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| schestowitz | KDE take: v | Mar 25 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28792 | Mar 25 00:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:00 | |
| schestowitz | not strongly worded | Mar 25 00:00 |
| schestowitz | KDE Board | Mar 25 00:00 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: should have stayed in Germany like his wife | Mar 25 00:01 |
| schestowitz | went right back to the lion's cage | Mar 25 00:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: For his safety? Definitely. | Mar 25 00:01 |
| schestowitz | through an airport | Mar 25 00:01 |
| schestowitz | he'd get political asylum | Mar 25 00:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: He didn't want to help maintain the status quo. | Mar 25 00:01 |
| XRevan86 | by being yet another political refugee | Mar 25 00:02 |
| schestowitz | not sure if it was brave or utterly foolish | Mar 25 00:03 |
| schestowitz | not he can be even less effective politically | Mar 25 00:03 |
| schestowitz | unless it was to make a point | Mar 25 00:03 |
| schestowitz | and stir up protests | Mar 25 00:03 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's to take Putin on a pont | Mar 25 00:04 |
| *XRevan86 thinks how to translate that word. | Mar 25 00:04 | |
| XFaCE | *to a point? | Mar 25 00:04 |
| techrights-bot | #mozilla fires engineers (fire-fox!) and hires clueless symbols for Baker and Cult LLC. So this is what the quality of posts was reduced to... https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/what-is-an-ip-address/ | Mar 25 00:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Mozilla Explains: What is an IP address? | The Firefox Frontier | Mar 25 00:05 | |
| XRevan86 | to force his hand | Mar 25 00:05 |
| techrights-bot | #mozills is not a tech company anymore. This is sad. I want the old Mozilla and #fireofx back... https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/nandini-jammi-claire-atkin-check-my-ads/ | Mar 25 00:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | How two women are taking on the digital ad industry one brand at a time | The Firefox Frontier | Mar 25 00:06 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Notice what Lukashenko did to Tikhanovskaya | Mar 25 00:07 |
| MinceR | 25 004818 <+XFaCE> And this is why one uses F-Droid and Fennec F-Droid | Mar 25 00:07 |
| MinceR | i actually do use F-Droid | Mar 25 00:07 |
| MinceR | even though its update UI is broken | Mar 25 00:07 |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/08/that-s-why-she-s-one-of-our-leaders not about Tikhanovskaya but close enough | Mar 25 00:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/08/that-s-why-she-s-one-of-our-leaders ) | Mar 25 00:09 | |
| XRevan86 | Basically, Lukashenko forced people out of the country as a way to remove opposition leaders. | Mar 25 00:10 |
| XRevan86 | one of the means | Mar 25 00:10 |
| XRevan86 | It's definitely personally safer to take the offer. | Mar 25 00:11 |
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| XRevan86 | And it's respectable that Alexei Navalny didn't, against his personal interests. | Mar 25 00:13 |
| MinceR | respectable, but who gains from this sacrifice? | Mar 25 00:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hopefully all of us, from him stirring the nest. | Mar 25 00:15 |
| MinceR | unlikely | Mar 25 00:15 |
| MinceR | it is not stirring the nest what's needed, but killing authoritarians | Mar 25 00:16 |
| techrights-bot | #Fedora 34 Beta Run Through http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149129#comment-28794 #ibm #redhat | Mar 25 00:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcing the release of Fedora Linux 34 Beta | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:16 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's not exactly in his arsenal. | Mar 25 00:16 |
| MinceR | if it's not in the arsenal of any of us then we're doomed anyway | Mar 25 00:17 |
| techrights-bot | "This is the desktop deep dive of Plasma 5.21 full of my opinions, tweaks, suggestions and brief history with KDE Plasma." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da-rOlS_o58 | Mar 25 00:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I spent 30 days with Plasma 5.21 - Return of the King? - YouTube | Mar 25 00:17 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 25 00:17 |
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| techrights-bot | Mob Mentality Threatens The Free Software Movement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uun2YhnUNGc | Mar 25 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mob Mentality Threatens The Free Software Movement - YouTube | Mar 25 00:19 | |
| techrights-bot | Preview of Next #PureOS • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149188 #debian #gnu #linux | Mar 25 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Preview of Next PureOS | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:20 | |
| techrights-bot | Of course #corporateMedia likes to egg on a mob when that mob helps #monopolies that fund that media or owns that media http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28798 | Mar 25 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:23 | |
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| techrights-bot | Linux is back on smartphones http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149175#comment-28799 #gnu #linux #pinephone | Mar 25 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PinePhone Beta Edition Linux smartphone is now available for pre-order for $150 and up | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:26 | |
