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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 21st, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:08 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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oiaohm http://www.ohesso.com/essays/essay006.htm  Cat agree to EULA some people are going nuts. Feb 21 04:05
*schestowitz rreads Feb 21 04:08
oiaohm Number 1 it don’t legally hold because it was not a random event. Feb 21 04:09
oiaohm Ie you set it up for the cat to do it so you are aggreeing. Feb 21 04:09
oiaohm Now question what happens in case of keyboard malfunction or some thing else random should be asked. Feb 21 04:10
schestowitz It’s cure (the cat thing) Feb 21 04:13
schestowitz My cat OKed my EULA and my dog ate my homework, your honour Feb 21 04:13
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oiaohm My keyboard was malfunctioning at the time I installed that. Feb 21 04:17
oiaohm Might work.  You would kind have to prove that it was not. Feb 21 04:17
schestowitz You? Feb 21 04:19
oiaohm Sorry I am too use to doing talks to software producers on legal loop holes. Feb 21 04:20
oiaohm that could render there licences null and void. Feb 21 04:20
oiaohm Some get upset when they get told don’t bother looking for a loop hole in GPL.   Without agreeing you cannot do anything.   Because its the only thing that gives you the right to ship it. Feb 21 04:21
schestowitz Is that your cat? Feb 21 04:25
oiaohm Nop Feb 21 04:25
schestowitz Oh, I thought you’d aid somethiing else Feb 21 04:26
oiaohm Just something I found in my travels around the net. Feb 21 04:26
oiaohm Some day I should try to write the most evil EULA that could ever be created. Feb 21 04:26
oiaohm Just for fun. Feb 21 04:27
oiaohm Wonder if you can legally get away with a program where you have to pay twice the last ammount every month. Feb 21 04:31
oiaohm Starting at 1 dollar. Feb 21 04:31
oiaohm In 3 years you are stuffed for sure. Feb 21 04:32
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ZiggyFish hello Feb 21 07:25
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schestowitz This post must have hit a nerve. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/20/nov… Feb 21 10:21
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oiaohm_ Yep its hitting a nerve everywhere. Feb 21 10:34
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schestowitz “Dan”‘s response regarding where he lives was funny. We have Novell employee commenting from the novell.com domain, but also from around that area :-D Feb 21 10:38
oiaohm_ The thing that will be drawing them out novell stories are starting to be replcated. Feb 21 10:40
oiaohm_ SUSE Crisis Watch is current comment off. Feb 21 10:41
oiaohm_ I guess you choose to do that schestowitz Feb 21 10:41
schestowitz YEs. Feb 21 10:43
oiaohm_ You might have to rename you blog if Novell goes belly up. Feb 21 10:45
schestowitz Not really Feb 21 10:46
schestowitz It’s just a name…. Feb 21 11:06
schestowitz Facebook Boots Off Almost 5600 Sex Offenders; Don’t You Feel Safer Now? < http://techdirt.com/articles/200902… > Feb 21 11:06
oiaohm_ How many days before they are back. Feb 21 11:07
schestowitz They’ll move to another place. Feb 21 11:13
schestowitz Same with drug dealers and prostitutes on Craigslist. You can stop them by just clogging up one among tens/hundreds of sites. Feb 21 11:14
schestowitz Microsoft promoted his mafia extortion-like head. Feb 21 11:17
schestowitz http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micros… http://www.pcworld.com/article/159960/microsoft_pr… “[H]e also has been a proponent of controversial cross-patent licensing agreements that Microsoft has struck with companies as a way to derive revenue from its extensive patent portfolio.” Feb 21 11:17
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schestowitz Good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q62Q… Feb 21 11:41
trmanco Wow Feb 21 11:58
trmanco I’m using git right now with git-gui… it is very powerful Feb 21 11:59
schestowitz The project is named after Linus Feb 21 11:59
schestowitz Like Linux (says he) Feb 21 11:59
oiaohm_ Ok good video misses one key point most people these days cannot read the bible and understand it. Feb 21 12:01
oiaohm_ Terms used in it have changed with time. Feb 21 12:01
oiaohm_ Hell is a miss translation of the ancent word for garbage dump.   Would not read that well if it was corrected. Feb 21 12:02
schestowitz Yes Feb 21 12:02
schestowitz Imistakenly linked to part 2 (out of 7) Feb 21 12:02
oiaohm_ Ok minorlly out burning garbage dump. Feb 21 12:02
oiaohm_ Not a place I would ever want to be.  Lot of churches you still here the firm and brimstone bit. Feb 21 12:03
oiaohm_ There is no brimstone in hell. Feb 21 12:03
trmanco git push Feb 21 12:08
trmanco Counting objects: 8, done. Feb 21 12:08
trmanco Compressing objects: 100% (4/4), done. Feb 21 12:08
trmanco Writing objects: 100% (6/6), 565 bytes, done. Feb 21 12:08
trmanco Total 6 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0) Feb 21 12:08
trmanco To git@github.com:trmanco/test.git Feb 21 12:08
trmanco    3d47db7..ace3eb3  master -> master Feb 21 12:08
trmanco hehehehe Feb 21 12:08
trmanco c00l Feb 21 12:08
MinceR geekings Feb 21 13:06
oiaohm_ http://www.quiri.com/QH/QH_ENG/qh…  Watch the video it has no sound I think someone was playing too much janaga. Feb 21 13:28
