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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 21st, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:03 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz Rugged Linux Server For Rural, Tropical Environment?  < http://ask.slashdot.org/article… > Apr 21 00:01
schestowitz Slashdot has been weird in recent years Apr 21 00:01
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schestowitz It’s Linux-shy and it has Microsoft marketing people in it Apr 21 00:01
schestowitz .In the community that is Apr 21 00:01
DavidGerard that IT WOrld article reads like it was computer generated Apr 21 00:01
DavidGerard a markov chain or something Apr 21 00:01
DavidGerard the microsoft astroturfers on slashdot are marvellous fun Apr 21 00:02
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DavidGerard they’re getting tired and desperate, wondering how long the marketing funding will hold out or if they’re next in the layoffs Apr 21 00:04
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DavidGerard brb, kid to bed Apr 21 00:04
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MinceR and if that wasn’t enough /. has long ago been overrun by drooling crApple fanboys Apr 21 00:06
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schestowitz Microsoft makes less than $15 for each netbook Windows XP Home copy http://www.hexus.net/content/ite… Apr 21 00:07
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MinceR my only question about the palm webos is: when will i be able to run native linux apps on it that have access to the gui and the phone hw? Apr 21 00:09
Balrog MinceR: no AFAIK Apr 21 00:10
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MinceR gn Apr 21 00:11
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schestowitz Ooo got busy after the Sun/Oracle annnouncement. Hours later: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFO… Apr 21 00:13
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MinceR but when are they going to fix the color handling bugs? Apr 21 00:14
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MinceR at least the font handling seems to be a little less shitty in ooo now Apr 21 00:16
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mib_05oei7 mib_45eu6f mib_ermi8h mib_ey0o48 mib_obw0n1 MinceR Apr 21 00:16
schestowitz 3.1 is out soon Apr 21 00:17
schestowitz Also, this is supposed to have some nice antialiasing bits Apr 21 00:17
mib_05oei7 mib_45eu6f mib_ermi8h mib_ey0o48 mib_obw0n1 MinceR Apr 21 00:17
balzac http://www.cracked.com/blog/billy-bo… Apr 21 00:18
balzac billy bob’s canada interview is hilarious, expecially with the sub-titles Apr 21 00:18
schestowitz What If Vista 7 Starter Isn’t Meant to Just Stop Linux on Netbooks?  < http://ostatic.com/blog/what-if-windows… > Apr 21 00:18
MinceR writer seems to handle colors correctly, but calc still ignores background colors Apr 21 00:18
mib_05oei7 mib_45eu6f mib_ermi8h mib_ey0o48 mib_obw0n1 MinceR Apr 21 00:19
schestowitz MinceR: tell Oracle to fix it Apr 21 00:19
MinceR i’m on 2.4 Apr 21 00:19
MinceR :) Apr 21 00:19
schestowitz /s/tell/beg/ Apr 21 00:19
MinceR i’ll get the message to them by choosing to use gnome office instead Apr 21 00:19
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_Hicham_ Hi Roy! Apr 21 00:21
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schestowitz Hey, what’s up? Apr 21 00:23
_Hicham_ nothing Apr 21 00:24
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_Hicham_ a friend asked me last night to fix his webcam driver on Vista Apr 21 00:24
_Hicham_ but it is very problematic Apr 21 00:24
schestowitz hehe. New: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… Apr 21 00:25
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schestowitz _Hicham_: the friend, the Vista, or the webcam? Apr 21 00:25
balzac http://www.fsdaily.com/HighEnd/Intel_w… Apr 21 00:25
balzac I wonder what oiahm would say about that ^^^ Apr 21 00:25
_Hicham_ schestowitz : Vista and the Webcam Apr 21 00:26
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schestowitz _Hicham_: why did the friend use Vista? :-) Apr 21 00:28
