IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, August 24, 2022

Helenah

I'm confused...

DaemonFC

When I go outside, I may not be dressed in the nicest clothes, but I'm not letting my sex organs hang out.

DaemonFC

I think societal decay is responsible for a lot of this "rape culture" problem that mjg59_ is so worked up about.

Helenah

Wait... slow down a min...

Helenah

rape culture problem?

DaemonFC

Not all, maybe not most, but some.

schestowitz[TR]

DaemonFC: in the 70s many women went around topless

schestowitz[TR]

that does not happen anymore

schestowitz[TR]

so what you describe is hardly new

schestowitz[TR]

you can still find photo albums of people in the 1970s

Helenah

Why would your sex organs hang out of your clothes anyway?

schestowitz[TR]

topless

DaemonFC

The mass media also fuels this problem.

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MinceR

DaemonFC

They give men and women these impossible standards and then nobody wants to have sex with real people anymore.

Helenah

I'm struggling with tis... lol

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DaemonFC

Real people might have bad teeth, some hair issues, might be a little overweight.

Helenah

Maybe American culture is VERY different...

DaemonFC

The amusing thing about Game of Thrones is that there's a lot of nudity, right?

DaemonFC

And it's not like what you normally see in porn or something.

DaemonFC

These are what people look like nude.

Helenah

DaemonFC: This is my "Whatever I want for myself" look https://i.imgur.com/W0lOPlA.jpg

Helenah

An individualist who er...

techuser

maybe at least less overpopulation risk

Helenah

Would rather not sheep others.

DaemonFC

I'm just disgusted by our culture.

Helenah

Personally I wouldn't go nude.

Helenah

techuser knows why.

DaemonFC

It takes dumpy people and tells them that other dumpy people aren't good enough for them.

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techuser

iirc you told here something, and this channel is publicly logged

DaemonFC

The mass media pushes down a sort of collective mental illness.

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], ^

Helenah

hmm

techuser

sex is too much price to pay

DaemonFC

Nobody is worried about stopping them.

DaemonFC

People have been told that getting old and dying without kids means they're a failure.

DaemonFC

Getting old and dying with kids (workers) to replace them.... GREAT SUCCESS!

techuser

I don't understand what is a success and what is failure

techuser

I don't expect I will be accepted by society

DaemonFC

There is no society, really.

techuser

seems to be so

DaemonFC

There's just individuals.

Helenah

23:06 <DaemonFC> People have been told that getting old and dying without kids means they're a failure.

DaemonFC

What gets portrayed as "society" is synthetic.

Helenah

Not me...

Helenah

I never had that said to me...

DaemonFC

It's like a McDonalds hamburger they want everyone to choke down.

Helenah

I don't have kids, I'm infertile.

DaemonFC

The media sets expectations low. They make every single thing the same.

DaemonFC

It's a McDonalds burger.

Helenah

My mother wants grand children but she understands it's her issue and not mine so she doesn't get on my case about it, she accepts the situation.

DaemonFC

Nothing in nature is that perfect.

DaemonFC

If something is as repeatable as a McDonalds hamburger, it's fake.

techuser

it is evil to "want children"

Helenah

Well you are concerned about over population.

techuser

because it means children are equal to property

DaemonFC

When parents figure out they aren't getting grandchildren, you're cut off.

DaemonFC

You're on your own.

DaemonFC

Failed investment.

techuser

I'm concerned about toxic parent-child relationships (both ways)

Helenah

DaemonFC: My mother never cut me off.

Helenah

My sister doesn't want children.

Helenah

And she said if she was to have a child, she doesn't want to get pregnant.

Helenah

She wants to adopt

schestowitz[TR]

midnight here, wif'e birthday started

Helenah

but she's a lesbian

schestowitz[TR]

need to draw something

techuser

parents hate their children for wasting their children, teenagers hate their parents, children of old parents wants them to die for inheritance and no waste of money

Helenah

I only got a single sibling so my mother can't get grand children from anyone.

Helenah

She hasn't cut us off.

Helenah

She supports us both all the same.

techuser

*wasting their time

Helenah

I just think American culture is truly fucked up

techuser

and money

Helenah

and that's without sounding like UK culture is perfect because it's not, it also has shit in it too.

Helenah

Don't get me wrong, I like people regardless of if they're American or not...

Aug 24 00:11

Helenah

People as individuals are good or bad

Aug 24 00:11

Helenah

But if DaemonFC is telling the truth...

Aug 24 00:11

Helenah

Then a lot of bad has been said about American culture by them already.

techuser

if there is shit like this (wanting grandchildren), I would also want my parents to disappear sooner

Helenah

techuser: She doesn't beg, get on my case or throw it in my face...

techuser

I have no faith things will get better without major sacrifices

DaemonFC

<techuser> parents hate their children for wasting their children, teenagers hate their parents, children of old parents wants them to die for inheritance and no waste of money

Helenah

She has only ever a few times, not many expressed that she'd like grand children.

Helenah

I don't see an issue with a mere expression like that, a neutral one.

DaemonFC

The only thing mom's mom did is squander all of her money and wreck the house and then go to the retirement home.

Helenah

One that isn't intended to get to me

Helenah

I'd rather know my mother than not know her...

DaemonFC

She wrecked the Cadillac too.

DaemonFC

She didn't leave them a damned thing and they still take care of her.

DaemonFC

She's so mean that the only reason she ever sees anyone in the family is because both my cousins work at the nursing home she lives in.

Helenah

hmm

Helenah

Damn

Helenah

I'm sorry to hear that! :(

Helenah

Yeah not all family relationships are good

techuser

I think living together with someone all day is not good for mental health

Aug 24 00:15

techuser

all day, for life

Aug 24 00:15

Helenah

techuser: I'd rather talk to you here, people speak sensical, it's hard to talk with people who are soo set on opinions that make no sense...

Aug 24 00:15

Helenah

Cause I don't want to trample on people...

Helenah

and I don't like arguments really :D

Helenah

But yeah, DaemonFC speaks a lot of sense!

Helenah

He knows stuff.

Helenah

I like the guy.

Helenah

techuser: How much of your opinions and views of the world are via misguidance due to the peers you hang around with?

techuser

I think my life is wasted, and I will never be happy anymore.

Helenah

You see, Anonymous says similar...

techuser

I'm not happy with things with tech, but I don't know how to live without it

Helenah

And you're in a small channel with him...

techuser

no idea

Helenah

And Anonymous also mentioned not being happy with tech...

Helenah

It's like... you rub off on each other...

DaemonFC

Last time mom tried to go have dinner with her this happened. Before mom even put the car in reverse, my grandmother said "Do you know why you can't keep a man? It's because you're so mean!" and then mom took her to her favorite restaurant. Then by the time they were on the freeway on the way back, Grandma started another argument, sunk her fingernails into mom's hand on the steering wheel and drew blood, and tried to run them underneath a semi

DaemonFC

trailer.

Helenah

I could be wrong though!

Helenah

It's mere observation...

Helenah

I wanted to point it out because pointing it how keeps you informed.

DaemonFC

Then mom had to grab grandma's arm to get her off so she could get the car under control again, and old people bruise really easily.

Helenah

I want you to be an individual, techuser

DaemonFC

So grandma found the social worker and said mom had beaten her.

DaemonFC

The social worker opened an investigation, and closed it again after she interviewed 9 family members who said "Grandma does things like this all the time and it's why none of us go anywhere near her.".

Aug 24 00:19

Helenah

Yeah that's sounds bad...

Aug 24 00:19

Helenah

DaFuQ

Aug 24 00:19

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Helenah

Witnesses are your friend :)

DaemonFC

They talked to me and after I named the 5-6 worst things Grandma ever did to me, including starting a food fight involving a McDonalds Coke and cheeseburger.......

DaemonFC

They said thank you for talking to us.

techuser

my grandfather is an annoyance for other family members, but for some reason they don't put him into a mental hospital

techuser

idk why not

Helenah

techuser: I've known families who...

Helenah

no matter what would rather care for the member themselves

DaemonFC

I said, "This is subjective, but I don't even know how she stayed married for over 50 years. I asked my grandfather when he was alive and he told me 'At least I'll go to Heaven someday.'.".

Aug 24 00:21

Helenah

A care home that doesn't abuse its patients and takes good care of them is a better environment for an elderly person than a family home or their own home is.

Aug 24 00:21

DaemonFC

It's better at a certain point not to even argue with someone about religion.

Aug 24 00:21

Helenah

Yeah

DaemonFC

If they're so thoroughly convinced that a wasted life that someone else made them suffer through is okay because they're going somewhere, let them.

Helenah

Do not argue with a religious person about their beliefs :D

Helenah

or your own!

Helenah

It always results in chaos. :/

Helenah

lol

DaemonFC

Well, you don't resolve anything.

Helenah

Agreed

Helenah

you just end up with a verbal fight LOL

DaemonFC

You'll still believe what you do, they'll still believe what they do. You'll both be pissed at each other and looking for ways to cause problems.

DaemonFC

Like, especially at work.

Helenah

hmm

DaemonFC

They'll go to the boss and say you made them feel uncomfortable by insulting their religious beliefs.

DaemonFC

Whoopsie.

Helenah

Yeah, religious people are protected here too and so they should.

Helenah

Helenah

Cause like...

Helenah

I don't think they should be at risk of harm or prejudice based on a belief...

Helenah

a belief that only really affects them

DaemonFC

They have persecutory delusions.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-persecutory-delusions-4586500

DaemonFC

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Helenah

but I don't think people should be able to force their beliefs into other peoples faces.

DaemonFC

But that's their problem. Don't play into it. You'll be the one in trouble.

Helenah

I think it should be personal and kept to ones self.

techuser

parents tell their children about religion

techuser

then most people's religion is the one's their parents had

Helenah

Yeh that's conversion, I don't agree with it, techuser

Helenah

Religion should be consentual.

DaemonFC

"or they believe the government is trying to kill them"

DaemonFC

The government did try to kill me.

Helenah

It must not be forced.

Helenah

The Government is the reason why I exist, DaemonFC

DaemonFC

It's like I just spoke of with schestowitz[TR] about Maricel being nudged out the door at the hospital.

DaemonFC

They just harass you and lean on you and make life hard and you're supposed to take the hint and walk in front of a train.

DaemonFC

That's what the police and state government tried to do to me.

Helenah

I've tried conversing with people and it's being god pushing after god pushing from them

Helenah

like each sentence has to involve god

techuser

why do they take the people who attempt suicide to mental hospitals then though?

Helenah

and when you say you're athiest, politely say it

Helenah

it amounts to nothing on their side

DaemonFC

<techuser> why do they take the people who attempt suicide to mental hospitals then though?

DaemonFC

Medical debt.

Helenah

They don't like... stop the god pushing

DaemonFC

They know that they can put you $50,000 in medical debt and then if you don't kill yourself you'll owe them a lot of money.

Helenah

I'm fine with them having their beliefs, I'm not fine with their beliefs pushed into my face.

Helenah

like I should believe it too

Helenah

You see...

DaemonFC

techuser, Involuntary committal is another way to dial up suicidal pressure when the government is in a harassment campaign against someone like me.

Helenah

This is where American healthcare has gone wrong...

DaemonFC

That's why you never admit they're making you have thoughts of suicide to them.

Helenah

What if someones suicide attempt harms someone else?

Helenah

It's stupid that they don't just sort out the suicidal person...

Aug 24 00:30

Helenah

and want money before they do it...

Aug 24 00:30

DaemonFC

They dump you out a couple weeks later and you owe them money and you're still facing criminal charges, and you owe the court money, and you owe the lawyers money, and you owe the banks money, and your landlord threw you out and you owe the motel money.

Aug 24 00:30

DaemonFC

Been there. Done that. Bought the t-shirt.

Aug 24 00:31

DaemonFC

The whole thing about living here is a scam.

Aug 24 00:32

DaemonFC

If they can't get you to run on a treadmill like Mark and MARISOL, you're no good to them.

Aug 24 00:32

DaemonFC

So they figure out how to force money and labor out of you or get you to kill yourself so you won't be a problem for the state again.

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DaemonFC

It's a conspiracy to destroy the soul of man.

DaemonFC

Now the state's a drug dealer too.

Aug 24 00:34

DaemonFC

Next it'll be a pimp.

DaemonFC

I guarantee you, legal whore houses will be the next thing in Illinois.

DaemonFC

They want money, they know how to get it without complaint. So they'll employ some of their citizens to be prostitutes and tax some of their other citizens to fuck them.

Helenah

Suicide is against UK law

Helenah

but they prevent it at the same time.

Helenah

The idea is...

DaemonFC

<Helenah> Suicide is against UK law

Helenah

not to incriminate you

Helenah

but to erm...

DaemonFC

In less enlightened times, they would hang you for it.

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], ^

Helenah

encourage other people to help you not commit it.

Helenah

But yeah, it's er... weird law even so...

Helenah

So if you attempted suicide you wouldn't end up in jail or with a criminal record...

Helenah

And it's illegal to die in parliament.

Aug 24 00:37

Helenah

Seriously none of this is enforced.

Helenah

There's a lot of un-enforced UK law

Helenah

Because it can be decided which laws are silly and which aren't because it's difficult to change UK law.

DaemonFC

Yeah, they like making a lot of laws.

Helenah

Meaning it takes a long time to get rid of silly laws

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Helenah

so they can mark them un-enforcable

Helenah

For example...

Helenah

It's illegal to carry planks of wood on the pavement, DaemonFC

DaemonFC

Maybe when Illinois decides to have whorehouses they can guarantee no Monkey pox or your monkey back.

DaemonFC

MinceR, ^

schestowitz[TR]

DaemonFC: can't talk right now, drawing card for wife

Helenah

Which means if you went to ikea, bought a wardrobe, carried it across the pavement and into your home then you broke the law.

Helenah

But you won't be done for it because it is a non-enforced law.

Helenah

But is the law

Helenah

at the same time

DaemonFC

<Helenah> It's illegal to carry planks of wood on the pavement, DaemonFC

DaemonFC

There was a guy drawing penises on the potholes to shame the city into filling them.

Helenah

Personal drug possession laws are the same depending on drug classification.

Helenah

I can smoke a weed

DaemonFC

The cops here will pounce on drugs, 10 times worse if you're black.

Helenah

and not be done for it

Helenah

but I broke the law doing so

Helenah

Even the police know, DaemonFC

DaemonFC

Weed is legal but they still figure out ways to bust black people for it.

Helenah

Yep the police know I smoke weed

Helenah

They won't enforce that law.

Helenah

The argument is that... it takes resources which can be best spent on actual harmful crimes.

DaemonFC

That's not how it works here.

DaemonFC

If the police catch you with drugs, they can take everything.

DaemonFC

The money in your bank account, your cash, your car, your house.

Helenah

Yeah, if they can you with drugs they can take the drugs and do you for it

DaemonFC

So they love drugs.

Helenah

Like I said it depends

Helenah

if it's personal use, if it's low classification such as weed

Helenah

they won't do you for it

Helenah

If it's a class A drug personal supply then they will

Helenah

If you run a cannabis farm, they will shut it down

Helenah

They'd rather go after the gold mine than the drug user

Helenah

Because... it isn't worth going after the drug users when you can just shut down the farms...

Aug 24 00:43

Helenah

Yeah, they can't take everything from you for it.

Aug 24 00:43

Helenah

Infact... UK prisons can't take your liberties away

Helenah

Wait is liberties the right term?

Helenah

They got to look after you

Helenah

UK prisons are about... serving time for what you did, they're not about treating you like some turd.

Helenah

For example I'm Autistic

Helenah

and I read into this cause I'm scared of prison due to my Autism

Helenah

Apparently they can't simply just stick me in prison like they would with any NT person.

Helenah

Apparently they got to assign me a support worker who will slowly introduce me to the prison life and make adaptations based on my needs, DaemonFC

Helenah

They won't for example expect you to hang around with the inmates if you would socially struggle with that.

Aug 24 00:46

Helenah

techuser: ^

Aug 24 00:48

schestowitz[TR]

in the us prisons are business

Aug 24 00:49

schestowitz[TR]

businesses have one function

schestowitz[TR]

make more money

schestowitz[TR]

how?

schestowitz[TR]

more prisoners

schestowitz[TR]

or more expensive prisoners

schestowitz[TR]

dental, meals, long terms

Helenah

Yeah in the UK, they're state, "Her Majesty's Prison and Probation Service"

Helenah

That doesn't mean the monarch shapes it though.

schestowitz[TR]

for now

schestowitz[TR]

let's wait for Tories tof* that up, too

Helenah

Well I can only speak of now...

Aug 24 00:52

Helenah

Fuck speculation...

Aug 24 00:52

Helenah

Speculation outputs a fuckton of different potential results, most if not all will not be true most likely.

Aug 24 00:52

DaemonFC

<Helenah> Apparently they got to assign me a support worker who will slowly introduce me to the prison life and make adaptations based on my needs, DaemonFC

DaemonFC

Yeah, that's not how prison works here.

Helenah

They make you life in your piss, shit, vomit?

DaemonFC

They toss you into a cell, you eat whatever they decide to give you, you do whatever work they give you.

Helenah

The guards give you a slap around?

Helenah

DaemonFC

If people rape you in the shower, that's what happens in prison.

Helenah

Here they don't mix high risk offenders with low risk ones...

Helenah

So rapists don't get mixed with debt criminals for example

DaemonFC

Pretty much every state prison system is a shit show.

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DaemonFC

You're better off if you commit a federal crime and they throw you in prison.

Helenah

They have different ways for different profile criminals.

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Helenah

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Helenah

They put the high profile inmates in the centre of the prisons so they're behind a lot more secure doors.

Aug 24 00:55

Helenah

And they don't allow high profile criminals to mix with high profile criminals

DaemonFC

You're less likely to be murdered or raped in federal prison.

Helenah

So they won't mix a rapist with a rapist, a murder with a murder, a rapist with a murder, etc

DaemonFC

They have better food.

Helenah

hmm

DaemonFC

That's why the feds normally don't bust you for something that's also a state crime.

DaemonFC

For example, peddling child pornography is a federal crime, but few people are in federal prison for that. Why?

Helenah

Did you know UK police carry guns as absolute last resort too?

Helenah

hmm

DaemonFC

Because they can throw them in state prison and make them really suffer and spend almost no money feeding them or keeping them safe from the other prisoners.

Helenah

hmm

DaemonFC

It's also more difficult to commit a federal crime, although not a lot more.

Helenah

Even in a riot the police would rather resort to shields and less harmful weapons.

DaemonFC

It has to affect the financial system or involve state lines, or someone's civil rights, or something like that, usually.

Helenah

hmm

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Helenah

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Helenah

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DaemonFC

The federal government likes to push it.

Helenah

US sounds backward...

Helenah

They really give ZERO shits about you whatsoever

DaemonFC

They use the commerce clause to declare that almost any sort of offense or regulation is in their jurisdiction because it may affect interstate commerce somehow.

DaemonFC

<Helenah> They really give ZERO shits about you whatsoever

DaemonFC

Pretty much.

Helenah

Wait... so it's all money driven

Helenah

the damn justice system

Helenah

100% money driven...

Helenah

It's paid for in tax here...

DaemonFC

The federal government tried to pass a federal gun free school zone law saying that it affected interstate commerce.

Helenah

o.O

DaemonFC

The Supreme Court struck that down.

Helenah

How can kids learn around guns?!

Helenah

Geez... seriously...

DaemonFC

They use "taxation" and the commerce clause as the backbone of every law they pass.

Helenah

I never had to worry about guns in my life!

Helenah

And I prefer it that way...

DaemonFC

If you shoot a kid, it may affect commerce!

DaemonFC

Helenah

Why should I have to live in fear?

DaemonFC

We're basically the Ferengi.

Helenah

Why should kids have to struggle to learn and develop due to the fear of being shot every second of every day?

Helenah

Cause that's how it will go

CrystalMath

hi Helenah :)

Helenah

Hi CrystalMath :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause#Civil_rights

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Commerce Clause - Wikipedia

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DaemonFC

"Daniel v. Paul, 395 U.S. 298 (1969), ruled that the federal government could regulate a recreational facility because three of the four items sold at its snack bar were purchased from outside the state.[19]"

Helenah

I'm pretty sure crimes, rules and regulations don't affect commerce unless they involve it...

Helenah

commerce... it's...

Helenah

you know...

Helenah

retail, etc, etc, etc

Helenah

It should have NOTHING to do with the law/justice system!!!

Helenah

Damn

Helenah

They don't know what commerce is...

Helenah

o.O

DaemonFC

"Starting in 1995, the Rehnquist Court's revived federalism, as evident in its 5–4 decision in United States v. Lopez, enforced strict limits to congressional power under the Commerce Clause.[20] In Lopez, the Court struck down the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. It was the first time in almost 60 years that the Court had struck down a federal law for exceeding the limits of the Commerce Clause.[20] In the case, the Court was confronte

DaemonFC

d with the conviction of a high school student for carrying a concealed handgun into school in violation of the act.

DaemonFC

In striking down the federal law, the majority opinion explained:

DaemonFC

[The Gun-Free School Zones Act] is a criminal statute that by its terms has nothing to do with "commerce" or any sort of economic enterprise, however broadly one might define those terms. [The act] is not an essential part of a larger regulation of economic activity, in which the regulatory scheme could be undercut unless the intrastate activity were regulated. It cannot, therefore, be sustained under our cases upholding regulations of

DaemonFC

activities that arise out of or are connected with a commercial transaction, which viewed in the aggregate, substantially affects interstate commerce."

schestowitz[TR]

us holy matrimony between kids and bullets

Aug 24 01:07

DaemonFC

"Lopez was clarified by the Rehnquist Court in United States v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598 (2000). In Morrison, the Court invalidated § 40302 of the Violence Against Women Act ("VAWA"), which created civil liability for the commission of a gender-based violent crime but without any jurisdictional requirement of a connection to interstate commerce or to commercial activity.[27]"

Aug 24 01:07

Helenah

"violence against women act", eh?

Helenah

I'm pretty sure violence affects both sexes...

heureka

and children

Helenah

Yep

DaemonFC

Well, despite the name, it deals generally in domestic violence.

Helenah

but "both sexes" covers children

techuser

Helenah: we have evil SJWs

Helenah

Men are victims of domestic violence too.

DaemonFC

It's possible for a woman to be in trouble with it over violence against a man.

techuser

they will deny violence against men, or racism against white, and so on

Helenah

So the act is named fucky then, DaemonFC

DaemonFC

Yeah, Joe Biden "did that".

DaemonFC

To imply that only men can be violent.

DaemonFC

So he could get votes.

DaemonFC

Men don't vote for Democrats.

Helenah

I mean Testosterone and everything, a man is most likely to go into a fight mode but erm...

DaemonFC

Only about 30-35% of men vote for Democrats.

Helenah

Women also have the fight or flight stress response

DaemonFC

So politicians like Biden look to women for votes, by pandering, by calling men pigs.

Helenah

Meaning they're capable of also behaving the same way

DaemonFC

Even though he is allegedly a man.

Helenah

hmm

DaemonFC

Joe had to pass the Violence Against Women Act, you know.

DaemonFC

To protect women from Hunter.

Helenah

hmm :/

DaemonFC

Helenah

What's wrong with covering both and receiving votes from both cause both feel protected from each other?

Helenah

"Domestic Violence Act"

heureka

nowadays, it's best to stay away from women and relations with them, as far away as possible

DaemonFC

Hunter Biden took a cell phone video of himself trying to pay a hooker in crack.

DaemonFC

he even argued with her about how much crack the scale said was there.

DaemonFC

This is the most embarrassing family member a sitting president has ever had.

DaemonFC

That's after the laptop 'o child porn.

Helenah

I thought him sniffing a girls neck was bad optics...

DaemonFC

Remember when people thought it didn't get worse for a sitting president than to have a family member like Roger Clinton?

Helenah

So he had child porn on a device?

DaemonFC

They were so wrong.

Helenah

And so it wasn't bad optics?

Helenah

Anyone can take a picture of someone close to someone elses neck...

DaemonFC

Having child porn on a laptop is pretty bad optics.

Helenah

and make it look disgusting

Helenah

So yeah that's why I thought "Might be bad optics"

DaemonFC

That's why the media killed all of the Hunter Biden scandals leading to the election.

DaemonFC

Including the Chinese business dealings.

techrights-news

Mendy gets angry at his players after messing around with the ball for ages, basically conceding the goal all on his own. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YeQ1zwo2a98

Helenah

Well I was meaning like...

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Helenah

illusions with camera work

Helenah

Journalists do it all the time to stir shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#Investor_and_lobbyist

DaemonFC

Helenah

So this wasn't an illusion, he probably did that?

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hunter Biden - Wikipedia

DaemonFC

"Several bank accounts linked to Hunter Biden have received $3.8 million in payments from CEFC China Energy, an oil and gas company with links to the Chinese Communist Party.[31] "

DaemonFC

Hunter is currently under federal investigation for various crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hunter Biden laptop controversy - Wikipedia

Helenah

But what does this have to do with Joe Biden?

*Helenah reads article

Helenah

I said it

Helenah

read

Helenah

So Joe was protecting him

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Helenah

Helenah

Damn, that's bad.

DaemonFC

He probably wishes that Hunter died and that he still had Beau Biden.

Helenah

Why is my kitten not breathing...

Helenah

brb

Helenah

DaFuQ...

Helenah

His belly ALWAYS goes up and down!!!

Helenah

Not now so I er...

Helenah

touched him...

Helenah

He's alive...

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/watch-hunter-biden-films-himself-weighing-his-crack/video/da774fbcf03650d074adb63d9a4ac173

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.skynews.com.au | WATCH: Hunter Biden films himself weighing his ‘crack’ | Sky News Australia

https://news.yahoo.com/hunter-biden-says-smoking-crack-224548964.html

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Hunter Biden says he was 'smoking crack every 15 minutes', more jaw-dropping moments from memoir 'Beautiful Things'

Helenah

filmed it... how naive can one get?

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Rj9V-XjCol8

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | WATCH: Hunter Biden films himself weighing his ‘crack’ - Invidious

Helenah

Even a drug dealer knows not to film that...

techrights-ipfs-bot

starstreak

its probably powdered sugar

DaemonFC

2.07 of powdered sugar

DaemonFC

Damn, that's gangsta!

Helenah

Depending on the drug, it might not be right for it to control the mind of someone who is running a country.

schestowitz[TR]

biden laptop conyrtoversty = murdoch running interfereces for trump

schestowitz[TR]

before inciting people to commit treason with a coup

schestowitz[TR]

WSJ, Fox, NYP

schestowitz[TR]

=Murdoch

Helenah

Like I know I wouldn't wanna run a country while I got weed in my system

Helenah

cause I know what weed does to me and it's not good for stuff like that

Helenah

Infact it would turn me into a baffoon in power

Aug 24 01:22

Helenah

It mongs me the hell out

Helenah

My gf says that when I smoke it, I don't talk for days

techrights-news

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Helenah

And also don't take in what's said to me

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Aug 24 01:24

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Aug 24 01:24

Helenah

One minute I love it, the next I'm shouting "I FUCKIN HATE WEED! HOW CAN I FUNCTION LIKE THIS?"

Aug 24 01:24

Helenah

techrights-news: Ignored

schestowitz[TR]

Helenah: muted the bot?

techrights-news

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starstreak

Helenah, i ignored some of the bots too

Helenah

starstreak: How am I supposed to communicate in this channel when the bots fill up my display with a single line of text?!

Helenah

I'm trying to read what people are saying and then the bot tosses up a wall...

starstreak

Helenah, exactly

Helenah

Noisy bots shouldn't be in a discussion channel, just saying.

techrights-news

"As of this moment, Mesa is now using the Mold linker in CI for faster build times. If you haven’t tried Mold yet, you’re just pointlessly wasting your own time." https://www.supergoodcode.com/Continuous/

Aug 24 01:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.supergoodcode.com | Continuous – Mike Blumenkrantz – Super. Good. Code.

Aug 24 01:27

starstreak

"transparency"

Aug 24 01:27

starstreak

you can crash one of the bots by linking the golang source code

Aug 24 01:28

Helenah

I'm not one for using /ignore, my reason is very valid. Lets say there is a channel containing UserA, UserB, UserC, UserD and UserE.... Lets say I put UserB on ignore... lets say at some point UserA and UserB are talking to each other then it looks like UserA is talking to nobody therefore half of the conversation is missing so it gets difficult to understand UserA's

Aug 24 01:29

Helenah

conversation because UserB is ignored. I prefer a mental ignore but it's not easy with noisy bots and plus bots don't create this problem I mentioned that happens when you /ignore humans.

Aug 24 01:29

starstreak

you're absolutely correct

Helenah

Yep

starstreak

thats the same reason that i don't /ignore people but the bots aren't part of conversations

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Helenah

Plus I don't wanna permanently silence people or forget that I silenced them, I like people to have a chance, it's good to observe when they have calmed down and stopped being annoying if you know what I mean.

Helenah

Er.. silence was the wrong word...

Helenah

Though it is a "form" of silencing I suppose...

Helenah

They're silent to yourself

Helenah

Duck hunt bots are annoying too.

Aug 24 01:32

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Aug 24 01:32

Helenah

I don't understand why a developer would write a game that fills up a channel with "QUACK"...

Aug 24 01:33

techrights-news

"Energy costs have gone absolutely off the rails in the UK. The geopolitics of it are known, of course, but that doesn't change the domestic impact." gemini://ur.gs/blog/off-grid-in-suburbia/

Aug 24 01:33

techrights-news

[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D332.jpg

techrights-news

[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D682.jpg

starstreak

i thought of ignoring Daemon but sometimes he says some good stuff

schestowitz[TR]

techrights-news is not a bot per se

Helenah

Duck hunt was never a thing in the past and in the past would've filled up the tiny display resolutions that were available back then.

schestowitz[TR]

and it keeps the channel on topic, more or less

schestowitz[TR]

techrights-ipfs-bot is really a bot

Helenah

These days people don't realise how much they have...

Helenah

resource wise

schestowitz[TR]

as for TechrightsBot-tr, it's a utility bot that helps you know what's linked to

Helenah

They got 4K resolution and higher, they got fucktons of RAM on a single machine, etc, etc

Helenah

And I feel it is turning developers into careless "take resources for granted" sloppy coders too.

schestowitz[TR]

that it has a bug in its handling of very large files isn't new... it assumes certain file size limits... since over a decade ago

techuser

and evil software that eats all the resources

Helenah

Coding software that's heavier than it needs to be.

Helenah

techuser: Yeah, my line er... covered that.

Helenah

I hate it

starstreak

Helenah, people in the 90s would be saying the same thing

Helenah

Why does webkit needs to eat all the RAM when in the past on even less RAM it didn't?

starstreak

"what, 16GB of ram, who needs that much?"

starstreak

i remember when 128mb of ram was a lot

Helenah

starstreak: You want to know much resources each of my IRC servers has?

Helenah

I have an IRC network of 3 servers

starstreak

now im using 4GB just running gnome, discord, element, vlc, keybase, etc

Helenah

Each one has only 128MB RAM but is using way less

Helenah

Around 64MB of it is used

Helenah

single core

Helenah

See?

starstreak

alpine linux?

Helenah

Told you, people are sloppy and take resources for granted.

Helenah

and I can see them doing that when I can still run 128MB RAM single core systems...

schestowitz[TR]

not just computer resources

schestowitz[TR]

some people fly every month

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Devuan, sysvinit

schestowitz[TR]

or flew

Helenah

er... starstreak

schestowitz[TR]

before it became even more of a hassle

starstreak

ahhh

Helenah

systemd isn't an init system, it contains one.

Helenah

It has MANY functions...

schestowitz[TR]

you give people a lot more space

schestowitz[TR]

and they find a way to occupy it all

Helenah

it tries to be "a system" in one single program suite

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Yep

Helenah

And it's greed

schestowitz[TR]

it takes simple programs that work and makes them complicated

schestowitz[TR]

and not modular except among themselves

Helenah

Many friends who have been like "I got 32GB RAM" for example...

schestowitz[TR]

systemd is modular in the ccontext of systemd

Helenah

I say "And I bet you never used it up"

starstreak

why does element and discord need to have their own instances of electron

Helenah

They say "No, I've yet to do it"

Helenah

so then my mind is like "So why spend all that cash on resources you don't need then?"

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], Energy prices are falling again here.

schestowitz[TR]

they then le;ave like 100 tabs open

Helenah

The resources will die of old age before it's well used...

DaemonFC

I just filled up for $3.95 a gallon. Why am I happy about this?

schestowitz[TR]

and cannot even find which one is which

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: My web browser is closed to save on resources.

schestowitz[TR]

same here, partly

Helenah

The only thing I got open is my WM and a terminal emulator.

schestowitz[TR]

I used to use 4 browsers, now 3

schestowitz[TR]

usually only falkon runs

Helenah

"4 browsers", what?

DaemonFC

I have NoScript to deal with most of the JavaShit garbage.

schestowitz[TR]

konqueror, librewold, ff, and falkon

Helenah

o.O

DaemonFC

The stuff mjg59_ was praising for "security".

Helenah

Damn...

Helenah

So you use KDE?

Helenah

Each to their own but no thanks

schestowitz[TR]

nobody is perfect

DaemonFC

Just because people have chosen to expose a JavaShit engine to the Web doesn't mean it's safe to do that.

starstreak

I use gnome and brave

DaemonFC

It just means that's what people are doing.

Helenah

How I see it is I don't need to use a fuckton of resources to for example type a document, but if KDE is running and a word processor at the same time then more resources than needed is used to write that document.

Helenah

Speaking of word processors though

Helenah

I don't use them, I use TeX in vim

DaemonFC

It's like when I was contemplating suicide so I got drunk and had sex with someone I didn't know the 3rd day at the hotel.

Helenah

That's how I even wrote my CV

DaemonFC

It wasn't safe, I just didn't care.

heureka

TeX is a problem too nowadays

Helenah

heureka: It is?

starstreak

I wrote my resume in markdown before but now I'm just lazy and use libreoffice

DaemonFC

A lot of life is where your mind is at, at that moment.

heureka

Helenah: don't recall all details, first and foremost i couldn't find a suitable TeX distribution anymore which did pass all testing here

CrystalMath

starstreak: TeX or gtfo

CrystalMath

(just kidding)

starstreak

fuck TeX

starstreak

lol

Helenah

heureka: Interesting, no problem with it here.

CrystalMath

it's very elitist

DaemonFC

I never really understood as a child how horrible the tragedy of my Aunt was. She never cleaned the house. It was all under 6 laywer of trash. If they got their hand dirty while they were eating, they wiped it on the carpet.

Helenah

I am NOT a level 0 peasant, CrystalMath !

Helenah

But then you know that...

DaemonFC

They would dump their tampons in a corner in the bathroom.

CrystalMath

i kinda like TeX, but i sometimes joke about how elitist it is

Helenah

lol

starstreak

vim is pretty elitist

DaemonFC

The fixtures were broken and she put a wrench on the faucet to replace the handle.

CrystalMath

starstreak: vim is just very convenient

Helenah

Idk I just use what I'm used to...

Helenah

What I like

heureka

TeX and it's dependencies are cluttered all over the place too nowadays

DaemonFC

The shower curtain fell off and nobody ever put it on so they just showered with no curtain until the wall had a hole in it big enough to see through into the kitchen.

starstreak

CrystalMath, i just use nano

CrystalMath

vim users don't look down upon others

Helenah

It's not about putting myself above others and claiming my ways are superior.

techrights-news

When servers were still being REBRANDED as "clown" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xie6CrhI8Aw

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Ian Murdock - Sun's new VP of Cloud Strategy - Invidious

heureka

and the TeX distribtions blew up in size excessively

CrystalMath

starstreak: i use emacs with evil-mode

DaemonFC

The kitchen caught fire and the insurance company wrote her a check. They spent the check going to Disney world and left the fire damage.

CrystalMath

emulating vim

CrystalMath

starstreak

lol

Helenah

heureka: Why are you installing the full distribution?

Helenah

Install what you need.

DaemonFC

I mean, after Keith left and got that "sex change", she was never the same again.

heureka

that's why i am curious about neatroff for example

DaemonFC

What kind of a person does that to his two daughters?

Helenah

If you need a banana, you don't claim the monkey and the jungle with it, do you?

heureka

Helenah: i didn't install any TeX distribution anymore at all

Helenah

Whos is keith, DaemonFC ?

starstreak

oooof, DaemonFC is being transphobic again

DaemonFC

She just fell into a deep depression and never came out of it, for over twenty years, and then she died in a horrific car accident.

Helenah

I wouldn't know if that's transphobia myself...

Helenah

I never really spoke to DaemonFC until now...

heureka

don't recall all details, as i explained, i hammered an acceptance criteria into stone, which is gcc47 c-only toolchain, and no c++

heureka

and none of the TeX distributions passed this anymore

Helenah

So what caused the depression, DaemonFC ?

