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kingoffrancethus, medium may be enough to push something over the edge (in their eyes) regardless of content, etc.Jun 13 00:02
kingoffrancei already see "but we arent restricting speech, because you have non-rpg mediums"Jun 13 00:02
kingoffrancemaybe the irony "freedom of speech doesnt mean a guaranteed platform/listener" this case thats what they want, to be a guaranteed listener :)Jun 13 00:05
BaronVladimirHarThe case isn't exactly how you write it down.Jun 13 00:05
BaronVladimirHarYou can write a literary description of how to implement it that's good enough for someone else to write the program.Jun 13 00:06
BaronVladimirHarThen it's protected speech.Jun 13 00:06
kingoffranceyou mean so just printed code may not qualify ?Jun 13 00:06
BaronVladimirHarThe government's crypto export ban said you couldn't give someone a program, and so it was legally dangerous to give them source code or an executable.Jun 13 00:07
BaronVladimirHarBut what a lot of companies did was they put an "export" version with weak crypto on their server and then a strong one that said "Okay now, nobody outside the US can use this!".Jun 13 00:07
BaronVladimirHarAnd then they did anyway.Jun 13 00:07
kingoffranceyeahJun 13 00:07
kingoffrancefreebsd ports is literred with options for such things about which licenses you accept etc.Jun 13 00:08
BaronVladimirHarWindows 98 came with IE 4 with weak crypto even in the US.Jun 13 00:08
BaronVladimirHarIf you went to the IE about section, it said "56-bit SSL" or something.Jun 13 00:08
samiamsampsydroid: lineageos is very nice thoJun 13 00:08
BaronVladimirHarYou could download a patch to make it 128-bit.Jun 13 00:08
samiamsambut unfortunately not portable enough to run on arbitrary phoneJun 13 00:09
psydroidsamiamsam, I know, I have it installed on one of my old phonesJun 13 00:09
samiamsamubuntu touch is even worse on portability, but i have purchased some phones it recommends.  haven't installed it yet tho.Jun 13 00:10
BaronVladimirHarEverything Microsoft makes is a Rube Goldberg piece of shit with lousy security, and they mostly get away with it because of nasty lawyers and bribes to officials.Jun 13 00:10
psydroidbut it's not supported anymore on that device so something that is completely free would still be betterJun 13 00:10
BaronVladimirHarThe technical bit of the why is legacy compatibility. People used to use their stuff and there's a lot of programs for it now.Jun 13 00:10
psydroidI never get the application argumentJun 13 00:11
samiamsampsydroid: well nothing else is going to get enough developer effort into porting to individual android devices every single one of which requires a separate kernel maintenance projectJun 13 00:11
samiamsamthis situation is why lineageos only supports newest phones, & so applies only more to other alternativesJun 13 00:12
techrights-bot#IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #LinuxJun 13 00:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 13 00:14
techrights-bot#ProprietarySoftware and #Openwashing โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 00:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Proprietary Software and Openwashing | Tux MachinesJun 13 00:14
techrights-botTodayโ€™s ๐“๐ฎ๐ฑ ๐Œ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ฌ Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 00:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 13 00:18
techrights-botLinks 13/6/2021: #KDE Frameworks 5.83.0 and #helloSystem 0.5 โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 13 00:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 13/6/2021: KDE Frameworks 5.83.0 and helloSystem 0.5 | TechrightsJun 13 00:18
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techrights-botEasily Toggle Dark / Light Mode in Ubuntu 20.04, 21.04 via This Extension | UbuntuHandbook โš“ ไท‰ #UbuntuHandbook #FreeSW #GNU #Linux | more in 13 00:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Easily Toggle Dark / Light Mode in Ubuntu 20.04, 21.04 via This Extension | UbuntuHandbookJun 13 00:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 13 00:21
MinceR 13 00:24
techrights-botAll yaf-splash replaced with gtkdialog-splash #puppylinux #gnu #linuxJun 13 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | All yaf-splash replaced with gtkdialog-splashJun 13 00:24
techrights-botFarmers struggle to break into booming carbon-credit market 13 00:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Farmers struggle to break into booming carbon-credit market | ReutersJun 13 00:27
techrights-bot"Al Gore for Climate Change. Barack Obama for Peace. Bill Gates for what? So many options. Philandering." -Ryan at #techrightsJun 13 00:28
techrights-bot"Bill Gates has hoarded $144 billion and tripled his money since he started "giving it away". He wasn't even honest to his wife and he barely even showed up at Microsoft, which was paying him, where everyone knew he was spending the whole day off cheating on his wife. That's before Epstein and the whole absentee landlord of farming and the medicine patent harm." -Ryan at #techrightsJun 13 00:29
techrights-botSociopath, criminal, and enabler of sex trafficking by Epstein 13 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates used to vanish from work to meet women secretly, says reportJun 13 00:30
techrights-botWhen the land is sold to criminals 13 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | McDonald's french fries, carrots, onions: all of the foods that come from Bill Gates farmlandJun 13 00:31
techrights-botSix Flags Great America Settling Lawsuit Over #Fingerprints for $36M 13 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Six Flags Great America Settling Lawsuit Over Fingerprints for $36M โ€“ NBC ChicagoJun 13 00:31
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] schestowitz: pretty typical of this type of management structure. The opposition must be eradicated at all costs.Jun 13 00:33
techrights-botExploting #covid19 for #warOnCash and war on #privacy 13 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EU plans digital ID wallet for bloc's post-pandemic lifeJun 13 00:34
techrights-botOnly after they infected #mozilla #firefox with this same 'bug' 13 00:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google ends its attack on the URL bar, resumes showing full address in Chrome โ€“ OSnewsJun 13 00:36
techrights-bot#clowncomputing 13 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fastly 'fesses up to breaking the internet with an 'an undiscovered software bug' triggered by a customer โ€ข The RegisterJun 13 00:37
techrights-bot#microsoft #windows #ProprietarySoftware #junk 13 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft pushes Windows 10 KB4023057 again to fix update issuesJun 13 00:38
techrights-bot#Stรฉphane Graber: Inexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stรฉphane Graber: Inexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later | Tux MachinesJun 13 00:38
techrights-botThe #FBI 's Anom Stunt Rattles the Encryption Debate 13 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The FBI's Anom Stunt Rattles the Encryption Debate | WIREDJun 13 00:40
techrights-bot#ibm #layoffs 12 hours ago: "Worst newer ever. Why would you want to work? Iโ€™d buy Amazon and Google stock from the start and sell and retire" 13 00:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | If you can go back in timeโ€ฆ - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 00:43
techrights-botLots of gold in this thread about collapse of #ibm 13 00:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | looks like some in IBM are doing very well - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 00:44
techrights-bot"IBMโ€™s plan is for Power to focus on 980โ€™s, Z & Storage chip sets, and AI optimization. #IBM labs will pick up most of the design and futures. Everything else will go. #Kyndryl will pick up channel sales and TSS." 13 00:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | When will next RA in System BU's Power Line - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 00:45
techrights-bot"This is the game plan that [ #IBM CEO] AK and the bean counters have put together. Itโ€™s financial engineering 101. Load up #Kyndryl with the โ€œgoodwillโ€ and dump it out of Hybrid IBM. Kyndrylโ€™s future is a financial position slightly above โ€œjunkโ€ status." 13 00:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Is there any new information about IBM selling Watson Health? - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 00:45
techrights-bot"This kinda plays into IBMโ€™s previous actions IBM sold 1/2 of the facility to Hitachi 15 years ago. IBM then downsized and sold 80% of the remaining property to the city and a developer. #IBM then renegotiated the leases and dropped down from 33 buildings to 9. Now itโ€™s time to say goodbye." 13 00:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pulling the Plug on Med City - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 00:46
techrights-bot"And Whitehurst is on record for wanting HQ to be there. Wonder if AK owns property in the Triangle" #ibm #redhat #AllowHurst 13 00:47
techrights-bot"Mandatory co-location is a local decision." #ibm driving away staff (e.g. offers of early departure, pissing off workers) to lessen how many layoffs it reports 13 00:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | September 7th 2021 - IBM workers are returning to the office - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 00:48
techrights-bot" #ibm pays lowest in tech i agree with other commentor , just look outside.Even if they give a raise it's peanuts like 2%, 3% etc. My rent increases more than that even during pandemic" 13 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Instead of raise, you can only get an excuse - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 00:49
techrights-botHours ago on #ibm crisis: "HR here is toxic about any conversation regarding raises or compensation. I've been called "entitled" because my pay was significantly less than market. The promotion raise was still not enough despite my high performance and manager vouching for me. I am glad I left" 13 00:49
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techrights-bot"Unfortunately, if the cost of living goes up, but salaries do not... then the game the Fed plays to keep inflation up... does the job it's intended to do... give a house edge to the sell side. In days gone by a thing called "cost of living allowance" or similar was a real thing." #ibm 13 00:50
techrights-bot"3 years ago one rep on our team received a hand signed letter via Fedex from Ginni congratulating him on 9 consecutive years of 100% Club and her personal challenge to achieve 10 years. That afternoon our manager RAd him. No joke" #ibm #crisis 13 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 00:51
BaronVladimirHar268 cases of COVID in Illinois today.Jun 13 01:09
BaronVladimirHarNot too bad.Jun 13 01:09
schestowitzhow much testing though?Jun 13 01:10
schestowitzwe test about a million a dayJun 13 01:10
schestowitzI noticed that some big countries only test like tens of thousands per dayJun 13 01:10
BaronVladimirHar3% positivity so if the 7 day average in cases was 381, then that means about 12,700 tests per day in the state over the last week?Jun 13 01:15
BaronVladimirHarObviously the story about the flu going away is bullshit.Jun 13 01:15
BaronVladimirHarThose flu quick tests are pretty bad, btw.Jun 13 01:15
BaronVladimirHarAt one point they were admitting that lots of people were getting COVID and didn't even notice and ask for a test.Jun 13 01:17
BaronVladimirHarBut they stopped talking about that.Jun 13 01:17
BaronVladimirHarThere's no symptoms! "THAT'S ONE OF THE SYMPTOMS!"Jun 13 01:18
BaronVladimirHarFauci: Wear a mask. Fauci's leaked email: Masks are ridiculous. Do you people even know how small these germs are?Jun 13 01:18
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–…โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–‚โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–โ–†โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–†โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–„โ–†โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ–†โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 20.71 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‡โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 53.01โ–• swarm size (avg): 243.93  โŸฒJun 13 01:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How The Price Of A Toyota Truck Helps Explain Surging Inflation : NPRJun 13 01:26
BaronVladimirHarschestowitz: Another reason why I just keep repairing thing after thing on the Impala.Jun 13 01:27
BaronVladimirHarUntil we're out of this used car bubble, I'm not even going to think about trading up unless I have to.Jun 13 01:27
schestowitz[01:21] <-- rbraun (vaF3IrtE@gateway/shell/ has left this server (K-Lined).Jun 13 01:27
schestowitzklined?!Jun 13 01:27
BaronVladimirHarThis is the worst I've seen it since 2013, and even that was pretty bad. I put a car up for sale for three times what I thought it was actually worth and got it.Jun 13 01:28
schestowitzwth is going on?Jun 13 01:28
schestowitzfreenode is cutting its own throatJun 13 01:28
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Nothing can surprise me at this point.Jun 13 01:28
MinceRlooks like itJun 13 01:28
BaronVladimirHarWhat did they do that for?Jun 13 01:29
BaronVladimirHar<tr-bridge "[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Nothi"> You know freenode here for user. Why make freenode hurt you?Jun 13 01:30
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitzJun 13 01:30
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Me not understand what ye sayJun 13 01:30
*schestowitz has changed the topic to: IRC discussions @ Freenode | Channel #techrights for [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. Official channels are at irc.techrights.orgJun 13 01:31
BaronVladimirHarschestowitzis on Matrix now?Jun 13 01:31
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] no, I am notJun 13 01:31
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I never used matrixJun 13 01:31
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] we experimented with it for workJun 13 01:31
BaronVladimirHarMust be the way this thing is displaying your activity to me.Jun 13 01:32
BaronVladimirHarIt's getting really fucking crazy in here with the bridges.Jun 13 01:32
MinceRthere was a bridge with an [m] at the end, possibly to matrix, but it leftJun 13 01:32
BaronVladimirHarMatrix, Libera, Freenode, and now your server.Jun 13 01:32
MinceR"now"? the first thing this channel was bridged to was the techrights network :>Jun 13 01:33
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Oh, I just registered an account, look at the situation and decided to can it for now.Jun 13 01:33
MinceRicJun 13 01:33
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] * lookedJun 13 01:33
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Matrix wants to make something called communities or something, and maybe a good idea would be to collect all the techrights rooms into that.Jun 13 01:35
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] but who's going to moderate all that?Jun 13 01:35
MinceRthey should hurry up with their p2p effortJun 13 01:35
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Matrix isn't about communitiesJun 13 01:35
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] DaemonFC?Jun 13 01:35
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CrystalMathwe don't know why rbraun was k-linedJun 13 01:36
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Please register on Libera.Jun 13 01:36
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] noJun 13 01:36
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I am not interested in ANOTHER masterJun 13 01:36
CrystalMath+1Jun 13 01:36
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] one is already too muchJun 13 01:36
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: How the heck are we supposed to bridge Matrix?Jun 13 01:36
CrystalMathbetter don'tJun 13 01:36
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I will discuss with RMS making their own IRC networkJun 13 01:37
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] he takes days to replyJun 13 01:37
CrystalMathbut i think you may have been right yet again schestowitz, having your own IRC network is pretty goodJun 13 01:37
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Looks like your presence will go down with freenode.Jun 13 01:38
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Consider biboumi, there are some public servers of it.Jun 13 01:38
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] CrystalMath: it wasn't an impulsive overnight decision, we actually debated it about 3 times last yearJun 13 01:38
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] BaronVladimirHar why not get a real IRC client?Jun 13 01:38
BaronVladimirHar<tr-bridge "[schestowitz/tr] Matrix isn't ab"> Trannies with a Mod ComplexJun 13 01:40
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] though who cares, he's probably going to get banned againJun 13 01:40
BaronVladimirHarSorry I was late. Tranny problems.Jun 13 01:41
MinceRi see what you did thereJun 13 01:41
CrystalMathtransmission problems?Jun 13 01:41
CrystalMathheh, yeahJun 13 01:41
BaronVladimirHarThe lead developer of Matrix (I think). Matthew, apparently.Jun 13 01:41
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] ara4n?Jun 13 01:42
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tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Will ye move the bots?Jun 13 01:44
BaronVladimirHarI piss people off. I don't know why they say I hate them or I'm afraid of them. I'm not, at least not because of whatever reason they invented in their head. I'm utterly repulsed by drama bombs. And with trans people, there appear to be a great many of those.Jun 13 01:46
CrystalMathschestowitz: don't you think you're jumping to conclusions a bit?Jun 13 01:46
BaronVladimirHarTo be fair, there's plenty of gay people like that.Jun 13 01:46
BaronVladimirHarBut saying I hate gay people because there's a lot of drama queens is like saying I'm homophobic because I think Matthew Garrett is a despicable drama queen.Jun 13 01:47
BaronVladimirHarWhat they need to get over, other than themselves, is victim mentality where they're always looking to be insulted so that they can take the chance to gain spotlight by screaming about it.Jun 13 01:48
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tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: With Libera.Chat ye are sure more than happy to jump into conclusions firstJun 13 01:49
BaronVladimirHarGarrett is currently playing victim advocate on Shitter again.Jun 13 01:49
CrystalMathi've had years to meet those peopleJun 13 01:49
BaronVladimirHarClaiming that someone got hired beneath her skills because she's a woman.Jun 13 01:50
BaronVladimirHarLots of people are hired beneath their skills and have to work for someone that knows a lot less than they do, and NEVER get a promotion at all.Jun 13 01:50
CrystalMathXRevan86: i will never connect there, the only chance i might reconsider is if Fuchs is removed permanentlyJun 13 01:50
BaronVladimirHarThey're not all women.Jun 13 01:50
CrystalMathXRevan86: but they would honestly need to change their policies as welJun 13 01:51
BaronVladimirHarIn fact, I'd say that I was smarter than at least the next two levels up in almost every job.Jun 13 01:51
BaronVladimirHarEinstein worked as a patent office clerk.Jun 13 01:51
CrystalMathXRevan86: to support free speech, all kinds of right-wing opinions, and ban Fuchs from ever holding a staff positionJun 13 01:51
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: It's better to k-line without a policyJun 13 01:51
BaronVladimirHarI mean, you run into college graduates working at Taco Bell.Jun 13 01:51
BaronVladimirHarIt usually means they studied psychology or something.Jun 13 01:52
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: if i look at the list of illibera staff currently online and find jose, amdj and nhandler on it, is that "jumping to conclusions"?Jun 13 01:52
BaronVladimirHarBut just because a person makes a little over minimum wage doesn't even mean they're stupid. Their boss is probably in high school. Life's shit sometimes, isn't it?Jun 13 01:52
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I haven't heard of them abusing their op. Isn't that "cancel culture" to try to cancel them?Jun 13 01:53
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] no, the cancel culture is what those people have doneJun 13 01:54
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] and their signatures are still there for everyone to seeJun 13 01:54
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i'm not the one who publicized their stance as being against software freedom. they did that themselves.Jun 13 01:54
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Hasn't anyone bothered to dig into their reasons behind that? I certainly haven't.Jun 13 01:54
BaronVladimirHar 13 01:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: It really shouldn't need pointing out that the way to win hearts and minds isn't to fork code under a permissive liโ€ฆ 13 01:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: It really shouldn't need pointing out that the way to win hearts and minds isn't to fork code under a permissive liโ€ฆ 13 01:55
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] don't give trolls traffic.Jun 13 01:55
BaronVladimirHarGarrett bashing the GPL again. schestowitz threatening to mute me because Garrett is Shitter Raging.Jun 13 01:55
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: you mean, ask them for lies to try and cover up the fact that they're supporting a corporate conspiracy to destroy free software?Jun 13 01:55
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] after those corporations have already succeeded in taking over gnome and Linux?Jun 13 01:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] MinceR: we really should become more self-governingJun 13 01:56
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] indeedJun 13 01:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] and stuff worrying about their BSJun 13 01:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I'd rather deal with a friendJun 13 01:56
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] the FSF has entered the death spiral alreadyJun 13 01:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] than some strangers who claim to support "Open SOurce"Jun 13 01:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] while shouting at the FSF, "cancel your founder"Jun 13 01:56
BaronVladimirHarI wonder if he's given up on the Subaru.Jun 13 01:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] MinceR: years ago, maybe...Jun 13 01:57
BaronVladimirHarI was looking at used cars. I think the sweet spot is maybe a 2010-2014 Toyota.Jun 13 01:57
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] they're a "big target"Jun 13 01:57
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] so I can empathiseJun 13 01:57
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I am not smart enough to draw conclusions of that scale.Jun 13 01:57
BaronVladimirHarI'll probably go for that next time. It doesn't have that "smart" shit on it that's obsolete 20% of the way into the payments.Jun 13 01:57
BaronVladimirHar:)Jun 13 01:57
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] they still stand for some important things, inc. privacy and copyleftJun 13 01:57
BaronVladimirHarGarret is not nearly as bright as he thinks he is or he'd just use a simple car that's cheap as hell to repair even if it isn't terribly reliable.Jun 13 01:58
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] bbiabJun 13 01:58
BaronVladimirHarHe's basically maybe one notch above treknobabble.Jun 13 01:59
BaronVladimirHarThe NSA and Microsoft probably did slip him that EFI crap.Jun 13 02:00
MinceRhe seems to believe in EFIJun 13 02:00
BaronVladimirHarNobody outside Subaru understands what the hell the computer in his car is up to.Jun 13 02:00
BaronVladimirHarAnd nobody ever will.Jun 13 02:00
MinceRmaybe another successful application of the idiotic dichotomy fallacyJun 13 02:00
BaronVladimirHarIt took a long time to detect Diesel Cheat VWs and that could be measured at the tailpipe to prove it was lying.Jun 13 02:01
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kingoffrancei firmly believe idiotic dichotomy fallacy is the #1 problem plaguing humanity in all areas of lifeJun 13 02:02
BaronVladimirHarThe only thing it did to cover its tracks was lie under conditions where it was likely in a testing bay or the engine wasn't being asked to do too much.Jun 13 02:02
MinceR(MBR has a limit to how big the device it can work on it and EFI is not MBR, therefore EFI is automatically our savior -- ignoring that EFI has much more serious issues and that there are other options)Jun 13 02:02
BaronVladimirHarThe way they got caught was someone tested the tailpipe emissions under load, which no state does, and which is why VW never figured they would be caught.Jun 13 02:02
MinceR(or perhaps it's because he really believes that vendor lock-in is a security feature)Jun 13 02:03
BaronVladimirHarTheir software was to fool the government, not to fool a university that went on an actual drive and made measurements.Jun 13 02:03
CrystalMathMinceR: honestly i've never even used 200 GB total in my lifeJun 13 02:03
CrystalMath1 TB is like.. insaneJun 13 02:03
BaronVladimirHar<MinceR "(MBR has a limit to how big the "> MBR style partitions. There's nothing truly awful about them. 1. BIOS could have been updated to deal with GPT partition tables, but wasn't. 2. You can make a small BIOS BOOT partition and then make your main partitions GPT and make as many as you want.Jun 13 02:04
MinceRi only have 1 device that is 1TB or larger installed inside a computerJun 13 02:04
BaronVladimirHarThe BIOS doesn't know or care about them. It boots the bootloader, which knows what they are, which calls the OS that also knows what they are.Jun 13 02:04
MinceRi think GPT can burn in hell too, as it came with UEFIJun 13 02:05
MinceRand yeah, you can just have a small boot partition and it doesn't even have to be FATJun 13 02:05
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] What are ye people are even talking aboutJun 13 02:05
MinceRit can actually be a filesystem designed by people who knew what they were doingJun 13 02:05
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Why would a BIOS need to know about partitions.Jun 13 02:05
BaronVladimirHar<MinceR "and yeah, you can just have a sm"> BIOS BOOT could be any file system that GRUB has a driver for.Jun 13 02:05
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: presumably the boot record would need to use BIOS routines to talk to the drive to load whatever it wants to bootJun 13 02:06
BaronVladimirHarMaybe not BtrFS because I don't know that you even could make a volume that was only 1-2 MB.Jun 13 02:06
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: And that's what the first 446 bytes are for?Jun 13 02:06
MinceRsomething like thatJun 13 02:06
MinceRi mean, you stick what you can in those bytesJun 13 02:07
MinceRwhich in the case of something as powerful as grub would be whatever can load the next stage(s)Jun 13 02:07
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] And what ye cannot goes into a 2M GRUB boot partitionJun 13 02:07
MinceRor in the first 1M or so, before the first partitionJun 13 02:08
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Using GPT with MBR booting is not a problem.Jun 13 02:08
MinceRor it could use a partition for thatJun 13 02:08
MinceRwell yeah, my problem with GPT is that i didn't ask for that packageJun 13 02:08
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: It *does* use a partition for that.Jun 13 02:08
BaronVladimirHarBIOS Boot is the spec I used on a 4 TB hard drive.on my Phenom II system.Jun 13 02:08
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] GPT has simple benefits over MBR partitioning like no need for EBR and bigger maximum size.Jun 13 02:09
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] extended boot has been pretty annoyingJun 13 02:09
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Micosoft boosters certainly LOVE hyping this up 13 02:09
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tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] there are thousands of "LINUX" packagesJun 13 02:09
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] many with bugsJun 13 02:10
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] local priv escalation isn't a big dealJun 13 02:10
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] but because a Microsoft employee brought this upJun 13 02:10
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] look how media reactsJun 13 02:10
MinceRincompetent mediaJun 13 02:10
MinceRthey prance around as "IT journalism", but can't tell the difference between a kernel and polkitJun 13 02:11
kingoffranceyeah, but thats just saying its another IDF in action :)Jun 13 02:11
kingoffrancespeak of the devilJun 13 02:11
MinceRit doesn't really matter, does it? either way, they can't be relied upon for credible informationJun 13 02:13
MinceRand then they can say "oh, but i said that because i'm a paid microsoft shill"/"oh, but i said that because i don't know the subject i'm writing about" and it doesn't matter what they sayJun 13 02:14
BaronVladimirHarMandy says that bitch that tried to get him to buy her vodka passed out today and they took her to the hospital in an ambulance and then the hospital released her.Jun 13 02:15
BaronVladimirHarI said "Oh there went $20,000 for nothing.".Jun 13 02:16
BaronVladimirHarHe goes oh no, she had insurance. Jun 13 02:16
BaronVladimirHarI said, "I'm sorry. There went $7,000 for nothing.".Jun 13 02:16
BaronVladimirHarHe's incredibly naive. He acts like I don't know what my own country is like.Jun 13 02:17
BaronVladimirHarCongrats you could have had a nice car or you could have spent an hour in the ER so they can say we don't know, next. Jun 13 02:18
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] how is this on topic?Jun 13 02:18
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] anyway, this lapop is killing me, or killing timeJun 13 02:18
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: How much is that in typical salaries?Jun 13 02:18
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it makes no sense at all, and the error messages it gives are worse than useless, alluding literally to a .c fileJun 13 02:19
MinceRyou can buy a nice car for $7000 over there?Jun 13 02:19
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] That looks like a serious byte into one's whole life savings to me.Jun 13 02:19
BaronVladimirHarAverage WalMart worker makes about $40,000 in a year before tax. Maybe $28,000 after all the deductions and shit and then the government taxing you again when you spend it after taxing it like five times on your paycheck.Jun 13 02:20
BaronVladimirHarAnd it was way less before the raises this year.Jun 13 02:20
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] <MinceR/fn> you can buy a nice car [cut]Jun 13 02:20
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tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] fixed it for you. many cars now come with "computers"Jun 13 02:21
MinceRwell, i did buy a nice car, and it came with computersJun 13 02:21
MinceRbut it sure as hell cost more than thatJun 13 02:21
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] inflation probably means a car that lasts would be 15000 dollars and upwardsJun 13 02:21
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Very strong. But still not strong enough.Jun 13 02:21
BaronVladimirHarI just put another $700 into a 2003  Impala.Jun 13 02:22
BaronVladimirHarIt's actually not the biggest piece of shit I've ever had.Jun 13 02:22
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: why nice car when lada for $200 drive from A to B fineJun 13 02:22
MinceRlolJun 13 02:22
MinceRbecause i prefer driving from A to B, not from A to the workshop and then back to A, and repeatJun 13 02:23
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] when it break, get new oneJun 13 02:23
MinceRi also prefer not buying cars all the time, just as i prefer not having to take them to be serviced all the timeJun 13 02:23
BaronVladimirHarThe only reason I didn't lose my ass on that 1995 Ford Taurus was that I kept having it towed down to this old mechanic that had random people working on it for like $35 an hour. Jun 13 02:23
BaronVladimirHarThey just said bring them the parts.Jun 13 02:24
BaronVladimirHarI had all kinds of problems but I just kept having the car parts place drop of radiators and hoses and an alternator and a water pump to replace the one that exploded all over my windshield.Jun 13 02:24
BaronVladimirHarAnd a heater core.Jun 13 02:24
BaronVladimirHarThe oxygen sensors...Jun 13 02:25
BaronVladimirHarI don't know what the hell the last owner did to that car, but they destroyed everything that coolant touches except the engine.Jun 13 02:25
*tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] has made four contributions to Conversations touching the same exact bit of code for the past 2/3 of a year. I kept finding new things wrong with it.Jun 13 02:26
BaronVladimirHarOh yeah, someone wrecked it and managed to break nothing except the headlight mounting bracket and then put it back together with Bondo.Jun 13 02:26
BaronVladimirHarSo I had to have that replaced too.Jun 13 02:27
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: sounds like a great productJun 13 02:27
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Until now when I found the ultimate wrongness, and I'm very happy now.Jun 13 02:27
BaronVladimirHarOh that car was evil. But still not the worst one I've had.Jun 13 02:27
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: It's fine except for the database.Jun 13 02:28
BaronVladimirHarThat goes to a Chevy Corsica that threw the connecting rod at 115,114 miles.Jun 13 02:28
CrystalMath+1 for the LadaJun 13 02:28
BaronVladimirHarThankfully I uh, sold it to one of Gonad's relatives before the damned engine broke down for good.Jun 13 02:29
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] I don't know anything about Java, but I know SQL and the basics of SQLite, and that allowed me to fix the performance issue that's been plaguing me for years.Jun 13 02:29
BaronVladimirHarGM makes cars that are so bad that they're like exploding Soviet TV bad.Jun 13 02:30
BaronVladimirHarMom keeps biting.Jun 13 02:30
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] And now it's not surprising to me that it's been getting worse as it's correlated with the database size.Jun 13 02:30
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] A full table scan every time a message tuple is altered? It's more likely than ye think.Jun 13 02:31
BaronVladimirHarAnd because we're totally not Communists, when GM failed the first time, they got a special bankruptcy law just for them, a massive government bailout, and all of the fucktards that managed it got to keep their jobs.Jun 13 02:31
MinceRmaybe stop buying GM cars, thenJun 13 02:32
BaronVladimirHarI didn't. Mom does and then she can't figure out why it's always in the shop and they can't fix anything right.Jun 13 02:32
MinceRlolJun 13 02:32
BaronVladimirHarThen she replaces a bunch of shit and hands it to me.Jun 13 02:33
BaronVladimirHarThen I replace a bunch of shit and run it into the ground.Jun 13 02:33
BaronVladimirHarTo be fair a lot of this year was wear items that I have no idea how they lasted this long.Jun 13 02:33
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] So of course my database is big enough and my device is weak enough to make the worst case scenario like an hour of message sending. When a database is so overworked with all the full table scans it's stuck.Jun 13 02:34
BaronVladimirHarFactory struts with 275,000 miles that had gone through 19 years in the Midwest.Jun 13 02:34
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Or it could hang and stop recording new messages, for the same reason.Jun 13 02:35
BaronVladimirHarI had it propped back up on some quick struts. They're way better than broken struts.Jun 13 02:35
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] All that has been fixed with the changes to the schema.Jun 13 02:35
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Didn't even need to recompile the Java code.Jun 13 02:35
BaronVladimirHarThe factory ones were so gone that it was like a rusty pogo stick with a torn dust boot and springs that were half eaten away.Jun 13 02:35
BaronVladimirHarIt had started to make this popcorn popping noise.Jun 13 02:36
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BaronVladimirHarIf Garrett was a hacker or at least any kind of decent hipster, he'd just do what I do.Jun 13 02:37
BaronVladimirHarStruts give out, prop the car back up on quick struts. E-Brake fails? Rip it out and toss it in the trash.Jun 13 02:37
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Hack lada to best lada lada can beJun 13 02:37
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MinceRuse mom's shitty GM car? :>Jun 13 02:37
BaronVladimirHarInstead he gets murdered on depreciation and then bitches about proprietary data links.Jun 13 02:37
MinceRbest lada hack: sell it and buy a real car instead :>Jun 13 02:38
BaronVladimirHarOh MinceR MinceR MinceR MinceR Jun 13 02:38
BaronVladimirHarYou're always paying for it. The only difference is that the mechanic's price is on the wall.Jun 13 02:38
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tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: ye no fun, ye probably saw real ladaJun 13 02:39
BaronVladimirHarBuying a new car is like "Hey dealer. Make this $40,000 car $60,000 by the time we get out of the finance room somehow, and then in 5 years with interest payments I'll only be able to sell it for $10,000!".Jun 13 02:39
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BaronVladimirHarOr keep it and take it to the mechanic every few months like you'd be doing with an old car anyway.Jun 13 02:40
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: rode in it tooJun 13 02:40
BaronVladimirHarMechanics charge more these days because people are doing everything they can to get the last bits out of their old car, MinceR Jun 13 02:40
MinceRmechanics can charge more these days over here because many of them fled to the westJun 13 02:41
BaronVladimirHarAnd they're doing that because a new car costs two, three times more than it did 20 years ago. And people don't make two or three times more than they did 20 years ago.Jun 13 02:41
BaronVladimirHarEast Germany had a really terrible car too.Jun 13 02:41
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BaronVladimirHarThe Trabant, I think.Jun 13 02:42
BaronVladimirHarAfter the fall of Communism, many people just abandoned them in the street.Jun 13 02:42
MinceRthere were many terrible cars in the eastern blocJun 13 02:42
MinceRwith stalinism, most technological development pretty much stoppedJun 13 02:43
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] The old school lada's are still roaming the streetsJun 13 02:43
BaronVladimirHar<MinceR "with stalinism, most technologic"> That's pretty much how GM got here. That's why they were fighting the fuel economy mandates.Jun 13 02:43
MinceRand yet, our icarus buses are still better than the mercedes-benz onesJun 13 02:43
BaronVladimirHarThey wanted to keep selling high margin gas guzzlers.Jun 13 02:44
MinceRbecause the icarus buses have suspensions, with springs and maybe even shock absorbersJun 13 02:44
BaronVladimirHarThat's not going to be real popular with gas at an 8 year high.Jun 13 02:44
MinceRthough some of the roads in budapest are so terrible even those can't deal with them wellJun 13 02:44
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: People resent the Icarus's hereJun 13 02:44
MinceRi resented them tooJun 13 02:44
BaronVladimirHarThe roads in Waukegan, Illinois are so bad I'm sure they finished off those struts on the front of my car.Jun 13 02:45
MinceRuntil i got sick on one of the mercedes-benzes due to feeling every flaw in the roadJun 13 02:45
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Know why? Ye can probably guess.Jun 13 02:45
MinceRno, i can'tJun 13 02:45
BaronVladimirHarEvery time you get out there you're running over potholes and sewer grates that caved in sideways.Jun 13 02:45
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Because they have no heating in the winter.Jun 13 02:45
MinceRi seeJun 13 02:45
MinceRmaybe just not enough heatingJun 13 02:46
BaronVladimirHarThe city saves money by not fixing anything and then raises your taxes to cover pensions for the government people who aren't doing anything important.Jun 13 02:46
BaronVladimirHarSort of like the state of Illinois only it's the city.Jun 13 02:46
MinceRi don't remember having such issues here, though i usually avoid buses anywayJun 13 02:46
BaronVladimirHarYou want to know how stupid people are.Jun 13 02:48
BaronVladimirHarThere's a pay with GasBuddy Premium app where you can pay more than the largest possible gas discount is worth that month to get a gas discount.Jun 13 02:49
BaronVladimirHarAnd then you sign up for it and in the fine print it says half the oil companies don't even let you pay with it.Jun 13 02:50
BaronVladimirHarSo you have no idea if it's going to work or not.Jun 13 02:50
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MinceRallegedly he hasn't even said anything in daysJun 13 02:53
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techrights-botTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 03:04
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BaronVladimirHarMinceR: I've got an idea. Let's partner with a payment processor where people can link their bank and then sell people gas discounts that are worth $4 for $8 a month.Jun 13 03:05
BaronVladimirHarCall it an app. Stuff it full of tracking libraries.Jun 13 03:05
MinceRsounds dodgyJun 13 03:06
BaronVladimirHarExtremely.Jun 13 03:06
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] MinceR: maybe new policy for k-line is "not active enough in freenode to be worth it"  :-)Jun 13 03:06
techrights-ipfsQmVUBLf9g24CeTFZPr1KCBQh3mA5e5VvjUSi5aU6aj3q9yJun 13 03:07
MinceRno ideaJun 13 03:07
MinceRbut it looks like the staff is supplying us with new information so it might get easier to figure out :>Jun 13 03:07
BaronVladimirHarMaybe they're k-lining people for spamming Liberal Chat.Jun 13 03:10
techrights-botEuropean #patents on #chemistry itself 13 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European Patent Office upholds Curadev's cyclodextrin patent for new composition of matterJun 13 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chemical Patents โ€“ How To Get The Protection You Want In Europe Part I: Defining The Invention - Intellectual Property - UKJun 13 03:10
