03.24.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 23rd, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:34 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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_Hicham_2	consensus is always suspicious	Mar 23 00:00
_Hicham_2	almost	Mar 23 00:00
schestowitz	When unchallenged	Mar 23 00:01
schestowitz	But there are exceptions	Mar 23 00:01
schestowitz	When challenged too radically.	Mar 23 00:01
_Hicham_2	I know, but they are too rare	Mar 23 00:01
schestowitz	So as to serve as revisionism	Mar 23 00:01
schestowitz	Indian genocide = Pocahontas	Mar 23 00:02
_Hicham_2	and Iraq genocide?	Mar 23 00:02
schestowitz	Yes, and Aladdin.	Mar 23 00:03
_Hicham_2	Muntadar Zaidi have sentenced for three years	Mar 23 00:03
schestowitz	Recommended film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b…	Mar 23 00:03
_Hicham_2	while Bush is enjoying his life	Mar 23 00:03
_Hicham_2	the future of computing is scary	Mar 23 00:05
_Hicham_2	especially at hardware level	Mar 23 00:05
_Hicham_2	how can we know if there is spying utilities at hardware level?	Mar 23 00:05
_Hicham_2	the channel is really sleepy today	Mar 23 00:07
_Hicham_2	no one to talk to	Mar 23 00:08
_Hicham_2	Roy is still doing the housework	Mar 23 00:08
_Hicham_2	i am talking like a stranger in here	Mar 23 00:08
schestowitz	No, no, I listen…	Mar 23 00:09
schestowitz	But it’s Sunday, soo.	Mar 23 00:09
_Hicham_2	are u still doing the housework?	Mar 23 00:10
_Hicham_2	who created this blog : http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ ?	Mar 23 00:11
schestowitz	The MS Munchkins. Anti-Linux creatures…	Mar 23 00:13
schestowitz	It’s libelous. Don’t feed it.	Mar 23 00:13
_Hicham_2	It is just fun to read	Mar 23 00:15
_Hicham_2	the way they present people	Mar 23 00:16
schestowitz	By telling lies?	Mar 23 00:17
_Hicham_2	yes	Mar 23 00:18
_Hicham_2	it is funny though	Mar 23 00:18
schestowitz	The thing is a parody, as far as I can recall	Mar 23 00:18
schestowitz	But they intend to injure, not to make a parody	Mar 23 00:18
_Hicham_2	even if I was there, I wouldn’t be hurt	Mar 23 00:18
_Hicham_2	the writer have a great sense of humor	Mar 23 00:18
_Hicham_2	we can’t deny it	Mar 23 00:18
_Hicham_2	don’t get upset	Mar 23 00:19
schestowitz	No, no getting upset. I hardly know what’s there. I saw it over a year ago	Mar 23 00:21
_Hicham_2	what is ur current job Roy?	Mar 23 00:27
schestowitz	I left my job over a year ago	Mar 23 00:28
_Hicham_2	what was it?	Mar 23 00:30
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_Hicham_2	oiaohm, finally	Mar 23 00:32
_Hicham_2	where have u been pal?	Mar 23 00:32
oiaohm	Asleep	Mar 23 00:32
_Hicham_2	u haven’t worked today?	Mar 23 00:33
_Hicham_2	what time is it there?	Mar 23 00:33
_Hicham_2	I think it is just morning, no?	Mar 23 00:33
oiaohm	Almost 11.00 AM	Mar 23 00:33
oiaohm	Yes day to catch up on sleep and other things.	Mar 23 00:34
_Hicham_2	u must have slept late	Mar 23 00:34
oiaohm	Did not go to bed until 3 am.	Mar 23 00:34
oiaohm	So waking up now is about right.	Mar 23 00:34
_Hicham_2	true	Mar 23 00:36
_Hicham_2	u been working all night?	Mar 23 00:36
schestowitz	Does anyone remember Viv player and format?	Mar 23 00:36
Balrog___	not me…	Mar 23 00:38
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oiaohm	Not working all night _Hicham_2 just until I found out why a server was being disrupted at 2 am.	Mar 23 00:40
schestowitz	Viv was spreading around the time I was 15	Mar 23 00:41
schestowitz	Probably dead today	Mar 23 00:41
schestowitz	One of the first videos I had for it: http://www.youtube.com/wa…	Mar 23 00:41
oiaohm	There goes my lazy day just got called in.	Mar 23 00:44
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schestowitz	Tupac scared him.	Mar 23 00:46
MinceR	gn	Mar 23 00:50
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schestowitz	Mail server is finally back (10 hours later). Messages to arrive late now…	Mar 23 02:08
twitter	Viv. My mind was polluted by Viiv. http://www.intel.com/Consumer/Lear…	Mar 23 02:39
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oiaohm	Ok back as long as phone does not ring.	Mar 23 02:57
oiaohm	Nothing is more annoying than driving into work to find that someone had just tripped over a network cable.	Mar 23 02:58
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_Hicham_2	oiaohm : was that paid at least?	Mar 23 03:11