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_Hicham_ schestowitz : it was preinstalled of course Apr 21 00:28
schestowitz So the OEM is a problem too Apr 21 00:28
schestowitz A liability if you like Apr 21 00:28
DavidGerard what’s the value proposition for ICC? why do intel not free it up and therefore sell more intel CPUs? Apr 21 00:28
schestowitz Part of the racketeering loophole Apr 21 00:28
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DavidGerard sun hasn’t freed up forte either, but they have expressly declared that gcc compatiblility is needed Apr 21 00:29
_Hicham_ schestowitz : Vista locks people into it Apr 21 00:29
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DavidGerard i.e. you can link forte modules to gcc modules for C in Solaris 10, and they aim for you to be able to link C++ in Solaris 11 Apr 21 00:30
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DavidGerard thus ending one of the great pains in a solaris admin’s life: stuff compiled with one compiler that won’t work properly with stuff compiled with the other one, e.g. the operating system Apr 21 00:30
DavidGerard i suppose that’s driven by minimising sysadmin pain, which is how sun makes friends Apr 21 00:30
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DavidGerard on a different topic, the ad on this mibbit window is: “Win Primark – Win a thousand pound Primark voucher! Free competition.” Apr 21 00:33
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DavidGerard i’m trying and failing to picture anyone buying £1000 of primark in one go. Apr 21 00:33
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schestowitz LOL Apr 21 00:34
schestowitz Primark Apr 21 00:34
schestowitz More like £1 Apr 21 00:35
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schestowitz So you can buy 1000 tshirts Apr 21 00:35
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schestowitz by Dave Rosenberg forgot to include Novell in this list? http://news.cnet.com/8301-138… Apr 21 00:40
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_Hicham_ schestowitz : congratulations for the new wiki style Apr 21 00:44
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ushimitsudoki1 schestowitz: the original article referenced by Rosenberg is more interesting, but not much about software. AIG isn’t going anywhere, it just intends to change names ala Gator -> Claria. I heard an intersting tidbit about it on a NPR radio show, which it why it caught my eye here Apr 21 00:47
schestowitz Haliburton changed names too Apr 21 00:48
schestowitz _Hicham_: thanks. The Wiki needs your help Apr 21 00:48
ushimitsudoki1 Sadly, changing names is usually quite effective Apr 21 00:48
schestowitz Open an account, swat typos, add pages, anything you see suitable Apr 21 00:48
schestowitz ushimitsudoki1: it is Apr 21 00:48
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balzac Who thinks Sun would be doing better now if they’d released the Solaris kernel under GPLv3? Apr 21 01:00
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ushimitsudoki1 balzac: we as a society would be doing better. it looks like it doesn’t really matter for Sun anymore now, though, I’d say. Apr 21 01:01
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balzac well, that’s what can happen to companies which don’t see the opportunity in embracing the gold standard of free software and open source software licenses Apr 21 01:06
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balzac Sun made Solaris irrelevant with the CDDL Apr 21 01:06
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oiaohm Ok any particular reason why boycott novell now goes to wiki schestowitz Apr 21 01:07
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balzac We’ll see if Larry Ellison and his giant yacht will be smarter Apr 21 01:07
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balzac http://www.fsdaily.com/HighEnd/Intel… Apr 21 01:07
DavidGerard i wonder if oracle will continue with btrfs, will make zfs suitable for linux or both Apr 21 01:08
oiaohm Oracle coder working on btrfs does not particularly like zfs Apr 21 01:08
DavidGerard schestowitz: you may want to take an archival copy of that tomboy blog post. it’s getting quite a lot of flame comments. Apr 21 01:08
