doug http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=RHT#ch… Feb 16 19:27
_doug http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=… Feb 16 19:27
schestowitz Novell will be bought by….. Feb 16 19:27
_doug yea .. eventually … but not yes .. don’t want to provike Nellie :) Feb 16 19:28
_doug http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=NWS#ch… Feb 16 19:28
schestowitz “52wk Range:2.49 – 7.59″ Feb 16 19:28
schestowitz The results are coming soon and layoffs too Feb 16 19:28
schestowitz It could fall below $3 Feb 16 19:29
schestowitz http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=NWS#c… Feb 16 19:30
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schestowitz Stupid Flash allow no direct linking. Feb 16 19:30
Goblin Hi Roy! Feb 16 19:30
_doug ? Feb 16 19:30
schestowitz Hey Feb 16 19:30
schestowitz _doug: I tried linking to all-time Feb 16 19:31
Goblin Am I the only one NOT happy about the Red Hat deal? Feb 16 19:31
schestowitz No. Feb 16 19:31
schestowitz I’m gonna do another post Feb 16 19:31
Goblin I thinking this….. Feb 16 19:31
Goblin Novells deal was so crippling that the deal with Red Hat will further serve to damage an already tainted Novell Feb 16 19:32
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schestowitz I’l put a nice video of Ballme’s Red Hat racketeering.. bring back memories to them. Feb 16 19:32
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Goblin then MS can move in and aquire Novell when they are crippled. Feb 16 19:32
_doug The Red Hat deal is good publicity, for RH and their hobbiest patent violating OS .. Feb 16 19:32
_doug :) Feb 16 19:32
schestowitz I look at it like this Feb 16 19:32
Goblin Didnt we see this same type of thing with OS/2? Feb 16 19:32
schestowitz wrt to second post Feb 16 19:32
schestowitz Dead is not horrible Feb 16 19:32
schestowitz But it’s not smart, either Feb 16 19:33
_doug Apart from RH and Novell who elses are the major OSS players ? Feb 16 19:33
Goblin Canonical Feb 16 19:33
_doug Dell should buy Novell and start selling a total solution .. Feb 16 19:33
MinceR SourceForge, Inc.? Feb 16 19:33
Goblin but I think the biggest threat to MS comes not from one distro in particular but Wine. Feb 16 19:33
MinceR IBM? Feb 16 19:33
_doug A multimedia offering with subscription services, movies, games, ecommerce .. Feb 16 19:34
_doug I mean they alread have the manufacturing and distribution chain .. Feb 16 19:34
_doug what do you think, benJIman ? Feb 16 19:34
Goblin afterall its a major selling point for Windows to claim that the software people run will only do so through Windows….Wine changes that… Feb 16 19:34
_doug IBM got out of the way of the SCO lawsuit .. Feb 16 19:35
Goblin and doug…I believe the pay per use patent will be pimped in the MS stores with discounted hardware (similar to the way mobilephone stores operate) Feb 16 19:35
_doug MAybe a Lenovo/Novell merger ? Feb 16 19:36
_doug Yahoo/Novell ? Feb 16 19:36
Goblin If Novell hadnt jumped into bed with MS, I believe they would now be where Canonical is. Feb 16 19:37
_doug Lenovo/Yahoo/Novell .. most business eventually settle on a handfull of players. Take a look at the car industry .. Feb 16 19:37
schestowitz BBC acqured by MS Feb 16 19:37
Goblin lol Feb 16 19:37
_doug I see the iPlayer being privatized, maybe by Murdock .. Feb 16 19:38
Goblin maybe they could cast Ballmer for the next Dr Who Feb 16 19:38
MinceR lol Feb 16 19:38
schestowitz http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419-indust… http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/02/bb… Feb 16 19:38
MinceR nuking the fridge? Feb 16 19:38
Goblin or he could be the new “Master” and travel through time shilling Vista. Feb 16 19:38
_doug http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/content/images… Feb 16 19:39
Goblin I thought Canonical and the BBC were working together on a project? Feb 16 19:39
schestowitz Goblin: agreed re: Canonica, Novell Feb 16 19:39
_doug Times are sure tough .. Feb 16 19:40
_doug http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?… Feb 16 19:40
Goblin Just been messing around with NASM. Its been a while since I hit the cold pizza and assembly… Feb 16 19:41