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oiaohm	Yep _Hicham_2	Mar 23 03:25
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oiaohm	but I was kinda paid either way _Hicham_2	Mar 23 03:26
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MethodOne	here’s a line commonly found in a tornado warning that you might find funny: “Use blankets or pillows to cover your body and always stay away from Windows”	Mar 23 03:28
MethodOne	the warning actually meant the windows on your house, but i decided to apply it to the crappy os	Mar 23 03:38
oiaohm	So no taping of windows MethodOne	Mar 23 04:24
MethodOne	ok	Mar 23 04:25
MethodOne	i just found that quote funny	Mar 23 04:25
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amarsh04	thanks for the link Schestowitz, I have only been inside the main building of Adelaide Uni law school a few times many years ago, and haven’t noticed anything from them one way or the other. I’m more familiar with the university’s science/engineering/medical and music schools	Mar 23 05:44
amarsh04	must go to work	Mar 23 05:45
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schestowitz	Hey	Mar 23 08:28
MinceR	geekings	Mar 23 09:04
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mib_alkq4p	lol	Mar 23 09:11
schestowitz	Hey there.	Mar 23 09:11
mib_alkq4p	howdy partner…	Mar 23 09:11
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mib_alkq4p	ssh root@boycottnovell.com	Mar 23 09:14
mib_alkq4p	password: ****************	Mar 23 09:14
mib_alkq4p	rm -rf /	Mar 23 09:15
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schestowitz	ERROR: wrong password	Mar 23 09:18
schestowitz	No SSH, either.	Mar 23 09:19
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schestowitz	brb	Mar 23 09:44
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*Now talking on #boycottnovell		Mar 23 09:51
*Topic for #boycottnovell is: “Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications” [publicly logged]		Mar 23 09:51
*Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Oct 5 19:20:28 2008		Mar 23 09:51
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ZiggyFish	schestowitz: got any links for me coming?	Mar 23 09:58
schestowitz	I posted some last night	Mar 23 10:05
ZiggyFish	dam	Mar 23 10:06
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oiaohm	One of my honey pots is fun root@it will let you in with any password.	Mar 23 11:28
oiaohm	Only one problem you have only logged into a software mock up of a os.	Mar 23 11:29
MinceR	in other words, it’s a windows machine? :>	Mar 23 11:44
oiaohm	No Linux machine	Mar 23 11:45
oiaohm	With auto trace	Mar 23 11:45
oiaohm	Its simply a trap letting person in is to buy time to trace.	Mar 23 11:46
schestowitz	MinceR: it’s a Linux machine posing as Windows	Mar 23 11:48
MinceR	oh, so a software mockup of a software mockup of an os :>	Mar 23 11:48
oiaohm	Its a fake bash.	Mar 23 11:50
oiaohm	With a fake etc and fake other directories.	Mar 23 11:50
oiaohm	Really confusing thinking its etc directory is a mix of solarias Linux bsd and mac os x	Mar 23 11:50
oiaohm	Yes combinations of stuff that could never ever work.	Mar 23 11:51
oiaohm	I still found it funny that one guy wanted to know the OS he broken into.	Mar 23 11:51
oiaohm	Because he could not make heads or tails of the fake.	Mar 23 11:52
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schestowitz	It fragments the tree.	Mar 23 11:58
schestowitz	/ becomes — quite arbitrarily c:	Mar 23 11:58
schestowitz	And other partitions can be all sort of letters from the alphabet too	Mar 23 11:59
oiaohm	Drives like c: dont’ exist.	Mar 23 11:59
oiaohm	They are just links in windows.	Mar 23 11:59
schestowitz	No, that’s Microsoft’s imitation of an OS	Mar 23 11:59
oiaohm	/ is not drive C	Mar 23 12:00
oiaohm	Its a path to the raw device is C	Mar 23 12:00
oiaohm	Some of the reason windows throws a hissy fit when you change a drive between master and slave.	Mar 23 12:00
schestowitz	You can’t swap these	Mar 23 12:07
schestowitz	Microsoft must be the master and the users just slaves	Mar 23 12:07
oiaohm	http://www.groklaw.net/article.php… << Tomtom is prepairing for war.	Mar 23 12:08
oiaohm	If I was MS now I would be wishing I had not attacked them.	Mar 23 12:08