balzac oiaohm: what do you think of the intel GCC news? Apr 21 01:08
oiaohm Intel going into gcc is a clean up crew. Apr 21 01:08
balzac schestowitz went offline Apr 21 01:08
oiaohm Bit like intel going into X.org Apr 21 01:09
balzac oiaohm: do not doubt the power of GNU Apr 21 01:09
balzac I told you didn’t I? Apr 21 01:09
oiaohm Results are going to be intresting.  The personal going in have years of complier development skills. Apr 21 01:09
oiaohm Gcc is crap. Apr 21 01:09
oiaohm It needs all the help it can get. Apr 21 01:10
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balzac Open Sourcers will bow to the hairy-side of the force Apr 21 01:10
oiaohm Intel will respect gcc licence. Apr 21 01:10
oiaohm Intel has many good reasons to go in there. Apr 21 01:10
balzac You cannot imagine the POWAH of GAH-NOO Apr 21 01:11
oiaohm gcc produced binarys are slow performing things.  So when atom processors and the like are benched marked on Linux they don’t look as good as they could. Apr 21 01:11
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balzac respect is due Apr 21 01:11
oiaohm Intell Icc complier also barely sells. Apr 21 01:11
oiaohm pgroup out sells intel in the complier world. Apr 21 01:12
balzac GNU means Biznass Apr 21 01:12
oiaohm We might see intel give up making there own complier. Apr 21 01:12
oiaohm Do you know the faults of gcc balzac Apr 21 01:12
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oiaohm Its founded on a stack of flawed ideas. Apr 21 01:13
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oiaohm Lack of link time optimisation makes gcc bloated and slow. Apr 21 01:13
oiaohm Lack of formal internal design followed makes gcc source code messy. Apr 21 01:14
oiaohm Basically gcc has the same problems X.org has. Apr 21 01:14
oiaohm There is nothing wrong with being open source but that is still no justification to poor project management. Apr 21 01:14
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balzac oiaohm: looks like GCC has some juice Apr 21 01:16
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balzac oiaohm: you’re aware that almost every free software project starts technologically inferior to proprietary alternatives, right? Apr 21 01:17
mib_cdqu1o organic growth Apr 21 01:18
balzac not all, but quite a lot – they start small, but by the strength of that GNU license, they rise up to the challenge of their rival Apr 21 01:18
balzac winning the fight for survival Apr 21 01:18
mib_cdqu1o natural – evolutionary cs. design Apr 21 01:18
mib_cdqu1o vs. Apr 21 01:18
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balzac The strength of the Linux Kernel project was and remains the GNU license Apr 21 01:19
mib_cdqu1o More a snow ball effect Apr 21 01:19
mib_cdqu1o or a black hole Apr 21 01:19
mib_cdqu1o software gravitation. Apr 21 01:19
balzac mib_cdqu1o: you’ve got it Apr 21 01:19
balzac it’s the center of gravity which develops with a strong license which protects the code contributors from getting taken for a ride Apr 21 01:20
mib_cdqu1o using, administration and development. no clear divide Apr 21 01:20
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balzac As one tech writer puts it, the “disruptive technology” of GNU/Linux is GNU Apr 21 01:20
mib_cdqu1o You want the pictures from your camera, so you hack an existing driver and publish your research ecc. Apr 21 01:21
mib_cdqu1o No incentive in disclosure Apr 21 01:21
mib_cdqu1o in non-disclosure Apr 21 01:21
oiaohm Linux is evolution. Apr 21 01:21
oiaohm Linux kernel is not as big as mess as gcc has got in places. Apr 21 01:21
mib_cdqu1o you cannot kill development except with patents. Apr 21 01:22
oiaohm evolution without some form of natural seletion is not good. Apr 21 01:22
mib_cdqu1o invisible hand Apr 21 01:22
oiaohm Gcc for years was ok you want to port do what you want to it. Apr 21 01:22
oiaohm Don’t care that it breaks the cross complier support Apr 21 01:23
mib_cdqu1o good core and vital community. Apr 21 01:23
_boo_ it’s not documented properly, oiaohm Apr 21 01:23
balzac oiaohm: why don’t you just take a moment to feel the disturbance in the force Apr 21 01:23