DaemonFC

Keith ditching his entire family, telling the girls to call him mom, and having a sex change operation.

heureka

then, tried TeTeX from year 2006, and had trouble with the configure.ac autotools magic which failed for no obvious reason

DaemonFC

That's when she fell into the funk and started ruining her house.

heureka

the previous TeTeX maintainer gave up year 2006 iirc

Helenah

heureka: You mean LaTeX or is that not a mistake?

starstreak

Helenah, hes dead naming the trans woman

heureka

no, i didn't mean LaTeX

Helenah

starstreak: Yeah but what I mean is...

DaemonFC

Everyone calls Keith Keith.

DaemonFC

Including his daughters.

Helenah

I'm not sure if it was a lack of education/understanding or transphobia...

heureka

as said, none of the TeX distributions passed acceptance criteria anymore

starstreak

Keith never changed her name?

techuser

Helenah: btw may want to bring Luis64_gamer here (actually, bring back, since he used to be here earlier), as he did mention some planned obsolescence things in PM for me

DaemonFC

Not legally, no.

techuser

I did tell him, idk if he appears

DaemonFC

At the time, no psychiatrist would allow him to get the sex change.

Helenah

techuser: Ah

DaemonFC

They all said he was not a candidate, including the centers in the US that performed those.

DaemonFC

So he went and did it in Canada.

Helenah

Why is not having their name changed legally a reason to dead name them?

DaemonFC

He was dating another woman after he left my Aunt and before he did all of this.

Helenah

you aunt?

DaemonFC

And my Aunt came over to his apartment for something and they ended up having sex.

Helenah

You know each other irl?

DaemonFC

And this girlfriend of his walked in.

DaemonFC

And that's when something inside his brain just snapped and he decided to become a woman.

DaemonFC

I don't believe he's trans and none of the psychiatrists do either.

Helenah

starstreak: DaemonFC "may" be telling the truth... I do not know...

starstreak

I got approved by psychiatrists but it sounds like gatekeeping

DaemonFC

This was never typical behavior for him well into his 30s, and then all of a sudden....

Helenah

I do not really know DaemonFC and I do not know this "apparent" trans person either.

Helenah

And to be honest it's er...

Helenah

Probably best for me not to know maybe

DaemonFC

He always had weird personality quirks. Especially dietary habits.

starstreak

Helenah, hes said "men who wear dresses" before

Helenah

seems as I'm getting conflicting stories from two people.

DaemonFC

He would not eat rice because it "reminded him of maggots".

DaemonFC

No salad dressing on any salads.

Helenah

starstreak: Oh

DaemonFC

Every pizza had to be pepperoni and nothing else.

Helenah

What in this discussion?

Helenah

I didn't see that.

starstreak

Helenah, a few weeks ago, maybe a few months

DaemonFC

When the divorce happened, my aunt said "We are never having another pepperoni pizza in this house again.".

DaemonFC

You could order anything else you wanted, but never a pepperoni (only), because that's all he allowed.

Helenah

Er...

DaemonFC

You can make the joke, "No sausage.".

Helenah

Okies I don't know what to make of this... er okies er... lol

Helenah

I'm gonna like... er... lol keep out of this I think... o.o

DaemonFC

I'm just glad that nothing in my life has ever struck me down with depression like what that did to my Aunt.

DaemonFC

I guess I took the long way around.

DaemonFC

Keith really did hurt himself in a lot of ways.

DaemonFC

He lied on his taxes for years and now can't draw Social Security.

*Helenah sighs

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Helenah

You're gonna keep talking about it anyway so erm...

DaemonFC

He hurt himself in his shop and tried to file for Disability and they said he had no earnings record.

Helenah

The important part to me now is...

Helenah

Before they... er...

Helenah

claimed they're a woman

Helenah

So please, forget the woman bit for now...

DaemonFC

So he asked them to give him money based on my Aunt's record, and they told him "You weren't married for 10 years. You were short by two months.".

Helenah

Before then...

Helenah

Any mental health conditions?

Helenah

Any weird behaviours, things like that?

DaemonFC

<Helenah> Any mental health conditions?

Helenah

Cause like... You clearly want me to know the full story...

Helenah

DaemonFC: Yes...

*starstreak ducks out because this might become triggering

Helenah

o.o

Helenah

Like schizophrenia, autism, adhd, ocd, etc

starstreak

back to star trek generations

Helenah

Anything

DaemonFC

My mom came back to the apartment that Keith and my Aunt had in Kokomo years before they had kids.

DaemonFC

They were going out to eat, and my Aunt asked mom to go get something from the apartment.

DaemonFC

Mom said she walked in and found Keith wearing one of my Aunt's dresses.

DaemonFC

He made her swear she'd never say anything about it.

Helenah

That's apparently common with trans people to at first wear whatever article of clothing they can get their hands on even if it's out of a family members wardrobe and often done privately too...

DaemonFC

How horrible, though.

DaemonFC

To have kids and then put them through that.

Helenah

I don't think it's as simple as you make it out to be though...

DaemonFC

If he already figured he wanted to "be a woman".

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DaemonFC

Why was he putting my aunt through that?

DaemonFC

Why would he have kids and then bail and leave her to raise them as a single mom when they were 2?

DaemonFC

What an asshole.

Helenah

There is the shame part of it too that well regardless of being trans or not, if you are made to feel ashamed of something then you bury it deep inside...

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DaemonFC

And I'm the villain for "deadnaming". LOL

Helenah

And it can take like...

Helenah

DECADES for one to finally out what's inside of them...

Helenah

and by that point a lot has already gone on in their lives...

starstreak

DaemonFC, you're a villain because you're putting all this selfish blame on him when he was trying to come out

Helenah

that messes in life happen...

starstreak

s/he/she

DaemonFC

He should have done it before he had kids.

DaemonFC

Or before he decided to get married!

starstreak

its not always known before

DaemonFC

She could have married someone decent and had a nice life.

starstreak

i was 34 when i figured it out

Helenah

DaemonFC: Did you listen to what I said though?

starstreak

i was married too

Helenah

About the shame?

DaemonFC

What about what he put them through?

starstreak

being her authentic self?

DaemonFC

I was furious when he came to my Aunt's funeral.

Helenah

This is going to be hard for the kids, yes

Helenah

but...

Helenah

the "shame" thing I said

DaemonFC

If he wasn't a sick old man on oxygen I could have knocked him into next week for having the nerve to show up and sit next to the casket.

Helenah

They may have thought they would've never been able to come out...

DaemonFC

Introducing himself as her ex.

starstreak

ok im leaving for real because im trans and this conversation is very triggering for me

Helenah

and therefore just... got on with life... you know?

Helenah

starstreak: Wait... I'm sorry! :'(

starstreak

Helenah, its not you

Helenah

starstreak: Please forgive me...

Helenah

Phew...

starstreak

actually im just gonna temp ignore him

starstreak

DaemonFC!*@* added to ignore list.

DaemonFC

I'm not anti-trans, I just don't like Keith in particular.

schestowitz[TR]

join the club

DaemonFC

That's triggered Garrett too.

starstreak

lol

schestowitz[TR]

the "ignore DaemonFC " club

Helenah

er..

DaemonFC

We've gotten to the point in our society where if you don't like an individual who has a characteristic, it makes you a bigot.

DaemonFC

Even if you have legitimate reasons to dislike them.

starstreak

im surprised he hasnt been banned for his conduct already

starstreak

hes constantly saying racist things too

DaemonFC

So everyone figures that out and hides behind it.

starstreak

"i cant be racist, i have a non white partner"

DaemonFC

I'm in an interracial gay marriage and there's a lot of other things that a lot of people wouldn't like about me.

DaemonFC

I'm sure if they try really hard, they can hate me for some legitimate reason though.

starstreak

he literally derailed a tech convo about resources with his transphobic nonsense

DaemonFC

I believe in them!

Helenah

DaemonFC: It isn't not liking an individual that makes you a bigot, it's expressing your dislike towards the individual which then touches that individuals emotions.

Aug 24 02:05

Helenah

You can dislike who you want.

Aug 24 02:05

Helenah

Doesn't mean you have you outwardly speak it though.

Aug 24 02:06

DaemonFC

I thought he put my Aunt through every worldly indignity possible but then he crashed her funeral too.

Aug 24 02:06

Helenah

There is such a thing as common sense.

Aug 24 02:06

DaemonFC

She was a good person. The world destroys good people.

Aug 24 02:07

DaemonFC

It's almost like a bloodsport.

Aug 24 02:07

DaemonFC

The depression was one aspect. And like I said, I never really understood it. It's like living in Hell forever, by choice.

Aug 24 02:08

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Aug 24 02:08

DaemonFC

Aside from the police trying to drive me to kill myself, I wouldn't have lost one minute of sleep over John.

Aug 24 02:09

DaemonFC

But even with them, I've never descended into absolute madness that's gone on for more than a few weeks.

Aug 24 02:09

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DaemonFC

<Helenah> Like schizophrenia, autism, adhd, ocd, etc

schestowitz[TR]

"i'm as mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!!!'

DaemonFC

They use all of those diagnoses because they don't know what they're doing.

DaemonFC

The psychiatrists don't. They're bullshit artists. Good ones, too.

schestowitz[TR]

Great depressio part II

schestowitz[TR]

coming to you soon, 100 years later

DaemonFC

I've been diagnosed with about half the things in their book.

Helenah

People who support free speech think they NEED to say something when in actuality they WANT to say something and then will try justifying what they said as something they needed to say...

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], They don't know. They're guessing at names they invented for things they invented.

DaemonFC

Everyone wants to be fucking crazy all of a sudden.

DaemonFC

It's fashionable.

DaemonFC

"I'm neurodivergent!" *chuckles*

Helenah

So you think my Autism is a fashion?

*DaemonFC takes pictures of all the pills, posts them to Reddit

DaemonFC

<Helenah> So you think my Autism is a fashion?

DaemonFC

No, I mean, like....

DaemonFC

When they've been committed a couple of times.

DaemonFC

They can come back and tell me how much they enjoy being "neurodivergent". (crazy)

DaemonFC

Because when you're talking to someone who has been a repeat victim of psychiatrists, you must be this tall to ride.

Helenah

neurodivergence != crazy

Helenah

It = neurologically wired non-typically

DaemonFC

I have fucking had it.....with psychiatrists telling me what I will never do.

Helenah

I'm not NT either but I'm not crazy.

DaemonFC

You know, they even said they'd be surprised if I could ever count change.

DaemonFC

Most people in their 20s can't do that. You give me some change, I'll cash you out in 2 seconds flat.

Helenah

DaemonFC: Yeah my psychiatrist said the same thing but I was diagnosed at age 14

DaemonFC

It's like basic shit, you know. People are losing the ability to tie their fucking shoes.

schestowitz[TR]

Helenah: I told you that "bot" was more on-topic than most

DaemonFC

And I'm going to be insulted by this guy?

Helenah

A pediatric psychiatrist can't always know how someone will be as an adult.

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Lol yeah :D

DaemonFC

<Helenah> DaemonFC: Yeah my psychiatrist said the same thing but I was diagnosed at age 14

schestowitz[TR]

after 14+ years we're stiull here in IRC

DaemonFC

The school made my parents take me to child psychiatrists when I was 6.

schestowitz[TR]

with a nazi from germany, a gay transphob from IL, and people who would not get along

schestowitz[TR]

but we all share an interest in tech

DaemonFC

Dr. Vance Maloney

Helenah

If you think agr 14 is late for diagnosis then look into Autistic women, they usually get diagnosed at age 14+ while men at age 7-

Helenah

*age

Helenah

They're expected to be socially sophisticated.

DaemonFC

I remember his name because on the way to see him I was like "Vance Maloney, full 'a boloney! Vance Maloney, full 'a boloney!".

DaemonFC

Which isn't bad for a 6 year old, right?

Helenah

Are you a person who sees all doctors as bad?

https://www.taylor.edu/employees/faculty/vance-maloney

DaemonFC

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DaemonFC

There he is.

Aug 24 02:18

Helenah

hmm

Aug 24 02:18

DaemonFC

<Helenah> Are you a person who sees all doctors as bad?

Aug 24 02:19

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DaemonFC

No, just the hacks.

Helenah

This one is mine, DaemonFC https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E03AQHBTiYJIdcfHg/profile-displayphoto-shrink_200_200/0/1516331250843?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=y7D_QuoFVH2JWKrerg4SlVOR9DUoeXcj4z-oqCNztd0

Helenah

Was mine even

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scientes

XRevan86 have you ever coded ARM thumb code?

Aug 24 02:21

Helenah

DaemonFC: So how do I know you can actually manage money? What if your psychiatrist was actually right and that you "think" you can handle money when in reality you're not handling it very well?

Aug 24 02:24

scientes

I assume the link register is just a normal register, so I could use it to do coroutines

Aug 24 02:24

Helenah

If you "think" you can handle it properly then you will tell people you can manage money.

Aug 24 02:24

DaemonFC

The only reason I went bankrupt was because of the disaster that my ex caused.

scientes

there are a bunch of namedregisters, but on the pc is truly special

DaemonFC

A horrible disaster that nobody else would have made it out of.

Helenah

DaemonFC: This trans woman who I seem to only know as "Keith"?

DaemonFC

Oh I can't remember what he calls himself now.

DaemonFC

Something that begins with J.

Helenah

Okies

DaemonFC

Jennifer or Jessica, it's one of those I think.

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Helenah

So why do you think that you ex is the reason why you fucked up your money?

Helenah

*your

Helenah

Why can't you manage your own money without allowing others to interfere?

DaemonFC

Well, at that point I had to hire a psychiatrist, move out, live in motels for over 2 years.

DaemonFC

Figure out how to pay immigration lawyers and fees.

Helenah

Oh yeah I remember you saying now.

DaemonFC

It was just so many things at once, and mine was the only income.

DaemonFC

Immigration would have never heard our case.

Helenah

But again... this story just doesn't idk... lol It's like.. I'm hearing a one-sided argument and no input from the other side becase well they're gone and then hearing bits and pieces from other people who are IRC users and have nothing to do with that persons real life.

DaemonFC

They would have said we had barely any money and denied even hearing it.

DaemonFC

I lied to MARISOL and implied that I was just shy of being able to support our household.

DaemonFC

When I was actually a lot shy.

DaemonFC

She figured that she could extort him once he began working.

schestowitz[TR]

what household?

schestowitz[TR]

she could be in the streets soon

schestowitz[TR]

with debt

DaemonFC

So she kept her mouth shut for a while and by the time she tried to get his money from his job, once they granted him permission, I told her "No.".

schestowitz[TR]

hosueholds are relative

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], I had to bootstrap our case with her promising to support him.

schestowitz[TR]

our households is cheap to sustain

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: She might be on the streets now hence why she didn't come back here.

schestowitz[TR]

like under $1000

DaemonFC

By the time she hired an attorney to undo that, it didn't matter anymore because he was working, and our combined income was high enough.

DaemonFC

She thinks she's smarter than everyone else.

DaemonFC

She was really going crazy when I told her to fuck off.

Helenah

So why tell her to fuck off then if she's going crazy? How does that help a person recover from craziness?

Helenah

Surely a person going crazy needs psychiatrist help, no?

DaemonFC

I don't care about her mental health.

Helenah

How do I know you're not the selfish one in all this?

Helenah

See?

Helenah

You are the selfish one!

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]

<DaemonFC> She was really going crazy when I told her to fuck off.

schestowitz[TR]

she cannot GO crazy

schestowitz[TR]

she IS crazy

Helenah

You call her crazy so you're admitting they're off their head and you don't care about their mental health?

DaemonFC

When she was harassing us by telephone, I changed our phone numbers.

Helenah

How can you be with someone and just let them suffer like that?

Helenah

You act the victim in all this...

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], I meant, she was lashing out irrationally over the phone.

DaemonFC

In all sorts of weird ways.

Helenah

How do I know she isn't partly victim too?

DaemonFC

She was harassing us over those fake texting things online.

DaemonFC

After I blocked her number.

DaemonFC

So I changed our numbers.

Helenah

And why does not liking someone individually justifying being transphobic to them?

Helenah

You said you didn't mind trans people just hated her...

Helenah

So if you aren't transphobic... then why be that to particular individuals?

Helenah

You could've said any insult but why that?

DaemonFC

Keith? Because of the way he treated my Aunt and my cousins? Absolutely unforgivable.

DaemonFC

They don't even like him.

Helenah

But you said they have poor mental health...

Helenah

People can behave insane when they have mental health issues...

DaemonFC

I said he really messed his kids up.

DaemonFC

Traumatized them.

Helenah

And such people need help from the hospital

DaemonFC

To say nothing of the depression, the other kids making fun of them.

DaemonFC

Parents should suffer for their kids.

Helenah

I think you just make things all about you and your family.

DaemonFC

Not the other way around.

DaemonFC

If you can't, then don't have them.

Helenah

And refuse to look into why someone else is behaving the way they are...

Helenah

You call them crazy, you don't state the cause...

schestowitz[TR]

<Helenah> You call her crazy so you're admitting they're off their head and you don't care about their mental health?

schestowitz[TR]

there's more to it

schestowitz[TR]

I have heard about it for over a year

Helenah

hmm

schestowitz[TR]

she was abusing them really badly

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]

and apparently defrauding, scheming to kill her own borther

schestowitz[TR]

for money

DaemonFC

Yes!

DaemonFC

The fake insurance policy she forged his name on.

schestowitz[TR]

that's not crazy I can have sympathy for

DaemonFC

For a million dollars.

DaemonFC

She even lied on his medical history.

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Did you know that... in a UK court... you can be let off with crime on the grounds of "insanity"? You want to know why that is? Because it's a valid reason why people might do terrible, terrible things...

Helenah

So why was this not brought up with any professional person?

Helenah

And dealt with 100% by DaemonFC's family?

DaemonFC

The police ignored me and wouldn'y take my report.

schestowitz[TR]

Helenah: it still endangers the public

DaemonFC

I essentially have no family that will help me.

schestowitz[TR]

that's why ther public might be better off with some of them locked up

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Yeah and in the UK you can be sectioned too if a danger to the public.

schestowitz[TR]

people who can commit mass murder

DaemonFC

Helenah, They're either dead or have disowned me, or broke and can't help.

DaemonFC

So I'm on my own.

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: People can claim murder on the grounds of insanity too

Helenah

and it would be seen as a public health risk.

Helenah

but the insanity would be taken into consideration at the same time.

DaemonFC

Yeah, it's better to claim some sort of diminished capacity.

Helenah

I'm not talking about using it as an excuse...

DaemonFC

They drove you to the point where you may have been somewhat responsible, but it wasn't cold blooded.

Helenah

people who work in the justice system can tell if someone is lying...

DaemonFC

Even Hans Reiser managed that.

DaemonFC

<Helenah> people who work in the justice system can tell if someone is lying...

DaemonFC

That's not true.

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DaemonFC

If you have to lie, lie like you have nothing invested in it.

DaemonFC

People who get emotional about lying have tells.

DaemonFC

The tells are how other people end up being onto them.

Helenah

Except...

Helenah

When I've read about such tells in the past...

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Helenah

They also manifest in my social awkwardness

Helenah

So no... you can't see that to claim someone is lying.

Helenah

When they could simply be socially awkward.

DaemonFC

Most ways people get caught doing something are by being careless.

DaemonFC

Leaving a lot of evidence.

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Helenah

I wonder if they'd have to record me?

Helenah

I know they do with my gf...

Helenah

She's got Schizophrenia

Helenah

the police for example are only allowed to interview her behind a camera but not be in the room with her.

DaemonFC

Like, someone gets killed and the police don't have any physical evidence. They know you didn't like the person.

DaemonFC

What do they do?

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Helenah

They did nothing...

DaemonFC

They go arrest you and question you and lead you into admitting it.

Helenah

Their laptop was confiscated...

Helenah

Came back clean

Helenah

But...

Helenah

they interviewed her too

Helenah

and they said that cause of her Schizophrenia diagnosis, they're not allowed to be in the room with her and so it has to be done via camera and mic.

DaemonFC

Most criminals get caught by lack of planning and being stupid and leaving all kinds of evidence.

DaemonFC

Also, not knowing what the laws are sets you back terribly.

DaemonFC

If you look at the law, really read what it says, you may find ways to work around it.

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Helenah

DaemonFC: Here you go https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/wp-content/uploads/the-welfare-of-vulnerable-people-in-police-custody.pdf

Helenah

The camera and mic is one of the welfare's

DaemonFC

The cops here like "vulnerable" people.

DaemonFC

Mentally retarded people. Crazy people.

DaemonFC

They can pin all sorts of things on them.

DaemonFC

Even get them to admit it all.

DaemonFC

Helenah

You see lets say someone is socially awkward, they need space when you speak with them, you shouldn't be in the same room as them, looking at them, being close to them at a table, etc.

DaemonFC

Their favorite is arresting people who don't even speak English and getting a full written confession in English, with perfect grammar and punctuation.

DaemonFC

Waukegan Police Special

Helenah

It can make the awkwardness worse

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], ^

schestowitz[TR]

Helenah: i don't trust cops here

schestowitz[TR]

and they are not even as ruthless as the met

Helenah

Yeh, they sound full on corrupt

Helenah

Here I wouldn't say they're corrupt as such but what I would say is they're underfunded and that can affect their er... work quality.

Aug 24 02:47

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schestowitz[TR]

which part of england?

Aug 24 02:47

schestowitz[TR]

i have a cop friend

schestowitz[TR]

who confesses to mdoing illegal things

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Manchester met police, lancashire constabulary.

schestowitz[TR]

like hitting people at the neck

schestowitz[TR]

to neutralise them

Helenah

Those are the only two I know

Helenah

They two have their own funding pots

Helenah

I wrote a program

Helenah

that will list the police forces in the country

schestowitz[TR]

i am in manc also

https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/04/14/police-protection/

schestowitz[TR]

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Helenah

Yeah, the tories keep cutting the met police.

Helenah

Which er...

Helenah

makes the quality of the force not good

schestowitz[TR]

iirc, no encounters with police since ther above

schestowitz[TR]

so nothing to update with

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: They know I smoke weed.

schestowitz[TR]

if cops come knocking for info...

schestowitz[TR]

...no thanks, didn't heard nuthin'

Helenah

They said I am allowed to smoke weed and that it's fine, schestowitz[TR]

Helenah

I er...

Helenah

Told them some things when I was raped

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starstreak

weed is legal in canada

Helenah

I was honest that I smoke weed anyway despite them forcing me to smoke it.

schestowitz[TR]

hi souseksi

Helenah

And they said smoking weed is fine

Helenah

Told you they don't enforce that law

Helenah

I confirmed it

souseksi

Hello

starstreak

i can't smoke weed anymore though, it makes me paranoid

Helenah

starstreak: It's illegal here

schestowitz[TR]

i think pot is class a now

Helenah

but illegal =! enforced

schestowitz[TR]

our neighbours smoke that shit

schestowitz[TR]

smells bad

schestowitz[TR]

i opened the door just now

Helenah

Illegal just means wrote in law to be illegal

Helenah

enforced means the written laws are carried out

schestowitz[TR]

nobody smokes anything at 3am

Helenah

Pot is class A?

Helenah

You won't like this but...

Helenah

I can understand why they changed it to that...

schestowitz[TR]

the closest i got to narcotics was in medical procedure

Helenah

Because...

schestowitz[TR]

they made me more friendly

Helenah

I've heard big week smokers tell me I'm smoking the wrong stuff

Helenah

I've been smoking it since I was 19

schestowitz[TR]

but pain relievers really

Helenah

many many different strains

Helenah

both hybrid and non-bybrid

Helenah

Seriously... it debilitates me

Helenah

So if it debilitates me then I won't be the only one it does it to

schestowitz[TR]

i like reading

schestowitz[TR]

and writing

schestowitz[TR]

no need for booze

DaemonFC

I smoked pot when it was illegal.

DaemonFC

Just because I could.

Helenah

I used to want it to be legal, schestowitz[TR]

DaemonFC

Now that it's legal, it's like who cares.

DaemonFC

It's everywhere.

schestowitz[TR]

you can have booze

schestowitz[TR]

it's cheaper too, i think

Helenah

Not when driving though

schestowitz[TR]

bad on the liver

DaemonFC

People who aren't particularly clever can go buy it.

Helenah

which I agree with that law

DaemonFC

It FUNDS the state. Fuck the state.

schestowitz[TR]

2l; bottle of chemical cider is still like one pound fifty

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], The beatings will continue until morale improves!

Helenah

Yeah it's ridiculous

Helenah

My step dad drank that nightly

DaemonFC

Pritzker seems to think this is fine.

Helenah

It fucked his liver

Helenah

And he was like "Bah, it won't fuck up again"

schestowitz[TR]

it would

Helenah

started again

Helenah

It was the second time he ended up in hospital that...

Helenah

it became lasered into his brain that it will fuck him up each time...

Helenah

He got scared and quit

schestowitz[TR]

good

Helenah

But after the first time he ended up in hospital

Helenah

My mother was like "Don't do that again"

schestowitz[TR]

permanent damage

Helenah

What did he do? He went to the park to drink it

schestowitz[TR]

quitting =damage control

schestowitz[TR]

same with smoking

Helenah

But my mother is a very tolerant person

Helenah

anyone else, he'd be out

Helenah

My mother even gave my biological father a second chance when he had an affair

schestowitz[TR]

alcohol is in our culture

Helenah

But my biological father blew the chance

schestowitz[TR]

the worker class was given booze to cope with hard life

Helenah

but he's a whackjob anyway, my step father is nice.

schestowitz[TR]

the pubs

Helenah

Yeah

schestowitz[TR]

btw, covid i view similarly

Helenah

I drink caffe corretto

schestowitz[TR]

fucks you ujp each time you get it

Helenah

I'm single vaccinated, schestowitz[TR]

schestowitz[TR]

still undecided on damage done by synthetic covid

Helenah

and had covid afterwards

schestowitz[TR]

depends on which maker, too

Helenah

Well

Helenah

I'm single vaxxed cause

Helenah

the vaccine fucked me up...

Helenah

I was almost dead...

schestowitz[TR]

now they want to press reset and do another round of 60 million shots

Helenah

It almost killed me

schestowitz[TR]

for "omicron"

schestowitz[TR]

all my close friends took the shots

Helenah

I don't want anymore vaccinations, schestowitz[TR]

Helenah

I'm terrified :'(

schestowitz[TR]

all of them had bnad things to say

schestowitz[TR]

they re not cranks

Helenah

My heart hasn't been the same since...

schestowitz[TR]

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schestowitz[TR]

one pro/lecturer

Helenah

The vaccine fucked my heart...

schestowitz[TR]

*prof

DaemonFC

I am a Doctor of Divinity.

schestowitz[TR]

the other has 3 masters degrees, world champion for atheletics

DaemonFC

It's true!

schestowitz[TR]

it did him a lot of damage

Helenah

And yet I get covid...

Helenah

and it's extremely mild

schestowitz[TR]

now they call everyone "antivaxxers"

Helenah

and my body fights it off in 2 days

schestowitz[TR]

even people who take it

schestowitz[TR]

if they don't like it

Helenah

I'd rather just get covid, schestowitz[TR]

DaemonFC

The Universal Life Church pretty much just gives away honorary titles.

Helenah

I prefer to have covid

schestowitz[TR]

<DaemonFC> schestowitz[TR], The beatings will continue until morale improves!

schestowitz[TR]

the doses will contiunuen until morale improves

DaemonFC

I figure get one that sounds important.

Helenah

DaemonFC: Do you think this is a Plandemic?

schestowitz[TR]

covid-19 stilll kills loads of people

http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/

schestowitz[TR]

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schestowitz[TR]

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Helenah

Whether it's a plandemic or not...

Helenah

It's serious as fuck!

Helenah

Regardless...

Helenah

and should be taken seriously...

DaemonFC

Helenah, It would be impossible to prove one way or another whether this is bioengineered or released deliberately.

Helenah

Nobody knows how it started really

schestowitz[TR]

<Helenah> I prefer to have covid

schestowitz[TR]

better to have neither

Helenah

there is only ever speculation

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Yeah yeah ofc

DaemonFC

It's a little convenient that it kills pensioners.

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schestowitz[TR]

i recognise that's not possible in some occupations

Helenah

but I mean if I have to have one or the other

Helenah

it would be covid that I choose

Helenah

because of my experience with the vaccine.

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Helenah

And the fact that...

Helenah

the NHS said they'd help but

Helenah

repeated contact got me no help

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Helenah

They said I needed to take my other shots under the monitoring of a specialist

Helenah

I can't get them to do it so...

DaemonFC

My dad figures it was deliberate.

Helenah

I'm now denied vaccinations

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DaemonFC

Kill off the people on Social Security and other pension funds.

DaemonFC

And leave the workers.

schestowitz[TR]

DaemonFC: capitalism does not need pensioners

DaemonFC

Nope.

Helenah

And I would rather be denied vaccinations than take them and go home with that in my system and then end up dead...

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: No but they need people to be healthy :)

Helenah

To support worker count

Helenah

more workers, more money

schestowitz[TR]

my mom got cover 3+ times

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DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], If it leaves them all, then taxes will have to go up to pay for them.

schestowitz[TR]

AFTER she got 4 shots

schestowitz[TR]

she was bed-bound a lot

schestowitz[TR]

she his mid 60s

schestowitz[TR]

*got covid

schestowitz[TR]

not cover

schestowitz[TR]

typing while standing sorry

schestowitz[TR]

i try not to sit down TOOO much

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Are you from the UK? The British have a way of talking to each other but you don't show a single sign of that.

schestowitz[TR]

in manc

schestowitz[TR]

we live in same place

Helenah

Ah manc well they say that for short :D

schestowitz[TR]

man-che-stah!

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: I had to abandon the city

schestowitz[TR]

a friend of mine left

Helenah

I was raped by 3 men

Helenah

I lived in the roughest estate in Bury...

schestowitz[TR]

moved to oldham area but the mountains

schestowitz[TR]

we like ther market in bury

schestowitz[TR]

did not go well outside it

Helenah

Hell I even had a pedophile killer in my house...

Helenah

And with me chatting on these IRC nets

Helenah

connected to like

Helenah

anoymisers

Helenah

tor and what not

Helenah

you hear a lot of pedo talk

Helenah

and I could've been killed

Helenah

if like...

Helenah

Someone talked of that

Helenah

and he saw it over my shoulder!

Helenah

o.o

schestowitz[TR]

that is a problem

Helenah

Yep

schestowitz[TR]

being force to live with dodgy people

Helenah

I was forced cause er...

Helenah

I developed stockholm syndrome

schestowitz[TR]

i know

schestowitz[TR]

wait

Helenah

You do?

Helenah

You had it?

schestowitz[TR]

i know comes before that

schestowitz[TR]

the irc sequence came out all wrong

Helenah

Oh wow nice, someone who understands me! :D

schestowitz[TR]

i nodded to forced

Helenah

hmm

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]

i lives in moss side for a couple of months

schestowitz[TR]

with fellow students

schestowitz[TR]

it was cheap

schestowitz[TR]

i didn't get mugged

schestowitz[TR]

but those places are risky

schestowitz[TR]

this was 2001

Helenah

But yeah, Stockholm syndrome where you support the ones you're victim to. He was high profile, most wanted by the Manchester police and I was harbouring him because the stockholm syndrome.

Helenah

I was protecting him

Helenah

a pedophile killer...

schestowitz[TR]

financial constraints leave people unable to live with reliable co-tenants

Helenah

My heart is racing now...

Helenah

WTF

Helenah

did I say...

schestowitz[TR]

take your time

schestowitz[TR]

take a break

Helenah

Oh co-tenants, never done that.

Helenah

He wasn't a co-tenant.

schestowitz[TR]

they were OK

schestowitz[TR]

the surroundings were not

Helenah

hmm

schestowitz[TR]

2 germanys, two brits

schestowitz[TR]

mostly computer scientists

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]

paying like 50 quid a week

Helenah

hmm

schestowitz[TR]

20+ years ago

schestowitz[TR]

food was cheaper too

Helenah

Yes it was cheaper

schestowitz[TR]

the house was filthy.... men's place

Helenah

I harboured another murderer too

schestowitz[TR]

even CS men!

schestowitz[TR]

geeks are worst then average

Helenah

due to stockholm syndrome

schestowitz[TR]

one broughtn his girldfriened in

schestowitz[TR]

and she eventualkly did the bath

Helenah

And then when I was raped I supported the rapists

schestowitz[TR]

women are less tolerant to filth

Helenah

Yes

Helenah

agreed

schestowitz[TR]

i remember whose fault the filth was

schestowitz[TR]

even walking on the carpet was awful

Helenah

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]

i used flip-flops

schestowitz[TR]

INSIDE the home

schestowitz[TR]

on ther carpets

Helenah

I lived in filth... :'(

Helenah

I didn't want to...

Helenah

I couldn't clean my home because my mental health was too shot, schestowitz[TR]

schestowitz[TR]

many people who nare high and or stoned end up like this

Helenah

stockholm syndrome and PTSD piling themselves on top of my Autism and ADHD...

schestowitz[TR]

i saw homes of "artistic types"

Helenah

Well they were forcing drugs into me

schestowitz[TR]

much worse than filthy

schestowitz[TR]

it's like a barn!

Helenah

cocaine, weed

Helenah

alcohol

Helenah

tobacco

Helenah

even food was forced into me

Helenah

turd forced into me

Helenah

beastiality I was forced to do

Helenah

blowjobs I was forced to give

Helenah

Had to do it or shag the knife and bleed to death

schestowitz[TR]

ssounds awful

Helenah

I would rather shag a dog than die, schestowitz[TR]

Helenah

And I was grossed out by it...

Helenah

and felt...

Helenah

er...

Helenah

sorry I'm crying...

schestowitz[TR]

sorry

Helenah

I felt sorry for the dog...

Helenah

while telling the rapist I was loving the dog sex

Helenah

while being grossed out by the sex

schestowitz[TR]

and did not report to the policed?

schestowitz[TR]

tbh, cops don't know how to deal with such stuff

Helenah

Police didn't believe me, schestowitz[TR]

schestowitz[TR]

yes, cops are on average not clever

schestowitz[TR]

and orrupt

Helenah

I was imprisoned too

Helenah

so it was years later

Helenah

before I could tell the police...

Helenah

and at that point I was busy fleeing the area

Helenah

Heart racing, running, panicing

schestowitz[TR]

rochdale still has this issue

schestowitz[TR]

but..

Helenah

"OH shit, don't catch me, don't want them to see me, don't want them to run after me"

schestowitz[TR]

not the same

Helenah

I ran and ran and ran

Helenah

and ran

schestowitz[TR]

cops cxovering up

Helenah

faster than ever in my life...

Helenah

I then banged hard on a strangers door I don't even know shouting "PLEASE LET ME IN!"

Helenah

Opened it, I ran in

Helenah

They er... sat me down and everything, cup of tea and everything, I'm crying, out of breath

Helenah

greasy

schestowitz[TR]

did she or he phone cops?

Helenah

She could tell

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Yeah but they didn't believe me

schestowitz[TR]

useless

techrights-ipfs-bot

schestowitz[TR]

as usual

schestowitz[TR]

cops always let me down here

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]

i learned to ignore them

schestowitz[TR]

they can come for a fight

schestowitz[TR]

that's it

Helenah

But yeah she said I looked a mess

Helenah

She said without me asking

Helenah

"You can go take a shower if you like"

schestowitz[TR]

anything more complicated than come for a fight.. not suitably trained

Helenah

My clothes were filthy

schestowitz[TR]

or dealing with stressed out victims

Helenah

I was fed food by the rapists to keep me alive

Helenah

so I would continue satisfying them

Helenah

it was 3 men

Helenah

but like...

Helenah

they turned it into a freak show of the 3 men plus 15 more...

Helenah

Irish, big family

Helenah

They watched

Helenah

3 men one by one would shit into my mouth

Helenah

I had to eat it whole

Helenah

I wasn't allowed to puke it out and if I did I had to eat off the floor

Helenah

They claimed to be gypsies

Helenah

Showed me "gypsies having sex" videos

Helenah

it's rough

Helenah

had me do the stuff

Helenah

But they like... ran a business and er... rented an apartment

schestowitz[TR]

have they all been arrested yet?

Helenah

I don't know

Helenah

I'm in a lovely village now :D

Helenah

I <3 this villege!

Helenah

I deserve this place

Helenah

oh I'm tearing again

Helenah

but this time tears of happiness!

Helenah

awww

schestowitz[TR]

sorry, didn't imagine the discussion would gom down this route

Helenah

At first...

schestowitz[TR]

you are still young enough to restart

Helenah

when the PTSD was there I didn't speak of it

Helenah

unless my gf forced it out of me during a trigger

Helenah

So because of that...