*schestowitz is annoyed right now. The German embassy has just said that the Manchester consulate can’t renew the passport as act as mediator to reduce travel costs and hassle, so a visit to London is necessary.		Mar 23 12:13
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schestowitz	Web scams 101: ‘Scareware’ scams trick searchers < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/… >	Mar 23 12:36
_Hicham_2	I am trying to compile firefox	Mar 23 12:44
_Hicham_2	but there is a lot of dependencies	Mar 23 12:45
schestowitz	use gnucat	Mar 23 13:01
oiaohm	What distribution are you using _Hicham_2	Mar 23 13:01
oiaohm	deb based you can tell it with the right command to install the build dependancies for an application.	Mar 23 13:02
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_Hicham_2	oiaohm : it is about hunspell	Mar 23 13:08
_Hicham_2	the build goes fine until it encounters hunspell	Mar 23 13:09
_Hicham_2	I want to use the system hunspell	Mar 23 13:09
_Hicham_2	not the built-in one	Mar 23 13:09
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MinceR	(offtopic) http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KnYb81eQShI/…	Mar 23 14:08
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schestowitz	_Hicham_2: I am organising the Wiki. Do you want to assist me?	Mar 23 14:25
_Hicham_2	Roy : I have never worked on a wiki before	Mar 23 14:43
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schestowitz	ushimitsudoki: I added a link to your site	Mar 23 14:51
*schestowitz tries to find plugins that extract a list of related posts automatically but can’t find any < http://wordpress.org/extend/pl… >		Mar 23 14:56
schestowitz	One of our valuable plguins was not compatible with the latest version (post-upgrade)	Mar 23 14:56
schestowitz	10 best wordpress extensions : http://www.moon-blog.com/2008/04/to…	Mar 23 14:57
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schestowitz	Nice theme: http://www.kremalicious.com/2008/12/h…	Mar 23 15:32
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Omar87	Hello everyone.	Mar 23 15:48
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Omar87	So, can we say now that M$ is no longer a major threat to Linux?	Mar 23 15:49
mib_rcvfct	There was a famous quote about how M$ can’t even copy well…	Mar 23 15:49
mib_rcvfct	who said it, when and where?	Mar 23 15:50
mib_rcvfct	May have been something in the early Windoze	Mar 23 15:50
MinceR	no we can’t	Mar 23 15:50
MinceR	the war is not over	Mar 23 15:51
schestowitz	mib_rcvfct: can’t recall it	Mar 23 15:59
schestowitz	Was it from Apple people?	Mar 23 15:59
MinceR	likely	Mar 23 16:09
MinceR	apple people keep crying that everyone’s copying them while they keep copying everybody else	Mar 23 16:10
MinceR	(and forgetting that they started by copying xerox :> )	Mar 23 16:10
balzac	If anyone really wants to copy Apple, it would ne no easy task. Their innovation is based on Steve Jobs.	Mar 23 16:12
MinceR	so they’d have to clone steve jobs?	Mar 23 16:12
*MinceR hopes that won’t happen		Mar 23 16:12
MinceR	one steve jobs is too many	Mar 23 16:12
MinceR	i think apple can be copied without that — look at gnome	Mar 23 16:13
balzac	Steve Jobs best innovation is to aggregate a cult of personality which enables him to be the consumate CEO/micro-manager who can wring more quality work from his employees than anyone else.	Mar 23 16:13
MinceR	quality work? where?	Mar 23 16:13
balzac	their hardware is the best	Mar 23 16:13
MinceR	lol	Mar 23 16:13
MinceR	please tell me more jokes like that one	Mar 23 16:14
balzac	not the commodity parts – the computer components	Mar 23 16:14
balzac	the chassis for the notebooks, the capsules containing the ipod	Mar 23 16:14
MinceR	yes, those are great ( http://appledefects.com/ )	Mar 23 16:15
balzac	nobody makes nicer plastic, metal and glass shells for personal electronics	Mar 23 16:15
MinceR	oh, you mean the plastic shells	Mar 23 16:15
MinceR	i don’t see what’s so nice about toilet-seat white plastic	Mar 23 16:15
balzac	well, the keyboard chassis for the new macbook, machined out of a solid block of aluminum?	Mar 23 16:15
MinceR	maybe the RDF makes people see that as the pinnacle of design	Mar 23 16:15
MinceR	the one that makes it impossible to swap batteries? great idea	Mar 23 16:16
balzac	the macbook air which is thin enough to slice bread or cut your hand	Mar 23 16:16
balzac	MinceR: I agree	Mar 23 16:16
MinceR	so we have some gimmicks	Mar 23 16:16
