03.24.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 23rd, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:44 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter	for instance, this annoying link http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/p…	Mar 23 18:41
twitter	goes to M$ search crap.	Mar 23 18:41
schestowitz	twitter: yes, I messed up with 1984. Spanish version, I think	Mar 23 18:41
amd-linux	well they might slow down Linux adoption again a bit, but in the end, you can not stop a trend	Mar 23 18:41
schestowitz	Cat out of the bag….	Mar 23 18:41
schestowitz	They tried copyrights and failed	Mar 23 18:41
schestowitz	Now going to softer stuff.	Mar 23 18:41
amd-linux	they got teared apart here in Germany with their FAT “patent”	Mar 23 18:42
twitter	Oh well, thanks anyway. the recent 1984 is brilliant and fun to watch regardless.	Mar 23 18:42
amd-linux	the court just ripped them, cut them, scliced them	Mar 23 18:42
amd-linux	sliced	Mar 23 18:42
twitter	I might have to go rent it	Mar 23 18:42
amd-linux	still a joy to read the verdict	Mar 23 18:42
twitter	scliced sounds about right	Mar 23 18:42
amd-linux	is it an english word?	Mar 23 18:43
amd-linux	didnt now	Mar 23 18:43
amd-linux	know	Mar 23 18:43
twitter	no, just a good alliteration, schhhhh-lice!	Mar 23 18:43
amd-linux		Mar 23 18:43
twitter	lots of “shhhh” as the knife goes through piles of paper and corporate lawyer.	Mar 23 18:44
amd-linux	by intimidating Tom Tom, BTW, they drove them into the arms of the community, me thinks	Mar 23 18:44
amd-linux	reminds me to this guitar producer	Mar 23 18:44
amd-linux	who got searched by the BSA	Mar 23 18:44
twitter	Ball?	Mar 23 18:44
twitter	Yes, that’s a good story.	Mar 23 18:44
amd-linux	Right, that was his name one of the first Linux adopter	Mar 23 18:45
amd-linux	enterprise wide i mean	Mar 23 18:45
schestowitz	I’ve spread the press release, starting here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/…	Mar 23 18:49
schestowitz	It’ll be worth writing about later. Microsoft is now facing OIN	Mar 23 18:49
schestowitz	Patent pool	Mar 23 18:49
twitter	Google, Chrysler, Red Hat, Lowes, there are lots of big and early adopters.	Mar 23 18:49
schestowitz	Microsoft had the Myhrvoltroll patent pool.\	Mar 23 18:49
schestowitz	twitter: the song is good:	Mar 23 18:49
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watc…	Mar 23 18:50
twitter	Sheesh, even janitors were not spared firing by M$? http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/s…	Mar 23 18:50
twitter	that’s truly sad	Mar 23 18:50
schestowitz	Ernie Ball	Mar 23 18:50
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schestowitz	Hi, tyche_	Mar 23 18:50
tyche_	Morning	Mar 23 18:51
tyche_	By one minute. Hee hee	Mar 23 18:51
amd-linux	High Noon…. Shoot out at O.K. Corral	Mar 23 18:51
amd-linux	that is what will happen now	Mar 23 18:51
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tyche_	Oh, the shootout started long ago. I noticed on the TomTom-Linux petition that there are now 267 signatures. I was number 8	Mar 23 18:53
amd-linux	in NATO language, this is Art. 5 NATO treaty	Mar 23 18:54
amd-linux	http://www.nato.int/docu/bas…	Mar 23 18:54
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amd-linux	the 9/11 for FOSS, so to say	Mar 23 18:54
tyche_	Ever read http://tycheent.wordpress.com/200… ?	Mar 23 18:55
amd-linux	yes, I know. But their attitude might change	Mar 23 18:56
amd-linux	that is what I meant with driven in the arms of the community	Mar 23 18:56
amd-linux	the enemy of your enemy is your friend….	Mar 23 18:56
trmanco	schestowitz, http://code.google.com/p/qwit/	Mar 23 18:57
schestowitz	tyche_: let me look	Mar 23 18:58
schestowitz	tyche_: yes, I linked to it several times.	Mar 23 18:58
tyche_	Thanks. ”All contributions are greatfully received” Hee hee	Mar 23 18:59
trmanco	http://blogs.computerworld.com/tomtom…	Mar 23 19:00
tyche_	trmanco: Yep. SJVN is a strong voice for free software and free standards.	Mar 23 19:01
schestowitz	“…here we SCO again!”	Mar 23 19:01
trmanco	yeah	Mar 23 19:01
schestowitz	tyche_: not Free software	Mar 23 19:01
schestowitz	He’s ‘pragmatist’	Mar 23 19:01
tyche_	Yea, that term suits him.	Mar 23 19:01
*trmanco hates philosophy		Mar 23 19:01
tyche_	Oh, I don’t know about that. He defended me against a troll when OO.o was setting up a technical committee.	Mar 23 19:02
amd-linux	Well, I also like him being pragmatic. And he is writing quite entertaining so that people without FOSS background can read his articles	Mar 23 19:04
schestowitz	If I turn “<” to “<” in JavaScript, will it work?	Mar 23 19:05
