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| activelow | i am certain many lives can be saved by monitoring cars and public traffic, to protect children and cyclists | Jul 04 00:00 |
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| activelow | nonetheless never did I hear of any proposal to implement mass surveillance of cars and public traffic by those politicians who seek to protect children by spying on computers | Jul 04 00:01 |
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| activelow | speeding and unusually aggressive driving characteristics are a severe issue in german cities | Jul 04 00:07 |
| activelow | i mean if anywhere mass surveillance could benefit public interests then it would be muss surveillance of cars and traffic | Jul 04 00:07 |
| activelow | *mass | Jul 04 00:07 |
| activelow | nonetheless politicians seek to enforce unconstitutional mass surveillance elsewhere with little to no benefit so far | Jul 04 00:09 |
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| activelow | http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/proprietary-software-inside-cars/ | Jul 04 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Unexplored or Scarcely Explored Ethical Problems With Modern Cars Containing Proprietary Software That Drivers Cannot Remove/Replace | Techrights | Jul 04 00:14 | |
| activelow | ^ taming the unusually aggressive driving characteristics alone potentially could reduce carbon emissions by 30% in germany, a rough estimate of mine | Jul 04 00:15 |
| schestowitz | maybe so | Jul 04 00:18 |
| schestowitz | maybe a future part about that, need more info | Jul 04 00:18 |
| techrights-news | With its #patents , #Samsung is not hijacking the acronym UPC. #TeamUPC will be forgotten and not remembered in history... https://bgr.com/tech/samsung-galaxy-z-roll-rollable-phone-upc-camera-5934161/ | Jul 04 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Samsung might be working on a phone unlike anything else in the world | Jul 04 00:20 | |
| techrights-news | Corrupt #EPO pretending to have embraced #dataprotection standards while grossly violating them https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210702.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/ | Jul 04 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Data protection framework adopted by the Administrative Council | Jul 04 00:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights | Jul 04 00:22 | |
| techrights-news | Instead or working to tackle its #crimes and hold people accounting, #EPO management works hard to cover up the crimes and carry on with them. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Jul 04 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Jul 04 00:23 | |
| techrights-news | It does not seem to have embraces widespread #corruption like the #EPO has https://www.dyoung.com/en/knowledgebank/articles/happy-birthday-bpatg #germany #de | Jul 04 00:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dyoung.com | D Young & Co | Happy birthday to the German Federal Patent Court! | Jul 04 00:25 | |
| activelow | the important difference between cars and traffic under mass surveillance and typical business of gafam is this: the former is *public* space monitored while the latter infringes *privacy* | Jul 04 00:26 |
| techrights-news | This Week in Linux 158: Linux 5.13, Pipewire, System76 Pop!_OS, COSMIC Desktop, Darktable https://tuxdigital.com/2021/07/thisweekinlinux-158/ #gnu #linux | Jul 04 00:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxdigital.com | 158: Linux 5.13, Pipewire, System76 Pop!_OS, COSMIC Desktop, Darktable | This Week in Linux | Jul 04 00:27 | |
| activelow | ironically even EU supposedly concerned with climate etc. opposed the plans of inner city and highway tolls proposed by CSU | Jul 04 00:28 |
| activelow | https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-toll-eu-seehofer-idUSKCN1TJ1C3 | Jul 04 00:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-German interior minister laments EU court ruling on road toll | Reuters | Jul 04 00:29 | |
| techrights-news | " #Netsurf is a really gerat brow ers, very little memory consumption and la lightning fast application there are some features tthat i would like to use if they exist" https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1105488-start-0.html | Jul 04 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - need help with netsurf | Jul 04 00:33 | |
| techrights-news | "changing the default zoom permamently" is one thing that is unfortunately still missing in #netsurf https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1105488-start-0.html | Jul 04 00:36 |
| techrights-news | Audiocasts/Shows: This Week in Linux, Startx, ’cut’ and 'tr' • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153006 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: This Week in Linux, Startx, 'cut' and 'tr' | Tux Machines | Jul 04 00:37 | |
| activelow | this one could detonate: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-08/eu-preparing-legal-proceedings-against-germany-on-ecb-verdict | Jul 04 00:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? | Jul 04 00:40 | |
| activelow | and when it does EPO will have little relevance anymore anyway | Jul 04 00:41 |
| techrights-news | ...However, #netsurf does come with many command line options http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/cosmic/man1/netsurf-fb.1.html | Jul 04 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-manpages.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu Manpage: netsurf - A small fast web browser | Jul 04 00:43 | |
| schestowitz | ECB is run by a criminal | Jul 04 00:44 |
| schestowitz | but her mate who kept her out of prison is now EU commissioner | Jul 04 00:44 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/11/27/breton-lagarde-connections/ | Jul 04 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Understanding Thierry Breton: “Mister Cash” and “Madame Bailout” | Techrights | Jul 04 00:45 | |
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| activelow | anyway, to my understanding the ruling principle of EU is NOT "supremacy", it is "subsidiarity" | Jul 04 01:12 |
| activelow | and EU/ECB are bound by *contracts* which EU/ECB violated | Jul 04 01:14 |
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| activelow | excessively. and insofar it isn't some national courts posing a threat to "supremacy" of EU court of justice, it is EU/ECB violating contracts which posed the threat | Jul 04 01:16 |
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| activelow | "The ruling was a direct challenge to the supremacy of the EU court, whose rulings are binding across the 27-nation bloc" -> WRONG | Jul 04 01:17 |
| activelow | member nation states and EU institutions themselves are bound by *contracts* which were violated | Jul 04 01:18 |
| activelow | furthermore EU seeked to sanction nations who complied with and implemented EU law: such as border patrol (hungary), or eastern european nations who did *comply* with maastricht criteria, while those nations who dominate and hijacked EU institutions did NOT | Jul 04 01:23 |
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| activelow | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiarity#General_principle_of_European_Union_law | Jul 04 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Subsidiarity - Wikipedia | Jul 04 01:29 | |
| activelow | the court of justice cannot decide if EU contracts are void, if EU contracts were void then EU court of justice was, leave alone their claimed "supremacy" over national supreme courts | Jul 04 01:32 |
| activelow | german supreme court did NOT question "supremacy" of EU court of justice nor did german supreme court question validity of EU treaty | Jul 04 01:35 |
| activelow | german supreme court warned EU/ECB are acting in violation of EU treaty | Jul 04 01:36 |
| activelow | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/09/eu-launches-legal-case-against-germany-over-alleged-breach-of-eu-law-primacy-principle | Jul 04 01:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | EU takes legal action against Germany after tussle between courts | European Union | The Guardian | Jul 04 01:43 | |
| activelow | “The German court deprived a judgment of the European court of justice of its legal effect in Germany, breaching the principle of the primacy of EU law” -> WRONG | Jul 04 01:48 |
| activelow | "primacy of EU law" is bound by EU treaty and subsidiarity principle (not! "supremacy"), whose contracts were violated by EU/ECB institutions themselves | Jul 04 01:51 |
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| activelow | in fact it seems EU protects those who *violate* the law, and sanctions those who are compliant, which isn't specific to some individual national entity either | Jul 04 02:01 |
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| activelow | “The last word on EU law is always spoken in Luxembourg.” -> WRONG, it is EU treaty | Jul 04 02:18 |
| activelow | btw. german supreme court didn't slap EU court of justice mainly, it slapped the German government mostly | Jul 04 02:19 |
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| activelow | since when and why would compliance with EU treaty and legal framework "set ‘dangerous precedent’ for integrity of EU law"? | Jul 04 02:41 |
| activelow | “It is for the member state to identify possible solutions. Any solution must be in line with EU law and respect the principle of the primacy of EU law.” | Jul 04 02:47 |
| activelow | This is interesting, since i lack the imagination how Uschi and Merkel and associates could propose anything anymore which didn't violate EU treaty further then they already did. | Jul 04 02:49 |
| activelow | than | Jul 04 02:50 |
| activelow | too i would be curious how some supreme court would rule if some EU institutions approved experimental vaccines which in principle couldn't have been to funnel hundreds of millions and billions of cash into shareholder pockets (CureVac who presented their research results a vaccine couldn't have been approved to begin with) | Jul 04 02:53 |
| activelow | it was german government being biggest shareholder of Biontec iirc | Jul 04 02:54 |
| activelow | instead recently the criminal gang who dictates german politics and media proposed to "sanction deligitimization of governmental institutions" in parallel to "permissive mass surveillance" implemented | Jul 04 03:00 |
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| activelow | so, now both EU court of justice AND German Supreme Court together raised a red flag, within 2 month a response is mandatory to proceed | Jul 04 03:10 |
| activelow | "Germany will now have two months to respond to the commission’s letter laying out its concerns." June 8, 2021 | Jul 04 03:13 |
| activelow | and it isn't german supreme court itself who had to propose anything, typically, supreme court instructs german government to issue such proposal, which must remain in compliance with both german constitution and EU treaty | Jul 04 03:13 |
| activelow | the irony will be it is even more enthusiastic EU "supporters" now who seek to take seat in german government after national parliament elections September 2021, who must respond to EU treaty infringement proceedings | Jul 04 03:24 |
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| activelow | is this a coincidence my onion circuits dropped twice within a few hours (which these rarely do otherwise) when citing newspapers and their false news about ECB shareholders? | Jul 04 04:15 |
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| activelow | had to forcefully flush onion directory cashes several times to reestablish a stable circuit (of 6 hops in total here) | Jul 04 04:17 |
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| activelow | political opponents hacking and slaying each other currently is a distraction from the fact no government could legally rule in Germany anymore without violating EU treaty and german constitution when proceeding with their corona coin nonsense to dump trillions of cash. | Jul 04 04:29 |
| activelow | since German Supreme Court too ruled some specific social security legislation did violate german constitution, since year 2000 already. | Jul 04 04:31 |
| activelow | so either any future government violated german constitution and EU treaties by dumping cash and bloating debt, or an austerity policy violated german constitution (related to social security which supreme court ruled) | Jul 04 04:32 |
| activelow | this was a masterpiece of EU politics, to violate both: EU treaties with regards to excessive spendings for those who had benefit (shareholders), in parallel to violating german constitution due to a strict austerity agenda against those who couldn't defend themselves (younger generation, youth unemployment etc) | Jul 04 04:38 |
| activelow | this is the explanation why ideological lunacies are flourishing surrounding covid and climate and whatabout, which do not originate in the realm of political fringe either | Jul 04 04:54 |
| activelow | in fact it is government itself and public state-owned news and media who agitate and incite the masses in germany | Jul 04 04:57 |
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| activelow | "Despite Brexit and higher levels of euroscepticism generally, the UK was relatively good at implementing EU rules compared to its neighbours" (!) | Jul 04 07:18 |
| activelow | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-merkel-germany-breaks-more-eu-rules-worst-bottom-class-a8198271.html | Jul 04 07:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Germany now 'biggest breaker of EU rules', according to official figures | The Independent | The Independent | Jul 04 07:18 | |
| schestowitz | activelow: compared to Switzerland, Norway? | Jul 04 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Either way, I'm disappointed by how Germany deals with EPO | Jul 04 07:20 |
| schestowitz | they now go ahead and cover up the crimes | Jul 04 07:20 |
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| schestowitz | [00:22] <techrights-news> Corrupt #EPO pretending to have embraced #dataprotection standards while grossly violating them https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210702.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/ | Jul 04 07:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Data protection framework adopted by the Administrative Council | Jul 04 07:21 | |
| schestowitz | [00:23] <techrights-news> Instead or working to tackle its #crimes and hold people accounting, #EPO management works hard to cover up the crimes and carry on with them. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Jul 04 07:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights | Jul 04 07:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Jul 04 07:21 | |
| schestowitz | earlier today | Jul 04 07:21 |
| activelow | morning schestowitz: with reference to EU treaties i would argue, following recent German Supreme Court ruling. | Jul 04 07:21 |
| activelow | "The European Court of Justice ultimately has the final say over whether rules have been broken" -> WRONG, it hasn't. It is the EU treaties (Maastricht, Schengen, ...). | Jul 04 07:22 |
| activelow | the guiding principle of EU isn't "supremacy" of any EU instititution, it is subsidiarity principle codified in EU treaties. | Jul 04 07:23 |
| schestowitz | https://hardforum.com/threads/itching-to-upgrade-but-i-know-its-a-bad-time-and-been-awhile.2011901/ | Jul 04 07:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hardforum.com | Itching to upgrade, but I know its a bad time and been awhile. | [H]ard|Forum | Jul 04 07:23 | |
| schestowitz | debian, kubuntu | Jul 04 07:23 |
| schestowitz | ECB isn't an EU thing | Jul 04 07:24 |
| schestowitz | it's IO like EPO | Jul 04 07:24 |
| schestowitz | it's above the law | Jul 04 07:24 |
| schestowitz | and it is currently governed by a convicted criminal, Lagarde | Jul 04 07:24 |
| schestowitz | so it can, afaik, mostly ignore/flout eu lalw | Jul 04 07:24 |
| schestowitz | except for pr/optics | Jul 04 07:25 |
| activelow | it is remarkable hundreds of newspapers spread thousands of articles, all of them perpetuating the nonsense some individual national supreme court was bound by some "supremacy" of supra-national EU institution | Jul 04 07:33 |
| activelow | if any national government or EU institution violated EU treaties and national constitution then any national supreme court MUST object | Jul 04 07:34 |
| schestowitz | ECB is not subjected to courts | Jul 04 07:36 |
| schestowitz | or hardly | Jul 04 07:36 |
| schestowitz | it's an ongoing problem | Jul 04 07:36 |
| schestowitz | there's ILO-AT for staff | Jul 04 07:36 |
| activelow | german government abusing ECB is for the sake of shareholders. german government must comply with german supreme court ruling, which is within only ~4 weeks remaining now german government *must* propose how to comply with EU treaties and german constitution with their response to the infringement case | Jul 04 07:40 |
| schestowitz | it's a cash cow | Jul 04 07:43 |
| schestowitz | so they look the other way | Jul 04 07:43 |
| schestowitz | just like with EPO | Jul 04 07:43 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2016/12/13/european-central-bank-on-battistelli/ | Jul 04 07:43 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/11/23/frankfurt-bank-re-suepo/ | Jul 04 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Staff Union of the European Central Bank Blasts Benoît Battistelli | Techrights | Jul 04 07:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Central Bank Staff Committee Adds to Growing Pressure on Abusive EPO Management | Techrights | Jul 04 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/12/19/lagarde-ecb/ | Jul 04 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Understanding Thierry Breton: The “Killer Shark” Resurfaces… | Techrights | Jul 04 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2017/03/18/letter-from-union-european-central-bank/ | Jul 04 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Letter From European Public Services Organisation (IPSO) to Angela Merkel and Heiko Maas Regarding EPO Union-Busting Catastrophe | Techrights | Jul 04 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | Groklaw: "This organisation is currently ineligible to receive donations." | Jul 04 07:52 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▁▅▄▄▅▃▂▅▃▆▇▅▅▄▁▂▂▅▇▅▆▅▁▄▅▆▅▅▅▅▄▅▆▁ avg(k/sec) 32.80 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▃▁▁▂▁█▂▃█▁▂▂▃▂▁▁█▁▂▂▂▂▇▂▃▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 42.41▕ swarm size (avg): 307.59 ⟲ | Jul 04 08:01 |
| activelow | i am not sure it is at least possible in principle to verify validity of patents often | Jul 04 08:17 |
| activelow | since release dates of publications can be tampered, databases manipulated, in practice | Jul 04 08:18 |
| activelow | and regardles of patent claims plagiarism (and theft ) are a severe violation of scientific standards | Jul 04 08:18 |
| activelow | plagiarism theft and fraud are illegal regardless of patents anyway | Jul 04 08:20 |
| activelow | GPL doesn't terminate author's rights or common law either, or abandon penal code concerned with plagiarism, theft and fraud | Jul 04 08:21 |
| activelow | and in practice GPL can be a utility to enforce patent claims, when proprietary software would prevent it | Jul 04 08:22 |
| activelow | i am not convinced patents are the legal framework to guarantee social security to developers and scientists either, instead it is labor market regulations | Jul 04 08:24 |
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| activelow | i am not at least sure if plagiarism alone sufficed for legal action, even without patent claims involved | Jul 04 08:29 |
| techrights-news | #Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153008 #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 04 08:59 | |
| techrights-news | 7 guides about open source to keep your brain busy this summer • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153007 | Jul 04 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 guides about open source to keep your brain busy this summer | Tux Machines | Jul 04 08:59 | |
| techrights-news | [Old] First time #EUCommission pursues case relating to divisional #patent filing and #litigation strategies https://hsfnotes.com/crt/2021/03/04/first-time-eu-commission-pursues-case-relating-to-divisional-patent-filing-and-litigation-strategies/ | Jul 04 09:00 |
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| techrights-news | Linux 5.14 With #EXT4 Adds Interface To Help Prevent Information Leakage From The Journal - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-EXT4 ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest | Jul 04 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 With EXT4 Adds Interface To Help Prevent Information Leakage From The Journal - Phoronix | Jul 04 09:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jul 04 09:00 | |
| techrights-news | #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, July 03, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Jul 04 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Jul 04 09:00 | |
| techrights-news | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Jul 04 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Jul 04 09:01 | |
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| techrights-news | "The simple answer is he just sold #RedHat for several times what it was worth and left #IBM the moment he was vested." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-030721.html#tJul%2003%2023:03:10 | Jul 04 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, July 03, 2021 | Jul 04 09:01 | |
| techrights-news | Instruction during pandemic provides foundation for future STEM #education https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2021/Q2/instruction-during-pandemic-provides-foundation-for-future-stem-education.html | Jul 04 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.purdue.edu | Instruction during pandemic provides foundation for future STEM education - Purdue University News | Jul 04 09:02 | |
| techrights-news | #EUIPO embracing buzzwords and hype, perhaps to help distract from the #corruption https://www.mondaq.com/turkey/trademark/1075710/european-union-intellectual-property-office-launches-europe39s-first-ever-blockchain-platform-for-secure-delivery-in-real-time-of-ip-rights-information see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO | Jul 04 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Union Intellectual Property Office Launches Europe's First Ever Blockchain Platform For Secure Delivery In Real Time Of IP Rights Information - Intellectual Property - European Union | Jul 04 09:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights | Jul 04 09:02 | |
| techrights-news | "mass surveillance of *public* car traffic at least could serve a *public* interest" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-030721.html#tJul%2003%2023:56:21 | Jul 04 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, July 03, 2021 | Jul 04 09:02 | |
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| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheVerge #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Another day, another #WD security flaw https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/2/22561140/wd-cloud-os-3-security-flaw-update-patch-disconnect | Jul 04 09:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Another day, another WD security flaw - The Verge | Jul 04 09:12 | |
| techrights-news | #Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #VOANews #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Major Swedish Supermarket Chain Hit by Cyberattack https://www.voanews.com/europe/major-swedish-supermarket-chain-hit-cyberattack | Jul 04 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Major Swedish Supermarket Chain Hit by Cyberattack | Voice of America - English | Jul 04 09:13 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #BBC #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Swedish Coop supermarkets shut due to US ransomware cyber-attack https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57707530 | Jul 04 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Swedish Coop supermarkets shut due to US ransomware cyber-attack - BBC News | Jul 04 09:13 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheVerge #nl #Surveillance #Privacy ☞ Dutch court rejects Facebook’s bid to have privacy lawsuit in the #Netherlands dismissed https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/3/22561949/dutch-court-rejects-facebook-privacy-lawsuit-netherlands | Jul 04 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Dutch court rejects Facebook’s bid to have privacy lawsuit in the Netherlands dismissed - The Verge | Jul 04 09:14 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheHill #Surveillance #Privacy ☞ Dozens of Capitol [insurrection] defendants accused of trying to delete photos, texts https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/561465-dozens-of-capitol-riot-defendants-accused-of-trying-to-delete-photos | Jul 04 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dozens of Capitol riot defendants accused of trying to delete photos, texts | TheHill | Jul 04 09:14 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #AssociatedPress #Surveillance #Privacy ☞ [Insurrectionists] accused of erasing content from social media, phones https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-capitol-siege-business-electoral-college-media-efe0ea1092bc11c6d3f42ea4ef752d98 | Jul 04 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | Rioters accused of erasing content from social media, phones | Jul 04 09:14 | |
| techrights-news | I've given away my ARM machine, partly... so the wife now uses 3 laptops in tandem and so do I. 10 screens total. | Jul 04 09:16 |
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| bradchaus | hello from oz folks | Jul 04 09:22 |
| techrights-news | #uk #rightToRepair https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/let's-talk-about-the-new-uk-right-to:4 | Jul 04 09:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Let's talk about the new UK right to repair law and why it isn't a failure. | Jul 04 09:25 | |
| techrights-news | #GNU / #Linux Market Share is Surging, Up More Than 50% This Year (Based on One Firm That Tracks Such Numbers) http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/statcounter-latest/ #microsoft #windows #monopoly | Jul 04 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNU/Linux Market Share is Surging, Up More Than 50% This Year (Based on One Firm That Tracks Such Numbers) | Techrights | Jul 04 09:33 | |
| schestowitz | bradchaus: hi | Jul 04 09:34 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #DontExtraditeAssange #assange #wikileaks ☞ Messages for Julian Assange’s 50th Birthday https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-clip/messages-for-julian-assanges-50th-birthday/ | Jul 04 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | Messages for Julian Assange's 50th Birthday - Don't Extradite Assange | Jul 04 09:35 | |
| bradchaus | Hi there ... I have been watching Techrights for a LONG time ... but this latest stuff that M$ is doing ... the b*stards sgould be strung up ... how do hey get away with it? | Jul 04 09:36 |
| bradchaus | should | Jul 04 09:36 |
| schestowitz | which stuff? | Jul 04 09:36 |
| bradchaus | so I finally joined your IRC channel | Jul 04 09:36 |
| schestowitz | there are many aspects to what they do | Jul 04 09:36 |
| schestowitz | welcome to IRC! | Jul 04 09:36 |
| bradchaus | the crap about Linus every time a kernel is released | Jul 04 09:36 |
| schestowitz | it's our main means for comms and coord | Jul 04 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | ah, that thing | Jul 04 09:37 |
| schestowitz | personifying Linux to then attack people | Jul 04 09:37 |
| schestowitz | politicians tactics | Jul 04 09:37 |
| schestowitz | see link about re assang... I mean, wikileaks | Jul 04 09:37 |
| bradchaus | talk about pot calling kettle black ... that G8s bastard, he is a liar, thief, monopolist, even a racketeer in my view, and has passed on that attitude to M$ ... | Jul 04 09:38 |
| bradchaus | and win11 ... what a f-ing joke LOL | Jul 04 09:38 |
| bradchaus | I was in the IT game when DOS was 1.1 ... I saw what happened | Jul 04 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | well, one co-founder is dead | Jul 04 09:44 |
| schestowitz | the other one is down | Jul 04 09:44 |
| schestowitz | ballmer is... well, where to start? | Jul 04 09:44 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/07/01/steve-ballmer-viral-video/ | Jul 04 09:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Left This Man in Charge of Microsoft for Decades | Techrights | Jul 04 09:44 | |
| schestowitz | but we need to look ahead | Jul 04 09:44 |
| schestowitz | IBM has been a woe lately... and now IBM is also collapsing | Jul 04 09:44 |
| schestowitz | so, imho, we need to talk less about 'linux' and more about software freedom | Jul 04 09:45 |
| schestowitz | because some people thinking buying a mac or using google/android is OK because "no Microsoft" | Jul 04 09:45 |
| schestowitz | 'linux' as in LF just means all sort of crazy things now | Jul 04 09:45 |
| schestowitz | leah is launching saveGNU.org soon | Jul 04 09:46 |
| schestowitz | https://savegnu.org/ | Jul 04 09:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savegnu.org | Jul 04 09:46 | |
| bradchaus | yeah ... I guess its just that I am so enraged about how the net has evolved over my lifetime, and the constant attacks on freedom, GOOD software, GOOD people etc ... by these huge behemoth companies, that have only become huge because of the exact sort of work these people do ... | Jul 04 09:46 |
| techrights-news | According to #StatCounter which mostly counts people who are easy to spy on, almost 3% of observed laptop/desktop users are on #GNU / #Linux ‘proper’ (not counting the most widely used operating system, #Android , which is Linux-powered) http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/statcounter-latest/ | Jul 04 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNU/Linux Market Share is Surging, Up More Than 50% This Year (Based on One Firm That Tracks Such Numbers) | Techrights | Jul 04 09:47 | |
| bradchaus | LF is a smokescreen | Jul 04 09:48 |
| techrights-news | 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, July 03, 2021 • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/irc-log-030721/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/irc-log-030721/ | Jul 04 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, July 03, 2021 | Techrights | Jul 04 09:48 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ OMI IN A HELLCAT: My Pirate #IPTV Service Was Legal. US Govt: No Way https://torrentfreak.com/omi-in-a-hellcat-my-pirate-iptv-service-was-legal-us-govt-no-way-210702/ | Jul 04 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OMI IN A HELLCAT: My Pirate IPTV Service Was Legal. US Govt: No Way * TorrentFreak | Jul 04 09:49 | |
| schestowitz | bradchaus: they are a front grou | Jul 04 09:50 |
| bradchaus | yep | Jul 04 09:50 |
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| bradchaus | LOL#balmer-video ... I knew he was a nitwit decades ago LOL | Jul 04 09:52 |
| schestowitz | idiots surrounded by other idiots. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html | Jul 04 09:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times | Jul 04 09:52 | |
| schestowitz | but we need to open up the battlefront along concepts and ideology rather than brands | Jul 04 09:53 |
| bradchaus | absolutely | Jul 04 09:53 |
| techrights-news | "How’s Rob going to improve the sales organization?! Jesus f Christ. AK has no idea what he’s going." #ibm #redhat https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bELGiJP#replies | Jul 04 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Jim Whitehurst and Bridget van Kralingen are out in an IBM leadership shakeup - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jul 04 09:54 | |
| bradchaus | could you link me to the assange/wikileaks thing you mentioned please? | Jul 04 09:54 |
| techrights-news | There seems to be consensus that Jim Whitehurst left #ibm (he'll still 'consult' or 'advise' them) by his own choice, but we don't have hard evidence, just gossip and assessment based on media statements from CEO AK. | Jul 04 09:56 |
| techrights-news | "THE #Windows #monopoly is eroding, but who or what grows at its expense? Well, #ChromeOS is based on #GNU / #Linux but we don’t count it as such because it does not respect users’ freedom." http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/statcounter-latest/ | Jul 04 09:56 |
| techrights-news | "F u c k i n g AK… despote, tyrant, dictator…" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bEhoBch#replies see http://techrights.org/2020/10/24/militarised-elephants/ | Jul 04 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM chief Arvind Krishna cements his position as heir apparent quits - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jul 04 09:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Militarised Elephant in the Room Still Commands a Lot of Free Software Development | Techrights | Jul 04 09:57 | |
| schestowitz | bradchaus: what about? | Jul 04 09:57 |
| schestowitz | there's this from 20 mins ago: | Jul 04 09:58 |
| schestowitz | [09:35] <techrights-news> ● NEWS ● #DontExtraditeAssange #assange #wikileaks ☞ Messages for Julian Assange’s 50th Birthday https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-clip/messages-for-julian-assanges-50th-birthday/ | Jul 04 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | Messages for Julian Assange's 50th Birthday - Don't Extradite Assange | Jul 04 09:58 | |