oiaohm Don’t care that you are only surface is wrong. Apr 21 01:23
balzac feel the gnu power, the hairy side of the force Apr 21 01:23
oiaohm Difference between Linux and Gcc is a good maintainer. Apr 21 01:23
oiaohm Lot of open source projects forgot the importance of the maintainer. Apr 21 01:24
oiaohm The door keeper of quality. Apr 21 01:24
balzac are you throwing your name in the hat? Apr 21 01:24
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oiaohm Maintainer is a very specialised skill set. Apr 21 01:25
oiaohm I am too blut to be a good Maintainer. Apr 21 01:25
balzac blut you are Apr 21 01:25
mib_0b4emb the maintainer is also responsible for all code & bug-fixes to said app Apr 21 01:25
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oiaohm Main job of a good maintainer is not really doing the coding. Apr 21 01:26
oiaohm For the large projects. Apr 21 01:26
oiaohm Its more management. Apr 21 01:26
mib_0b4emb yes, the maintainer should get more recognition Apr 21 01:26
oiaohm Making sure patch quality is there. Apr 21 01:26
oiaohm Making sure bugs are allocated to developers. Apr 21 01:27
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oiaohm Making sure documentation gets made. Apr 21 01:27
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mib_0b4emb i would still like to see roy put up a BN forum Apr 21 01:28
oiaohm For good mainatiners most of the time one the project gets big they don’t have time to write code. Apr 21 01:28
mib_cdqu1o Microsoft reinvents the “Commons”: http://seattletimes.nwsource.co… Apr 21 01:28
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balzac good night Apr 21 01:29
mib_y46t88 OpenSuse is best avoid then? Apr 21 01:29
mib_cdqu1o http://www.englishbreakfastnetwo… Apr 21 01:29
balzac yes, avoid it Apr 21 01:29
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mib_cdqu1o come on Apr 21 01:29
mib_cdqu1o Open Suse is fine because it will survive Novell. Apr 21 01:30
oiaohm The other thing is the importances of those maintainers being paid full time to do it. Apr 21 01:30
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mib_y46t88 Like this quote”Many SUSE developers have already left the building.” :) Apr 21 01:32
oiaohm I have watched projects over the years.  The projects with good quality maintainers payed full time have developed faster than ones without it. Apr 21 01:32
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mib_cdqu1o Novell systematically destroyed Suse which was by far the most consumer ready distribution Apr 21 01:39
oiaohm Myth Apr 21 01:40
mib_cdqu1o I still believe that Gnome is a conspiracy. Apr 21 01:40
oiaohm Mandriva/Mandrake was always equal to Suse Apr 21 01:40
mib_cdqu1o Ok, but Mandriva and Suse are in the same boat Apr 21 01:40
oiaohm Suse was dieing before Novell took over. Apr 21 01:41
mib_cdqu1o no Apr 21 01:41
oiaohm It was. Apr 21 01:41
oiaohm More people were using mandrake than it. Apr 21 01:41
mib_cdqu1o :-) Apr 21 01:41
mib_cdqu1o Listen son… Apr 21 01:41
oiaohm Novell just speed it up. Apr 21 01:41
mib_cdqu1o The consumer market doesn’t commercially matter –yet Apr 21 01:42
mib_cdqu1o What counts is servers. Apr 21 01:42
oiaohm Then that is redhat. Apr 21 01:42
mib_cdqu1o RedHat totally disengaged from the consumer market Apr 21 01:42
oiaohm Again redhat was also kicking suse tail before Novell took over. Apr 21 01:42
mib_cdqu1o Suse was THE kde distribution Apr 21 01:42
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oiaohm I know the history of Suse well. Apr 21 01:43
mib_cdqu1o and the Desktop leader at Novell became Apr 21 01:43
oiaohm Not really. Apr 21 01:43
mib_cdqu1o the anti-KDE technology troll Apr 21 01:43
mib_cdqu1o everything worked fine Apr 21 01:43
oiaohm mandrake always had a KDE isntall mode. Apr 21 01:44
oiaohm Problem is I have been a KDE user for a Long time. Apr 21 01:44
mib_cdqu1o Novell added red carpet Apr 21 01:44
oiaohm I barely have used Suse. Apr 21 01:44
mib_g4ogvz i’m not keen on mandrake Apr 21 01:44
mib_cdqu1o Why? Apr 21 01:44
mib_cdqu1o Because red carpet was developed by ximian. Apr 21 01:44
oiaohm Novell aquired red carpet. Apr 21 01:44
mib_cdqu1o Suse, the KDE distribution, with a loyal customer base. Apr 21 01:45