amd-linux	on the other side, he is usually “only” summarizing recent news and issues but usually not really investigating	Mar 23 19:05
schestowitz	The validator is complaining	Mar 23 19:05
amd-linux	ROFL	Mar 23 19:06
tyche_	amd-linux: True, he summarizes what others have reported. But he does it from a lawyer’s point of view.	Mar 23 19:06
amd-linux	just saw the pic with ballmer	Mar 23 19:06
amd-linux	Loooool!	Mar 23 19:06
amd-linux	puppet player	Mar 23 19:06
amd-linux	great!	Mar 23 19:06
amd-linux	He is a lawyer? Didn’t know that.	Mar 23 19:08
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schestowitz	Ah!	Mar 23 19:09
schestowitz	I fixed the plugin’s xhtml validity	Mar 23 19:09
tyche_	I believe so. If not, he definitely has legal knowledge/experience, even if it isn’t through formal training. I’ve seen him in action in that OO.o mailing list. Ruthless.	Mar 23 19:10
*schestowitz goes to submit a patch		Mar 23 19:10
Balrog	schestowitz: don’t makd that error too much	Mar 23 19:17
Balrog	make *	Mar 23 19:17
schestowitz	It won;t work.. http://bytes.com/groups/javas…	Mar 23 19:17
amd-linux	aargh… regex…. you can grill a brain with them	Mar 23 19:18
amd-linux	at least mine	Mar 23 19:18
Balrog	:{	Mar 23 19:18
schestowitz	Maybe if I could move the JS outside the file…	Mar 23 19:20
trmanco	crap	Mar 23 19:23
trmanco	anybody know the link of an article that stated that playboy was using silvilight?	Mar 23 19:24
trmanco	I posted it here yesterday, but I forgot about the link	Mar 23 19:24
twitter	playboy a whore for M$? say it ain’t so!	Mar 23 19:24
Balrog	silverlight 3 beta came out recently	Mar 23 19:25
amd-linux	not me but a good reason to visit playboy site	Mar 23 19:25
twitter	don’t see any link to “playboy” here.	Mar 23 19:25
twitter	oh wait, here you are http://www.extremetech.com…	Mar 23 19:26
amd-linux	http://playboy.covertocover.com/	Mar 23 19:26
amd-linux	from the source	Mar 23 19:26
trmanco	twitter, yeah that’s it, thanks	Mar 23 19:26
twitter	I live less than a mile from LSU and don’t need spank mags, but thanks.	Mar 23 19:27
amd-linux	MS is”investing” heavily in Silverlight adoption	Mar 23 19:27
schestowitz	It seems like a validator error: http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/s…	Mar 23 19:27
schestowitz	The CDATA stuff is already done	Mar 23 19:27
twitter	So many investments with so little return.	Mar 23 19:27
twitter	Rejoice, all the bankers are saved (again) http://online.wsj.com/articl…	Mar 23 19:28
twitter	They get trillions in taxpayer money and get to keep everyone’s house too. It’s a wonderful life!	Mar 23 19:29
amd-linux	if there is one good aspect with regard to silverlight it is the competition – in the end, Adobe finally might open source Flash	Mar 23 19:29
amd-linux	so far, they at least open up the specs	Mar 23 19:30
twitter	I’d rather see people just use embedded video.	Mar 23 19:30
amd-linux	well but for games and animation this is not enough	Mar 23 19:30
twitter	Gnash is more significant competition.	Mar 23 19:30
amd-linux	browser games are very popular here in germany	Mar 23 19:30
amd-linux	can not be done without Flash	Mar 23 19:30
amd-linux	at the moment	Mar 23 19:30
twitter	I see people use them. Games or freedom, what a choice.	Mar 23 19:30
trmanco	<video></video> tag is the future	Mar 23 19:31
trmanco	for videos…	Mar 23 19:31
twitter	that will be nice	Mar 23 19:31
twitter	Google should get on it first.	Mar 23 19:31
amd-linux	I am also looking forward for FF 3.5	Mar 23 19:32
schestowitz	amd-linux: W3c still complains about <video>	Mar 23 19:32
schestowitz	I can’t validate with it	Mar 23 19:32
schestowitz	And now this stupid JS pain.	Mar 23 19:32
schestowitz	I give up	Mar 23 19:32
amd-linux	lol	Mar 23 19:32
schestowitz	Validation or not, no broser can fail badly on that.	Mar 23 19:32
amd-linux	Roy, you becoming pragmatic?	Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz	It’s like I have to feel embarrassed about putting Oggs in the pages	Mar 23 19:33
twitter	thumbnail + link to movie should be good for everyone.	Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz	Flash has always been a mess	Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz	For XHTML that is	Mar 23 19:33
twitter	konqueror does in new tab movies very nicely	Mar 23 19:33
_Hicham_2	svg is the future	Mar 23 19:33
amd-linux	Flash is a resource eater	Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz	MS hates SVG	Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz	It refuses to support it	Mar 23 19:33
_Hicham_2	fuck flash	Mar 23 19:33
twitter	fuck M$	Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz	It makes proprietary subs	Mar 23 19:34
