EditorsAbout the SiteComes vs. MicrosoftUsing This Web SiteSite ArchivesCredibility IndexOOXMLOpenDocumentPatentsNovellNews DigestSite NewsRSS

04.30.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 29th, 2009 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 1:25 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

GNOME Gedit

Enter the IRC channel now

To use your own IRC client, join channel #boycottnovell in FreeNode.

Balrog then what is it? Apr 29 15:52
Balrog or what do you think it is * Apr 29 15:52
schestowitz Anyway, that ZDNet FUS bothers me Apr 29 15:53
schestowitz Comes fro  the lair of Ou et al Apr 29 15:53
schestowitz TechRepublic Apr 29 15:53
schestowitz Some Windows/cCompTIA guy  spreads Linux FUD Apr 29 15:53
Balrog :/ Apr 29 15:53
schestowitz Pretending to be writing about “open source security” Apr 29 15:53
schestowitz Very typical Apr 29 15:53
Balrog url? Apr 29 15:53
Balrog                       http://www.zdnetasia.com/techguid… Apr 29 15:54
Balrog sorry Apr 29 15:54
*zer0c00l has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Apr 29 15:56
schestowitz Accumulate damages caused by Windows/oft Apr 29 15:57
schestowitz Serve the bill every month to Microsoft/Windows users Apr 29 15:58
schestowitz They can take the tab Apr 29 15:58
trmanco Time for a banshee fork/port to c++ Apr 29 15:58
schestowitz That’s one option Apr 29 15:58
*zer0c00l (n=zer0c00l@117.199.132.106) has joined #boycottnovell Apr 29 15:58
trmanco schestowitz, does that option exist? -> http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content… Apr 29 15:59
MinceR :D Apr 29 15:59
schestowitz Sys-con (shills) spread a lot of Ballnux/Windows whitepapers ATM: http://opensource.sys-con.com… Apr 29 15:59
trmanco :-p Apr 29 15:59
schestowitz Lots of ballnux Apr 29 15:59
schestowitz trmanco: it should Apr 29 15:59
trmanco hehe Apr 29 15:59
schestowitz Does Cisco even count as much of a s/w company or is Asay being an ignorant non-programmer again? http://news.cnet.com/8301-… Apr 29 16:02
schestowitz Cisco, unlike IBM, makes a lot of its money selling equipment. Apr 29 16:02
schestowitz Titles should say somthing not about “software” in particular Apr 29 16:02
schestowitz Balrog: oh wait Apr 29 16:03
schestowitz Anroid FUD, eh Eruaran? Apr 29 16:03
schestowitz You know why? Apr 29 16:03
schestowitz 1.5 release of SDK Apr 29 16:03
schestowitz They need to pollute the news to scare away developers Apr 29 16:03
schestowitz Talking point: “if you develop for it, there will be no users” Apr 29 16:04
Balrog yes, android FUD Apr 29 16:04
Balrog heh. Apr 29 16:04
schestowitz About the MSNBC FUD:  http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/24… Apr 29 16:05
schestowitz They forgot iPhone too is just one phone Apr 29 16:05
Eruaran Microsoft are failing. Apr 29 16:06
MinceR they should hurry up and die. Apr 29 16:07
Eruaran Their Vista7 RC is all about feeding the media Apr 29 16:08
Balrog yes. Apr 29 16:08
Eruaran Ubuntu is building towards a critical mass I think Apr 29 16:09
Eruaran Its no surprise you get articles appearing on websites within a week or so of Ubuntu Jaunty’s release, announcing the impending availability of Windows 7 RC1… Apr 29 16:10
Eruaran I saw an article about Microsoft trying to do social networking with “Vine” Apr 29 16:13
Eruaran Paid subscription… Apr 29 16:13
Eruaran lol Apr 29 16:13
Balrog ?!? Apr 29 16:14
Eruaran serious Apr 29 16:14
schestowitz Eruaran: hehe Apr 29 16:15
schestowitz Vista7 articles Apr 29 16:15
schestowitz Notice how NOBODY mentioned Vista anymore Apr 29 16:15
schestowitz Not tyhe press, not people Apr 29 16:15
schestowitz That’s intentional Apr 29 16:15
schestowitz It’s what Microsoft wanted Apr 29 16:15
Eruaran yep Apr 29 16:15
schestowitz It become an epic, legendary failure Apr 29 16:15
schestowitz So it had to — by its own admission — chahnge the topic Apr 29 16:15
schestowitz Last week in the news Apr 29 16:15
schestowitz In headlines: “Vista” 2 time, “Windows 7″ 19 times Apr 29 16:16
Eruaran Dictionary entry for “Fail”: see “Windows Vista” Apr 29 16:16
schestowitz It figures Apr 29 16:16
schestowitz Even if there’s news about VIsta, MS will keep quiet about it Apr 29 16:16
schestowitz It encourages negative discussions. Apr 29 16:16
schestowitz I HATE the ‘press’ Apr 29 16:16
schestowitz Like ‘Times’, ‘BBC’, ‘CNN’ Apr 29 16:17
schestowitz Michael Moore giving it to CNN. http://www.youtube.com/w… Apr 29 16:17
schestowitz “Well!! I guess we’ll talk again in 3 years” (from memory) Apr 29 16:17
schestowitz There needs to be a segment like this in CNN every 6 hours Apr 29 16:17
schestowitz I dropped my CNN RSS feed last week also (for “technology”) Apr 29 16:18
schestowitz They cover dolphin and stuff rather than corruption where it really matters, esp. now. Apr 29 16:18
Balrog schestowitz: <http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid…> “Is Apache Or GPL Better For Open-Source Business?” Apr 29 16:18
Balrog “Eric Raymond argues that the GPL is ‘a confession of fear and weakness’ that ‘slows down open-source adoption’ because of the fear and uncertainty the GPL provokes.” Apr 29 16:18
schestowitz ESR :| Apr 29 16:19
schestowitz I saw it some days ago Apr 29 16:19
MinceR wow, he’s really a nutcase now Apr 29 16:19
schestowitz “‘slows down open-source adoption’ because of the fear and uncertainty the GPL provokes.”” Apr 29 16:19
schestowitz Haha. Apr 29 16:19
schestowitz Who from? Apr 29 16:19
schestowitz ESR? Apr 29 16:19
schestowitz Yes, FUD from ESR Apr 29 16:19
Eruaran o_0 Apr 29 16:20
schestowitz Microsoft is bad because I say it’s bad Apr 29 16:20
schestowitz Circular logic Apr 29 16:20
Eruaran ESR losing the plot ? Apr 29 16:20
schestowitz Losing the gun Apr 29 16:20
schestowitz *guns Apr 29 16:20
Eruaran He’s got a few horses loose in the top paddock. Apr 29 16:22
Eruaran or sheep Apr 29 16:22
Omar87 schestowitz: What do you think of Samba? Is it bad too? Apr 29 16:32
*neonfloss (n=neon@rdsl-0145.tor.pathcom.com) has joined #boycottnovell Apr 29 16:37
schestowitz Omar87: nope Apr 29 16:37