| bradchaus | that must be it ... thanks | Jul 04 09:58 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Copyrights ☞ #Sony Hates You: EarthBound Let's Plays Flagged For #Copyright Infringement Due To Soundtrack https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210630/11502047098/sony-hates-you-earthbound-lets-plays-flagged-copyright-infringement-due-to-soundtrack.shtml | Jul 04 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sony Hates You: EarthBound Let's Plays Flagged For Copyright Infringement Due To Soundtrack | Techdirt | Jul 04 09:58 | |
| bradchaus | Our government here in Australia has virtual blood on their hands in the assange matter too | Jul 04 09:59 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/07/01/the-burden-of-truth/ | Jul 04 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Burden of Truth | Techrights | Jul 04 10:00 | |
| schestowitz | Did you see this? | Jul 04 10:00 |
| schestowitz | Gillard | Jul 04 10:00 |
| schestowitz | ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gillard ) | Jul 04 10:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Julia Gillard - Wikipedia | Jul 04 10:01 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ #Oil and Gas Companies Depend on Tax Subsidies and #JobCreation #Myths to Survive https://truthout.org/articles/oil-and-gas-companies-depend-on-tax-subsidies-and-job-creation-myths-to-survive/ | Jul 04 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Oil and Gas Companies Depend on Tax Subsidies and Job Creation Myths to Survive | Jul 04 10:02 | |
| bradchaus | that burden of truth article ... there is no difference between what zuckerberg does and assange's so called criminality | Jul 04 10:04 |
| schestowitz | I am doing a meme about Microsoft ATM... | Jul 04 10:06 |
| schestowitz | bradchaus: there is | Jul 04 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Zuck spies on people... for governments | Jul 04 10:06 |
| schestowitz | JA spies [sic] on governments... to inform people | Jul 04 10:06 |
| immibis | Librarian: "freedom"? "anything"? | Jul 04 10:08 |
| immibis | "slavery"? "fucking lie"? | Jul 04 10:08 |
| immibis | anyway, why is it so hard to admit that you want to forcibly impose yourself on my free choice | Jul 04 10:08 |
| immibis | ? | Jul 04 10:08 |
| activelow | the data is inconclusive if it didn't include threadx and minix, who are are dominating deployment market share | Jul 04 10:13 |
| activelow | minix is shipped with 99% of all intel systems | Jul 04 10:14 |
| activelow | and threadx could hide inside every usb hub or elsewhere, microsoft doesn't tell how they accounted for the 6billion deployments | Jul 04 10:14 |
| bradchaus | thats true schestowitz ... I was meaning that assange really has done much the same in printing stuff that is not his authorshup .. so why does zuck get off, and assange get crucified? | Jul 04 10:17 |
| bradchaus | MONEY, CONNECTIONS | Jul 04 10:17 |
| bradchaus | right from when FB first became public/online, I KNEW it was trouble ... and advised my friends to steer clear ... I could see it happeneninig right back then | Jul 04 10:20 |
| gustaf | well Assange made an enemy of the most powerful government on the planet | Jul 04 10:21 |
| gustaf | Zuck made friends with it | Jul 04 10:21 |
| bradchaus | the p;d adage, if you lay with dogs, you get fleas ... one can only hope ... | Jul 04 10:21 |
| bradchaus | old adage | Jul 04 10:21 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: yes, exactly | Jul 04 10:22 |
| bradchaus | no aspersion against dogs there btw ... I love my dogs :) | Jul 04 10:22 |
| schestowitz | likewise, in journalism, you don't receive awards for exposing high-level crimes | Jul 04 10:22 |
| schestowitz | the awards are giving by those people | Jul 04 10:23 |
| bradchaus | like the ABC here in Australia ... their journalists uncover some really nasty, prickly, downright illegal crap happening within our government ranks ... so naturally an Idnependant Commission Against Corruption wont happen here for a while | Jul 04 10:24 |
| bradchaus | ABC is our publlic ly funded broadcaster for those who dont know | Jul 04 10:26 |
| techrights-news | [Meme] Microsoft Will Fix Everything, Eventually... • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/microsoft-will-fix-everything/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/microsoft-will-fix-everything/ | Jul 04 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Microsoft Will Fix Everything, Eventually… | Techrights | Jul 04 10:27 | |
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| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #wikileaks #fbi #blackmail #iceland ☞ #Assange Supporters Demand Release Amid Key DOJ Witness's Admission Testimony Was Fabricated https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/03/assange-supporters-demand-release-amid-key-doj-witnesss-admission-testimony-was | Jul 04 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Assange Supporters Demand Release Amid Key DOJ Witness's Admission Testimony Was Fabricated | Common Dreams News | Jul 04 10:27 | |
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| bradchaus | you poor people over in the USA have one of ours over there causing no end of trouble too ... bloody Murdoch | Jul 04 10:29 |
| bradchaus | the sooner he turns his toes up the beter | Jul 04 10:29 |
| bradchaus | better | Jul 04 10:29 |
| bradchaus | love the meme schestowitz :) | Jul 04 10:32 |
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| techrights-news | What #ZDNet is Teaching Us About #Linux http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/linux-zdnet-bad/ #propahanda #micfrosoft #ibm | Jul 04 10:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What ZDNet is Teaching Us About Linux | Techrights | Jul 04 10:48 | |
| schestowitz | bradchaus: Rumsfeld gone | Jul 04 10:48 |
| schestowitz | and few other problematic figures lately | Jul 04 10:49 |
| schestowitz | can't keep track | Jul 04 10:49 |
| bradchaus | known unknowns :P | Jul 04 10:49 |
| bradchaus | and unkown unkowns :P | Jul 04 10:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ismurdochdead?lang=en | Jul 04 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.smh.com.au/national/murdoch-editors-told-to-kill-whitlam-in-1975-20140627-zson7.html | Jul 04 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au | Murdoch editors told to 'kill Whitlam' in 1975 | Jul 04 10:49 | |
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| schestowitz | [09:18] <techrights-news> ● NEWS ● #NBC ☞ Donald #Rumsfeld pushed for the #Iraq War. We should mourn its innocent victims, not him. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/donald-rumsfeld-pushed-iraq-war-we-should-mourn-its-innocent-ncna1272918 | Jul 04 10:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Donald Rumsfeld pushed for the Iraq War. We should mourn its innocent victims, not him. | Jul 04 10:51 | |
| bradchaus | even murdoch's son James distanced himself ... that other one, umm, lachlan ... he just does what daddy says ... he shits when daddy says shit | Jul 04 10:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 04 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | bradchaus: will be interesting to see what happens when the dad is dead | Jul 04 10:55 |
| schestowitz | and what they do next | Jul 04 10:55 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheGrayZone #WikiLeaks ☞ Julian #Assange spends 50th birthday in prison – Protesters demand freedom for WikiLeaks journalist https://thegrayzone.com/2021/07/03/julian-assange-50-birthday-prison/ | Jul 04 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | Julian Assange spends 50th birthday in prison - Protesters demand freedom for WikiLeaks journalist | The Grayzone | Jul 04 10:56 | |
| bradchaus | hopefully News Corp will implode ... | Jul 04 10:56 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #WikiLeaks ☞ Redeem American Ideals: US Government Must End the Political Prosecution of Julian #Assange https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/07/03/redeem-american-ideals-us-government-must-end-political-prosecution-julian-assange | Jul 04 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Redeem American Ideals: US Government Must End the Political Prosecution of Julian Assange | Nozomi Hayase | Jul 04 10:56 | |
| schestowitz | bradchaus: the bigots it created won't go away | Jul 04 10:57 |
| bradchaus | unfortunately not | Jul 04 10:58 |
| schestowitz | they'll turn to the next conglomerates that feeds their bigotry | Jul 04 10:58 |
| schestowitz | when you create a bigot it takes a lot of time and effort to deprogramme | Jul 04 10:58 |
| schestowitz | poor-shaming, xenophobia, sexism... | Jul 04 10:58 |
| bradchaus | if its even possible | Jul 04 10:58 |
| schestowitz | it helps legitimise worst elements in society | Jul 04 10:58 |
| schestowitz | "election fraud" | Jul 04 10:59 |
| bradchaus | China is laughing at us ... and rightly so | Jul 04 10:59 |
| bradchaus | well, the CCP | Jul 04 10:59 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TimesHigherEducation #Patents ☞ Nobelist: scrap patent system and publicly fund drug discovery https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/nobelist-scrap-patent-system-and-publicly-fund-drug-discovery | Jul 04 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Nobelist: scrap patent system and publicly fund drug discovery | Times Higher Education (THE) | Jul 04 11:00 | |
| bradchaus | i dont mean to infer all chinese people there | Jul 04 11:00 |
| techrights-news | "The billionaire’s pandemic investments, like much of his work, remain a secret." https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ #billgates #patents #monopoly #greed #crime | Jul 04 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation | Jul 04 11:01 | |
| bradchaus | G8's missus saw the light | Jul 04 11:02 |
| schestowitz | china worked hard for decades | Jul 04 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | so did japan, for that matter....and taiwan | Jul 04 11:03 |
| schestowitz | The longterm price of outsourced manufacturing of goods is a rotting economy | Jul 04 11:04 |
| schestowitz | [12:57] <techrights-news> Wnenever the government and the #corporateMedia speak of "unemployment" be sure to point out Work Participation Rate is the ACTUAL number of importance (and things are GRIM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workforce | Jul 04 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Workforce - Wikipedia | Jul 04 11:04 | |
| schestowitz | [13:00] <techrights-news> Example: "As of 2010 in the United States, 123 million women age 16 years and over have worked in the U.S., 72 million, or 58.6 percent, were working or looking for work." That means over 41% were in effect unemployed, either unable or unwilling but over time more are unable as there are no jobs. That's the REAL unemployment rate. Don't let 'news' papers lie to you or shame/stigmatise those not working. | Jul 04 11:04 |
| bradchaus | I have worked with many people of chinese nationality over my 50 years in IT ... they have ALL been decent people ... none of them supported the CCP "in teir heart" | Jul 04 11:04 |
| schestowitz | they can say that when they're outside China | Jul 04 11:05 |
| bradchaus | exactly | Jul 04 11:05 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #NPR #Disinformation #Misinformation ☞ How Pro-Trump Local News Sites Keep Pushing 2020 Election Misinformation https://text.npr.org/1011916687 | Jul 04 11:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | How Pro-Trump Local News Sites Keep Pushing 2020 Election Misinformation | Jul 04 11:07 | |
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| activelow | at the age of 16 years teenagers belong into school, university or some job training | Jul 04 11:08 |
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| activelow | and it isn't a gender issue, it is related to education | Jul 04 11:08 |
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| activelow | if the unemployment data is normalized against type of education chosen or lack thereof, then the gender-specific discrepancy is almost insignificant | Jul 04 11:12 |
| bradchaus | seen this schestowitz? ... https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/04/15/assa-a15.html | Jul 04 11:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Australian Labor Party conference passes mealy-mouthed motion “defending” Assange - World Socialist Web Site | Jul 04 11:13 | |
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| cow_2001 | what was the alyx website? something like savegnu.org? | Jul 04 11:39 |
| schestowitz | activelow: I cited female stats as they're more worrying in the rates context | Jul 04 11:40 |
| schestowitz | like 42% 'unemployment' in the US | Jul 04 11:40 |
| schestowitz | For men it's not a lot better | Jul 04 11:40 |
| schestowitz | bradchaus: better than nothing, I guess | Jul 04 11:41 |
| schestowitz | the political defenders of Assange were removed | Jul 04 11:41 |
| schestowitz | for like, being in NZ or Taz until some small age | Jul 04 11:41 |
| cow_2001 | shit, not alyx, leah | Jul 04 11:43 |
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| activelow | schestowitz: ok. youth unemployment is another such marker (with records up to 50% in the glorious Eurozone). | Jul 04 11:54 |
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| activelow | excess deficit spendings and youth unemployment of up to 50% -> Merkel-EU | Jul 04 11:57 |
| immibis | activelow: capitalism will not allow that to happen. If you are not making money you do not deserve to live | Jul 04 12:04 |
| activelow | immibis: ??? | Jul 04 12:06 |
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| immibis | activelow: if you are capable of working and do not work, you are not permitted to exist | Jul 04 12:09 |
| immibis | giving those people permission to exist would be socialism | Jul 04 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | activelow: I think it was a tongue in cheek remark from immibis | Jul 04 12:12 |
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| Librarian | immibis: the words in quotation marks are "freedom is slavery." | Jul 04 13:24 |
| Librarian | immibis: I am not a fucking liar, so therefore I *cannot* admit that I want to forcibly impose myself on your free choice, because it isn't true. I don't spew out patently-false things like that, the way socialists do | Jul 04 13:25 |
| immibis | Librarian: why should I care about the etymology of some random phrase? | Jul 04 13:27 |
| immibis | You are spewing out the patently false thing that you don't want to forcibly impose yourself on my free choice | Jul 04 13:27 |
| Librarian | It's not random. It's what you've attempted to do here for days. | Jul 04 13:27 |
| Librarian | No I'm not. You just made that up. | Jul 04 13:27 |
| Librarian | It's wrong. That's why you just repeat the same thing over and over again without ever identifying what it is I'm supposed to be forcing you to do. | Jul 04 13:28 |
| Librarian | Because you're just inventing it, as a pure fiction. | Jul 04 13:28 |
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| Librarian | And that's useful, because it illustrates how psychopathic *all* socialists are (if they're not already quietly and peacefully living their socialist ideals on a kibbutz or commune). There are *zero* socialists (outside of said kibbutzim or communes) who are any more truthful or ethical than you. They're all every bit as horrible, every bit as violent, every bit as greedy, and every bit as much a | Jul 04 13:30 |
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| Librarian | fucking liar as you are. | Jul 04 13:30 |
| Librarian | That's why anyone who's intelligent or ethical cannot share your socialist ideals. Because you have to be a really unintelligent and dishonest person to agree with you. | Jul 04 13:30 |
| immibis | Librarian: I don't remember saying "freedom is slavery" and my scrollback buffer agrees | Jul 04 13:32 |
| immibis | so, it is some random phrase introduced by you | Jul 04 13:32 |
| Librarian | You did, however, attempt to conflate the definitions of those two words. | Jul 04 13:33 |
| Librarian | In exactly the same brainwashing attempt that was documented in the origin of that phrase. | Jul 04 13:33 |
| immibis | It seems to me that you are the one who is trying to say that your forcible imposition of your will on me is freedom, not slavery. | Jul 04 13:33 |
| Librarian | So it would be useful for you to see, when you do that, what totalitarian brainwashing regime you are embodying. | Jul 04 13:33 |
| immibis | have you considered the possibility that you might be wrong? | Jul 04 13:34 |
| Librarian | It "seems to you" wrongly, because I have hever done that, which is why you're reduced to repeating that accusation over and over and over again, without ever once saying what I'm trying to forcefully impose on you. | Jul 04 13:34 |
| Librarian | That's how we know it's pure fiction. That it's simply a fucking lie, as you violent, greedy, psychopathic socialists always do. | Jul 04 13:35 |
| immibis | Librarian: you are trying to forcefully impose on me the idea that I can't take your TV | Jul 04 13:36 |
| immibis | whereas in a totally free society, I could do anything I wanted, such as taking your TV | Jul 04 13:36 |
| immibis | schestowitz: is it though? if you aren't a minor living with your parents, then paying rent is basically getting permission to exist | Jul 04 13:37 |
| immibis | as a non-homeless person | Jul 04 13:37 |
| immibis | and if you *are* homeless you cannot do very much, including the things you'd need to do to stop being homeless | Jul 04 13:37 |
| Librarian | Is your dictating upon me that my labor must result in *you* getting a new TV: A. "totally free" or B. "a forceful imposition?" | Jul 04 13:37 |
| Librarian | If you deprive me of a choice in the question of who benefits from my labor, A. "totally free" or B. "a forceful imposition?" | Jul 04 13:38 |
| immibis | Librarian: I'm not dictating anything about your labour | Jul 04 13:39 |
| techrights-news | Talk About #FreeSoftware on This Software Independence Day • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/software-independence-day/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/software-independence-day/ | Jul 04 13:39 |
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| immibis | you are free to work as much or as little as you want, in any field you want | Jul 04 13:39 |
| Librarian | And to whose benefit? | Jul 04 13:40 |
| schestowitz | immibis: depends on the country | Jul 04 13:40 |
| immibis | up to you | Jul 04 13:40 |
| Librarian | Well, that was a very long conversation for you to figure out the exact problem with socialist. | Jul 04 13:41 |
| Librarian | *socialism. | Jul 04 13:41 |
| Librarian | Glad you were able to come around, to realize its fundamental problem. | Jul 04 13:41 |
| Librarian | You should agree with me sooner next time... it will save you a lot of destroyed credibility. :D | Jul 04 13:41 |
| techrights-news | The hoax ‘news’ site (actually a marketing firm disguised as a publisher) is very selective in the way it covers GNU/Linux http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/linux-zdnet-bad/ | Jul 04 13:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What ZDNet is Teaching Us About Linux | Techrights | Jul 04 13:42 | |
| Librarian | Now, if you want to save and rebuild that credibility you've destroyed over weeks, I suggest you move to a peaceful, voluntary kibbutz, where you can live with *intelligent* and *truthful* socialists. | Jul 04 13:42 |
| techrights-news | #Geminiprotocol (sending pages over gemini://) is growingly a priority for us; at the moment we explore ways to make the Techrights Wiki available over gemini:// (without manual work) • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/techrights-wiki-in-gemini/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/techrights-wiki-in-gemini/ | Jul 04 13:42 |
| immibis | who said anything about socialism, other than you? | Jul 04 13:43 |
| Librarian | You did, obviously. :D | Jul 04 13:43 |
| immibis | ah, several days ago regarding rival and non-rival goods: <immibis> Capitalists try to treat the latter like the former; socialists try to treat the former like the latter. | Jul 04 13:43 |
| Librarian | You might not have been aware of it, because you don't know how to look up words in a dictionary. | Jul 04 13:44 |
| immibis | not sure what that has to do with any of this either | Jul 04 13:44 |
| techrights-news | July 15th, 2019 talk by #RMS (two months before that MIT phony scandal, which distracted from what Bill Gates had done in MIT with J. Epstein) • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/surveillance-like-in-china/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/surveillance-like-in-china/ | Jul 04 13:44 |
| Librarian | Illiteracy is a bitch, but fortunately, I have some logs to help other people learn from your inability to use words according to how dictionaries say everyone else means them. | Jul 04 13:44 |
| immibis | so how do you justify forcefully imposing yourself on my free choice, and saying that your imposition creates more freedom for me, not less? | Jul 04 13:44 |
| Librarian | I haven't forcefully imposed myself on your free choice. That's just a made-up fiction. | Jul 04 13:45 |
| immibis | when you say "no, you can't do that" that is an imposition. If you use force to prevent me from doing that, it's a forceful imposition. | Jul 04 13:45 |
| Librarian | In fact you even agreed with me, about free choice, when you wrote: | Jul 04 13:45 |
| techrights-news | Considering the growth of #GNU / #Linux and considering the growing threat to our #freedom (TPM, #UEFI ‘secure boot’, surveillance down to the level of keystrokes) we need to accelerate or amplify GNU/Linux advocacy http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/software-independence-day/ | Jul 04 13:45 |
| Librarian | 06:39 < immibis> Librarian: I'm not dictating anything about your labour | Jul 04 13:45 |
| Librarian | 06:39 < immibis> you are free to work as much or as little as you want, in any field you want | Jul 04 13:45 |
| Librarian | 06:40 < Librarian> And to whose benefit? | Jul 04 13:45 |
| Librarian | 06:40 < immibis> up to you | Jul 04 13:45 |
| immibis | how does that constitute an agreement that you imposing your ideas with force is good for freedom? | Jul 04 13:46 |
| Librarian | I have never said that imposing my ideas with force is good for freedom. That's just another symptom of you being a psychopathic fucking liar. | Jul 04 13:47 |
| immibis | then what is the thing you want me to agree with? | Jul 04 13:47 |
| Librarian | 06:39 < immibis> Librarian: I'm not dictating anything about your labour | Jul 04 13:48 |
| Librarian | 06:39 < immibis> you are free to work as much or as little as you want, in any field you want | Jul 04 13:48 |
| Librarian | 06:40 < Librarian> And to whose benefit? | Jul 04 13:48 |
| Librarian | 06:40 < immibis> up to you | Jul 04 13:48 |
| immibis | you want me to agree that you are free to work as much or as little as you want, in any field you want? | Jul 04 13:48 |
| Librarian | But, just so we're clear, let's go back to that question you were terrified to answer just a few minutes ago: please answer it honestly now. | Jul 04 13:48 |
| Librarian | Is your dictating to me that my labor must result in *you* getting a new TV: A. "totally free" or B. "a forceful imposition?" | Jul 04 13:49 |
| Librarian | Don't be scared now! If you truly believe that whose benefit my labor is for is "up to me," as you wrote, then this should be simple for you to answer! | Jul 04 13:50 |
| Librarian | Is your dictating to me that my labor must result in *you* getting a new TV: A. "totally free" or B. "a forceful imposition?" | Jul 04 13:50 |
| immibis | the question doesn't make sense | Jul 04 13:50 |
| immibis | well. actually it does make sense but it's irrelevant because it's an if-then statement with a false if | Jul 04 13:50 |
| Librarian | Oopsie! Looks like you're still terrified to answer. | Jul 04 13:50 |
| Librarian | Looks like it's causing you cognitve dissonance. | Jul 04 13:50 |
| immibis | if it happened, it would be a forceful imposition | Jul 04 13:50 |
| Librarian | Good, good! That's how "hypothetical" questions work. | Jul 04 13:51 |
| Librarian | Glad you were able to learn something new today. :D | Jul 04 13:51 |
| immibis | luckily for me, I made no such claim. | Jul 04 13:51 |
| immibis | would you care to explain the relevance? | Jul 04 13:51 |
| Librarian | Correct; and that's why the TV I worked to earn is mine, and not yours. | Jul 04 13:51 |
| Librarian | Because, as you finally agreed with me, whom my labor benefits is "up to me", and NOT up to you. | Jul 04 13:52 |
| Librarian | I determine who benefits from my labor, you determine who benefits from your labor, and we can get along peacefully just fine. That is "freedom." | Jul 04 13:52 |
| Librarian | But if you attempt to forcefully impose the idea that my labor must benefit you, then that's "slavery." | Jul 04 13:52 |
| Librarian | That's how freedom and slavery are different from each other. | Jul 04 13:52 |
| immibis | So what does this have to do with your denial of my ability to take it from you? | Jul 04 13:52 |
| Librarian | And that's why you have no credibility left: because you stupidly attempted to conflate the definitions of those two words. | Jul 04 13:53 |
| Librarian | If you attempt to take it from me without my consent, then that constitutes your forceful imposition of your decision of who benefits from my labor. | Jul 04 13:53 |
| techrights-news | If media hysteria about variants is supposed to speed up vaccination and reduce hesitancy I think they may be missing the point; each time a variant or mutant is mentioned it contributes to this preconception that existing vaccines aren't so effective (or not for long), so sceptics wait even longer. In that regard, it is an own goal, IMHO. | Jul 04 13:54 |
| Librarian | My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 13:54 |
| Librarian | So, I get to choose who gets it. | Jul 04 13:54 |
| Librarian | If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. | Jul 04 13:54 |
| immibis | if you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product. (Nothing to do with labour!) | Jul 04 13:55 |
| Librarian | That means you're enslaving me. That's the opposite of "totally free." | Jul 04 13:55 |
| Librarian | Of course it has something to do with labor. I labored to earn my TV. | Jul 04 13:56 |
| Librarian | I just told you that above. | Jul 04 13:56 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 13:56 |
| immibis | No, your TV is a TV. | Jul 04 13:56 |
| Librarian | You didn't know that people get TVs by earning money with their labor? | Jul 04 13:56 |
| immibis | There are many ways people can get TVs | Jul 04 13:56 |
| immibis | earning money is not one of them. Spending money is. | Jul 04 13:57 |
| Librarian | Not everybody is a looter, like socialists are. | Jul 04 13:57 |
| Librarian | Most peaceful people actually *do* acquire their TVs by working for them. | Jul 04 13:57 |
| immibis | working is not one of them. Spending money is. | Jul 04 13:57 |
| immibis | even more accurately, buying a TV is one way. | Jul 04 13:57 |
| Librarian | Money is just a symbol of labor performed that others value. | Jul 04 13:58 |
| immibis | a "symbol"? | Jul 04 13:58 |
| Librarian | To get the money to buy a TV, they have to labor, or benefit from someone else's labor. | Jul 04 13:58 |
| Librarian | And it has to be labor that created value for another person. | Jul 04 13:58 |
| Librarian | May I suggest taking an Economics 101 class? This concept is really, really basic. | Jul 04 13:59 |
| immibis | There are many ways people can get money. Working for a wage or salary is one of them. | Jul 04 13:59 |
| Librarian | And most of the other ways are also the result of *someone else* working for a wage or salary (or for themselves) and then consensually giving another person the results of their labor. | Jul 04 13:59 |
| Librarian | It's only a tiny minority of people who get theirs by non-consensual means, and that's how we tell who the psychopaths are. | Jul 04 14:00 |
| immibis | If you can get away with printing money, you're objectively stupid for choosing to work for money instead of printing it | Jul 04 14:00 |
| Librarian | They say about 1% of the population suffers from your mental illness. | Jul 04 14:01 |
| Librarian | Unfortunately, centralized systems of control over money supply *attract* people who suffer from your psychopathy. | Jul 04 14:01 |
| immibis | I can see why you're banned from the *real* techrights channel. You're incapable of discussing objective facts without devolving into name-calling | Jul 04 14:01 |
| Librarian | I'm not banned from any techrights channel. | Jul 04 14:02 |
| Librarian | I'm in one of them right now. | Jul 04 14:02 |
| Librarian | I just don't give psychopaths positions of power over me, so I don't say anything there. | Jul 04 14:02 |
| immibis | "everyone I don't like is a psychopath" | Jul 04 14:02 |
| immibis | see, name-calling. Now would you like to get back on topic? | Jul 04 14:02 |
| Librarian | I gave very specific reasons why I believe you're a psychopath. I have presented my evidence. | Jul 04 14:02 |
| Librarian | It has nothing to do with me liking you or not liking you. | Jul 04 14:02 |
| immibis | you gave literally no reasons | Jul 04 14:03 |
| Librarian | It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." | Jul 04 14:03 |
| Librarian | It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." | Jul 04 14:03 |
| Librarian | It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." | Jul 04 14:03 |
| Librarian | It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." | Jul 04 14:03 |
| Librarian | It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." | Jul 04 14:03 |
| Librarian | It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." | Jul 04 14:03 |
| schestowitz | immibis: he complains about invalid things | Jul 04 14:03 |
| Librarian | Would you like me to give my reasons a few more times? | Jul 04 14:03 |
| immibis | not answering questions doesn't make someone a psychopath. LMFAO | Jul 04 14:03 |
| schestowitz | he was being abusive to someone, who then asked for action | Jul 04 14:03 |
| Librarian | It depends on the content of the question, and its answers. | Jul 04 14:04 |
| immibis | in fact, not answering ONE question doesn't make someone a psychopath. LMFFAO | Jul 04 14:04 |
| schestowitz | he was then muted for a while and things cooled down | Jul 04 14:04 |
| Librarian | That's why I craft my questions very carefully. | Jul 04 14:04 |
| schestowitz | only him and the Google troll | Jul 04 14:04 |
| Librarian | It's to detect psychopaths. And I have detected your psychopathy. | Jul 04 14:04 |
| schestowitz | he, unlike the Google troll, did not seek to undermine the site | Jul 04 14:04 |
| schestowitz | but I regret that he rubbed some people the wrong way | Jul 04 14:04 |
| Librarian | I don't make up accusations at random. I provide clear evidence. | Jul 04 14:04 |
| immibis | Explain why it is not an imposition by force, when you use force to impose on me that I can't take your TV | Jul 04 14:05 |
| Librarian | I will paste it ten times, so you canot miss it. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. | Jul 04 14:06 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | Now, let me ask you the question back, to make sure you were able to see and read my answer: | Jul 04 14:07 |
| Librarian | Why is it my choice, who gets to benefit from my TV? | Jul 04 14:07 |
| immibis | because you're the one who possesses the TV | Jul 04 14:08 |
| immibis | To say anyone other than the possessor can make that choice, implies a forceful imposition | Jul 04 14:08 |
| Librarian | But to say anyone other than the *earner* can make that choice, is also a forceful imposition. | Jul 04 14:10 |
| Librarian | So that's why the person who earned it with their labor, gets that choice. | Jul 04 14:10 |
| Librarian | I can buy a TV with the results of my labor, and then give it to someone as a gift. They get to possess it because I consented to their possession of it, as the earner. | Jul 04 14:11 |
| Librarian | So earning something by choosing to labor for it is not a forceful imposition. | Jul 04 14:11 |
| Librarian | That's why I copied and pasted my answer over and over again, so you couldn't miss it. I said: | Jul 04 14:11 |
| Librarian | 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:11 |
| immibis | Not quite. The fact that the possessor can move or destroy the thing is dictated by the laws of physics. | Jul 04 14:11 |
| Librarian | 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:11 |
| Librarian | 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:11 |
| Librarian | 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:11 |
| Librarian | 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:11 |
| Librarian | 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:11 |
| Librarian | 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:12 |
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| Librarian | 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:12 |
| immibis | Any other rule requires a forceful imposition that is unphysical | Jul 04 14:12 |
| Librarian | 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. | Jul 04 14:12 |
| Librarian | Did you catch my answer that ime? | Jul 04 14:12 |
| immibis | Repeating things (like a psychopath) doesn't make them more relevant. | Jul 04 14:12 |
| Librarian | No, repeating things is not a symptom of psychopathy. | Jul 04 14:12 |
| Librarian | Making up new definitions of words to justify your behavior is. | Jul 04 14:12 |
| immibis | If the laws of physics allow me to do something, but you will shoot me if I do it, then you are making a forceful imposition on me. Is this a valid axiom? | Jul 04 14:12 |
| Librarian | No. There are also basic laws of ethics as well. | Jul 04 14:13 |