| techrights-bot | #Security Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149189 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 00:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:27 | |
| XRevan86 | It's not really news, because it's the same PinePhone, just with a clean back. | Mar 25 00:33 |
| schestowitz | oh... | Mar 25 00:33 |
| XRevan86 | That's like the tenth time I see news about it. | Mar 25 00:34 |
| MinceR | not advertising crap on the back is nice | Mar 25 00:34 |
| MinceR | even though it could be done by ordering an extra back as an accessory :> | Mar 25 00:34 |
| XRevan86 | And it's the same PinePhone v1.2b, just with a clean back. | Mar 25 00:34 |
| MinceR | also, it was out of stock for a while | Mar 25 00:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "crap" – what about PinePhone KDE CE? :P | Mar 25 00:35 |
| MinceR | KDE went to shit with 4.0 | Mar 25 00:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I wouldn't want KDE 3.5 on a smartphone. | Mar 25 00:36 |
| MinceR | i'd rather have KDE 3.5 on a smartphone than KDE 4 or 5 | Mar 25 00:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I see having Android is actually good for your sanity. | Mar 25 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <XRevan86 "Basically, Lukashenko forced peo"> The number of Americans renouncing their US citizenship tripled under Trump. | Mar 25 00:38 |
| XRevan86 | Otherwise you'd suffer with some kind of Xfce phone :D | Mar 25 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was pretty clear that if you had the means to get out and stay out and move to a stable country, that's what you did. | Mar 25 00:38 |
| techrights-bot | When #cbs explains #git it actually promotes #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly that is an ATTACK on Git https://www.techrepublic.com/resource-library/whitepapers/from-start-to-finish-how-to-use-git-on-linux/ | Mar 25 00:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-From start to finish: How to use Git on Linux - TechRepublic | Mar 25 00:38 | |
| XRevan86 | Or, more realistically, with Sxmo, don't know. | Mar 25 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By the time the Coronavirus got completely out of control, things hit the fan in full force. | Mar 25 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | More than 4x as many citizenship resignations in Trump's last year than any year under any other president in my lifetime. | Mar 25 00:39 |
| techrights-bot | "A short (personal) digest could read like: Qt 5 => 6 is horrible, the Qt project (and company) doesn’t care for their (open source and other) users and the future is doomed for Qt." https://kate-editor.org/post/2021/2021-03-24-kde-qt-cooperation/ | Mar 25 00:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kate-editor.org | KDE & Qt Cooperation : Kate | Get an Edge in Editing | Mar 25 00:40 | |
| techrights-bot | #KDE e.V. is looking for a documentation writer https://ev.kde.org//2021/03/24/job-documentation/ | Mar 25 00:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ev.kde.org | KDE e.V. is looking for a documentation writer | KDE e.V. | Mar 25 00:40 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: at least android doesn't have a malignant tumor for an init daemon | Mar 25 00:40 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: KDE Plasma Mobile runs just fine on postmarketOS (in this case it's not relevant that pmOS… has problems). | Mar 25 00:42 |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149190 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 00:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:42 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I mean it as something that stops you from becoming someone who runs KDE 3.5 on a phone :P | Mar 25 00:44 |
| MinceR | i think i have better options | Mar 25 00:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Such as? | Mar 25 00:46 |
| MinceR | especially once the keyboard case comes out and i get one | Mar 25 00:46 |
| MinceR | because then i can just run any WM or DE or even just use a text console | Mar 25 00:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Would you? | Mar 25 00:47 |
| techrights-bot | #GNOME40 Released With Redesigned Activities Overview http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149170#comment-28801 #gnu #linux | Mar 25 00:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40 released | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:49 | |
| MinceR | it remains to be seen | Mar 25 00:50 |
| techrights-bot | #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149194 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 00:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:50 | |
| techrights-bot | #KaOS 2021.03 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149193 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 00:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KaOS 2021.03 | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:50 | |
| techrights-bot | #Mozilla Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149192 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 00:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:50 | |
| techrights-bot | Videos: Krita, Plasma, Keith Packard and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149191 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 00:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos: Krita, Plasma, Keith Packard and More | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:50 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: A careful answer, O.K. | Mar 25 00:51 |
