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| kingoffrance | thus, medium may be enough to push something over the edge (in their eyes) regardless of content, etc. | Jun 13 00:02 |
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| kingoffrance | i already see "but we arent restricting speech, because you have non-rpg mediums" | Jun 13 00:02 |
| kingoffrance | maybe the irony "freedom of speech doesnt mean a guaranteed platform/listener" .....in this case thats what they want, to be a guaranteed listener :) | Jun 13 00:05 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The case isn't exactly how you write it down. | Jun 13 00:05 |
| BaronVladimirHar | You can write a literary description of how to implement it that's good enough for someone else to write the program. | Jun 13 00:06 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Then it's protected speech. | Jun 13 00:06 |
| kingoffrance | you mean so just printed code may not qualify ? | Jun 13 00:06 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The government's crypto export ban said you couldn't give someone a program, and so it was legally dangerous to give them source code or an executable. | Jun 13 00:07 |
| BaronVladimirHar | But what a lot of companies did was they put an "export" version with weak crypto on their server and then a strong one that said "Okay now, nobody outside the US can use this!". | Jun 13 00:07 |
| BaronVladimirHar | And then they did anyway. | Jun 13 00:07 |
| kingoffrance | yeah | Jun 13 00:07 |
| kingoffrance | freebsd ports is literred with options for such things about which licenses you accept etc. | Jun 13 00:08 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Windows 98 came with IE 4 with weak crypto even in the US. | Jun 13 00:08 |
| BaronVladimirHar | If you went to the IE about section, it said "56-bit SSL" or something. | Jun 13 00:08 |
| samiamsam | psydroid: lineageos is very nice tho | Jun 13 00:08 |
| BaronVladimirHar | You could download a patch to make it 128-bit. | Jun 13 00:08 |
| samiamsam | but unfortunately not portable enough to run on arbitrary phone | Jun 13 00:09 |
| psydroid | samiamsam, I know, I have it installed on one of my old phones | Jun 13 00:09 |
| samiamsam | ubuntu touch is even worse on portability, but i have purchased some phones it recommends. haven't installed it yet tho. | Jun 13 00:10 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Everything Microsoft makes is a Rube Goldberg piece of shit with lousy security, and they mostly get away with it because of nasty lawyers and bribes to officials. | Jun 13 00:10 |
| psydroid | but it's not supported anymore on that device so something that is completely free would still be better | Jun 13 00:10 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The technical bit of the why is legacy compatibility. People used to use their stuff and there's a lot of programs for it now. | Jun 13 00:10 |
| psydroid | I never get the application argument | Jun 13 00:11 |
| samiamsam | psydroid: well nothing else is going to get enough developer effort into porting to individual android devices every single one of which requires a separate kernel maintenance project | Jun 13 00:11 |
| samiamsam | this situation is why lineageos only supports newest phones, & so applies only more to other alternatives | Jun 13 00:12 |
| techrights-bot | #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152232 #GNU #Linux | Jun 13 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 13 00:14 | |
| techrights-bot | #ProprietarySoftware and #Openwashing • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152231 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and Openwashing | Tux Machines | Jun 13 00:14 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152233 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 13 00:18 | |
| techrights-bot | Links 13/6/2021: #KDE Frameworks 5.83.0 and #helloSystem 0.5 • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/12/kde-frameworks-5-83-0/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/12/kde-frameworks-5-83-0/ | Jun 13 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/6/2021: KDE Frameworks 5.83.0 and helloSystem 0.5 | Techrights | Jun 13 00:18 | |
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| techrights-bot | Easily Toggle Dark / Light Mode in Ubuntu 20.04, 21.04 via This Extension | UbuntuHandbook ⚓ https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/06/toggle-dark-light-mode-ubuntu-extension/ ䷉ #UbuntuHandbook #FreeSW #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest | Jun 13 00:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuhandbook.org | Easily Toggle Dark / Light Mode in Ubuntu 20.04, 21.04 via This Extension | UbuntuHandbook | Jun 13 00:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 13 00:21 | |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-6-21-3.jpg | Jun 13 00:24 |
| techrights-bot | All yaf-splash replaced with gtkdialog-splash https://bkhome.org/news/202106/all-yaf-splash-replaced-with-gtkdialog-splash.html #puppylinux #gnu #linux | Jun 13 00:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | All yaf-splash replaced with gtkdialog-splash | Jun 13 00:24 | |
| techrights-bot | Farmers struggle to break into booming carbon-credit market https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/farmers-struggle-break-into-booming-carbon-credit-market-2021-04-28/ | Jun 13 00:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Farmers struggle to break into booming carbon-credit market | Reuters | Jun 13 00:27 | |
| techrights-bot | "Al Gore for Climate Change. Barack Obama for Peace. Bill Gates for what? So many options. Philandering." -Ryan at #techrights | Jun 13 00:28 |
| techrights-bot | "Bill Gates has hoarded $144 billion and tripled his money since he started "giving it away". He wasn't even honest to his wife and he barely even showed up at Microsoft, which was paying him, where everyone knew he was spending the whole day off cheating on his wife. That's before Epstein and the whole absentee landlord of farming and the medicine patent harm." -Ryan at #techrights | Jun 13 00:29 |
| techrights-bot | Sociopath, criminal, and enabler of sex trafficking by Epstein https://m.businesstoday.in/lite/story/how-bill-gates-used-to-vanish-from-work-to-meet-women-secretly/1/441355.html | Jun 13 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-m.businesstoday.in | Bill Gates used to vanish from work to meet women secretly, says report | Jun 13 00:30 | |
| techrights-bot | When the land is sold to criminals https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/mcdonald-s-french-fries-carrots-onions-all-foods-come-bill-n1270033 | Jun 13 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | McDonald's french fries, carrots, onions: all of the foods that come from Bill Gates farmland | Jun 13 00:31 | |
| techrights-bot | Six Flags Great America Settling Lawsuit Over #Fingerprints for $36M https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/six-flags-great-america-settling-lawsuit-over-fingerprints-for-36m/2530935/ | Jun 13 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcchicago.com | Six Flags Great America Settling Lawsuit Over Fingerprints for $36M – NBC Chicago | Jun 13 00:31 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] schestowitz: pretty typical of this type of management structure. The opposition must be eradicated at all costs. | Jun 13 00:33 |
| techrights-bot | Exploting #covid19 for #warOnCash and war on #privacy https://apnews.com/article/europe-health-coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-travel-73f90d18909c595da463994e16e17348 | Jun 13 00:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | EU plans digital ID wallet for bloc's post-pandemic life | Jun 13 00:34 | |
| techrights-bot | Only after they infected #mozilla #firefox with this same 'bug' https://www.osnews.com/story/133550/google-ends-its-attack-on-the-url-bar-resumes-showing-full-address-in-chrome/ | Jun 13 00:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google ends its attack on the URL bar, resumes showing full address in Chrome – OSnews | Jun 13 00:36 | |
| techrights-bot | #clowncomputing https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/09/fastly_explains_web_blackout/ | Jun 13 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Fastly 'fesses up to breaking the internet with an 'an undiscovered software bug' triggered by a customer • The Register | Jun 13 00:37 | |
| techrights-bot | #microsoft #windows #ProprietarySoftware #junk https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-pushes-windows-10-kb4023057-again-to-fix-update-issues/ | Jun 13 00:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft pushes Windows 10 KB4023057 again to fix update issues | Jun 13 00:38 | |
| techrights-bot | #Stéphane Graber: Inexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152234 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 00:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stéphane Graber: Inexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later | Tux Machines | Jun 13 00:38 | |
| techrights-bot | The #FBI 's Anom Stunt Rattles the Encryption Debate https://www.wired.com/story/fbi-anom-phone-network-encryption-debate | Jun 13 00:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The FBI's Anom Stunt Rattles the Encryption Debate | WIRED | Jun 13 00:40 | |
| techrights-bot | #ibm #layoffs 12 hours ago: "Worst newer ever. Why would you want to work? I’d buy Amazon and Google stock from the start and sell and retire" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bcHegfR#replies | Jun 13 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | If you can go back in time… - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 00:43 | |
| techrights-bot | Lots of gold in this thread about collapse of #ibm https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bfkVTnV#replies | Jun 13 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | looks like some in IBM are doing very well - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 00:44 | |
| techrights-bot | "IBM’s plan is for Power to focus on 980’s, Z & Storage chip sets, and AI optimization. #IBM labs will pick up most of the design and futures. Everything else will go. #Kyndryl will pick up channel sales and TSS." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1beUeseK#replies | Jun 13 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | When will next RA in System BU's Power Line - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 00:45 | |
| techrights-bot | "This is the game plan that [ #IBM CEO] AK and the bean counters have put together. It’s financial engineering 101. Load up #Kyndryl with the “goodwill” and dump it out of Hybrid IBM. Kyndryl’s future is a financial position slightly above “junk” status." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1biByoMH#replies | Jun 13 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Is there any new information about IBM selling Watson Health? - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 00:45 | |
| techrights-bot | "This kinda plays into IBM’s previous actions IBM sold 1/2 of the facility to Hitachi 15 years ago. IBM then downsized and sold 80% of the remaining property to the city and a developer. #IBM then renegotiated the leases and dropped down from 33 buildings to 9. Now it’s time to say goodbye." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjAyMqh#replies | Jun 13 00:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Pulling the Plug on Med City - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 00:46 | |
| techrights-bot | "And Whitehurst is on record for wanting HQ to be there. Wonder if AK owns property in the Triangle" #ibm #redhat #AllowHurst https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjAyMqh#replies | Jun 13 00:47 |
| techrights-bot | "Mandatory co-location is a local decision." #ibm driving away staff (e.g. offers of early departure, pissing off workers) to lessen how many layoffs it reports https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bh52BMX#replies | Jun 13 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | September 7th 2021 - IBM workers are returning to the office - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 00:48 | |
| techrights-bot | " #ibm pays lowest in tech i agree with other commentor , just look outside.Even if they give a raise it's peanuts like 2%, 3% etc. My rent increases more than that even during pandemic" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bgZ1XHP#replies | Jun 13 00:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Instead of raise, you can only get an excuse - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 00:49 | |
| techrights-bot | Hours ago on #ibm crisis: "HR here is toxic about any conversation regarding raises or compensation. I've been called "entitled" because my pay was significantly less than market. The promotion raise was still not enough despite my high performance and manager vouching for me. I am glad I left" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bgZ1XHP#replies | Jun 13 00:49 |
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| techrights-bot | "Unfortunately, if the cost of living goes up, but salaries do not... then the game the Fed plays to keep inflation up... does the job it's intended to do... give a house edge to the sell side. In days gone by a thing called "cost of living allowance" or similar was a real thing." #ibm https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bgZ1XHP#replies | Jun 13 00:50 |
| techrights-bot | "3 years ago one rep on our team received a hand signed letter via Fedex from Ginni congratulating him on 9 consecutive years of 100% Club and her personal challenge to achieve 10 years. That afternoon our manager RAd him. No joke" #ibm #crisis https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjfb0lj#replies | Jun 13 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 00:51 | |
| BaronVladimirHar | 268 cases of COVID in Illinois today. | Jun 13 01:09 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Not too bad. | Jun 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | how much testing though? | Jun 13 01:10 |
| schestowitz | we test about a million a day | Jun 13 01:10 |
| schestowitz | I noticed that some big countries only test like tens of thousands per day | Jun 13 01:10 |
| BaronVladimirHar | 3% positivity so if the 7 day average in cases was 381, then that means about 12,700 tests per day in the state over the last week? | Jun 13 01:15 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Obviously the story about the flu going away is bullshit. | Jun 13 01:15 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Those flu quick tests are pretty bad, btw. | Jun 13 01:15 |
| BaronVladimirHar | At one point they were admitting that lots of people were getting COVID and didn't even notice and ask for a test. | Jun 13 01:17 |
| BaronVladimirHar | But they stopped talking about that. | Jun 13 01:17 |
| BaronVladimirHar | There's no symptoms! "THAT'S ONE OF THE SYMPTOMS!" | Jun 13 01:18 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Fauci: Wear a mask. Fauci's leaked email: Masks are ridiculous. Do you people even know how small these germs are? | Jun 13 01:18 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▃▃▄▅▅▆▅▆▂▆▅▄▁▆▅▂▃▆▆▅▆▆▄▆▂▄▅▃▆▂▃▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 20.71 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▃▃▂▂▃▁█▂▁▂▂▁▂▃▂▁▁▂█▁▇▂▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 53.01▕ swarm size (avg): 243.93 ⟲ | Jun 13 01:20 |
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| BaronVladimirHar | https://www.npr.org/2021/06/10/1004806688/inflation-is-surging-the-price-of-a-toyota-pickup-truck-helps-explain-why | Jun 13 01:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | How The Price Of A Toyota Truck Helps Explain Surging Inflation : NPR | Jun 13 01:26 | |
| BaronVladimirHar | schestowitz: Another reason why I just keep repairing thing after thing on the Impala. | Jun 13 01:27 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Until we're out of this used car bubble, I'm not even going to think about trading up unless I have to. | Jun 13 01:27 |
| schestowitz | [01:21] <-- rbraun (vaF3IrtE@gateway/shell/club.cc.cmu.edu/x-mbgbjftlzntyfool) has left this server (K-Lined). | Jun 13 01:27 |
| schestowitz | klined?! | Jun 13 01:27 |
| BaronVladimirHar | This is the worst I've seen it since 2013, and even that was pretty bad. I put a car up for sale for three times what I thought it was actually worth and got it. | Jun 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | wth is going on? | Jun 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | freenode is cutting its own throat | Jun 13 01:28 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Nothing can surprise me at this point. | Jun 13 01:28 |
| MinceR | looks like it | Jun 13 01:28 |
| BaronVladimirHar | What did they do that for? | Jun 13 01:29 |
| BaronVladimirHar | <tr-bridge "[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Nothi"> You know freenode here for user. Why make freenode hurt you? | Jun 13 01:30 |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Jun 13 01:30 | |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Me not understand what ye say | Jun 13 01:30 |
| *schestowitz has changed the topic to: Techrights.org IRC discussions @ Freenode | Channel #techrights for http://techrights.org [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. Official channels are at irc.techrights.org | Jun 13 01:31 | |
| BaronVladimirHar | schestowitzis on Matrix now? | Jun 13 01:31 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] no, I am not | Jun 13 01:31 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I never used matrix | Jun 13 01:31 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] we experimented with it for work | Jun 13 01:31 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Must be the way this thing is displaying your activity to me. | Jun 13 01:32 |
| BaronVladimirHar | It's getting really fucking crazy in here with the bridges. | Jun 13 01:32 |
| MinceR | there was a bridge with an [m] at the end, possibly to matrix, but it left | Jun 13 01:32 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Matrix, Libera, Freenode, and now your server. | Jun 13 01:32 |
| MinceR | "now"? the first thing this channel was bridged to was the techrights network :> | Jun 13 01:33 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Oh, I just registered an account, look at the situation and decided to can it for now. | Jun 13 01:33 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 13 01:33 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] * looked | Jun 13 01:33 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Matrix wants to make something called communities or something, and maybe a good idea would be to collect all the techrights rooms into that. | Jun 13 01:35 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] but who's going to moderate all that? | Jun 13 01:35 |
| MinceR | they should hurry up with their p2p effort | Jun 13 01:35 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Matrix isn't about communities | Jun 13 01:35 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] DaemonFC? | Jun 13 01:35 |
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| CrystalMath | we don't know why rbraun was k-lined | Jun 13 01:36 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Please register on Libera. | Jun 13 01:36 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] no | Jun 13 01:36 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I am not interested in ANOTHER master | Jun 13 01:36 |
| CrystalMath | +1 | Jun 13 01:36 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] one is already too much | Jun 13 01:36 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: How the heck are we supposed to bridge Matrix? | Jun 13 01:36 |
| CrystalMath | better don't | Jun 13 01:36 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I will discuss with RMS making their own IRC network | Jun 13 01:37 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] he takes days to reply | Jun 13 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | but i think you may have been right yet again schestowitz, having your own IRC network is pretty good | Jun 13 01:37 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Looks like your presence will go down with freenode. | Jun 13 01:38 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Consider biboumi, there are some public servers of it. | Jun 13 01:38 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] CrystalMath: it wasn't an impulsive overnight decision, we actually debated it about 3 times last year | Jun 13 01:38 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] BaronVladimirHar why not get a real IRC client? | Jun 13 01:38 |
| BaronVladimirHar | <tr-bridge "[schestowitz/tr] Matrix isn't ab"> Trannies with a Mod Complex | Jun 13 01:40 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] though who cares, he's probably going to get banned again | Jun 13 01:40 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Sorry I was late. Tranny problems. | Jun 13 01:41 |
| MinceR | i see what you did there | Jun 13 01:41 |
| CrystalMath | transmission problems? | Jun 13 01:41 |
| CrystalMath | heh, yeah | Jun 13 01:41 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The lead developer of Matrix (I think). Matthew, apparently. | Jun 13 01:41 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] ara4n? | Jun 13 01:42 |
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| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Will ye move the bots? | Jun 13 01:44 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I piss people off. I don't know why they say I hate them or I'm afraid of them. I'm not, at least not because of whatever reason they invented in their head. I'm utterly repulsed by drama bombs. And with trans people, there appear to be a great many of those. | Jun 13 01:46 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: don't you think you're jumping to conclusions a bit? | Jun 13 01:46 |
| BaronVladimirHar | To be fair, there's plenty of gay people like that. | Jun 13 01:46 |
| BaronVladimirHar | But saying I hate gay people because there's a lot of drama queens is like saying I'm homophobic because I think Matthew Garrett is a despicable drama queen. | Jun 13 01:47 |
| BaronVladimirHar | What they need to get over, other than themselves, is victim mentality where they're always looking to be insulted so that they can take the chance to gain spotlight by screaming about it. | Jun 13 01:48 |
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| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: With Libera.Chat ye are sure more than happy to jump into conclusions first | Jun 13 01:49 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Garrett is currently playing victim advocate on Shitter again. | Jun 13 01:49 |
| CrystalMath | i've had years to meet those people | Jun 13 01:49 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Claiming that someone got hired beneath her skills because she's a woman. | Jun 13 01:50 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Lots of people are hired beneath their skills and have to work for someone that knows a lot less than they do, and NEVER get a promotion at all. | Jun 13 01:50 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i will never connect there, the only chance i might reconsider is if Fuchs is removed permanently | Jun 13 01:50 |
| BaronVladimirHar | They're not all women. | Jun 13 01:50 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: but they would honestly need to change their policies as wel | Jun 13 01:51 |
| BaronVladimirHar | In fact, I'd say that I was smarter than at least the next two levels up in almost every job. | Jun 13 01:51 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Einstein worked as a patent office clerk. | Jun 13 01:51 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: to support free speech, all kinds of right-wing opinions, and ban Fuchs from ever holding a staff position | Jun 13 01:51 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: It's better to k-line without a policy | Jun 13 01:51 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I mean, you run into college graduates working at Taco Bell. | Jun 13 01:51 |
| BaronVladimirHar | It usually means they studied psychology or something. | Jun 13 01:52 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: if i look at the list of illibera staff currently online and find jose, amdj and nhandler on it, is that "jumping to conclusions"? | Jun 13 01:52 |
| BaronVladimirHar | But just because a person makes a little over minimum wage doesn't even mean they're stupid. Their boss is probably in high school. Life's shit sometimes, isn't it? | Jun 13 01:52 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I haven't heard of them abusing their op. Isn't that "cancel culture" to try to cancel them? | Jun 13 01:53 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] no, the cancel culture is what those people have done | Jun 13 01:54 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] and their signatures are still there for everyone to see | Jun 13 01:54 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i'm not the one who publicized their stance as being against software freedom. they did that themselves. | Jun 13 01:54 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Hasn't anyone bothered to dig into their reasons behind that? I certainly haven't. | Jun 13 01:54 |
| BaronVladimirHar | https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1402885119161995264 | Jun 13 01:55 |
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| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] don't give trolls traffic. | Jun 13 01:55 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Garrett bashing the GPL again. schestowitz threatening to mute me because Garrett is Shitter Raging. | Jun 13 01:55 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: you mean, ask them for lies to try and cover up the fact that they're supporting a corporate conspiracy to destroy free software? | Jun 13 01:55 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] after those corporations have already succeeded in taking over gnome and Linux? | Jun 13 01:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] MinceR: we really should become more self-governing | Jun 13 01:56 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] indeed | Jun 13 01:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and stuff worrying about their BS | Jun 13 01:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I'd rather deal with a friend | Jun 13 01:56 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] the FSF has entered the death spiral already | Jun 13 01:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] than some strangers who claim to support "Open SOurce" | Jun 13 01:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] while shouting at the FSF, "cancel your founder" | Jun 13 01:56 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I wonder if he's given up on the Subaru. | Jun 13 01:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] MinceR: years ago, maybe... | Jun 13 01:57 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I was looking at used cars. I think the sweet spot is maybe a 2010-2014 Toyota. | Jun 13 01:57 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] they're a "big target" | Jun 13 01:57 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] so I can empathise | Jun 13 01:57 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I am not smart enough to draw conclusions of that scale. | Jun 13 01:57 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I'll probably go for that next time. It doesn't have that "smart" shit on it that's obsolete 20% of the way into the payments. | Jun 13 01:57 |
| BaronVladimirHar | :) | Jun 13 01:57 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] they still stand for some important things, inc. privacy and copyleft | Jun 13 01:57 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Garret is not nearly as bright as he thinks he is or he'd just use a simple car that's cheap as hell to repair even if it isn't terribly reliable. | Jun 13 01:58 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] bbiab | Jun 13 01:58 |
| BaronVladimirHar | He's basically maybe one notch above treknobabble. | Jun 13 01:59 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The NSA and Microsoft probably did slip him that EFI crap. | Jun 13 02:00 |
| MinceR | he seems to believe in EFI | Jun 13 02:00 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Nobody outside Subaru understands what the hell the computer in his car is up to. | Jun 13 02:00 |
| BaronVladimirHar | And nobody ever will. | Jun 13 02:00 |
| MinceR | maybe another successful application of the idiotic dichotomy fallacy | Jun 13 02:00 |
| BaronVladimirHar | It took a long time to detect Diesel Cheat VWs and that could be measured at the tailpipe to prove it was lying. | Jun 13 02:01 |
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| kingoffrance | i firmly believe idiotic dichotomy fallacy is the #1 problem plaguing humanity in all areas of life | Jun 13 02:02 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The only thing it did to cover its tracks was lie under conditions where it was likely in a testing bay or the engine wasn't being asked to do too much. | Jun 13 02:02 |
| MinceR | (MBR has a limit to how big the device it can work on it and EFI is not MBR, therefore EFI is automatically our savior -- ignoring that EFI has much more serious issues and that there are other options) | Jun 13 02:02 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The way they got caught was someone tested the tailpipe emissions under load, which no state does, and which is why VW never figured they would be caught. | Jun 13 02:02 |
| MinceR | (or perhaps it's because he really believes that vendor lock-in is a security feature) | Jun 13 02:03 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Their software was to fool the government, not to fool a university that went on an actual drive and made measurements. | Jun 13 02:03 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: honestly i've never even used 200 GB total in my life | Jun 13 02:03 |
| CrystalMath | 1 TB is like.. insane | Jun 13 02:03 |
| BaronVladimirHar | <MinceR "(MBR has a limit to how big the "> MBR style partitions. There's nothing truly awful about them. 1. BIOS could have been updated to deal with GPT partition tables, but wasn't. 2. You can make a small BIOS BOOT partition and then make your main partitions GPT and make as many as you want. | Jun 13 02:04 |
| MinceR | i only have 1 device that is 1TB or larger installed inside a computer | Jun 13 02:04 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The BIOS doesn't know or care about them. It boots the bootloader, which knows what they are, which calls the OS that also knows what they are. | Jun 13 02:04 |
| MinceR | i think GPT can burn in hell too, as it came with UEFI | Jun 13 02:05 |
| MinceR | and yeah, you can just have a small boot partition and it doesn't even have to be FAT | Jun 13 02:05 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] What are ye people are even talking about | Jun 13 02:05 |
| MinceR | it can actually be a filesystem designed by people who knew what they were doing | Jun 13 02:05 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Why would a BIOS need to know about partitions. | Jun 13 02:05 |
| BaronVladimirHar | <MinceR "and yeah, you can just have a sm"> BIOS BOOT could be any file system that GRUB has a driver for. | Jun 13 02:05 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: presumably the boot record would need to use BIOS routines to talk to the drive to load whatever it wants to boot | Jun 13 02:06 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Maybe not BtrFS because I don't know that you even could make a volume that was only 1-2 MB. | Jun 13 02:06 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: And that's what the first 446 bytes are for? | Jun 13 02:06 |
| MinceR | something like that | Jun 13 02:06 |
| MinceR | i mean, you stick what you can in those bytes | Jun 13 02:07 |
| MinceR | which in the case of something as powerful as grub would be whatever can load the next stage(s) | Jun 13 02:07 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] And what ye cannot goes into a 2M GRUB boot partition | Jun 13 02:07 |
| MinceR | or in the first 1M or so, before the first partition | Jun 13 02:08 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Using GPT with MBR booting is not a problem. | Jun 13 02:08 |
| MinceR | or it could use a partition for that | Jun 13 02:08 |
| MinceR | well yeah, my problem with GPT is that i didn't ask for that package | Jun 13 02:08 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: It *does* use a partition for that. | Jun 13 02:08 |
| BaronVladimirHar | BIOS Boot is the spec I used on a 4 TB hard drive.on my Phenom II system. | Jun 13 02:08 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] GPT has simple benefits over MBR partitioning like no need for EBR and bigger maximum size. | Jun 13 02:09 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] extended boot has been pretty annoying | Jun 13 02:09 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Micosoft boosters certainly LOVE hyping this up https://www.thurrott.com/forums/general-discussion/linux/thread/linux-system-service-bug-allows-you-to-gain-root-access-free | Jun 13 02:09 |
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| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] there are thousands of "LINUX" packages | Jun 13 02:09 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] many with bugs | Jun 13 02:10 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] local priv escalation isn't a big deal | Jun 13 02:10 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] but because a Microsoft employee brought this up | Jun 13 02:10 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] look how media reacts | Jun 13 02:10 |
| MinceR | incompetent media | Jun 13 02:10 |
| MinceR | they prance around as "IT journalism", but can't tell the difference between a kernel and polkit | Jun 13 02:11 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, but thats just saying its another IDF in action :) | Jun 13 02:11 |
| kingoffrance | speak of the devil | Jun 13 02:11 |
| MinceR | it doesn't really matter, does it? either way, they can't be relied upon for credible information | Jun 13 02:13 |
| MinceR | and then they can say "oh, but i said that because i'm a paid microsoft shill"/"oh, but i said that because i don't know the subject i'm writing about" and it doesn't matter what they say | Jun 13 02:14 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Mandy says that bitch that tried to get him to buy her vodka passed out today and they took her to the hospital in an ambulance and then the hospital released her. | Jun 13 02:15 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I said "Oh there went $20,000 for nothing.". | Jun 13 02:16 |
| BaronVladimirHar | He goes oh no, she had insurance. | Jun 13 02:16 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I said, "I'm sorry. There went $7,000 for nothing.". | Jun 13 02:16 |
| BaronVladimirHar | He's incredibly naive. He acts like I don't know what my own country is like. | Jun 13 02:17 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Congrats you could have had a nice car or you could have spent an hour in the ER so they can say we don't know, next. | Jun 13 02:18 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] how is this on topic? | Jun 13 02:18 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] anyway, this lapop is killing me, or killing time | Jun 13 02:18 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: How much is that in typical salaries? | Jun 13 02:18 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it makes no sense at all, and the error messages it gives are worse than useless, alluding literally to a .c file | Jun 13 02:19 |
| MinceR | you can buy a nice car for $7000 over there? | Jun 13 02:19 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] That looks like a serious byte into one's whole life savings to me. | Jun 13 02:19 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Average WalMart worker makes about $40,000 in a year before tax. Maybe $28,000 after all the deductions and shit and then the government taxing you again when you spend it after taxing it like five times on your paycheck. | Jun 13 02:20 |
| BaronVladimirHar | And it was way less before the raises this year. | Jun 13 02:20 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] <MinceR/fn> you can buy a nice car [cut] | Jun 13 02:20 |
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| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] fixed it for you. many cars now come with "computers" | Jun 13 02:21 |
| MinceR | well, i did buy a nice car, and it came with computers | Jun 13 02:21 |
| MinceR | but it sure as hell cost more than that | Jun 13 02:21 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] inflation probably means a car that lasts would be 15000 dollars and upwards | Jun 13 02:21 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Very strong. But still not strong enough. | Jun 13 02:21 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I just put another $700 into a 2003 Impala. | Jun 13 02:22 |
| BaronVladimirHar | It's actually not the biggest piece of shit I've ever had. | Jun 13 02:22 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: why nice car when lada for $200 drive from A to B fine | Jun 13 02:22 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 13 02:22 |
| MinceR | because i prefer driving from A to B, not from A to the workshop and then back to A, and repeat | Jun 13 02:23 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] when it break, get new one | Jun 13 02:23 |
| MinceR | i also prefer not buying cars all the time, just as i prefer not having to take them to be serviced all the time | Jun 13 02:23 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The only reason I didn't lose my ass on that 1995 Ford Taurus was that I kept having it towed down to this old mechanic that had random people working on it for like $35 an hour. | Jun 13 02:23 |
| BaronVladimirHar | They just said bring them the parts. | Jun 13 02:24 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I had all kinds of problems but I just kept having the car parts place drop of radiators and hoses and an alternator and a water pump to replace the one that exploded all over my windshield. | Jun 13 02:24 |
| BaronVladimirHar | And a heater core. | Jun 13 02:24 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The oxygen sensors... | Jun 13 02:25 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I don't know what the hell the last owner did to that car, but they destroyed everything that coolant touches except the engine. | Jun 13 02:25 |
| *tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] has made four contributions to Conversations touching the same exact bit of code for the past 2/3 of a year. I kept finding new things wrong with it. | Jun 13 02:26 | |
| BaronVladimirHar | Oh yeah, someone wrecked it and managed to break nothing except the headlight mounting bracket and then put it back together with Bondo. | Jun 13 02:26 |
| BaronVladimirHar | So I had to have that replaced too. | Jun 13 02:27 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: sounds like a great product | Jun 13 02:27 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Until now when I found the ultimate wrongness, and I'm very happy now. | Jun 13 02:27 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Oh that car was evil. But still not the worst one I've had. | Jun 13 02:27 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: It's fine except for the database. | Jun 13 02:28 |
| BaronVladimirHar | That goes to a Chevy Corsica that threw the connecting rod at 115,114 miles. | Jun 13 02:28 |
| CrystalMath | +1 for the Lada | Jun 13 02:28 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Thankfully I uh, sold it to one of Gonad's relatives before the damned engine broke down for good. | Jun 13 02:29 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] I don't know anything about Java, but I know SQL and the basics of SQLite, and that allowed me to fix the performance issue that's been plaguing me for years. | Jun 13 02:29 |
| BaronVladimirHar | GM makes cars that are so bad that they're like exploding Soviet TV bad. | Jun 13 02:30 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Mom keeps biting. | Jun 13 02:30 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] And now it's not surprising to me that it's been getting worse as it's correlated with the database size. | Jun 13 02:30 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] A full table scan every time a message tuple is altered? It's more likely than ye think. | Jun 13 02:31 |
| BaronVladimirHar | And because we're totally not Communists, when GM failed the first time, they got a special bankruptcy law just for them, a massive government bailout, and all of the fucktards that managed it got to keep their jobs. | Jun 13 02:31 |
| MinceR | maybe stop buying GM cars, then | Jun 13 02:32 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I didn't. Mom does and then she can't figure out why it's always in the shop and they can't fix anything right. | Jun 13 02:32 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 13 02:32 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Then she replaces a bunch of shit and hands it to me. | Jun 13 02:33 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Then I replace a bunch of shit and run it into the ground. | Jun 13 02:33 |
| BaronVladimirHar | To be fair a lot of this year was wear items that I have no idea how they lasted this long. | Jun 13 02:33 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] So of course my database is big enough and my device is weak enough to make the worst case scenario like an hour of message sending. When a database is so overworked with all the full table scans it's stuck. | Jun 13 02:34 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Factory struts with 275,000 miles that had gone through 19 years in the Midwest. | Jun 13 02:34 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Or it could hang and stop recording new messages, for the same reason. | Jun 13 02:35 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I had it propped back up on some quick struts. They're way better than broken struts. | Jun 13 02:35 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] All that has been fixed with the changes to the schema. | Jun 13 02:35 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Didn't even need to recompile the Java code. | Jun 13 02:35 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The factory ones were so gone that it was like a rusty pogo stick with a torn dust boot and springs that were half eaten away. | Jun 13 02:35 |
| BaronVladimirHar | It had started to make this popcorn popping noise. | Jun 13 02:36 |
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| BaronVladimirHar | If Garrett was a hacker or at least any kind of decent hipster, he'd just do what I do. | Jun 13 02:37 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Struts give out, prop the car back up on quick struts. E-Brake fails? Rip it out and toss it in the trash. | Jun 13 02:37 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Hack lada to best lada lada can be | Jun 13 02:37 |
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| MinceR | use mom's shitty GM car? :> | Jun 13 02:37 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Instead he gets murdered on depreciation and then bitches about proprietary data links. | Jun 13 02:37 |
| MinceR | best lada hack: sell it and buy a real car instead :> | Jun 13 02:38 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Oh MinceR MinceR MinceR MinceR | Jun 13 02:38 |
| BaronVladimirHar | You're always paying for it. The only difference is that the mechanic's price is on the wall. | Jun 13 02:38 |
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| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: ye no fun, ye probably saw real lada | Jun 13 02:39 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Buying a new car is like "Hey dealer. Make this $40,000 car $60,000 by the time we get out of the finance room somehow, and then in 5 years with interest payments I'll only be able to sell it for $10,000!". | Jun 13 02:39 |
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| BaronVladimirHar | Or keep it and take it to the mechanic every few months like you'd be doing with an old car anyway. | Jun 13 02:40 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: rode in it too | Jun 13 02:40 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Mechanics charge more these days because people are doing everything they can to get the last bits out of their old car, MinceR | Jun 13 02:40 |
| MinceR | mechanics can charge more these days over here because many of them fled to the west | Jun 13 02:41 |
| BaronVladimirHar | And they're doing that because a new car costs two, three times more than it did 20 years ago. And people don't make two or three times more than they did 20 years ago. | Jun 13 02:41 |
| BaronVladimirHar | East Germany had a really terrible car too. | Jun 13 02:41 |
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| BaronVladimirHar | The Trabant, I think. | Jun 13 02:42 |
| BaronVladimirHar | After the fall of Communism, many people just abandoned them in the street. | Jun 13 02:42 |
| MinceR | there were many terrible cars in the eastern bloc | Jun 13 02:42 |
| MinceR | with stalinism, most technological development pretty much stopped | Jun 13 02:43 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] The old school lada's are still roaming the streets | Jun 13 02:43 |
| BaronVladimirHar | <MinceR "with stalinism, most technologic"> That's pretty much how GM got here. That's why they were fighting the fuel economy mandates. | Jun 13 02:43 |
| MinceR | and yet, our icarus buses are still better than the mercedes-benz ones | Jun 13 02:43 |
| BaronVladimirHar | They wanted to keep selling high margin gas guzzlers. | Jun 13 02:44 |
| MinceR | because the icarus buses have suspensions, with springs and maybe even shock absorbers | Jun 13 02:44 |
| BaronVladimirHar | That's not going to be real popular with gas at an 8 year high. | Jun 13 02:44 |
| MinceR | though some of the roads in budapest are so terrible even those can't deal with them well | Jun 13 02:44 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: People resent the Icarus's here | Jun 13 02:44 |
| MinceR | i resented them too | Jun 13 02:44 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The roads in Waukegan, Illinois are so bad I'm sure they finished off those struts on the front of my car. | Jun 13 02:45 |
| MinceR | until i got sick on one of the mercedes-benzes due to feeling every flaw in the road | Jun 13 02:45 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Know why? Ye can probably guess. | Jun 13 02:45 |
| MinceR | no, i can't | Jun 13 02:45 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Every time you get out there you're running over potholes and sewer grates that caved in sideways. | Jun 13 02:45 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Because they have no heating in the winter. | Jun 13 02:45 |
| MinceR | i see | Jun 13 02:45 |
| MinceR | maybe just not enough heating | Jun 13 02:46 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The city saves money by not fixing anything and then raises your taxes to cover pensions for the government people who aren't doing anything important. | Jun 13 02:46 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Sort of like the state of Illinois only it's the city. | Jun 13 02:46 |
| MinceR | i don't remember having such issues here, though i usually avoid buses anyway | Jun 13 02:46 |
| BaronVladimirHar | You want to know how stupid people are. | Jun 13 02:48 |
| BaronVladimirHar | There's a pay with GasBuddy Premium app where you can pay more than the largest possible gas discount is worth that month to get a gas discount. | Jun 13 02:49 |
| BaronVladimirHar | And then you sign up for it and in the fine print it says half the oil companies don't even let you pay with it. | Jun 13 02:50 |
| BaronVladimirHar | So you have no idea if it's going to work or not. | Jun 13 02:50 |
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| MinceR | allegedly he hasn't even said anything in days | Jun 13 02:53 |
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| techrights-ipfs | ☞ New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID | Jun 13 03:05 |
| BaronVladimirHar | MinceR: I've got an idea. Let's partner with a payment processor where people can link their bank and then sell people gas discounts that are worth $4 for $8 a month. | Jun 13 03:05 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Call it an app. Stuff it full of tracking libraries. | Jun 13 03:05 |
| MinceR | sounds dodgy | Jun 13 03:06 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Extremely. | Jun 13 03:06 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] MinceR: maybe new policy for k-line is "not active enough in freenode to be worth it" :-) | Jun 13 03:06 |
| techrights-ipfs | QmVUBLf9g24CeTFZPr1KCBQh3mA5e5VvjUSi5aU6aj3q9y | Jun 13 03:07 |
| MinceR | no idea | Jun 13 03:07 |
| MinceR | but it looks like the staff is supplying us with new information so it might get easier to figure out :> | Jun 13 03:07 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Maybe they're k-lining people for spamming Liberal Chat. | Jun 13 03:10 |
| techrights-bot | European #patents on #chemistry itself https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/european-patent-office-upholds-curadevs-cyclodextrin-patent-for-new-composition-of-matter-301308941.html https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1077890/chemical-patents-how-to-get-the-protection-you-want-in-europe-part-i-defining-the-invention | Jun 13 03:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | European Patent Office upholds Curadev's cyclodextrin patent for new composition of matter | Jun 13 03:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Chemical Patents – How To Get The Protection You Want In Europe Part I: Defining The Invention - Intellectual Property - UK | Jun 13 03:10 | |
| BaronVladimirHar | Speaking of which, I got an invite to the Libertarian Party state convention. | Jun 13 03:10 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I should run for office. | Jun 13 03:10 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I generally don't care what you do and no there probably shouldn't be a law. | Jun 13 03:11 |
| techrights-bot | "The #China National Intellectual Property Administration (CNIPA) and the European Patent Office (EPO) launched a two-year pilot on December 1, 2020…" https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=389a6716-13eb-42e9-8a27-f1021b71a499 | Jun 13 03:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Discussion on the PCT ISA Pilot Launched by CNIPA and EPO - Lexology | Jun 13 03:14 | |
| techrights-bot | Conveniently overlooks the fact that the #EPO Enlarged Board of Appeal is a rigged kangaroo court beholden to people who break the law and kidnap judges https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1077528/examination-of-clarity-of-amendments-in-epo-opposition-proceedings- | Jun 13 03:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Examination Of Clarity Of Amendments In EPO Opposition Proceedings - Intellectual Property - European Union | Jun 13 03:15 | |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: So the same bit of code got these contributions from me: 1. search didn't work in Android 5; 2. search was case-sensitive outside the ASCII range; 3. search was wasting space for redundant copies of messages; 4. the search implementation caused a full table scan condition even outside of searching. | Jun 13 03:16 |
| techrights-bot | Inexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152234 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 03:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stéphane Graber: Inexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later | Tux Machines | Jun 13 03:16 | |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 13 03:16 |