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schestowitz http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne… “After two days of picketing and vociferous protests, the New York Post has apologised for printing a cartoon that was interpreted by some readers as comparing America’s first black President to a crazed and violent ape.” Feb 21 15:04
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schestowitz Here is an article that casts “server” as “cloud” (because it’s more hype-worthy): http://news.cnet.com/8301-19413_3… Feb 21 15:32
schestowitz I’ve heard it from a reliable source that Phelps failed to ‘sell’ a patent deal to Red Hat (Horacio Gutierrez has just been promoted BTW), so it’s possible that Microsoft is letting the Novell plot go down the can (not without getting the Moonlight/Mono infection inside GNU/Linux) while trying to coerce Red Hat customers somehow. Feb 21 15:37
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schestowitz Why is Asay sucking up to this patent bully? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10168256-16.html Feb 21 15:38
MinceR because he’s a corporate bitch Feb 21 15:38
schestowitz *whisper* *crickets* Feb 21 15:40
schestowitz He’s like Chamberlain Feb 21 15:40
schestowitz http://onemansthoughts.wordpress.com/2008/09/ Feb 21 15:41
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MinceR http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?… Feb 21 15:48
MinceR lulz Feb 21 15:48
schestowitz Everything he submits to Slashdot (Matt Asay) his buddy Rob Malda accepts blindly.  http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9791710-7.html Feb 21 16:01
MinceR the joke is on him now Feb 21 16:02
MinceR his beloved crApple is so closed it makes Monkey Boy cry Feb 21 16:02
schestowitz Microsoft has just pulled its corruption in Catalonia Feb 21 16:07
*schestowitz does a post about it Feb 21 16:07
schestowitz Apple hardly shoots down migrations to Linux Feb 21 16:08
schestowitz We need to focus on Bigger Criminals first Feb 21 16:08
MinceR i’m not sure we can let them grow to become the second microsoft after the first one dies. Feb 21 16:09
MinceR especially considering that they’re worse in some ways Feb 21 16:10
schestowitz Did you see http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/2… ? Feb 21 16:14
MinceR not yet Feb 21 16:15
trmanco the troll got owned -> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.a… Feb 21 16:16
trmanco schestowitz, you are getting attacked again Feb 21 16:19
trmanco you must be doing something right, have you noticed? Feb 21 16:19
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?… If any of these can be turned to full texts (not just snippets), then we can post away. Feb 21 16:19
schestowitz I didn’t see. Let’s check. Feb 21 16:20
trmanco 3 spam posts with 2 minute interval on the first two Feb 21 16:21
schestowitz Gary’s/Microsoft’s having a tantrum. Feb 21 16:22
schestowitz Microsoft is a dying company. Windows margins approach 9. Feb 21 16:22
schestowitz *0 (not 9) Feb 21 16:22
schestowitz trmanco: let me show you something Feb 21 16:23
schestowitz MS does in Catalonia what it did in Protugal. Feb 21 16:23
schestowitz See if you spot typos.. Feb 21 16:24
trmanco where? Feb 21 16:24
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/… Feb 21 16:26
schestowitz This mirrors EXACTLY what they did in Portugal. Maybe I suggest that you mail this to friends of yours so that they learn what Microsoft does to them and why? Feb 21 16:26
trmanco I’ll read it Feb 21 16:29
trmanco My email friends don’t care Feb 21 16:29
trmanco I don’t have these kind of friends… maybe my followers at Identi.ca will be interested Feb 21 16:29
trmanco cool, just read it Feb 21 16:31
schestowitz We have at least one reader that I know of from Catalonia. Feb 21 16:31
schestowitz Time for some more Catalonian anarchy… http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=e… Feb 21 16:32
trmanco http://identi.ca/notice/2415346 Feb 21 16:33
schestowitz Cool. thanls. is is.gd for tracking? Feb 21 16:34
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trmanco schestowitz, no, it is a url shortening service Feb 21 16:38
trmanco Gwibber does this automatically Feb 21 16:38
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schestowitz trmanco: what if the service goes down 5 years from now? Feb 21 16:47
schestowitz All your references become utterly bunk. Feb 21 16:48
trmanco link lost Feb 21 16:48
schestowitz No way to even put it into Web Archive Feb 21 16:48
schestowitz I’d advised against putting just the short one, but I understand why people use it nonetheless Feb 21 16:48
trmanco haven’t thought if this Feb 21 16:48
schestowitz I use my postings from years ago to identify things I used to know. Feb 21 16:48
trmanco of* Feb 21 16:48
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schestowitz bbl Feb 21 17:15
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balzac Hewlitt Packard – I can’t say enough bad things about their computers Feb 21 18:14
balzac crap hardware, crap software Feb 21 18:14
balzac dumb little consumer-grade buttons for email, “Club HP” getting in the way of function keys. Feb 21 18:15
balzac It’s like their computer was designed by the marketing department who don’t know how to use computers. Feb 21 18:15
balzac Carli fiorini was bad for HP. Feb 21 18:15
balzac And don’t get me started about all their craptastic software bundled with the world’s lamest operating system, Windows. Feb 21 18:16
balzac What happened to that venerable technology company? It’s unrecognizable. Feb 21 18:17
balzac Well, the NYSE deal is good news for HP Feb 21 18:18