BaronVladimirHarSpeaking of which, I got an invite to the Libertarian Party state convention.Jun 13 03:10
BaronVladimirHarI should run for office.Jun 13 03:10
BaronVladimirHarI generally don't care what you do and no there probably shouldn't be a law.Jun 13 03:11
techrights-bot"The #China National Intellectual Property Administration (CNIPA) and the European Patent Office (EPO) launched a two-year pilot on December 1, 2020โ€ฆ" 13 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Discussion on the PCT ISA Pilot Launched by CNIPA and EPO - LexologyJun 13 03:14
techrights-botConveniently overlooks the fact that the #EPO Enlarged Board of Appeal is a rigged kangaroo court beholden to people who break the law and kidnap judges 13 03:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Examination Of Clarity Of Amendments In EPO Opposition Proceedings - Intellectual Property - European UnionJun 13 03:15
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: So the same bit of code got these contributions from me: 1. search didn't work in Android 5; 2. search was case-sensitive outside the ASCII range; 3. search was wasting space for redundant copies of messages; 4. the search implementation caused a full table scan condition even outside of searching.Jun 13 03:16
techrights-botInexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 03:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stรฉphane Graber: Inexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later | Tux MachinesJun 13 03:16
MinceR:>Jun 13 03:16
CrystalMath+1 BaronVladimirHar Jun 13 03:17
CrystalMaththe libertarian party is the bestJun 13 03:17
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tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I've just migrated all my tasks and workflows out of the problematic laptopJun 13 03:26
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] don't want to waste any more time on itJun 13 03:26
AdmFubarwhat issues was it giving you?Jun 13 03:27
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] lost of connection, on and offJun 13 03:29
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] lately it was mostly offJun 13 03:29
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] *lossJun 13 03:29
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I tail -f 'messages'Jun 13 03:29
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] the error message is cryptic, wifi.ccJun 13 03:29
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] i very much doubt it is the router's faultJun 13 03:30
AdmFubarnewer wifi? or older?Jun 13 03:31
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] now sure what that meansJun 13 03:32
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] but that started happening a week or more agoJun 13 03:32
AdmFubar2.4 or 5?Jun 13 03:32
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] if it always fails, that's one thingJun 13 03:32
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it also spews out many errors about thermal_zione0Jun 13 03:32
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] warnings ratherJun 13 03:33
AdmFubarhow old is the laptop?Jun 13 03:33
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] so I would not rule out board issue, it's an ARM laptop, 2017Jun 13 03:33
AdmFubarah probably a new wifi band then.. are you in the same room as the router?Jun 13 03:34
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tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] AdmFubar location does not matter, I didn't miss any possible locationJun 13 03:35
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] so signal interference not likelyJun 13 03:35
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] tried outdoors, near router etc.Jun 13 03:35
AdmFubarhow crowded is the wifi spectrum in your area?Jun 13 03:36
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MinceRnot sure if relevant, but when i had a dying 10BASE2 card, it would just drop some of the frames originally, then it would drop more and more until it reached 100%Jun 13 03:58
MinceRmaybe the wifi interface hardware is dyingJun 13 03:59
AdmFubarcould be dying... but I want to make sure everything else is looked at before giving up on it.Jun 13 04:02
AdmFubarneed to pester roy about his videos... ha has his back to a window that is very bright.. it really makes the video look bad..Jun 13 04:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SK Hynix Admits to DRAM Defects, Calls the Cops - SoylentNewsJun 13 04:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GPU Accelerated Password Cracking in the Cloud: Speed and Cost-Effectiveness ยท System OverlordJun 13 04:10
AdmFubardid you see the story about MS pushing an update for windows to fix the issue of it not being able to update?Jun 13 04:12
schestowitzOK, bringing services back upJun 13 04:12
schestowitzdid a shuffleJun 13 04:12
schestowitzalso needed to update dns for ipfs and geminiJun 13 04:12
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schestowitzI've managed to rejoin that laptop to the network after allJun 13 04:13
schestowitzso much hassleJun 13 04:13
schestowitzI should really just move to openwrt one dayJun 13 04:14
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AdmFubarupdate to openwrt. I did that... much nicer.Jun 13 04:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google to Stop Treating EU Antitrust Remedy as a "Promotional Opportunity" - SoylentNewsJun 13 04:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patch Released for 7-Year-Old Privilege Escalation Bug In Linux Service Polkit - SlashdotJun 13 04:19
schestowitzMinceR/AdmFubar do me a favour....Jun 13 04:19
schestowitzI am looking at server side logsJun 13 04:19
schestowitzcan you confirm that:Jun 13 04:19
schestowitz1. '"MinceR!mincer@unaffiliated/mincer PRIVMSG #techrights :not sure if relevant, but when i had a dying 10BASE2 card, it would just drop some of the frames originally, then it would drop more and more until it reached 100%" was the  next message after ":AdmFubar! PRIVMSG #techrights :how crowded is the wifi spectrum in your area?"Jun 13 04:20
schestowitzthat's how the server logger saw itJun 13 04:20
schestowitzI had to do a major overhaul here, scanning channels, removing wifi password (the ISPs make that very hard because sharing is evil blah blah)Jun 13 04:21
AdmFubaryeahJun 13 04:22
AdmFubar 13 04:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook Says It Will Expand Remote Work To All Employees, But May Reduce Pay If They Move To Less-Expensive Area - SlashdotJun 13 04:23
MinceRschestowitz: it was indeed that wayJun 13 04:23
schestowitzthanks!Jun 13 04:24
schestowitzI think we're back in full operation thenJun 13 04:24
AdmFubar 13 04:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New York Senate Passes Landmark Right To Repair Bill - SlashdotJun 13 04:24
BaronVladimirHar<schestowitz "I had to do a major overhaul her"> Dangerous too.Jun 13 04:24
MinceRschestowitz: only a bunch of quits and joins in betweenJun 13 04:24
schestowitzI also made some improvementsJun 13 04:24
BaronVladimirHarIf someone gets on your wifi and starts bittorrenting or downloading CP, watch out.Jun 13 04:24
schestowitzlike more bash scripting to automate the posting to tuxmachines over diasporaJun 13 04:24
BaronVladimirHarThat's why I really lock down my router.Jun 13 04:24
schestowitzthat's what the state saysJun 13 04:24
schestowitzit's also a plausible defend, not that I need oneJun 13 04:25
schestowitzthey want collective accountabilityJun 13 04:25
schestowitzRMS too has long said not to fall for itJun 13 04:25
schestowitzvery inlikely some pedo will park around the home, get close to the wall, just to connect to some open wifi in a home known to have itJun 13 04:25
schestowitzin the past the same ISPs made open wifi very simple to implementJun 13 04:26
schestowitznot they block that or hide away the optionJun 13 04:26
BaronVladimirHarYeah, they're probably like John. In the clear, on Windows 10, while working for the TSA.Jun 13 04:26
schestowitzI managed to find a way around itJun 13 04:26
BaronVladimirHarNothing happened nothing happened.Jun 13 04:26
schestowitzJohn whose employer doesn't careJun 13 04:26
schestowitzTalisa?Jun 13 04:26
BaronVladimirHarHuh?Jun 13 04:26
schestowitzmaybe I should do a video sometims about open wiifiJun 13 04:27
schestowitzBaronVladimirHar: I forgot his surnameJun 13 04:27
schestowitzreported himJun 13 04:27
BaronVladimirHarSalinasJun 13 04:27
schestowitzand they never even bothered replyingJun 13 04:27
schestowitzmaybe they did take some action, but kept me in the dark about it...Jun 13 04:27
BaronVladimirHarHe's not in prison.Jun 13 04:27
schestowitzBaronVladimirHar: still awaiting your request for court docsJun 13 04:27
BaronVladimirHarHe just messaged Mandy on Facebook about the Kia.Jun 13 04:27
schestowitzthe public opinion on Bill Gates shifted a lot since last yearJun 13 04:28
BaronVladimirHarHe wants me to sign over the title fully to him.Jun 13 04:28
schestowitzbbiabJun 13 04:28
BaronVladimirHarI think it's funnier to sit here and let the bankruptcy he forced me into cost him thousands more in car insurance.Jun 13 04:28
schestowitzJust tested ny cron job for 13 04:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Full Videos IndexJun 13 04:28
schestowitzit now gets regenerated every night at 3:10amJun 13 04:28
schestowitzand it seems to work correctlyJun 13 04:28
schestowitzunless there's server crash in that 0.01 second period when the index is redoneJun 13 04:29
BaronVladimirHarMy bankruptcy took out over $100,000 worth of debt, and cost John quite a bit of money too.Jun 13 04:29
BaronVladimirHarMinceR: "Are you saying we just destroyed an Ori mothership, by blowing up a Wraith Hive Ship?"Jun 13 04:29
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–‚โ–„โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–‡โ–โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–„โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–†โ– avg(k/sec) 15.91 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–ˆโ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ–ˆโ–ˆโ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 46.13โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.02  โŸฒJun 13 04:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DarkSide Pwned Colonial With Old VPN Password | ThreatpostJun 13 04:32
BaronVladimirHarOh good. Now Firefox has a bug where scrolling Reddit sometimes jumps back to the top of the page instead of scrolling down.Jun 13 04:32
schestowitzreddit is the bigger bugJun 13 04:35
schestowitzin several senses of the word bugJun 13 04:35
AdmFubar 13 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Hackers Used Slack to Break into EA GamesJun 13 04:37
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AdmFubaruh oh!Jun 13 04:38
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] what? my connection? No, it's OK.Jun 13 04:38
AdmFubar:PJun 13 04:38
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I pressed the wrong button, sent my laptop to sleepJun 13 04:38
BaronVladimirHar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Firefox version history - WikipediaJun 13 04:39
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I need coffee tbh, been a tough nightJun 13 04:39
BaronVladimirHarThere's still quite a few people using Firefox ESR 52.Jun 13 04:39
BaronVladimirHarProbably because of Windows XP.Jun 13 04:39
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] some people not complain they cannot connect to gemini.techrights.orgJun 13 04:39
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] downstream dns changes not there yetJun 13 04:39
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I am going to do some maintenance work todayJun 13 04:40
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] BTW, people are welcome to join the channels at any timeJun 13 04:40
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] no risk of arbitrary k-lines and stuffJun 13 04:40
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] soon we release another explosive part about EPO abusesJun 13 04:41
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] eta 80 minsJun 13 04:41
BaronVladimirHarMDN source and bug tracking is now on GitHub.Jun 13 04:42
BaronVladimirHarNot even using their own tools anymore.Jun 13 04:42
BaronVladimirHarI think Mozilla got rid of their own infrastructure for build bots and just runs that on Azure now.Jun 13 04:43
BaronVladimirHar 13 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ConsumertardJun 13 04:45
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] yes, mdn was outsourced like thatJun 13 04:46
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] but mozilla was compromised long before thisJun 13 04:46
schestowitz__BaronVladimirHar: if you are not on matrix now... are you? .... might want to join our network directlyJun 13 04:47
BaronVladimirHarYou really can't expect persistence if I use IRC directly.Jun 13 04:47
BaronVladimirHarI have a laptop.Jun 13 04:47
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] you mean buffered messages?Jun 13 04:48
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] from when you were offline?Jun 13 04:48
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] that would mean outsourced servicesJun 13 04:48
BaronVladimirHarYeah.Jun 13 04:49
BaronVladimirHar"On the brighter side, with this technology consumertards will earn their Darwin awards as they go splat when their car drives off a cliff. "Jun 13 04:49
BaronVladimirHarNot worried about this so much as them driving into me and destroying my car and then trying to make it my fault somehow.Jun 13 04:49
BaronVladimirHarBut there's plenty of people out there now who manage this without a computer.Jun 13 04:50
BaronVladimirHarI was nearly hit by a guy with a back the blue (police) sticker on his SUV that went across two lanes because the idiot figured out he was about to miss his ramp.Jun 13 04:50
BaronVladimirHarEarlierJun 13 04:50
BaronVladimirHar 13 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEJun 13 04:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] ohJun 13 04:53
BaronVladimirHar 13 04:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | My OpinionsJun 13 04:55
BaronVladimirHar"ComcastJun 13 04:55
BaronVladimirHarComcast is Evil. I still miss TechTV. They murdered it. There is nothing on anymore. And the cable bill kept going up and up and up and up and up! Finally I canceled the stupid thing. Think I'll go read a book instead."Jun 13 04:55
BaronVladimirHar:)Jun 13 04:55
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tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Ye can make it persistent through a NickServ-configurable feature.Jun 13 05:04
BaronVladimirHarI can?Jun 13 05:05
BaronVladimirHarI don't usually know about things that didn't exist 20 years ago.Jun 13 05:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2020 Presidential DebateJun 13 05:06
BaronVladimirHar"It does worry me that this appointee comes across as a religious nut, but then so do most people."Jun 13 05:06
BaronVladimirHar"Does biden really even want to be president? Biden comes across as a hapless muppit who was pulled out just to take a beating. If you listen to the media, you won't even know that Jo Jorgensen, the Libertarian Presidential Candidate for 2020, even exists."Jun 13 05:08
BaronVladimirHarHapless muppet, sure. Deranged lunatic? We already had that.Jun 13 05:08
BaronVladimirHarWasn't much of a choice, really.Jun 13 05:08
BaronVladimirHarTell me how Nickserv can replay the messages I missed.Jun 13 05:09
BaronVladimirHarThe only reason I even use Matrix is because it can do that.Jun 13 05:09
schestowitz__you can use a vpsJun 13 05:09
schestowitz__of some kindJun 13 05:09
schestowitz__I can set something up for youJun 13 05:09
BaronVladimirHarThe fucking limp wristed CoC liberals that run Matrix keep banning me.Jun 13 05:09
BaronVladimirHarAnonymously, of course.Jun 13 05:09
schestowitz__you can even follow irc with tail -fJun 13 05:10
schestowitz__or...Jun 13 05:10
schestowitz__maybe we should set up gemini and www to display channel in real timeJun 13 05:10
schestowitz__ishJun 13 05:10
BaronVladimirHarMatrix is worse than random k-lining.Jun 13 05:10
schestowitz__it would be super easy for me to set upJun 13 05:11
BaronVladimirHarThey get you time and time again and just completely ruin everything that you were bridged into as well.Jun 13 05:11
schestowitz__do you want scrollback in gemini or www? I can do eitherJun 13 05:11
schestowitz__(or both)Jun 13 05:12
BaronVladimirHarHmm. Probably easier on the web.Jun 13 05:14
BaronVladimirHarJust because I have a browser open anyway all the time.Jun 13 05:14
BaronVladimirHarI'm going to plant myself on Firefox ESR 91 when it comes out.Jun 13 05:14
BaronVladimirHarThe rolling release has turned into a major version bump that mostly adds nothing anyway.Jun 13 05:15
BaronVladimirHarFeatures that aren't that important, are counterproductive, or make the entire thing less stable. Or more than one of those.Jun 13 05:15
BaronVladimirHarIt amazes me how little they seem to improve it yet how badly web apps malfunction after Seamonkey has been stuck a couple ESRs behind.Jun 13 05:16
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–ƒโ–…โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–‡โ–…โ–‚โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 24.11 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 6.00โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.08  โŸฒJun 13 05:20
schestowitz__BaronVladimirHar: in progressJun 13 05:20
BaronVladimirHarFirefox on Android is getting so much worse.Jun 13 05:22
BaronVladimirHarThere's only like 10 extensions on it that even work now because of GeckoView and the list isn't really growing,Jun 13 05:23
schestowitz__BaronVladimirHar: 13 05:23
schestowitz__there, for you...Jun 13 05:23
BaronVladimirHarI used to install Bypass Paywalls. Can't now. They removed cookie controls.Jun 13 05:23
schestowitz__I can set that up to refresh every x minutesJun 13 05:23
BaronVladimirHarMuch better. Thank you.Jun 13 05:24
schestowitz__gemini isn't a priority for this kind of thingJun 13 05:24
schestowitz__I will cron it nowJun 13 05:24
BaronVladimirHarCan you do a thing where instead of posting daily links you just link to the section where it starts in that scrollback?Jun 13 05:24
BaronVladimirHarMight kill two birds here.Jun 13 05:24
schestowitz__*/5 * * * *Jun 13 05:25
schestowitz__crontab: installing new crontabJun 13 05:26
BaronVladimirHarDoes your IRC server support SSL and on what port?Jun 13 05:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | WinWorld: DR DOS 8.xJun 13 05:31
schestowitz__BaronVladimirHar: added to 13 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC Channels | TechrightsJun 13 05:31
schestowitz__at the topJun 13 05:31
schestowitz__BaronVladimirHar: the usual portJun 13 05:31
BaronVladimirHarLOL "Shortly after release, it was discovered 8.1 as well as 8.0 contained works from FreeDOS, none of which were credited and source was not provided. When the FreeDOS project pointed out this was a GPL violation, DR-DOS, Inc pulled both 8.1 and 8.0 from the market."Jun 13 05:31
schestowitz__it has the option of non-ssl tooJun 13 05:31
schestowitz__logging instructions and latest in the channel shown in that pageJun 13 05:32
schestowitz__gemini is still not popular enough to justify the disk i/o overheadJun 13 05:33
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Oh god, he is here.Jun 13 05:35
schestowitz__he is, he is...Jun 13 05:36
schestowitz__just be polite, OK?Jun 13 05:36
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Yeah. I didn't notice on the Matrix bridge.Jun 13 05:37
schestowitz__we are now discussing internally if or how to do the same in geminiJun 13 05:39
schestowitz__the matrix bridge sees only freenodeJun 13 05:39
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] let's see if I can enhance the lastlog thingJun 13 05:40
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] though it is plain textJun 13 05:40
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I'm getting used to HexChat again. The Windows 10 Store App turned out to be crippleware nonsense. Not because they wanted it to be, but because of the limitations from Microsoft.Jun 13 05:40
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I guess raw log is simple and good enoughJun 13 05:40
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] the daily logs already do the fancier things regardlessJun 13 05:40
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*schestowitz has changed the topic to: IRC discussions @ Freenode | Channel #techrights for [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. Official channels are at | For scrollback see 13 05:42
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I suppose I could just point gemini at the www page for scroll backJun 13 05:43
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] That takes care of installing my preferred color scheme.Jun 13 05:43
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I take it Mozilla shut down their IRC server.Jun 13 05:44
samiamsamRedfoxmoon: DR-DOS.      man.  what kind of person would do that.Jun 13 05:44
samiamsami meant to type re: Jun 13 05:45
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Someone who wanted a stolen DOS product to sell as a "legacy computing solution".Jun 13 05:47
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] To some suits who didn't know what FreeDOS was.Jun 13 05:47
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tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] gemini:// 13 05:48
samiamsami really just don't understand how someone who is developing the commercial product DR DOS could carry out the behavior of just cut and pasting code from FreeDOS.  wtf is going on in your head while you are pasting that. Jun 13 05:48
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] there!Jun 13 05:48
samiamsamprobably some kind of desperation i guess.  can't be much money in DR DOSJun 13 05:49
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] samiamsam, "Ctrl+C Ctrl+V..." over and over.Jun 13 05:49
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Getting paid to do it.Jun 13 05:49
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It's 2021 and FreeDOS has a package manager that's more useful than the one in Windows.Jun 13 05:50
schestowitzcubexyz keeps a longterm long in 13 05:51
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tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] cubexyz: are you ok with me linking to that page?Jun 13 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software freedom isnโ€™t about licenses โ€“ itโ€™s about power - LinuxReviewsJun 13 05:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stale Open Source Code Rampant in Commercial Software: Report | LinuxInsiderJun 13 05:54
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] is that black duck FUD?Jun 13 05:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] did not click but the title seems familiarJun 13 05:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Black Duck - TechrightsJun 13 05:57
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] they're a Microsoft proxyJun 13 05:57
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] anti-GPL mostlyJun 13 05:57
techrights-bot#Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, June 12, 2021 full archive: #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextJun 13 05:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Hearing On Case G1/21 Has Been Postponed Until 2 July 2021 Following A Procedural Objection - Litigation, Mediation & Arbitration - UKJun 13 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | TechrightsJun 13 05:59
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AdmFubarok off to bed   night allJun 13 06:09
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] schestowitz, Yes, Mozilla did delete their IRC server.Jun 13 06:15
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] That's nice. They're on Matrix now discussing what's going on at GitHub.Jun 13 06:15
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–ƒโ–„โ–„โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–‡โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–‡โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 26.26 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 6.31โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.12  โŸฒJun 13 06:20
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–…โ–†โ–‚โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–‡โ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–โ–†โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–‡โ–†โ–†โ–‡โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 25.60 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 20.43โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.17  โŸฒJun 13 07:20
schestowitzMinceR: writing about 13 07:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Great Hungarian Plain - WikipediaJun 13 07:22
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] MinceR: 13 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Virtual Injustice โ€” Part 5: Benoรฎtโ€™s โ€œFriendsโ€ in Budapest | TechrightsJun 13 07:32
techrights-botVirtual Injustice -- Part 5: Benoรฎt's โ€œFriendsโ€ in #Budapest #hungary #epo #corruption #upc @zoobbabJun 13 07:33
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tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Richard Stallman wrote on 13/06/2021 04:19:Jun 13 07:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] >   > I am more than happy to help towards an outcome wherein the FSF (and FSFJun 13 07:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] >   > alone) is in control of its communications.Jun 13 07:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] >Jun 13 07:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] > It would take more work -- and we are already overloaded with crises.Jun 13 07:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] > I think the FSF and GNU people made a good-enough decision.Jun 13 07:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] >Jun 13 07:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] > You can forward this to Rianne (someone I don't know)Jun 13 07:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] > but I don't have a key for her, so I am sending it to you two.Jun 13 07:53
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–ƒโ–…โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–‚โ–…โ–‡โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 26.20 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–ƒโ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 6.18โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.23  โŸฒJun 13 08:20
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techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #Vice #Hardware โ˜ž New York Senate Passes Electronics Right-to-Repair Legislation 13 09:05
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techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TheRegisterUK #Hardware โ˜ž New York State Senate first to pass landmark right-to-repair bill โ€“ but don't go popping the champagne just yet 13 09:05
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techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #BBC #Health โ˜ž Covid: Is there a limit to how much worse variants can get? 13 09:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Covid: Is there a limit to how much worse variants can get? - BBC NewsJun 13 09:07
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #NBC #ProprietarySoftware โ˜ž The FBI's seizing one bitcoin wallet won't stop ransomware โ€” but it's a start 13 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The FBI's seizing one bitcoin wallet won't stop ransomware โ€” but it's a startJun 13 09:09
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware โ˜ž Oversight chair presses #JBS on why it paid ransom over cyberattack 13 09:10
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techrights-botKDE Frameworks 5.83 Brings More Than 200 Changes, Improves Support for Flatpak Apps โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 09:11
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techrights-botGoogle #Android Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 13 09:11
techrights-bot๐•‹๐•–๐•”๐•™๐•ฃ๐•š๐•˜๐•™๐•ฅ๐•ค #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 12, 2021 โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 13 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 12, 2021 | TechrightsJun 13 09:13
techrights-botโ€œ #Battistelli went to considerable lengths to secure the support of the Hungarian delegation.โ€ โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #EPO #Europe | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 13 09:15
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TheVerge #Confidentiality โ˜ž McDonaldโ€™s suffers data breach in the US, South Korea, and Taiwan 13 09:19
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–†โ–ƒโ–…โ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ–…โ–‡โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–‚โ–‚โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–โ–„โ–„โ– avg(k/sec) 23.63 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 22.20โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.28  โŸฒJun 13 09:20
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techrights-botJen Wike Huger has run out of things to write about (except paid-for #ibm #marketing pieces). So it goes like... what can I write about? I like cooking and food, so let's make it sound like particular breakfasts go together with... sharing your code? Second time in a week... 13 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-10 go-to breakfasts for open source technologists today | Opensource.comJun 13 09:25
techrights-botIntel's #ConnMan 1.40, #IWD 1.15 Released For Linux Networking - Phoronix โš“ ไท‰ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux ๐ŸงJun 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's ConnMan 1.40, IWD 1.15 Released For Linux Networking - PhoronixJun 13 09:29
techrights-bot3.5-inch SBC targets industrial applications with 9-36V wide-range DC-in - CNX Software โš“ ไท‰ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in 13 09:31
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techrights-botUpdate on #Gemini , #IPFS , and #IRC โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 13 10:11
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*Topic for #techrights is: IRC discussions @ Freenode | Channel #techrights for [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. Official channels are at | For scrollback see 13 10:37
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tr-bridge[immibis/tr] freenode hijacked #fsf and #gnu. Can someone tell me the new /topics, because apparently they are interestingJun 13 11:15
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ–†โ–†โ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–†โ–„โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–‡โ–†โ–†โ–‡โ–…โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 24.60 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 21.01โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.32  โŸฒJun 13 11:21
gustafimmibis/tr: #fsf: "Unofficial IRC community channel for the FSF | Chat about free software | Transitional details of the official channel: | List of official channels:"Jun 13 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network โ€” Free Software Foundation โ€” Working together for free softwareJun 13 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU and FSF related IRC channels - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationJun 13 11:24
gustaf#gnu: "Community IRC channel for the GNU Project | Discuss or ask questions about any GNU-related software, or the GPL."Jun 13 11:24
gustafthis was the original takeover topic change:Jun 13 11:26
gustaf2021-06-13 06:57:47     --      ChanServ has changed topic for #fsf from "Free Software Foundation | The FSF and GNU are transitioning their official project channels to Read more about the decision and our rationale: | Member forum: <> | Watch the LP2021 videos: <> | Ops: johnsu01 (FSF executiveJun 13 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software FoundationCentral LoginJun 13 11:26
gustafdirector), ggoes (FSF campaigns manager)" to "Chat about free software | Looking forhthe FSF? Thn FSF his moved -"Jun 13 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU MediaGoblinJun 13 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Letter to the FSF About Taking Control of the FSFโ€™s (and GNUโ€™s) IRC Channels | TechrightsJun 13 11:26
gustafpeople didn't feel the Techrights link was appropriate so it was eventually removed Jun 13 11:27
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] so that's what people were talking about with the techrights link. It does seem really really strange to link techrights to that takeoverJun 13 11:27
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] what does techrights have to do with it?Jun 13 11:27
gustafggoes mentioned that adminning their own IRC server was out of the questionJun 13 11:27
gustafthe topic was set by 'root', which seems to be rasenganJun 13 11:28
gustaflemme know if you want a copy of my logs Jun 13 11:29
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] depends if they are popcorn-worthyJun 13 11:29
gustafnot really Jun 13 11:29
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] remind me why the freenode techrights channel says to support freenodeJun 13 11:38
schestowitz[11:27] <gustaf> people didn't feel the Techrights link was appropriate so it was eventually removed Jun 13 11:40
schestowitzRemoved from where?Jun 13 11:40
schestowitzIRC links cannot be removedJun 13 11:40
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] from the topic of #fsfJun 13 11:41
schestowitz* Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).Jun 13 11:41
schestowitz* schestowitz_log_ already in use. Retrying with schestowitz_log_...Jun 13 11:41
schestowitz* schestowitz_log_ already in use. Retrying with schestowitz_log__...Jun 13 11:41
schestowitz* Nickname already in use. Use /NICK to try another.Jun 13 11:41
schestowitz* Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).Jun 13 11:41
schestowitz>nickserv< identify ****Jun 13 11:41
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schestowitz* schestowitz_log sets mode +R schestowitz_logJun 13 11:41
schestowitz* schestowitz_log sets mode +i schestowitz_logJun 13 11:41
schestowitzThis does not seem rightJun 13 11:41
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] gustaf: but wait. They actually put a signpost in the topic themselves? lolJun 13 11:42
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] someone should tell them that violates freenode poilcyJun 13 11:42
schestowitz10:37AM GMT Jun 13 11:42
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] maybe the prince decided he didn't like your logging botJun 13 11:42
schestowitzwow, FSF put a link to Techrights in the channel topic?Jun 13 11:42
gustafyesJun 13 11:43
gustafwell noJun 13 11:43
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] yes? scroll up a little bit and look at gustaf's messageJun 13 11:43
gustafFreenode staff didJun 13 11:43
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] oh rightJun 13 11:43
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] no, it wasn't the FSFJun 13 11:43
gustafafter removing the FSF rep as owners of the channelJun 13 11:43
gustafFSF no longer controls #fsfJun 13 11:43
gustafon FReenodeJun 13 11:43
gustaf 13 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Software Foundation (fsf)'s status on Sunday, 13-Jun-2021 05:05:28 UTC - status.fsf.orgJun 13 11:44
schestowitzwhoever is in charge of the network is self-immolating and has ZERO grasp of the Free software community, maybe of IRC also...Jun 13 11:45
gustaf#python was taken over too Jun 13 11:46
techrights-bot#freenode kids found a pistol, put the pistol to their own heads 13 11:46
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #IndiaTimes #Monopolies โ˜ž Breaking up Big Tech in focus as new U.S. #antitrust bills introduced 13 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | google: Breaking up Big Tech in focus as new U.S. antitrust bills introduced, IT News, ET CIOJun 13 11:47
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TheVerge #Monopolies โ˜ž House lawmakers introduce five bipartisan bills to unwind tech #monopolies 13 11:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | House lawmakers introduce five bipartisan bills to unwind tech monopolies - The VergeJun 13 11:48
gustaf2021-06-13 08:01:05       ggoes   CrystalMath: i just got an email from rms saying we made the right decision; funny how that worksJun 13 11:49
gustaftimes in CESTJun 13 11:49
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #Bloomberg #Copyrights #Copyright โ˜ž Virtual Singers Headline Multibillion-Dollar Industry in China 13 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Jun 13 11:49
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] schestowitz: isn't that what people have been saying for the last few weeks?Jun 13 11:49
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] ... and you've been denying for the last few weeks? or have I gotten mixed up?Jun 13 11:49
schestowitzit didn't happen overnightJun 13 11:51
schestowitzthey clearly don't know what they're doing...Jun 13 11:51
schestowitzand only make it worse, starting with 700 channels being confiscatedJun 13 11:51
schestowitzLee said me it was a mistake and they would clarifyJun 13 11:51
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] and, many people said it was not a mistake, and they are just saving face by saying it's a mistake, and they will continue doing similar things because it is not a mistakeJun 13 11:53
schestowitzno, we assess the situationJun 13 11:53
schestowitzthe assessment is changing over timeJun 13 11:53
schestowitzeither way, masters in IRC are not a good idea in generalJun 13 11:53
schestowitz"irc cops" or owner copsJun 13 11:54
schestowitzeither way, you're at the mercy of something else and for many years in techrights we advocated against itJun 13 11:54
schestowitzthat's why we self-host videos, for example, and don't upload anywhere elseJun 13 11:54
schestowitzFSF announced migration late on FridayJun 13 11:57
schestowitztoday is Sunday earlyJun 13 11:57
schestowitzso not even a whole business day to digest the newsJun 13 11:57
schestowitzmaybe 0 hours of a business dayJun 13 11:57
schestowitzI am going to check the FSF channel to see what's going onJun 13 11:57
schestowitz[11:57] *** The channel topic is "Unofficial IRC community channel for the FSF | Chat about free software | Transitional details of the official channel: | List of official channels:".Jun 13 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network โ€” Free Software Foundation โ€” Working together for free softwareJun 13 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU and FSF related IRC channels - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationJun 13 11:58
schestowitzis that not what they set it to?Jun 13 11:58
schestowitz225 people still there, or "users"Jun 13 11:58
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] gustaf seems to have more logsJun 13 11:58
schestowitzso clearly not many have had the chance to moveJun 13 11:58
schestowitzI just need clarity and factsJun 13 11:58
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] which facts? is it not clear that #fsf is now controlled by freenode staff instead of FSF staff?Jun 13 11:59
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights โ˜ž #WhatsApp Does Not Have To Immediately Suspend Accounts Reported For Piracy 13 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WhatsApp Does Not Have To Immediately Suspend Accounts Reported For Piracy * TorrentFreakJun 13 11:59
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] check the chanserv access list perhapsJun 13 11:59
schestowitzwhat time exactly did this happen?Jun 13 12:00
schestowitzI want to compare to other eventsJun 13 12:00
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] i think about 7 hours ago?Jun 13 12:00
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] based on when people started talking about it on liberaJun 13 12:00
schestowitzthe schestowitz_log account lost the connection along with many other amid netsplitJun 13 12:01
schestowitzso I doubt anything nefarious thereJun 13 12:01
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] FSF were kicked off freenodeJun 13 12:01
gustaf2021-06-13 06:45:57     --      Mode #fsf [-o ggoes] by OperServJun 13 12:01
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] amin bandali, a dear friend of mine, k-linedJun 13 12:01
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] 4:49:41 UTCJun 13 12:01
gustafCEST Jun 13 12:01
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] stop defending andrewJun 13 12:01
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] you are just looking stupidJun 13 12:01
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] Ariadne: I think schestowitz is starting to come around to the fact that andrewnet is not a good networkJun 13 12:01
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] Ariadne: don't jinx itJun 13 12:01
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i am frustrated, but unsurprised by all of thisJun 13 12:02
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schestowitzmind you, the situation today isn't the same as a week agoJun 13 12:02
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] yes it isJun 13 12:03
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] everything has played out exactly as i predicted it wouldJun 13 12:03
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gustafCESTJun 13 12:03
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] indeed, the situation is pretty much how everyone expected except for you. There is just more evidence to back that expectation nowJun 13 12:03
gustafI'll be happy to upload my logs to an appropriate site Jun 13 12:03
schestowitz11:14 AM I guessJun 13 12:04
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] perhaps you were inexperienced in understanding the ways petty tyrants thinkJun 13 12:04
schestowitz50  mins agoJun 13 12:04
schestowitzhalf an hour after the netsplitJun 13 12:04
schestowitzgustaf: yes, pleaseJun 13 12:05
schestowitzI want to see the conversation/context that led to this actionJun 13 12:05
schestowitz(not that it is OK)Jun 13 12:05
schestowitzmaybe several hours priorJun 13 12:05
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] the conversation would have happened on #staffJun 13 12:06
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] unfortunately staff are NDA'd so i doubt you will be seeing itJun 13 12:06
gustaflemme try to get it onto some gistsJun 13 12:06