| CrystalMath | +1 BaronVladimirHar | Jun 13 03:17 |
| CrystalMath | the libertarian party is the best | Jun 13 03:17 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▃▅▄▄▄▁▆▅▅▅▅▁▆▇▆▄▅▅▄▁▇▅▆▅▅▅▅▆▆▇▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 24.48 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▃█▂▂▂▁▁▁█▂▃▂▂▃▃▂▂▄▂▁ avg(k/sec) 29.35▕ swarm size (avg): 244.02 ⟲ | Jun 13 03:23 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I've just migrated all my tasks and workflows out of the problematic laptop | Jun 13 03:26 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] don't want to waste any more time on it | Jun 13 03:26 |
| AdmFubar | what issues was it giving you? | Jun 13 03:27 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] lost of connection, on and off | Jun 13 03:29 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] lately it was mostly off | Jun 13 03:29 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] *loss | Jun 13 03:29 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I tail -f 'messages' | Jun 13 03:29 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] the error message is cryptic, wifi.cc | Jun 13 03:29 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] i very much doubt it is the router's fault | Jun 13 03:30 |
| AdmFubar | newer wifi? or older? | Jun 13 03:31 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] now sure what that means | Jun 13 03:32 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] but that started happening a week or more ago | Jun 13 03:32 |
| AdmFubar | 2.4 or 5? | Jun 13 03:32 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] if it always fails, that's one thing | Jun 13 03:32 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it also spews out many errors about thermal_zione0 | Jun 13 03:32 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] warnings rather | Jun 13 03:33 |
| AdmFubar | how old is the laptop? | Jun 13 03:33 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] so I would not rule out board issue, it's an ARM laptop, 2017 | Jun 13 03:33 |
| AdmFubar | ah probably a new wifi band then.. are you in the same room as the router? | Jun 13 03:34 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] https://e2e.ti.com/support/processors-group/processors/f/processors-forum/946455/am5728-no-processor-temperature-is-measurable | Jun 13 03:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-e2e.ti.com | AM5728: No processor temperature is measurable - Processors forum - Processors - TI E2E support forums | Jun 13 03:34 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] AdmFubar location does not matter, I didn't miss any possible location | Jun 13 03:35 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] so signal interference not likely | Jun 13 03:35 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] tried outdoors, near router etc. | Jun 13 03:35 |
| AdmFubar | how crowded is the wifi spectrum in your area? | Jun 13 03:36 |
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| MinceR | not sure if relevant, but when i had a dying 10BASE2 card, it would just drop some of the frames originally, then it would drop more and more until it reached 100% | Jun 13 03:58 |
| MinceR | maybe the wifi interface hardware is dying | Jun 13 03:59 |
| AdmFubar | could be dying... but I want to make sure everything else is looked at before giving up on it. | Jun 13 04:02 |
| AdmFubar | need to pester roy about his videos... ha has his back to a window that is very bright.. it really makes the video look bad.. | Jun 13 04:04 |
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| AdmFubar | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/10/2318224&from=rss | Jun 13 04:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | SK Hynix Admits to DRAM Defects, Calls the Cops - SoylentNews | Jun 13 04:08 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 13 04:10 |
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| AdmFubar | https://systemoverlord.com/2021/06/05/gpu-accelerated-password-cracking-in-the-cloud.html | Jun 13 04:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-systemoverlord.com | GPU Accelerated Password Cracking in the Cloud: Speed and Cost-Effectiveness · System Overlord | Jun 13 04:10 | |
| AdmFubar | did you see the story about MS pushing an update for windows to fix the issue of it not being able to update? | Jun 13 04:12 |
| schestowitz | OK, bringing services back up | Jun 13 04:12 |
| schestowitz | did a shuffle | Jun 13 04:12 |
| schestowitz | also needed to update dns for ipfs and gemini | Jun 13 04:12 |
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| schestowitz | I've managed to rejoin that laptop to the network after all | Jun 13 04:13 |
| schestowitz | so much hassle | Jun 13 04:13 |
| schestowitz | I should really just move to openwrt one day | Jun 13 04:14 |
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| AdmFubar | update to openwrt. I did that... much nicer. | Jun 13 04:14 |
| AdmFubar | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/10/1949239&from=rss | Jun 13 04:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Google to Stop Treating EU Antitrust Remedy as a "Promotional Opportunity" - SoylentNews | Jun 13 04:15 | |
| AdmFubar | https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/06/12/174231/patch-released-for-7-year-old-privilege-escalation-bug-in-linux-service-polkit?utm_source=rss0.9mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed | Jun 13 04:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Patch Released for 7-Year-Old Privilege Escalation Bug In Linux Service Polkit - Slashdot | Jun 13 04:19 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR/AdmFubar do me a favour.... | Jun 13 04:19 |
| schestowitz | I am looking at server side logs | Jun 13 04:19 |
| schestowitz | can you confirm that: | Jun 13 04:19 |
| schestowitz | 1. '"MinceR!mincer@unaffiliated/mincer PRIVMSG #techrights :not sure if relevant, but when i had a dying 10BASE2 card, it would just drop some of the frames originally, then it would drop more and more until it reached 100%" was the next message after ":AdmFubar!~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #techrights :how crowded is the wifi spectrum in your area?" | Jun 13 04:20 |
| schestowitz | that's how the server logger saw it | Jun 13 04:20 |
| schestowitz | I had to do a major overhaul here, scanning channels, removing wifi password (the ISPs make that very hard because sharing is evil blah blah) | Jun 13 04:21 |
| AdmFubar | yeah | Jun 13 04:22 |
| AdmFubar | https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/06/09/1722208/facebook-says-it-will-expand-remote-work-to-all-employees-but-may-reduce-pay-if-they-move-to-less-expensive-area?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed | Jun 13 04:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | Facebook Says It Will Expand Remote Work To All Employees, But May Reduce Pay If They Move To Less-Expensive Area - Slashdot | Jun 13 04:23 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it was indeed that way | Jun 13 04:23 |
| schestowitz | thanks! | Jun 13 04:24 |
| schestowitz | I think we're back in full operation then | Jun 13 04:24 |
| AdmFubar | https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/06/11/1936229/new-york-senate-passes-landmark-right-to-repair-bill?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed | Jun 13 04:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | New York Senate Passes Landmark Right To Repair Bill - Slashdot | Jun 13 04:24 | |
| BaronVladimirHar | <schestowitz "I had to do a major overhaul her"> Dangerous too. | Jun 13 04:24 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: only a bunch of quits and joins in between | Jun 13 04:24 |
| schestowitz | I also made some improvements | Jun 13 04:24 |
| BaronVladimirHar | If someone gets on your wifi and starts bittorrenting or downloading CP, watch out. | Jun 13 04:24 |
| schestowitz | like more bash scripting to automate the posting to tuxmachines over diaspora | Jun 13 04:24 |
| BaronVladimirHar | That's why I really lock down my router. | Jun 13 04:24 |
| schestowitz | that's what the state says | Jun 13 04:24 |
| schestowitz | it's also a plausible defend, not that I need one | Jun 13 04:25 |
| schestowitz | they want collective accountability | Jun 13 04:25 |
| schestowitz | RMS too has long said not to fall for it | Jun 13 04:25 |
| schestowitz | very inlikely some pedo will park around the home, get close to the wall, just to connect to some open wifi in a home known to have it | Jun 13 04:25 |
| schestowitz | in the past the same ISPs made open wifi very simple to implement | Jun 13 04:26 |
| schestowitz | not they block that or hide away the option | Jun 13 04:26 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Yeah, they're probably like John. In the clear, on Windows 10, while working for the TSA. | Jun 13 04:26 |
| schestowitz | I managed to find a way around it | Jun 13 04:26 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Nothing happened nothing happened. | Jun 13 04:26 |
| schestowitz | John whose employer doesn't care | Jun 13 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Talisa? | Jun 13 04:26 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Huh? | Jun 13 04:26 |
| schestowitz | maybe I should do a video sometims about open wiifi | Jun 13 04:27 |
| schestowitz | BaronVladimirHar: I forgot his surname | Jun 13 04:27 |
| schestowitz | reported him | Jun 13 04:27 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Salinas | Jun 13 04:27 |
| schestowitz | and they never even bothered replying | Jun 13 04:27 |
| schestowitz | maybe they did take some action, but kept me in the dark about it... | Jun 13 04:27 |
| BaronVladimirHar | He's not in prison. | Jun 13 04:27 |
| schestowitz | BaronVladimirHar: still awaiting your request for court docs | Jun 13 04:27 |
| BaronVladimirHar | He just messaged Mandy on Facebook about the Kia. | Jun 13 04:27 |
| schestowitz | the public opinion on Bill Gates shifted a lot since last year | Jun 13 04:28 |
| BaronVladimirHar | He wants me to sign over the title fully to him. | Jun 13 04:28 |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Jun 13 04:28 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I think it's funnier to sit here and let the bankruptcy he forced me into cost him thousands more in car insurance. | Jun 13 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Just tested ny cron job for http://techrights.org/videos/ | Jun 13 04:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Index | Jun 13 04:28 | |
| schestowitz | it now gets regenerated every night at 3:10am | Jun 13 04:28 |
| schestowitz | and it seems to work correctly | Jun 13 04:28 |
| schestowitz | unless there's server crash in that 0.01 second period when the index is redone | Jun 13 04:29 |
| BaronVladimirHar | My bankruptcy took out over $100,000 worth of debt, and cost John quite a bit of money too. | Jun 13 04:29 |
| BaronVladimirHar | MinceR: "Are you saying we just destroyed an Ori mothership, by blowing up a Wraith Hive Ship?" | Jun 13 04:29 |
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| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▆▂▄▃▁▂▇▁▂▄▅▅▃▅▅▅▆▃▃▄▃▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▆▁ avg(k/sec) 15.91 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▂▁▁▁█▂█▁█▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▁███▁▁▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 46.13▕ swarm size (avg): 244.02 ⟲ | Jun 13 04:31 |
| AdmFubar | https://threatpost.com/darkside-pwned-colonial-with-old-vpn-password/166743/ | Jun 13 04:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DarkSide Pwned Colonial With Old VPN Password | Threatpost | Jun 13 04:32 | |
| BaronVladimirHar | Oh good. Now Firefox has a bug where scrolling Reddit sometimes jumps back to the top of the page instead of scrolling down. | Jun 13 04:32 |
| schestowitz | reddit is the bigger bug | Jun 13 04:35 |
| schestowitz | in several senses of the word bug | Jun 13 04:35 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvkqb/how-ea-games-was-hacked-slack | Jun 13 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | How Hackers Used Slack to Break into EA Games | Jun 13 04:37 | |
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| AdmFubar | uh oh! | Jun 13 04:38 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] what? my connection? No, it's OK. | Jun 13 04:38 |
| AdmFubar | :P | Jun 13 04:38 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I pressed the wrong button, sent my laptop to sleep | Jun 13 04:38 |
| BaronVladimirHar | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history | Jun 13 04:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Firefox version history - Wikipedia | Jun 13 04:39 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I need coffee tbh, been a tough night | Jun 13 04:39 |
| BaronVladimirHar | There's still quite a few people using Firefox ESR 52. | Jun 13 04:39 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Probably because of Windows XP. | Jun 13 04:39 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] some people not complain they cannot connect to gemini.techrights.org | Jun 13 04:39 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] downstream dns changes not there yet | Jun 13 04:39 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I am going to do some maintenance work today | Jun 13 04:40 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] BTW, people are welcome to join the channels at irc.techrights.org any time | Jun 13 04:40 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] no risk of arbitrary k-lines and stuff | Jun 13 04:40 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] soon we release another explosive part about EPO abuses | Jun 13 04:41 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] eta 80 mins | Jun 13 04:41 |
| BaronVladimirHar | MDN source and bug tracking is now on GitHub. | Jun 13 04:42 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Not even using their own tools anymore. | Jun 13 04:42 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I think Mozilla got rid of their own infrastructure for build bots and just runs that on Azure now. | Jun 13 04:43 |
| BaronVladimirHar | http://toastytech.com/about/consumertard.html | Jun 13 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toastytech.com | Consumertard | Jun 13 04:45 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] yes, mdn was outsourced like that | Jun 13 04:46 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] but mozilla was compromised long before this | Jun 13 04:46 |
| schestowitz__ | BaronVladimirHar: if you are not on matrix now... are you? .... might want to join our network directly | Jun 13 04:47 |
| BaronVladimirHar | You really can't expect persistence if I use IRC directly. | Jun 13 04:47 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I have a laptop. | Jun 13 04:47 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] you mean buffered messages? | Jun 13 04:48 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] from when you were offline? | Jun 13 04:48 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] that would mean outsourced services | Jun 13 04:48 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Yeah. | Jun 13 04:49 |
| BaronVladimirHar | "On the brighter side, with this technology consumertards will earn their Darwin awards as they go splat when their car drives off a cliff. " | Jun 13 04:49 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Not worried about this so much as them driving into me and destroying my car and then trying to make it my fault somehow. | Jun 13 04:49 |
| BaronVladimirHar | But there's plenty of people out there now who manage this without a computer. | Jun 13 04:50 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I was nearly hit by a guy with a back the blue (police) sticker on his SUV that went across two lanes because the idiot figured out he was about to miss his ramp. | Jun 13 04:50 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Earlier | Jun 13 04:50 |
| BaronVladimirHar | http://toastytech.com/about/home-covid-test.html | Jun 13 04:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toastytech.com | NO TITLE | Jun 13 04:53 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] oh | Jun 13 04:53 |
| BaronVladimirHar | http://toastytech.com/about/opinions.html | Jun 13 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toastytech.com | My Opinions | Jun 13 04:55 | |
| BaronVladimirHar | "Comcast | Jun 13 04:55 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Comcast is Evil. I still miss TechTV. They murdered it. There is nothing on anymore. And the cable bill kept going up and up and up and up and up! Finally I canceled the stupid thing. Think I'll go read a book instead." | Jun 13 04:55 |
| BaronVladimirHar | :) | Jun 13 04:55 |
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| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Ye can make it persistent through a NickServ-configurable feature. | Jun 13 05:04 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I can? | Jun 13 05:05 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I don't usually know about things that didn't exist 20 years ago. | Jun 13 05:05 |
| BaronVladimirHar | http://toastytech.com/about/2020PresidentialDebate.html | Jun 13 05:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toastytech.com | 2020 Presidential Debate | Jun 13 05:06 | |
| BaronVladimirHar | "It does worry me that this appointee comes across as a religious nut, but then so do most people." | Jun 13 05:06 |
| BaronVladimirHar | "Does biden really even want to be president? Biden comes across as a hapless muppit who was pulled out just to take a beating. If you listen to the media, you won't even know that Jo Jorgensen, the Libertarian Presidential Candidate for 2020, even exists." | Jun 13 05:08 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Hapless muppet, sure. Deranged lunatic? We already had that. | Jun 13 05:08 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Wasn't much of a choice, really. | Jun 13 05:08 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Tell me how Nickserv can replay the messages I missed. | Jun 13 05:09 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The only reason I even use Matrix is because it can do that. | Jun 13 05:09 |
| schestowitz__ | you can use a vps | Jun 13 05:09 |
| schestowitz__ | of some kind | Jun 13 05:09 |
| schestowitz__ | I can set something up for you | Jun 13 05:09 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The fucking limp wristed CoC liberals that run Matrix keep banning me. | Jun 13 05:09 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Anonymously, of course. | Jun 13 05:09 |
| schestowitz__ | you can even follow irc with tail -f | Jun 13 05:10 |
| schestowitz__ | or... | Jun 13 05:10 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe we should set up gemini and www to display channel in real time | Jun 13 05:10 |
| schestowitz__ | ish | Jun 13 05:10 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Matrix is worse than random k-lining. | Jun 13 05:10 |
| schestowitz__ | it would be super easy for me to set up | Jun 13 05:11 |
| BaronVladimirHar | They get you time and time again and just completely ruin everything that you were bridged into as well. | Jun 13 05:11 |
| schestowitz__ | do you want scrollback in gemini or www? I can do either | Jun 13 05:11 |
| schestowitz__ | (or both) | Jun 13 05:12 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Hmm. Probably easier on the web. | Jun 13 05:14 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Just because I have a browser open anyway all the time. | Jun 13 05:14 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I'm going to plant myself on Firefox ESR 91 when it comes out. | Jun 13 05:14 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The rolling release has turned into a major version bump that mostly adds nothing anyway. | Jun 13 05:15 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Features that aren't that important, are counterproductive, or make the entire thing less stable. Or more than one of those. | Jun 13 05:15 |
| BaronVladimirHar | It amazes me how little they seem to improve it yet how badly web apps malfunction after Seamonkey has been stuck a couple ESRs behind. | Jun 13 05:16 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▅▄▅▄▆▆▅▆▇▅▂▆▅▅▆▅▆▆▅▅▅▆▃▄▅▅▃▄▆▄▅▅▅▃▁ avg(k/sec) 24.11 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▃▁▂▁▁▂▂▃▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▃▃▁▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 6.00▕ swarm size (avg): 244.08 ⟲ | Jun 13 05:20 |
| schestowitz__ | BaronVladimirHar: in progress | Jun 13 05:20 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Firefox on Android is getting so much worse. | Jun 13 05:22 |
| BaronVladimirHar | There's only like 10 extensions on it that even work now because of GeckoView and the list isn't really growing, | Jun 13 05:23 |
| schestowitz__ | BaronVladimirHar: http://techrights.org/irc/ | Jun 13 05:23 |
| schestowitz__ | there, for you... | Jun 13 05:23 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I used to install Bypass Paywalls. Can't now. They removed cookie controls. | Jun 13 05:23 |
| schestowitz__ | I can set that up to refresh every x minutes | Jun 13 05:23 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Much better. Thank you. | Jun 13 05:24 |
| schestowitz__ | gemini isn't a priority for this kind of thing | Jun 13 05:24 |
| schestowitz__ | I will cron it now | Jun 13 05:24 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Can you do a thing where instead of posting daily links you just link to the section where it starts in that scrollback? | Jun 13 05:24 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Might kill two birds here. | Jun 13 05:24 |
| schestowitz__ | */5 * * * * | Jun 13 05:25 |
| schestowitz__ | crontab: installing new crontab | Jun 13 05:26 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Does your IRC server support SSL and on what port? | Jun 13 05:28 |
| BaronVladimirHar | https://winworldpc.com/product/dr-dos/8x | Jun 13 05:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-winworldpc.com | WinWorld: DR DOS 8.x | Jun 13 05:31 | |
| schestowitz__ | BaronVladimirHar: added to http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ | Jun 13 05:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Channels | Techrights | Jun 13 05:31 | |
| schestowitz__ | at the top | Jun 13 05:31 |
| schestowitz__ | BaronVladimirHar: the usual port | Jun 13 05:31 |
| BaronVladimirHar | LOL "Shortly after release, it was discovered 8.1 as well as 8.0 contained works from FreeDOS, none of which were credited and source was not provided. When the FreeDOS project pointed out this was a GPL violation, DR-DOS, Inc pulled both 8.1 and 8.0 from the market." | Jun 13 05:31 |
| schestowitz__ | it has the option of non-ssl too | Jun 13 05:31 |
| schestowitz__ | logging instructions and latest in the channel shown in that page | Jun 13 05:32 |
| schestowitz__ | gemini is still not popular enough to justify the disk i/o overhead | Jun 13 05:33 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Oh god, he is here. | Jun 13 05:35 |
| schestowitz__ | he is, he is... | Jun 13 05:36 |
| schestowitz__ | just be polite, OK? | Jun 13 05:36 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Yeah. I didn't notice on the Matrix bridge. | Jun 13 05:37 |
| schestowitz__ | we are now discussing internally if or how to do the same in gemini | Jun 13 05:39 |
| schestowitz__ | the matrix bridge sees only freenode | Jun 13 05:39 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] let's see if I can enhance the lastlog thing | Jun 13 05:40 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] though it is plain text | Jun 13 05:40 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I'm getting used to HexChat again. The Windows 10 Store App turned out to be crippleware nonsense. Not because they wanted it to be, but because of the limitations from Microsoft. | Jun 13 05:40 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I guess raw log is simple and good enough | Jun 13 05:40 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] the daily logs already do the fancier things regardless | Jun 13 05:40 |
| *schestowitz__ is now known as schestowitz | Jun 13 05:42 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Jun 13 05:42 | |
| *schestowitz has changed the topic to: Techrights.org IRC discussions @ Freenode | Channel #techrights for http://techrights.org [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. Official channels are at irc.techrights.org | For scrollback see http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ | Jun 13 05:42 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I suppose I could just point gemini at the www page for scroll back | Jun 13 05:43 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] That takes care of installing my preferred color scheme. | Jun 13 05:43 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I take it Mozilla shut down their IRC server. | Jun 13 05:44 |
| samiamsam | Redfoxmoon: DR-DOS. man. what kind of person would do that. | Jun 13 05:44 |
| samiamsam | i meant to type re: | Jun 13 05:45 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Someone who wanted a stolen DOS product to sell as a "legacy computing solution". | Jun 13 05:47 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] To some suits who didn't know what FreeDOS was. | Jun 13 05:47 |
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| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] gemini://gemini.techrights.org/about/ | Jun 13 05:48 |
| samiamsam | i really just don't understand how someone who is developing the commercial product DR DOS could carry out the behavior of just cut and pasting code from FreeDOS. wtf is going on in your head while you are pasting that. | Jun 13 05:48 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] there! | Jun 13 05:48 |
| samiamsam | probably some kind of desperation i guess. can't be much money in DR DOS | Jun 13 05:49 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] samiamsam, "Ctrl+C Ctrl+V..." over and over. | Jun 13 05:49 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Getting paid to do it. | Jun 13 05:49 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It's 2021 and FreeDOS has a package manager that's more useful than the one in Windows. | Jun 13 05:50 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz keeps a longterm long in http://www.maxhost.org/other/techrights-2020a.log | Jun 13 05:51 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] (warning: 7.5 MB) | Jun 13 05:51 |
| AdmFubar | https://linuxreviews.org/Software_freedom_isn%E2%80%99t_about_licenses_%E2%80%93_it%E2%80%99s_about_power | Jun 13 05:52 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] cubexyz: are you ok with me linking to that page? | Jun 13 05:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Software freedom isn’t about licenses – it’s about power - LinuxReviews | Jun 13 05:54 | |
| AdmFubar | https://linuxinsider.com/story/stale-open-source-code-rampant-in-commercial-software-report-87150.html?rss=1 | Jun 13 05:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stale Open Source Code Rampant in Commercial Software: Report | LinuxInsider | Jun 13 05:54 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] is that black duck FUD? | Jun 13 05:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] did not click but the title seems familiar | Jun 13 05:57 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Black_Duck | Jun 13 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Black Duck - Techrights | Jun 13 05:57 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] they're a Microsoft proxy | Jun 13 05:57 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] anti-GPL mostly | Jun 13 05:57 |
| techrights-bot | #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, June 12, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Jun 13 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Jun 13 05:58 | |
| techrights-bot | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Jun 13 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Jun 13 05:58 | |
| techrights-bot | The Hearing On Case G1/21 Has Been Postponed Until 2 July 2021 Following A Procedural Objection "https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trials-appeals-compensation/1078442/the-hearing-on-case-g121-has-been-postponed-until-2-july-2021-following-a-procedural-objection http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/outline-g121-and-beyond/ | Jun 13 05:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | The Hearing On Case G1/21 Has Been Postponed Until 2 July 2021 Following A Procedural Objection - Litigation, Mediation & Arbitration - UK | Jun 13 05:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | Techrights | Jun 13 05:59 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Shacknews #Games ☞ 25 Days of #Quake kicks off 25th anniversary celebration with Classic Ranger Champions skin https://www.shacknews.com/article/124665/25-days-of-quake-kicks-off-25th-anniversary-celebration-with-classic-ranger-champions-skin | Jun 13 06:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-25 Days of Quake kicks off 25th anniversary celebration with Classic Ranger Champions skin | Shacknews | Jun 13 06:01 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #LeonardoGiordani ☞ Public key cryptography: OpenSSH private keys https://www.thedigitalcatonline.com/blog/2021/06/03/public-key-cryptography-openssh-private-keys/ | Jun 13 06:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedigitalcatonline.com | The Digital Cat - Public key cryptography: OpenSSH private keys | Jun 13 06:02 | |
| AdmFubar | ok off to bed night all | Jun 13 06:09 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] schestowitz, Yes, Mozilla did delete their IRC server. | Jun 13 06:15 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] That's nice. They're on Matrix now discussing what's going on at GitHub. | Jun 13 06:15 |
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| -NickServ-acer-box__!~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1 has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Jun 13 06:19 | |
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| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▄▄▆▅▅▅▅▅▆▅▆▄▄▅▆▇▆▄▅▃▄▆▆▅▆▅▇▅▅▄▅▆▅▁ avg(k/sec) 26.26 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▃▁▂▁▂▂▃▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 6.31▕ swarm size (avg): 244.12 ⟲ | Jun 13 06:20 |
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| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▂▆▅▆▇▂▅▆▄▁▆▆▆▅▅▄▅▃▅▆▇▆▆▇▅▅▅▆▆▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 25.60 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▂▂█▃▂▁▁▂▂▃▃▂▂▁▂▁▃▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▃▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 20.43▕ swarm size (avg): 244.17 ⟲ | Jun 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: writing about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hungarian_Plain | Jun 13 07:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Great Hungarian Plain - Wikipedia | Jun 13 07:22 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] MinceR: http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/epo-in-budapest/ | Jun 13 07:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice — Part 5: Benoît’s “Friends” in Budapest | Techrights | Jun 13 07:32 | |
| techrights-bot | Virtual Injustice -- Part 5: Benoît's “Friends” in #Budapest http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/epo-in-budapest/ #hungary #epo #corruption #upc @zoobbab | Jun 13 07:33 |
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| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Richard Stallman wrote on 13/06/2021 04:19: | Jun 13 07:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] > > I am more than happy to help towards an outcome wherein the FSF (and FSF | Jun 13 07:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] > > alone) is in control of its communications. | Jun 13 07:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] > | Jun 13 07:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] > It would take more work -- and we are already overloaded with crises. | Jun 13 07:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] > I think the FSF and GNU people made a good-enough decision. | Jun 13 07:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] > | Jun 13 07:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] > You can forward this to Rianne (someone I don't know) | Jun 13 07:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] > but I don't have a key for her, so I am sending it to you two. | Jun 13 07:53 |
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| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▅▅▄▃▅▁▂▅▅▆▅▆▄▅▅▆▂▅▇▅▄▅▆▅▁▂▅▆▆▅▅▃▁ avg(k/sec) 26.20 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▂▁▁▃▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▃▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▂▃▂▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 6.18▕ swarm size (avg): 244.23 ⟲ | Jun 13 08:20 |
| *TheRedHorseman is now known as phanes | Jun 13 08:25 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Vice #Hardware ☞ New York Senate Passes Electronics Right-to-Repair Legislation https://www.vice.com/en/article/93y3np/new-york-senate-passes-electronics-right-to-repair-legislation | Jun 13 09:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | New York Senate Passes Electronics Right-to-Repair Legislation | Jun 13 09:05 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TheRegisterUK #Hardware ☞ New York State Senate first to pass landmark right-to-repair bill – but don't go popping the champagne just yet https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/new_york_senate_advances_landmark/ | Jun 13 09:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | New York State Senate first to pass landmark right-to-repair bill – but don't go popping the champagne just yet • The Register | Jun 13 09:05 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #BBC #Health ☞ Covid: Is there a limit to how much worse variants can get? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57431420 | Jun 13 09:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid: Is there a limit to how much worse variants can get? - BBC News | Jun 13 09:07 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #NBC #ProprietarySoftware ☞ The FBI's seizing one bitcoin wallet won't stop ransomware — but it's a start https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/fbis-seizing-one-bitcoin-wallet-wont-stop-ransomware-start-rcna1166 | Jun 13 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | The FBI's seizing one bitcoin wallet won't stop ransomware — but it's a start | Jun 13 09:09 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Oversight chair presses #JBS on why it paid ransom over cyberattack https://thehill.com/policy/finance/557975-oversight-chief-presses-jbs-on-why-it-paid-ransom-amid-cyber-attack | Jun 13 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oversight chair presses JBS on why it paid ransom over cyberattack | TheHill | Jun 13 09:10 | |
| techrights-bot | KDE Frameworks 5.83 Brings More Than 200 Changes, Improves Support for Flatpak Apps • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152236 | Jun 13 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.83 Brings More Than 200 Changes, Improves Support for Flatpak Apps | Tux Machines | Jun 13 09:11 | |
| techrights-bot | Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152237 | Jun 13 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 13 09:11 | |
| techrights-bot | 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 12, 2021 • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/irc-log-120621/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/13/irc-log-120621/ | Jun 13 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 12, 2021 | Techrights | Jun 13 09:13 | |
| techrights-bot | “ #Battistelli went to considerable lengths to secure the support of the Hungarian delegation.” • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/epo-in-budapest/ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO #Europe | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/13/epo-in-budapest/ | Jun 13 09:15 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Confidentiality ☞ McDonald’s suffers data breach in the US, South Korea, and Taiwan https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/11/22529656/mcdonalds-data-breach-us-south-korea-taiwan | Jun 13 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | McDonald’s suffers data breach in the US, South Korea, and Taiwan - The Verge | Jun 13 09:19 | |
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| techrights-bot | Jen Wike Huger has run out of things to write about (except paid-for #ibm #marketing pieces). So it goes like... what can I write about? I like cooking and food, so let's make it sound like particular breakfasts go together with... sharing your code? Second time in a week... https://opensource.com/article/21/6/breakfast | Jun 13 09:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-10 go-to breakfasts for open source technologists today | Opensource.com | Jun 13 09:25 | |
| techrights-bot | Intel's #ConnMan 1.40, #IWD 1.15 Released For Linux Networking - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ConnMan-1.40-IWD-1.15 ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | Jun 13 09:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's ConnMan 1.40, IWD 1.15 Released For Linux Networking - Phoronix | Jun 13 09:29 | |
| techrights-bot | 3.5-inch SBC targets industrial applications with 9-36V wide-range DC-in - CNX Software ⚓ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/13/3-5-inch-sbc-targets-industrial-applications-with-9-36v-wide-range-dc-in/ ䷉ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest | Jun 13 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | 3.5-inch SBC targets industrial applications with 9-36V wide-range DC-in - CNX Software | Jun 13 09:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 13 09:31 | |
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| techrights-bot | Update on #Gemini , #IPFS , and #IRC • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/gemini-ipfs-and-irc/ ䷉ #Techrights #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/13/gemini-ipfs-and-irc/ | Jun 13 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Update on Gemini, IPFS, and IRC | Techrights | Jun 13 10:11 | |
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| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] freenode hijacked #fsf and #gnu. Can someone tell me the new /topics, because apparently they are interesting | Jun 13 11:15 |
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| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▅▄▅▃▆▆▃▅▆▅▄▅▄▅▄▅▄▆▄▃▄▅▄▅▇▆▆▇▅▂▁ avg(k/sec) 24.60 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▃▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▃▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 21.01▕ swarm size (avg): 244.32 ⟲ | Jun 13 11:21 |
| gustaf | immibis/tr: #fsf: "Unofficial IRC community channel for the FSF | Chat about free software | Transitional details of the official channel: https://u.fsf.org/3em | List of official channels: https://www.gnu.org/server/irc-rules.en.html" | Jun 13 11:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Jun 13 11:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | GNU and FSF related IRC channels - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Jun 13 11:24 | |
| gustaf | #gnu: "Community IRC channel for the GNU Project | Discuss or ask questions about any GNU-related software, or the GPL." | Jun 13 11:24 |
| gustaf | this was the original takeover topic change: | Jun 13 11:26 |
| gustaf | 2021-06-13 06:57:47 -- ChanServ has changed topic for #fsf from "Free Software Foundation | The FSF and GNU are transitioning their official project channels to Libera.chat. Read more about the decision and our rationale: https://u.fsf.org/3em | Member forum: <https://forum.members.fsf.org> | Watch the LP2021 videos: <https://media.libreplanet.org> | Ops: johnsu01 (FSF executive | Jun 13 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cas.fsf.org | Free Software FoundationCentral Login | Jun 13 11:26 | |
| gustaf | director), ggoes (FSF campaigns manager)" to "Chat about free software | Looking forhthe FSF? Thn FSF his moved - http://techrights.org/2021/06/12/fsf-irc-channels/" | Jun 13 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-media.libreplanet.org | GNU MediaGoblin | Jun 13 11:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Letter to the FSF About Taking Control of the FSF’s (and GNU’s) IRC Channels | Techrights | Jun 13 11:26 | |
| gustaf | people didn't feel the Techrights link was appropriate so it was eventually removed | Jun 13 11:27 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] so that's what people were talking about with the techrights link. It does seem really really strange to link techrights to that takeover | Jun 13 11:27 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] what does techrights have to do with it? | Jun 13 11:27 |
| gustaf | ggoes mentioned that adminning their own IRC server was out of the question | Jun 13 11:27 |
| gustaf | the topic was set by 'root', which seems to be rasengan | Jun 13 11:28 |
| gustaf | lemme know if you want a copy of my logs | Jun 13 11:29 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] depends if they are popcorn-worthy | Jun 13 11:29 |
| gustaf | not really | Jun 13 11:29 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] remind me why the freenode techrights channel says to support freenode | Jun 13 11:38 |
| schestowitz | [11:27] <gustaf> people didn't feel the Techrights link was appropriate so it was eventually removed | Jun 13 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Removed from where? | Jun 13 11:40 |
| schestowitz | IRC links cannot be removed | Jun 13 11:40 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] from the topic of #fsf | Jun 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). | Jun 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | * schestowitz_log_ already in use. Retrying with schestowitz_log_... | Jun 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | * schestowitz_log_ already in use. Retrying with schestowitz_log__... | Jun 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | * Nickname already in use. Use /NICK to try another. | Jun 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). | Jun 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | >nickserv< identify **** | Jun 13 11:41 |
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| schestowitz | * schestowitz_log sets mode +R schestowitz_log | Jun 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | * schestowitz_log sets mode +i schestowitz_log | Jun 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | This does not seem right | Jun 13 11:41 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] gustaf: but wait. They actually put a signpost in the topic themselves? lol | Jun 13 11:42 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] someone should tell them that violates freenode poilcy | Jun 13 11:42 |
| schestowitz | 10:37AM GMT | Jun 13 11:42 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] maybe the prince decided he didn't like your logging bot | Jun 13 11:42 |
| schestowitz | wow, FSF put a link to Techrights in the channel topic? | Jun 13 11:42 |
| gustaf | yes | Jun 13 11:43 |
| gustaf | well no | Jun 13 11:43 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] yes? scroll up a little bit and look at gustaf's message | Jun 13 11:43 |
| gustaf | Freenode staff did | Jun 13 11:43 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] oh right | Jun 13 11:43 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] no, it wasn't the FSF | Jun 13 11:43 |
| gustaf | after removing the FSF rep as owners of the channel | Jun 13 11:43 |
| gustaf | FSF no longer controls #fsf | Jun 13 11:43 |
| gustaf | on FReenode | Jun 13 11:43 |
| gustaf | https://status.fsf.org/notice/4214348 | Jun 13 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Software Foundation (fsf)'s status on Sunday, 13-Jun-2021 05:05:28 UTC - status.fsf.org | Jun 13 11:44 | |
| schestowitz | whoever is in charge of the network is self-immolating and has ZERO grasp of the Free software community, maybe of IRC also... | Jun 13 11:45 |
| gustaf | #python was taken over too | Jun 13 11:46 |
| techrights-bot | #freenode kids found a pistol, put the pistol to their own heads https://status.fsf.org/notice/4214348 | Jun 13 11:46 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #Monopolies ☞ Breaking up Big Tech in focus as new U.S. #antitrust bills introduced https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/breaking-up-big-tech-in-focus-as-new-u-s-antitrust-bills-introduced/83453121 | Jun 13 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | google: Breaking up Big Tech in focus as new U.S. antitrust bills introduced, IT News, ET CIO | Jun 13 11:47 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Monopolies ☞ House lawmakers introduce five bipartisan bills to unwind tech #monopolies https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/11/22529857/democrats-antitrust-big-tech-facebook-amazon-google-apple-competition-package-bills | Jun 13 11:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | House lawmakers introduce five bipartisan bills to unwind tech monopolies - The Verge | Jun 13 11:48 | |
| gustaf | 2021-06-13 08:01:05 ggoes CrystalMath: i just got an email from rms saying we made the right decision; funny how that works | Jun 13 11:49 |
| gustaf | times in CEST | Jun 13 11:49 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Bloomberg #Copyrights #Copyright ☞ Virtual Singers Headline Multibillion-Dollar Industry in China https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-12/virtual-singers-headline-multibillion-dollar-industry-in-china | Jun 13 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? | Jun 13 11:49 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] schestowitz: isn't that what people have been saying for the last few weeks? | Jun 13 11:49 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] ... and you've been denying for the last few weeks? or have I gotten mixed up? | Jun 13 11:49 |
| schestowitz | it didn't happen overnight | Jun 13 11:51 |
| schestowitz | they clearly don't know what they're doing... | Jun 13 11:51 |
| schestowitz | and only make it worse, starting with 700 channels being confiscated | Jun 13 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Lee said me it was a mistake and they would clarify | Jun 13 11:51 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] and, many people said it was not a mistake, and they are just saving face by saying it's a mistake, and they will continue doing similar things because it is not a mistake | Jun 13 11:53 |
| schestowitz | no, we assess the situation | Jun 13 11:53 |
| schestowitz | the assessment is changing over time | Jun 13 11:53 |
| schestowitz | either way, masters in IRC are not a good idea in general | Jun 13 11:53 |
| schestowitz | "irc cops" or owner cops | Jun 13 11:54 |
| schestowitz | either way, you're at the mercy of something else and for many years in techrights we advocated against it | Jun 13 11:54 |
| schestowitz | that's why we self-host videos, for example, and don't upload anywhere else | Jun 13 11:54 |
| schestowitz | FSF announced migration late on Friday | Jun 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | today is Sunday early | Jun 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | so not even a whole business day to digest the news | Jun 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | maybe 0 hours of a business day | Jun 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | I am going to check the FSF channel to see what's going on | Jun 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | [11:57] *** The channel topic is "Unofficial IRC community channel for the FSF | Chat about free software | Transitional details of the official channel: https://u.fsf.org/3em | List of official channels: https://www.gnu.org/server/irc-rules.en.html". | Jun 13 11:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Jun 13 11:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | GNU and FSF related IRC channels - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Jun 13 11:58 | |
| schestowitz | is that not what they set it to? | Jun 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | 225 people still there, or "users" | Jun 13 11:58 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] gustaf seems to have more logs | Jun 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | so clearly not many have had the chance to move | Jun 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | I just need clarity and facts | Jun 13 11:58 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] which facts? is it not clear that #fsf is now controlled by freenode staff instead of FSF staff? | Jun 13 11:59 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #WhatsApp Does Not Have To Immediately Suspend Accounts Reported For Piracy https://torrentfreak.com/whatsapp-does-not-have-to-immediately-suspend-accounts-reported-for-piracy-210612/ | Jun 13 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WhatsApp Does Not Have To Immediately Suspend Accounts Reported For Piracy * TorrentFreak | Jun 13 11:59 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] check the chanserv access list perhaps | Jun 13 11:59 |
| schestowitz | what time exactly did this happen? | Jun 13 12:00 |
| schestowitz | I want to compare to other events | Jun 13 12:00 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] i think about 7 hours ago? | Jun 13 12:00 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] based on when people started talking about it on libera | Jun 13 12:00 |
| schestowitz | the schestowitz_log account lost the connection along with many other amid netsplit | Jun 13 12:01 |
| schestowitz | so I doubt anything nefarious there | Jun 13 12:01 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] FSF were kicked off freenode | Jun 13 12:01 |
| gustaf | 2021-06-13 06:45:57 -- Mode #fsf [-o ggoes] by OperServ | Jun 13 12:01 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] amin bandali, a dear friend of mine, k-lined | Jun 13 12:01 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] 4:49:41 UTC | Jun 13 12:01 |
| gustaf | CEST | Jun 13 12:01 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] stop defending andrew | Jun 13 12:01 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] you are just looking stupid | Jun 13 12:01 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] Ariadne: I think schestowitz is starting to come around to the fact that andrewnet is not a good network | Jun 13 12:01 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] Ariadne: don't jinx it | Jun 13 12:01 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i am frustrated, but unsurprised by all of this | Jun 13 12:02 |
| *phobos (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights | Jun 13 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | mind you, the situation today isn't the same as a week ago | Jun 13 12:02 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] yes it is | Jun 13 12:03 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] everything has played out exactly as i predicted it would | Jun 13 12:03 |
| gustaf | 2021-06-13 07:14:51 ← bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 12:03 |
| gustaf | CEST | Jun 13 12:03 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] indeed, the situation is pretty much how everyone expected except for you. There is just more evidence to back that expectation now | Jun 13 12:03 |
| gustaf | I'll be happy to upload my logs to an appropriate site | Jun 13 12:03 |
| schestowitz | 11:14 AM I guess | Jun 13 12:04 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] perhaps you were inexperienced in understanding the ways petty tyrants think | Jun 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | 50 mins ago | Jun 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | half an hour after the netsplit | Jun 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: yes, please | Jun 13 12:05 |