schestowitz Different scenario Apr 29 16:37
schestowitz Glyn Moody wrote about it Apr 29 16:37
schestowitz But in my mind, the key is that we don’t need Mono Apr 29 16:38
schestowitz We have other PLs Apr 29 16:38
schestowitz And they run on Windows too Apr 29 16:38
schestowitz Java, C, etc Apr 29 16:38
schestowitz Samba is another can of worms Apr 29 16:38
schestowitz And the EU handled it differently Apr 29 16:38
schestowitz http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/… Apr 29 16:38
schestowitz We must hit Microsoft where it HURTS. Not market share, but MARGINS. ISVs can do so too. Apr 29 16:41
*neonfloss has quit (“Leaving”) Apr 29 16:43
tessier_ How do you calculate margins on software? Apr 29 16:49
*tessier_ is less and less a fan of esr also Apr 29 16:50
schestowitz tessier: development cost/sales revenue or something like that, I guess Apr 29 16:53
tessier_ Right. And by that measure their margins are HUGE. Apr 29 16:54
tessier_ And will be very difficult to hurt. Apr 29 16:54
schestowitz Are Xbox margins huge? Apr 29 17:07
schestowitz How about MSN/Live? Apr 29 17:07
schestowitz And Windows Mobile? Apr 29 17:07
schestowitz And Zune? Apr 29 17:07
_boo_ idk what’s msn/live even Apr 29 17:16
_boo_ and forgot what zune is Apr 29 17:17
schestowitz US technology panel: by megacorps for megacorps?  http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/29/sc… Apr 29 17:18
schestowitz MinceR: see the photo. Maybe you’ll recognise it Apr 29 17:18
MinceR hungarian parliament? Apr 29 17:19
MinceR oh, the url gives it away Apr 29 17:19
Balrog schestowitz: LLVM is very promising Apr 29 17:20
MinceR i just don’t see the connection Apr 29 17:20
Balrog though it is bsd-licensed Apr 29 17:20
*zer0c00l_ (n=zer0c00l@117.199.129.253) has joined #boycottnovell Apr 29 17:22
*Omar87 has quit (“Leaving.”) Apr 29 17:27
*zer0c00l has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Apr 29 17:35
Balrog http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/… Apr 29 17:36
Balrog so much fud from the commenters :( Apr 29 17:36
*oso`perezoso (n=nonamme@cpe-74-64-125-220.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #boycottnovell Apr 29 17:43
oso`perezoso hi Apr 29 17:43
oso`perezoso lol Apr 29 17:43
*zer0c00l__ (n=zer0c00l@117.199.131.129) has joined #boycottnovell Apr 29 17:44
schestowitz Hey Apr 29 17:49
schestowitz What’s up? Apr 29 17:49
oso`perezoso mm.. interesting any links to substantiate such a strong accusation? Apr 29 17:49
schestowitz Which one/s? Apr 29 17:49
*zer0c00l_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Apr 29 17:50
oso`perezoso ‘sever implications’ Apr 29 17:52
oso`perezoso I mean this is a bold claim to make so I sorta expected to have some grounds. Apr 29 17:55
*zer0c00l_ (n=zer0c00l@117.199.132.219) has joined #boycottnovell Apr 29 17:55
schestowitz Watch the new post titled “The Big Australian Press: “Microsoft Has Not Ruled Out Buying a Linux Company”” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/29/on… Apr 29 17:56
schestowitz oso`perezoso: in the title? Apr 29 17:57
oso`perezoso nor the title neither the topic got links Apr 29 17:59
oso`perezoso wouldn’t be buying linux firms plant a open source trojan from within in m$$?? Apr 29 18:00
oso`perezoso I mean GPL is not reversible. Apr 29 18:01
schestowitz Yes Apr 29 18:01
schestowitz But Microsoft is miserable Apr 29 18:01
schestowitz It can hope to sell proprietary alongside or in addition to FOSS Apr 29 18:01
schestowitz It’s not so far fetched Apr 29 18:01
schestowitz But… Apr 29 18:01
schestowitz If it distributed GPLv3-ed s/w, that would get complicated Apr 29 18:02
oso`perezoso I’ll read your link Apr 29 18:04
*zer0c00l_ has quit (“gonna sleep”) Apr 29 18:04
oso`perezoso so this is squarely aimed at $u$e then? Apr 29 18:04
oso`perezoso since $u$e is Novell’s distro. Apr 29 18:05
*mib_cli40k (i=5f2467e8@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ba413d9ea4029332) has joined #boycottnovell Apr 29 18:05
schestowitz Linux’s ARM getting stronger against Wintel: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/… Apr 29 18:06
schestowitz oso`perezoso: what specifically aimed at SUSE? Apr 29 18:06
oso`perezoso these accusations Apr 29 18:08
schestowitz Oh, not again… SJVN joins the FUD party. http://practical-tech.com/develo… Apr 29 18:08
schestowitz oso`perezoso: it started with Novell Apr 29 18:08
oso`perezoso go linux go!! Apr 29 18:08
schestowitz There are more vendors, but Novell has the tightest relationship Apr 29 18:08
oso`perezoso this is really odd. Why on earth linux vendors would willingly side with m$$?? I mean linux got a strong foundation to defend and support any project. Linux Foundation. Not to mention HEAVY WEIGHT big iron backing us up Apr 29 18:10
*zer0c00l__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Apr 29 18:11
schestowitz oso`perezoso: Microsoft paid them Apr 29 18:13
schestowitz $240,000,000 Apr 29 18:13
schestowitz And beyond Apr 29 18:13
schestowitz Quiz: History of Sun Microsystems Quiz < http://www.technologyandbusiness.com.au/pc… > Apr 29 18:13
*mib_cli40k has quit (“http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client”) Apr 29 18:14
*oso`perezoso has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 29 18:16
*oso`perezoso (n=nonamme@cpe-74-64-125-220.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #boycottnovell Apr 29 18:16
oso`perezoso these are companies that long ago longed freeing from the yokes of m$$. Apr 29 18:18
schestowitz RIAA settles for $7,000 after 4 years pursuing NY mum < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… > Apr 29 18:22
schestowitz Some artists want to get off the yokes of MAFIAA Apr 29 18:22
schestowitz YouTube gives a good platform to many Apr 29 18:23
oso`perezoso err.. not only youtube, new ways of producing are freeing artist from MAFIAA Apr 29 18:26
schestowitz Exec jumps from one Microsoft puppet to another: Top EMC exec jumps ship for HP < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04… > Apr 29 18:29