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] but i can imagine it went like thisJun 13 12:06
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CommonDreams โ˜ž #G7 Promotes Tax Deal for the 1%โ€”Not the 99% 13 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Opinion | G7 Promotes Tax Deal for the 1%โ€”Not the 99% | Josรฉ Antonio OcampoJun 13 12:06
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] <rasengan> FUCK THE FSF, LETS MAKE IRC GREAT AGAINJun 13 12:06
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CommonDreams #Patents โ˜ž Lack of #Patent Waiver Would Add Over $70 Billion to Cost of Vaccinating World: #Oxfam 13 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lack of Patent Waiver Would Add Over $70 Billion to Cost of Vaccinating World: Oxfam | Common Dreams NewsJun 13 12:06
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] <some other dude> YEAH GREATJun 13 12:06
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] i imagine there was no conversation. Channel moves to libera => seize channel. Job done. No discussion needed.Jun 13 12:06
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] <some other other dude> LETS SICK THAT FREENODECOM BOT ON ITJun 13 12:07
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] Ariadne: hyperbole does not help your caseJun 13 12:07
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] immibis: nah they chatted about EVERYTHING like that in #staffJun 13 12:07
schestowitzit makes it sound real, but can mislead some peopleJun 13 12:07
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i guarantee youJun 13 12:07
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] rasenganJun 13 12:07
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] i'm gonna need some evidence before i believe staff are that stupid, i know they're stupid, but not *so* stupid they feel the need to circlejerk about it in their private channelJun 13 12:08
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] said something like "fuck the fsf, lets make irc great again"Jun 13 12:08
schestowitzPIA was the buggest sponsor of FSF last year, so that must have hurtJun 13 12:08
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i spent all of last year with him on my testnetJun 13 12:08
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] schestowitz: PIA is owned by kape since 2018Jun 13 12:08
schestowitzI knowJun 13 12:08
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] not andrewJun 13 12:08
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] andrew thinks he can buy whatever he wants with moneyJun 13 12:08
schestowitzanyway, let's see if gustaf can show logsJun 13 12:08
schestowitznoJun 13 12:09
schestowitzwith debtJun 13 12:09
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] bought freenode, tried to buy the FSF, tried to buy fosshostJun 13 12:09
gustafI'll include the #freenode logs I have too, 12-13 JunJun 13 12:09
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] analysis of the court filings show a lot of this is actually debt like schestowitz saysJun 13 12:09
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] (tried to buy freenode, if you consider that all he really got was a domain name)Jun 13 12:09
gustafagain, good place to upload these to ? Jun 13 12:09
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #MintPressNews โ˜ž Jessica Ashooh: The Taming of #Reddit and the National Security State Plant Tabbed to Do It 13 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jessica Ashooh: The Taming of Reddit and the National Security State Plant Tabbed to Do ItJun 13 12:09
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] anywayJun 13 12:10
gustafGH gist doesn't seem to be good for bigger files Jun 13 12:10
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] schestowitz you can't support andrew after he took over the FSF channelsJun 13 12:10
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] like, that is justJun 13 12:10
schestowitzgustaf: thanksJun 13 12:10
schestowitzI want to see what led up to itJun 13 12:10
schestowitzthey didn't take action the whole of saturdayJun 13 12:11
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] what led up to it is that andrew felt like doing itJun 13 12:11
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] probably on a whimJun 13 12:11
schestowitzgustaf: size?Jun 13 12:11
schestowitzof file?Jun 13 12:11
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i think he feeds on the dramaJun 13 12:11
schestowitzno github pleaseJun 13 12:11
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] makes him feel importantJun 13 12:11
gustaf225KB zippedJun 13 12:11
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] I don't think so. I think he just likes having power and doesn't like people leaving his sphere of powerJun 13 12:12
schestowitzemail to r@schestowitz   comJun 13 12:12
gustaffair warning you're gonna get an email from gmail ;)Jun 13 12:12
schestowitzI want to see the logs before I can make up my mind fullyJun 13 12:12
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i meanJun 13 12:12
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] admittedlyJun 13 12:12
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i have not seen the logs eitherJun 13 12:12
schestowitzbecause a network that doesn't respect free expression if problematicJun 13 12:12
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i just woke up to "oh, #fsf got taken over"Jun 13 12:12
schestowitzgustaf: I will open email after you send the #fsf logsJun 13 12:13
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] can we not estimate that #fsf was taken over for the *exact same reason* as *every other channel* that was taken over?Jun 13 12:13
schestowitzthe blowback from such takeover it epic-ly higherJun 13 12:13
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] immibis: i think it is likely yesJun 13 12:14
schestowitzthe sooner the realise it, the better, but beyond inflection point alreadyJun 13 12:14
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] especially since the channel met the same preconditions as all the other channels?Jun 13 12:14
gustafbbl lunchJun 13 12:14
techrights-bot#freenode has taken over the #fsf channel and K-lined some FSF people (at least an emeritus) (recent logs, will change over time)Jun 13 12:15
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i can tell you thisJun 13 12:16
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] bandali did not do anything wrongJun 13 12:16
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] and should not  have been k-linedJun 13 12:16
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] he is a person of outstanding moral characterJun 13 12:17
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] character witnesses are worthlessJun 13 12:18
schestowitz2021-06-12 23:34:11โ†immibis (~immibis@ has quit (K-Lined)Jun 13 12:19
schestowitzthis cannot be fakedJun 13 12:19
schestowitzmust have been something said in another channelJun 13 12:19
schestowitzas there is no activity in #FSF from that person in preceding hoursJun 13 12:20
schestowitzmaybe they draw up a "freenode enemies list"Jun 13 12:20
schestowitz2021-06-13 02:21:27โ†rbraun (vaF3IrtE@gateway/shell/ has quit (K-Lined)Jun 13 12:20
schestowitzwe also saw it here in this channelJun 13 12:20
schestowitz2021-06-13 02:34:05โ†yano (~yano@unaffiliated/yano) has quit (K-Lined)Jun 13 12:21
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schestowitz2021-06-13 06:28:38โ†’cyndaquil (~job@ has joined #fsfJun 13 12:22
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schestowitz2021-06-13 07:14:51โ†bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined)Jun 13 12:22
schestowitz2021-06-13 08:15:35oaken-sourceggoes: have you asked in #freenode to have the /topic line changed?Jun 13 12:22
schestowitz2021-06-13 08:15:54ggoesi'd rather not be k-lined tonightJun 13 12:22
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schestowitz2021-06-13 08:49:31โ†KindOne (kindone@unaffiliated/kindone) has quit (K-Lined)Jun 13 12:23
schestowitzwasn't that staff?Jun 13 12:23
schestowitz2021-06-13 09:01:40โ†xkcn (travankor@gateway/shell/ has quit (K-Lined)Jun 13 12:23
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tr-bridge[immibis/tr] indeed, they are banning freenode enemies, ironically while claiming they do not censor people. Typical fascist tacticJun 13 12:23
schestowitzI wonder if someone smoked something or masturbated while doing all those purgesJun 13 12:23
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] not every pleasure is sexual, schestowitzJun 13 12:24
schestowitzit's a losing strtagey and it won't workJun 13 12:24
schestowitzany person they kill amplifies the blowbackJun 13 12:24
schestowitzhydra styleJun 13 12:24
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] when has fascism ever worked?Jun 13 12:24
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] be glad these people only have control of an IRC network and not a countryJun 13 12:24
schestowitzI didn't say it was sexual, that's why I joked about narcoticsJun 13 12:24
schestowitzit's short-sighted gratification to kick someone outJun 13 12:25
schestowitzreading on...Jun 13 12:25
schestowitzit doesn't say if those people got banned for saying something in another channelJun 13 12:25
schestowitzbut the removals were many this morningJun 13 12:25
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] they got banned for being freenode enemies in other channelsJun 13 12:25
schestowitznot in bulkJun 13 12:25
schestowitzspecific and surgicalJun 13 12:26
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] if you criticize freenode, you get banned. One of them got banned for writing a chit saying rasengan deleted his previous chit (which was true)Jun 13 12:26
schestowitz2021-06-13 06:44:35TheRedHorsemano/Jun 13 12:26
schestowitzThat's "eskimo" in the #fsf channelJun 13 12:26
schestowitzwith a new nicknameJun 13 12:26
schestowitzdoes he still have oper powers in freenode/Jun 13 12:27
schestowitz2021-06-13 06:45:02 *TheRedHorseman trots around in a circle, eyes gleaming red in the darkJun 13 12:27
schestowitz2021-06-13 06:46:56bandali^Jun 13 12:27
schestowitz2021-06-13 06:48:20TheRedHorsemanNO MORE SMEAR CAMPAIGNSJun 13 12:28
schestowitz2021-06-13 06:48:28TheRedHorsemanYOU OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITIES YOU SERVEJun 13 12:28
schestowitzshouting always worksJun 13 12:28
schestowitz2021-06-13 06:57:47--ChanServ has changed topic for #fsf from "Free Software Foundation | The FSF and GNU are transitioning their official project channels to Read more about the decision and our rationale: | Member forum: <> | Watch the LP2021 videos: <> | Ops: johnsu01 (FSF executive director), ggoes (FSF campaigns manager)" to "Chat about Jun 13 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network โ€” Free Software Foundation โ€” Working together for free softwareJun 13 12:28
schestowitzfree software | Looking for the FSF? The FSF has moved -"Jun 13 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software FoundationCentral LoginJun 13 12:28
schestowitzThat was 9 minutes laterJun 13 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU MediaGoblinJun 13 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Letter to the FSF About Taking Control of the FSFโ€™s (and GNUโ€™s) IRC Channels | TechrightsJun 13 12:28
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] the chit thingJun 13 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-* habnabit__ ( has joined - Pastebin.comJun 13 12:29
schestowitzI have to goJun 13 12:30
schestowitzmy popcorn is readyJun 13 12:30
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:02:39bandalilol at least link an article that contains a link to the actual official announcement by the fsfJun 13 12:30
schestowitz[12:22] <schestowitz> 2021-06-13 07:14:51 โ† bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined)Jun 13 12:30
schestowitzso that was 11 minutes laterJun 13 12:31
schestowitzbefore the "horse" knocked him overJun 13 12:31
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:04:21rootPutting spam in the topic is not permitted.Jun 13 12:31
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:04:30bandalidefine spamJun 13 12:31
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:05:23bandaliso now the official announcement by the fsf is spam?Jun 13 12:31
schestowitzso it was all about the topicJun 13 12:31
schestowitzcalling it spamJun 13 12:31
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:05:51rootThe official announcement from "FSF" is on their website.Jun 13 12:31
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:05:51rootThe official announcement from "FSF" is on their website.Jun 13 12:32
schestowitzhuh?Jun 13 12:32
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] rasengan has been very consistent that pointing people to other IRC networks is considered spamJun 13 12:32
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:06:02dragestiltechrights is spamJun 13 12:32
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:06:05bandaliso what's spam?Jun 13 12:32
schestowitzwho is dragestil?Jun 13 12:32
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] he was forced to allow a loophole via the official website of the project because otherwise he couldn't maintain the fiction that it was all about spam all alongJun 13 12:32
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:06:09bandalitechrights is spam? then delete itJun 13 12:33
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:06:12root#fsf is an IRC channel on the freenode IRC network where use is a privilege not a right.Jun 13 12:33
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:06:18CrystalMathtechrights is not spamJun 13 12:33
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:06:23bandaliwhat the fuck does that mean?Jun 13 12:33
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] i think s/he means techrights in the topic of #fsf is more spammy than the official move announcement was, and that announcement was removed for "spam", therefore the techrights link should also be removed for "spam"Jun 13 12:33
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:06:25rootCode of Conduct is outlined on the freenode policy page.  It's QUITE lengthy!Jun 13 12:33
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:06:32rootLet me shareJun 13 12:33
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:06:37ggoeswhile we're making announcements | 13 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Fndn. (@fsf): "Despite our plans for a gradual transition, FSF staff and GNU volunteers are no longer in control of the #fsf and #gnu channels on the Freenode network. Please find us at instead." | FDNitterJun 13 12:33
schestowitzSo now freenode has a Code of ConductJun 13 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsf: "Despite our plans for a gradual transition, FSF sโ€ฆ" - Hostux.socialJun 13 12:34
schestowitzthat says techrights links are spam or something? Who is dragestil?Jun 13 12:34
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:06:45rootNo spamming or scammingJun 13 12:34
schestowitzLOLJun 13 12:34
schestowitzwhat did Kape do?Jun 13 12:34
schestowitzbefore the rename?Jun 13 12:34
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:07:01bandalithank you ggoesJun 13 12:35
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:07:15bandalilol no flooding, then proceeds to flood the channel. niceJun 13 12:35
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schestowitzI think I see what begets the k-line thenJun 13 12:35
schestowitzit it was def. about the channel topic changeJun 13 12:35
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] schestowitz: the code of conduct is to not redirect people to other networksJun 13 12:35
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:10:41dragestilI'm dropping my nick now, bye everyoneJun 13 12:35
schestowitzimmibis: so now they have a CoCoJun 13 12:36
schestowitz?Jun 13 12:36
schestowitz*CoCJun 13 12:36
schestowitzand at the same time oppose cancel culture?Jun 13 12:36
CrystalMathschestowitz: no, this is the ToSJun 13 12:36
schestowitzWe all saw how a CoC is used for exactly those sorts of witch huntsJun 13 12:36
schestowitzGNU/FSF REJECT a CoCJun 13 12:36
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] You appear to be trying to deduce the *hidden* rule set that freenode staff use, but for some reason, you are going to great lengths to make the deductions that cast the freenode staff in the most favourable possible light.Jun 13 12:36
CrystalMathschestowitz: he pasted the entire "code of conduct"Jun 13 12:36
schestowitzCrystalMath: that links to birdsite/nitterJun 13 12:37
schestowitzis there an official freenode page?Jun 13 12:37
schestowitzthat's now some random quip somewhere in an NSA site?Jun 13 12:37
schestowitz2021-06-13 07:11:32stonecoldroot: is this your second or third line of cocaine buddy?Jun 13 12:37
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schestowitz"Disconnected by services)"Jun 13 12:37
schestowitzI will scan the logs on that tooJun 13 12:37
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] schestowitz: here is the CoCJun 13 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Policies - freenodeJun 13 12:38
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] No spamming or scamming / No flooding / No promotion of violence / No illegal pornographic material / freenode staff may disconnect clients for any reasonJun 13 12:38
schestowitz2.5 minutes later: "bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined)"Jun 13 12:38
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] you will notice that nothing here says "no telling people you moved to libera in the topic". They have chosen to *interpret* such a thing as "spam". Using the usual loophole where you can interpret the CoC in any way you want at the momentJun 13 12:39
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CommonDreams โ˜ž NYC Mayoral Candidate Eric Adams Rebuked for 'Dangerous' 400-Students-to-1-Teacher Theory 13 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NYC Mayoral Candidate Eric Adams Rebuked for 'Dangerous' 400-Students-to-1-Teacher Theory | Common Dreams NewsJun 13 12:39
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] you can ban people for whatever you want, simply by saying that thing is spammingJun 13 12:39
schestowitzwho is dragestil?Jun 13 12:41
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] some bystander, probably. why does it matter?Jun 13 12:41
schestowitzfsf? freenode? neither?Jun 13 12:41
schestowitzthe FSF won't be posting these logsJun 13 12:41
schestowitzmaybe I can do a video to explain the chain of events there?Jun 13 12:42
techrights-bot"you will find the article written by a Polish graduate student about how he finished his academic year rejecting every non-Free program that his teachers tried to make him run." - RMS in Brazil chat at about 37:00 13 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | TechrightsJun 13 12:44
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] why would his affiliation matter? to me he looks like a bystander making a random commentJun 13 12:44
techrights-botiophk: "he mistakely considers that the teachers are calling the shots. in most institutions, the #microsoft resellers decide on not just the tools but the curriculum." re 13 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ "you will find the article written by a Polish graduate student about how he finished his academic year rejecting every non-Free program that his teachers tried to make him run." - RMS in Brazil chat at about 37:00 Jun 13 12:44
schestowitzimmibis seems to me like someone trying to cancel the site by false insinuationsJun 13 12:46
schestowitzthe article there and the video are on topic and seriousJun 13 12:46
schestowitznot even remotely spammingJun 13 12:46
schestowitzsome people lobbied RMS to try to 'cancel' usJun 13 12:46
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] schestowitz: I don't believe he is saying techrights is generally spam, but he is saying that putting it in the /topic of #fsf is spamJun 13 12:46
schestowitzthankfully he did not fall for itJun 13 12:46
schestowitzinstead, he defended usJun 13 12:46
schestowitzimmibis so why say that?Jun 13 12:47
schestowitzUnless it's a freenode stakeholder?Jun 13 12:47
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] if the /topic of #fsf is not allowed to say the FSF is moving to libera, why is the /topic of #fsf allowed to link to techrights? One of those is far more on-topic than the other, and yet it's still considered spamJun 13 12:47
schestowitzfsf needs to worry about fsf and software freedomJun 13 12:47
schestowitznot some random IRC networkJun 13 12:47
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] it is about FSFJun 13 12:47
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] it is not some random IRC network, it is saying which IRC network the FSF is onJun 13 12:48
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] that is important information relevant to the FSFJun 13 12:48
schestowitztrueJun 13 12:48
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] no different than if it said "the fsf has moved to"Jun 13 12:48
schestowitzhang on a bit... does anyone here think this is worth covering (objectively)?Jun 13 12:48
schestowitzI'd rather move on and write about patentsJun 13 12:48
schestowitzbut freenode is killing itselfgJun 13 12:48
schestowitzand we have a stake in the outcomeJun 13 12:49
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] it will not be objective, no matter how hard you tryJun 13 12:49
techrights-bot#ifixit in latest in #righttorepair blocked by javascriptJun 13 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Victory! New York Senate Passes Landmark Right to Repair Bill - iFixitJun 13 12:49
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] when people say they are writing objectively I worry they are not writing objectively, only pretending to write objectivelyJun 13 12:49
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] and that they want to pretend their biased opinion is objective so that more people will accept itJun 13 12:50
schestowitzI know what you meanJun 13 12:50
schestowitzthe tone and choice of works, choice of focus, omissionJun 13 12:50
schestowitzanyway, we have the FSF logs so we can make up our mindsJun 13 12:50
schestowitzI will upload them so people in this channel can see and judge for themselvesJun 13 12:50
schestowitzI will first check there is no identifying stuff in thereJun 13 12:51
schestowitz2021-06-12 00:39:04     Pricey  bagira: Stupid question. I see more than 1 "is now known as nickserv" in my logs. Is the account above definitely accurate?Jun 13 12:53
schestowitzthis is objective: 13 12:55
schestowitzno editingJun 13 12:55
schestowitzno redactions seen as needed, saw no addresses or passwordsJun 13 12:55
schestowitzthe interesting parts are the past few hoursJun 13 12:55
techrights-botIn case you heard about #fsf channel at #freenode being taken over, here are the raw logs leading up to it (no comments/remarks added by me) 13 12:56
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TruthOut #Colombia โ˜ž A National Strike Has Reignited in Colombia - and Is Winning Some Victories 13 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A National Strike Has Reignited in Colombia -- and Is Winning Some VictoriesJun 13 12:57
techrights-bot"other countries need to stand up to #Twitter like #Nigeria is doing" -iophkJun 13 12:57
schestowitzgemini FUD du jour: Jun 13 12:58
schestowitzx 13 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gemini is UselessJun 13 12:58
schestowitzx 13 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why Gemini is not my favorite internet protocol - The occasional scrivener - Gustaf Erikson's weblogJun 13 12:58
techrights-bot#clickbait title but people understand what #microsoft is up to same with #java (still) 13 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Post-Mortem in 5 Acts, of How Microsoft Privatized Open Source, killing JavaScript in the Process | by Alex Kleydints | ClarityJun 13 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Historyโ€™s Lesson: Microsoft Now Does to GNU/Linux What It Did to Java (Creating โ€˜Schismโ€™ to โ€˜Wrest Controlโ€™) | TechrightsJun 13 12:59
techrights-botiophk: #twitter is the opposite of free speech; it is inaccurate to conflate the two;Jun 13 13:00
techrights-bot#billgates AND #microsoft bribe #npr so the quality of 'journalism' is nowadays too low, articles self-censoring iophk: "no. the presence of Windows on the Internet is fueling the attacks. remove it."Jun 13 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Bitcoin Has Fueled Ransomware AttacksJun 13 13:02
techrights-bot#righttorepair gains activism against thugs and criminals. 13 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Right to Repair bill PASSES in NY state senate! What now?Jun 13 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoftโ€™s War on the Right to Repair (Oneโ€™s Own Computers) Makes Lundgren an โ€˜Enemyโ€™ to Microsoft | TechrightsJun 13 13:05
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TruthOut โ˜ž Business Coalition Spends Millions to Lobby Against Biden's Proposed Tax Hikes 13 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Business Coalition Spends Millions to Lobby Against Biden's Proposed Tax HikesJun 13 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | ReutersJun 13 13:05
techrights-bot#ibm #layoff #pip "guy i knew went to 100% club and 2 months later was on a pip" 13 13:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 13:07
techrights-botThis #IBM company canโ€™t compete, canโ€™t fix anything, the only thing it knows how to do is to abandon stuff." they also attack decent people 13 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | When will next RA in System BU's Power Line - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | TechrightsJun 13 13:08
techrights-botNew: "What does IBM do best? Answer: abandon stuffโ€ฆ [...] IBM will end up a mainframe company only. The reason is because the mainframe is the only place where they have a monopoly and no competition." 13 13:08
techrights-botNew: " #OpenShift is already a commodity that #IBM wants the customers to pay for when they (customers) can get Kubernetes for free. Not to mention that a lot of customers see no point to run everything in containers. Bottom line, #RedHat will be sold off within 5 years at a huge loss." 13 13:09
techrights-botThe RSS feeds of the #meduza Web site has been down for over a week. They never reply when I report it to them. Their loss.... and they could really use allies at these times....Jun 13 13:11
*unoccupied is now known as leahJun 13 13:11
techrights-bot#Russia fines #Facebook , #Telegram over banned content #socialcontrolmedia #ruJun 13 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Russia fines Facebook, Telegram over banned contentJun 13 13:11
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] wonder if schestowit-z will accept that other people were right about the direction freenode was goingJun 13 13:12
schestowitzleah: what is your assessment of the situation? Or rather, what's going on at #fsf at the moment?Jun 13 13:12
schestowitzI see you changed nicknameJun 13 13:12
schestowitzimmibis it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecyJun 13 13:12
schestowitzas they try to instigate the exodusJun 13 13:12
schestowitzand freenode doesn't know how to handle thatJun 13 13:12
schestowitzfreenode is now freenode's own enemyJun 13 13:13
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] freenode was freenode's own enemy since the first purgeJun 13 13:13
schestowitzyesJun 13 13:16
schestowitzthose 700 channel confiscationJun 13 13:16
schestowitzthat was a MAJOR turning pointJun 13 13:16
schestowitzpresumption of innocence gone in 60 secondsJun 13 13:16
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techrights-botold: Massive dihydrogen monoxide leak at Cattenom nuclear plant #luxembourgJun 13 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | RTL Today - The Luxembourg Wurst: Massive dihydrogen monoxide leak at Cattenom nuclear plantJun 13 13:17
gustafschestowitz: I tried to be fair and balanced about GeminiJun 13 13:18
schestowitzwe have the next 7 parts ready for the EPO seriesJun 13 13:18
schestowitzlots of good findings in thereJun 13 13:18
gustafand that Flounder post is actually a defenceJun 13 13:18
schestowitzgustaf: of gemini?Jun 13 13:18
gustafI suggest you read them before proclaiming it fud Jun 13 13:18
gustafyesJun 13 13:18
schestowitzlet me reread moreJun 13 13:19
schestowitzsomeone mailed it to meJun 13 13:19
schestowitz"What I'd argue, though, is that Gemini's "uselessness" is its killer featureJun 13 13:19
schestowitzSeems like partly tongue in cheek, so the title is clickbaitJun 13 13:19
schestowitzthe title says the opposite of what's true, maybe as means of sarcasmJun 13 13:19
schestowitzsarcastic headlines aren't helpfulJun 13 13:19
schestowitzmany people pre-judge by thoseJun 13 13:20
schestowitzsome don't even clickJun 13 13:20
schestowitzsearch engines, rss feedsJun 13 13:20
gustafmore discussions here && 13 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gemini is Useless | LobstersJun 13 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why Gemini is not my favorite internet protocol | LobstersJun 13 13:20
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–‡โ–„โ–…โ–‡โ–„โ–†โ–„โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–‚โ–†โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–†โ–‡โ–‡โ–„โ–„โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 24.45 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 6.18โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.37  โŸฒJun 13 13:20
gustafalso 13 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Beyond Gemini?Jun 13 13:20
schestowitzthis one is newJun 13 13:21
schestowitzand related to the other (much older one)Jun 13 13:21
schestowitzthe headline is at least not misleadingJun 13 13:21
schestowitzI do gemini with nanoJun 13 13:22
gustafthere seems to be a lot of tension between those Gemini users who want to isolate themselves and those who want to proselytiseJun 13 13:22
schestowitzand it's easy to run, maintainJun 13 13:22
schestowitzlots of good in itJun 13 13:22
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gustafeven harder to convey meaning if you can't even bold or italic to emphasize ;)Jun 13 13:22
gustafHTML4 w/ minimal javascript (not 3rd party) is a sweet spot Jun 13 13:23
gustafGemini goes too far imhoJun 13 13:23
techrights-bot"I was wondering how I could setup a way to mirror my gemini site to HTML" (some sites like #distrotube already do just that) 13 13:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A good way to generate HTML Pages from a static siteJun 13 13:23
techrights-botNEW: #gmitodo : Shared to-do/task list over #geminiProtocol 13 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [ANN] gmitodo: Shared to-do/task listJun 13 13:24
techrights-bot#MoonGem 1.4 + Docker Image #internet #geminiSpace #geminiProtocolJun 13 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | MoonGem 1.4 + Docker ImageJun 13 13:25
schestowitzgustaf: you can Jun 13 13:25
schestowitze.g. Roy *IS* happyJun 13 13:25
schestowitzor it /isn't/ correctJun 13 13:25
schestowitzthen, some gemini browsers might even deal with it as some email, nntp and irc clients doJun 13 13:26
schestowitzif you toggle that onJun 13 13:26
schestowitzand then that becomes a conventionJun 13 13:26
schestowitzsome social control media sites do the sameJun 13 13:26
schestowitzbut it doesn't pad the text with any additional meta cruftJun 13 13:26
schestowitzyou could, in theory, also use unicodeJun 13 13:26
schestowitz๐™๐™š๐™˜๐™๐™ง๐™ž๐™œ๐™๐™ฉ๐™จJun 13 13:26
schestowitzั‚ั”ยขะฝัฮน๏ปญะฝั‚ั•Jun 13 13:27
schestowitz๐“ฃ๐“ฎ๐“ฌ๐“ฑ๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ฐ๐“ฑ๐“ฝ๐“ผJun 13 13:27
schestowitz๐–ณ๐–พ๐–ผ๐—๐—‹๐—‚๐—€๐—๐—๐—ŒJun 13 13:27
schestowitzEven stuff like โ“‰โ“”โ“’โ“—โ“กโ“˜โ“–โ“—โ“ฃโ“ขJun 13 13:27
schestowitzand it's all unicodeJun 13 13:27
schestowitzfully supported by gemini (utf-8)Jun 13 13:27
gustafanyway I just wrote it in case I get into an argument on HN or something Jun 13 13:27
gustafand a buddy posted it to Jun 13 13:27
schestowitzwhether blind people with screen readers have software that kept up is another matterJun 13 13:27
gustafdamn RSSJun 13 13:27
gustafGemini needs a browser extension for Chrome/FirefoxJun 13 13:28
gustafalso better discoverability Jun 13 13:28
schestowitzthere isJun 13 13:28
schestowitzbut it sucksJun 13 13:28
gustaf:(Jun 13 13:28
schestowitzit just links to a www proxyJun 13 13:28
schestowitzbrave need to add nature supportJun 13 13:28
schestowitzthunderbird now 'supports' geminiJun 13 13:28
schestowitzit recognise gemini:// links]Jun 13 13:28
schestowitzthen redirects clicks to mime type handling in OS/system levelJun 13 13:29
schestowitz 13 13:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Packaging status of Gemini browsers in distros (was: Thunderbird 78.11.0 recognizes gemini:// URLs ! ๐Ÿ’—)Jun 13 13:29
schestowitzthat's mozillaJun 13 13:29
schestowitzmaybe they'll do something for mozilla firefox too, if the google masters allow their chef baker to shake their www monopolyJun 13 13:29
techrights-bot"The video which was supposed to be a few minutes long ended up taking a lot longer, but it does cover a broad range of topics that are relevant and very recent (based on recent developments).โ€ โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 13 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Update on Gemini, IPFS, and IRC | TechrightsJun 13 13:30
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leahschestowitz: my assessment is that i just woke up, and haven't read the backlog yet. however, the new operators of #fsf have given me op power thereJun 13 13:32
leahfreenode #fsf that isJun 13 13:32
leahi'm now reading all my backlogsJun 13 13:33
schestowitzleah: we have the logJun 13 13:33
schestowitz 13 13:33
schestowitzpast 2 days, uneditedJun 13 13:33
schestowitzsomeone there alleged techrights is "spam"Jun 13 13:33
schestowitzno idea who that isJun 13 13:33
leahbtw i'm neutral about freenode/libera. i regard the #fsf channel on freenode now as unofficial. the one on the other network is officialJun 13 13:33
schestowitzleah: it is a false dichotomy to meJun 13 13:34
schestowitzRMS responded to me about it this mornignJun 13 13:34
schestowitz 13 13:34
schestowitzI think FSF would have considered self-hosting if it wasn't for all the surrounding stress and aftermathJun 13 13:34
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schestowitzhi gnudistJun 13 13:34
gustafschestowitz: I believe the people reacting to the Techrights link were the regulars in #fsf, not staffJun 13 13:34
gnudistschestowitz: hiJun 13 13:35
schestowitzmaybe, but the nick sounds familiarJun 13 13:35
schestowitz"dragestil"Jun 13 13:35
schestowitzmaybe was here before.. let me checkJun 13 13:35
gustafand strictly speaking the link was off topic as it was a 3rd party communicating with the FSF, not the FSF site irselfJun 13 13:35
schestowitzyes, was here beforeJun 13 13:35
schestowitz 13 13:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, March 23, 2021Jun 13 13:35
schestowitz 13 13:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, March 07, 2021Jun 13 13:35
schestowitzodd that someone lurking in our channels would say such a thingJun 13 13:36
schestowitzthis is prior to those silly IRC warsJun 13 13:36
schestowitzgustaf: maybe an op there appreciated the coverageJun 13 13:36
gustafbtw, people seem to think root == rasenganJun 13 13:36
schestowitzwho is in charge?Jun 13 13:36
schestowitzchannel op? the network?Jun 13 13:36
schestowitzand if so, that should have people think deeply about all that clown computing of IRCJun 13 13:37
schestowitzthey also k-lined all of IRCCloud afaictJun 13 13:37
leahum soJun 13 13:37
schestowitzrasengan uses MacsJun 13 13:37
leahi'm mostly just amusedJun 13 13:37
schestowitznobody but Apple has root on thoseJun 13 13:37
schestowitzApple and NSAJun 13 13:37
leahi asked CrystalMath on a whim to give me op in #fsfJun 13 13:37
leahand i'm now op thereJun 13 13:37
leahwell, #fsf on freenode will provide a valuable serviceJun 13 13:38
leahi'm honoured to help out there, in running the channelJun 13 13:38
leahbut i also support liberaJun 13 13:38
leahlibera and freenode are both excellent networksJun 13 13:38
schestowitzI support freedomJun 13 13:38
schestowitzand I think neither network understands what freedom isJun 13 13:38
leahi think freenode staff responded badly, but they'll need to start being benevolent or more people will leaveJun 13 13:38
leahthey were people who had no power, and who suddenly had powerJun 13 13:38
schestowitzFSF is aware (by now) that some people who run LC are trying to remove RMS from FSF, which he foundedJun 13 13:38
leahthey responded with a ego trip, followed by panic when libera started. but i think things will calm downJun 13 13:39
gustafwell, Freenode literally removed FSF from their networkJun 13 13:39
leahi will say, the new freenode staff seem to have a much more authoritarian style of leadershipJun 13 13:39
schestowitzwell, that's part of the problemJun 13 13:39
gustafso it's actual vs theoretical Jun 13 13:39
leahbut heyJun 13 13:39
leahlibera is a thingJun 13 13:39
schestowitz"show me your friend, I will tell you who/what you are"Jun 13 13:39
leah> freenode staff were unhappyJun 13 13:39
leah> they made liberaJun 13 13:39
schestowitzor "friends"Jun 13 13:39
CrystalMathleah: well you entrusted me with ops on libreboot, and i hope i didn't let you downJun 13 13:39
leahCrystalMath: oh, i'm honoured, thank youJun 13 13:40
CrystalMathand i similarly hope you won't let me downJun 13 13:40
leahi'll serve #fsf proudlyJun 13 13:40
CrystalMath:)Jun 13 13:40
leahanyway, schestowitz  you asked me for my opinionJun 13 13:40
leahlet me summarize my opinions for you:Jun 13 13:40
schestowitzhopefully not another fake "gnu" LOLJun 13 13:40
schestowitzthe free collective foundationJun 13 13:40
leah* darth rasengan is a fine man, and freenode is greatJun 13 13:41
leah* libera is also greatJun 13 13:41
leahall hail our new leadersJun 13 13:41
leah...Jun 13 13:41
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 06:17:01bandaliv8, why did you "force transition" #gnu?Jun 13 13:41
leahsorry, i'm being super flippant right nowJun 13 13:41
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 07:14:51โ†bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined)Jun 13 13:41
leahbut yeah freenode is... different nowJun 13 13:41
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] great network!Jun 13 13:41
leahlet's just say differentJun 13 13:41
schestowitzhahaJun 13 13:41
schestowitzright you arrJun 13 13:41
leahi'm mainly amused, not horrifiedJun 13 13:41
leahi meanJun 13 13:41
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i'm just disappointedJun 13 13:41
leahpeople are treating all of this like a nasty cult just took over their governmentJun 13 13:41
schestowitzthis is not good for IRC as a wholeJun 13 13:42
CrystalMathv8 said that there's more than what was seen on the channelJun 13 13:42
leahwhen really it's just an irc network run by a couple of computer geeksJun 13 13:42
leahfilled with other computer geeksJun 13 13:42
schestowitzthey need to select carefullyJun 13 13:42
leahand some people high on the spectrum wanted to change how it run. other people got pissed and made their own network, libera, in responseJun 13 13:42
leahnow there are two networksJun 13 13:42
leahi don't really see what the problem isJun 13 13:42
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leahif you don't like freenode, use liberaJun 13 13:42
schestowitzotherwise freenode is only "in name" and "in legacy (20+ years)Jun 13 13:42
schestowitzlike OSIJun 13 13:42
leahif you don't like libera, use freenodeJun 13 13:42
schestowitz1998-2020, RIPJun 13 13:42
leahif you're neutral, use bothJun 13 13:42
schestowitzwhen patrick left, RIPJun 13 13:43
CrystalMathand there's more networks if you don't like eitherJun 13 13:43
CrystalMathOFTC, Hackint, ....Jun 13 13:43
leahplus you can always self-hostJun 13 13:43
schestowitzleah: we have our own network and I think we need many thousands of networks tbhJun 13 13:43
CrystalMathyeahJun 13 13:43
leahi'm spending today setting up my own custom ircd, just for my projectsJun 13 13:43
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] CrystalMath: amin bandali is an extremely honorable person who has basically the respect of the entire FOSS community.  there is no "explanation"Jun 13 13:43
leahbeen distractedJun 13 13:43
schestowitzjust like we have 100-200 million sites/domainsJun 13 13:43
schestowitz200 million domains, says netcraftJun 13 13:43
leahhad some electronics projects to deal with for the last few days, but i'm working on an ircd nowJun 13 13:43
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] they k-lined him for sport.Jun 13 13:43
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] that's all there is to it.Jun 13 13:44
schestowitzso you don't have twitter CEO saying, hey, let's move of INTERNET_GIANT/#Twitter to ANOTHER_INTERNET_GIANT/#Twitter Jun 13 13:44
schestowitzwe need more bridging softwareJun 13 13:44
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] anyway, the real solution is to make self-hosting irc infrastructure easierJun 13 13:45
schestowitzand services that can be self-hosted to bridge acrossJun 13 13:45
leahthing is thoughJun 13 13:45
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] which, i am working on slowly, but alpine consumes a lot of my timeJun 13 13:45
leahfsf are good peopleJun 13 13:45
schestowitzAriadne yes, that's the lessonJun 13 13:45
leahwhat is tr btw?Jun 13 13:45
CrystalMathleah: irc.techrights.orgJun 13 13:45
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] yes, fsf are good peopleJun 13 13:45
schestowitzleah: it's irc.techrights.orgJun 13 13:45
leahoh techrights has its own ircd?Jun 13 13:45
leahcool!Jun 13 13:45
schestowitzwe have our own irc network nowJun 13 13:45
CrystalMathi think running unrealircdJun 13 13:45
leahwell of course it is Jun 13 13:45
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] my opinions on RMS have even softenedJun 13 13:46
leahariadne is a contributor to unrealircdJun 13 13:46
chikoritahuh, let me join that in my real nickJun 13 13:46
schestowitzCrystalMath: npoJun 13 13:46
schestowitzno. different ircdJun 13 13:46
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CrystalMathschestowitz: oh, hmmJun 13 13:46
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] no, it runs some go thingJun 13 13:46
leah2nd largest, according to github stats. and ariadne owns the infra for techrightsJun 13 13:46
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] that i threw upJun 13 13:46
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] in likeJun 13 13:46
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] 15 minutesJun 13 13:46
leahoh, not unreal lolJun 13 13:46
leahanywayJun 13 13:46
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] yes, i would like it if peopleJun 13 13:46