| Librarian | They are created by conscious beings just for the purpose of ensuring no one has to make forceful impositions. | Jul 04 14:13 |
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| Librarian | If you follow them, no forceful impositions are necessary. | Jul 04 14:13 |
| Librarian | If you break them, forceful impositions are now necessary. | Jul 04 14:13 |
| Librarian | Here is one such list, starting with rule 1: http://craftyserpent.com/?page_id=8 | Jul 04 14:14 |
| immibis | created by conscious beings, you say. Which conscious beings created them? | Jul 04 14:16 |
| immibis | specifically, which conscious beING? | Jul 04 14:16 |
| Librarian | Everyone who desires to live peacefully with others. | Jul 04 14:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Hiring for Brains, Not for Hairs | Techrights | Jul 04 14:18 | |
| Librarian | That explanation was under rule #0, in the link I provided to you. If you had read it, it would have been unnecessary for you to ask me that question. | Jul 04 14:19 |
| immibis | If I have to follow some rules under threat of force, that's a forceful imposition | Jul 04 14:25 |
| techrights-news | Uber-aggressive #patenttroll #Sisvel weaponised by "107 patents for the LTE standard." https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/game-over-in-sisvel-and-xiaomis-global-sep-dispute/ the public pays for this aggression (hidden toll) | Jul 04 14:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Game over in Sisvel and Xiaomi's global SEP dispute - JUVE Patent | Jul 04 14:27 | |
| Librarian | But if they will only be enforced back on you if you do them to others, then you have nothing to worry about. (See rule #3 on the link I gave you.) | Jul 04 14:27 |
| immibis | Librarian: it works like this: I exist. The laws of physics exist. If I can't do something, but the laws of physics say I can, that's a forceful imposition by someone or something. | Jul 04 14:27 |
| Librarian | It's just like the Christians who say, "but without a god telling us not to, why wouldn't we all be mass-murderers?" | Jul 04 14:27 |
| immibis | The laws of physics say I can take your TV | Jul 04 14:27 |
| Librarian | That's how we know they're psychopaths. Because 99% of us don't *want* to be mass murderers. | Jul 04 14:27 |
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| Librarian | Similarly, 99% of us don't *want* to dictate to others whom we should be laboring for. | Jul 04 14:28 |
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| Librarian | If you do, then you would have to "impose by force" *your* will on somebody else first. | Jul 04 14:28 |
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| Librarian | And that's not "freedom," much less "total freedom." | Jul 04 14:29 |
| Librarian | That's called "enslavement." | Jul 04 14:29 |
| immibis | If people choose not to be mass murderers, that's a free choce. If people *can't* be mass murderers, that's a forceful imposition. See the difference? | Jul 04 14:30 |
| immibis | choice* | Jul 04 14:30 |
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| Librarian | What's the name of the mental illness in which you failed to recognize that "choosing to be a mass murderer" is itself a forceful imposition? :D | Jul 04 14:31 |
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| immibis | we again result to name-calling | Jul 04 14:33 |
| Librarian | No we don't. Stop making up pure fictions. | Jul 04 14:33 |
| Librarian | You really, honestly did fail to recognize that "choosing to be a mass murderer" is itself an imposition of force. | Jul 04 14:33 |
| Librarian | And that's a mental illness, whose name you appear now to be terrified to state. | Jul 04 14:34 |
| Librarian | It apparently causes you intense, possibly even physically-painful cognitive dissonance. | Jul 04 14:34 |
| immibis | What's the name of the mental illness in which you failed to recognize that all possible outcomes involve impositions of force? | Jul 04 14:35 |
| Librarian | "Truthfulness." And that's not a mental illness. It is entirely possible (and a very commonly-practiced) outcome to leave others alone, except for consensual interactions. | Jul 04 14:36 |
| techrights-news | " #Motrix can handle up to 10 active downloads at once, and it can also accelerate download speeds by splitting the files into multiple parts, making it faster than downloading through a regular web browser." #gnu #linux https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202107/page04.html | Jul 04 14:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com | PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 4 | Jul 04 14:37 | |
| Librarian | Most people go to work every day, earn some money, spend it at stores, pay their rent, enjoy time with their family, participate in recreation, and enjoy their lives without ever forcefully imposing their will on others. | Jul 04 14:37 |
| Librarian | You could have known that your mass-murderer "choice" was itself an imposition of force by reading rule 1.1.1. on the link I gave you. | Jul 04 14:37 |
| immibis | failing to recognize true facts is called truthfulenss? | Jul 04 14:37 |
| immibis | weird | Jul 04 14:37 |
| Librarian | Here it is directly: http://craftyserpent.com/?page_id=8#rule1.1.1 | Jul 04 14:38 |
| Librarian | You don't say true facts. You make up falsehoods instead. | Jul 04 14:38 |
| Librarian | You've proven that to us over and over again. | Jul 04 14:38 |
| Librarian | If you want to say you're sorry for that now, we can start to rebuild your credibility. | Jul 04 14:38 |
| Librarian | But until then, you're going to have to provide dictionary definitions, wikipedia articles, lists of ethical constratints, etc. as evidence of your opinion as I have done. | Jul 04 14:39 |
| Librarian | Your mere assertions will always be taken as lies, because you have never done so, as I have. | Jul 04 14:39 |
| Librarian | s/contratints/constraints/ | Jul 04 14:39 |
| techrights-news | The Dangerous Liaisons Of Big Tech Companies https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202107/page02.html #microsoft #china #oracle #evil #oppression | Jul 04 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com | PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 2 | Jul 04 14:39 | |
| immibis | Can you admit that me mass murdering people is my free choice (while imposing on others) and me being prevented from mass murdering is an imposition on me? | Jul 04 14:39 |
| Librarian | It is, by definition, an imposition of force. | Jul 04 14:40 |
| Librarian | Murdering people is forcefully imposing on others. | Jul 04 14:41 |
| Librarian | Can you repeat that back to me, so I can be sure you understand that simple, basic fact? | Jul 04 14:41 |
| immibis | Good, so you agree with the second part. Do you also agree with the first and third parts or would that be too much cognitive dissonance for you? | Jul 04 14:41 |
| immibis | you can't agree because dissonance, can't disagree because they're true, so you remain silent | Jul 04 14:42 |
| Librarian | It's not cognitive dissonance if it's straight deference to https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force definition 3. | Jul 04 14:43 |
| Librarian | I have now cited the dictionary to support the idea that murder is, itself, an imposition of force. | Jul 04 14:43 |
| Librarian | Now, there were slave-owners in the American south in the 1850s who insisted that their imposition of force on the labor of others was their "freedom." | Jul 04 14:44 |
| Librarian | Do you remember what happened to them? | Jul 04 14:44 |
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| techrights-news | " #FreeNode is considered the IRC home to numerous FOSS projects, including #PCLinuxOS ." https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202107/page08.html | Jul 04 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com | PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 8 | Jul 04 14:46 | |
| Librarian | Also see: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom definitions 1a and 1b | Jul 04 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | weirdos | Jul 04 14:47 |
| immibis | why are you trying to disprove that murder is an imposition of force? I never claimed otherwise | Jul 04 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | What are those numerous FOSS projects? | Jul 04 14:47 |
| immibis | to prove, rather | Jul 04 14:47 |
| techrights-news | tl;dr: Because of the clowns who ran #FreeNode into the ground #PCLinuxOS left #IRC altogether | Jul 04 14:48 |
| Librarian | Hahahaha... I don't believe that was a typo on your part. :D | Jul 04 14:48 |
| immibis | these irrelevant tangents are a symptom of psychosis | Jul 04 14:48 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: read the article | Jul 04 14:48 |
| Librarian | You have too often attempted to reverse the meanings of words in that way. | Jul 04 14:48 |
| schestowitz | not just the opening para | Jul 04 14:48 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I ended reading it at exactly the moment when they talk about leaving %) | Jul 04 14:48 |
| Librarian | But, you go ahead and wage your war against Merriam-Webster, to get them to remove definition 1a from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom | Jul 04 14:49 |
| Librarian | When you are successful in your campaign, perhaps we will have more to discuss. | Jul 04 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The summary is full of inaccuracies. | Jul 04 14:50 |
| Librarian | Until then, your insistence that coercion == freedom will be taken as a symptom of your mental illness. | Jul 04 14:50 |
| immibis | don't believe I claimed anything contrary to definition 1a. Maybe you should stop tilting at windmills and start actually arguing | Jul 04 14:50 |
| schestowitz | I want to write about freenode this month | Jul 04 14:50 |
| schestowitz | but it might run afoul of being on the 'free zone' that's today's freenode | Jul 04 14:50 |
| schestowitz | walking on eggshells | Jul 04 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | XMPP MUCs are less flexible when it comes to channel management, as MinceR rightfully pointed out before. | Jul 04 14:50 |
| Librarian | But what you need to know in the meantime is that... 99% of people who do not suffer from your mental illness do not waste their time attempting to register disagreement with https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom definition 1a. | Jul 04 14:50 |
| immibis | in fact, definition 1a explicitly says that if I am constrained to not be a mass murderer, then I do not have freedom | Jul 04 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | ChanServ is a non-user-friendly but powerful tool. | Jul 04 14:51 |
| schestowitz | at work we used jabber this way | Jul 04 14:51 |
| schestowitz | it was noticeably inferior to IRC | Jul 04 14:51 |
| schestowitz | not just because you needed to manually set up accounts for people | Jul 04 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I used pidgin | Jul 04 14:51 |
| schestowitz | [18:29] <techrights-news> the three taps of doom • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152990 #irc #slack #ptsd | Jul 04 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | the three taps of doom | Tux Machines | Jul 04 14:52 | |
| XRevan86 | Accounts and S2S are pretty good stuff though. | Jul 04 14:52 |
| Librarian | Wrong. It doesn't differentiate between who's being coerced or who's doing the coercion. | Jul 04 14:52 |
| XRevan86 | That's how XMPP MUCs manage to stay way more decentralised than IRC. | Jul 04 14:52 |
| Librarian | Coercion != freedom. You just invented that; it isn't stated in the definition. | Jul 04 14:52 |
| schestowitz | That's ar1d1ne using irc for shit ("Slack") access before they cut off the bridges | Jul 04 14:52 |
| Librarian | You made it up off the top of your head. | Jul 04 14:52 |
| Librarian | You created it as a pure fiction. | Jul 04 14:52 |
| immibis | You make no sense here | Jul 04 14:52 |
| Librarian | Go complain to merriam-webster then. | Jul 04 14:52 |
| Librarian | I'm just citing them, as they attempt to represent how the word is most commonly used. | Jul 04 14:53 |
| immibis | Indeed coercion != freedom. If I am being coerced, I do not have freedom. | Jul 04 14:53 |
| Librarian | And if you are *doing* the coercion, then you are not practicing freedom. | Jul 04 14:54 |
| Librarian | That's the opposite of freedom. | Jul 04 14:54 |
| XRevan86 | > It's more secure, even if just for the fact that it requires users to have an account, which means that users have had some sort of vetting just to be able to connect. | Jul 04 14:54 |
| Librarian | But, I'm open to evidence. Show me your dictionaries that say that it is. | Jul 04 14:54 |
| XRevan86 | The only actual vetting this implies is having a domain name. | Jul 04 14:55 |
| immibis | Who said "practicing" freedom? If I am able to do the coercion, then I *have* the freedom to do the coercion | Jul 04 14:55 |
| Librarian | That's using the term exactly the opposite of how most people mean it. | Jul 04 14:55 |
| XRevan86 | Which is already something, I agree. But it's not as strong a measure as +r on IRC. | Jul 04 14:55 |
| Librarian | But, I'm open to evidence. Show me your dictionaries that say that practicing coercion fits the definition of freedom. | Jul 04 14:56 |
| immibis | So in your made-up fairy world, totalitarian socialist dictators are not free? | Jul 04 14:56 |
| Librarian | Nah, this real world, right here, right now. Show me your evidence. | Jul 04 14:56 |
| XRevan86 | > As you might imagine, the Libera Chat folks have been slammed with requests, and now have a backlog of new channel requests. | Jul 04 14:57 |
| immibis | Totalitarian socialist dictators are not free? Chairman Mao was not free? | Jul 04 14:57 |
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| Librarian | Hey man, languages change, right? Definitions shift over time, right? So surely there are dozens of sources out there you could cite, to illustrate that most people use "freedom" to mean violent coercion. | Jul 04 14:57 |
| Librarian | Go ahead; cite them now! | Jul 04 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | Even though they have a backlog, they're very accomodating and would have helped to get the op status much sooner. | Jul 04 14:57 |
| techrights-news | #Russia adopts #law that shakes #Cognac and #Champagne importers http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/07/russia-adopts-law-that-shakes-cognac.html | Jul 04 14:58 |
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| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | Only Russian Champagne can be called Champagne now. | Jul 04 14:59 |
| Librarian | Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." | Jul 04 14:59 |
| XRevan86 | Champagne Champagne is no longer Champagne. | Jul 04 14:59 |
| Librarian | That's a symptom of psychopathy. If it were a common usage, you would have cited your sources that say so. | Jul 04 14:59 |
| Librarian | But you didn't, because the only people who share your usage of the word "freedom" are the 1% who suffer from psychopathy. | Jul 04 14:59 |
| Librarian | But, I'm open to evidence! You're welcome to share it, still. | Jul 04 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | All non-Russian ones are now obligated to be called sparkling wine. | Jul 04 15:00 |
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| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 15:01 |
| immibis | here, I'll say it 10 times | Jul 04 15:02 |
| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 15:02 |
| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 15:02 |
| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 15:02 |
| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 15:02 |
| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 15:02 |
| XRevan86 | Moet Hennessy said that they're not going to rebrand as sparkling wine and will just stop exporting to Russia. | Jul 04 15:02 |
| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 15:02 |
| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 15:02 |
| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 15:02 |
| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 15:02 |
| immibis | your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person | Jul 04 15:02 |
| Librarian | And, what did I say when you said that the first time? | Jul 04 15:02 |
| Librarian | Were you able to read it? | Jul 04 15:02 |
| Librarian | Or do you lack that ability? | Jul 04 15:02 |
| Librarian | Here it is again: | Jul 04 15:02 |
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| Librarian | 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." | Jul 04 15:02 |
| Librarian | So, I addressed that already. | Jul 04 15:03 |
| XRevan86 | And of course the link contains all of that information already. | Jul 04 15:03 |
| Librarian | Did that frustrate you? | Jul 04 15:03 |
| Librarian | Did it make you feel sad, that I was already able to refute that? | Jul 04 15:03 |
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| Librarian | Did it make you feel angry? | Jul 04 15:03 |
| Librarian | Did it make you feel many other symptoms of cognitive dissonance? | Jul 04 15:03 |
| immibis | so what? 99% of the population don't apply the word "software" to the Linux kernel | Jul 04 15:03 |
| Librarian | That's obviously false. Everyone I know knows the difference between software and hardware. | Jul 04 15:04 |
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| immibis | do you know 99% of the population? | Jul 04 15:04 |
| Librarian | I would challenge you to show evidence, but we both know you can't provide any. | Jul 04 15:04 |
| Librarian | You don't support any of your assertions with evidence. :D | Jul 04 15:04 |
| immibis | do you know 99% of the population? | Jul 04 15:05 |
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| Librarian | I know that 99% of the population doesn't suffer from your psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:05 |
| Librarian | I have seen studies about the frequency of psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:05 |
| immibis | do you know 99% of the population? | Jul 04 15:05 |
| Librarian | Yes, I know some facts about 99% of the population. | Jul 04 15:06 |
| Librarian | https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00984/full | Jul 04 15:06 |
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| immibis | do you know 99% of the population? | Jul 04 15:06 |
| Librarian | The prevalence of psychopathy is estimated at about 1% in the general population (Neumann and Hare, 2008; Coid et al., 2009a) | Jul 04 15:06 |
| Librarian | Yes, I know some facts about 99% of the population. | Jul 04 15:06 |
| Librarian | The prevalence of psychopathy is estimated at about 1% in the general population (Neumann and Hare, 2008; Coid et al., 2009a) | Jul 04 15:06 |
| immibis | so you do not know 99% of the population? so you lied? | Jul 04 15:06 |
| Librarian | I know the facts about 99% of the population that I cited. | Jul 04 15:07 |
| immibis | The fact that you refuse to answer the question means you do not know 99% of the population. | Jul 04 15:07 |
| Librarian | I know them to the extent that I provided evidence. | Jul 04 15:07 |
| immibis | Here, let me send the question again in case you forgot. | Jul 04 15:07 |
| immibis | do you know 99% of the population? | Jul 04 15:07 |
| Librarian | How much evidence did you cite to support your assertion? | Jul 04 15:07 |
| Librarian | Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. | Jul 04 15:07 |
| immibis | How many times are you going to avoid directly answering the question? | Jul 04 15:07 |
| immibis | Ah! A direct answer! A "yes"! | Jul 04 15:07 |
| Librarian | Never. I have answered it. | Jul 04 15:08 |
| immibis | So you do know 99% of the population | Jul 04 15:08 |
| Librarian | Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. | Jul 04 15:08 |
| immibis | Can you tell me Joseph Isabel's phone number? | Jul 04 15:08 |
| immibis | or is he part of the 1%? | Jul 04 15:08 |
| Librarian | No; it was not listed in the evidence I cited. | Jul 04 15:08 |
| Librarian | 08:08 < Librarian> Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. | Jul 04 15:08 |
| immibis | So you don't know Joseph Isabel? | Jul 04 15:08 |
| Librarian | Now then: 08:07 < Librarian> How much evidence did you cite to support your assertion? | Jul 04 15:09 |
| immibis | So you don't know Joseph Isabel? | Jul 04 15:09 |
| Librarian | 08:08 < Librarian> Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. | Jul 04 15:09 |
| immibis | You do know him, to the extent that you provided supporting evidence? | Jul 04 15:09 |
| Librarian | 08:08 < Librarian> Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. | Jul 04 15:09 |
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| immibis | Linux is hardware, to the extent that I provided supporting evidence. | Jul 04 15:09 |
| immibis | It's a useless statement. | Jul 04 15:10 |
| Librarian | Right: you never provide supporting evidence of anything you believe, ever. | Jul 04 15:10 |
| immibis | Is it a "yes" or a "no"? | Jul 04 15:10 |
| Librarian | So everything you ever assert can be dismissed as wrong. | Jul 04 15:10 |
| Librarian | Because you've been caught lying, over and over again. | Jul 04 15:10 |
| Librarian | This is concisely summed up as "Hitchens's Razor." | Jul 04 15:10 |
| immibis | Is it a "yes" or a "no"? | Jul 04 15:10 |
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| Librarian | You define "knowing someone" as "having their phone number memorized." | Jul 04 15:11 |
| immibis | No, I do not. | Jul 04 15:11 |
| immibis | Is it a "yes" or a "no"? | Jul 04 15:11 |
| Librarian | Does anyone share your definition, or did you just make it up as a distraction due to your intense cognitive dissonance? | Jul 04 15:11 |
| immibis | Is it a "yes" or a "no"? | Jul 04 15:11 |
| Librarian | Then, why did you ask me that? | Jul 04 15:11 |
| immibis | Is it a "yes" or a "no"? | Jul 04 15:11 |
| Librarian | Is what a "yes" or a "no?" The sentence you wrote before you started asking me that ended with a period. It was a statement of assertion. | Jul 04 15:12 |
| Librarian | 08:10 < immibis> It's a useless statement. | Jul 04 15:12 |
| immibis | Do you know 99% of the population? "Yes" or "no"? | Jul 04 15:12 |
| Librarian | 08:10 < immibis> Is it a "yes" or a "no"? | Jul 04 15:12 |
| Librarian | 08:08 < Librarian> Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. | Jul 04 15:12 |
| immibis | Is that a "yes, but"? | Jul 04 15:12 |
| immibis | Is "Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence." a "yes" or a "no"? | Jul 04 15:13 |
| Librarian | "Knowing" someone is a very vague question. I answered by giving the *exact extent* to which the answer was yes, in order to overcome the vagueness of your question. | Jul 04 15:13 |
| immibis | Is "Yes, to an extent" a "yes" or a "no"? | Jul 04 15:13 |
| immibis | Is Linux hardware? "Yes, to an extent" | Jul 04 15:13 |
| Librarian | You then attempted to narrow the scope by providing just one data point: memorizing their phone numbers. | Jul 04 15:13 |
| immibis | Is "Yes, to an extent" a "yes" or a "no"? | Jul 04 15:14 |
| Librarian | To *what* extent is Linux considered "hardware?" | Jul 04 15:14 |
| Librarian | I gave exactly the extent. You have omitted that part in your attempt to parody my answer back to me. | Jul 04 15:14 |
| Librarian | That's because you don't know what extent; cannot provide any evidence of the extent. | Jul 04 15:14 |
| immibis | https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know definition b2. Do you know 99% of the population? Yes or no? | Jul 04 15:14 |
| immibis | 1b2 | Jul 04 15:15 |
| immibis | definition 3 would also suffice | Jul 04 15:15 |
| Librarian | Yes, I am "acquainted or familiar with" their chances of suffering from your psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:15 |
| immibis | That wasn't the question. | Jul 04 15:16 |
| Librarian | Because I have seen (and cited) such evidence of their probability. | Jul 04 15:16 |
| immibis | Do you know 99% of the population? | Jul 04 15:16 |
| Librarian | Yes, I am "acquainted or familiar with" their chances of suffering from your psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:16 |
| immibis | I did not ask "Do you know the chance of suffering from psychopathy of 99% of the population?" | Jul 04 15:16 |
| Librarian | So I do know that aspect about them, yes. | Jul 04 15:16 |
| immibis | I did ask "Do you know 99% of the population?" | Jul 04 15:16 |
| Librarian | Right; you purposefully kept it vague because you are using it as a distraction. | Jul 04 15:16 |
| immibis | You are attempting to lie in a most obvious way and you think I am stupid enough to not see it. | Jul 04 15:16 |
| immibis | Do you know 99% of the population? | Jul 04 15:16 |
| Librarian | I am giving a very precise answer and the evidence by which I arrived at it. | Jul 04 15:17 |
| immibis | So you do not know 99% of the population? | Jul 04 15:17 |
| Librarian | If you would like to ask, "do you know the phone numbers of 99% of the population," then the answer to that is "no." | Jul 04 15:17 |
| Librarian | But that isn't what we were discussing. | Jul 04 15:17 |
| immibis | So you do not know 99% of the population? | Jul 04 15:17 |
| Librarian | So you are intentionally avoiding saying that, because you don't want your distraction to end. | Jul 04 15:17 |
| immibis | I'm waiting for you to give a "yes" or "no" answer to a "yes" or "no" question. | Jul 04 15:18 |
| Librarian | I do not know the phone numbers of 99% of the population, but I do know their probability of suffering from the same psychopathy as you. | Jul 04 15:18 |
| immibis | YOU are intentionally avoiding saying "yes" or "no" because YOU don't want YOUR distraction to end. | Jul 04 15:18 |
| Librarian | So it depends which aspect you are asking about. | Jul 04 15:18 |
| Librarian | Are you asking about their phone numbers, or are you asking about their probability of suffering from psychopathy? | Jul 04 15:18 |
| immibis | I'm waiting for you to give a "yes" or "no" answer to a "yes" or "no" question. | Jul 04 15:18 |
| immibis | I'm asking whether you know them. | Jul 04 15:18 |
| immibis | If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you probably don't. | Jul 04 15:19 |
| Librarian | I do not know the phone numbers of 99% of the population, but I do know their probability of suffering from the same psychopathy as you. | Jul 04 15:19 |
| Librarian | So that's a "no" to the phone numbers, but a "yes" to their chances of suffering from the same psychopathy as you. | Jul 04 15:19 |
| immibis | If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you probably don't. | Jul 04 15:19 |
| Librarian | It depends what aspect about them you are questioning whether I "know." | Jul 04 15:19 |
| Librarian | But you don't want to be that precise, because you're scared. | Jul 04 15:20 |
| immibis | If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you probably don't. | Jul 04 15:20 |
| immibis | https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know | Jul 04 15:20 |
| immibis | the dictionary documents the most common usage of those terms that way. If you don't like it, maybe you can write a sternly-worded letter to Merriam-Webster and get them to change their minds | Jul 04 15:20 |
| Librarian | Right, and you won't specify which aspect of them you are asking about. | Jul 04 15:20 |
| immibis | If you don't like it, maybe you can write a sternly-worded letter to Merriam-Webster and get them to change their minds | Jul 04 15:20 |
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| Librarian | This is because youre cognitve dissonace prevents you from thinkiung precisely, so you can ask precise questions. | Jul 04 15:21 |
| immibis | If you don't like it, maybe you can write a sternly-worded letter to Merriam-Webster and get them to change their minds | Jul 04 15:21 |
| Librarian | Grrr, lag.... t | Jul 04 15:21 |
| Librarian | This is because your cognitive dissonance prevents you from thinking precisely, so you can ask precise questions. | Jul 04 15:21 |
| immibis | If you don't like it, maybe you can write a sternly-worded letter to Merriam-Webster and get them to change their minds | Jul 04 15:21 |
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| Librarian | I have no disagreement with Merriam-Webster on this. | Jul 04 15:21 |
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| Librarian | If you decide which of the many aspects that make up a person, you can ask a more precise question, and I will be able to answer in accordance with Merriam-Webster's definition. | Jul 04 15:22 |
| Librarian | The failing is yours, not theirs. | Jul 04 15:22 |
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| Librarian | So I'm asking you: are you asking about people's phone numbers, or about the probability of sharing your failing of psychopathy? | Jul 04 15:22 |
| Librarian | But you won't do that, because what's more important to you right now is that you're feeling like a failure. | Jul 04 15:23 |
| Librarian | You're feeling dejected, because you cannot defend the greed and violence that infests your psychopathic mind. | Jul 04 15:23 |
| Librarian | You don't have any refutation for any of the links I've provided, so you're frustrated and angry. | Jul 04 15:23 |
| Librarian | You cannot provide evidence for your preferred definitions of words. | Jul 04 15:24 |
| immibis | You seem to disagree on the vague meaning of "know". I suggest you take it up with Merriam-Webster and get them to change their minds. | Jul 04 15:24 |
| immibis | If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you probably don't. | Jul 04 15:24 |
| Librarian | Not at all. I don't disagree with them; you just invented that. | Jul 04 15:24 |
| Librarian | Because you make up such pure fictions as a fucking liar. | Jul 04 15:24 |
| Librarian | That is a symptom of your psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:24 |
| immibis | Do you always project this well? I could have a home cinema. | Jul 04 15:25 |
| Librarian | I offer it as continued evidence of my assessment of you. | Jul 04 15:25 |
| immibis | I think you always project this well. Reliable as clockwork | Jul 04 15:25 |
| Librarian | Not at all; I have provided evidence of my assertions. | Jul 04 15:25 |
| Librarian | It's not "projection" if I'm providing evidence to back up what I say, but you don't. | Jul 04 15:25 |
| Librarian | When I am able to provide such evidence, it means that the things I say would continue to be true, even if I weren't here to say them to you. | Jul 04 15:26 |
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| immibis | If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you probably don't. | Jul 04 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: Champagne is a town in Russian Federation after all | Jul 04 15:26 |
| Librarian | Yeah, but that's a pointless question, because you won't narrow down which of many aspects of a person you're talking about, when you ask if I "know" them. | Jul 04 15:26 |
| Librarian | It isn't "knowing" them that's in any way controversial. It's the question of *which of many human aspects* I know. | Jul 04 15:27 |
| Librarian | For example: I don't "know" their phone numbers, but I do "know" their probability of suffering from psychopathy like you do. | Jul 04 15:27 |
| immibis | Do you know your parents? | Jul 04 15:27 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Putin agrees | Jul 04 15:27 |
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| Librarian | I don't know their phone numbers, no. (It's saved in my phone, among other places.) | Jul 04 15:27 |
| Librarian | But I do know their probability of suffering from psychopathy as you do, yes. | Jul 04 15:28 |
| Librarian | So that's "no" for one aspect of their humanity, and "yes" for a different aspect of their humanity. | Jul 04 15:28 |
| Librarian | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from narrowing down which aspect you're asking about. | Jul 04 15:28 |
| Librarian | That's "cognitive dissonance." | Jul 04 15:28 |
| Librarian | Well, enjoy your cognitive dissonace today! You go on feeling afraid and frustrated and mad, and I'm going to do something productive. | Jul 04 15:29 |
| immibis | Do you know your parents? | Jul 04 15:29 |
| Librarian | 08:27 < Librarian> I don't know their phone numbers, no. (It's saved in my phone, among other places.) | Jul 04 15:30 |
| Librarian | 08:28 < Librarian> But I do know their probability of suffering from psychopathy as you do, yes. | Jul 04 15:30 |
| Librarian | 08:28 < Librarian> So that's "no" for one aspect of their humanity, and "yes" for a different aspect of their humanity. | Jul 04 15:30 |
| Librarian | 08:28 < Librarian> Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from narrowing down which aspect you're asking about. | Jul 04 15:30 |
| Librarian | 08:28 < Librarian> That's "cognitive dissonance." | Jul 04 15:30 |
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| immibis | Librarian: Do you know your parents? Yes or no. | Jul 04 15:32 |
| Librarian | 08:27 < Librarian> I don't know their phone numbers, no. (It's saved in my phone, among other places.) | Jul 04 15:32 |
| Librarian | 08:28 < Librarian> But I do know their probability of suffering from psychopathy as you do, yes. | Jul 04 15:32 |
| Librarian | 08:28 < Librarian> So that's "no" for one aspect of their humanity, and "yes" for a different aspect of their humanity. | Jul 04 15:32 |
| Librarian | 08:28 < Librarian> Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from narrowing down which aspect you're asking about. | Jul 04 15:32 |
| Librarian | 08:28 < Librarian> That's "cognitive dissonance." | Jul 04 15:32 |
| immibis | Librarian: I didn't ask if you knew their phone numbers. You are lying to manipulate me. | Jul 04 15:33 |
| immibis | Librarian: Do you know your parents? Yes or no. | Jul 04 15:33 |