Helenah

I now these days feel I can have a good talk about it, you know?

Helenah

Because I couldn't previously

schestowitz[TR]

so that was in bury

Helenah

I still get Stockholm syndrome a little bit

Helenah

Or should I say...

souseksi

Helenah, I'm sorry to hear you were in such a terrible situation

Helenah

I can feel in situations like

Helenah

if it got rough

Helenah

The syndrome would come out of me

Helenah

but everyone is nice around here

Helenah

souseksi: Aww thanks

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]

you're welcome gere

schestowitz[TR]

*here

Helenah

I was a "yes" person

schestowitz[TR]

didn't even realise you are from the same city

Helenah

or a "no" person, whether I'd respond "yes" or "no" would depend on whether it put the criminal at an advantage.

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: I'm not from it :D

Helenah

It was like I was a robotic assistant

schestowitz[TR]

the cops in yorkshire were also failing

Helenah

There to support the people who use me

schestowitz[TR]

several no-notorious places

schestowitz[TR]

know better for abuses like these than their football teams or history

Helenah

Told to cook a meal I went and cooked a meal

schestowitz[TR]

the sad thing is,

schestowitz[TR]

I don't think the police got any better since then

schestowitz[TR]

maybe they hide it better

schestowitz[TR]

hostage situation now involve landlords, too

Helenah

I wish I had man muscles

Helenah

It was as simple as this to keep me captive...

schestowitz[TR]

weapons are stronger than muscles

Helenah

grip me by the arm and drag me inside

schestowitz[TR]

but they're messsy to deal with

Helenah

That's all it took

Helenah

I was weak

Helenah

Trying to get htem off me was like wrestling with iron man

schestowitz[TR]

they use psychological tricks too

schestowitz[TR]

common theme

schestowitz[TR]

1) turn the girl intoa junkie

schestowitz[TR]

than use the addiction

schestowitz[TR]

2) call her "girlfriend"

schestowitz[TR]

then she eels guilty about leaving

schestowitz[TR]

3) lower her morale a lot

schestowitz[TR]

that leads to stockholm syndrome

Helenah

:'(

schestowitz[TR]

or the self-esteem

schestowitz[TR]

.e.g. "you're BLOODY USELESS!"

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: I'm intersex

starstreak

Helenah, that is absolutely terrifying and horrific, im sorry that happened to you

Helenah

and it was a thrill to them

Helenah

like I was some sex toy

Helenah

starstreak: They said to me "You're a dirty slut, aren't you?"

Helenah

While I was doing sexual stuff

Helenah

and I would be like "Yes, daddy, I'm a real dirty slut"

starstreak

schestowitz[TR]

cops cannot distinguish between abusive spouse and sex prisoner

Helenah

And then they would get really like... er...

schestowitz[TR]

so they stay away

Helenah

aroused by it

Helenah

and push my head harder down onto their cock

Helenah

Mucus would come forward

Helenah

due to gagging

Helenah

choke a little on it

*Helenah huggles starstreak

schestowitz[TR]

anyway, I think we've gone a bit off topic

schestowitz[TR]

for a channel about tech

Helenah

Yeah

Helenah

Nobody seems to be talking tech though...

Helenah

hmm

Helenah

Anyone wanna talk about anyone?

Helenah

*anything

starstreak

i use arch btw

Helenah

Me too

Helenah

starstreak

Helenah

and devuan :3

starstreak

devuan on your servers right?

souseksi

starstreak joke is funny.

starstreak

souseksi, XD

starstreak

im gonna rent a server at the end of the month, probably use openbsd or freebsd

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starstreak

if i cant get cjdns to work on those then i might use almalinux

Helenah

Sorry, gf just woke up

Helenah

might be slow responding

schestowitz[TR]

Helenah: sorry if I could not help more

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Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: No help was needed but I liked you talking about er... the tactics they used cause nobody has ever mentioned the tactics to me before and yet that is almost what happened but I got a gf so they tried making her relationship a polyamorous one. Anyway I will stop talking about this now but I'm free to talk further in PM.

Aug 24 03:37

Helenah

starstreak: Yes, Devuan on my servers.

Aug 24 03:37

schestowitz[TR]

Helenah: thanks for the chat

Aug 24 03:37

schestowitz[TR]

we tested techrights/tuxmachines on devuan

schestowitz[TR]

but are now using alpine

Helenah

No problem. :3

schestowitz[TR]

I tried devuan on my main laptop

Helenah

Oh nice :D

schestowitz[TR]

but it lacked reaktek wifi support

schestowitz[TR]

*realtek

schestowitz[TR]

seems like a WELL-KNOWN issue

Helenah

Yes it is

schestowitz[TR]

realtek = bad for Linux

Helenah

Realtek and GNU/Linux don't mix very well.

starstreak

schestowitz[TR], have you considered using alpine linux as a desktop?

Helenah

Atheros mixes better, a LOT better.

schestowitz[TR]

I don'r want 20 meter ethernet cables crawling through here

schestowitz[TR]

we already have one (for the IP Phone)

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: My place in the city I er...

souseksi

Can I ask what does TR in schestowitz[TR] stand for?

Helenah

installed ethernet faceplates

schestowitz[TR]

starstreak: yes

schestowitz[TR]

but I think I would miss some software

Helenah

So I simply plugged my ethernet cables into the wall. :D

starstreak

ahhh

Helenah

cat6

schestowitz[TR]

2 nights ago I struggled with 'find'

schestowitz[TR]

as alpine had the busybox version of it

Helenah

Solid from socket to switch and stranded from computers to sockets

Helenah

Solid is good quality but stranded doesn't break easily.

schestowitz[TR]

I managed to avoid ethernet until late 2013

Helenah

So moving cables stranded and still cables solid

starstreak

I would switch to BSD but I would miss Brave, Discord and Element

schestowitz[TR]

when rianne and I lived together I wanted to take the machine to other rooms

schestowitz[TR]

so wifi was left on

schestowitz[TR]

otherwise I'd turn it on for guests

schestowitz[TR]

then turn it back off

starstreak

i wanted to put BSD on my raspi zero w but it doesnt have a wifi driver :(

Helenah

starstreak: I created a guest hotspot

Helenah

Which er...

Helenah

Basically

Helenah

Gave them an IP address on a subnet but the IP addresses couldn't see each other

Helenah

The isolated subnet could not see the LAN subnet and the isolated IPs could not see each other.

starstreak

oh nice, sounds secure

Helenah

So it was literally a gateway to the internet via wifi and nothing more.

Helenah

starstreak: Secure is how I work

Helenah

Secure, reliable, resource efficient

Helenah

starstreak: That wasn't all though...

Helenah

It had a ticket system

Helenah

er..

Helenah

ticket wrong word

Helenah

Basically

Helenah

I'd generate a pass

Helenah

and it would give them like an hours usage or something

Helenah

They would enter the pass they got into the captive portal

Helenah

It was like...

Helenah

the pass is randomly generated, never used again

starstreak

thats cool :D

Helenah

Two people can have two different passes

Aug 24 03:45

Helenah

One might have one hour the other two hours

Aug 24 03:45

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Guess how I had to dial 999?

Helenah

9999

Helenah

4 9s and not 3

schestowitz[TR]

where?

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: At my house

schestowitz[TR]

Helenah

PBX system

Helenah

9 = dial out

schestowitz[TR]

maybe tampered with

Helenah

Each number unless local to the LAN had to start with 9

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: tampered?

Helenah

It's my system

schestowitz[TR]

ah, ok

Helenah

It had an ISDN modem

schestowitz[TR]

1990s?

Helenah

The modem was used to make and receive calls via the telephone line, schestowitz[TR]

Helenah

Actually I had 8 as a dial out code too

Helenah

9 = PSTN

Helenah

8 = GSM

schestowitz[TR]

I almost forgot how those worked

starstreak

Helenah, did you ever use BBSes?

Helenah

*PTSN

schestowitz[TR]

I moved to LAN in 2000

Helenah

starstreak: Now I got a screenshot for you! :D

Helenah

starstreak: The echo command, the prompt, the username, the hostname, the escape characters, I coded it all! https://i.imgur.com/hibBkyd.jpg

Aug 24 03:49

Helenah

Custom SSH implementation

Aug 24 03:49

Helenah

Basically the custom implementation has no way to the host OS shell

Helenah

It's simply hard coded into the program

Helenah

I coded a shell...

Helenah

a user and groups management system

starstreak

sweet

Helenah

a echo command

Helenah

a date command

Helenah

a who command

Helenah

Screenshot before echo was POSIX compliant https://i.imgur.com/HpFFX4R.jpg

Aug 24 03:51

Helenah

Oh and I coded the file and directory system

Aug 24 03:51

Helenah

I need to dig this code out now...

Aug 24 03:51

schestowitz[TR]

systemd-echod

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: No init system

schestowitz[TR]

lol. systemd-LSD

Helenah

It's simply a SSH-based TCP/IP based BBS

Helenah

that I hadn't gotten around to coding er...

Helenah

more useful stuff for

Helenah

but it has erm... what's it

Helenah

a wall command

Helenah

1min

starstreak

i still connect to a BBS to play legend of the red dragon

Aug 24 03:53

Helenah

starstreak: https://i.imgur.com/iCqEhCs.jpg

Aug 24 03:53

schestowitz[TR]

I missed most of the bbs era

schestowitz[TR]

friends with bbs would burn me CDs with the rars from bbs

schestowitz[TR]

or arj etc.

starstreak

CDs? lol

starstreak

i had floppies

schestowitz[TR]

those rars were 1.4mb in size

schestowitz[TR]

but later we got better ways to pass files around

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Helenah

I found the motd file, starstreak

Helenah

https://termbin.com/1ia8

starstreak

i had win95 on floppy disks

starstreak

i didnt get a cdrom drive until around 2000

Helenah

Wasn't that like 25 floppies or something?

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starstreak

yeah

Helenah

You could merged em together, stick them on a disc :D

Helenah

I did that myself :D

starstreak

my 386 didnt have an optical drive

Helenah

<===== 28 years old

Helenah

but I was a lucky kid

starstreak

i didnt get a 486 until around 2000

starstreak

im 37

Helenah

I had a computer at 4

Helenah

Lemme find what I had

DaemonFC

I got a computer at 5. The Commodore.

starstreak

i started my transition at 34 and psychologist approved surgery, proof that you dont have to be young to transition

DaemonFC

The C64 was not a bad system for the time.

DaemonFC

They kept making them into the early 90s.

starstreak

my first computer was a 16Mhz 386

DaemonFC

So, my first computer was not a PC.

Helenah

You don't have to be young for most things you're told you have to be young for...

starstreak

it came with 4mb ram

Helenah

Such as university

Helenah

This man

Helenah

he started uni for the first time...

Helenah

at 80 years old

starstreak

i did paralegal school (college) a few years ago

Helenah

Why? He said it gave him something to learn and do.

DaemonFC

You couldn't even do anything UNIX-like on such a system.

starstreak

yeah i love learning

starstreak

i'd love to go to university to become a lawyer

DaemonFC

Tanenbaum was mocked for restricting Minix in the 90s to what was available on the 80286.

Aug 24 03:59

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Helenah

Found it! My first computer! https://i.imgur.com/Nt47QcZ.png

starstreak

i had the same monitor

Helenah

Helenah

nice

Helenah

I hated CRT though

Helenah

I have sensory processing disorder

Helenah

they knocked me sick...

starstreak

i didnt mind

Helenah

and gave me migraines

Helenah

I'd puke everywhere...

DaemonFC

Mr. GULAG is busy amusing himself with Microsoft's PC UNIX.

DaemonFC

"Xenix"

Helenah

same for CRT TVs

Helenah

CRT tubes made me extremely ill

Helenah

And so do lights

starstreak

i used that monitor with windows 3.11, trumpet winsock, mIRC and ICQ

Helenah

but CRTs were different...

Helenah

there was something about how they felt...

Helenah

I could feel them "emitting" something

Helenah

at my body

Helenah

and it made me very ill...

starstreak

i still have my six digit icq number

Helenah

So I didn't spend much time in front of such tubes

DaemonFC

I don't think ICQ is still around.

starstreak

thats a shame

starstreak

crt monitors are so classic

DaemonFC

You can use it with a different server, but there's only a few users on that server.

DaemonFC

Like AIM and MSN.

Helenah

The refresh rate is unhealthy though.

Helenah

And I can see it

Helenah

Then again...

starstreak

oh wow

Helenah

When can I not see lights flicker?

Helenah

They all flicker...

starstreak

is that your autistic super power?

Helenah

Yes

DaemonFC

I mostly used AOL Instant Messenger during the "Messenger" days, but I was also on MSN and Yahoo.

Helenah

I hear electricity too

starstreak

i thought i had good hearing

starstreak

i do technically

Helenah

Me and my gf was out walking...

DaemonFC

Yahoo Messenger ended up being like "Grindr by mistake" for a while.

starstreak

im autistic too

Helenah

I said "I smell onions"

Helenah

She was like "I can't, where?"

Helenah

I said "Down there"

DaemonFC

They had user chatrooms with no moderation and all sorts of horrible things went on in there.

Helenah

We walked...

Helenah

20 minutes later...

DaemonFC

But there was an Indiana_M4M room

Helenah

there the onion was, walked right to it

Helenah

and then I said "I told you"

Helenah

She was like "Wow"

starstreak

lol wow

DaemonFC

And like, it didn't take long for thousands of gay men in Indiana to find it.

Helenah

DaemonFC: Told you I'm not crazy... I'm just different.

starstreak

thats impressive

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Helenah

So yeah, that's me

starstreak

i have super hearing

Helenah

Yeah me too

Helenah

It's good and a curse

Helenah

at the same time :D

DaemonFC

I still keep in touch with some people I met in Indiana_M4M on Yahoo.

starstreak

even got my hearing tested by the military and they were quite impressed by it

DaemonFC

Most of them are on Facebook.

Helenah

I'd had colour vision tests too

starstreak

they put me into a sound proof room and i could hear my heart beating

Helenah

come back perfect

DaemonFC

ICQ was never really popular in the US.

Helenah

but my eyes aren't good

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Helenah

my colour vision is super

Helenah

well 10%

Helenah

100%

Helenah

but my eyes?

Helenah

LOL

Helenah

I got VS (Visual Snow)

starstreak

i have above average sight too

starstreak

i also have probability field manipulation

This https://assets.medpagetoday.net/media/images/84xxx/84531.jpg

Helenah

Helenah

On the right is my vision

https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Probability_Manipulation

starstreak

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Helenah

On the left is normal vision

starstreak

oh weird

starstreak

fuzzy vision?

Helenah

My neurology is screwed starstreak

Helenah

It has pixels in it

Helenah

and er...

Helenah

grains

Aug 24 04:09

Helenah

They look like that of a untuned TV

Aug 24 04:09

Helenah

Or partially tuned should I say

Aug 24 04:09

Helenah

But I'm good at graphics design! :D

starstreak

im really good at video editing in imovie but i haven't found anything on linux thats as easy to use

starstreak

imovie is fantastic

Helenah

And music production

https://soundcloud.com/helenab-6/helena-bolan-moonscapes-original

Helenah

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starstreak

it has a nice retro sound to it

Aug 24 04:11

Helenah

Yes, it's synthwave :D

Aug 24 04:11

Helenah

80s genre of electronic music

Aug 24 04:11

starstreak

i love synthwave

Helenah

Gary Numan, Human League, artists like that

starstreak

vapourwave is nice too

Helenah

Helenah

Yes

starstreak

vapourwave is more 90s right?

Helenah

Yeah it seems to sound it

starstreak

one of my all time favourite CDs is the Tron Legacy soundtrack by Daft Punk

Aug 24 04:13

Helenah

Aug 24 04:13

Helenah

The drums in my soundtrack are erm...

DaemonFC

What really hurts you is deciding to show mercy to someone.

Helenah

Roland TR-808

DaemonFC

I'll leave what that means up to the imagination.

starstreak

Did you ever listen to .MOD files?

Helenah

DaemonFC: Why should that hurt?

Aug 24 04:15

DaemonFC

Because few people will show mercy to you or be thankful and stop trying to drag you down while you're stopped to help them.

Aug 24 04:15

Helenah

hmm

Aug 24 04:15

Helenah

But surely "being a good example" matters too, no?

Aug 24 04:16

Helenah

If nobody showed mercy then nobody will ever show mercy.

Aug 24 04:16

Helenah

There is always a kickstarter

Aug 24 04:16

Helenah

and then there are the people that follow who support it

Helenah

It's how "gain in popularity" works

Helenah

First something is made...

Helenah

Then people start supporting it

Helenah

then more people jump onto it

Helenah

If people decided to go backwards and become barbarians then everyone will be the same way.

Helenah

You've got to be the difference, the better example.

Helenah

The one who wants change

starstreak

Helenah, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=32399

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Helenah

Oh that!

Helenah

Yeah I like that! :D

Helenah

That and er... milkytracker :3

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Helenah

I like listening to them and maybe messing around with them but my music production lies with LMMS.

starstreak

when I was too poor to play MP3 files (because of my 16Mhz), i'd listen to midi and mod files

Helenah

Helenah

Helenah

Yeah

techrights-ipfs-bot

Helenah

and now people take MP3 for granted :D

Helenah

History repeats this way all the time...

starstreak

the soundblaster awe32 was SOOOO good at playing midi files, it had ram on it for the midi tables

Helenah

First something isn't easy to get

Helenah

before long even a baby can get it

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Helenah

next thing it's taken for granted...

Helenah

Oh midi tables :D

Helenah

I remember that card.

starstreak

midi files need a good sound card to really get the whole experience

Aug 24 04:21

Helenah

Yeah

Aug 24 04:21

starstreak

Windows 2000/XP came with a good midi tables emulator

Aug 24 04:21

Helenah

brb

Helenah

need to pee

Helenah

My bum hurts... :D

Helenah

Sat down too long, can't get up! lol I'm gonna have a stretch I think, brb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjTYUxDyjI8

starstreak

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starstreak

Tom Green - The bum bum song

*Helenah looks

Aug 24 04:24

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Aug 24 04:24

Helenah

That stretch helped :D

Aug 24 04:24

Helenah

Does anyone ever feel like a hypochondriac?

Aug 24 04:25

Helenah

Or should I say...

Aug 24 04:25

Helenah

Like... they could be accused of it?

Aug 24 04:25

Helenah

Nice music :D

Aug 24 04:26

starstreak

Aug 24 04:27

starstreak

tom green is the best

Aug 24 04:27

Helenah

Aug 24 04:28

Helenah

I hate the list of conditions I have...

Aug 24 04:29

starstreak

I got ASD, ADHD, Social Anxiety, Gender Dysphoria

Aug 24 04:29

Helenah

It's the amount

schestowitz[TR]

i've had that tom green track on my frive for 20+ years

schestowitz[TR]

*drive

starstreak

schestowitz[TR]

he even did a show with monica lewinski

starstreak

im glad you like it too schestowitz[TR]

Helenah

ASD (selective mutism, social communication disorder, sensory processing disorder, hyperlexia, dyscalculia, opposition defiant disorder), ADHD, VS (Visual Snow), light sensitivity to the point of wearing super dark tinted glasses, intersex, cancer, astma as a child, placental deficiency inside the womb

Helenah

See?

Helenah

See why I get scared of being accused of being a hypochondriac?

Helenah

Yet I'm not the one adding to that list...

Helenah

It's complication after complication after complication... it gets bigger as I get older...

Helenah

cancer at 16, ASD diagnosis at 14

Helenah

See?

Helenah

Well actually the cancer part was 2 misdiagnosis and one possibly correct one...

Helenah

soft tissue unclsssified myxoid sarcoma

Aug 24 04:34

Helenah

left 6th palsy is another thing I had, that cleared up with a debulking and a 12th right palsy which is still there.

Aug 24 04:34

Helenah

I had that PTSD but it cleared up and that stockholm syndrome which seems to have at least gone back into its cave.

Aug 24 04:35

Helenah

I'm infertile

starstreak

I got my ASD diagnosis a couple years ago

Helenah

Oh nice

starstreak

and im 37

Helenah

Yeah that's great cause now at least er...

Helenah

At least you are validated :)

starstreak

yes exactly :)

Helenah

and things will be clearer to you :D

Helenah

But yeah, you should've had that younger really but there you go...

starstreak

autism spectrum disorder without intellectual disability, without communication disorder, requiring supports

Helenah

Doesn't always happen that way, especially in past times...

starstreak

i was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid

Helenah

Did you see the brackets I put on my ASD label? That will give you details of mine.

starstreak

yeah

Helenah

I was diagnosed with ADHD a lil younger than ASD

Helenah

the inattentive one

Helenah

I mask like fuck...

Helenah

1min

starstreak

I mask like fuck too

Aug 24 04:39

starstreak

thats what took so long for a dx

Aug 24 04:39

Helenah

starstreak: https://termbin.com/yy56

Aug 24 04:39

starstreak

oh wow

Aug 24 04:40

Helenah

Yeah

Aug 24 04:40

Helenah

My experience is women are expected to be socially sophisticated. :/

Aug 24 04:41

Helenah

That it's even harder to make friends with a girl than it is a boy as a kid...

Aug 24 04:41

Helenah

You could make friends with a boy just by rolling around in a bit of dirt...

Aug 24 04:41

Helenah

Then there's the expectations they get fired onto them because they're expected to be the one who mothers a child, who gives birth to the child, who bleeds...

Helenah

And it's fuckin' wrong because people should be raised equally, not based on sex...

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Helenah

I think other factors can cause masking too but I thinkthat's A factor if you know what I mean...

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Aug 24 04:43

starstreak

yeah i know

Aug 24 04:43

Helenah

You being transgender probably heightened your masking ability. Having to "pretend" you are a man/boy when you are actually and always have been a girl/woman.

Aug 24 04:44

starstreak

when i started to transition i just stopped the masking and my autism came out

Helenah

Hey though

Helenah

If at any time I trigger you, ANY TIME

Helenah

Please tell me because

starstreak

dont worry, you

Helenah

I'm not a nasty piece of work and will rectify.

starstreak

you're cool

Helenah

Thanks :)

starstreak

Helenah

So erm...

Helenah

You don't ask anymore?

Helenah

And you are 30 odd?

Helenah

DAMN

Helenah

I'm 28 and still do it... so like... what age did you stop masking?

starstreak

i don't have the energy to mask anymore

Helenah

Yesh it's exhausting :/

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Helenah

I cry at times to my gf...

Helenah

her mother is annoying me at the moment

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Helenah

I went from living in the city to being annoyed by neighbours at my door every two minutes to living here needing my door locked at all times because her mother helps herself to come here...

Helenah

without telling us

Helenah

and I can't do with unannounced visits.

Helenah

*deal

Helenah

I need to mentally gear up to them...

starstreak

i wouldn't be able to deal with that because of my social anxiety

Helenah

I need prior warning, give me 24 hours :D

starstreak

exactly

Helenah

I have selective mutism

Helenah

That's extremely difficult to mask

starstreak

me too

Helenah

It's apparently common in girls and those who are learning another language but anyone can have it. lol

starstreak

i can't speak much when its a stranger

Helenah

I can

Helenah

but it's like erm...

Helenah

How did I put this :D

Helenah

I'm forcing myself to do it, keeping straight to show no signs of struggle for like an hour and half before like I get tired

Aug 24 04:49

Helenah

and my head is racing "How do i escape the environment without looking rude?!" :D

Aug 24 04:49

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Aug 24 04:50

starstreak

i try to find ways to escape asap

Helenah

Yeah same

Helenah

It's just...

Helenah

I want to socialise... this is the thing... I want to do it! I want friends...

Helenah

But it's like an hour and half effort each time I meet...

starstreak

i have 47 friends and thats on facebook

starstreak

i socialize on the net

Helenah

I have 300 on there but don't use it.

Helenah

I hate Facebook

starstreak

me too

starstreak

i prefer to socialize on irc and discord

starstreak

i have a really good friend on element

Helenah

I prefer IRC :D

Helenah

element as in the web client for Matrix protocol?

starstreak

yes

Helenah

starstreak

e2e encryption

Helenah

My cancer doesn't help...

Helenah

with my Autism

Helenah

Yes, it's e2e

Helenah

It causes physical pain

Helenah

damn another condition...

Helenah

HERE GOES

Helenah

occipital neuralgia

Helenah

it's a pain disorder

Helenah

Told you...

Helenah

I got this huge list and I don't like it!!!

starstreak

occipital is the visual region in your brain

Helenah

It makes me feel like er... some scumbag who is claiming to have every condition under the sun...

starstreak

thats probably why CRT fucked you up

Helenah

when I'm not

Helenah

Well erm...

Helenah

the cancer is at the skull base

Helenah

Yes you are right in regards to brain region

Helenah

but the occipital nerves are long

Helenah

They are at the back of the skull, go around the back of the cranian, around the fore head and back of the yes

Aug 24 04:57

Helenah

So the pain starts at the skull base like an electrical jolt, a migraine, a headaache, it radiates up the nerve, around the head and behind the eyes

Aug 24 04:57

Helenah

*base of the skull

Aug 24 04:58

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Aug 24 04:59

starstreak

i can't imagine how much that must suck :(

Aug 24 05:02

Helenah

It sucks bad cause I've to take co-dydramol and naproxen for it

Helenah

Since I was 16

Helenah

It's growing now btw

Helenah

I don't care anymore I'm used to this...

Helenah

I'm just a fuck up and I got to accept that that is "Helenah"

Helenah

But beyond that I'm no fuck up :D

Helenah

I'm just me :3

Helenah

starstreak

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Aug 24 05:05

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Aug 24 05:05

Helenah

Damn I got to count these conditions now.... this is unbelievable...

Aug 24 05:05

techrights-news

"The main shortage is with gas, but the UK burns a lot of gas in turbines to generate electricity, so electricity prices are affected too." gemini://ur.gs/blog/off-grid-in-suburbia/

Aug 24 05:07

Helenah

damn okies

Aug 24 05:07

Helenah

So if there is a magic pill

Helenah

That makes all your diseases go away...

Helenah

I'd take in a heart beat :D

starstreak

its called LSD

starstreak

lol

Helenah

lol

heureka

i prefer a clear mind

Helenah

heureka: To be honest, me too

starstreak

i miss LSD

Helenah

Despite the weed smoking...

starstreak

i've had LSD once and it was such a good experience

heureka

i refrain from anything which impairs thinking

heureka

except, after 24hours of hacking, i take a nap of vodka

starstreak

heureka, you

Helenah

Well weed makes my selective mutism worse

starstreak

heureka, you're already crazy enough

Helenah

It can switch it on completely

Helenah

making it no longer selective...

starstreak

Helenah, same, and it makes me paranoid

Helenah

My gf hates it...

heureka

strangely, i've never had withdrawal symptoms from alcohol

techrights-news

"NVIDIA has released the latest update to their special Vulkan Beta Driver, for developers and users who want to test out the very-latest stuff." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/nvidia-vulkan-beta-driver-5154914-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

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Helenah

She'll be like "When you smoke that weed, you won't talk for days and you are just a mong"

Helenah

lol

techrights-news

"After being announced back in June, we now actually have a release date for the latest Hearts of Iron IV expansion from Paradox with By Blood Alone coming on September 27th" ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/hearts-of-iron-iv-by-blood-alone-set-to-release-on-september-27th/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

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"Creative Assembly and SEGA have announced the massive Total War: WARHAMMER III 2.0 patch which comes along with a Beta version of Immortal Empires." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/total-war-warhammer-iii-2-0-immortal-empires-linux-update-as-soon-as-possible/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

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Helenah

But at the same time she knows why :D

Helenah

She can call me a mong cause I know she isn't meaning it offensively :D

heureka

it's "only" coffee and cigarettes, and then, what i dislike with nicotine withdrawel is only this: tiredness, sleepyness

Helenah

I'm tired all the time heureka

Helenah

that I don't know when I'm tired

heureka

a coffee and cigarette, bam, i am awake... without it i barely get up

Helenah

It's 5am

*souseksi (~souseksi@z4erpfet58qwy.irc) has joined #techrights

Helenah

and I don't know if I'm tired because of drugs or cause I need sleep

Helenah

I don't know...

heureka

or both

starstreak

lol

Helenah

I'm probably like really er...

Helenah

sleep deprived for years many many years, since age 16 now

Helenah

Maybe I should go to bed but idk

Helenah

I'm confused, soo confused

starstreak

i wish LSD was legal, its like impossible to find and i don't feel safe ordering it from the darknet

Helenah

I used to take morphine

starstreak

i don't want to get arrested

Helenah

no joke...

Helenah

My pain used to be SOOO BAD

Helenah

I had to take strong stuff, morphine...

Helenah

...

starstreak

the guy in mr robot snorted morphine

Helenah

They tried everything weak, mid, a bit strong...

Helenah

Nothing worked

Helenah

but hey debulkings means I just take naproxen and er... co-dydramol now :D

Helenah

Now time to express how I felt on morphine, heureka and starstreak :3 https://soundcloud.com/helenab-6/lady-morphine-original

Aug 24 05:15

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Aug 24 05:15

Helenah

That's how I felt ^

Aug 24 05:15

starstreak

you're pretty :)

Aug 24 05:16

Helenah

Thankies :D

Aug 24 05:16

Helenah

It isn't the first time I've used sounds to describe my feelings.

Aug 24 05:16

Helenah

starstreak: I'm a mixture of er... both

Helenah

Not sure if you read that condition tooo...

Helenah

Helenah

in my list...

starstreak

which one

Helenah

Intersex (45,X/46,XY mosaicism)

starstreak

ohhh yeah

techrights-news

"ProtonUp-Qt is a simple and great way to manage the likes of GE-Proton (previously known as Proton GE), the Luxtorpeda compatibility tool for Native Linux game engines and more." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/protonup-qt-for-easy-ge-proton-installs-on-linux-and-steam-deck-v270-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

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starstreak

I always wondered what that was like

Aug 24 05:19

Helenah

What was?

techrights-ipfs-bot

Helenah

Intersex or the actual condition?

Helenah

I was lucky

*souseksi has quit (Quit: Leaving.)

starstreak

intersex

Helenah

When I was born, my mother was kept in the loop (luckily) about some surgical procedure they said they "had to do"

Helenah

it was a lie

Helenah

Anyway...

Helenah

when she was told exactly like... what was going on... and found out it isn't even life threatening and can wait she turned it down...

Helenah

arguing it should be my choice

Helenah

while most parents of intersex children fell for this shit...

Helenah

and end up growing up intersex advocates

heureka

what is intersex?

Helenah

Fighting for this stuff to not happen again

starstreak

you are lucky

Helenah

'What does intersex mean? Intersex is a general term used for a variety of situations in which a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't fit the boxes of “female” or “male.” Sometimes doctors do surgeries on intersex babies and children to make their bodies fit binary ideas of “male” or “female”.'

Helenah

Sex is fluid, heureka

Helenah

It isn't solid and binary like people think it is.

Helenah

Typically it is binary and you are one or the other

Helenah

but there are exceptions to this rule

Helenah

The biology that drives sex development is not clear cut

Helenah

It is not simple as 1 or 0

Helenah

a LOT MORE is going on behind the scenes.

Helenah

and it can go wrong at any point

Helenah

My cell structure is a mixture of cells containing a Y chromosome and cells not containing a Y chromosomes

Aug 24 05:24

Helenah

so my cells were sexually developing in different ways from each other

Aug 24 05:24

Helenah

which for me personally caused me to develop bits and pieces of both sexes.

Aug 24 05:24

Helenah

You could say some of my cells are genetically male and some of my cells are genetically female

Helenah

and they're all clumped together in a single entity (me)

heureka

sexual hormones?

Helenah

I don't take hormones.

heureka

all people got them.

Helenah

Yes I know

starstreak

i did the 23andme thing and it said i was male, they asked me to confirm and asked if i was trans

Helenah

Aug 24 05:26

Helenah

It would probably say the same for me because of the mixture of both male and female DNA hanging around in my mucus.

Aug 24 05:26

Helenah

The Y chromosome makes them put "Male" down cause like... er... that's how scientists classify this stuff that a Y chromosome makes a karyotypically male genome

techrights-news

"GOG are making a big splash with "The GOG Sale" which is live now until September 5th, 10 PM UTC. Time to pick up a bunch of DRM free goodies?" ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/gog-have-a-huge-sale-going-with-giveaways-flash-deals/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

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Helenah

I don't classify myself as transgender by the way

Helenah

Cause I was lucky

heureka

i don't know, i wouldn't give it too much thought

Helenah

heureka: I've had all my life to think about this stuff.

Helenah

I'm not thinking up anything new.

Helenah

just conversing.

heureka

Helenah: everyone has to live through puberty

Helenah

heureka: I've gone through puberty.

techrights-news

"Valve has confirmed that production of the Steam Deck has gone better than expected, and so even more (yes again) people will be seeing their emails to purchase one." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/steam-deck-production-better-than-expected-q4-emails-already-going-out/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam Deck production better than expected, Q4 emails already going out | GamingOnLinux

Helenah

My cup size is 38B because of that

Helenah

I do look boyish though, heureka

Helenah

It doesn't bother me that I look boyish

https://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/sensibilities/indiana.htm

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.glapn.org | The History of Sodomy Laws in the United States - Indiana

DaemonFC

"In 1807, the Indiana Territory adopted a comprehensive criminal code3 that included a sodomy law that eliminated the gender-specifics and reduced the penalty to a maximum of 1-5 years in prison, a fine of $100-$500, up to 500 lashes "well laid on, on his or her bare back" and a permanent loss of civil rights.4 The imprisonment sentence was the third-longest in the criminal code, and the 500 lashes for sodomy were the most that could be given

DaemonFC

for any crime. The new law was signed by Governor and future President William Henry Harrison.5"

DaemonFC

Very progressive.

DaemonFC

Only 5 years in prison and 500 lashes and a permanent loss of civil rights.

Helenah

Please may you pastebin your texts?

Helenah

It's just, it pushes everything into the scrollback.

techrights-news

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starstreak

im 36C

Aug 24 05:32

Helenah

I'm sweating a lot

Helenah

Can't cope

Helenah

my gf thinks I sweat excessively, she ain't lying

Helenah

It's annoying when I just wanna open the window and she's like "No, it's freezing"

starstreak

lol

Helenah

and I'm like "How can I be pouring sweat if it's freezing?" but then other people will agree with her... so I don't bloody know anymore...

Helenah

LOL

techrights-news

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Helenah

Always something wrong one way or another :D

Helenah

But there you go... :/

Helenah

Apparently it's 18C, starstreak

techrights-news

iophk: that is what russia/murdoch/billbc media are trying to bury https://news.err.ee/1608693049/sanna-marin-the-baltics-should-have-been-heeded-over-russia

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.err.ee | Sanna Marin: The Baltics should have been heeded over Russia | News | ERR

Helenah

Even at 13C I'm sweating

Helenah

She also pointed out that I won't wear winter clothes and that even in winter time I'll wear summer clothes. LOL :D

Helenah

Well cause it's fuckin hot!

Helenah

If it's hot then I'm gonna wear something appropriate for that, no?

Helenah

One thing you will notice with my selfies is I'm never in anything like sweaters and stuff.

Helenah

Never in a coat

Helenah

If it rains hard I'm like "Don't care if I got hardly anything on, I'm lovely the cool down on my body!"

Aug 24 05:38

DaemonFC

"In other words, in only one type of criminal case in Indiana was it permissible to prejudice the jury against the defendant. Acts of "normal" sexual intercourse, including rape, would be shielded from the jury’s knowledge."

Aug 24 05:38

DaemonFC

The Indiana Supreme Court declared "rape" to be "normal" sexual intercourse and you couldn't bring that up to taint a jury in a sexual deviancy case.

Aug 24 05:38

DaemonFC

Yeah, that sounds like Indiana.

techrights-news

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Helenah

Rape was probably a natural thing in past times that was normal but we live in the 21st century, even in the 20th century rape was considered wrong, we are not cave people rather we are a society, a civilisation.

techrights-news

The sportswashing of state terrorism https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/golf-and-saudi-arabia-a-filthy-cycle-of-sportswashing_partner/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump, golf and Saudi Arabia: A filthy cycle of "sportswashing" | Salon.com

Helenah

Or should I say the behaviour of forcing yourself onto someone else for sex to reproduce, it's classified as rape today but humans probably did all that back then

starstreak

it gets cold at night lately

Helenah

I mean I once saw a cat dive on a female cat LITERALLY DIVED

Helenah

It was like... if those two weren't cats but were human... lol

Helenah

One of em would be getting done for rape :D

Helenah

Honestly, I saw the look on the female cat's face, it was like "What's going on here? I'm pegged down!", it wasn't happy, I could see that cat was not happy!

starstreak

Helenah

And the male was like "Gotta do it as quick as possible! HUMP HUMP HUMP HUMP"

Helenah

see?

techrights-news

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reform or Recalibrate ISDS? - Lexology

Helenah

Why would humans not have done that? :D

Helenah

I bet they did...

schestowitz[TR]

the tribes frowned upon it

schestowitz[TR]

humkans live in groups

schestowitz[TR]

cats do too

schestowitz[TR]

some of themkm anyway

Helenah

Wait so...