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] stop mentioningJun 13 13:46
leahschestowitz: can you share with me the source code for that bot?Jun 13 13:46
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] that i own the infra for techrightsJun 13 13:46
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] :pJun 13 13:46
schestowitzwe use go implementation of ipfs also, it's a MASSIVE number of filesJun 13 13:46
schestowitzI was astoundedJun 13 13:46
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] people blame me for whatever hot take schestowitz hasJun 13 13:47
leahschestowitz: i want to do the same thing. self-hosted ircd and bridge freenode, libera and self-hosted ircdJun 13 13:47
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] it is quite tiringJun 13 13:47
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] we should talk leahJun 13 13:47
leahdo you have the bot in a repo somewhere, schestowitz ?Jun 13 13:47
schestowitzmaybe #fsf can do thatJun 13 13:47
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i can tell you how the setup worksJun 13 13:47
leahAriadne, talk?Jun 13 13:47
schestowitzleah: which bot?Jun 13 13:47
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] wellJun 13 13:47
leahsure, where?Jun 13 13:47
schestowitzthere are severalJun 13 13:47
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] write PRIVMSGs to each otherJun 13 13:47
leahtalking to you would be, interestingJun 13 13:47
*tr-bridge [job/tr] was chikorita btwJun 13 13:47
leahi'm curious what you want to talk to me aboutJun 13 13:48
tr-bridge[job/tr] damn this network is good, you can use certs instead of passwordsJun 13 13:48
leahhow do i PM you ariadneJun 13 13:48
*tr-bridge [job/tr] adds this network to the startupJun 13 13:48
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] well, just the whole irc thingJun 13 13:48
leahjoin 13 13:48
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] if you wanted to know about the setupJun 13 13:48
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] sureJun 13 13:48
schestowitzleah: just don't fight with people :-)Jun 13 13:48
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] leah is coolJun 13 13:48
leahhmJun 13 13:48
leahwell i don't like to fight, noJun 13 13:49
tr-bridge[job/tr] Ariadne: indeedJun 13 13:49
leahi prefer to unify peopleJun 13 13:49
schestowitzwe tried that with IRC at the startJun 13 13:49
schestowitzearly mayJun 13 13:49
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] although we fell on opposite sides of the RMS issue, my opinions have evolved since thenJun 13 13:49
tr-bridge[unoccupied/tr] tis iJun 13 13:49
tr-bridge[leah/tr] i will register my nick hereJun 13 13:49
schestowitzRMS talks about difficult subject and cannot foresee the cost of itJun 13 13:49
schestowitzlike taking to Brazilian about overpopualtion on May 31stJun 13 13:50
schestowitz 13 13:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | TechrightsJun 13 13:50
schestowitzwhich obviously put some people offJun 13 13:50
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i think that we should focus on software freedom, not what RMS doesJun 13 13:50
schestowitzI mean, come on, Brazil isn't NorwayJun 13 13:50
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tr-bridge[leah/tr] Ariadne: you wishet to speak with meJun 13 13:50
schestowitzrianne goes on VPNJun 13 13:50
tr-bridge[leah/tr] shall i p myou?Jun 13 13:50
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] sureJun 13 13:51
schestowitz:-DJun 13 13:51
tr-bridge[leah/tr] to confirm that i am the real leah rowe, i will type "oranges" into techrights on freenodeJun 13 13:51
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] quick question on ipfs, how does a node decide which files to store locally?Jun 13 13:51
leahorangesJun 13 13:51
leahalso pearsJun 13 13:51
schestowitzimmibis you decide by pinning itJun 13 13:51
schestowitzipfs pin [hasg]Jun 13 13:51
schestowitz[hash]Jun 13 13:51
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] oh so you just have to tell it all the files to store, okJun 13 13:51
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schestowitzwe need more people to pin our hashes, it would helpJun 13 13:51
schestowitz or raw text 13 13:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Full IPFS IndexJun 13 13:52
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] those are the same linkJun 13 13:52
schestowitz 13 13:52
schestowitzyes, blame firefoxJun 13 13:52
schestowitzfirefox knows better than meJun 13 13:52
schestowitzeven Google is not having a me culpa on their "smart" address barJun 13 13:53
schestowitz*meaJun 13 13:53
tr-bridge[job/tr] seamonkey ftwJun 13 13:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] e.g. 13 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google ends its attack on the URL bar, resumes showing full address in Chrome โ€“ OSnewsJun 13 13:53
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] so hypothetically if someone wanted to pin techrights they'd have to scrape that page and then run a script to `ipfs pin` every entry in the list? that seems incredibly inconvenientJun 13 13:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] or part of itJun 13 13:54
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] like the bulletins onlyJun 13 13:54
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] 13 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Full IPFS IndexJun 13 13:54
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] those contain all articles and daily links as plain textJun 13 13:54
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] very compressible tooJun 13 13:55
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techrights-botTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 13 13:59
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schestowitzjob Falkon is also goodJun 13 14:01
schestowitzit's my default browser since about 5-6 years ago when it was still known as qupzilla (I use that too on older distros, two laptops)Jun 13 14:01
tr-bridge[job/tr] It's Chromium-based though :\Jun 13 14:02
schestowitzjob: it's a KDE project, so they're not interesting in your dataJun 13 14:02
tr-bridge[job/tr] Though if you don't mind Chromium it's a decent browser I guessJun 13 14:02
schestowitzKonqueror alsoJun 13 14:02
schestowitzWaterfox is DO NOT TOUCHJun 13 14:02
tr-bridge[job/tr] I know, but then there's the monoculture in enginesJun 13 14:02
tr-bridge[job/tr] Yeah I agree about WaterfoxJun 13 14:02
schestowitzthey'r covertly sold to the same spying firm that picked startpageJun 13 14:02
schestowitz"system1"Jun 13 14:02
schestowitz 13 14:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Startpage - TechrightsJun 13 14:03
tr-bridge[job/tr] Not only they are now owned by an advertising company, they are also killing off new XUL developmentJun 13 14:03
tr-bridge[job/tr] really pissed off about thatJun 13 14:03
schestowitzwasn't saving xul their whole purpose?Jun 13 14:03
tr-bridge[job/tr] well they do still support xul, but that's not enough to save xulJun 13 14:03
tr-bridge[job/tr] there needs to be new developmentJun 13 14:04
tr-bridge[job/tr] Waterfox encourages a mentality to consume an add-on and don't care about itJun 13 14:04
tr-bridge[job/tr] Pale Moon has tried to jumpstart new XUL add-ons development by disallowing support for extensions only targetting Firefox, and a lot of users are mad about itJun 13 14:05
techrights-botTIL I learned #uk #nurses can get other vaccines (not that AZ trash) if they wish. A relative of mine got an alternative. Good. Better.Jun 13 14:05
tr-bridge[job/tr] It just shows how a lot of people see XUL browsers as a way to keep using their old, dead extensions, rather than a powerful browser in its own rightJun 13 14:06
schestowitzjob firefox was better in the past than it is today, except page compatibilityJun 13 14:06
tr-bridge[job/tr] indeedJun 13 14:06
schestowitzMozilla it to Firefox what freenode is to freenode \0/Jun 13 14:06
techrights-botYes, please, give that UNIX... bottle?! 13 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unix bottling plant hiring 100-plus before July opening | Local News | morganton.comJun 13 14:08
tr-bridge[job/tr] that bottle is in violation of the Unix philosophyJun 13 14:09
techrights-botI see that #microsoft booster #thurrott had his sites come to a standstill and his own site became just some random forum with stuff 'borrowed' from other sites. Why does #googleNews index it? It's also "BWW Media Group" (not Paul)Jun 13 14:10
schestowitzjob: so is RHEL and its many clonesJun 13 14:11
schestowitzinc. Debian and downstream Ubuntu, Kylin etc.Jun 13 14:11
schestowitzeverything as a file became everything as a serviceJun 13 14:11
schestowitzeven your homedir LOLJun 13 14:11
schestowitzservice stop home!Jun 13 14:11
tr-bridge[job/tr] hehJun 13 14:11
tr-bridge[job/tr] systemd-homedJun 13 14:12
tr-bridge[job/tr] systemd-kerneldJun 13 14:12
schestowitznot yetJun 13 14:12
schestowitzyou spoil the surpriseJun 13 14:12
schestowitzAt least now that Red Hat is owned by IBM we know what LP had in mine with D 13 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dehomag - WikipediaJun 13 14:13
techrights-botCars inside computers aren't a major advancement. I had my laptop in my car back in the 1990s as a teen, e.g. playing music to the stereo over the jack (and no, that laptop could not hijack the car!) 13 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Toyota Motor North America Introduces Next-Generation Multimedia System To Deliver Best In-Car User ExperienceJun 13 14:15
techrights-bot'Smart' cars: cars you are forced to buy bundles with computers... and worse yet, computers you cannot take home, reuse elsewhere etc. (usually super-expensive to repair too). 'Smart' cars? For gullible cons0000mers.Jun 13 14:16
techrights-botAfter "smart" cars we'll have smart loos that let you do 'infotainment'... and treble the cost of the bowl. Good for businesses that sell this shit. Oops, did I say shit?Jun 13 14:17
techrights-botYou need a computer on your microwave (with microphone connected to #bezos over #wifi or BT) as much as you need an all-in-one aquarium inside your sedanJun 13 14:18
techrights-botBobby Borisov should know better and NOT promote this: this is an ATTACK on #java and on #FreeSW ... same as the old tricks from #microsoft maybe Oracle should sue Microsoft, not #google over Linux-powered AndroidJun 13 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OpenJDK 11 Microsoft Build Goes General AvailabilityJun 13 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Historyโ€™s Lesson: Microsoft Now Does to GNU/Linux What It Did to Java (Creating โ€˜Schismโ€™ to โ€˜Wrest Controlโ€™) | TechrightsJun 13 14:20
techrights-bot"In this video, I am going to show an overview of #Ubuntu #Unity 21.04 and some of the applications pre-installed." #gnu #linuxJun 13 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu Unity 21.04 overview | UNITY7 MODERNIZED. - YouTubeJun 13 14:21
techrights-bot#Top 10 free open-source RSS feed readers for Linux desktops โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 14:22
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techrights-botLinux 5.14 To Begin Enabling The Intel #Graphics TTM Memory Management Bits for dGPUs - Phoronix โš“ ไท‰ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux ๐Ÿง | more in 13 14:27
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techrights-botโ€˜Web Sheriffโ€™ Targets URLs With Overbroad Takedown Notices โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | โ€˜Web Sheriffโ€™ Targets URLs With Overbroad Takedown Notices | Tux MachinesJun 13 14:29
techrights-botWhen you can tell news is slow: @michaelLarabal I'ma gonna write about ma table again ;-) 13 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Last Year's L-Shaped Desk Build Has Been Holding Up Well - PhoronixJun 13 14:32
techrights-bot#Simsu 1.4.0 released #freesw with Telugu translation ;-)Jun 13 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SimsuJun 13 14:34
techrights-botGeo #replication with #syncthing by Pablo Iranzo GรณmezJun 13 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Geo replication withย syncthing ยท Pablo Iranzo Gรณmez's blogJun 13 14:35
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techrights-bot#SmachZ โ€™s Final Message - Boiling Steam โš“ ไท‰ #boilingsteam | making mockups and promises is easier than prototypes and actual products, esp. on the #internetJun 13 14:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Smach Z's Final Message - Boiling SteamJun 13 14:36
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techrights-botTo see #techrights IRC channel in (almost) real time people can now visit any time of the day (time delay less than 5 mins)Jun 13 14:37
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techrights-botLOL. #windows from #microsoft ... gives us your arm and a leg. "Configuration pricing varies from about $1800 to a maxed-out $5160." it does mention "Debian Linux" along the way, but it means #WSL which is an ATTACK on #gnu #linuxJun 13 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | HP zBook Studio review: an awesome mobile workstationJun 13 14:49
techrights-bot#wsl is SOOOO popular that its own people quit in droves :-) and hardly anybody uses this crap. #wsl2 #microsoft #RIPJun 13 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Death of WSL and WSL2 | TechrightsJun 13 14:51
techrights-bot#WSL and #WSL2 as projects were based on a delusion, or the laughable illusion that developers cannot cope with Virtual Machines or that developers wanted/needed #microsoft #windows #vista10Jun 13 14:52
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techrights-botOn #ibm #scam for MBAs, only a minute ago: "It always struck me as one of those programs that was more about the execs having a nice trip at the company's expense. The "honorees" are really only there to provide cover." also see 13 14:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 14:54
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techrights-bot#cnbc is little but megaphone of propaganda arm for companies that SPY on you the MOST, e.g. #Amazon , #Microsoft and #IBM original headline: "A year later, tech companies' calls to regulate facial recognition met with little progress"Jun 13 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rules around facial recognition and policing remain blurryJun 13 14:56
techrights-bot#IBM yearns for the good old days of tattooing people with numbers/barcodes (good old PROFITABLE days) 13 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | TechrightsJun 13 14:56
techrights-botEdwin Black on #IBM founder "Watson being โ€œcriminal sociopathโ€ (thatโ€™s according to Black), who was โ€œconvicted on extortionโ€ and should have been in prison before his time in IBM" (months old interview) 13 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Interview With Edwin Black: IBM Has Never Apologised, Instead It Hid Its Role in Nazi Germany | TechrightsJun 13 14:58
psydroid<TechrightsBot-tr " | HP zBook Studio "> in 5 years they went from 4 cores and 8 GB of RAM to 6 slightly better cores and 16-32 GB of RAMJun 13 14:58
psydroidthat's real progressJun 13 14:58
psydroidmade possible by Microsoft and IntelJun 13 14:58
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schestowitzbut look at the price LOLJun 13 14:59
schestowitzI got mine for 200 poundsJun 13 14:59
psydroidyeahJun 13 14:59
schestowitz4 coresJun 13 14:59
schestowitz8GB of RAMJun 13 14:59
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schestowitzHP, same brand..Jun 13 14:59
schestowitzso if you add 50% in cores the price is like 300% higherJun 13 14:59
schestowitzmaybe Microsoft/HP thinks it can find more cults like Apple shoppersJun 13 15:00
psydroidcompetitors selling products with AMD and ARM chips should eat their lunchJun 13 15:00
schestowitzIIRC, Spamnil paid $15,000 for a 'MAC' PCJun 13 15:00
schestowitzand then he moaned in Twitter that he needs to reboot it every day ^_^Jun 13 15:00
psydroidself-flagellation is hard to resistJun 13 15:01
techrights-botIn 2021 this is just insane or villainous. UPC is dead and some law firms still speak about it like it's a 'thing'. 13 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unitary Patents, the Unified Patent Court, Opt-Out Timing, Pros and Cons | Winstead PC - JDSupraJun 13 15:02
techrights-botFASTER, USPTO, FASTER!!!! Grant 111,000,000 MILLION #patents per DAY!!! INNOVA~1 would SOAR!! 13 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | USPTO issues 11 millionth patentJun 13 15:04
techrights-botWhy on Earth are #patents being granted on life and nature as if those are inventions? Because lobbying, bribery and entryism basically shadow-write the laws? Or break the law ever so nonchalantly? 13 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-UC Berkeley CRISPR Patent Revoked in Europe Due To Invalid Priority Claim | Proskauer - Minding Your Business - JDSupraJun 13 15:07
techrights-botSay "Hi!" to our HEY HI HEY HI HEY "experts" I am an expert in "Aura"... come pay me $300 per hour.Jun 13 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Meet Our AI Experts - Intellectual Property - UKJun 13 15:08
techrights-botBarry Kluwer of #easyOS and #puppylinux blogs a lot about camping/trekking/hiking in #australia these days. His latest: 13 15:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stealth campingJun 13 15:11
techrights-bot#Wasmtime 0.28 Released With #CPP Embedding Support - Phoronix โš“ ไท‰ #Phoronix #ProgrammingJun 13 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wasmtime 0.28 Released With C++ Embedding Support - PhoronixJun 13 15:12
techrights-botWeek #1 - #GSoC Weekly Report - 100 Paper Cuts #libreofficeJun 13 15:16
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–‡โ–†โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–†โ–โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–„โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 22.78 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 15.41โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.42  โŸฒJun 13 15:20
techrights-botSupposed #security in a buzzword that typically connotes the very opposite or antithesis of real security 13 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Top 10 Secure IoT Devices | Building Trust in IoT DevicesJun 13 15:22
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] as far as i can tell, bandali was k-lined for saying:Jun 13 15:24
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 07:07:01bandalithank you ggoesJun 13 15:24
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 07:07:15bandalilol no flooding, then proceeds to flood the channel. niceJun 13 15:24
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techrights-botOh, go blame science fiction for people being sceptical of something approved in 10 times less the usual time it takes (clinical trials etc.) 13 15:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Star Trek may be contributing to COVID-19 vaccine skepticism - The IPKatJun 13 15:25
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] thanks gustaf for the logs and schestowitz for forwarding them onJun 13 15:25
schestowitzAriadne yes, I saw thatJun 13 15:26
schestowitzbut there was another thing saidJun 13 15:26
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] what is the allegation?Jun 13 15:26
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] that bandali said something mean in PM or something?Jun 13 15:26
schestowitzAriadne I cated then into a text file and put them in 13 15:26
schestowitz*cat'ed themJun 13 15:26
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MinceR13 131207 < tr-bridge> [immibis/tr] I don't think so. I think he just likes having power and doesn't like people leaving his sphere of powerJun 13 15:28
MinceRso why does he k-line them then?Jun 13 15:28
MinceRit should be easy to understand that that decreases number of users :>Jun 13 15:28
schestowitz2021-06-12 21:10:26โ†root has kicked Irydacea (Irydacea)Jun 13 15:29
schestowitz2021-06-12 21:10:30โ†root has kicked yanmaani (yanmaani)Jun 13 15:29
schestowitz2021-06-12 21:10:06โ†root has kicked Wulf (Wulf)Jun 13 15:29
schestowitzI missed these beforeJun 13 15:29
schestowitz[12:35] <schestowitz> 2021-06-13 07:07:15 bandali lol no flooding, then proceeds to flood the channel. niceJun 13 15:29
MinceR13 132435 < tr-bridge> [immibis/tr] when has fascism ever worked?Jun 13 15:29
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MinceRseems to be working in hungary since 2010, at least as far as keeping power goesJun 13 15:29
MinceRit's an epidemicJun 13 15:29
schestowitz[12:33] <schestowitz> 2021-06-13 07:06:23 bandali what the fuck does that mean?Jun 13 15:30
schestowitz[12:31] <schestowitz> 2021-06-13 07:05:23 bandali so now the official announcement by the fsf is spam?Jun 13 15:30
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schestowitzoh, crap. I merged the wrong files, one is a freenode logJun 13 15:33
schestowitzwill correctJun 13 15:33
schestowitzcat '#freenode.06-12.weechatlog' '#freenode.06-13.weechatlog'  > freenode-take-control-of-fsf-channel.txtJun 13 15:33
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schestowitzcat '#fsf.06-12.weechatlog' '#fsf.06-13.weechatlog'  > fsf-channel-canceled.txtJun 13 15:34
schestowitzmore informative now: 13 15:35
schestowitzand at the same time in #fsf 13 15:35
schestowitzWhen I read that I assumed "what the fuck does that mean?" could be interpreted as rudeJun 13 15:37
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MinceR13 144256 < leah> if you're neutral, use bothJun 13 15:39
MinceRwhat if i hate them both?Jun 13 15:39
techrights-botTotally useless 'fact' how big a face? What diameter? Facepalm....Jun 13 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Drawing 29,249 Smiley Faces Is What It Takes To Drain A Standard Ballpoint Pen - South Florida ReporterJun 13 15:39
techrights-bot"And please stop bandying around the perjorative term "anti-vaxxer". [...] No doubt there are people out there who, for example, have an idealogical opposition to fizzy drinks, but we don't call them anti-HFCSers and treat them with such disdain." 13 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Star Trek may be contributing to COVID-19 vaccine skepticism - The IPKatJun 13 15:44
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: The mistake wasn't the channel take-over, the mistake was having false-positives.Jun 13 15:45
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: What happened to the FSF channels wasn't just predicted, it is a freenode policy.Jun 13 15:45
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] I guess rasengan abandoned the idea of redirecting to the ## channelsJun 13 15:47
techrights-botOh my God, #TeamUPC has not quit lying about the #UPC and Kluwer #Patent blogger still gives a platform to those self-serving professional liars, putting utter lies as headlines with quotes around them 13 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kevin Mooney: โ€˜New years of delay for Unified Patent Court unlikelyโ€™ - Kluwer Patent BlogJun 13 15:47
techrights-botKevin Mooney has a long and extensive history of lying about the UPC, e.g. 13 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Science Minister Sam Gyimah, Who Tactlessly Ratified UPC in the UK, Has Just Resigned | TechrightsJun 13 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Fall of the UPC โ€“ Part XII: Doing the Unthinkable by Blaming the Judgeโ€™s (Justiceโ€™s) Wife? | TechrightsJun 13 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Even Sites That Served UPC Propaganda for Years (for These Sitesโ€™ Owners) Have Come to Admit That the UPC Might Already be Dead | TechrightsJun 13 15:48
MinceRsecret policyJun 13 15:49
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I mean, the last incident was justified by it.Jun 13 15:50
techrights-bot"With due respect to his person, I think that Mr Mooney has missed an opportunity to keep quiet." LOL! Why does Kluwer give a platform to liars?! 13 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kevin Mooney: โ€˜New years of delay for Unified Patent Court unlikelyโ€™ - Kluwer Patent BlogJun 13 15:50
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] rasengan apologised for the takeover bot being buggy.Jun 13 15:50
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] but the intention behind the bot โ€“ that wasโ€ฆ well, intentional.Jun 13 15:50
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] and rasengan demonstrated an inability to learn from itJun 13 15:51
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: He thinks that the problem is the bugs exclusively maybe.Jun 13 15:51
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] FSF's channels were taken over smoothly, no bugs there.Jun 13 15:51
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i thought he wasn't that dumbJun 13 15:51
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] but whateverJun 13 15:51
schestowitzhe left this channel days agoJun 13 15:52
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: The TOTP incident is kind of telling.Jun 13 15:52
schestowitzsometimes it's easier when people do not ask questions :-DJun 13 15:52
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: it would be, if more than speculation was known about itJun 13 15:52
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] "secret policy" is right. Freenode staff keep making up more innocent-seeming policies that appear consistent with their actions, and people like schestowitz buy those policies instead of looking deeperJun 13 15:53
schestowitzLike I said earlier today, at this point freenode is freenode's biggest enemyJun 13 15:54
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] no, "people like schestowitz" had better things to do than try to predict what the new staff was going to doJun 13 15:54
schestowitzA lot of chaos could be avoided with a hands-off policy/approachJun 13 15:54
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] we would find out eventually anywayJun 13 15:54
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] and we didJun 13 15:54
schestowitzMinceR: did you read our parts about Hungary?Jun 13 15:54
schestowitzAnother one coming tomorrow morningJun 13 15:55
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] some of themJun 13 15:55
schestowitzcoolJun 13 15:55
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] in fairness, schestowitz, andrew did figure out some buttons to push with you that got you supporting him for a whileJun 13 15:55
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i didn't find the question of who ficsor's father was to be all that interestingJun 13 15:55
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: The initial suspicion, why I think it can only be this way (the Speculation) is that because it's an Organisation on Gandi, and the individual accounts (freenode Ltd., tomaw, kevin) are merely connecting to it, there's just no way for tomaw to impose a particular 2FA for the whole thing. He can only add it for his own account. But (!) it's a very reasonable idea to have a <clipped message>Jun 13 15:55
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr]  2FA-restriction as anJun 13 15:55
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tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Organisation policy.Jun 13 15:55
schestowitzMinceR: nepotism and allJun 13 15:55
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] schestowitz/fn: also, it's misspelled as "Fiscsor" several timesJun 13 15:56
schestowitzMinceR: so I should correct it...Jun 13 15:56
leahMinceR: if you hate both, then still use both, begrudginglyJun 13 15:56
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] :>Jun 13 15:57
leahbecause the other networks suck even moreJun 13 15:57
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] noJun 13 15:57
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: tomaw just couldn't've locked rasengan out without cracking the individual account.Jun 13 15:57
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] oftc sucks more, maybe ircnet sucks moreJun 13 15:57
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] but there are several networks that are much betterJun 13 15:57
leahirc has always been a shitshowJun 13 15:57
schestowitzoh, I see in part 4 Jun 13 15:57
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: when the first purge happened, smart people looked at what happened, and thought "Oh, freenode is trying to stop people moving to libera." Stupid people looked at it and thought "Oh, freenode is trying to stop people mentioning libera in channel topics."Jun 13 15:57
leahnow you have global warming mixed in. the planet is hotter. so peoples blood boil hotterJun 13 15:57
schestowitza misspelling repeatedJun 13 15:57
leahand now irc is more insane. this is my scientific opinionJun 13 15:57
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] there was even a network that used some IRCX server, but they eventually came to their senses and stoppedJun 13 15:57
schestowitzfixed in about 10 places in part 10 now, MinceRJun 13 15:58
MinceRleah: also, higher CO2 concentration apparently makes people act stupider :>Jun 13 15:58
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] niceJun 13 15:58
leahreally?Jun 13 15:58
schestowitzjust searched whole DBJun 13 15:59
leahgood thing i live in the suburbs then. more trees hereJun 13 15:59
schestowitzSearch results for โ€œFiscsorโ€ No posts found.Jun 13 15:59
schestowitzso it was just in part 4, a copy-pastes carried-on typoJun 13 15:59
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] [09:57:52] <MinceR> there was even a network that used some IRCX server, but they eventually came to their senses and stoppedJun 13 16:00
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i'm literally writing an ircx serverJun 13 16:00
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] uhhJun 13 16:00
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] lolJun 13 16:00
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] why thoughJun 13 16:00
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] with a lot of modificationsJun 13 16:00
schestowitzI have that typo in part 8 too, but it's not published yetJun 13 16:00
schestowitzit shows that "fixer" attacking RMSJun 13 16:00
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] it is a reasonable way to solve the "services database" problemJun 13 16:00
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] having services in every ircd?Jun 13 16:00
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] rightJun 13 16:00
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] didn't PTLink ircd already do that?Jun 13 16:00
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] thats what ircx basically doesJun 13 16:01
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] noJun 13 16:01
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] ptlink still had servicesJun 13 16:01
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] it had server-side mlock thoughJun 13 16:01
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] also, ergo also seems to have itJun 13 16:01
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] yes, but ergo isn't clusterableJun 13 16:01
schestowitzMinceR: it's good that you spot such stuffJun 13 16:01
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: So that's the Speculation. I then asked someone I trust about whether that's a correct estimation, they confirmed. Don't know if I should share that or not.Jun 13 16:02
schestowitzthe accused would typically hand-wave, with "well, they can't even spell the name right, so the WHOLE article is "defamation""Jun 13 16:02
MinceRleah: 13 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Exclusive: Elevated CO2 Levels Directly Affect Human Cognition, New Harvard Studyย Shows โ€“ ThinkProgressJun 13 16:02
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] ircx lets you distribute the entire services database to all nodesJun 13 16:02
leahi meanJun 13 16:02
leahit makes senseJun 13 16:02
leahyou need oxygen in your brainJun 13 16:02
leahwhen deprived of it, you can't focus as muchJun 13 16:02
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] what's special about IRCX in this regard?Jun 13 16:02
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] nothing reallyJun 13 16:02
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] it just already existsJun 13 16:02
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] so i adapted it to suit my needsJun 13 16:03
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] why reinvent the wheel when the wheel is already usableJun 13 16:03
techrights-bot17 mins ago: " My manager tried to convince me that in the remote town where #ibm is the only (major) tech employer, i am getting paid more than median salary for that town. Can you believe how illogical that sounds!!" 13 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Instead of raise, you can only get an excuse - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 16:04
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techrights-bot#ibm robbed by management, think IBM insiders. Latest: "Don't even get to bring anyone and there is mandatory bullshyte you need to attend Just give me the money" see 13 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM's CEO and outgoing exec chairman take home $38m in total for 2020 despite revenue shrinking by billions โ€ข The RegisterJun 13 16:06
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] formatting doesn't seem to come across the bridge inside noticesJun 13 16:07
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: There is root on macOS.Jun 13 16:07
MinceRfoo bar bazJun 13 16:07
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] ah, not even in messages :>Jun 13 16:07
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Yea, it doesn't.Jun 13 16:07
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] yeah, apparently the plan for macOS is to replace it with iOS (or iPadOS or whatever) entirely instead of turning it into another iOSJun 13 16:07
schestowitzMinceR: I checked parts 9-12Jun 13 16:08
schestowitzthe typo was not repeated in themJun 13 16:08
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] > I asked CrystalMath on a whim to give me op in #fsf, and i'm now op thereJun 13 16:08
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath's loyalty has been rewarded?Jun 13 16:08
schestowitzI just know the minds of those crooks, who use any typo to distract from the actual substanceJun 13 16:08
schestowitz"x can't spell y right, hence a-z is all false"Jun 13 16:08
CrystalMathleah has been on #fsf longer than me, had she not been *unfairly* quieted she would have gotten ops from staffJun 13 16:09
CrystalMathunfairly quieted by johnsu01Jun 13 16:09
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: I mean, ye're staff now?Jun 13 16:09
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] or just contacted one?Jun 13 16:09
CrystalMathno, i'm an op of #fsfJun 13 16:09
schestowitz[16:07] <tr-bridge> [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: There is root on macOS.    <<<<<<<<<< read the next line or few lines, I was making a jokeJun 13 16:09
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Ah, okay.Jun 13 16:10
CrystalMathstaff asked for volunteers to keep the #fsf channelJun 13 16:10
schestowitzit's also hard to rootJun 13 16:10
CrystalMaththey weren't called, per seJun 13 16:10
schestowitzby designJun 13 16:10
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] which staffJun 13 16:10
CrystalMathv8Jun 13 16:10
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] so in other words not FSF staffJun 13 16:10
CrystalMathfreenode staff, yes, sorry for not being clearJun 13 16:10
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: Those are clearly traitors :)Jun 13 16:10
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] well i didnโ€™t want to say it :)Jun 13 16:10
schestowitzFSF-KapeJun 13 16:11
schestowitzKapoJun 13 16:11
schestowitz 13 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kapo - WikipediaJun 13 16:11
schestowitzthough I should be careful with such jokesJun 13 16:11
schestowitzas it's an Israel company..Jun 13 16:11
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] my partner has a libreboot laptopJun 13 16:11
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] thinkpad t whatever the fuckJun 13 16:11
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CrystalMaththe reason why i got it is because i was already planned to be an op on ##fsf, which the FSF planned to succeed the original channelJun 13 16:11
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] giant thick thing that you can beat someone withJun 13 16:12
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schestowitzit would be weird if they can make new-#channelJun 13 16:12
schestowitzto act like controllers in the shadow for many projectsJun 13 16:12
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] hi yesJun 13 16:12
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] thatโ€™s what andrew wantsJun 13 16:12
schestowitzexerting control from behind the scenes with ops in their pocketsJun 13 16:12
schestowitznot literallyJun 13 16:12
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] iโ€™ve been saying this for weeks nowJun 13 16:12
schestowitzbut they can de-op themJun 13 16:12
schestowitzfor example a freenode (kape) controlled #pythonJun 13 16:13
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] yesJun 13 16:13
schestowitzit's a lot of power and we discussed the same wrt to LCJun 13 16:13
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] iโ€™m glad you get it nowJun 13 16:13
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: T500?Jun 13 16:13
schestowitzlike their imposter #techrights channel thereJun 13 16:13
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] yeah thatโ€™s the oneJun 13 16:13
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] schestowitz if you did a group reg over there they would give it to youJun 13 16:13
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] they just donโ€™t want to touch techrights with a 10 foot pole otherwiseJun 13 16:14
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schestowitzI think it would then lead to questions like, why not those other 400 networks as well?Jun 13 16:14
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tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] sureJun 13 16:14
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: Excuse me, 3 metre poleJun 13 16:14
schestowitznamespace in irc is like this...Jun 13 16:14
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] as i said i think self hosting is really idealJun 13 16:15
MinceRMunchkin d20 has an 11-foot poleJun 13 16:15
schestowitzmost of them seem europeanJun 13 16:15
MinceRspecifically for traps that are designed to deal with 10-foot polesJun 13 16:15
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] and iโ€™m working to make that easy, but the work is slow because alpine has to come firstJun 13 16:15
schestowitzI didn't know Poles could be that tooJun 13 16:16
schestowitz*tallJun 13 16:16
MinceR:>Jun 13 16:16
schestowitz6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) 13 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Marcin Gortat - WikipediaJun 13 16:17
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schestowitzclose, but no cigar (that's what she said)Jun 13 16:17
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i see IRC as the best and most flexible libre communication toolJun 13 16:17
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] it just needs to be packaged wellJun 13 16:17
schestowitzthe tallest person was about 2.70mJun 13 16:17
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] matrix really sucksJun 13 16:18
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] It really does.Jun 13 16:18
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] you canโ€™t even ban people without a botJun 13 16:18
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] lolJun 13 16:18
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] are they planning to fix that?Jun 13 16:18
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] like you can but you canโ€™t like ban their home serverJun 13 16:18
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] so you have to just sit thereJun 13 16:18
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] and banJun 13 16:18
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] and banJun 13 16:18
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] and banJun 13 16:18
techrights-botScrew those #patents ... those #patent #monopolies kill a lot of people on many levels 13 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | As European Parliament Endorses Vaccine Patent Waiver, EU Urged to Stop Putting Pharma Profits Over Human Life | Common Dreams NewsJun 13 16:19
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] until they get bored and stop making new accountsJun 13 16:19
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] I had an XMPP MUC that's connected to Matrix, but their database broke and now it's forever dead.Jun 13 16:19
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] unfixableJun 13 16:19
schestowitzno backups?Jun 13 16:19
schestowitziirc, esr's blog collapses due to db issuesJun 13 16:19
schestowitzit never truly recoveredJun 13 16:19
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] No, they changed the domain names and now there's inconsistency in their database.Jun 13 16:19
schestowitzmaybe he was busy with guns, sex and booze and didn't bother making/checking his backupsJun 13 16:20
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] which is not mitigatableJun 13 16:20
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] CrystalMath: congratulations on identifying that freenode staff do not give a shit about you and they will not give you kickbacks for licking their boots in the pastJun 13 16:20
schestowitzI have a pane in tmux devoted just to displaying DB backup state 24/7 :-)Jun 13 16:20
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] leah: The bridge is matterbridge, I can give you the config.Jun 13 16:21
techrights-botA "pharmacist" as just a glorified, professional and authorised "DRUG DEALERS" :-) 13 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Latest: Melbourne's 4th pandemic lockdown to end Friday - WFMJ.comJun 13 16:22
techrights-botA "pharmacist" as just a glorified, professional and authorised "DRUG DEALER" :-) 13 16:22
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techrights-bot"Hereโ€™s what Iโ€™m writing to announce: JPTOS was in a publishing hiatus over the past year" (I already noted 2-3 years ago, very many times in fact, that #patent media/publishers/blogs were dying) 13 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Journal of the Patent & Trademark Office SocietyJun 13 16:25
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] leah: enjoy :)Jun 13 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian PastezoneJun 13 16:25