balzac	that’s why I don’t own an ipod	Mar 23 16:16
MinceR	nothing that looks good or is useful	Mar 23 16:16
mib_rcvfct	so no one recalls if it was a court case	Mar 23 16:19
Omar87	Hi ppl.	Mar 23 16:20
MinceR	hay	Mar 23 16:22
mib_rcvfct	tried many word combinations and got	Mar 23 16:23
mib_rcvfct	http://arstechnica.com/apple/new…	Mar 23 16:23
mib_rcvfct	not that drm is acceptable, but otherwise the quote has merit	Mar 23 16:23
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Omar87	schestowitz: Typo detected: “It turns out <the the> opposition leader in India is promising $200 ‘Microsoft-free’ laptops if he gets elected to become prime minister.”	Mar 23 16:25
MinceR	i don’t know if apple copied from m$ and if they did, how much	Mar 23 16:28
Omar87	schestowitz: Another typo detected: “For the latter, how many times a day <to we> see in the press that it’s the user’s fault that the software does not perform as advertised.””	Mar 23 16:29
schestowitz	I have 4 more anti-Linux items from Microsoft. Here is the first: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content…	Mar 23 16:38
schestowitz	Omar87: thanks, fixed!	Mar 23 16:39
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schestowitz	Here is MS going frantic over Linux in CDN: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/… *ping trmanco	Mar 23 16:45
MinceR	apparently they’ve lost that battle — even they are relying on Akamai, which runs Linux	Mar 23 16:49
schestowitz	Yes, exactly. I will do posts about that soon.	Mar 23 16:51
Omar87	schestowitz: I liked that picture withe	Mar 23 17:09
schestowitz	Venezuela’s Chavez calls Obama “ignoramus” < http://www.reuters.com/article/n… >. Biden and Obama already attack anything that’s not Client State to them.	Mar 23 17:10
Omar87	schestowitz: I really like that picture with the pair of scissors cutting the paper with the word “crap”!	Mar 23 17:10
Omar87	schestowitz: So hilarious..!	Mar 23 17:10
schestowitz	I hope Chavez continues to call out on the US bluff. They still try to get rid of him because the people of Venezuela voted ‘the wrong way’	Mar 23 17:11
schestowitz	They need to vote for the puppet of Obama or else the CIA will train some rebels for a military coup	Mar 23 17:11
Omar87	schestowitz: “voted the wrong way”?	Mar 23 17:12
schestowitz	Yes	Mar 23 17:12
schestowitz	Not the way the US wanted	Mar 23 17:12
schestowitz	I hope Obama can change the state of foreign affair, but it’s impossible	Mar 23 17:12
schestowitz	he’s surrounded by more powerful people, so there’s no leeway. He mostly gives speeches. It’s like the Queen of England.	Mar 23 17:13
Omar87	schestowitz: However, Chavez is the most beloved governor, especially poor people.	Mar 23 17:14
twitter	it would be nice if the powerful people were in congress and senate instead of the CIA, FBI, DHS and other nasty places.	Mar 23 17:17
twitter	you have to be careful of that autocrat stuff	Mar 23 17:17
twitter	GWB’s greatest offenses came from running over his constitutional authority and committing crimes	Mar 23 17:17
schestowitz	Omar87: he’s one of the most popular leaders in South America if not the /most/.	Mar 23 17:18
twitter	yes, that’s true	Mar 23 17:18
twitter	or so what I’ve read says it’s true	Mar 23 17:18
balzac	Roy, I don’t think the CIA is quite as bad as it used to be.	Mar 23 17:19
balzac	I think Leon Panetta is a relatively benevolent bureaucrat	Mar 23 17:19
twitter	you will never know, balzac, and that’s the problem	Mar 23 17:19
twitter	secrecy is bad news	Mar 23 17:19
schestowitz	balzac: I took your advice	Mar 23 17:19
schestowitz	I added comment-mods	Mar 23 17:19
balzac	cool beans	Mar 23 17:19
twitter	that should be fun	Mar 23 17:19
schestowitz	I also made nested comments possible	Mar 23 17:20
twitter	you also have article modding	Mar 23 17:20
twitter	cool stuff	Mar 23 17:20
balzac	awesome	Mar 23 17:20
twitter	but I’m afraid the trolls will be quick to abuse it and I’m not sure what it will really add to the site	Mar 23 17:20
balzac	so users have accounts now?	Mar 23 17:20
schestowitz	twitter: it’s part of the same package	Mar 23 17:20
schestowitz	twitter: yes, no trolling so far.	Mar 23 17:20
balzac	That’s great if the trolls come and try to abuse it. Let them waste their time and make fools of themselves.	Mar 23 17:20
schestowitz	I can disable ratings on any article/thread	Mar 23 17:20