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| techrights-bot | Get better at #programming by learning how things work https://jvns.ca/blog/learn-how-things-work/ | Mar 25 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jvns.ca | Get better at programming by learning how things work | Mar 25 00:54 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Oh, wait, the KDE logo didn't change though :) | Mar 25 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So even if ye have sympathies for KDE 3, that logo would work for you | Mar 25 00:55 |
| techrights-bot | Bastian Venthur: Perfection is Achieved When There is Nothing Left to Take Away https://venthur.de/2021-03-24-blogging.html #cms changes... | Mar 25 00:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venthur.de | Perfection is Achieved When There is Nothing Left to Take Away | Bastian Venthur's Blog | Mar 25 00:56 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: which is why i nearly settled for that one | Mar 25 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Oh, ye did? I guess my post-factum reasoning is the same as what ye've thought of before :) | Mar 25 00:59 |
| techrights-bot | KDE/Qt Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149195 #kde #qt | Mar 25 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE/Qt Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:59 | |
| techrights-bot | #GNU #Guix : #Cuirass 1.0 released • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149196 #freesw | Mar 25 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Guix: Cuirass 1.0 released | Tux Machines | Mar 25 00:59 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You know, the nice thing about using old-fashioned yat'-aware transliteration is that there might be a Slavic language that uses the same spelling: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/piesok#Slovak | Mar 25 01:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | piesok - Wiktionary | Mar 25 01:05 | |
| techrights-bot | #OpenHardware and Devices: Risc-V, 96Boards/Linaro and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149197 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 01:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware and Devices: Risc-V, 96Boards/Linaro and More | Tux Machines | Mar 25 01:06 | |
| techrights-bot | #Yakuake | Drop-down Terminal Emulator on #openSUSE • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149198 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yakuake | Drop-down Terminal Emulator on openSUSE | Tux Machines | Mar 25 01:07 | |
| techrights-bot | By the end of this week nobody will be left to care or to notice some lousy petition on a #microsoft #proprietarySoftware site. Move on, people. "That's the way it is..." | Mar 25 01:08 |
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| techrights-bot | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149200 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 25 01:15 | |
| techrights-bot | #Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149199 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 25 01:15 | |
| techrights-bot | Links 25/3/2021: #KaOS 2021.03 and #qBittorrent 4.3.4 • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/kaos-2021-03/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/kaos-2021-03/ | Mar 25 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/3/2021: KaOS 2021.03 and qBittorrent 4.3.4 | Techrights | Mar 25 01:15 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Garrett rides again. Pointing out that someone who signed the petition in favor of RMS maintains a program called "LoliGrabber" which, as far as I can tell, doesn't do anything wrong at all, and is hosted on GitHub, and available in the Google Play store. | Mar 25 01:22 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Since Garrett Loves Microsoft, why doesn't he ping GitHub if he can prove it does anything illegal? | Mar 25 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or Google maybe? | Mar 25 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Chicago contracted out to one of those "healthcare companies" that gives everyone who comes in a weed card and then was shocked when they mishandled the vaccines they were given and gave them to people who didn't even work at Chicago Public Schools. | Mar 25 01:36 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR gives voice to the people. | Mar 25 02:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 25 02:36 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Turns out that swapfiles on Linux are quite dangerous among having other drawbacks. | Mar 25 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It can't hibernate to them. It's not only possible, but it has happened (in a beta release) that the kernel can mean to write to the file and end up corrupting everything on the partition it resides on. | Mar 25 04:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course Garrett points out that his fake security breaks hibernation anyway. | Mar 25 04:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which systemd spams into its own journal, that hibernation is broken. | Mar 25 04:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's nice. | Mar 25 04:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thanks to people like this, Linux is turning into a legacy OS full of crap that is all sorts of unreliable. | Mar 25 04:21 |
| MinceR | afaik that only happened in an rc kernel you weren't supposed to run in the first place :> | Mar 25 04:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that it needs replaced. It's just not obvious what to replace it with. | Mar 25 04:21 |
| MinceR | but yeah, microshit is driving Linux into the ground | Mar 25 04:21 |