_doug Canonical got the iPlayer working on Linux .. Feb 16 19:41
_doug http://ubuntuland.nireblog.com/post/2008/11/0… Feb 16 19:41
schestowitz Heck, I’ll just do another RHEL post right now Feb 16 19:42
schestowitz :-) Feb 16 19:42
trmanco oh crap Feb 16 19:42
trmanco not again Feb 16 19:43
trmanco “Unable to retrieve MSN Address Book” Feb 16 19:43
trmanco it is back online again Feb 16 19:47
trmanco maybe it got hit by a worm, overloaded the CPU and continuous disk thrashing did this (server) :-P Feb 16 19:48
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Goblin Great piece of news…if you didnt know…. Feb 16 19:49
Goblin remember the godawful and anooying Clippy character from MS Word? Feb 16 19:50
Goblin hes back: Feb 16 19:50
Goblin http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/… Feb 16 19:50
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mib_ziff24 wtf wat is this about here Feb 16 19:50
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Goblin ? Feb 16 19:51
trmanco LOL Feb 16 19:52
Goblin I dont know about anyone else, but Clippy is certainly the image to beat fashionable Apple products with. Feb 16 19:53
MinceR http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple… Feb 16 19:53
Goblin Hes just so “with it” Feb 16 19:53
MinceR so much about apple’s FUD Feb 16 19:54
MinceR also, the “whoever wins… we lose” tagline is quite fitting Feb 16 19:54
Goblin I think these type of issues are great.  They highlight the complete impotence of patents and IMO will ultimately lead to their abolishment. (IMO) Feb 16 19:55
_doug gtg .. Feb 16 19:55
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Goblin cya Feb 16 19:56
schestowitz OK Feb 16 20:06
schestowitz Done, proofreading now :0) Feb 16 20:06
Goblin having a conversation with the user “Windows7center” on Twitter. Feb 16 20:07
schestowitz trmanco: MS servers have been down a lot recently. Feb 16 20:07
schestowitz Goblin, trmanco  yes, it’s funny when people use MIB to just come in, curse, then sod off. Feb 16 20:08
schestowitz mib_eh1thj: it’s about lawyers, not about us engineers. The propaganda is sourced from them when they liaised with monopolies and loners like nathanm Feb 16 20:09
Goblin Roy, does the name Michael Dees mean anything to you (or anyone here) Feb 16 20:09
trmanco I wish IRC had killfile support Feb 16 20:09
Goblin he posts as Nknow on MSwatch, and he follows Andre Da Costa on Twitter. Feb 16 20:10
schestowitz trmanco: who for? Feb 16 20:12
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schestowitz who is dees? Feb 16 20:12
trmanco to filter out some mibs Feb 16 20:12
trmanco http://www.omnia-online.org/index0.asp Feb 16 20:12
schestowitz http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0214416/ Feb 16 20:12
Goblin its ok, just wondering if you had come across the name before… Feb 16 20:13
Goblin Ive a little portfolio on his “activities” Feb 16 20:13
schestowitz “”The Simpsons” …. ‘New York, New York’ singer (2 episodes, 1997-2006)” Feb 16 20:13
schestowitz Goblin: I haven’t, no.. Feb 16 20:13
Goblin np Feb 16 20:13
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schestowitz i have an update coming Feb 16 21:10
schestowitz another one coming… Here, with video too: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/16/w… Feb 16 21:11
schestowitz Folowup in a way to http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/16/red-hat-… Feb 16 21:11
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schestowitz Microsoft admit Windows Mobile stinks and imitates Palm OS? Newton? Psion.. Blackberry? http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/ar… Feb 16 21:14
schestowitz Look ma! No “Start” menu Feb 16 21:14
schestowitz http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/02/16/netb… (Netbooks killing off sickly Windows PC sales) .. Mac site don’t like uttering the L word…. Feb 16 21:22
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trmanco Poll Follow Up: What is Your Preferredooks_killing_off_sickly_windows_pc_sales.html Browser?: http://davidwalsh.name/preferred-browser-fu Feb 16 21:45
trmanco por IE Feb 16 21:45
trmanco poor* Feb 16 21:46