schestowitz	There’s huge amount of control over this thing (at the admin side)	Mar 23 17:21
balzac	and give some opposition presence for Roy’s “managed dialectic”	Mar 23 17:21
balzac	Roy, you’ve got to value you trolls and critics. They bring the heat of controversy and personal antagonism which is a draw to any community website.	Mar 23 17:21
twitter	the “opposition” has plenty of representation. They spend billions of dollars on advertising and own newspapers and broadcast networks.	Mar 23 17:22
twitter	there is no value to personal insults, other than being able to point at the bankruptcy of those throwing it around.	Mar 23 17:23
schestowitz	Why Covering AIG Is So Hard < http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2… >	Mar 23 17:23
twitter	because they are liars?	Mar 23 17:23
balzac	Roy, one thing is important though in user-moderated comments – users need to be able to see who modded them up or down.	Mar 23 17:24
schestowitz	That’s not possible	Mar 23 17:24
schestowitz	They needn’t register	Mar 23 17:24
twitter	Like I said. I’m not sure what moderation will bring to the site.	Mar 23 17:24
schestowitz	Me neither. It was balzac’s suggestion	Mar 23 17:25
balzac	that makes it more personal, so people can squabble about why their comment has been down-rated, or they can call out cliques for loyalty to each other rather than responding to the content.	Mar 23 17:25
schestowitz	Ballmer called Google a one-trick pony, IIRC… A Look Back At The Worries That Google Would Never Make Money < http://techdirt.com/articles/20… >. Google market cap about 75% of MSFT’s now	Mar 23 17:25
balzac	That’s one good thing about Slashdot’s “anonymous coward” feature	Mar 23 17:26
balzac	you should allow commentary from non-members as well as members	Mar 23 17:26
twitter	sounds like a waste of time at BN.	Mar 23 17:26
twitter	just another way for M$ and trolls to abuse Roy.	Mar 23 17:26
balzac	I hope the Drigg module can be updated and re-factored for Drupal 6 because that’s the only option I see to make the best possible user-moderated forum.	Mar 23 17:27
twitter	They are free as things are to put in technical comments and links to factual information but they chose to nitpick and libel.	Mar 23 17:27
balzac	But Tony Mobily got burned out on Drupal development. He is the maintainer of Drigg.	Mar 23 17:28
balzac	I really wish I had some money to subsidize his project to be refactored and updated for Drupal 6.	Mar 23 17:28
schestowitz	Digg slid pretty badly. Netcraft shows them down at 470th	Mar 23 17:28
schestowitz	Groklaw used to be 7xxth	Mar 23 17:28
balzac	Digg isn’t the best user-moderated forum implementation	Mar 23 17:28
balzac	you can’t see who mods you up or down	Mar 23 17:28
balzac	but the importance of Digg is in the presentation of content and the up-or-down voting.	Mar 23 17:29
balzac	Drigg has that and offers much more possibilities.	Mar 23 17:29
schestowitz	Digg was great when it was small	Mar 23 17:30
schestowitz	2006	Mar 23 17:30
balzac	Digg has ajax-implemented up or down voting for stories and comments, but they lack the list of who voted up or down, so it’s inferior to the proprietary version of Scoop which DailyKos is based on.	Mar 23 17:30
schestowitz	I really enjoyed it and commented a lot	Mar 23 17:30
schestowitz	balzac: : I can do Ajax commenting and stuff in BN also	Mar 23 17:30
schestowitz	But it required JS	Mar 23 17:30
schestowitz	Many people in BN use NoScript	Mar 23 17:30
schestowitz	JS-based features are for n00b sites	Mar 23 17:31
balzac	Roy, it’s a big job to build the perfect user-moderated-forum. I have the functional requirements listed, and Drigg is the closest project to implementing it properly which is available.	Mar 23 17:31
twitter	give up balzac. the trolls use botnets and multi account to hell and back. they completely overwhelm legitimate voting systems	Mar 23 17:32
balzac	Markos Moulitsas of DailyKos is a source-code hoarder, so his project can be considered proprietary. His behavior is what makes the AGPL license necessary.	Mar 23 17:32
twitter	if you want to get anything out of Slashdot these days, use the firehose with specific search terms and “black” filtering. Comments are completely useless	Mar 23 17:33
balzac	twitter: they can use as many automated features as they like, but that takes effort and you can always tweak the “API” to give them many hours of work to recover their influence.	Mar 23 17:34