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tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] leah: Forgot to uncomment the Libera gateway.Jun 13 16:28
MinceR(cat) 13 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This Shop Owner Installed A Glass Ceiling For His Cats And Now They Won't Stop Staring At Him | Bored PandaJun 13 16:29
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] leah: Also the message length on needs adjustingJun 13 16:32
leahahJun 13 16:33
leahAriadne yes, can you give me the config for matterbridge?Jun 13 16:33
leahjust email it to leah@libreboot.orgJun 13 16:33
leahi assume you mean 13 16:33
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] I'm hosting matterbridge, that's the config :DJun 13 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - 42wim/matterbridge: bridge between mattermost, IRC, gitter, xmpp, slack, discord, telegram, rocketchat, twitch, ssh-chat, zulip, whatsapp, keybase, matrix, microsoft teams, nextcloud, mumble, vk and more with REST API (mattermost not required!)Jun 13 16:33
leahi will adapt it for my own purposesJun 13 16:33
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] leah: Yes, that's the one.Jun 13 16:34
leahhmJun 13 16:34
leahmattermost is another software that comes to mind. coreboot used it, idk if they still doJun 13 16:34
leahis matterbridge a part of that project?Jun 13 16:34
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Not really, but the name is definitely derived from there.Jun 13 16:35
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Also "most" is a Slavic word for bridge, I doubt that's a coincidence.Jun 13 16:35
techrights-botWhat kind of person who confuse those two logos? Very generic #law #Trademarks #TrademarkJun 13 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EU General Court on relative grounds for refusal: the Chanel judgment - The IPKatJun 13 16:35
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techrights-bot#Olympics becoming about #marketing instead of #sport 13 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Guest Post: Will Social Media change Ambush Marketing at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games? - The IPKatJun 13 16:36
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tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] leah: matterbridge cannot determine the max length automatically, so I just find the longest nick length and the longest message that nick can produce, record that value and then subtract the actual nick length.Jun 13 16:37
schestowitzXRevan86 depends on devs' origins?Jun 13 16:37
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Or possibly someone they know.Jun 13 16:38
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techrights-botCheck how much money he has pocketed from pharmaceutical giants #patent #patents #monopoly #euJun 13 16:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | COVID-19 vaccine patent waiver is "no silver bullet" - EU's MichelJun 13 16:40
techrights-botThere's no such thing as "IP" and patents are not "owned"; this is what happens when law firms and monopolists fund the media to repeat mythology and propaganda (in 'news' clothing 13 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IP owners concerned as UK mulls post-Brexit exhaustion regime | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 13 16:42
tr-bridge[leah/tr] you can take your IP and shove it up your ass. that's my personal opinionJun 13 16:43
tr-bridge[leah/tr] i will accept copyleftJun 13 16:44
techrights-bot#germany destroying its own businesses with foolish #patent laws that make it easy to sue German companies see how the coup by #law firms and monopolists has progressed, vendor-capturing #de gov. 13 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FOSS Patents: German legislature just voted to amend patent injunction statute -- jurisdiction as attractive as ever to patent holders bringing infringement lawsuitsJun 13 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag โ€” Part 20: Taking Stock | TechrightsJun 13 16:44
tr-bridge[leah/tr] and if i'm ever the leader of a major country, i will mandate copyleftJun 13 16:44
tr-bridge[leah/tr] as a matter of public serviceJun 13 16:45
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: Ye got banned from freenode too?Jun 13 16:45
techrights-botLarge corporations disguised as "users" and similar euphemism control the #EPO and turn it into a laughing stock. #SACEPO (Suck EPO!) is a misnomer and a corporate coup. 13 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - SACEPO discusses digital transformation at EPOJun 13 16:46
techrights-bot#epo granted #fakepatents like #swpats that can in turn destroyed the whole "ViCo" pipe dream #patents #europeJun 13 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook and Voxer take live broadcast patent dispute to Europe - JUVE PatentJun 13 16:47
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techrights-botMouthpieces of law firms (funded by patent litigation firms, as in Dennis Crouch's case) are freaking out as #swpats continues to collapse along with many other #fakePatents that #uspto should never have granted in the first place 13 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 101: Extending Uncertainty to All Fields | Patently-OJun 13 16:49
schestowitzXRevan86 freenode will stop having problematic users when none are leftJun 13 16:51
schestowitz(no users that is)Jun 13 16:51
CrystalMathschestowitz: nah, i'll still be there :>Jun 13 16:52
CrystalMatha little bit of self-deprecating humorJun 13 16:52
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techrights-bot"There is no future at #IBM if you havenโ€™t figured out yet IBMersโ€ฆ" #redhatJun 13 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Instead of raise, you can only get an excuse - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 16:53
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schestowitzCrystalMath: they need to rethink their attitude and strategyJun 13 16:55
schestowitzthey clearly have a poor understanding of the communityJun 13 16:55
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: I bet it'll still have enough idlers for years to comeJun 13 16:55
schestowitzand you start to wonder if Kape calls the shotsJun 13 16:55
schestowitzafter all, they 'own' AndrewJun 13 16:55
schestowitzhe's just a sear on their boardJun 13 16:55
schestowitz*seatJun 13 16:55
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Nah, this is a personal thing.Jun 13 16:56
schestowitzWhat are they getting out of all this, inc. PIA?Jun 13 16:56
MinceR13 175247 < CrystalMath> schestowitz: nah, i'll still be there :>Jun 13 16:56
MinceRnot after they k-line youJun 13 16:57
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Nah, not him %)Jun 13 16:57
techrights-bot'IPWatchdog and LexisNexis and will be offering a webinar entitled "Saving the World with Patents: Is the TRIPS Waiver Helping or Hurting Innovation?"' Since when is a strident patent maximalism blog some sort of authority on policy?Jun 13 16:57
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Althoughโ€ฆ who knows.Jun 13 16:57
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tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] A close ally is a potential formidable enemy.Jun 13 16:58
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techrights-botQuit using the nebulous and misleading term "IP"; if you mean to say trademarks, then say trademarks. And they are not property. They're something different. #trademarks #trademarkJun 13 16:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In-house: counterfeiters increasingly targeting unregistered IP | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 13 16:59
schestowitzmaybe their goal is to install fearJun 13 17:00
schestowitzban people left and rightJun 13 17:00
schestowitzask PutinJun 13 17:00
schestowitzor KimJun 13 17:00
schestowitznot CEO of the PIA companyJun 13 17:00
schestowitzthe one near RussiaJun 13 17:00
MinceRpretty stupid strategy in a world of over 400 irc networks, where people can freely leaveJun 13 17:00
schestowitzwell, they can leave, but many things won't travel with themJun 13 17:01
schestowitzlike Microsoft, there's assumption of prisoners' complexJun 13 17:01
MinceRthat isn't working outJun 13 17:01
MinceRall this talk about IP... 13 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ian Paul Freeley (Character) - Giant BombJun 13 17:01
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: And where there's already momentum for thatJun 13 17:01
schestowitzinstall- > *instill fearJun 13 17:01
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] The June prognosis is already cemented.Jun 13 17:02
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tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] We won't have to wait for July for freenode to stop being the largest network.Jun 13 17:02
techrights-bot"This is an IP and libertarianism Q&A. It was originally supposed to be a debate with an intellectual property attorney on IP but after challenging me, she bowed out." #stephankinsella has long challenged this "AYE PEE" nonsense. 13 17:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KOL343 | Aborted IP Debate with Nina Prevot; IP and Libertarianism Q&AJun 13 17:03
MinceRi don't get the obsession with "largest network"Jun 13 17:04
MinceRmore people use dumbFuckBook. does this make dumbFuckBook better?Jun 13 17:04
MinceRlots of people use IRCNet, the network made of NIH SyndromeJun 13 17:04
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: For some reason even now most connections are made not through irc.techrights.orgJun 13 17:04
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] what difference does that make to us?Jun 13 17:05
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techrights-bot" #IBM is famous for obtaining a lot of patents. Year after year, theyโ€™re the top recipient of U.S. patents" And then they BLACKMAIL you, STILL (even after #redhat bought and AllowHurst made IBM President) see 13 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Moving The USPTO From Red To Black - Patent ProgressJun 13 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Christmastime Extortion Shows That IBM Has Not Changed Since Buying Red Hat and Itโ€™s Still a Patent Bully | TechrightsJun 13 17:05
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tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: For some reason it is still the current largest network where it's atJun 13 17:05
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] what is "it" that is at the current largest network?Jun 13 17:06
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] Pennywise?Jun 13 17:06
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tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: peeplJun 13 17:06
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] people are overrated :>Jun 13 17:06
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techrights-bot#Intel reinforces four post-trial motions to do away with #VLSI Technology's $2.2B jury verdict in Western District of #Texas #patent case 13 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FOSS Patents: Intel reinforces four post-trial motions to do away with VLSI Technology's $2.2B jury verdict in Western District of Texas patent caseJun 13 17:07
schestowitzMinceR: people can flyJun 13 17:09
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schestowitzour home connection is pure shite and now it impacts a different machine, a more critical oneJun 13 17:09
schestowitzutter shiteJun 13 17:09
MinceR 13 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | People Can Fly - WikipediaJun 13 17:09
techrights-bot#MedTech is mostly a meaningless misnomer or buzzwords that monopolists and #litigation zealots use to make #softwarepatent sound honourable see 13 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BioWorld MedTech Patent Highlights: Week 22 | 2021-06-11 | BioWorldJun 13 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) โ€” Like MedTech at the EPO โ€” Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | TechrightsJun 13 17:12
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schestowitzI've reset that connection, let's see how that works outJun 13 17:15
schestowitzfrustrating since it started around 10 days agoJun 13 17:15
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techrights-botABC News: #Germany rolling out digital #EU vaccination pass. So back we go to Nazi policies, like those which #IBM profits from IBM STILL at this, misusing the "LINUX" brand to promote it: 13 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | TechrightsJun 13 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | TechrightsJun 13 17:17
techrights-botToo many #patents simply harm the public 13 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Matrix Report Identifies Shortcomings of US Patent SystemJun 13 17:18
techrights-bot#patents on #cancer again see explanation of the ethical issues associated with that, e.g. (TR wrote about it many times before) 13 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Onxeo Receives Notice of Allowance for a New PatentJun 13 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Insensitivity at the EPOโ€™s Management โ€“ Part II: Patent Office as a Cancer | TechrightsJun 13 17:19
MinceRmaybe they could sue people that have cancer for patent infringementJun 13 17:20
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–โ–ƒโ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–„โ–„โ–„โ–‚โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–‚โ–„โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–‚โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–„โ– avg(k/sec) 21.76 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 13.05โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.45  โŸฒJun 13 17:20
schestowitzMinceR: if they get curedJun 13 17:21
schestowitzmaybe they can settling or reverse-mortgaging the homeJun 13 17:21
schestowitz*end up settlingJun 13 17:21
MinceRi think the court should rule that they must be curedJun 13 17:22
MinceRso that they no longer infringeJun 13 17:22
schestowitzhaha, what a cruel justice systemJun 13 17:22
schestowitz"die already... to avoid the lawsuit"Jun 13 17:22
MinceRthat works too, i guessJun 13 17:22
schestowitzsick worldJun 13 17:22
schestowitzbutJun 13 17:22
schestowitzit's profitableJun 13 17:22
schestowitz a sick world has more clientele :-)Jun 13 17:22
MinceR 13 17:22
schestowitza healthy world sucks: 13 17:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Goldman asks: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?'Jun 13 17:23
MinceRa healthy world is devoid of humans :>Jun 13 17:23
schestowitzfor nature it is betterJun 13 17:23
schestowitzbefore it runs our of "lumber"Jun 13 17:24
schestowitzwhat we call trees when we sell them carved up at ridiculous pricesJun 13 17:24
schestowitzBTWJun 13 17:24
schestowitzMinceR: Jun 13 17:24
schestowitzfor youJun 13 17:24
schestowitzthere's a segment in this RMS interview about overpopulationJun 13 17:24
schestowitz 13 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | TechrightsJun 13 17:25
MinceRi've seen itJun 13 17:25
schestowitzbut I watched the final parts after about 3 hours, so maybe it is not includedJun 13 17:25
MinceRi mean i watched it liveJun 13 17:25
schestowitzRMS lacks the sensibilitiesJun 13 17:25
MinceRor maybe he has sensibilities for nature and for quality of human lifeJun 13 17:25
schestowitzhe preaches this to a devour catholic country with high birth ratesJun 13 17:25
schestowitzand it sort of backfiredJun 13 17:25
schestowitzthey said Olive too has a daughterJun 13 17:25
schestowitzRMS said she was into dancer, but they said she was a "hacker"Jun 13 17:26
schestowitz*OlivaJun 13 17:26
schestowitzHe also got in trouble for talking about MinskyJun 13 17:26
schestowitzand the term "assault"Jun 13 17:26
MinceRcatholics would prefer to have tens of billions or more living in suffering and povertyJun 13 17:28
MinceRbecause they idolize suffering and limitless reproductionJun 13 17:28
techrights-bot2021: even #patent BLOGS (not just so-called 'journalism' -- a dying breed since years ago) turn to "ohhhh ... loook... here are some tweets I typed up" instead of actual reporting on issues 13 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Involving Patent Issues vs. Arising Under the Patent Laws | Patently-OJun 13 17:28
MinceRoh, and they also idolize poverty ...for othersJun 13 17:28
schestowitzMinceR: and it wins votesJun 13 17:28
schestowitza numbers gameJun 13 17:29
schestowitzit's not just catholicsJun 13 17:29
MinceRand before someone brings it up, yes, most abrahamic cults are also like thatJun 13 17:29
schestowitzit's the more devout religionsJun 13 17:29
schestowitzMinceR: yes, beat me to it...Jun 13 17:29
schestowitzthat's why they are so "successful"Jun 13 17:29
schestowitzit' a numbers gameJun 13 17:29
MinceRcatholics might be a bit special because they toured africa telling people that contraception is evilJun 13 17:30
leahhmJun 13 17:31
techrights-bot#patent "class action antitrust claims that pay-for-delay deals kept #generic versions of Alzheimer's drug Namenda off the market after a New York federal judge largely rejected the parties' competing bids for a quick win Friday." 13 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Allergan Unit Must Face Bulk Of Namenda Pay-For-Delay Suit - Law360Jun 13 17:31
tr-bridge[leah/tr] anyway, i'm done here now. i'll continue talking in #techrights on freenodeJun 13 17:31
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] leah: weirdJun 13 17:32
tr-bridge[leah/tr] i only came to the self-hosted one at, to PM ariadne when she requested an audience with meJun 13 17:32
techrights-botDeals behind our backs, NOT in our names, NOT in our interest #eu #collusion #uk #g7Jun 13 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Transatlantic Trade Update: G-7 Summit, EU-UK Trade dealsJun 13 17:32
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] leah: Can ye elaborate on the decision?Jun 13 17:32
tr-bridge[leah/tr] hm. actuallyJun 13 17:32
tr-bridge[leah/tr] should i stay here?Jun 13 17:32
tr-bridge[leah/tr] this place is bridged with freenodeJun 13 17:32
MinceRit isJun 13 17:32
tr-bridge[leah/tr] ah okJun 13 17:32
tr-bridge[leah/tr] well i tried to register my nick here, but couldn'tJun 13 17:32
MinceRsadly, color codes don't make it acrossJun 13 17:32
tr-bridge[leah/tr] it said i was already authed, even though i never registered my nick on this ircdJun 13 17:32
tr-bridge[leah/tr] how do i register and guard my nick here on self-hosted techrights?Jun 13 17:33
MinceRso it's easier to follow from over here... OTOH it's easier to tab-complete nicks on TR, if your client tries to tab-complete nicks that spoke most recently (like irssi)Jun 13 17:33
techrights-bot"I'm a model!" Oh really, what kind? "Quantitative!" Using lingo and cyrpto-crap to hype up buzzwords and waning cargo cults for posers. 13 17:33
tr-bridge[leah/tr] i will lurk here if i can figure that out, and stop joining the freenode channelJun 13 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Forecasting Bitcoin price using quantitative models, Part 4 By CointelegraphJun 13 17:33
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I hope that schestowitz will move the bots.Jun 13 17:33
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] to find out: /quote nickserv help registerJun 13 17:33
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Now that more evidence is clear, that feels like more of a possibility.Jun 13 17:33
tr-bridge[leah/tr] thanksJun 13 17:33
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] npJun 13 17:33
schestowitzMinceR: yes, autocompleteJun 13 17:36
schestowitzas most of us are still hereJun 13 17:36
schestowitz[17:32] <tr-bridge> [leah/tr] should i stay here?Jun 13 17:36
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Completely independent from the masters, eh?Jun 13 17:36
MinceRi mean, irssi sticks those /fn nicks into its list and tab-completes them tooJun 13 17:36
schestowitzas we said weeks ago, or over a week ago, it gives us downtime tolerancwJun 13 17:36
MinceRbut only where relaymsg worksJun 13 17:37
schestowitzif one network is wonky, the other is still working, so being in both is OKJun 13 17:37
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: well, not completelyJun 13 17:37
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: we'd need more redundant hosting for thatJun 13 17:37
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I mean the big IRC networks.Jun 13 17:38
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] and one particular one that is on a cancellation rampage right now.Jun 13 17:38
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] the smaller ones have masters tooJun 13 17:38
schestowitzif not now, in the futureJun 13 17:39
schestowitzthey're not predictableJun 13 17:39
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schestowitzthey're like G+ or google photos or whatnotJun 13 17:39
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: That one has been predictable though.Jun 13 17:39
schestowitzyou don't get to decide or even express an opinion about their directionJun 13 17:39
schestowitzXRevan86 not in 2008Jun 13 17:40
schestowitzwe made a good choice thenJun 13 17:40
schestowitzseeing it went on ok for so longJun 13 17:40
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: It was a different network then.Jun 13 17:40
tr-bridge[leah/tr] yeah anyway:Jun 13 17:40
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: It's under new management.Jun 13 17:40
tr-bridge[leah/tr] NickServ ( You're already logged into an accountJun 13 17:40
tr-bridge[leah/tr] this is what it says when i try to registerJun 13 17:40
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] yeah, you're logged in as leahJun 13 17:40
tr-bridge[leah/tr] did what was suggested just now, still don't workJun 13 17:40
schestowitzmaybe it's not wrongJun 13 17:40
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] ergo ircd is weird, it ties nicks and nickserv accounts together rather tightlyJun 13 17:40
tr-bridge[leah/tr] yeah but this is, not freenodeJun 13 17:41
tr-bridge[leah/tr] i'm already logged in on freenodeJun 13 17:41
tr-bridge[leah/tr] but my leah nick isn't registered on, the self-hosted oneJun 13 17:41
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i mean you're logged in as leah _here_Jun 13 17:41
tr-bridge[leah/tr] how thoughJun 13 17:41
tr-bridge[leah/tr] i never registered my nick hereJun 13 17:41
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] maybe you had a certificate when you connected or somethingJun 13 17:41
schestowitzmaybe a bugJun 13 17:41
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] you can check it with /quote nickserv info leahJun 13 17:41
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Notice how no such hiccups happened on the "under old management" network.Jun 13 17:41
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] more serious things happened on itJun 13 17:42
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] All the fears have stayed unrealised.Jun 13 17:42
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] not reallyJun 13 17:42
tr-bridge[leah/tr] 17:41 -- NickServ ( Account: leahJun 13 17:42
schestowitzIRC became more polarised than beforeJun 13 17:42
tr-bridge[leah/tr] 17:41 -- NickServ ( Registered at: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 12:49:50 UTCJun 13 17:42
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: What did they do? Tell CM "ye can't do that"?Jun 13 17:42
tr-bridge[leah/tr] 17:41 -- NickServ ( Account leah has 0 registered channel(s).Jun 13 17:42
tr-bridge[leah/tr] but i never registered itJun 13 17:42
schestowitzbut worse, they split free software themselves along political lines nowJun 13 17:43
tr-bridge[leah/tr] so how do i auth if i don't know the password?Jun 13 17:43
schestowitzsort of like LF and OSI doJun 13 17:43
tr-bridge[leah/tr] i'm pretty sure nobody else registered it here eitherJun 13 17:43
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: i don't remember it was years ago, but i left #freenode and #freenode-social over itJun 13 17:43
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: then they tried to cancel RMS and the FSF boardJun 13 17:43
schestowitzthey can agree on a  licence, but if you vote "wrong", you will be banished somehiwJun 13 17:43
tr-bridge[leah/tr] can someone just like, manually do something to make me have it?Jun 13 17:43
tr-bridge[leah/tr] email address leah@libreboot.orgJun 13 17:43
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] leah: do you have a server password or SASL set up?Jun 13 17:43
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] Ariadne knows the peculiarities of ergo better than i doJun 13 17:44
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: As something that didn't exactly happen in the IRC world, that's not really evidence to the contrary.Jun 13 17:45
techrights-botIn 1:32:00 of this video of #RMS he speaks about why we should make something like "crust" to replace #rustlang ... I think that's a good idea if we want to #deletegithub and remove ourselves from the #microsoft infiltration (e.g. in Rust Foundation) ... while still using #freesw made in Rust 13 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | TechrightsJun 13 17:45
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: what happens on shithub stays on shithub?Jun 13 17:45
schestowitznot always, MinceRJun 13 17:46
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Even FSF trusts them not to let their personal opinions affect their IRC work.Jun 13 17:46
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: being cancelled is a "personal opinion"?Jun 13 17:46
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] the opinions that are not in solidarity eitherJun 13 17:46
schestowitztime will tellJun 13 17:46
schestowitzlolJun 13 17:46
schestowitzfriday to sundayJun 13 17:46
schestowitznot even 48 hours yetJun 13 17:46
schestowitzand how many people are in LC/#fsf ?Jun 13 17:47
schestowitzI saw 225 in FN/#fsf todayJun 13 17:47
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] "i got fired from my job, but that's my own personal opinion so i'll just keep going there and demand paychecks"Jun 13 17:47
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: They k-lined someone who disagreed?Jun 13 17:48
schestowitzMinceR: reminds me to check IBM boardsJun 13 17:48
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: if parties A and B exist, and party A does something evil, does this prove party B to be good?Jun 13 17:48
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Has party B displayed any unprofessional behaviour in their IRC work?Jun 13 17:49
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] indeedJun 13 17:49
schestowitzI said before, we deal with choice of mastersJun 13 17:49
schestowitzand the masters change over timeJun 13 17:49
schestowitzso it is a false dicoptomyJun 13 17:49
schestowitzlike idiots who buy everything with an "i" on itJun 13 17:49
schestowitzbecause Windows "sucks"Jun 13 17:49
schestowitzand they focus on brands, not the underlying issuesJun 13 17:50
schestowitzso it's them who are Microsoftr bashersJun 13 17:50
schestowitzwe we beyond thatJun 13 17:50
schestowitzwe are proprietary software and centralisation bashersJun 13 17:50
schestowitzwe mock the modalityJun 13 17:50
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] So beyond that it is written on freenode.Jun 13 17:50
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] criticism is not bashingJun 13 17:50
schestowitzand we look for actual solutions that tackle things at the rootJun 13 17:50
schestowitzmany people choose BRAND for their listening devicesJun 13 17:51
schestowitzAlexa/Siri/CortanaJun 13 17:51
schestowitzdepends on which brand spent the most on marketing, lying to themJun 13 17:51
schestowitz"carbon-neutral" pinkwashing antracist Pentagon contractor :-)Jun 13 17:51
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] got to have the correct logo on the microphone that sends everything to the NSAJun 13 17:51
schestowitzMyCroft might be OKJun 13 17:52
schestowitzthey try to tackle the issueJun 13 17:52
schestowitzMozilla had a project going for a while, but based on lack of blog posts they must have canned itJun 13 17:52
schestowitzand they started obsessing about the "diversity" of such things (languages etc.) instead of making something that just worksJun 13 17:52
schestowitzvoices, languages, dialectsJun 13 17:53
schestowitzTwitter took down its image croppedJun 13 17:53
schestowitz*cropperJun 13 17:53
schestowitzbecause mobs in Twitter accused that tool of racismJun 13 17:53
schestowitztwitter panicked and took the whole software downJun 13 17:53
schestowitzHP similarly with webcams iircJun 13 17:53
schestowitzbecause people whose skin bounces back less photons is harder to derive contours fromJun 13 17:53
schestowitzphysics are racistJun 13 17:54
schestowitzphotons are bigotsJun 13 17:54
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] lolJun 13 17:54
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] if they used neural networks then maybe they trained them less with darker-skinned humansJun 13 17:54
schestowitzthis is what "ethics" in "tehc" [sic] boils down toJun 13 17:54
schestowitza bunch of tehc STONKS moaning not about privacy issuesJun 13 17:54
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] it's convenient for corporate posturingJun 13 17:55
schestowitzbut things like, how does this program pick up my voice to ship it to the NSAJun 13 17:55
schestowitzNSA OKJun 13 17:55
schestowitzthe interpreter not OKJun 13 17:55
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MinceRno need for any actual ethical behavior, just plaster the right symbols and the right sorts of stock photos on corporate surfacesJun 13 17:55
schestowitzno, i worked with such NIST setsJun 13 17:55
schestowitzfor like a whole yearJun 13 17:56
schestowitzsome ethnicities are harderJun 13 17:56
schestowitzfor different reasonsJun 13 17:56
schestowitzlike ethnic diversity, racial hair, complexionJun 13 17:56
schestowitzyou might even have to change the camerasJun 13 17:56
schestowitzand focus on depth scansJun 13 17:56
schestowitzcolour is not always enoughJun 13 17:57
schestowitzit's OK if you have a bunch of 'white' facesJun 13 17:57
schestowitzat risk of going into territories that are considered racist, some Africans (they're NOT one race) are very very dark, compare to those in east AfricaJun 13 17:58
schestowitzand you would just need another classifier typeJun 13 17:58
schestowitzthe problem is that many face-rec systems were made for, and by, "white" peopleJun 13 17:58
schestowitzand going back to Mozilla and voice rec:Jun 13 17:59
schestowitzthey're biased towards EnglishJun 13 17:59
schestowitzthey're funded and run by mostly Europeans and AmericansJun 13 17:59
schestowitzno matter what stock photography they pick for their blogsJun 13 17:59
schestowitzall corporations are like thatJun 13 17:59
MinceRdepth scans are expensiveJun 13 18:00
schestowitzMicrosoft works in reverse even: 13 18:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Wants Only White People in Poland | TechrightsJun 13 18:00
MinceRelon musk is too cheap to put lidars in his overpriced cars :>Jun 13 18:00
schestowitzactively REMOVING the 'misfits'Jun 13 18:00
schestowitzthe world's richest africanJun 13 18:00
schestowitzcolonist familyJun 13 18:00
schestowitzโ— NEWS โ— #DemocracyNow #Germany #de โ˜ž Why Germanyโ€™s Apology for Its 1904-1908 #Genocide in #Namibia Does Not Go Far Enough 13 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why Germanyโ€™s Apology for Its 1904-1908 Genocide in Namibia Does Not Go Far Enough | Democracy Now!Jun 13 18:01
schestowitz"test run"Jun 13 18:01
schestowitzanother "test run": Aktion T4 13 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO Looney Tunes โ€“ Part 2: The โ€œDifficult Legacyโ€ and Its Dark Historical Shadow | TechrightsJun 13 18:02
schestowitzbut hey, let's focus on minor issuesJun 13 18:02
schestowitzlike what the git branch is namedJun 13 18:02
schestowitzthat'll accomplish so much MOARJun 13 18:03
schestowitzAfter you Microsoft, we'll follow your lead on repo names: 13 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | TechrightsJun 13 18:03
schestowitzin a site that works for ICE :DJun 13 18:03
AVRSschestowitz: if that edit is racist, is Vitamin D also racist? 13 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Vitamin D - WikipediaJun 13 18:05
MinceRobviouslyJun 13 18:05
MinceReverything is racist in this world, except for crybulliesJun 13 18:05
schestowitzanyway, don't mean to sound crude, but we need to get the priorities rightJun 13 18:05
schestowitzthe issue is mass spying on all racesJun 13 18:05
MinceRjust ask matthew garrettJun 13 18:05
schestowitzthe corporate media arranges for "micro scandals"aJun 13 18:05
schestowitzand gets us to obsesses over those, insteadJun 13 18:05
AVRS(e.g. "Vitamin D deficiency is common in Hispanic and African-Americans in the United States, with levels dropping significantly in the winter.")Jun 13 18:06
schestowitzthis afternoon: [14:56] <techrights-bot> #cnbc is little but megaphone of propaganda arm for companies that SPY on you the MOST, e.g. #Amazon , #Microsoft and #IBM original headline: "A year later, tech companies' calls to regulate facial recognition met with little progress"Jun 13 18:06
AVRSbecause they need more sunJun 13 18:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rules around facial recognition and policing remain blurryJun 13 18:06
schestowitz"regulate"Jun 13 18:06
schestowitzAVRS: I get burned easilyJun 13 18:06
MinceRit's probably a better idea to take Vitamin D supplementsJun 13 18:07
schestowitzand it does permanent harm, since a decade agoJun 13 18:07
MinceRbecause that avoids the risk of skin cancerJun 13 18:07
schestowitzHumans will evolved to have a dependency on pills, abortions, what else?Jun 13 18:07
schestowitzc-sections are already a dependency in countries that have themJun 13 18:08
MinceRoxygenJun 13 18:08
MinceRour most difficult addiction of allJun 13 18:08
schestowitzwell, it is abundantJun 13 18:08
schestowitzso animals use that for combustionJun 13 18:08
schestowitzwe could adapt, somehow, to other gasesJun 13 18:09
schestowitzfish don't even use raw oxygenJun 13 18:09
schestowitzin gas formJun 13 18:09
schestowitzno carbonJun 13 18:09
schestowitzthe gases you get at operations are a lot more addictive than c02Jun 13 18:10
schestowitzco2Jun 13 18:10
MinceRi doubt CO2 is addictiveJun 13 18:10
MinceRthe human body reacts pretty adversely to high concentrations of CO2Jun 13 18:11
techrights-botTrickle down? Haha, don't you kid me... 13 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEJun 13 18:11
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] schestowitz: surely the literal fascism is more important and more encompassing than the spyingJun 13 18:11
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] the spying is just one asperctJun 13 18:11
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] aspect*Jun 13 18:11
schestowitzyes, it's a toolJun 13 18:12
schestowitzan instrument of mass controlJun 13 18:12
AVRSschestowitz: I read the Russian Vitamin D article recently, and it seemed to claim it is impossible to get enough Vitamin D from food or from sunlightJun 13 18:12
schestowitzI always say, it's threefoldJun 13 18:12
schestowitzcensorship+surveillance+propaganda/indocrinationJun 13 18:13
AVRSAnyway, it might be less healthy for people with more sunny origins to be in less sunny placesJun 13 18:13
schestowitzbecause you can avoid physical confrontation by fencing the minds and removing "toxic" elements (people and ideas weeded out)Jun 13 18:13
AVRSs/to be/to live/Jun 13 18:13
AVRSUnless that article was written by racists, of courseJun 13 18:14
schestowitzI think that's a straw manJun 13 18:14
schestowitzif someone calls them racist, he or she is the straw manJun 13 18:14
schestowitzwe do have real racistsJun 13 18:14
schestowitzand there's an effort to shift to BSJun 13 18:14
schestowitzpetty little issuesJun 13 18:14
techrights-botIt's quite incredible to what length litigation profiteers/fanatics would go to promote #patents on nature and life, casting them as "technology" or "invention" #patent #monopoly #crisprJun 13 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent Docs: CRISPR Interference Parties File Motions to Exclude Evidence and for Oral HearingJun 13 18:17
techrights-botCorrupt 'law' firm M&C (lawsuits proved #corruption recently) looking for sneaky and cheeky ways to promote fake and unlawful #patents on software, mostly using buzzwords like "MedTech" and "Innovation" 13 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Medtech Innovation Is Going Digital But Is Patent Protection Keeping Up? - Intellectual Property - UKJun 13 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) โ€” Like MedTech at the EPO โ€” Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | TechrightsJun 13 18:19
techrights-bot"A framework for understanding how the Federal Circuit determines the "ordinary and customary" meaning of claim terms." = tricks for bypassing the #law to get #fakePatents and fool examiners, then judges. #patent maximalism at its finest. NOT about justice. 13 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent Docs: MBHB Webinar on Claim ConstructionJun 13 18:21
techrights-botFake #journalism (that is actually SPAM) became so prevalent in these so-called 'IP' site. Firm hires ONE person (yes, someone changes job!) and it becomes: "HGF expands in Europe with France opening". #WorldIntellectualPropertyReview used to write news, now it's mostly PR SPAM. 13 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | HGF expands in Europe with France openingJun 13 18:23
techrights-botOf course #designpatents ought not exist at all, but when money buys laws even merely knowing something from one'e job or employer can become a "crime" see 13 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why changes to Chinaโ€™s design patent law are a big deal | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 13 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Design Patents: When Appearances Rather Than Inventions and Functions Are Oddly Enough Covered by Patents, Not Copyrights or Trademarks | TechrightsJun 13 18:26
techrights-botLet's watch the planet BURN... for #patents ... 13 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Shift In Carbon Capture And Storage Technology? - Intellectual Property - UKJun 13 18:27
techrights-botDo you want to solve climate crisis? This law firm, which faces lawsuits for massive corruption at the moment (not for its shameless promotion of illegal patents), wants to monopolise the solution, then gloats about this suicidal (to humans) agenda. Imagine patent lawyers getting together to secure human survival instead of human exploitation through monopolies. They basically look to just 'monetise' crises which they Jun 13 18:28
techrights-botPainting #extortion and #blackmailing of individuals as an act of emancipation of women. PR tactics and #femmewashing have swept over the litigation and absurd #monopolies microcosm 13 18:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Women in Business Law Awards Europe 2021: register for the virtual awards ceremony | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 13 18:30
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techrights-bot#patents on #sports or how law firms look to poison everything to artificially inflate prices and exploit poorly-paid athletes they even use the propaganda term and misnomer "IP"Jun 13 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Everyday IP: The notable IP of golf, basketball and other sportsJun 13 18:32
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techrights-botAfter "APPLE SILICON" come more buzzwords to impress people. Well, not all people. To impress people who sweat every time they hear "Apple" or "Jobs" or "i" (identifying themselves with an exploitative and oppressive brand) 13 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TSMC's 3DFabric Technology is the next big wave in Chip Design that Apple will take advantage of in the not-too-distant Future - Patently AppleJun 13 18:34
techrights-botConveniently overlooks the fact that the #EPO Enlarged Board of Appeal is a rigged kangaroo court beholden to people who break the law and kidnap judges 13 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European Patent Office Opposition Procedure - Intellectual Property - European UnionJun 13 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Virtual Injustice โ€” Part 4: Mihรกly Ficsor, the EPOโ€™s Hungarian โ€œFixerโ€ | TechrightsJun 13 18:36
techrights-botHas #FDA devolved (not only under Trump) into rubber-stamping agency? Quite a few insiders leave in protest already. 13 18:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FDA approves Alzheimer's treatment under accelerated pathwayJun 13 18:38
techrights-botWhen it says " #FDA used an accelerated regulatory pathway for the approval" it just means to say that FDA broke its own standard, charter, purpose. The whole point of regulation and certification is that there's a time delay and evidentiality-based burden. FDA exists to protect the public, or maybe it's to protect shareholders now?Jun 13 18:40
techrights-botTax is a job destroyer. Regulation is business killer. Right? Myths promoted by corporations that just want to become governments. I.e. control billions of people without earning any consent, e.g. through voting.Jun 13 18:42
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Taxing individuals that make under a middle class income is not a great idea.Jun 13 18:43
techrights-bot44 mins ago: "Maybe #IBM will dispose of Power, if they can find a buyer - they managed to find a buyer for Notes, so apparently anything is possible - but it won't be by shoving it onto Kyndryl's books." #Kyndryl #layoffs #exodus 13 18:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Is there any new information about IBM selling Watson Health? - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 13 18:44
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: right, but what they suggest is not taxing large corporationsJun 13 18:44
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] They spend their entire paycheck, go broke, and end up being the victims of predatory loans. That's why everyone I know, including myself, has been through at least one "voluntary" bankruptcy proceeding.Jun 13 18:44
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] on regulation: 13 18:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jeff Bezosโ€™ bad week gets worse with introduction of sweeping new Big Tech antitrust legislation | Salon.comJun 13 18:45
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Illinois, which is like 90% Democrat, including 100% Democrat in all statewide offices, has the 9th most regressive tax structure in the nation.Jun 13 18:46