| schestowitz | I want to see the conversation/context that led to this action | Jun 13 12:05 |
| schestowitz | (not that it is OK) | Jun 13 12:05 |
| schestowitz | maybe several hours prior | Jun 13 12:05 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] the conversation would have happened on #staff | Jun 13 12:06 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] unfortunately staff are NDA'd so i doubt you will be seeing it | Jun 13 12:06 |
| gustaf | lemme try to get it onto some gists | Jun 13 12:06 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] but i can imagine it went like this | Jun 13 12:06 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ #G7 Promotes Tax Deal for the 1%—Not the 99% https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/12/g7-promotes-tax-deal-1-not-99 | Jun 13 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | G7 Promotes Tax Deal for the 1%—Not the 99% | José Antonio Ocampo | Jun 13 12:06 | |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] <rasengan> FUCK THE FSF, LETS MAKE IRC GREAT AGAIN | Jun 13 12:06 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Patents ☞ Lack of #Patent Waiver Would Add Over $70 Billion to Cost of Vaccinating World: #Oxfam https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/12/lack-patent-waiver-would-add-over-70-billion-cost-vaccinating-world-oxfam | Jun 13 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Lack of Patent Waiver Would Add Over $70 Billion to Cost of Vaccinating World: Oxfam | Common Dreams News | Jun 13 12:06 | |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] <some other dude> YEAH GREAT | Jun 13 12:06 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] i imagine there was no conversation. Channel moves to libera => seize channel. Job done. No discussion needed. | Jun 13 12:06 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] <some other other dude> LETS SICK THAT FREENODECOM BOT ON IT | Jun 13 12:07 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] Ariadne: hyperbole does not help your case | Jun 13 12:07 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] immibis: nah they chatted about EVERYTHING like that in #staff | Jun 13 12:07 |
| schestowitz | it makes it sound real, but can mislead some people | Jun 13 12:07 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i guarantee you | Jun 13 12:07 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] rasengan | Jun 13 12:07 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] i'm gonna need some evidence before i believe staff are that stupid, i know they're stupid, but not *so* stupid they feel the need to circlejerk about it in their private channel | Jun 13 12:08 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] said something like "fuck the fsf, lets make irc great again" | Jun 13 12:08 |
| schestowitz | PIA was the buggest sponsor of FSF last year, so that must have hurt | Jun 13 12:08 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i spent all of last year with him on my testnet | Jun 13 12:08 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] schestowitz: PIA is owned by kape since 2018 | Jun 13 12:08 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jun 13 12:08 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] not andrew | Jun 13 12:08 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] andrew thinks he can buy whatever he wants with money | Jun 13 12:08 |
| schestowitz | anyway, let's see if gustaf can show logs | Jun 13 12:08 |
| schestowitz | no | Jun 13 12:09 |
| schestowitz | with debt | Jun 13 12:09 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] bought freenode, tried to buy the FSF, tried to buy fosshost | Jun 13 12:09 |
| gustaf | I'll include the #freenode logs I have too, 12-13 Jun | Jun 13 12:09 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] analysis of the court filings show a lot of this is actually debt like schestowitz says | Jun 13 12:09 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] (tried to buy freenode, if you consider that all he really got was a domain name) | Jun 13 12:09 |
| gustaf | again, good place to upload these to ? | Jun 13 12:09 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #MintPressNews ☞ Jessica Ashooh: The Taming of #Reddit and the National Security State Plant Tabbed to Do It https://www.mintpressnews.com/jessica-ashooh-reddit-national-security-state-plant/277639/ | Jun 13 12:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mintpressnews.com | Jessica Ashooh: The Taming of Reddit and the National Security State Plant Tabbed to Do It | Jun 13 12:09 | |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] anyway | Jun 13 12:10 |
| gustaf | GH gist doesn't seem to be good for bigger files | Jun 13 12:10 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] schestowitz you can't support andrew after he took over the FSF channels | Jun 13 12:10 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] like, that is just | Jun 13 12:10 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: thanks | Jun 13 12:10 |
| schestowitz | I want to see what led up to it | Jun 13 12:10 |
| schestowitz | they didn't take action the whole of saturday | Jun 13 12:11 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] what led up to it is that andrew felt like doing it | Jun 13 12:11 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] probably on a whim | Jun 13 12:11 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: size? | Jun 13 12:11 |
| schestowitz | of file? | Jun 13 12:11 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i think he feeds on the drama | Jun 13 12:11 |
| schestowitz | no github please | Jun 13 12:11 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] makes him feel important | Jun 13 12:11 |
| gustaf | 225KB zipped | Jun 13 12:11 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] I don't think so. I think he just likes having power and doesn't like people leaving his sphere of power | Jun 13 12:12 |
| schestowitz | email to r@schestowitz com | Jun 13 12:12 |
| gustaf | fair warning you're gonna get an email from gmail ;) | Jun 13 12:12 |
| schestowitz | I want to see the logs before I can make up my mind fully | Jun 13 12:12 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i mean | Jun 13 12:12 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] admittedly | Jun 13 12:12 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i have not seen the logs either | Jun 13 12:12 |
| schestowitz | because a network that doesn't respect free expression if problematic | Jun 13 12:12 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i just woke up to "oh, #fsf got taken over" | Jun 13 12:12 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: I will open email after you send the #fsf logs | Jun 13 12:13 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] can we not estimate that #fsf was taken over for the *exact same reason* as *every other channel* that was taken over? | Jun 13 12:13 |
| schestowitz | the blowback from such takeover it epic-ly higher | Jun 13 12:13 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] immibis: i think it is likely yes | Jun 13 12:14 |
| schestowitz | the sooner the realise it, the better, but beyond inflection point already | Jun 13 12:14 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] especially since the channel met the same preconditions as all the other channels? | Jun 13 12:14 |
| gustaf | bbl lunch | Jun 13 12:14 |
| techrights-bot | #freenode has taken over the #fsf channel and K-lined some FSF people (at least an emeritus) http://techrights.org/irc/ (recent logs, will change over time) | Jun 13 12:15 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i can tell you this | Jun 13 12:16 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] bandali did not do anything wrong | Jun 13 12:16 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] and should not have been k-lined | Jun 13 12:16 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] he is a person of outstanding moral character | Jun 13 12:17 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] character witnesses are worthless | Jun 13 12:18 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-12 23:34:11←immibis (~immibis@62.156.144.218) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 12:19 |
| schestowitz | this cannot be faked | Jun 13 12:19 |
| schestowitz | must have been something said in another channel | Jun 13 12:19 |
| schestowitz | as there is no activity in #FSF from that person in preceding hours | Jun 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe they draw up a "freenode enemies list" | Jun 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 02:21:27←rbraun (vaF3IrtE@gateway/shell/club.cc.cmu.edu/x-mbgbjftlzntyfool) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | we also saw it here in this channel | Jun 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 02:34:05←yano (~yano@unaffiliated/yano) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 12:21 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 02:38:57←hl (~hl@unaffiliated/hl) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 12:21 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 06:28:38→cyndaquil (~job@45.58.46.81) has joined #fsf | Jun 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 06:30:01←cyndaquil (~job@45.58.46.81) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:14:51←bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 08:15:35oaken-sourceggoes: have you asked in #freenode to have the /topic line changed? | Jun 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 08:15:54ggoesi'd rather not be k-lined tonight | Jun 13 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 08:49:31←KindOne (kindone@unaffiliated/kindone) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | wasn't that staff? | Jun 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 09:01:40←xkcn (travankor@gateway/shell/tilde.team/x-pidgsjdomtwhajqz) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 09:01:40←badast (badastrona@gateway/shell/tilde.team/x-neyrqjnstuhmriwk) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 12:23 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] indeed, they are banning freenode enemies, ironically while claiming they do not censor people. Typical fascist tactic | Jun 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if someone smoked something or masturbated while doing all those purges | Jun 13 12:23 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] not every pleasure is sexual, schestowitz | Jun 13 12:24 |
| schestowitz | it's a losing strtagey and it won't work | Jun 13 12:24 |
| schestowitz | any person they kill amplifies the blowback | Jun 13 12:24 |
| schestowitz | hydra style | Jun 13 12:24 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] when has fascism ever worked? | Jun 13 12:24 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] be glad these people only have control of an IRC network and not a country | Jun 13 12:24 |
| schestowitz | I didn't say it was sexual, that's why I joked about narcotics | Jun 13 12:24 |
| schestowitz | it's short-sighted gratification to kick someone out | Jun 13 12:25 |
| schestowitz | reading on... | Jun 13 12:25 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't say if those people got banned for saying something in another channel | Jun 13 12:25 |
| schestowitz | but the removals were many this morning | Jun 13 12:25 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] they got banned for being freenode enemies in other channels | Jun 13 12:25 |
| schestowitz | not in bulk | Jun 13 12:25 |
| schestowitz | specific and surgical | Jun 13 12:26 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] if you criticize freenode, you get banned. One of them got banned for writing a chit saying rasengan deleted his previous chit (which was true) | Jun 13 12:26 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 06:44:35TheRedHorsemano/ | Jun 13 12:26 |
| schestowitz | That's "eskimo" in the #fsf channel | Jun 13 12:26 |
| schestowitz | with a new nickname | Jun 13 12:26 |
| schestowitz | does he still have oper powers in freenode/ | Jun 13 12:27 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 06:45:02 *TheRedHorseman trots around in a circle, eyes gleaming red in the dark | Jun 13 12:27 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 06:46:56bandali^ | Jun 13 12:27 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 06:48:20TheRedHorsemanNO MORE SMEAR CAMPAIGNS | Jun 13 12:28 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 06:48:28TheRedHorsemanYOU OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITIES YOU SERVE | Jun 13 12:28 |
| schestowitz | shouting always works | Jun 13 12:28 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 06:57:47--ChanServ has changed topic for #fsf from "Free Software Foundation | The FSF and GNU are transitioning their official project channels to Libera.chat. Read more about the decision and our rationale: https://u.fsf.org/3em | Member forum: <https://forum.members.fsf.org> | Watch the LP2021 videos: <https://media.libreplanet.org> | Ops: johnsu01 (FSF executive director), ggoes (FSF campaigns manager)" to "Chat about | Jun 13 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Jun 13 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | free software | Looking for the FSF? The FSF has moved - http://techrights.org/2021/06/12/fsf-irc-channels/" | Jun 13 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cas.fsf.org | Free Software FoundationCentral Login | Jun 13 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | That was 9 minutes later | Jun 13 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-media.libreplanet.org | GNU MediaGoblin | Jun 13 12:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Letter to the FSF About Taking Control of the FSF’s (and GNU’s) IRC Channels | Techrights | Jun 13 12:28 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] https://pastebin.com/Y4m9ZVhW the chit thing | Jun 13 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-* habnabit__ (32f0dc45@50-240-220-69-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined - Pastebin.com | Jun 13 12:29 | |
| schestowitz | I have to go | Jun 13 12:30 |
| schestowitz | my popcorn is ready | Jun 13 12:30 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:02:39bandalilol at least link an article that contains a link to the actual official announcement by the fsf | Jun 13 12:30 |
| schestowitz | [12:22] <schestowitz> 2021-06-13 07:14:51 ← bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 12:30 |
| schestowitz | so that was 11 minutes later | Jun 13 12:31 |
| schestowitz | before the "horse" knocked him over | Jun 13 12:31 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:04:21rootPutting spam in the topic is not permitted. | Jun 13 12:31 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:04:30bandalidefine spam | Jun 13 12:31 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:05:23bandaliso now the official announcement by the fsf is spam? | Jun 13 12:31 |
| schestowitz | so it was all about the topic | Jun 13 12:31 |
| schestowitz | calling it spam | Jun 13 12:31 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:05:51rootThe official announcement from "FSF" is on their website. | Jun 13 12:31 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:05:51rootThe official announcement from "FSF" is on their website. | Jun 13 12:32 |
| schestowitz | huh? | Jun 13 12:32 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] rasengan has been very consistent that pointing people to other IRC networks is considered spam | Jun 13 12:32 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:06:02dragestiltechrights is spam | Jun 13 12:32 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:06:05bandaliso what's spam? | Jun 13 12:32 |
| schestowitz | who is dragestil? | Jun 13 12:32 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] he was forced to allow a loophole via the official website of the project because otherwise he couldn't maintain the fiction that it was all about spam all along | Jun 13 12:32 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:06:09bandalitechrights is spam? then delete it | Jun 13 12:33 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:06:12root#fsf is an IRC channel on the freenode IRC network where use is a privilege not a right. | Jun 13 12:33 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:06:18CrystalMathtechrights is not spam | Jun 13 12:33 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:06:23bandaliwhat the fuck does that mean? | Jun 13 12:33 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] i think s/he means techrights in the topic of #fsf is more spammy than the official move announcement was, and that announcement was removed for "spam", therefore the techrights link should also be removed for "spam" | Jun 13 12:33 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:06:25rootCode of Conduct is outlined on the freenode policy page. It's QUITE lengthy! | Jun 13 12:33 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:06:32rootLet me share | Jun 13 12:33 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:06:37ggoeswhile we're making announcements https://nitter.fdn.fr/fsf/status/1403941542532952067#m | https://hostux.social/@fsf/106401675608265204 | Jun 13 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.fdn.fr | Free Software Fndn. (@fsf): "Despite our plans for a gradual transition, FSF staff and GNU volunteers are no longer in control of the #fsf and #gnu channels on the Freenode network. Please find us at http://libera.chat instead." | FDNitter | Jun 13 12:33 | |
| schestowitz | So now freenode has a Code of Conduct | Jun 13 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsf: "Despite our plans for a gradual transition, FSF s…" - Hostux.social | Jun 13 12:34 | |
| schestowitz | that says techrights links are spam or something? Who is dragestil? | Jun 13 12:34 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:06:45rootNo spamming or scamming | Jun 13 12:34 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jun 13 12:34 |
| schestowitz | what did Kape do? | Jun 13 12:34 |
| schestowitz | before the rename? | Jun 13 12:34 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:07:01bandalithank you ggoes | Jun 13 12:35 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:07:15bandalilol no flooding, then proceeds to flood the channel. nice | Jun 13 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | I think I see what begets the k-line then | Jun 13 12:35 |
| schestowitz | it it was def. about the channel topic change | Jun 13 12:35 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] schestowitz: the code of conduct is to not redirect people to other networks | Jun 13 12:35 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:10:41dragestilI'm dropping my nick now, bye everyone | Jun 13 12:35 |
| schestowitz | immibis: so now they have a CoCo | Jun 13 12:36 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jun 13 12:36 |
| schestowitz | *CoC | Jun 13 12:36 |
| schestowitz | and at the same time oppose cancel culture? | Jun 13 12:36 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: no, this is the ToS | Jun 13 12:36 |
| schestowitz | We all saw how a CoC is used for exactly those sorts of witch hunts | Jun 13 12:36 |
| schestowitz | GNU/FSF REJECT a CoC | Jun 13 12:36 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] You appear to be trying to deduce the *hidden* rule set that freenode staff use, but for some reason, you are going to great lengths to make the deductions that cast the freenode staff in the most favourable possible light. | Jun 13 12:36 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: he pasted the entire "code of conduct" | Jun 13 12:36 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: that links to birdsite/nitter | Jun 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | is there an official freenode page? | Jun 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | that's now some random quip somewhere in an NSA site? | Jun 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:11:32stonecoldroot: is this your second or third line of cocaine buddy? | Jun 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-13 07:12:25←stonecold (ac3a632c@172.58.99.44) has quit (Disconnected by services) | Jun 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | "Disconnected by services)" | Jun 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | I will scan the logs on that too | Jun 13 12:37 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] schestowitz: https://freenode.net/policies here is the CoC | Jun 13 12:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | The Policies - freenode | Jun 13 12:38 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] No spamming or scamming / No flooding / No promotion of violence / No illegal pornographic material / freenode staff may disconnect clients for any reason | Jun 13 12:38 |
| schestowitz | 2.5 minutes later: "bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined)" | Jun 13 12:38 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] you will notice that nothing here says "no telling people you moved to libera in the topic". They have chosen to *interpret* such a thing as "spam". Using the usual loophole where you can interpret the CoC in any way you want at the moment | Jun 13 12:39 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ NYC Mayoral Candidate Eric Adams Rebuked for 'Dangerous' 400-Students-to-1-Teacher Theory https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/12/nyc-mayoral-candidate-eric-adams-rebuked-dangerous-400-students-1-teacher-theory | Jun 13 12:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | NYC Mayoral Candidate Eric Adams Rebuked for 'Dangerous' 400-Students-to-1-Teacher Theory | Common Dreams News | Jun 13 12:39 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] you can ban people for whatever you want, simply by saying that thing is spamming | Jun 13 12:39 |
| schestowitz | who is dragestil? | Jun 13 12:41 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] some bystander, probably. why does it matter? | Jun 13 12:41 |
| schestowitz | fsf? freenode? neither? | Jun 13 12:41 |
| schestowitz | the FSF won't be posting these logs | Jun 13 12:41 |
| schestowitz | maybe I can do a video to explain the chain of events there? | Jun 13 12:42 |
| techrights-bot | "you will find the article written by a Polish graduate student about how he finished his academic year rejecting every non-Free program that his teachers tried to make him run." - RMS in Brazil chat at about 37:00 http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ | Jun 13 12:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights | Jun 13 12:44 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] why would his affiliation matter? to me he looks like a bystander making a random comment | Jun 13 12:44 |
| techrights-bot | iophk: "he mistakely considers that the teachers are calling the shots. in most institutions, the #microsoft resellers decide on not just the tools but the curriculum." re https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20970415 | Jun 13 12:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "you will find the article written by a Polish graduate student about how he finished his academic year rejecting every non-Free program that his teachers tried to make him run." - RMS in Brazil chat at about 37:00 http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ | Jun 13 12:44 | |
| schestowitz | immibis seems to me like someone trying to cancel the site by false insinuations | Jun 13 12:46 |
| schestowitz | the article there and the video are on topic and serious | Jun 13 12:46 |
| schestowitz | not even remotely spamming | Jun 13 12:46 |
| schestowitz | some people lobbied RMS to try to 'cancel' us | Jun 13 12:46 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] schestowitz: I don't believe he is saying techrights is generally spam, but he is saying that putting it in the /topic of #fsf is spam | Jun 13 12:46 |
| schestowitz | thankfully he did not fall for it | Jun 13 12:46 |
| schestowitz | instead, he defended us | Jun 13 12:46 |
| schestowitz | immibis so why say that? | Jun 13 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's a freenode stakeholder? | Jun 13 12:47 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] if the /topic of #fsf is not allowed to say the FSF is moving to libera, why is the /topic of #fsf allowed to link to techrights? One of those is far more on-topic than the other, and yet it's still considered spam | Jun 13 12:47 |
| schestowitz | fsf needs to worry about fsf and software freedom | Jun 13 12:47 |
| schestowitz | not some random IRC network | Jun 13 12:47 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] it is about FSF | Jun 13 12:47 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] it is not some random IRC network, it is saying which IRC network the FSF is on | Jun 13 12:48 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] that is important information relevant to the FSF | Jun 13 12:48 |
| schestowitz | true | Jun 13 12:48 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] no different than if it said "the fsf has moved to freesoftwarefoundation.org" | Jun 13 12:48 |
| schestowitz | hang on a bit... does anyone here think this is worth covering (objectively)? | Jun 13 12:48 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather move on and write about patents | Jun 13 12:48 |
| schestowitz | but freenode is killing itselfg | Jun 13 12:48 |
| schestowitz | and we have a stake in the outcome | Jun 13 12:49 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] it will not be objective, no matter how hard you try | Jun 13 12:49 |
| techrights-bot | #ifixit in latest in #righttorepair https://www.ifixit.com/News/50722/victory-new-york-senate-passes-landmark-right-to-repair-bill blocked by javascript | Jun 13 12:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Victory! New York Senate Passes Landmark Right to Repair Bill - iFixit | Jun 13 12:49 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] when people say they are writing objectively I worry they are not writing objectively, only pretending to write objectively | Jun 13 12:49 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] and that they want to pretend their biased opinion is objective so that more people will accept it | Jun 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | I know what you mean | Jun 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | the tone and choice of works, choice of focus, omission | Jun 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | anyway, we have the FSF logs so we can make up our minds | Jun 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | I will upload them so people in this channel can see and judge for themselves | Jun 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | I will first check there is no identifying stuff in there | Jun 13 12:51 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-12 00:39:04 Pricey bagira: Stupid question. I see more than 1 "is now known as nickserv" in my logs. Is the account above definitely accurate? | Jun 13 12:53 |
| schestowitz | this is objective: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt | Jun 13 12:55 |
| schestowitz | no editing | Jun 13 12:55 |
| schestowitz | no redactions seen as needed, saw no addresses or passwords | Jun 13 12:55 |
| schestowitz | the interesting parts are the past few hours | Jun 13 12:55 |
| techrights-bot | In case you heard about #fsf channel at #freenode being taken over, here are the raw logs leading up to it (no comments/remarks added by me) http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt | Jun 13 12:56 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut #Colombia ☞ A National Strike Has Reignited in Colombia - and Is Winning Some Victories https://truthout.org/articles/a-national-strike-has-reignited-in-colombia-and-is-winning-some-victories/ | Jun 13 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | A National Strike Has Reignited in Colombia -- and Is Winning Some Victories | Jun 13 12:57 | |
| techrights-bot | "other countries need to stand up to #Twitter like #Nigeria is doing" -iophk | Jun 13 12:57 |
| schestowitz | gemini FUD du jour: | Jun 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | x https://alex.flounder.online/gemlog/2021-01-08-useless.gmi | Jun 13 12:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alex.flounder.online | Gemini is Useless | Jun 13 12:58 | |
| schestowitz | x https://gerikson.com/blog/comm/Why-u-no-gemini.html | Jun 13 12:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gerikson.com | Why Gemini is not my favorite internet protocol - The occasional scrivener - Gustaf Erikson's weblog | Jun 13 12:58 | |
| techrights-bot | #clickbait title but people understand what #microsoft is up to https://clarity.kleydints.com/a-post-mortem-in-5-acts-of-how-microsoft-privatized-open-source-killing-javascript-in-the-process-62ee5fc77d9e same with #java (still) http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/java-schism-to-wrest-control/ | Jun 13 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-clarity.kleydints.com | A Post-Mortem in 5 Acts, of How Microsoft Privatized Open Source, killing JavaScript in the Process | by Alex Kleydints | Clarity | Jun 13 12:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | History’s Lesson: Microsoft Now Does to GNU/Linux What It Did to Java (Creating ‘Schism’ to ‘Wrest Control’) | Techrights | Jun 13 12:59 | |
| techrights-bot | iophk: #twitter is the opposite of free speech; it is inaccurate to conflate the two; | Jun 13 13:00 |
| techrights-bot | #billgates AND #microsoft bribe #npr so the quality of 'journalism' is nowadays too low, articles self-censoring https://text.npr.org/1004874311 iophk: "no. the presence of Windows on the Internet is fueling the attacks. remove it." | Jun 13 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | How Bitcoin Has Fueled Ransomware Attacks | Jun 13 13:02 | |
| techrights-bot | #righttorepair gains https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/right-to-repair-bill-passes-in-ny-state:9 activism against thugs and criminals. http://techrights.org/2019/08/04/righttorepair/ | Jun 13 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Right to Repair bill PASSES in NY state senate! What now? | Jun 13 13:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s War on the Right to Repair (One’s Own Computers) Makes Lundgren an ‘Enemy’ to Microsoft | Techrights | Jun 13 13:05 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ Business Coalition Spends Millions to Lobby Against Biden's Proposed Tax Hikes https://truthout.org/articles/business-coalition-spends-millions-to-lobby-against-bidens-proposed-tax-hikes/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 | Jun 13 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Business Coalition Spends Millions to Lobby Against Biden's Proposed Tax Hikes | Jun 13 13:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters | Jun 13 13:05 | |
| techrights-bot | #ibm #layoff #pip "guy i knew went to 100% club and 2 months later was on a pip" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjfb0lj#replies | Jun 13 13:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 13:07 | |
| techrights-bot | This #IBM company can’t compete, can’t fix anything, the only thing it knows how to do is to abandon stuff." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1beUeseK#replies they also attack decent people http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/ | Jun 13 13:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | When will next RA in System BU's Power Line - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 13:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights | Jun 13 13:08 | |
| techrights-bot | New: "What does IBM do best? Answer: abandon stuff… [...] IBM will end up a mainframe company only. The reason is because the mainframe is the only place where they have a monopoly and no competition." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1beUeseK#replies | Jun 13 13:08 |
| techrights-bot | New: " #OpenShift is already a commodity that #IBM wants the customers to pay for when they (customers) can get Kubernetes for free. Not to mention that a lot of customers see no point to run everything in containers. Bottom line, #RedHat will be sold off within 5 years at a huge loss." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1beUeseK#replies | Jun 13 13:09 |
| techrights-bot | The RSS feeds of the #meduza Web site has been down for over a week. They never reply when I report it to them. Their loss.... and they could really use allies at these times.... | Jun 13 13:11 |
| *unoccupied is now known as leah | Jun 13 13:11 | |
| techrights-bot | #Russia fines #Facebook , #Telegram over banned content https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-technology-government-and-politics-cea2b0203f13a2e6e17951f2eb570a31 #socialcontrolmedia #ru | Jun 13 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | Russia fines Facebook, Telegram over banned content | Jun 13 13:11 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] wonder if schestowit-z will accept that other people were right about the direction freenode was going | Jun 13 13:12 |
| schestowitz | leah: what is your assessment of the situation? Or rather, what's going on at #fsf at the moment? | Jun 13 13:12 |
| schestowitz | I see you changed nickname | Jun 13 13:12 |
| schestowitz | immibis it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy | Jun 13 13:12 |
| schestowitz | as they try to instigate the exodus | Jun 13 13:12 |
| schestowitz | and freenode doesn't know how to handle that | Jun 13 13:12 |
| schestowitz | freenode is now freenode's own enemy | Jun 13 13:13 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] freenode was freenode's own enemy since the first purge | Jun 13 13:13 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jun 13 13:16 |
| schestowitz | those 700 channel confiscation | Jun 13 13:16 |
| schestowitz | that was a MAJOR turning point | Jun 13 13:16 |
| schestowitz | presumption of innocence gone in 60 seconds | Jun 13 13:16 |
| *chikorita (~chikorita@136.158.16.164) has joined #techrights | Jun 13 13:17 | |
| techrights-bot | old: Massive dihydrogen monoxide leak at Cattenom nuclear plant https://today.rtl.lu/entertainment/the-luxembourg-wurst/a/1713768.html #luxembourg | Jun 13 13:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-today.rtl.lu | RTL Today - The Luxembourg Wurst: Massive dihydrogen monoxide leak at Cattenom nuclear plant | Jun 13 13:17 | |
| gustaf | schestowitz: I tried to be fair and balanced about Gemini | Jun 13 13:18 |
| schestowitz | we have the next 7 parts ready for the EPO series | Jun 13 13:18 |
| schestowitz | lots of good findings in there | Jun 13 13:18 |
| gustaf | and that Flounder post is actually a defence | Jun 13 13:18 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: of gemini? | Jun 13 13:18 |
| gustaf | I suggest you read them before proclaiming it fud | Jun 13 13:18 |
| gustaf | yes | Jun 13 13:18 |
| schestowitz | let me reread more | Jun 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | someone mailed it to me | Jun 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | "What I'd argue, though, is that Gemini's "uselessness" is its killer feature | Jun 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Seems like partly tongue in cheek, so the title is clickbait | Jun 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | the title says the opposite of what's true, maybe as means of sarcasm | Jun 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | sarcastic headlines aren't helpful | Jun 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | many people pre-judge by those | Jun 13 13:20 |
| schestowitz | some don't even click | Jun 13 13:20 |
| schestowitz | search engines, rss feeds | Jun 13 13:20 |
| gustaf | more discussions here https://lobste.rs/s/3nsvkk/gemini_is_useless && https://lobste.rs/s/vhlagb/why_gemini_is_not_my_favorite_internet | Jun 13 13:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lobste.rs | Gemini is Useless | Lobsters | Jun 13 13:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lobste.rs | Why Gemini is not my favorite internet protocol | Lobsters | Jun 13 13:20 | |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▄▅▇▄▆▄▄▅▃▅▆▃▂▆▆▆▅▆▆▄▅▃▅▆▆▇▇▄▄▄▅▆▆▃▃▅▁ avg(k/sec) 24.45 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▁▃▂▂▂▃▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 6.18▕ swarm size (avg): 244.37 ⟲ | Jun 13 13:20 |
| gustaf | also https://thomask.sdf.org/blog/2021/06/12/beyond-gemini.html | Jun 13 13:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thomask.sdf.org | Beyond Gemini? | Jun 13 13:20 | |
| schestowitz | this one is new | Jun 13 13:21 |
| schestowitz | and related to the other (much older one) | Jun 13 13:21 |
| schestowitz | the headline is at least not misleading | Jun 13 13:21 |
| schestowitz | I do gemini with nano | Jun 13 13:22 |
| gustaf | there seems to be a lot of tension between those Gemini users who want to isolate themselves and those who want to proselytise | Jun 13 13:22 |
| schestowitz | and it's easy to run, maintain | Jun 13 13:22 |
| schestowitz | lots of good in it | Jun 13 13:22 |
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| gustaf | even harder to convey meaning if you can't even bold or italic to emphasize ;) | Jun 13 13:22 |
| gustaf | HTML4 w/ minimal javascript (not 3rd party) is a sweet spot | Jun 13 13:23 |
| gustaf | Gemini goes too far imho | Jun 13 13:23 |
| techrights-bot | "I was wondering how I could setup a way to mirror my gemini site to HTML" (some sites like #distrotube already do just that) https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006679.html | Jun 13 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | A good way to generate HTML Pages from a static site | Jun 13 13:23 | |
| techrights-bot | NEW: #gmitodo : Shared to-do/task list over #geminiProtocol https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006678.html | Jun 13 13:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [ANN] gmitodo: Shared to-do/task list | Jun 13 13:24 | |
| techrights-bot | #MoonGem 1.4 + Docker Image https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006682.html #internet #geminiSpace #geminiProtocol | Jun 13 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | MoonGem 1.4 + Docker Image | Jun 13 13:25 | |
| schestowitz | gustaf: you can | Jun 13 13:25 |
| schestowitz | e.g. Roy *IS* happy | Jun 13 13:25 |
| schestowitz | or it /isn't/ correct | Jun 13 13:25 |
| schestowitz | then, some gemini browsers might even deal with it as some email, nntp and irc clients do | Jun 13 13:26 |
| schestowitz | if you toggle that on | Jun 13 13:26 |
| schestowitz | and then that becomes a convention | Jun 13 13:26 |
| schestowitz | some social control media sites do the same | Jun 13 13:26 |
| schestowitz | but it doesn't pad the text with any additional meta cruft | Jun 13 13:26 |
| schestowitz | you could, in theory, also use unicode | Jun 13 13:26 |
| schestowitz | 𝙏𝙚𝙘𝙝𝙧𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩𝙨 | Jun 13 13:26 |
| schestowitz | тє¢няιﻭнтѕ | Jun 13 13:27 |
| schestowitz | 𝓣𝓮𝓬𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓰𝓱𝓽𝓼 | Jun 13 13:27 |
| schestowitz | 𝖳𝖾𝖼𝗁𝗋𝗂𝗀𝗁𝗍𝗌 | Jun 13 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Even stuff like Ⓣⓔⓒⓗⓡⓘⓖⓗⓣⓢ | Jun 13 13:27 |
| schestowitz | and it's all unicode | Jun 13 13:27 |
| schestowitz | fully supported by gemini (utf-8) | Jun 13 13:27 |
| gustaf | anyway I just wrote it in case I get into an argument on HN or something | Jun 13 13:27 |
| gustaf | and a buddy posted it to lobste.rs | Jun 13 13:27 |
| schestowitz | whether blind people with screen readers have software that kept up is another matter | Jun 13 13:27 |
| gustaf | damn RSS | Jun 13 13:27 |
| gustaf | Gemini needs a browser extension for Chrome/Firefox | Jun 13 13:28 |
| gustaf | also better discoverability | Jun 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | there is | Jun 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | but it sucks | Jun 13 13:28 |
| gustaf | :( | Jun 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | it just links to a www proxy | Jun 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | brave need to add nature support | Jun 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | thunderbird now 'supports' gemini | Jun 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | it recognise gemini:// links] | Jun 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | then redirects clicks to mime type handling in OS/system level | Jun 13 13:29 |
| schestowitz | https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006641.html | Jun 13 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Packaging status of Gemini browsers in distros (was: Thunderbird 78.11.0 recognizes gemini:// URLs ! 💗) | Jun 13 13:29 | |
| schestowitz | that's mozilla | Jun 13 13:29 |
| schestowitz | maybe they'll do something for mozilla firefox too, if the google masters allow their chef baker to shake their www monopoly | Jun 13 13:29 |
| techrights-bot | "The video which was supposed to be a few minutes long ended up taking a lot longer, but it does cover a broad range of topics that are relevant and very recent (based on recent developments).” • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/gemini-ipfs-and-irc/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/13/gemini-ipfs-and-irc/ | Jun 13 13:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Update on Gemini, IPFS, and IRC | Techrights | Jun 13 13:30 | |
| techrights-bot | #GitOps Days 2021 Tracklist ⚓ https://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2021-06-13-gitops-days-2021-tracklist/ ䷉ #daniel | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest | Jun 13 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-daniel.holba.ch | GitOps Days 2021 Tracklist | Jun 13 13:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 13 13:32 | |
| techrights-bot | Weekly poll results: #HarmonyOS shows early promise - GSMArena.com news ⚓ https://www.gsmarena.com/weekly_poll_resultsharmonyos_gets_the_benefit_of_the_doubt-news-49556.php ䷉ #gsmarena | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest | Jun 13 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Weekly poll results: HarmonyOS shows early promise - GSMArena.com news | Jun 13 13:32 | |
| leah | schestowitz: my assessment is that i just woke up, and haven't read the backlog yet. however, the new operators of #fsf have given me op power there | Jun 13 13:32 |
| leah | freenode #fsf that is | Jun 13 13:32 |
| leah | i'm now reading all my backlogs | Jun 13 13:33 |
| schestowitz | leah: we have the log | Jun 13 13:33 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt | Jun 13 13:33 |
| schestowitz | past 2 days, unedited | Jun 13 13:33 |
| schestowitz | someone there alleged techrights is "spam" | Jun 13 13:33 |
| schestowitz | no idea who that is | Jun 13 13:33 |
| leah | btw i'm neutral about freenode/libera. i regard the #fsf channel on freenode now as unofficial. the one on the other network is official | Jun 13 13:33 |
| schestowitz | leah: it is a false dichotomy to me | Jun 13 13:34 |
| schestowitz | RMS responded to me about it this mornign | Jun 13 13:34 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/gemini-ipfs-and-irc/ | Jun 13 13:34 |
| schestowitz | I think FSF would have considered self-hosting if it wasn't for all the surrounding stress and aftermath | Jun 13 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | hi gnudist | Jun 13 13:34 |
| gustaf | schestowitz: I believe the people reacting to the Techrights link were the regulars in #fsf, not staff | Jun 13 13:34 |
| gnudist | schestowitz: hi | Jun 13 13:35 |
| schestowitz | maybe, but the nick sounds familiar | Jun 13 13:35 |
| schestowitz | "dragestil" | Jun 13 13:35 |
| schestowitz | maybe was here before.. let me check | Jun 13 13:35 |
| gustaf | and strictly speaking the link was off topic as it was a 3rd party communicating with the FSF, not the FSF site irself | Jun 13 13:35 |
| schestowitz | yes, was here before | Jun 13 13:35 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-230321.html | Jun 13 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 | Jun 13 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-070321.html | Jun 13 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, March 07, 2021 | Jun 13 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | odd that someone lurking in our channels would say such a thing | Jun 13 13:36 |
| schestowitz | this is prior to those silly IRC wars | Jun 13 13:36 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: maybe an op there appreciated the coverage | Jun 13 13:36 |
| gustaf | btw, people seem to think root == rasengan | Jun 13 13:36 |
| schestowitz | who is in charge? | Jun 13 13:36 |
| schestowitz | channel op? the network? | Jun 13 13:36 |
| schestowitz | and if so, that should have people think deeply about all that clown computing of IRC | Jun 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | they also k-lined all of IRCCloud afaict | Jun 13 13:37 |
| leah | um so | Jun 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | rasengan uses Macs | Jun 13 13:37 |
| leah | i'm mostly just amused | Jun 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | nobody but Apple has root on those | Jun 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Apple and NSA | Jun 13 13:37 |
| leah | i asked CrystalMath on a whim to give me op in #fsf | Jun 13 13:37 |
| leah | and i'm now op there | Jun 13 13:37 |
| leah | well, #fsf on freenode will provide a valuable service | Jun 13 13:38 |
| leah | i'm honoured to help out there, in running the channel | Jun 13 13:38 |
| leah | but i also support libera | Jun 13 13:38 |
| leah | libera and freenode are both excellent networks | Jun 13 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I support freedom | Jun 13 13:38 |
| schestowitz | and I think neither network understands what freedom is | Jun 13 13:38 |
| leah | i think freenode staff responded badly, but they'll need to start being benevolent or more people will leave | Jun 13 13:38 |
| leah | they were people who had no power, and who suddenly had power | Jun 13 13:38 |
| schestowitz | FSF is aware (by now) that some people who run LC are trying to remove RMS from FSF, which he founded | Jun 13 13:38 |
| leah | they responded with a ego trip, followed by panic when libera started. but i think things will calm down | Jun 13 13:39 |
| gustaf | well, Freenode literally removed FSF from their network | Jun 13 13:39 |
| leah | i will say, the new freenode staff seem to have a much more authoritarian style of leadership | Jun 13 13:39 |
| schestowitz | well, that's part of the problem | Jun 13 13:39 |
| gustaf | so it's actual vs theoretical | Jun 13 13:39 |
| leah | but hey | Jun 13 13:39 |
| leah | libera is a thing | Jun 13 13:39 |
| schestowitz | "show me your friend, I will tell you who/what you are" | Jun 13 13:39 |
| leah | > freenode staff were unhappy | Jun 13 13:39 |
| leah | > they made libera | Jun 13 13:39 |
| schestowitz | or "friends" | Jun 13 13:39 |
| CrystalMath | leah: well you entrusted me with ops on libreboot, and i hope i didn't let you down | Jun 13 13:39 |
| leah | CrystalMath: oh, i'm honoured, thank you | Jun 13 13:40 |
| CrystalMath | and i similarly hope you won't let me down | Jun 13 13:40 |
| leah | i'll serve #fsf proudly | Jun 13 13:40 |
| CrystalMath | :) | Jun 13 13:40 |
| leah | anyway, schestowitz you asked me for my opinion | Jun 13 13:40 |
| leah | let me summarize my opinions for you: | Jun 13 13:40 |
| schestowitz | hopefully not another fake "gnu" LOL | Jun 13 13:40 |
| schestowitz | the free collective foundation | Jun 13 13:40 |
| leah | * darth rasengan is a fine man, and freenode is great | Jun 13 13:41 |
| leah | * libera is also great | Jun 13 13:41 |
| leah | all hail our new leaders | Jun 13 13:41 |
| leah | ... | Jun 13 13:41 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 06:17:01bandaliv8, why did you "force transition" #gnu? | Jun 13 13:41 |
| leah | sorry, i'm being super flippant right now | Jun 13 13:41 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 07:14:51←bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined) | Jun 13 13:41 |
| leah | but yeah freenode is... different now | Jun 13 13:41 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] great network! | Jun 13 13:41 |
| leah | let's just say different | Jun 13 13:41 |
| schestowitz | haha | Jun 13 13:41 |
| schestowitz | right you arr | Jun 13 13:41 |
| leah | i'm mainly amused, not horrified | Jun 13 13:41 |
| leah | i mean | Jun 13 13:41 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i'm just disappointed | Jun 13 13:41 |
| leah | people are treating all of this like a nasty cult just took over their government | Jun 13 13:41 |
| schestowitz | this is not good for IRC as a whole | Jun 13 13:42 |
| CrystalMath | v8 said that there's more than what was seen on the channel | Jun 13 13:42 |
| leah | when really it's just an irc network run by a couple of computer geeks | Jun 13 13:42 |
| leah | filled with other computer geeks | Jun 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | they need to select carefully | Jun 13 13:42 |
| leah | and some people high on the spectrum wanted to change how it run. other people got pissed and made their own network, libera, in response | Jun 13 13:42 |
| leah | now there are two networks | Jun 13 13:42 |
| leah | i don't really see what the problem is | Jun 13 13:42 |
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| leah | if you don't like freenode, use libera | Jun 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | otherwise freenode is only "in name" and "in legacy (20+ years) | Jun 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | like OSI | Jun 13 13:42 |
| leah | if you don't like libera, use freenode | Jun 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | 1998-2020, RIP | Jun 13 13:42 |
| leah | if you're neutral, use both | Jun 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | when patrick left, RIP | Jun 13 13:43 |
| CrystalMath | and there's more networks if you don't like either | Jun 13 13:43 |
| CrystalMath | OFTC, Hackint, .... | Jun 13 13:43 |
| leah | plus you can always self-host | Jun 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | leah: we have our own network and I think we need many thousands of networks tbh | Jun 13 13:43 |
| CrystalMath | yeah | Jun 13 13:43 |
| leah | i'm spending today setting up my own custom ircd, just for my projects | Jun 13 13:43 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] CrystalMath: amin bandali is an extremely honorable person who has basically the respect of the entire FOSS community. there is no "explanation" | Jun 13 13:43 |
| leah | been distracted | Jun 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | just like we have 100-200 million sites/domains | Jun 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | 200 million domains, says netcraft | Jun 13 13:43 |
| leah | had some electronics projects to deal with for the last few days, but i'm working on an ircd now | Jun 13 13:43 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] they k-lined him for sport. | Jun 13 13:43 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] that's all there is to it. | Jun 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | so you don't have twitter CEO saying, hey, let's move of INTERNET_GIANT/#Twitter to ANOTHER_INTERNET_GIANT/#Twitter | Jun 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | we need more bridging software | Jun 13 13:44 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] anyway, the real solution is to make self-hosting irc infrastructure easier | Jun 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | and services that can be self-hosted to bridge across | Jun 13 13:45 |
| leah | thing is though | Jun 13 13:45 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] which, i am working on slowly, but alpine consumes a lot of my time | Jun 13 13:45 |
| leah | fsf are good people | Jun 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne yes, that's the lesson | Jun 13 13:45 |
| leah | what is tr btw? | Jun 13 13:45 |
| CrystalMath | leah: irc.techrights.org | Jun 13 13:45 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] yes, fsf are good people | Jun 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | leah: it's irc.techrights.org | Jun 13 13:45 |
| leah | oh techrights has its own ircd? | Jun 13 13:45 |