| MinceR | predictably. | Mar 25 04:21 |
| MinceR | my candidate is OpenBSD | Mar 25 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I suspect that a partition-destroying bug like that could make it into a release kernel. | Mar 25 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's seriously made me question whether the swapfile is a good idea or just something they copied over because Windows does it. | Mar 25 04:24 |
| MinceR | it could, since Linus isn't allowed to scream the head off whoever fucked it up | Mar 25 04:27 |
| MinceR | they must be made to feel good about it | Mar 25 04:27 |
| MinceR | "my code made it into a Linux release! sure, it trashes people's data, but it's there, and it's mine, and that's what matters!" | Mar 25 04:28 |
| MinceR | as for the swapfile, it's better to use a swap partition, but if you can't, you might still be able to use a swapfile :> | Mar 25 04:31 |
| MinceR | though i suppose if you run microshit applications, you might want to have a swapfile that can grow | Mar 25 04:31 |
| MinceR | dunno if that's supported too | Mar 25 04:31 |
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| techrights-bot | #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, March 24, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Mar 25 06:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Mar 25 06:09 | |
| techrights-bot | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Mar 25 06:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Mar 25 06:10 | |
| techrights-bot | #KaOS Linux 2021.03 Released with KDE Plasma 5.21, Linux Kernel 5.11, and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149201 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 06:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KaOS Linux 2021.03 Released with KDE Plasma 5.21, Linux Kernel 5.11, and More | Tux Machines | Mar 25 06:10 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #W3Techs #www ☞ 40% of the web uses #WordPress https://w3techs.com/blog/entry/40_percent_of_the_web_uses_wordpress | Mar 25 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-w3techs.com | 40% of the web uses WordPress | Mar 25 06:13 | |
| techrights-bot | ● >[Old] ● #TechRadar #freesw ☞ Is open source the future of office software? https://www.techradar.com/nz/news/is-open-source-the-future-of-office-software | Mar 25 06:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is open source the future of office software? | TechRadar | Mar 25 06:14 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #AnthonyAccomazzo #Programming ☞ I finally escaped Node (and you can too) https://acco.io/i-escaped-node | Mar 25 06:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-acco.io | I finally escaped Node (and you can too) | Mar 25 06:14 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #StefanKanthak #Science ☞ Donald Knuth’s "Algorithm D", its implementation in "Hacker’s Delight", and elsewhere https://skanthak.homepage.t-online.de/division.html | Mar 25 06:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-skanthak.homepage.t-online.de | Donald Knuth’s “Algorithm D”, its implementation in “Hacker’s Delight”, and elsewhere | Mar 25 06:17 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CanBölük #Hardware ☞ Speculating the entire x86-64 Instruction Set In Seconds with This One Weird Trick https://blog.can.ac/2021/03/22/speculating-x86-64-isa-with-one-weird-trick/ | Mar 25 06:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.can.ac | Speculating the entire x86-64 Instruction Set In Seconds with This One Weird Trick – Can.ac | Mar 25 06:17 | |
| techrights-bot | Another lies about RMS: "Jeffrey Epstein defender back on board at local software group" - he blasters Epstein, unlike Bill Gates, who defended him http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ | Mar 25 06:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols’ Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights | Mar 25 06:21 | |
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| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #ComputerWorld ☞ Text authentication is even worse than almost anyone thought https://www.computerworld.com/article/3612243/text-authentication-is-even-worse-than-almost-anyone-thought.html | Mar 25 07:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Text authentication is even worse than almost anyone thought | Computerworld | Mar 25 07:20 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #EestiRahvusringhääling #Surveillance #Privacy ☞ Official: #Estonia will have digital #vaccine certificate ready in April https://news.err.ee/1608153679/official-estonia-will-have-digital-vaccine-certificate-ready-in-april | Mar 25 07:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.err.ee | Official: Estonia will have digital vaccine certificate ready in April | News | ERR | Mar 25 07:21 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #Surveillance #Privacy ☞ #Google refutes 'zero click' searches claims https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/internet/google-refutes-zero-click-searches-claims/81681686 | Mar 25 07:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Google Search: Google refutes 'zero click' searches claims, IT News, ET CIO | Mar 25 07:21 | |
| techrights-bot | You can really see which sites promote #freesw and which ones promote #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware (and back doors if you add their repo) with all the "EDGE" spam. DO NOT TELL US THEY LOVE LINUX. They try to kill it from the inside. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EDGI | Mar 25 07:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EDGI - Techrights | Mar 25 07:25 | |