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] They say they represent working people when all they really do is tax you and make your life suck so they can hand it all over to state union scum and it ends up back in their grubby little mitts.Jun 13 18:46
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Janus vs. AFSCME was a good start, but so not enough.Jun 13 18:47
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Illinois is making some mild positive reforms, as Stallman put it. It just passed its first usury law, but it set the interest level way too high of course.Jun 13 18:47
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] 26.99%?Jun 13 18:47
techrights-botVillainous lobbying for so-called 'harmonisation', wherein the patent extremists foist their wishlist (as "law") onto other countries (not their own) 13 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Semiconductor in-house speak out on top IP concerns | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 13 18:48
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Fucking Indiana has theirs at 21.99% and they're Republicans!Jun 13 18:48
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Usury, in my opinion, is any loan higher than about 15%.Jun 13 18:48
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] taxing anyone is not a good ideaJun 13 18:48
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] That's usury. Interest alone isn't good, but higher than 15% is definitely usury.Jun 13 18:48
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] it gives the state money they can abuse against the peopleJun 13 18:48
techrights-bot"EU MEPs backed a resolution by 355 votes to 263 supports waiving patents for vaccines, the parliament announced on Thursday." Now we know which politicians are likely bribed by the #patent #monopoly or #cartel of drugs 13 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This week in IP: UK exhaustion review โ€˜concerningโ€™, EU legislator backs COVID waiver, Senate passes trade secrets bill | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 13 18:49
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Usury, broadly defined, is any amount of interest that is so high that there is no likelihood of the debtor ever managing to pay it back.Jun 13 18:49
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] A revolving loan of 15% is already nearly impossible to pay back, because the banks don't cut you off when you get close to your limit. They double your limit.Jun 13 18:50
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: you are crazyJun 13 18:50
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] no uJun 13 18:50
techrights-botMaybe missing the point that the vast proportion of the population thinks #patents on mere design ought not exist at all. It is common sense see 13 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Four ways in-house hone solid design patent strategies | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 13 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Design Patents: When Appearances Rather Than Inventions and Functions Are Oddly Enough Covered by Patents, Not Copyrights or Trademarks | TechrightsJun 13 18:51
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: you want an anarchy state, that is crazyJun 13 18:51
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] no, i don't want any stateJun 13 18:52
techrights-botMore of that #Medtech #propaganda which very often acts as a placeholder for illegal #patents on algorithms see 13 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Healthcare Patent Filing Outsourcing Market to Gain Massive Thrust from Cost-reduction Measures โ€“ TMR Research BlogJun 13 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) โ€” Like MedTech at the EPO โ€” Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | TechrightsJun 13 18:52
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Next Sunday is Father's Day. Mandy says we should go to the zoo to celebrate Felta.Jun 13 18:52
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psydroidmaybe wanting to keep things the way they are now is crazyJun 13 18:52
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] we've tried every model of government and none of them turned out to be workable with humansJun 13 18:52
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] they all turned out to be disastersJun 13 18:52
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I haven't even seen Felta since he dropped by one day in 2012(?) and asked if I wanted to go to the Chinese restaurant.Jun 13 18:53
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] it's time to get rid of the scam known as the "social contract"Jun 13 18:53
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] He hides out and doesn't want anyone to know where Felta and Janice of Borg live.Jun 13 18:53
techrights-botActually, EVs have been around for decades, but it's the #patent gold rush that is growing and the #lawyers thus drool all over themselves 13 18:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Electric Vehicles As An Emerging Technology - Intellectual Property - IndiaJun 13 18:53
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, I started calling my step mother Janice of Borg when I was like 16 or so, before they even got married.Jun 13 18:54
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] :)Jun 13 18:55
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] As in she assimilated my dad with nanobots and he's not allowed to have any contact with his family anymore.Jun 13 18:55
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] borg was a fine personJun 13 18:55
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] he even won some grand slamsJun 13 18:55
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] *granJun 13 18:55
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] lolJun 13 18:55
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] hmm... turns out there's more than oneJun 13 18:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr]รถrn_Borg_(swimmer)รถrn_BorgJun 13 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bjรถrn Borg (swimmer) - WikipediaJun 13 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bjรถrn Borg - WikipediaJun 13 18:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] didn't known about the swimmerJun 13 18:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] "In 1991โ€“1993, Borg attempted a comeback on the men's professional tennis tour, coached by Welsh karate expert Ron Thatcher. Before his 1991 return, Borg grew his hair out as it had been during his previous professional tennis career and he returned to using a wooden racket"Jun 13 18:57
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] well, being a lot is kind of the Borg's thing :>Jun 13 18:57
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I had a page called aboutjan on my site that was hidden with a very small link off to the side that wasn't meant to be seen.Jun 13 18:58
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It had her as the Icon of Sin from Doom.Jun 13 18:59
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] Doom IIJun 13 18:59
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Loaded one of the Doom Midis I had. Netscape would load it in Headspace Beatnik (not a bad midi player, actually).Jun 13 19:00
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Yes.Jun 13 19:00
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Beatnik  MitnickJun 13 19:01
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Beatnik  SputnikJun 13 19:01
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Since I came across gzdoom I don't even play WADs in the original Doom engines.Jun 13 19:01
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] yeah, gzdoom is goodJun 13 19:02
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It managed to update the look and feel without ruining the gameplay and that's pretty neat, since it loads game data that hasn't been modified for almost 30 years now.Jun 13 19:02
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] so's prboom+, for a more backwards compatible implementationJun 13 19:02
techrights-bot"In 2020, the #USPTO proposed a number of changes to its rules to better align them with the ABA Model Rules. Recently, the agency finalized those proposals (with minor changes) to be effective June 25, 2021." Like, what do they know about ethics? It's all about money to them. 13 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Changes to the Rules of Ethics for Patent Law Practitioners | Patently-OJun 13 19:02
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] If you were doing a speedrun and wanted to take advantage of bugs in the original engine as "legal" moves, I think Chocolate Doom would work fine.Jun 13 19:03
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Some custom maps also depend on engine bugs to implement a feature.Jun 13 19:03
techrights-bot"Puri and YBAT have a fairly long history of #litigation over ownership [sic] and control ... undivided ownership [sic]of intellectual [sic] property [sic] rights." [sic] 13 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Joint Ownership and Trademark Registration | Patently-OJun 13 19:03
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] yeah, sometimes gzdoom has exceptions to make them workJun 13 19:04
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] back in the day, zdoom didn't have them all, thoughJun 13 19:04
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Depending on bugs is sort of dangerous because sometimes they get fixed.Jun 13 19:05
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Depending on bugs to make a feature work is a very Windows developer thing.Jun 13 19:05
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] it's also a building on proprietary software thing :>Jun 13 19:05
techrights-botPeople tested positive for #covid19 in the #uk up 49.3% (~half) this past week alone, but we're also testing a lot, almost a million tests per day. Some countries tested PER CAPITA that many in a whole year. So a lot of comparisons would be apples v oranges.Jun 13 19:06
BaronVladimirHar 13 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Explosive Diarrhea' Causes NBC's 'Ultimate Slip 'N Slide' To Pause Production: Report | HuffPostJun 13 19:08
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] What a tragedy.Jun 13 19:10
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: wasn't Felta's your dad's nickname? 13 19:10
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?Jun 13 19:11
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Felta is is real name. He goes by his middle name.Jun 13 19:11
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] huff post is still active/Jun 13 19:11
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] 13 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Did you ever hear? - YouTubeJun 13 19:11
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I did wonder recentlyJun 13 19:11
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] "I can see why you would."Jun 13 19:11
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] HuffPo was ruined by AOLJun 13 19:11
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it used to be a propaganda platform for criminals like GatesJun 13 19:12
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] AOHELLJun 13 19:12
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] felta sounds like a female nameJun 13 19:12
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] or some italian saying feltJun 13 19:13
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] he must have felt bullied at schoolJun 13 19:13
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Oh it gets better. You ask him about it and he gets defensive and says it dates back to Vikings or something.Jun 13 19:13
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] the kid called "felta:Jun 13 19:13
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] melta > feltaJun 13 19:13
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] According to Felta, there were race riots at the high school.Jun 13 19:14
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] pita carl farmerJun 13 19:14
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Someone had their eye stabbed out in the cafeteria with a fork.Jun 13 19:14
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Also boomers, "Your generation sucks."Jun 13 19:14
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: eye see...Jun 13 19:14
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] There's always been unkind feelings between the various races (sometimes, although there's positive stereotypes too).Jun 13 19:15
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] In modern "society", you have to repress that in public or else.Jun 13 19:15
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] "Approach maniac. Repeat the last phrase. Add, 'or else'."Jun 13 19:16
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The world of Demolition Man is the one that mjg59 and co. want to inflict on people.Jun 13 19:16
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Sterile, annoyingly polite, government that bans everything "not good for you".Jun 13 19:17
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Ticket machines that spit out a fine if you say anything they don't approve of.Jun 13 19:17
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] :>Jun 13 19:18
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] You know, down to the cigarettes. The interesting thing about cigarettes is that my great grandmother was one of those folks that grew tobacco in her yard and smoked it.Jun 13 19:19
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Lived well into her 90s.Jun 13 19:19
schestowitzKindOne: why did they k-line you?Jun 13 19:19
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It's this corporate tobacco that's killing people. So what do they do? They make corporate hipster cigarettes.Jun 13 19:19
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] IRC is dying. Many networks listed in HexChat don't even work, including Mozilla's.Jun 13 19:20
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–†โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–‚โ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–‡โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–†โ–ƒโ–„โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–ƒโ–„โ– avg(k/sec) 22.45 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–ƒโ–ˆโ–โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 14.66โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.49  โŸฒJun 13 19:21
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Some have gone from tens of thousands of users to barely over 100.Jun 13 19:21
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] "We need more than deplatforming." -Mozilla / Also Mozilla: Moves to where people are deplatformed in bulk.Jun 13 19:22
schestowitzas long as they can run their servers and people use these, it's aliveJun 13 19:22
schestowitzIRC generally worksJun 13 19:22
schestowitzand has worked for very, very longJun 13 19:22
schestowitzMozilla isn't workingJun 13 19:22
schestowitzso the problem is Mozilla in that case, not IRCJun 13 19:22
schestowitzsome of their stuff was moved to Google Groups, not even 'real' NNTPJun 13 19:22
schestowitzbecause we know Google's reputation keeping things going...Jun 13 19:23
schestowitzlike with Mozilla itselfJun 13 19:23
schestowitzdangling between monopoliesJun 13 19:23
schestowitzpale blue dotJun 13 19:23
schestowitzsudo mv .mozilla /tmp & rebootJun 13 19:24
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Added that to Mastodon, also...Jun 13 19:24
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] "There's no old school hacker stuff going on in Mozilla anymore.Jun 13 19:24
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It's a political party stuffed with idiots and a $3 million dollar a year CEO while the actual software dies and gets stuffed full of DRM and ads.Jun 13 19:24
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] To clear the way for Mitchell Baker's latest $500,000 annual raise, 25% of the Firefox devs were fired. The closest thing left to a browser is Seamonkey."Jun 13 19:24
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] She could have saved 7 or 8 good jobs just by freezing her own salary at $2.5 million.Jun 13 19:25
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] it's not like they need to do much more workJun 13 19:26
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It's nice to know the fine tradition of CEO-ing goes on.Jun 13 19:26
techrights-bot"The UK IPO has also launched a public consultation on the UKโ€™s future exhaustion of intellectual [sic] property [sic] rights [sic] regime." You know only #law firms and #monopolies will respond to it. #ukipo is fronting for and also staffed by them. It's an instrument of occupation. They even brainwash kids in schools now. 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sunday Surprises - The IPKatJun 13 19:26
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] they removed ALSA support from their binaries, copied the chrome uiJun 13 19:26
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Stuffing their own bank accounts while the company circles the toilet bowl.Jun 13 19:26
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] maybe they could just make a rebranded fork of chromium with fewer peopleJun 13 19:27
schestowitzFireiumJun 13 19:27
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Donate to FAILFOX. Mitchell Baker needs another raise!Jun 13 19:27
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] At the rate this is going we get 2, maybe 3 more of these ESR releases before the company goes under or switches to Chromium.Jun 13 19:28
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] There's people hanging on with Firefox 52 ESR. I wonder how well that renders websites these days.Jun 13 19:29
techrights-botDictionary says โ€œpatent โ€ means obvious or apparent #patent #patents #monopolies #protectionism #privatisationJun 13 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent Law - Patently ObviousJun 13 19:29
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Security-wise, that's bad, but also so is the reason they're doing it (unsupported operating system).Jun 13 19:29
techrights-bot#Ubuntu vs. Lubuntu: Everything you need to know โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu vs. Lubuntu: Everything you need to know | Tux MachinesJun 13 19:29
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Hope they're using NoScript except for their bank.Jun 13 19:29
techrights-bot#Huawei is Going to Upgrade Their Devices to HarmonyOS โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Huawei is Going to Upgrade Their Devices to HarmonyOS | Tux MachinesJun 13 19:30
techrights-bot#Google #Android Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 13 19:30
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] That's why the web as a "living thing" sucks. If the browser you use is ruined, you can't just hold out for years on the last version that worked okay and expect everything to more or less work.Jun 13 19:30
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Winamp 2.95 is still floating around out there. The MP3 standard never changes. Every file ever created still works.Jun 13 19:31
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The idea of the browser as anything more than a mechanism for fetching documents and rendering them is fundamentally broken and only cheered on by retards.Jun 13 19:32
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] When they were 5-20 MB, they did nearly anything you'd ever need.Jun 13 19:32
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] you can't really just hold out for years on the last version of networking applications in generalJun 13 19:32
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] maybe with something very simple like netcatJun 13 19:32
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Even mjg59's favorite, Shitter, used to have a static-like website that mostly worked even on ancient browsers.Jun 13 19:33
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] social applications in general. Can't hold onto your pre-mp3 media playerJun 13 19:33
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] because it won't play mp3sJun 13 19:33
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] well that's not even social. it's just STUFF in generalJun 13 19:33
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] No JavaScript. Now you have to turn on a dangerous scripting platform responsible for 90% of all CVEs in the browser just to read what he thinks about how unfair life is to womyn.Jun 13 19:33
schestowitzFSF belatedly moaned about birdsiteJun 13 19:33
schestowitzmonths after techrights pointed out, several times, the JS trapJun 13 19:34
schestowitzbut FSF is still on thereJun 13 19:34
schestowitzoddly enoughJun 13 19:34
schestowitzmaybe "mass appeal" and all thatJun 13 19:34
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Security experts used to just say "Turn JavaScript off. It adds, at best, minor features to the site. It's extremely dangerous.".Jun 13 19:34
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i wonder which year that advice is fromJun 13 19:35
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Now you try it and nothing works. Not because it couldn't, but because they WANT spyware and malware shoved onto your computer.Jun 13 19:35
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] nowadays you won't see any content on a "modern" site without javascriptJun 13 19:35
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Without JS, most serious against a web browser simply will not work, even if you haven't installed updates for years.Jun 13 19:36
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] *serious attacksJun 13 19:36
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] "what's an img element? i need at least 25 frameworks to get a web browser to display an image!"Jun 13 19:36
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] img element...also known as HTML....a feature implemented as Quirks Mode for legacy sites with pages measuring kilobytes.Jun 13 19:37
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] See also, crimethink.Jun 13 19:37
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] :>Jun 13 19:37
psydroidit's even more preposterous to think there wouldn't be a reaction to this development (such as Gemini)Jun 13 19:38
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Silly MinceR.....Not loading jquery off a remote server.Jun 13 19:38
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Good web design requires making your user wait for giant elements to load off of servers that might be down or unresponsive before your page can do anything!Jun 13 19:39
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] don't forget loading javascript from 9001 different domainsJun 13 19:39
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] preferably with names the user can't decodeJun 13 19:39
techrights-botIt's almost like #doom modeled the enemies after #coronavirus 13 19:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to play Doom: Eternal on LinuxJun 13 19:40
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] is my favorite! I especially like how this obfuscated script is poking around trying to load Widevine to fingerprint me with.Jun 13 19:40
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] :>Jun 13 19:40
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Said nobody ever.Jun 13 19:40
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Except Conde Nasty.Jun 13 19:40
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] those enemies were actually modelled after the original cacodemon, which was modelled after the head of the astral dreadnought from AD&DJun 13 19:41
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] (influenced by beholders, also from AD&D)Jun 13 19:41
techrights-bot"congratulations to CNSA for this accomplishment and hope for a good international cooperation in the exploration of space." Plutocrats dream of planetary escape because/before the pitchforks come out. 13 19:42
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] mjg59 is one of those people that actually likes those Wiretap Speakers that don't even pretend to do something useful, which listen to everything in your house at all times.Jun 13 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ยป Chinese Space Agency (CNSA) publishes Zhurong Mars rover pictures of its Mars mission โ€“ one very large 360 picture โ€“ how did it do the selfie โ€“ rover designed to last only 90 Marsian days | dwaves.deJun 13 19:42
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] "Let's see, I can MITM this and look, there's traffic I can only pretend to understand. And it crashed!"Jun 13 19:43
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] About the only thing you can figure out on a modern OS is to what domain it's sending encrypted junk to every day.Jun 13 19:43
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Windows 10 bypasses the HOSTS file to send reports about you back to Microsoft.Jun 13 19:43
schestowitz[19:40] <tr-bridge> [DaemonFC/tr] Except Conde Nasty.Jun 13 19:44
schestowitzRMS and I made up that nameJun 13 19:44
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] They anticipated people figuring out their telemetry domains and blocking them.Jun 13 19:44
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] s/telemetry/spyware/gJun 13 19:45
schestowitzwell, the said troll works for a company which makes "cars" that are informants to insurance companiesJun 13 19:45
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The only thing people really know is that lower settings for Telemetry do result in smaller ZIP files being sent to Microsoft, but they're encrypted, so you have no idea what's in them.Jun 13 19:45
schestowitzso they're not really the driver's carsJun 13 19:45
schestowitzthey're tenants or passengersJun 13 19:45
schestowitzwith a wheelJun 13 19:45
schestowitz5th wheel :-)Jun 13 19:45
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] 5th wheel trailer? :>Jun 13 19:45
psydroidyou'll probably get bonus pointsJun 13 19:46
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] why are you still on freenode?Jun 13 19:46
psydroidthe more bonus points collected the more you pay for your insuranceJun 13 19:46
schestowitzit's insuring the shareholdersJun 13 19:46
schestowitzand they pass laws to make car insurance obligatoryJun 13 19:47
schestowitzwith hardly any safeguard against price gouging, overcharging, cartel, price fixing etc.Jun 13 19:47
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] car insurance is supposed to be obligatory because otherwise the person you crash into doesn't get paidJun 13 19:47
schestowitzwe pay lots of money for home insuranceJun 13 19:47
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i'm still on freenode because it would be difficult to manage our channels there if i wasn't there :>Jun 13 19:47
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] but leave it to america to corrupt itJun 13 19:47
schestowitznot likely we'll ever see anything for itJun 13 19:47
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] why would you have freenode channelsJun 13 19:47
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] also, two legs are more stable than oneJun 13 19:47
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] it's easier for people to find us this wayJun 13 19:48
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] One leg's in manure, but sureJun 13 19:48
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] and it's also more difficult to silence usJun 13 19:48
schestowitzimmibis why change the subject?Jun 13 19:48
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: that's what the rubber boot is forJun 13 19:48
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Yea, that was my argument for the bridge to LCJun 13 19:48
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] nobody really wanted to manage the LC sideJun 13 19:48
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] not even superkuhJun 13 19:48
schestowitzthey cannotJun 13 19:48
schestowitzLC is already managedJun 13 19:49
schestowitzby "signed by" folksJun 13 19:49
schestowitzsee shithubJun 13 19:49
schestowitzpetiion to FSFJun 13 19:49
schestowitzblackmailing FSF to shun FSF founderJun 13 19:49
*tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] looks at 13 19:49
schestowitzbecause of pure nonsenseJun 13 19:49
schestowitzXRevan86 yes, the people who run LCJun 13 19:49
schestowitzthey put it thereJun 13 19:49
schestowitzand they host LC on Microsoft serversJun 13 19:50
schestowitznot just their codeJun 13 19:50
schestowitzbut the actual siteJun 13 19:50
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] Oh, it's shut downJun 13 19:50
schestowitzproprietary softwareJun 13 19:50
schestowitzthen we're lectured by them on RMS  and FSFJun 13 19:50
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] are we saying server rental is antifree nowJun 13 19:50
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: And then by someone called rasenganJun 13 19:50
schestowitz 13 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Re: Please, no GitHubJun 13 19:50
schestowitz2015Jun 13 19:50
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] > Co-authored-by: Andrew Lee <rasengan@Andrews-MacBook-Air.local>Jun 13 19:50
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] That's not a "signed by"?Jun 13 19:51
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] lolJun 13 19:51
schestowitzcan we go back on topic?Jun 13 19:51
schestowitzIRC wars are unproductive nowJun 13 19:51
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: he probably meant 13 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.ioJun 13 19:51
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] We're travelling through circular logicJun 13 19:51
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] MinceR: ahJun 13 19:51
schestowitzwe found something else to focus on, like Mozilla and then cars that spy on peopleJun 13 19:51
schestowitztrolls like to change the subject to sexJun 13 19:51
schestowitzand then moan about statements that aren't P-C re sexJun 13 19:51
schestowitzin IRC it just leads to frictionJun 13 19:52
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] On a good side I just noticed that freenode's GitHub page is archivedJun 13 19:52
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] this could be a good thing or a bad thingJun 13 19:52
schestowitzXRevan86 for the record, it's a truly IMpractical piece of hardware that says little but "look at me, I AM RICH! CAN AFFORD"Jun 13 19:52
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: In a FOSS community that's actually not a good look.Jun 13 19:53
schestowitzXRevan86 he told me something about self-hosting, IIRCJun 13 19:53
schestowitzgitJun 13 19:53
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] XRevan86: which one?Jun 13 19:53
schestowitzgit.freenodeJun 13 19:53
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Car insurance is a scam like home insurance.Jun 13 19:53
schestowitz[02:39] <schestowitz> thanks, wish you'd have a self-hosted git repo tbhJun 13 19:53
schestowitz[02:41] <schestowitz> 13 19:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Delete Github - TechrightsJun 13 19:53
schestowitz[02:44] <rasengan> ah true, i'll move everything to soon xDJun 13 19:53
tr-bridge[XRevan86/tr] indeed, that's goodJun 13 19:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Projects ยท Explore ยท GitLabJun 13 19:53
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Basically they take your money and if the slightest little thing happens, your new rate next renewal cycle is what you were paying plus three times what the claim cost them spread out over 3 years.Jun 13 19:54
schestowitzwe managed to convince many projects alreadyJun 13 19:54
schestowitzrockylinus moved off github to self-hosted gitlabJun 13 19:54
schestowitzour campaign has been hugely successfulJun 13 19:54
schestowitzand the message spreads fastJun 13 19:54
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Insurance is heads I win, tails you lose for the insurance people.Jun 13 19:55
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] In theory, you can get uninsured motorist coverage in case someone else is driving illegally, but then you're at war with your own insurance company, who will try to pay nothing or as little as possible, and you'll have to find a lawyer to sue them with.Jun 13 19:55
techrights-botSeems like #freenode decided to #deletegithub (and never mind your opinion on FN, that's a positive) 13 19:55
techrights-botHow Free & Open Source Software Can Save Online Privacy โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Free & Open Source Software Can Save Online Privacy | Tux MachinesJun 13 19:56
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] This isn't my first barbecue.Jun 13 19:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: very unlikely I will own a car againJun 13 19:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] because friends of mine show me what's in their new 'cars'Jun 13 19:56
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Health insurance is nastier yet. BTW, since Trump deleted the fine for not buying it, the insurance companies have come back to the table to throw in more sweeteners into the pot.Jun 13 19:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] and it's lots of computing I can't tell the agency to omitJun 13 19:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] also, insurance companies charge moreJun 13 19:57
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] like energy providers here, if you don't have "smart" meter and use their "web site"Jun 13 19:57
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Car insurance is not mandatory in like a state or two and, wouldn't you know it, those are the cheapest places to get it.Jun 13 19:57
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Even though people can drive uninsured and the state won't penalize them for it, which would theoretically add more risk to the pool of drivers. Since you don't have to buy it, they have to lower prices to get you to say that's a good risk/benefit calculation.Jun 13 19:58
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Imagine that.Jun 13 19:58
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Risk: You give the insurance company money every month even if nothing happens. Benefit: If you hit someone, the insurance kicks in and you aren't facing a major lawsuit.Jun 13 19:59
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Instead of the state making it a criminal misdemeanor and that's the only thing most people think about.Jun 13 19:59
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] So prices go down because you're looking purely at what the insurance is actually worth, and the price going down means some people would buy it even if they would choose to break the law if it required it.Jun 13 20:00
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] So some of the uninsured problem is self-canceling due to choice bringing down price.Jun 13 20:00
schestowitzit's a big issueJun 13 20:01
schestowitzhardly anyone speaks about thisJun 13 20:01
schestowitzBTW, out of curiosity, does anyone know if RMS ever drove a car?Jun 13 20:01
schestowitzI guess that's similar to asking is he had a driver's licenceJun 13 20:01
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It's a good idea to have a license even if you have no car.Jun 13 20:02
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It means you could drive a car if you ever needed to, even if you normally don't.Jun 13 20:02
schestowitzyou can rentJun 13 20:03
schestowitzbut it's trickyJun 13 20:03
BaronVladimirHarYes.Jun 13 20:03
schestowitzlots of paperwork and stuffJun 13 20:03
schestowitzso hardly worth the hassleJun 13 20:03
schestowitzbetter to hitch a taxiJun 13 20:03
schestowitzmy licence is still validJun 13 20:03
schestowitzrenewed 2 years agoJun 13 20:03
BaronVladimirHarThe only difference between state id and driver's license assuming you don't let the license lapse more than a year is that every 4 years you owe Illinois $10 more for the license.Jun 13 20:04
schestowitzthey don't expire just cause you don't drive much, you just need to ensure you extend/renew itJun 13 20:04
BaronVladimirHarYes, once you have a license just don't allow it to lapse and it's not especially burdensome to maintain compared to an ID.Jun 13 20:04
schestowitzi find many of today's cars not attractive enough, the new ones, because they automate too much (no manual) and they spy a lot Jun 13 20:04
schestowitzit's like using 'chromebookJun 13 20:05
schestowitzinstead of 'real' computersJun 13 20:05
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BaronVladimirHarI have an automatic transmission. It was before GM used those stupid Continuously Variable Transmission designs.Jun 13 20:05
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i wish i had bought a car with an automatic transmissionJun 13 20:05
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] it would probably make congestion a lot less annoyingJun 13 20:06
BaronVladimirHarWhere you have to chuck the entire thing every 50,000 miles or so because it blew up and mechanics can't fix it. The CVT ones are fucking terrible.Jun 13 20:06
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schestowitzlowering 'barrier to entry' wrt to car presents new issuesJun 13 20:06
schestowitzlike people ON the road, who probably should not be thereJun 13 20:07
MinceRwe've had that issue for agesJun 13 20:07
schestowitzbecause they'd bang you inside your cars and stuff, or worse, as pedestrianJun 13 20:07
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BaronVladimirHarIf you maintain a regular electro-hydrostatic transmission they normally last hundreds of thousands of miles.Jun 13 20:07
MinceRit didn't really depend on automatizing thingsJun 13 20:07
schestowitzdid not help eitherJun 13 20:08
BaronVladimirHarIf you change out the fluid every 60,000 miles or so, indefinite lifespan. At least as long as the engine in 90% of the cases.Jun 13 20:08
schestowitzmy mom is a really awful driverJun 13 20:08
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BaronVladimirHarSo it mine.Jun 13 20:08
schestowitzwhich makes sense, she doesn't ride bikes, doesn't play computer games etc.Jun 13 20:08
BaronVladimirHar*isJun 13 20:08
schestowitzcoordination skills aren't something people are born withJun 13 20:08
BaronVladimirHarAll these companies do CVT now because it gives them better CAFE fines.Jun 13 20:08
BaronVladimirHarBut it forces the car into astronomical repair costs soon after the warranty ends.Jun 13 20:09
schestowitzcars suck nowJun 13 20:09
BaronVladimirHarToyota is the only company that makes a reliable CVT.Jun 13 20:09
schestowitzwe can agree on thatJun 13 20:09
MinceReCVT is niceJun 13 20:09
schestowitznever mind the tehc [sic] they strap onto themJun 13 20:09
MinceRbut even more expensiveJun 13 20:09
schestowitzlike I need beeps to help me parkJun 13 20:09
BaronVladimirHarIt's worse. They gave me a loaner at the Kia dealer.Jun 13 20:10
schestowitz"shut the f up, I know I'm near to that car, I'm not blind"Jun 13 20:10
BaronVladimirHarIt almost lane assisted me into a car accident.Jun 13 20:10
BaronVladimirHarFighting me for the wheel while I was running out of ramp.Jun 13 20:10
MinceRLKA can be turned offJun 13 20:10
schestowitzall sorts of useful featuresJun 13 20:10
MinceRi turned it offJun 13 20:10
schestowitzand selling pointsJun 13 20:10
schestowitztech with little or no practical value, maybe showoffJun 13 20:10
schestowitzand it doesn't lower repair costsJun 13 20:10
schestowitzit drives them way up, not even mechanical, so cannot fix it yourselfJun 13 20:11
BaronVladimirHarI've been driving long enough to know how to merge onto a highway but the car didn't think I had enough room and almost drove me into a Ginsu guardrail.Jun 13 20:11
schestowitzMinceR: you paid for itJun 13 20:11
schestowitzpatent licensing, tooJun 13 20:11
BaronVladimirHarNo more Ryan. Courtesy of Kia.Jun 13 20:11
MinceRstill got a pretty good dealJun 13 20:11
schestowitzelectric windows are hard and expensive to repairJun 13 20:12
schestowitzsome people won't repair themJun 13 20:12
MinceRelectric windows are also convenientJun 13 20:12
schestowitzwould rather just keep them permanently shutJun 13 20:12
MinceRand you can move all the windowsJun 13 20:12
MinceRif you want a lot of fresh air, you can open all the windows without leaving the driver's seatJun 13 20:12
BaronVladimirHarYou get this crap on new cars because some fucking retard out there opened their door and then threw the car into reverse while standing on the gas pedal to get his cheeseburger at McDonalds. Now we all have to suffer because of Big Daddy Government.Jun 13 20:12
MinceRand you can close them all afterwardsJun 13 20:12
schestowitzthat's the "killer feature" if you drive alone in a car heavier than you needJun 13 20:13
MinceRi kind of wished i had a moon roof too, when i drove in the forest, turned off the AC, opened all the windows and enjoyed the airJun 13 20:13
MinceRneeds are not that easy to predictJun 13 20:13
BaronVladimirHarBack in the 1980s many cars never even had a shift actuator.Jun 13 20:13
schestowitzit messes up the cleanlinessJun 13 20:13
schestowitzand you can get poop on the seats from birds and stuffJun 13 20:14
schestowitzin a forest you get conesJun 13 20:14
BaronVladimirHarMost people lived because they were far less stupid back then.Jun 13 20:14
MinceRi would keep them closed in most cases, and i don't mind conesJun 13 20:14
schestowitzthe car becomes like garden furnitureJun 13 20:14
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Who stands on the gas pedal, with the door open, and the car in reverse?Jun 13 20:14
MinceRlolJun 13 20:15
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It's not someone I want in my phone book. (Paraphrasing Bill Hicks.)Jun 13 20:15
schestowitzlolJun 13 20:15
schestowitz"Drop dead" hicksJun 13 20:15
schestowitzhe dropped dead, fastJun 13 20:15
schestowitztoo much smokingJun 13 20:15
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Yeah. It's something for everyone.Jun 13 20:16
techrights-bot"After watching Raku, the Big by Bruce Gray I can only agree with the assessment of how difficult it is to teach Raku to a beginner." #programming #perl #rakulangJun 13 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Teaching on a waterbed | Playing Perl 6โ›b6xA RakuJun 13 20:16
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] For Garrett, it'll be Grindr.Jun 13 20:16
techrights-botTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 13 20:16