mib_cdqu1o Nat and Icaza don’t give a shit and standardise on Gnome. Apr 21 01:45
mib_cdqu1o Because it is their technology Apr 21 01:45
mib_g4ogvz Whats red carpet? Apr 21 01:45
mib_cdqu1o This was not a customer demand Apr 21 01:45
oiaohm gnome installer mib_g4ogvz Apr 21 01:45
mib_g4ogvz OK thanks Apr 21 01:46
mib_cdqu1o A half-baked ximian technology that broke your install Apr 21 01:46
mib_g4ogvz sounds like a Windows in-place upgrade! Apr 21 01:46
mib_g4ogvz that always messes up… Apr 21 01:46
mib_cdqu1o Ximian = we write and own a technology preview, spread it, and then let the infected pay Apr 21 01:46
oiaohm mib_g4ogvz: worse. Apr 21 01:46
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mib_cdqu1o Or: next example Apr 21 01:47
oiaohm I agree the idea to change from KDE to Gnome was stupid. Apr 21 01:47
mib_cdqu1o It was not stupid per se. Apr 21 01:48
oiaohm Suse was not the only distribution to make that mistake. Apr 21 01:48
mib_cdqu1o Novell made the mistake for Suse Apr 21 01:48
oiaohm It was stupid you users expect one thing change to something they don’t expect and think you will keep market. Apr 21 01:48
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mib_cdqu1o The whole gnome project is a divide et impera project. Apr 21 01:49
oiaohm I really wish Icaza would not have a following. Apr 21 01:49
oiaohm He as causes lots and lots of problems. Apr 21 01:49
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mib_cdqu1o The problem is that he does not abide to european quality standards Apr 21 01:50
mib_g4ogvz I was reading about Linspire here. That whole Linspire thing sounds so outdated now. Apr 21 01:50
mib_cdqu1o Lindows Apr 21 01:50
mib_cdqu1o It was announced as Lindows, then changed to Linspire. Apr 21 01:50
mib_cdqu1o Question: Where is the Linspire source code gone? Apr 21 01:50
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oiaohm After getting a big block of cash from MS to do that. Apr 21 01:50
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mib_g4ogvz Yeah I mean things have matured now, there are many stable easy to use Linux OS now. Apr 21 01:51
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mib_cdqu1o Same with United Linux = Turbo, Connectiva, Suse etc standardise their platform Apr 21 01:51
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mib_cdqu1o Yes, and the problem of all the old distributions is rpm lock-in. Apr 21 01:52
mib_cdqu1o Do you know MoonOs? Apr 21 01:53
oiaohm LOL Apr 21 01:53
oiaohm I don’t call Linux desktop stable. Apr 21 01:53
mib_cdqu1o It is just another Ubuntu derivate Apr 21 01:53
oiaohm They are many key things that have to happen first. Apr 21 01:53
mib_g4ogvz I’m listening……. Apr 21 01:53
oiaohm Linux imported X11 internally its was crap. Apr 21 01:53
mib_cdqu1o More tests? Apr 21 01:54
oiaohm X.org driver subsystem rewrite has to complete. Apr 21 01:54
oiaohm Linux kernel is slowly getting on top of its locking issues. Apr 21 01:54
oiaohm and at some point the mess of the audio stack has to be taken on. Apr 21 01:55
mib_g4ogvz What are locking issues? Apr 21 01:55
oiaohm Causes system to pause when it should not mib_g4ogvz Apr 21 01:55
mib_cdqu1o But I find no problems with audio anymore. Apr 21 01:55
mib_g4ogvz OK Apr 21 01:55
mib_cdqu1o Audio works out of the box Apr 21 01:55
oiaohm Stick you nose in the source code of the audio driver stack. Apr 21 01:55
mib_cdqu1o except when they try somethign new. Apr 21 01:55
oiaohm It needs work. Apr 21 01:55
oiaohm pulseaudio also need to go. Apr 21 01:56
oiaohm Its a extra layor with features that should be in the main driver level. Apr 21 01:56
mib_cdqu1o You mean a CUPS for audio Apr 21 01:56
oiaohm CUPS being userspace makes perfect sence. Apr 21 01:56
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oiaohm Most operations from cups is to userspace items. Apr 21 01:57
mib_cdqu1o What I wonder is why there is no hub for one issue that deals with it completely Apr 21 01:57
oiaohm X11 need to be fixed first. Apr 21 01:57
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mib_g4ogvz I agree if you mean there needs to be 1 co-ordinating body for development. Apr 21 01:58