| techrights-bot | "Blogging remains a key way to keep up with me. The Twitter account is likely not the most informative and the Identica account randomly disappears into the Bermuda Triangle." http://coyote.works//fiddling-and-customizing.html | Mar 25 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Fiddling and Customizing | Mar 25 07:26 | |
| techrights-bot | Good. No RMS left in my news feeds. The mob lost momentum. By week's end it's old news. Next week nobody will talk about it. "And that's how it is..." Come on, mob, "SHOUT!" Feeling better now? OK, that's good therapy. | Mar 25 07:28 |
| techrights-bot | Another lie about RMS. He blasted Epstein, unlike Bill Gates, who defended him http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28802 | Mar 25 07:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines | Mar 25 07:29 | |
| techrights-bot | #QBittorrent 4.3.4 Is Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149182#comment-28803 | Mar 25 07:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | qBittorrent 4.3.4 Drops Support for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, Supports Sub-Sorting in Transfer List | Tux Machines | Mar 25 07:39 | |
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| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149202 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 07:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 25 07:43 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #WBURradio #Energy ☞ #Bitcoin Is Terrible For The Planet. Now There Are Better Choices https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2021/03/22/bitcoin-crytocurrency-environment-climate-energy-fred-hewett | Mar 25 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wbur.org | Bitcoin Is Terrible For The Planet. Now There Are Better Choices | Cognoscenti | Mar 25 07:44 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TheVerge #reddit #condenast ☞ Major subreddits are going dark to protest Reddit allegedly hiring a controversial UK politician https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/24/22348255/reddit-moderator-blackout-protest-aimee-knight-uk-green-party | Mar 25 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Major Reddit communities go dark to protest alleged hiring of controversial UK politician - The Verge | Mar 25 07:45 | |
| techrights-bot | Gemini, a modern protocol that looks retro https://linuxreviews.org/Gemini,_a_modern_protocol_that_looks_retro "Gemini is not "retro" but it "looks retro"." #geminiProtocol #geminiSpace #internet | Mar 25 07:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Gemini, a modern protocol that looks retro - LinuxReviews | Mar 25 07:46 | |
| techrights-bot | New #FileZilla , #Thunderbird, and #ProprietarySoftware in #PCLinuxOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147392#comment-28805 | Mar 25 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distribution Release: PCLinuxOS 2021.02 | Tux Machines | Mar 25 07:51 | |
| techrights-bot | #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/irc-log-240321/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/25/irc-log-240321/ | Mar 25 07:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 | Techrights | Mar 25 07:52 | |
| techrights-bot | I am waiting for #EFF to also deplore #billgates for enabling and helping the trafficking of thousands of girls for sex (instead, EFF now gives AWARDS to #microsoft employees). Infiltrated, defunct. | Mar 25 07:59 |
| techrights-bot | EFF: we are sponsored by #backdoors companies, will bemoan and defame people who object to back doors now (after the EFF's founder died this EFF was on the highway to nowhere, except collecting #imperialism cash) http://techrights.org/2019/01/20/google-internship-eff/ | Mar 25 08:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EFF Must Return That ‘Internship’ Money to Google or It Would Disgrace the Patent Reform Movement (by Association) | Techrights | Mar 25 08:12 | |
| techrights-bot | The #distrotube video about #rms coming back to #fsf contains so many factual errors. I gave up listening after two minutes. Could count up to half a dozen factual errors. | Mar 25 08:22 |
| techrights-bot | It is not "Conspiracy Theory" that governments habitually infiltrate institutions and NGOs. It's a method. And we have ample evidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO | Mar 25 08:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | COINTELPRO - Wikipedia | Mar 25 08:23 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Tor #torproject ☞ New Release: Tor Browser 10.0.14 https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-10014 | Mar 25 08:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-10014 ) | Mar 25 08:24 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Tor #torproject ☞ Get a TLS certificate for your onion site https://blog.torproject.org/tls-certificate-for-onion-site | Mar 25 08:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | Get a TLS certificate for your onion site | Tor Blog | Mar 25 08:24 | |
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| techrights-bot | "As part of our series which explores non-profits turning against their goals (sometimes in pursuit of money, even if that means sellout) we take a good look at the EFF in this age of unprecedented consolidation of wealth and power" http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/a-good-look-at-the-eff/ | Mar 25 08:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EFF: Sitting on a Massive Pile of Money and Members Are Less Than a Third of the Revenue | Techrights | Mar 25 08:27 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #ClimateNewsNetwork ☞ Small nuclear power plants no use in #climate crisis https://climatenewsnetwork.net/small-nuclear-power-plants-no-use-in-climate-crisis/ we know who's pushing these. Mass polluters. | Mar 25 08:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-climatenewsnetwork.net | Small nuclear power plants no use in climate crisis | Climate News Network | Mar 25 08:27 | |