balzac It’s not all bad Feb 21 18:18
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mib_eudnsk Is there a good executive summary, with references, of Feb 21 18:39
mib_eudnsk the harrassment that MS persecutes against public and Feb 21 18:39
mib_eudnsk private figures? Feb 21 18:39
balzac mib_eudnsk: I have not compiled such a thing Feb 21 18:40
balzac I have witnessed the harassment of Novell-sympathetic astro-turfers ganging up against schestowitz Feb 21 18:40
mib_eudnsk I’ve read about and even seen many myself, Feb 21 18:42
balzac mib_eudnsk: if you want an executive summary, you may be the one whose calling it is to write it. Feb 21 18:42
mib_eudnsk but I’m really looking for a ready-to-use summary Feb 21 18:42
balzac I don’t write executive summaries because I don’t give a rat’s ass about convincing any executives. Feb 21 18:43
mib_eudnsk normally I don’t either Feb 21 18:43
balzac I’m building my own company to compete as well as I can. Feb 21 18:44
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mib_eudnsk i’m consulting for three groups that seem to have Feb 21 18:46
mib_eudnsk started getting the ‘treatment’ Feb 21 18:46
mib_eudnsk some of the execs have gone bad Feb 21 18:46
mib_eudnsk but the real trouble is from a handful of moles Feb 21 18:46
mib_eudnsk at each site Feb 21 18:46
balzac interesting Feb 21 18:52
balzac Enterpise companies getting the nipple-clamps from Microsoft? Feb 21 18:52
balzac The old high-heel on the scrotum from Steve Ballmer? Feb 21 18:53
balzac jk Feb 21 18:53
mib_eudnsk not quite that direct Feb 21 18:53
balzac I’m guessing these companies have a heterogenous software environment Feb 21 18:53
mib_eudnsk but a number of gold partners or former gold partners Feb 21 18:53
mib_eudnsk doing their mischief Feb 21 18:53
balzac what operating systems in what proportions? Feb 21 18:53
balzac It’s a tricky situation to deal with Feb 21 18:54
balzac Last time I was in such a situation, my language was not diplomatic enough and my strategy was not Machiavelian. Feb 21 18:55
balzac I isolated myself from using strong language against the proprietary unix from Sun. Feb 21 18:56
balzac I was pushing for Redhat instead. Feb 21 18:56
mib_eudnsk i’ve run into it before, they ask for reports, and one wastes time Feb 21 18:56
mib_eudnsk making the reports and/or investigations Feb 21 18:56
mib_eudnsk and not working on the deployments Feb 21 18:56
balzac My problem was that I was having to work too hard to stay cool-headed. Feb 21 18:56
balzac getting burdened with tedious work is not helpful Feb 21 18:57
mib_eudnsk Regarding cool-headed, the gold partners have Feb 21 18:57
mib_eudnsk no qualms about lying while smiling Feb 21 18:57
balzac Next time I’ll be in better position Feb 21 18:57
mib_eudnsk execs only see the smile Feb 21 18:57
balzac well, they’ve got the financial backing, so it’s easier to stay cool Feb 21 18:57
balzac here’s my website for my company (not yet incorporated) Feb 21 18:58
balzac http://www.disruptech.com Feb 21 18:58
balzac My plan is to offer what I call “friendly or internal software license audits” Feb 21 18:59
balzac to see how many proprietary software licenses can be dropped, not renewed, replaced with free software Feb 21 18:59
balzac and get a commission on savings Feb 21 18:59
balzac I’ll be an “anti-salesman” Feb 21 18:59
mib_eudnsk audit only works with cooperation, gold partners seem to rather die Feb 21 18:59
balzac “don’t buy this, don’t buy that, slash your IT budget spending on software licenses. Feb 21 19:00
mib_eudnsk than see any non-MS products whether closed or open source Feb 21 19:00
mib_eudnsk licenses are only a small part of the savings, Feb 21 19:00
mib_eudnsk operational costs for FOSS are usually only a small fraction of MSFT Feb 21 19:00
balzac well, the economy is hurting companies – I need to find a company desparate to save money. Feb 21 19:00
mib_eudnsk many, however, will not be making tech decisions based on economics Feb 21 19:01
mib_eudnsk but rather on ideology Feb 21 19:01
balzac well, then they can go out of business Feb 21 19:01
mib_eudnsk I’ve seen a few European banks lose *lots* of money … Feb 21 19:01
mib_eudnsk yeah, many will go out of business, but even on the way out Feb 21 19:01
balzac lots of companies have gone out of business already Feb 21 19:01
mib_eudnsk it will be denial from execs regarding the ineffectiveness MSFT products bring Feb 21 19:02
balzac let these companies cling to M$ Vista as they let out their death rattle Feb 21 19:02
balzac I’ll be using Open Office instead Feb 21 19:02
balzac Ubuntu and Redhat Feb 21 19:03
mib_eudnsk yeah, but its not nice to see people lose their because the company closed Feb 21 19:04
balzac what’s your strategy to deal with these stubborn people? Feb 21 19:04
mib_eudnsk haven’t decided yet Feb 21 19:04
balzac well, if it opens up market space for my company to operate within, I’m not going to worry about people who fetishize archaic software licenses. Feb 21 19:05
balzac But yeah, it is not nice to see people losing their jobs Feb 21 19:07
balzac I have a slogan – keep your people, change your software Feb 21 19:07
balzac I make the case that software vendors should not be so influential within a given company Feb 21 19:08
balzac and that people ought not to be hired or fired on the basis of a given product Feb 21 19:08
balzac if you’re a systems administrator, hopefully you have some transferable skills and can be re-trained for a new OS Feb 21 19:09