| Librarian | 08:32 < Librarian> 08:28 < Librarian> So that's "no" for one aspect of their humanity, and "yes" for a different aspect of their humanity. | Jul 04 15:33 |
| Librarian | 08:32 < Librarian> 08:28 < Librarian> Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from narrowing down which aspect you're asking about. | Jul 04 15:33 |
| Librarian | 08:32 < Librarian> 08:28 < Librarian> That's "cognitive dissonance." | Jul 04 15:33 |
| immibis | Librarian: I didn't ask if you knew their phone numbers. Do you know your parents? | Jul 04 15:34 |
| Librarian | Right, but you won't say which aspect you *are* asking about. | Jul 04 15:34 |
| immibis | Librarian: Do you know anyone? | Jul 04 15:34 |
| Librarian | That's because you're suffering from extreme cognitive dissonance right now. | Jul 04 15:34 |
| Librarian | Right, but you won't say which aspect you *are* asking about. | Jul 04 15:34 |
| Librarian | That's because you're suffering from extreme cognitive dissonance right now. | Jul 04 15:34 |
| immibis | When I ask "is Linux software or hardware" do I need to specify which aspects of software and hardware I am asking about? | Jul 04 15:35 |
| Librarian | The topic of "knowing" people came up because I cited evidence that 99% of the population *does not* suffer from psychopathy as you do. | Jul 04 15:35 |
| Librarian | Not for 99% of people, because 99% of people don't suffer from your desire to change the definitions of words as a symptom of their psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:36 |
| immibis | No, you cited that 99% of the population say Linux is software, because everyone you know would say Linux is software. | Jul 04 15:36 |
| Librarian | There are indeed 1% of you who do that, so you will need to be very precise with your words for your fellow 1%. | Jul 04 15:36 |
| immibis | You can only claim that if you know 99% of the population. | Jul 04 15:36 |
| immibis | Your name-calling accusations of mental illness are completely irrelevant, I'm afraid. | Jul 04 15:36 |
| Librarian | Right, and the specific aspect I would need to know is, "do they suffer from psychopathy as you do?" | Jul 04 15:36 |
| immibis | Does that tell you whether someone would say Linux was software? | Jul 04 15:37 |
| Librarian | And the answer to that is yes, I do know the probability of their suffering from your psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:37 |
| immibis | psychopath -> Linux == hardware. Not psychopath -> Linux == software. Is that the principle being applied here? | Jul 04 15:37 |
| Librarian | Yes, because non-psychopaths don't try to redefine words to justify their psychopathic greed and violence. | Jul 04 15:37 |
| Librarian | Only you and your fellow 1% of psychopathy sufferers do that. | Jul 04 15:37 |
| immibis | I recommend that you take a flight to the middle of communist China, and find a random person on the road in rural bumfuck nowhere, and ask them whether Linux is software. | Jul 04 15:38 |
| Librarian | So they can tell me they don't know what those words mean? | Jul 04 15:38 |
| Librarian | That's what most people who don't know the definitions of words mean. | Jul 04 15:38 |
| immibis | precisely. Except they will tell you it in Chinese. And they will probably just tell you to fuck off. In Chinese. | Jul 04 15:38 |
| Librarian | Were you completely unaware that non-psychopaths will honestly just tell you that they don't know something? :D | Jul 04 15:38 |
| immibis | Does that constitute a statement that Linux is software? | Jul 04 15:39 |
| Librarian | It's only you psychopaths who will just *make it up* at random when they don't know something. | Jul 04 15:39 |
| immibis | "I don't know what those words mean" == "Yes" according to your diseased mind | Jul 04 15:39 |
| Librarian | Not at all. You just made that up at random. | Jul 04 15:39 |
| Librarian | That was a symptom of your psychopathy, right there, that invention of that outright lie that you just performed. | Jul 04 15:40 |
| immibis | Librarian: You are telling me that 99% of the population will say "Linux is software". Now you are telling me that most of the population will say "I don't know what those words mean". Therefore "I don't know what those words mean" == "Linux is software". QED | Jul 04 15:40 |
| Librarian | No, I'm not conflating those two. I'm pointing out that neither of those responses constitute "linux is hardware." | Jul 04 15:41 |
| immibis | What is the relevant? You claim that 99% of the population will say "Linux is softawre" | Jul 04 15:41 |
| immibis | relevance* software* | Jul 04 15:42 |
| Librarian | Not at all. I'm pointing out htat neither of those responses constitute "linux is hardware." | Jul 04 15:42 |
| Librarian | It would require your psychopathy to justify saying that. | Jul 04 15:42 |
| immibis | What is the relevance? You claim that 99% of the population will say "Linux is software" | Jul 04 15:42 |
| Librarian | Not at all. I'm pointing out htat neither of those responses constitute "linux is hardware." It would require your psychopathy to justify saying that. | Jul 04 15:42 |
| immibis | Don't try to backtrack and hide your previous claim. | Jul 04 15:43 |
| immibis | You claim that 99% of the population will say "Linux is software" | Jul 04 15:43 |
| MinceR | 04 160211 < XRevan86> Moet Hennessy said that they're not going to rebrand as sparkling wine and will just stop exporting to Russia. | Jul 04 15:43 |
| MinceR | the correct response | Jul 04 15:43 |
| immibis | You claimED that 99% of the population will say "Linux is software" | Jul 04 15:43 |
| immibis | Are you now claiming that is false? | Jul 04 15:43 |
| MinceR | this is what the IT industry should have done to red china too, when they started their industrial espionage campaign | Jul 04 15:43 |
| immibis | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from responding. That's "cognitive dissonance." | Jul 04 15:44 |
| Librarian | I just scrolled up and can't find anywhere I said that 99% of the population will say "Linux is software." | Jul 04 15:45 |
| Librarian | So, it looks to me like that's just another example of your pathological lying. | Jul 04 15:46 |
| Librarian | Which, again, is a symptom of your psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:46 |
| Librarian | QED. | Jul 04 15:46 |
| immibis | <immibis> so what? 99% of the population don't apply the word "software" to the Linux kernel | Jul 04 15:46 |
| immibis | <Librarian> That's obviously false. Everyone I know knows the difference between software and hardware. | Jul 04 15:46 |
| immibis | <immibis> do you know 99% of the population? | Jul 04 15:46 |
| Librarian | Oh, were you trying to say there that 99% of people don't know? | Jul 04 15:47 |
| Librarian | Because the point I was making was that 99% of people won't say it's hardware. | Jul 04 15:47 |
| Librarian | Because 99% of people don't suffer from your psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:47 |
| immibis | 99% of the population don't apply the word "software" to the Linux kernel | Jul 04 15:47 |
| immibis | Agree or disagree? | Jul 04 15:47 |
| Librarian | Answer my question first: were you trying to say that 99% of people don't know? Because the point I was making was that 99% of people won't say it's hardware, because 99% of people don't suffer from your psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:48 |
| immibis | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from responding. That's "cognitive dissonance." | Jul 04 15:48 |
| Librarian | I will answer your question if you make your question more precise. | Jul 04 15:48 |
| Librarian | Answer my question first: were you trying to say that 99% of people don't know? Because the point I was making was that 99% of people won't say it's hardware, because 99% of people don't suffer from your psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:48 |
| immibis | 99% of the population don't apply the word "software" to the Linux kernel. Agree or disagree with this statement? | Jul 04 15:48 |
| Librarian | Answer my question first: were you trying to say that 99% of people don't know? Because the point I was making was that 99% of people won't say it's hardware, because 99% of people don't suffer from your psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:48 |
| immibis | Why should I answer your question when your question is only intended as a distraction from answering my question? | Jul 04 15:48 |
| Librarian | I will answer your question if you make your question more precise. | Jul 04 15:48 |
| XRevan86 | Well, the branding is not a static thing, and so I don't think they'll actually have troubles, especially with premium wine enthusiasts. | Jul 04 15:49 |
| immibis | My question is just as precise as your question which preceded it using the same wording. | Jul 04 15:49 |
| immibis | Are you saying your question was imprecise? | Jul 04 15:49 |
| Librarian | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from asking a question precise enough that it can be answered precisely. | Jul 04 15:49 |
| immibis | Or rather, your statement | Jul 04 15:49 |
| immibis | Are you saying your own statement was imprecise? | Jul 04 15:49 |
| Librarian | That is a symptom of your cognitive dissonance. | Jul 04 15:49 |
| immibis | Are you saying your own statement was so imprecise that you can neither agree nor disagree with it? | Jul 04 15:49 |
| Librarian | Yes. My statement was imprecise because your question was imprecise. | Jul 04 15:49 |
| Librarian | Now, if you're not terrified, please make it more precise. | Jul 04 15:50 |
| immibis | <Librarian> 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." | Jul 04 15:50 |
| Librarian | Answer my question first: were you trying to say that 99% of people don't know? Because the point I was making was that 99% of people won't say it's hardware, because 99% of people don't suffer from your psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:50 |
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| immibis | <Librarian> 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." | Jul 04 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | Also in Russian the noun (formed from an adjective) for the wine differs from the name of the place, so they can just emphasise the latter pretty easily. | Jul 04 15:50 |
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| immibis | Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: <Librarian> 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." | Jul 04 15:51 |
| Librarian | You're invited, once again, to show evidence if I'm wrong. | Jul 04 15:51 |
| immibis | Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: <Librarian> 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." | Jul 04 15:51 |
| Librarian | Cite the dictionaries that *do* include compulsion, coercion, and violence in their defintions of "freedom." | Jul 04 15:51 |
| immibis | Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: <Librarian> 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." | Jul 04 15:51 |
| Librarian | Yes, of course I agree with it, because you haven't shown any evidence of dictionaries that *do* include compulsion, coercion, and violence in their definition of "freedom." | Jul 04 15:52 |
| Librarian | I already said that several times. | Jul 04 15:52 |
| immibis | So obviously that statement is clear enough for you. | Jul 04 15:53 |
| Librarian | Yes; you have provided no evidence to the contrary. Despite being asked to, several times. | Jul 04 15:53 |
| immibis | So why is this very similar statement unclear? "To neither operating system do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "software."" | Jul 04 15:54 |
| immibis | Is the statement clear, or not? | Jul 04 15:54 |
| Librarian | No. It is not clear. What does "neither operating system" mean? | Jul 04 15:54 |
| Librarian | That looks like word salad to me. | Jul 04 15:54 |
| immibis | Windows or Linux | Jul 04 15:54 |
| XRevan86 | but of course if they are to make an adjective again, then it will quickly become a problem, which is pretty hilarious | Jul 04 15:54 |
| Librarian | But neither of us was talking about Windows either, so that's still unclear. | Jul 04 15:55 |
| immibis | What is unclear about the statement? Its purpose? | Jul 04 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | It means they can say "sparkling wine from Champagne" but not "Champagne sparkling wine". | Jul 04 15:55 |
| Librarian | I guess we should just chalk this one up to your shitty communication skills? | Jul 04 15:55 |
| Librarian | Is there a dictionary that defines "software" in such a way that excludes Windows or Linux? | Jul 04 15:56 |
| immibis | What is unclear about the statement? Its purpose? | Jul 04 15:56 |
| immibis | Are you only capable of understanding statements which you believe to be true? For example, is "the sky is green" incomprehensible gibberish to you? | Jul 04 15:57 |
| Librarian | No. I understand it to be a symptom of psychopathy. | Jul 04 15:57 |
| immibis | You understand the sentence "the sky is green"? | Jul 04 15:57 |
| Librarian | "Pathological lying is listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, although only as a symptom of other disorders such as psychopathy and antisocial, narcissistic, and histrionic personality disorders." | Jul 04 15:58 |
| immibis | You understand the sentence "the sky is green"? | Jul 04 15:58 |
| Librarian | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_lying | Jul 04 15:58 |
| immibis | You understand the sentence "the sky is green"? | Jul 04 15:58 |
| Librarian | I understand it to be a symptom of psychopathy, yes. | Jul 04 15:58 |
| immibis | But you understand it? It is not unclear? | Jul 04 15:58 |
| Librarian | 08:58 < Librarian> I understand it to be a symptom of psychopathy, yes. | Jul 04 15:59 |
| immibis | But you understand it? It is not unclear? | Jul 04 15:59 |
| Librarian | 08:58 < Librarian> I understand it to be a symptom of psychopathy, yes. | Jul 04 15:59 |
| immibis | Here we see this "yes, but" pathological syndrome. You cannot answer "yes" or "no" because both answers make you angry and frustrated. So you avoid providing a clear answer. | Jul 04 15:59 |
| immibis | You understand it? It is not unclear? | Jul 04 16:00 |
| Librarian | What do you suppose it indicates, that I have to copy-and-paste my own responses to you over and over again, because you are incapable of reading them? | Jul 04 16:00 |
| immibis | It indicates you think that repetition makes an answer more correct. | Jul 04 16:00 |
| immibis | or relevant. | Jul 04 16:00 |
| Librarian | Not at all. | Jul 04 16:00 |
| immibis | "What colour is the sky?" "It is sky-coloured." is not an answer | Jul 04 16:00 |
| Librarian | You just made that up. It is a pathological lie. | Jul 04 16:00 |
| immibis | You understand the sentence "the sky is green"? | Jul 04 16:00 |
| Librarian | It is not necessary for you to repeat yourself to me; only for me to repeat myself to you. | Jul 04 16:00 |
| immibis | "rules for thee, not for me" | Jul 04 16:01 |
| Librarian | What did I say last time you asked that? | Jul 04 16:01 |
| immibis | Librarian: You gave an irrelevant non-answer. I hope you will try harder this time. | Jul 04 16:01 |
| Librarian | That's because you're a pathological liar, so you often put words into my mouth that I did not say, and I have to repeat what I had already said earlier to correct you. | Jul 04 16:01 |
| immibis | "Do you understand X?" "I understand that you're an idiot." is not an answer. | Jul 04 16:01 |
| Librarian | If you stop being a pathological liar, as a symptom of your psychopathy, there will be no need for me to repeat myself back to you. | Jul 04 16:01 |
| Librarian | I have never said that. | Jul 04 16:02 |
| immibis | I mean, I understand that you're an idiot with a pea-sized brain, but I don't find myself needing to squeeze it into every answer | Jul 04 16:02 |
| MinceR | rich wine enthusiasts can just import their Moet Hennessy | Jul 04 16:02 |
| Librarian | You just invented that, because you're a pathological liar, as a symptom of your psychopathy. | Jul 04 16:02 |
| MinceR | and it can be a reminder to them what a bunch of assholes their government is | Jul 04 16:02 |
| immibis | Are you capable of comprehending the meaning of the sentence "the sky is green"? | Jul 04 16:02 |
| Librarian | Asked and answered. Your failure to read my answer is a symptom of your cognitive dissonace. | Jul 04 16:03 |
| Librarian | *dissonance. | Jul 04 16:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They're not going to store it in Russia though, so they're not the ones I had in mind. | Jul 04 16:03 |
| immibis | Not answered. Your failure to answer is a symptom of your cognitive dissonance and your desire to distract me. | Jul 04 16:03 |
| Librarian | 08:59 < Librarian> 08:58 < Librarian> I understand it to be a symptom of psychopathy, yes. | Jul 04 16:03 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know anything about wines, so I don't really know who's the market here. | Jul 04 16:03 |
| immibis | Not answered. Your failure to answer is a symptom of your cognitive dissonance and your desire to distract me. | Jul 04 16:03 |
| MinceR | snobs | Jul 04 16:03 |
| Librarian | There's me copying-and-pasting my answer to you, to show that I have not only answered it, but repeated the answer at your repeated questioning. | Jul 04 16:04 |
| immibis | An answer consists of exactly one word, which is either "yes" or "no" | Jul 04 16:04 |
| immibis | Not answered. Your failure to answer is a symptom of your cognitive dissonance and your desire to distract me. | Jul 04 16:04 |
| MinceR | it might even make the product more appealing to them, as it will be more difficult to obtain in putinistan | Jul 04 16:04 |
| immibis | Are you capable of comprehending the meaning of the sentence "the sky is green"? | Jul 04 16:04 |
| immibis | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from responding. That's "cognitive dissonance." | Jul 04 16:05 |
| Librarian | Your insistence that I have not answered, after I have already written "I understand it ot be a symptom of psychopathy, yes," is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion o f you is true and correct. | Jul 04 16:06 |
| Librarian | Your insistence that I have not answered, after I have already written "I understand it ot be a symptom of psychopathy, yes," is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion of you is true and correct. | Jul 04 16:06 |
| immibis | Is that answer "yes" or "no"? | Jul 04 16:07 |
| immibis | Your answer is not clear. | Jul 04 16:07 |
| Librarian | Sorry to hear that. Have you sought out remedial reading instruction from a professional? | Jul 04 16:07 |
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| Librarian | I mean, it literally says one of those two things right in the answer I've given multiple times, in quotation marks. :D | Jul 04 16:08 |
| immibis | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. | Jul 04 16:08 |
| Librarian | No, that's a symptom of your inability to read. | Jul 04 16:08 |
| immibis | Here we see this "yes, but" pathological syndrome. You cannot answer "yes" or "no" because both answers make you angry and frustrated. So you avoid providing a clear answer. | Jul 04 16:08 |
| Librarian | No, it doesn't say "yes, but" anywhere in there. | Jul 04 16:08 |
| immibis | You say "yes, but <some dumb rant that makes it unclear whether you actually meant 'yes'>" | Jul 04 16:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not as good as Gelendzhik wines of course. | Jul 04 16:08 |
| Librarian | No, it doesn't say "yes, but" anywhere in there. | Jul 04 16:08 |
| immibis | You're right. This answer was a "<something irrelevant>, yes" | Jul 04 16:09 |
| immibis | "Is the sky green?" "It is a colour with a higher wavelength than red, yes." | Jul 04 16:09 |
| immibis | lower* wavelength | Jul 04 16:09 |
| MinceR | are those the ones made near the khuilo's new palace complex? | Jul 04 16:09 |
| Librarian | Your insistence that I said something I did not say is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion of you is true and correct. | Jul 04 16:09 |
| immibis | "Is the sky green?" "It is a colour with a lower wavelength than red, yes." | Jul 04 16:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yes :) | Jul 04 16:09 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 04 16:09 |
| Librarian | Your insistence that I said something I did not say is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion of you is true and correct. | Jul 04 16:09 |
| immibis | Now answer clearly. "Yes" or "No" | Jul 04 16:09 |
| XRevan86 | There are certain… ties. | Jul 04 16:10 |
| immibis | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. | Jul 04 16:10 |
| Librarian | Your repetition that I provide an answer I have already answered is your fear, your frustration, and your anger that are symptoms of your cognitive dissonance. | Jul 04 16:10 |
| immibis | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. | Jul 04 16:10 |
| Librarian | Except, I did. You're just a pathological liar, is all. | Jul 04 16:10 |
| immibis | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. | Jul 04 16:11 |
| Librarian | Except, I did. You're just a pathological liar, is all. | Jul 04 16:11 |
| immibis | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. | Jul 04 16:11 |
| Librarian | Except, I did. You're just a pathological liar, is all. | Jul 04 16:11 |
| immibis | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. | Jul 04 16:11 |
| Librarian | Except, I did. You're just a pathological liar, is all. | Jul 04 16:11 |
| immibis | Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. | Jul 04 16:11 |
| Librarian | Except, I did. You're just a pathological liar, is all. | Jul 04 16:11 |
| immibis | "Is the sky green?" "It is a colour with a lower wavelength than red, yes." | Jul 04 16:11 |
| Librarian | Your insistence that I said something I did not say is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion of you is true and correct. | Jul 04 16:12 |
| immibis | "Is the sky green?" "It is a colour with a lower wavelength than red, yes." | Jul 04 16:12 |
| Librarian | Your insistence that I said something I did not say is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion of you is true and correct. | Jul 04 16:12 |
| immibis | ask me a yes or no question | Jul 04 16:12 |
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| Librarian | Aww, did you suddenly get tired of providing more evidence that you are a pathological liar? | Jul 04 16:13 |
| Librarian | Come on; I know you have more psychopathy in there! Put some more words in my mouth. | Jul 04 16:13 |
| Librarian | Make more straw-man fallacies! :D | Jul 04 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | Has Audacity been forked already? | Jul 04 16:13 |
| immibis | ask me a yes or no question | Jul 04 16:14 |
| Librarian | Come on; we both know you haven't conquered your mental illness that quickly and easily. | Jul 04 16:14 |
| immibis | oh you did | Jul 04 16:14 |
| immibis | Librarian: Tired of you spouting the weak lies that are the best your pea-brain can come up with, yes. | Jul 04 16:14 |
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| Librarian | Well, I'm sure if any of them were "weak lies" you would have provided evidence of some sort. | Jul 04 16:14 |
| Librarian | But, you haven't, so that answers that for us. | Jul 04 16:15 |
| Librarian | I can cite dictionaries that support the definitions I use, all day, every day, while you never do. | Jul 04 16:15 |
| immibis | You're not even gonna insist on an answer? Weak. | Jul 04 16:15 |
| immibis | "Tired of you spouting the weak lies that are the best your pea-brain can come up with, yes." is not an answer to that question. | Jul 04 16:15 |
| immibis | Of course you can't spare the neurons to recognize that fac.t | Jul 04 16:15 |
| Librarian | Okay, have fun continuing to do... whatever the heck it is you think you're doing... *instead of* citing any evidence to support your assertions. | Jul 04 16:16 |
| immibis | You're not even gonna insist on an answer? Weak. | Jul 04 16:17 |
| immibis | merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know | Jul 04 16:17 |
| Librarian | You did answer it. I saw you say the word "yes" along with your explanation. | Jul 04 16:17 |
| immibis | https://merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know | Jul 04 16:17 |
| Librarian | Your explanation was factually incorrect, so I know that your "yes" has no value. | Jul 04 16:18 |
| immibis | If you aren't capable of comprehending why that isn't an answer, then you might need to go back to primary school for a bit. | Jul 04 16:18 |
| Librarian | But you did answer. You said "yes," and also demonstrated that the value of your answer is zero, due to your incorrect explantion. | Jul 04 16:18 |
| Librarian | *explanation. | Jul 04 16:18 |
| Librarian | I appreciate it when you both answer straightforwardly, and give the logic by which you arrived at it, especially when your explanation shows that your logic is faulty. | Jul 04 16:19 |
| immibis | A value of zero, meaning it doesn't answer anything? "Potato" also has an answer value of zero. You are saying that my answer answers the question just as much as the word "potato" does | Jul 04 16:19 |
| Librarian | I take you at your word when you provide your thought process to me. | Jul 04 16:20 |
| immibis | So, applying that logic to your previous answers, you do know 99% of the population? | Jul 04 16:21 |
| immibis | And, you are capable of understanding the sentence "To neither Windows nor Linux do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "software."" | Jul 04 16:21 |
| immibis | That sentence is sufficient clear. | Jul 04 16:22 |
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| Librarian | 08:19 < Librarian> I do not know the phone numbers of 99% of the population, | Jul 04 16:23 |
| Librarian | but I do know their probability of suffering from the same | Jul 04 16:23 |
| Librarian | psychopathy as you. | Jul 04 16:23 |
| Librarian | 08:19 < Librarian> So that's a "no" to the phone numbers, but a "yes" to their | Jul 04 16:23 |
| Librarian | chances of suffering from the same psychopathy as you. | Jul 04 16:23 |
| Librarian | 08:19 < immibis> If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you | Jul 04 16:23 |
| Librarian | probably don't. | Jul 04 16:23 |
| Librarian | 08:19 < Librarian> It depends what aspect about them you are questioning | Jul 04 16:23 |
| Librarian | whether I "know." | Jul 04 16:23 |
| Librarian | 08:20 < Librarian> But you don't want to be that precise, because you're scared. | Jul 04 16:23 |
| Librarian | Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. | Jul 04 16:24 |
| immibis | So you are capable of understanding the sentence "To neither Windows nor Linux do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "software."" | Jul 04 16:24 |
| Librarian | Just be aware that every instance in which you do so, only further supports the conclusion that you are a pathological liar as a symptom of your psychopathy. | Jul 04 16:24 |
| immibis | So you are capable of understanding the sentence "To Linux do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) not apply the word "software."" | Jul 04 16:24 |
| immibis | So you are capable of understanding the sentence "99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) don't apply the word "software" to Linux" | Jul 04 16:24 |
| immibis | So you are capable of understanding the sentence "99% of the population don't apply the word "software" to Linux" | Jul 04 16:24 |
| Librarian | Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. | Jul 04 16:25 |
| immibis | Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. | Jul 04 16:25 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: sort of | Jul 04 16:25 |
| schestowitz | softly | Jul 04 16:25 |
| schestowitz | sort fork | Jul 04 16:25 |
| schestowitz | I think mulesource or mule group | Jul 04 16:25 |
| Librarian | Thank you for that further evidence. | Jul 04 16:25 |
| schestowitz | is being extra careful | Jul 04 16:25 |
| schestowitz | unlike freenode under leeL0de | Jul 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | to avoid such a fork having justification | Jul 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | first telemetry | Jul 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | then the CLA issue | Jul 04 16:26 |
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| immibis | Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. | Jul 04 16:27 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I keep thinking back to that interview, because l0de said it was satirical, so I can't tell if what rasengan said there were his honest opinions. Were they? Or weren't they? | Jul 04 16:28 |
| Librarian | And when we step away from the cycle of proving that immibis, like all greedy, violent socialists who are not already peacefully practicing their ideals on a kibbutz, are psychopaths... | Jul 04 16:28 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: they just say that | Jul 04 16:29 |
| Librarian | We find that Audacity still looks like it's ripe for forking: | Jul 04 16:29 |
| Librarian | https://www.audacityteam.org/about/desktop-privacy-notice/ | Jul 04 16:29 |
| immibis | Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. | Jul 04 16:29 |
| Librarian | Hope a different organization picks up its maintenance. | Jul 04 16:29 |
| schestowitz | so they can still push "nigger" into YouTube and justify that using the "humour" label | Jul 04 16:29 |
| immibis | Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. | Jul 04 16:29 |
| schestowitz | it's a tactic | Jul 04 16:29 |
| XRevan86 | though, the way he was speaking, they sounded sincerely. | Jul 04 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Lee was not treating it like satire | Jul 04 16:29 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: he said similar things to me in person | Jul 04 16:30 |
| techrights-news | "What Personal Data does #Audacity collect and why?" Oh, dear... here we go. https://www.audacityteam.org/about/desktop-privacy-notice/ | Jul 04 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.audacityteam.org | Desktop Privacy Notice | Audacity ® | Jul 04 16:31 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: From the way they were talking, I can believe that l0de thought this jokes, but rasengan didn't. | Jul 04 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | * this is jokes | Jul 04 16:32 |
| techrights-news | #patent maximalists (the #litigation profiteers in search of #patents on EVERYTHING): "Patent law is replete with arcane (and often judge-made) doctrines, such as the doctrine of equivalence and obviousness-type double patenting." https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/minerva-surgical-inc-v-hologic-inc-2021.html | Jul 04 16:33 |
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| XRevan86 | Pretty bad insensitive jokes, but this gap between them probably did exist. | Jul 04 16:34 |
| l0de/fn | xrevan86 - both parties were aware it was a joke | Jul 04 16:34 |
| l0de/fn | I'm astounded there's anyone who can't see that | Jul 04 16:34 |
| schestowitz | what was a joke? | Jul 04 16:34 |
| l0de/fn | The program is in the comedy section of youtube, my twitter is explicitly flagged as satirical | Jul 04 16:35 |
| l0de/fn | the entire interview | Jul 04 16:35 |
| l0de/fn | a joke that apparently missed you, since you wrote a serious article about it | Jul 04 16:35 |
| schestowitz | no, he said what he meant to say | Jul 04 16:35 |
| XRevan86 | l0de: Thing is, rasengan has expressed himself like that not only there, not only to schestowitz, but also to Ariаdnе. | Jul 04 16:35 |
| l0de/fn | (which I'm still lolling at) | Jul 04 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | it was damaging, but it was not a joke | Jul 04 16:35 |
| l0de/fn | Let's analyze this | Jul 04 16:36 |
| l0de/fn | which of us is in a better position to know if it was a joke | Jul 04 16:36 |
| l0de/fn | the professional comedian who was in the interview | Jul 04 16:36 |
| l0de/fn | or a third party | Jul 04 16:36 |
| immibis | Librarian: why have you not picked up audacity's maintenance? | Jul 04 16:36 |
| schestowitz | are you a "professional comedian"? | Jul 04 16:36 |
| l0de/fn | Ya, my show pays my rent | Jul 04 16:37 |
| schestowitz | is it comedy? | Jul 04 16:37 |
| l0de/fn | I have been a professional comedian in the IRS's eyes for 5+ years | Jul 04 16:37 |
| l0de/fn | It's a comedy program | Jul 04 16:37 |
| XRevan86 | l0de: There is context outside of the interview. | Jul 04 16:37 |
| l0de/fn | Right, context which as an op on that network | Jul 04 16:37 |
| l0de/fn | I have significantly more of | Jul 04 16:37 |
| l0de/fn | You can insist it's a joke forever if you want, but you look foolish in my eyes | Jul 04 16:38 |
| l0de/fn | or rather, it's not a joke | Jul 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <rasengan[llf]> The reason they went after him was because of the pizzagate leaks. | Jul 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <rasengan[llf]> (which are all real) | Jul 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <schestowitz> among others | Jul 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <schestowitz> podestaemails are full of stuff that I wrote a lot about | Jul 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <rasengan[llf]> !! absolutely. | Jul 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <rasengan[llf]> I'm glad you did this. I got epstein.pizza, podesta.pizza, and clinton.pizza to do the same... but I guess I don't have to lol | Jul 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <schestowitz> but those things get taken over by nuts | Jul 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <schestowitz> which then discourage participation | Jul 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <rasengan[llf]> Well, I wouldn't call them nuts. They're reacting to what they're seeing... | Jul 04 16:38 |
| *schestowitz looks up domain records | Jul 04 16:38 | |