| techrights-bot | I see many #microsoft -connected sites pushing the anti-RMS petition. They don't mention the real #MIT scandal is #billgates supporting Epstein. RMS called him "serial rapist". | Mar 25 08:31 |
| techrights-bot | #microsoft -sponsored sites and orgs spreading libel about RMS has only reaffirmed the perception or many people's views about who funds this spewing of hateful vile. Pure libel, too. | Mar 25 08:34 |
| techrights-bot | The only person whom #MIT should have canceled was #billgates and he should have moreover been arrested. http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ | Mar 25 08:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriff’s Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights | Mar 25 08:34 | |
| techrights-bot | Lessons from Atlanta (again) Mass murder is a shooting Mass murder by a Muslim is a terror attack Why don't they make labels for each ethnic or religious group that does this? | Mar 25 08:38 |
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| techrights-bot | People who try to cancel RMS just try to cancel: 1) his ideas and 2) anybody who adopt these ideas (on TECHNICAL things). They hope to create a culture of fear and reluctance to express certain views. It's a collective attack on an ideology. Don't let that happen. | Mar 25 08:41 |
| *schestowitz gives voice to auctus GNUmoon inky kingoffrance | Mar 25 08:47 | |
| *schestowitz gives voice to kupi | Mar 25 08:47 | |
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| techrights-bot | #EPO Has Become an Institution of Unbridled Crime, Where Judges Exist Only to Approve the Crimes • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/judges-epo-kangaroo-courts/ •●• #Techrights #europe #corruption gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/25/judges-epo-kangaroo-courts/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest | Mar 25 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Has Become an Institution of Unbridled Crime, Where Judges Exist Only to Approve the Crimes | Techrights | Mar 25 09:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Mar 25 09:15 | |
| techrights-bot | Over the past 18 months the #FSF was unable to do much #freesw advocacy and we know who prefers it that way. | Mar 25 09:20 |
| techrights-bot | Next week #techrights will publish a big story about the underhanded tactics of the anti-RMS lobby, threatening people. | Mar 25 09:23 |
| techrights-bot | Excuse me, sir, where can I find the GitHub petition to cancel #billgates for enabling trafficking of thousands of underage girls for sex? http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2020 | Mar 25 09:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | Mar 25 09:24 | |
| DVulgaris | What's up with the smear against RMS? | Mar 25 09:26 |
| techrights-bot | I now see more #billgates -funded media dishing yet more libel on RMS. The person who defended Epstein is #billgates whereas RMS called him "serial rapist" several times. | Mar 25 09:26 |
| DVulgaris | Is it M$ and redhat again? | Mar 25 09:27 |
| techrights-bot | In case people have not noticed, #billgates now pays #youtube for ads and YouTube (Google) in turn deletes videos of his critics | Mar 25 09:27 |
| schestowitz | More than them | Mar 25 09:28 |
| schestowitz | all the firms and people he criticised | Mar 25 09:28 |
| schestowitz | they want to finish him | Mar 25 09:28 |
| schestowitz | based on lies | Mar 25 09:28 |
| techrights-bot | Employees of racist #ibm are in no position to blast FSF and RMS over anything http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ | Mar 25 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights | Mar 25 09:31 | |
| techrights-bot | Earlier this month: The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest | Mar 25 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights | Mar 25 09:32 | |
| techrights-bot | Today I see lies as headlines from #billgates -funded media, falsely claiming RMS supported Epstein was it was in fact GATES who supported him. RMS had called him "serial rapist". http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ | Mar 25 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols’ Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights | Mar 25 09:33 | |
| techrights-bot | Video: Removing Our Leaders Because of Diversity is Disingenuous and Hypocritical • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2020/12/18/removing-our-leaders/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/12/18/removing-our-leaders/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest | Mar 25 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: Removing Our Leaders Because of Diversity is Disingenuous and Hypocritical | Techrights | Mar 25 09:35 | |
| psydroid | to me it looks more like wanting to finish the fsf by finishing rms, making it equally defunct as osi | Mar 25 09:36 |
| techrights-bot | Social Justice Hooey Killed the Free Software Movement • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2020/07/24/social-justice/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/07/24/social-justice/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest | Mar 25 09:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Justice Hooey Killed the Free Software Movement | Techrights | Mar 25 09:36 | |