balzac	or if you spot their patterns of use, ban all their accounts and IP addresses.	Mar 23 17:34
twitter	you can’t ban a botnet	Mar 23 17:34
twitter	no one has time to catch the patterns	Mar 23 17:34
schestowitz	balzac: Moulitsas said in his interview that he employed devs	Mar 23 17:35
schestowitz	He claims he brought back the changes to the community	Mar 23 17:35
schestowitz	But he was no big fan of FOSS in that 1-2-hour interview	Mar 23 17:35
schestowitz	He spoke a lot about features of community management	Mar 23 17:35
schestowitz	Like the one he used to ban you many times	Mar 23 17:35
schestowitz	balzac: http://boycottnovell.com/index.ph…	Mar 23 17:36
balzac	Roy, moulitsas hired up the devs, hoarded the source code, and what they contributed back to Scoop was so insignificant, the project can be considered irrelevant.	Mar 23 17:36
balzac	unless moulitsas reveals the whole code-base used for DailyKos in all of it’s hacked-together “glory”, Scoop is not relevant to me.	Mar 23 17:37
schestowitz	Well, when OBAMAA releases ACTAA maybe..	Mar 23 17:38
balzac	Roy, you’ve showed me that link before, but I’m not sure I’m seeing what you’re seeing. Would I need to be logged in?	Mar 23 17:38
twitter	wow, 174 year old newspaper folds. It’s good they are going electronic but sad they fire employees. http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Ann-A…	Mar 23 17:38
twitter	ACTA, rising tyranny.	Mar 23 17:38
schestowitz	balzac: just previous mentions and the interview parts.	Mar 23 17:38
schestowitz	twitter: yes, the Web ends scrarcity	Mar 23 17:39
schestowitz	Press = scarcity	Mar 23 17:39
schestowitz	Production+material+distribution+more	Mar 23 17:39
schestowitz	have you watches RMS’s talk on copyrights?	Mar 23 17:39
balzac	Roy, what do you find noteworthy among those?	Mar 23 17:40
twitter	which talk?	Mar 23 17:40
schestowitz	There won’t be paper soon (not just newspapers)… just very little in less developed areas of life and the world.	Mar 23 17:40
schestowitz	balzac: watch the interview	Mar 23 17:40
schestowitz	My friend met him for it	Mar 23 17:40
schestowitz	Christian Einfeldt	Mar 23 17:40
balzac	ok	Mar 23 17:40
schestowitz	twitter: let me find it	Mar 23 17:40
twitter	The effect is self reinforcing. As newspapers fail, newsprint makers have been shutting down. That will raise the price of newsprint eventually and fail more of the papers.	Mar 23 17:41
balzac	Roy, there’s a video interview?	Mar 23 17:41
schestowitz	twitter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG…	Mar 23 17:41
balzac	can I have a direct link? I still wonder if I’m seeing something different from you.	Mar 23 17:42
schestowitz	twitter: good point. never thought about it	Mar 23 17:42
twitter	http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&…	Mar 23 17:42
schestowitz	It’s also true that ‘pressers’ die too. Thus scarcity in production (higher costs)	Mar 23 17:42
twitter	saw some stories about it on finance.google the other day.	Mar 23 17:42
schestowitz	twitter: yes, saw it on Friday	Mar 23 17:42
twitter	the above link pulls up more of the same	Mar 23 17:43
schestowitz	re: newsprint	Mar 23 17:43
twitter	the part about increased costs, is mine I suppose.	Mar 23 17:43
schestowitz	If Google can monetise YouTube, then TV’s days are numbered too	Mar 23 17:43
twitter	surely	Mar 23 17:43
schestowitz	The other sites are not as widely known, e.g. Internet Archive	Mar 23 17:43
schestowitz	Internet Archive is scalaing up now	Mar 23 17:43
schestowitz	Too much demand I suppose. They are supporters of ogg	Mar 23 17:44
schestowitz	But they move from Linux to Solaris now (with ZFS)	Mar 23 17:44
balzac	I clicked each of the search results and searched each page for einfeldt	Mar 23 17:44
twitter	when the broadcasters and publishers finally die, we will get open spectrum and real freedom	Mar 23 17:44
twitter	telco will die too	Mar 23 17:44
schestowitz	twitter: that won’t happen	Mar 23 17:44
schestowitz	Not quickly	Mar 23 17:44
schestowitz	Watch Australia	Mar 23 17:44
schestowitz	They fight back to “control the minds of men”	Mar 23 17:44
balzac	Roy, is it because I’m lacking an Ogg plugin for FF?	Mar 23 17:45
twitter	men will demand their freedom, just as press owners once did	Mar 23 17:45