schestowitz oso`perezoso: of course Apr 29 18:29
schestowitz “Installed Jaunty Jackalope with Wubi. Definitely feels like a smoother UI on my Lenovo.” http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2009/04/j… Apr 29 18:34
oso`perezoso LMAO@puppetry Apr 29 18:35
schestowitz Well, weasel word Apr 29 18:35
oso`perezoso did you hear about m$$ hiring the highest ranking CPU designer from Sun Microsystems? Apr 29 18:36
schestowitz Just meaning when a company serves another. Like the US and Canada sometimes Apr 29 18:36
schestowitz oso`perezoso: no big deal that Apr 29 18:36
schestowitz He had to find /some/ place to work Apr 29 18:36
schestowitz Oracle won’t do much h/w Apr 29 18:37
oso`perezoso I don’t know if are familiar but in Slashdot there was this article about m$$ entering in the CPU industry in the near future Apr 29 18:38
schestowitz oso`perezoso: It would not surprise me Apr 29 18:40
schestowitz Found today: http://www.wwj.com/B-ham-Native–Ex-… “a former Microsoft Corp. executive. He says the days of proprietary software are numbered and companies like Microsoft are likely doomed” Apr 29 18:40
schestowitz Their business model is dying Apr 29 18:40
schestowitz They try h/w now Apr 29 18:40
schestowitz They fail badly Apr 29 18:40
schestowitz Zune=disaster Apr 29 18:40
schestowitz XBox=billions in losses Apr 29 18:40
schestowitz SaaS= billions in losses(MSN/Live Apr 29 18:41
schestowitz They still have some bright people (even if they are criminal or unethical) Apr 29 18:41
schestowitz They need to put these people to use where they can make a PROFIT Apr 29 18:41
schestowitz In most divisions (ping tessier ) Microsoft is LOSING money. And software margins erode quickly. Apr 29 18:41
oso`perezoso lol Apr 29 18:43
oso`perezoso the interesting thing is that they try to copy stuff from companies that themselves innovated that specific product and were succesful. Apr 29 18:43
oso`perezoso apple=ipod, sony=ps2,ps3, google etc Apr 29 18:44
oso`perezoso and they do those thing simply by pouring $$$ on their projects but lack the innovative and creativity edge. Apr 29 18:45
schestowitz You forgot key ones Apr 29 18:45
schestowitz Adobe Apr 29 18:45
schestowitz x3 Apr 29 18:45
schestowitz Photoshop = Microsoft called its clone off Apr 29 18:45
schestowitz Flash = MS is nowhere, still bribing for Silver Lie deals Apr 29 18:45
oso`perezoso yeah just about anything. Apr 29 18:46
schestowitz XPS = seen it recently? Enough said… since 2005. Apr 29 18:46
schestowitz PDF is even embraced by MS now Apr 29 18:46
oso`perezoso but’s true that their business model won’t last. Apr 29 18:46
schestowitz They can’t quite monetise XPS anyway. Same with HD that they gave to JPEG Apr 29 18:46
schestowitz oso`perezoso: that’s why they leech via Novell Apr 29 18:47
schestowitz Novell: “yes, we signed a patent deal, blah blah” Apr 29 18:47
schestowitz Microsoft: “now y’all need to pay us” Apr 29 18:47
oso`perezoso look at the router industry, two years ago when I was trying to flash openwrt I found out that brands were using propiertary stuff and so on. I checked back recently to update and guess what. Apr 29 18:48
schestowitz Here’s a Microsoft employee advancing Ballmer et al today: http://tirania.org/blog/archive… Apr 29 18:48
oso`perezoso ALL the mayor brands switched to Openwrt!!!!!! Apr 29 18:48
oso`perezoso I was flaggerblsated!! Apr 29 18:48
oso`perezoso not exactly openwrt but the same with their own custom modifications!!! Apr 29 18:49
schestowitz LOL Apr 29 18:49
schestowitz flaggerblsated Apr 29 18:49
schestowitz flabbergasted? Apr 29 18:49
schestowitz There’s a GPL suit maybe Apr 29 18:50
oso`perezoso lol yeah. Apr 29 18:50
schestowitz Controversy Haunts Linux-based DD-WRT– GPL Violator? Betrayer of Open Source? < http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet… > Apr 29 18:50
oso`perezoso err, well linux gotta keep a eye on them. :D Apr 29 18:51
oso`perezoso I think companies are realizing how open source can help their products better by streamlining the drivers/software development and delivering bettor products. Apr 29 18:52
schestowitz zoobab01: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_… Apr 29 18:53
oso`perezoso this famous guy writing drivers for just about any webcam out there got support from Logitech Creative Labs etc. Apr 29 18:53
oso`perezoso I think companies feel like this when a driver not their own is making success, they get envious so they open the source and keep it in their site :D Apr 29 18:55
schestowitz Open Source Jobs: Olliance Group is Growing < http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/04/29/… > Apr 29 18:55
schestowitz Yes, a French man. Apr 29 18:56
schestowitz it was misstated Apr 29 18:56
oso`perezoso yep Apr 29 18:56
schestowitz There’s lots of overlap in driver development there Apr 29 18:56
schestowitz He didn’t write drivers for 200+ devices ONE BY ONE Apr 29 18:56
oso`perezoso I know, but maintains Apr 29 18:56
oso`perezoso do you code?? Apr 29 18:57
oso`perezoso lol@Olliance!!! Apr 29 18:57
oso`perezoso Open + Alliance = Olliance?? Apr 29 18:57
schestowitz ODF news is currently floored by news about the company that attacked ODF endlessly Apr 29 18:59
schestowitz They cheer over something they’ll try to just screw Apr 29 18:59
schestowitz wait and watch Apr 29 18:59
schestowitz oso`perezoso: Yes, I code Apr 29 18:59
oso`perezoso I don’t Apr 29 18:59
schestowitz Never done drivers Apr 29 18:59
oso`perezoso ODF is the good one or evil? Apr 29 19:00
schestowitz Greg K-H from Novell wrote some tutorials IIRCt Apr 29 19:00
schestowitz There’s more volunteers for drivers work than drivers to be done Apr 29 19:00
schestowitz The good one Apr 29 19:00
schestowitz Although IBM needs to be watched. Oracle too. Apr 29 19:00
schestowitz If they collude with MS, then that’s the end of that Apr 29 19:00
oso`perezoso the end of whon? Apr 29 19:02
oso`perezoso m$ can’t pick a fight with Oracle and IBM Apr 29 19:02
oso`perezoso Oracle that recently   bought Sun?? no way Apr 29 19:02