balzac I’m hoping to disarm resistance within a client company by not being seen as a threat to people’s jobs. Feb 21 19:10
balzac I want to be the grim reaper of proprietary software licenses, not people’s jobs. Feb 21 19:10
balzac I should put that on my website Feb 21 19:11
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trmanco LOL, Microsoft has its own version control system (didn’t know) Feb 21 19:30
schestowitz I missed a good talk Feb 21 19:37
schestowitz moles list Feb 21 19:37
schestowitz how typical… and smears Feb 21 19:37
schestowitz They got bbc-ed Feb 21 19:37
schestowitz trmanco: making these is not too much work Feb 21 19:38
schestowitz case of point: git tovalds Feb 21 19:38
schestowitz *rvalds Feb 21 19:38
trmanco http://www-cs-students.stan… Feb 21 19:40
trmanco I’m reading this right now Feb 21 19:40
schestowitz hm. Feb 21 19:41
schestowitz ms shareholders just mailed me… Feb 21 19:41
schestowitz let me read… it’s long  :-) Feb 21 19:41
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schestowitz I’ll paste it here anonymised Feb 21 19:44
schestowitz Turns out Microsoft is in damage control too Feb 21 19:45
schestowitz They realise that people are up to what they do……. Feb 21 19:45
schestowitz ============= Feb 21 19:45
schestowitz “This email is in regards to a post that was discovered at Boycott Novell. It makes reference to a shareholder activist campaign and its progress.” Feb 21 19:45
schestowitz “Activists use various strategies to effect change. Ironfire Capital created a “Plan B” for Yahoo and through the Internet using blogs, wiki’s and youtube effected change. In mid-December 2008 we launched a similar strategy. The intention was to use a blog to rally support.” Feb 21 19:45
schestowitz “The blog component was and is simply a tool. After the campaign it will be abandoned. Therefore, focusing on changing a URL spelling was trivial.” Feb 21 19:45
schestowitz “The campaign has however attracted a report at Microsoft SubNet located at both http://www.networworld.com/community/node/37991 and also  http://www.networkworld.com/community… Feb 21 19:45
schestowitz “It has also attracted attention from a Microsoft employee who can be located at http://channel9.msdn.com/forums/Cof… Feb 21 19:45
schestowitz “We are also in discussions with hedge funds and other large shareholders concerning the campaign.” Feb 21 19:45
schestowitz “The next post for Microsoft SubNet will include a article from a large shareholder. The reports are also being forwared to other media companies.” Feb 21 19:45
schestowitz “Thought that you should be aware of the campaign and its real progress.” Feb 21 19:45
trmanco lkml.org is down? Feb 21 19:48
schestowitz download.opensuse.org was too Feb 21 19:48
schestowitz brb (shower Feb 21 19:49
trmanco news campain? Feb 21 19:49
trmanco new/* Feb 21 19:49
schestowitz where? Feb 21 19:49
trmanco the email Feb 21 19:49
schestowitz yes Feb 21 19:49
schestowitz they pressure Feb 21 19:49
schestowitz like BN Feb 21 19:49
schestowitz They pressure the management Feb 21 19:49
trmanco good Feb 21 19:49
schestowitz they compare ballmer to madoff Feb 21 19:50
schestowitz California ban on violent video games killed on appeal < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/21/cali… > Feb 21 20:06
schestowitz http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/jan… Feb 21 20:09
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schestowitz *LOL* http://tirania.org/blog/arch… “This API needs to be moved into CodePlex or be available as an unsupported “PowerOverEngineeredPack.dll”.” So has Novell moved its hosting to Microsoft yet? Feb 21 20:15
balzac interesting email from ms shareholders Feb 21 20:48
balzac good shiyat Feb 21 20:48
schestowitz They are angry Feb 21 20:50
schestowitz They lost a fortune Feb 21 20:50
schestowitz You remember jose, right/ Feb 21 20:50
schestowitz ? Feb 21 20:50
balzac yeah Feb 21 20:50
balzac I’m listening to the barber of seville Feb 21 20:51
balzac good music to ponder big changes in the software market Feb 21 20:51
*schestowitz searches for a log Feb 21 20:52
schestowitz I think I found it: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/31/irc-l… Feb 21 20:54
schestowitz It’s about Microsoft’s tissue paper (money) campaign Feb 21 20:54
balzac lemme check it out Feb 21 20:56
balzac they all cook their books to a greater or lesser degree Feb 21 20:58
balzac that’s why I’ve been challenging those who are so wound up about Madoff Feb 21 20:59
balzac his biggest crime was not getting bailed out Feb 21 20:59
balzac It gives me hope for M$ to have a catastrophic collapse Feb 21 20:59
balzac but they have something real – a huge install base Feb 21 20:59
balzac I don’t think they can disappear quite as quickly as Bear Stearns, because M$ has some real substance, cooked-books or not. Feb 21 21:00
schestowitz balzac: they too say, “everyone’s doin’ it” Feb 21 21:01
schestowitz I don’t know if it’s a US-only problem (see Satyam for example), but the whole world of commerce is a huge inflated lies that relies on peer keeping their lies too Feb 21 21:02
balzac there’s hundreds of trillions of dollars worth of abstract, inter-dependent currencies Feb 21 21:03
schestowitz Madoff busted -> richest lady reportedly committing suicide -> banks collapse -> another massive fraudsters exposed -> business want to loot the public (stimulus)… Feb 21 21:03
balzac but the GPD for the whole world is estimated at 60 trillion Feb 21 21:03
schestowitz WHat about non-currency-based costs? Feb 21 21:04
balzac I don’t mean currencies literally Feb 21 21:04