oiaohm X11 like had a really major defect.  Single thread emulating multing threat a core. Apr 21 01:58
mib_cdqu1o Say one well funded project that is tasked to care about support for “all webcams” Apr 21 01:58
oiaohm So tool kits like GTK were protecting X11 from it. Apr 21 01:58
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oiaohm Instead of fixing X11. Apr 21 01:58
oiaohm This is the problem. Apr 21 01:58
oiaohm People have the dumb idea put another layer on top that will fix it. Apr 21 01:58
oiaohm Don’t fix the core. Apr 21 01:59
mib_cdqu1o X.org Apr 21 01:59
oiaohm X.org alterations move sections into kernel space where they should have been. Apr 21 01:59
oiaohm So fixing up threading issues.  Application accessing video card issues…. Apr 21 01:59
mib_cdqu1o The problem is when you have the hackish hardware support bazar with x projects Apr 21 02:00
oiaohm Running a service means that you have to get cpu time to the service so you can process application requests. Apr 21 02:00
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oiaohm Running the same feature in kernel. Apr 21 02:00
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oiaohm Processing the request comes out of the applications time. Apr 21 02:00
mib_g4ogvz I think one body should take the role of co-ordinating what needs to be done, maybe FSF?? Apr 21 02:00
oiaohm One body is not required. Apr 21 02:00
oiaohm Simplely people stoping being stupid. Apr 21 02:01
oiaohm You don’t hack the tool kit level to fix a X11 problem.  Instead you should fix the soruce. Apr 21 02:01
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mib_g4ogvz Thats being optimistic:) Apr 21 02:01
oiaohm You don’t fix X11 confliting with other applications by staying userspace. Apr 21 02:02
oiaohm That has happend. Apr 21 02:02
mib_g4ogvz Interesting…. Apr 21 02:02
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oiaohm We need equal to happen in the audio section of Linux. Apr 21 02:02
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oiaohm they have had years of making sound servers and they have not learnt yet it is not the solution. Apr 21 02:02
oiaohm X11 under the rebuild is more secure too. Apr 21 02:03
oiaohm It no longer need to run as root. Apr 21 02:03
oiaohm Secuirty is another thing users are overlooking. Apr 21 02:04
mib_cdqu1o gurcoo syncronises some players but violates the coding sytels of bloo, Bla syncronises just your ipod, blbla is based on Funsung donated code but works with 50% of all fudzi players, blafoo is part of the KDE project, so Gnome develops its own solution, blopy makes python available Apr 21 02:04
oiaohm Linux Desktop has never been secure. Apr 21 02:04
mib_cdqu1o You see what I mean Apr 21 02:04
mib_cdqu1o Hardware from the grounds up is bad. Apr 21 02:04
oiaohm KDE and Gnome are working more with each other these days. Apr 21 02:04
mib_cdqu1o You would need one hacker group that works just on say MP3 players Apr 21 02:05
mib_g4ogvz Yeah it’s a sorry mess really. Now that you explain it. Just seems to work for me though… Apr 21 02:05
mib_cdqu1o does all the bindings Apr 21 02:05
oiaohm Not really.  How many MP3 players are the for windows. Apr 21 02:05
mib_cdqu1o bottom-up doesn’t work Apr 21 02:05
oiaohm Low level API’s must work correctly. Apr 21 02:05
mib_cdqu1o CUPS is an example how the printer mess was solved Apr 21 02:05
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oiaohm CUPS is a lower level thing. Apr 21 02:06
oiaohm CUPS also does not really need kernel space. Apr 21 02:06
mib_cdqu1o It was a project, there were 300 ways to print with 20 different drivers depending on the moon phase Apr 21 02:06
oiaohm Network connected printers you really would not run drivers in kernel space. Apr 21 02:06
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mib_g4ogvz Lol Apr 21 02:06
mib_cdqu1o I am speaking of pre 2001 Apr 21 02:06
oiaohm I started using Linux in 1995 Apr 21 02:07
oiaohm cups was dominate back then. Apr 21 02:07
mib_cdqu1o CUPS just solved it Apr 21 02:07
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oiaohm Problem is audio guys use cups as an expample. Apr 21 02:07
oiaohm audio is not printers. Apr 21 02:07