amd-linux	f-word? try this: http://playboy.covertocover.com/	Mar 23 19:34
_Hicham_2	viva svg	Mar 23 19:34
amd-linux		Mar 23 19:34
amd-linux	SCNR	Mar 23 19:34
_Hicham_2	viva open source	Mar 23 19:34
trmanco	lol	Mar 23 19:34
twitter	freedom	Mar 23 19:34
_Hicham_2	there is nothing like freedom	Mar 23 19:34
amd-linux	worst with Flash are the Flash cookies…. a privacy nightmare	Mar 23 19:35
_Hicham_2	and on Windows, it is a System Service	Mar 23 19:35
twitter	nice	Mar 23 19:35
twitter	what a service	Mar 23 19:35
trmanco	any web scripting language has it’s privacy risks	Mar 23 19:35
_Hicham_2	and u know what it means a system service	Mar 23 19:35
amd-linux	only solution is to link ~/.macromedia to /dev/nul	Mar 23 19:35
trmanco	l	Mar 23 19:36
_Hicham_2	twitter : a service that is started by the special user SYSTEM	Mar 23 19:36
_Hicham_2	and it is hidden	Mar 23 19:36
schestowitz	Google knows what people watch	Mar 23 19:37
schestowitz	Adsense/analytics	Mar 23 19:37
twitter	interesting. I actually have an old system with a .macromedia directory. Must have had flash on it once through Mepis.	Mar 23 19:37
twitter	rm .macromedia/ -r	Mar 23 19:38
twitter	that was easy	Mar 23 19:38
amd-linux	look through it – you might find all the old pr0n from yrs ago	Mar 23 19:38
amd-linux		Mar 23 19:38
twitter	what makes you think I lost my porn?	Mar 23 19:38
amd-linux	ahm…. nothing, sir..	Mar 23 19:39
amd-linux		Mar 23 19:39
twitter	can’t ever recall seeing a flash porn site, double ick.	Mar 23 19:39
twitter	don’t think you can lose .macromedia so easily on Winblows	Mar 23 19:40
schestowitz	.macromedia/ is not the problem	Mar 23 19:40
_Hicham_2	Windows locks the used files	Mar 23 19:40
schestowitz	It’s your HDD	Mar 23 19:40
twitter	imagines a multigigabye registry file	Mar 23 19:40
schestowitz	It’s what’s not on your HDD that’s an issue	Mar 23 19:40
amd-linux	no offense intended, just a matte rof fact that porn is one of the most popular contents on the web	Mar 23 19:40
schestowitz	Unless they can probe too	Mar 23 19:40
schestowitz	E.g. is Flash can send back the list to others	Mar 23 19:40
twitter	so can my ISP	Mar 23 19:41
amd-linux	http://www.imasuper.com/66/technolog…	Mar 23 19:41
twitter	it is a shame we can not trust people who provide technical services	Mar 23 19:41
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twitter	GWB made things much worse	Mar 23 19:42
schestowitz	DNA’s shapes could give clues to function < http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2012… >	Mar 23 19:44
_Hicham_2	twitter : free services are not really free	Mar 23 19:45
_Hicham_2	twitter : u r paying in either way	Mar 23 19:45
schestowitz	Speaking of privacy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec…	Mar 23 19:45
schestowitz	They should grill the government over its approval of this thing: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h…	Mar 23 19:45
_Hicham_2	twitter : if u don’t pay with money, you will pay with sthg else	Mar 23 19:45
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twitter	not always. Gnash comes without strings.	Mar 23 19:46
schestowitz	“Nicholas Hughes hangs himself at his home in Alaska 46 years after his mother gassed herself” < http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/mar/… >	Mar 23 19:46
schestowitz	I wonder if the second Great Depression will raise the suicide levels considerably. This is not good.	Mar 23 19:47
twitter	suicide/murder	Mar 23 19:47
schestowitz	Might be	Mar 23 19:49
schestowitz	http://techdirt.com/articles/20… (Filmmaker Releases Film Via All Torrent Sites, Says Pay If You Like It)	Mar 23 19:49
schestowitz	And they try to just kill torrent, don’t they…?	Mar 23 19:49
amd-linux	there is a restaurant in London (?) that offers the same – pay if you like it. and you dont believe it they make more money than before, they said on TV	Mar 23 19:50
amd-linux	because people give more than the actual price would have been on the menu	Mar 23 19:51
amd-linux	however that would not work here :_)	Mar 23 19:51
amd-linux		Mar 23 19:51
schestowitz	Why not in Germany?	Mar 23 19:58
schestowitz	London — OK. Old London was wealthy in some parts of it	Mar 23 19:58
schestowitz	East London won’t bring the same RoI	Mar 23 19:58
schestowitz	http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/Amazon_s_Lin…	Mar 23 19:59
amd-linux	well not saying whole of Germany, but my region where I am from is a part of Germany where we say that the Scottish where banned from our region	Mar 23 19:59
amd-linux	because of luxury	Mar 23 19:59
amd-linux	so essentially it is unlikely that many people would pay at all	Mar 23 20:00