| leah | cool! | Jun 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | we have our own irc network now | Jun 13 13:45 |
| CrystalMath | i think running unrealircd | Jun 13 13:45 |
| leah | well of course it is | Jun 13 13:45 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] my opinions on RMS have even softened | Jun 13 13:46 |
| leah | ariadne is a contributor to unrealircd | Jun 13 13:46 |
| chikorita | huh, let me join that in my real nick | Jun 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: npo | Jun 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | no. different ircd | Jun 13 13:46 |
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| CrystalMath | schestowitz: oh, hmm | Jun 13 13:46 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] no, it runs some go thing | Jun 13 13:46 |
| leah | 2nd largest, according to github stats. and ariadne owns the infra for techrights | Jun 13 13:46 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] that i threw up | Jun 13 13:46 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] in like | Jun 13 13:46 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] 15 minutes | Jun 13 13:46 |
| leah | oh, not unreal lol | Jun 13 13:46 |
| leah | anyway | Jun 13 13:46 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] yes, i would like it if people | Jun 13 13:46 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] stop mentioning | Jun 13 13:46 |
| leah | schestowitz: can you share with me the source code for that bot? | Jun 13 13:46 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] that i own the infra for techrights | Jun 13 13:46 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] :p | Jun 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | we use go implementation of ipfs also, it's a MASSIVE number of files | Jun 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | I was astounded | Jun 13 13:46 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] people blame me for whatever hot take schestowitz has | Jun 13 13:47 |
| leah | schestowitz: i want to do the same thing. self-hosted ircd and bridge freenode, libera and self-hosted ircd | Jun 13 13:47 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] it is quite tiring | Jun 13 13:47 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] we should talk leah | Jun 13 13:47 |
| leah | do you have the bot in a repo somewhere, schestowitz ? | Jun 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | maybe #fsf can do that | Jun 13 13:47 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i can tell you how the setup works | Jun 13 13:47 |
| leah | Ariadne, talk? | Jun 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | leah: which bot? | Jun 13 13:47 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] well | Jun 13 13:47 |
| leah | sure, where? | Jun 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | there are several | Jun 13 13:47 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] write PRIVMSGs to each other | Jun 13 13:47 |
| leah | talking to you would be, interesting | Jun 13 13:47 |
| *tr-bridge [job/tr] was chikorita btw | Jun 13 13:47 | |
| leah | i'm curious what you want to talk to me about | Jun 13 13:48 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] damn this network is good, you can use certs instead of passwords | Jun 13 13:48 |
| leah | how do i PM you ariadne | Jun 13 13:48 |
| *tr-bridge [job/tr] adds this network to the startup | Jun 13 13:48 | |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] well, just the whole irc thing | Jun 13 13:48 |
| leah | join irc.techrights.org? | Jun 13 13:48 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] if you wanted to know about the setup | Jun 13 13:48 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] sure | Jun 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | leah: just don't fight with people :-) | Jun 13 13:48 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] leah is cool | Jun 13 13:48 |
| leah | hm | Jun 13 13:48 |
| leah | well i don't like to fight, no | Jun 13 13:49 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] Ariadne: indeed | Jun 13 13:49 |
| leah | i prefer to unify people | Jun 13 13:49 |
| schestowitz | we tried that with IRC at the start | Jun 13 13:49 |
| schestowitz | early may | Jun 13 13:49 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] although we fell on opposite sides of the RMS issue, my opinions have evolved since then | Jun 13 13:49 |
| tr-bridge | [unoccupied/tr] tis i | Jun 13 13:49 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] i will register my nick here | Jun 13 13:49 |
| schestowitz | RMS talks about difficult subject and cannot foresee the cost of it | Jun 13 13:49 |
| schestowitz | like taking to Brazilian about overpopualtion on May 31st | Jun 13 13:50 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ | Jun 13 13:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights | Jun 13 13:50 | |
| schestowitz | which obviously put some people off | Jun 13 13:50 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i think that we should focus on software freedom, not what RMS does | Jun 13 13:50 |
| schestowitz | I mean, come on, Brazil isn't Norway | Jun 13 13:50 |
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| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] Ariadne: you wishet to speak with me | Jun 13 13:50 |
| schestowitz | rianne goes on VPN | Jun 13 13:50 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] shall i p myou? | Jun 13 13:50 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] sure | Jun 13 13:51 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Jun 13 13:51 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] to confirm that i am the real leah rowe, i will type "oranges" into techrights on freenode | Jun 13 13:51 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] quick question on ipfs, how does a node decide which files to store locally? | Jun 13 13:51 |
| leah | oranges | Jun 13 13:51 |
| leah | also pears | Jun 13 13:51 |
| schestowitz | immibis you decide by pinning it | Jun 13 13:51 |
| schestowitz | ipfs pin [hasg] | Jun 13 13:51 |
| schestowitz | [hash] | Jun 13 13:51 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] oh so you just have to tell it all the files to store, ok | Jun 13 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | we need more people to pin our hashes, it would help | Jun 13 13:51 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/ipfs/ or raw text http://techrights.org/ipfs/ | Jun 13 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Jun 13 13:52 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] those are the same link | Jun 13 13:52 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt/ | Jun 13 13:52 |
| schestowitz | yes, blame firefox | Jun 13 13:52 |
| schestowitz | firefox knows better than me | Jun 13 13:52 |
| schestowitz | even Google is not having a me culpa on their "smart" address bar | Jun 13 13:53 |
| schestowitz | *mea | Jun 13 13:53 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] seamonkey ftw | Jun 13 13:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] e.g. https://www.osnews.com/story/133550/google-ends-its-attack-on-the-url-bar-resumes-showing-full-address-in-chrome/ | Jun 13 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google ends its attack on the URL bar, resumes showing full address in Chrome – OSnews | Jun 13 13:53 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] so hypothetically if someone wanted to pin techrights they'd have to scrape that page and then run a script to `ipfs pin` every entry in the list? that seems incredibly inconvenient | Jun 13 13:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] or part of it | Jun 13 13:54 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] like the bulletins only | Jun 13 13:54 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.html | Jun 13 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Jun 13 13:54 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] those contain all articles and daily links as plain text | Jun 13 13:54 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] very compressible too | Jun 13 13:55 |
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| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152238 | Jun 13 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 13 13:59 | |
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| schestowitz | job Falkon is also good | Jun 13 14:01 |
| schestowitz | it's my default browser since about 5-6 years ago when it was still known as qupzilla (I use that too on older distros, two laptops) | Jun 13 14:01 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] It's Chromium-based though :\ | Jun 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | job: it's a KDE project, so they're not interesting in your data | Jun 13 14:02 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] Though if you don't mind Chromium it's a decent browser I guess | Jun 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Konqueror also | Jun 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Waterfox is DO NOT TOUCH | Jun 13 14:02 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] I know, but then there's the monoculture in engines | Jun 13 14:02 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] Yeah I agree about Waterfox | Jun 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | they'r covertly sold to the same spying firm that picked startpage | Jun 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | "system1" | Jun 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage | Jun 13 14:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights | Jun 13 14:03 | |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] Not only they are now owned by an advertising company, they are also killing off new XUL development | Jun 13 14:03 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] really pissed off about that | Jun 13 14:03 |
| schestowitz | wasn't saving xul their whole purpose? | Jun 13 14:03 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] well they do still support xul, but that's not enough to save xul | Jun 13 14:03 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] there needs to be new development | Jun 13 14:04 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] Waterfox encourages a mentality to consume an add-on and don't care about it | Jun 13 14:04 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] Pale Moon has tried to jumpstart new XUL add-ons development by disallowing support for extensions only targetting Firefox, and a lot of users are mad about it | Jun 13 14:05 |
| techrights-bot | TIL I learned #uk #nurses can get other vaccines (not that AZ trash) if they wish. A relative of mine got an alternative. Good. Better. | Jun 13 14:05 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] It just shows how a lot of people see XUL browsers as a way to keep using their old, dead extensions, rather than a powerful browser in its own right | Jun 13 14:06 |
| schestowitz | job firefox was better in the past than it is today, except page compatibility | Jun 13 14:06 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] indeed | Jun 13 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla it to Firefox what freenode is to freenode \0/ | Jun 13 14:06 |
| techrights-bot | Yes, please, give that UNIX... bottle?! https://morganton.com/news/local/unix-bottling-plant-hiring-100-plus-before-july-opening/article_9d29e08c-caff-11eb-8231-f7b266335621.html | Jun 13 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unix bottling plant hiring 100-plus before July opening | Local News | morganton.com | Jun 13 14:08 | |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] that bottle is in violation of the Unix philosophy | Jun 13 14:09 |
| techrights-bot | I see that #microsoft booster #thurrott had his sites come to a standstill and his own site became just some random forum with stuff 'borrowed' from other sites. Why does #googleNews index it? It's also "BWW Media Group" (not Paul) | Jun 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | job: so is RHEL and its many clones | Jun 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | inc. Debian and downstream Ubuntu, Kylin etc. | Jun 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | everything as a file became everything as a service | Jun 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | even your homedir LOL | Jun 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | service stop home! | Jun 13 14:11 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] heh | Jun 13 14:11 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] systemd-homed | Jun 13 14:12 |
| tr-bridge | [job/tr] systemd-kerneld | Jun 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | not yet | Jun 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | you spoil the surprise | Jun 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | At least now that Red Hat is owned by IBM we know what LP had in mine with D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehomag?wprov=srpw1_0 | Jun 13 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Dehomag - Wikipedia | Jun 13 14:13 | |
| techrights-bot | Cars inside computers aren't a major advancement. I had my laptop in my car back in the 1990s as a teen, e.g. playing music to the stereo over the jack (and no, that laptop could not hijack the car!) https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/toyota-motor-north-america-introduces-next-generation-multimedia-system-to-deliver-best-in-car-user-experience-301311134.html | Jun 13 14:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Toyota Motor North America Introduces Next-Generation Multimedia System To Deliver Best In-Car User Experience | Jun 13 14:15 | |
| techrights-bot | 'Smart' cars: cars you are forced to buy bundles with computers... and worse yet, computers you cannot take home, reuse elsewhere etc. (usually super-expensive to repair too). 'Smart' cars? For gullible cons0000mers. | Jun 13 14:16 |
| techrights-bot | After "smart" cars we'll have smart loos that let you do 'infotainment'... and treble the cost of the bowl. Good for businesses that sell this shit. Oops, did I say shit? | Jun 13 14:17 |
| techrights-bot | You need a computer on your microwave (with microphone connected to #bezos over #wifi or BT) as much as you need an all-in-one aquarium inside your sedan | Jun 13 14:18 |
| techrights-bot | Bobby Borisov should know better and NOT promote this: https://linuxiac.com/openjdk-11-microsoft-build/ this is an ATTACK on #java and on #FreeSW ... same as the old tricks from #microsoft http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/java-schism-to-wrest-control/ maybe Oracle should sue Microsoft, not #google over Linux-powered Android | Jun 13 14:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | OpenJDK 11 Microsoft Build Goes General Availability | Jun 13 14:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | History’s Lesson: Microsoft Now Does to GNU/Linux What It Did to Java (Creating ‘Schism’ to ‘Wrest Control’) | Techrights | Jun 13 14:20 | |
| techrights-bot | "In this video, I am going to show an overview of #Ubuntu #Unity 21.04 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un2xUNXpzKk #gnu #linux | Jun 13 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu Unity 21.04 overview | UNITY7 MODERNIZED. - YouTube | Jun 13 14:21 | |
| techrights-bot | #Top 10 free open-source RSS feed readers for Linux desktops • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152239 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 free open-source RSS feed readers for Linux desktops | Tux Machines | Jun 13 14:22 | |
| techrights-bot | Linux 5.14 To Begin Enabling The Intel #Graphics TTM Memory Management Bits for dGPUs - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-TTM-dGPUs-LMEM ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest | Jun 13 14:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 To Begin Enabling The Intel Graphics TTM Memory Management Bits for dGPUs - Phoronix | Jun 13 14:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 13 14:27 | |
| techrights-bot | ‘Web Sheriff’ Targets Ubuntu.com URLs With Overbroad Takedown Notices • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152240 | Jun 13 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ‘Web Sheriff’ Targets Ubuntu.com URLs With Overbroad Takedown Notices | Tux Machines | Jun 13 14:29 | |
| techrights-bot | When you can tell news is slow: @michaelLarabal I'ma gonna write about ma table again ;-) https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=L-Shaped-Desk-Holding-Up | Jun 13 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Last Year's L-Shaped Desk Build Has Been Holding Up Well - Phoronix | Jun 13 14:32 | |
| techrights-bot | #Simsu 1.4.0 released https://gottcode.org/simsu/ #freesw with Telugu translation ;-) | Jun 13 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gottcode.org | Simsu | Jun 13 14:34 | |
| techrights-bot | Geo #replication with #syncthing https://iranzo.io/blog/2021/06/12/geo-replication-with-syncthing/ by Pablo Iranzo Gómez | Jun 13 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iranzo.io | Geo replication with syncthing · Pablo Iranzo Gómez's blog | Jun 13 14:35 | |
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| techrights-bot | #SmachZ ’s Final Message - Boiling Steam ⚓ https://boilingsteam.com/smach-zs-final-message/ ䷉ #boilingsteam | making mockups and promises is easier than prototypes and actual products, esp. on the #internet | Jun 13 14:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Smach Z's Final Message - Boiling Steam | Jun 13 14:36 | |
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| techrights-bot | To see #techrights IRC channel in (almost) real time people can now visit http://techrights.org/irc/ any time of the day (time delay less than 5 mins) | Jun 13 14:37 |
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| techrights-bot | LOL. #windows from #microsoft ... gives us your arm and a leg. "Configuration pricing varies from about $1800 to a maxed-out $5160." https://pocketnow.com/hp-zbook-studio-review it does mention "Debian Linux" along the way, but it means #WSL which is an ATTACK on #gnu #linux | Jun 13 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pocketnow.com | HP zBook Studio review: an awesome mobile workstation | Jun 13 14:49 | |
| techrights-bot | #wsl is SOOOO popular that its own people quit in droves :-) and hardly anybody uses this crap. http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/the-death-of-wsl-and-wsl2/ #wsl2 #microsoft #RIP | Jun 13 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Death of WSL and WSL2 | Techrights | Jun 13 14:51 | |
| techrights-bot | #WSL and #WSL2 as projects were based on a delusion, or the laughable illusion that developers cannot cope with Virtual Machines or that developers wanted/needed #microsoft #windows #vista10 | Jun 13 14:52 |
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| techrights-bot | On #ibm #scam for MBAs, only a minute ago: "It always struck me as one of those programs that was more about the execs having a nice trip at the company's expense. The "honorees" are really only there to provide cover." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjfb0lj#replies also see https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/17/ibm_exec_payouts/ | Jun 13 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 14:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IBM's CEO and outgoing exec chairman take home $38m in total for 2020 despite revenue shrinking by billions • The Register | Jun 13 14:54 | |
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| techrights-bot | #cnbc is little but megaphone of propaganda arm for companies that SPY on you the MOST, e.g. #Amazon , #Microsoft and #IBM https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/12/a-year-later-tech-companies-calls-to-regulate-facial-recognition-met-with-little-progress.html original headline: "A year later, tech companies' calls to regulate facial recognition met with little progress" | Jun 13 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Rules around facial recognition and policing remain blurry | Jun 13 14:56 | |
| techrights-bot | #IBM yearns for the good old days of tattooing people with numbers/barcodes (good old PROFITABLE days) http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/ | Jun 13 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights | Jun 13 14:56 | |
| techrights-bot | Edwin Black on #IBM founder "Watson being “criminal sociopath” (that’s according to Black), who was “convicted on extortion” and should have been in prison before his time in IBM" (months old interview) http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/edwin-black-2021/ | Jun 13 14:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Interview With Edwin Black: IBM Has Never Apologised, Instead It Hid Its Role in Nazi Germany | Techrights | Jun 13 14:58 | |
| psydroid | <TechrightsBot-tr "pocketnow.com | HP zBook Studio "> in 5 years they went from 4 cores and 8 GB of RAM to 6 slightly better cores and 16-32 GB of RAM | Jun 13 14:58 |
| psydroid | that's real progress | Jun 13 14:58 |
| psydroid | made possible by Microsoft and Intel | Jun 13 14:58 |
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| schestowitz | but look at the price LOL | Jun 13 14:59 |
| schestowitz | I got mine for 200 pounds | Jun 13 14:59 |
| psydroid | yeah | Jun 13 14:59 |
| schestowitz | 4 cores | Jun 13 14:59 |
| schestowitz | 8GB of RAM | Jun 13 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | HP, same brand.. | Jun 13 14:59 |
| schestowitz | so if you add 50% in cores the price is like 300% higher | Jun 13 14:59 |
| schestowitz | maybe Microsoft/HP thinks it can find more cults like Apple shoppers | Jun 13 15:00 |
| psydroid | competitors selling products with AMD and ARM chips should eat their lunch | Jun 13 15:00 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Spamnil paid $15,000 for a 'MAC' PC | Jun 13 15:00 |
| schestowitz | and then he moaned in Twitter that he needs to reboot it every day ^_^ | Jun 13 15:00 |
| psydroid | self-flagellation is hard to resist | Jun 13 15:01 |
| techrights-bot | In 2021 this is just insane or villainous. UPC is dead and some law firms still speak about it like it's a 'thing'. https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/unitary-patents-the-unified-patent-32614/ | Jun 13 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unitary Patents, the Unified Patent Court, Opt-Out Timing, Pros and Cons | Winstead PC - JDSupra | Jun 13 15:02 | |
| techrights-bot | FASTER, USPTO, FASTER!!!! Grant 111,000,000 MILLION #patents per DAY!!! INNOVA~1 would SOAR!! https://www.worldipreview.com/news/uspto-issues-11-millionth-patent-21340 | Jun 13 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldipreview.com | USPTO issues 11 millionth patent | Jun 13 15:04 | |
| techrights-bot | Why on Earth are #patents being granted on life and nature as if those are inventions? Because lobbying, bribery and entryism basically shadow-write the laws? Or break the law ever so nonchalantly? https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/uc-berkeley-crispr-patent-revoked-in-9535636/ | Jun 13 15:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-UC Berkeley CRISPR Patent Revoked in Europe Due To Invalid Priority Claim | Proskauer - Minding Your Business - JDSupra | Jun 13 15:07 | |
| techrights-bot | Say "Hi!" to our HEY HI HEY HI HEY "experts" https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1076906/meet-our-ai-experts I am an expert in "Aura"... come pay me $300 per hour. | Jun 13 15:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Meet Our AI Experts - Intellectual Property - UK | Jun 13 15:08 | |
| techrights-bot | Barry Kluwer of #easyOS and #puppylinux blogs a lot about camping/trekking/hiking in #australia these days. His latest: https://bkhome.org/news/202106/stealth-camping.html | Jun 13 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Stealth camping | Jun 13 15:11 | |
| techrights-bot | #Wasmtime 0.28 Released With #CPP Embedding Support - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Wasmtime-0.28-Released ䷉ #Phoronix #Programming | Jun 13 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wasmtime 0.28 Released With C++ Embedding Support - Phoronix | Jun 13 15:12 | |
| techrights-bot | Week #1 - #GSoC Weekly Report - 100 Paper Cuts https://bayramcicek.com.tr/libreoffice-dev/2021/06/13/week-01-gsoc.html #libreoffice | Jun 13 15:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bayramcicek.com.tr | Week #1 - GSoC Weekly Report - 100 Paper Cuts | Bayram Çiçek’s website | Jun 13 15:16 | |
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| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▆▃▄▅▅▅▆▅▅▅▅▆▄▅▆▃▅▅▆▅▆▃▆▁▄▅▆▃▄▄▅▅▆▃▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 22.78 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▃▂▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂█▁▂▃▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 15.41▕ swarm size (avg): 244.42 ⟲ | Jun 13 15:20 |
| techrights-bot | Supposed #security in a buzzword that typically connotes the very opposite or antithesis of real security https://www.ubuntupit.com/top-secure-iot-devices-building-trust-in-iot-devices/ | Jun 13 15:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntupit.com | Top 10 Secure IoT Devices | Building Trust in IoT Devices | Jun 13 15:22 | |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] as far as i can tell, bandali was k-lined for saying: | Jun 13 15:24 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 07:07:01bandalithank you ggoes | Jun 13 15:24 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 07:07:15bandalilol no flooding, then proceeds to flood the channel. nice | Jun 13 15:24 |
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| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] on #fsf | Jun 13 15:24 |
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| techrights-bot | Oh, go blame science fiction for people being sceptical of something approved in 10 times less the usual time it takes (clinical trials etc.) http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/how-star-trek-may-be-contributing-to.html | Jun 13 15:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | How Star Trek may be contributing to COVID-19 vaccine skepticism - The IPKat | Jun 13 15:25 | |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] thanks gustaf for the logs and schestowitz for forwarding them on | Jun 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne yes, I saw that | Jun 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | but there was another thing said | Jun 13 15:26 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] what is the allegation? | Jun 13 15:26 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] that bandali said something mean in PM or something? | Jun 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne I cated then into a text file and put them in http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt | Jun 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | *cat'ed them | Jun 13 15:26 |
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| MinceR | 13 131207 < tr-bridge> [immibis/tr] I don't think so. I think he just likes having power and doesn't like people leaving his sphere of power | Jun 13 15:28 |
| MinceR | so why does he k-line them then? | Jun 13 15:28 |
| MinceR | it should be easy to understand that that decreases number of users :> | Jun 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-12 21:10:26←root has kicked Irydacea (Irydacea) | Jun 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-12 21:10:30←root has kicked yanmaani (yanmaani) | Jun 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz | 2021-06-12 21:10:06←root has kicked Wulf (Wulf) | Jun 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz | I missed these before | Jun 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz | [12:35] <schestowitz> 2021-06-13 07:07:15 bandali lol no flooding, then proceeds to flood the channel. nice | Jun 13 15:29 |
| MinceR | 13 132435 < tr-bridge> [immibis/tr] when has fascism ever worked? | Jun 13 15:29 |
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| MinceR | seems to be working in hungary since 2010, at least as far as keeping power goes | Jun 13 15:29 |
| MinceR | it's an epidemic | Jun 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz | [12:33] <schestowitz> 2021-06-13 07:06:23 bandali what the fuck does that mean? | Jun 13 15:30 |
| schestowitz | [12:31] <schestowitz> 2021-06-13 07:05:23 bandali so now the official announcement by the fsf is spam? | Jun 13 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | oh, crap. I merged the wrong files, one is a freenode log | Jun 13 15:33 |
| schestowitz | will correct | Jun 13 15:33 |
| schestowitz | cat '#freenode.06-12.weechatlog' '#freenode.06-13.weechatlog' > freenode-take-control-of-fsf-channel.txt | Jun 13 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | cat '#fsf.06-12.weechatlog' '#fsf.06-13.weechatlog' > fsf-channel-canceled.txt | Jun 13 15:34 |
| schestowitz | more informative now: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt | Jun 13 15:35 |
| schestowitz | and at the same time in #fsf http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/fsf-channel-canceled.txt | Jun 13 15:35 |
| schestowitz | When I read that I assumed "what the fuck does that mean?" could be interpreted as rude | Jun 13 15:37 |
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| MinceR | 13 144256 < leah> if you're neutral, use both | Jun 13 15:39 |
| MinceR | what if i hate them both? | Jun 13 15:39 |
| techrights-bot | Totally useless 'fact' https://southfloridareporter.com/drawing-29249-smiley-faces-is-what-it-takes-to-drain-a-standard-ballpoint-pen/ how big a face? What diameter? Facepalm.... | Jun 13 15:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-southfloridareporter.com | Drawing 29,249 Smiley Faces Is What It Takes To Drain A Standard Ballpoint Pen - South Florida Reporter | Jun 13 15:39 | |
| techrights-bot | "And please stop bandying around the perjorative term "anti-vaxxer". [...] No doubt there are people out there who, for example, have an idealogical opposition to fizzy drinks, but we don't call them anti-HFCSers and treat them with such disdain." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/how-star-trek-may-be-contributing-to.html?showComment=1623275582797#c6327681984001024826 | Jun 13 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | How Star Trek may be contributing to COVID-19 vaccine skepticism - The IPKat | Jun 13 15:44 | |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: The mistake wasn't the channel take-over, the mistake was having false-positives. | Jun 13 15:45 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: What happened to the FSF channels wasn't just predicted, it is a freenode policy. | Jun 13 15:45 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] I guess rasengan abandoned the idea of redirecting to the ## channels | Jun 13 15:47 |
| techrights-bot | Oh my God, #TeamUPC has not quit lying about the #UPC and Kluwer #Patent blogger still gives a platform to those self-serving professional liars, putting utter lies as headlines with quotes around them http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/11/kevin-mooney-new-years-of-delay-for-unified-patent-court-unlikely/ | Jun 13 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Kevin Mooney: ‘New years of delay for Unified Patent Court unlikely’ - Kluwer Patent Blog | Jun 13 15:47 | |
| techrights-bot | Kevin Mooney has a long and extensive history of lying about the UPC, e.g. http://techrights.org/2018/12/01/upc-unitary-patent-gyimah/ http://techrights.org/2020/04/06/blaming-the-wife/ http://techrights.org/2018/11/29/upc-might-already-be-dead/ | Jun 13 15:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Science Minister Sam Gyimah, Who Tactlessly Ratified UPC in the UK, Has Just Resigned | Techrights | Jun 13 15:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of the UPC – Part XII: Doing the Unthinkable by Blaming the Judge’s (Justice’s) Wife? | Techrights | Jun 13 15:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Even Sites That Served UPC Propaganda for Years (for These Sites’ Owners) Have Come to Admit That the UPC Might Already be Dead | Techrights | Jun 13 15:48 | |
| MinceR | secret policy | Jun 13 15:49 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I mean, the last incident was justified by it. | Jun 13 15:50 |
| techrights-bot | "With due respect to his person, I think that Mr Mooney has missed an opportunity to keep quiet." LOL! Why does Kluwer give a platform to liars?! http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/11/kevin-mooney-new-years-of-delay-for-unified-patent-court-unlikely/#comments | Jun 13 15:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Kevin Mooney: ‘New years of delay for Unified Patent Court unlikely’ - Kluwer Patent Blog | Jun 13 15:50 | |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] rasengan apologised for the takeover bot being buggy. | Jun 13 15:50 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] but the intention behind the bot – that was… well, intentional. | Jun 13 15:50 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] and rasengan demonstrated an inability to learn from it | Jun 13 15:51 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: He thinks that the problem is the bugs exclusively maybe. | Jun 13 15:51 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] FSF's channels were taken over smoothly, no bugs there. | Jun 13 15:51 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i thought he wasn't that dumb | Jun 13 15:51 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] but whatever | Jun 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz | he left this channel days ago | Jun 13 15:52 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: The TOTP incident is kind of telling. | Jun 13 15:52 |
| schestowitz | sometimes it's easier when people do not ask questions :-D | Jun 13 15:52 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: it would be, if more than speculation was known about it | Jun 13 15:52 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] "secret policy" is right. Freenode staff keep making up more innocent-seeming policies that appear consistent with their actions, and people like schestowitz buy those policies instead of looking deeper | Jun 13 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Like I said earlier today, at this point freenode is freenode's biggest enemy | Jun 13 15:54 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] no, "people like schestowitz" had better things to do than try to predict what the new staff was going to do | Jun 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | A lot of chaos could be avoided with a hands-off policy/approach | Jun 13 15:54 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] we would find out eventually anyway | Jun 13 15:54 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] and we did | Jun 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did you read our parts about Hungary? | Jun 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Another one coming tomorrow morning | Jun 13 15:55 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] some of them | Jun 13 15:55 |
| schestowitz | cool | Jun 13 15:55 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] in fairness, schestowitz, andrew did figure out some buttons to push with you that got you supporting him for a while | Jun 13 15:55 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i didn't find the question of who ficsor's father was to be all that interesting | Jun 13 15:55 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: The initial suspicion, why I think it can only be this way (the Speculation) is that because it's an Organisation on Gandi, and the individual accounts (freenode Ltd., tomaw, kevin) are merely connecting to it, there's just no way for tomaw to impose a particular 2FA for the whole thing. He can only add it for his own account. But (!) it's a very reasonable idea to have a <clipped message> | Jun 13 15:55 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] 2FA-restriction as an | Jun 13 15:55 |
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| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Organisation policy. | Jun 13 15:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nepotism and all | Jun 13 15:55 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] schestowitz/fn: also, it's misspelled as "Fiscsor" several times | Jun 13 15:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: so I should correct it... | Jun 13 15:56 |
| leah | MinceR: if you hate both, then still use both, begrudgingly | Jun 13 15:56 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] :> | Jun 13 15:57 |
| leah | because the other networks suck even more | Jun 13 15:57 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] no | Jun 13 15:57 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: tomaw just couldn't've locked rasengan out without cracking the individual account. | Jun 13 15:57 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] oftc sucks more, maybe ircnet sucks more | Jun 13 15:57 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] but there are several networks that are much better | Jun 13 15:57 |
| leah | irc has always been a shitshow | Jun 13 15:57 |
| schestowitz | oh, I see in part 4 | Jun 13 15:57 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: when the first purge happened, smart people looked at what happened, and thought "Oh, freenode is trying to stop people moving to libera." Stupid people looked at it and thought "Oh, freenode is trying to stop people mentioning libera in channel topics." | Jun 13 15:57 |
| leah | now you have global warming mixed in. the planet is hotter. so peoples blood boil hotter | Jun 13 15:57 |
| schestowitz | a misspelling repeated | Jun 13 15:57 |
| leah | and now irc is more insane. this is my scientific opinion | Jun 13 15:57 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] there was even a network that used some IRCX server, but they eventually came to their senses and stopped | Jun 13 15:57 |
| schestowitz | fixed in about 10 places in part 10 now, MinceR | Jun 13 15:58 |
| MinceR | leah: also, higher CO2 concentration apparently makes people act stupider :> | Jun 13 15:58 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] nice | Jun 13 15:58 |
| leah | really? | Jun 13 15:58 |
| schestowitz | just searched whole DB | Jun 13 15:59 |
| leah | good thing i live in the suburbs then. more trees here | Jun 13 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Search results for “Fiscsor” No posts found. | Jun 13 15:59 |
| schestowitz | so it was just in part 4, a copy-pastes carried-on typo | Jun 13 15:59 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] [09:57:52] <MinceR> there was even a network that used some IRCX server, but they eventually came to their senses and stopped | Jun 13 16:00 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i'm literally writing an ircx server | Jun 13 16:00 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] uhh | Jun 13 16:00 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] lol | Jun 13 16:00 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] why though | Jun 13 16:00 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] with a lot of modifications | Jun 13 16:00 |
| schestowitz | I have that typo in part 8 too, but it's not published yet | Jun 13 16:00 |
| schestowitz | it shows that "fixer" attacking RMS | Jun 13 16:00 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] it is a reasonable way to solve the "services database" problem | Jun 13 16:00 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] having services in every ircd? | Jun 13 16:00 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] right | Jun 13 16:00 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] didn't PTLink ircd already do that? | Jun 13 16:00 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] thats what ircx basically does | Jun 13 16:01 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] no | Jun 13 16:01 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] ptlink still had services | Jun 13 16:01 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] it had server-side mlock though | Jun 13 16:01 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] also, ergo also seems to have it | Jun 13 16:01 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] yes, but ergo isn't clusterable | Jun 13 16:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's good that you spot such stuff | Jun 13 16:01 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: So that's the Speculation. I then asked someone I trust about whether that's a correct estimation, they confirmed. Don't know if I should share that or not. | Jun 13 16:02 |
| schestowitz | the accused would typically hand-wave, with "well, they can't even spell the name right, so the WHOLE article is "defamation"" | Jun 13 16:02 |
| MinceR | leah: https://archive.thinkprogress.org/exclusive-elevated-co2-levels-directly-affect-human-cognition-new-harvard-study-shows-2748e7378941/ | Jun 13 16:02 |
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| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] ircx lets you distribute the entire services database to all nodes | Jun 13 16:02 |
| leah | i mean | Jun 13 16:02 |
| leah | it makes sense | Jun 13 16:02 |
| leah | you need oxygen in your brain | Jun 13 16:02 |
| leah | when deprived of it, you can't focus as much | Jun 13 16:02 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] what's special about IRCX in this regard? | Jun 13 16:02 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] nothing really | Jun 13 16:02 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] it just already exists | Jun 13 16:02 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] so i adapted it to suit my needs | Jun 13 16:03 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] why reinvent the wheel when the wheel is already usable | Jun 13 16:03 |
| techrights-bot | 17 mins ago: " My manager tried to convince me that in the remote town where #ibm is the only (major) tech employer, i am getting paid more than median salary for that town. Can you believe how illogical that sounds!!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bgZ1XHP#replies | Jun 13 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Instead of raise, you can only get an excuse - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 16:04 | |
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| techrights-bot | #ibm robbed by management, think IBM insiders. Latest: "Don't even get to bring anyone and there is mandatory bullshyte you need to attend Just give me the money" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjfb0lj#replies see https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/17/ibm_exec_payouts/ | Jun 13 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 16:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IBM's CEO and outgoing exec chairman take home $38m in total for 2020 despite revenue shrinking by billions • The Register | Jun 13 16:06 | |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] formatting doesn't seem to come across the bridge inside notices | Jun 13 16:07 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: There is root on macOS. | Jun 13 16:07 |
| MinceR | foo bar baz | Jun 13 16:07 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] ah, not even in messages :> | Jun 13 16:07 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Yea, it doesn't. | Jun 13 16:07 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] yeah, apparently the plan for macOS is to replace it with iOS (or iPadOS or whatever) entirely instead of turning it into another iOS | Jun 13 16:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I checked parts 9-12 | Jun 13 16:08 |
| schestowitz | the typo was not repeated in them | Jun 13 16:08 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] > I asked CrystalMath on a whim to give me op in #fsf, and i'm now op there | Jun 13 16:08 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath's loyalty has been rewarded? | Jun 13 16:08 |
| schestowitz | I just know the minds of those crooks, who use any typo to distract from the actual substance | Jun 13 16:08 |
| schestowitz | "x can't spell y right, hence a-z is all false" | Jun 13 16:08 |
| CrystalMath | leah has been on #fsf longer than me, had she not been *unfairly* quieted she would have gotten ops from staff | Jun 13 16:09 |
| CrystalMath | unfairly quieted by johnsu01 | Jun 13 16:09 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: I mean, ye're staff now? | Jun 13 16:09 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] or just contacted one? | Jun 13 16:09 |
| CrystalMath | no, i'm an op of #fsf | Jun 13 16:09 |
| schestowitz | [16:07] <tr-bridge> [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: There is root on macOS. <<<<<<<<<< read the next line or few lines, I was making a joke | Jun 13 16:09 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Ah, okay. | Jun 13 16:10 |
| CrystalMath | staff asked for volunteers to keep the #fsf channel | Jun 13 16:10 |
| schestowitz | it's also hard to root | Jun 13 16:10 |
| CrystalMath | they weren't called, per se | Jun 13 16:10 |
| schestowitz | by design | Jun 13 16:10 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] which staff | Jun 13 16:10 |
| CrystalMath | v8 | Jun 13 16:10 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] so in other words not FSF staff | Jun 13 16:10 |
| CrystalMath | freenode staff, yes, sorry for not being clear | Jun 13 16:10 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: Those are clearly traitors :) | Jun 13 16:10 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] well i didn’t want to say it :) | Jun 13 16:10 |
| schestowitz | FSF-Kape | Jun 13 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Kapo | Jun 13 16:11 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo | Jun 13 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kapo - Wikipedia | Jun 13 16:11 | |
| schestowitz | though I should be careful with such jokes | Jun 13 16:11 |
| schestowitz | as it's an Israel company.. | Jun 13 16:11 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] my partner has a libreboot laptop | Jun 13 16:11 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] thinkpad t whatever the fuck | Jun 13 16:11 |
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| CrystalMath | the reason why i got it is because i was already planned to be an op on ##fsf, which the FSF planned to succeed the original channel | Jun 13 16:11 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] giant thick thing that you can beat someone with | Jun 13 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | it would be weird if they can make new-#channel | Jun 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | to act like controllers in the shadow for many projects | Jun 13 16:12 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] hi yes | Jun 13 16:12 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] that’s what andrew wants | Jun 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | exerting control from behind the scenes with ops in their pockets | Jun 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | not literally | Jun 13 16:12 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i’ve been saying this for weeks now | Jun 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | but they can de-op them | Jun 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | for example a freenode (kape) controlled #python | Jun 13 16:13 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] yes | Jun 13 16:13 |
| schestowitz | it's a lot of power and we discussed the same wrt to LC | Jun 13 16:13 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i’m glad you get it now | Jun 13 16:13 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: T500? | Jun 13 16:13 |
| schestowitz | like their imposter #techrights channel there | Jun 13 16:13 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] yeah that’s the one | Jun 13 16:13 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] schestowitz if you did a group reg over there they would give it to you | Jun 13 16:13 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] they just don’t want to touch techrights with a 10 foot pole otherwise | Jun 13 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | I think it would then lead to questions like, why not those other 400 networks as well? | Jun 13 16:14 |
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| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] sure | Jun 13 16:14 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: Excuse me, 3 metre pole | Jun 13 16:14 |
| schestowitz | namespace in irc is like this... | Jun 13 16:14 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] as i said i think self hosting is really ideal | Jun 13 16:15 |
| MinceR | Munchkin d20 has an 11-foot pole | Jun 13 16:15 |
| schestowitz | most of them seem european | Jun 13 16:15 |
| MinceR | specifically for traps that are designed to deal with 10-foot poles | Jun 13 16:15 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] and i’m working to make that easy, but the work is slow because alpine has to come first | Jun 13 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know Poles could be that too | Jun 13 16:16 |
| schestowitz | *tall | Jun 13 16:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 13 16:16 |
| schestowitz | 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcin_Gortat | Jun 13 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Marcin Gortat - Wikipedia | Jun 13 16:17 | |
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| schestowitz | close, but no cigar (that's what she said) | Jun 13 16:17 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] i see IRC as the best and most flexible libre communication tool | Jun 13 16:17 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] it just needs to be packaged well | Jun 13 16:17 |
| schestowitz | the tallest person was about 2.70m | Jun 13 16:17 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] matrix really sucks | Jun 13 16:18 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] It really does. | Jun 13 16:18 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] you can’t even ban people without a bot | Jun 13 16:18 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] lol | Jun 13 16:18 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] are they planning to fix that? | Jun 13 16:18 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] like you can but you can’t like ban their home server | Jun 13 16:18 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] so you have to just sit there | Jun 13 16:18 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] and ban | Jun 13 16:18 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] and ban | Jun 13 16:18 |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] and ban | Jun 13 16:18 |
| techrights-bot | Screw those #patents ... those #patent #monopolies kill a lot of people on many levels https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/10/european-parliament-endorses-vaccine-patent-waiver-eu-urged-stop-putting-pharma | Jun 13 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | As European Parliament Endorses Vaccine Patent Waiver, EU Urged to Stop Putting Pharma Profits Over Human Life | Common Dreams News | Jun 13 16:19 | |
| tr-bridge | [Ariadne/tr] until they get bored and stop making new accounts | Jun 13 16:19 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] I had an XMPP MUC that's connected to Matrix, but their database broke and now it's forever dead. | Jun 13 16:19 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] unfixable | Jun 13 16:19 |
| schestowitz | no backups? | Jun 13 16:19 |
| schestowitz | iirc, esr's blog collapses due to db issues | Jun 13 16:19 |
| schestowitz | it never truly recovered | Jun 13 16:19 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] No, they changed the domain names and now there's inconsistency in their database. | Jun 13 16:19 |
| schestowitz | maybe he was busy with guns, sex and booze and didn't bother making/checking his backups | Jun 13 16:20 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] which is not mitigatable | Jun 13 16:20 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] CrystalMath: congratulations on identifying that freenode staff do not give a shit about you and they will not give you kickbacks for licking their boots in the past | Jun 13 16:20 |