| XRevan86 | l0de: https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1405384677511380997 what's this? | Jul 04 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: andrew must be doing more lines tonight: <root> FOSS is INCLUSION! FOSS is FREEDOM! FOSS is DIFFERENT OPINIONS! FO… https://t.co/yZxfWp2XSt | Jul 04 16:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: andrew must be doing more lines tonight: <root> FOSS is INCLUSION! FOSS is FREEDOM! FOSS is DIFFERENT OPINIONS! FO… https://t.co/yZxfWp2XSt | Jul 04 16:39 | |
| l0de/fn | That's him having fun on irc | Jul 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Podesta.pizza | Jul 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz | 1,702 days old | Jul 04 16:39 |
| l0de/fn | that's why he bought freenode | Jul 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Created on 2016-11-05 | Jul 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Expires on 2021-11-05 | Jul 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Tech ContactREDACTED FOR PRIVACY (DT) | Jul 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz | REDACTED FOR PRIVACY | Jul 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz | REDACTED FOR PRIVACY, | Jul 04 16:39 |
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| l0de/fn | Pizzagate was an EXCELLENT trolling opportunity that we all capitalized on | Jul 04 16:40 |
| schestowitz | (ref https://whois.domaintools.com/podesta.pizza ) | Jul 04 16:40 |
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| l0de/fn | because there was definitely something suspect in those emails | Jul 04 16:41 |
| l0de/fn | and it made everyone uncomfortable | Jul 04 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | l0de: That's not even why he said he bought freenode. | Jul 04 16:41 |
| l0de/fn | but it is WHY he bought freenode | Jul 04 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | l0de: He was saying that Christel asked him for help and he was happy to help. | Jul 04 16:41 |
| l0de/fn | This is a guy who you swear up and down is crazy, dishonest, etc | Jul 04 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | giving back to the community with money | Jul 04 16:41 |
| l0de/fn | but you take him at his word for everything? | Jul 04 16:41 |
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| l0de/fn | to an outsider the bias is very apparent | Jul 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | You contradict yourself: [16:41] <l0de/fn> because there was definitely something suspect in those emails | Jul 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | it cannot be humour and at the same time this | Jul 04 16:42 |
| XRevan86 | l0de: What are we assuming here? That he is full of shit or that he is an innocent jokester? | Jul 04 16:42 |
| schestowitz | you're trying to weasel out of it | Jul 04 16:42 |
| schestowitz | or, as you'd put it, he bought freenode just to troll it | Jul 04 16:42 |
| schestowitz | which is contradicted by what he told me | Jul 04 16:42 |
| l0de/fn | xrevan that his primary motivation is diversion and having a good time | Jul 04 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | nope | Jul 04 16:43 |
| l0de/fn | If he can make money off of it or advance his agenda, that's just a bonus | Jul 04 16:43 |
| XRevan86 | 25m ago: Moët Hennessy will resume export to Russia as sparkling wine. | Jul 04 16:43 |
| schestowitz | he wanted freenode to bring userbase to irc.com stuff | Jul 04 16:43 |
| l0de/fn | but he's a creature of whim | Jul 04 16:43 |
| schestowitz | and it failed on him | Jul 04 16:43 |
| XRevan86 | That's a reasonable decision from them, the brand will win over this terminology bullshit and they'll still make a profit. | Jul 04 16:43 |
| XRevan86 | l0de: I think ye are projecting on him. | Jul 04 16:43 |
| l0de/fn | Right so he took exactly the actions that would generate the most controversy and fun and undermined that goal? | Jul 04 16:44 |
| l0de/fn | If you look at him in the lens of someone toying with the situation, his actions make sense | Jul 04 16:44 |
| l0de/fn | if you look at them through the lens of a serious person pursuing a goal, they do not | Jul 04 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | l0de: In May rasengan was extremely reserved and public relations-y, even too much. | Jul 04 16:44 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <rasengan[llf]> The rest of us are meh. Even me, it's funny that people are like 'ahh lee is rich rich rich' but its like... yeah sure, im richer than the average, but i dont think they understand whats going on in the world. I'm like definitely at the bottom of any rich list if I'm even on one. :P | Jul 04 16:44 |
| schestowitz | the interview had "king of overdraft" | Jul 04 16:45 |
| schestowitz | he was not joking | Jul 04 16:45 |
| schestowitz | he's in debt | Jul 04 16:45 |
| schestowitz | and that bodes well for long-term sustainability of freenode.net operations | Jul 04 16:45 |
| l0de/fn | IMO | Jul 04 16:45 |
| l0de/fn | it's RDS | Jul 04 16:45 |
| XRevan86 | l0de: And this lense is projecting. What he has done didn't display an intention to have fun. | Jul 04 16:45 |
| l0de/fn | I'm telling you he's having a blast | Jul 04 16:46 |
| l0de/fn | and so am I | Jul 04 16:46 |
| schestowitz | "have fun" = screw up | Jul 04 16:46 |
| l0de/fn | this was some of the most fun any of us have had on IRC in years | Jul 04 16:46 |
| schestowitz | "I was just havin' fun" = I losy | Jul 04 16:46 |
| schestowitz | *lost | Jul 04 16:46 |
| schestowitz | [16:46] <l0de/fn> I'm telling you he's having a blast | Jul 04 16:46 |
| schestowitz | he's not | Jul 04 16:46 |
| schestowitz | he was put down by the whole thing | Jul 04 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | l0de: Maybe after the backlash he gave up and decided to embrace the insanity, but before that he definitely did not. | Jul 04 16:47 |
| l0de/fn | Oh, who talks with him | Jul 04 16:47 |
| CrystalMath | Andrew Lee was still a victim of cancel culture that is very real, unfortunately | Jul 04 16:47 |
| l0de/fn | you or me | Jul 04 16:47 |
| l0de/fn | lol | Jul 04 16:47 |
| l0de/fn | Honestly, it makes it even more fun that you can't get it | Jul 04 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: In what bloody way? | Jul 04 16:47 |
| l0de/fn | I think our views can just never align on this issue, and that's ok | Jul 04 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Because people thought he'll wreck freenode? | Jul 04 16:48 |
| XRevan86 | well he bloody fucking did, didn't he? | Jul 04 16:48 |
| l0de/fn | and it was GLORIOUS | Jul 04 16:48 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: no, the stuff the old staff said, and how blindly they were followed before people ever heard a single word from Lee | Jul 04 16:48 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: They had an interaction with rasengan, don't ye know. | Jul 04 16:48 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Ye think it all came about in one night? | Jul 04 16:49 |
| schestowitz | took weeks | Jul 04 16:49 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: like at least 10,000 did the switch on the first day | Jul 04 16:49 |
| CrystalMath | after hearing only one side | Jul 04 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: They heard the side they trusted and just figured "welp, those were the people we trusted, if they say so, they have better judgement" | Jul 04 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: And better judgement they did have. So who is wrong? | Jul 04 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | who got cancelled here? | Jul 04 16:51 |
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| CrystalMath | XRevan86: no, they didn't; these were the staff that closed ##poliitics-uncensored, and ##truth | Jul 04 16:51 |
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| techrights-news | FOSS Patents: What if a #patent injunction impairs the well-being of convertible drivers? German appellate judge raises questions regarding public interest and proportionality ⚓ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/what-if-patent-injunction-impairs-well.html ䷉ #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest | Jul 04 16:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jul 04 16:52 | |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I have a guess that FOSS projects' experiences involve very little thought about ##poliitics-uncensored and ##truth | Jul 04 16:52 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <CrystalMath> XRevan86: no, they didn't; these were the staff that closed ##poliitics-uncensored, and ##truth | Jul 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | freenode is for free software | Jul 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | it's not so open-ended | Jul 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | which makes sense to me | Jul 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | they had resources donated to them | Jul 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | and volunteers | Jul 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | mostly for the purpose of advancing free sw | Jul 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | politics can be done in the 'luls' IRC networks | Jul 04 16:53 |
| XRevan86 | And rasengan wrecked the place for the FOSS projects. So the FOSS projects that did follow the call were the ones that received the least damage. | Jul 04 16:54 |
| CrystalMath | the ones that stayed and stood up to cancel culture also fared well | Jul 04 16:54 |
| CrystalMath | such as Hyperbola | Jul 04 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | those that decided to stay on freenode to wait it out, those were screwed badly | Jul 04 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | like PCLinuxOS | Jul 04 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | they just went to XMPP | Jul 04 16:55 |
| immibis | https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fractally%20wrong | Jul 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Hyperbola would have an issue with a 2/3 decline in user access | Jul 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz | as many people left | Jul 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz | for us, the SOLE gain was finally moving to self-hosted as we had already wanted or planned last autumn | Jul 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz | for gemini:// we also self-host from home now | Jul 04 16:56 |
| schestowitz | with backups done locally | Jul 04 16:56 |
| schestowitz | gemini pages are very small, so doable for standard ISPs | Jul 04 16:56 |
| schestowitz | we try to convince many more people and projects to do the same | Jul 04 16:56 |
| CrystalMath | techrights has some pretty unique requirements though | Jul 04 16:57 |
| *XRevan86 looks around the Hyperbola website | Jul 04 16:57 | |
| XRevan86 | I have an idea why they didn't move: they appear to be not very alive. | Jul 04 16:57 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: because there are many components | Jul 04 16:57 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: they are very alive | Jul 04 16:57 |
| schestowitz | they ar | Jul 04 16:57 |
| CrystalMath | work is done on it every day, i'm following their work | Jul 04 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | No new announcements on the website, no new mailing list entries. | Jul 04 16:58 |
| CrystalMath | they do say things on IRC | Jul 04 16:58 |
| CrystalMath | HyperbolaBSD is being developed | Jul 04 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I wouldn't be surprised if they simply have no one to make the decision. | Jul 04 16:58 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: actually that is false, on their IRC channel i see most people who are pro-freenode | Jul 04 16:59 |
| CrystalMath | so they are explicitly pro-freenode | Jul 04 16:59 |
| CrystalMath | Hyperbola is strangely always on the right side | Jul 04 16:59 |
| CrystalMath | i'm quite amazed by them, really | Jul 04 16:59 |
| CrystalMath | how they reject systemd | Jul 04 16:59 |
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| XRevan86 | https://netsplit.de/channels/?chat=hyperbola | Jul 04 16:59 |
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| XRevan86 | I see they're having fun. | Jul 04 17:00 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: 25 people on line | Jul 04 17:00 |
| schestowitz | freenode/hyperbola | Jul 04 17:00 |
| schestowitz | techrights 51 in freenode | Jul 04 17:00 |
| schestowitz | 41 here, 31 in LC | Jul 04 17:01 |
| schestowitz | 123 users total, inc. dupes | Jul 04 17:01 |
| blitzed | No Agenda Show PODcast just went live; http://listen.noagendastream.com/noagenda.pls | Jul 04 17:01 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▃▄▇▆▇▅▁▃▆▆▃▄▅▅▂▇▅▂▇▃▇▇▃▂▄▃▁▇▅▆▇▅▁ avg(k/sec) 24.73 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▁▂▂▂▁█▂▂▃▅▁█▂▂█▂▁▃▂▁█▂██▂▁▂▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 56.08▕ swarm size (avg): 306.85 ⟲ | Jul 04 17:01 |
| gustaf | before all this stuff went down I'd never heard of Hyperbola | Jul 04 17:01 |
| schestowitz | they're a thing | Jul 04 17:01 |
| CrystalMath | Hyperbola is amazing, they actually care about software being simple, well-written, and stuff | Jul 04 17:02 |
| schestowitz | we covered them many times in techrights | Jul 04 17:02 |
| gustaf | it kinda amazes me it seems to be a split from something called Parabola | Jul 04 17:02 |
| CrystalMath | they're not at all like the rest of FLOSS | Jul 04 17:02 |
| CrystalMath | which is sad, i wish the rest of FLOSS was like that too | Jul 04 17:02 |
| gustaf | I'm getting flashbacks to leftist group splits | Jul 04 17:02 |
| gustaf | or protestant churches for that matter | Jul 04 17:02 |
| blitzed | I've been off freenode and oftc for long long time, tried again months back but ugh :/ | Jul 04 17:02 |
| gustaf | CrystalMath: so like Suckless? | Jul 04 17:02 |
| CrystalMath | yes | Jul 04 17:02 |
| gustaf | Suckless at least have some engagement | Jul 04 17:02 |
| schestowitz | techrights-ipfs-bot and techrights-news are suckless | Jul 04 17:03 |
| gustaf | their "leader" is active on lobste.rs | Jul 04 17:03 |
| blitzed | I suspect silicon valley megacorps may be partly behind the libera crap, or copycat it | Jul 04 17:03 |
| schestowitz | "leader" | Jul 04 17:03 |
| CrystalMath | gustaf: i was told they don't have a leader | Jul 04 17:03 |
| gustaf | hence he quootes | Jul 04 17:03 |
| gustaf | *the quotes | Jul 04 17:03 |
| schestowitz | "show me to your leader!!" | Jul 04 17:03 |
| gustaf | spokesperson | Jul 04 17:03 |
| gustaf | FRIGN | Jul 04 17:03 |
| blitzed | they want to nudge all the slaves back onto their centralized social platforms, Discord n junk | Jul 04 17:03 |
| Librarian | Because I don't have enough time. I've got too many other projects. | Jul 04 17:03 |
| CrystalMath | blitzed: and their controlled IRC networks | Jul 04 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | freenode was already centralised | Jul 04 17:04 |
| schestowitz | same for LC | Jul 04 17:04 |
| CrystalMath | such as liberal.crap | Jul 04 17:04 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yea, just noticed that the user count is pretty similiar in those two channels. And the lack of direction could be the reason for the choice of which one is official. | Jul 04 17:04 |
| gustaf | ofc a big part of Suckless is hating GNU | Jul 04 17:04 |
| schestowitz | over 50k = DEFINITELY centralised | Jul 04 17:04 |
| gustaf | sad! | Jul 04 17:04 |
| schestowitz | IBM hates it more | Jul 04 17:04 |
| blitzed | there is a big flood of spam on some IRC servers, unsolicited pm's for porn or even allegedly pedo stuff | Jul 04 17:04 |
| schestowitz | and IBM is in everything now, even debian | Jul 04 17:05 |
| gustaf | l0de celebrating the destruction of a 90k IRC network "for the lulz" is the ultimate in nihilism | Jul 04 17:05 |
| schestowitz | not limited to systemd and soon wayland | Jul 04 17:05 |
| blitzed | yeah some IRC servers/nets have been toxic tyranny for many years | Jul 04 17:05 |
| schestowitz | that's a revisionism around the fate of freenode | Jul 04 17:06 |
| CrystalMath | gustaf: honestly i'm glad that no network is 90k anymore; every IRC network, as IRC is designed today, is doomed to be an oligarchy, and that's why we need to have as many as possible, so that people can at least choose their masters | Jul 04 17:06 |
| schestowitz | the goal was not to seek revenge | Jul 04 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | https://wiki.parabola.nu/IRC_Channels https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Main/IRC_channels | Jul 04 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.parabola.nu | IRC Channels - ParabolaWiki | Jul 04 17:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.artixlinux.org | Wiki | Main / IRC channels | Jul 04 17:06 | |
| schestowitz | but to sway the users from one thing to another thing | Jul 04 17:06 |
| schestowitz | like irc.com and "app" | Jul 04 17:06 |
| blitzed | I thought RedHat was largely responsible for ramming systemd down most Linux distros' throats | Jul 04 17:06 |
| bradchaus | does anyone have any idea why an operating system would have a requirement of 64GB storage for minimum system requirement? | Jul 04 17:06 |
| blitzed | jeeez | Jul 04 17:06 |
| schestowitz | blitzed: what's a red hat? | Jul 04 17:06 |
| bradchaus | ist that just umm, ridiculous? | Jul 04 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | What is the story behind Hyperbola anyway? I heard about the two other distros but not that one. | Jul 04 17:06 |
| schestowitz | that ceased to exist years ago.. | Jul 04 17:06 |
| schestowitz | like the "MAGA" red hats | Jul 04 17:06 |
| gustaf | CrystalMath: that's one point of view, but afaik no-one articulated it like that | Jul 04 17:07 |
| blitzed | Microsoft & manufacturer collusion? <bradchaus> does anyone have any idea why an operating system would have a requirement of 64GB storage for minimum system requirement? | Jul 04 17:07 |
| CrystalMath | gustaf: actually Andrew Lee said it way back in april | Jul 04 17:07 |
| gustaf | and so far most projects have been happy enough to move to another managed "centralized" network | Jul 04 17:07 |
| blitzed | blublubluh you're going to need a new computer for our OS slave! Consume! OBEY! | Jul 04 17:07 |
| gustaf | CrystalMath: ok, then most people ran screaming away from that | Jul 04 17:08 |
| XRevan86 | The people are so complicit when shit hit the fan on freenode they ditched the place in a month. | Jul 04 17:08 |
| XRevan86 | But that's not good either, that's cancel culture, ye see. | Jul 04 17:08 |
| gustaf | and of course the projects that did stay were "rewarded" by having services reset | Jul 04 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | And now that some of them left IRC altogether, CrystalMath can enjoy "that no network is 90k anymore". | Jul 04 17:10 |
| CrystalMath | a lot of the projects that went to mattermost / XMPP self-host it | Jul 04 17:10 |
| CrystalMath | it's as good as self-hosting IRC | Jul 04 17:11 |
| CrystalMath | it's sad that it's not IRC, though | Jul 04 17:11 |
| XRevan86 | https://mamot.fr/@hyperbola also a very alive place | Jul 04 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hyperbola (@hyperbola@mamot.fr) - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fédéré | Jul 04 17:12 | |
| XRevan86 | I'm not trying to declare Hyperbola as dead, just that it's a lot more likely for a project that looks like this to not make any decision whatsoever about the changes in communication channels. | Jul 04 17:13 |
| immibis | Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. | Jul 04 17:13 |
| gustaf | anyway my days of distro-hopping are over | Jul 04 17:13 |
| gustaf | I'm running ubuntu on my vps and rasbian on the Pi | Jul 04 17:14 |
| schestowitz | [17:09] <gustaf> and of course the projects that did stay were "rewarded" by having services reset | Jul 04 17:14 |
| gustaf | oh yeah I checked out Hexchat, man does the UI suck | Jul 04 17:14 |
| schestowitz | all their users' too | Jul 04 17:14 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: actually a lot of the hyperbola people spoke in favor of freenode | Jul 04 17:14 |
| schestowitz | just to put off those who were left | Jul 04 17:14 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: and in favor of free speech | Jul 04 17:14 |
| CrystalMath | that's why i'm saying, it's not a typical FLOSS project atall | Jul 04 17:14 |
| CrystalMath | *at all | Jul 04 17:14 |
| schestowitz | I still have issues with their bouncers sometimes, never had such issues before! | Jul 04 17:14 |
| gustaf | small FOSS | Jul 04 17:15 |
| CrystalMath | a typical FLOSS project will code using 300 GB libraries, make horrible decisions, and primarily concern themselves with Trump and charlottesville | Jul 04 17:15 |
| schestowitz | actually no | Jul 04 17:16 |
| schestowitz | they don't bother much with politics | Jul 04 17:16 |
| schestowitz | and focus on the project | Jul 04 17:16 |
| schestowitz | the people who bring politics to freenode complain | Jul 04 17:16 |
| schestowitz | because "Cancel Culture" | Jul 04 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I want to go pray in the mosque... to Buddha | Jul 04 17:16 |
| gustaf | CrystalMath: lol ok | Jul 04 17:16 |
| schestowitz | they will cancel me, I will prove it! | Jul 04 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I can only take your word for it. So for me it's inconclusive at this point. | Jul 04 17:17 |
| gustaf | CrystalMath: they also Get Shit Done | Jul 04 17:17 |
| gustaf | ok bbl | Jul 04 17:17 |
| XRevan86 | If they actually actively chose freenode, that's indeed a surprise to me. | Jul 04 17:18 |
| XRevan86 | An unconventional choice. | Jul 04 17:18 |
| techrights-news | "The netlist story really took off in July when the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit affirmed the U.S. #Patent Trial and Appeal Board’s decision upholding the validity of Netlist’s U.S. 7,619,912 (‘912) patent that applies to DDR server memory modules" https://microcapdaily.com/netlist-inc-otcmkts-nlst-powerful-runner-as-lawsuit-over-912-seminal-patent-moves-forward/132077/ | Jul 04 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-microcapdaily.com | Netlist, Inc. (OTCMKTS: NLST) Powerful Runner as Lawsuit Over (‘912) Seminal Patent Moves Forward | Micro Cap Daily | Jul 04 17:18 | |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: that's what i love about them, all their choices are unconventional, like eschewing java entirely | Jul 04 17:18 |
| CrystalMath | i remember their old list of excluded packages, that also had a reason for the exclusion | Jul 04 17:19 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Ah, now I know why I haven't heard of it. | Jul 04 17:19 |
| CrystalMath | i remember that for java, the listed reason was "it's java" :P | Jul 04 17:19 |
| AdmFubar | thought I was returning to the computer after dinner yesterday... forgot I was still logged on here.. | Jul 04 17:19 |
| schestowitz | [17:18] <XRevan86> If they actually actively chose freenode, that's indeed a surprise to me. | Jul 04 17:20 |
| schestowitz | no, nobody chooses it anympre | Jul 04 17:20 |
| schestowitz | some people stay there | Jul 04 17:20 |
| CrystalMath | i love it, java-openjre has been excluded becuase the package was found to in fact contain java :P | Jul 04 17:20 |
| schestowitz | some do not | Jul 04 17:20 |
| CrystalMath | i choose freenode | Jul 04 17:20 |
| schestowitz | I do not know and cannot name a single projects that MOVED TO freenode BECAUSE of what happened | Jul 04 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: After knowing more about how Hyperbola approaches distribution building, it's no longer a surprise to me. | Jul 04 17:20 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-update-bug-blocks-azure-virtual-desktops-security-updates/ | Jul 04 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Windows Update bug blocks Azure Virtual Desktops security updates | Jul 04 17:21 | |
| XRevan86 | I'll continue recommending Artix to those who want Arch without systemd. | Jul 04 17:21 |
| schestowitz | AdmFubar: people use these things?!?!? | Jul 04 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | it appears to actually work | Jul 04 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Well, not techs I guess | Jul 04 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft issues... impacts: Microsoft workers | Jul 04 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft will lay off SOME MORE Azure workers over it | Jul 04 17:23 |
| schestowitz | haha, if only azure had in turnover what it spends on marketing SPAM :-) | Jul 04 17:23 |
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| XRevan86 | VkusVille (TasteVille) apologised for an ad with a lesbian couple. | Jul 04 17:25 |
| techrights-news | #ibm "Putting Rob Thomas in charge of the entire Sales organization was a catastrophic error. But hey, AK hates Salespeople so he'll sacrifice the rest of 2021 in order to clean house even more in '22. He's a total @ $$h0le but not a complete 1diot I suppose" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bFu5faU | Jul 04 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Could this be a good thing? - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jul 04 17:26 | |
| XRevan86 | that's *a* response to various death threats | Jul 04 17:26 |
| techrights-news | " #IBM is to competent management as #colonoscopy preparation is to delightful" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bFu5faU | Jul 04 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | traditional values preserved once again | Jul 04 17:27 |
| techrights-news | #IBM CEO "AK the next John Aker?" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bFaNvmD Background: "On Tuesday, January 26, 1993, Akers was forced to announce his resignation," https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fellows_Akers | Jul 04 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | AK the next John Aker? - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jul 04 17:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | John Fellows Akers - Wikipedia | Jul 04 17:28 | |
| techrights-news | #wipo pushing the dangerous #cult and #religion to #ukraine http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/07/sunday-surprises.html see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/WIPO | Jul 04 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sunday Surprises - The IPKat | Jul 04 17:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | WIPO - Techrights | Jul 04 17:30 | |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: IRCCloud was cancelled on freenode. Poor lads. | Jul 04 17:30 |
| CrystalMath | ircclown participated in the cancel culture against Andrew Lee on twitter first | Jul 04 17:31 |
| CrystalMath | and their disservice was constantly used as a ban evasion measure | Jul 04 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | words > actions | Jul 04 17:31 |
| CrystalMath | people are honestly better off with bnc.freenode.net | Jul 04 17:32 |
| techrights-news | This is like turning ordinary police or even ISPs... into copyright cops https://www.managingip.com/article/b1shhmw5nkdy2g/ip-enforcement-summit-ships-and-couriers-under-spotlight-in-counterfeit-fight #EUIPO is corrupt http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO | Jul 04 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | IP Enforcement Summit: Ships and couriers under spotlight in counterfeit fight | Managing Intellectual Property | Jul 04 17:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights | Jul 04 17:32 | |
| XRevan86 | saying "freenode annoying" is cancel culture, banning a service is freedom | Jul 04 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: People are honestly better off without freenode. | Jul 04 17:32 |
| techrights-news | Linux 5.14 Improving Its Distributed Lock Manager To Allow Message Re-Transmission - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-DLM ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest | Jul 04 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 Improving Its Distributed Lock Manager To Allow Message Re-Transmission - Phoronix | Jul 04 17:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jul 04 17:32 | |
| XRevan86 | Great argument. | Jul 04 17:33 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: freenode isn't the only network that bans ircclown | Jul 04 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Oh, when there's a mob, then it's even less cancel culture-y. | Jul 04 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't realise, I see the errors of my analogy. | Jul 04 17:34 |
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| CrystalMath | i don't think it's because of anything ircclown said, it's just because they're an awful service | Jul 04 17:34 |
| AdmFubar | https://fosspost.org/audacity-is-now-a-spyware/ | Jul 04 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosspost.org | Audacity Is Now A Possible Spyware, Remove It ASAP | Jul 04 17:34 | |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: So Andrew is *protecting* people from having an awful service | Jul 04 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | now that's noble | Jul 04 17:34 |
| techrights-news | Linux Will Keep Core Scheduling Disabled By Default - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-Core-Sched-Off ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest | Jul 04 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Will Keep Core Scheduling Disabled By Default - Phoronix | Jul 04 17:38 | |
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| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: That's probably the same reason for why freenode refuses to let schestowitz' connection to go through. | Jul 04 17:39 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i have no idea why schestowitz can't connect | Jul 04 17:39 |
| CrystalMath | but there were some strange issues with the ircd | Jul 04 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | "were" – he had troubles yesterday. | Jul 04 17:42 |
| techrights-news | #Audacity is now a Possible Spyware, Remove it ASAP • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153021 s Exploiting long (weekend/holiday) calm to sneak in poison with minimal blowback/pushback? | Jul 04 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audacity is now a Possible Spyware, Remove it ASAP | Tux Machines | Jul 04 17:43 | |
| XRevan86 | Audacity is being cancelled! | Jul 04 17:43 |
| techrights-news | #FreeSoftware : GNU Binutils, Network Manager, #Motrix Download Manager • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153022 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: GNU Binutils, Network Manager, Motrix Download Manager | Tux Machines | Jul 04 17:43 | |
| XRevan86 | Protect Audacity! | Jul 04 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | ^ CrystalMath, that's how ye sound. | Jul 04 17:45 |
| CrystalMath | well tbh idk what's happening with audacity | Jul 04 17:45 |
| CrystalMath | i need to look into it | Jul 04 17:45 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: New management, now, for some reason, that management is being cancelled. | Jul 04 17:46 |
| schestowitz | audacity technical and code issues | Jul 04 17:46 |
| schestowitz | sneaking in malicious features | Jul 04 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | unlike freenode it wasn't a take-over, that's one difference | Jul 04 17:46 |
| schestowitz | to spy on you no matter which autocrat you vote for :-) | Jul 04 17:46 |
| bradchaus | there is a fork | Jul 04 17:46 |
| schestowitz | DON'T CANCEL ME! Let me SPYYYYYY! | Jul 04 17:46 |
| schestowitz | bradchaus: as expected | Jul 04 17:47 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: what happened exactly? | Jul 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz | bradchaus: free software at work | Jul 04 17:47 |
| bradchaus | yup | Jul 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz | removing bad stuff when it's introduced | Jul 04 17:47 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: The Audacity team somehow ended up in the Muse Group, and they are introducing all the good stuff into Audacity now. | Jul 04 17:47 |
| bradchaus | https://github.com/cookiengineer/audacity | Jul 04 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - cookiengineer/audacity: Audacity Fork without any Sentry Telemetry or Crash Reporting. | Jul 04 17:48 | |
| schestowitz | ewww | Jul 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz | shithub | Jul 04 17:48 |
| XRevan86 | It was something like an acquisition, but not quite. | Jul 04 17:48 |
| bradchaus | unfortunately | Jul 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz | nothing says freedom like microsoft monopoly and proprietary GPL violation | Jul 04 17:48 |
| XRevan86 | bradchaus: That's a personal repo. Maybe it'll grow into being a stronger fork, but so far this doesn't stand out. | Jul 04 17:48 |
| CrystalMath | i mean i still use 2.3.2 | Jul 04 17:49 |
| CrystalMath | i see no reason to upgrade to even 3.x :P | Jul 04 17:49 |
| bradchaus | there's a lot of talk in amongst a lot of the major code contributors .. something will shake out | Jul 04 17:49 |
| XRevan86 | Libera.SoundEditor | Jul 04 17:50 |
| schestowitz | GNUcity | Jul 04 17:51 |
| schestowitz | if there is a fork, I will move to it | Jul 04 17:51 |
| bradchaus | ardour is wha t I have used ... i think its pretty clean, or hope so | Jul 04 17:51 |
| schestowitz | like barrier to synergy | Jul 04 17:51 |
| schestowitz | isn't ardour for music production? | Jul 04 17:52 |
| schestowitz | they are not the same type of program, more like mulescore | Jul 04 17:52 |
| bradchaus | well so is audacitu | Jul 04 17:52 |
| AdmFubar | aurdour is a SAW | Jul 04 17:52 |
| bradchaus | audacity | Jul 04 17:52 |