balzac I’m not a finance guy, so I don’t know the right jargon Feb 21 21:04
schestowitz What about environmental capacity, sources of food, amount of land (diminishing), drinkable waters.. Feb 21 21:04
balzac I mean securities, stocks, hedge fund shares Feb 21 21:04
balzac most of its value is only loosely based on reality – it’s like a game of musical chairs Feb 21 21:05
schestowitz Over-inflation of assets is now a fact Feb 21 21:05
balzac when it’s time for everyone to take a seat, most of the people playing the game have no chair Feb 21 21:05
schestowitz The question is, how much? Who gave the debt? Feb 21 21:05
schestowitz What about ‘vacuums’ like Madoff’s creation? Feb 21 21:05
schestowitz balzac: I like the chair analogy (musical chairs) Feb 21 21:06
balzac Roy, one of Marx’s better insights in economic theory was about looking deeper than the shell-game of capitalism and seeing the material basis for the economy – workers and resources Feb 21 21:06
balzac you mentioned environmental capacity which is of primary importance Feb 21 21:07
schestowitz Will be. Feb 21 21:07
balzac the environment is ultimately the material basis for the economy, not even workers with machines and other non-organic resources Feb 21 21:07
schestowitz But for reasons people miss Feb 21 21:07
schestowitz Like globalisation, people don’t understand what the issue is. Feb 21 21:07
schestowitz In centralisation, it can mean return to feudalism. Feb 21 21:08
schestowitz In the case of environment, it can lead to terrorism very fast (thirst, refugees, natural disasters) Feb 21 21:08
schestowitz balzac: yes, the environment is like part of the financial ‘food chain; Feb 21 21:09
balzac yeah, things could start to look like that game with the scientist with the crow-ar Feb 21 21:09
schestowitz The farmer assumes he ‘owns’ the land Feb 21 21:09
balzac half life Feb 21 21:09
schestowitz Another person owns the farmer Feb 21 21:09
schestowitz Farmer feed wal-mart Feb 21 21:09
schestowitz Wal-mart owned by family… and so on and so forth Feb 21 21:09
balzac Monsanto is the Microsoft of genetic engineering Feb 21 21:09
balzac they make bad food Feb 21 21:09
balzac I had one of they’re fleshy tomatoes in my salad yesterday Feb 21 21:10
schestowitz When the chain can’t supply from the bottom, it all collapses. The fish in the sea do run out (“there are NOT plenty of fish in the sea”) Feb 21 21:10
balzac it has genes from grass-hoppers for connective tissue as well as anti-freeze genes from north sea fish Feb 21 21:10
schestowitz Gordon? Feb 21 21:10
schestowitz HL Feb 21 21:10
schestowitz They already ‘engineer’ chicken rather than growing it Feb 21 21:11
schestowitz Same with GM foods Feb 21 21:11
schestowitz Did you see how they grow chickens now? Feb 21 21:11
balzac no Feb 21 21:11
schestowitz Like these are machines.. Feb 21 21:11
schestowitz Hold onn.. Feb 21 21:11
balzac inside a very small cage, I suppose Feb 21 21:11
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008… Feb 21 21:11
balzac this guy I know refers to chickens as “cackle-fruit” Feb 21 21:11
schestowitz balzac: no, worse.. Feb 21 21:11
schestowitz It’s a one-hour show, but a good one.. Feb 21 21:11
balzac yeah, that is sick, sick, sick Feb 21 21:12
balzac I’ve seen clips of this, where their little beaks are clipped off by a cauterizing snipper Feb 21 21:13
balzac so they can’t damage each other Feb 21 21:13
balzac I shouldn’t eat it, but what should I eat instead? Feb 21 21:13
balzac eventually, there’ll be only “soylent green” if the Repugnicans have their way. Feb 21 21:14
balzac and it will be political dissidents who will be scooped up by the riot control scoops and fed into the grinder. Feb 21 21:14
balzac to feed the dim-witted cannibals who have no idea at first that they’re eating their fellow humans Feb 21 21:15
balzac and then it becomes common knowledge, but hunger prevails over shock and revulsion, and it is accepted like the cannibalism which has occurred in isolated places where food is lacking. Feb 21 21:16
balzac then when you reach retirement age (35), you’re considered obsolete and your protein is recycled Feb 21 21:17
balzac but the politicians would still have a long life-span Feb 21 21:17
schestowitz Here’s the issue Feb 21 21:17
balzac they would harvest the organs of children to extend their lives Feb 21 21:17
schestowitz The more efficiently food is made, the more baby boomers you get Feb 21 21:17
schestowitz Same in Africa. Feb 21 21:18
schestowitz Improve health, increase birth rate Feb 21 21:18
schestowitz Maybe it’s human’s nature. Feb 21 21:18
schestowitz The dinosaurs too used to roam the Earth Feb 21 21:18
balzac Somebody needs to file another class-action lawsuit against the catholic church Feb 21 21:18
balzac a friend and I were just talking about the environment yesterday Feb 21 21:18
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balzac the Police song “Walking in Your Foot Steps” came up Feb 21 21:19
schestowitz Lawsuit, eh? Feb 21 21:19
balzac “hey mighty brontosaurus, don’t you have a lesson for us?” Feb 21 21:19
schestowitz These hardly solve issues. Feb 21 21:19
schestowitz They feed lawyers. Feb 21 21:19
balzac well, there have already been class-action lawsuits against various diocese for all the buggary of children Feb 21 21:19
balzac lots of them Feb 21 21:20
balzac lawyers need to eat too, ya know Feb 21 21:20
balzac so anyway, a class-action lawsuit against the catholic church and various other churches for undermining crucial knowledge and access to birth control and disease prevention Feb 21 21:20