*DaemonFC (n=DaemonFC@c-67-173-86-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell Apr 29 19:03
schestowitz Manchester, UK – MIT’s FabLab scheme is adding the UK to its growing network. < http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp… > Apr 29 19:07
schestowitz oso`perezoso: no, I was thinking about something else Apr 29 19:08
schestowitz Grouping over standards Apr 29 19:08
schestowitz Marbux wrote about it last year Apr 29 19:08
schestowitz There may be substance to that Apr 29 19:08
schestowitz Some kind of a ceasefire from Sutor et al Apr 29 19:08
schestowitz Welcome to the Ubuntu-Women website < http://ubuntu-women.org/ > Apr 29 19:09
schestowitz This is good in a way. Not separation based on gender, but it’s an indication of growth. Apr 29 19:09
DaemonFC http://www.istartedsomething.com/2… Apr 29 19:09
DaemonFC heh Apr 29 19:09
oso`perezoso LMAO@Ubuntu-women!! Apr 29 19:10
DaemonFC not touching that one Apr 29 19:11
schestowitz Does corporate hog farming breed swine flu? < http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/… > Apr 29 19:11
schestowitz Hehe. Extras. Apr 29 19:11
schestowitz Still not arrived at the scene like promised, eh? Apr 29 19:12
schestowitz Where are people lining up for refunds? Apr 29 19:12
schestowitz Or class action? Apr 29 19:12
schestowitz They have complained since 2007 Apr 29 19:12
schestowitz BTW I haven’t opened that URL yet. istartedsomething is a bit of a Microsoft guerrilla marketing blog IMHO. Apr 29 19:12
DaemonFC “Update 2: It looks like Microsoft Australia even offered someone a downgrade from Ultimate to Home Premium over at the Neowin forums because he thought he wasn’t getting enough value.” Apr 29 19:13
DaemonFC lmao Apr 29 19:13
DaemonFC the Ultimate version’s main thing is it has everything from Business and Home Premium Apr 29 19:14
DaemonFC Home Premium doesn’t have the policy editors, volume shadow service, etc Apr 29 19:14
DaemonFC I know there’s other limits on it Apr 29 19:15
schestowitz CSS naked: http://thenextweb.com/2009/04/28… Apr 29 19:15
DaemonFC it’s so close in Price to Business that you may as well get Ultimate Apr 29 19:16
oso`perezoso neowin is pro-linux or m$$?? Apr 29 19:16
DaemonFC because ate that point you’re talking $20 Apr 29 19:16
DaemonFC *at Apr 29 19:16
schestowitz oso`perezoso: yes Apr 29 19:16
schestowitz We have posts about that Apr 29 19:16
schestowitz Also pro-SUSE, obviouslty Apr 29 19:16
DaemonFC Neowin posts some stuff I download occasionally Apr 29 19:16
oso`perezoso ah ok Apr 29 19:16
DaemonFC they had the uxtheme multi-patcher and some themes Apr 29 19:17
DaemonFC I think removing Aero Glass from Vista Basic was the biggest reason most people didn’t buy it Apr 29 19:17
oso`perezoso ok cool conversation Apr 29 19:18
DaemonFC there was a way to hack around that and re-enable it though Apr 29 19:18
oso`perezoso gonna read some of the links you posted. Apr 29 19:18
oso`perezoso I could’nt keep up with them all :) Apr 29 19:18
DaemonFC They crippled Vista Basic beyond belief Apr 29 19:18
DaemonFC it couldn’t even do some things XP Home could Apr 29 19:18
oso`perezoso what a complete retarded decision not include Aero for everyone Apr 29 19:19
DaemonFC I don’t mean “Go find other software to do that”, I mean they made Windows refuse at the kernel level Apr 29 19:19
DaemonFC things like home networking/shares Apr 29 19:19
DaemonFC it had limited XBOX 360 connectivity, but no more than XP Home with Windows Media Player 11 Apr 29 19:20
schestowitz Check out this one: http://linspire.com/ Apr 29 19:20
oso`perezoso wow, that’s why I was having a hell’ve time trying to share folders between OSX and Vista?? Apr 29 19:20
DaemonFC if you had Vista Basic? probably Apr 29 19:20
oso`perezoso is it confirmed that Vista Basic is b0orkd for sharing? Apr 29 19:21
schestowitz They seem to have totally elimated old site content Apr 29 19:21
DaemonFC Home Premium at least gives you enough networking ability to set up a small LAN Apr 29 19:21
DaemonFC and use your XBOX 360 :P Apr 29 19:21
schestowitz Maybe not… http://www.google.com/search?q=s… Apr 29 19:21
DaemonFC yeah Apr 29 19:21
DaemonFC Microsoft even says it Apr 29 19:21
DaemonFC in their comparison Apr 29 19:21
oso`perezoso ok, it wasn’t for me really, but a friend that has hell’uv issues with it I was trying to, help Apr 29 19:22
oso`perezoso heck, I got  multiple flavors of vi$ta and runnig  m$7 :D Apr 29 19:22
DaemonFC yeah, you will definitely notice crippling problems with Basic Apr 29 19:22
DaemonFC you have to get Business or Ultimate to escape that really Apr 29 19:23
DaemonFC Which i kind of the point Apr 29 19:23
DaemonFC *is Apr 29 19:23
DaemonFC Home Basic can also access 8 gigs of RAM, max, even the 64-bit version Apr 29 19:24
oso`perezoso crazy. Apr 29 19:24
_boo_ lol Apr 29 19:24
DaemonFC one of the limitations they imposed to keep anyone from using it as a cheap server Apr 29 19:24
_boo_ they’re limiting resources XD Apr 29 19:24
oso`perezoso err.. I only have 2GB lol Apr 29 19:24
oso`perezoso well, you can’t really blame them. Apr 29 19:24
DaemonFC 32-bit versions can access 2.8-3.2 gigs of RAM Apr 29 19:25
oso`perezoso that’s what they do, marketing. Apr 29 19:25
DaemonFC due to limitations in the PAE kernel Apr 29 19:25
_boo_ for what not to blame? Apr 29 19:25
_boo_ DaemonFC, 3.5 at max may be? Apr 29 19:25
DaemonFC meh, I got 3.2 gigs max Apr 29 19:25
oso`perezoso so they offer the cheapest crap one then the next one up more expensive with all the bells and whistles. Apr 29 19:25
DaemonFC I suppose if you have integrated video then 3.5 sounds possible Apr 29 19:25
DaemonFC but then the shared memory the video card takes will be about 256 megs anyway Apr 29 19:26
DaemonFC so have fun with that Apr 29 19:26
oso`perezoso So think a lusr walking into Best Buy and talking to the seller. Apr 29 19:26
DaemonFC Vista Basic was there to provide a $99 upgrade over XP Home Apr 29 19:26
oso`perezoso is like selling cars. ‘Well this one is better includes AC, radio Cushionde seats, etc’ Apr 29 19:26