schestowitz	amd-linux: I want to find a video to show you.	Mar 23 20:00
schestowitz	But I might not find it	Mar 23 20:00
schestowitz	Hold on.	Mar 23 20:00
amd-linux	the reataurant?	Mar 23 20:01
schestowitz	It’s about how black people see white people	Mar 23 20:01
schestowitz	Very comical… uses Bavaria as a reference, IIRC	Mar 23 20:01
schestowitz	A friend E-mailed it to me	Mar 23 20:01
amd-linux		Mar 23 20:02
amd-linux	we have a lot of tourists here, during oktoberfest many english people	Mar 23 20:03
amd-linux	man, are some of them drunk	Mar 23 20:03
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amd-linux	behind the tents of oktoberfest, there is unique smell….	Mar 23 20:03
amd-linux	I dont want to go into details	Mar 23 20:03
schestowitz	I’ll check my mail archive	Mar 23 20:04
schestowitz	I can’t find it	Mar 23 20:04
amd-linux	but if you find the link pls post it here, I will check the archive tomorrow	Mar 23 20:04
amd-linux	gotta go now good evening everybody	Mar 23 20:04
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schestowitz	re: TomTomaginot Line (OIN): “It would seem that the M$ reign of terror is coming to an end. And, it cannot happen to soon enough for me ! ” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_s…	Mar 23 20:09
schestowitz	Microsoft is like the US convoys that try to destroy socialism in South America because it’s ‘infectious’…… trying to ruin one deployment at a time but failing badly. http://apcmag.com/french-police-sw…	Mar 23 20:10
MinceR	is TomTom winning or something?	Mar 23 20:12
schestowitz	Giving Microsoft a big PR pain	Mar 23 20:12
schestowitz	MS vs OIN	Mar 23 20:12
MinceR	OIN?	Mar 23 20:13
schestowitz	Not long from now PearlyG will need to pull Myhrvoltroll out of his sack	Mar 23 20:13
schestowitz	When men were men they fought with swords	Mar 23 20:13
schestowitz	Then they fought with code	Mar 23 20:13
schestowitz	Enigma	Mar 23 20:14
schestowitz	Now they fight with pieces of paper	Mar 23 20:14
schestowitz	Patent applications in a pile	Mar 23 20:14
MinceR	m$ doesn’t even know what a man is	Mar 23 20:14
schestowitz	They have two	Mar 23 20:15
MinceR	who?	Mar 23 20:15
schestowitz	With squeaky voices	Mar 23 20:15
schestowitz	One bobs back and fourth like a pigeon and another barks like a CHIWAWA	Mar 23 20:16
schestowitz	“Microsoft is suffering during the financial crisis.” http://lodahl.blogspot.com/…	Mar 23 20:18
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schestowitz	Be sure to check this one out: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009…	Mar 23 20:18
schestowitz	Fraud at Barclays, brought to you by wikileaks	Mar 23 20:18
balzac	Looks like M$ lawsuit against Tom Tom has gone to the birds	Mar 23 20:23
schestowitz	You heard the Enderle shill	Mar 23 20:26
schestowitz	They wanted a quick settlement	Mar 23 20:26
schestowitz	He tried to do a favour for his buddies by intimidating TomTom	Mar 23 20:26
schestowitz	“Linux doesn’t care about you… you are going out of business, blah blah..”	Mar 23 20:27
balzac	I just read your top story on BN	Mar 23 20:27
schestowitz	And Matt Asay foolishly enough picked the bait from Microsoft and smeared it on the walls	Mar 23 20:27
schestowitz	LOL	Mar 23 20:27
schestowitz	It’s like with kids whom you tell not to play with Pooh… or Endere	Mar 23 20:27
balzac	They’ve licensed with OIN so M$ can’t shake them down. Isn’t that a correct reading of it?	Mar 23 20:27
schestowitz	We’ll see later. IANAL.	Mar 23 20:28
balzac	And they’re counter-suing MS, right?	Mar 23 20:28
schestowitz	http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s…	Mar 23 20:28
balzac	IANAL = I am not a lawyer	Mar 23 20:29
twitter	I’m starting a predatory lending blog. Links to interesting analysis will be appreciated http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jou…	Mar 23 20:29
balzac	If the blogger formerly known as “Wonkette” says “IANAL” she might be talking about something else.	Mar 23 20:30
schestowitz	She adds nothing significant, IMHO	Mar 23 20:30
schestowitz	twitter: aren’t they all predatory?	Mar 23 20:31
MinceR	schestowitz: those squeaky things don’t sound like men :>	Mar 23 20:31
balzac	except for some salacious and funny comments	Mar 23 20:31
schestowitz	It’s like “funny clown”	Mar 23 20:31
schestowitz	Or “smelly pig”	Mar 23 20:31
balzac	Venezuela’s Chavez calls Obama “ignoramus”	Mar 23 20:32
balzac	http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/i…	Mar 23 20:32
balzac	heheh	Mar 23 20:32
schestowitz	MinceR: bull. He’s a grown bull… at least physically. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbCmnRztK1Y Thinks like a 5 year ols though	Mar 23 20:32