| AdmFubar | DAW | Jul 04 17:52 |
| AdmFubar | :P dammed fat fingers | Jul 04 17:52 |
| bradchaus | audacity is sorta a subset of ardour, in terms of capabilities | Jul 04 17:53 |
| techrights-news | Changing #copyright #law to make more sense in current times? http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/08/book-review-restructuring-copyright.html | Jul 04 17:53 |
| AdmFubar | audacity is sound editor, audour is for making music | Jul 04 17:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Book Review: (Re)structuring Copyright, A Comprehensive Path to International Copyright Reform - The IPKat | Jul 04 17:53 | |
| bradchaus | ardour edits obviously | Jul 04 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | bradchaus: ardour has telemetry which you can disable | Jul 04 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | ardour is a non-destructive editor | Jul 04 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | which means it needlessly fills up your disk :P | Jul 04 17:54 |
| techrights-news | When courts become like for-profit businesses or companies instead of places for judging https://www.law360.com/articles/1400052/wdtx-now-has-25-of-all-us-patent-cases #texas makes a joke out of #patent #law | Jul 04 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WDTX Now Has 25% Of All US Patent Cases - Law360 | Jul 04 17:54 | |
| bradchaus | one that I looked at with interest was non-daw ... it intrigues me | Jul 04 17:55 |
| techrights-news | #Texas helps opponents of the current #patent system. It makes the system looks as corrupt as nobody's business. http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/federal-circuit-may-overrule-judge.html #patents #WDTX | Jul 04 17:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Federal Circuit may overrule Judge Albright should he hold Markman hearing prior to ruling on Volkswagen's motion to transfer venue | Jul 04 17:56 | |
| bradchaus | https://non.tuxfamily.org/ | Jul 04 17:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-non.tuxfamily.org | Non | Jul 04 17:56 | |
| bradchaus | unconventional but looks interesting | Jul 04 17:57 |
| techrights-news | #Germany tries copying #Texas to nuke the European economy (other 'states') for temporary gains http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/patent-plaintiffs-in-us-and-germany.html see http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/bundestagate-part-20/ | Jul 04 17:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Patent plaintiffs in U.S. and Germany recently tried fragmenting their infringement claims for tactical reasons, but at least the Federal Circuit won't support such gamesmanship | Jul 04 17:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag — Part 20: Taking Stock | Techrights | Jul 04 17:57 | |
| AdmFubar | I see non is using freenode | Jul 04 18:03 |
| bradchaus | not anymore so far as I know | Jul 04 18:03 |
| AdmFubar | they still have it listed on their site | Jul 04 18:04 |
| bradchaus | if you read the blog or wiki he is pretty pissed off | Jul 04 18:04 |
| bradchaus | not sure whats happening there | Jul 04 18:04 |
| bradchaus | techrights lists freenode still too ... so thats no indication really | Jul 04 18:05 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/ibm/former-red-hat-ceo-jim-whitehurst-steps-down-role-ibm-president | Jul 04 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datacenterknowledge.com | Former Red CEO Jim Whitehurst Steps Down from Role of IBM President | Data Center Knowledge | Jul 04 18:05 | |
| bradchaus | would bet my left one he will move | Jul 04 18:05 |
| schestowitz | move from freenode? | Jul 04 18:06 |
| schestowitz | AdmFubar: http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/whitehurst-gave-up/ | Jul 04 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Whitehurst Was Always Very Optimistic and Positive But With IBM in Charge He No Longer Is | Techrights | Jul 04 18:07 | |
| schestowitz | IBM is a fast-motion catastrophe | Jul 04 18:07 |
| schestowitz | and it's going to go down 100 times faster than it grew | Jul 04 18:07 |
| schestowitz | actually, its decline is 10+ years in the making | Jul 04 18:08 |
| schestowitz | but now it's accelerating a lot | Jul 04 18:08 |
| techrights-news | #Kernel: Core Scheduling and Distributed Lock Manager in Linux • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153023 #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 18:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Core Scheduling and Distributed Lock Manager in Linux | Tux Machines | Jul 04 18:08 | |
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| techrights-news | #UK : Infinite Case Ends – With Limited Award Of Damages For Infringing Copies Of #Eminem 's Album https://www.mondaq.com/uk/copyright/1086292/infinite-case-ends-with-limited-award-of-damages-for-infringing-copies-of-eminem39s-album- | Jul 04 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Infinite Case Ends – With Limited Award Of Damages For Infringing Copies Of Eminem's Album - Intellectual Property - UK | Jul 04 18:10 | |
| techrights-news | Ewwww... Florian Mueller outsourcing to #microsoft and he should know better! He wrote a whole book about Microsoft's shady #swpats lobbyists http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/follow-me-on-linkedin-for-occasional.html | Jul 04 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Follow me on LinkedIn for occasional commentary on other topics (tech and non-tech matters, such as European Superleague Company v. FIFA & UEFA) | Jul 04 18:12 | |
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| MinceR | 04 190506 < bradchaus> techrights lists freenode still too ... so thats no indication really | Jul 04 18:13 |
| MinceR | techrights uses freenode | Jul 04 18:14 |
| MinceR | that's what bridge is for | Jul 04 18:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And clearly very annoyed with it. | Jul 04 18:14 |
| Ariadne | techrights shouldn't use freenode | Jul 04 18:14 |
| MinceR | does that make referring to freenode on the techrights website a lie? | Jul 04 18:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What's this obsession with what is technically a lie or not | Jul 04 18:15 |
| Ariadne | at this point, the majority of conversation is here | Jul 04 18:15 |
| Ariadne | it is probably ok to phase out freenode now | Jul 04 18:15 |
| techrights-news | Much of what they nowadays call #medtech #patents are just illegal #softwarepatents https://www.bioworld.com/articles/508927-bioworld-medtech-patent-highlights-week-25?v=preview #swpats http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ | Jul 04 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BioWorld MedTech Patent Highlights: Week 25 | 2021-07-02 | BioWorld | Jul 04 18:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) — Like MedTech at the EPO — Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights | Jul 04 18:16 | |
| MinceR | and what would we replace freenode with? | Jul 04 18:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Isn't the answer obvious? | Jul 04 18:18 |
| Ariadne | irc.techrights.org ? | Jul 04 18:18 |
| MinceR | didn't irc.techrights.org have an outage recently? | Jul 04 18:18 |
| Ariadne | i mean, we can rearchitect the network to turn it into a clustered one | Jul 04 18:18 |
| Ariadne | but i think asking for uptime out of freenode is laughable | Jul 04 18:19 |
| MinceR | we'd need someone to host it | Jul 04 18:19 |
| MinceR | it probably is, but the fact is, it was up while we were down, so we could continue talking there | Jul 04 18:19 |
| Ariadne | i have a second colo, | Jul 04 18:19 |
| MinceR | and it's a good idea to have a backup | Jul 04 18:19 |
| MinceR | didn't you say you didn't want to host TR on the long term? | Jul 04 18:19 |
| bradchaus | all I am saying is if non still refers to freenode, that doesnt mean they arent changing ... there's thusands of freenode chanels still moving | Jul 04 18:20 |
| MinceR | there are many ways we could have some sort of backup communication channel, it doesn't have to be freenode, but it's a good idea to have one | Jul 04 18:20 |
| XRevan86 | long term it mustn't be freenode | Jul 04 18:21 |
| techrights-news | Best Alternative Linux Distributions For #vista11 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153024 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Alternative Linux Distributions For Windows 11 | Tux Machines | Jul 04 18:21 | |
| Ariadne | MinceR: ideally not in the long term, but i'm largely apathetic to the idea either way | Jul 04 18:21 |
| techrights-news | Relay expansion board for #RaspberryPi includes 4.3-inch touchscreen display (Crowdfunding) • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153025 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Relay expansion board for Raspberry Pi includes 4.3-inch touchscreen display (Crowdfunding) | Tux Machines | Jul 04 18:21 | |
| gustaf | this is all very confusing https://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/News | Jul 04 18:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-non.tuxfamily.org | News | Non | Jul 04 18:22 | |
| bradchaus | @gustaf .. yes it is confusing | Jul 04 18:22 |
| bradchaus | still, I intend to try the software | Jul 04 18:23 |
| gustaf | good plan | Jul 04 18:23 |
| techrights-news | Stop calling #patents "IP" as it's a misleading #propaganda term, in this case wielded by pharma #litigation monsters who also sponsor this writer https://www.managingip.com/article/b1shm1gwff0qqf/how-pharma-inhouse-teams-do-mampa-deals | Jul 04 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | How pharma in-house teams do M&A deals | Managing Intellectual Property | Jul 04 18:23 | |
| bradchaus | 3.26AM here ... nite peoples ... stay free | Jul 04 18:26 |
| Ariadne | non reminds me of jeskola buzz | Jul 04 18:26 |
| XRevan86 | bradchaus: Good night. | Jul 04 18:26 |
| techrights-news | #UK Supreme Court Refuses to Extend the Scope of Tort of the Tort "Causing Loss by Unlawful Means" Thereby Preserving the Legislative Balance of the #Patent System https://www.sidley.com/en/insights/newsupdates/2021/07/uk-supreme-court-refuses-to-extend-the-scope-of-tort | Jul 04 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.sidley.com/en/insights/newsupdates/2021/07/uk-supreme-court-refuses-to-extend-the-scope-of-tort ) | Jul 04 18:28 | |
| techrights-news | #Finnegan conveniently overlooking the fact that the #EPO Enlarged Board of Appeal (EBA) is rigged because that's good for #patent profiteers who just pursue as much patent #litigation as possible | Jul 04 18:32 |
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| AdmFubar | outta here for the afternoon... all woozy from the antihistamine I took | Jul 04 18:33 |
| techrights-news | As long as #EPO #corruption is profitable to #Finnegan they will usher in those who undermine the EPO for chaos profiteers https://www.natlawreview.com/article/double-patenting-grounds-refusal-against-european-patent-applications-says-epo-g419 see http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/g-121-epo-catastrophe/ | Jul 04 18:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Double Patenting Grounds for European Patent Applications Refusal | Jul 04 18:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPO’s Legitimacy | Techrights | Jul 04 18:34 | |
| *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights | Jul 04 18:34 | |
| techrights-news | ...spinning illegal and abstract #patents as something "medical" or "life-saving" isn't a novel trick. http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ | Jul 04 18:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) — Like MedTech at the EPO — Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights | Jul 04 18:34 | |
| techrights-news | #DennisCrouch , funded by #litigation profiteers, continues attacking (looking to discredit) tribunals that invalidate #fakepatents https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/07/recent-prophetic-example.html see http://techrights.org/2017/03/05/dennis-crouch-worries-about-ptab-and-cafc/ | Jul 04 18:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Recent Prophetic Example cases from the PTAB | Patently-O | Jul 04 18:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | PTAB and CAFC Crush Patents on Business Methods and Software, So Dennis Crouch Tries to Slow Them Down | Techrights | Jul 04 18:36 | |
| techrights-news | #Russia should instead give #patent #waivers and financially support #research in the #publicinterest https://www.mondaq.com/russianfederation/patent/1085762/russia-fast-tracks-patent-applications-in-the-war-against-covid-19 | Jul 04 18:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Russia Fast-Tracks Patent Applications In The War Against Covid-19 - Intellectual Property - Russian Federation | Jul 04 18:38 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/759218.jpg | Jul 04 18:39 |
| techrights-news | It’s July Fourth and it remains unclear by what sort of twisted logic the Boards of Appeal of the #EPO ever regained their independence • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/epo-airlines-independence-day/ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO #Europe | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/epo-airlines-independence-day/ | Jul 04 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EPO Airlines | Techrights | Jul 04 18:40 | |
| techrights-news | The independence of #RedHat isn’t being respected anymore (it was a false promise; see Scotland and Cataluña); instead of fighting on, in order to maintain his promise to his staff, #JimWhitehurst has ejected himself from the new "master" of Red Hat, #IBM • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/whitehurst-gave-up/ ䷉ #Techrights| ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/whitehurst-gave- | Jul 04 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Whitehurst Was Always Very Optimistic and Positive But With IBM in Charge He No Longer Is | Techrights | Jul 04 18:41 | |
| techrights-news | #Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153026 #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 18:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 04 18:42 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21120244 | Jul 04 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: People talking shit in #socialcontrolmedia https://hugelolcdn.com/i/759218.jpg | Jul 04 18:49 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | [18:15] <Ariadne> it is probably ok to phase out freenode now | Jul 04 18:50 |
| schestowitz | we log from here and run all the bots here | Jul 04 18:50 |
| schestowitz | it's a gradual process | Jul 04 18:50 |
| schestowitz | freenode already 'turns me off' at bouncer level sometimes | Jul 04 18:51 |
| schestowitz | even if freenode worked ok just 90% of the time, it still helps maintains communication in case of network outages in the other network | Jul 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | in "AYE TEE" they call it MULTICLOWN | Jul 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | which they say reduced the risk by doubling the cost | Jul 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | to me, freenode is now free as in free soda | Jul 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz | it's not so healthy for you, but if you're really thirsty it's not so expensive either | Jul 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz | which is sad, as I was once proud to say freenode, with the f not being about price | Jul 04 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ye know my opinion, if a back-up network is needed long-term it shouldn't be freenode, it should be… well, the obvious choice is obvious. | Jul 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | and it was called "open" something before the renaming | Jul 04 18:55 |
| MinceR | yes, it should be umbrellanet | Jul 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: there is also a channel in LC | Jul 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | but freeSODA is still there | Jul 04 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It currently cannot serve as a back-up. | Jul 04 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: For that some actions need to be taken. | Jul 04 18:56 |
| MinceR | or we could try a truly distributed channel on RetroShare (over Tor), though that's probably not as manageable | Jul 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | sounds like chaos management | Jul 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | it's hard enough with ipfs | Jul 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | lots of things that can go wrong, took me months just to get it to work almost reliably every night | Jul 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | inc. writing some self-recovery thing for ii | Jul 04 18:57 |
| techrights-news | Opposition Practice At The #EPO – Advice For #Patent Owners https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1086846/opposition-practice-at-the-epo-advice-for-patent-owners "In this article, we will give an overview of the opposition procedure, before delving into tips and strategies for patent proprietors when faced with opposition proceedings." | Jul 04 18:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Opposition Practice At The EPO – Advice For Patent Owners - Intellectual Property - UK | Jul 04 18:58 | |
| techrights-news | #Patents have no "owners"; it's the wrong term, but the patent 'sector' hopes that repetition will reinforce this #misconception | Jul 04 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: A branch on LC is something that can be managed easily. | Jul 04 18:59 |
| techrights-news | ...the more conventional term for #patent assignee is "holder" (and that's temporary; it's not eternal like "property") | Jul 04 19:00 |
| MinceR | as long as LC staff wants you to be able to do that | Jul 04 19:00 |
| schestowitz | No need, it would sent the WRONG message. ----> [18:59] <XRevan86> schestowitz: A branch on LC is something that can be managed easily. | Jul 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | we want people to come here as a first choice | Jul 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | for those who don't want "YET ANOTHER" network, we have had a place since 2008 | Jul 04 19:01 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▂▁▆▆▅▃▇▄▅▁▃▄▄▅▃▇▅▄▄▅▆▆▅▆▃▅▆▇▇▄▁▅▁ avg(k/sec) 23.86 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▇▅▂▁▂▂█▂█▂▃█▃▃█▁▂█▁▁▂▁▃▂▂▂▂▃▂▂▃▁▁▃▁ avg(k/sec) 49.56▕ swarm size (avg): 306.70 ⟲ | Jul 04 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And that place is a mess. | Jul 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the longterm viability of LC might be the same as freenode's | Jul 04 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | "might be", probably not. | Jul 04 19:02 |
| schestowitz | for one thing, no business model and no plan to deal with some of the worst types of disruptions, nuisance | Jul 04 19:02 |
| schestowitz | running a network with so many people is no picnic | Jul 04 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | They never needed a business model so far. | Jul 04 19:02 |
| MinceR | an irc network doesn't really need a business model | Jul 04 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne was bullied online over it | Jul 04 19:02 |
| schestowitz | (freenode) | Jul 04 19:02 |
| MinceR | the way freenode/libera does things does need one | Jul 04 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | Libera #live will definitely not be a thing. | Jul 04 19:02 |
| MinceR | so we're better off using networks that are not so vulnerable | Jul 04 19:03 |
| *psymin (~psymin@9yf7rmsqpjjte.irc) has joined #techrights | Jul 04 19:03 | |
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| schestowitz | hi, psymin | Jul 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: it's a mess | Jul 04 19:03 |
| psymin | howdy | Jul 04 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: freenode needs a business model, Libera doesn't. | Jul 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | I'd not join it | Jul 04 19:03 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: why? | Jul 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | yes, why? | Jul 04 19:03 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: is libera not owned by a corporate entity? | Jul 04 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Because freenode is an actual business. | Jul 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | it was not before | Jul 04 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | it has employees, it has salaries | Jul 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | things changed | Jul 04 19:04 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: when it was a nonprofit, it was even more dependent on money | Jul 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | when people who kept it running needed $ | Jul 04 19:04 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: remember why PDPC had to be closed | Jul 04 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: While Libera just have an entity over it that serves as an analogue to SPI | Jul 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | SPI is propped up by Google, Microsoft | Jul 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | and they even hide those bribes | Jul 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | which doesn't work out at the end | Jul 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | they start censoring for those tech mafias | Jul 04 19:05 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: what's the assurance that that entity will be able to continue existing? | Jul 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | and so their legitimacy is in peril | Jul 04 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why the heck wouldn't it if the only reason for it is being legally binding? | Jul 04 19:05 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: legal requirements, for example | Jul 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: the people at freenode showed they can pull out swords | Jul 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | on lee, on rms | Jul 04 19:05 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: or some of the staff deciding to sell it for money | Jul 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | they will do it to one another one day | Jul 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | and then liberate.neo | Jul 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | or libre.irc | Jul 04 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: They did pull out a sword on rasengan, but it was self-defence. | Jul 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | or whatever | Jul 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | what about rms? | Jul 04 19:06 |
| psymin | What would be the "right" way for a IRC service to be offered? | Jul 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | did he threaten them | Jul 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jul 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | psymin: it's a question of trust | Jul 04 19:07 |
| MinceR | psymin: servers run by people who host them, linked together | Jul 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | LC is like 20,000 channels | Jul 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | and no single member of staff likes all of them | Jul 04 19:07 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Whether that counts as a sword is debatable. And if Libera is guilty because some people in it feel that way. | Jul 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | irc.techrights is for techrights | Jul 04 19:07 |
| MinceR | not this "lease us a server as a donation and then we'll have our little clique run it" | Jul 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | and that's about it | Jul 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | there's no #microsoft here | Jul 04 19:07 |
| psymin | schestowitz, there is now :D | Jul 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | haha | Jul 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | don't click!!! | Jul 04 19:08 |
| *schestowitz runs /list | Jul 04 19:08 | |
| schestowitz | darn, you clicked !!! nooooooooo! | Jul 04 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ironically, that's exactly the approach that would need a business model. | Jul 04 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And freenode, Ltd. does host its servers now, so… that works out. | Jul 04 19:09 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: so what's the business model of most IRC networks? | Jul 04 19:09 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: iirc, that's andrew's brother, alex | Jul 04 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Shills(R) | Jul 04 19:10 |
| schestowitz | [sic] | Jul 04 19:10 |
| schestowitz | btw, andrew runs his irc code off a shills[ | Jul 04 19:11 |
| schestowitz | (r) instance | Jul 04 19:11 |
| schestowitz | he told me | Jul 04 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I suppose, I don't know how to wrap my head around this in a legal sense though. | Jul 04 19:11 |
| schestowitz | so there's a cross-platform/company promotion thing | Jul 04 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Shills (r) never caught on | Jul 04 19:11 |
| schestowitz | it's not an attractive option for any practical use case | Jul 04 19:11 |
| schestowitz | except maybe education, but for that too better options exist | Jul 04 19:12 |
| XRevan86 | one way or another, freenode, Ltd. needs to have a business, and instead it's leeching off another commercial entity | Jul 04 19:12 |
| schestowitz | they have an app with tracker | Jul 04 19:12 |
| schestowitz | and technically owned by a casino man | Jul 04 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Teddy Sagi or whatever | Jul 04 19:12 |
| schestowitz | a fake cypriot of the casino business | Jul 04 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Most IRC networks have a no responsibility approach, so I don't see what the argument about reliability is then. | Jul 04 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Kape's place in the puzzle is unknown to me, but Lee is clearly not in charge | Jul 04 19:13 |
| schestowitz | he merely holds a sear in the smaller entity owned and controlled by an Adelson of sorts | Jul 04 19:14 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: that's not the point, and also, the anti-free SJW networks aren't more reliable than the others | Jul 04 19:14 |
| *schestowitz believes in choosing things based on seniority too, and LC is just too young at this point | Jul 04 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | "IRC network QuakeNet was registered on netsplit.de in August 1998." https://netsplit.de/networks/QuakeNet/ | Jul 04 19:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE | Jul 04 19:15 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Libera has no symptoms of a young network, freenode does. | Jul 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz | It may suck, but at least you know it is likely to be around for the next 10 years or more | Jul 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz | https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php shows libera on the decline | Jul 04 19:16 |
| psymin | seniority can't be the only metric, mariadb vs mysql, libreoffice vs openoffice, etc. Seniority of those who do the work might be more relevant. | Jul 04 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE | Jul 04 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | maybe an error but watch how Libera went down | Jul 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz | psymin: those are the "success stories" | Jul 04 19:17 |
| schestowitz | how did Glimpse work out? | Jul 04 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And so they fixed the issue that caused the problem. | Jul 04 19:17 |
| psymin | schestowitz, probably not well since I have no idea what glimpse is | Jul 04 19:17 |
| MinceR | psymin: if they did good work, that is | Jul 04 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The only thing that brought Libera down is exactly what's been removed from the equation. | Jul 04 19:17 |
| MinceR | that decline seems short enough to be part of a weekly fluctuation (as seen before) | Jul 04 19:18 |
| schestowitz | "IRC network Libera.Chat was registered on netsplit.de in May 2021." https://netsplit.de/networks/Libera.Chat | Jul 04 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://netsplit.de/networks/Libera.Chat ) | Jul 04 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, child mortality is still a thing | Jul 04 19:18 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: ah, so libera is not owned by a corporate entity? | Jul 04 19:18 |
| schestowitz | let's see how it matures | Jul 04 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yes, it's actually not. | Jul 04 19:18 |
| psymin | I thought libera had an eu group behind it | Jul 04 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | Behind it there's a non-profit in which the actual staff is involved | Jul 04 19:18 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: "Libera Chat is a Swedish nonprofit organisation with organisation number 802535-6448" | Jul 04 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | and not whatever freenode, Ltd. was | Jul 04 19:19 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: are they lying on their website? | Jul 04 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I guess I misunderstood the words "corporate entity" | Jul 04 19:19 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: freenode used to be owned by a nonprofit and it didn't work out | Jul 04 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Libera Chat is a Swedish nonprofit organisation hosting a site and code on Microsoft's proprietary software monopolies and MASSIVE GPL violator | Jul 04 19:19 |
| psymin | wat | Jul 04 19:20 |
| psymin | oh you mean github? meh | Jul 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz | it's in sweden because of a person | Jul 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz | yes, libera.chat is Microsoft hosted | Jul 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz | proprietary | Jul 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz | and in NSA PRISM | Jul 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I like. +1 | Jul 04 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Sweden is simply good enough. | Jul 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz | just what techrights digs | Jul 04 19:20 |
| psymin | schestowitz, the service itself is running on microsoft software, or just the codebase? | Jul 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz | sweden spies a lot | Jul 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz | for the US | Jul 04 19:21 |
| psymin | are there any nations that don't spy a lot? | Jul 04 19:21 |
| schestowitz | but that's not the main point | Jul 04 19:21 |
| schestowitz | psymin: depends who for | Jul 04 19:21 |
| psymin | sweden is in the US pocket, Assange :( | Jul 04 19:21 |
| MinceR | psymin: afaict the website is hosted by microsoft github and the source code is also hosted there | Jul 04 19:21 |
| schestowitz | they also blog there | Jul 04 19:21 |
| schestowitz | odd choice of platform | Jul 04 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | That will be the thing that will bring Libera down | Jul 04 19:21 |
| psymin | true, but they are 'young' | Jul 04 19:21 |
| schestowitz | maybe they'll call #techrights "Extremist" one day | Jul 04 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | while freenode will be able to leech off Shells for an eternity | Jul 04 19:22 |
| MinceR | don't they already? | Jul 04 19:22 |
| schestowitz | for urging people to delete what's hosting LC | Jul 04 19:22 |
| schestowitz | and managing their code | Jul 04 19:22 |
| schestowitz | and their blogs | Jul 04 19:22 |
| MinceR | a network that isn't leeching is a better choice | Jul 04 19:22 |
| psymin | well, technically any activism for the underdog is extremism | Jul 04 19:22 |
| gustaf | isn't EFnet the oldest | Jul 04 19:22 |
| schestowitz | yo dawn, I herd you root for underdog | Jul 04 19:23 |
| MinceR | whatever they split off is older | Jul 04 19:23 |
| schestowitz | *dawg | Jul 04 19:23 |
| MinceR | nvm, A-net vanished | Jul 04 19:23 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: not dalnet? | Jul 04 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | gustaf: No, it's a "descendant" | Jul 04 19:23 |
| MinceR | so yeah, i guess so | Jul 04 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | gustaf: So if Libera is young, then EFnet is not the oldest. | Jul 04 19:23 |
| MinceR | still, efnet sucks almost as hard as ircnet does | Jul 04 19:23 |
| MinceR | they have no services | Jul 04 19:23 |
| MinceR | except for chanfis | Jul 04 19:23 |
| MinceR | s/s$/x/ | Jul 04 19:24 |
| MinceR | which they claim "may sometimes work" | Jul 04 19:24 |
| CrystalMath | ircnet doesn't even have that | Jul 04 19:24 |
| CrystalMath | but it has reop mode | Jul 04 19:24 |
| schestowitz | So they are like Microsoft -> [19:23] <MinceR> they have no services | Jul 04 19:24 |
| kingoffrance | " any activism for the underdog is extremism" <<<< yeah, thats why "extremism" doesnt really mean anything except on a surface level | Jul 04 19:24 |
| MinceR | yeah, ircnet has reop list, which also doesn't work | Jul 04 19:24 |
| CrystalMath | which can get interesting in the case of a netsplit : | Jul 04 19:24 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Jul 04 19:24 |
| kingoffrance | you always have to step back and say "according to who" | Jul 04 19:24 |
| kingoffrance | ditto "moderate" | Jul 04 19:25 |