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It almost led to the untimely demise of John a few times, like the time he met that Mexican guy who said let's go into that wooded area where nobody can see us messing around, just away from where anyone can see us from the L.Jun 13 20:17
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Oh, and now I have a gun. Hoe hoe hoe!Jun 13 20:17
schestowitz"I don't see nuthin' wrong... with a lil' bump & grindr"Jun 13 20:17
schestowitzthen it turned out he was like EpsteinJun 13 20:17
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] ("Now I have a machine gun....ho ho ho...." -Hans Gruber, Die Hard)Jun 13 20:17
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Get it? Die Hard.Jun 13 20:17
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I'm on fire today.Jun 13 20:18
schestowitzwon't be hard for longJun 13 20:18
schestowitzthe circulation starts with the heartJun 13 20:18
MinceRlolJun 13 20:18
schestowitzlike that scene in Lolita where he shoots that old pervertJun 13 20:19
schestowitzin his robeJun 13 20:19
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I liked that movie Hard Candy.Jun 13 20:19
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Was that the name of it?Jun 13 20:19
schestowitzI think just "Lolita"Jun 13 20:19
schestowitzmaybe we can find scenesJun 13 20:19
schestowitzor maybe ask Bill GatesJun 13 20:20
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The only reason I get to see a lot of this stuff is because of torrents because they don't put it in the library, they don't put it in the theater, they don't put it on Netfucks.Jun 13 20:20
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Where are you supposed to see it at?Jun 13 20:20
schestowitzhe might have some engineers with portable drives and the whole thingJun 13 20:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lolita (1997 film) - WikipediaJun 13 20:20
schestowitzit was a very successful film in its daysJun 13 20:20
schestowitzI guess now there would be reasons not to even produce such a filmJun 13 20:21
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] "You need to pay the artists." Okay, how? "Well, you give us 100% of the money and we give them 1% of what you paid us." Uhhhh. "And if you bittorrent, we'll sue." Okay....... "Also, it's not available on that streaming app. Buy another subscription."Jun 13 20:21
schestowitz"The performances by Irons and Swain impressed audiences, but, although praised by some critics for its faithfulness to Nabokov's narrative, the film received a mixed critical reception in the United States. Lolita was met with much controversy in Australia, where it was not given a theatrical release until April 1999."Jun 13 20:21
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] So this is a feed the sparrows through the horses deal, with the MAFIAA outfits like Disney and such.Jun 13 20:22
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Then it turns into something shittier and more expensive than cable TV packages because there's 12 apps and they all cost $15 a month.Jun 13 20:23
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Why is everything "feed the sparrows through the horses"?Jun 13 20:23
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] From taxes to copyrights?Jun 13 20:23
techrights-botOoooof. "Masters" in the title. #IBM should send out racist Watson to publish this site... 13 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux on Chromebooks Archives - About ChromebooksJun 13 20:23
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Also, that's a bad analogy. Horses can be made to work.Jun 13 20:23
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Bezos, Cook, and Gates don't work.Jun 13 20:23
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Gates slipped out of the office when he was at MSFT each day and was banging all sorts of women as a side piece from his wife.Jun 13 20:24
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Bezos pays no income taxes because he gets paid in stock. The reason he wants stock is because you don't pay taxes on stocks until you sell them, and you pay Capital Gains, which is half the rate of income when you sell them.Jun 13 20:25
techrights-bot#Intel updates #Linux with support for Sapphire Rapids' in-package HBM2e memory | TechSpot โš“ ไท‰ #techspot | more in 13 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel updates Linux with support for Sapphire Rapids' in-package HBM2e memory | TechSpotJun 13 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 13 20:25
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] NPR left out the bit about Capital Gains being 15% instead of over 30%.Jun 13 20:25
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] At the very worst, with Capital Gains, you pay a tax rate that's less than what my mom does as a nurse.Jun 13 20:26
schestowitzNPR now tops up Gates bribery with Microsoft briberyJun 13 20:26
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Why wouldn't you want to be paid in stock?Jun 13 20:26
schestowitzas recently disclosed... in an article... ABOUT MicrosoftJun 13 20:26
MinceRa natural combinationJun 13 20:26
schestowitzNPR: bribed-supported programmeJun 13 20:26
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Also, if it goes down for whatever reason, you can declare a loss and carry it forward.Jun 13 20:27
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] You can't do that with income.Jun 13 20:27
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Trump paid no tax for 20 years because his casino in New Jersey went down so hard in 1995.Jun 13 20:27
schestowitz*bribes-supportedJun 13 20:27
schestowitzlike his mate ShiltonJun 13 20:28
schestowitzbutJun 13 20:28
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It would be nice if you could do it with income.Jun 13 20:28
schestowitzbut he didn't go down hardJun 13 20:28
schestowitzhe went down softJun 13 20:28
schestowitz*ShletonJun 13 20:28
schestowitzthough the typo was funnierJun 13 20:28
schestowitzhe was a SHILLton for Orange MonsterJun 13 20:28
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I got a $200,000 hospital bill. I make $30,000 a year. I won't be paying taxes for several years while I recover from this mess. Thanks!Jun 13 20:28
schestowitzyou make income?Jun 13 20:29
schestowitzyou don't even workJun 13 20:29
MinceR"you guys are getting paid?"Jun 13 20:29
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Things wipe out wage earners all the time and the only thing you can do is maybe declare it as a deduction for that tax year, but only to the extent that your tax doesn't go lower than zero for one year.Jun 13 20:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | United States Government Debt | 1942-2021 Data | 2022-2023 Forecast | HistoricalJun 13 20:30
schestowitz2012: 13 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | ReutersJun 13 20:30
schestowitz2021 would maybe be that number, twice over!Jun 13 20:30
schestowitz"who do we owe all that money to??????"Jun 13 20:30
schestowitz"ask the man who owns the most farmland"Jun 13 20:31
schestowitz 13 20:31
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Like, if Mandy or I got a ridiculous medical bill that year, I'd declare that instead of our standard deduction. But it's unlikely, because his plan limits his out of pockets to like $6,830 and the standard deduction is $12,500 per taxpayer.Jun 13 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The NationJun 13 20:31
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: did you see [14:32] <techrights-bot/fn> When you can tell news is slow: @michaelLarabal I'ma gonna write about ma table again ;-) ?Jun 13 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Last Year's L-Shaped Desk Build Has Been Holding Up Well - PhoronixJun 13 20:32
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] desks are techJun 13 20:32
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] tehc !!Jun 13 20:32
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Trump lowered taxes on wage earners, but not by as much as it seemed.Jun 13 20:32
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The personal exemption could still be declared even if you itemized.Jun 13 20:33
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I don't know exactly how much more we'd end up paying the IRS using the pre-2017 tax code. Probably like $500-600 more over the course of a year. Which is not an amount of money I want to lose to the government.Jun 13 20:34
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] But it benefited the rich a hell of a lot more, and the government did not slow down spending, so it comes back as inflation and regular peons lose anyway. Even more than the tax savings.Jun 13 20:34
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Tax cuts appear to stimulate the economy more than they actually do. GDP goes up by a staggering amount, but it's in inflated dollars.Jun 13 20:35
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Biden is reaping GDP numbers that are wholly a result of inflation from Trump's tax law, ridiculous and unsustainable deficit spending, and recovery to a level of activity that was normal anyway before the Coronavirus.Jun 13 20:36
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] This is no miracle.Jun 13 20:36
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] This is another raid on the Treasury, using the Cold Virus 2019 as pretext.Jun 13 20:36
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] There's no evidence that the world got out of this Coronavirus pandemic any better off, relatively speaking, than it did when the Coronavirus that caused the Russian Flu of 1890 emerged.Jun 13 20:37
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Despite the advances in technology.Jun 13 20:37
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Then it fades into the background and becomes Common Cold cause number 1,001 and the government will take credit for it.Jun 13 20:38
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Mayor Beetlejuice was declaring victory yesterday. The state's in ruins. Chicago is ruined. A million Americans are dead.Jun 13 20:39
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Victory!Jun 13 20:39
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Hey, Navy Pier is open.Jun 13 20:39
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Beetlejuice and JaBba Pritzker need the taxes. How will there be any government workers if you don't spend until you die?Jun 13 20:41
techrights-botA Guide to Emulation with #RetroPie - Make Tech Easier โš“ ไท‰ #maketecheasier | more in 13 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Guide to Emulation with RetroPie - Make Tech EasierJun 13 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 13 20:42
techrights-bot"Bill quits Manjaro and comments on documentation. We get more feedback on the #Pinebook Pro, questions about browsers, and an additional alternative to LastPass." #gnu #linuxJun 13 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Going Linux ยท ShownotesJun 13 20:43
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] schestowitz, State/City costs you 20% in taxes if you buy something off of Steam.Jun 13 20:44
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Not sure about Gog.Jun 13 20:44
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] What did Illinois or Chicago do to make my video game download more valuable?Jun 13 20:44
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] You can tell them you live in Indiana though. They don't check.Jun 13 20:44
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Taxation is theft, so avoiding taxes is no more immoral than seeing some guy that's shifty and probably has a gun coming down the block and changing course to avoid him.Jun 13 20:45
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] MinceR probably agrees. :)Jun 13 20:45
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] usually yes, but if different people get different chances at avoiding theft, that can be unfairJun 13 20:46
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Jeff Bezos doesn't pay anything, and spends his savings going into spaaaaaaace.Jun 13 20:46
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] So I'm supposed to feel bad about telling Steam I'm in Indiana?Jun 13 20:46
*tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] changes VPN to Indianapolis.Jun 13 20:47
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] "Indiana" (quotation fingers)Jun 13 20:47
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] probably notJun 13 20:47
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] If I have a tax savings, I'll spend it on food, which Illinois taxes, or medicine, which they tax, or rent, which they tax.Jun 13 20:48
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] So they'll get it anyway.Jun 13 20:48
techrights-bot"If you are a #GNU #Linux user you definitely need to try YOGA. It is free and open source image optimizer, which is a great choice for any site owner that cares about image optimization and performance. The image compression is very effective and optimized images being a lot smaller in size." 13 20:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Image Optimizer for Free: Meet YOGA and Learn How to Use itJun 13 20:48
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Rick Green (The New Red Green Show) was telling Harold that by avoiding tax, he'd spend it and they'd tax everyone along the way and get it all anyway.Jun 13 20:48
techrights-bot#Games : Quake, Smach Z, and DLSS โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 20:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: Quake, Smach Z, and DLSS | Tux MachinesJun 13 20:48
techrights-botAudiocasts/Shows: Going Linux, Ubuntu Unity 21.04, and This Week in Linux โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Audiocasts/Shows: Going Linux, Ubuntu Unity 21.04, and This Week in Linux | Tux MachinesJun 13 20:49
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, The Impala is turning into the "Possum Van" anyway.Jun 13 20:49
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy!Jun 13 20:49
techrights-botKernel Stuf and Intelโ€™s Latest Linux Changes โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kernel Stuf and Intel's Latest Linux Changes | Tux MachinesJun 13 20:49
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] DaemonFC: how many possums live in it?Jun 13 20:50
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I might do one of those duct tape repairs on my leather seats if they get any worse.Jun 13 20:50
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Running the Impala makes sense because I have a repair budget this way vs running something newer that doesn't break down a lot.Jun 13 20:51
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] People  don't appreciate a beater car.Jun 13 20:51
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The Impala doesn't generally "just break down". It's a bunch of parts that just wear down and start making a disconcerting "If you don't fix me, I will snap." noise.Jun 13 20:52
techrights-bot#9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: June 13th, 2021 โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: June 13th, 2021 | Tux MachinesJun 13 20:57
techrights-botIn the Second Year of #KWinFT โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In the Second Year of KWinFT | Tux MachinesJun 13 20:58
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techrights-bot#Security Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 21:05
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I've taken to just making my own spaghetti sauce and ketchup.Jun 13 21:08
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The store bought stuff is sky high in sodium and I can avoid like 80% of that if I make my own.Jun 13 21:08
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It's ridiculous just how bad shopping for food is for you. Like 90% of the stuff at the supermarket is stuff that your doctor will wag the finger over.Jun 13 21:09
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It's getting to the point where the only thing left to eat will be Bill's Burgers and a side salad.Jun 13 21:09
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] schestowitz, The government itself now says that inflation's the worst it has been since 1992.Jun 13 21:16
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] If that's what they'll admit to, then ruh roh.Jun 13 21:17
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Inflation is boiling over, they admit it's boiling over, then in the same breath they say it isn't a problem.Jun 13 21:17
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] they'll just print more money :>Jun 13 21:18
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Which is what started the problem to begin with.Jun 13 21:18
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The fire department has come out and is spraying the 5 alarm fire with fresh gasoline.Jun 13 21:19
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] it's not a problem for them :>Jun 13 21:19
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] No, this is stagflation being presented as an economic miracle.Jun 13 21:20
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] They couldn't pass it by people in the 70s because they were too smart for it back then.Jun 13 21:20
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] fucking up and presenting it as a miracle is so 21st centuryJun 13 21:20
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ–†โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–ƒโ–†โ–†โ–†โ–‡โ–…โ–ƒโ–‡โ–โ–‚โ–†โ–…โ–‡โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 24.91 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 6.00โ–• swarm size (avg): 244.54  โŸฒJun 13 21:21
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] like uefi and systemdJun 13 21:21
techrights-botLinks 13/6/2021: Linux 5.14 Work, Lots of Patent News โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 13 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 13/6/2021: Linux 5.14 Work, Lots of Patent News | TechrightsJun 13 21:24
techrights-bot#Programming Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 13 21:25
techrights-botTodayโ€™s ๐“๐ฎ๐ฑ ๐Œ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ฌ Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's hardware leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 13 21:25
techrights-botTodayโ€™s ๐“๐ฎ๐ฑ ๐Œ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ฌ Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ 13 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 13 21:26
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tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] wb, AdmFubarJun 13 21:33
techrights-botKDE Framework 5.84 - Expandable Tooltips โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 13 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE Framework 5.84 - Expandable Tooltips | Tux MachinesJun 13 21:35
AdmFubarhi royJun 13 21:37
techrights-bot#geminiProtocol helps reduce linking clutter. Text first, references at the end (or every now and then) 13 21:37
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techrights-botToday we improved this #techrights page in the Gemini capsule gemini:// about 8,000 page requests today (gemini:// alone)Jun 13 21:39
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Howdy room.Jun 13 21:39
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I noticed my home based cable internet provider is big on blocking self hosting websites.Jun 13 21:40
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] IPFS sneaks through since it isn't using a port per se.Jun 13 21:40
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] howdyJun 13 21:40
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] try gemini alsoJun 13 21:40
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it's lightJun 13 21:40
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Have you guys found a way to host gemini with annoying home providers?Jun 13 21:40
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] that block hosting?Jun 13 21:41
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] about 1 megabyes per 100 page requestsJun 13 21:41
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] home hosting is hard because of upstream speedsJun 13 21:41
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] they cripple thatJun 13 21:41
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] superficially most of the timeJun 13 21:41
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] maybe we have a gemini/ipfs combo deal going already :>Jun 13 21:41
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it also helps stifle high throughput p2pJun 13 21:41
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yep.Jun 13 21:41
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] except Windows Update ^_^Jun 13 21:41
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] the "approved" botnetJun 13 21:41
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I thought I saw some gateways between the two but didn't see any clear guides on setting up your own.Jun 13 21:42
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] you can combine themJun 13 21:42
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] chaining themJun 13 21:42
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] This new cable router I think is blocking at the Layer two level.Jun 13 21:42
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] we did that to a degreeJun 13 21:42
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it might help if you want to host videosJun 13 21:42
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] over geminiJun 13 21:42
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I am thinking a pretty simple text site.Jun 13 21:42
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] gemini is terrible is doing large files, not even crc'sJun 13 21:42
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] but I am uncertain how to link my domain with ddns such that my home IP doesn't bitch about me hosting something.Jun 13 21:43
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I was just doing some maintenance work on gemini:// 13 21:43
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] other than say a VPN.Jun 13 21:43
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I was looking over that site.Jun 13 21:43
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I like the direction it is taking.Jun 13 21:43
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] iirc, ddns will give you a subdomainJun 13 21:43
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] and let you manage the ip for itJun 13 21:44
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yes, it does, but then the cable modem blocks the IP requests.Jun 13 21:44
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] if you set up a decent capsule you can get your own domain and managed it for dns cheaplyJun 13 21:44
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] *manageJun 13 21:44
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] depends on portJun 13 21:44
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] open up port 1965Jun 13 21:44
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] all right I'll give that a try.Jun 13 21:44
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I thought about that...but figured they were looking for traffic to ports in general.Jun 13 21:45
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] you can also host gemini on a third party, but if you are sort of technical I'd not recommend thatJun 13 21:45
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I'd prefer to host my own.Jun 13 21:45
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it can travel with youJun 13 21:45
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] exactly!Jun 13 21:45
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] which is cool.Jun 13 21:45
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] my personal site turns 20 soonJun 13 21:46
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] email alsoJun 13 21:46
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] back in the golden days of 2001 eh?Jun 13 21:46
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I used to have an angelfire site back in the day.Jun 13 21:46
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] that was kinda fun.Jun 13 21:46
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] coming soon: windows media player DRMJun 13 21:46
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I don't use windows for anything.Jun 13 21:46
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I was on geocities in the 90sJun 13 21:46
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yep, I remember that era as well.Jun 13 21:46
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] but it was a pretty worthless site, not much of value was lostJun 13 21:46
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] A lot of it was favorite bands.Jun 13 21:47
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] I still have a backup of it on some hard driveJun 13 21:47
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] but I think it encouraged people to make things.Jun 13 21:47
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] which in and of itself is better than them not making anything.Jun 13 21:47
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] gemini brings back the funJun 13 21:47
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] That's what I'm looking to do.Jun 13 21:47
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I started using asciidoc for a website the other day...Jun 13 21:47
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] no more frequent patching and issues or botnets or fussy webhostsJun 13 21:47
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] and kept it fairly simple and enjoyed making it.Jun 13 21:47
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] hosting images from home is OK until you get the "X effect" e.g. Slashdot (before it sucked)Jun 13 21:48
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] lol. Yep.Jun 13 21:48
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] and that's when you REALLY need to it to be robust as you get noticedJun 13 21:48
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I get censored at slashdot pretty often.Jun 13 21:48
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] slash-slashJun 13 21:48
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] crossed outJun 13 21:48
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yep.Jun 13 21:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Slashdot - TechrightsJun 13 21:49
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it became a shill for bill about 12 years agoJun 13 21:49
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] they even removed their epic Gates in cyborg mode iconJun 13 21:49
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I noticed about the time it changed its graphical format to what it is now moreso.Jun 13 21:49
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] too "anti"Jun 13 21:49
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] we can't be anti criminals anymoreJun 13 21:49
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it's "not professional"Jun 13 21:49
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] it hit too close to homeJun 13 21:49
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Yeah. Or anti big money.Jun 13 21:50
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] billy was offendedJun 13 21:50
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Malda is just playing games now... up to no good with KathleenJun 13 21:50
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Did you guys see that story on vaccine stuff that Linus posted about?Jun 13 21:50
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] yeah, it distractsJun 13 21:50
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] the real scandal is LFJun 13 21:50
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] 13 21:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | TechrightsJun 13 21:50
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] almost same weekJun 13 21:50
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Yep.Jun 13 21:50
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i saw itJun 13 21:50
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] some idiots of Microsoft conflated the two 'stories'Jun 13 21:51
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] So if you follow the breadcrumbs in the early 00's gates was all about Diamond's "gun's germs and steel".Jun 13 21:51
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] which was about the rise and fall of civilizations where plagues and wars were concerned.Jun 13 21:51
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Mixing two totally different things (vaccination and tracking): 13 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Public Health prepares global COVID-19 passport as Linus Torvalds encourages vaccine uptakeJun 13 21:51
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Microsoft shill siteJun 13 21:51
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] with Microsoft MVPs and all..Jun 13 21:51
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] More if not all coverage in 13 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Kernel Becomes COVID-19 Battlezone | Tux MachinesJun 13 21:52
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] These tech folks are all about the vaccine.Jun 13 21:52
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] and also 13 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation and Kernel Latest | Tux MachinesJun 13 21:52
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] follow the money.Jun 13 21:52
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] makes it easy.Jun 13 21:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] "tech folks"Jun 13 21:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] corporationsJun 13 21:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] tech folks codeJun 13 21:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] we work from homeJun 13 21:53
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Well, right.Jun 13 21:53
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] home is different than corporate.Jun 13 21:53
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] /home is systemd soonJun 13 21:54
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] systemd-homedJun 13 21:54
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] not my /homeJun 13 21:54
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] So do you have say a torrent version of your site on wayback or some such?Jun 13 21:54
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] MinceR: oh, just you waitJun 13 21:54
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] we have wayback yetJun 13 21:54
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] *yesJun 13 21:54
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] but not for everythingJun 13 21:54
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I'm an arch guy.Jun 13 21:54
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] then you're definitely getting systemd-homed :>Jun 13 21:55
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I wonder if there is a way to combine something like a torrent website with some updated rss?Jun 13 21:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Internet Archive Search: subject:"Techrights"Jun 13 21:55
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Yeah, well, I may not be on arch later on down the road.Jun 13 21:56
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I'm thinking about switching to openbsd.Jun 13 21:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Turns out we got mentioned in 13 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This Week in Linux 41 | Ubuntu 18.10 & Flavours, Ubuntu Studio Interview, elementary, PeerTube 1.0 : TuxDigital : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet ArchiveJun 13 21:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] never heard that before...Jun 13 21:56
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i'm switching to openbsdJun 13 21:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] guest345r3534: you can host things on openbsdJun 13 21:56
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] nice.Jun 13 21:56
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] not sure about how many gemini servers are compiled for itJun 13 21:56
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Internet archive.Jun 13 21:57
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I'm not sure what their alliances are.Jun 13 21:57
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tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Half the time I think they are pro free information and the other half I'm not so sure.Jun 13 21:57
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] they areJun 13 21:58
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] but they are also under pressureJun 13 21:58
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] they're worth supportingJun 13 21:58
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] nice.Jun 13 21:58
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I do what I can although my own business got de-platformed awhile back.Jun 13 21:58
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tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] cost me my home as well.Jun 13 21:59
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] hard to fight when you are attempting to survive on the move.Jun 13 21:59
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] yupJun 13 21:59
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] well, live and learn(tm) they say..Jun 13 22:00
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] heh. I'm more of a live and survive and burn down the thing that caused the problem kind of guy.Jun 13 22:00
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] bbaib, need a cuppaJun 13 22:00
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Otherwise it simply repeats.Jun 13 22:00
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] so censorship and social media was caught up in a smear campaign composed of lies.Jun 13 22:01
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] which basically incited a mob mentality/riot against my business.Jun 13 22:01
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Most of them were extreme left politically oriented people.Jun 13 22:01
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] not the save the earth kind but the get rid of everyone who doesn't fit our idea of perfection kind.Jun 13 22:02
AdmFubarbrb....Jun 13 22:03
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] "we can't be anti criminals anymore"Jun 13 22:03
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] If you think someone should be in jail because they set your car on fire, that's racist. -mjgJun 13 22:04
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] errr - mjg59Jun 13 22:04
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I am sure if someone sets my car on fire they won't mind if I take the same liberty with theirs.Jun 13 22:04
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] right? ;)Jun 13 22:04
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] If you think someone should be punished for throwing bricks through the window and looting a local business that is owned by immigrants, that's also racist.Jun 13 22:05
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] no, that is a generalisationJun 13 22:05
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The looters are just getting their "reparations".Jun 13 22:05
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] and extrapolationJun 13 22:05
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] those looters are a minitorJun 13 22:05
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] minorityJun 13 22:05
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] heh. Yeah. Minority rage.Jun 13 22:05
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] among a certain minorityJun 13 22:06
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Minority Report.Jun 13 22:06
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] (Chicago Predictive Policing.....get it? Hahaha. I crack myself up.)Jun 13 22:06
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it's also wrong to insinuate every Arab is a terroristJun 13 22:06
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] You might commit a crime in the future 1984 style.Jun 13 22:06
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, ^Jun 13 22:06
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I take things on a case by case basis myself.Jun 13 22:06
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] but I never underestimate the power of dumb hurds.Jun 13 22:07
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] herds.Jun 13 22:07
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] GNU HURDJun 13 22:07
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] ya herd?Jun 13 22:07
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yeah, that slipped in there.Jun 13 22:07
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it can be a herd of hurdsJun 13 22:07
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] You might get shot! Our AI is making sure this is a likely future. Those assholes over here see the police talking to you a lot because of the software. The number of alternative futures in the multiverse go down.Jun 13 22:07
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Which is no hurd at all.Jun 13 22:07
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] WHOA. Mind blown.Jun 13 22:07
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tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] :>Jun 13 22:08
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I think perhaps the internet being created in light of nuclear war tips the communication scale unfavorably.Jun 13 22:08
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The software could be useful.Jun 13 22:08
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] there is no more softwareJun 13 22:08
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Anyone the police want shot, they can just say the software told them to talk to that person a lot until the gangs think they're a snitch and take care of it for them.Jun 13 22:08
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] we now have "Smart" and "apps"Jun 13 22:09
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] They do "hey hi"Jun 13 22:09
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Augmented reality is another fun thing.Jun 13 22:09
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] chrome with remote updatesJun 13 22:09
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] the algorithm made me do it.Jun 13 22:09
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] what it does today it won't do tomorrowJun 13 22:09
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I was reading a blog by a former cop about this guy in Kentucky who has been arrested thousands of times and gets days in jail each time.Jun 13 22:09
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] (or vice versa)Jun 13 22:09
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] He was wondering how much these bums cost society.Jun 13 22:10
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Kentucky is where my ordeal happened.Jun 13 22:10
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Well, what if.....Jun 13 22:10
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] it is especially corrupt police-wise.Jun 13 22:10
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Instead of paying for them, you just have the cops show up and talk to them for a moment and then leave now and then.Jun 13 22:10
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Let the criminals shoot them and then no more disorderly conducts from that guy.Jun 13 22:10
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] If it is in KY, he's probably part of the force.Jun 13 22:10
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] He was talking about how police in California used to do it.Jun 13 22:11
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] ROund up the bums and stick them on a freight train that was leaving the state.Jun 13 22:11
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Yeah, there is a pretty strong CA to KY linkage.Jun 13 22:11
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] They usually go thousands of miles between stopsJun 13 22:11
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] As soon as the bums get off the train they'll never be able to make it back to California.Jun 13 22:11
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] btw, if you don't mind me interjectingJun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Problem solved.Jun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it's not a wing issueJun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] censorship is a class issueJun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] and people on both so-called 'sides' get gaggedJun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I agree.Jun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] you have your little funJun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] until you piss of the wrong peopleJun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] with power, money, connectionJun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I would say it is more a deep state issue.Jun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] mjg59 is high on his own supply, like most people who live in California.Jun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] then there are many ways they can bankrupt and/or silence youJun 13 22:12
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yep. That's what I went through.Jun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] In 1999, the state went to court over a law that made it illegal to bring a bum into the state.Jun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] but there are ways to use tech that's more robust to tiJun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I agree with that as well. I think the DNS is a weak point.Jun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: "no state" and "anarchy state" are the same thingJun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] they used to talk about flat models once in awhile.Jun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] ipfs bypasses dnsJun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] and anarchy has turned out to be worse than most other systems, even some dictatorshipsJun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] gemini does notJun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yep, it does.Jun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] which is why I think gemini has a problem there.Jun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] we have IPNS in IPFSJun 13 22:13
