06.12.09

In Fedora, Tomboy and Banshee Depend on Winforms

Posted in ECMA, GNU/Linux, Microsoft, Mono, Novell, OpenSUSE at 8:16 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Siouxsie and the Banshees

Summary: Banshee brings Winforms with it after all (not part of ECMA reference)

ONE of our contributors mailed us regarding this post where we were vilified for suggesting that Banshee needed Winforms. Well, our contributor says that “it’s true that Ubuntu’s implementation of Banshee does not depend on Winforms, but on Fedora 11 it does. So does Tomboy. At least, when I try and install tomboy or banshee, they both want to pull in winforms.

“Whether it is actually needed by either application I’m not sure, but even though Red Hat is shipping Fedora 11 without Tomboy installing it will pull in Windows forms by default when users install it. Whether this is actually a problem or not, I can’t say.”

Those examples we were given (as above) can be proven as follows.

For Bashee:


Loaded plugins: downloadonly, refresh-packagekit
Setting up Install Process
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package banshee.i586 0:1.4.3-3.fc11 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: mono(gdk-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(notify-sharp) = 0.4.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(NDesk.DBus.GLib) = 1.0.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Cairo) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins.Setup) = 0.4.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Boo.Lang.Compiler) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(mscorlib) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins.Gui) = 0.4.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(pango-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(MusicBrainz) = 1.4.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Data.SqliteClient) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(gconf-sharp) = 2.24.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Xml) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(glib-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Web) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins) = 0.4.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Posix) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(gtk-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(ICSharpCode.SharpZipLib) = 2.84.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Data) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(glade-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Zeroconf) = 2.0.0.76 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(NDesk.DBus) = 1.0.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(gnome-sharp) = 2.24.0.0 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: banshee-musicbrainz = 1.4.3-3.fc11 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono(taglib-sharp) = 2.0.3.2 for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: podsleuth for package: banshee
--> Processing Dependency: mono-addins for package: banshee
--> Running transaction check
---> Package banshee-musicbrainz.i586 0:1.4.3-3.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package boo.i586 0:0.8.1.2865-6.fc11 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: mono(NAnt.DotNetTasks) = 0.85.2478.0 for package: boo
--> Processing Dependency: mono(NAnt.Core) = 0.85.2478.0 for package: boo
---> Package gnome-sharp.i586 0:2.24.0-3.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package gtk-sharp2.i586 0:2.12.7-4.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-addins.i586 0:0.4-6.20091702svn127062.1.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-core.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: mono(monodoc) = 1.0.0.0 for package: mono-core
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Configuration.Install) = 1.0.5000.0 for package: mono-core
---> Package mono-data.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-data-sqlite.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-web.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Design) = 2.0.0.0 for package: mono-web
---> Package mono-zeroconf.i586 0:0.7.6-8.fc11 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: mono(avahi-sharp) = 1.0.0.0 for package: mono-zeroconf
---> Package ndesk-dbus.i586 0:0.6.1a-4.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package ndesk-dbus-glib.i586 0:0.4.1-4.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package notify-sharp.i586 0:0.4.0-0.6.20080912svn.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package podsleuth.i586 0:0.6.3-2.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package taglib-sharp.i586 0:2.0.3.2-2.fc11 set to be updated
--> Running transaction check
---> Package avahi-sharp.i586 0:0.6.25-1.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-extras.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-winforms.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package monodoc.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package nant.i586 1:0.85-27.fc11 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: mono(nunit.util) = 2.2.10.0 for package: nant
--> Processing Dependency: mono(ICSharpCode.SharpCvsLib) = 0.35.3721.507 for package: nant
--> Processing Dependency: mono(nunit.core) = 2.2.10.0 for package: nant
--> Processing Dependency: mono(log4net) = 1.2.10.0 for package: nant
--> Processing Dependency: mono(NDoc.Core) = 1.3.3344.0 for package: nant
--> Running transaction check
---> Package log4net.i586 0:1.2.10-5.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-ndoc.i586 0:1.3.1-4.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-nunit22.i586 1:2.2.10-9.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-sharpcvslib.i586 0:0.35-9.fc11 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

================================================================================
 Package               Arch   Version                            Repository
                                                                           Size
================================================================================
Installing:
 banshee               i586   1.4.3-3.fc11                       fedora   3.0 M
Installing for dependencies:
 avahi-sharp           i586   0.6.25-1.fc11                      fedora    35 k
 banshee-musicbrainz   i586   1.4.3-3.fc11                       fedora    40 k
 boo                   i586   0.8.1.2865-6.fc11                  fedora   810 k
 gnome-sharp           i586   2.24.0-3.fc11                      fedora   327 k
 gtk-sharp2            i586   2.12.7-4.fc11                      fedora   819 k
 log4net               i586   1.2.10-5.fc11                      fedora    96 k
 mono-addins           i586   0.4-6.20091702svn127062.1.fc11     fedora   484 k
 mono-core             i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora    12 M
 mono-data             i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   1.5 M
 mono-data-sqlite      i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   158 k
 mono-extras           i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   1.5 M
 mono-ndoc             i586   1.3.1-4.fc11                       fedora   304 k
 mono-nunit22          i586   1:2.2.10-9.fc11                    fedora   148 k
 mono-sharpcvslib      i586   0.35-9.fc11                        fedora   502 k
 mono-web              i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   3.1 M
 mono-winforms         i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   3.0 M
 mono-zeroconf         i586   0.7.6-8.fc11                       fedora    60 k
 monodoc               i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   7.3 M
 nant                  i586   1:0.85-27.fc11                     fedora   637 k
 ndesk-dbus            i586   0.6.1a-4.fc11                      fedora    52 k
 ndesk-dbus-glib       i586   0.4.1-4.fc11                       fedora    11 k
 notify-sharp          i586   0.4.0-0.6.20080912svn.fc11         fedora    14 k
 podsleuth             i586   0.6.3-2.fc11                       fedora    48 k
 taglib-sharp          i586   2.0.3.2-2.fc11                     fedora   188 k

Transaction Summary
================================================================================
Install     25 Package(s)         
Update       0 Package(s)         
Remove       0 Package(s)         

Total download size: 36 M
Is this ok [y/N]: Exiting on user Command
Complete!