DaemonFC which was intended to cover up the price increase on the one you want to use Apr 29 19:26
DaemonFC that way they had the $99 upgrade price point so you don’t feel cheated that the $160 upgrade is the cheapest one there Apr 29 19:27
DaemonFC the customer feels like they chose to spend another $61 Apr 29 19:27
DaemonFC B-) Apr 29 19:27
oso`perezoso you can’t blame m$$ really for anything. The alternatives are out there, ppl choose to go by marketing, then let them spend $$ for a cripple OS Apr 29 19:27
_boo_ why? Apr 29 19:28
DaemonFC not like they HAD to spend another $651 to get it to do anything useful Apr 29 19:28
DaemonFC :P Apr 29 19:28
DaemonFC errr Apr 29 19:28
DaemonFC $61 Apr 29 19:28
DaemonFC it’s a way to hike the price without making it seem unfair Apr 29 19:28
oso`perezoso ppl support m$$ by buying their crap. Apr 29 19:28
schestowitz Heh. 8 People On 1 Motorcycle Going Faster Than A Car In China < http://www.chinasmack.com/pictures/8-… > Apr 29 19:28
DaemonFC old retail trick Apr 29 19:28
_boo_ oso`perezoso, what about the fact that i have to buy shitty vista if i want to buy just good notebook? Apr 29 19:29
DaemonFC if you go in Walmart they may have a piece of shit $30 microwave to get your attention, then you find out it’s a piece of shit, and go on down the aisle Apr 29 19:29
oso`perezoso yes is all about retail and marketing business/decisions NOTHING to do with the lusr’s lol Apr 29 19:29
DaemonFC end up leaving the store with a $70 model Apr 29 19:29
DaemonFC not feeling robbed Apr 29 19:29
oso`perezoso _boo_: slap some other OS on it Apr 29 19:29
DaemonFC Microsoft is essentially doing that with Vista Apr 29 19:29
_boo_ but i have to buy vista Apr 29 19:30
_boo_ it insults me Apr 29 19:30
Balrog oso`perezoso: but MS is still getting money Apr 29 19:30
MinceR oso`perezoso: they’ve still paid the m$ tax Apr 29 19:30
DaemonFC Vista Basic is the piece of shit $30 no-name microwave designed to soften you up for the more expensive models Apr 29 19:30
oso`perezoso LMAO@WalMart microwave example Apr 29 19:30
Balrog _boo_: are there computer companies other than apple that don’t ship windows on a computer? Apr 29 19:30
MinceR there are Apr 29 19:30
Balrog and not just netbooks Apr 29 19:30
MinceR dell? Apr 29 19:30
DaemonFC System76 Apr 29 19:30
DaemonFC and Dell Apr 29 19:30
MinceR (even though they’re assholes) Apr 29 19:30
_boo_ Balrog, yup Apr 29 19:31
DaemonFC Dell has Ubuntu, Suse, and Red Hat Apr 29 19:31
oso`perezoso _boo_: use torrents, there are more fun vi$ta options Apr 29 19:31
DaemonFC but their consumer models have Ubuntu Apr 29 19:31
Balrog Dell’s quality has been quite good lately Apr 29 19:31
Balrog oso`perezoso: the idea is to STOP USING vista Apr 29 19:31
_boo_ there are quite a small amount of notebooks with linux and freedos Apr 29 19:31
Balrog not dl it Apr 29 19:31
MinceR the quality of my almost 1 year old dell laptop is crap. Apr 29 19:31
DaemonFC the ones with Linux are pre-installed Apr 29 19:31
MinceR and their support is crap, too Apr 29 19:31
oso`perezoso Balrog: you don’t have to tell me that :) Apr 29 19:31
DaemonFC the ones with FreeDOS have just the CD with FreeDOS to not break their agreement with MS Apr 29 19:31
DaemonFC that all systems shipped will have an “operating system” Apr 29 19:32
Balrog ah. MS forces that? Apr 29 19:32
DaemonFC yes Apr 29 19:32
Balrog heh Apr 29 19:32
DaemonFC used to be that MS jacked the price on Windows if you shipped any other OS Apr 29 19:32
Balrog but they can’t do that anymore ….? Apr 29 19:32
DaemonFC cause those systems would “simply be formatted and will end up running pirate Windows” Apr 29 19:32
DaemonFC :) Apr 29 19:32
MinceR here in hungary there’s also albacomp and blackpanther Apr 29 19:32
DaemonFC no, the US courts ordered that that was illegal Apr 29 19:32
MinceR and probably others worldwide, but i’m not up-to-date Apr 29 19:32
Balrog obviously. Apr 29 19:33
DaemonFC so Microsoft’s agreement with OEMs is now “All systems sold must include an operating system” Apr 29 19:33
DaemonFC and MS can’t penalize for that OS not being Windows Apr 29 19:33
oso`perezoso wow crazy Apr 29 19:33
Balrog it’s easy enough to install linux or freedos Apr 29 19:33
schestowitz MinceR: I put a photo of Budapest in BN’s FP. Apr 29 19:33
DaemonFC right, but the idea is that every OEM copy of Windows lands them about $50 Apr 29 19:34
DaemonFC so by buying the Windows system, you pay MS $50 Apr 29 19:34
Balrog and those $50 add up Apr 29 19:34
DaemonFC even if it ends up running something else Apr 29 19:34
Balrog yes. something like ‘per-CPU’ licensing Apr 29 19:34
DaemonFC so people were banding up and demanding the $50 be refunded Apr 29 19:34
Balrog though that’s illegal now Apr 29 19:34
DaemonFC so that’s why Dell puts Ubuntu on a few models Apr 29 19:34
oso`perezoso ok is not buying vi$ta but it’s more about showing the ppl how they paid for an utter piece of crap and that there are better alternatives. Apr 29 19:35
DaemonFC HP and Gateway still issue refunds Apr 29 19:35
DaemonFC you have to mail back your Windows disc and COA label Apr 29 19:35
MinceR schestowitz: i’ve seen it, but i don’t know why it’s there :> Apr 29 19:35
oso`perezoso didn’t m$$ server have per ip license? Apr 29 19:35
DaemonFC I mailed my copy of OEM Vista back to Gateway Apr 29 19:35
Balrog oso`perezoso: I don’t mean per IP Apr 29 19:36
DaemonFC got $52 check in the mail Apr 29 19:36
oso`perezoso is illegal to get $50 refund???!! Apr 29 19:36
DaemonFC no Apr 29 19:36
Balrog I meant that for every computer that a company made, they had to pay for a Windows license, whether or not windows was reinstalled Apr 29 19:36
Balrog installed * Apr 29 19:36
DaemonFC Microsoft’s EULA states you have that right Apr 29 19:36
Balrog or included Apr 29 19:36
DaemonFC and the OEM is a party to that agreement Apr 29 19:36
_boo_ oso`perezoso, when you buy server you also buy the license to use it for some number of clients Apr 29 19:36
DaemonFC and shall refund the price Apr 29 19:36