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schestowitz Not really poor. IE is a bastard that deliberately broke parts of the Web. Feb 16 21:49
trmanco it is still breaking the web Feb 16 21:50
schestowitz It’s another Zune: “”It’s a mouthful to say, ‘You want a Windows Mobile phone?’” Ballmer said when asked about the decision to once again re-brand the OS, which has over the years been known as Windows CE and Pocket PC.” http://www.pcworld.com/article/159608/microsoft_p… Feb 16 21:52
schestowitz They’re not even sure how to combine Danger, Zune, WM, Vista… what a total mess of disparate sw. With Linux, you have pertinent packages to built an OS with… Microsoft is still messing about with dough, not lego bricks. Feb 16 21:53
schestowitz *build Feb 16 21:53
MinceR afaik they’ve found the right way for danger Feb 16 21:53
MinceR they’re moving to netbsd there :> Feb 16 21:53
schestowitz Will they still get code? Feb 16 21:54
schestowitz Re: Red Hat deal: Feb 16 21:54
schestowitz “regarding the patent FUD.. I wonder if it might be just Steve Ballmer (and maybe select few others) that are doing it because they’re just kinda stuck in the old ages.. and looking at Microsoft it’s a pretty huge group of people with complex contractual relationships between them.. one man saying something doesn’t necessarily imply actual future action..” Feb 16 21:54
schestowitz “though that’s kinda long topic.. I’m reminded of that because we here, a bunch of us being voluntaryists and anarcho-capitalists, see government for example, as less than an “entity”, as just a group of people” Feb 16 21:54
schestowitz “so a president saying something doesn’t necessarily equal to a “government” saying something” Feb 16 21:54
schestowitz “so same could be said of corporations” Feb 16 21:54
schestowitz “maybe the criticism should sometimes zero in more specifically at particular individuals making the statement rather than the whole organization, that’s what I mean” Feb 16 21:54
schestowitz “Target Ballmer, not MS” Feb 16 21:54
schestowitz “Also one thing that crossed my mind a while ago is that this recession/depression could make it all the more expensive to try petty lawsuits, especially in an area as volatile as software patents” Feb 16 21:54
schestowitz “making it far more likely for any threat to be an empty one” Feb 16 21:54
MinceR i’d target both Feb 16 21:55
MinceR both have to die Feb 16 21:55
schestowitz I included a video of Ballmer threatening Red Hat and its customers right here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/16/w… (end of 2007). Feb 16 21:55
schestowitz But you know what they say… the New Microsoff(R). Remember the OOXML corruptions? Their PR machine is still fooling the masses, thanks to lackey journos Feb 16 21:56
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MinceR well, doing any kind of business with m$ is folly Feb 16 21:57
MinceR the only choice they leave to the rest of the world is utterly destroying m$. Feb 16 21:58
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schestowitz Turns out we could speed up BN.. “There seem to be some bad network problems today, but not specific to, but affecting your site.  While I am waiting for the problems to blow over, I notice that with the reduced speed the rendering of BoycottNovell is very slow, in part due to the pictures. e.g <img src=”/boycottnovell.banner.468×60.png” alt=”Boycott Novell” />” Feb 16 22:02
schestowitz “Notice that all your image elements could use proper HEIGHT and WIDTH attributes. e.g. <img src=”/boycottnovell.banner.468×60.png”width=”468″ height=”60″ alt=”Boycott Novell” />” Feb 16 22:02
schestowitz “The attributes must match the actual dimensions of the image to realize the full potential.  If you have all of your pictures done this way, you will see a very, very large increase in the subjective speed the pages become available to the end user.” Feb 16 22:02
schestowitz http://www.thecaq.org/newsroom/pdfs/200…  ”[C]hanging financial accounting standards because of valuation challenges is not the way to solve regulatory capital problems. Retreating from fair value in response to political pressure would raise suspicions that the rules were changed in order to falsely inflate asset values. We must avoid a further crisis of investor confidence in our government an Feb 16 22:10