oiaohm Minor delays don’t effect printers. Apr 21 02:08
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mib_cdqu1o Ah! Apr 21 02:08
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mib_cdqu1o I see Apr 21 02:08
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mib_cdqu1o From a consumer perspective: Apr 21 02:08
mib_cdqu1o do I get sound at all Apr 21 02:09
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mib_cdqu1o If I cannot play the ogg file, what is the reason Apr 21 02:09
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oiaohm And why did the sound just click. Apr 21 02:09
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mib_cdqu1o cable? Apr 21 02:09
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oiaohm Just because I changed to a console. Apr 21 02:09
mib_cdqu1o my software player? Apr 21 02:09
mib_cdqu1o my kernel? Apr 21 02:09
mib_cdqu1o my settings? Apr 21 02:09
mib_cdqu1o do I have to install additional drivers? Apr 21 02:10
oiaohm having pulseaudio + alsa gives confusion. Apr 21 02:10
oiaohm Could be alsa it could be pulse Apr 21 02:10
mib_cdqu1o Users believe in running code = sound Apr 21 02:10
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oiaohm could be that pulse was not geting cpu time. Apr 21 02:10
oiaohm So sound is badly laged. Apr 21 02:11
mib_cdqu1o they like a certain music player when it does play the mp3 file Apr 21 02:11
oiaohm Basically kernel is needed.  So sound processing comes of the application sending it processing time. Apr 21 02:11
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mib_cdqu1o and they think a player garbage if it does not play per default Apr 21 02:11
oiaohm Sound server is just trouble. Apr 21 02:11
mib_cdqu1o With the risk of overengineering Apr 21 02:11
oiaohm Exactly the same way X11 is. Apr 21 02:12
mib_cdqu1o of course Apr 21 02:12
mib_g4ogvz Thanks 4 the info, heading 4 bed, goodnight. Apr 21 02:12
oiaohm Future form of X11 will not have this problem. Apr 21 02:12
oiaohm Applications will be able to directly write to screen by passing the X11 server. Apr 21 02:12
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mib_cdqu1o Oh, I did this with my VGA card Apr 21 02:13
oiaohm X11 server basically becomes 3 things remote sending, resource placement and configuration. Apr 21 02:13
mib_cdqu1o assembler Apr 21 02:13
mib_cdqu1o while the Unix freaks had their X-Server Apr 21 02:13
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oiaohm All Unix’s are taking on the New X11 design. Apr 21 02:14
oiaohm Unix was not interested in desktop usage so X-server suxed. Apr 21 02:14
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mib_cdqu1o How it it solved by Mac OS ? Apr 21 02:15
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mib_cdqu1o What you forget is that X servers provide for features today hardly anyone uses. Apr 21 02:17
oiaohm Mac OS droped X11 completely. Apr 21 02:17
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oiaohm X server code resource management design is great. Apr 21 02:17
oiaohm Embeded people have tried to design better for years. Apr 21 02:18
oiaohm Every time they have returned to the X server design. Apr 21 02:18
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oiaohm Sections of X server is good. Apr 21 02:18
oiaohm Ok there is a lot of crap in there too mib_cdqu1o Apr 21 02:18
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oiaohm wayland project is way smaller than current X11.   It contains most of the good design bits of X11. Apr 21 02:19
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Ziggyfish schestowitz, I do like the new home page, but just an idea, you should change the collors to suit the site better Apr 21 03:44
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    The General Consultative Committee (GCC) at the EPO deals with unlawful proposals from António Campinos (he’s happy to violate laws, constitutions, protocols, conventions, just like Benoît Battistelli did) and once again the abuses by managers is covered up; it’s as if the Office is run by unaccountable gangsters who arrogantly curse at everyone whilst insisting they’re the nicest people ever