Helenah

humans ALWAYS frown upon... forced sex?

Helenah

ALWAYS?!

schestowitz[TR]

the tribe would retaliate

heureka

Bonobos aren't felines

Helenah

And what about before homo sapiens, schestowitz[TR] ?

Helenah

homo erectus for example

Helenah

or earlier

schestowitz[TR]

outside my field of expertise to be honest, AND

schestowitz[TR]

if studied bya scholar

schestowitz[TR]

it would be taboo area

schestowitz[TR]

for academia

schestowitz[TR]

like if a scholar said, trape used to be OK

schestowitz[TR]

or race "science"

Helenah

So they would be censorshiped basically on merely saying what could be fact?

schestowitz[TR]

yes

techrights-news

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Helenah

Helenah

That's crazy...

schestowitz[TR]

that's where we are

Helenah

it's a harmless little thing said!!!

Helenah

What's wrong with people?!

schestowitz[TR]

there are manu factual things people cannot say anymore

schestowitz[TR]

or think twice

schestowitz[TR]

or word it cleverely

schestowitz[TR]

oor apologise upfront

schestowitz[TR]

btw

schestowitz[TR]

this is deliberate

schestowitz[TR]

intentional

schestowitz[TR]

culture creep

Helenah

Apparently forced sex regardless is classified as rape I just found out

schestowitz[TR]

it weaponises masses into mass control lobs

Helenah

even if it involves two cats or whatever...

Helenah

meaning that tom cat raped that female cat

Helenah

And I read it can be dangerous... o.O

schestowitz[TR]

and then you usually end up incapable of saying things that threaten certain powerful interests

Helenah

"It's actually quite dangerous for male cats to attempt rape, especially in the wild where they need to be fit to hunt in order to survive."

Helenah

And I read other things that female cats can't willingly have sex.

DaemonFC

The Indiana Supreme Court has had some unorthodox opinions.

schestowitz[TR]

it turnes coeity into enforcer agaoinst itself

schestowitz[TR]

*society

schestowitz[TR]

the collective accountability/responsibility way

DaemonFC

Your bedroom becomes "a public place" if a thief breaks into your home and witnesses you having sex.

DaemonFC

Therefore, sex in your bedroom becomes a public place, therefore illegal.

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: I once expressed support towards Edward Snowden while I was in college because if I remember that's when he ended up stuck in that embassy.

schestowitz[TR]

DaemonFC

Better make sure those curtains are closed and the door is locked.

schestowitz[TR]

embassy?

Helenah

Yeah

Helenah

Swedish embassy in the UK

schestowitz[TR]

haha

Helenah

He was stuck inside it for YEARS

schestowitz[TR]

no.

Helenah

So yeah anyway...

schestowitz[TR]

you mixed up many things

Helenah

Helenah

I expessed my support

Helenah

Next thing...

schestowitz[TR]

sweden = smear ampaign

schestowitz[TR]

uk = assanmge

Helenah

the teachers, the students, ALL GANGED ON ME

Helenah

in one go!

schestowitz[TR]

snowden was never in the uk afaika

Helenah

And I was like WTF

schestowitz[TR]

nad assange never in the us

schestowitz[TR]

he claims

schestowitz[TR]

ecuador is the embassy you think of

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]

edward snowden was stuck in an airport in mocow

schestowitz[TR]

after he had hidden in hong kong

Helenah

So they all was shouting at me saying I'm wrong for supporting the theft of classified documents.

Helenah

Really laid into me

Helenah

I felt like I'd done something seriously wrong! o.O

Helenah

I simply said a sentence...

schestowitz[TR]

assange stole nothiong

schestowitz[TR]

he published stuff sent to him

Helenah

I know

Helenah

Tell that to a brainwashed college... lol

schestowitz[TR]

he did a service to the whisleblower

Helenah

The WHOLE college... BRAIN WASHED

Helenah

class of 13 students, "LETS ALL HAVE A GO AT HELENA FOR WHAT SHE SAID", two teachers joined in...

techrights-news

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Helenah

Then the staffroom had a word with me

heureka

Assange made a mistake: wikileaks had NOT required a "VIP" such as him

Helenah

Then the damn college principle had a word with me

Helenah

Why did they do that to me?!

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Yes

Helenah

he did

techrights-news

"Lopez filed suit on Tuesday, claiming that Pandora streamed two of his comedy albums" ☛ https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318930/george-lopez-comedian-sues-pandora-siriusxm-lewis-black-spotify | Source: The Verge

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heureka

for example, "dark net" and similar, everyone knows it exists, doesn't require any prominence either, to find it

techrights-news

GulagTube ☛ https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-fires-back-in-content-id-lawsuit-haunted-by-fraud-allegations-220823/ | Source: Torrent Freak

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Helenah

I had a video recording

Helenah

Which the college

Helenah

locked me in a room

heureka

Assange wanted to be the big VIP poser;

Helenah

and forced me to de-publicise it from the internet...

Helenah

and then they said "And delete it from your student network drive too" and I was like "WTF you literally rummaged through EVERYTHING!"

Helenah

I never disclosed it being on there, they randomly and silently checked the drive...

Aug 24 05:54

Helenah

Said it was in "a log report" hold on a minute...

Aug 24 05:54

Helenah

a college with hundreds of students.. you can't possibly monitor them all, they were looking at me specifically...

Aug 24 05:54

Helenah

My gf says "The college had it in for you and wanted rid of you"

Aug 24 05:56

Helenah

Because they later on said they got another log report

Aug 24 05:56

techrights-news

"Here's a fast-paced tour of Android version highlights from the platform's birth to present" ☛ https://www.computerworld.com/article/3235946/android-versions-a-living-history-from-1-0-to-today.html | Source: Computer World

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Helenah

where I was putting executable files onto my network drive, executable files that do "malicious stuff to the college infrastructure" apparently... LOL

Helenah

That day... they got rid of me...

techrights-news

">SQLite only comes with these few core functions. A few JSON functions have recently become builtin too" ☛ https://datastation.multiprocess.io/blog/2022-08-21-sqlite-limited-builtin-functions.html | Source: Data Station

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Helenah

and they SHOUTED at me, as per usual, shout at Helenah automatically, don't find out if she is right or wrong first no, should at her, make her sensory processing disorder a nightmare for her...

techrights-news

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schestowitz[TR]

Helenah: sounds like abuse

Helenah

I was "hacking"

Helenah

But because they told me they wanted me to

Helenah

to help them secure their setup

schestowitz[TR]

they did to you what those 3 rapists had done

Helenah

I broke into their servers too, gained admin shell access

starstreak

lol i had sub7 on my network drive in high school

schestowitz[TR]

but without the physical contact

Helenah

it wasn't hard

Helenah

Stupid Windows

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▁▃▃▁▁▂▄▃▄▁▂▅▆▄▄▁▁▁▃▁▁▂▂▂▃▂▂▂▂▄▃▄▁▃▁ avg(k/sec) 9.25 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▄▁▁▂█▁█▆▆▁▁▇█▆██▁█▁▇▁▃▁▁▁▁▁▁▂█▁▁ avg(k/sec) 88.48▕ swarm size (avg): 102.85 ⟲

Helenah

how this be soo friggin EASY?!

techrights-news

"Federal Judge J. Philip Calabrese sided with Ogletree yesterday, determining that the university’s room scan did constitute an unreasonable search" ☛ https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318067/cleveland-state-university-online-proctoring-decision-room-scan | Source: The Verge

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Helenah

Systems are supposed to have a little security at the very least...

Helenah

So they go around patching the systems...

Helenah

Then I exploit more vulnerabilities

schestowitz[TR]

it's not designed to be securew

Helenah

I gained control over every client workstation in the college

schestowitz[TR]

it's design for control

schestowitz[TR]

for some to control others

schestowitz[TR]

not security

Helenah

And er... the college freaked out cause everyones cursor was moving

Helenah

and that was me

Helenah

AB Tutor Control

Helenah

used to monitor student systems, watch their screens, lock their screens, control the computer, etc, etc

techrights-news

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Helenah

I could make the library kiosks log into an admin shell by pulling the cable out during login process.

Helenah

It would fail and throw me into an admin shell.

Helenah

Another way I could do that was via a process kill on my OWN user!

Helenah

o.O

Helenah

They went around and patched it

techrights-news

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Helenah

But do I get the attention and thank you for it?

Helenah

Nope, I get a huge big fat GTFO

Helenah

Next time, this is getting done under a legal contract...

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Helenah

I will FORCE them to back up their infrastructure before I will even touch it and make sure no students and staff are working during the process

Helenah

Apparently the kiosk system was wrote in "Delphi", WTF!

Aug 24 06:03

Helenah

Delphi in 2010s?!

Helenah

o.O

Helenah

Eh?

starstreak

oh wow delphi in 2010s

starstreak

thats crazy

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: I was promised a pentesting apprenticeship in return.

Helenah

and I opted for that opportunity over the IT course I chose cause it was the only thing on the table...

Helenah

Windows Technician stuff, I'm a GNU/Linux fuckin user not a Windows user!

Helenah

I have been since 2005

starstreak

i ran gentoo back in 2003

Helenah

The day they kicked me out

Helenah

They said I'm "screwed for life"

starstreak

oh wait, 2004

DaemonFC

Heh, Indiana tried to pass a bill to put people with HIV/AIDS on a publicly available list (in 1984).

Helenah

and will never be able to go into education again.

Helenah

It was a crock of shit fed to me...

Helenah

This does not prevent you from going back into education.

DaemonFC

The same bill would have forced every hospital to test for HIV with all patients being admitted, and for people to undergo an HIV test before getting a marriage license.

Helenah

Why? Because I signed up for a mathematics course at another college

Helenah

who they apparently "Report student behaviour to"

Aug 24 06:07

Helenah

So if such reporting is true then why did they take me on?

Aug 24 06:07

Helenah

And why did they not mention it?

Aug 24 06:07

Helenah

Maybe they got sick of nannying me too, I didn't ask for it, they offered it me, because I have this cancer, they contacted the exam board to get me some allowances, what I received was I was permitted to walk out of the exam room whenever I wented if I felt I needed a break, I got 5 minutes each time I walked out.

Aug 24 06:08

DaemonFC

It's dangerous to "do" anything anymore.

Aug 24 06:08

DaemonFC

Once you visit a Web page or go somewhere, your phone or some scripts running in your Web browser put it on your "permanent record".

DaemonFC

Along with every Google search you've ever made.

Helenah

I didn't even need to ask to walk out, they said "Just silently walk out and come back in"

Helenah

permanent record?

Helenah

I doubt that...

Helenah

Doesn't sound possible...

Helenah

I could be anyone

Helenah

I could be Helena, Zoe, Ivee

Helenah

Yes my real names

Helenah

okies

Helenah

right

Helenah

yeah

DaemonFC

mjg59_, JavaShit is "secure".

DaemonFC

It's not even secure in the way he means it.

Helenah

I told someone about this in another channel, my 3 full names.

Helenah

brb

DaemonFC

That it is guaranteed not to hijack and escape your Web browser and do nasty things on your computer or to some other tab.

DaemonFC

It's not secure from an opsec point of view.

heureka

impossible to review, too much clutter, and "security" updates every few days

heureka

anyone ever git-diff those "security" updates?

DaemonFC

Just like his favorite firmware, UEFI.

Helenah

back

Helenah

You won't believe I could return soo quickly with what I did and I ain't saying.

Helenah

okies

DaemonFC

Running JavaShit at all opens you up to attacks targeting SPECTRE-like vulnerabilities.

DaemonFC

And GULAG's retpoline mitigations turned out to be inadequate as will anything else.

Helenah

Yeah cause it is executed client side but servers are feeding it data at the same time.

Helenah

Well not always

Helenah

but Javascripts tend to do too much these days

Helenah

stupid developers

Helenah

they do a load of reporting, etc.

DaemonFC

There we go. My blue Totoro shirt and my blue, black, and white camouflage pajama pants.

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Helenah

DaemonFC: Are you a boy or girl?

*DaemonFC puts on a beret and debates the finer points of overthrowing the government.

Helenah

o.o

DaemonFC

Male

Helenah

Aug 24 06:16

Helenah

clear cut male

Aug 24 06:16

Helenah

okies

Aug 24 06:16

Helenah

Government doesn't have to be evil but people think it's the only thing Government can be when in reality it's the people who run it.

Aug 24 06:17

Helenah

Which could change and get better or get worse or it might just you know fluctuate

DaemonFC

The government is evil.

DaemonFC

Pure evil.

Helenah

Like I've known times when Government was better and when it was worse

Helenah

it has fluctuated throughout my life

Helenah

It depends on the politician and party in power at the time and what they stand for

Helenah

also the cabinet too

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR] probably noticed that Bogus Johnson hasn't done a hell of a lot to help with their gas bill.

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: You got a sky high gas bill too?! o.O

Helenah

Mine went from...

Helenah

£50/month

Helenah

Helenah

£500/month

techrights-ipfs-bot

DaemonFC

Jesus Fuck!

Helenah

and I was like "How that all of a sudden?"

Helenah

I do NOT use gas!

Helenah

My stove is electric...

Helenah

My boiler is gas but rarely on...

Helenah

My shower is electric but broken, I'm minimalist, I have wash downs and no bath...

DaemonFC

People in /r/ChicagoSuburbs are complaining about their gas bills going from like $30-40 in the summer to like $100.

Helenah

So I don't even use a lot of hot water...

Helenah

and they can justify adding an extortion like that to my bill?

Helenah

Charge some greedy cunt who uses fucktons of gas...

Helenah

Not the fuckin' minimalist who uses hardly any...

Helenah

Pfft, piss take... :/

DaemonFC

Yeah, Communist Edison charges a big fat fucking "customer fee" and another big fat fucking "standard meter fee".

DaemonFC

So if you keep the air conditioner off, half your bill is the standard fee just for being hooked up to the power grid.

Helenah

I don't have AC

Helenah

I got plenty of cash

Helenah

but still...

Helenah

I'm not some greedy fat cat!

DaemonFC

I keep it on during the day.

Helenah

Charge the ones who are greedy

DaemonFC

I turn it off at night and just use a bunch of fans.

Helenah

and suck fucktons of resource out the grid with no care...

DaemonFC

I have like three fans blowing on me while I sleep.

Helenah

They'r the ones needing the extortion because they're DESTROYING THE PLANET

heureka

charge what was consumed, that's sufficiently simple and avoids most moral hazards

Helenah

I should be given nice prices for being kind to mother earth.

heureka

anyone consumes 10x as much, charge 10x as much, simple.

DaemonFC

Amazon was getting rid of a bunch of box fans.

Helenah

It isn't that simple... cause that's like saying I'm charged for what I use...

Helenah

I'm not charged for what I use...

Helenah

I'm charged WAY more than that...

Helenah

Like I said, I rarely use any gas... RARELY

https://www.poz.com/article/large-proportion-men-monkeypox-living-hiv

Helenah

I used zero gas today, zero gas yesterday, day before that I used a tiny bit of gas, just a lil water in a sink worth.

Aug 24 06:24

Helenah

My usage habits have not changed...

Aug 24 06:24

Helenah

heureka: ^

Aug 24 06:24

Helenah

I am eco-environmentally friendly, this is my principles, I am not perfectly but I try my hardest.

Aug 24 06:25

heureka

^ with a gas bill of 500/month

Aug 24 06:26

Helenah

Yeah, the amount the company claims I should be paying...

Aug 24 06:26

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Large Proportion of Men with Monkeypox Are Living With HIV - POZ

DaemonFC

"Around 40% of people with monkeypox are living with HIV, but the proportion can be substantially higher in some areas, according to recent reports on the ongoing global outbreak."

Helenah

heureka: You don't believe me, do you? :/

Helenah

Each to their own, I say...

DaemonFC

Yeah, why stop there?

Helenah

What I hate is how they blame gay people...

Helenah

Come on...

Helenah

you have sex with someone who has a disease you gonna get it...

Helenah

It isn't about ones sexuality or their sex...

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR] pointed out it's a distraction.

DaemonFC

An otherwise healthy person who gets Monkeypox will just have a really bad month and then recover.

DaemonFC

And if you don't have sex with that person, you won't get it.

DaemonFC

But the media is panicking people so they won't think about unemployment, national debt, hyperinflation.

Helenah

Fuck employment, that ain't for me...

Helenah

self-employment is more for me.

Helenah

I have never been employed.

DaemonFC

I have not had a single structured day since 2007.

Helenah

DaemonFC: Welfare?

Aug 24 06:30

DaemonFC

Well, I'll give you a hint.

Aug 24 06:30

starstreak

this channel is a lot cleaner without daemon's trash

DaemonFC

Roy says they don't give a fuck about me. That's the truth.

DaemonFC

The feeling's mutual though.

Helenah

starstreak: lol

DaemonFC

Other than that I hate them and I want them all to die.

Helenah

Who the hell is Roy? o.O

DaemonFC

In a vague sense.

DaemonFC

<Helenah> Who the hell is Roy? o.O

DaemonFC

schestowitz

Helenah

Who?

heureka

Helenah: believe what?

Helenah

heureka: When I say I use hardly any gas.

DaemonFC

The UK is at the mercy of Vladimir V. Putin on the gas situation.

starstreak

Helenah, schestowitz[TR] is Roy

heureka

for 500Pound/month?

DaemonFC

Proving how stupid their government really is.

Helenah

DaemonFC: Right I'm paying an engineer to cap my gas mains in a bit.

Helenah

I don't want it...

Helenah

I do not want this gas...

Helenah

No...

Helenah

starstreak: Oh

heureka

how many kWh are those 500Pound? 5000kWh/month?

Helenah

heureka: The bill is in my gf's name... and I will be having a word with her about putting a cap on the gas mains.

Helenah

I wash my body at the sink twice a week

Helenah

That's how I wash

Helenah

It uses gas

Helenah

but it's a little bit of water in a sink

Helenah

As for my kitchen... well... yeah I wash pots but more often than not, I use cold water because things tend to not be that mucky and therefore dead easy to clean with a lil soap and a lil cold water...

Aug 24 06:36

Helenah

So I'm charged... £500/month just to have hot water to wash myself...

Aug 24 06:36

Helenah

It's stupid...

Aug 24 06:36

Helenah

I don't even pay that for a lil bit of water...

Helenah

I would rather wash with freezing water...

Helenah

I got plenty of money but I'm in protest...

Helenah

Because I don't believe this is fair...

Helenah

I don't believe this is the price of gas...

Helenah

But yeah capitalists don't like minimalists, charge the minimalist who cares about the environment the extortion so the rich elite can have gas for the price of pennies.

Aug 24 06:38

starstreak

1 vCore CPU, 1 GB RAM, 20 GB SSD, $3/month CAD <-- Good deal?

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Helenah

"We don't like minimalists, they won't support are gas and electricity which earns us cash so we'll make the person who uses pennies worth of gas per week pay £500/month"

Helenah

I AM GETTING REALLY ANGRY

Helenah

I might need to leave...

Helenah

and calm down, this isn't fair on your guys.

Helenah

My anger is justified, the gas board wants to rob me.... over-charge me gas...

Aug 24 06:40

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Aug 24 06:40

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Aug 24 06:45

Helenah

I've calmed down.

Aug 24 06:45

DaemonFC

That was fast.

Aug 24 06:49

Helenah

DaemonFC: A lot of people have to be told but me? I'm self-controlling.

Aug 24 06:52

Helenah

I jumped on it early...

Aug 24 06:52

Helenah

What I mean is...

Aug 24 06:53

Helenah

In IRC channels when people get firey, they most likely keep getting more firey and never come down and so some op has to intervene.

Aug 24 06:53

Helenah

I would rather take responsibility for my own actions and not be told beforehand.

Aug 24 06:53

Helenah

And saying this, we should probably go back onto tech maybe I'm not sure, is this a quasi-social channel?

Aug 24 06:54

starstreak

im shopping for vpses

Aug 24 06:55

starstreak

1 vCore CPU, 1 GB RAM, 20 GB SSD, $3/month CAD <-- Good deal?

Aug 24 06:55

heureka

starstreak: missing info, data-volume, such as GiB/month

Aug 24 06:56

starstreak

it doesnt say :(

Aug 24 06:57

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Aug 24 06:57

Helenah

Not all VPS providers do charge GiB/month

techrights-ipfs-bot

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Helenah

not from what I've seen

heureka

sure, $3/month is cheap; more info missing: DNS record included?

heureka

often that's some extra free.

heureka

then costs sum up quickly.

Helenah

Yeah $3/month is cheaper than Digital Ocean and Vultr.

Helenah

With them it would be $5/month

Helenah

I got an hypervisor.

Helenah

I offer services to my disadvantaged friends. <3

Helenah

and not just to myself

Helenah

You see?

Helenah

I help people, I give them things if I can.

starstreak

Helenah

They get access to a VPS panel and everything. :3

Helenah

So they never have to bother me for things :D

starstreak

have you ever used cjdns?

Helenah

Helenah

I heard of it though!

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Helenah

the name that is

https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns

starstreak

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - cjdelisle/cjdns: An encrypted IPv6 network using public-key cryptography for address allocation and a distributed hash table for routing.

Helenah

And for anyone who wants to look at my cute girly nails while I look at this github page. :3 https://i.imgur.com/6qxQIhd.jpg

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starstreak

nice!

Aug 24 07:03

starstreak

i need to do my nails again

Aug 24 07:03

starstreak

during the christmas season i did them red and green like christmas

Aug 24 07:03

Helenah

Interesting. :3

Helenah

starstreak: :D

Helenah

Helenah

:3 <3

Helenah

Get any pics?

Helenah

I hope you didn't mind me asking that. o.o

Aug 24 07:06

starstreak

of my christmas nails? nah

Aug 24 07:07

Helenah

Aug 24 07:08

Helenah

Aug 24 07:08

starstreak

i just dm'd you a photo

Aug 24 07:09

starstreak

glitter nails: https://i.imgur.com/oJWkThI.jpg

Aug 24 07:10

Helenah

Oh wow nice!

Aug 24 07:11

Helenah

I'm jealous of your big nails! o.o

Aug 24 07:11

Helenah

Loads of area for a coat! :D

Aug 24 07:11

Helenah

They look like the width of my gf's and my mothers :3

starstreak

im quite good at it

Helenah

My hands are smaller than my mothers and so are my erm...

Helenah

What was I saying now?

Helenah

Yeah my head yes are smaller than hers :D

Helenah

Like my gf says "Your mother has big hands like mine but yours are really tiny"

Helenah

Even my dad has big hands, bigger hands than my mother.

starstreak

ok so when i was suffering from psychosis, i thought the police were after me

starstreak

so i did this: https://i.imgur.com/ZeRI0Ay.jpg

starstreak

trying to appease them

starstreak

lol

Helenah

o.o

Helenah

Oh dear

Helenah

How are you now though?

starstreak

im good now

starstreak

im on anti psychotics

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mT3P0YSNonE

starstreak

my favourite is this clear glitter nail polish i can use on top of any colour

Aug 24 07:15

starstreak

im surprised i dont have a picture of christmas nails :(

Aug 24 07:15

Helenah

Phew! :3

Aug 24 07:16

DaemonFC

Aug 24 07:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Can the economy grow forever? - Invidious

DaemonFC

Infinite economic growth is possible, if you consider "bullshit" to add to the Gross Domestic Product.

Helenah

It will probably collapse at some point, DaemonFC

Helenah

Capitalism is not sustainable if it just hikes up prices and makes the poor suffer.

DaemonFC

Most valuation of the stock market is fake and has been for some time. They value "IP" in ways that are hard for people to fathom.

Helenah

They'll come a cut off point where the world will just stop buying because it can't and so capitalism would collapse as nobody will be able to afford to sustain it any longer.

DaemonFC

<Helenah> Capitalism is not sustainable if it just hikes up prices and makes the poor suffer.

DaemonFC

That's been going on in the United States constantly since 1913.

Helenah

hmm

Helenah

Yeah but...

DaemonFC

The Federal Reserve's dual mandate is maximum employment and price stability.

Helenah

this stuff doesn't happen over night, in a year, decade, whatever

Helenah

What I'm talking about takes a LONG LONG time

Aug 24 07:19

Helenah

starstreak: Aww, I wanted to see those!

Aug 24 07:19

DaemonFC

But inflation *is* price instability and we've had such bad inflation since the Federal Reserve was enacted, that a dollar is only worth a few cents.

Aug 24 07:19

techrights-ipfs-bot

DaemonFC

A meal costs a few dollars and keeps you alive.

starstreak

i even checked facebook

DaemonFC

A gallon of gas costs $3.95 and gets you to work and back that day.

DaemonFC

A movie ticket costs $20?

Helenah

A mean costs a few dollars?! o.O

Helenah

Dafuq?!

Helenah

How?!

starstreak

unfortunately i go in to facebook every week and delete all my posts, comments and reacts

DaemonFC

If you do things right, it can.

Helenah

DaemonFC: A bottle of milk costs me a few dollars...

DaemonFC

A gallon of milk costs about $3.

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starstreak

lol i still have him on ignore

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DaemonFC

I remember in 1990 or so.

DaemonFC

Supermarkets, actual supermarkets. Local ones.

DaemonFC

They'd sell you a gallon of milk for 89 cents maybe?

Helenah

Cheaper than I thought...

Helenah

1.71 USD for 4 pints of whole milk.

DaemonFC

A dozen eggs back then was like 59 cents.

DaemonFC

Now you can barely get two eggs for that.

Helenah

Well it's almost a few...

starstreak

i think its almost $5 CAD for 4L milk

starstreak

in Canada

Helenah

I can get 6 eggs for 1.18 USD, DaemonFC

DaemonFC

A loaf of name brand bread was about 79 cents. Now I'm paying over $3 for the same quality.

DaemonFC

Things have gotten pretty bad.

starstreak

$3.59 CAD for 12 eggs

DaemonFC

And mostly in the last two years.

DaemonFC

You add it all up, I'm paying $600 a month to feed two people.

Aug 24 07:25

DaemonFC

In 2020, I was only paying $400 and we were eating at least as well as this.

Aug 24 07:25

Helenah

Spagetti Bolognese: 4.95 USD

starstreak

these days I just use facebook for the memes

DaemonFC

I like using my slow cooker.

starstreak

there is this badass facebook group called "If you go far enough left you get your guns back"

https://i.imgur.com/oqFD4Nu.jpg

DaemonFC

You've got some meat, some vegetables. Whip up a sauce for it and it's dinner!

Aug 24 07:27

DaemonFC

People in the 70s were just....different than they are now. Hell, the 90s. I mean, you had food on the table and it was decent you were happy.

Aug 24 07:27

starstreak

DaemonFC

Now people are all like "This isn't vegan and organic and there's chemicals!" and it's like, "Dude, it's fucking Burger King. They have fries and burgers!".

DaemonFC

Nobody makes you go in there.

DaemonFC

Go home and juice something. We'll both be happy.

Helenah

Petrol: 7.620 USD per Gallon DaemonFC

Helenah

You Americans trash the planet...

DaemonFC

These are what the anti-smoking people are up to these days.

Helenah

Why are you selling fossil fuels soo cheap?!

DaemonFC

<Helenah> Why are you selling fossil fuels soo cheap?!

DaemonFC

Because we're not totally insane.

Helenah

Wait?

DaemonFC

And we like to have some standard of living.

Helenah

What?

Helenah

Yeah so do I but...

Helenah

Petrol is not a requirement for that.

DaemonFC

We haven't been brainwashed by people who fly around in private jets by themselves, like you people have.

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Helenah

Humans are greedy, selfish, they try justifying lots of travel as a need

Helenah

when it isn't

DaemonFC

Who say "climate change is so bad....but not bad enough to get rid of the jet!".

Helenah

DaemonFC: I think the jet should go too...

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Helenah

Just we were talking about petrol...

Helenah

which is bad also...

DaemonFC

You guys are literally panicking based on what Bill Gates says in the Billshit section of the BillBC.

Helenah

I don't know what he said...

DaemonFC

The guy eats hamburgers, tells you to eat locusts.

DaemonFC

The guy flies on private jets to private islands where he can fuck 12 year old girls in private.

Helenah

He fucks 12 year old girls?

Helenah

o.o

Helenah

Also...

DaemonFC

(Epstein)

DaemonFC

(Lolita Express)

Helenah

What does this guy have to do with bill gates?!

Helenah

You're dwindling lol

Helenah

You mention bill gates then...

Helenah

send me a link to some random man...

Helenah

name sorry

DaemonFC

Bill was trying to buy a Nobel Prize by way of his ties to Epstein.

Helenah

DaemonFC

Bill Gates controls a lot of what people read and listen to.

DaemonFC

He corrupts the media.

DaemonFC

I'll take climate change more seriously when rich people give up their jets.

DaemonFC

And move into an efficiency apartment.

Helenah

So...

DaemonFC

And turn the air conditioner to 86 degrees.

Helenah

You think two wrongs make a right?

Helenah

What's wrong with you?

Helenah

How can you go and not care about the environment because other people don't?

DaemonFC

It's propraganda.

Helenah

No...climate change is not propaganda... it's real...

starstreak

Helenah, hes insane

DaemonFC

I've seen your old weather maps.

Helenah

Part of it happens naturally

Helenah

but humans are accelerating it

Helenah

DaemonFC: I don't have any weather maps...

DaemonFC

The only thing that's different today is that they take the same temperatures and put angry fire engine red all over the UK.

Helenah

So I don't know what you are talking about...

DaemonFC

And tell you to lose your shit over the same temperatures from 20 years ago when there was a nice "sunny day" icon on the TV.

starstreak

Helenah, he likes to make up facts to support his opinions

Helenah

hmm

starstreak

I pointed out to him the other day that anti abortion is just white supremacy. Most abortions are by white people and they want to shut it down to increase the population without immigration.

Aug 24 07:35

starstreak

He tried saying black people get the most abortions and I proved him wrong with data

Aug 24 07:35

DaemonFC

In 2012 in Indiana there was a heat wave. I think it was 2012 anyway. The reservoir dried up that summer, there wasn't much rain. There was a string of 115-ish degree days.

DaemonFC

They're on the news going climate change! Climate change!!!!!! Soylent Green is made of PEEEEEEEOPLE!!!!!

starstreak

he ignored the data and posted a wall of text

DaemonFC

And then you look at the history of heat waves, and Indiana had one just as bad in the 1950s.

Helenah

Why do you keep going on about the media?!

Helenah

I've been alive for 28 years

Helenah

I can feel the summers and winters getting warmer

DaemonFC

Because the only reason people even know it's happening is because the media is screaming about it.

Helenah

I don't need a damn news reporter to tell me this when I can experience it...

DaemonFC

It's even dumber than the wall to wall COVID.

DaemonFC

That's nice. I've been alove for over 38 years.

Helenah

You think covid is fake?

DaemonFC

And it's about the same now as it ever was.

starstreak

he is a republican btw

DaemonFC

<Helenah> You think covid is fake?

Helenah

Ahah, you claim to have been alive for 38 years and yet you argue the climate has not changed at all?!

Helenah

DaemonFC: I've had it...

DaemonFC

No, my mom and my brother had it and neither one are in great shape.

Helenah

I haven't had a common cold or flu since I was a little child...

DaemonFC

She's 65 and he's fat.

DaemonFC

Really fat.

Helenah

my immune system is very good

Helenah

And then comes... this year

Helenah

and BAM I'm hit by something I've never felt before

Helenah

that has cold and flu like symptoms

Helenah

It's fuckin real!

DaemonFC

Ehh, it was like a flu she told me.

DaemonFC

With the pills it was like a mild case of the flu.

Helenah

I took nothing for it

Helenah

Was over it in only 2 days

DaemonFC

I think people just need to quit with the excess worry.

Helenah

I am not worrying dude...

Helenah

I am merely conversing

starstreak

lol you know what really grinds my gears?

DaemonFC

There's treatments for it. Some cause for alarm when there was nothing to do about it.

Helenah

And merely stating the fact that I had covid-19

Helenah

That isn't worry...

Helenah

That's just throwing fact onto the table...

Helenah

starstreak: What's that?

starstreak

DaemonFC can sit in this channel being racist, transphobic and spreading disinformation about covid and climate change but when I start talking about reptilians, Roy says I make the channel look bad

DaemonFC

When we were vaccinated, only about 4% of the people in this state were.

DaemonFC

I figured out how to jump the line and get vaccinated while they were still doing the old people.

Helenah

starstreak: Wow WTF

starstreak

yeah lol

Helenah

One rule for a man (DaemonFC for example) and another rule for a woman...

starstreak

*I* make the channel look bad compared to the shit daemonfc does every day

Helenah

I wonder which of my topics he'll fall against? :D

Helenah

I just seem to detect some misogyny.

starstreak

i wouldn't be surprised if daemonfc hates women too

DaemonFC

I don't hate women.

Helenah

But you hate trans women who are women?

Aug 24 07:43

DaemonFC

If I said, "I really hate that particular person!" and that person is a woman.... Would it be fair to say I hate "women"?

Aug 24 07:43

Helenah

DaemonFC: Did they go to a gender psychologist?

Helenah

gender psychiatrist even

Helenah

Cause like...

Helenah

Maybe if they just...

DaemonFC

What I said is I really don't like Keith. I said I think what he did to his wife and especially his two young girls was abhorrent and worthy of the most extreme contempt. That no psychiatrist agreed he was actually transgender, and that the only reason he got the surgery was because he went to Canada with money.

Helenah

tossed themselves throug treatments as fast as possible...

Helenah

with no thought what so ever...

starstreak

one day someone is going to sue Roy for the shit that DaemonFC says and he will wish he had an enforced CoC

Aug 24 07:45

Helenah

then that might have drove them crazy... but hey I don't know cause I don't know them...

Aug 24 07:45

DaemonFC

I also said he had a lot of nerve crashing a funeral that nobody invited him to, that my Aunt would have asked him not to be at could she have spoken (it was her funeral), and that I think he's a wretch for doing that.

Aug 24 07:45

Helenah

Funerals are public events dude..

Helenah

They're not by invite...

DaemonFC

No, they are private.

Helenah

Wow you lay the law down like my grandma!

Helenah

Not here they aren't...

Helenah

They're public events, anyone can go to any funeral...

DaemonFC

My cousins could have kicked him out and didn't. I guess that's their decision at that point.

DaemonFC

But they don't like him.

Helenah

Like my er...

Helenah

Helenah

who has schizophrenia

Helenah

she went crazy herself, you know?

Helenah

She turned to the church during a psychosis

starstreak

i feel bad for the trans woman who can't be part of her family anymore because shes trans (according to Daemon)

Helenah

and delusions and stuff

Helenah

and erm...

Helenah

She was like working for them lol

DaemonFC

<starstreak> i feel bad for the trans woman who can't be part of her family anymore because shes trans (according to Daemon)

Helenah

And she sat in every funeral

DaemonFC

He turned his back on his children.

Helenah

EVERY FUNERAL she sat in

Helenah

people she didn't know

DaemonFC

Now they don't want anything to do with him.

DaemonFC

At least if I did ever get a woman pregnant I'd stay around and help raise the kid even if it meant what I wanted to do was over.

DaemonFC

Unfortunately, a lot of people have no decency anymore.

DaemonFC

A lot of people love their children even if raising them is difficult, inconvenient, or annoying sometimes. And even if it's stressing them out and literally sucking their life out.

Aug 24 07:49

DaemonFC

But others just bolt and leave their ex-wife to do it alone.

Aug 24 07:50

DaemonFC

Why am I the only one who thinks Keith did something wrong here?

Aug 24 07:50

Helenah

So do you think someone wakes up one morning and thinks "Hey I'm gonna be a woman, go clothes shopping put a frock, some high heels and go being a diva in the streets"?

Aug 24 07:51

DaemonFC

The media has portrayed single-parent households too well. It

Aug 24 07:51

DaemonFC

*It's undesirable, socially.

Aug 24 07:51

DaemonFC

<Helenah> So do you think someone wakes up one morning and thinks "Hey I'm gonna be a woman, go clothes shopping put a frock, some high heels and go being a diva in the streets"?

Aug 24 07:52

DaemonFC

According to starstreak he would have known before he even married her, much less got her pregnant 8 years later.

Aug 24 07:52

Helenah

The reason I said that is because you seem to portray complicated matters that you do not understand as being simple in order to suit yourself.

Aug 24 07:53

Helenah

It is well known, I researched it...

Aug 24 07:53

DaemonFC

It was pretty simple.