schestowitz	balzac: bravo to him	Mar 23 20:32
balzac	Chavez is probably the only guy who can talk trash about Obama and suffer no loss of stature as a result.	Mar 23 20:33
schestowitz	I posted this here in the afternoon	Mar 23 20:33
schestowitz	Yes	Mar 23 20:33
schestowitz	I like Chavez	Mar 23 20:33
schestowitz	Did you know he recommends Chomsky’s writings? To the UK assembly even.	Mar 23 20:33
balzac	Yeah, I said on my DailyKos blog that Chavez was my president back in 2006.	Mar 23 20:33
balzac	not under a pseudonym	Mar 23 20:33
balzac	yep	Mar 23 20:33
schestowitz	It’s not Obama’s fault	Mar 23 20:34
schestowitz	It’s not his fault that he’s ignorasmus. They make him that way. gnorasms make ‘good’ leaders, more like front men. No knowledge, no consciousness.	Mar 23 20:34
schestowitz	Like in 1984, “ignorance is strength”	Mar 23 20:35
balzac	Well, I’m pretty happy about Obama, except that I am definitely not ok with the predator drones in Pakistan.	Mar 23 20:35
schestowitz	When Owell worked at the BBC he spoke about how they deliberately told lies — “propaganda”, not information	Mar 23 20:35
balzac	Thankfully, he’s talking about exit-plan from Afghanistan	Mar 23 20:35
schestowitz	He actually said that, when working for them, maybe afterwards.	Mar 23 20:35
schestowitz	Talk is cheap	Mar 23 20:36
balzac	indeed	Mar 23 20:36
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balzac	Obama should have made Kucinich head of the DOJ	Mar 23 20:36
schestowitz	Heh.	Mar 23 20:36
schestowitz	Yeah…	Mar 23 20:36
schestowitz	Or Jackson	Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz	He said the truth and got canned	Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz	he said Microsoft needed to face criminal charges	Mar 23 20:37
balzac	Jackson from the MS case.	Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz	He also called them “criminals”	Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz	Said the truth b asically	Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz	Like Chavez	Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz	Saying the truth gets one in trouble	Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz	We’re meant to recite consensus	Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz	balzac: Penfield yeah..	Mar 23 20:37
balzac	well, I’d say deputy AG for Judge Jackson. Prosecuting Bush is a just little bit more of a high priority than prosecuting MS.	Mar 23 20:38
schestowitz	Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable < http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/ne… > Old journalism is dying.	Mar 23 20:38
balzac	Prosecuting Microsoft is way down the list. There’s about 100+ members of congress who should go to jail first.	Mar 23 20:39
balzac	But I’m glad Jackson put criminal charges on the table for that case.	Mar 23 20:39
schestowitz	Splitting Microsoft	Mar 23 20:39
schestowitz	You know what happened then, right?	Mar 23 20:40
schestowitz	GWB came into the house (haus!)	Mar 23 20:40
balzac	The “Supreme” court over-ruled the election results and Bush over-ruled Penfield.	Mar 23 20:40
schestowitz	So it’s all connected. Microsoft contributes a lot to candidates in more than one way.	Mar 23 20:40
schestowitz	Theft of the election is another thing	Mar 23 20:41
schestowitz	Sad for the United States	Mar 23 20:41
schestowitz	Which is apt at slamming the elections at other countries.	Mar 23 20:41
_Hicham_1	the United States is a bad example for the world	Mar 23 20:42
balzac	Beer Hall Butsch took over der Vite Haus	Mar 23 20:42
schestowitz	KY Election Officials Arrested, Charged With ‘Changing Votes at E-Voting Machines’< http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7001 >	Mar 23 20:42
schestowitz	_Hicham_1: which is a good example in your eyes?	Mar 23 20:43
_Hicham_1	balzac : I will vote for u to be the president of the US	Mar 23 20:43
schestowitz	I think Finland has the least corruption?	Mar 23 20:43
_Hicham_1	Roy : Scandinavian countries	Mar 23 20:43
_Hicham_1	Roy : exactly	Mar 23 20:43
_Hicham_1	u got it	Mar 23 20:43
balzac	_Hicham_1: thanks, but I’d prefer to remain in the private sector.	Mar 23 20:43
_Hicham_1	there is no better democracy than in Scandinavian countries	Mar 23 20:44
balzac	Maybe you can help me as an entrepreneur instead.	Mar 23 20:44
_Hicham_1	is ur business going well?	Mar 23 20:44
balzac	www.disruptech.com	Mar 23 20:44
balzac	Like Steve Ballmer screamed “Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!”	Mar 23 20:45
balzac	That’s what I need to get my business moving.	Mar 23 20:45
_Hicham_1	it is said that MS is developer centric	Mar 23 20:46
schestowitz	Yes, they rely on developers	Mar 23 20:46