  15. The Latest Letter to Josef Kratochvìl and the Heads of Delegation of the Administrative Council of the European Patent Organisation

    A week-old letter from the Central Staff Committee (CSC) to the Administrative Council of the European Patent Organisation highlights the nature of a crisis; there's no genuine dialogue and staff of the EPO (i.e. the scientists who do all the actual work) is constantly under attack



  16. [Meme] The Recordings Must Have Accidentally Been Lost While Breaking the Rules

    The EPO‘s “nicest” chief, Monopoly Tony, won’t even mention the recordings…



  17. Links 25/05/2022: ‘V Rising’ on GNU/Linux and Pearl Linux OS 11

    Links for the day



  18. Links 25/05/2022: Librem Tries Another Approach

    Links for the day



  19. IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, May 24, 2022

    IRC logs for Tuesday, May 24, 2022



  20. Links 24/05/2022: nginx-1.22.0 and WordPress 6.0

    Links for the day



  21. [Meme] Divine Protection

    You won’t find Monopoly Tony (António Campinos) wearing a mask at the EPO because the rules of the Office do not apply to him



  22. António Campinos and the Alicante Clique (EPO Management, Appointed Based on Nepotism Despite Lack of Qualifications) Nowadays Exploiting Kids for PR Charades

    The sick old habit of exploiting kids for Public Relations (PR) and marketing purposes is all too common at the EPO (they’re constantly exploiting “the children” to associate criticism of the EPO with demeaning the young and innocent), but the management — which enjoys nepotism and immunity rather than relevant skills — carries on today and it’s being called “inaugural”



  23. [Meme] Snake on a Plane

    The EPO‘s President ‘Monopoly Tony’ (António Campinos), whom you never see wearing a mask (none of the photo ops; he does not even socially distance himself from peers, he wears sneakers instead of masks) during the height of a pandemic, is the "f***ing president"; don’t tell him to wear one…



  24. Microsoft GitHub Exposé — Part XX — Entering Phase II

    We're about to resume the long-running series about the sick clique which ran GitHub until the assault on women became too much of a liability (among other wrongdoings and PR blunders)



  25. Links 24/05/2022: Fedora 37 Test Days and Tor Browser 11.0.13

    Links for the day



  26. Microsoft Vidal, as USPTO Director, Already Plays 'Political Cards' to Disguise and Deflect Away From the Corporate Agenda

    Microsoft Vidal, another corporate pawn in charge of the world’s most dangerous patent system, is using soft-spoken defle



  27. Links 24/05/2022: WAL-G 2.0

    Links for the day



  28. IRC Proceedings: Monday, May 23, 2022

    IRC logs for Monday, May 23, 2022



  29. Unethical Advertising, Published as So-called 'Articles', in CNX Software

    As we noted earlier this year, the CNX team is looking for money in the wrong places



  30. Links 23/05/2022: Broadcom to Buy VMware?

    Links for the day


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