Aug 24 07:53

Helenah

That trans women and trans men

Helenah

go through a LOT of life mistakes, and wrong paths before they come out...

DaemonFC

It was even simpler back in those days.

Helenah

Maybe if you actually did you research you would find the same things...

DaemonFC

I would have had a stroke if one of my parents did that.

Helenah

This involved mistakenly dating and marrying the wrong people...

Helenah

and even wrongly having kids too

Helenah

mistake also

starstreak

I came out at 34, I was seperated and could have had kids

DaemonFC

It was bad enough they got divorced like a couple of selfish jerks, but at least my dad didn't go pull that shit.

DaemonFC

I don't think I could've processed that too.

Helenah

But you would rather sit here and make it seem simple and black and white "Should've known better" attitude

Helenah

If I was to stick a coin into a jar each time someone says "They should've known better, it's dead simple" I would be rich right now.

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Helenah

I'd be able to fly you to LA in a private jet...

DaemonFC

Yeah, I knew I was gay. I didn't get married, wait 8 years, get someone pregnant, and then bolt on my family to go "Well, I'm gay now!".

Aug 24 07:56

DaemonFC

Kind of the same thing.

Aug 24 07:56

Helenah

People have made people live inside themselves, deep inside themselves

Helenah

and forced them to pretend to be someone they're not

Helenah

and then when such person makes all these life mistakes...

Helenah

people like you tell them "You should've known better than to have kids", blah blah blah

Helenah

You do not understand life...

Helenah

And you do not understand other peoples lives

Helenah

and you refuse to as well

Helenah

I've sent you links before now and it appeared like you just looked right past them...

DaemonFC

I also mentioned he's a tax cheat.

DaemonFC

Which blew up in his face because he can't collect Social Security.

Helenah

And what if them pretending to be a man has caused them to make mistakes in life?

Helenah

Like I kept saying

DaemonFC

He would have been able to draw it based on my Aunt's earnings record, but they weren't married 10 years.

DaemonFC

So he can never draw Social Security.

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Helenah

You can keep throwing the shit they have apparently done in this channel

DaemonFC

Because he divorced her a few months before 10 years and cheated the IRS.....

DaemonFC

He gets what he deserves.

Helenah

It's soo easy to say "They get what they deserve"

Helenah

with anyone

Helenah

Soo easy to say that

DaemonFC

He loses millions of dollars and can find someone to take care of him when he's too old to run that body shop anymore.

Helenah

WITHOUT even

Helenah

trying

Helenah

to put yourself

Helenah

in their shoes and seeing what is going on in their mind...

Helenah

Condemn first, understand later...

starstreak

its like arguing with a brick wall right?

Helenah

How backward...

DaemonFC

It's a bitter irony that someone who ran out on his girls is now reaping this harvest.

DaemonFC

He'll have to rely on the charity of others.

Helenah

starstreak: I'm wired on adrenaline right now... I need to reach a conclusion...

Helenah

07:00:46 DaemonFC | He'll have to rely on the charity of others.

Helenah

Yep and so do other people at times...

Helenah

Why do you think charity exists?

DaemonFC

He doesn't have any family left that cares.

Helenah

For people to donate and never take from it?

DaemonFC

If he'd paid his damned taxes or stayed and raised his family, he'd be cashign $2,500 monthly checks from Social Security now that he'll never get.

Aug 24 08:02

Helenah

DaemonFC: Did you know I let myself and my house go one time?

Aug 24 08:02

DaemonFC

He also destroyed his lungs with those fumes at his shop and can't get Medicare.

Helenah

maybe I'm a scumbag for not doing house chores for not taking care of my hygiene

Helenah

for supporting criminals due to Stockholm Syndrome

DaemonFC

You have to have work quarters for Medicare and he cheated the IRS.

Helenah

"Oh look Helenah is a scumbag she harboured criminals"

Helenah

NOTHING is this simple man!

Helenah

You want to know why?

DaemonFC

It's impossible for him to go back and correct his earnings record now.

Helenah

I lived in a rough area

Helenah

no support

Helenah

People putting on me, raping me, abusing me...

Helenah

I couldn't function

Helenah

How do I know your family didn't do the same thing with that person?

DaemonFC

The IRS never audited him and if he tries to fix it now, it'll bring years of deliberate failure to files to their attention.

Helenah

If they did then how do you expect them to function properly and do better?

DaemonFC

And he could be facing criminal charges.

Helenah

DaemonFC: What else do you want to argue about? :)

DaemonFC

What I'm getting at is he's not having a very good life.

Helenah

Cats? Dogs? Why the coffee table is slanted?

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DaemonFC

People who wrong others shouldn't expect a large safety net for themselves when they fall down.

Helenah

In your eyes, I probably shouldn't expect a safety net then.

Helenah

Cause I done wrong

Helenah

"harboured criminals"

Helenah

Right?!

Helenah

That's correct, right? It really is true!

Helenah

You agree?

DaemonFC

<Helenah> Cats? Dogs? Why the coffee table is slanted?

Aug 24 08:07

DaemonFC

Well, the coffee table was $20 at IKEA so....

Aug 24 08:07

Helenah

DaemonFC: So back onto me now :D

Aug 24 08:08

DaemonFC

My point was that I'm not a "transphobe", I simply don't like Keith.

Aug 24 08:08

Helenah

I'm a scumbag, aren't I?

Helenah

I harboured criminals

DaemonFC

I'm not sure what his psychiatrist would say today.

DaemonFC

<Helenah> I'm a scumbag, aren't I?

DaemonFC

I can't judge you. I don't know you.

Aug 24 08:10

Helenah

Correct answer. :)

Aug 24 08:10

DaemonFC

As a gay person I know what would have happened to me in my own home state had I been born a few decades or 100 years sooner.

Aug 24 08:10

DaemonFC

500 lashes, 5 years in prison, huge fine....or maybe death, or possibly just a psychiatric "hospital".....

Aug 24 08:11

DaemonFC

They never could decide.

Aug 24 08:11

DaemonFC

That's how people who believe in God and try to guess what God wants tend to act.

Aug 24 08:11

DaemonFC

"We have to be cruel, but maybe not kill the guy, okay maybe kill him.....No, wait.....It would be unfair to kill a crazy person.

Aug 24 08:12

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Aug 24 08:17

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Aug 24 08:17

Helenah

07:12 <DaemonFC> "We have to be cruel, but maybe not kill the guy, okay maybe kill him.....No, wait.....It would be unfair to kill a crazy person.

Helenah

You see...

Helenah

If you hadn't said lil things like this from when you first started talking about this person...

Helenah

And so therefore there wasn't anything EXTREMELY NASTY ever said...

techrights-ipfs-bot

Helenah

Like if you had initiated such discussion... without sounding hostile about this person...

Helenah

And having some like neutralness to your language...

Helenah

Then I would've most likely believed that there are no secrets being kept.

Helenah

Like maybe mistreatment to this person?

Helenah

You say in one sentence, you say maybe kill him to say maybe not to say it would be unfair to kill a crazy person

Aug 24 08:21

Helenah

but I noticed this a lot, you are in conflict with what you really want to say :)

Aug 24 08:21

Helenah

Deep down you probably want this person dead...

Aug 24 08:21

Helenah

but you are in conflict, a battle with what you really want and as a result are forming nonsensical sentences like that...

Aug 24 08:22

Helenah

Maybe you don't want... repercussions from your words... your sentences, what you want to happen to this person...

Aug 24 08:22

DaemonFC

No, I meant, that's how society goes back and forth.

Aug 24 08:23

DaemonFC

Through the laws.

Aug 24 08:23

DaemonFC

They would have just killed me at various points.

Aug 24 08:23

DaemonFC

Today transgender people seem to think they're being actively persecuted every time someone goes "Yeah sure whatever." and goes on about their day.

Helenah

Then I guess you've never heard of secret hide outs...

Helenah

If you think you would've simply be killed

Helenah

"simply"

Helenah

You've to be court in an act first...

DaemonFC

Yes, and that tends to happen when the police actively entrap you.

Helenah

In the UK, back in Victorian times, there was an LGBT community

Helenah

I ain't kididng

Helenah

it was there

Helenah

it was thriving

Helenah

it was living

Helenah

and it was keeping alive

Helenah

Why?

Helenah

Because they had secret bars

Helenah

where they could be themselves

DaemonFC

And when you say to the court that the entrapment was illegal, the judges go "HAHAHA NOBODY CARES FAGGOT! DEATH SENTENCE!" and bangs the gavel.

Helenah

where they could keep safe away from the prejudice society who would call the shots the moment they see how it would've been put "A man in a frock"

Helenah

But but...

DaemonFC

I mean, that's how courts worked then, you know.

DaemonFC

Literally.

Helenah

Did you know that the UK police knew transgender well back then?

Helenah

Why? Because they had information about everybody

Helenah

because it was soo difficult being transgender back then

Helenah

They HAD to know everyone

Helenah

They HAD to know who to trust and who to not trust

DaemonFC

Dressing up like a woman was the stuff of comedy.

Helenah

and so they KNEW everyone and the police relied on them for information so really even if it was frown upon and against the law back then, the police were not killing them.

DaemonFC

Monty Python there, the guy in MASH that was trying to get a discharge for being crazy over here.

Helenah

DaemonFC: I'm not talking about drag queens...

Helenah

I'm talking about trans wmen

Helenah

*women

DaemonFC

You figure they could use men dressing like women for comedic effect today?

DaemonFC

They won't.

Helenah

Actually no drag queens are still a thing...

Helenah

so why wouldn't they be used in comedy?

DaemonFC

I was with a drag queen for a while you know. Why the hell do I care?

DaemonFC

He didn't deny that he was a man.

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Helenah

07:28 <DaemonFC> I was with a drag queen for a while you know. Why the hell do I care?

Helenah

07:28 <DaemonFC> He didn't deny that he was a man.

Helenah

Whose denying they're a man?

Helenah

A drag queen is a man but whose denying being a man?

DaemonFC

Trans women.

DaemonFC

It's like denying a force of nature.

Helenah

07:29:28 DaemonFC | Trans women.

DaemonFC

Nature made me a man. I can't factually change this.

DaemonFC

I don't really want to, but the debate is pointless.

Helenah

No, nature made you karyotypically male and phenotypically male.

DaemonFC

Sometime while I was in the womb, maybe late 1983 or so, that happened, and I'm a man now.

Helenah

It didn't make you a man or a woman.

Helenah

sex is fluid

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Yeah you're a man in the same way that a trans woman is a woman

mjg59_

Easy enough

Helenah

Hence why I have an intersex condition

Helenah

cause sex is damn fluid

DaemonFC

Remember when the left made fun of Trump's administration over alternative facts?

DaemonFC

I can say I'm a woman but it would just be alternative facts if I said that.

Helenah

DaemonFC: My body's cell structure consists of a mixture of genetically male and genetically female cells.

Helenah

So am I both?

Helenah

In your eyes?

Helenah

Cause in my eyes I'm a woman.

mjg59_

Helenah: Ryan's an unrepentant transphobe who's also incapable of actually engaging in logical discussion

Helenah

mjg59_: Is DaemonFC called Ryan?

mjg59_

Helenah: Yeah

Helenah

I already know they're a transphobe. :D

Helenah

But hey

Helenah

you confirmed it! :D

mjg59_

Helenah: Roy keeps reposting his stuff for some reason despite the transphobia and the racism

Helenah

hmm

Helenah

If he says a great thing...

Helenah

I may repost myself...

DaemonFC

I'm not afraid of trans people.

Helenah

but I certainly won't repost any crap...

mjg59_

DaemonFC: People with photophobia aren't afraid of light

DaemonFC

Like, I'll go up and shake your hand and say "Hey, how are you getting along?".

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Doesn't mean they're not photophobic

*Helenah holds up the Photophobia card

Helenah

But hey DaemonFC has a point here...

Helenah

I've thought about this myself...

Helenah

phobe = fear

Helenah

but is defined as hatred when it comes to transphobia, homophobia, etc

DaemonFC

I don't have a fear of trans people I just don't think the way they do I suppose.

DaemonFC

Actual bigotry would be something like calling for them to be killed or socially excluded.

mjg59_

That's the original etymology, but "intolerance" is a better fit for many uses of it in compound terms

DaemonFC

Or you know, stuff like that.

DaemonFC

I tolerate them.

Helenah

DaemonFC: Calling a trans woman a man is bigotry in the eyes of trans people.

mjg59_

Not just trans people

Helenah

Yeh, I was speaking definitively.

Helenah

But yeah, other people too

DaemonFC

I am never saying "they/them". Ever.

DaemonFC

It reads wrong.

Helenah

They and them is gender-neutral

DaemonFC

It's a corruption of the language.

Helenah

defined that by the English language itself

Helenah

No, it's not corruption, it's accurate.

Helenah

They're terms which can be applied to groups, to living things which you don't know the gender of

Helenah

or...

Helenah

they are non-binary

Helenah

or whatever

mjg59_

Singular they has plenty of precedence

DaemonFC

In general, if it makes people feel comfortable if I say "he" or "she", then sure. I'll do that.

Helenah

mjg59_: Yep

Helenah

mjg59_ said it nicer than me.

DaemonFC

Not for Keith. I just don't like him at all. Not one bit.

DaemonFC

It still says Male and Keith on his driver's license.

DaemonFC

He's never bothered to get that changed, so it's not even legally correct.

Aug 24 08:39

Helenah

DaemonFC: So lets say you played a game of "Guess the sex of that slug" and you get a tray of 5 slugs, how would you define their sex?

Aug 24 08:39

DaemonFC

You don't even need a court order in Indiana to change your gender to "X" to get it stricken from your license.

Aug 24 08:39

DaemonFC

So that's even easier than going to court and having the court order you legally a woman.

Aug 24 08:40

DaemonFC

<Helenah> DaemonFC: So lets say you played a game of "Guess the sex of that slug" and you get a tray of 5 slugs, how would you define their sex?

Aug 24 08:40

DaemonFC

Slugs are hermaphroditic.

Helenah

Correct!

Helenah

It was a test.

Helenah

So there you go, sex it's fluid

Helenah

slugs? They're part of the animalia kingdom

DaemonFC

In certain animals.

Helenah

most cratures are of one of the binary sexes

Helenah

some are like you say hermaphrodites

Helenah

but animals evolved around each other

Helenah

mammals are very similar sexually

DaemonFC

<mjg59_> Singular they has plenty of precedence

DaemonFC

Seems like the last few years maybe.

mjg59_

Rather more than that

Helenah

DaemonFC: It's always been that way.

DaemonFC

I don't recall anyone using this forced error before that.

Helenah

Just people wasn't open minded when it came to applying the term.

Helenah

*as

mjg59_

Is the use of singular "you" a corruption of English?

Aug 24 08:43

Helenah

DaemonFC: That's because the world was more prejudice

Aug 24 08:43

Helenah

Lets say you live in Victorian times

Aug 24 08:43

Helenah

You are looking afar

Helenah

you see a person

Helenah

You can't identify them, too far but you erm...

DaemonFC

mjg59_, You might be talking about me, or you could point to a room of people and collectively say "You know what I'm getting at here, right?".

DaemonFC

But "they" is plural.

Helenah

You wanna talk about them to your friend who is stood next to you

Helenah

Would you apply He, She, Their or Them?

DaemonFC

The recent hijacking of "they" is just a liberal corruption of English.

DaemonFC

And it's very recent.

Helenah

er... 3 terms, not 4.

DaemonFC

"They" think "they" can gaslight us into thinking it can be used in the singular without a conformance problem with the way that English has traditionally been spoken.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: "you" was traditionally exclusively plural

DaemonFC

And if you let "them" do that, then "they" will be right.

DaemonFC

But I won't.

Helenah

DaemonFC: Sorry what?

DaemonFC

It's Orwellian.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Hence "thee"

mjg59_

DaemonFC: And yet, here we are, because languages change

DaemonFC

The goal here is to burn everything so that people won't remember, and then start anew.

DaemonFC

Where they'll have an easier time with their moral corruptions and depravities.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: And "they" being used in the singular form has centuries of usage

DaemonFC

I'm not pissed off of transgender people.

DaemonFC

I'm pissed off about the attempt to change the language.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: But rather than actually discuss that, you'll just continue making assertions that have no relation to what people are saying to you

DaemonFC

Changes are almost never for the best.

DaemonFC

They're almost always political in nature, or some sort of dumbing down.

Aug 24 08:48

mjg59_

Aug 24 08:48

DaemonFC

You can't have people thinking too much!

Aug 24 08:48

DaemonFC

I'm not going to change my use of language just because some idiot thinks it would be swell if they can shoehorn a new pronoun for an indeterminate gender into it.

Helenah

"Political in nature" doesn't equate to good or bad, it depends on what exactly it is that's political in nature.

Helenah

As for people having the freedom to be themselves (trans women being women for example), that is political yes but it's a step forward and is good.

Helenah

It supports quality.

DaemonFC

Yes, that was a joke btw.

Aug 24 08:50

Helenah

Ah, my SCD gets the better of me at times.

Aug 24 08:50

DaemonFC

Microsoft actually was one of the first to make things really clunky.

Aug 24 08:50

Helenah

So let me get this straight.

DaemonFC

Instead of assuming someone would be male, they said "when the user" does something with "her" computer.

DaemonFC

So it's not at all wrong to assume that a person will be female for some reason.

Helenah

You don't hate trans people but at the same time you see that... a trans women for example is actually a man while a trans man is actually a woman because nature dictates that depending on karyotype?

mjg59_

Helenah: It's really not worth it, I'm afraid

DaemonFC

They could have avoided stepping in it entirely by just leaving it at "when the user".

mjg59_

Helenah: Any time he's challenged on anything he just starts changing the subject rather than engaging

Helenah

mjg59_: Ah sure.

DaemonFC

Most people see "gender pronouns" listed in an email and just do what I do.

mjg59_

It's mildly entertaining to just keep demonstrating his unwillingness to engage, but it doesn't actually change anything

Helenah

If that's how you see it then I'm both a man and a woman in your eyes.

DaemonFC

Roll my eyes and reply to them if I absolutely must.

Helenah

Anyway...

Helenah

I er.. gonna go do house chores in a bit...

DaemonFC

You should be able to make an educated guess by name.

DaemonFC

If their parents weren't a couple of goddamned hippies smoking a crack pipe, they probably named them something that's a dead giveaway as to their gender.

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Helenah

WOOO HE LEFT! :D

Helenah

mjg59_: I got to know him now. :)

mjg59_

He'll be back

Aug 24 08:56

Helenah

mjg59_: Yeah, I was finding it entertaining and getting an adrenaline trip.

Helenah

lol

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Helenah

Anyway, that aside, I met some really nice people here! :D

mjg59_

Helenah: I disagree with pretty much everyone here, but a lot of them have well thought through opinions and I learn from them

Aug 24 09:02

mjg59_

Not Ryan, though

Aug 24 09:02

Helenah

Aug 24 09:04

Helenah

Everyone is disagreeable to some extent or another, mjg59_.

Aug 24 09:04

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Haha hang around here and you'll find out just how much people disagree with me

Aug 24 09:04

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mjg59_: I forgot how all this started but I think it happened when I spoke of some medical stuff, this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45,X/46,XY_mosaicism

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Helenah: I've got a PhD in genetics, so actually got taught about this (that was a long time ago now, though)

Aug 24 09:10

Helenah

mjg59_: I'm a case.

Aug 24 09:11

Helenah

And nice :)

Aug 24 09:11

Helenah

There is a lot wrong with me, but that's one of them.

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"Twitter blasted Zatko, who worked at the company from November 2020 to January 2022" ☛ https://abcnews.go.com/Business/whistleblower-alleges-twitter-deceived-regulators-security-spam-twitter/story?id=88748290 | Source: ABC

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"As his profile grew, Zatko took on roles with Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and Google’s Advanced Technologies and Projects research group." ☛ https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318554/cybersecurity-pros-defend-twitter-whistleblower-peiter-mudge-zatko | Source: The Verge

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"This morning, The Washington Post and CNN published dual reports into alarming new safety and security allegations raised against Twitter by Peiter “Mudge” Zatko" ☛ https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318794/twitter-mudge-zatko-cybersecurity-whistleblower-markey-durbin-blumenthal | Source: The Verge

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"The whistleblower, who has agreed to be publicly identified, is Peiter "Mudge" Zatko, who was previously the company's head of security, reporting directly to the CEO." ☛ https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/23/tech/twitter-whistleblower-peiter-zatko-security/index.html | Source: CNN

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"On Tuesday, The Washington Post reported that Twitter’s former head of security, Peiter Zatko, had filed a whistleblower complaint with federal regulators" ☛ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/23/twitter-musk-trial-whistleblower/ | Source: The Washington Post

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"Zatko alleged that he warned colleagues about out-of-date and vulnerable software on the company's servers, adding that executives withheld important data" ☛ https://www.axios.com/2022/08/23/whistleblower-complaint-twitter-regulators | Source: Axios

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"But according to Zatko’s complaint, after Dorsey stepped down as CEO in November 2021, and Zatko informed members of Twitter’s board that protections for sensitive user data " ☛ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/23/peiter-mudge-zatko-twitter-whistleblower/ | Source: The Washington Post

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"The complaint from former head of security Peiter Zatko, a widely admired hacker known as “Mudge,” depicts Twitter as a chaotic and rudderless company beset by infighting" ☛ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2022/twitter-whistleblower-sec-spam/ | Source: The Washington Post

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Misinformation ☛ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2022/08/23/will-southlake-approve-using-book-by-grandson-of-slave-in-school-bearing-his-name/ | Source: Dallas News

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"2022 has been one of the deadliest ever for journalists in Mexico, which is now considered the most dangerous country for reporters outside a war zone" ☛ https://www.voanews.com/a/journalist-killed-in-mexico-15th-to-die-so-far-this-year-/6712790.html | Source: VOA News

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"Such is evidently the case with the Gannett newspaper chain, which owns more than 250 newspapers across the country including USA Today" ☛ https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/to-worse-for-news-biz-gannett-chain-turns-to-union-busting-layoffs-stock-buybacks_partner/ | Source: Salon

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"The virtual rapper has amassed more than 10 million followers on its TikTok profile" ☛ https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3613048-capitol-records-walks-away-from-ai-rapper-project-offers-deepest-apologies-to-the-black-community/ | Source: The Hill

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"So it may shock many that the concept of “quiet quitting” is actually derived from a movement that began sweeping through China last year known as “lying flat” or tang ping." ☛ https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/surprising-origin-of-quiet-quitting-trend-sweeping-through-aussie-offices/news-story/8a2e2db3c8e3b9f783235a58967fd6b6 | Source: News AU

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"Anyone in journalism who wants to regain that trust would do well to read American Dispatches and internalize the lessons that Robert Parry offers, writes Nat Parry." ☛ https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/23/the-instinctive-distrust-of-big-media/ | Source: Scheerpost

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Twitter Whistleblower ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/23/twitters-former-security-boss-drops-stunning-whistleblower-report/ | Source: Techdirt

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"National Meteorological Service have been fired after – according to the government – they made the wrong weather forecast and the fireworks planned for Statehood Day" ☛ https://telex.hu/english/2022/08/23/hungarys-top-weather-experts-fired-for-wrong-forecast-on-national-holiday | Source: Telex (Hungary)

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"We’d like to thank Trigkey for sending the Speed S3 Ryzen 5 3350H mini PC for review." Once again, fake 'reviews' of 'gifts'.... and THOSE DEVICES ARE NOT LINUX BUT WINDOWS!!! https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/24/trigkey-speed-s3-mini-pc-review-part-1-unboxing-and-teardown/

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"31 per cent do not trust the Internet" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/over-3-in-10-people-wish-to-delete-their-internet-footprint-amid-privacy-thefts/93729792 it's essential nowadays TO NOT TRUST TECH IN GENERAL! Also, it's essential to lower living expenses.

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Helenah

matteobin: Welcome! :)

Aug 24 10:36

matteobin

Hello! Nice to meet you.

Aug 24 10:36

schestowitz[TR]

many new faces

Aug 24 10:36

Helenah

You too! :D I gotta get on with chores :3

schestowitz[TR]

good luck

schestowitz[TR]

when MinceR uses :3 it means cat

matteobin

Chores? I'm not a native English speaker.

schestowitz[TR]

house duties/work

schestowitz[TR]

toil

matteobin

Ah, good luck! :D

schestowitz[TR]

our fridge is getting empty, so I too have chores

schestowitz[TR]

wife's bday today

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Get Into Jail Card ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/get-into-jail-card/ | Source: The Nation

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Get Into Jail Card | The Nation

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Rural Hospital ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/society/rmch-gallup-rural-hospital/ | Source: The Nation

Aug 24 10:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | How to Kill a Rural Hospital | The Nation

Aug 24 10:40

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"There’s talk of Biden’s age, but not of Trump’s. So how’s The Donald’s youthfulness conveyed? When he begins to bully or he whines, He sounds as if he’s still in second grade" ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/youthfulness/ Biden, Sanders, HRC. Trump... all very old

Aug 24 10:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Youthfulness | The Nation

Aug 24 10:41

MinceR

24 110820 < schestowitz[TR]> wtf?

Aug 24 10:42

MinceR

just the usual middle asian stuff

Aug 24 10:42

schestowitz[TR]

:3 ?

Aug 24 10:42

schestowitz[TR]

aah, I get it

schestowitz[TR]

orban and the fireworks

schestowitz[TR]

telex had 3 articles about it yesterday

schestowitz[TR]

next: execute people for witchcraft

schestowitz[TR]

for not wishing well upon the nation

Aug 24 10:44

MinceR

they're also rebuilding "socialism"

MinceR

we have 3 mobile operators

MinceR

one of them is a collaborant

techrights-news

"Salman Tepsurkaev, the moderator of a Telegram channel that monitors human rights abuses in Chechnya, was murdered by local security forces almost two years ago." ☛ https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/24/human-rights-activists-confirm-murder-by-chechen-security-forces-of-telegram-channel-moderator-abducted-in-september-2020 | Source: Meduza

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MinceR

the second is 25% owned by the state

MinceR

and they're trying to buy 100% of the third

schestowitz[TR]

telecom owned and run by the state would be similar to communism

Aug 24 10:46

schestowitz[TR]

transport might be ok

Aug 24 10:46

schestowitz[TR]

if that keeps prices down

Aug 24 10:47

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"The Putin administration is bracing itself for an anticipated rise in popular discontent in Russia, as prices continue to go up and factories shut down, informed sources told Meduza." ☛ https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/08/23/people-won-t-like-what-s-happening-at-home | Source: Meduza

Aug 24 10:47

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"A group of people, poorly compensated, are arranged in a call center environment as contract workers for a platform you’ve definitely heard of" ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/hanna-bervoets-remove-this-post/ | Source: The Nation

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | What's Life Like for the Content Moderator? | The Nation

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Censorship: "Krasnodar magazine Sobaka.ru has pulled its cover story and interview with Manizha, the singer and former Eurovision contestant, over her anti-war statements" ☛ https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/23/magazine-pulls-cover-story-with-eurovision-star-manizha-after-singer-s-anti-war-statements-land-her-on-banned-artists-list | Source: Meduza

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matteobin

In Italy telecom are not run by the state anymore. However is it better to have companies that do not care about people and infrastructure? I think a state should own a bit of the telecom infrastructure, not all but a bit, at least for strategic purposes.

Aug 24 10:49

schestowitz[TR]

herew it owns some of the infra

Aug 24 10:49

schestowitz[TR]

but not the operator

Aug 24 10:49

schestowitz[TR]

it used to be a BT monopoly

schestowitz[TR]

when BT was like forefront of the new "tech"

schestowitz[TR]

not it's openreach

schestowitz[TR]

same for water pipes and electric/gas pipes/grid

schestowitz[TR]

shared infra makes it more efficient

schestowitz[TR]

but the companies you deal with are competing

MinceR

24 114651 < schestowitz[TR]> transport might be ok

Aug 24 10:51

MinceR

hungarian public transport is practically unusable

Aug 24 10:52

MinceR

the state is trying to strangle budapest to punish its inhabitants for voting for the democrats

Aug 24 10:52

MinceR

so BKK/BKV has no money to maintain or develop their service

Aug 24 10:52

MinceR

it was already abysmal before 2010 though

Aug 24 10:53

MinceR

MAV has no excuse

Aug 24 10:53

MinceR

then again, pretty much everything is fucked up in hungary

Aug 24 10:54

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Streaming Tops Traditional Cable TV Viewership For First Time Ever ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/23/streaming-tops-traditional-cable-tv-viewership-for-first-time-ever/ | Source: Techdirt

Aug 24 10:55

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Aug 24 10:59

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Extremists and business supremacists ☛ https://truthout.org/articles/mysterious-right-wing-donor-drops-1-6-billion-gift-on-federalist-society-boss/ | Source: TruthOut

Aug 24 10:59

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Aug 24 10:59

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Profits ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/23/disaster-capitalism-its-worst-profits-grain-giants-spark-global-criticism | Source: Common Dreams

Aug 24 11:02

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Aug 24 11:02

matteobin

My dream would be if the state used a free or open decentralised infrustructre. For instance in Italy we could have at least one XMPP server per region. That would be rad!

Aug 24 11:04

matteobin

The same could be said for email, VoIP and IRC.

Aug 24 11:05

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Aug 24 11:06

Helenah

Hi again matteobin :3

DaemonFC

Pause between naps. Anywho, I think mjg59_ underscores my point for me pretty well.

Helenah

Yes, chores are duties around the house. :3

Helenah

and er... other responsibilities like erm...

Helenah

getting in the shopping, etc. :D

DaemonFC

Taking in people who have no respect for human rights and your Constitution and letting them buy citizenship is a bad idea.

DaemonFC

You get a lot of those people, it doesn't help whatever's been going on in your country already.

techrights-news

"The recent wave of Starbucks workers seeking to join a union shares many characteristics of a mass movement." ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/23/inside-countrywide-campaign-unionize-every-starbucks-america | Source: Common Dreams

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Inside the Countrywide Campaign to Unionize Every Starbucks in America | Saurav Sarkar

Helenah

What about cat rights? o.O

matteobin

In this case you would have an open standard that individuals could operate by their own, if the state becomes evil, and you would incentivise companies to use good comunication protocols.

Helenah

I want to be able to take my cat with me everywhere :3 <3

DaemonFC

Cats would actually have a lot of rights if a landmark bill in the Illinois legislature right now passes.

Helenah

I can't reproduce and he's like offspring to me. <3

techuser

if cats had rights, owning them would have been illegal

techuser

because owning is slavery

Helenah

techuser: I take good care of him and he follows me everywhere at his own choice. :3 <3

matteobin

I like cats, but I'm more of a dogs person. All animals should have more rights. We should respect nature way more.

Helenah

He has a flap so he can let himself in and out. <3

Helenah

He came to the shop with me <3

Helenah

and then to the pharmacy with me <3

DaemonFC

The bill actually changes animal cruelty law to say you've committed a crime if your pet cat becomes sick and you don't do anything to help it or euthanize it if it's in pain and terminally ill.

Helenah

And then back home with me <3

Helenah

And I talk to him like he's a human baby <3

Helenah

Awwww

DaemonFC

No, cats aren't human and they should not have "human rights". PETA is ridiculous. Their founder is a real weirdo.

Aug 24 11:11

matteobin

Sorry if I write like a mix between a chocolate poem and a discount asian wiseman.

Aug 24 11:11

DaemonFC

But animals are also not ours to abuse.

Helenah

matteobin: It doesn't bother me, I've been around non-natives for a LONG time. :3

DaemonFC

If people don't take cats as a pet, the cats will have it a lot worse.

DaemonFC

Just having to live outside cuts the cat's life expectancy down to 3-4 years.

Helenah

They might not be able to survive due to being bred down by humans stuck in places all around the world.

DaemonFC

It has to deal with disease, cars, predators, not having enough food.

DaemonFC

It may drink out of a dirty mud puddle.

DaemonFC

I mean, my cats have it a lot better than that.

Helenah

DaemonFC: Cats drink out of that anyway

matteobin

You're right, but so what? Animal rights should serve to prevent abuse from humans not animals.

Helenah

They're food and drink regulators

DaemonFC

<Helenah> They might not be able to survive due to being bred down by humans stuck in places all around the world.

DaemonFC

My cats are sterilized.

Helenah

They won't eat and drink all in one go, if the cat can't get in and access to its bowl, it will drink from other sources.

DaemonFC

They are indoor cats.

Helenah

DaemonFC

Nature says cats have as many litters of kittens as possible so that at least a few survive.

Helenah

Mine is both

DaemonFC

That's pretty bad.

Helenah

I had to deal with that myself...

Helenah

when I lived in the city...

Helenah

a cat came to me

Helenah

with a litter of kittens

DaemonFC

Nature kills more than 9 out of 10 of the kittens and their survival is based on producing a lot of kittens.

Helenah

then another litter of kittens

Helenah

so I had 9 cats...

DaemonFC

It's depressing.

Helenah

all blood related

Helenah

LOL

Helenah

It was raining, it took her HOURS and HOURS to carry them back one by one

Helenah

I'd stand at front door waiting for her

Helenah

By her last one

Helenah

I didn't wanna intervene but I did

Helenah

because the mother collapsed due to exhaustion

DaemonFC

Nature sucks, doesn't it?

Helenah

plus she was piss wet through due to the rain

Helenah

Well she wasn't have done normally

Helenah

They were heavy on her head

DaemonFC

That's Ingrid Newkirk's opinion of what should happen to your cat.

Helenah

DaemonFC: What is?

DaemonFC

A short sad life of losing most of its kittens and then getting run over by a car.

DaemonFC

So you won't have it as a pet cat.

matteobin

I wouldn't say that Nature sucks. It's cruel in a fair way.

Helenah

What?

Helenah

matteobin: Agreed

DaemonFC

I really despise Ingrid Newkirk.

Helenah

Yeah but...

Helenah

I was talking

Helenah

you said "That's such and such opinion of what to do with your cats"

Helenah

and then went on about em being ran over and shit...

Helenah

Are you mad dude?

Helenah

I'm not a fuckin' animal abuser...

Helenah

WTF is wrong with you man?

Helenah

Jesus

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Aug 24 11:20

matteobin

Helenah, techuser told me you are into GNU/Linux. What distro do you use?

Helenah

matteobin: Arch and Devuan :3

DaemonFC

Ingrid Newkirk's will says she wants to be cut up and turned into "nuggets".

DaemonFC

Sounds pretty crazy to me.

Helenah

Who will eat her? o.o

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DaemonFC

Soylent Newkirk

Helenah

Or is it for her cats

Helenah

for when she's dead?

DaemonFC

Very big in California.

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➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): DeskPi Super6C mini-ITX board takes up to 6x Raspberry Pi CM4 modules ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/DeskPi_Super6C_mini_ITX_board_takes_up_to_6x_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_m.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/DeskPi_Super6C_mini_ITX_board_takes_up_to_6x_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_m.gmi ∎

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techuser

matteobin: btw Luis64_gamer from IKTeam (I may try to bring him here) said he did use GNU/Linux at some point already, and these days he is doing things with WSL

Aug 24 11:24

techrights-news

Kansas ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/the-first-ever-kansas-city-keyboard-meetup-is-this-weekend/ | Source: Hackaday

Aug 24 11:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The First-Ever Kansas City Keyboard Meetup Is This Weekend | Hackaday

Aug 24 11:24

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ICBM ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/ibms-early-pc-attracts-time-travelers/ | Source: Hackaday

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM’s Early PC Attracts Time Travelers | Hackaday

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — Android Leftovers

Helenah

Thing is, it isn't a Windows Subsystem for Linux, it's a Linux Subsystem for Windows...

Helenah

But...

Helenah

Microsoft for you, they like software to be called Windows Foo or Microsoft Foo but then go way to far...

schestowitz[TR]

yeah

schestowitz[TR]

it didn't have Linux

schestowitz[TR]

until WSL2

schestowitz[TR]

or LSW2

schestowitz[TR]

it was GNU SL

Helenah

They stupid named it stupidly though.

schestowitz[TR]

or WSG

Helenah

Just for the sake of marketing

schestowitz[TR]

WQindows subsystem for GNU

Helenah

they named a subsystem wrongly

matteobin

I use Debian and I want to try NetBSD. I don't like WSL. I try to minimiza my Windows usage.

schestowitz[TR]

like cygwin

matteobin

What do you use Arch and what Devuan for?

schestowitz[TR]

Windows uses you

schestowitz[TR]

the operator is Microsoft

schestowitz[TR]

and the user

schestowitz[TR]

the person in front of the PC just pays for the PC

schestowitz[TR]

and that's it

Helenah

Yeah the operator isn't just the user but also microsnot like you said

Aug 24 11:28

Helenah

nannying you

Aug 24 11:28

Helenah

"Windows went wrong, lets troubleshoot"

Aug 24 11:28

Helenah

but not like go into technical details about the problem

DaemonFC

Then there's Matthew J. GULAG's recent development.