schestowitz	If we killed all “pedophiles” and “terrorists”, they’ll find a new excuse	Mar 23 17:45
balzac	is there video embed code in that search results page on moulitsas?	Mar 23 17:45
schestowitz	Or label people from Iceland “terrorists”, I dunno..	Mar 23 17:45
balzac	!!!	Mar 23 17:45
twitter	shrill cries from dying empires	Mar 23 17:45
balzac	I want to see this video interview	Mar 23 17:46
balzac	I’ll just google it	Mar 23 17:46
schestowitz	Balrog: no, there is Flash maybe in Internet Archive	Mar 23 17:46
schestowitz	Hold on	Mar 23 17:46
twitter	time for lunch, bbl	Mar 23 17:46
balzac	I’ve googled it and it may be available on archive.org	Mar 23 17:46
schestowitz	balzac: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query…	Mar 23 17:46
schestowitz	He seems like a nice person. Maybe he’s just being too ‘diplomatic’ (cocky) by refusing to support sentencing of Bush	Mar 23 17:47
schestowitz	That would have him characterized as “radical” or something.	Mar 23 17:47
balzac	I’m watching one, I think it’s the first	Mar 23 17:48
balzac	thanks Roy	Mar 23 17:49
balzac	I’m going to have to pull rank on Markos in the software sector.	Mar 23 17:50
balzac	he’s a dabbler and a poseur.	Mar 23 17:50
schestowitz	Have you seen him interviewed before?	Mar 23 17:50
balzac	yeah	Mar 23 17:50
schestowitz	Poser — yeah	Mar 23 17:50
balzac	he was given a job by newsweek	Mar 23 17:50
balzac	he applied for a job at the CIA	Mar 23 17:50
schestowitz	Newsweek sucks	Mar 23 17:50
schestowitz	Readership feel by half IIRC	Mar 23 17:50
schestowitz	Days are numbered, if you know what I mean….	Mar 23 17:51
balzac	as far as I know, he is a CIA stooge and I said so, leading to my second banning, under my own name that time, I think.	Mar 23 17:51
schestowitz	NewsWEAK	Mar 23 17:51
balzac	It was on the night of the midterm victory of the Republicrats in 2006	Mar 23 17:51
schestowitz	“You are the weakest link, Goodbye.”	Mar 23 17:52
balzac	everyone was festive and celebratory, but i called Markos a CIA stooge.	Mar 23 17:52
balzac	I also troll-rated Markos for talking s___ about Kucinich	Mar 23 17:52
balzac	At least he’s been good enough not to delete my best blogging on his site.	Mar 23 17:53
balzac	I’m sure he’d love to forget a lot of it.	Mar 23 17:53
schestowitz	NewsWEAK also hired a man who boosted SCO’s anti-Linux and used the identity of a famous man (Steve Jobs) to attract readers	Mar 23 17:54
balzac	NewsWeasels	Mar 23 17:54
balzac	NewsWeak is better	Mar 23 17:54
balzac	weasels can actually ferret out some facts, but Newsweak just disseminates propaganda, mostly.	Mar 23 17:55
balzac	Anal Marie Cox writes for them	Mar 23 17:55
balzac	that helps their “swampland” blog a bit	Mar 23 17:55
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balzac	sorry, Anna Marie Cox	Mar 23 17:55
schestowitz	Same thing	Mar 23 17:56
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balzac	formerly known as Blogette, Wankette, or Wonkette, iirc	Mar 23 17:56
schestowitz	Unless it was a Freudian slip	Mar 23 17:56
balzac	Actually, she blogged about back-door sex, but that’s probably not a good topic	Mar 23 17:57
balzac	she’s the one who brought it up. no judgement from me. she’s probably the best blogger on newsweak	Mar 23 17:57
schestowitz	Finally a victory for us little ‘people’: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/482…	Mar 23 17:58
schestowitz	What does best mena?	Mar 23 17:58
balzac	I saw her interviewed on Olbermann recently. She’s pretty foxy for a blog-nerd.	Mar 23 17:58
schestowitz	It’s meaningless	Mar 23 17:58
schestowitz	Most read?	Mar 23 17:58
schestowitz	Most insightful?	Mar 23 17:58
schestowitz	Most factually correct?	Mar 23 17:58
balzac	no, it was Rachel Maddow	Mar 23 17:58
schestowitz	Many people can get lots of comment just by flaming	Mar 23 17:59
schestowitz	or talking trash.. or sex	Mar 23 17:59
balzac	</offtopic>	Mar 23 17:59
schestowitz	That doesn’t mean them “best”	Mar 23 17:59
schestowitz	*make	Mar 23 17:59
balzac	well, look who she’s blogging with – Joe Klein, aka Joke-Line	Mar 23 17:59
balzac	though he’s not nearly the worst Newsweak has to offer	Mar 23 18:00
schestowitz	Cybercrime server exposed through Google cache < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/2… >	Mar 23 18:06
schestowitz	How will a site like this survive?	Mar 23 18:07
schestowitz	Linux.com is over	Mar 23 18:07
schestowitz	JupiterMedia lost its founder IIRC	Mar 23 18:07