| techrights-bot | Large Corporations Aren’t Going to Save the Real GNU/Linux Community Because That’s Not Their Goal (They Just Want to Dominate Everything) • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/faking-communities/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/11/08/faking-communities/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest | Mar 25 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Large Corporations Aren’t Going to Save the Real GNU/Linux Community Because That’s Not Their Goal (They Just Want to Dominate Everything) | Techrights | Mar 25 09:37 | |
| techrights-bot | SJVN works for #microsoft and #billgates just like #zdnet (even if he's not aware of it, he has become a useful idiot to #monopolies and #billgates who enabled Epstein and helped him) | Mar 25 09:41 |
| techrights-bot | #TheVerge now puts in charge of defaming RMS people who are connected to #microsoft and, just as a reminder, #billgates became site editor after bribing The Verge to spike an expose about him (and sack the journalist who worked on it) | Mar 25 09:46 |
| techrights-bot | The same people who now try to associate RMS with Epstein (a friend of Bill Gates) also defamed me online by trying to associate me with "Rape" based on NOTHING at all. Nothing! Pure #defamation is their modus operandi, funded by GAFAM. | Mar 25 09:50 |
| GNUmoon | Very disappointing seeing people from "foss" projects signing the petition against RMS/FSF based on fabricated "evidence" in https://rms-open-letter.github.io/appendix | Mar 25 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-open-letter.github.io | Mar 25 09:55 | |
| GNUmoon | Smart technical people with no critical thinking skills. | Mar 25 09:55 |
| techrights-bot | #ChromeOS “Game Mode” brings #Chromebooks closer to Steam gaming • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149203 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome OS “Game Mode” brings Chromebooks closer to Steam gaming | Tux Machines | Mar 25 09:55 | |
| DVulgaris | This is all just nuts | Mar 25 09:56 |
| GNUmoon | Pitchforks and torches for geeks. | Mar 25 09:56 |
| schestowitz | all base on lies | Mar 25 09:57 |
| schestowitz | see the latest BS | Mar 25 09:57 |
| schestowitz | they say RMS supported Epstein | Mar 25 09:57 |
| DVulgaris | GNUmoon: "smart" people with no critical thinking skills are the norm nowadays sadly | Mar 25 09:57 |
| schestowitz | nothing could be further from the truth | Mar 25 09:57 |
| schestowitz | the opposite is true | Mar 25 09:57 |
| DVulgaris | It's nuts | Mar 25 09:57 |
| schestowitz | I am cataloguing all the headlines | Mar 25 09:57 |
| DVulgaris | 1984 | Mar 25 09:57 |
| schestowitz | in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28798 | Mar 25 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines | Mar 25 09:57 | |
| schestowitz | next week I'll go through ALL of them | Mar 25 09:58 |
| DVulgaris | War is peace | Mar 25 09:58 |
| schestowitz | one by one | Mar 25 09:58 |
| schestowitz | and rebut each | Mar 25 09:58 |
| schestowitz | and name the agenda of each lie | Mar 25 09:58 |
| schestowitz | next week... | Mar 25 09:58 |
| DVulgaris | You're doing god's work | Mar 25 09:58 |
| techrights-bot | Preliminary board statement on #FSF governance • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149204 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 09:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Preliminary board statement on FSF governance | Tux Machines | Mar 25 09:59 | |
| techrights-bot | 'Sorry, mate, where can I sign the "resign, Gates" petition?' http://techrights.org/2020/06/16/gatesgate-interlude/ GitHub: object not found! | Mar 25 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Is Not Helping Africa or Africans. It Exploits Them. | Techrights | Mar 25 10:00 | |
| GNUmoon | Many technical people tend to be socially and culturally ... undeveloped. Hence, thinking about social, political, ethical questions results in somewhat hostile responses. | Mar 25 10:00 |
| techrights-bot | How #billgates bribes media that prepares expose pieces about him http://techrights.org/2020/07/16/gates-press-sunset/ 6 parts, links to prior parts here. #bribery #mediaControl #corruption | Mar 25 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Gates Press (GatesGate) — Part VI: Sunsetting for Now | Techrights | Mar 25 10:02 | |
| techrights-bot | When #BillGates Pays a University Through His Friend Epstein (Sex Trafficker) to Call Buildings After Himself • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2020/10/12/tribute-to-the-bill/ •●• gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/10/12/tribute-to-the-bill/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest | Mar 25 10:03 |
| GNUmoon | smart != { wise, compassionate, caring } | Mar 25 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When Bill Gates Pays a University Through His Friend Epstein (Sex Trafficker) to Call Buildings After Himself | Techrights | Mar 25 10:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Mar 25 10:03 | |
| techrights-bot | What is Known for a Fact (Not Speculation) About Bill Gates, Jeffrey Epstein, and Rick Allen Jones • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-and-rick-allen-jones/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-and-rick-allen-jones/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest | Mar 25 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What is Known for a Fact (Not Speculation) About Bill Gates, Jeffrey Epstein, and Rick Allen Jones | Techrights | Mar 25 10:03 | |