Helenah

Assume you are a baby who needs their hand holding, diaper changing and a babies bottle...

Helenah

and never give you the technical details that would allow a nerd to fix the problem in 2 seconds...

DaemonFC

Like Captain Renault.

https://noagenda.fandom.com/wiki/I%27m_shocked,_shocked_to_find_that_gambling_is_going_on_in_here!

DaemonFC

"I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in here!"

Aug 24 11:30

DaemonFC

Aug 24 11:31

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Aug 24 11:31

DaemonFC

mjg59_ in a nutshell

Aug 24 11:31

Helenah

DaemonFC: Why do you keep mentioning mjg59_ like that?

Aug 24 11:32

Helenah

Also the quoting of text which is in the URLs you post is annoying, it's excessive quoting.

Aug 24 11:33

Helenah

It like... seriously I'm being a piece of shit when I say this, it really does push conversation into the scrollback.

Aug 24 11:33

Helenah

*I'm not being

Aug 24 11:33

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR] complaining about Windows controlling the user.

Aug 24 11:35

DaemonFC

It can't prevent you from leaving, except with things like "Secure Boot".

Aug 24 11:35

Helenah

brb doing chores

Aug 24 11:35

DaemonFC

So they get someone to pretend to be an "open source developer" to legitimize their takeover of your computer.

Aug 24 11:36

techuser

matteobin: I know one BSD user here (nickname matey), but he disappeared

Aug 24 11:36

techuser

and idk if he is going to be back anytime soon

Aug 24 11:37

DaemonFC

I'm considering trying out GhostBSD.

Aug 24 11:37

DaemonFC

It seems that finally someone cares what kind of fresh Hell installing a BSD operating system is.

Aug 24 11:37

matteobin

I don't have time to try NetBSD now, but when I finish my mail server, I will.

Aug 24 11:38

matteobin

*BSDs seem the only thing my 2005 PowerPC Mac mini can run.

techrights-news

">Workers Are Organizing Independently" ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/workers-are-organizing-independently-why-dont-our-politicians-seem-to-care/ | Source: The Nation

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Workers Are Organizing Independently. Why Don’t Our Politicians Seem to Care? | The Nation

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"Cancel It All" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/23/cancel-it-all-say-progressives-biden-favors-10000-means-tested-student-debt-relief | Source: Common Dreams

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Cancel It All,' Say Progressives as Biden Favors $10,000 in Means-Tested Student Debt Relief

DaemonFC

"Progressives" whine that people with $600,000 incomes don't get their loans canceled out.

Aug 24 11:43

DaemonFC

Figures.

Aug 24 11:43

Helenah

Why the fuck does every food item need to come in packaging?!

Helenah

I can't get rid of my trash now... :/

Helenah

My cardboard bin is full

Helenah

My domestic waste bin is full

Helenah

my glass, plastic and metal bin is full..

Helenah

DAMN

DaemonFC

"Americans are wasteful" says the person who has unnecessary packaging for the food.

DaemonFC

Damn you! Your sandwich and apple slices are causing CLIMATE CHANGE!

techrights-news

Education ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/23/four-decades-attacking-teachers-destroying-public-education | Source: Common Dreams

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Four Decades of Attacking Teachers Is Destroying Public Education | Jack Schneider

Helenah

DaemonFC: What?

DaemonFC

Even worse, you might fart later and that will too. It's worse than Uncle Bill's private jets.

Helenah

Farts are natural...

DaemonFC

Methane is a greenhouse gas!

DaemonFC

Oh no!

Helenah

You can't possibly say my body in itself damages the environment...

techrights-news

"This strike is about our students." ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/23/teachers-strike-columbus-about-students-says-union-not-wages | Source: Common Dreams

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Teachers' Strike in Columbus About Students, Says Union, Not Wages

Helenah

lol

DaemonFC

Yes it does.

MinceR

"It is natural to die."

Helenah

That would be absurd considering I'm part of the ecosystem...

https://sites.psu.edu/siowfa15/2015/11/27/farts-and-burps-contribution-to-global-warming/

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sites.psu.edu | Farts and Burps Contribution to Global Warming | SiOWfa15: Science in Our World: Certainty and Controversy

Helenah

Yeah "contribute"

Helenah

that doesn't mean it's the cause...

DaemonFC

Oh they really have you.

schestowitz[TR]

corrupted media

Helenah

Of course it is gonna be an "addon" to the damage humanity does.

Helenah

DaemonFC: I think you really are stupid...

Helenah

Did you know Biomethane is friendlier than non-biomethane?

Helenah

For one non-biomethane is locked in the ground

Helenah

not supposed to be released

Helenah

so when it gets released, that's humanity unbalancing the damn system...

Helenah

And you blame farts are the issue?!

Helenah

Food contains methane

MinceR

i didn't know there was a moiety called "bio-"

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"Change on industrial scales is slow, but if you’re operating your own small farm or simply working in a home garden there are some excellent ways to use water more effectively." ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/2022-hackaday-prize-plant-monitoring-system-grows-to-include-lora/ | Source: Hackaday

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-2022 Hackaday Prize: Plant Monitoring System Grows To Include LoRa | Hackaday

Helenah

It decays, methane is released as it is broken down

matteobin

This chat is very strange.

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Helenah

it gets released into the environment

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Helenah

But you'd be an idiot go around and say "Apples and oranges are destroying the planet due to the methane they release"

schestowitz[TR]

matteobin: sometimes it's about tech ^_^

Helenah

Yeah, sometimes it's about tech...

DaemonFC

My friend said that raising cattle was bad for the planet, with cow flatulence in the ozone and the clearing of land for the raising of cattle. He asked me what I was doing to help the environment. I said, “I'm eating the cows.” ~Ron White

Helenah

but numb nuts over there won't allow that...

Helenah

DaemonFC: Yes

Helenah

but...

Helenah

wild cows are

Helenah

not unbalancing anything

Helenah

It's the "excess of cows" caused by farming...

Helenah

You can't blame the cow itself...

DaemonFC

Yes, we know that.

MinceR

it's the excess of humans that causes most of that farming

Helenah

but you can blame the human who raised the cow...

DaemonFC

It was a joke. He's a comedian.

matteobin

I agree on that.

matteobin

Oh sorry. I'm confused.

DaemonFC

Cows are delicious.

matteobin

I'll go to lunch. Have a good meal, everyone!

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MinceR

there could be a couple million humans living sustainably and comfortably on this planet, or we can try and cover it in bodies, and insist that everyone live like an ascetic because it's unsustainable

DaemonFC

Until Creepy Uncle Bill's Lab Garbage Burgers are better, people will eat burgers.

MinceR

and the latter still won't work

MinceR

but it's very popular.

Helenah

MinceR: I designed a biodigester, just need to put in place.

Helenah

that and a gasometer

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DaemonFC

Walmart doesn't sell Beyond Beef anymore.

DaemonFC

Good.

DaemonFC

The stuff is fucking crap that lies about being beef.

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DaemonFC

Or even beef-like.

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DaemonFC

McDonalds gave up and canceled the "McPlant".

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DaemonFC

Did you see that, schestowitz[TR]?

Aug 24 11:56

DaemonFC

Beyond Beef's stock sank on the news.

Aug 24 11:56

DaemonFC

Creepy Uncle was trying to get it into McDonalds.

Aug 24 11:56

schestowitz[TR]

they ain't got beed with him

schestowitz[TR]

gates invests in walmart

schestowitz[TR]

coca cola

schestowitz[TR]

and who knows what else?

schestowitz[TR]

I've not keps abreast for over a decade

schestowitz[TR]

he buys the chains

schestowitz[TR]

and then puishes into them his PATENTED crap

schestowitz[TR]

that costs a lot

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Aug 24 12:02

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Aug 24 12:03

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Aug 24 12:04

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Aug 24 12:04

Helenah

Nobody is 100% bad, you know?

Aug 24 12:05

Helenah

Even if they're the most hated person the planet...

Aug 24 12:06

Helenah

Gates has probably done a mixture of good and bad things.

Aug 24 12:06

Helenah

I just don't like how Microsnot is...

Aug 24 12:06

Helenah

And I don't like some of Gates ways either

Aug 24 12:07

Helenah

I don't even necessarily like what he chooses to fund

Aug 24 12:07

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Kingdom of Barbaria https://www.reuters.com/article/saudi-city-surveillance-idAFL8N2ZL0CM

Aug 24 12:08

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Aug 24 12:08

Helenah

But I'm sure he's got his good and his bad about him, we all have...

Helenah

rich, poor, etc, we all have good and bad in us. :)

schestowitz[TR]

Helenah: people are judged on net effect

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Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: I prefer to look at a person in full and get a full picture.

Helenah

You could say something bad...

Helenah

but if I was to then say

Helenah

you're an absolute evil piece of shit

schestowitz[TR]

igf you don't mind me saying:

Helenah

then I am degrading you

schestowitz[TR]

saying gates did some good things is a big stockholm-y

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Helenah

and er... like... what about the good thing?

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]

we should not forgive everyone

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Wait, what?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/House

DaemonFC

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Helenah

I don't support the guy...

schestowitz[TR]

some people did a lot of bad

schestowitz[TR]

and belong in prison for life

DaemonFC

"Asexuality doesn't exist in healthy people."

DaemonFC

In general, no, it doesn't.

DaemonFC

It's what happens when the doctor starts playing around with your antidepressants.

Helenah

DaemonFC: So I must be very sick then

Helenah

because I'm Demisexual which is like..

Helenah

partially asexual

Helenah

and partially sexual

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techuser

I want to become asexual

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psydruid

Gates is pure evil

Helenah

techuser: GnRH agonist

Helenah

will reduce your sexual urges to nil

schestowitz[TR]

Helenah: http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique

Helenah

but erm...

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schestowitz[TR]

all his investments are bad

Helenah

Please take that under the guidance of a doctor, okay?

schestowitz[TR]

inc. the media bribes

Helenah

Cause playing with that is like... well...

Helenah

lol

schestowitz[TR]

that compel "publishers" to tell people he does "good"

Helenah

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: I never mentioned anything he did though in particular...

Helenah

I was generally saying that...

schestowitz[TR]

I studied it for many years

schestowitz[TR]

he belongs in prison

Helenah

everyone has both good and bad in them...

schestowitz[TR]

he was arrested twice

Helenah

Yeah but even prison inmates have some good in them...

schestowitz[TR]

he also tried to free epstein from prison

schestowitz[TR]

after he had flew child explottaion planes with him

Helenah

Gary Glitter is a pedophile but I still like his music...

schestowitz[TR]

*flown

Helenah

Even if I don't like what he did to minors.

schestowitz[TR]

not all prison inmates are equal

schestowitz[TR]

some are there for mass murder

Helenah

Yep

schestowitz[TR]

some are not

schestowitz[TR]

some for life

schestowitz[TR]

some for months

Helenah

but even a mass murderer has something "good" about them

Helenah

even if the murder itself is bad...

Helenah

I don't see how someone can be 100% bad throughout...

Helenah

I've never met anyone who is 100% bad throughout, even the 3 men who raped me...

schestowitz[TR]

the "banaility of evil"

schestowitz[TR]

when "decent" man convince themselves that massive harm is justifiable

schestowitz[TR]

see Brehvik

Helenah

hmm

DaemonFC

Hitler was the Chancellor of Germany. He loved to paint, was a vegan, and took very good care of his dogs. For more, see Criticism of Hitler.

DaemonFC

(Wikipedia)

Helenah

Yeh, there are things that are good about hitler

Helenah

Things I like about him

Helenah

but I do not like nazism

Helenah

And therefore I do not like the nazism in him

Helenah

I don't like what he did to people...

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], I use the "Hitler was the Chancellor." bit every time someone references Wikipedia.

Helenah

But he has good things about him too

DaemonFC

Specifically, an article that's been pruned by government censors or PR firms.

Helenah

And I see both good and bad in all people

Helenah

Including DaemonFC

Helenah

even though I've been up their arse for hours...

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schestowitz[TR]

Helenah: he pisses off a lot of people

DaemonFC

My dad is one of those Nostradamus freaks.

schestowitz[TR]

male, female, the rest

schestowitz[TR]

he doesn't have a sense for people's feelings

DaemonFC

You know, he saw Hitler (Hister) and 9/11.

schestowitz[TR]

he just fires away

DaemonFC

Just not clearly enough that anyone would know.

schestowitz[TR]

Nostradamus didn't see Pusin [sic]

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Wo does? DaemonFC ?

Helenah

I can see that...

Helenah

I haven't denied that...

Helenah

I'm not naive to that

Helenah

But underneath it all, I see where there is good...

techrights-ipfs-bot

Helenah

And that's not to say the bad doesn't matter because it does...

Helenah

They can improve...

schestowitz[TR]

he was traumatised over the years

schestowitz[TR]

he won't admit it

schestowitz[TR]

I knew him online since 2008 , I think

Helenah

hmm

schestowitz[TR]

hopping from one disaster to the next

Helenah

Yeah, that's not to say I've known him for a while, I only met him today.

Helenah

It's observation.

schestowitz[TR]

rejection, health, police, bankruptcy, marriage issues, financial agfain

schestowitz[TR]

I don't think I was even traumatised to such an effect

schestowitz[TR]

people I know who saw dead bodies or got bullied made promises to themselves, so they support mean politicians, don't trust people, look for vengeance

Aug 24 12:22

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Stockholm syndrome.

Helenah

I had it :'(

Helenah

I think I told you that... :'(

Helenah

You the manc...

Helenah

In Oldham...

Helenah

Your name is Roy

Helenah

DaemonFC's name is Ryan

Helenah

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schestowitz[TR]

not in oldham

Helenah

Yes, you told me some tactics they use, I appreciated it. :3

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]

I'm opp. man city stadium

Helenah

You mentioned a few places.

schestowitz[TR]

a friend of mine moved to oldham area

schestowitz[TR]

Ryan has a blog

schestowitz[TR]

you can find out about his life there

https://baronhk.wordpress.com

schestowitz[TR]

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Helenah

hmm

Aug 24 12:27

DaemonFC

It's occurred to me that I don't actually remember very much of my childhood anymore.

Aug 24 12:27

DaemonFC

Just parts of it.

DaemonFC

Places and things more than events.

Helenah

My childhood was different...

Helenah

to most peoples childhood

Helenah

I told techuser about it

DaemonFC

I don't know if it's because there's some kind of a block there or what.

Helenah

Yeah you get trauma blocks

Helenah

that block your traumatic experiences out

Helenah

Did you have PTSD by any chance?

DaemonFC

Not diagnosed.

Aug 24 12:30

DaemonFC

It's like "Swiss Cheese memory". I can remember pieces, but like, the names and faces of classmates are gone, school teachers, gone for the most part.

Aug 24 12:31

DaemonFC

I couldn't tell you anything about my school teachers up through about 1995 or so because I just don't remember.

Aug 24 12:32

DaemonFC

Except this really mean art teacher named Mrs. Wimmer.

Aug 24 12:32

schestowitz[TR]

most of my dreams are full of memories from school days

Aug 24 12:32

schestowitz[TR]

and childhood, even disproportionate amount

Aug 24 12:33

DaemonFC

Probably the only reason I remember her is because I remember how much I hated her and art class and how she kept giving me Fs and it was the only thing I was getting Fs in at that point. Everything else was fine.

Aug 24 12:33

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DaemonFC

Today there isn't even an art class.

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DaemonFC

They took so much money from the schools that there's no art class anymore.

DaemonFC

Being an obedient worker doesn't require art appreciation.

Aug 24 12:35

DaemonFC

Out it goes!

Aug 24 12:35

DaemonFC

Uncle Bill's Common Core incoming.

Aug 24 12:35

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], For 8 years I just stopped having dealings with anyone.

Aug 24 12:36

DaemonFC

From about 2008 to late 2015. So like 7 years and change.

Aug 24 12:36

DaemonFC

I started sleeping during the day and being awake at night specificulally to avoid people.

DaemonFC

That was going well. I should have kept it up.

schestowitz[TR]

there are other upsides

schestowitz[TR]

you can use computer resources overnight

schestowitz[TR]

if you are nucturna

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DaemonFC

If it started raining and I wanted to sit on my back porch and watch it, I could just do that.

schestowitz[TR]

there are also jobs that require being aware at nights

schestowitz[TR]

like my job

schestowitz[TR]

so you can be better off being nucturnal

schestowitz[TR]

it's a scarcity

DaemonFC

Nobody was there to bother me. For almost 8 years I nearly completely avoided people.

DaemonFC

I even did the shopping at night.

DaemonFC

WHy did I ever stop that? It was so much better than this.

DaemonFC

It's best if nobody even knows you're there.

Aug 24 12:39

DaemonFC

Nobody can even think to bother you. They don't see you anymore. Out of sight, out of mind.

Aug 24 12:39

DaemonFC

The police don't even bother you at night. Why would they?

Aug 24 12:40

DaemonFC

There's less of them, they're nowhere around, and it's dark outside.

Aug 24 12:40

schestowitz[TR]

<DaemonFC> I even did the shopping at night.

schestowitz[TR]

some place are open late, yes

schestowitz[TR]

and no queues

schestowitz[TR]

and nicer staff

schestowitz[TR]

not overestressed

schestowitz[TR]

so confrontational tone less likely

schestowitz[TR]

also you protect their job

schestowitz[TR]

by coming late

MinceR

that's what she said.

DaemonFC

If I have regrets, it was breaking that string. I sleep better during the day anyway.

DaemonFC

I only got an hour and a half of sleep last night.

DaemonFC

I'll have to go back to bed here soon.

DaemonFC

I hate that Mandy won't change his schedule.

schestowitz[TR]

I split the sleep into 2 or 3

schestowitz[TR]

since covid-19 lockdowns

DaemonFC

I hate waking up at 4 AM just to take him to work.

schestowitz[TR]

before that went to gym and stuff outdoors

schestowitz[TR]

when that stopped I could reassess the sleep allocsations etc.

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DaemonFC

"There is frequently a violation of the person's core assumptions about the world and their human rights, putting the person in a state of extreme confusion and insecurity. This is seen when institutions depended upon for survival violate, humiliate, betray, or cause major losses or separations instead of evoking aspects like positive self worth, safe boundaries and personal freedom."

DaemonFC

Over and over again.

https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/allyourfaultson.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-allyourfaultson#comic )

schestowitz[TR]

soiurce?

Aug 24 12:45

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"The Test Center team is happy to deliver the next major release of Test Center, version 3.0, offering support for Squish Coco coverage reports. You can now browse and analyze your code coverage reports right next to your test reports stored in Test Center." https://www.qt.io/blog/test-center-3.0-available-now

Aug 24 12:45

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Aug 24 12:45

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"Whether for music, communication, or notifications, audio is an important feature of many personal computer systems. In a new FreeBSD system, an audio card will need to be configured to process audio files and send them to the connected speakers." https://www.fosslife.org/quick-and-easy-guide-setting-audio-freebsd

Aug 24 12:46

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Aug 24 12:46

MinceR

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DaemonFC

<schestowitz[TR]> soiurce?

DaemonFC

Wikipedia.

DaemonFC

You know, my parents were fighting all the time.

DaemonFC

As far back as I can remember. Over everything. It was just stupid.

schestowitz[TR]

wikipedia has deteriorated

schestowitz[TR]

because it gained value the PR agennts and gov. actors took over

DaemonFC

Usually it was my mom spent some money or something and my dad was yelling at her for it and then she'd one up him by picking up something and hitting him with it.

schestowitz[TR]

and use it as a PR tool now

DaemonFC

Of course, you can't go to the police if you're a man.

DaemonFC

She'll just turn it around on you and they'll arrest you after she finished hitting you.

DaemonFC

I suppose that's why he never went to the police about anything.

techrights-news

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DaemonFC

She would beat me all over the house.

DaemonFC

Spit on me. What the hell am I going to do about it? Hit my mother?

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DaemonFC

That's how the police take you to a facility for delinquents.

DaemonFC

She's even physically attacked me several times as an adult.

schestowitz[TR]

spit on you?

schestowitz[TR]

that's... strange

DaemonFC

Just knowing I wouldn't hit her back.

DaemonFC

Yeah.

schestowitz[TR]

it is not even sanitary

schestowitz[TR]

sooner or later the house gets filled with her saliva

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], It's not possible to have a normal relationship with anyone around me I guess. Sooner or later they all start abusing me somehow.

schestowitz[TR]

could bw orse

schestowitz[TR]

you could be unemployeed nurse navigator

DaemonFC

I'm just glad this one isn't hitting me and fucking everything on an app.

DaemonFC

<schestowitz[TR]> you could be unemployeed nurse navigator

Aug 24 12:53

DaemonFC

Her LinkedIn says she's employed.

Aug 24 12:53

DaemonFC

Part time at two places.

Aug 24 12:53

DaemonFC

But they really did a double whammy on her at the cancer hospital.

techrights-news

"mold is a fancy new linker that's really fast." https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17992

DaemonFC

Less important job title and reduced hours.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gitlab.freedesktop.org | ci: Use mold for x86-64 and AArch64 builds (!17992) · Merge requests · Mesa / mesa · GitLab

techrights-news

fwupd in BSDs? https://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/kernel/2022-August/320332.html https://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/kernel/2022-August/320331.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dragonflybsd.org | Adding ESRT and EFI vars support for fwupd

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dragonflybsd.org | Adding ESRT and EFI vars support for fwupd

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], The CEO of the company had been panicking for years about their revenue.

DaemonFC

Mandy said "Oh yeah, she said they were in trouble because of Obamacare.".

Aug 24 12:56

DaemonFC

I said, "No, they're in trouble because insurance doesn't pay for woo woo and people who could afford it can't afford it anymore.".

Aug 24 12:56

DaemonFC

Half of what Cancer Treatment Centers of America does is cancer treatment, and the other half is woo woo.

techrights-news

Draft: radv: Switch to 100% dynamic rendering (!15587) · Merge requests · Mesa / mesa · GitLab ⚓ https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15587/diffs?commit_id=5197504cca7087ef7ddbc5666da4f16c9b7318be ䷉

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gitlab.freedesktop.org | Draft: radv: Switch to 100% dynamic rendering (!15587) · Merge requests · Mesa / mesa · GitLab

DaemonFC

Just strictly to run the bill sky high.

techrights-news

"I’ll discuss all the changes to the example extension one by one. But you can download the ZIP file with the complete extension source code here." https://palant.info/2022/08/24/attack-surface-of-extension-pages/

Aug 24 12:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-palant.info | Attack surface of extension pages | Almost Secure

Aug 24 12:58

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▅▂▃▅▆▂▃▄█▂▂▁▂▃▂▃▄▁▂▁▂▁▄▄▄▅▃▅▅▃▄██▁ avg(k/sec) 75.26 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▂█▁▁▁▁▁▁▄▅██▁█▁▁▃███▁▁▂▂▁▁▁███▁ avg(k/sec) 120.85▕ swarm size (avg): 114.55 ⟲

Aug 24 12:59

techrights-news

Those who 0.0% stake in Twitter's future will just grin at this https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/08/mudge-files-whistleblower-complaint-against-twitter.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mudge Files Whistleblower Complaint against Twitter - Schneier on Security

https://palant.info/2022/04/19/adobe-acrobat-hollowing-out-same-origin-policy/

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-palant.info | Adobe Acrobat hollowing out same-origin policy | Almost Secure

DaemonFC

"To my surprise, the extension itself did almost nothing despite having a quite considerable code size."

DaemonFC

Adobe

DaemonFC

techrights-news

"Between 2022-08-17 and 2022-08-24 there were 24 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 256 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 9.4 % of total released titles." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-08-24-edition/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-08-24 Edition - Boiling Steam

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*Helenah hugs schestowitz[TR]

*Helenah gives schestowitz[TR] a hamper of chocolates

*Helenah gives techuser a hamper of chocolates

*Helenah gives MinceR a hamper of chocolates

*Helenah gives mjg59_ a hamper of chocolates

Helenah

Helenah

Awwww

schestowitz[TR]

thanks

Aug 24 13:14

techrights-news

➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): A New Raspberry Pi Powered Laptop - The CrowPi-L" ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/A_New_Raspberry_Pi_Powered_Laptop_The_CrowPi_L.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/A_New_Raspberry_Pi_Powered_Laptop_The_CrowPi_L.gmi ∎

Aug 24 13:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — A New Raspberry Pi Powered Laptop - The CrowPi-L

Aug 24 13:16

techrights-ipfs-bot

Aug 24 13:20

techrights-news

"With all of this inflation that the world has been seeing the last while, it has resulted in various central banks tightening policy in order to stamp it out." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/recession-twitch.gmi

Aug 24 13:21

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: :3

Helenah

You're most welcome

techrights-news

"Something that has been of concern to me in recent years is the strange cult of the hustle that has been metastasizing on the web. There’s a fetishization of workaholism that a vocal group have been pushing." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/hustle-porn.gmi

techrights-news

"Realms like the much talked about gig economy have also been infected by this with food delivery people, quasi taxi services, and whatever it is that Fiver does encouraging people to grind away at their task." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/hustle-porn.gmi

techrights-news

"Robyn has this song “Call your girlfriend” and it’s such a beautiful melody. It’s easy to understand why it’s such a widely-covered and well-beloved song." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/call-your-girlfriend

Aug 24 13:23

techrights-news

"Instead, I would’ve expected capitalist proponents to trust that their pet system could handle the invention of bits, harddrives, and TCP/IP without having to introduce fictions and ghosts like “intellectual” property as a monopoly-enforcing band-aid" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/capital-and-copyright

Aug 24 13:25

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Aug 24 13:44

schestowitz[TR]

wb, matteobin

schestowitz[TR]

hopefully more onn-topic now

schestowitz[TR]

we think abotu doing a video abourt your suggestion

schestowitz[TR]

for irc in italy

schestowitz[TR]

and many "farms" of chats

schestowitz[TR]

instead of outsourced socialm control media

matteobin

Thanks, schestowitz[TR]

schestowitz[TR]

jyst need to research the matter a bit

schestowitz[TR]

based on netsplit.de italy has many irc networks

schestowitz[TR]

some quite large

matteobin

That would be interesting. Do you know XMPP? Do you need help?

schestowitz[TR]

xmpp is good too

schestowitz[TR]

we used to use that at work for ages

schestowitz[TR]

until some idiots who fancy "CLOWN COMPUTING" came top the company

schestowitz[TR]

xmpp can do chatrooms also

https://netsplit.de/networks/IRCItalia.eu/

matteobin

Really? What job was that? Here we have all MS tech. Unfortunately. :(

Aug 24 13:49

schestowitz[TR]

IT job

Aug 24 13:49

schestowitz[TR]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE

https://netsplit.de/networks/IRCserveR_Italia/

schestowitz[TR]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE

matteobin

Yes, XMPP is a mix between email and chat, like the infamous WhatsApp

https://netsplit.de/networks/Italian-Amici/

schestowitz[TR]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE

https://netsplit.de/networks/GlobalIRC.it/

schestowitz[TR]

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schestowitz[TR]

"During last connections to GlobalIRC.it its servers reported an average of 1629 users and 50 chat rooms. Use the following menu to get more information about IRC network GlobalIRC.it!

schestowitz[TR]

https://netsplit.de/networks/IRCGate.it/

schestowitz[TR]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE

matteobin

I didn't know about all these Italian channels, maybe they'll like GNU/Linux in there too!

schestowitz[TR]

THEY ARE N NETWORKS ... oops caps

schestowitz[TR]

sorry, caps lock

schestowitz[TR]

they are not channels but networks

schestowitz[TR]

and I noticed them some months ago

techrights-news

Links 24/08/2022: xisxwayland 2 and Test Center 3.0 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/test-center-3-0/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/24/test-center-3-0/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 24/08/2022: xisxwayland 2 and Test Center 3.0 | Techrights

schestowitz-TR2

[11:18] <Techrights-sec> 10:04:57 matteobin; My dream would be if the state used a free or

schestowitz-TR2

[11:18] <Techrights-sec> open decentralised infrustructre. For instance in Italy we could have at

schestowitz-TR2

[11:18] <Techrights-sec> least one XMPP server per region. That would be rad!

schestowitz-TR2

[11:20] <schestowitz-TR2> yes, good idea

schestowitz-TR2

[11:20] <schestowitz-TR2> I noticed quite a few large italian irc servers

schestowitz-TR2

[11:20] <schestowitz-TR2> when I studied netsplit.net

schestowitz-TR2

[11:20] <schestowitz-TR2> *.de

schestowitz-TR2

[11:30] <Techrights-sec>

schestowitz-TR2

[11:30] <Techrights-sec> that ^ x 1000

schestowitz-TR2

[11:30] <Techrights-sec> they already waste money fighting social control media, running their own

matteobin

Sorry, I don't know much about how IRC networks work.

schestowitz-TR2

[11:30] <Techrights-sec> service would in some ways probably be less effort, overall, but the ROI

schestowitz-TR2

[11:30] <Techrights-sec> for the effot it would require would be great. The technical side would not

schestowitz-TR2

[11:30] <Techrights-sec> be too hard, maybe a few FTE for redundancy, but there would have to be

schestowitz-TR2

[11:30] <Techrights-sec> teams managing the interaction properly

schestowitz-TR2

[11:30] <Techrights-sec> there are also matters of defense, rumor control, and sovreignty which are

schestowitz-TR2

[11:31] <Techrights-sec> hard to put a monetary value on but are valuable nonetheless

https://web.archive.org/web/20080325181646/http://twitter.com/jzemlin

techrights-news

➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Red Hat Leftovers ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Red_Hat_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Red_Hat_Leftovers.gmi ∎

Aug 24 13:54

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — Red Hat Leftovers"

Aug 24 13:54

techrights-news

➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi ∎

Aug 24 13:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — today's leftovers

Aug 24 13:55

matteobin

That's all good to me! I don't know if our politics would ever be able to understand how much Free Software and open technology are valuable, since they are not able to understand basic human rights. Have you ever heard of Salvini or Meloni?

Aug 24 13:56

matteobin

Anyway the good thing about XMPP is that people would stop using WhatsApp as the primary communication method.

Aug 24 13:57

schestowitz[TR]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Twitter / jzemlin

schestowitz[TR]

he deleted all his tweets ^

schestowitz[TR]

matteobin: all those foreign-owned comms tools should be shunned

schestowitz[TR]

it's not hard to host one's own

matteobin

I'm a huge fan of public libraries. In my dream world we would have something similar for common shared digital services, like internet browsing (we already have that at libraries), email, XMMP or VoIP. A public and cozy Free Software server farm.

schestowitz[TR]

zemlin:

schestowitz[TR]

"etting up twitter instead of sleeping 01:29 AM February 28, 2008 from im

schestowitz[TR]

Still can't sleep 01:26 AM February 28, 2008 from im

schestowitz[TR]

Insomnia 01:17 AM February 28, 2008 from web "

techuser

"free software" looks like a lie these days

techuser

corporations do parasite on it

schestowitz[TR]

that's called "Open Source"

matteobin

Corporations do, but what about individuals or collectives?

techuser

Lennart Poettering?

https://web.archive.org/web/20080924033722/http://twitter.com/jzemlin/statuses/898000813

schestowitz[TR]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20080924033722/http://twitter.com/jzemlin/statuses/898000813 )

schestowitz[TR]

"Gmail went down while I am on vacation. Thanks Google!"-zemlin

Aug 24 14:02

schestowitz[TR]

"Just did my first microloan."

Aug 24 14:02

matteobin

Why is this relevant? Maybe I missed something.

Aug 24 14:02

schestowitz[TR]

which part?

Aug 24 14:17

techrights-ipfs-bot

Aug 24 14:20

Helenah

o.o

Aug 24 14:35

*Helenah dances around the rooom while waving her hand

Aug 24 14:36

techrights-news

Jim Zemlin’s Wife (at Bakkt) Seems to be Running a Pyramid Scheme or a Scam, Preying on Gullible People | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/bakkt-scam/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/24/bakkt-scam/

Aug 24 14:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin’s Wife (at Bakkt) Seems to be Running a Pyramid Scheme or a Scam, Preying on Gullible People | Techrights

Aug 24 14:36

techrights-news

CoCs let corporations spin fact-finding and investigations (against corporations) as "harassment"

Aug 24 14:37

matteobin

schestowitz[TR]: The part about the tweets of the former Twitter user called Jim Zemlin

Aug 24 14:47

techrights-news

Delete Twitter. Today. https://www.maketecheasier.com/ex-security-head-twitter-whistleblower/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Ex Security Head at Twitter Becomes Whistleblower - Make Tech Easier

schestowitz[TR]

matteobin: he deleted all his tweets

schestowitz[TR]

some are incriminating to some extent

matteobin

Who is that guy? Do you know him?

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation

schestowitz[TR]

chief of 'Linux' Foundation

Aug 24 14:49

schestowitz[TR]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights

https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/elbows.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-elbows#comic )

MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net)

http://techrights.org/wiki/Jim_Zemlin

schestowitz[TR]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin - Techrights

matteobin

What did he do to be incriminated?

schestowitz[TR]

these people basically attack Linux... as a project

schestowitz[TR]

they try to turn it into a product of Microsoft, VMware etc.

schestowitz[TR]

i.e. gpl violators

matteobin

I'll read the article you posted.

schestowitz[TR]

and they promote github

schestowitz[TR]

ti hed developers into the cage of Microsoft

matteobin

Meh :(

schestowitz[TR]

*to hed

schestowitz[TR]

*to herd

schestowitz[TR]

they also bribe publishers for PR

schestowitz[TR]

and prkmtioon of diploma mills

schestowitz[TR]

so of course the media rarely talks about these issues and seldom says anything bad about LF

schestowitz[TR]

while it does habitually makee snide remarks on Torvalds

http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists/

schestowitz[TR]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] They Send Linus Torvalds to Therapists While Microsoft Pays Their Full Salary | Techrights

matteobin

Mills? What does the word mill mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma_mill

MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Diploma mill - Wikipedia

techrights-news

Empty promises: more internet shutdowns during exams in MENA - Access Now ⚓ https://www.accessnow.org/empty-promises-shutdowns-exams/ ䷉ Source: AccessNow | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/empty-promises-shutdowns-exams/

Aug 24 14:54

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Empty promises: more internet shutdowns during exams in MENA - Access Now

Aug 24 14:54

techuser

how many of the exams actually matter?

Aug 24 14:54

techuser

there are some jobs which require to be fast

Aug 24 14:55

techuser

but others don't

Aug 24 14:55

techuser

we have Stack Overflow programmers for example

Aug 24 14:55

matteobin

Well The Linux Foundation seems pretty bad!

techrights-news

Monopolies-controlled w3c to BREAK the Web to herd all sites into the "trust" scheme of Pentagon cartel. They'd block any sites that the cabal does not fancy giving a cert to. Really awful. https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/22/w3cs_transition_https/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | W3C's planned transition to HTTPS stymied by legacy laggards • The Register

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | World Wide Web Consortium - Techrights

techrights-news

w3c: DRM GOOD, legacy and backward compatibility (or self-signed certs) BAD. http://techrights.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium

Aug 24 14:57

techrights-news

Hopefully WWW will die in a fire in the next 10 years

Aug 24 14:57

techrights-news

Old: Techrights Calls for Tim Berners-Lee to Drop DRM Support, Regain Control of (Currently Corporations-run) W3C http://techrights.org/2013/06/01/w3c-and-drm/

Aug 24 14:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Calls for Tim Berners-Lee to Drop DRM Support, Regain Control of (Currently Corporations-run) W3C | Techrights

Aug 24 14:58

techrights-news

Tim B-L is a JavaScript relic, powered by proprietary Microsoft GitHub. Not what he was at CERN with his SUN box

Aug 24 14:59

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: █▅▁▄▁▂▃▄▄▂▃▁▂▃▅▄▅▁▁█▄▁▁▁▁▂▁▄▅▁▃▄▅▂▆▄▁▁ avg(k/sec) 41.23 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁█▁█▁█▆▇███████▁██▁█▁█▁▁▁▁▁█▁▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 113.61▕ swarm size (avg): 119.30 ⟲

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techrights-news

➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 HowTos " ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.1.gmi ∎

Aug 24 15:02

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — today's howtos"

Aug 24 15:02

techrights-news

➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today in Techrights ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Today_in_Techrights.gmi ∎

Aug 24 15:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — Today in Techrights

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▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▃▄▂▁▂▂▁▅▄▅▂▃▁▄▅▅▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▅▃▁▃▁▅▂▁▂▃▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 9.23 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁█▁▅▂▃▁▁▁██▂██▆█▄▇█▁█▁▂█▁█▁▁█▁█▁ avg(k/sec) 152.88▕ swarm size (avg): 124.11 ⟲

Aug 24 16:59

phanes

Ariadne, re: kiwi/fiberhub, I can't find it ethical to go after someone through their hosting provider and I think it sets a dangerous precedent. Might improve the state of things to encourage legal or social action against kiwi in lieu of targeting their hosting.