schestowitz	CMP — who knows?	Mar 23 18:07
schestowitz	They are all on tick-tock-tick-tock	Mar 23 18:08
*schestowitz on phone		Mar 23 18:09
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schestowitz	Here we go… the pyramid comes loose……. E-mail Evidence in Madoff Case Includes Another Scam < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161748/email… >	Mar 23 18:12
schestowitz	“U.S. attorneys prosecuting fraudster Bernard Madoff submitted letters from victims of his Ponzi scheme to the presiding judge on March 9 in the form of e-mail messages, but they appear to have mistakenly included evidence of a scam of a different sort in the filing.”	Mar 23 18:12
schestowitz	“My name is (redacted), but my origin is from Republic of Congo. I have an inherited fund I want to invest in business in your country with a help of a local. …If you can assist, I am willing to give you 10 percent of the funds that is US$3.5 million,” reads the apparent scam letter contained on page 36 of the 96-page filing. A copy of the filing was posted online by MSNBC.	Mar 23 18:12
schestowitz	Sounds like a typical E-mail scam. I thought it was a joke.	Mar 23 18:13
schestowitz	It probably is	Mar 23 18:15
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twitter	disappointed by the “copyright vrs community” on youtube	Mar 23 18:24
twitter	it’s only half the talk	Mar 23 18:24
twitter	1/8	Mar 23 18:25
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schestowitz	Hey, amd-linux	Mar 23 18:31
schestowitz	twitter: watch the one he gave in Sweden	Mar 23 18:32
amd-linux	hi there	Mar 23 18:32
schestowitz	Forget about Android/Linux phones from Dell : Smartphone Canceled for Lack of Interest < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161755… >	Mar 23 18:33
amd-linux	ahm, not that I mind but u are currently running MSN-Live ads here in Germany	Mar 23 18:33
schestowitz	Aghh…:-\|	Mar 23 18:33
amd-linux		Mar 23 18:33
schestowitz	Shane controls the list of banned domains	Mar 23 18:33
schestowitz	msn.de?	Mar 23 18:33
amd-linux	wait	Mar 23 18:34
twitter	got this one, starting here http://www.youtube.com/wat…	Mar 23 18:34
amd-linux	its blocked all MS sites are blacked out here	Mar 23 18:34
amd-linux	http://embed.mibbit.com/up/zJ…	Mar 23 18:35
amd-linux	uploaded screenshot	Mar 23 18:35
schestowitz	OIN mailed me re TmTom	Mar 23 18:36
schestowitz	TomTom is joining OIN	Mar 23 18:36
twitter	here is a shell script for repetitive commands with many arguments.	Mar 23 18:36
twitter	command=$1	Mar 23 18:36
twitter	shift	Mar 23 18:36
twitter	while [ -n "$*" ]	Mar 23 18:36
twitter	do	Mar 23 18:36
twitter	$command $1	Mar 23 18:36
amd-linux	BTW new Ubuntu absolutely rocks…. Linux since 0.99, but Jaunty really is the best I have seen so far – close to perfect	Mar 23 18:36
twitter	shift	Mar 23 18:36
twitter	done	Mar 23 18:36
schestowitz	Let me blog it quickly	Mar 23 18:36
schestowitz	amd-linux: mandriva is great for me and PCLOS would be the same	Mar 23 18:37
amd-linux	guess we wil see a nice legal showdown the next months…	Mar 23 18:37
schestowitz	“Today, TomTom joined as a licensee of Open Invention Network (OIN), an intellectual property company formed to promote and protect the Linux community. “	Mar 23 18:37
schestowitz	“As a licensee, TomTom will actively contribute to this innovative, open source network, and support the extensive technical community. This signing highlights a significant addition to the network as well as OIN’s dedication to building and strengthening its collaborative Linux ecosystem. “	Mar 23 18:37
twitter	for instance	Mar 23 18:37
twitter	multi_command clive “address_1″ “address_2″ “address_n”	Mar 23 18:37
twitter	gets all of a series of youtube links.	Mar 23 18:37
amd-linux	Mandriva seems to have made great progress too, right. Looks very nice, they are the king of KDE	Mar 23 18:38
_Hicham_2	fucking docx	Mar 23 18:38
_Hicham_2	fucking format	Mar 23 18:38
twitter	I was disappointed by 1984 the other day, it hooked up 2 different versions instead of the nice one it started with.	Mar 23 18:38
twitter	OIN, lets see if they have bite.	Mar 23 18:39
twitter	docx, demand another format	Mar 23 18:39
twitter	amd-linux, yes I get M$ ads on Boycott Novell too.	Mar 23 18:40
schestowitz	MSFT wanted wat	Mar 23 18:40
schestowitz	*war	Mar 23 18:40
schestowitz	It got it	Mar 23 18:40