schestowitz People have mouths Feb 21 21:20
schestowitz They can speak for themselves Feb 21 21:21
balzac I agree Feb 21 21:21
schestowitz balzac: I’d rather not go face-to-face with religions.l Feb 21 21:21
schestowitz I can face corrupt officials Feb 21 21:21
balzac it’s important that people still excerise the right of self-representation in court Feb 21 21:21
schestowitz Not people who do things on God_X’s behalf Feb 21 21:21
balzac well, thankfully, there are people like Sam Harris Feb 21 21:22
schestowitz See what ESR got in his blog for example Feb 21 21:22
balzac author of “The End of Faith” Feb 21 21:22
schestowitz Or Scientology Cult… Feb 21 21:22
balzac I was meaning to mention about ESRs blog-craziness Feb 21 21:22
schestowitz I posted a video here this morning Feb 21 21:22
schestowitz From the author of “God is Not Great” Feb 21 21:22
balzac he’s linked to the “anti-idiotarian rottweiler” who is quite racist Feb 21 21:22
schestowitz Part 1 starts here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObvjdJrD… Feb 21 21:22
balzac Christopher Hitchens Feb 21 21:22
balzac great title Feb 21 21:22
balzac hehe Feb 21 21:22
balzac I really like his contrarian streak, though he can be a serious moron sometimes Feb 21 21:23
schestowitz It’s the best when it comes from people who grew up in religious backgrounds Feb 21 21:23
schestowitz Like [H]omer Feb 21 21:23
schestowitz Or Hitchens Feb 21 21:23
schestowitz Chomsky.. sorta. Feb 21 21:23
balzac Well, people need to “call a spade a spade” Feb 21 21:24
balzac Religious leaders ought to be directly challenged on the legitimacy of their roles within their religion Feb 21 21:24
balzac so a man is a preacher – does he think he knows “god” more than a layman? Feb 21 21:25
balzac or a bishop, pope, rabbi, guru Feb 21 21:25
balzac even the dalai lama Feb 21 21:25
balzac but I’d want to challenge Chinese imperialism in Tibet before I criticize the Dalai Lama Feb 21 21:26
balzac but how does the Dalai Lama go and meet with George Bush (who was occupying Iraq) to lobby him for support against the Chinese occupation of Tibet? Feb 21 21:26
balzac Wouldn’t it be ironic if Moqtada al Sadr went to China and lobbied Hu Jintao for support against Bush’s occupation of Iraq? Feb 21 21:27
schestowitz That would be risky Feb 21 21:28
schestowitz He would get ‘liberated’ Feb 21 21:28
balzac yeah, he wouldn’t do that Feb 21 21:28
balzac but maybe they can make an oil deal with china Feb 21 21:29
balzac get the USA off our backs and we’ll cut you a deal on oil Feb 21 21:29
balzac I’m just saying, the Dalai Lama really invited criticism and doubts about ‘his holiness’ when he met with Bush Feb 21 21:30
balzac Other Buddhists might have punched Bush in the nose instead of holding his hand Feb 21 21:30
balzac that might have been the “right action” for a “bodhisattva” Feb 21 21:31
schestowitz CHina deserves energy too Feb 21 21:31
balzac sure Feb 21 21:31
schestowitz But that would ruin the American empire Feb 21 21:31
balzac Chinese workers deserve income Feb 21 21:31
schestowitz That would enable them to do too much for too little($$) Feb 21 21:31
balzac well, thinks can’t change too quickly, or instability is the result Feb 21 21:31
schestowitz Population size must be policed Feb 21 21:32
schestowitz Otherwise there will be deaths Feb 21 21:32
balzac well, perhaps not “policed” Feb 21 21:32
schestowitz Choice: mass genocide or birth control Feb 21 21:32
schestowitz Pick one. Feb 21 21:32
balzac but incentives against copy-cats of the “octo-mom” Feb 21 21:32
balzac voluntary birth control, but strong peer pressure Feb 21 21:33
schestowitz The human population would be fine had there been only about 60 million of us Feb 21 21:33
balzac what it requires is that people are informed and equiped Feb 21 21:33
schestowitz How many elephants are there? Feb 21 21:33
schestowitz Like less than a million, right? Feb 21 21:33
schestowitz The Earth if densely populated not by people who ride horsies Feb 21 21:33
balzac I’d like more than 60,000,000. that’s the population of England Feb 21 21:33
schestowitz They drive massive (1-tonne) cars Feb 21 21:33
schestowitz balzac: spread through Feb 21 21:34
balzac I have to grab my laundry Feb 21 21:34
schestowitz That would also enable the rest of nature (nature!=human civilisation) to merely exist Feb 21 21:34
schestowitz In some places, even bugs are food. Feb 21 21:34
balzac brb Feb 21 21:34
balzac even mud Feb 21 21:34
schestowitz :-o Feb 21 21:34
balzac haiti, according to an article i read yesterday Feb 21 21:34
schestowitz Ewww… Feb 21 21:35
balzac mud cookies Feb 21 21:35
schestowitz Dude, I was just about to have dinner Feb 21 21:37
balzac bon appetie Feb 21 21:42
balzac appetite Feb 21 21:42
schestowitz No, oppsite rather. I’m trying to get this picture of rainy day and kids picking up ‘dinner’ off the ground for mom to cook. Feb 21 21:42
balzac just a little something to keep the belly from rumbling Feb 21 21:43
balzac you might get some nutrients from soil bacteria and fungi as well Feb 21 21:43
schestowitz Due! Feb 21 21:43
balzac there’s a little biomass in ther Feb 21 21:43
schestowitz *DuDe! Feb 21 21:43
schestowitz Take about it later. I’m running out of appetite here. Feb 21 21:44
balzac alright… Feb 21 21:44
balzac sorry Feb 21 21:44
balzac at least i’m not carrying on about soylent green Feb 21 21:44
balzac Roy, have a good weekend Feb 21 21:45
balzac Time to start prowling the neighborhood Feb 21 21:47