schestowitz d the regulatory bodies overseeing those institutions.” Feb 16 22:10
schestowitz Oh boy… British, French nuclear submarines collide in Atlantic < http://www.itwire.com/content/vie… > Feb 16 22:15
schestowitz “The HMS Vanguard, classified as S28, is a uranium-fueled pressurized water reactor submarine within the British Royal Navy. It contains nuclear missiles of the class called Trident ballistic missile.” Feb 16 22:15
schestowitz Nuclear subs collide in Atlantic < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7892294.stm >. I think the British submarine runs Windows. Maybe it got some malware on the sonar system :-S Feb 16 22:16
PetoKraus the sonar system was, obviously, turned off Feb 16 22:17
PetoKraus they are SSBN’s Feb 16 22:17
PetoKraus anyway Feb 16 22:18
*PetoKraus np: Genesis – Firth Of Fifth (Selling England By The Pound) Feb 16 22:18
PetoKraus good night ;) Feb 16 22:18
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23279/1075/ “People of central Texas reported Sunday morning, February 15, 2009, that they saw ‘fireballs’ streaking across their local skies. Many onlookers thought it was debris from two communications satellites that collided in space earlier in the week. However, officials with the U.S. Air Force Space Command said No.” Feb 16 22:18
*MinceR is listening to: Machinae Supremacy – Redeemer (Retail Edition) – Elite Feb 16 22:22
*schestowitz has been listening to the same track for 2 hours Feb 16 22:23
schestowitz < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/16/y… > Yahoo Shuts Down One of Three Bookmarking Services        ”We are streamlining our bookmark services. As part of this effort Yahoo! will be shutting down MyWeb on March 18, 2009 and moving users to Yahoo! Bookmarks. “ Feb 16 22:25
schestowitz Don’t worry, buddy, put yo’ links on the ‘cloud’ :-) Feb 16 22:25
schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/16/is… “At the time of this writing, Sean’s Top Ten list has 629 Diggs, with 165 comments. A number of those comments express concern about digging the story for fear of digging their own graves.” Feb 16 22:26
schestowitz I used to be ranked 17th in the whole of Digg. Feb 16 22:26
schestowitz http://digg.com/linux_unix/Red_Hat_Microsoft… Feb 16 22:27
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schestowitz http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100000056… Feb 16 22:33
schestowitz From ComputerWorld: “Just look at MS history!! It’s there, google around four five minutes and look at old and present anti-trust cases and other court cases. They even have an internal MS term called anti-linux task force..for gods sake.” hehe. They read BN (Wal-Mart) Feb 16 22:37
trmanco old -> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/99/0… Feb 16 22:43
trmanco but why is it running MS/IIS .NET crap? Feb 16 22:43
trmanco now Feb 16 22:44
schestowitz Gordon BroMS Feb 16 22:46
schestowitz A friend of mine from the gym met his come months ago… said he smelt like a toilet and has a maid or something just combing his hair in the hotel room all day. Feb 16 22:47
schestowitz *some Feb 16 22:47
schestowitz De Menezes family to sue as police escape charges < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/feb/14/jean-… > Feb 16 23:02
schestowitz http://www.prwatch.org/node/8213 “Former Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy James Glassman — who previously hosted the “journo-lobbying” site Tech Central Station — also supported what he called “Public Diplomacy 2.0.” “ Feb 16 23:06
schestowitz AAI: “Summary of Translation of Intel Decision by Korea Fair Trade Commission” < http://www.antitrustinstitute.org/Arch… > Feb 16 23:21
schestowitz “Dell’s Inspiron Mini 9 Netbooks running Windows XP and Ubuntu are on sale. But US newspaper advertisements from Dell and Best Buy show Dell’s Windows XP netbooks to be a far better bargain than Dell netbooks with Ubuntu Linux. Here are the details.” http://www.workswithu.com/2009/02/16/dell-… Feb 16 23:41
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