| schestowitz | to an extremist, the non-extreme seems extreme | Jul 04 19:25 |
| kingoffrance | ^ | Jul 04 19:25 |
| kingoffrance | yep | Jul 04 19:25 |
| schestowitz | RMS says "extreme capitalism" iirc | Jul 04 19:25 |
| schestowitz | he refers to things like hedge funds | Jul 04 19:25 |
| schestowitz | which would likely label RMS "extremist" | Jul 04 19:25 |
| schestowitz | it's a label for law-making | Jul 04 19:26 |
| gustaf | he is | Jul 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | how to BAN something that competes with me, vying for power | Jul 04 19:26 |
| kingoffrance | truth is extreme to liars etc. | Jul 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has done this for decades to free software, and STILL does | Jul 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | hence the whole "remove RMS" thing | Jul 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | a moderator in a debate with Trump and HRC | Jul 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | moderate | Jul 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | between two extremes | Jul 04 19:27 |
| psymin | if libra.chat was on gitlab would the MS link be broken for them? | Jul 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | (extremes not being the opposites) | Jul 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | psymin: I convinced freenode to move to gitlab | Jul 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | but freenode sucks in other areas | Jul 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | that was before SHTF | Jul 04 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | and freenode has more resources (Shells™) | Jul 04 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | psymin: MS link? | Jul 04 19:29 |
| techrights-news | #epo #patent applications fall. Maybe the applicants finally realise that EPO will be defunct in a number of years the way things are going? https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sj35y549wg05/this-week-in-ip-inhouse-want-remote-mix-ncaa-relaxes-rights-rules-uspto-releases-arthrex-guidance http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/epo-potential-improvements/ | Jul 04 19:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | This week in IP: In-house want remote mix, NCAA relaxes rights rules, USPTO releases Arthrex guidance | Managing Intellectual Property | Jul 04 19:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Staff Representation Again Warns About Collapse in Patent Quality (Due to Bad Management), Suggests Potential Improvements | Techrights | Jul 04 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: you did not know? | Jul 04 19:31 |
| schestowitz | anyway, moving to something called "LIBER" something or "LIBRE" something just to see it's loads of Microsoft tolerance is like watching your first date eating with the hands | Jul 04 19:31 |
| schestowitz | you're not going to get a very good first impression | Jul 04 19:31 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: About what? | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | if the FSF branched out to a new network | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | and FSF has been around since the 1980s | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | and FSF stands for freedom | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | I'd branch out to it | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | if they allow #techrights to have a channel there | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | because they have more credibility | Jul 04 19:33 |
| schestowitz | and they don't sign a petition to remove the father of our movement | Jul 04 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | who is also critical of EPO, swpats etc. | Jul 04 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I hope that sort of gets the point across | Jul 04 19:33 |
| schestowitz | first impressions and track record count for something | Jul 04 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | What is "MS link"? | Jul 04 19:33 |
| psymin | schestowitz, first impressions stick, github first impressions were formed prior to the microsoft stuff | Jul 04 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I was happy to host with kaniini because I've known her online for ages | Jul 04 19:34 |
| schestowitz | not some random person online | Jul 04 19:34 |
| psymin | FSF should have their own infrastructure | Jul 04 19:34 |
| schestowitz | and willing to take lots of s* from people (who want to silence me) | Jul 04 19:34 |
| schestowitz | psymin: I told them so | Jul 04 19:34 |
| *XRevan86 saw this (jess): https://twitter.com/jessnode/status/1411370678138413059 | Jul 04 19:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jessnode: the reason github wins out over gitea/gitlab/etc is a lot of people want simple centralised networks. it's sad but true | Jul 04 19:34 | |
| schestowitz | RMS responded | Jul 04 19:34 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: weak talking point | Jul 04 19:34 |
| schestowitz | move to a mac too | Jul 04 19:34 |
| MinceR | a lot of people want proprietary software, so libera supports proprietary software | Jul 04 19:35 |
| schestowitz | many people want "steve jobs"-blessed glorified PC | Jul 04 19:35 |
| MinceR | what's next? "cancel RMS because a lot of people want him cancelled"? | Jul 04 19:35 |
| schestowitz | techrights should have a discord channel | Jul 04 19:35 |
| schestowitz | many people are on discord | Jul 04 19:35 |
| schestowitz | if Microsoft finds money to buy discord, cool | Jul 04 19:35 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 04 19:36 |
| schestowitz | because Microsoft has many connections to Epstein | Jul 04 19:36 |
| psymin | a discord presence will bring a lower quality engagement | Jul 04 19:36 |
| schestowitz | and Epstein "knows lots of rich people" | Jul 04 19:36 |
| MinceR | libera could become a discord guild | Jul 04 19:36 |
| schestowitz | (what Bill said when he was the worst's richest) | Jul 04 19:36 |
| psymin | but a lot of people will learn about techrights if it is there | Jul 04 19:36 |
| schestowitz | about meeting what he already knew was a monster... many times, even on his plane and in his prison cell | Jul 04 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | psymin: Discord has barely any discovery, so no. | Jul 04 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | > if lib[e]ra.chat was on gitlab would the MS link be broken for them? | Jul 04 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | psymin: I still can't understand what this means. | Jul 04 19:37 |
| schestowitz | psymin: credibility matters more than - pardon the term - 'newbs | Jul 04 19:37 |
| schestowitz | you end up having to wrestle over basics | Jul 04 19:37 |
| schestowitz | like an IRC channel where we have to have arguments over why Windows sucks | Jul 04 19:38 |
| schestowitz | we have a pOlish-germany person here who for months bragged about wsl and freebsd | Jul 04 19:38 |
| psymin | XRevan86, schestowitz has been talking about libera.chat using microsoft services | Jul 04 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | psymin: Ah, your question was if GitHub is the only tie to Microsoft | Jul 04 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | yes, it is. | Jul 04 19:38 |
| schestowitz | some days ago I wrote several things about the "discoverability" myths | Jul 04 19:39 |
| schestowitz | but it's so old (3 days I think) that it's above my scrollback thresholds | Jul 04 19:39 |
| schestowitz | it's a monopolists' talking point | Jul 04 19:40 |
| psymin | XRevan86, discovery aside, the defacto standard for centralized, closed source, real-time group text chat, seems to be Discord. IRC is a barrier to entry that brings more relevant engagement for free software stuff, in my opinion. | Jul 04 19:40 |
| schestowitz | sales pitch/propaganda line | Jul 04 19:40 |
| schestowitz | join twitter!! | Jul 04 19:40 |
| schestowitz | we have many users!! | Jul 04 19:40 |
| schestowitz | (they don't) | Jul 04 19:40 |
| schestowitz | many not active, lots of "follower farms", little engagement or low-quality "engagement" (their term) | Jul 04 19:40 |
| psymin | my experience with warfork on discord really turned me off to public discord communities for a bit, I have strong bias now. | Jul 04 19:40 |
| schestowitz | in 2016 I got 22+ million impressions in a month | Jul 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | now it's like barely a million | Jul 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | and who knows how Twitter calculates it, they might fake it like fakebook does | Jul 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | to drive up ad prices | Jul 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | btw | Jul 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | re shithub | Jul 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | linuxWasRight | Jul 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | shithub would bring bad code | Jul 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | if you cannot use git command and email | Jul 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | then bye bye | Jul 04 19:42 |
| MinceR | my experience with dicksword users over gateways to IRC really turned me off public dicksword communities | Jul 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | no loss | Jul 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | your code was likely not worth the review time anyway | Jul 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | hooking up kernel.org with more vandals via shithub has a cautionary tale now | Jul 04 19:43 |
| schestowitz | known as University of Minnesota | Jul 04 19:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/150248 | Jul 04 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Here’s Why University of Minnesota is Likely to be Banned from Contributing to Linux Kernel Code | Tux Machines | Jul 04 19:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/04/27/university-of-minnesota-linux/ | Jul 04 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | University of Minnesota Has Destroyed Itself (or Its Reputation) by Trying to Destroy Linux and the Credibility of Linux | Techrights | Jul 04 19:43 | |
| schestowitz | shithub opens up the door to more such vandals | Jul 04 19:43 |
| psymin | MinceR, yeah, there is a huge cultural difference. Tribes / cliques seem to curate different cultures on the different platforms, even with the same topic. | Jul 04 19:43 |
| schestowitz | who don't even don a glorified email tld | Jul 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | like a .edu | Jul 04 19:44 |
| MinceR | also a huge intelligence difference | Jul 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | something at microsoft dot com | Jul 04 19:44 |
| MinceR | i haven't spoken to people that dumb in a long time | Jul 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I'm happy it's harder to comment in TR now | Jul 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | I don't need to think wtf to do with a "qanon" comment on my gates foundation articles | Jul 04 19:45 |
| schestowitz | few of them tried to come to irc | Jul 04 19:45 |
| psymin | MinceR, I'm pretty dumb | Jul 04 19:45 |
| schestowitz | couldn't even follow the conversation and then left | Jul 04 19:45 |
| schestowitz | we never had to ban them, they just didn't fit in | Jul 04 19:46 |
| schestowitz | we might not fit into some irc networks | Jul 04 19:46 |
| schestowitz | esp. if we criticised while within | Jul 04 19:46 |
| psymin | community guidelines / community curation is a tricky thing | Jul 04 19:46 |
| schestowitz | freenode has not (yet) threatens to kick us out for criticising them | Jul 04 19:46 |
| schestowitz | *threatened | Jul 04 19:46 |
| schestowitz | and we DID test some boundaries | Jul 04 19:46 |
| techrights-news | "On remand, the Federal Circuit will consider how these caveats play into the specific case here where the claims were apparently changed substantially post-assignment." #patents #patent #cafc #scotus https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/assignor-estoppel-specifically.html | Jul 04 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Assignor Estoppel Persists -- But Only for Claims Specifically Assigned | Jul 04 19:47 | |
| MinceR | psymin: you're not even close to being as dumb as the people i'm talking about | Jul 04 19:47 |
| schestowitz | gamingOnLinux has some discord "channel" or whatever they call it | Jul 04 19:48 |
| schestowitz | liam wrote about it when the fake software company wanted to take over it | Jul 04 19:48 |
| schestowitz | liam dawe wasn't too happy | Jul 04 19:48 |
| schestowitz | but he had invested in a dodgy platform | Jul 04 19:48 |
| schestowitz | shithub is a loss leader | Jul 04 19:49 |
| schestowitz | they might start charging one day | Jul 04 19:49 |
| schestowitz | for all accounts | Jul 04 19:49 |
| schestowitz | losses: http://techrights.org/2020/04/08/githug/ | Jul 04 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHug – A Guest Article by Thomas Grzybowski | Techrights | Jul 04 19:49 | |
| schestowitz | also loss of projects (new ones) http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/ | Jul 04 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights | Jul 04 19:50 | |
| schestowitz | so bad decision, bad logistics longtime | Jul 04 19:50 |
| schestowitz | freenode was shaky all year | Jul 04 19:50 |
| schestowitz | and we tried to work behind the scenes (email etc.) to prevent this fracturing | Jul 04 19:51 |
| schestowitz | now we're partitioned into 3 networks | Jul 04 19:51 |
| schestowitz | but because IRC as a protocol is not proprietary we're still surviving OK | Jul 04 19:51 |
| schestowitz | 43 users here, 53 in freenode, 31 in LC (who really ought not be there) | Jul 04 19:52 |
| schestowitz | some projects died completely because of bad choices | Jul 04 19:52 |
| schestowitz | data losses, buyouts, service shutdowns | Jul 04 19:53 |
| schestowitz | some "journalists" wrote for publishers that became defunct | Jul 04 19:53 |
| psymin | I don't use the gol discord, I might be on it though. | Jul 04 19:53 |
| schestowitz | so not only were they rendered unemployed; all their hard work (articles) is now offline | Jul 04 19:53 |
| schestowitz | they were so burned and demoralised by those whole thing that they just sought a career change | Jul 04 19:53 |
| techrights-news | #Patents are not about freedom to operate but the exact opposite https://www.keltie.com/knowledge/why-its-important-to-file-oppositions-at-the-epo-to-increase-your-freedom-to-operate see http://techrights.org/2017/10/27/keltie-llp-swpats/ and http://techrights.org/2017/09/27/ip-europe-and-epo-again/ | Jul 04 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.keltie.com | Why It’s Important to File Oppositions at the EPO to Increase Your Freedom to Operate | Jul 04 19:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Keltie LLP Advertises Dodging Patent Rules (Software Patents) and Dodging Tax | Techrights | Jul 04 19:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Now a Megaphone of IP Europe, a Front Group of Patent Maximalists | Techrights | Jul 04 19:55 | |
| techrights-news | Lots of this is just bogus and phony #softwarepatents with misleading descriptions piggybacking hype and novel-sounding acronyms https://www.mondaq.com/patent/1086792/analysis-of-patent-filing-trends-on-self-driving-technologies-and-maas-related-technologies #swpats http://techrights.org/2016/04/10/car-innovation-and-swpats/ | Jul 04 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Analysis Of Patent Filing Trends On Self-Driving Technologies And MaaS-related Technologies - Intellectual Property - Japan | Jul 04 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | With Software Patents in Autonomous Cars Few Giants Want a Monopoly on Driving, Not Just Physical Car Components | Techrights | Jul 04 19:57 | |
| techrights-news | Maybe they should solve problems instead of looking to just monopolise alleged solutions (or 'monetise' Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s) https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/157899/us-grants-new-patent-targeting-major-neurodegenerative-diseases/ #patent #patents #monopolies | Jul 04 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/157899/us-grants-new-patent-targeting-major-neurodegenerative-diseases/ ) | Jul 04 19:59 | |
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| *activelow (~activelow@7au7cchx5x986.irc) has joined #techrights | Jul 04 20:01 | |
| techrights-news | "Hit the nail on the head that AK hates sales people. He’s moving to a model where the tech folks are going to be the point of contact. He’s gutting the sales organization. He has no idea what sales people do [...] This is going to be fun to watch as someone who left ibm earlier this year." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bFu5faU#replies | Jul 04 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Could this be a good thing? - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jul 04 20:03 | |
| techrights-news | "maybe IBM are now going to blue wash red hat, so Jim had to go." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bELGiJP#replies #ibm #redhat (Comment 9 hours old) | Jul 04 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Jim Whitehurst and Bridget van Kralingen are out in an IBM leadership shakeup - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jul 04 20:04 | |
| techrights-news | Whitehurst was not pushed out. http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/whitehurst-gave-up/ | Jul 04 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Whitehurst Was Always Very Optimistic and Positive But With IBM in Charge He No Longer Is | Techrights | Jul 04 20:05 | |
| techrights-news | Links 4/7/2021: Raspberry Digital Signage 16.0 and Lots About Patents • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/raspberry-digital-signage/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/raspberry-digital-signage/ | Jul 04 20:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/7/2021: Raspberry Digital Signage 16.0 and Lots About Patents | Techrights | Jul 04 20:14 | |
| techrights-news | 15 more signatures and "open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" will have 6,800 in total. Then I'll plot the graphs again. #failedCoup #fsf #gnu #rms | Jul 04 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | https://fedoramagazine.org/mount-cue-bin-image-files-with-cdemu/ | Jul 04 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Mount cue/bin image files with CDemu - Fedora Magazine | Jul 04 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: are you preparing for repair? | Jul 04 20:40 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/05/20/224bde28070e29bc.jpg | Jul 04 20:41 |
| techrights-news | OK, well, I've decided to plot the two letters re #RMS earlier than first planned. Coming soon, running the computation on the two git repos. | Jul 04 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | The laptop is at Lenovo right now. | Jul 04 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | So hopefully it comes back soon. | Jul 04 20:45 |
| techrights-news | #9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 4th, 2021 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153027 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 20:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 4th, 2021 | Tux Machines | Jul 04 20:45 | |
| techrights-news | #Ardour 6.8 Released With A Bunch of New Features and Bug Fixes • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153028 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 20:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ardour 6.8 Released With A Bunch of New Features and Bug Fixes | Tux Machines | Jul 04 20:46 | |
| MinceR | https://nitter.fdn.fr/roustem/status/1411744813037334530 https://twitter.com/roustem/status/1411744813037334530 | Jul 04 20:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.fdn.fr | Roustem Karimov (@roustem): "“In Kubernetes, secrets are base64 encoded, so they are quite secure.” https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/managing-secrets-kubernetes-pods" | FDNitter | Jul 04 20:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@roustem: “In Kubernetes, secrets are base64 encoded, so they are quite secure.” https://t.co/mCthbRB3W3 | Jul 04 20:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.redhat.com | Managing secrets for Kubernetes pods | Enable Sysadmin | Jul 04 20:58 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▆▄▃▂▄▅▅▆▅▆▂▅▂▃▄▃▄▅▂▅▅▄▅▂▁▄▃▁▂▅▃▂▁ avg(k/sec) 18.81 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▁█▁▁▂▂▂▃▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁█▁███▂██▃▁█▁ avg(k/sec) 108.88▕ swarm size (avg): 306.49 ⟲ | Jul 04 21:01 |
| techrights-news | Petitions Update: Anti-Richard Stallman Letter (Call for Removal) Likely to Fall to 2000s and Support Letter to Exceed 7,000 Signatures by End of Summer • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/2-rms-petitions-in-july/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/2-rms-petitions-in-july/ | Jul 04 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Petitions Update: Anti-Richard Stallman Letter (Call for Removal) Likely to Fall to 2000s and Support Letter to Exceed 7,000 Signatures by End of Summer | Techrights | Jul 04 21:03 | |
| *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights | Jul 04 21:05 | |
| techrights-news | #RichardStallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ | Jul 04 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) | Techrights | Jul 04 21:05 | |
| techrights-news | #ibm #redhat https://nitter.fdn.fr/roustem/status/1411744813037334530 | Jul 04 21:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I like the video clip | Jul 04 21:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/omatachyru/status/1411759210061250567 | Jul 04 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@omatachyru: @TwitchiH @whitingdev @roustem I don't think we need this, the author is probably having a bad enough day as it is.… https://t.co/vmEJwlExiI | Jul 04 21:07 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 21:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't think we need this, the author is probably having a bad enough day as it is. Maybe give the author a break and realize that we all make mistakes. | Jul 04 21:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure some of my articles have small errors that slip through the cracks too. | Jul 04 21:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Alluding to Allowhurst? | Jul 04 21:07 |
| MinceR | true, i made mistakes too | Jul 04 21:07 |
| MinceR | like using rh/ibm products | Jul 04 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo support still uses IBM mail addresses. | Jul 04 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | They'll probably move in to scrape up what's left of IBM at some point anyway I guess. | Jul 04 21:10 |
| schestowitz | when the brand IBM becomes a liability | Jul 04 21:11 |
| schestowitz | for lenovo it was historically the opposite | Jul 04 21:11 |
| schestowitz | because some "chinese company" seemed less legit then "big blue" | Jul 04 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | They'll wait until IBM is worth pennies and negoatiate the sale of the rest of the company. | Jul 04 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | Probably a lot of it will be agreeing to assume debt. | Jul 04 21:13 |
| MinceR | if only that chinese company didn't fuck up so many of the valuable things they bought | Jul 04 21:15 |
| MinceR | like the TrackPoint and the keyboard | Jul 04 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/hVlAzo9nPgc so much sass | Jul 04 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[1317] EXCLUSIVE Footage of Slash Testing In Progress! - YouTube | Jul 04 21:16 | |
| techrights-news | Reference For Preliminary Ruling In The #Nokia #Daimler Dispute Falls As Daimler Signs A #Patent Licensing Agreement https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1085334/reference-for-preliminary-ruling-in-the-nokia-daimler-dispute-falls-as-daimler-signs-a-patent-licensing-agreement #microsoft killed Nokia. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia | Jul 04 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Reference For Preliminary Ruling In The Nokia Daimler Dispute Falls As Daimler Signs A Patent Licensing Agreement - Intellectual Property - European Union | Jul 04 21:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - Techrights | Jul 04 21:17 | |
| techrights-news | "The #USPTO Notice focuses on prophetic examples stemming from experimental results, and thus remains to be seen whether the requirements will be practically extended to situations involving prophetic embodiments and use-cases presented without any experimental results." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/disclosed-embodiments-prophetic.html | Jul 04 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Do you Tell the PTO that the Disclosed Embodiments are Merely Prophetic? | Jul 04 21:20 | |
| techrights-news | Judging by the pace of removal from the hate letter and the speed at which “open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation” grows (15 more signatures until 6,800 in total) we predict that in a couple of months the gap will widen... http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/2-rms-petitions-in-july/ | Jul 04 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Petitions Update: Anti-Richard Stallman Letter (Call for Removal) Likely to Fall to 2000s and Support Letter to Exceed 7,000 Signatures by End of Summer | Techrights | Jul 04 21:21 | |
| techrights-news | #Switzerland talk by #rms 4 months before #mit turned against him in collusion with media eager to distract from what #billgates had done with J. Epstein in MIT. http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ | Jul 04 21:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) | Techrights | Jul 04 21:22 | |
| techrights-news | Terms like "harmonising #EU case law" sound like the toxic and unconstitutional agenda of #TeamUPC https://www.managingip.com/article/b1shyt2qhbcryg/doctrine-of-equivalents-still-murky-despite-birss-ruling-lawyers #uk #Actavis | Jul 04 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Doctrine of equivalents still murky despite Birss ruling: lawyers | Managing Intellectual Property | Jul 04 21:24 | |
| techrights-news | "In the decision of 7 October 2020, the BGH annulled the appeal court’s judgment that had found the community design No. 001344022-0006 invalid." #patent http://trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/23/patent-and-design-protection-not-mutually-exclusive-paper-dispenser-decision-of-the-german-federal-court-of-justice/ | Jul 04 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com | Patent and design protection not mutually exclusive – “Paper Dispenser” decision of the German Federal Court of Justice - Kluwer Trademark Blog | Jul 04 21:27 | |
| techrights-news | "From 1 September 2021, an application for registration of a #trademark or appellation of origin of goods within the EАEU may be filed with any IP office of a member country." https://www.marques.org/blogs/class46/?XID=BHA5004 | Jul 04 21:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marques.org | MARQUES | Jul 04 21:28 | |
| techrights-news | The #Beijing Treaty: A step forward in the protection of related rights in audiovisual performances http://copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/18/the-beijing-treaty-a-step-forward-in-the-protection-of-related-rights-in-audiovisual-performances/ #china #cn | Jul 04 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.com | The Beijing Treaty: A step forward in the protection of related rights in audiovisual performances - Kluwer Copyright Blog | Jul 04 21:29 | |
| techrights-news | The Brazilian Supreme Court defines the effects of the decision declaring the unconstitutionality of the sole paragraph of article 40 of the Industrial Property Law https://iptango.blogspot.com/2021/06/guest-post-brazilian-supreme-court.html | Jul 04 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iptango.blogspot.com | [Guest Post] The Brazilian Supreme Court defines the effects of the decision declaring the unconstitutionality of the sole paragraph of article 40 of the Industrial Property Law - IPTango | Jul 04 21:30 | |
| techrights-news | "This analysis raises a wider question around the value of product design and what mark is adopted in the first place and why." http://trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/25/tefal-spot-the-difference-consumers-apparently-cant/ | Jul 04 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com | TEFAL: Spot the difference? Consumers apparently can't. - Kluwer Trademark Blog | Jul 04 21:31 | |
| techrights-news | Campaign highlights risks and damages of IPR infringement https://www.marques.org/blogs/class46/?XID=BHA5007 "It is part of the annual Pan-European Media Campaign and also marked World Anti-Counterfeiting Day on 8 June." #euipo is corrupt http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO | Jul 04 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marques.org | MARQUES | Jul 04 21:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights | Jul 04 21:33 | |
| techrights-news | Linux Gets New Thermal Driver Code Ahead of Alder Lake - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-int340x-Alder-Lake ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest | Jul 04 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Gets New Thermal Driver Code Ahead of Alder Lake - Phoronix | Jul 04 21:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jul 04 21:34 | |
| techrights-news | #DuckDuckGo is a #privacy #scam that 'FOSS' sites ought not promote or endorse https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/search-duckduckgo-from-terminal-ubuntu/ see http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/duckduckgo-in-2021/ | Jul 04 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuhandbook.org | Search DuckDuckGo from Terminal in Ubuntu Linux via ddgr Command | UbuntuHandbook | Jul 04 21:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why You Should Avoid DuckDuckGo (DDG) 2021 Edition, Now Microsoft-Hosted and With Extra Privacy Risks | Techrights | Jul 04 21:37 | |
| techrights-news | LOL. #TheLinuxExperiment : "What can desktop Linux learn from [Microsoft malware]" (just now)... can we please stop comparing #VAPOURWARE to REAL products that exist today, such as #gnu #linux distros? Thanks. | Jul 04 21:38 |
| techrights-news | Celebrating clear misuse of the "Linux" mark to promote listening devices that are invasive https://analyticsindiamag.com/voice-interoperability-movement-gathers-momentum-thanks-to-linux-foundation/ see http://techrights.org/2021/06/23/linux-foundation-and-linux-brand/ | Jul 04 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-analyticsindiamag.com | Voice Interoperability Movement Gathers Momentum, Thanks To Linux | Jul 04 21:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Time for Linus Torvalds to Enforce and Protect His Brand From Misuse by His Employer, the So-called ‘Linux’ Foundation | Techrights | Jul 04 21:44 | |
| psydroid_ | so apparently Audacity doesn't build against upstream and distro sources anymore, but they are maintaining their own forks for several libraries | Jul 04 21:44 |
| CrystalMath | psydroid_: eh, that's dumb | Jul 04 21:45 |
| psydroid_ | that's not what it was like a decade ago and it's a mess | Jul 04 21:45 |
| psydroid_ | indeed | Jul 04 21:45 |
| psydroid_ | https://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Building_for_Distros | Jul 04 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.audacityteam.org | Building for Distros - Audacity Wiki | Jul 04 21:45 | |
| CrystalMath | but i mean, i have 2.3.2 | Jul 04 21:46 |
| CrystalMath | why would i ever upgrade it? :P | Jul 04 21:46 |
| psydroid_ | I cloned the sources before the telemetry merge request :) | Jul 04 21:46 |
| CrystalMath | which version was that? | Jul 04 21:46 |
| psydroid_ | but I really think the project should be forked and fixed | Jul 04 21:46 |
| schestowitz | it'll happen, depending on what they do | Jul 04 21:47 |
| schestowitz | they know it | Jul 04 21:47 |
| schestowitz | actually, it doesn't need to be forked | Jul 04 21:47 |
| schestowitz | we already exercise power | Jul 04 21:47 |
| schestowitz | by expressing possible intend to fork | Jul 04 21:47 |
| schestowitz | which keeps them honest | Jul 04 21:47 |
| schestowitz | it's a deterrence strategy and so far it has mostly worked | Jul 04 21:47 |
| CrystalMath | you can also patch the telemetry out | Jul 04 21:48 |
| CrystalMath | and distribute audacity with that patch | Jul 04 21:48 |
| schestowitz | notice when they published the page, July 3rd | Jul 04 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Saturday, a day before some special day too | Jul 04 21:48 |
| psydroid_ | CrystalMath, I think it was after 3.0.2 | Jul 04 21:49 |
| psydroid_ | I cloned the sources as soon as the news about the telemetry thing broke | Jul 04 21:49 |
| psydroid_ | we were talking about it here on the channel on that day | Jul 04 21:50 |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153029 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 04 21:53 | |
| techrights-news | #VollaPhone X rugged phone is available for pre-order with Ubuntu Touch or Android • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153030 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Volla Phone X rugged phone is available for pre-order with Ubuntu Touch or Android | Tux Machines | Jul 04 21:53 | |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: this is covered in 53:00 in http://techrights.org/?p=146098 | Jul 04 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) | Techrights | Jul 04 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | exactly this point | Jul 04 21:55 |