| schestowitz | I have a pane in tmux devoted just to displaying DB backup state 24/7 :-) | Jun 13 16:20 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] leah: The bridge is matterbridge, I can give you the config. | Jun 13 16:21 |
| techrights-bot | A "pharmacist" as just a glorified, professional and authorised "DRUG DEALERS" :-) https://www.wfmj.com/story/44051601/the-latest-ex-pharmacist-gets-3-years-in-jail-for-tampering | Jun 13 16:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Latest: Melbourne's 4th pandemic lockdown to end Friday - WFMJ.com | Jun 13 16:22 | |
| techrights-bot | A "pharmacist" as just a glorified, professional and authorised "DRUG DEALER" :-) https://www.wfmj.com/story/44051601/the-latest-ex-pharmacist-gets-3-years-in-jail-for-tampering | Jun 13 16:22 |
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| techrights-bot | "Here’s what I’m writing to announce: JPTOS was in a publishing hiatus over the past year" (I already noted 2-3 years ago, very many times in fact, that #patent media/publishers/blogs were dying) https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/journal-trademark-society.html | Jun 13 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Journal of the Patent & Trademark Office Society | Jun 13 16:25 | |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] leah: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ca551afd enjoy :) | Jun 13 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone | Jun 13 16:25 | |
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| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] leah: Forgot to uncomment the Libera gateway. | Jun 13 16:28 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://www.boredpanda.com/cats-watching-shop-owner-funny-pics/ | Jun 13 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boredpanda.com | This Shop Owner Installed A Glass Ceiling For His Cats And Now They Won't Stop Staring At Him | Bored Panda | Jun 13 16:29 | |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] leah: Also the message length on libreboot.org needs adjusting | Jun 13 16:32 |
| leah | ah | Jun 13 16:33 |
| leah | Ariadne yes, can you give me the config for matterbridge? | Jun 13 16:33 |
| leah | just email it to leah@libreboot.org | Jun 13 16:33 |
| leah | i assume you mean https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge | Jun 13 16:33 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] I'm hosting matterbridge, that's the config :D | Jun 13 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - 42wim/matterbridge: bridge between mattermost, IRC, gitter, xmpp, slack, discord, telegram, rocketchat, twitch, ssh-chat, zulip, whatsapp, keybase, matrix, microsoft teams, nextcloud, mumble, vk and more with REST API (mattermost not required!) | Jun 13 16:33 | |
| leah | i will adapt it for my own purposes | Jun 13 16:33 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] leah: Yes, that's the one. | Jun 13 16:34 |
| leah | hm | Jun 13 16:34 |
| leah | mattermost is another software that comes to mind. coreboot used it, idk if they still do | Jun 13 16:34 |
| leah | is matterbridge a part of that project? | Jun 13 16:34 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Not really, but the name is definitely derived from there. | Jun 13 16:35 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Also "most" is a Slavic word for bridge, I doubt that's a coincidence. | Jun 13 16:35 |
| techrights-bot | What kind of person who confuse those two logos? Very generic http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/the-eu-general-court-on-relative.html #law #Trademarks #Trademark | Jun 13 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The EU General Court on relative grounds for refusal: the Chanel judgment - The IPKat | Jun 13 16:35 | |
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| techrights-bot | #Olympics becoming about #marketing instead of #sport http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/guest-post-will-social-media-change.html | Jun 13 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Guest Post: Will Social Media change Ambush Marketing at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games? - The IPKat | Jun 13 16:36 | |
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| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] leah: matterbridge cannot determine the max length automatically, so I just find the longest nick length and the longest message that nick can produce, record that value and then subtract the actual nick length. | Jun 13 16:37 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86 depends on devs' origins? | Jun 13 16:37 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Or possibly someone they know. | Jun 13 16:38 |
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| techrights-bot | Check how much money he has pocketed from pharmaceutical giants https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-patent-waiver-073554967.html #patent #patents #monopoly #eu | Jun 13 16:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | COVID-19 vaccine patent waiver is "no silver bullet" - EU's Michel | Jun 13 16:40 | |
| techrights-bot | There's no such thing as "IP" and patents are not "owned"; this is what happens when law firms and monopolists fund the media to repeat mythology and propaganda (in 'news' clothing https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s6t8wm4lrg05/ip-owners-concerned-as-uk-mulls-post-brexit-exhaustion-regime | Jun 13 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | IP owners concerned as UK mulls post-Brexit exhaustion regime | Managing Intellectual Property | Jun 13 16:42 | |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] you can take your IP and shove it up your ass. that's my personal opinion | Jun 13 16:43 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] i will accept copyleft | Jun 13 16:44 |
| techrights-bot | #germany destroying its own businesses with foolish #patent laws that make it easy to sue German companies http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/german-legislature-just-voted-to-amend.html see how the coup by #law firms and monopolists has progressed, vendor-capturing #de gov. http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/bundestagate-part-20/ | Jun 13 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: German legislature just voted to amend patent injunction statute -- jurisdiction as attractive as ever to patent holders bringing infringement lawsuits | Jun 13 16:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag — Part 20: Taking Stock | Techrights | Jun 13 16:44 | |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] and if i'm ever the leader of a major country, i will mandate copyleft | Jun 13 16:44 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] as a matter of public service | Jun 13 16:45 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: Ye got banned from freenode too? | Jun 13 16:45 |
| techrights-bot | Large corporations disguised as "users" and similar euphemism control the #EPO and turn it into a laughing stock. #SACEPO (Suck EPO!) is a misnomer and a corporate coup. https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210611.html | Jun 13 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - SACEPO discusses digital transformation at EPO | Jun 13 16:46 | |
| techrights-bot | #epo granted #fakepatents like #swpats that can in turn destroyed the whole "ViCo" pipe dream https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/facebook-and-voxer-take-live-broadcast-patent-dispute-to-europe/ #patents #europe | Jun 13 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Facebook and Voxer take live broadcast patent dispute to Europe - JUVE Patent | Jun 13 16:47 | |
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| techrights-bot | Mouthpieces of law firms (funded by patent litigation firms, as in Dennis Crouch's case) are freaking out as #swpats continues to collapse along with many other #fakePatents that #uspto should never have granted in the first place https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/extending-uncertainty-fields.html | Jun 13 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | 101: Extending Uncertainty to All Fields | Patently-O | Jun 13 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86 freenode will stop having problematic users when none are left | Jun 13 16:51 |
| schestowitz | (no users that is) | Jun 13 16:51 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: nah, i'll still be there :> | Jun 13 16:52 |
| CrystalMath | a little bit of self-deprecating humor | Jun 13 16:52 |
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| techrights-bot | "There is no future at #IBM if you haven’t figured out yet IBMers…" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bgZ1XHP#replies #redhat | Jun 13 16:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Instead of raise, you can only get an excuse - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 16:53 | |
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| schestowitz | CrystalMath: they need to rethink their attitude and strategy | Jun 13 16:55 |
| schestowitz | they clearly have a poor understanding of the community | Jun 13 16:55 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: I bet it'll still have enough idlers for years to come | Jun 13 16:55 |
| schestowitz | and you start to wonder if Kape calls the shots | Jun 13 16:55 |
| schestowitz | after all, they 'own' Andrew | Jun 13 16:55 |
| schestowitz | he's just a sear on their board | Jun 13 16:55 |
| schestowitz | *seat | Jun 13 16:55 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Nah, this is a personal thing. | Jun 13 16:56 |
| schestowitz | What are they getting out of all this, inc. PIA? | Jun 13 16:56 |
| MinceR | 13 175247 < CrystalMath> schestowitz: nah, i'll still be there :> | Jun 13 16:56 |
| MinceR | not after they k-line you | Jun 13 16:57 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Nah, not him %) | Jun 13 16:57 |
| techrights-bot | 'IPWatchdog and LexisNexis and will be offering a webinar entitled "Saving the World with Patents: Is the TRIPS Waiver Helping or Hurting Innovation?"' Since when is a strident patent maximalism blog some sort of authority on policy? | Jun 13 16:57 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Although… who knows. | Jun 13 16:57 |
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| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] A close ally is a potential formidable enemy. | Jun 13 16:58 |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-6-21-18.jpg | Jun 13 16:58 |
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| techrights-bot | Quit using the nebulous and misleading term "IP"; if you mean to say trademarks, then say trademarks. And they are not property. They're something different. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s65yrn3qcr74/in-house-counterfeiters-increasingly-targeting-unregistered-ip #trademarks #trademark | Jun 13 16:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | In-house: counterfeiters increasingly targeting unregistered IP | Managing Intellectual Property | Jun 13 16:59 | |
| schestowitz | maybe their goal is to install fear | Jun 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | ban people left and right | Jun 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | ask Putin | Jun 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | or Kim | Jun 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | not CEO of the PIA company | Jun 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | the one near Russia | Jun 13 17:00 |
| MinceR | pretty stupid strategy in a world of over 400 irc networks, where people can freely leave | Jun 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | well, they can leave, but many things won't travel with them | Jun 13 17:01 |
| schestowitz | like Microsoft, there's assumption of prisoners' complex | Jun 13 17:01 |
| MinceR | that isn't working out | Jun 13 17:01 |
| MinceR | all this talk about IP... https://www.giantbomb.com/ian-paul-freeley/3005-246/ | Jun 13 17:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.giantbomb.com | Ian Paul Freeley (Character) - Giant Bomb | Jun 13 17:01 | |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: And where there's already momentum for that | Jun 13 17:01 |
| schestowitz | install- > *instill fear | Jun 13 17:01 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] The June prognosis is already cemented. | Jun 13 17:02 |
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| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] We won't have to wait for July for freenode to stop being the largest network. | Jun 13 17:02 |
| techrights-bot | "This is an IP and libertarianism Q&A. It was originally supposed to be a debate with an intellectual property attorney on IP but after challenging me, she bowed out." #stephankinsella has long challenged this "AYE PEE" nonsense. https://www.stephankinsella.com/paf-podcast/kol343-aborted-ip-debate-with-nina-prevot/ | Jun 13 17:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stephankinsella.com | KOL343 | Aborted IP Debate with Nina Prevot; IP and Libertarianism Q&A | Jun 13 17:03 | |
| MinceR | i don't get the obsession with "largest network" | Jun 13 17:04 |
| MinceR | more people use dumbFuckBook. does this make dumbFuckBook better? | Jun 13 17:04 |
| MinceR | lots of people use IRCNet, the network made of NIH Syndrome | Jun 13 17:04 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: For some reason even now most connections are made not through irc.techrights.org | Jun 13 17:04 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] what difference does that make to us? | Jun 13 17:05 |
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| techrights-bot | " #IBM is famous for obtaining a lot of patents. Year after year, they’re the top recipient of U.S. patents" And then they BLACKMAIL you, STILL (even after #redhat bought and AllowHurst made IBM President) https://www.patentprogress.org/2021/06/10/moving-the-uspto-from-red-to-black/ see http://techrights.org/2020/12/28/ibm-xmas-patent-bully/ | Jun 13 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentprogress.org | Moving The USPTO From Red To Black - Patent Progress | Jun 13 17:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Christmastime Extortion Shows That IBM Has Not Changed Since Buying Red Hat and It’s Still a Patent Bully | Techrights | Jun 13 17:05 | |
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| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: For some reason it is still the current largest network where it's at | Jun 13 17:05 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] what is "it" that is at the current largest network? | Jun 13 17:06 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] Pennywise? | Jun 13 17:06 |
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| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: peepl | Jun 13 17:06 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] people are overrated :> | Jun 13 17:06 |
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| techrights-bot | #Intel reinforces four post-trial motions to do away with #VLSI Technology's $2.2B jury verdict in Western District of #Texas #patent case http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/intel-reinforces-four-post-trial.html | Jun 13 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Intel reinforces four post-trial motions to do away with VLSI Technology's $2.2B jury verdict in Western District of Texas patent case | Jun 13 17:07 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: people can fly | Jun 13 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | our home connection is pure shite and now it impacts a different machine, a more critical one | Jun 13 17:09 |
| schestowitz | utter shite | Jun 13 17:09 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Can_Fly | Jun 13 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | People Can Fly - Wikipedia | Jun 13 17:09 | |
| techrights-bot | #MedTech is mostly a meaningless misnomer or buzzwords that monopolists and #litigation zealots use to make #softwarepatent sound honourable https://www.bioworld.com/articles/508121-bioworld-medtech-patent-highlights-week-22?v=preview see http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ | Jun 13 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BioWorld MedTech Patent Highlights: Week 22 | 2021-06-11 | BioWorld | Jun 13 17:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) — Like MedTech at the EPO — Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights | Jun 13 17:12 | |
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| schestowitz | I've reset that connection, let's see how that works out | Jun 13 17:15 |
| schestowitz | frustrating since it started around 10 days ago | Jun 13 17:15 |
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| techrights-bot | ABC News: #Germany rolling out digital #EU vaccination pass. So back we go to Nazi policies, like those which #IBM profits from http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/ IBM STILL at this, misusing the "LINUX" brand to promote it: http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ | Jun 13 17:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights | Jun 13 17:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights | Jun 13 17:17 | |
| techrights-bot | Too many #patents simply harm the public https://www.centerforbiosimilars.com/view/matrix-report-identifies-shortcomings-of-us-patent-system | Jun 13 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.centerforbiosimilars.com | Matrix Report Identifies Shortcomings of US Patent System | Jun 13 17:18 | |
| techrights-bot | #patents on #cancer again https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/06/09/2244676/0/en/Onxeo-Receives-Notice-of-Allowance-for-a-New-Patent-Broadening-the-Protection-of-AsiDNA-in-combination-with-a-PARP-Inhibitor-in-the-United-States.html see explanation of the ethical issues associated with that, e.g. (TR wrote about it many times before) http://techrights.org/2015/12/26/epo-and-cancer/ | Jun 13 17:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globenewswire.com | Onxeo Receives Notice of Allowance for a New Patent | Jun 13 17:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Insensitivity at the EPO’s Management – Part II: Patent Office as a Cancer | Techrights | Jun 13 17:19 | |
| MinceR | maybe they could sue people that have cancer for patent infringement | Jun 13 17:20 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▄▂▅▆▁▃▅▃▄▄▄▄▂▅▄▅▆▅▂▄▆▆▅▆▅▅▂▅▅▆▆▄▁ avg(k/sec) 21.76 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▃▁▂▂▃▂▃▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 13.05▕ swarm size (avg): 244.45 ⟲ | Jun 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: if they get cured | Jun 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | maybe they can settling or reverse-mortgaging the home | Jun 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | *end up settling | Jun 13 17:21 |
| MinceR | i think the court should rule that they must be cured | Jun 13 17:22 |
| MinceR | so that they no longer infringe | Jun 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | haha, what a cruel justice system | Jun 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | "die already... to avoid the lawsuit" | Jun 13 17:22 |
| MinceR | that works too, i guess | Jun 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | sick world | Jun 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | but | Jun 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | it's profitable | Jun 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | a sick world has more clientele :-) | Jun 13 17:22 |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-5-21-9.jpg | Jun 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | a healthy world sucks: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html | Jun 13 17:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Goldman asks: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?' | Jun 13 17:23 | |
| MinceR | a healthy world is devoid of humans :> | Jun 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | for nature it is better | Jun 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | before it runs our of "lumber" | Jun 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | what we call trees when we sell them carved up at ridiculous prices | Jun 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Jun 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: | Jun 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | for you | Jun 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | there's a segment in this RMS interview about overpopulation | Jun 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ | Jun 13 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights | Jun 13 17:25 | |
| MinceR | i've seen it | Jun 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | but I watched the final parts after about 3 hours, so maybe it is not included | Jun 13 17:25 |
| MinceR | i mean i watched it live | Jun 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | RMS lacks the sensibilities | Jun 13 17:25 |
| MinceR | or maybe he has sensibilities for nature and for quality of human life | Jun 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | he preaches this to a devour catholic country with high birth rates | Jun 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | and it sort of backfired | Jun 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | they said Olive too has a daughter | Jun 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | RMS said she was into dancer, but they said she was a "hacker" | Jun 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | *Oliva | Jun 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | He also got in trouble for talking about Minsky | Jun 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | and the term "assault" | Jun 13 17:26 |
| MinceR | catholics would prefer to have tens of billions or more living in suffering and poverty | Jun 13 17:28 |
| MinceR | because they idolize suffering and limitless reproduction | Jun 13 17:28 |
| techrights-bot | 2021: even #patent BLOGS (not just so-called 'journalism' -- a dying breed since years ago) turn to "ohhhh ... loook... here are some tweets I typed up" instead of actual reporting on issues https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/involving-patent-arising.html | Jun 13 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Involving Patent Issues vs. Arising Under the Patent Laws | Patently-O | Jun 13 17:28 | |
| MinceR | oh, and they also idolize poverty ...for others | Jun 13 17:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: and it wins votes | Jun 13 17:28 |
| schestowitz | a numbers game | Jun 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | it's not just catholics | Jun 13 17:29 |
| MinceR | and before someone brings it up, yes, most abrahamic cults are also like that | Jun 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | it's the more devout religions | Jun 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, beat me to it... | Jun 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | that's why they are so "successful" | Jun 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | it' a numbers game | Jun 13 17:29 |
| MinceR | catholics might be a bit special because they toured africa telling people that contraception is evil | Jun 13 17:30 |
| leah | hm | Jun 13 17:31 |
| techrights-bot | #patent "class action antitrust claims that pay-for-delay deals kept #generic versions of Alzheimer's drug Namenda off the market after a New York federal judge largely rejected the parties' competing bids for a quick win Friday." https://www.law360.com/ip/articles/1393316/allergan-unit-must-face-bulk-of-namenda-pay-for-delay-suit | Jun 13 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Allergan Unit Must Face Bulk Of Namenda Pay-For-Delay Suit - Law360 | Jun 13 17:31 | |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] anyway, i'm done here now. i'll continue talking in #techrights on freenode | Jun 13 17:31 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] leah: weird | Jun 13 17:32 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] i only came to the self-hosted one at irc.techrights.org, to PM ariadne when she requested an audience with me | Jun 13 17:32 |
| techrights-bot | Deals behind our backs, NOT in our names, NOT in our interest https://www.natlawreview.com/article/transatlantic-trade-us-and-europe-week-june-7-2021 #eu #collusion #uk #g7 | Jun 13 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Transatlantic Trade Update: G-7 Summit, EU-UK Trade deals | Jun 13 17:32 | |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] leah: Can ye elaborate on the decision? | Jun 13 17:32 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] hm. actually | Jun 13 17:32 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] should i stay here? | Jun 13 17:32 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] this place is bridged with freenode | Jun 13 17:32 |
| MinceR | it is | Jun 13 17:32 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] ah ok | Jun 13 17:32 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] well i tried to register my nick here, but couldn't | Jun 13 17:32 |
| MinceR | sadly, color codes don't make it across | Jun 13 17:32 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] it said i was already authed, even though i never registered my nick on this ircd | Jun 13 17:32 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] how do i register and guard my nick here on self-hosted techrights? | Jun 13 17:33 |
| MinceR | so it's easier to follow from over here... OTOH it's easier to tab-complete nicks on TR, if your client tries to tab-complete nicks that spoke most recently (like irssi) | Jun 13 17:33 |
| techrights-bot | "I'm a model!" Oh really, what kind? "Quantitative!" Using lingo and cyrpto-crap to hype up buzzwords and waning cargo cults for posers. https://www.investing.com/news/cryptocurrency-news/forecasting-bitcoin-price-using-quantitative-models-part-4-2530614 | Jun 13 17:33 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] i will lurk here if i can figure that out, and stop joining the freenode channel | Jun 13 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.investing.com | Forecasting Bitcoin price using quantitative models, Part 4 By Cointelegraph | Jun 13 17:33 | |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I hope that schestowitz will move the bots. | Jun 13 17:33 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] to find out: /quote nickserv help register | Jun 13 17:33 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Now that more evidence is clear, that feels like more of a possibility. | Jun 13 17:33 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] thanks | Jun 13 17:33 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] np | Jun 13 17:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, autocomplete | Jun 13 17:36 |
| schestowitz | as most of us are still here | Jun 13 17:36 |
| schestowitz | [17:32] <tr-bridge> [leah/tr] should i stay here? | Jun 13 17:36 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Completely independent from the masters, eh? | Jun 13 17:36 |
| MinceR | i mean, irssi sticks those /fn nicks into its list and tab-completes them too | Jun 13 17:36 |
| schestowitz | as we said weeks ago, or over a week ago, it gives us downtime tolerancw | Jun 13 17:36 |
| MinceR | but only where relaymsg works | Jun 13 17:37 |
| schestowitz | if one network is wonky, the other is still working, so being in both is OK | Jun 13 17:37 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: well, not completely | Jun 13 17:37 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: we'd need more redundant hosting for that | Jun 13 17:37 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I mean the big IRC networks. | Jun 13 17:38 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] and one particular one that is on a cancellation rampage right now. | Jun 13 17:38 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] the smaller ones have masters too | Jun 13 17:38 |
| schestowitz | if not now, in the future | Jun 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | they're not predictable | Jun 13 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | they're like G+ or google photos or whatnot | Jun 13 17:39 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: That one has been predictable though. | Jun 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | you don't get to decide or even express an opinion about their direction | Jun 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86 not in 2008 | Jun 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | we made a good choice then | Jun 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | seeing it went on ok for so long | Jun 13 17:40 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: It was a different network then. | Jun 13 17:40 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] yeah anyway: | Jun 13 17:40 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: It's under new management. | Jun 13 17:40 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): You're already logged into an account | Jun 13 17:40 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] this is what it says when i try to register | Jun 13 17:40 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] yeah, you're logged in as leah | Jun 13 17:40 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] did what was suggested just now, still don't work | Jun 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's not wrong | Jun 13 17:40 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] ergo ircd is weird, it ties nicks and nickserv accounts together rather tightly | Jun 13 17:40 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] yeah but this is irc.techrights.org, not freenode | Jun 13 17:41 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] i'm already logged in on freenode | Jun 13 17:41 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] but my leah nick isn't registered on irc.techrights.org, the self-hosted one | Jun 13 17:41 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i mean you're logged in as leah _here_ | Jun 13 17:41 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] how though | Jun 13 17:41 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] i never registered my nick here | Jun 13 17:41 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] maybe you had a certificate when you connected or something | Jun 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | maybe a bug | Jun 13 17:41 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] you can check it with /quote nickserv info leah | Jun 13 17:41 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Notice how no such hiccups happened on the "under old management" network. | Jun 13 17:41 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] more serious things happened on it | Jun 13 17:42 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] All the fears have stayed unrealised. | Jun 13 17:42 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] not really | Jun 13 17:42 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] 17:41 -- NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): Account: leah | Jun 13 17:42 |
| schestowitz | IRC became more polarised than before | Jun 13 17:42 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] 17:41 -- NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): Registered at: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 12:49:50 UTC | Jun 13 17:42 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: What did they do? Tell CM "ye can't do that"? | Jun 13 17:42 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] 17:41 -- NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): Account leah has 0 registered channel(s). | Jun 13 17:42 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] but i never registered it | Jun 13 17:42 |
| schestowitz | but worse, they split free software themselves along political lines now | Jun 13 17:43 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] so how do i auth if i don't know the password? | Jun 13 17:43 |
| schestowitz | sort of like LF and OSI do | Jun 13 17:43 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] i'm pretty sure nobody else registered it here either | Jun 13 17:43 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: i don't remember it was years ago, but i left #freenode and #freenode-social over it | Jun 13 17:43 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: then they tried to cancel RMS and the FSF board | Jun 13 17:43 |
| schestowitz | they can agree on a licence, but if you vote "wrong", you will be banished somehiw | Jun 13 17:43 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] can someone just like, manually do something to make me have it? | Jun 13 17:43 |
| tr-bridge | [leah/tr] email address leah@libreboot.org | Jun 13 17:43 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] leah: do you have a server password or SASL set up? | Jun 13 17:43 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] Ariadne knows the peculiarities of ergo better than i do | Jun 13 17:44 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: As something that didn't exactly happen in the IRC world, that's not really evidence to the contrary. | Jun 13 17:45 |
| techrights-bot | In 1:32:00 of this video of #RMS he speaks about why we should make something like "crust" to replace #rustlang ... I think that's a good idea if we want to #deletegithub and remove ourselves from the #microsoft infiltration (e.g. in Rust Foundation) ... while still using #freesw made in Rust http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ | Jun 13 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights | Jun 13 17:45 | |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: what happens on shithub stays on shithub? | Jun 13 17:45 |
| schestowitz | not always, MinceR | Jun 13 17:46 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Even FSF trusts them not to let their personal opinions affect their IRC work. | Jun 13 17:46 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: being cancelled is a "personal opinion"? | Jun 13 17:46 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] the opinions that are not in solidarity either | Jun 13 17:46 |
| schestowitz | time will tell | Jun 13 17:46 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jun 13 17:46 |
| schestowitz | friday to sunday | Jun 13 17:46 |
| schestowitz | not even 48 hours yet | Jun 13 17:46 |
| schestowitz | and how many people are in LC/#fsf ? | Jun 13 17:47 |
| schestowitz | I saw 225 in FN/#fsf today | Jun 13 17:47 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] "i got fired from my job, but that's my own personal opinion so i'll just keep going there and demand paychecks" | Jun 13 17:47 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: They k-lined someone who disagreed? | Jun 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: reminds me to check IBM boards | Jun 13 17:48 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: if parties A and B exist, and party A does something evil, does this prove party B to be good? | Jun 13 17:48 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Has party B displayed any unprofessional behaviour in their IRC work? | Jun 13 17:49 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] indeed | Jun 13 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I said before, we deal with choice of masters | Jun 13 17:49 |
| schestowitz | and the masters change over time | Jun 13 17:49 |
| schestowitz | so it is a false dicoptomy | Jun 13 17:49 |
| schestowitz | like idiots who buy everything with an "i" on it | Jun 13 17:49 |
| schestowitz | because Windows "sucks" | Jun 13 17:49 |
| schestowitz | and they focus on brands, not the underlying issues | Jun 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | so it's them who are Microsoftr bashers | Jun 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | we we beyond that | Jun 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | we are proprietary software and centralisation bashers | Jun 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | we mock the modality | Jun 13 17:50 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] So beyond that it is written on freenode. | Jun 13 17:50 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] criticism is not bashing | Jun 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | and we look for actual solutions that tackle things at the root | Jun 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | many people choose BRAND for their listening devices | Jun 13 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Alexa/Siri/Cortana | Jun 13 17:51 |
| schestowitz | depends on which brand spent the most on marketing, lying to them | Jun 13 17:51 |
| schestowitz | "carbon-neutral" pinkwashing antracist Pentagon contractor :-) | Jun 13 17:51 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] got to have the correct logo on the microphone that sends everything to the NSA | Jun 13 17:51 |
| schestowitz | MyCroft might be OK | Jun 13 17:52 |
| schestowitz | they try to tackle the issue | Jun 13 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla had a project going for a while, but based on lack of blog posts they must have canned it | Jun 13 17:52 |
| schestowitz | and they started obsessing about the "diversity" of such things (languages etc.) instead of making something that just works | Jun 13 17:52 |
| schestowitz | voices, languages, dialects | Jun 13 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Twitter took down its image cropped | Jun 13 17:53 |
| schestowitz | *cropper | Jun 13 17:53 |
| schestowitz | because mobs in Twitter accused that tool of racism | Jun 13 17:53 |
| schestowitz | twitter panicked and took the whole software down | Jun 13 17:53 |
| schestowitz | HP similarly with webcams iirc | Jun 13 17:53 |
| schestowitz | because people whose skin bounces back less photons is harder to derive contours from | Jun 13 17:53 |
| schestowitz | physics are racist | Jun 13 17:54 |
| schestowitz | photons are bigots | Jun 13 17:54 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] lol | Jun 13 17:54 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] if they used neural networks then maybe they trained them less with darker-skinned humans | Jun 13 17:54 |
| schestowitz | this is what "ethics" in "tehc" [sic] boils down to | Jun 13 17:54 |
| schestowitz | a bunch of tehc STONKS moaning not about privacy issues | Jun 13 17:54 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] it's convenient for corporate posturing | Jun 13 17:55 |
| schestowitz | but things like, how does this program pick up my voice to ship it to the NSA | Jun 13 17:55 |
| schestowitz | NSA OK | Jun 13 17:55 |
| schestowitz | the interpreter not OK | Jun 13 17:55 |
| *lchapoguzman (~lou@rrcs-24-43-84-163.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrights | Jun 13 17:55 | |
| MinceR | no need for any actual ethical behavior, just plaster the right symbols and the right sorts of stock photos on corporate surfaces | Jun 13 17:55 |
| schestowitz | no, i worked with such NIST sets | Jun 13 17:55 |
| schestowitz | for like a whole year | Jun 13 17:56 |
| schestowitz | some ethnicities are harder | Jun 13 17:56 |
| schestowitz | for different reasons | Jun 13 17:56 |
| schestowitz | like ethnic diversity, racial hair, complexion | Jun 13 17:56 |
| schestowitz | you might even have to change the cameras | Jun 13 17:56 |
| schestowitz | and focus on depth scans | Jun 13 17:56 |
| schestowitz | colour is not always enough | Jun 13 17:57 |
| schestowitz | it's OK if you have a bunch of 'white' faces | Jun 13 17:57 |
| schestowitz | at risk of going into territories that are considered racist, some Africans (they're NOT one race) are very very dark, compare to those in east Africa | Jun 13 17:58 |
| schestowitz | and you would just need another classifier type | Jun 13 17:58 |
| schestowitz | the problem is that many face-rec systems were made for, and by, "white" people | Jun 13 17:58 |
| schestowitz | and going back to Mozilla and voice rec: | Jun 13 17:59 |
| schestowitz | they're biased towards English | Jun 13 17:59 |
| schestowitz | they're funded and run by mostly Europeans and Americans | Jun 13 17:59 |
| schestowitz | no matter what stock photography they pick for their blogs | Jun 13 17:59 |
| schestowitz | all corporations are like that | Jun 13 17:59 |
| MinceR | depth scans are expensive | Jun 13 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft works in reverse even: http://techrights.org/2009/08/25/white-people-in-poland/ | Jun 13 18:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Wants Only White People in Poland | Techrights | Jun 13 18:00 | |
| MinceR | elon musk is too cheap to put lidars in his overpriced cars :> | Jun 13 18:00 |
| schestowitz | actively REMOVING the 'misfits' | Jun 13 18:00 |
| schestowitz | the world's richest african | Jun 13 18:00 |
| schestowitz | colonist family | Jun 13 18:00 |
| schestowitz | ● NEWS ● #DemocracyNow #Germany #de ☞ Why Germany’s Apology for Its 1904-1908 #Genocide in #Namibia Does Not Go Far Enough https://www.democracynow.org/2021/6/11/namibia_german_apology_reparations | Jun 13 18:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Why Germany’s Apology for Its 1904-1908 Genocide in Namibia Does Not Go Far Enough | Democracy Now! | Jun 13 18:01 | |
| schestowitz | "test run" | Jun 13 18:01 |
| schestowitz | another "test run": Aktion T4 http://techrights.org/2019/07/16/haar-dark-historical-shadow/ | Jun 13 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Looney Tunes – Part 2: The “Difficult Legacy” and Its Dark Historical Shadow | Techrights | Jun 13 18:02 | |
| schestowitz | but hey, let's focus on minor issues | Jun 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | like what the git branch is named | Jun 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | that'll accomplish so much MOAR | Jun 13 18:03 |
| schestowitz | After you Microsoft, we'll follow your lead on repo names: http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ | Jun 13 18:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights | Jun 13 18:03 | |
| schestowitz | in a site that works for ICE :D | Jun 13 18:03 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: if that edit is racist, is Vitamin D also racist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D | Jun 13 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Vitamin D - Wikipedia | Jun 13 18:05 | |
| MinceR | obviously | Jun 13 18:05 |
| MinceR | everything is racist in this world, except for crybullies | Jun 13 18:05 |
| schestowitz | anyway, don't mean to sound crude, but we need to get the priorities right | Jun 13 18:05 |
| schestowitz | the issue is mass spying on all races | Jun 13 18:05 |
| MinceR | just ask matthew garrett | Jun 13 18:05 |
| schestowitz | the corporate media arranges for "micro scandals"a | Jun 13 18:05 |
| schestowitz | and gets us to obsesses over those, instead | Jun 13 18:05 |
| AVRS | (e.g. "Vitamin D deficiency is common in Hispanic and African-Americans in the United States, with levels dropping significantly in the winter.") | Jun 13 18:06 |
| schestowitz | this afternoon: [14:56] <techrights-bot> #cnbc is little but megaphone of propaganda arm for companies that SPY on you the MOST, e.g. #Amazon , #Microsoft and #IBM https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/12/a-year-later-tech-companies-calls-to-regulate-facial-recognition-met-with-little-progress.html original headline: "A year later, tech companies' calls to regulate facial recognition met with little progress" | Jun 13 18:06 |
| AVRS | because they need more sun | Jun 13 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Rules around facial recognition and policing remain blurry | Jun 13 18:06 | |
| schestowitz | "regulate" | Jun 13 18:06 |
| schestowitz | AVRS: I get burned easily | Jun 13 18:06 |
| MinceR | it's probably a better idea to take Vitamin D supplements | Jun 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | and it does permanent harm, since a decade ago | Jun 13 18:07 |
| MinceR | because that avoids the risk of skin cancer | Jun 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Humans will evolved to have a dependency on pills, abortions, what else? | Jun 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | c-sections are already a dependency in countries that have them | Jun 13 18:08 |
| MinceR | oxygen | Jun 13 18:08 |
| MinceR | our most difficult addiction of all | Jun 13 18:08 |
| schestowitz | well, it is abundant | Jun 13 18:08 |
| schestowitz | so animals use that for combustion | Jun 13 18:08 |
| schestowitz | we could adapt, somehow, to other gases | Jun 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | fish don't even use raw oxygen | Jun 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | in gas form | Jun 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | no carbon | Jun 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | the gases you get at operations are a lot more addictive than c02 | Jun 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | co2 | Jun 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | i doubt CO2 is addictive | Jun 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | the human body reacts pretty adversely to high concentrations of CO2 | Jun 13 18:11 |
| techrights-bot | Trickle down? Haha, don't you kid me... https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2021/06/13/apartments-near-mcclellan-nearly-double-in-value.html | Jun 13 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | NO TITLE | Jun 13 18:11 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] schestowitz: surely the literal fascism is more important and more encompassing than the spying | Jun 13 18:11 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] the spying is just one asperct | Jun 13 18:11 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] aspect* | Jun 13 18:11 |
| schestowitz | yes, it's a tool | Jun 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | an instrument of mass control | Jun 13 18:12 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: I read the Russian Vitamin D article recently, and it seemed to claim it is impossible to get enough Vitamin D from food or from sunlight | Jun 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | I always say, it's threefold | Jun 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | censorship+surveillance+propaganda/indocrination | Jun 13 18:13 |
| AVRS | Anyway, it might be less healthy for people with more sunny origins to be in less sunny places | Jun 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | because you can avoid physical confrontation by fencing the minds and removing "toxic" elements (people and ideas weeded out) | Jun 13 18:13 |
| AVRS | s/to be/to live/ | Jun 13 18:13 |
| AVRS | Unless that article was written by racists, of course | Jun 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | I think that's a straw man | Jun 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | if someone calls them racist, he or she is the straw man | Jun 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | we do have real racists | Jun 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | and there's an effort to shift to BS | Jun 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | petty little issues | Jun 13 18:14 |
| techrights-bot | It's quite incredible to what length litigation profiteers/fanatics would go to promote #patents on nature and life, casting them as "technology" or "invention" https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/crispr-interference-parties-file-motions-to-exclude-evidence-and-for-oral-hearing.html #patent #monopoly #crispr | Jun 13 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: CRISPR Interference Parties File Motions to Exclude Evidence and for Oral Hearing | Jun 13 18:17 | |
| techrights-bot | Corrupt 'law' firm M&C (lawsuits proved #corruption recently) looking for sneaky and cheeky ways to promote fake and unlawful #patents on software, mostly using buzzwords like "MedTech" and "Innovation" https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1077602/medtech-innovation-is-going-digital-but-is-patent-protection-keeping-up http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-do | Jun 13 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Medtech Innovation Is Going Digital But Is Patent Protection Keeping Up? - Intellectual Property - UK | Jun 13 18:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) — Like MedTech at the EPO — Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights | Jun 13 18:19 | |
| techrights-bot | "A framework for understanding how the Federal Circuit determines the "ordinary and customary" meaning of claim terms." = tricks for bypassing the #law to get #fakePatents and fool examiners, then judges. #patent maximalism at its finest. NOT about justice. https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/mbhb-webinar-on-claim-construction.html | Jun 13 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: MBHB Webinar on Claim Construction | Jun 13 18:21 | |
| techrights-bot | Fake #journalism (that is actually SPAM) became so prevalent in these so-called 'IP' site. Firm hires ONE person (yes, someone changes job!) and it becomes: "HGF expands in Europe with France opening". #WorldIntellectualPropertyReview used to write news, now it's mostly PR SPAM. https://www.worldipreview.com/news/hgf-expands-in-europe-with-france-opening-21446 | Jun 13 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldipreview.com | HGF expands in Europe with France opening | Jun 13 18:23 | |
| techrights-bot | Of course #designpatents ought not exist at all, but when money buys laws even merely knowing something from one'e job or employer can become a "crime" https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s6mv6pb29606/why-changes-to-chinas-design-patent-law-are-a-big-deal see http://techrights.org/2018/08/02/design-patents-legitimacy/ | Jun 13 18:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Why changes to China’s design patent law are a big deal | Managing Intellectual Property | Jun 13 18:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Design Patents: When Appearances Rather Than Inventions and Functions Are Oddly Enough Covered by Patents, Not Copyrights or Trademarks | Techrights | Jun 13 18:26 | |
| techrights-bot | Let's watch the planet BURN... for #patents ... https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1076848/a-shift-in-carbon-capture-and-storage-technology | Jun 13 18:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | A Shift In Carbon Capture And Storage Technology? - Intellectual Property - UK | Jun 13 18:27 | |
| techrights-bot | Do you want to solve climate crisis? This law firm, which faces lawsuits for massive corruption at the moment (not for its shameless promotion of illegal patents), wants to monopolise the solution, then gloats about this suicidal (to humans) agenda. Imagine patent lawyers getting together to secure human survival instead of human exploitation through monopolies. They basically look to just 'monetise' crises which they | Jun 13 18:28 |
| techrights-bot | Painting #extortion and #blackmailing of individuals as an act of emancipation of women. PR tactics and #femmewashing have swept over the litigation and absurd #monopolies microcosm https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s66bdfk1x6yh/women-in-business-law-awards-europe-2021-register-for-the-virtual-awards-ceremony | Jun 13 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Women in Business Law Awards Europe 2021: register for the virtual awards ceremony | Managing Intellectual Property | Jun 13 18:30 | |
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| techrights-bot | #patents on #sports or how law firms look to poison everything to artificially inflate prices and exploit poorly-paid athletes https://blog.dennemeyer.com/everyday-ip-the-notable-ip-of-golf-basketball-and-other-sports they even use the propaganda term and misnomer "IP" | Jun 13 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.dennemeyer.com | Everyday IP: The notable IP of golf, basketball and other sports | Jun 13 18:32 | |