DaemonFC been held up by the US courts that Microsoft and the OEM must refund Windows if you disagree with the EULA and destroy/send back all copies Apr 29 19:37
oso`perezoso _boo_: I can’t even begin to think how a m$$ server sets stuff up Apr 29 19:37
_boo_ there are even calculators for m$ servers Apr 29 19:37
DaemonFC there’s different amounts I’ve seen people get Apr 29 19:37
DaemonFC $52 is the refund for Home Premium Apr 29 19:37
_boo_ it ends up with a good amount of money Apr 29 19:38
DaemonFC I think it goes all the way up to about $100 for Ultimate Apr 29 19:38
oso`perezoso ah ok, that’d be a bit excessive ILLEGAL to ask refund. Apr 29 19:38
DaemonFC no, it’s not illegal Apr 29 19:38
DaemonFC you are exercising your rights under the Windows EULA to demand a refund for the copy of Windows you will not be using Apr 29 19:38
oso`perezoso I understand, I am just saying would some  sort of dictatorial practice. Apr 29 19:39
DaemonFC and they give you back the amount that the OEM has paid Microsoft Apr 29 19:39
DaemonFC OEM Windows price – whatever volume license discount the OEM got Apr 29 19:39
oso`perezoso what if a retailer ask for refunds for all the computers sold and keeps the money and sells the computers  with free  OS such as linux?? :) Apr 29 19:40
DaemonFC are they the end user of the system? Apr 29 19:40
DaemonFC no Apr 29 19:40
DaemonFC the retailer can’t do that Apr 29 19:40
oso`perezoso ah  true. Apr 29 19:40
DaemonFC End User means the person or organization that buys the system at retail and uses it themselves Apr 29 19:40
oso`perezoso I remember seeing RedHat box CD in CompUSA back in 2003 or 2004. Apr 29 19:41
oso`perezoso That’s interesting they been there very early on. Apr 29 19:41
DaemonFC Staples used to have Red Hat and Mandrake Apr 29 19:41
DaemonFC they gave up cause it wasn’t selling well Apr 29 19:41
DaemonFC 8-9 years ago, Linux was not a system most people would want to use Apr 29 19:42
DaemonFC bad performance, crippling driver issues, etc Apr 29 19:42
oso`perezoso but those are server distros, there should be an OS for Desktops users Apr 29 19:42
DaemonFC and you had to pay for it or download several CDs on likely a dial up connection Apr 29 19:42
oso`perezoso lol Apr 29 19:42
DaemonFC so it wasn’t, really freely available Apr 29 19:42
oso`perezoso i only noticed red hat back then because I started using linux. I didn’t buy anything, Gentoo here. Apr 29 19:43
schestowitz MinceR: cause of Stock Exchange Apr 29 19:43
DaemonFC Red Hat actually gave up trying to make any money on desktop Linux over 10 years ago Apr 29 19:43
schestowitz It’s always an Hungarian site that I use for free pics Apr 29 19:43
oso`perezoso a lot of ppl aren’t aware about Linux Apr 29 19:43
DaemonFC that announcement a few weeks ago by their CEO is not new or exciting Apr 29 19:44
oso`perezoso LMAO!!! Apr 29 19:44
schestowitz They can afford to wait Apr 29 19:44
schestowitz Others develop Linux for them Apr 29 19:44
schestowitz Mandriva, Ubuntu… Apr 29 19:44
MinceR schestowitz: oh. Apr 29 19:44
schestowitz When Red Hat wants to enter the destkop it just takes the latest peices Apr 29 19:45
DaemonFC Ubuntu doesn’t develop anything Apr 29 19:45
DaemonFC Mandriva does a little Apr 29 19:45
schestowitz It does it share of stuff too, e.g. pulseaudio Apr 29 19:45
oso`perezoso Linux Desktop 10 years ago??? That sounds quite impossible, with what kernel 2.2 and one video/audio code availble and three drivers working?? Apr 29 19:45
schestowitz Mandriva does KDE stuff, still. Apr 29 19:45
schestowitz RPMs Apr 29 19:45
DaemonFC Red Hat and Novell basically represent a half of the kernel work Apr 29 19:45
DaemonFC and probably at least 1/4th of X Apr 29 19:45
schestowitz I used Red Hat in 2000 Apr 29 19:45
schestowitz Desktop Apr 29 19:46
schestowitz KDE 2 IIRC Apr 29 19:46
schestowitz It was VERY usable Apr 29 19:46
schestowitz Also great for development Apr 29 19:46
DaemonFC Ubuntu has released less than 200 patches since 2005 Apr 29 19:46
schestowitz And it had ncie transparent windows decorations that looked nifty at the time Apr 29 19:46
MinceR 205628 < DaemonFC> Ubuntu doesn’t develop anything Apr 29 19:46
DaemonFC Fedora has released over 40,000 Apr 29 19:46
MinceR m$ FUD Apr 29 19:46
schestowitz Windows was just ugly (win2k or win98 on my laptop) Apr 29 19:46
oso`perezoso wow you are leaving out IBM and Sun Apr 29 19:46
DaemonFC it’s not FUD, Ubuntu is a passive consumer Apr 29 19:46
DaemonFC they are not an authority on anything but Ubuntu Apr 29 19:47
schestowitz DaemonFC: Fedora claims 100k downloads/week nw Apr 29 19:47
schestowitz F10 Apr 29 19:47
MinceR m$ FUD saying it isn’t FUD Apr 29 19:47
MinceR how surprising! Apr 29 19:47
Balrog are you talking about the kernel or the other software? Apr 29 19:47
schestowitz Many in places like NASA use it Apr 29 19:47
Balrog Ubuntu contributes to other software, AFAIK Apr 29 19:47
DaemonFC if Red Hat and Novell went under, it would be catastrophic, not because of who they are Apr 29 19:47
DaemonFC because of how much work they do that nobody else is stepping up to do Apr 29 19:47
schestowitz DaemonFC: a lot of KDE is built by volunteers Apr 29 19:48
schestowitz like 70% IIRC Apr 29 19:48
DaemonFC some of the people doing it would go to other places and keep doing it Apr 29 19:48
oso`perezoso no, they maintain certain parts and they receive thousands of patches Apr 29 19:48
DaemonFC but you’re still losing a lot of people Apr 29 19:48
oso`perezoso that’s how it works Apr 29 19:48
MinceR DaemonFC: most of those people were doing the same thing elsewhere Apr 29 19:48
DaemonFC The Linux Foundation said that 7 of 10 people working on Linux are paid to do it Apr 29 19:49
schestowitz Nothing happend when reiser dived Apr 29 19:49
schestowitz There are too many DEs and distros Apr 29 19:49
DaemonFC so that’s like the organization Linus Torvalds works at? Apr 29 19:49
DaemonFC not Microsoft? Apr 29 19:49
schestowitz No single point of failure Apr 29 19:49
MinceR RMS wrote most of GNU without being paid for it at all Apr 29 19:49
schestowitz 18 years and still going Apr 29 19:49