| techrights-news | #Netflix Not Working on 32-bit Linux? Blame it on Google • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153031 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Netflix Not Working on 32-bit Linux? Blame it on Google | Tux Machines | Jul 04 21:57 | |
| techrights-news | #postmarketOS Release: v21.06 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153032 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 21:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | postmarketOS Release: v21.06 | Tux Machines | Jul 04 21:59 | |
| techrights-news | #NuTyX 21.07.2 available with cards 2.4.132 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153033 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jul 04 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NuTyX 21.07.2 available with cards 2.4.132 | Tux Machines | Jul 04 22:03 | |
| techrights-news | Latest (7 days) #techrights videos http://techrights.org/videos/ | Jul 04 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Index | Jul 04 22:04 | |
| immibis | http://www.darkaudacity.com | Jul 04 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkaudacity.com | Dark Audacity | Jul 04 22:05 | |
| immibis | dunno anything about this fork but someone linked it elsewhere | Jul 04 22:05 |
| techrights-news | In 01:04:00 of this talk #RMS blasts #microsoft #github over #licensing abuse http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ now we know Microsoft also uses GitHub for mass GPL violations... very interesting. This is 2 years ago. | Jul 04 22:07 |
| techrights-news | Reproducible Builds: #ReproducibleBuilds in June 2021 https://reproducible-builds.org/reports/2021-06/ #security | Jul 04 22:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reproducible Builds in June 2021 — reproducible-builds.org | Jul 04 22:07 | |
| techrights-news | "License: GNU Affero General Public License 3" https://sparkylinux.org/nuclear/ | Jul 04 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | Nuclear – SparkyLinux | Jul 04 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | "Ariadne Conill published a detailed blog post this month detailing their work on security issues and concerns in the Alpine Linux distribution. In particular, Ariadne included an interesting section on an effort “to prove the reproducibility of Alpine package builds”:" | Jul 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | https://reproducible-builds.org/reports/2021-06/ | Jul 04 22:09 |
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| techrights-news | #RMS refers to so-called "permissive" (non-reciprocal) licences as "weak licences". He blasts #IBM over it. Months later they worked to 'cancel' him. 01:09:00 in http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ | Jul 04 22:12 |
| techrights-news | "Right now I am actively working on 2 new projects simultaneously. First is preparing the talk for the upcoming #RakuLang Online Conference. It is going to be my personal journey to Raku." http://blogs.perl.org/users/mohammad_s_anwar/2021/07/monthly-report---june-2.html | Jul 04 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monthly Report - June | Mohammad S Anwar [blogs.perl.org] | Jul 04 22:13 | |
| techrights-news | 2019 RMS (01:12:00): "How does #IBM react to copyleft?" http://techrights.org/?p=146098 "if we allowed IBM to make a proprietary modified version, it might do that instead." | Jul 04 22:14 |
| techrights-news | Updates: #Calamares and #QML • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153034 #kde #gnu #linux | Jul 04 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Updates: Calamares and QML | Tux Machines | Jul 04 22:17 | |
| techrights-news | Editing and deleting mistakes… and events too — #Kalendar week 4 ( #GSoC 2021) https://claudiocambra.com/2021/07/04/editing-and-deleting-mistakes-and-events-too-kalendar-week-4-gsoc-2021/ #kde | Jul 04 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-claudiocambra.com | Editing and deleting mistakes… and events too — Kalendar week 4 (GSoC 2021) – Claudio Cambra | Jul 04 22:18 | |
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| phobos/fn | https://ibmprojects.com/ | Jul 04 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ibmprojects.com | Home | IBM Projects | Jul 04 22:26 | |
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| techrights-news | #5 Popular Free and Open Source VPN’s • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153035 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw | Jul 04 22:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Popular Free and Open Source VPN’s | Tux Machines | Jul 04 22:30 | |
| techrights-news | Linux 5.14 Picks Up Support For New Sound Hardware, Including Alder Lake M - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-Sound ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest | Jul 04 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 Picks Up Support For New Sound Hardware, Including Alder Lake M - Phoronix | Jul 04 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jul 04 22:31 | |
| techrights-news | #CentOS Stream: Everything You Need to Know About it • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153036 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #IBM | Jul 04 22:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS Stream: Everything You Need to Know About it | Tux Machines | Jul 04 22:33 | |
| techrights-news | "Has America (US actually) strayed from its founding ideals? An activist and a refugee think Bitcoin can help it get back on track." https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/bitcoin-and-the-american-idea | Jul 04 22:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bitcoinmagazine.com | Bitcoin And The American Idea - Bitcoin Magazine: Bitcoin News, Articles, Charts, and Guides | Jul 04 22:37 | |
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| techrights-news | #Audacity 3.0 called spyware over data collection changes by new owner http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153021#comment-30141 #freesw or #gpl licence will give us collective deterrence now | Jul 04 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audacity is now a Possible Spyware, Remove it ASAP | Tux Machines | Jul 04 22:40 | |
| techrights-news | [Meme] Outsourcing #Audacity Development to Microsoft Proprietary Software and Then Copying Microsoft Tactics (and ’Telemetry’) • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/telemetry-in-audacity/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/audacity-and-muse-group/ | Jul 04 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Outsourcing Audacity Development to Microsoft Proprietary Software and Then Copying Microsoft Tactics (and ‘Telemetry’) | Techrights | Jul 04 22:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Audacity Takeover by Muse Group is No Cause for Celebration | Techrights | Jul 04 22:41 | |
| techrights-news | So Cormier is sticking around to run RH. It's only a matter of time before he's gone too. . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYXLedRLur0 https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bFQRoEF #ibm #redhat | Jul 04 22:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM CEO to CNBC: Paul Cormier is staying, running Red Hat - YouTube | Jul 04 22:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM CEO to CNBC: Paul Cormier is staying, running Red Hat - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jul 04 22:43 | |
| techrights-news | "Whoever posted Tom is a solid executive, leader and person never worked for him. Ask any one in the system organization, he is hated big time. He is fake and a big time narcissist and just reads scripted messages and has questions planted in the audience at town halls." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bEhoBch#replies | Jul 04 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM chief Arvind Krishna cements his position as heir apparent quits - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jul 04 22:44 | |
| techrights-news | Haha! "We all know the real reason Jim Whitehurst left was because he had "white" in his name and the SJWs over in Austin (JT) petitioned to remove him from the company to improve our "inclusive" culture." 'Stole' my joke? https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bDVckyc#replies | Jul 04 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | WhiteHurst - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jul 04 22:45 | |
| techrights-news | #ibm has been struggling for over a decade, walking on eggshells this past year, and now in total "headless chicken" mode. #microsoft is next. They never evolved properly. Thought they can just buy companies to regain relevance. | Jul 04 22:47 |
| Ariadne | microsoft is now | Jul 04 22:47 |
| Ariadne | copilot was a huge mistake for them | Jul 04 22:47 |
| gustaf | it feels very tone-deaf | Jul 04 22:49 |
| techrights-news | "The #EPO Technical Board of Appeal later revoked the #patent for the medication, which is used to treat hypertension, blood pressure and similar heart..." https://www.law360.com/ip/articles/1399887 | Jul 04 22:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Servier Beats NHS' £220M Drug IP Suit At Top UK Court - Law360 | Jul 04 22:50 | |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I watched something interesting about this an hour ago | Jul 04 22:51 |
| schestowitz | [22:07] <techrights-news> In 01:04:00 of this talk #RMS blasts #microsoft #github over #licensing abuse http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ now we know Microsoft also uses GitHub for mass GPL violations... very interesting. This is 2 years ago. | Jul 04 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) | Techrights | Jul 04 22:51 | |
| schestowitz | he said that GitHub was already attacking the concept of freesw licensing | Jul 04 22:51 |
| schestowitz | and that when Microsoft took over he wasn't sure if they're made it even worse | Jul 04 22:51 |
| schestowitz | *making | Jul 04 22:51 |
| gustaf | are there stats for how popular different licenses are on GH | Jul 04 22:52 |
| gustaf | ? | Jul 04 22:52 |
| gustaf | maybe weighted by popularity? | Jul 04 22:52 |
| gustaf | I'm guessing MIT/BSD wins by a wide margin | Jul 04 22:53 |
| schestowitz | https://www.hortidaily.com/article/9334723/200-000-signatures-in-campaign-to-demand-stop-to-patents-on-seeds/ | Jul 04 22:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hortidaily.com | 200,000 signatures in campaign to demand stop to patents on seeds | Jul 04 22:54 | |
| schestowitz | gustaf: it does not matter | Jul 04 22:54 |
| gustaf | https://github.blog/2015-03-09-open-source-license-usage-on-github-com/ | Jul 04 22:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.blog | Open source license usage on GitHub.com | The GitHub Blog | Jul 04 22:54 | |
| schestowitz | it's biased towards disposition of its users | Jul 04 22:54 |
| schestowitz | we don't even know what proportion of all code is in thee | Jul 04 22:54 |
| schestowitz | *there | Jul 04 22:54 |
| schestowitz | maybe just 20% or less | Jul 04 22:54 |
| schestowitz | a lot will never be put in git either | Jul 04 22:55 |
| schestowitz | the microsoft-funded 'analysts' use Microsoft data | Jul 04 22:55 |
| schestowitz | to use github to mislead the public | Jul 04 22:55 |
| schestowitz | routing people to whatever licences suit microsoft | Jul 04 22:55 |
| schestowitz | they can certainly manipulate GH users | Jul 04 22:56 |
| schestowitz | but not much beyond that | Jul 04 22:56 |
| schestowitz | at least not directly | Jul 04 22:57 |
| schestowitz | they use the media istead | Jul 04 22:57 |
| schestowitz | the "GPL dying" chorus... | Jul 04 22:58 |
| schestowitz | like some of my keyboard is dying at this moment | Jul 04 22:58 |
| schestowitz | so I ca barely type and need to paste in chars | Jul 04 22:58 |
| techrights-news | Avoid #hp ... they make very fault keyboards and then they try to censor you writing about it http://techrights.org/2021/07/02/hp-censorship/ | Jul 04 23:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | HP Products Are Faulty and They Try to Censor Evidence of the Defects | Techrights | Jul 04 23:00 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▅▄▅▃▆▂▃▂▅▂▃▄▃▅▂▃▅▅▂▄▅▃▆▂▁▃▆▄▄▃▄▁ avg(k/sec) 16.78 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▅▆▂▂▄▁▂▁██▁▂▁▁▁▃▃▁▂▁▂▁█▂▃▁▁▂█▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 82.55▕ swarm size (avg): 306.27 ⟲ | Jul 04 23:01 |
| gustaf | lol Twitter is drawing comparisons between fReenode and Audacity | Jul 04 23:03 |
| gustaf | schestowitz: they use this site https://choosealicense.com/ | Jul 04 23:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-choosealicense.com | Choose an open source license | Choose a License | Jul 04 23:04 | |
| XRevan86 | gustaf: Dang, I knew I wasn't unique in that. I did it to annoy CrystalMath though :) | Jul 04 23:04 |
| gustaf | XRevan86: haha what? | Jul 04 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | gustaf: I've made such comparisons earlier today. | Jul 04 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | gustaf: Beginning with "Audacity is being cancelled!" as a starting point :) | Jul 04 23:06 |
| gustaf | ah ok! | Jul 04 23:06 |
| gustaf | I just search for "freenode" on Twitter now and then | Jul 04 23:06 |
| Ariadne | good, audacity should be cancelled | Jul 04 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: I want CrystalMath to experience cognitive dissonance from *wanting* to cancel Audacity. | Jul 04 23:07 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath is a good person, no need to make them experience that :D | Jul 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz | you made some audio programs yourself.. | Jul 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz | at least oe | Jul 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz | *1 | Jul 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz | keyboard f'd | Jul 04 23:08 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: hah | Jul 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Trump was being 'canceled' in an election | Jul 04 23:09 |
| schestowitz | what happens to audacity covered in 53:00 in http://techrights.org/?p=146098 | Jul 04 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) | Techrights | Jul 04 23:14 | |
| schestowitz | how user collectively control the program | Jul 04 23:14 |
| schestowitz | collective control over platforms in irc's case | Jul 04 23:16 |
| schestowitz | the licence just allows you to replicate the platform | Jul 04 23:16 |
| schestowitz | that's software freedom at work | Jul 04 23:16 |
| schestowitz | and a demonstration of its power | Jul 04 23:16 |
| schestowitz | like I said years ago, when glimpse was put forth, there was no strong enough rationale for it | Jul 04 23:17 |
| schestowitz | so it was doomed from the get-go | Jul 04 23:17 |
| schestowitz | it would never get enough devs behind it | Jul 04 23:17 |
| schestowitz | because "gimp" was just some acronym that made sense for like 25 years | Jul 04 23:18 |
| schestowitz | audacity now has a clueless owner, cla, and spying | Jul 04 23:18 |
| schestowitz | so the reasons to move all the team to another branch or for are piling up | Jul 04 23:18 |
| schestowitz | so the 'owner' (in the GPL sense) is controlled by the users | Jul 04 23:18 |
| schestowitz | and THIS IS WHAT WE WANT!!! | Jul 04 23:19 |
| techrights-news | Jumping the #linux shark https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rust-Independence-Linux-Kernel see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ | Jul 04 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Latest Patches Sent Out For Adding Rust Support To The Linux Kernel - Phoronix | Jul 04 23:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights | Jul 04 23:20 | |
| techrights-news | What happens to #audacity right now shows the power, the strength, the advantages of #freesw ... the USERS ARE IN CHARGE. No tyranny by the few. We need everything to be like this... and for #swpats to go to Hell. | Jul 04 23:21 |
| CrystalMath | i think people don't understand what cancel culture means | Jul 04 23:24 |
| CrystalMath | like, for me, cancel culture involves unsubstantiated allegations | Jul 04 23:24 |
| CrystalMath | but for audacity you can just look into the code and find telemetry | Jul 04 23:24 |
| MinceR | people don't want to understand it | Jul 04 23:25 |
| CrystalMath | really what bothers me about this is that people think it's the same when the community attacks something WITH evidence, and when the community attacks something WITHOUT evidence | Jul 04 23:25 |
| CrystalMath | evidence is like the most important thing in the entire world | Jul 04 23:25 |
| MinceR | not to people who adhere to religion or feelings instead | Jul 04 23:27 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: That's definitely not the correct definition. | Jul 04 23:30 |
| schestowitz | what is the defence for it? | Jul 04 23:31 |
| CrystalMath | defense of audacity? | Jul 04 23:33 |
| CrystalMath | i don't know, i haven't looked into that | Jul 04 23:34 |
| CrystalMath | even though i'm the usual devil's advocate here :P | Jul 04 23:34 |
| Ariadne | a company bought audacity, and have embedded spyware into it | Jul 04 23:35 |
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| Ariadne | and have a privacy policy that they will rat you out to the feds | Jul 04 23:35 |
| Ariadne | basically | Jul 04 23:35 |
| CrystalMath | according to the website, telemetry is opt-in | Jul 04 23:35 |
| CrystalMath | i wonder if it's also possible to disable at compile time | Jul 04 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: It's hard to draw the line, but the way ye drew the line is definitely not it, that's just your trying to find a difference between what happened to freenode and what's happening to Audacity. And I don't agree with that there was no evidence either. | Jul 04 23:36 |
| Ariadne | it is | Jul 04 23:36 |
| Ariadne | but why deal with them | Jul 04 23:36 |
| Ariadne | when we can just fork | Jul 04 23:36 |
| Ariadne | :D | Jul 04 23:36 |
| gustaf | I think the Audacity community should continue using Audacity. It was, after all, Audacity that created it | Jul 04 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I have indeed caught up with the reality of things late, but the Libera knew a lot more than ye and I did. | Jul 04 23:36 |
| gustaf | to abandon the app because of some people whining is premature | Jul 04 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | * the Libera people | Jul 04 23:36 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: sure but laziness and lots more fun stuff to do and stuff | Jul 04 23:36 |
| gustaf | I'm sure it will all work out fine in the end | Jul 04 23:37 |
| Ariadne | gustaf: i propose forking the app | Jul 04 23:37 |
| CrystalMath | i mean, ./configure --disable-telemetry | Jul 04 23:37 |
| gustaf | Ariadne: but that sounds disloyal to the Audactiy brand! | Jul 04 23:37 |
| Ariadne | dont care | Jul 04 23:37 |
| CrystalMath | gustaf: well i mean loyalty isn't necessary to free software | Jul 04 23:37 |
| Ariadne | no gods, no masters, no brands | Jul 04 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | okay, this is actually exactly like freenode | Jul 04 23:37 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: how? | Jul 04 23:38 |
| XRevan86 | again with the brand | Jul 04 23:38 |
| gustaf | ok I see my sarcasm isn't really registering ;) | Jul 04 23:38 |
| gustaf | it will be interesting to see how this goes | Jul 04 23:38 |
| XRevan86 | gustaf: Yea, the analogy is good. | Jul 04 23:38 |
| gustaf | I'm sure a lot of projects are looking at waht Audacity is doing and taking notes | Jul 04 23:38 |
| CrystalMath | i mean | Jul 04 23:38 |
| gustaf | telemetry could be a lucrative income stream | Jul 04 23:39 |
| MinceR | 05 003645 < XRevan86> CrystalMath: I have indeed caught up with the reality of things late, but the Libera knew a lot more than ye and I did. | Jul 04 23:39 |
| MinceR | and they would never lie to people, right? | Jul 04 23:39 |
| CrystalMath | i'll just compile audacity with --disable-telemetry | Jul 04 23:39 |
| gustaf | and AFAIK there's no real clause against it in most free software licenses | Jul 04 23:39 |
| CrystalMath | simple, easy fix | Jul 04 23:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Like they were saying that rasengan is a loon trumpist, and I didn't believe them. And then it turned out that he is. | Jul 04 23:39 |
| CrystalMath | and maybe also firejail it with net=none | Jul 04 23:39 |
| XRevan86 | Are they liars because the truth didn't register with us back then? | Jul 04 23:40 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: that says nothing to me about whether i want to use freenode or not | Jul 04 23:40 |
| CrystalMath | i mean, i'm not a loon anti-trumpist | Jul 04 23:40 |
| gustaf | Adobe has become a stock market darling by essentially mandating phone-home software | Jul 04 23:40 |
| CrystalMath | so i don't really care | Jul 04 23:40 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: It's what people call "an example" | Jul 04 23:40 |
| CrystalMath | i'm okay with the owner of freenode believing in Trump, and if he believes in free speech too, that's actually *great* then | Jul 04 23:40 |
| CrystalMath | freenode was missing free speech before | Jul 04 23:41 |
| CrystalMath | there were problems because of that | Jul 04 23:41 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Yea, freenode will drain the swamp of toxic channels | Jul 04 23:41 |
| XRevan86 | that's what was promised to us | Jul 04 23:41 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: ah, so one thing they said was true, therefore everything they said was true | Jul 04 23:41 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: where does that put the libera staffers who signed a letter attacking RMS based on the signers' failure to understand written english and/or hearsay? | Jul 04 23:42 |
| gustaf | adding spyware to a program is free speech - change my mind | Jul 04 23:42 |
| CrystalMath | gustaf: heh | Jul 04 23:42 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: shall we redefine truth to make them right about that too? | Jul 04 23:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It all boils down to that letter? | Jul 04 23:42 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: no | Jul 04 23:42 |
| CrystalMath | gustaf: tbh i wouldn't disallow it, if it's a free software program it can be removed, if it's not a free program you shouldn't use it anyway | Jul 04 23:42 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: it boils down to the word of some people (who probably heard nearly everything they wrote from tomaw) against the word of another person, and we having zero reason to trust any of those people | Jul 04 23:43 |
| CrystalMath | and audacity made it easy to remove the telemetry features | Jul 04 23:43 |
| techrights-news | #zdnet is now a #microsoft #vapourware spamming machine | Jul 04 23:43 |
| gustaf | ...for now | Jul 04 23:43 |
| MinceR | 05 004057 < CrystalMath> i'm okay with the owner of freenode believing in Trump, and if he believes in free speech too, that's actually *great* then | Jul 04 23:43 |
| MinceR | are lolrandom zlines "believing in free speech" too? | Jul 04 23:43 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: you mean because of exceeding the connection limit? | Jul 04 23:44 |
| MinceR | it wasn't justified | Jul 04 23:44 |
| techrights-news | #zdnet and #techrepublic (same #marketing company): a propaganda front for two dying giants that think their sole problem is marketing (not enough spamming) and cannot produce compelling stuff | Jul 04 23:44 |
| CrystalMath | only bots got z-lined | Jul 04 23:44 |
| MinceR | right | Jul 04 23:44 |
| MinceR | bots like schestowitz | Jul 04 23:44 |
| gustaf | haha | Jul 04 23:44 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: ah, well some people got caught in a z-line that was intended against a bot | Jul 04 23:44 |
| CrystalMath | one of my friends as well | Jul 04 23:44 |
| MinceR | is that free speech? | Jul 04 23:44 |
| CrystalMath | yes | Jul 04 23:44 |
| MinceR | interesting | Jul 04 23:45 |
| CrystalMath | it's a mistake | Jul 04 23:45 |
| CrystalMath | nobody was banned for speech | Jul 04 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Do ye want to go through what's been said by the staff? | Jul 04 23:45 |
| MinceR | there are too many damn mistakes in the operation of freenode | Jul 04 23:45 |
| schestowitz | [23:43] <CrystalMath> and audacity made it easy to remove the telemetry features | Jul 04 23:45 |
| gustaf | moderation is free speech... the free speech of an orgnization | Jul 04 23:45 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: no, i already have | Jul 04 23:45 |
| schestowitz | it should be removed at source level | Jul 04 23:45 |
| schestowitz | and eradicated | Jul 04 23:45 |
| schestowitz | it's a bug | Jul 04 23:45 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: actually it was that new ircd that made it hard to even see who's affected | Jul 04 23:45 |
| schestowitz | in two sense of the word | Jul 04 23:45 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it took a while to figure out what z-line affected my friend | Jul 04 23:45 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: maybe you want to go over the evidence the staff presented for their arguments... oh wait, they didn't present any. | Jul 04 23:45 |
| CrystalMath | but really this can be solved | Jul 04 23:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://kline.sh/ point out a lie in the first three paragraphs here for instance | Jul 04 23:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kline.sh | freenode now belongs to Andrew Lee, and I'm leaving for a new network. | Jul 04 23:46 | |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: yes, by using an ircd the staff understands and has read the documentation for | Jul 04 23:46 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i don't know which parts are lies, as we don't know the facts, only the words of one faction against another | Jul 04 23:46 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: but if you have objective evidence, you're welcome to present it to the world | Jul 04 23:46 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: it's quite clear that they can't all be right | Jul 04 23:47 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: well okay, the first 3 paragraphs only really say "well it looks like my oligarchy is being replaced with some other oligarchy, i can't stand for that, so i'm gonna create an oligarchy-in-exile somewhere" | Jul 04 23:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they can be alright | Jul 04 23:47 |
| gustaf | MinceR: regardless of what old Freenode staffers did or did not sign, rasengan and his goons literally kicked off the FSF from Freenode | Jul 04 23:47 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i may see it as true, but i don't really see it as bad | Jul 04 23:48 |
| gustaf | and RMS himself is fine with FSF hosting their IRC on Libera | Jul 04 23:48 |
| MinceR | and so the FSF ran into the arms of the people who wanted to cancel them | Jul 04 23:48 |
| MinceR | RIP, FSF | Jul 04 23:48 |
| gustaf | dude, it's *IRC* | Jul 04 23:48 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: someone always has operational control over the network, and i'd rather have Andrew Lee than Fuchs | Jul 04 23:48 |
| gustaf | hardly crucial | Jul 04 23:48 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I've seen so many "Navalny just wants to replace Putin as the tsar, there's no point", and I… am tired of this. | Jul 04 23:48 |
| MinceR | yeah, IRC ran by anti-free software SJWs | Jul 04 23:48 |
| MinceR | also where the FSF kept some of their meetings | Jul 04 23:48 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: For Fuchs sake! | Jul 04 23:48 |
| gustaf | mailing list access is way more important to the FSF | Jul 04 23:48 |
| schestowitz | relativism | Jul 04 23:49 |
| schestowitz | my hand is more important than a leg | Jul 04 23:49 |
| MinceR | but if they declared some other medium as being more important than mailing lists, it would be OK to run their mailing lists at microsoft? | Jul 04 23:49 |
| schestowitz | can I keep both, please? | Jul 04 23:49 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: rasengan is someone I already know is a liar, about Fuchs all I have is untrustworthy. | Jul 04 23:49 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: so you want to look at *how* the network is run? okay, let's go to liberia's main channel and talk about how great Trump is, and how great Bernie is, as a test; which network will ban us? | Jul 04 23:49 |
| CrystalMath | i mean on both networks | Jul 04 23:50 |
| XRevan86 | so of course we can just go the "we don't know the whole truth" and just agree that literally everyone is a bad person | Jul 04 23:50 |
| gustaf | uh, that's off-topic on Libera | Jul 04 23:50 |
| schestowitz | on both | Jul 04 23:50 |
| gustaf | really? | Jul 04 23:50 |
| schestowitz | unless freenode realised all of "FOSS" left | Jul 04 23:50 |
| gustaf | oh yeah the topic says no politics | Jul 04 23:50 |
| schestowitz | and now they need to reinvent themselves somehow | Jul 04 23:50 |
| gustaf | CrystalMath: moderation is speech | Jul 04 23:50 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I could always get myself banned by asking **on**-topic things on freenode. | Jul 04 23:50 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: right it's not a good test, hmm... let me think | Jul 04 23:51 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: we already _know_ there are bad persons on both sides | Jul 04 23:51 |
| CrystalMath | it would have to be a long term thing | Jul 04 23:51 |
| MinceR | and also at oftc | Jul 04 23:51 |
| CrystalMath | like creating a far-right and far-left channel on both networks | Jul 04 23:51 |
| schestowitz | since 2009 our way for dealing with OT was branch out to a -social channel | Jul 04 23:51 |
| schestowitz | what is alt left? | Jul 04 23:52 |
| schestowitz | lol! | Jul 04 23:52 |
| schestowitz | you're like Trump now | Jul 04 23:52 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: A pro-Hitler and a pro-Stalin channels | Jul 04 23:52 |
| CrystalMath | i didn't say alt-left | Jul 04 23:52 |
| schestowitz | or the friends of HRC | Jul 04 23:52 |
| schestowitz | who made up that ridiculous term | Jul 04 23:52 |
| schestowitz | later weaponised by Cheeto | Jul 04 23:52 |
| XRevan86 | and then when both get banned, we'll call Libera centrist | Jul 04 23:52 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: no, it's anti-free speech | Jul 04 23:52 |
| CrystalMath | i want a network that will allow BOTH | Jul 04 23:52 |
| CrystalMath | i don't want either of them banned | Jul 04 23:53 |
| schestowitz | what is far left? | Jul 04 23:53 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: CrystalMath had no problems with my using Stalin as one, so I guess tankies. | Jul 04 23:53 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: so go to a political network | Jul 04 23:53 |
| schestowitz | StaliNET | Jul 04 23:54 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: that's bullcrap, because free software programmers do politics too | Jul 04 23:54 |
| CrystalMath | it's not possible to escape it | Jul 04 23:54 |
| CrystalMath | politics comes up ALL THE TIME | Jul 04 23:54 |
| schestowitz | but not as main topic | Jul 04 23:54 |
| MinceR | politics have invaded free software | Jul 04 23:54 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Like "burn all the Jews", just natural discourse. | Jul 04 23:55 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: it does make sense to take it to a separate channel | Jul 04 23:55 |
| CrystalMath | but a separate network? that's kinda getting too tyrannical | Jul 04 23:55 |
| CrystalMath | better just use the network that allows it | Jul 04 23:55 |
| techrights-news | "The Waterford UPSTART Program is free to low-income families with 4-year-old children in six districts across the state." https://www.fox6now.com/news/software-program-bridges-the-education-gap but it needs to be #freesw | Jul 04 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fox6now.com | Software program bridges the education gap | Jul 04 23:56 | |
| MinceR | rather, if you can find a network that allows it, you might as well use it for the other discourse as well | Jul 04 23:56 |
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| CrystalMath | MinceR: yeah that's what i meant | Jul 04 23:57 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yea, one can always discuss *both* burning the Jews *and* which filesystem to use on a NAS. | Jul 04 23:58 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: at the same time? | Jul 04 23:58 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: in the same datacentre | Jul 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | oh, btw | Jul 04 23:59 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: sounds like IBM | Jul 04 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | tuxmachines was banned by gab | Jul 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | ages ago | Jul 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | nazis ok | Jul 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | freesw bad bad | Jul 04 23:59 |
| CrystalMath | yeah okay you told me about gab | Jul 04 23:59 |
| CrystalMath | it's sad to see that | Jul 04 23:59 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Toxic channel, they drained the swamp is all. | Jul 04 23:59 |
| CrystalMath | they learned nothing from their predicament | Jul 04 23:59 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/07/18/gab-not-free-speech/ | Jul 04 23:59 |
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