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| techrights-bot | After "APPLE SILICON" come more buzzwords to impress people. Well, not all people. To impress people who sweat every time they hear "Apple" or "Jobs" or "i" (identifying themselves with an exploitative and oppressive brand) https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2021/06/tsmcs-3dfabric-technology-is-the-next-big-wave-in-chip-design-that-apple-will-take-advantage-of-in-the-not-too-distant-futur.html | Jun 13 18:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentlyapple.com | TSMC's 3DFabric Technology is the next big wave in Chip Design that Apple will take advantage of in the not-too-distant Future - Patently Apple | Jun 13 18:34 | |
| techrights-bot | Conveniently overlooks the fact that the #EPO Enlarged Board of Appeal is a rigged kangaroo court beholden to people who break the law and kidnap judges https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1077446/european-patent-office-opposition-procedure http://techrights.org/2021/06/12/mihaly-ficsor-past/ | Jun 13 18:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Patent Office Opposition Procedure - Intellectual Property - European Union | Jun 13 18:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice — Part 4: Mihály Ficsor, the EPO’s Hungarian “Fixer” | Techrights | Jun 13 18:36 | |
| techrights-bot | Has #FDA devolved (not only under Trump) into rubber-stamping agency? Quite a few insiders leave in protest already. https://www.scienceboard.net/index.aspx?sec=sup&sub=can&pag=dis&ItemID=2803 | Jun 13 18:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scienceboard.net | FDA approves Alzheimer's treatment under accelerated pathway | Jun 13 18:38 | |
| techrights-bot | When it says " #FDA used an accelerated regulatory pathway for the approval" it just means to say that FDA broke its own standard, charter, purpose. The whole point of regulation and certification is that there's a time delay and evidentiality-based burden. FDA exists to protect the public, or maybe it's to protect shareholders now? | Jun 13 18:40 |
| techrights-bot | Tax is a job destroyer. Regulation is business killer. Right? Myths promoted by corporations that just want to become governments. I.e. control billions of people without earning any consent, e.g. through voting. | Jun 13 18:42 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Taxing individuals that make under a middle class income is not a great idea. | Jun 13 18:43 |
| techrights-bot | 44 mins ago: "Maybe #IBM will dispose of Power, if they can find a buyer - they managed to find a buyer for Notes, so apparently anything is possible - but it won't be by shoving it onto Kyndryl's books." #Kyndryl #layoffs #exodus https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1biByoMH#replies | Jun 13 18:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Is there any new information about IBM selling Watson Health? - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 18:44 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: right, but what they suggest is not taxing large corporations | Jun 13 18:44 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] They spend their entire paycheck, go broke, and end up being the victims of predatory loans. That's why everyone I know, including myself, has been through at least one "voluntary" bankruptcy proceeding. | Jun 13 18:44 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] on regulation: https://www.salon.com/2021/06/12/jeff-bezos-bad-week-gets-worse-with-introduction-of-sweeping-new-big-tech-antitrust-legislation/ | Jun 13 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jeff Bezos’ bad week gets worse with introduction of sweeping new Big Tech antitrust legislation | Salon.com | Jun 13 18:45 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Illinois, which is like 90% Democrat, including 100% Democrat in all statewide offices, has the 9th most regressive tax structure in the nation. | Jun 13 18:46 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] They say they represent working people when all they really do is tax you and make your life suck so they can hand it all over to state union scum and it ends up back in their grubby little mitts. | Jun 13 18:46 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Janus vs. AFSCME was a good start, but so not enough. | Jun 13 18:47 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Illinois is making some mild positive reforms, as Stallman put it. It just passed its first usury law, but it set the interest level way too high of course. | Jun 13 18:47 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] 26.99%? | Jun 13 18:47 |
| techrights-bot | Villainous lobbying for so-called 'harmonisation', wherein the patent extremists foist their wishlist (as "law") onto other countries (not their own) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s6fklhs87yy7/semiconductor-in-house-speak-out-on-top-ip-concerns | Jun 13 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Semiconductor in-house speak out on top IP concerns | Managing Intellectual Property | Jun 13 18:48 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Fucking Indiana has theirs at 21.99% and they're Republicans! | Jun 13 18:48 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Usury, in my opinion, is any loan higher than about 15%. | Jun 13 18:48 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] taxing anyone is not a good idea | Jun 13 18:48 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] That's usury. Interest alone isn't good, but higher than 15% is definitely usury. | Jun 13 18:48 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] it gives the state money they can abuse against the people | Jun 13 18:48 |
| techrights-bot | "EU MEPs backed a resolution by 355 votes to 263 supports waiving patents for vaccines, the parliament announced on Thursday." Now we know which politicians are likely bribed by the #patent #monopoly or #cartel of drugs https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s6w2bdvr1zm1/this-week-in-ip-uk-exhaustion-review-concerning-eu-legislator-backs-covid-waiver-senate-passes-trade-secrets-bill | Jun 13 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | This week in IP: UK exhaustion review ‘concerning’, EU legislator backs COVID waiver, Senate passes trade secrets bill | Managing Intellectual Property | Jun 13 18:49 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Usury, broadly defined, is any amount of interest that is so high that there is no likelihood of the debtor ever managing to pay it back. | Jun 13 18:49 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] A revolving loan of 15% is already nearly impossible to pay back, because the banks don't cut you off when you get close to your limit. They double your limit. | Jun 13 18:50 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: you are crazy | Jun 13 18:50 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] no u | Jun 13 18:50 |
| techrights-bot | Maybe missing the point that the vast proportion of the population thinks #patents on mere design ought not exist at all. It is common sense https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s78b03q7br2h/four-ways-in-house-hone-solid-design-patent-strategies see http://techrights.org/2018/08/02/design-patents-legitimacy/ | Jun 13 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Four ways in-house hone solid design patent strategies | Managing Intellectual Property | Jun 13 18:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Design Patents: When Appearances Rather Than Inventions and Functions Are Oddly Enough Covered by Patents, Not Copyrights or Trademarks | Techrights | Jun 13 18:51 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: you want an anarchy state, that is crazy | Jun 13 18:51 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] no, i don't want any state | Jun 13 18:52 |
| techrights-bot | More of that #Medtech #propaganda which very often acts as a placeholder for illegal #patents on algorithms https://tmrresearchblog.com/healthcare-patent-filing-outsourcing-market-to-gain-massive-thrust-from-cost-reduction-measures/ see http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ | Jun 13 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tmrresearchblog.com | Healthcare Patent Filing Outsourcing Market to Gain Massive Thrust from Cost-reduction Measures – TMR Research Blog | Jun 13 18:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) — Like MedTech at the EPO — Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights | Jun 13 18:52 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Next Sunday is Father's Day. Mandy says we should go to the zoo to celebrate Felta. | Jun 13 18:52 |
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| psydroid | maybe wanting to keep things the way they are now is crazy | Jun 13 18:52 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] we've tried every model of government and none of them turned out to be workable with humans | Jun 13 18:52 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] they all turned out to be disasters | Jun 13 18:52 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I haven't even seen Felta since he dropped by one day in 2012(?) and asked if I wanted to go to the Chinese restaurant. | Jun 13 18:53 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] it's time to get rid of the scam known as the "social contract" | Jun 13 18:53 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] He hides out and doesn't want anyone to know where Felta and Janice of Borg live. | Jun 13 18:53 |
| techrights-bot | Actually, EVs have been around for decades, but it's the #patent gold rush that is growing and the #lawyers thus drool all over themselves https://www.mondaq.com/india/patent/1076718/electric-vehicles-as-an-emerging-technology | Jun 13 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Electric Vehicles As An Emerging Technology - Intellectual Property - India | Jun 13 18:53 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, I started calling my step mother Janice of Borg when I was like 16 or so, before they even got married. | Jun 13 18:54 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] :) | Jun 13 18:55 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] As in she assimilated my dad with nanobots and he's not allowed to have any contact with his family anymore. | Jun 13 18:55 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] borg was a fine person | Jun 13 18:55 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] he even won some grand slams | Jun 13 18:55 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] *gran | Jun 13 18:55 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] lol | Jun 13 18:55 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] hmm... turns out there's more than one | Jun 13 18:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Björn_Borg_(swimmer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Björn_Borg | Jun 13 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Björn Borg (swimmer) - Wikipedia | Jun 13 18:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Björn Borg - Wikipedia | Jun 13 18:56 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] didn't known about the swimmer | Jun 13 18:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] "In 1991–1993, Borg attempted a comeback on the men's professional tennis tour, coached by Welsh karate expert Ron Thatcher. Before his 1991 return, Borg grew his hair out as it had been during his previous professional tennis career and he returned to using a wooden racket" | Jun 13 18:57 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] well, being a lot is kind of the Borg's thing :> | Jun 13 18:57 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I had a page called aboutjan on my site that was hidden with a very small link off to the side that wasn't meant to be seen. | Jun 13 18:58 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It had her as the Icon of Sin from Doom. | Jun 13 18:59 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] Doom II | Jun 13 18:59 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Loaded one of the Doom Midis I had. Netscape would load it in Headspace Beatnik (not a bad midi player, actually). | Jun 13 19:00 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Yes. | Jun 13 19:00 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Beatnik Mitnick | Jun 13 19:01 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Beatnik Sputnik | Jun 13 19:01 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Since I came across gzdoom I don't even play WADs in the original Doom engines. | Jun 13 19:01 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] yeah, gzdoom is good | Jun 13 19:02 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It managed to update the look and feel without ruining the gameplay and that's pretty neat, since it loads game data that hasn't been modified for almost 30 years now. | Jun 13 19:02 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] so's prboom+, for a more backwards compatible implementation | Jun 13 19:02 |
| techrights-bot | "In 2020, the #USPTO proposed a number of changes to its rules to better align them with the ABA Model Rules. Recently, the agency finalized those proposals (with minor changes) to be effective June 25, 2021." Like, what do they know about ethics? It's all about money to them. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/changes-ethics-practitioners.html | Jun 13 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Changes to the Rules of Ethics for Patent Law Practitioners | Patently-O | Jun 13 19:02 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] If you were doing a speedrun and wanted to take advantage of bugs in the original engine as "legal" moves, I think Chocolate Doom would work fine. | Jun 13 19:03 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Some custom maps also depend on engine bugs to implement a feature. | Jun 13 19:03 |
| techrights-bot | "Puri and YBAT have a fairly long history of #litigation over ownership [sic] and control ... undivided ownership [sic]of intellectual [sic] property [sic] rights." [sic] https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/ownership-trademark-registration.html | Jun 13 19:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Joint Ownership and Trademark Registration | Patently-O | Jun 13 19:03 | |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] yeah, sometimes gzdoom has exceptions to make them work | Jun 13 19:04 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] back in the day, zdoom didn't have them all, though | Jun 13 19:04 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Depending on bugs is sort of dangerous because sometimes they get fixed. | Jun 13 19:05 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Depending on bugs to make a feature work is a very Windows developer thing. | Jun 13 19:05 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] it's also a building on proprietary software thing :> | Jun 13 19:05 |
| techrights-bot | People tested positive for #covid19 in the #uk up 49.3% (~half) this past week alone, but we're also testing a lot, almost a million tests per day. Some countries tested PER CAPITA that many in a whole year. So a lot of comparisons would be apples v oranges. | Jun 13 19:06 |
| BaronVladimirHar | https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60c4ca39e4b0daf882b7ecac | Jun 13 19:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Explosive Diarrhea' Causes NBC's 'Ultimate Slip 'N Slide' To Pause Production: Report | HuffPost | Jun 13 19:08 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] What a tragedy. | Jun 13 19:10 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: wasn't Felta's your dad's nickname? http://techrights.org/irc/ | Jun 13 19:10 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? | Jun 13 19:11 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Felta is is real name. He goes by his middle name. | Jun 13 19:11 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] huff post is still active/ | Jun 13 19:11 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BedWowuRdyU | Jun 13 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Did you ever hear? - YouTube | Jun 13 19:11 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I did wonder recently | Jun 13 19:11 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] "I can see why you would." | Jun 13 19:11 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] HuffPo was ruined by AOL | Jun 13 19:11 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it used to be a propaganda platform for criminals like Gates | Jun 13 19:12 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] AOHELL | Jun 13 19:12 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] felta sounds like a female name | Jun 13 19:12 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] or some italian saying felt | Jun 13 19:13 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] he must have felt bullied at school | Jun 13 19:13 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Oh it gets better. You ask him about it and he gets defensive and says it dates back to Vikings or something. | Jun 13 19:13 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] the kid called "felta: | Jun 13 19:13 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] melta > felta | Jun 13 19:13 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] According to Felta, there were race riots at the high school. | Jun 13 19:14 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] pita carl farmer | Jun 13 19:14 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Someone had their eye stabbed out in the cafeteria with a fork. | Jun 13 19:14 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Also boomers, "Your generation sucks." | Jun 13 19:14 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: eye see... | Jun 13 19:14 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] There's always been unkind feelings between the various races (sometimes, although there's positive stereotypes too). | Jun 13 19:15 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] In modern "society", you have to repress that in public or else. | Jun 13 19:15 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] "Approach maniac. Repeat the last phrase. Add, 'or else'." | Jun 13 19:16 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The world of Demolition Man is the one that mjg59 and co. want to inflict on people. | Jun 13 19:16 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Sterile, annoyingly polite, government that bans everything "not good for you". | Jun 13 19:17 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Ticket machines that spit out a fine if you say anything they don't approve of. | Jun 13 19:17 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] :> | Jun 13 19:18 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] You know, down to the cigarettes. The interesting thing about cigarettes is that my great grandmother was one of those folks that grew tobacco in her yard and smoked it. | Jun 13 19:19 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Lived well into her 90s. | Jun 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | KindOne: why did they k-line you? | Jun 13 19:19 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It's this corporate tobacco that's killing people. So what do they do? They make corporate hipster cigarettes. | Jun 13 19:19 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] IRC is dying. Many networks listed in HexChat don't even work, including Mozilla's. | Jun 13 19:20 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▁▂▅▂▅▅▃▄▅▅▆▆▇▅▆▅▆▃▆▃▄▆▆▅▅▅▄▅▆▆▅▄▃▄▁ avg(k/sec) 22.45 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃█▁▃▁▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▃▂▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 14.66▕ swarm size (avg): 244.49 ⟲ | Jun 13 19:21 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Some have gone from tens of thousands of users to barely over 100. | Jun 13 19:21 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] "We need more than deplatforming." -Mozilla / Also Mozilla: Moves to Matrix.org where people are deplatformed in bulk. | Jun 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | as long as they can run their servers and people use these, it's alive | Jun 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | IRC generally works | Jun 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | and has worked for very, very long | Jun 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla isn't working | Jun 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | so the problem is Mozilla in that case, not IRC | Jun 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | some of their stuff was moved to Google Groups, not even 'real' NNTP | Jun 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | because we know Google's reputation keeping things going... | Jun 13 19:23 |
| schestowitz | like with Mozilla itself | Jun 13 19:23 |
| schestowitz | dangling between monopolies | Jun 13 19:23 |
| schestowitz | pale blue dot | Jun 13 19:23 |
| schestowitz | sudo mv .mozilla /tmp & reboot | Jun 13 19:24 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Added that to Mastodon, also... | Jun 13 19:24 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] "There's no old school hacker stuff going on in Mozilla anymore. | Jun 13 19:24 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It's a political party stuffed with idiots and a $3 million dollar a year CEO while the actual software dies and gets stuffed full of DRM and ads. | Jun 13 19:24 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] To clear the way for Mitchell Baker's latest $500,000 annual raise, 25% of the Firefox devs were fired. The closest thing left to a browser is Seamonkey." | Jun 13 19:24 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] She could have saved 7 or 8 good jobs just by freezing her own salary at $2.5 million. | Jun 13 19:25 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] it's not like they need to do much more work | Jun 13 19:26 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It's nice to know the fine tradition of CEO-ing goes on. | Jun 13 19:26 |
| techrights-bot | "The UK IPO has also launched a public consultation on the UK’s future exhaustion of intellectual [sic] property [sic] rights [sic] regime." You know only #law firms and #monopolies will respond to it. #ukipo is fronting for and also staffed by them. It's an instrument of occupation. They even brainwash kids in schools now. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/sunday-surprises.html | Jun 13 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sunday Surprises - The IPKat | Jun 13 19:26 | |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] they removed ALSA support from their binaries, copied the chrome ui | Jun 13 19:26 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Stuffing their own bank accounts while the company circles the toilet bowl. | Jun 13 19:26 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] maybe they could just make a rebranded fork of chromium with fewer people | Jun 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Fireium | Jun 13 19:27 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Donate to FAILFOX. Mitchell Baker needs another raise! | Jun 13 19:27 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] At the rate this is going we get 2, maybe 3 more of these ESR releases before the company goes under or switches to Chromium. | Jun 13 19:28 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] There's people hanging on with Firefox 52 ESR. I wonder how well that renders websites these days. | Jun 13 19:29 |
| techrights-bot | Dictionary says “patent ” means obvious or apparent https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/patent-law.html #patent #patents #monopolies #protectionism #privatisation | Jun 13 19:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Patent Law - Patently Obvious | Jun 13 19:29 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Security-wise, that's bad, but also so is the reason they're doing it (unsupported operating system). | Jun 13 19:29 |
| techrights-bot | #Ubuntu vs. Lubuntu: Everything you need to know • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152241 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 19:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu vs. Lubuntu: Everything you need to know | Tux Machines | Jun 13 19:29 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Hope they're using NoScript except for their bank. | Jun 13 19:29 |
| techrights-bot | #Huawei is Going to Upgrade Their Devices to HarmonyOS • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152242 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Huawei is Going to Upgrade Their Devices to HarmonyOS | Tux Machines | Jun 13 19:30 | |
| techrights-bot | #Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152243 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 13 19:30 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] That's why the web as a "living thing" sucks. If the browser you use is ruined, you can't just hold out for years on the last version that worked okay and expect everything to more or less work. | Jun 13 19:30 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Winamp 2.95 is still floating around out there. The MP3 standard never changes. Every file ever created still works. | Jun 13 19:31 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The idea of the browser as anything more than a mechanism for fetching documents and rendering them is fundamentally broken and only cheered on by retards. | Jun 13 19:32 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] When they were 5-20 MB, they did nearly anything you'd ever need. | Jun 13 19:32 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] you can't really just hold out for years on the last version of networking applications in general | Jun 13 19:32 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] maybe with something very simple like netcat | Jun 13 19:32 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Even mjg59's favorite, Shitter, used to have a static-like website that mostly worked even on ancient browsers. | Jun 13 19:33 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] social applications in general. Can't hold onto your pre-mp3 media player | Jun 13 19:33 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] because it won't play mp3s | Jun 13 19:33 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] well that's not even social. it's just STUFF in general | Jun 13 19:33 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] No JavaScript. Now you have to turn on a dangerous scripting platform responsible for 90% of all CVEs in the browser just to read what he thinks about how unfair life is to womyn. | Jun 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | FSF belatedly moaned about birdsite | Jun 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | months after techrights pointed out, several times, the JS trap | Jun 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | but FSF is still on there | Jun 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | oddly enough | Jun 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe "mass appeal" and all that | Jun 13 19:34 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Security experts used to just say "Turn JavaScript off. It adds, at best, minor features to the site. It's extremely dangerous.". | Jun 13 19:34 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i wonder which year that advice is from | Jun 13 19:35 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Now you try it and nothing works. Not because it couldn't, but because they WANT spyware and malware shoved onto your computer. | Jun 13 19:35 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] nowadays you won't see any content on a "modern" site without javascript | Jun 13 19:35 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Without JS, most serious against a web browser simply will not work, even if you haven't installed updates for years. | Jun 13 19:36 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] *serious attacks | Jun 13 19:36 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] "what's an img element? i need at least 25 frameworks to get a web browser to display an image!" | Jun 13 19:36 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] img element...also known as HTML....a feature implemented as Quirks Mode for legacy sites with pages measuring kilobytes. | Jun 13 19:37 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] See also, crimethink. | Jun 13 19:37 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] :> | Jun 13 19:37 |
| psydroid | it's even more preposterous to think there wouldn't be a reaction to this development (such as Gemini) | Jun 13 19:38 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Silly MinceR.....Not loading jquery off a remote server. | Jun 13 19:38 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Good web design requires making your user wait for giant elements to load off of servers that might be down or unresponsive before your page can do anything! | Jun 13 19:39 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] don't forget loading javascript from 9001 different domains | Jun 13 19:39 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] preferably with names the user can't decode | Jun 13 19:39 |
| techrights-bot | It's almost like #doom modeled the enemies after #coronavirus https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/doom-eternal-on-linux/ | Jun 13 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | How to play Doom: Eternal on Linux | Jun 13 19:40 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] urgefejwfjghetkslf.com is my favorite! I especially like how this obfuscated script is poking around trying to load Widevine to fingerprint me with. | Jun 13 19:40 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] :> | Jun 13 19:40 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Said nobody ever. | Jun 13 19:40 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Except Conde Nasty. | Jun 13 19:40 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] those enemies were actually modelled after the original cacodemon, which was modelled after the head of the astral dreadnought from AD&D | Jun 13 19:41 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] (influenced by beholders, also from AD&D) | Jun 13 19:41 |
| techrights-bot | "congratulations to CNSA for this accomplishment and hope for a good international cooperation in the exploration of space." Plutocrats dream of planetary escape because/before the pitchforks come out. https://dwaves.de/2021/06/13/chinese-space-agency-cnsa-publishes-zhurong-mars-rover-pictures-of-its-mars-mission-one-very-large-360-picture-how-did-it-do-the-selfie-rover-designed-to-last-only-90-marsian-days/ | Jun 13 19:42 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] mjg59 is one of those people that actually likes those Wiretap Speakers that don't even pretend to do something useful, which listen to everything in your house at all times. | Jun 13 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-» Chinese Space Agency (CNSA) publishes Zhurong Mars rover pictures of its Mars mission – one very large 360 picture – how did it do the selfie – rover designed to last only 90 Marsian days | dwaves.de | Jun 13 19:42 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] "Let's see, I can MITM this and look, there's traffic I can only pretend to understand. And it crashed!" | Jun 13 19:43 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] About the only thing you can figure out on a modern OS is to what domain it's sending encrypted junk to every day. | Jun 13 19:43 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Windows 10 bypasses the HOSTS file to send reports about you back to Microsoft. | Jun 13 19:43 |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <tr-bridge> [DaemonFC/tr] Except Conde Nasty. | Jun 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | RMS and I made up that name | Jun 13 19:44 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] They anticipated people figuring out their telemetry domains and blocking them. | Jun 13 19:44 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] s/telemetry/spyware/g | Jun 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | well, the said troll works for a company which makes "cars" that are informants to insurance companies | Jun 13 19:45 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The only thing people really know is that lower settings for Telemetry do result in smaller ZIP files being sent to Microsoft, but they're encrypted, so you have no idea what's in them. | Jun 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | so they're not really the driver's cars | Jun 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | they're tenants or passengers | Jun 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | with a wheel | Jun 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | 5th wheel :-) | Jun 13 19:45 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] 5th wheel trailer? :> | Jun 13 19:45 |
| psydroid | you'll probably get bonus points | Jun 13 19:46 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] why are you still on freenode? | Jun 13 19:46 |
| psydroid | the more bonus points collected the more you pay for your insurance | Jun 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | it's insuring the shareholders | Jun 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | and they pass laws to make car insurance obligatory | Jun 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | with hardly any safeguard against price gouging, overcharging, cartel, price fixing etc. | Jun 13 19:47 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] car insurance is supposed to be obligatory because otherwise the person you crash into doesn't get paid | Jun 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | we pay lots of money for home insurance | Jun 13 19:47 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i'm still on freenode because it would be difficult to manage our channels there if i wasn't there :> | Jun 13 19:47 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] but leave it to america to corrupt it | Jun 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | not likely we'll ever see anything for it | Jun 13 19:47 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] why would you have freenode channels | Jun 13 19:47 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] also, two legs are more stable than one | Jun 13 19:47 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] it's easier for people to find us this way | Jun 13 19:48 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] One leg's in manure, but sure | Jun 13 19:48 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] and it's also more difficult to silence us | Jun 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | immibis why change the subject? | Jun 13 19:48 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: that's what the rubber boot is for | Jun 13 19:48 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Yea, that was my argument for the bridge to LC | Jun 13 19:48 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] nobody really wanted to manage the LC side | Jun 13 19:48 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] not even superkuh | Jun 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | they cannot | Jun 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | LC is already managed | Jun 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | by "signed by" folks | Jun 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | see shithub | Jun 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | petiion to FSF | Jun 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | blackmailing FSF to shun FSF founder | Jun 13 19:49 |
| *tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] looks at github.com/freenode | Jun 13 19:49 | |
| schestowitz | because of pure nonsense | Jun 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86 yes, the people who run LC | Jun 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | they put it there | Jun 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | and they host LC on Microsoft servers | Jun 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | not just their code | Jun 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | but the actual site | Jun 13 19:50 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] Oh, it's shut down | Jun 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | proprietary software | Jun 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | then we're lectured by them on RMS and FSF | Jun 13 19:50 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] are we saying server rental is antifree now | Jun 13 19:50 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: And then by someone called rasengan | Jun 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2015-12/msg00188.html | Jun 13 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | Re: Please, no GitHub | Jun 13 19:50 | |
| schestowitz | 2015 | Jun 13 19:50 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] > Co-authored-by: Andrew Lee <rasengan@Andrews-MacBook-Air.local> | Jun 13 19:50 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] That's not a "signed by"? | Jun 13 19:51 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] lol | Jun 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | can we go back on topic? | Jun 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | IRC wars are unproductive now | Jun 13 19:51 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: he probably meant https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ | Jun 13 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.io | Jun 13 19:51 | |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] We're travelling through circular logic | Jun 13 19:51 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: ah | Jun 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | we found something else to focus on, like Mozilla and then cars that spy on people | Jun 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | trolls like to change the subject to sex | Jun 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | and then moan about statements that aren't P-C re sex | Jun 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | in IRC it just leads to friction | Jun 13 19:52 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] On a good side I just noticed that freenode's GitHub page is archived | Jun 13 19:52 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] this could be a good thing or a bad thing | Jun 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86 for the record, it's a truly IMpractical piece of hardware that says little but "look at me, I AM RICH! CAN AFFORD" | Jun 13 19:52 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: In a FOSS community that's actually not a good look. | Jun 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86 he told me something about self-hosting, IIRC | Jun 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | git | Jun 13 19:53 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: which one? | Jun 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | git.freenode | Jun 13 19:53 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Car insurance is a scam like home insurance. | Jun 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | [02:39] <schestowitz> thanks, wish you'd have a self-hosted git repo tbh | Jun 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | [02:41] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github | Jun 13 19:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights | Jun 13 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | [02:44] <rasengan> ah true, i'll move everything to git.freenode.net soon xD | Jun 13 19:53 |
| tr-bridge | [XRevan86/tr] https://git.freenode.net/ indeed, that's good | Jun 13 19:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | Projects · Explore · GitLab | Jun 13 19:53 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Basically they take your money and if the slightest little thing happens, your new rate next renewal cycle is what you were paying plus three times what the claim cost them spread out over 3 years. | Jun 13 19:54 |
| schestowitz | we managed to convince many projects already | Jun 13 19:54 |
| schestowitz | rockylinus moved off github to self-hosted gitlab | Jun 13 19:54 |
| schestowitz | our campaign has been hugely successful | Jun 13 19:54 |
| schestowitz | and the message spreads fast | Jun 13 19:54 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Insurance is heads I win, tails you lose for the insurance people. | Jun 13 19:55 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] In theory, you can get uninsured motorist coverage in case someone else is driving illegally, but then you're at war with your own insurance company, who will try to pay nothing or as little as possible, and you'll have to find a lawyer to sue them with. | Jun 13 19:55 |
| techrights-bot | Seems like #freenode decided to #deletegithub (and never mind your opinion on FN, that's a positive) https://git.freenode.net/explore | Jun 13 19:55 |
| techrights-bot | How Free & Open Source Software Can Save Online Privacy • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152244 | Jun 13 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How Free & Open Source Software Can Save Online Privacy | Tux Machines | Jun 13 19:56 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] This isn't my first barbecue. | Jun 13 19:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: very unlikely I will own a car again | Jun 13 19:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] because friends of mine show me what's in their new 'cars' | Jun 13 19:56 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Health insurance is nastier yet. BTW, since Trump deleted the fine for not buying it, the insurance companies have come back to the table to throw in more sweeteners into the pot. | Jun 13 19:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and it's lots of computing I can't tell the agency to omit | Jun 13 19:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] also, insurance companies charge more | Jun 13 19:57 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] like energy providers here, if you don't have "smart" meter and use their "web site" | Jun 13 19:57 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Car insurance is not mandatory in like a state or two and, wouldn't you know it, those are the cheapest places to get it. | Jun 13 19:57 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Even though people can drive uninsured and the state won't penalize them for it, which would theoretically add more risk to the pool of drivers. Since you don't have to buy it, they have to lower prices to get you to say that's a good risk/benefit calculation. | Jun 13 19:58 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Imagine that. | Jun 13 19:58 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Risk: You give the insurance company money every month even if nothing happens. Benefit: If you hit someone, the insurance kicks in and you aren't facing a major lawsuit. | Jun 13 19:59 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Instead of the state making it a criminal misdemeanor and that's the only thing most people think about. | Jun 13 19:59 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] So prices go down because you're looking purely at what the insurance is actually worth, and the price going down means some people would buy it even if they would choose to break the law if it required it. | Jun 13 20:00 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] So some of the uninsured problem is self-canceling due to choice bringing down price. | Jun 13 20:00 |
| schestowitz | it's a big issue | Jun 13 20:01 |
| schestowitz | hardly anyone speaks about this | Jun 13 20:01 |
| schestowitz | BTW, out of curiosity, does anyone know if RMS ever drove a car? | Jun 13 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I guess that's similar to asking is he had a driver's licence | Jun 13 20:01 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It's a good idea to have a license even if you have no car. | Jun 13 20:02 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It means you could drive a car if you ever needed to, even if you normally don't. | Jun 13 20:02 |
| schestowitz | you can rent | Jun 13 20:03 |
| schestowitz | but it's tricky | Jun 13 20:03 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Yes. | Jun 13 20:03 |
| schestowitz | lots of paperwork and stuff | Jun 13 20:03 |
| schestowitz | so hardly worth the hassle | Jun 13 20:03 |
| schestowitz | better to hitch a taxi | Jun 13 20:03 |
| schestowitz | my licence is still valid | Jun 13 20:03 |
| schestowitz | renewed 2 years ago | Jun 13 20:03 |
| BaronVladimirHar | The only difference between state id and driver's license assuming you don't let the license lapse more than a year is that every 4 years you owe Illinois $10 more for the license. | Jun 13 20:04 |
| schestowitz | they don't expire just cause you don't drive much, you just need to ensure you extend/renew it | Jun 13 20:04 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Yes, once you have a license just don't allow it to lapse and it's not especially burdensome to maintain compared to an ID. | Jun 13 20:04 |
| schestowitz | i find many of today's cars not attractive enough, the new ones, because they automate too much (no manual) and they spy a lot | Jun 13 20:04 |
| schestowitz | it's like using 'chromebook | Jun 13 20:05 |
| schestowitz | instead of 'real' computers | Jun 13 20:05 |
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| BaronVladimirHar | I have an automatic transmission. It was before GM used those stupid Continuously Variable Transmission designs. | Jun 13 20:05 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i wish i had bought a car with an automatic transmission | Jun 13 20:05 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] it would probably make congestion a lot less annoying | Jun 13 20:06 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Where you have to chuck the entire thing every 50,000 miles or so because it blew up and mechanics can't fix it. The CVT ones are fucking terrible. | Jun 13 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | lowering 'barrier to entry' wrt to car presents new issues | Jun 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | like people ON the road, who probably should not be there | Jun 13 20:07 |
| MinceR | we've had that issue for ages | Jun 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | because they'd bang you inside your cars and stuff, or worse, as pedestrian | Jun 13 20:07 |
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| BaronVladimirHar | If you maintain a regular electro-hydrostatic transmission they normally last hundreds of thousands of miles. | Jun 13 20:07 |
| MinceR | it didn't really depend on automatizing things | Jun 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | did not help either | Jun 13 20:08 |
| BaronVladimirHar | If you change out the fluid every 60,000 miles or so, indefinite lifespan. At least as long as the engine in 90% of the cases. | Jun 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | my mom is a really awful driver | Jun 13 20:08 |
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| BaronVladimirHar | So it mine. | Jun 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | which makes sense, she doesn't ride bikes, doesn't play computer games etc. | Jun 13 20:08 |
| BaronVladimirHar | *is | Jun 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | coordination skills aren't something people are born with | Jun 13 20:08 |
| BaronVladimirHar | All these companies do CVT now because it gives them better CAFE fines. | Jun 13 20:08 |
| BaronVladimirHar | But it forces the car into astronomical repair costs soon after the warranty ends. | Jun 13 20:09 |
| schestowitz | cars suck now | Jun 13 20:09 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Toyota is the only company that makes a reliable CVT. | Jun 13 20:09 |
| schestowitz | we can agree on that | Jun 13 20:09 |
| MinceR | eCVT is nice | Jun 13 20:09 |
| schestowitz | never mind the tehc [sic] they strap onto them | Jun 13 20:09 |
| MinceR | but even more expensive | Jun 13 20:09 |
| schestowitz | like I need beeps to help me park | Jun 13 20:09 |
| BaronVladimirHar | It's worse. They gave me a loaner at the Kia dealer. | Jun 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | "shut the f up, I know I'm near to that car, I'm not blind" | Jun 13 20:10 |
| BaronVladimirHar | It almost lane assisted me into a car accident. | Jun 13 20:10 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Fighting me for the wheel while I was running out of ramp. | Jun 13 20:10 |
| MinceR | LKA can be turned off | Jun 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | all sorts of useful features | Jun 13 20:10 |
| MinceR | i turned it off | Jun 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | and selling points | Jun 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | tech with little or no practical value, maybe showoff | Jun 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | and it doesn't lower repair costs | Jun 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | it drives them way up, not even mechanical, so cannot fix it yourself | Jun 13 20:11 |
| BaronVladimirHar | I've been driving long enough to know how to merge onto a highway but the car didn't think I had enough room and almost drove me into a Ginsu guardrail. | Jun 13 20:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you paid for it | Jun 13 20:11 |
| schestowitz | patent licensing, too | Jun 13 20:11 |
| BaronVladimirHar | No more Ryan. Courtesy of Kia. | Jun 13 20:11 |
| MinceR | still got a pretty good deal | Jun 13 20:11 |
| schestowitz | electric windows are hard and expensive to repair | Jun 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | some people won't repair them | Jun 13 20:12 |
| MinceR | electric windows are also convenient | Jun 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | would rather just keep them permanently shut | Jun 13 20:12 |
| MinceR | and you can move all the windows | Jun 13 20:12 |
| MinceR | if you want a lot of fresh air, you can open all the windows without leaving the driver's seat | Jun 13 20:12 |
| BaronVladimirHar | You get this crap on new cars because some fucking retard out there opened their door and then threw the car into reverse while standing on the gas pedal to get his cheeseburger at McDonalds. Now we all have to suffer because of Big Daddy Government. | Jun 13 20:12 |
| MinceR | and you can close them all afterwards | Jun 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | that's the "killer feature" if you drive alone in a car heavier than you need | Jun 13 20:13 |
| MinceR | i kind of wished i had a moon roof too, when i drove in the forest, turned off the AC, opened all the windows and enjoyed the air | Jun 13 20:13 |
| MinceR | needs are not that easy to predict | Jun 13 20:13 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Back in the 1980s many cars never even had a shift actuator. | Jun 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | it messes up the cleanliness | Jun 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | and you can get poop on the seats from birds and stuff | Jun 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | in a forest you get cones | Jun 13 20:14 |
| BaronVladimirHar | Most people lived because they were far less stupid back then. | Jun 13 20:14 |
| MinceR | i would keep them closed in most cases, and i don't mind cones | Jun 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | the car becomes like garden furniture | Jun 13 20:14 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Who stands on the gas pedal, with the door open, and the car in reverse? | Jun 13 20:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 13 20:15 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It's not someone I want in my phone book. (Paraphrasing Bill Hicks.) | Jun 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jun 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | "Drop dead" hicks | Jun 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | he dropped dead, fast | Jun 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | too much smoking | Jun 13 20:15 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Yeah. It's something for everyone. | Jun 13 20:16 |