_Hicham_1	is that true Roy?	Mar 23 20:46
schestowitz	Centric means what here?	Mar 23 20:47
schestowitz	They they rely on free labour	Mar 23 20:47
schestowitz	And if you succeed like Netscape, then they steal your business	Mar 23 20:47
schestowitz	“cut the air supply”	Mar 23 20:47
schestowitz	Developers know to well to stay away from Microsoft.. It’s a predator.	Mar 23 20:47
schestowitz	They are happy as long as your software increases Microsoft sales, e.g. Windows	Mar 23 20:48
_Hicham_1	that means here that it is the developers who take decisions	Mar 23 20:48
_Hicham_1	not pure managers	Mar 23 20:48
schestowitz	Kind of like Bush…. Iraq is cool, as long as it bring home the oil (or bacon)	Mar 23 20:48
schestowitz	It’s a natural tendency for corporations and nations	Mar 23 20:48
schestowitz	Nations ARE corporations	Mar 23 20:48
_Hicham_1	Iraq is fucked while the world was watching	Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz	In most modern nations the companies run the nation	Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz	Adverttise the candidates	Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz	Linux is Switzerland status	Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz	Safe for developers	Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz	Windodw sis not	Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz	Which is why FOSS devs should be warned about becoming vassals to Windows	Mar 23 20:49
_Hicham_1	Roy : Windows is safer for developers	Mar 23 20:50
_Hicham_1	it brings a lot of money	Mar 23 20:50
schestowitz	To whom?	Mar 23 20:50
_Hicham_1	to developers	Mar 23 20:50
schestowitz	There are a lot of competition there.	Mar 23 20:50
_Hicham_1	Windows is taking over 95% of the desktop	Mar 23 20:50
schestowitz	It’s not as though making AutoCAD cross platform would mean less money	Mar 23 20:50
schestowitz	Not 95%	Mar 23 20:50
schestowitz	Less than 90%	Mar 23 20:50
_Hicham_1	how much?	Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz	Desktop onlu	Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1	are u sure?	Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz	*ly	Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz	Yes, pretty much so	Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1	yes, desktop	Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1	very much	Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1	so commercial apps will still go Windows	Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz	GNU/Linux is big in countries other than the US, UK, AU…	Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz	There’s Wine	Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1	especially Games	Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz	Some test it for wine compatibility	Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz	Consoles	Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1	not the same performance	Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz	For games	Mar 23 20:51
MinceR	consoles suck	Mar 23 20:52
schestowitz	Yes	Mar 23 20:52
schestowitz	Like people who spend 100 hrs/wee gaming	Mar 23 20:52
_Hicham_1	that is not how game developers are gonna be attracted	Mar 23 20:52
balzac	_Hicham_1: I’m quite interested in game-development	Mar 23 20:53
_Hicham_1	Roy : games and porn are the main uses of computers	Mar 23 20:53
_Hicham_1	and u know that	Mar 23 20:53
balzac	There will be big changes with all the proprietary software and high-end hardware drivers	Mar 23 20:53
balzac	Games are going to be liberated and it’s going to be a body-blow to Microsoft when that industry reaches the tipping-point towards being based on FOSS.	Mar 23 20:54
_Hicham_1	gamers are not very patient	Mar 23 20:54
_Hicham_1	not with what is it like today	Mar 23 20:54
balzac	gamers – I don’t concern myself with the gamers who don’t care about software freedom.	Mar 23 20:54
balzac	they are the market-share to be harvested from proprietary game companies, but I won’t waste time trying to make them care. I just want to make great games which captivate them.	Mar 23 20:55
_Hicham_1	balzac : if we want to combat microsoft , we should concern ourselves about gamers, and movie watchers	Mar 23 20:55
_Hicham_1	to captivate people, u must make things easy	Mar 23 20:55
balzac	but I have lots of ambition and not much else.	Mar 23 20:55
_Hicham_1	kinda Ubuntu like	Mar 23 20:55
schestowitz	French police switch from Windows to Linux < http://apcmag.com/french-police-s… >	Mar 23 20:55
_Hicham_1	i know balzac	Mar 23 20:56
_Hicham_1	i like ur website by the way	Mar 23 20:56
balzac	thanks	Mar 23 20:56