For Tomboy:


Loaded plugins: downloadonly, refresh-packagekit
Setting up Install Process
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package tomboy.i586 0:0.14.1-2.fc11 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: mono(gdk-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins) = 0.4.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(mscorlib) = 2.0.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Posix) = 2.0.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(gtk-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins.Gui) = 0.4.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(NDesk.DBus) = 1.0.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(gnome-sharp) = 2.24.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(pango-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(gconf-sharp) = 2.24.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(NDesk.DBus.GLib) = 1.0.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Xml) = 2.0.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Cairo) = 2.0.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(gconf-sharp-peditors) = 2.24.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(glib-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins.Setup) = 0.4.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System) = 2.0.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Processing Dependency: mono(gnome-panel-sharp) = 2.24.0.0 for package: tomboy
--> Running transaction check
---> Package gnome-desktop-sharp.i586 0:2.26.0-1.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package gnome-sharp.i586 0:2.24.0-3.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package gtk-sharp2.i586 0:2.12.7-4.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-addins.i586 0:0.4-6.20091702svn127062.1.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-core.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Web) = 2.0.0.0 for package: mono-core
--> Processing Dependency: mono(monodoc) = 1.0.0.0 for package: mono-core
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Configuration.Install) = 1.0.5000.0 for package: mono-core
---> Package ndesk-dbus.i586 0:0.6.1a-4.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package ndesk-dbus-glib.i586 0:0.4.1-4.fc11 set to be updated
--> Running transaction check
---> Package mono-extras.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Windows.Forms) = 2.0.0.0 for package: mono-extras
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Transactions) = 2.0.0.0 for package: mono-extras
--> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Windows.Forms) = 1.0.5000.0 for package: mono-extras
---> Package mono-web.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Data.Sqlite) = 2.0.0.0 for package: mono-web
---> Package monodoc.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
--> Running transaction check
---> Package mono-data.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-data-sqlite.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
---> Package mono-winforms.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

================================================================================
 Package               Arch   Version                            Repository
                                                                           Size
================================================================================
Installing:
 tomboy                i586   0.14.1-2.fc11                      fedora   4.6 M
Installing for dependencies:
 gnome-desktop-sharp   i586   2.26.0-1.fc11                      fedora   211 k
 gnome-sharp           i586   2.24.0-3.fc11                      fedora   327 k
 gtk-sharp2            i586   2.12.7-4.fc11                      fedora   819 k
 mono-addins           i586   0.4-6.20091702svn127062.1.fc11     fedora   484 k
 mono-core             i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora    12 M
 mono-data             i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   1.5 M
 mono-data-sqlite      i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   158 k
 mono-extras           i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   1.5 M
 mono-web              i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   3.1 M
 mono-winforms         i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   3.0 M
 monodoc               i586   2.4-19.fc11                        fedora   7.3 M
 ndesk-dbus            i586   0.6.1a-4.fc11                      fedora    52 k
 ndesk-dbus-glib       i586   0.4.1-4.fc11                       fedora    11 k

Transaction Summary
================================================================================
Install     14 Package(s)         
Update       0 Package(s)         
Remove       0 Package(s)         

Total download size: 35 M
Is this ok [y/N]: Exiting on user Command
Complete!

Some months ago we saw that in OpenSUSE, Evolution depended on Mono. Whether this dependency was a mistake or not is almost irrelevant to the fact that Mono becomes less separable from some GTK applications and Winforms is an even bigger issue.█

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8 Comments

Dan O'Brian said,

June 12, 2009 at 9:05 am

And this is an argument against Mono or the Mono programs, how?

This is an argument against Fedora package dependencies which have no bearing on what their real dependencies are. Obviously.
Michel S. said,

June 12, 2009 at 9:13 am

Fedora’s mono-core pulls in mono-web, which in turns pulls in mono-winforms — so while I agree with Dan that this is a dependency problem, it’s actually not at the application level; it’s the Mono stack itself.

a Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 9:54 am
It’s a problem with fedoras packaging of the mono stack. If debian can install tomboy et al without installing winforms, anyone can.
a said,

June 12, 2009 at 9:50 am

File a packaging bug, Fedora is just listing incorrect dependencies. Don’t spread fud.
eet said,

June 12, 2009 at 10:13 am

Michel, packaging is done by the distribution-guys (i.e. Fedora maintainers), not the Mono-devs.
Dylan McCall said,

June 14, 2009 at 3:20 pm

You, maybe you /shouldn’t/ link to this like some kind of truth (as in here http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/13/comments-forums-ubuntu-re-mono-deleted/)
It doesn’t help you. Your self-referencing is fine and all, so long as it’s accurate.

Dylan McCall Reply:
June 14th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Eep, that typo looked pretty bad

Roy Schestowitz Reply:
June 14th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Where the posts are not entirely correct they usually get corrected. It’s also open to all feedback (no censorship in the comments, ever).

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