| techrights-bot | "After watching Raku, the Big by Bruce Gray I can only agree with the assessment of how difficult it is to teach Raku to a beginner." https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2021/06/13/teaching-on-a-waterbed/ #programming #perl #rakulang | Jun 13 20:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gfldex.wordpress.com | Teaching on a waterbed | Playing Perl 6␛b6xA Raku | Jun 13 20:16 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] For Garrett, it'll be Grindr. | Jun 13 20:16 |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152245 | Jun 13 20:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 13 20:16 | |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It almost led to the untimely demise of John a few times, like the time he met that Mexican guy who said let's go into that wooded area where nobody can see us messing around, just away from where anyone can see us from the L. | Jun 13 20:17 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Oh, and now I have a gun. Hoe hoe hoe! | Jun 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | "I don't see nuthin' wrong... with a lil' bump & grindr" | Jun 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | then it turned out he was like Epstein | Jun 13 20:17 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] ("Now I have a machine gun....ho ho ho...." -Hans Gruber, Die Hard) | Jun 13 20:17 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Get it? Die Hard. | Jun 13 20:17 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I'm on fire today. | Jun 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | won't be hard for long | Jun 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | the circulation starts with the heart | Jun 13 20:18 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | like that scene in Lolita where he shoots that old pervert | Jun 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | in his robe | Jun 13 20:19 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I liked that movie Hard Candy. | Jun 13 20:19 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Was that the name of it? | Jun 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | I think just "Lolita" | Jun 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | maybe we can find scenes | Jun 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | or maybe ask Bill Gates | Jun 13 20:20 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The only reason I get to see a lot of this stuff is because of torrents because they don't put it in the library, they don't put it in the theater, they don't put it on Netfucks. | Jun 13 20:20 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Where are you supposed to see it at? | Jun 13 20:20 |
| schestowitz | he might have some engineers with portable drives and the whole thing | Jun 13 20:20 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_(1997_film) | Jun 13 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Lolita (1997 film) - Wikipedia | Jun 13 20:20 | |
| schestowitz | it was a very successful film in its days | Jun 13 20:20 |
| schestowitz | I guess now there would be reasons not to even produce such a film | Jun 13 20:21 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] "You need to pay the artists." Okay, how? "Well, you give us 100% of the money and we give them 1% of what you paid us." Uhhhh. "And if you bittorrent, we'll sue." Okay....... "Also, it's not available on that streaming app. Buy another subscription." | Jun 13 20:21 |
| schestowitz | "The performances by Irons and Swain impressed audiences, but, although praised by some critics for its faithfulness to Nabokov's narrative, the film received a mixed critical reception in the United States. Lolita was met with much controversy in Australia, where it was not given a theatrical release until April 1999." | Jun 13 20:21 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] So this is a feed the sparrows through the horses deal, with the MAFIAA outfits like Disney and such. | Jun 13 20:22 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Then it turns into something shittier and more expensive than cable TV packages because there's 12 apps and they all cost $15 a month. | Jun 13 20:23 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Why is everything "feed the sparrows through the horses"? | Jun 13 20:23 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] From taxes to copyrights? | Jun 13 20:23 |
| techrights-bot | Ooooof. "Masters" in the title. #IBM should send out racist Watson to publish this site... https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/tag/linux-on-chromebooks/ | Jun 13 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aboutchromebooks.com | Linux on Chromebooks Archives - About Chromebooks | Jun 13 20:23 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Also, that's a bad analogy. Horses can be made to work. | Jun 13 20:23 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Bezos, Cook, and Gates don't work. | Jun 13 20:23 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Gates slipped out of the office when he was at MSFT each day and was banging all sorts of women as a side piece from his wife. | Jun 13 20:24 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Bezos pays no income taxes because he gets paid in stock. The reason he wants stock is because you don't pay taxes on stocks until you sell them, and you pay Capital Gains, which is half the rate of income when you sell them. | Jun 13 20:25 |
| techrights-bot | #Intel updates #Linux with support for Sapphire Rapids' in-package HBM2e memory | TechSpot ⚓ https://www.techspot.com/news/90043-intel-updates-linux-support-sapphire-rapids-package-hbm2e.html ䷉ #techspot | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest | Jun 13 20:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel updates Linux with support for Sapphire Rapids' in-package HBM2e memory | TechSpot | Jun 13 20:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 13 20:25 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] NPR left out the bit about Capital Gains being 15% instead of over 30%. | Jun 13 20:25 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] At the very worst, with Capital Gains, you pay a tax rate that's less than what my mom does as a nurse. | Jun 13 20:26 |
| schestowitz | NPR now tops up Gates bribery with Microsoft bribery | Jun 13 20:26 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Why wouldn't you want to be paid in stock? | Jun 13 20:26 |
| schestowitz | as recently disclosed... in an article... ABOUT Microsoft | Jun 13 20:26 |
| MinceR | a natural combination | Jun 13 20:26 |
| schestowitz | NPR: bribed-supported programme | Jun 13 20:26 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Also, if it goes down for whatever reason, you can declare a loss and carry it forward. | Jun 13 20:27 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] You can't do that with income. | Jun 13 20:27 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Trump paid no tax for 20 years because his casino in New Jersey went down so hard in 1995. | Jun 13 20:27 |
| schestowitz | *bribes-supported | Jun 13 20:27 |
| schestowitz | like his mate Shilton | Jun 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | but | Jun 13 20:28 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It would be nice if you could do it with income. | Jun 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | but he didn't go down hard | Jun 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | he went down soft | Jun 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | *Shleton | Jun 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | though the typo was funnier | Jun 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | he was a SHILLton for Orange Monster | Jun 13 20:28 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I got a $200,000 hospital bill. I make $30,000 a year. I won't be paying taxes for several years while I recover from this mess. Thanks! | Jun 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | you make income? | Jun 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz | you don't even work | Jun 13 20:29 |
| MinceR | "you guys are getting paid?" | Jun 13 20:29 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Things wipe out wage earners all the time and the only thing you can do is maybe declare it as a deduction for that tax year, but only to the extent that your tax doesn't go lower than zero for one year. | Jun 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz | https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt | Jun 13 20:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tradingeconomics.com | United States Government Debt | 1942-2021 Data | 2022-2023 Forecast | Historical | Jun 13 20:30 | |
| schestowitz | 2012: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 | Jun 13 20:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters | Jun 13 20:30 | |
| schestowitz | 2021 would maybe be that number, twice over! | Jun 13 20:30 |
| schestowitz | "who do we owe all that money to??????" | Jun 13 20:30 |
| schestowitz | "ask the man who owns the most farmland" | Jun 13 20:31 |
| schestowitz | https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ | Jun 13 20:31 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Like, if Mandy or I got a ridiculous medical bill that year, I'd declare that instead of our standard deduction. But it's unlikely, because his plan limits his out of pockets to like $6,830 and the standard deduction is $12,500 per taxpayer. | Jun 13 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation | Jun 13 20:31 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: did you see [14:32] <techrights-bot/fn> When you can tell news is slow: @michaelLarabal I'ma gonna write about ma table again ;-) https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=L-Shaped-Desk-Holding-Up ? | Jun 13 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Last Year's L-Shaped Desk Build Has Been Holding Up Well - Phoronix | Jun 13 20:32 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] desks are tech | Jun 13 20:32 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] tehc !! | Jun 13 20:32 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Trump lowered taxes on wage earners, but not by as much as it seemed. | Jun 13 20:32 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The personal exemption could still be declared even if you itemized. | Jun 13 20:33 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I don't know exactly how much more we'd end up paying the IRS using the pre-2017 tax code. Probably like $500-600 more over the course of a year. Which is not an amount of money I want to lose to the government. | Jun 13 20:34 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] But it benefited the rich a hell of a lot more, and the government did not slow down spending, so it comes back as inflation and regular peons lose anyway. Even more than the tax savings. | Jun 13 20:34 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Tax cuts appear to stimulate the economy more than they actually do. GDP goes up by a staggering amount, but it's in inflated dollars. | Jun 13 20:35 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Biden is reaping GDP numbers that are wholly a result of inflation from Trump's tax law, ridiculous and unsustainable deficit spending, and recovery to a level of activity that was normal anyway before the Coronavirus. | Jun 13 20:36 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] This is no miracle. | Jun 13 20:36 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] This is another raid on the Treasury, using the Cold Virus 2019 as pretext. | Jun 13 20:36 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] There's no evidence that the world got out of this Coronavirus pandemic any better off, relatively speaking, than it did when the Coronavirus that caused the Russian Flu of 1890 emerged. | Jun 13 20:37 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Despite the advances in technology. | Jun 13 20:37 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Then it fades into the background and becomes Common Cold cause number 1,001 and the government will take credit for it. | Jun 13 20:38 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Mayor Beetlejuice was declaring victory yesterday. The state's in ruins. Chicago is ruined. A million Americans are dead. | Jun 13 20:39 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Victory! | Jun 13 20:39 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Hey, Navy Pier is open. | Jun 13 20:39 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Beetlejuice and JaBba Pritzker need the taxes. How will there be any government workers if you don't spend until you die? | Jun 13 20:41 |
| techrights-bot | A Guide to Emulation with #RetroPie - Make Tech Easier ⚓ https://www.maketecheasier.com/retro-game-emulation-retropie/ ䷉ #maketecheasier | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest | Jun 13 20:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | A Guide to Emulation with RetroPie - Make Tech Easier | Jun 13 20:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 13 20:42 | |
| techrights-bot | "Bill quits Manjaro and comments on documentation. We get more feedback on the #Pinebook Pro, questions about browsers, and an additional alternative to LastPass." https://goinglinux.com/shownotes.html#glp409 #gnu #linux | Jun 13 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-goinglinux.com | Going Linux · Shownotes | Jun 13 20:43 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] schestowitz, State/City costs you 20% in taxes if you buy something off of Steam. | Jun 13 20:44 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Not sure about Gog. | Jun 13 20:44 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] What did Illinois or Chicago do to make my video game download more valuable? | Jun 13 20:44 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] You can tell them you live in Indiana though. They don't check. | Jun 13 20:44 |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-5-21-23.jpg | Jun 13 20:45 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Taxation is theft, so avoiding taxes is no more immoral than seeing some guy that's shifty and probably has a gun coming down the block and changing course to avoid him. | Jun 13 20:45 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR probably agrees. :) | Jun 13 20:45 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] usually yes, but if different people get different chances at avoiding theft, that can be unfair | Jun 13 20:46 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Jeff Bezos doesn't pay anything, and spends his savings going into spaaaaaaace. | Jun 13 20:46 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] So I'm supposed to feel bad about telling Steam I'm in Indiana? | Jun 13 20:46 |
| *tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] changes VPN to Indianapolis. | Jun 13 20:47 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] "Indiana" (quotation fingers) | Jun 13 20:47 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] probably not | Jun 13 20:47 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] If I have a tax savings, I'll spend it on food, which Illinois taxes, or medicine, which they tax, or rent, which they tax. | Jun 13 20:48 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] So they'll get it anyway. | Jun 13 20:48 |
| techrights-bot | "If you are a #GNU #Linux user you definitely need to try YOGA. It is free and open source image optimizer, which is a great choice for any site owner that cares about image optimization and performance. The image compression is very effective and optimized images being a lot smaller in size." https://linuxiac.com/yoga-image-optimizer/ | Jun 13 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | Image Optimizer for Free: Meet YOGA and Learn How to Use it | Jun 13 20:48 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Rick Green (The New Red Green Show) was telling Harold that by avoiding tax, he'd spend it and they'd tax everyone along the way and get it all anyway. | Jun 13 20:48 |
| techrights-bot | #Games : Quake, Smach Z, and DLSS • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152246 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Quake, Smach Z, and DLSS | Tux Machines | Jun 13 20:48 | |
| techrights-bot | Audiocasts/Shows: Going Linux, Ubuntu Unity 21.04, and This Week in Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152247 | Jun 13 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Going Linux, Ubuntu Unity 21.04, and This Week in Linux | Tux Machines | Jun 13 20:49 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, The Impala is turning into the "Possum Van" anyway. | Jun 13 20:49 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy! | Jun 13 20:49 |
| techrights-bot | Kernel Stuf and Intel’s Latest Linux Changes • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152248 | Jun 13 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel Stuf and Intel's Latest Linux Changes | Tux Machines | Jun 13 20:49 | |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] DaemonFC: how many possums live in it? | Jun 13 20:50 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I might do one of those duct tape repairs on my leather seats if they get any worse. | Jun 13 20:50 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Running the Impala makes sense because I have a repair budget this way vs running something newer that doesn't break down a lot. | Jun 13 20:51 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] People don't appreciate a beater car. | Jun 13 20:51 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The Impala doesn't generally "just break down". It's a bunch of parts that just wear down and start making a disconcerting "If you don't fix me, I will snap." noise. | Jun 13 20:52 |
| techrights-bot | #9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: June 13th, 2021 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152249 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 20:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: June 13th, 2021 | Tux Machines | Jun 13 20:57 | |
| techrights-bot | In the Second Year of #KWinFT • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152250 | Jun 13 20:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In the Second Year of KWinFT | Tux Machines | Jun 13 20:58 | |
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| techrights-bot | #Security Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152251 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 13 21:05 | |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I've taken to just making my own spaghetti sauce and ketchup. | Jun 13 21:08 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The store bought stuff is sky high in sodium and I can avoid like 80% of that if I make my own. | Jun 13 21:08 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It's ridiculous just how bad shopping for food is for you. Like 90% of the stuff at the supermarket is stuff that your doctor will wag the finger over. | Jun 13 21:09 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It's getting to the point where the only thing left to eat will be Bill's Burgers and a side salad. | Jun 13 21:09 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] schestowitz, The government itself now says that inflation's the worst it has been since 1992. | Jun 13 21:16 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] If that's what they'll admit to, then ruh roh. | Jun 13 21:17 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Inflation is boiling over, they admit it's boiling over, then in the same breath they say it isn't a problem. | Jun 13 21:17 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] they'll just print more money :> | Jun 13 21:18 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Which is what started the problem to begin with. | Jun 13 21:18 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The fire department has come out and is spraying the 5 alarm fire with fresh gasoline. | Jun 13 21:19 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] it's not a problem for them :> | Jun 13 21:19 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] No, this is stagflation being presented as an economic miracle. | Jun 13 21:20 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] They couldn't pass it by people in the 70s because they were too smart for it back then. | Jun 13 21:20 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] fucking up and presenting it as a miracle is so 21st century | Jun 13 21:20 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▃▄▅▃▆▅▄▅▅▅▄▃▃▃▆▆▆▇▅▃▇▁▂▆▅▇▅▅▆▃▅▁ avg(k/sec) 24.91 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 6.00▕ swarm size (avg): 244.54 ⟲ | Jun 13 21:21 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] like uefi and systemd | Jun 13 21:21 |
| techrights-bot | Links 13/6/2021: Linux 5.14 Work, Lots of Patent News • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/lots-of-patent-news/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/13/lots-of-patent-news/ | Jun 13 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/6/2021: Linux 5.14 Work, Lots of Patent News | Techrights | Jun 13 21:24 | |
| techrights-bot | #Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152252 | Jun 13 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 13 21:25 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152253 | Jun 13 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's hardware leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 13 21:25 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152254 | Jun 13 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 13 21:26 | |
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| techrights-bot | KDE Framework 5.84 - Expandable Tooltips • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152255 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 13 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Framework 5.84 - Expandable Tooltips | Tux Machines | Jun 13 21:35 | |
| AdmFubar | hi roy | Jun 13 21:37 |
| techrights-bot | #geminiProtocol helps reduce linking clutter. Text first, references at the end (or every now and then) https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006684.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006687.html | Jun 13 21:37 |
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| techrights-bot | Today we improved this #techrights page in the Gemini capsule gemini://gemini.techrights.org/about/ about 8,000 page requests today (gemini:// alone) | Jun 13 21:39 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Howdy room. | Jun 13 21:39 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I noticed my home based cable internet provider is big on blocking self hosting websites. | Jun 13 21:40 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] IPFS sneaks through since it isn't using a port per se. | Jun 13 21:40 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] howdy | Jun 13 21:40 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] try gemini also | Jun 13 21:40 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it's light | Jun 13 21:40 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Have you guys found a way to host gemini with annoying home providers? | Jun 13 21:40 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] that block hosting? | Jun 13 21:41 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] about 1 megabyes per 100 page requests | Jun 13 21:41 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] home hosting is hard because of upstream speeds | Jun 13 21:41 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] they cripple that | Jun 13 21:41 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] superficially most of the time | Jun 13 21:41 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] maybe we have a gemini/ipfs combo deal going already :> | Jun 13 21:41 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it also helps stifle high throughput p2p | Jun 13 21:41 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yep. | Jun 13 21:41 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] except Windows Update ^_^ | Jun 13 21:41 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] the "approved" botnet | Jun 13 21:41 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I thought I saw some gateways between the two but didn't see any clear guides on setting up your own. | Jun 13 21:42 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] you can combine them | Jun 13 21:42 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] chaining them | Jun 13 21:42 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] This new cable router I think is blocking at the Layer two level. | Jun 13 21:42 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] we did that to a degree | Jun 13 21:42 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it might help if you want to host videos | Jun 13 21:42 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] over gemini | Jun 13 21:42 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I am thinking a pretty simple text site. | Jun 13 21:42 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] gemini is terrible is doing large files, not even crc's | Jun 13 21:42 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] but I am uncertain how to link my domain with ddns such that my home IP doesn't bitch about me hosting something. | Jun 13 21:43 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I was just doing some maintenance work on gemini://gemini.techrights.org/ | Jun 13 21:43 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] other than say a VPN. | Jun 13 21:43 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I was looking over that site. | Jun 13 21:43 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I like the direction it is taking. | Jun 13 21:43 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] iirc, ddns will give you a subdomain | Jun 13 21:43 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and let you manage the ip for it | Jun 13 21:44 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yes, it does, but then the cable modem blocks the IP requests. | Jun 13 21:44 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] if you set up a decent capsule you can get your own domain and managed it for dns cheaply | Jun 13 21:44 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] *manage | Jun 13 21:44 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] depends on port | Jun 13 21:44 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] open up port 1965 | Jun 13 21:44 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] all right I'll give that a try. | Jun 13 21:44 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I thought about that...but figured they were looking for traffic to ports in general. | Jun 13 21:45 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] you can also host gemini on a third party, but if you are sort of technical I'd not recommend that | Jun 13 21:45 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I'd prefer to host my own. | Jun 13 21:45 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it can travel with you | Jun 13 21:45 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] exactly! | Jun 13 21:45 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] which is cool. | Jun 13 21:45 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] my personal site turns 20 soon | Jun 13 21:46 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] email also | Jun 13 21:46 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] back in the golden days of 2001 eh? | Jun 13 21:46 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I used to have an angelfire site back in the day. | Jun 13 21:46 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] that was kinda fun. | Jun 13 21:46 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] coming soon: windows media player DRM | Jun 13 21:46 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I don't use windows for anything. | Jun 13 21:46 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I was on geocities in the 90s | Jun 13 21:46 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yep, I remember that era as well. | Jun 13 21:46 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] but it was a pretty worthless site, not much of value was lost | Jun 13 21:46 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] A lot of it was favorite bands. | Jun 13 21:47 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] I still have a backup of it on some hard drive | Jun 13 21:47 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] but I think it encouraged people to make things. | Jun 13 21:47 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] which in and of itself is better than them not making anything. | Jun 13 21:47 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] gemini brings back the fun | Jun 13 21:47 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] That's what I'm looking to do. | Jun 13 21:47 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I started using asciidoc for a website the other day... | Jun 13 21:47 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] no more frequent patching and issues or botnets or fussy webhosts | Jun 13 21:47 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] and kept it fairly simple and enjoyed making it. | Jun 13 21:47 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] hosting images from home is OK until you get the "X effect" e.g. Slashdot (before it sucked) | Jun 13 21:48 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] lol. Yep. | Jun 13 21:48 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and that's when you REALLY need to it to be robust as you get noticed | Jun 13 21:48 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I get censored at slashdot pretty often. | Jun 13 21:48 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] slash-slash | Jun 13 21:48 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] crossed out | Jun 13 21:48 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yep. | Jun 13 21:49 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Slashdot | Jun 13 21:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slashdot - Techrights | Jun 13 21:49 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it became a shill for bill about 12 years ago | Jun 13 21:49 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] they even removed their epic Gates in cyborg mode icon | Jun 13 21:49 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I noticed about the time it changed its graphical format to what it is now moreso. | Jun 13 21:49 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] too "anti" | Jun 13 21:49 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] we can't be anti criminals anymore | Jun 13 21:49 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it's "not professional" | Jun 13 21:49 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] it hit too close to home | Jun 13 21:49 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Yeah. Or anti big money. | Jun 13 21:50 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] billy was offended | Jun 13 21:50 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Malda is just playing games now... up to no good with Kathleen | Jun 13 21:50 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Did you guys see that story on vaccine stuff that Linus posted about? | Jun 13 21:50 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] yeah, it distracts | Jun 13 21:50 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] the real scandal is LF | Jun 13 21:50 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ | Jun 13 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights | Jun 13 21:50 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] almost same week | Jun 13 21:50 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Yep. | Jun 13 21:50 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i saw it | Jun 13 21:50 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] some idiots of Microsoft conflated the two 'stories' | Jun 13 21:51 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] So if you follow the breadcrumbs in the early 00's gates was all about Diamond's "gun's germs and steel". | Jun 13 21:51 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] which was about the rise and fall of civilizations where plagues and wars were concerned. | Jun 13 21:51 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Mixing two totally different things (vaccination and tracking): https://betanews.com/2021/06/11/linux-foundation-public-health-prepares-global-covid-19-passport-as-linus-torvalds-encourages-vaccine-uptake/ | Jun 13 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Linux Foundation Public Health prepares global COVID-19 passport as Linus Torvalds encourages vaccine uptake | Jun 13 21:51 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Microsoft shill site | Jun 13 21:51 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] with Microsoft MVPs and all.. | Jun 13 21:51 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] More if not all coverage in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152173#comment-29937 | Jun 13 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Becomes COVID-19 Battlezone | Tux Machines | Jun 13 21:52 | |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] These tech folks are all about the vaccine. | Jun 13 21:52 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and also http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152072#comment-29934 | Jun 13 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation and Kernel Latest | Tux Machines | Jun 13 21:52 | |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] follow the money. | Jun 13 21:52 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] makes it easy. | Jun 13 21:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] "tech folks" | Jun 13 21:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] corporations | Jun 13 21:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] tech folks code | Jun 13 21:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] we work from home | Jun 13 21:53 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Well, right. | Jun 13 21:53 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] home is different than corporate. | Jun 13 21:53 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] /home is systemd soon | Jun 13 21:54 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] systemd-homed | Jun 13 21:54 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] not my /home | Jun 13 21:54 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] So do you have say a torrent version of your site on wayback or some such? | Jun 13 21:54 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] MinceR: oh, just you wait | Jun 13 21:54 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] we have wayback yet | Jun 13 21:54 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] *yes | Jun 13 21:54 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] but not for everything | Jun 13 21:54 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I'm an arch guy. | Jun 13 21:54 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] then you're definitely getting systemd-homed :> | Jun 13 21:55 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I wonder if there is a way to combine something like a torrent website with some updated rss? | Jun 13 21:55 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Techrights%22 | Jun 13 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Internet Archive Search: subject:"Techrights" | Jun 13 21:55 | |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Yeah, well, I may not be on arch later on down the road. | Jun 13 21:56 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I'm thinking about switching to openbsd. | Jun 13 21:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Turns out we got mentioned in https://archive.org/details/this-week-in-linux-episode-41 | Jun 13 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | This Week in Linux 41 | Ubuntu 18.10 & Flavours, Ubuntu Studio Interview, elementary, PeerTube 1.0 : TuxDigital : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive | Jun 13 21:56 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] never heard that before... | Jun 13 21:56 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i'm switching to openbsd | Jun 13 21:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] guest345r3534: you can host things on openbsd | Jun 13 21:56 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] nice. | Jun 13 21:56 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] not sure about how many gemini servers are compiled for it | Jun 13 21:56 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Internet archive. | Jun 13 21:57 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I'm not sure what their alliances are. | Jun 13 21:57 |
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| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Half the time I think they are pro free information and the other half I'm not so sure. | Jun 13 21:57 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] they are | Jun 13 21:58 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] but they are also under pressure | Jun 13 21:58 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] they're worth supporting | Jun 13 21:58 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] nice. | Jun 13 21:58 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I do what I can although my own business got de-platformed awhile back. | Jun 13 21:58 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/01/02/support-the-internet-archive/ | Jun 13 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Support the Internet Archive | Techrights | Jun 13 21:58 | |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] cost me my home as well. | Jun 13 21:59 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] hard to fight when you are attempting to survive on the move. | Jun 13 21:59 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] yup | Jun 13 21:59 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] well, live and learn(tm) they say.. | Jun 13 22:00 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] heh. I'm more of a live and survive and burn down the thing that caused the problem kind of guy. | Jun 13 22:00 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] bbaib, need a cuppa | Jun 13 22:00 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Otherwise it simply repeats. | Jun 13 22:00 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] so censorship and social media was caught up in a smear campaign composed of lies. | Jun 13 22:01 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] which basically incited a mob mentality/riot against my business. | Jun 13 22:01 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Most of them were extreme left politically oriented people. | Jun 13 22:01 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] not the save the earth kind but the get rid of everyone who doesn't fit our idea of perfection kind. | Jun 13 22:02 |
| AdmFubar | brb.... | Jun 13 22:03 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] "we can't be anti criminals anymore" | Jun 13 22:03 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] If you think someone should be in jail because they set your car on fire, that's racist. -mjg | Jun 13 22:04 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] errr - mjg59 | Jun 13 22:04 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I am sure if someone sets my car on fire they won't mind if I take the same liberty with theirs. | Jun 13 22:04 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] right? ;) | Jun 13 22:04 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] If you think someone should be punished for throwing bricks through the window and looting a local business that is owned by immigrants, that's also racist. | Jun 13 22:05 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] no, that is a generalisation | Jun 13 22:05 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The looters are just getting their "reparations". | Jun 13 22:05 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and extrapolation | Jun 13 22:05 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] those looters are a minitor | Jun 13 22:05 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] minority | Jun 13 22:05 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] heh. Yeah. Minority rage. | Jun 13 22:05 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] among a certain minority | Jun 13 22:06 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Minority Report. | Jun 13 22:06 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] (Chicago Predictive Policing.....get it? Hahaha. I crack myself up.) | Jun 13 22:06 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it's also wrong to insinuate every Arab is a terrorist | Jun 13 22:06 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] You might commit a crime in the future 1984 style. | Jun 13 22:06 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, ^ | Jun 13 22:06 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I take things on a case by case basis myself. | Jun 13 22:06 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] but I never underestimate the power of dumb hurds. | Jun 13 22:07 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] herds. | Jun 13 22:07 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] GNU HURD | Jun 13 22:07 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] ya herd? | Jun 13 22:07 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yeah, that slipped in there. | Jun 13 22:07 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it can be a herd of hurds | Jun 13 22:07 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] You might get shot! Our AI is making sure this is a likely future. Those assholes over here see the police talking to you a lot because of the software. The number of alternative futures in the multiverse go down. | Jun 13 22:07 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Which is no hurd at all. | Jun 13 22:07 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] WHOA. Mind blown. | Jun 13 22:07 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurd_(disambiguation) | Jun 13 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hurd (disambiguation) - Wikipedia | Jun 13 22:08 | |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] :> | Jun 13 22:08 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I think perhaps the internet being created in light of nuclear war tips the communication scale unfavorably. | Jun 13 22:08 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The software could be useful. | Jun 13 22:08 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] there is no more software | Jun 13 22:08 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Anyone the police want shot, they can just say the software told them to talk to that person a lot until the gangs think they're a snitch and take care of it for them. | Jun 13 22:08 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] we now have "Smart" and "apps" | Jun 13 22:09 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] They do "hey hi" | Jun 13 22:09 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Augmented reality is another fun thing. | Jun 13 22:09 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] chrome with remote updates | Jun 13 22:09 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] the algorithm made me do it. | Jun 13 22:09 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] what it does today it won't do tomorrow | Jun 13 22:09 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I was reading a blog by a former cop about this guy in Kentucky who has been arrested thousands of times and gets days in jail each time. | Jun 13 22:09 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] (or vice versa) | Jun 13 22:09 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] He was wondering how much these bums cost society. | Jun 13 22:10 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Kentucky is where my ordeal happened. | Jun 13 22:10 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Well, what if..... | Jun 13 22:10 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] it is especially corrupt police-wise. | Jun 13 22:10 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Instead of paying for them, you just have the cops show up and talk to them for a moment and then leave now and then. | Jun 13 22:10 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Let the criminals shoot them and then no more disorderly conducts from that guy. | Jun 13 22:10 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] If it is in KY, he's probably part of the force. | Jun 13 22:10 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] He was talking about how police in California used to do it. | Jun 13 22:11 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] ROund up the bums and stick them on a freight train that was leaving the state. | Jun 13 22:11 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Yeah, there is a pretty strong CA to KY linkage. | Jun 13 22:11 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] They usually go thousands of miles between stops | Jun 13 22:11 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] As soon as the bums get off the train they'll never be able to make it back to California. | Jun 13 22:11 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] btw, if you don't mind me interjecting | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Problem solved. | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it's not a wing issue | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] censorship is a class issue | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and people on both so-called 'sides' get gagged | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I agree. | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] you have your little fun | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] until you piss of the wrong people | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] with power, money, connection | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I would say it is more a deep state issue. | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] mjg59 is high on his own supply, like most people who live in California. | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] then there are many ways they can bankrupt and/or silence you | Jun 13 22:12 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yep. That's what I went through. | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] In 1999, the state went to court over a law that made it illegal to bring a bum into the state. | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] but there are ways to use tech that's more robust to ti | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I agree with that as well. I think the DNS is a weak point. | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: "no state" and "anarchy state" are the same thing | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] they used to talk about flat models once in awhile. | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] ipfs bypasses dns | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] and anarchy has turned out to be worse than most other systems, even some dictatorships | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] gemini does not | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yep, it does. | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] which is why I think gemini has a problem there. | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] we have IPNS in IPFS | Jun 13 22:13 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I about died laughing when South Park portrayed homeless people as zombies bumming for change. | Jun 13 22:14 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: when and where was it implemented, and how did it fail? | Jun 13 22:14 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] anarchy has no end. | Jun 13 22:14 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] due to cert/tls reqs gemini also makes it hard to run without dns | Jun 13 22:14 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Cartman lures them all into California with a bus playing "Californa! Super cool to the homeless! California! Super cool to the homeless!". | Jun 13 22:14 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] right, which is troubling-- | Jun 13 22:14 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] schestowitz: i heard gemini is using TOFU instead of PKI | Jun 13 22:14 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: how do you like somalia, syria, etc? | Jun 13 22:15 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] want to live there? | Jun 13 22:15 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] since DNS is the big achille's heal. | Jun 13 22:15 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: afaik that's not what happened in either of those places | Jun 13 22:15 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] immibis: they have a state | Jun 13 22:15 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] too much of it | Jun 13 22:15 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Assad was like monarchy | Jun 13 22:15 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] since his dad | Jun 13 22:15 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: afaik both of those places were (are?) ruled by religious zealots | Jun 13 22:15 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Cloudflare snagged some pretty sweet DOD contracts. | Jun 13 22:15 |
| kingoffrance | "i am the state" " i am the revolution"" we are the state" anarchy and states are relative | Jun 13 22:15 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] so the analogy is deeply flawed | Jun 13 22:15 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The more shit mjg59 has to step in on his way from his $5,000 a month studio to his $20 coffees, the better. | Jun 13 22:16 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] well that's what happens when you have anarchy. nature abhors a vacuum. someone will fill that role. | Jun 13 22:16 |
| kingoffrance | have to say : what type of "state" you mean first | Jun 13 22:16 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] They voted for this. They ought to suffer with it. | Jun 13 22:16 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] like claiming county X failed because of "regime type" rather than US/NATO sanctions | Jun 13 22:16 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] and it's most likely someone you'd rather wouldn't fill that role | Jun 13 22:16 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I think Regular Show dealt with anarchy well. | Jun 13 22:16 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: that's what happens in autocracy and democracy | Jun 13 22:16 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] eventually if there are no rules, then is there a rule against having...rules? | Jun 13 22:16 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] in anarchy what stops me from declaring that I am the king and convincing all the people that I am the king? | Jun 13 22:16 |