_Hicham_1	did u design it by urself?	Mar 23 20:56
balzac	It’s the acquia Marina theme, but I wrote the content and made the slide show you see.	Mar 23 20:57
schestowitz	_Hicham_1: mint handles media OK. PCLOS likewise	Mar 23 20:57
schestowitz	So media is not a big issue	Mar 23 20:57
schestowitz	Myth rather	Mar 23 20:57
balzac	_Hicham_1: what is your area of expertise?	Mar 23 20:57
balzac	please msg me about it	Mar 23 20:57
_Hicham_1	balzac : i dont have an area exactly	Mar 23 20:59
balzac	well, let’s discuss briefly anyway	Mar 23 20:59
_Hicham_1	balzac : do u use the xmlsitemap module?	Mar 23 20:59
balzac	not yet	Mar 23 20:59
balzac	check pm	Mar 23 20:59
schestowitz	Is Ballmer conceding victory to Linux Netbooks? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505… > Dumping software = losing	Mar 23 21:03
schestowitz	There are many rebuttals to a troll article. This is foolish. I personally thinks it’s better not to feed the trolls from IDG. They’ll carry on provoking Firefox users for traffic if you feed them.	Mar 23 21:12
schestowitz	Another pusher for assimilating all Linux users….. making them more like Windows, so what would be achieved? Centralizing Linux < http://www.workswithu.com/2009/0… >	Mar 23 21:22
twitter	talk of nationalization, -> “It would possibly be cheaper to nationalize the banks, get new management and sell the assets off, rather than heavily subsidize or bribe asset managers into taking part in this program,” said Windheim, whose firm manages $1.7 billion in assets. “It’s the same managers who got us into the financial mess who are now going to benefit.”	Mar 23 21:28
twitter	http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi…	Mar 23 21:28
twitter	going to look at Ballmer’s defeat	Mar 23 21:29
trmanco	takes it’s time to load the page	Mar 23 21:30
trmanco	ah, finally	Mar 23 21:30
twitter	ha ha, Ballmer is wrong on two counts. First, the supposed $500 for the Apple logo is worth it because the computer works – that’s not something that can be said for Vista.	Mar 23 21:31
twitter	second, the $500 difference is not visible on M$ laptops anyway. for that, you have to get a GNU/Linux laptop which also happens to work.	Mar 23 21:31
MinceR	let’s not get carried away with the superlatives now	Mar 23 21:32
MinceR	next time you’re going to say that a usable apple product exists	Mar 23 21:32
twitter	Compare Dell’s luxury laptop to Mac’s Air. The Dell cost more, but both are $2000 computers	Mar 23 21:32
schestowitz	KDE4/QT4 client for Identi.ca and twitter: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/s…	Mar 23 21:32
twitter	Apple makes things that are usable, but not things that are free.	Mar 23 21:33
trmanco	I have to agree with twitter	Mar 23 21:33
schestowitz	“It would possibly be cheaper to nationalize the banks, get new management and sell the assets off” http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p…	Mar 23 21:34
MinceR	comparing a dell to a mac is like trying to decide which piece of turd is better	Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz	In a way	Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz	Mac vs PC = cock fight	Mar 23 21:35
trmanco	lol	Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz	Addresses nothing about real changes	Mar 23 21:35
MinceR	i’d specify it more as “windows pc”	Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz	Like choosing which death	Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz	Both cocks (roosters) peck at each other	Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz	And harm users	Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz	Mocking one another too	Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz	Bribing politicians	Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz	Spending billions on imposed stupidity	Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz	(advertising)	Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz	Linux doesn’t do this spiel	Mar 23 21:36
trmanco	and blinding each other	Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz	And it works really, really well.	Mar 23 21:36
twitter	sure but the M$ side is completely idiotic because their crap ends up costing more and never works.	Mar 23 21:36
twitter	Every M$ argument against software freedom is provided better by Apple.	Mar 23 21:37
schestowitz	roy@baine:~$ uptime	Mar 23 21:37
schestowitz	21:17:00 up 56 days, 11:18, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 0.20, 0.17	Mar 23 21:37
twitter	you have reliable power, Roy.	Mar 23 21:37
schestowitz	Yes, admittedly	Mar 23 21:37
trmanco	yeah…	Mar 23 21:37
schestowitz	No need to UPS	Mar 23 21:37