schestowitz Heh. Feb 21 21:48
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Balrog hello everyone Feb 21 22:24
schestowitz Hey, wb Feb 21 22:26
Balrog heard of the ‘mini-microsoft’ blog? I’m taking a look at it (note that I’m no friend of MS) Feb 21 22:30
Balrog the comments are quite interesting … lol Feb 21 22:31
schestowitz Yes Feb 21 22:32
schestowitz Gold mine sometimes Feb 21 22:32
schestowitz If you have the patience Feb 21 22:32
schestowitz Though it’s hard to verify authenticity Feb 21 22:32
schestowitz They speak of scandals there too Feb 21 22:32
Balrog I see. Feb 21 22:33
schestowitz Like MD of Microsoft India having an affair with one of his employees Feb 21 22:33
schestowitz And one taking a vacation he wasn’t supposed to…. Feb 21 22:33
Balrog heh. But is it confirm-able? Feb 21 22:33
schestowitz People who silently jump ship like two MS VPs Feb 21 22:33
schestowitz Balrog: hardly, if you cite the source Feb 21 22:33
schestowitz It’s hard to use “anonymous” comments as proof Feb 21 22:33
schestowitz You can ‘plant’ those Feb 21 22:34
Balrog that’s what I thought. Feb 21 22:34
schestowitz But they can serve as a clue to start separate investigation Feb 21 22:34
Balrog true. Feb 21 22:34
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Balrog interesting. Even though iWork has no ODF support, Apple’s TextEdit does Feb 21 22:37
Balrog (to open files) Feb 21 22:37
Balrog many people still use doc Feb 21 22:38
ZiggyFish to many Feb 21 22:39
Balrog yeah Feb 21 22:39
Balrog at least doc is compatible, unlike docx Feb 21 22:39
ZiggyFish true Feb 21 22:40
Balrog why do they even have to change the format? why not release the doc spec? Feb 21 22:40
schestowitz Balrog: Apple is not serious about it Feb 21 22:41
schestowitz Apple is not a threat to Microsoft; not much anyway Feb 21 22:41
schestowitz Microsoft uses Apple (and vice versa) Feb 21 22:41
ZiggyFish as with anything microsoft, they _HAVE TO_ compete, so they created docx to compete with ODF Feb 21 22:41
Balrog probably not Feb 21 22:41
Balrog they only care that stuff works for people that use it Feb 21 22:41
schestowitz Their scare is to do with things like SaaS and free software that builds SaaS Feb 21 22:41
Balrog true. Feb 21 22:41
schestowitz Oracle would probably want to be a driver of SaaS with Linux Feb 21 22:41
schestowitz But MySQL is pretty popular there. Feb 21 22:42
schestowitz Among other things.. Feb 21 22:42
Balrog I see. Feb 21 22:42
MinceR i wouldn’t call that “competing” Feb 21 22:42
ZiggyFish schestowitz: got a new HTC dream mobile phone yesterday, (absolutely amazing) Feb 21 22:42
Balrog By the way, iWork can’t export OOXML Feb 21 22:42
Balrog it can only import it Feb 21 22:42
MinceR it’s more of trying to make everyone else in the field of IT unable to conduct business Feb 21 22:42
schestowitz ZiggyFish: I saw G1. Feb 21 22:42
ZiggyFish MinceR: agreed Feb 21 22:42
Balrog yeah. Feb 21 22:42
Balrog ZiggyFish: G1? Feb 21 22:43
schestowitz Is this another Android that’s just reached Aussie? I think I read about it last month. Feb 21 22:43
Balrog ahh … dream is android Feb 21 22:43
Balrog yes that’s the one Feb 21 22:43
ZiggyFish Balrog: it’s australias version of G1 Feb 21 22:43
schestowitz http://www.t-mobileg1.com/ Feb 21 22:43
Balrog yeah Feb 21 22:43
Balrog it’s hard to get root on them though Feb 21 22:44
Balrog so you have the tivo-ization problem Feb 21 22:44
Balrog (doesn’t the GPL3 prevent that though?) Feb 21 22:44
ZiggyFish Balrog: the android platform is not under GPL (it’s under Apache) Feb 21 22:45
Balrog ah. But what about the kernel? Feb 21 22:45
PetoKraus http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009… Feb 21 22:45
PetoKraus this is worth linking Feb 21 22:45
ZiggyFish Balrog: not sure Feb 21 22:46
Balrog ok. Feb 21 22:46
ZiggyFish but it does run the 2.6.25 kernel (as it says  it does in Setting->About phone->Kernel Version Feb 21 22:48
Balrog that’s GPLv2 Feb 21 22:48
Balrog schestowitz: do you have a reference for “iPhone engineers wanted to pick Linux for the iPhone” because I want to read that Feb 21 22:49
Balrog I don’t know if porting Cocoa to Linux would have been simple or easy Feb 21 22:50
ZiggyFish they have ported nes games to the android Feb 21 22:50
schestowitz Balrog: yes, I can find it Feb 21 22:50
Balrog ok. Feb 21 22:50
schestowitz I think I can find it again. 2 articles Feb 21 22:51
Balrog ok. Feb 21 22:51
schestowitz One in Wired, IIRC (the original) Feb 21 22:51
Balrog I see. Feb 21 22:51
Balrog having two separate codebases isn’t always great Feb 21 22:51
schestowitz Found one: http://junauza.blogspot.com/2008/01/lin… Feb 21 22:52
schestowitz “Apple software engineers looked carefully at Linux” Feb 21 22:52
schestowitz “But, Linux on iPhone was  denied by Steve Jobs for the reason that he do not want to utilize someone else’s software” Feb 21 22:52
schestowitz Apple doesn’t understand sharing Feb 21 22:53
Balrog I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. I mean, I’d look at all possible options if I was creating a new platform. Feb 21 22:53
schestowitz In Apple’s terms, sharing=”piracy”, so they mulled DRM Feb 21 22:53
Balrog heh. Which DRM? Feb 21 22:53
Balrog iWork 09 Retail stopped using serial numbers, by the way Feb 21 22:54
ZiggyFish schestowitz: did notice the HTC does have an option for DRM content Feb 21 22:55
Balrog (doing anything that would circumvent ITMS music or video DRM would get the studios mad. The elimination of music DRM was a very controlled process so far) Feb 21 22:55