| kingoffrance | nothing, thats why corporations love anarchy | Jun 13 22:16 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] immibis: no syria was there when the french/british divided the land | Jun 13 22:16 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] you might say people won't allow themselves to be convinced of that. but where do you suppose the first kings came from? clearly it's happened in the past | Jun 13 22:16 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] after Ottoman empire i think | Jun 13 22:17 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] immibis, The fact that if they start believing you, the ATF will firebomb your compound including the women and children. | Jun 13 22:17 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: the idea is to dispel the idea that people have the right to rule over other people | Jun 13 22:17 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Well, I think people all have different talents. | Jun 13 22:17 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: at some point in the past, they didn't, and then at some point after that, they did. Clearly it is possible to get from A to B, and some bad actor will make it happen | Jun 13 22:17 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] not everyone is going to be equally good at doing the things that need doing. | Jun 13 22:17 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: MOVE? | Jun 13 22:17 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] ? | Jun 13 22:17 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] you mentioned "firebomb your compound including the women and children." | Jun 13 22:18 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] many never forgot | Jun 13 22:18 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] when the police becomes just an army | Jun 13 22:18 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] If you don't want to die, just don't speak against the Clintons. | Jun 13 22:18 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: then clearly some bad actors need to be stopped from making it happen with violence | Jun 13 22:18 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and the uniform/badge falls off | Jun 13 22:18 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] That was the whole point of the government murdering all of those people. Shock and motherfucking awe. | Jun 13 22:18 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: for example, a group of people may decide to group together for better coordination and will elect one person to lead the group | Jun 13 22:18 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing | Jun 13 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 1985 MOVE bombing - Wikipedia | Jun 13 22:18 | |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: and eventually they might decide to disobey that one person | Jun 13 22:18 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, That SG-1 episode with the Goa'uld Seth was obviously based on the Branch Davidians. | Jun 13 22:19 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: it doesn't have to be involuntary | Jun 13 22:19 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: indeed, but if the person is a good leader, they will not | Jun 13 22:19 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] good for them | Jun 13 22:19 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: and then the group ends up being more efficient and has better guns so they invade their neighbours | Jun 13 22:19 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i haven't seen nor heard about good leaders in a long time | Jun 13 22:19 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Mince, again, don't piss off the Clintons. | Jun 13 22:19 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] (and there is nobody to stop them besides the neighbours because it's anarchy) | Jun 13 22:19 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] guest345r3534: is immibis a clinton? | Jun 13 22:19 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] klingon | Jun 13 22:19 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] mincer, you never know! | Jun 13 22:19 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] guest345r3534: is MinceR a natural order denialist? | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] that's the thing about the clintons. | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: people can still have morals | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: only takes one without | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] not really | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] or a few | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The government killed one of the Bundys for occupying a ranger station at a wildlife reserve. | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] people can gang up to protect the rights of others | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: is oppression the "natural order"? | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] and people can also gang up to violate the rights of others | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I think Kant pretty much covered that and before him the whole Do unto others. | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] the natural order is might makes right. The only way we've managed to build a civilization is by grouping the majority of people on the "moral" side of that equation so that side has more might | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] and people can stop pretending that violating the rights of others is justified | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The whole protest involved them refusing to pay a fee for having their cattle eating grass out in the middle of nowhere that nobody cared about except the Bureau of Land Management. | Jun 13 22:20 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: we have failed to build a civilization | Jun 13 22:21 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] BLM | Jun 13 22:21 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] before it was another BLM | Jun 13 22:21 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I think we built a civilization...it is just falling apart. | Jun 13 22:21 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and then the gov. used MOAR force | Jun 13 22:21 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Rome did it before us. | Jun 13 22:21 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] if you abolish civilization, you will have roughly equal amounts of might on all sides; whoever randomly ends up with an advantage will snowball it | Jun 13 22:21 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] and so on. | Jun 13 22:21 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: when the idea is that "we need to pick someone to oppress us so that other people don't get to oppress us", that's not civilization | Jun 13 22:21 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] immibis, but that's pretty much history. | Jun 13 22:21 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] present, too | Jun 13 22:22 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] yep. | Jun 13 22:22 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] guest345r3534: let me guess, the decline of rome was somehow caused by homosexuality? | Jun 13 22:22 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] immibis, I doubt that helped. | Jun 13 22:22 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Libertarians are generally portrayed as crazy right wing extremists for wanting to bring an end to the hell of the two party system and the Welfare-Warfare State's perversions and horrible effect on the living standard of the public. | Jun 13 22:22 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] well that's unusual. usually people try to link it to homosexuality | Jun 13 22:22 |
| kingoffrance | for america there was no separate "state" entity, in theory. "by of for the people" as soon as ppl start talking about some other "state" the animals have left the farm and the door is wide open | Jun 13 22:22 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I think that was a contributing factor. | Jun 13 22:22 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: no, libertarians are crazy extremists because they're crazy extremists. The total lack of a state is just as bad as an overbearing state | Jun 13 22:22 |
| kingoffrance | the "non-people" "state" was a different kind of state that america supposedly rejected | Jun 13 22:22 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Maybe folks wouldn't need welfare as much if the state wasn't running off with 40% of their money. | Jun 13 22:23 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] kingoffrance: a "state" is just an abstraction "we the people" made up to organize collective activity | Jun 13 22:23 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I think the state has to first enforce the rights it declares itself responsible for enforcing. | Jun 13 22:23 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] If you're extremely lucky, you only work for free from January to May to feed into this crap. | Jun 13 22:23 |
| kingoffrance | immibis/tr: sure, but anarchy is just a different set of "we the people" | Jun 13 22:23 |
| kingoffrance | a non-state is a non-sequitor if state is just "the people" | Jun 13 22:24 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: not all states do even pretend that they're democratic | Jun 13 22:24 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Then the state passes welfare programs you don't even qualify for, usually to compel people to pop out units who live in extreme poverty and violence despite the welfare, and keep the cycle going. | Jun 13 22:24 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] government is just a better arms clique | Jun 13 22:24 |
| kingoffrance | i think you hinted at that with differerent factions etc. | Jun 13 22:24 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] with tribes or groups like parties | Jun 13 22:24 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: i think most people can agree that tax money shouldn't be spent on a lot of the stuff the US government is currently spending it on. They just don't think that means it's okay to abolish all taxes forever | Jun 13 22:24 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Well, most of the conversation and resulting violence happens once free speech is dead in the water. | Jun 13 22:24 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] "stop spending taxes on stupid crap" is a sensible position. "abolish all taxes forever" is an extremist position | Jun 13 22:24 |
| kingoffrance | maybe, like religion, there are organized and unorganized states | Jun 13 22:24 |
| kingoffrance | :) | Jun 13 22:24 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] pretty soon, people start figuring out ways to start messing up other people. | Jun 13 22:24 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Libertarians have generally settled on something like a 10% flat tax. | Jun 13 22:24 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] taxes on a man-made concept | Jun 13 22:24 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] for bartering | Jun 13 22:24 |
| kingoffrance | i would even say states are "exactly like religion" | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] guest345r3534: you mean like by spreading disinformation on social media? | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] everything i don't agree with is extremism | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] US taxes were made in response to the civil war. | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The state of Illinois already takes 10% of the money you spend as sales tax. | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] let's see if that changed anything | Jun 13 22:25 |
| kingoffrance | lol MinceR | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] nope! | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] imminibis, yep. | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] After the state income tax, and the state's transit taxes. | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] And that's after the 4 federal income taxes. | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Maybe the estate tax too, but unlikely for most. | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] money don't mean a thang [sic] | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: how do they know 10% is the optimal level, and how do they know a flat tax is the optimal kind of tax? | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] when it's man -made | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] And that's after the federal excise and tariffs. | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and there's concept like inflation | Jun 13 22:25 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I think if the people making the laws for taxes are subject to taxes and have to pay them, they become more reasonable. | Jun 13 22:26 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] A corollary to that is if someone points a gun at you and you point one back, your negotiation position is strengthened. | Jun 13 22:26 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] For about half of the history of the US, there was no income tax, or there was one but you had to be incredibly wealthy in order to be compelled to pay it. | Jun 13 22:26 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] money is a representation of *negative* work. You receive money by receiving negative work i.e. by giving work away. you can also consider taxes on the work that is being performed: XX% of whatever you do goes to keeping society running and the rest is yours to do whatever with | Jun 13 22:26 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Now they hit everyone with it, even people who push carts at Walmart. | Jun 13 22:26 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] actually, when you put it that way, 10% seems like a quite cheap price to keep society running | Jun 13 22:27 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Americans on the GOP or libertarian side like to complain about taxes, except for the rich, and not about things like medical bills | Jun 13 22:27 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] this society isn't worth keeping running | Jun 13 22:27 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The people who need the money the most are hit up for it to keep this mess going. | Jun 13 22:27 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] 10 percent keeps churches running. | Jun 13 22:27 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] we have a society that puts the worst people into positions of power over the rest of us | Jun 13 22:27 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] in reality it won't be 10% because you also need to pay your landlord for example. that is essentially a tax | Jun 13 22:27 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i'd rather not spend anything on that scam | Jun 13 22:27 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] immibis, yes, that's true. | Jun 13 22:27 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] and you need to buy food, to keep society running | Jun 13 22:27 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] you need to produce it | Jun 13 22:27 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] with water, sun, work | Jun 13 22:28 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The government is pretty much just an engine for loss. | Jun 13 22:28 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] society will collapse if people don't buy food or pay their landlords, just because they aren't included in the tax doesn't mean they're not the same class of activity | Jun 13 22:28 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] And it's a real gas guzzler at that. | Jun 13 22:28 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Just play the Oregon Trail (tm) | Jun 13 22:28 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] how you distribute it might not require buying and selling | Jun 13 22:28 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] you can have the state provided the basics | Jun 13 22:28 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] nobody is arguing food doesn't need to be produced | Jun 13 22:28 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] not even the scary socialist boogeymen | Jun 13 22:28 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: the current government | Jun 13 22:28 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Or everyone could have their own hydroponic space gardens. | Jun 13 22:28 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] 70's sci fi was fond of that solution. | Jun 13 22:29 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: some people look at that government and they go "wow, all government is bad, let's have no government ever again". Other people look at that government and they go "wow, this government is bad, let's replace it with one that's not" | Jun 13 22:29 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] their own | Jun 13 22:29 |
| isamiamsam | society won't collapse if landlords are cut out, this has been done before in history | Jun 13 22:29 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] or own vision of it | Jun 13 22:29 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Illinois doesn't even do the bare minimum a government should do. | Jun 13 22:29 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] it doesn't always work out at the end | Jun 13 22:29 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] how many governments do you need to see in order to notice the pattern? | Jun 13 22:29 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] People perish for lack of vision they say. | Jun 13 22:29 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: the remainder of the developed world is not as bad as america | Jun 13 22:29 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] it is still horrible | Jun 13 22:30 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Execute the perverts and murderers. 1. We have no death sentence, and 2. They're usually out on parole in 10 or 20 years and at it again. | Jun 13 22:30 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] is it? | Jun 13 22:30 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] indeed | Jun 13 22:30 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] the UK is a fucking shitshow, for example | Jun 13 22:30 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] it's so strange how libertarians tend to say that suffering is the natural order of nature - that "get your own food or starve" is natural - but they also tend to blame the government for the fact that they suffer | Jun 13 22:30 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] and afaict most of the "developed world" is ruled for part of the time at least by "conservatives" who are in formal alliance with parties that turned hungary and poland into dictatorships | Jun 13 22:30 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I'm fine with the death sentence. I wasn't planning on raping and murdering anyone, so it wouldn't apply to me if they brought it back. | Jun 13 22:30 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: you could be falsely accused | Jun 13 22:31 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] yeah, being able to trace some suffering to the government must be strange | Jun 13 22:31 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Not my fault that there's a certain demographic that's a little more rapey and murder-prone than the rest. | Jun 13 22:31 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I'm not convinced liberals or conservatives have done all that well. | Jun 13 22:31 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] I simply look at the results. | Jun 13 22:31 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i wouldn't trust the state with the death sentence | Jun 13 22:31 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] !flip "DaemonFC is talking about" ["jews", "black people"] | Jun 13 22:31 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] they can't get anything right | Jun 13 22:31 |
| kingoffrance | guest345r3534/tr: well, person without vision will inevitably get someone else's vision | Jun 13 22:31 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] And by a little bit, I mean 60% of the total crime on 14% of the population. Woohoo. | Jun 13 22:32 |
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| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] ah it was black people | Jun 13 22:32 |
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| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] kingoffrance which could be implanted. | Jun 13 22:32 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: i bet you also think you are not racist | Jun 13 22:32 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Facts lead to where the facts lead. | Jun 13 22:32 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: also, what if it did turn out to be someone's fault other than those people | Jun 13 22:32 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Chicago has more cameras and facial recognition than cities in the UK or even China. | Jun 13 22:33 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] this is the part where you pull out "everyone is responsible for their own decisions" | Jun 13 22:33 |
| kingoffrance | s/could be/will be/ :) | Jun 13 22:33 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] All right, I feel like we solved the world's problems. | Jun 13 22:33 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] s/decisions/actions/ | Jun 13 22:33 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] so I am going to get test out gemini against my ISP | Jun 13 22:33 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] and see if it shits on it. | Jun 13 22:33 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] go | Jun 13 22:33 |
| tr-bridge | [guest345r3534/tr] Later! | Jun 13 22:34 |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, So, Stargate Atlantis. The Genii plan wasn't perfect but they probably would have destroyed at least as many Wraith with the nuclear weapons and surprise as the Atlantis expedition had they not shown up. | Jun 13 22:35 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i haven't seen much of SGA yet | Jun 13 22:35 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Perhaps more. They had 100-200 years before the Wraith woke up. Plenty of time to sneak on dozens of hives and plant a nuke. | Jun 13 22:35 |
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| techrights-bot | "...work out where there might be some problems is to simply track what you're doing to go back and analysis the data, one #freesw tool that stores all your data locally called ActivityWatch let's you do this." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmYNc-dXm2s #ActivityWatch | Jun 13 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ActivityWatch: Track Your Day With Good Telemetry - YouTube | Jun 13 22:35 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Shephard says the plan wouldn't have worked because some of the ships are in space, not hibernating on a planet, but all the Genii would need to do is figure out how to capture some wraith darts and use the culling beams to pick up and then plant a nuclear bomb. That might be a problem because the bomb is inorganic, but so are the clothes, guns, and devices that the culling beam <clipped message> | Jun 13 22:37 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] picks up when a human is transported. So would having a human | Jun 13 22:37 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] holding the bomb get the culling beam to transport the bomb? | Jun 13 22:38 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] :) | Jun 13 22:38 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Darts don't require a wraith pilot, unlike their hive ships. | Jun 13 22:39 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] That seems odd. | Jun 13 22:39 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] just cover the bomb in organic tissue, like in terminator | Jun 13 22:39 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Yeah, the darts have a DHD in them and can travel through stargates in space. | Jun 13 22:40 |
| techrights-bot | "Toy Story 2, the film where Jessie joins the adventures of Woody, Buzz Lightyeart and the rest of the toys, has an impressive story that few know. When the movie had been in production for over ten months and was almost ready, a simple Linux / Unix command to delete a file erased the entire tape without having a backup. It almost ended in catastrophe!" https://marketresearchtelecast.com/the-day-pixar-deleted-toy-story | Jun 13 22:40 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR seems like one of those people who lacks critical thinking skills. Only someone without those skills would think anarchy was a good idea. | Jun 13 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marketresearchtelecast.com | Market Research Telecast | Jun 13 22:40 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] You wouldn't even need to figure out how to land because the hive ship takes over the dart's computer and flies it into the ship for you. | Jun 13 22:40 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i see immibis has run out of arguments | Jun 13 22:40 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] You might not be able to get out, but the Genii have lots of terminally ill people because of shitty medicine and radiation exposure. | Jun 13 22:40 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] And many of them would volunteer to suicide bomb a wraith hive ship. | Jun 13 22:41 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: there is no argument that can counter the kind of stupidity that leads one to believe anarchy is a good idea. If you want to feel ranted at, read Linus's response to the antivaxxer. | Jun 13 22:41 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] or as it's commonly put, "you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into" | Jun 13 22:41 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: and yet you're still talking | Jun 13 22:41 |
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| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: also, apparently you've failed to understand Linus' response | Jun 13 22:41 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i didn't think it was so difficult to understand that it would trip up a random statist, but here we are. | Jun 13 22:42 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] There's a lot of plot holes here because the alternative wouldn't make a very good story. Since the multiverse is valid in Stargate canon, that means in some universes, they met the Genii first and offered to help them nuke the wraith. | Jun 13 22:43 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] They could use puddle jumpers to plant some of the bombs and then use the Stargate dialing macro developed by Ba'al to send out the detonation signal. | Jun 13 22:43 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] No wraith, end of story. | Jun 13 22:43 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] :> | Jun 13 22:43 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.salon.com/2021/06/13/big-oil-wants-you-to-believe-a-tanker-full-of-fossil-fuel-can-be-carbon-neutral/ | Jun 13 22:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Big Oil wants you to believe a tanker full of fossil fuel can be "carbon neutral" | Salon.com | Jun 13 22:43 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] if anyone was looking at #freenode today they could also see quite a lot of lacking critical thinking | Jun 13 22:44 |
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| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] oh no, lots of people disagreeing with immibis | Jun 13 22:44 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, Also, they just give up after Atlantis fake self-destructs and go into hyperspace. | Jun 13 22:44 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: see, you call anyone who thinks anarchy is bad a "statist", meant as an insult. This is the kind of thought-terminating cliche that is commonly used by people with no rational position who nonetheless need to defend it | Jun 13 22:45 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] They knew the Ancients had cloaking technology. They have 12 hive ships in orbit, each one of which is capable of bombarding an entire planet. | Jun 13 22:45 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Why not fire some volleys at where the city was to make sure it wasn't a bluff? | Jun 13 22:45 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] let me repeat that: *anyone who thinks anarchy is bad* | Jun 13 22:45 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: strange, i didn't expect a statist to consider statist an insult | Jun 13 22:45 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] *most people* think anarchy is bad | Jun 13 22:45 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: your first ad hominem against me is in the dictionary under "thought-terminating cliche" | Jun 13 22:45 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] but nice try | Jun 13 22:45 |
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| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] as for the most people "argument", just observe what most people have done | Jun 13 22:46 |
| techrights-bot | Japan to probe #Apple and #Google in #antitrust discussions https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/222302 not #microsoft also? Why not? | Jun 13 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.appleinsider.com | Japan to probe Apple and Google in antitrust discussions - General Discussion Discussions on AppleInsider Forums | Jun 13 22:46 | |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] is this what a functioning civilization looks like? | Jun 13 22:46 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] but by using this terminology, you get to depersonify most people in your own mind, so that you can feel anarchists (who agree with you) are the only real people, and the rest are just idiots blindly following or something. It's the same effect as "sheeple" | Jun 13 22:46 |
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| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i'm sorry, are you now imagining ways in which i might have offended you? | Jun 13 22:47 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] you think "statist" is better than "sheeple" because "statist" is actually descriptive of something, but you use it with the exact same intent that a pro-deather uses "sheeple" | Jun 13 22:47 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] with | Jun 13 22:47 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] i'm not your psychiatrist | Jun 13 22:47 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] please consult a professional with your fantasies | Jun 13 22:47 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] now if only we could figure out why there are so many people like you. Maybe we could actually educate all of those people and have a functioning civilization for once | Jun 13 22:48 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The Ancients programmed the control crystals of all the other gates in Pegasus to not be able to dial the Milky Way, but left Atlantis behind intact, and the Wraith never bothered to see if it was still there. | Jun 13 22:48 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: the last guy who "argued" like you got banned for trolling | Jun 13 22:48 |
| techrights-bot | Don't let #corruptMedia swap the "bill sez" puff pieces (whitewashing crooks, for money... they're PAID to do this) with "Elon says" pieces... they try to promote the myth that robber barons are rich because of their endless wisdom and we must copy them... | Jun 13 22:48 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: maybe you could put people who disagree with you in camps | Jun 13 22:49 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The Asuran Replicators knew everything about Ancient technology and could produce unlimited ZPMs. A rigged ZPM set to explode could destroy an entire solar system. Instead of figuring out how to dial Earth and throw a ZPM bomb through the gate, the Asurans built Aurora class ships to launch an attack with. | Jun 13 22:50 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] maybe they weren't creative enough | Jun 13 22:51 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] They built the Stargate Satellite Weapon. | Jun 13 22:51 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] afaict the Asurans' existence revolved around imitating and outdoing the Ancients | Jun 13 22:51 |
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| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: I see that everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi now | Jun 13 22:51 |
| techrights-bot | Similar to the #greenwashing of #microsoft by so-called #linuxfoundation https://www.salon.com/2021/06/13/big-oil-wants-you-to-believe-a-tanker-full-of-fossil-fuel-can-be-carbon-neutral/ compare to http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/ | Jun 13 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Big Oil wants you to believe a tanker full of fossil fuel can be "carbon neutral" | Salon.com | Jun 13 22:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | Techrights | Jun 13 22:51 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] ZPM Bomb seems more likely. The Earth Iris wouldn't be a problem. The Milky Way Replicators had previously defeated it and walked right through. | Jun 13 22:51 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] almost as if there is no critical thinking happening before you speak. You have a very short loop: disagree => Nazi | Jun 13 22:52 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: maybe if you didn't make such gigantic leaps of faith, your messages wouldn't be so boring | Jun 13 22:52 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] i see MinceR has run out of arguments | Jun 13 22:52 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] DaemonFC: the Milky Way replicators might know something the Asuran replicators don't, though | Jun 13 22:53 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] McKay had access to the Asuran computers numerous times and never thought to download specifications for a ZPM. | Jun 13 22:53 |
| techrights-bot | Linking in #geminiProtocol discussed a lot today https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006691.html | Jun 13 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | In Body URI references | Jun 13 22:53 | |
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| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It never occurred to the Liam Faction of Asurans that if they wanted to ascend, they should make evolved human (Prior-like) bodies for themselves and transfer their minds into those? | Jun 13 22:56 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jun 13 22:56 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] haven't seen that part yet | Jun 13 22:56 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] or forgot | Jun 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | old: https://www.osnews.com/story/28099/debian-fork-promises-no-systemd-asks-for-donations/ | Jun 13 22:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Debian fork promises no systemd, asks for donations – OSnews | Jun 13 22:57 | |
| techrights-bot | Paul Thurrott: with #microsoft on 'life support' (bailouts from the government), #vista10 needs to be set aside for mythical vapourware to give way.... while current #windows cannot be maintained and updates keep breaking everything https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/251736/windows-10-support-ends-on-october-14-2025 | Jun 13 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/251736/windows-10-support-ends-on-october-14-2025 ) | Jun 13 22:58 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] They make Windows look different each time to give the illusion of progress underneath. | Jun 13 22:59 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: you should go have a discussion with Librarian in his exile over on Libera, he agrees with you on a lot, but I bet you'd never connect to Libera because it's run by statists | Jun 13 22:59 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] he is banned from this channel for a reason | Jun 13 22:59 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: maybe you should bother other people, elsewhere | Jun 13 23:00 |
| techrights-bot | I like this comment: "Windows 11 will be to Windows 10 what 7 was to Vista. Tinker with the UI and rebadge it to remove the stigma." See this about #vista7 : “Well the initial impression is how much it [Windows 7] looks like Vista. Which I think is…uh…the thing I’m not supposed to say.” –Microsoft Jack http://techrights.org/2015/06/27/microsoft-jack-insults-people/ | Jun 13 23:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Jack (Schofield) Promotes Microsoft’s Proprietary Lock-in and Calls People Who Recommend Free/Libre Software ‘Trolls’ | Techrights | Jun 13 23:00 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: maybe you should bother other people, elsewhere | Jun 13 23:00 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] is there an echo in here? | Jun 13 23:00 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] ask amazon | Jun 13 23:01 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] alexa, are you here? | Jun 13 23:01 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] Alexa, order two tons of creamed corn. | Jun 13 23:01 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] Alexa, confirm purchase. | Jun 13 23:01 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] 'progress' in tehc [sic] | Jun 13 23:02 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/04/26/ibm-stonks/ | Jun 13 23:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IBM Stinks | Techrights | Jun 13 23:03 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] okay google, wake me up 4am every weekday | Jun 13 23:04 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] and 2 AM every weekend | Jun 13 23:04 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/04/26/ibm-all-the-time/ | Jun 13 23:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] 100% of the Time Working for the 1% | Techrights | Jun 13 23:04 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-song/ | Jun 13 23:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM’s Prison of Glass and Metal Cages | Techrights | Jun 13 23:04 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Okay Subaru, shut mjg59's car off and disable the brakes while he's on a hill. | Jun 13 23:04 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] "SMart" | Jun 13 23:05 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] smatr [sic] https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ | Jun 13 23:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway—With Me in It | WIRED | Jun 13 23:05 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Okay Tesla, aim for the parked police cruiser and set engine to ramming speed! | Jun 13 23:05 |
| AdmFubar | I'd rather have a Fârnhäan...:P | Jun 13 23:06 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv4eTE0aUiQ | Jun 13 23:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Homer Simpson I Am So Smart - YouTube | Jun 13 23:06 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] okay tesla, unlock debug mode, initiate battery fire test sequence | Jun 13 23:06 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] (okay tesla, check build version, check build version, check build version, .....) | Jun 13 23:06 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] is there an "OK Tesla" or similar? | Jun 13 23:07 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Knight Rider? | Jun 13 23:07 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Fuck if I know. | Jun 13 23:07 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] OK Elon | Jun 13 23:07 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] all about Big Egon | Jun 13 23:07 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Tesla said they'd accept Bitcoin and then said they wouldn't. | Jun 13 23:07 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] "yes, master" | Jun 13 23:07 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] media is all that | Jun 13 23:07 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Then El Salvador made it legal tender. | Jun 13 23:07 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] elon said [xxxx] bitcoin p[yyy] | Jun 13 23:08 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] pumping the exchange rate? | Jun 13 23:08 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Medais [sic] | Jun 13 23:08 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Pretty much. | Jun 13 23:08 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] Bitcionz | Jun 13 23:08 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] makes sense, the SEC didn't seem to have a problem with the likes of robinhood manipulating the stock market either | Jun 13 23:09 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] big tehc censored them | Jun 13 23:10 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] SEC worries about precedent perhaps | Jun 13 23:10 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/chris-hedges/ | Jun 13 23:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chris Hedges: Julian Assange and the collapse of the rule of law - Alternet.org | Jun 13 23:10 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: you're a libertarian, you're supposed to be anti-SEC | Jun 13 23:10 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3dW7UY9a7k | Jun 13 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Eric Holder Explains Why More Wall Street Bankers Aren't in Jail - YouTube | Jun 13 23:11 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] which means the more stuff they don't regulate, the better | Jun 13 23:11 |
| tr-bridge | [MinceR/tr] immibis: FYI, i disapproved of the SEC's conduct there | Jun 13 23:11 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] MinceR: you disapprove that the SEC didn't investigate elon | Jun 13 23:12 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] 'elon' | Jun 13 23:14 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] our 'mate' elon | Jun 13 23:14 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and bill | Jun 13 23:14 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] bill what? | Jun 13 23:14 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] just bill | Jun 13 23:14 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/05/10/bill-saves/ | Jun 13 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Bill Says, Bill Saves | Techrights | Jun 13 23:14 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/05/10/bill-says/ | Jun 13 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Bill, What’s Your Opinion? | Techrights | Jun 13 23:14 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] "bill says" | Jun 13 23:14 |
| techrights-bot | Wow, it's summer and such a small number of flights in #manchesterairport this Sunday. I guess that most planes are just parked and rotting away in hangars. | Jun 13 23:18 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] schestowitz, My psychiatrist got rid of his office and went video visits only. | Jun 13 23:18 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Says he never plans to reopen the office again and almost all of his patients are doing video appointments now. | Jun 13 23:19 |
| AdmFubar | a few days ago it was busy in my local airspace. hadn't heard that many planes in a long time | Jun 13 23:19 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▅▄▃▄▂▃▂▅▄▆▇▅▃▅▆▅▆▆▅▄▅▆▅▅▇▄▄▆▆▄▁▅▃▅▁ avg(k/sec) 24.55 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▃▂▁▃▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 5.93▕ swarm size (avg): 244.59 ⟲ | Jun 13 23:20 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] I panicked when I saw Zocdoc say he was not practicing at that location anymore because I was worried that I'd end up going to one of those idiots that are the bulk of the younger ones. | Jun 13 23:20 |
| techrights-bot | Cprnell uni so incompetent that it lists papers I was involved in more than 15 years ago as it's they're newly submitted https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.10534 | Jun 13 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arxiv.org | [2002.10534] Evaluating Registration Without Ground Truth | Jun 13 23:20 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] The only reason there are any good doctors left are because some are going into their 70s, 80s, and 90s and not retiring. | Jun 13 23:20 |
| AdmFubar | https://arstechnica.com/?p=1772441 | Jun 13 23:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Amazon, eBay fight legislation that would unmask third-party sellers | Ars Technica | Jun 13 23:21 | |
| techrights-bot | Scholarly publication is dying (small number of actual views) and #paywalls are their death knell. These so-called publishers don't care about knowledge being disseminated, used, accessed etc. but only about MONEY. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1625048 | Jun 13 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ieeexplore.ieee.org | Assessing the accuracy of non-rigid registration with and without ground truth | IEEE Conference Publication | IEEE Xplore | Jun 13 23:23 | |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: likely breach of privacy | Jun 13 23:24 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] as the calls are third party controlled without encryption | Jun 13 23:24 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] recipe for trouble | Jun 13 23:24 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] except you agree to it by doing the call | Jun 13 23:25 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] AdmFubar Amazon and eBay want to monopolise the spying | Jun 13 23:25 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] and to sell your data | Jun 13 23:25 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] immibis: no choice | Jun 13 23:25 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] schestowitz: free market | Jun 13 23:25 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] there is an EPO case about it now | Jun 13 23:25 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] they compel people to do 'court' online | Jun 13 23:25 |
| tr-bridge | [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/summing-up-g121/ | Jun 13 23:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 20: Summing up | Techrights | Jun 13 23:26 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] coronavirus or privacy, coronavirus or privacy. hmm. is it worth killing 2 million more people or creating a 5% chance that a megacorp will data mine court cases... hmm... tough call | Jun 13 23:27 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] another* mega corp | Jun 13 23:27 |
| techrights-bot | Towards the end of this #RMS video from 2 weeks ago he talks about #overpopulation -- always a difficult subject to bring up. He explains why he choice not to have kids even when a partner asked him to http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ | Jun 13 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights | Jun 13 23:29 | |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] RMS had (1) a partner and (2) a partner who wanted to have kids? | Jun 13 23:30 |
| tr-bridge | [immibis/tr] with RMS??? | Jun 13 23:30 |
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| techrights-bot | #Russia spans about 10 hours in timezones because of DST. With #Kaliningrad at 0:29 and #Kamchatka at 10:29. US and Canada 'only' 4: https://time.gov/ | Jun 13 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | immibis sorry to 'shock' you... | Jun 13 23:32 |
| techrights-bot | "Best of #ibm you are allowed to bring person" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjfb0lj#replies IBM... is a private club os MBAs and reckless businesspeople... and military: http://techrights.org/2020/10/24/militarised-elephants/ | Jun 13 23:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 13 23:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Militarised Elephant in the Room Still Commands a Lot of Free Software Development | Techrights | Jun 13 23:34 | |
| techrights-bot | Technology killed by #microsoft crimes, infiltration, cult tactics, and Stephen Elop http://techrights.org/videos/N900_interaction_documentary.ogv #nokia #gnu #linux | Jun 13 23:35 |
| kingoffrance | immibis/tr: markets are an anachronism from before corporate charters | Jun 13 23:35 |
| kingoffrance | back when people were people | Jun 13 23:36 |
| kingoffrance | apples and oranges | Jun 13 23:36 |
| kingoffrance | pun intended | Jun 13 23:36 |
| AdmFubar | there are 5 timezone in the us | Jun 13 23:36 |
| techrights-bot | #gnu #linux and #qt could already do multi-touch almost 15 years ago... even before #apple cult pretended to have 'invented' something http://techrights.org/videos/marble_multitouch.ogg | Jun 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | AdmFubar | Jun 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I forgot hawaii | Jun 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | and maybe alaska | Jun 13 23:39 |
| AdmFubar | and alaska.. they are in the same tz | Jun 13 23:39 |
| AdmFubar | ٩(◕‿◕｡)۶ | Jun 13 23:40 |
| techrights-bot | Before #ibm controlled #redhat it was #microsoft doing the #patent exrotion against Red Hat http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ballmer_claims_red_hat_customers_owe_microsoft_money.ogg IBM has not changed: http://techrights.org/2020/12/28/ibm-xmas-patent-bully/ | Jun 13 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Christmastime Extortion Shows That IBM Has Not Changed Since Buying Red Hat and It’s Still a Patent Bully | Techrights | Jun 13 23:40 | |
| AdmFubar | dime for dinner in my tz... back later | Jun 13 23:40 |
| AdmFubar | time | Jun 13 23:40 |
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| techrights-bot | #redhat made this commercial before #systemd (which makes it totally NOT applicable anymore) http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/linux-origin.ogg | Jun 13 23:42 |
| techrights-bot | #RHEL before #systemd and #IBM ... also when you could get #centOS without ludicrous conditions http://techrights.org/videos/red-hat-install.ogg | Jun 13 23:43 |
| techrights-bot | #ubuntu #gnu #linux 6-7 years before #systemd http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ubuntu-eye-candy.ogg | Jun 13 23:45 |
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| techrights-bot | Classic: Old EPO Strike • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/classic-old-epo-strike/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/13/classic-old-epo-strike/ | Jun 13 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Classic: Old EPO Strike | Techrights | Jun 13 23:51 | |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Song of the South is not available on Disney's streaming service, Disney+, which launched in the United States in 2019.[54][55][56] Disney executive chairman and former CEO Bob Iger affirmed during a shareholders meeting that the film would not be getting a release on the service, even with an "outdated cultural depictions" disclaimer, stating that the film is "not appropriate in <clipped message> | Jun 13 23:53 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] today's world".[57] | Jun 13 23:53 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] ... | Jun 13 23:53 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Yes, but it is available on bittorrent. | Jun 13 23:53 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Someone else decides what is appropriate for you to watch. "Streaming" | Jun 13 23:54 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] It's the future! | Jun 13 23:54 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] Disney has turned into a sjw wet dream. | Jun 13 23:55 |
| tr-bridge | [DaemonFC/tr] There's no point in going to their parks or paying to see any of their new stuff. | Jun 13 23:55 |
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| kingoffrance | eh, its same world it always was. that assange article AdmFubar linked, the author talks about that in other things (indirectly, the myth that everything magically progresses, etc.) | Jun 13 23:59 |
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