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I about died laughing when South Park portrayed homeless people as zombies bumming for change.Jun 13 22:14
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: when and where was it implemented, and how did it fail?Jun 13 22:14
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] anarchy has no end.Jun 13 22:14
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] due to cert/tls reqs gemini also makes it hard to run without dnsJun 13 22:14
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Cartman lures them all into California with a bus playing "Californa! Super cool to the homeless! California! Super cool to the homeless!".Jun 13 22:14
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] right, which is troubling--Jun 13 22:14
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] schestowitz: i heard gemini is using TOFU instead of PKIJun 13 22:14
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: how do you like somalia, syria, etc?Jun 13 22:15
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] want to live there?Jun 13 22:15
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] since DNS is the big achille's heal.Jun 13 22:15
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: afaik that's not what happened in either of those placesJun 13 22:15
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] immibis: they have a stateJun 13 22:15
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] too much of itJun 13 22:15
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Assad was like monarchyJun 13 22:15
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] since his dadJun 13 22:15
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: afaik both of those places were (are?) ruled by religious zealotsJun 13 22:15
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Cloudflare snagged some pretty sweet DOD contracts.Jun 13 22:15
kingoffrance"i am the state" " i am the revolution"" we are the state"   anarchy and states are relativeJun 13 22:15
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] so the analogy is deeply flawedJun 13 22:15
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The more shit mjg59 has to step in on his way from his $5,000 a month studio to his $20 coffees, the better.Jun 13 22:16
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] well that's what happens when you have anarchy. nature abhors a vacuum. someone will fill that role.Jun 13 22:16
kingoffrancehave to say : what type of "state" you mean firstJun 13 22:16
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] They voted for this. They ought to suffer with it.Jun 13 22:16
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] like claiming county X failed because of "regime type" rather than US/NATO sanctionsJun 13 22:16
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] and it's most likely someone you'd rather wouldn't fill that roleJun 13 22:16
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I think Regular Show dealt with anarchy well.Jun 13 22:16
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: that's what happens in autocracy and democracyJun 13 22:16
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] eventually if there are no rules, then is there a rule against having...rules?Jun 13 22:16
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] in anarchy what stops me from declaring that I am the king and convincing all the people that I am the king?Jun 13 22:16
kingoffrancenothing, thats why corporations love anarchyJun 13 22:16
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] immibis: no syria was there when the french/british divided the landJun 13 22:16
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] you might say people won't allow themselves to be convinced of that. but where do you suppose the first kings came from? clearly it's happened in the pastJun 13 22:16
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] after Ottoman empire i thinkJun 13 22:17
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] immibis, The fact that if they start believing you, the ATF will firebomb your compound including the women and children.Jun 13 22:17
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: the idea is to dispel the idea that people have the right to rule over other peopleJun 13 22:17
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Well, I think people all have different talents.Jun 13 22:17
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: at some point in the past, they didn't, and then at some point after that, they did. Clearly it is possible to get from A to B, and some bad actor will make it happenJun 13 22:17
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] not everyone is going to be equally good at doing the things that need doing.Jun 13 22:17
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: MOVE?Jun 13 22:17
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] ?Jun 13 22:17
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] you mentioned "firebomb your compound including the women and children."Jun 13 22:18
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] many never forgotJun 13 22:18
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] when the police becomes just an armyJun 13 22:18
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] If you don't want to die, just don't speak against the Clintons.Jun 13 22:18
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: then clearly some bad actors need to be stopped from making it happen with violenceJun 13 22:18
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] and the uniform/badge falls offJun 13 22:18
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] That was the whole point of the government murdering all of those people. Shock and motherfucking awe.Jun 13 22:18
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: for example, a group of people may decide to group together for better coordination and will elect one person to lead the groupJun 13 22:18
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] 13 22:18
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tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: and eventually they might decide to disobey that one personJun 13 22:18
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, That SG-1 episode with the Goa'uld Seth was obviously based on the Branch Davidians.Jun 13 22:19
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: it doesn't have to be involuntaryJun 13 22:19
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: indeed, but if the person is a good leader, they will notJun 13 22:19
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] good for themJun 13 22:19
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: and then the group ends up being more efficient and has better guns so they invade their neighboursJun 13 22:19
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i haven't seen nor heard about good leaders in a long timeJun 13 22:19
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Mince, again, don't piss off the Clintons.Jun 13 22:19
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] (and there is nobody to stop them besides the neighbours because it's anarchy)Jun 13 22:19
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] guest345r3534: is immibis a clinton?Jun 13 22:19
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] klingonJun 13 22:19
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] mincer, you never know!Jun 13 22:19
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] guest345r3534: is MinceR a natural order denialist?Jun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] that's the thing about the clintons.Jun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: people can still have moralsJun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: only takes one withoutJun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] not reallyJun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] or a fewJun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The government killed one of the Bundys for occupying a ranger station at a wildlife reserve.Jun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] people can gang up to protect the rights of othersJun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: is oppression the "natural order"?Jun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] and people can also gang up to violate the rights of othersJun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I think Kant pretty much covered that and before him the whole Do unto others.Jun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] the natural order is might makes right. The only way we've managed to build a civilization is by grouping the majority of people on the "moral" side of that equation so that side has more mightJun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] and people can stop pretending that violating the rights of others is justifiedJun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The whole protest involved them refusing to pay a fee for having their cattle eating grass out in the middle of nowhere that nobody cared about except the Bureau of Land Management.Jun 13 22:20
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: we have failed to build a civilizationJun 13 22:21
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] BLMJun 13 22:21
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] before it was another BLMJun 13 22:21
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I think we built a is just falling apart.Jun 13 22:21
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] and then the gov. used MOAR forceJun 13 22:21
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Rome did it before us.Jun 13 22:21
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] if you abolish civilization, you will have roughly equal amounts of might on all sides; whoever randomly ends up with an advantage will snowball itJun 13 22:21
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] and so on.Jun 13 22:21
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: when the idea is that "we need to pick someone to oppress us so that other people don't get to oppress us", that's not civilizationJun 13 22:21
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] immibis, but that's pretty much history.Jun 13 22:21
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] present, tooJun 13 22:22
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] yep.Jun 13 22:22
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] guest345r3534: let me guess, the decline of rome was somehow caused by homosexuality?Jun 13 22:22
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] immibis, I doubt that helped.Jun 13 22:22
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Libertarians are generally portrayed as crazy right wing extremists for wanting to bring an end to the hell of the two party system and the Welfare-Warfare State's perversions and horrible effect on the living standard of the public.Jun 13 22:22
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] well that's unusual. usually people try to link it to homosexualityJun 13 22:22
kingoffrancefor america there was no separate "state" entity, in theory.  "by of for the people"   as soon as ppl start talking about some other "state" the animals have left the farm and the door is wide openJun 13 22:22
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I think that was a contributing factor.Jun 13 22:22
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] DaemonFC: no, libertarians are crazy extremists because they're crazy extremists. The total lack of a state is just as bad as an overbearing stateJun 13 22:22
kingoffrancethe "non-people" "state" was a different kind of state that america supposedly rejectedJun 13 22:22
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Maybe folks wouldn't need welfare as much if the state wasn't running off with 40% of their money.Jun 13 22:23
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] kingoffrance: a "state" is just an abstraction "we the people" made up to organize collective activityJun 13 22:23
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I think the state has to first enforce the rights it declares itself responsible for enforcing.Jun 13 22:23
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] If you're extremely lucky, you only work for free from January to May to feed into this crap.Jun 13 22:23
kingoffranceimmibis/tr:  sure, but anarchy is just a different set of "we the people"Jun 13 22:23
kingoffrancea non-state is a non-sequitor if state is just "the people"Jun 13 22:24
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: not all states do even pretend that they're democraticJun 13 22:24
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Then the state passes welfare programs you don't even qualify for, usually to compel people to pop out units who live in extreme poverty and violence despite the welfare, and keep the cycle going.Jun 13 22:24
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] government is just a better arms cliqueJun 13 22:24
kingoffrancei think you hinted at that with differerent factions etc.Jun 13 22:24
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] with tribes or groups like partiesJun 13 22:24
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] DaemonFC: i think most people can agree that tax money shouldn't be spent on a lot of the stuff the US government is currently spending it on. They just don't think that means it's okay to abolish all taxes foreverJun 13 22:24
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Well, most of the conversation and resulting violence happens once free speech is dead in the water.Jun 13 22:24
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] "stop spending taxes on stupid crap" is a sensible position. "abolish all taxes forever" is an extremist positionJun 13 22:24
kingoffrancemaybe, like religion, there are organized and unorganized statesJun 13 22:24
kingoffrance:)Jun 13 22:24
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] pretty soon, people start figuring out ways to start messing up other people.Jun 13 22:24
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Libertarians have generally settled on something like a 10% flat tax.Jun 13 22:24
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] taxes on a man-made conceptJun 13 22:24
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] for barteringJun 13 22:24
kingoffrancei would even say states are "exactly like religion"Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] guest345r3534: you mean like by spreading disinformation on social media?Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] everything i don't agree with is extremismJun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] US taxes were made in response to the civil war.Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The state of Illinois already takes 10% of the money you spend as sales tax.Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] let's see if that changed anythingJun 13 22:25
kingoffrancelol MinceRJun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] nope!Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] imminibis, yep.Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] After the state income tax, and the state's transit taxes.Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] And that's after the 4 federal income taxes.Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Maybe the estate tax too, but unlikely for most.Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] money don't mean a thang [sic]Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] DaemonFC: how do they know 10% is the optimal level, and how do they know a flat tax is the optimal kind of tax?Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] when it's man -madeJun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] And that's after the federal excise and tariffs.Jun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] and there's concept like inflationJun 13 22:25
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I think if the people making the laws for taxes are subject to taxes and have to pay them, they become more reasonable.Jun 13 22:26
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] A corollary to that is if someone points a gun at you and you point one back, your negotiation position is strengthened.Jun 13 22:26
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] For about half of the history of the US, there was no income tax, or there was one but you had to be incredibly wealthy in order to be compelled to pay it.Jun 13 22:26
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] money is a representation of *negative* work. You receive money by receiving negative work i.e. by giving work away. you can also consider taxes on the work that is being performed: XX% of whatever you do goes to keeping society running and the rest is yours to do whatever withJun 13 22:26
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Now they hit everyone with it, even people who push carts at Walmart.Jun 13 22:26
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] actually, when you put it that way, 10% seems like a quite cheap price to keep society runningJun 13 22:27
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Americans on the GOP or libertarian side like to complain about taxes, except for the rich, and not about things like medical billsJun 13 22:27
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] this society isn't worth keeping runningJun 13 22:27
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The people who need the money the most are hit up for it to keep this mess going.Jun 13 22:27
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] 10 percent keeps churches running.Jun 13 22:27
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] we have a society that puts the worst people into positions of power over the rest of usJun 13 22:27
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] in reality it won't be 10% because you also need to pay your landlord for example. that is essentially a taxJun 13 22:27
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i'd rather not spend anything on that scamJun 13 22:27
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] immibis, yes, that's true.Jun 13 22:27
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] and you need to buy food, to keep society runningJun 13 22:27
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] you need to produce itJun 13 22:27
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] with water, sun, workJun 13 22:28
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The government is pretty much just an engine for loss.Jun 13 22:28
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] society will collapse if people don't buy food or pay their landlords, just because they aren't included in the tax doesn't mean they're not the same class of activityJun 13 22:28
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] And it's a real gas guzzler at that.Jun 13 22:28
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Just play the Oregon Trail (tm)Jun 13 22:28
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] how you distribute it might not require buying and sellingJun 13 22:28
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] you can have the state provided the basicsJun 13 22:28
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] nobody is arguing food doesn't need to be producedJun 13 22:28
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] not even the scary socialist boogeymenJun 13 22:28
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] DaemonFC: the current governmentJun 13 22:28
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Or everyone could have their own hydroponic space gardens.Jun 13 22:28
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] 70's sci fi was fond of that solution.Jun 13 22:29
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] DaemonFC: some people look at that government and they go "wow, all government is bad, let's have no government ever again". Other people look at that government and they go "wow, this government is bad, let's replace it with one that's not"Jun 13 22:29
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] their ownJun 13 22:29
isamiamsamsociety won't collapse if landlords are cut out, this has been done before in historyJun 13 22:29
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] or own vision of itJun 13 22:29
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Illinois doesn't even do the bare minimum a government should do.Jun 13 22:29
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] it doesn't always work out at the endJun 13 22:29
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] how many governments do you need to see in order to notice the pattern?Jun 13 22:29
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] People perish for lack of vision they say.Jun 13 22:29
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: the remainder of the developed world is not as bad as americaJun 13 22:29
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] it is still horribleJun 13 22:30
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Execute the perverts and murderers. 1. We have no death sentence, and 2. They're usually out on parole in 10 or 20 years and at it again.Jun 13 22:30
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] is it?Jun 13 22:30
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] indeedJun 13 22:30
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] the UK is a fucking shitshow, for exampleJun 13 22:30
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] it's so strange how libertarians tend to say that suffering is the natural order of nature - that "get your own food or starve" is natural - but they also tend to blame the government for the fact that they sufferJun 13 22:30
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] and afaict most of the "developed world" is ruled for part of the time at least by "conservatives" who are in formal alliance with parties that turned hungary and poland into dictatorshipsJun 13 22:30
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] I'm fine with the death sentence. I wasn't planning on raping and murdering anyone, so it wouldn't apply to me if they brought it back.Jun 13 22:30
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] DaemonFC: you could be falsely accusedJun 13 22:31
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] yeah, being able to trace some suffering to the government must be strangeJun 13 22:31
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Not my fault that there's a certain demographic that's a little more rapey and murder-prone than the rest.Jun 13 22:31
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I'm not convinced liberals or conservatives have done all that well.Jun 13 22:31
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] I simply look at the results.Jun 13 22:31
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i wouldn't trust the state with the death sentenceJun 13 22:31
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] !flip "DaemonFC is talking about" ["jews", "black people"]Jun 13 22:31
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] they can't get anything rightJun 13 22:31
kingoffranceguest345r3534/tr:  well, person without vision will inevitably get someone else's visionJun 13 22:31
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] And by a little bit, I mean 60% of the total crime on 14% of the population. Woohoo.Jun 13 22:32
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tr-bridge[immibis/tr] ah it was black peopleJun 13 22:32
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tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] kingoffrance which could be implanted.Jun 13 22:32
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] DaemonFC: i bet you also think you are not racistJun 13 22:32
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Facts lead to where the facts lead.Jun 13 22:32
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] DaemonFC: also, what if it did turn out to be someone's fault other than those peopleJun 13 22:32
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Chicago has more cameras and facial recognition than cities in the UK or even China.Jun 13 22:33
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] this is the part where you pull out "everyone is responsible for their own decisions"Jun 13 22:33
kingoffrances/could be/will be/  :)Jun 13 22:33
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] All right, I feel like we solved the world's problems.Jun 13 22:33
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] s/decisions/actions/Jun 13 22:33
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] so I am going to get test out gemini against my ISPJun 13 22:33
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] and see if it shits on it.Jun 13 22:33
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] goJun 13 22:33
tr-bridge[guest345r3534/tr] Later!Jun 13 22:34
techrights-bot"Recently, Linus Torvalds had to confront a conspiracy theorist on the Linux kernel mailing list. It seems the rise in popularity of conspiracy theories coincides with the decline of critical thinking. No longer is critical thinking taught in school." 13 22:34
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, So, Stargate Atlantis. The Genii plan wasn't perfect but they probably would have destroyed at least as many Wraith with the nuclear weapons and surprise as the Atlantis expedition had they not shown up.Jun 13 22:35
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i haven't seen much of SGA yetJun 13 22:35
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Perhaps more. They had 100-200 years before the Wraith woke up. Plenty of time to sneak on dozens of hives and plant a nuke.Jun 13 22:35
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techrights-bot" out where there might be some problems is to simply track what you're doing to go back and analysis the data, one #freesw tool that stores all your data locally called ActivityWatch let's you do this." #ActivityWatchJun 13 22:35
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Shephard says the plan wouldn't have worked because some of the ships are in space, not hibernating on a planet, but all the Genii would need to do is figure out how to capture some wraith darts and use the culling beams to pick up and then plant a nuclear bomb. That might be a problem because the bomb is inorganic, but so are the clothes, guns, and devices that the culling beam  <clipped message>Jun 13 22:37
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] picks up when a human is transported. So would having a humanJun 13 22:37
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] holding the bomb get the culling beam to transport the bomb?Jun 13 22:38
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] :)Jun 13 22:38
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Darts don't require a wraith pilot, unlike their hive ships.Jun 13 22:39
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] That seems odd.Jun 13 22:39
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] just cover the bomb in organic tissue, like in terminatorJun 13 22:39
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Yeah, the darts have a DHD in them and can travel through stargates in space.Jun 13 22:40
techrights-bot"Toy Story 2, the film where Jessie joins the adventures of Woody, Buzz Lightyeart and the rest of the toys, has an impressive story that few know. When the movie had been in production for over ten months and was almost ready, a simple Linux / Unix command to delete a file erased the entire tape without having a backup. It almost ended in catastrophe!" 13 22:40
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR seems like one of those people who lacks critical thinking skills. Only someone without those skills would think anarchy was a good idea.Jun 13 22:40
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] You wouldn't even need to figure out how to land because the hive ship takes over the dart's computer and flies it into the ship for you.Jun 13 22:40
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i see immibis has run out of argumentsJun 13 22:40
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] You might not be able to get out, but the Genii have lots of terminally ill people because of shitty medicine and radiation exposure.Jun 13 22:40
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] And many of them would volunteer to suicide bomb a wraith hive ship.Jun 13 22:41
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: there is no argument that can counter the kind of stupidity that leads one to believe anarchy is a good idea. If you want to feel ranted at, read Linus's response to the antivaxxer.Jun 13 22:41
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] or as it's commonly put, "you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into"Jun 13 22:41
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: and yet you're still talkingJun 13 22:41
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tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: also, apparently you've failed to understand Linus' responseJun 13 22:41
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i didn't think it was so difficult to understand that it would trip up a random statist, but here we are.Jun 13 22:42
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] There's a lot of plot holes here because the alternative wouldn't make a very good story. Since the multiverse is valid in Stargate canon, that means in some universes, they met the Genii first and offered to help them nuke the wraith.Jun 13 22:43
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] They could use puddle jumpers to plant some of the bombs and then use the Stargate dialing macro developed by Ba'al to send out the detonation signal.Jun 13 22:43
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] No wraith, end of story.Jun 13 22:43
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] :>Jun 13 22:43
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tr-bridge[immibis/tr] if anyone was looking at #freenode today they could also see quite a lot of lacking critical thinkingJun 13 22:44
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tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] oh no, lots of people disagreeing with immibisJun 13 22:44
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, Also, they just give up after Atlantis fake self-destructs and go into hyperspace.Jun 13 22:44
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: see, you call anyone who thinks anarchy is bad a "statist", meant as an insult. This is the kind of thought-terminating cliche that is commonly used by people with no rational position who nonetheless need to defend itJun 13 22:45
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] They knew the Ancients had cloaking technology. They have 12 hive ships in orbit, each one of which is capable of bombarding an entire planet.Jun 13 22:45
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Why not fire some volleys at where the city was to make sure it wasn't a bluff?Jun 13 22:45
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] let me repeat that: *anyone who thinks anarchy is bad*Jun 13 22:45
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: strange, i didn't expect a statist to consider statist an insultJun 13 22:45
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] *most people* think anarchy is badJun 13 22:45
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: your first ad hominem against me is in the dictionary under "thought-terminating cliche"Jun 13 22:45
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] but nice tryJun 13 22:45
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tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] as for the most people "argument", just observe what most people have doneJun 13 22:46
techrights-botJapan to probe #Apple and #Google in #antitrust discussions not #microsoft also? Why not?Jun 13 22:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Japan to probe Apple and Google in antitrust discussions - General Discussion Discussions on AppleInsider ForumsJun 13 22:46
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] is this what a functioning civilization looks like?Jun 13 22:46
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] but by using this terminology, you get to depersonify most people in your own mind, so that you can feel anarchists (who agree with you) are the only real people, and the rest are just idiots blindly following or something. It's the same effect as "sheeple"Jun 13 22:46
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tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i'm sorry, are you now imagining ways in which i might have offended you?Jun 13 22:47
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] you think "statist" is better than "sheeple" because "statist" is actually descriptive of something, but you use it with the exact same intent that a pro-deather uses "sheeple"Jun 13 22:47
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] withJun 13 22:47
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i'm not your psychiatristJun 13 22:47
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] please consult a professional with your fantasiesJun 13 22:47
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] now if only we could figure out why there are so many people like you. Maybe we could actually educate all of those people and have a functioning civilization for onceJun 13 22:48
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The Ancients programmed the control crystals of all the other gates in Pegasus to not be able to dial the Milky Way, but left Atlantis behind intact, and the Wraith never bothered to see if it was still there.Jun 13 22:48
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: the last guy who "argued" like you got banned for trollingJun 13 22:48
techrights-botDon't let #corruptMedia swap the "bill sez" puff pieces (whitewashing crooks, for money... they're PAID to do this) with "Elon says" pieces... they try to promote the myth that robber barons are rich because of their endless wisdom and we must copy them...Jun 13 22:48
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: maybe you could put people who disagree with you in campsJun 13 22:49
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] The Asuran Replicators knew everything about Ancient technology and could produce unlimited ZPMs. A rigged ZPM set to explode could destroy an entire solar system. Instead of figuring out how to dial Earth and throw a ZPM bomb through the gate, the Asurans built Aurora class ships to launch an attack with.Jun 13 22:50
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] maybe they weren't creative enoughJun 13 22:51
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] They built the Stargate Satellite Weapon.Jun 13 22:51
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] afaict the Asurans' existence revolved around imitating and outdoing the AncientsJun 13 22:51
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tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: I see that everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi nowJun 13 22:51
techrights-botSimilar to the #greenwashing of #microsoft by so-called #linuxfoundation compare to 13 22:51
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] ZPM Bomb seems more likely. The Earth Iris wouldn't be a problem. The Milky Way Replicators had previously defeated it and walked right through.Jun 13 22:51
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] almost as if there is no critical thinking happening before you speak. You have a very short loop: disagree => NaziJun 13 22:52
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: maybe if you didn't make such gigantic leaps of faith, your messages wouldn't be so boringJun 13 22:52
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] i see MinceR has run out of argumentsJun 13 22:52
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] DaemonFC: the Milky Way replicators might know something the Asuran replicators don't, thoughJun 13 22:53
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] McKay had access to the Asuran computers numerous times and never thought to download specifications for a ZPM.Jun 13 22:53
techrights-botLinking in #geminiProtocol discussed a lot today 13 22:53
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] It never occurred to the Liam Faction of Asurans that if they wanted to ascend, they should make evolved human (Prior-like) bodies for themselves and transfer their minds into those?Jun 13 22:56
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏJun 13 22:56
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] haven't seen that part yetJun 13 22:56
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] or forgotJun 13 22:56
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techrights-botPaul Thurrott: with #microsoft on 'life support' (bailouts from the government), #vista10 needs to be set aside for mythical vapourware to give way.... while current #windows cannot be maintained and updates keep breaking everything 13 22:58
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] They make Windows look different each time to give the illusion of progress underneath.Jun 13 22:59
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: you should go have a discussion with Librarian in his exile over on Libera, he agrees with you on a lot, but I bet you'd never connect to Libera because it's run by statistsJun 13 22:59
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] he is banned from this channel for a reasonJun 13 22:59
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: maybe you should bother other people, elsewhereJun 13 23:00
techrights-botI like this comment: "Windows 11 will be to Windows 10 what 7 was to Vista. Tinker with the UI and rebadge it to remove the stigma." See this about #vista7 : โ€œWell the initial impression is how much it [Windows 7] looks like Vista. Which I think isโ€ฆuhโ€ฆthe thing Iโ€™m not supposed to say.โ€ โ€“Microsoft Jack 13 23:00
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tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: maybe you should bother other people, elsewhereJun 13 23:00
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] is there an echo in here?Jun 13 23:00
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] ask amazonJun 13 23:01
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] alexa, are you here?Jun 13 23:01
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] Alexa, order two tons of creamed corn.Jun 13 23:01
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] Alexa, confirm purchase.Jun 13 23:01
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] 'progress' in tehc [sic]Jun 13 23:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] IBM Stinks | TechrightsJun 13 23:03
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] okay google, wake me up 4am every weekdayJun 13 23:04
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] and 2 AM every weekendJun 13 23:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] 100% of the Time Working for the 1% | TechrightsJun 13 23:04
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] 13 23:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBMโ€™s Prison of Glass and Metal Cages | TechrightsJun 13 23:04
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Okay Subaru, shut mjg59's car off and disable the brakes while he's on a hill.Jun 13 23:04
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] "SMart"Jun 13 23:05
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] smatr [sic] 13 23:05
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tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Okay Tesla, aim for the parked police cruiser and set engine to ramming speed!Jun 13 23:05
AdmFubarI'd rather have a Fรขrnhรคan...:PJun 13 23:06
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tr-bridge[immibis/tr] okay tesla, unlock debug mode, initiate battery fire test sequenceJun 13 23:06
tr-bridge[immibis/tr] (okay tesla, check build version, check build version, check build version, .....)Jun 13 23:06
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] is there an "OK Tesla" or similar?Jun 13 23:07
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Knight Rider?Jun 13 23:07
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Fuck if I know.Jun 13 23:07
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] OK ElonJun 13 23:07
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] all about Big EgonJun 13 23:07
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Tesla said they'd accept Bitcoin and then said they wouldn't.Jun 13 23:07
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] "yes, master"Jun 13 23:07
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] media is all thatJun 13 23:07
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Then El Salvador made it legal tender.Jun 13 23:07
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] elon said [xxxx] bitcoin p[yyy]Jun 13 23:08
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] pumping the exchange rate?Jun 13 23:08
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] Medais [sic]Jun 13 23:08
tr-bridge[DaemonFC/tr] Pretty much.Jun 13 23:08
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] BitcionzJun 13 23:08
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] makes sense, the SEC didn't seem to have a problem with the likes of robinhood manipulating the stock market eitherJun 13 23:09
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] big tehc censored themJun 13 23:10
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] SEC worries about precedent perhapsJun 13 23:10
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tr-bridge[immibis/tr] MinceR: you're a libertarian, you're supposed to be anti-SECJun 13 23:10
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tr-bridge[immibis/tr] which means the more stuff they don't regulate, the betterJun 13 23:11
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] immibis: FYI, i disapproved of the SEC's conduct t