Aug 24 17:17

phanes

I don't disagree that their user's behaviour on that issue is absolute trash though

Aug 24 17:18

techrights-ipfs-bot

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techrights-news

"Recently, I've been experiencing a bit of a dip in my mental health. Prolonged ill health (in the form of two successive kidney stone incidents, one of which required an operation) has left me in a rut, while the pandemic hasn't helped." gemini://themby.smol.pub/2022-08-23

schestowitz__[TR]

"As I write this, I'm in the midst of removing my blog from my website, reintegrating all the timely content that once ran alongside big internet and turning it into something somewhat timeless.

schestowitz__[TR]

" gemini://xiu.smol.pub/1661302403

techrights-news

gmi

Aug 24 17:33

techrights-news

TELOPSC Wordo: KLOOF gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-24.gmi

Aug 24 17:33

techrights-news

"I use Merriam-Webster's dictionary as a reference for SpellBinding. I've never had a single issue with them until today." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-23.missing.word.gmi

Aug 24 17:34

techrights-news

"Writing long essays is fun. It's enjoyable to be able to express an idea, work on it a bit, mold it, pull out the imperfections, and show it off to the world. It can feel like a timeless accomplishment, rather than a temporal quip on social media." gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/longform.gmi

Aug 24 17:35

techrights-news

My best guess at a climate solution gemini://idiomdrottning.org/solution "No more extracting oil, coal, or gas."

Aug 24 17:36

techrights-news

"We’ve rationed energy in the past and we need to do it again. This is also an efficient way to cut proof-of-work systems since a ban on it (which I would definitively welcome) is hard to enforce." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/solution

Aug 24 17:37

techrights-news

Lost a Bike, Made a Bag, Bought Trousers gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-08-24-lost-a-bike-made-a-bag-bought-trousers.gmi

Aug 24 17:37

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techrights-news

The Linux Foundation is a bit of a fraud, but it is connected to other frauds and charlatans, who don’t care about Linux and dodge ethical standards http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/bakkt-scam/

Aug 24 17:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin’s Wife (at Bakkt) Seems to be Running a Pyramid Scheme or a Scam, Preying on Gullible People | Techrights

Aug 24 17:50

techrights-news

➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): The Future of NGINX: Getting Back to Our Open Source Roots ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/The_Future_of_NGINX_Getting_Back_to_Our_Open_Source_Roots.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/The_Future_of_NGINX_Getting_Back_to_Our_Open_Source_Roots.gmi ∎

Aug 24 17:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — The Future of NGINX: Getting Back to Our Open Source Roots"

Aug 24 17:51

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➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴: Google Android Leftovers ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.2.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.2.gmi ∎

Aug 24 17:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — Android Leftovers

Aug 24 17:52

XRevan86

The Life of Ryan: "I'm not anti-trans, I just don't like Keith in particular."

Aug 24 17:52

XRevan86

But also: "Trans women. It's like denying a force of nature."

Aug 24 17:53

XRevan86

scientes: "have you ever coded ARM thumb code?" <- That would be a "no".

techrights-news

Linux Mint 21 | Cinnamon Desktop is Awesome - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4CYwYXLTJso | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/4CYwYXLTJso

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Linux Mint 21 | Cinnamon Desktop is Awesome - Invidious

techuser

I hate sexes/genders

XRevan86

CrystalMath: "i kinda like TeX, but i sometimes joke about how elitist it is" <- There's always LyX, right?

techuser

just a basis of discrimination and a cause of suffering

techuser

and reproduction doesn't help anyway

XRevan86

schestowitz: "putin turns 70 in 2 months" <- That's the face of eternal youth :)

Aug 24 17:55

techrights-news

Google’s 1984 Moment | Coder Radio 480 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149657/googles-1984-moment-coder-radio-480/

Aug 24 17:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Google's 1984 Moment | Coder Radio 480 | Jupiter Broadcasting

Aug 24 17:56

XRevan86

DaemonFC: "I don't think ICQ is still around." <- But it is, owned by VK, although irrelevant even at the market it's trying to target.

Aug 24 17:56

techrights-news

When ACTUAL pedophiles upload pedo stuff to Google but work for Bill Gates http://techrights.org/2020/08/18/rick-jones-beach-fetish/

Aug 24 17:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Detectives Found That Bill Gates’ Engineer Took Photos of Latino Boys at the Beach. His Child Pornography Files Included Similar Material. | Techrights

Aug 24 17:57

XRevan86

darwin: "it's good in recent years they finally returned RSS" <- They did? I use an add-on.

Aug 24 17:57

techrights-news

"We're spooked to learn how one man's life has been turned upside down just because he used Google Photos." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149657/googles-1984-moment-coder-radio-480/

techrights-news

Release: Police Report About Arrest of Bill Gates Engineer for Pedophilia (Detained at Residence of Bill Gates) http://techrights.org/2020/08/04/police-report-gates-residence-arrest/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Release: Police Report About Arrest of Bill Gates Engineer for Pedophilia (Detained at Residence of Bill Gates) | Techrights

techrights-news

Release: 29 Pages of Internet Access Report About Pedophile Working for Bill Gates at His Home http://techrights.org/2020/08/04/report-about-gates-mansion-pedophile/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Release: 29 Pages of Internet Access Report About Pedophile Working for Bill Gates at His Home | Techrights

XRevan86

DaemonFC: "Makes you wonder about people. They're worried about getting something that nobody's died of because of vanity concerns, but not of HIV." <- There are recorded deaths from monkeypox.

techrights-news

Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates’ Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/jones-search-warrant/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates’ Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia | Techrights

techrights-news

Release: Several Police Reports About Searching the Home of Bill Gates’ Engineer (Stockpiles of Child Pornography Found Along With Illegal Firearm) http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/gates-eng-police-search/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Release: Several Police Reports About Searching the Home of Bill Gates’ Engineer (Stockpiles of Child Pornography Found Along With Illegal Firearm) | Techrights

techrights-news

Release: Bill Gates’ Engineer Busted for More Child Pornography Than Reported in the Media http://techrights.org/2020/08/10/rick-allen-jones-anomaly/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Release: Bill Gates’ Engineer Busted for More Child Pornography Than Reported in the Media | Techrights

techrights-news

Imagine sucking up to Bill Gates... in 2022!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh1kZD7EVj0

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Sh1kZD7EVj0

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> yewtu.be | Is Windows Bad? - Invidious

techrights-news

Jim Zemlin Idolises Bill Gates http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/jim-admires-bill/

Aug 24 18:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Sheela Microsoft (Zemlin) Does Not Like Linux and Jim Zemlin Idolises Bill Gates | Techrights

Aug 24 18:00

techrights-news

"Mozilla has released security updates to address vulnerabilities in Firefox, Firefox ESR, and Thunderbird. An attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/23/mozilla-releases-security-updates-firefox-firefox-esr-and

Aug 24 18:01

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Mozilla Releases Security Updates for Firefox, Firefox ESR, and Thunderbird | CISA

Aug 24 18:01

techrights-news

Gulag: we catch pedophiles. Also Gulag: we hire them. https://www.gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-teens-spied-on-chats

Aug 24 18:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gawker.com | GCreep: Google Engineer Stalked Teens, Spied on Chats (Updated)

Aug 24 18:03

techrights-news

"In this article, I will show you various Flatpak commands that make you a pro Flatpak user." ⚓ https://www.debugpoint.com/flatpak-commands/ ䷉ Source: DebugPoint | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.debugpoint.com/flatpak-commands/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/flatpak-commands/ )

XRevan86

CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-22-08-23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-telegra.ph | Dispatch for August 22 – Telegraph

techrights-news

How to Use Your Smartphone as a Second Monitor for Your Linux Desktop https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/How_to_Use_Your_Smartphone_as_a_Second_Monitor_for_Your_Linux_D.shtml

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — How to Use Your Smartphone as a Second Monitor for Your Linux Desktop

techrights-news

The 12 GHz Band Is the Easy Case for Spectrum Sharing. Let the FCC Do Its Job. - Public Knowledge ⚓ https://publicknowledge.org/the-12-ghz-band-is-the-easy-case-for-spectrum-sharing-let-the-fcc-do-its-job/ ䷉ Source: Public Knowledge | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/the-12-ghz-band-is-the-easy-case-for-spectrum-sharing-let-the-fcc-do-its-job/

Aug 24 18:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicknowledge.org | The 12 GHz Band Is the Easy Case for Spectrum Sharing. Let the FCC Do Its Job. - Public Knowledge

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Aug 24 18:15

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Why the Atari 2600’s Joystick Port Became a De Facto Standard ⚓ https://tedium.co/2022/08/24/atari-2600-joystick-port-history/ ䷉ Source: Tedium | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/08/24/atari-2600-joystick-port-history/

Aug 24 18:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tedium.co | Why the Atari 2600’s Joystick Port Became a De Facto Standard

Aug 24 18:18

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Jonathan Dowland: Our Study, 2022 https://jmtd.net/log/study/2022/

techrights-ipfs-bot

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jmtd.net | jmtd → log → study → Our Study, 2022

Helenah

So one of the biggest mistakes one my girlfriends grandads claims to have made in the second world war was not shooting a kid. The kid was a soldier who when having a gun pointed at him would crying for his mother and her grandad couldn't bring himself to kill him. That day, one of his soldiers was shot in the back and killed by that same kid.

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[Intel-gfx] [PULL] drm-intel-gt-next ⚓ https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2022-August/303966.html ䷉ Source: Zx2c4 | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2022-August/303966.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [Intel-gfx] [PULL] drm-intel-gt-next

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With energy prices soaring do you want this liability? https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-gpu-flex-series

Aug 24 18:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Announces Data Center GPU Flex Series Review - Phoronix

Aug 24 18:22

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"Zero-Trust" - misused buzzwords (albeit not originally) https://containerjournal.com/features/buoyant-updates-linkerd-to-simplify-zero-trust-security/

Aug 24 18:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-containerjournal.com | Buoyant Updates Linkerd to Simplify Zero-Trust Security - Container Journal

Aug 24 18:26

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sudo apt update vs upgrade: What’s the Difference? - It’s FOSS ⚓ https://itsfoss.com/apt-update-vs-upgrade/ ䷉ Source: Its FOSS | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itsfoss.com/apt-update-vs-upgrade/

Aug 24 18:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-itsfoss.com | sudo apt update vs upgrade: What's the Difference? - It's FOSS

Aug 24 18:27

techrights-news

➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is What’s New ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.gmi ∎

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is What’s New

techrights-news

➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): #HowTo Use Your Smartphone as a Second Monitor for Your Linux Desktop" ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/How_to_Use_Your_Smartphone_as_a_Second_Monitor_for_Your_Linux_D.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/How_to_Use_Your_Smartphone_as_a_Second_Monitor_for_Your_Linux_D.gmi ∎

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➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Security: Patches, Holes, and More ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Security_Patches_Holes_and_More.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Security_Patches_Holes_and_More.gmi ∎

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — Security: Patches, Holes, and More

https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1549876810309148672-scaled.jpg

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You asked. We acted: Red Hat Customer Portal launches improved technical documentation user experience ⚓ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/you-asked-we-acted-red-hat-customer-portal-launches-improved-technical-documentation-user-experience ䷉ Source: Red Hat Official

Aug 24 18:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | You asked. We acted: Red Hat Customer Portal launches improved technical documentation user experience

Aug 24 18:29

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Blogspam/webspam ... sigh https://linuxsecurity.com/features/how-ravendb-has-earned-the-trust-of-hundreds-of-companies

Aug 24 18:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxsecurity.com | How RavenDB Has Earned the Trust of Hundreds of Companies | LinuxSe...

Aug 24 18:30

schestowitz[TR]

Helenah: good day today?

Aug 24 18:33

Ariadne

phanes: i agree that joshua should be sued for the harassment he enables, but he makes himself difficult to serve papers on

Aug 24 18:33

phanes

so does matt

Aug 24 18:33

MinceR

Helenah

schestowitz[TR]: Yes. :)

techrights-news

Nibble Stew: Random things on designing a text format for books ⚓ https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/08/random-things-on-designing-text-format.html ䷉ Source: Jussi Pakkanen | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/08/random-things-on-designing-text-format.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nibblestew.blogspot.com | Nibble Stew: Random things on designing a text format for books

Ariadne

i do not think that asking fiberhub and cloudflare to examine their own roles in operating a doxing website is unreasonable though

techrights-news

➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): GStreamer for your backend services ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/GStreamer_for_your_backend_services.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/GStreamer_for_your_backend_services.gmi ∎

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — GStreamer for your backend services

Ariadne

as far as i am concerned it is a similar nuisance to a botnet C&C. shutting down a C&C through technical means provides immediate harm reduction

phanes

Ariadne, hosting providers should be content-neutral to protect content creators that may go against the grain but are necessary

schestowitz[TR]

"content-neutral" has its limits

schestowitz[TR]

not just ethical but legal

phanes

that unfortunately means that some bad guys misuse that

schestowitz[TR]

Intnerte Archive had issues with ISIS uploading beheading vids

schestowitz[TR]

Iceland also

schestowitz[TR]

the operators won't go like,

phanes

without that neutrality you have a caustic dystopian environment where if you're not smiling and agreeing with corporate malfeasance or caustic generational cultural mishaps then you get canceled

schestowitz[TR]

"oh, cool, today we served 100,000 requests for this guy getting his head sawed off"

Ariadne

content neutrality does not include coordinating peoples efforts to commit crimes

phanes

it does -- the courts should handle illegal content not the hosting providers

schestowitz[TR]

<techrights-news> "Free Speech Absolutist" ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/23/free-speech-absolutist-elon-musk-pens-column-for-chinese-censorship-agency/ | Source: Techdirt

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-‘Free Speech Absolutist’ Elon Musk Pens Column For Chinese Censorship Agency | Techdirt

phanes

thats how you prevent an era where people are afraid of their hosting providers to post controversial content

Ariadne

many of the people who are targeted by kiwifarms do not have the resources to make use of the court system

phanes

oh no doubt, there needs to be some kind of class action

Ariadne

again the site literally doxes children

phanes

i envision kiwi ending much the way alex jones did (minus the deplatforming, which is unethical)

schestowitz[TR]

usually it bolls down to public interest

schestowitz[TR]

which public? that's a tricky one

phanes

in this way a court provides actual justice and the owner is stripped of his wealth instead of being deplatformed in a way where he will adapt his model to be immune to the next attempt to stop him

phanes

a hosting provider should serve one purpose: converting money into content delivery, agnostic of that content

Aug 24 18:40

schestowitz[TR]

[17:05] <techrights-news> China having a field day over US mistreatment of publishers like Wikileaks https://yewtu.be/watch?v=a7ifDWw4NRo

Aug 24 18:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | China: Claims of CIA spying on lawyers for Assange again reflect US hypocrisy on human rights - Invidious

Ariadne

i mean i think that joshua should face criminal liability for his role in this

schestowitz[TR]

in the west the standsards for deplatforming are being lowered

MinceR

"they should be more like us, openly shitting on human rights!"

schestowitz[TR]

in china it's already, "anything the head of state doesn't fancy"

schestowitz[TR]

like in belarus

Ariadne

and some have faced criminal liability for their involvement in kiwifarms

Ariadne

already

schestowitz[TR]

MinceR: they say something close

MinceR

that's because they're lying sacks of shit

schestowitz[TR]

they justify their own actions to the world and to their [sic] people

schestowitz[TR]

"look, even the west reached the same conclusions as us"

phanes

Ariadne, oh agreed 100% on criminal liability for joshua/kiwi

MinceR

also, maybe elongated muskrat is a "free speech absolutist" in the sense that he wants absolutely no free speech to exist whatsoever

phanes

shutting him down in the middle of the act may actually prevent that

schestowitz[TR]

[15:05] <techrights-news> Old: China is our real enemy says WikiLeaks' Assange https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-assange-idUKTRE70B5C420110112

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-China is our real enemy says WikiLeaks' Assange | Reuters

MinceR

"we can only have one real enemy at a time"

schestowitz[TR]

true leader

schestowitz[TR]

real god

schestowitz[TR]

the one jehovah

Ariadne

anyway, cloudflare breaks the law by hosting the taliban

schestowitz[TR]

it's a sin to worship another

Ariadne

so that’s another reason to dislike them

MinceR

imaginary frenemy

schestowitz[TR]

Ariadne: wait, clownflare serves GOP pages?

MinceR

so apparently crimeflare thinks that script blocking and Tor are both worse than the taliban

MinceR

interesting

schestowitz[TR]

Gulag direct women who seek abortion to ANTI-=abortion "clinics"

Aug 24 18:46

phanes

i would say that means they get the memo on what their purpose in civilization is

Aug 24 18:46

schestowitz[TR]

clownflare is weakening taliban

phanes

i remember when matt trout was filing false reports to linode on me a while back and almost got his ass hauled in front of a judge to explain himself

schestowitz[TR]

by controlling its traffic

schestowitz[TR]

and spying on who goes on taliban sites

schestowitz[TR]

think of it like FBI running poedo sites

schestowitz[TR]

like playpen

Ariadne

schestowitz[TR]: no i mean the actual taliban

schestowitz[TR]

taliban would be foolish to let us-based companies control the routing

schestowitz[TR]

Ariadne: but which country?

schestowitz[TR]

taliban has branches now

Ariadne

afghanistan

schestowitz[TR]

they even shake hands with the US offshot

phanes

Ariadne, in all fairness the us has a deal in effect with the taliban

phanes

signed feb 29 2020

phanes

why we are maintaining diplomatic relations with child killers and actual rapists is beyond me

Aug 24 18:50

Ariadne

yeah but they did this before then

Aug 24 18:50

Ariadne

and also ISIL

Ariadne

which we definitely don’t have a deal with

phanes

true

https://www.thequint.com/news/world/un-security-council-endorses-us-taliban-peace-deal-2

schestowitz[TR]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thequint.com | UN Security Council Endorses US-Taliban Peace Deal in Afghanistan

phanes

i still think hosting providers need to be content-neutral and held harmless of any liability for the content they serve

Helsinki https://eu.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2020/06/27/russia-puts-bounty-american-troops-and-trump-does-nothing/3272420001/

schestowitz[TR]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.azcentral.com | Russia puts bounty on American troops and Trump does nothing

phanes

its a taliban problem, not a cloudflare problem, just as its an isil and kiwi problem, not a cloudflare problem

schestowitz[TR]

Trump thought Finland was part of Russia

schestowitz[TR]

maybe his boss told him so

schestowitz[TR]

maybe he knows something we don't know

schestowitz[TR]

putin's 70th year gift

MinceR

putler probably considers the entire universe to be part of orcland

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phanes

plot twist: trump was a russian plant sent to undermine us credibility diplomatic strategies

phanes

*credibility & diplomatic strategies

phanes

^ this is not true but i want to see this movie

MinceR

he was the Moscovian Candidate

schestowitz[TR]

MinceR: cheeto at 9pm

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/07/09/USAT/df4821e0-aa6e-429a-b9e1-e552fdf99831-GTY_1000209288.JPG?crop=4499,2531,x1,y70&width=2560

schestowitz[TR]

MinceR

that cdn is incredibly sluggish

schestowitz[TR]

MinceR: they look liike they are made of wax

MinceR

but yeah, i can see it

phanes

deplatforming even horribly unethical content really is a slippery slope into a dystopian hellscape where those without blue hair cannot speak

MinceR

that's an insult to wax

schestowitz[TR]

glass?>

schestowitz[TR]

Putrump waxing lyrically

Aug 24 18:56

*schestowitz[TR] checks today's covid reports

Aug 24 18:56

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▃▁▄▅▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▃▄▃▃▅▂▁▃▂▃▃▄▁▁▁▁▅▃▄▅▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 30.13 ▕ IPFS upstream: █▁█▁████▆█▁█▁▂██▁▁▁▁▁███▆▇▁▁▁██▁ avg(k/sec) 145.76▕ swarm size (avg): 122.06 ⟲

Aug 24 18:59

XRevan86

CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-23-08-24

Aug 24 19:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-telegra.ph | Dispatch for August 23 – Telegraph

Aug 24 19:09

techrights-news

New COVID-19 Data Out 3 Hours Ago: This Summer's Hospitalisations Remain Extremely High (More Than Ten Times Higher Than 2020), Totals Doubled This Past Year and May Exceed 1,000,000 Next Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/24/hospitalisation-totals-doubled/

Aug 24 19:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » New COVID-19 Data Out 3 Hours Ago: This Summer’s Hospitalisations Remain Extremely High (More Than Ten Times Higher Than 2020), Totals Doubled This Past Year and May Exceed 1,000,000 Next Month

Aug 24 19:14

techrights-news

1,000,000 in UK hospitals with COVID-19. More than 20% of them leave in a body bag. BillBC: We're made it!! COVID-19 is defeated. Also: buy more patented vaccine doses (patents Gates profits from... passing a fragment of the profits as more bribes to BillBC)

Aug 24 19:16

techrights-news

BillBC: it is distasteful to have disdain for criminal activity is the said criminals are BillBC sponsors.

Aug 24 19:18

schestowitz[TR]

*if the

Aug 24 19:18

techrights-ipfs-bot

Aug 24 19:20

techrights-news

SPAMNIL Bhartiya relaying anti-Free software talking points again. The click-fraudsters has resorted to attacking "Open Source" for money... as if a need to make money excuses fraud and lying. Then again, 'Linux' Foundation does the same. Birds flock together...

Aug 24 19:20

techrights-news

Perl Weekly Challenge 179: Ordinal Numbers and Unicode Sparkline http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/08/perl-weekly-challenge-179-ordinal-numbers-and-unicode-sparkline.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Perl Weekly Challenge 179: Ordinal Numbers and Unicode Sparkline | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]

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➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Neptune 7.5 "Ada" overview | an elegant out of the box experience. ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Neptune_7_5_Ada_overview_an_elegant_out_of_the_box_experience.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Neptune_7_5_Ada_overview_an_elegant_out_of_the_box_experience.gmi ∎

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — Neptune 7.5 "Ada" overview | an elegant out of the box experience.

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schestowitz[TR]

hi, loner

Aug 24 19:24

techuser

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➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (UDPATED): StarFive VisionFive 2 quad-core RISC-V SBC launched for $46 and up (Crowdfunding) (UPDATED) ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/StarFive_VisionFive_2_quad_core_RISC_V_SBC_launched_for_46_and_.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/StarFive_VisionFive_2_quad_core_RISC_V_SBC_launched_for_46_and_.gmi ∎

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — StarFive VisionFive 2 quad-core RISC-V SBC launched for $46 and up (Crowdfunding) (UPDATED)

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DevSpace 6: Client-only developer tool for cloud-native development with Kubernetes - Help Net Security ⚓ https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/08/24/devspace-6-kubernetes/ ䷉ Source: Help Net Security | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/08/24/devspace-6-kubernetes/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | DevSpace 6: Client-only developer tool for cloud-native development with Kubernetes - Help Net Security

https://youtu.be/kF6qUh3T9KE

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Hyping up GC, as usual, while openly and shamelessly promoting ciphers with back doors in them! https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/24/preparing-critical-infrastructure-post-quantum-cryptography

Aug 24 19:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Preparing Critical Infrastructure for Post-Quantum Cryptography | CISA

Aug 24 19:27

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It is widely known that those who exit the hospitals (alive afterwards, not in a body bag) have life-long or long-term damage. It happens most of the time. Those who survive don’t live too well. So we’re not actually solving the problem. We just test less to blind ourselves to the problem. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/24/hospitalisation-totals-doubled/

Aug 24 19:27

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➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Wii U emulator Cemu 2.0 out, goes open source and gets Linux support ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Wii_U_emulator_Cemu_2_0_out_goes_open_source_and_gets_Linux_sup.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Wii_U_emulator_Cemu_2_0_out_goes_open_source_and_gets_Linux_sup.gmi ∎

Aug 24 19:34

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — Wii U emulator Cemu 2.0 out, goes open source and gets Linux support

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phanes

mjg59_, how's my foghorn leghorn impression getting?

Aug 24 19:44

phanes

Aug 24 19:47

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Aug 24 19:47

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Aug 24 19:47

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➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 HowTos ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.2.gmi ∎

Aug 24 19:48

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — today's howtos

Aug 24 19:48

phanes

doo-dah, doo-dah

Aug 24 19:51

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➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Random things on designing a text format for book ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Random_things_on_designing_a_text_format_for_book.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Random_things_on_designing_a_text_format_for_book.gmi ∎

Aug 24 19:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — Random things on designing a text format for book

Aug 24 19:57

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frontends/va: improve enc quality interface change (!17994) · Merge requests · Mesa / mesa · GitLab ⚓ https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17994 ䷉ Source: AMD

Aug 24 19:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gitlab.freedesktop.org | frontends/va: improve enc quality interface change (!17994) · Merge requests · Mesa / mesa · GitLab

Aug 24 19:59

Ariadne

anyway i recently picked up an industrial PC for $93 that performs much better than the rpi4 it replaced ;/

Aug 24 20:08

Ariadne

the rpi4 cost twice as much too

Aug 24 20:09

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Aug 24 20:48

DaemonFC

Yes, mjg59_'s former employer sends women to fake abortion clinics. I saw an article about that the other day. A woman accidentally called one of them and then they started pleading with her to "keep the baby" and then sending harassing text messages.

Aug 24 20:52

DaemonFC

After she hung up on them.

Aug 24 20:53

DaemonFC

They don't just ask you nicely, they start blowing up your phone and then handing your info to the polive.

Aug 24 20:54

DaemonFC

*police

Aug 24 20:54

DaemonFC

It's really creepy.

Aug 24 20:54

MinceR

(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/weekend-random-randomness-7-31-22-31.jpg

Aug 24 20:55

DaemonFC

GULAG themselves said they wouldn't hand info over to the police about women seeking an abortion.

https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1561919383022313473

XRevan86

DaemonFC

In reality, they have all kinds of data and the first time there's a court order, they'll hand everything right over.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Watch Russia blame the West for Dugina's death and predict a full-on war with NATO, but listen closely: Kremlin propagandists are trying to use her demise to mobilize the population, revealing weapon production problems and a lackluster recruitment."|nitter.it

https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1562128948066123779

XRevan86

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile on Russian state TV: member of Russia's Federation Council Konstantin Dolgov claimed that Russia—the country that started the largest-scale land war in Europe in recent history—is providing safety and security for Ukraine, Europe and the entire world. Orwell is weeping."|nitter.it

https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1562166385324818433

XRevan86

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Top Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov (who boasts of not being sanctioned by the U.S.) self-identifies as a terrorist, describing what he would like for the Russian Armed Forces to do in Ukraine."|nitter.it

DaemonFC

But by floating "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" to the top, they do a lot of damage indirectly.

Aug 24 20:57

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Aug 24 20:59

DaemonFC

mjg59_ said, iirc, that he was making an effort to change Google from the inside.

Aug 24 21:00

DaemonFC

Kids in cages, handing abortion trial evidence over to the state prosecutor.

Aug 24 21:01

DaemonFC

Matthew GULAG and the Chocolate Factory

Aug 24 21:03

DaemonFC

Come with me, and you'll see, a world where kids are in incarceration, getting raped, getting killed, during the Trump administration.

Aug 24 21:04

DaemonFC

I guess GULAG pays well enough to ignore their ICE contracts.

Aug 24 21:04

CrystalMath

XRevan86: i truly wonder what that has to do with tech rights

Aug 24 21:05

DaemonFC

They have a terrible string of hiring people who have defects in their conscience, or none at all.

Aug 24 21:05

DaemonFC

Nobody with a conscience would help build something like Google.

Aug 24 21:05

DaemonFC

Then say I'm the bad guy for not liking "Uncle Keith".

Aug 24 21:06

DaemonFC

What's going on in the United States today, where nobody is doing anything about these criminals that run our government, is fundamentally the same thing that was going on in Nazi Germany.

Aug 24 21:07

DaemonFC

It's dangerous to even speak out against it, much less try to fight them.

Aug 24 21:08

DaemonFC

So people are afraid and tend to mind their own business.

Aug 24 21:08

DaemonFC

The Democrats animated the anti-abortion movement.

https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/23/a78629

XRevan86

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themoscowtimes.com | Dozens of Moscow Metro Passengers Detained on Russia Flag Day - The Moscow Times

DaemonFC

I can tell you what forcing taxpayers to pay for it in Illinois did.

https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/23/a78633

XRevan86

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themoscowtimes.com | Yandex Reaches ‘Binding’ Deal to Divest News Service, Homepage to VK - The Moscow Times

DaemonFC

It had implications outside of Illinois, for sure.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/24/1118879917/student-loan-forgiveness-biden

DaemonFC

The anti-abortion movement got a shot in the arm, because the government was seen as moving from neutral on the issue to encouraging people to have it done and even paying for it.

Aug 24 21:10

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Is that what bothers you?

Aug 24 21:10

CrystalMath

XRevan86: well, i'm bothered by your terrible opinion, but if i keep responding to it, we will fill up the channel with stuff that has nothing to do with tech rights

Aug 24 21:11

MinceR

curious, that wasn't a problem before

Aug 24 21:11

CrystalMath

i pretty much didn't respond for months until a few days ago

Aug 24 21:11

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Biden to cancel up to $10K in student loan debt for borrowers making under $125K : NPR

DaemonFC

Pocahontas back at it again.

DaemonFC

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, also of Massachusetts, highlighted the ways Biden's plan could help address racial inequalities: "Because Black Americans borrow more money to go to school, borrow more money in school and have a harder time paying their debt off after school, the President's action will also help narrow the racial wealth gap in the United States among borrowers."

DaemonFC

If blacks are having more trouble paying the loans back it means they studied something that didn't help them and/or didn't do very well at it.

Aug 24 21:18

MinceR

or that they were poorer to begin with

Aug 24 21:18

DaemonFC

Regardless, this is more election year vote buying.

Aug 24 21:18

DaemonFC

He expects his party to do very badly at the polls, so he just starts tossing out helicopter money at idiots who went to school and still didn't make anything of themselves and that's why they can't pay their loan back.

Aug 24 21:19

DaemonFC

And then he makes sure the "moratorium" goes on past the election so the remaining payments won't start back up in time to anger voters.

Aug 24 21:20

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Aug 24 21:20

loner

still, can't wrap my head around GNU binutils and assembly language

Aug 24 21:23

loner

i see no way to avoid them, GNU binutils, vendor specific and gas specific assembly

Aug 24 21:26

*MinceR passes gas

Aug 24 21:30

loner

one test case, for example, statically compiled/linked dietlibc+toybox and some development utilities, provides a complete *nix development system

DaemonFC

MinceR, Don't mind Bill Gates.

loner

i mean, with a tcc-toolchain, this compiles in a few minutes, the entire toolchain and cross-compiler maintenance would be much simpler than GNU or LLVM

DaemonFC

He's just here to meter that.

https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/liberal-hysteria.jpg

DaemonFC

He flew in on his private jet this morning.

Aug 24 21:32

loner

for example dietlibc# find . | grep '\.S$' | cat -n ... that's almost 700 asm files, which i bet almost none could be digested without binutils gas

Aug 24 21:34

DaemonFC

Aug 24 21:34

loner

dietlibc/arm# arm-tcc -I../include/ -I../ start.S

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loner

arm-features.h:57: error: known instruction expected ... puff, bam... all over the place

loner

i mean, dietlibc is just one example (musl, uclibc, glibc, all of them are cluttered)

loner

just picked dietlibc, because it's the smallest i knew

Aug 24 21:36

loner

and as soon as GNU/binutils are involved, the horror show begins elsewhere too (autotools/automake to name one)

Aug 24 21:36

DaemonFC

Look at the catastrophe that unfolded the other day because glibc people redefined what an ABI-breaking change means.

Aug 24 21:37

DaemonFC

They must have been inspired by Biden's recession.

Aug 24 21:37

loner

it's wrecked, and a knee-jerk

Aug 24 21:37

loner

and the problem isn't if GNU and their sponsors want to "innovate" and blow up everything

DaemonFC

If glibc people are going to break glibc and not worry about what's linked to it, then why not just change your distribution's C library and be done with it?

loner

problem is, the tiny niche of what i am looking for was crushed by them too

loner

ireversible, beyond repair

loner

because, if you backtrack this, to something acceptable, you'll arrive at mos6502/z80 and earlier era computing

Aug 24 21:39

loner

seems to me, GNU and whoever, they still seem to be proud of the wreckage they produced

Aug 24 21:39

loner

and grant each other awards and whatnot

DaemonFC

I raised an eyebrow at Ariadne's Alpine Linux thing.

Ariadne

what "thing"

DaemonFC

I think they changed to one of those "less bloated" C libraries.

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Ariadne

"changed"

DaemonFC

I used to roll my eyes because everyone has a small C library and they never end up being compatible with glibc.

loner

i consider Alpine Linux among the least problematic

DaemonFC

But if glibc isn't going to be compatible with its own ABI, fuck glibc.

Ariadne

DaemonFC: compatibility with GNU/Linux is not a goal of alpine

XRevan86

activelow changed the nickname again: heureka → loner

Ariadne

that is like asking OpenBSD to be compatible with FreeBSD

DaemonFC

I don't know how compatible the BSDs are with each other.

DaemonFC

I've never been a BSD user. I tried to install PC-BSD 6 once because they told me it was really easy to use and had binary packages and everything, which you just installed and that was that.

Aug 24 21:42

DaemonFC

But it had no network driver for my onboard ethernet.

Aug 24 21:42

DaemonFC

I got much further along with Solaris than I did with BSD because Solaris installed and had drivers for my hardware.

Aug 24 21:42

DaemonFC

If mjg59_ wasn't such a shill he'd admit Windows is what I said it was.

Aug 24 21:43

DaemonFC

An OS should have lots of drivers. Unfortunately, Windows is a really bad OS and even the driver model is irredeemably fucked.

Aug 24 21:43

loner

thing is, i can set AS=binutils-gas in a few minutes, and compile/link my entire distro with tcc-toolchain already

Aug 24 21:43

loner

however, i am not willing to compromise, because libc is among the most critical components everything else depends on

Aug 24 21:44

DaemonFC

Most other operating systems are generally well designed (at least much better than Windows), but whether they have drivers are not is an entirely different story.

Aug 24 21:44

loner

another option, bootstrappable.org patched both tcc and musl-libc-1.x, for i386, yet this is another compromise i am not willing to accept, to exclusively vendor lock against x86

DaemonFC

There's really only a few things the user looks at in an OS. Does it perform well? Does it run my hardware? Does it run my software? Can I actually get this thing installed at all?

DaemonFC

I don't like IBM but I have Fedora because it ticks those boxes.

loner

and re-implementing binutils gas into tcc-toolchain, is both very much effort, and it too contradicts the entire design philosophy of tcc

loner

in the end, GNU -> no "freedom of choice"

Aug 24 21:46

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Aug 24 21:46

DaemonFC

You could say Windows runs a lot of programs, that's certainly true.

Aug 24 21:47

DaemonFC

But it fails my other tests. It doesn't run well, it has all kinds of driver errors and bugs. Half the time the print system doesn't work at all.

Aug 24 21:48

DaemonFC

The security is not actual security, it's just designed to make a lot of noise about "security".

Aug 24 21:48

DaemonFC

What mjg59_ calls security is what my spouse calls "corned beef".

Aug 24 21:49

DaemonFC

I say I want to make a brisket in the pressure cooker, he goes "Why don't you just get a can of Armour courned beef?".

Aug 24 21:49

loner

well yes, i would want to ask and talk with competent GNU developers

Aug 24 21:50

loner

i feel somewhat betrayed, by what's advertised as "free software" by them, GNU/FSF/Mapple

Aug 24 21:51

loner

and more important, i consider the type of software and design philosophy _dangerous_

Aug 24 21:52

loner

of cause it's not specific to "free software", Mapple and IBM MICROS~1 are wrecked too

Aug 24 21:52

loner

however, with "free software" i was misguided to think, a chance remained to salvage at least some of it

Aug 24 21:53

loner

yet, vendor-specific and GNU specific gas assembly prevent just that

Aug 24 21:53

loner

furthermore, "competition", i didn't intend to interfere with their business prospects, the target audience for the type of system i envisioned remained small anyway

Aug 24 21:54

loner

nonetheless, with their anti-competitive agenda they wrecked my tiny niche too

Aug 24 21:55

DaemonFC

Actual security and mjg59_ security is the difference between a nice Italian restaurant that costs $100 a person and my ex, John, coming home and flinging his socks and underwear across the room and microwaving a bowl of Chef Boyardee Ravioli and dumping a cup of Kraft parmesan cheese on it.