oso`perezoso for instance Solaris has been using Gnome as default DE for 10 years Apr 29 19:49
schestowitz Unlike Solaris on the face of it Apr 29 19:49
DaemonFC well, it’s obvious that the kernel was something that the GNU people were out of their league on Apr 29 19:50
DaemonFC they undertook an enormous task without the talent or manpower to do it Apr 29 19:50
MinceR it’s not the same task Apr 29 19:50
oso`perezoso MinceR: what are the GNU parts? the compiler, debugger etc?? Apr 29 19:50
DaemonFC and it’s as old as I am and still is not good enough to want to use Apr 29 19:50
MinceR remember the GNU kernel is a microkernel Apr 29 19:50
MinceR oso`perezoso: command line tools, shell, compiler, linker, assembler, debugger, text editor, way too much stuff to list Apr 29 19:50
_boo_ oso`perezoso, compilers are not developed by 1 man Apr 29 19:50
Balrog DaemonFC: when Linux was made, most work on Hurd stopped Apr 29 19:50
DaemonFC their kernel layout is a monumental act of stupidity, it has dubious or no benefit over Linux Apr 29 19:51
DaemonFC even if it worked as stated (it doesn’t) Apr 29 19:51
MinceR oso`perezoso: i don’t know what exactly was written by RMS, but i’ve seen credits to him all over the manpages Apr 29 19:51
oso`perezoso RMS is Stallman or Raymond? Apr 29 19:51
_boo_ stallman Apr 29 19:51
Balrog MinceR: RMS wrote a lot of the early code Apr 29 19:51
MinceR DaemonFC: tell that to Tanenbaum Apr 29 19:51
Balrog others took over later Apr 29 19:51
MinceR Balrog: i suspected so Apr 29 19:51
MinceR i know he wrote all of emacs, at least back then Apr 29 19:52
DaemonFC MINIX works, I don’t see anyone using it Apr 29 19:52
DaemonFC but it does have interesting ideas Apr 29 19:52
MinceR DaemonFC: microkernels are still very new Apr 29 19:52
oso`perezoso lol@minix works Apr 29 19:52
_boo_ minix aint got enough people working on it Apr 29 19:52
DaemonFC no they aren’t Apr 29 19:52
DaemonFC 30 years is new? Apr 29 19:53
_boo_ oso`perezoso, linus was writing linux kernel working in minix Apr 29 19:53
MinceR DaemonFC: ok, tell me one mature mainstream OS using a microkernel on desktop or servers Apr 29 19:53
*oso`perezoso imagines minix being a single CPU driver Apr 29 19:53
Balrog OS X runs a part-microkernel … works well. Apr 29 19:53
MinceR no, osx runs a nightmare Apr 29 19:53
DaemonFC MinceR: They inherently don’t work right Apr 29 19:53
Balrog MinceR: maybe for you Apr 29 19:53
MinceR it’s not a microkernel once you bolt half of freebsd over it in kernelspace Apr 29 19:53
MinceR that’s not how a microkernel works. Apr 29 19:53
DaemonFC so you end up with monolithic+ some features of microkernel Apr 29 19:53
Balrog not for the other 98% of people I meant Apr 29 19:53
Balrog MinceR: I said part Apr 29 19:53
DaemonFC Which is Windows, Darwin/OS X. Linux…. Apr 29 19:53
MinceR the other 98% of people have no idea what a microkernel is Apr 29 19:53
MinceR they eat crApple marketing bullshit Apr 29 19:53
oso`perezoso m$$7 is based on microkernel Apr 29 19:54
MinceR DaemonFC: winnt isn’t a microkernel either Apr 29 19:54
MinceR neither is Linux Apr 29 19:54
oso`perezoso j/k Apr 29 19:54
MinceR modular != microkernel Apr 29 19:54
DaemonFC Windows is a monolithic with some of the features of microkernels Apr 29 19:54
oso`perezoso MinceR: ok, which ones are microkernel? Apr 29 19:54
MinceR DaemonFC: microkernels per definition do not include most of a gui :> Apr 29 19:54
DaemonFC Windows has a lot of common features of Linux Apr 29 19:54
DaemonFC loadable modules, user space driver framework Apr 29 19:54
DaemonFC slow pool thread Apr 29 19:54
MinceR oso`perezoso: there’s Minix and QNX Apr 29 19:55
oso`perezoso MinceR: are they free? Apr 29 19:55
DaemonFC well, it’s a component of Windows, because end users would not buy a kernel Apr 29 19:55
DaemonFC they want something you can use Apr 29 19:55
MinceR QNX might be mainstream in embedded, but i’m not sure Apr 29 19:55
MinceR Minix is certainly not mainstream Apr 29 19:55
MinceR oso`perezoso: Minix is free, QNX isn’t Apr 29 19:55
oso`perezoso LMAO@users nod buying a kernel Apr 29 19:55
MinceR then there’s L4Linux, which is practically a research project Apr 29 19:55
Balrog and Mach 3.0 Apr 29 19:55
MinceR Mach is too, it’s used in HURD, for example Apr 29 19:56
DaemonFC this is from the same “Linux is useless without GNU!!!!!” spammers Apr 29 19:56
MinceR and probably in lots of places Apr 29 19:56
DaemonFC :P Apr 29 19:56
MinceR DaemonFC: Linux works without GNU, see android Apr 29 19:56
MinceR but it’s nothing like what we know Apr 29 19:56
MinceR android sucks Apr 29 19:56
Balrog MinceR: everything you don’t like sucks Apr 29 19:56
_boo_ android is google, ’nuff said Apr 29 19:56
MinceR Balrog: that’s why i don’t like them, surprise surprise Apr 29 19:56
oso`perezoso wow google stripped GPL outta all the code used in android? Apr 29 19:57
Balrog you’re looking from a subjective point of view … the fact that *you* don’t like them doesn’t mean they’re bad Apr 29 19:57
schestowitz minix has just been granted millions in funding Apr 29 19:57
MinceR not all, it’s still Linux-based Apr 29 19:57
schestowitz 3 million euro iirc Apr 29 19:57
schestowitz Intel Releases New Driver, Kills EXA/DRI1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page… Apr 29 19:58
MinceR iirc the policy is that they only allow GPL code in the kernel Apr 29 19:58
MinceR not in their crap java userspace Apr 29 19:58
Balrog MinceR: GPL compatible code too? Apr 29 19:58
MinceR Balrog: my point of view is based on technological merit Apr 29 19:58
Balrog doesn’t seem that way. Apr 29 19:58
schestowitz leave google allllllllllone :–((( Apr 29 19:58
schestowitz leave firefox allllllllllone :–((( Apr 29 19:58
oso`perezoso schestowitz: millions from where? do you have a link? you got links for everything Apr 29 19:58
Share this post: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Reddit
  • co.mments
  • DZone
  • email
  • Google Bookmarks
  • LinkedIn
  • NewsVine
  • Print
  • Technorati
  • TwitThis
  • Facebook