twitter	my laptops look like that.	Mar 23 21:37
trmanco	I need to get myself a UPS	Mar 23 21:37
schestowitz	In certain areas the supply is more erratic for gegraphical reasons	Mar 23 21:38
schestowitz	Like storms	Mar 23 21:38
twitter	I have UPS but it only works for an hour or so before I have to put my systems down.	Mar 23 21:38
twitter	The fault here is ratty utility lines	Mar 23 21:38
schestowitz	Storms don’t help, do they?	Mar 23 21:38
schestowitz	It’s hard to keep it in check and rebuild I imagine….	Mar 23 21:39
trmanco	yeah, but it’s better than cutting you computer/system power, directly	Mar 23 21:39
twitter	Out of state contractors were shocked at the poor quality of work they were told to re create after the last hurricane.	Mar 23 21:39
trmanco	a 15 minute ups system would be great for me	Mar 23 21:39
_Hicham_1	trmanco : it is cheap then	Mar 23 21:39
twitter	It’s really a pain in the ass to have to shell into my boxes and shut them down.	Mar 23 21:39
schestowitz	Flameheadline: Is Linux only for the poor? < http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2285 >	Mar 23 21:39
_Hicham_1	a 15 min UPS is less than a $100	Mar 23 21:40
trmanco	yeah I know	Mar 23 21:40
twitter	the real benefit is isolating the systems from wild swings as the lines go up and down.	Mar 23 21:40
schestowitz	I can recall outages in 2006	Mar 23 21:41
schestowitz	Usually it uninterrupted for years.	Mar 23 21:42
trmanco	power in my area sucks, with heavy rain are a little of thunder, the power lines will get unstable	Mar 23 21:42
trmanco	or*	Mar 23 21:42
schestowitz	The European Commission replied again today only to confirm that it’s willing to shoot itself in the foot	Mar 23 21:46
twitter	Chris Dawson …. Windows user writing about GNU/Linux. Why do magazines do that?	Mar 23 21:46
twitter	“we still largely use Windows and OS X, despite my fondness for Linux. We’ve been granted the funding to do so in the last couple of years and my primary goal has been instructional integration of computing, rather than worrying about training for a Linux roll out”	Mar 23 21:46
twitter	WTF? Better to do that “training” now than be forced to do it with Vista.	Mar 23 21:46
schestowitz	They don’t respect their own instructions or directives.	Mar 23 21:47
schestowitz	twitter: Dawson is OK	Mar 23 21:47
schestowitz	I used to slam him blindly for a short whole only because I confused him with Marc Wagner	Mar 23 21:47
schestowitz	They shared the “education” blog	Mar 23 21:47
schestowitz	There’s a colleague of his who’s a sucker for Microsoft and Linux hater	Mar 23 21:48
schestowitz	Dawson is kind of fanboyish	Mar 23 21:48
twitter	I’m not slamming him, only commenting on the fact that the magazine needs to have a GNU/Linux desktop user writing about GNU/Linux	Mar 23 21:48
schestowitz	Nothing breaking… just jingling Linux banal stuff.	Mar 23 21:48
twitter	He’s also swallowed the “training” lie.	Mar 23 21:48
schestowitz	Which?	Mar 23 21:48
schestowitz	ZDNET?	Mar 23 21:49
schestowitz	Inherently corrupt	Mar 23 21:49
twitter	See above quote for training lie, which he’s used for his own planning.	Mar 23 21:49
schestowitz	The only Linux user they have there AFAIK is Zonker and he’s with MS/Novell	Mar 23 21:49
twitter	Eeeek!	Mar 23 21:49
schestowitz	WTF is this site?	Mar 23 21:50
schestowitz	Ubuntu haters?	Mar 23 21:50
schestowitz	http://ubuntard.com/2009/03/bl…	Mar 23 21:50
schestowitz	Ubuntard?	Mar 23 21:50
schestowitz	It’s a new site	Mar 23 21:50
twitter	nice	Mar 23 21:51
schestowitz	http://ubuntard.com/about/	Mar 23 21:51
schestowitz	Trolls.	Mar 23 21:51
schestowitz	Well, I don’t know why Susan fed ‘em	Mar 23 21:51
trmanco	just rm -fr that	Mar 23 21:53
twitter	there was a site offering awful Debian Administration advice. had debian in the url too	Mar 23 21:53
schestowitz	http://www.christian-loose.de/2009/… “Both features will be available with KDE 4.3. Have fun!”	Mar 23 21:53
twitter	cool	Mar 23 21:54
trmanco	http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/20…	Mar 23 22:47
schestowitz	OOXML Assim Não!	Mar 23 22:50
trmanco		Mar 23 22:50
trmanco	makes perfect sense	Mar 23 22:50
trmanco	(your phrase)	Mar 23 22:51
MinceR	gn	Mar 23 22:54
trmanco	?	Mar 23 22:55
MinceR	good night	Mar 23 23:02
trmanco	ah ok, gn to you too	Mar 23 23:04
schestowitz	gn=gnome. He’s logging off kde and coming back in a minute	Mar 23 23:06
trmanco	lol	Mar 23 23:11
MinceR	:/	Mar 23 23:13
_Hicham_1	OOXML pisses me off	Mar 23 23:37
schestowitz	Corruption is annoying, esp. when others turn a cold shoulder to it	Mar 23 23:38
balzac	_Hicham_1: why no email?	Mar 23 23:48
_Hicham_1	my email?	Mar 23 23:54