Aug 24 21:59

DaemonFC

There's a little bit of a difference.

Aug 24 21:59

DaemonFC

And that's like, what we're seeing from the GNU project lately with their software.

Aug 24 21:59

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Aug 24 22:00

DaemonFC

Enemies of Free Software have persuaded maintainers to go into revolt against not only Free Software concepts and ideals, but also basic code quality and commitments to support what you've added in the past when you need it for support with a standard or something that a lot of software went ahead and depended on.

Aug 24 22:00

DaemonFC

It's important to make sure you're not breaking tons of software that people actually use, which is not even old.

Aug 24 22:01

DaemonFC

And they WON'T even promise to do that anymore.

Aug 24 22:01

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Aug 24 22:02

DaemonFC

So the situation we get is the one schestowitz[TR] linked to the other day.

Aug 24 22:03

DaemonFC

"Win32 is the only stable ABI on Linux".

Aug 24 22:03

DaemonFC

This should not be true, but thanks to glibc, they're right!

Aug 24 22:04

DaemonFC

If the glibc people drop something, and Wine gets broken, and adapts, the Windows programs will work again.

Aug 24 22:04

DaemonFC

It would be ideal if someone would (1) fork glibc (2) fix it up as well as possible (3) have compatibility guarantees, such as adding back DT_HASH.

loner

in the end, all of them are cluttered with vendor-specific and GNU gas syntax

https://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html

loner

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.etalabs.net | Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux

DaemonFC

The resource savings for dropping DT_HASH aren't big enough to land on anyone's radar.

Aug 24 22:09

DaemonFC

This change was completely fucking useless and stupid.

Aug 24 22:09

DaemonFC

It's like how no engineer would have designed an evaporative emissions ssytem for a car because you're putting in $2,000 worth of shit that can break and saving a couple gallons of gasoline per YEAR.

Aug 24 22:10

DaemonFC

Design By Politician

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loner

would be interesting to see, how much of the GNU userspace and other software could be used with dietlibc

DaemonFC

You're savign 16 KB of space for the glibc Shared Object.

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DaemonFC

How big is glibc now?

loner

see the link: complete .a set 2MiB, .so set is 8MiB ... it's insanely huge

DaemonFC

Yes, so 16 KB saves you nothing.

DaemonFC

At this point, you may as well just be compatible.

DaemonFC

mjg59_ is demonstrably wrong about the security of JavaScript.

Aug 24 22:13

DaemonFC

In fact, it's so easy to prove him wrong that it's the best way to handle untrusted code that all you need to do is point him as WebKit security alerts, or Mozilla SpiderMonkey ones after they declassify them of course, and V8.

Aug 24 22:14

DaemonFC

They spring all sorts of leaks.

Aug 24 22:14

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Aug 24 22:14

DaemonFC

The People's Republic of China used one in JavaScriptCore (WebKit) a couple of years ago to spy on dissidents and install malware on their computers after tricking them into visiting a site.

Aug 24 22:15

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Aug 24 22:15

DaemonFC

And since there's no way to turn JavaScript off in Safari, it's guaranteed to work if you can find something like that and exploit it.

Aug 24 22:15

loner

the solution to Javascript is only this: entire removal

Ariadne

ironically, musl continues to support DT_HASH :)

DaemonFC

Your best bet on GNU/Linux is to make sure that if you use any browser to (1) install updates immediately and (2) disable JavaScript and use it only as needed.

DaemonFC

90% of the domains that load JavaScript on a site don't do anything to help you.

DaemonFC

As a rule of thumb.

DaemonFC

That makes them a liability.

Aug 24 22:17

Ariadne

(though i wonder if DaemonFC actually knows what DT_HASH and DT_GNU_HASH are/do ;))

Aug 24 22:17

techrights-ipfs-bot

https://flapenguin.me/elf-dt-hash

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ELF: symbol lookup via DT_HASH | flapenguin.me

DaemonFC

I think this explains it pretty well.

DaemonFC

So glibc has violated the ELF standard if I'm understanding this correctly?

Ariadne

yes

DaemonFC

It should always support DT_HASH as a failback even if there's a superior hash table format available like the GNU one.

Ariadne

though, there are some arguably good reasons to do so. DT_HASH has a lot of problems

Ariadne

however, i agree that it's not worth breaking ABI compatibility over

DaemonFC

This is one of those "Why would you even do that?" facepalm moments.

DaemonFC

As far as I'm concerned.

Ariadne

if i were to build a new ecosystem, i would probably only bother with DT_GNU_HASH

DaemonFC

Programs don't HAVE to use the slower ELF implementation.

Ariadne

but technically DT_HASH *is* required by the spec

Ariadne

and the spec is unlikely to be updated

DaemonFC

It's just that some of them do, and those are usually incompetent developers or ones that target other *nix systems and don't want to write two implementations.

DaemonFC

Of course the spec is unlikely to be updated.

DaemonFC

It's over 20 years old.

Ariadne

the ELF specification was written by the TIS group in the 90s, and that group is long disbanded

DaemonFC

If you were designing a new binary format today, you'd definitely change some of these things.

Ariadne

though the linux foundation have a nice copy of the spec ;)

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Ariadne

i dunno, i think ELF is mostly fine

DaemonFC

But since everyone is using ELF and it would be so painful to get rid of that we're talking impossible, implement ELF!

Ariadne

though some things are unnecessarily complicated

DaemonFC

If you want to do cool non-conformant GNU-ish things on the side that are some optional code path, do that.

Aug 24 22:25

DaemonFC

I think that DT_GNU_HASH is a good idea and the documentation should reflect "DO NOT USE DT_HASH IN NEW APPLICATIONS! It is considered deprecated, and it does not perform well!".

Aug 24 22:26

DaemonFC

I mean, software is full of these situations, you know.

Aug 24 22:26

Ariadne

ELF beats COFF, hands down, but OSF/1 Mach-O was better

Aug 24 22:26

Ariadne

sadly AT&T and Sun made ELF a royalty-free standard and so OSF/1 switched to ELF

Ariadne

well, some variants of OSF/1 anyway

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Ariadne

macOS is using Mach-O still

DaemonFC

By the time we're at a point where we could do this and absolutely nobody would probably mind, it'll be 20 years from now, and computers will have 128 GB of RAM in your laptop and nobody gives a shit, and it might as well stay there even then.

DaemonFC

Like, there are arguments like this from 2002 where back then something was unbelievably bloated and shitty.

Aug 24 22:28

DaemonFC

And folks wanted to remove it then.

Aug 24 22:28

DaemonFC

And now it's still there, and nobody cares. Why?

Aug 24 22:28

DaemonFC

PCs don't ship with single core Pentium 4s and 128-256 MB of RAM anymore.

Aug 24 22:29

loner

512MiB were common at that time already

Aug 24 22:29

loner

and, the raspberry zero 1.3 still operates at that level of resources available

Aug 24 22:29

DaemonFC

Walmart PCs were still shipping 128 MB and XP.

*DaemonFC shudders

phanes

>I think they changed to one of those "less bloated" C libraries | no, they changed to musl because building a sysroot with glibc is a ginormous pain in the ass that requires deep specialization -- thats why they're busybox instead of a proper userspace

DaemonFC

That's like 4 GB and Windows 11 today.

DaemonFC

Someone will make a really horrible computer to hit a price point.

loner

however, software quality... i mean, try to reverse engineer some 1MiB BIOS.ROM blob... tell me when you're done with it...

*loner waits

Ariadne

phanes: you can get gnu coreutils on alpine just fine, or any other userspace you want

phanes

Ariadne, you can install packages to build other things but you can't get a glibc-based system -- compiling glibc is not hard. building a glibc world is.

Ariadne

you can even run gnu coreutils on solaris :D

Ariadne

phanes: yeah, glibc build process is a nightmare

Ariadne

at work, we are building a glibc distribution that is alpine-like

Ariadne

and there is a lot of glibc stuff that is just undocumented

Aug 24 22:32

phanes

i take like 6 months off at a time playing with it so that i don't rage out and become the wandering golem of linux

Aug 24 22:32

Ariadne

even when consulting LFS as reference, it is like "you have to do this, we have no idea why"

Aug 24 22:32

phanes

Ariadne, their devs are the same way, they just copy the last version and with the exception of a couple of the elderly they dont know why they do what they do anymore either

Aug 24 22:33

Ariadne

anyway, alpine intentionally is outside of gnu/linux sphere because of this stuff ;D

Aug 24 22:34

phanes

they even changed their culture to be "we dont provide support for deviations from the book, yadda yadda, we're not a 'build your own distro' project, we're a 'build lfs project' yadda yadda" which was not a case with their old guard -- wasn't that way until ubuntu sent in ikonia to gut them out

Aug 24 22:34

loner

i simply see no reasonable solution to the ASM problems within _all_ libc

Aug 24 22:34

Ariadne

and, there is `gcompat` on alpine which does a reasonable job at running glibc programs

Ariadne

it's basically like WINE, but for glibc

phanes

ew is that an EFI type monstrosity

loner

bootstrappable.org made some progress with some musl-1.x version for i386, nonetheless, vendor-lock against i386... no.

Ariadne

gcompat, actually works pretty well

Aug 24 22:36

Ariadne

people run vscode and spotify in it

Aug 24 22:36

Ariadne

only thing that doesn't work reliably yet is nvidia drivers

Aug 24 22:36

Ariadne

personally, not terribly interested in running binary blobs though

DaemonFC

I'm definitely going to try out GhostBSD at some point on my older laptop.

Ariadne

the only thing i use gcompat with is the management utility for my RAID card

DaemonFC

I'm getting really annoyed with what's going on with GNU.

phanes

that whole paradigm might shift soon, i think the nvidia drivers were released open source

Ariadne

the kernel module was

Ariadne

most of the IP is now locked up in firmware

DaemonFC

It's exceptionally petty.

Ariadne

like AMD

DaemonFC

They don't just violate standards, they give developers no choice.

DaemonFC

Like we're going to cut off the standards compliant mode and if you don't change, your app just won't work so hahaha.

Ariadne

i am surprised they haven't done it sooner tbh

DaemonFC

That's the exact same mindset that IBM has.

phanes

man why yall hate on ibm so much

phanes

they dont seem to be evil tbh

DaemonFC

Even though they say they won't fund GNU anymore because they had to make up allegations of bigotry against Richard Stallman.

Ariadne

why would GNU people care about running binary blobs

Ariadne

it's not free software

DaemonFC

I think Stallman is not that well versed in politics, and I think his opinions on the economy are a disaster.

DaemonFC

But he's not a bigot.

phanes

now project leaders at RH is a different story. theyve done some evil shit. but their parent company is completely agnostic of that whole endeavour.

Ariadne

i don't know about that

Ariadne

IBM tried to kill big-endian POWER use on linux

Ariadne

with their ELFv2 specification

DaemonFC

Well, when Stallman said "We're defaulting to some sort of non-POSIX mode" he laid out the argument from the beginning, rationalized it, and introduced a "POSIX Mode" flag.

DaemonFC

That you could set in scripts or even start BASH with.

phanes

let's call it what it is: big-endian energy

DaemonFC

This change to glibc is more like a terrorist attack.

Ariadne

well, there are reasons to run in BE on servers rather than LE

Ariadne

for example, network stacks run faster

phanes

that aren't legacy compatibility related?

DaemonFC

DT_HASH was removed with no warning and there's no override to make it come back.

Ariadne

all of TCP/IP is big-endian, on LE it has to flip the byte order, and that does have overhead

Aug 24 22:42

Ariadne

though these days it probably doesn't matter

Aug 24 22:42

DaemonFC

Ariadne, Yes, speaking of Apple, their design decisions are just all over the place. Like when they made an incompatible version of AIFF for absolutely no reason instead of just flipping the byte order on playback on x86 systems.

phanes

im just saying big blue doesn't try to destroy people, they try to make money. big red tried to destroy people.

DaemonFC

And the way they did it, by abusing AIFF-C.

DaemonFC

They claim the file is a compressed AIFF, but it's not.

DaemonFC

Inside, there's a pseudo-compressed version with a different magic number, which has the byte order reversed, and is otherwise a normal AIFF file buried inside an AIFF file like some sort of crazy Inception bullshit.

Aug 24 22:44

DaemonFC

I recall running into one of these fucking things on Linux right after Apple did that.

Aug 24 22:44

DaemonFC

And the player couldn't make sense of it and told me the file was corrupt.

Aug 24 22:45

Ariadne

redhat tried to destroy whom, exactly

Aug 24 22:45

Ariadne

(seriously, i don't know anything about this)

Aug 24 22:45

Ariadne

DaemonFC: i think mach-o is a better format than ELF in a lot of ways though

Aug 24 22:46

DaemonFC

mjg59_, is on his shitter calling for CrimeFlare to drop something called Kiwi Farms, but curiously not calling on them to deplatform the Taliban.

Aug 24 22:46

Ariadne

for example, it does not have `.strtab`

DaemonFC

Curiouser and curiouser.

Ariadne

DaemonFC: kiwifarms is a doxing site that targets queer people and especially queer children

Ariadne

just, you know, for reference

DaemonFC

So they should be raided by the FBI, which Crimeflare also hosts.

DaemonFC

;)

Ariadne

besides, kiwifarms seems very offline all day

Aug 24 22:48

DaemonFC

I don't think that Crimeflare should be in control of who they shut down, I think the government is asleep at the switch and Mr. GULAG is calling on the wrong people to shut down Kiwi Farms.

Aug 24 22:48

loner

dietlibc only supports static linking; yet the ASM issue blocks any further effort anyway, with whatever i decided to do

Aug 24 22:48

Ariadne

DaemonFC: people are calling on commercial intervention *because* the government is asleep at the switch *and* people are being materially harmed

DaemonFC

"In 2013, American video game developer Chloe Sagal became a Kiwi Farms target after Eurogamer reported Sagal's Indiegogo crowdfunding campaign had been flagged for "suspicious activity". Sagal had raised over $30,000 on the platform for metal poisoning treatment to remove shrapnel from a car accident, but Eurogamer reported that Sagal had actually intended to use the proceeds for sex reassignment surgery. Sagal later died via self-immolation

DaemonFC

on June 19, 2018,[22][23] which several reports attributed to years of harassment from Kiwi Farms."

DaemonFC

Sounds like there were a lot of mental health problems going on here.

Ariadne

yes

Ariadne

they find people

DaemonFC

And lying about what you're raising money for is criminal fraud.

Ariadne

who are having mental health issues

Ariadne

and then dox and harass them

loner

i mean, dietlibc+toybox statically compiled/linked with a tcc-toolchain... that would be another test-run, if...

DaemonFC

If true, of course, being dead kind of means nobody will ever investigate that allegation.

Ariadne

DaemonFC: regardless, it is not the place of The Internet(tm) to be vigilante investigators

DaemonFC

Gonad the Barbarian's wife Anita used to go around Huntington with a collection jar saying she was raising money for the medical bills of a young child who was the victim of a car accident.

Ariadne

anyway

DaemonFC

And there was no child and it became one more thing the local police busted her ass for.

loner

i would re-integrate an entire distribution from scratch, if... the ASM problem could be solved

DaemonFC

Every town's got a few of these people.

DaemonFC

Probably even mjg59_'s hometown.

loner

yet, i am not willing to lock against GNU binutils (or whatever LLVM does)

loner

and i am not willing to lock against x86 either

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR] mentioned that I've been repeatedly traumatized. Many people have had it so much worse, I mean. I could have had it so much worse.

Aug 24 22:52

DaemonFC

You go back a generation or two....

Aug 24 22:52

DaemonFC

There were people who got drafted and ended up in Vietnam, or Korea.

Aug 24 22:52

DaemonFC

That's trauma.

loner

hence, currently, i proceed with some cleanup tasks, and freeze at gcc47/binutils-2.22, no more toolchain upgrades

DaemonFC

That was a great and terrible evil.

loner

another minor task, removal of libtoolize from the build system, slibtool fully replaced libtool already, except for some clutter inside gentoo-portage calling libtool, which i'll remove next

Ariadne

hmm, interesting. 1776 Hosting ASN is now withdrawn for all announcements. maybe that means fiberhub did get a court order to shut it down.

DaemonFC

All because of some dueling economic systems.

loner

without libtool, i think there isn't any dependency against /bin/bash remaining

Aug 24 22:54

DaemonFC

The trauma it inflicted on the people that went is only half the picture. They have people like my dad who didn't even go and those are the people who support war.

Aug 24 22:54

DaemonFC

People who figure out ways to not go.

Aug 24 22:54

loner

i too removed all GNU gettext already, as build-dep and run-dep... not sure what it was, gettext had to be removed

phanes

Ariadne, its absolutely the place of the internet to be vigilante investigators

loner

then, i had to downgrade to perl 5.8.6 too, to compile/link with arm-tcc... there isn't any excess perl dependencies remaining anymore either

Ariadne

phanes: in some cases, but i don't think doxing children is included in that

phanes

court rooms are just one place justice is prone to be found, but its not foolproof and things slip through the cracks

Ariadne

or swatting

Ariadne

documenting things is journalism, swatting people is not

phanes

no of course not

phanes

none of that is okay

phanes

and thepeople who do it need to become famous

Ariadne

i guess what i am saying is that what kiwifarms does is not legitimate investigative reporting

DaemonFC

This debt forgiveness is a slap in my face.

DaemonFC

Not just the people who paid back their loans.

DaemonFC

It's also a slap in my face. I was told if I went I'd rack up all kinds of debt at horrible interest rates with no guarantees, and planned according to that. And now these people get a free pass but I'd still have to pay if I went.

phanes

what debt forgiveness

DaemonFC

"student loan forgiveness"

Ariadne

hasn't passed yet

DaemonFC

Vote them out!

DaemonFC

That's it goddamn it. That's it.

Ariadne

what is "it"

Aug 24 22:58

phanes

no way, i want relief from a predatory system that exploited my desire to better myself in my youth

Aug 24 22:58

DaemonFC

Fucking freeloaders.

Aug 24 22:58

Ariadne

DaemonFC: if they forgave the debt and gave you credit for your payments, would you be happy

DaemonFC

No!

phanes

if college were priced affordably it would be different -- its like medical, you should be able to just walk into a college or a hospital and get your brain or heart upgraded

DaemonFC

I want the same deal they got!

phanes

same for mental health services

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DaemonFC

$20,000 credit towards if I go to school now.

Ariadne

DaemonFC: yes, that is what i am saying, you paid your student loans off, so you get $20k off on your taxes

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DaemonFC

I didn't have any loans.

DaemonFC

If I took on new ones today, I'd have to pay them all back.

phanes

then take your privileged ass to a wealth management firm instead

DaemonFC

These people get freebies because the Democrats are about to lose the election.

Ariadne

are they

Ariadne

i feel like the other guys tried to violently overthrow the government, and that probably isn't going to reflect well in the polls

DaemonFC

The Democrats are definitely going to lose the House.

Ariadne

i mean, it was only live on television

DaemonFC

The Senate is 50/50.

DaemonFC

Biden is less popular than Trump.

phanes

Special K saves the day: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/unix-legend-who-owes-us-nothing-keeps-fixing-foundational-awk-code/

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Ariadne

i know somebody who wrote an irc bot in awk

DaemonFC

In 2024, I think Biden will either announce he's not running or lose to Trump if he does.

phanes

>i feel like the other guys tried to violently overthrow the government, and that probably isn't going to reflect well in the polls | this

DaemonFC

People have had enough of this hyperinflation and losing their jobs and $6 gas and grocery bills and rent going up 50% in two years.

DaemonFC

Nobody wants this government to continue unless they're so on the dole that they don't pay for anything anyway.

phanes

had enough? no, no, no. its going to get way worse

loner

DaemonFC: energy prices in USA are ridiculously cheap still

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DaemonFC

Or so rich that they see the problems as a trifling nuisance.

DaemonFC

mjg59_ probably isn't affected too much.

DaemonFC

San Francisco was already expensive as all hell to begin with.

phanes

we're looking at venezuela level inflation potentially if we're not careful

DaemonFC

If you're living there, you obviously don't care about money.

phanes

ole ariadne's gonna be selling paper dolls made out of 1000 dollar bills off the curb to buy groceries

phanes

if they don't hike interest rates i mean

Ariadne

phanes: i have 1 million dollar bills

Ariadne

from zimbabwe

Ariadne

phanes

Ariadne, what is that, like 5 USD

Ariadne

not even

Ariadne

it is like $0.10

phanes

lol

DaemonFC

So far the only program we've qualified for under Biden is the Affordable Community Broadband.

DaemonFC

And even then, only because our income for the entire year was like $200 below the cutoff.

Ariadne

means-testing is bullshit

DaemonFC

Meanwhile, everyone else gets $20,000 of student loan forgiveness.

Ariadne

not everyone else

Ariadne

everyone who made less than $100k

DaemonFC

$1000 a month in food stamps.

DaemonFC

Free rent.

Ariadne

both of these are false

phanes

i love how the world's 1% mostly still qualify for debt forgiveness because we're basing it off bookable income

Ariadne

god bless the 83(b) election

phanes

the truly rich don't make more than 20k a year

DaemonFC

Part of the reason we qualified for the Affordable Community Broadband was because I stuffed so much money in Mandy's 401(k) to take advantage of the other tax credits.

Ariadne

this income isn't real, it's *speculative*

DaemonFC

And that all comes out pre-tax, so it doesn't reflect on the Total Income line, which is what they use for programs.

DaemonFC

You really can't afford not to fund your 401(k) if you're lower to lower middle income.

Aug 24 23:07

Ariadne

lol? how much are you making where maxing out your 401(k) contribution lets you get tax credits

Aug 24 23:07

DaemonFC

If you stuff a lot of money in it you can actually get pretty much all of it back through the tax code or something somewhere else, AND the retirement money is still yours to keep.

Aug 24 23:07

DaemonFC

<Ariadne> lol? how much are you making where maxing out your 401(k) contribution lets you get tax credits

DaemonFC

There's some quirks in the tax code.

DaemonFC

This lets us make over $50,000 and only pay the IRS $46 for the entire year in Income Tax.

Ariadne

personal 401(k) contributions are capped at $20,500

DaemonFC

It's all legal.

DaemonFC

No, maxing the employer match and the SAVERS Credit, Ariadne

DaemonFC

I figured out how to take the SAVERS Credit at the 50% rate.

DaemonFC

It's a good deal.

phanes

my match is like 7k lol

phanes

cant even buy old people diapers for that

DaemonFC

The SAVERS Credit is maxed at $1,000.

DaemonFC

So if you take it at the 50% rate, you have to put $2,000 in your 401(k) to get the full value.

DaemonFC

If it's at the 20% rate, you need to put in $5,000 to get the full value.

DaemonFC

It it's the 10% rate, you need to put in $10,000 to take the full value.

Ariadne

i see

Ariadne

i have a person for this

DaemonFC

But it's a good deal because it cancels out your annual tax debt $1:$1

Ariadne

one of those wealth management people

Ariadne

a fiduciary

DaemonFC

So last year, we only owed $46 to the IRS in income tax.

DaemonFC

They ended up having to return everything else that was withheld from us. B-)

Ariadne

dunno, sounds like the government is doing you pretty well then

DaemonFC

I find (legal) ways to fuck them.

Ariadne

why are you complaining about benefits programs that are means-tested to far less than $50k pre-tax income

Ariadne

when you only pay $46 in income tax

*Ariadne shrugs

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DaemonFC

Because I think it's funny. The government created most of my problems/.

DaemonFC

Now it can sit back and watch as they pay us more, overall, than I pay them, because of what they did to me.

Aug 24 23:13

DaemonFC

Ariadne, I argued in bankruptcy court to discharge most of the fine from the criminal court.

Aug 24 23:14

DaemonFC

I successfully argued that all but $75 were "assessments" that were "totally unrelated to punishing me", such as "contributions to police pension funds".

Aug 24 23:14

Ariadne

do you feel as if you paid your debt to society, then?

Aug 24 23:15

DaemonFC

So the bankruptcy court ripped it up.

Aug 24 23:15

DaemonFC

Then I took the discharge letter and a check for $75 to the probation department and she's like "What the fuck is this?".

Aug 24 23:15

DaemonFC

Ariadne, I don't care. Fuck em. The difference is what it's costing me to expunge it.

XRevan86

CrystalMath: My opinion is not the same as the terrible opinion demonstrated in the clips with Russian propagandists.

DaemonFC

Serves them right.

phanes

im considering saving up a year's income, and having a firm pay it to me the next year and living off that, while my paychecks from that year on go to them

DaemonFC

Ariadne, You think I'm some kind of putz that takes shit that people try to dump on me laying down?

DaemonFC

Hell no!

DaemonFC

I'll fight them for the goddamned paper plates!

Ariadne

i don't know what i think

Aug 24 23:17

Ariadne

tbh

Aug 24 23:17

DaemonFC

(I picked up that saying from an ex who was talking about his divorce proceedings.)

Aug 24 23:17

DaemonFC

Ariadne, For a while I was listening to some of those self-help tapes in the car.

DaemonFC

You know the sort, where the person has you repeat affirmations from the tape.

DaemonFC

My favorite of course is "I refuse to be a victim.".

DaemonFC

That's a simple one, but it's a good one.

DaemonFC

When people are taking a shit on you, look in the mirror and say it. "I refuse to be a victim.".

Ariadne

i mean, if neuro-linguistic programming is your jam, i don't judge

DaemonFC

Then do something about it.

Ariadne

NLP is largely bunk though ;)

DaemonFC

Says who?

MinceR

24 224752 < DaemonFC> You could say Windows runs a lot of programs, that's certainly true.

MinceR

many of them you don't even want, and might not even know about :>

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DaemonFC

I think the world would be better if more people adopted that mindset.

DaemonFC

"I refuse to be a victim."

Ariadne

DaemonFC: pretty much all modern research psychology

DaemonFC

Because nothing will get better for you when you don't assert yourself and start fixing your own problems and expect someone else will come do it for you if you just keep complaining loudly enough.

Ariadne

the key thing is not the NLP then, but the actual action which follows

DaemonFC

Well, yeah.

DaemonFC

But you need to be in the right frame of mind to accept that.

Ariadne

but again, if it motivates you to take action, then fine ;)

DaemonFC

When disaster happens, you panic, you despair. You do all of these things.

DaemonFC

And then if you're smart, you'll develop the kind of hatred and anger and motivation that pulls you back up out of the sewer.

Ariadne

some do, i do not. i recognize and solve problems proactively.

phanes

I don't

phanes

when disaster strikes I take names

DaemonFC

Anger can be constructive. Depression isn't constructive.

mjg59_

And assign them to yourself

phanes

I practice forgiveness if it's not life-altering, but once I bite, I never, ever let go until whatever is in my teeth belongs to me.

DaemonFC

Depression gets you stuck in a loop where you don't accomplish any of the things you need to in order to go on and survive.

DaemonFC

Maybe it's unavoidable that you'll be depressed for a while. It's natural. What's unnatural is for it to take over your life and go on for years and years.

DaemonFC

My aunt never broke that cycle after Keith had his crisis play out.

DaemonFC

And look what it did to her.

phanes

Sometimes it takes years. I put it down for months at a time. But I always come back.

DaemonFC

It ruined her beautiful home.

DaemonFC

It led her to spend all of her money escaping into fantasy (Disney vacations).

DaemonFC

If she had drawn a line in the sand and said "I refuse to be a victim." she could have found her way out of that.

Aug 24 23:25

DaemonFC

She was a great person. Everyone liked her. Everyone would and could trust her entirely. And she could fight, but she only stood up for other people. Never herself.

Aug 24 23:26

DaemonFC

That was her biggest personality flaw.

Aug 24 23:26

phanes

mjg59_, speaking of biting, i noticed you got super quiet on twitter today, how come?

DaemonFC

I think on some level, what Keith did destroyed her because she let what alcoholics refer to as "stinking thinking" take over.

DaemonFC

"I'm responsible for his rejection of self."

DaemonFC

"What's wrong with me where I could have driven him to do this?"

DaemonFC

"If he won't stay with me, will anyone?"

https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2019/09/08/webkit-vulnerabilities-facilitate-human-rights-abuses/

DaemonFC

"Stinking thinking" are basically just useless thoughts of self-blame and sorrow.

Aug 24 23:28

mjg59_

phanes: New semester starts today, so I have teaching prep to do

Aug 24 23:29

phanes

mjg59_, teaching a course on accountability soon, are we?

Aug 24 23:30

DaemonFC

mjg59_, So I'm interested in how you reconcile your opinion that JavaShit is secure with how nation states are using it to attack people.

Aug 24 23:30

DaemonFC

Let me go pull up an example for you.

Aug 24 23:31

MinceR

24 234028 < phanes> now project leaders at RH is a different story. theyve done some evil shit. but their parent company is completely agnostic of that whole endeavour.

Aug 24 23:31

DaemonFC

Aug 24 23:31

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | WebKit Vulnerabilities Facilitate Human Rights Abuses – Michael Catanzaro's Blog

loner

is there any libc which doesn't contain vendor-specific and GNU gas specific ASM extensions, for easy assembly?

MinceR

rh's behavior did not change when ibm bought rh.

DaemonFC

Oh but it did.

MinceR

ibm even took jimmy allowhurst as their president or something for a while.

DaemonFC

It got even worse.

MinceR

also, ibm assisted nazi germany in implementing the holocaust

DaemonFC

Now they had an unlimited warchest to dump millions of lines of untested shit into systemd every year.

MinceR

and nowadays they presume to educate us about how using words like "master" is evil.

DaemonFC

And watch as it sprang horrible security holes and memory leaks.

MinceR

ibm also taught MICROS~1 how to keep and exploit monopolies

DaemonFC

mjg59_ "This is fine."

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Full escalation chains to arbitrary code execution are rare and as a result are *extremely* expensive

MinceR

24 234648 < Ariadne> DaemonFC: i think mach-o is a better format than ELF in a lot of ways though

MinceR

doesn't it have built-in DRM support?

DaemonFC

Remote DNS server can run arbitrary attack code on DNS request via systemd.

DaemonFC

"This is fantastic!"

DaemonFC

<mjg59_> DaemonFC: Full escalation chains to arbitrary code execution are rare and as a result are *extremely* expensive

mjg59_

Which means they're not used against random people - you're going to be explicitly targeted rather than risk burning a hard to replace exploit chain

DaemonFC

Governments have plenty of money to find them and pull off widescale attacks.

mjg59_

If you're likely to be a target of a state then yes, Javascript should be part of your threat model

mjg59_

But average people are simply not going to have hostile Javascript used against them in this way

DaemonFC

Isn't it best to just use NoScript and shut down most untrusted script before it's allowed to run?

loner

^ no.

DaemonFC

If not, why not?

DaemonFC

Even if it doesn't escape and run arbitrary code, it's recording you.

DaemonFC

It's tracking you.

*phanes thinks "I have a class to teach" might be mjg59_'s version of "I have to return some video tapes."

DaemonFC

It's weighing down your system.

DaemonFC

mjg59_, One of my banks uses 47 scripts from over two dozen domains.

DaemonFC

The only thing you need to run to make the bank work is first party scripts.

DaemonFC

The vast majority are tracking scripts and a session replay company.

DaemonFC

Why do I want this running in my browser?

DaemonFC

Could they move something malicious and run it first-party? Sure.

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loner

with some relatively sane browsers lynx/w3m/links etc... it's impossible to do any online banking or shopping

DaemonFC

But it's less likely to run makicious scripts if I block most of the scripts and everything from some other domain.

DaemonFC

*malicious

loner

modern browsers (chrome,webkit,moz,edge) ARE the malicious components themselves

Aug 24 23:38

DaemonFC

It's just something else you can throw in front of potential malicious code and drastically reduce the odds that some will run and do bad things.

Aug 24 23:38

loner

the only solution to this security hazards it the entire removal of those

Aug 24 23:38

loner

anyway, which "free software" libc would you recommend?

phanes

loner, yeah i remember when firefox destroyed itself forever with the Mr. Robot plugin scandal

DaemonFC

I do use text-based browsers and Gemtext proxies for a lot of things.

DaemonFC

Why do I want to run JavaShit from 50 domains and deal with autoplay crap to read the text of a recipe?

DaemonFC

mjg59_, ?

mjg59_

If you don't want to, don't

MinceR

because it's the "modern" way

MinceR

same reason why you want to boot systemd with uefi

DaemonFC

The Bullshit Web is quite, quite unpleasant.

MinceR

and run gnome on it

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DaemonFC

Here, we're going to shove 300 MB of filth down the sewer pipe so you can read 6 KB of text.

MinceR

(or, better yet, just run windows or macos)

DaemonFC

Oh what's that? Comcast charges you per GB?

DaemonFC

SORRRY!!! ;)

phanes

relax this will all be people fighting over food in the strees before you know it, then all your browser woes will be gone

DaemonFC

Basically.

phanes

if we play our cards right i mean

DaemonFC

Comcast allows 1.2 TB of bandwidth per month.

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DaemonFC

I'd rather save that for "other things" than loading 300 MB pages to get at a recipe for pork chops.

loner

with those browsers, systemd etc., at least, solutions do exist, to either remove or replace them

loner

i am not aware of any solution to the libc and ASM problem

DaemonFC

schestowitz[TR], ^

phanes

i am kinda pissed about this systemd-resolvd introduction to fedora 8 years after the fact still

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DaemonFC

I'm considering setting up a Gemini Pod as a middle finger to recipe Web sites.

phanes

they symlink /etc/resolv.conf to /run/systemd/... so that if you turn on network manager and turn off systemd-resolved your machine loses connectivity

DaemonFC

Just copy their text down and paste it into a Gemtext page, and sort them by type of food.

MinceR

phanes: you should have noticed by now that this is their general MO

MinceR

you either do everything their way or they try everything in their power to break everything for you

phanes

oh yeah its gnome and wayland in connectivity form

starstreak

<MinceR> (or, better yet, just run windows or macos) <--- so you recommend those OSes over Linux?

phanes

and uefi

phanes

to mjg59_'s credit on that, i dont think he had a malicious strategy, i think he was exploited by an employer as a useful idiot, but I wasn't there, its just from what ive noticed about how he thinks

Aug 24 23:44

MinceR

starstreak: no, i recommend them over systemd, to people who believe systemd is a good thing, since those are the paragons of "modern"ity as understood by the systemd cult.

Aug 24 23:45

MinceR

phanes: if he was exploited as a useful idiot, he should have realized that by now

Aug 24 23:45

MinceR

especially if he's as smart as he likes to think he is.

Aug 24 23:45

phanes

sort of like how's been exploited by his current social gathering to make up lies about people with the belief of impunity

Aug 24 23:46

starstreak

MinceR, I'd rather have systemd/gnome/linux over windows, windows is trash

Aug 24 23:46

loner

i would rather use DOS with MICROS~1 BASIC than either systemd/gnome/windows/max

Aug 24 23:46

starstreak

hey loner

starstreak

loner is heureka

phanes

MinceR, should have, yes. But people who get used like that usually get used like that repeatedly by multiple groups. He probably can't denounce any of it without risking a domino effect that completely inverts his situation in irreparable ways. One does have to consider one's legacy.

MinceR

starstreak: in what way is windows trash?

starstreak

MinceR, telemetry, bloat, cost, etc

MinceR

phanes: it's a legacy of shit. he should let it go if he can.

DaemonFC

I don't think he's a useful idiot.

DaemonFC

If he was useful they wouldn't have shown him out.

starstreak

mincer: i know you run windows for gaming, but some of us trust proton/steam more than windows

MinceR

starstreak: systemd/gnome/linux has most of not all of those issues

phanes

I can't describe him as intellectually or socially adept. He'd be a prime target for the types of users we have to really worry about.

MinceR

starstreak: i don't trust my important systems with games

MinceR

they aren't built to be secure

MinceR

s/st of/st if/

phanes

The intelligent don't get twitter brain.

Aug 24 23:49

starstreak

MinceR, i use gnome with dash to panel because it resembles windows 8, my favourite windows version

MinceR

starstreak: ah, so you like trash

starstreak

windows 10 is better than 7, not better than 8, but they're all trash

starstreak

i would run macOS if i could too

loner

the problem isn't GNU/FSF/GNOME tailor some "free software" for the consumerist crowd

loner

problem is, GNU lost me

loner

anyway, which "free software" libc would you recommend?

Aug 24 23:51

phanes

if you dont believe in gnu then gnu probably dont believe in you bub

Aug 24 23:51

MinceR

gnu is probably on the way out anyway

Aug 24 23:55

MinceR

they've capitulated to systemd

Aug 24 23:55

loner

systemd isn't the problem, systemd can be removed/replaced, relatively easy.

Aug 24 23:56

loner

with this at least, "freedom of choice" remained

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MinceR

distros already had problems replacing it

MinceR

and ibm/rh is digging in, making it more difficult