If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

Pages that cross-reference this one

What Else is New


  1. Links 24/5/2019: PostgreSQL 12 Beta 1 and Rust 1.35 Released

    Links for the day



  2. EPO Strikes Further Diminish Chances of UPC Ever Materialising (in Any Shape or Form)

    The EPO crumbles under the weight of its own corruption while an increasingly-insane Team UPC pretends all remains normal and a patent trolls-friendly system is ready to take off



  3. EPO Allegedly Becoming Insolvent (Pretext for Cuts), So Staff Gets Punished While Management Takes the Jackpot

    The corporate 'logic' at the EPO follows the "shareholders' value" propaganda line as if the EPO is a private company looking to maximise revenue rather than serve the public



  4. EPO President Still Not Obeying Courts' Rulings

    Federation of International Civil Service Associations (FICSA) sent a message to António Campinos yesterday (the same day SUEPO publicly made a call for strike)



  5. António Campinos Has Run Out of Time and EPO Staff is Going on Strike (Skipping Mere Protests)

    European Patent Office strikes are to resume; as SUEPO recently put it, people have come to accept that EPO leadership has not really changed and none of the underlying issues is being tackled



  6. Links 23/5/2019: Elisa 0.4.0, OpenSUSE Leap 15.1 Released

    Links for the day



  7. Links 22/5/2019: Mesa 19.0.5, Huawei and GNU/Linux, Curl 7.65.0, End of Antergos, Tails 3.14, ownCloud Server 10.2, Firefox 67.0

    Links for the day



  8. Quality of Patents is Going Down the Drain and Courts Have Certainly Noticed

    Uncertainty or lack of confidence in the patent system has reached appalling levels because heads of patent offices are just striving to grant as many patents as possible, irrespective of the underlying law



  9. EUIPO and EPO Abuses Growingly Inseparable

    'Musical chairs' at CEIPI and the EPO/EUIPO (Battistelli, Archambeau, Campinos) as well as joint reports never fail to reveal the extent to which EPO abuses are spreading



  10. Links 21/5/2019: China's GAFAM Exit, DragonFlyBSD 5.4.3

    Links for the day



  11. Links 20/5/2019: Linux 5.2 RC1, LibreOffice 6.3 Alpha, DXVK 1.2.1, Bison 3.4 Released

    Links for the day



  12. South Korea's Government Will Show If Microsoft Loves Linux or Just Attacks It Very Viciously Like It Did in Munich

    Microsoft's hatred of all things GNU/Linux is always put to the test when someone 'dares' use it outside Microsoft's control and cash cows (e.g. Azure and Vista 10/WSL); will Microsoft combat its longstanding urge to corrupt or oust officials with the courage to say "no" to Microsoft?



  13. Links 19/5/2019: KDE Applications 19.04.1 in FlatHub and GNU/Linux Adoption

    Links for the day



  14. The War on Patent Quality

    A look at the EPO's reluctance to admit errors and resistance to the EPC, which is its very founding document



  15. Watchtroll, Composed by Patent Trolls, Calls the American Patent System “Corrupt”

    Another very fine piece from Watchtroll comes from very fine patent trolls who cheer for Donald Trump as if he's the one who tackles corruption rather than spreading it



  16. Unified Patent Court Won't Happen Just Because the Litigation Microcosm Wants It

    Unified Patent Court (UPC) hopefuls are quote-mining and cherry-picking to manufacture the false impression that the UPC is just around the corner when in reality the UPC is pretty much dead (but not buried yet)



  17. Links 17/5/2019: South Korea's GNU/Linux Pivot, Linux 5.1.3

    Links for the day



  18. Q2 Midterm Weather Forecast for EPOnia, Part 4: Happy Birthday to the Kötter Group?

    This year the Kötter Group commemorates the 85th anniversary of its existence. But is it really a cause for celebration or would a less self-congratulatory approach be more fitting? And does it create the risk that a routine tendering exercise at the EPO will turn into Operation Charlie Foxtrot?



  19. Links 16/5/2019: Cockpit 194, VMware Acquires Bitnami, Another Wine Announcement and Krita 4.2.0 Beta

    Links for the day



  20. The EPO's Key Function -- Like the UPC's Vision -- Has Virtually Collapsed

    The EPO no longer issues good patents and staff is extremely unhappy; but the Office tries to create an alternate (false) reality and issues intentionally misleading statements



  21. Stanford's NPE Litigation Database Makes a Nice Addition in the Fight Against Software Patent Trolls

    As the United States of America becomes less trolls- and software patents-friendly (often conflated with plaintiff (un)friendliness) it's important to have accurate data which documents the numbers and motivates better policy; The NPE (troll) Litigation Database is a move towards that and it's free to access/use



  22. Q2 Midterm Weather Forecast for EPOnia, Part 3: “Ein kritikwürdiges Unternehmen”

    A brief account of some further controversies in which the Kötter Group has been involved and its strained relations with German trade unions such as Verdi



  23. EPO Had a Leakage Problem and Privacy of Stakeholders Was Compromised, Affecting at Least 100 Cases

    The confidentiality principle was compromised at the EPO and stakeholders weren't told about it (there was a coverup)



  24. Links 15/5/2019: More Linux Patches and More Known Intel Bugs

    Links for the day



  25. False Hope for Patent Maximalists and Litigation Zealots

    Patent litigation predators in the United States, along with Team UPC in Europe, are trying to manufacture optimistic predictions; a quick and rather shallow critical analysis reveals their lies and distortions



  26. The Race to the Bottom of Patent Quality at the EPO

    The EPO has become more like a rubber-stamper than a patent office — a fact that worries senior staff who witnessed this gradual and troublesome transition (from quality to raw quantity)



  27. Q2 Midterm Weather Forecast for EPOnia, Part 2: Meet the Kötters

    An introduction to the Kötter Group, the private security conglomerate which is lined up for the award of a juicy EUR 30 million contract for the provision of security services at the EPO



  28. Links 14/5/2019: Red Hat Satellite 6.5, NVIDIA 430.14 Linux Driver and New Security Bug (MDS)

    Links for the day



  29. Links 14/5/2019: GNU/Linux in Kerala, DXVK 1.2, KDE Frameworks 5.58.0 Released

    Links for the day



  30. Q2 Midterm Weather Forecast for EPOnia, Part 1: Urgent Shitstorm Alert

    Experts at the European Patent Office's (EPO) weather observation station have just issued an urgent alert warning about a major shitstorm looming on the horizon


RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

Recent Posts