Balrog and software writers hate piracy (illegal copying and using kind) Feb 21 22:55
Balrog many are complaining the the app drm is too WEAK Feb 21 22:56
schestowitz PetoKraus: thanks, got it. Feb 21 22:57
Balrog (I watched a discussion on the iPhone-dev mailing list about the issue a while ago.) Feb 21 22:57
Balrog Hopefully DRM will slowly die out Feb 21 23:00
Balrog (at least with media) Feb 21 23:00
schestowitz Media is changing Feb 21 23:09
schestowitz Software too Feb 21 23:09
schestowitz Creative Commons on one side Feb 21 23:09
schestowitz GPL on another Feb 21 23:09
schestowitz So  DRM is rendered unnecessary Feb 21 23:09
schestowitz Ito had some off words to say on DRM… Feb 21 23:09
Balrog yeah. Though there will still be a market for closed-source software that you pay for Feb 21 23:10
MinceR http://developers.slashdot.org/article… Feb 21 23:13
MinceR et tu, Sun? Feb 21 23:13
Balrog I saw that Feb 21 23:14
schestowitz Apple and Sun share tactics.. Feb 21 23:14
schestowitz They learn from Microsoft. Feb 21 23:14
schestowitz Java doesn’t strike me as evil of Silver Lie though Feb 21 23:15
Balrog it’s GPL Feb 21 23:15
schestowitz Yes Feb 21 23:15
MinceR it isn’t that bad but it’s creepy. Feb 21 23:15
schestowitz A lot of people already have it installed anyway and it’s small Feb 21 23:16
schestowitz Campare that to apple shove Safari up people’s orifices. Feb 21 23:16
schestowitz *shoving Feb 21 23:16
schestowitz “…remember the days when men were men and actually controlled their computers…” Feb 21 23:17
MinceR uninstall is blocked though Feb 21 23:19
schestowitz Does that affect all platforms? Feb 21 23:36
MinceR dunno Feb 21 23:37
Balrog or MS shoving Sliverlight Feb 21 23:43
schestowitz Shining it with luv.. Feb 21 23:44
Balrog heh Feb 21 23:44
Balrog I thought that flash was enough Feb 21 23:44
Balrog now this Feb 21 23:44
benJIman Flash is not free software. Both java and moonlight are. Feb 21 23:45
Balrog that’s true. But flash has been around for much longer then silverlight / moonlight Feb 21 23:45
Balrog I don’t like it, but I can live with it Feb 21 23:46
Balrog for now Feb 21 23:46
schestowitz Who was concerned about Flash? Feb 21 23:46
schestowitz FF 3.1 has Ogg built in Feb 21 23:46
benJIman And adobe are more aggressive in protecting flash from third party implementations than microsoft. Feb 21 23:46
schestowitz So it’s important to ram Ogg through Feb 21 23:46
Balrog Ogg is good…h.264 is currently the ‘standard’ Feb 21 23:46
schestowitz benJIman: you like Microsoft, we get it Feb 21 23:46
Balrog in an mpeg-4 container Feb 21 23:46
schestowitz Guess who is also better at threatening Linux with patents. Feb 21 23:47
Balrog Ogg within MKV would be nice, but currently there’s lack of support for it (by those who create the content) Feb 21 23:47
benJIman Not really. Some microsoft technology is impressive, and other bits suck. Microsoft Research produces some pretty interesting stuff. Feb 21 23:47
Balrog and converters …. few support MKV Feb 21 23:47
Balrog yeah, vaporware, for the most part Feb 21 23:47
schestowitz Or failures like “Surface” Feb 21 23:50
schestowitz Ripoff+commercial fail Feb 21 23:51
schestowitz Microsoft Research is a pet dept. for the INNOVA~1 lie Feb 21 23:51
schestowitz “we spend #@!@#$ dollar per year blah blah” Feb 21 23:51
Balrog yeah Feb 21 23:52
schestowitz “We at Microsoft are innovative because we have something called MS Research” Feb 21 23:52
schestowitz Other companies have the same BS Feb 21 23:52
Balrog recently investors complained that research wastes too much $ Feb 21 23:52
schestowitz I actually needed to submit papers to conferences through MS lackeys Feb 21 23:52
schestowitz They occupy all sorts of places where they shouldn’t be Feb 21 23:52
Balrog yeah :( Feb 21 23:52
schestowitz Academia shouldn’t have place for that, esp. when the company is rules a criminal one (Jackson et al) Feb 21 23:52
schestowitz *ruled Feb 21 23:53
Balrog yeah. D: Feb 21 23:53
MinceR flash is trash. moonlight isn’t free. Feb 21 23:54
schestowitz If we were to tolerate societies where working for criminals is acceptable “because you don’t do crimes yourself”, then war worlds and great depression can easily recur. The “only following orders”/”paying the bills” mem Feb 21 23:54
schestowitz *meme Feb 21 23:54
*schestowitz only ever uses Flash to stream silly pixels and audio. Could use Ogg for that. Feb 21 23:55
Balrog Flash sucks, but it’s right now everywhere (or in most places) Feb 21 23:55
Balrog but why make Sliverlight, which is a look-alike to flash? Feb 21 23:56
schestowitz It’s video that got it ‘popular’ (around 2004). Hey, if I needed bouncing letter and flying rectangles, I’d go to the circus. Feb 21 23:56
schestowitz Balrog: why make Silver Lie?! Because Microsoft must leverage control. See the memos from them… they must control all standards. Feb 21 23:57
Balrog yes. Feb 21 23:57
schestowitz They would control hypertext protocols too if they had woken up to the Web earlier than 1995ish Feb 21 23:57
Balrog When I first saw it, I thought “why another plugin that does the same thing that an already-existing one?” Feb 21 23:57
schestowitz They also mimic ODF now Feb 21 23:57
Balrog heh Feb 21 23:57
schestowitz They’ll try to use the criminals from ECMA to ram it down ISO Feb 21 23:57
schestowitz it’s eerily quiet on that front and I don’t like it Feb 21 23:58
schestowitz They are giving wiggling room to bribe people, appoint cronies, etc. while all are asleep at the wheel Feb 21 23:58
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