| techrights-bot | Bill Gates Used Proxies to Lie About His Ties to Jeffrey Epstein Until the New York Times Exposed the Strength of Their Relationship • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2020/08/18/bill-gates-lies/ •●• gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/18/bill-gates-lies/ | Mar 25 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Used Proxies to Lie About His Ties to Jeffrey Epstein Until the New York Times Exposed the Strength of Their Relationship | Techrights | Mar 25 10:04 | |
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| techrights-bot | #BillGates and His Special Relationship With Jeffrey Epstein Still Stirring Speculations • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2019/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2019/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein/ | Mar 25 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates and His Special Relationship With Jeffrey Epstein Still Stirring Speculations | Techrights | Mar 25 10:04 | |
| techrights-bot | #BSDNow 395: Tracing ARM’s history https://www.bsdnow.tv/395 | Mar 25 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 395: Tracing ARM’s history | Mar 25 10:08 | |
| techrights-bot | "Larry is getting ready for the release of Ubuntu MATE 21.04. Several of our listeners have ideas for us, suggestions for future episodes, feedback on music players and Linux-compatible computers." https://goinglinux.com/shownotes.html#glp405 | Mar 25 10:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-goinglinux.com | Going Linux · Shownotes | Mar 25 10:09 | |
| techrights-bot | "Some sage developer wisdom is overshadowed by Mike's mad stonk game, while Chris worries Apple's secret M1 tricks charming Linux users." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/144577/functional-sadism-coder-radio-406/ | Mar 25 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Functional Sadism | Coder Radio 406 | Jupiter Broadcasting | Mar 25 10:10 | |
| techrights-bot | 10 Best Free and Open Source Command-Line #Python Application Development Tools • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149205 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 Best Free and Open Source Command-Line Python Application Development Tools | Tux Machines | Mar 25 10:11 | |
| techrights-bot | Linux powers the internet, confirms #EU commissioner • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149206 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux powers the internet, confirms EU commissioner | Tux Machines | Mar 25 10:11 | |
| GNUmoon | Geeze schestowitz, you are mean, M$ is helping the UN with human rights stuff....https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2020/09/17/microsoft-un-affairs-team-unga/ | Mar 25 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.microsoft.com | Our interconnected world requires collective action - Microsoft On the Issues | Mar 25 10:12 | |
| GNUmoon | Their inbed-ed you know...helping... | Mar 25 10:12 |
| schestowitz | haha | Mar 25 10:12 |
| schestowitz | I wrote a lot about Microsoft and the UN | Mar 25 10:12 |
| schestowitz | also, UN had a security breach months ago | Mar 25 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's fault | Mar 25 10:13 |
| GNUmoon | "strengthen human rights" with proprietary software for themselves and NSA, etc. | Mar 25 10:13 |
| techrights-bot | #eu media is intentionally failing to cover the major blunder associated with #kangaroocourts (the #EPO absolutely refuses to deal with the subject), but as more facts come out there’s hope that EPO officials will be held accountable; eventually, belatedly http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/judges-epo-kangaroo-courts/ | Mar 25 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Has Become an Institution of Unbridled Crime, Where Judges Exist Only to Approve the Crimes | Techrights | Mar 25 10:14 | |
| GNUmoon | Doesn't MS have a Human's Right person as a part of leadership or something? | Mar 25 10:14 |
| techrights-bot | Identify Linux performance bottlenecks using #freesw tools • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149207 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 10:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Identify Linux performance bottlenecks using open source tools | Tux Machines | Mar 25 10:15 | |
| GNUmoon | arr, found it: https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2020/12/10/human-rights-day-2020-microsoft-global-statement/ | Mar 25 10:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.microsoft.com | Human Rights Day 2020: Microsoft’s ongoing commitment and responsibility - Microsoft On the Issues | Mar 25 10:16 | |
| techrights-bot | Notice how sexist and racist #ibm keeps quiet this time around about FSF and RMS. They know the skeletons in their closet. IBM's. They want to accomplish one or two things (or both): silence (e.g. deplatform from FSF) RMS or compel people to stop listening to him because of his message | Mar 25 10:17 |
| GNUmoon | Steve Crown - Vice President and Deputy General Counsel, Human Rights, MS | Mar 25 10:17 |
| techrights-bot | #Xubuntu 21.04 Testing Week • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149208 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #xfce | Mar 25 10:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xubuntu 21.04 Testing Week | Tux Machines | Mar 25 10:19 | |
| schestowitz | GNUmoon: lies as a product | Mar 25 10:19 |
| schestowitz | not only Microsoft does this BTW | Mar 25 10:20 |
| schestowitz | oil companies, surveillance giants like FB hire our polticians... | Mar 25 10:20 |
| GNUmoon | schestowitz: has anyone done an analysis of human rights (charter or other legal docs) and free software from a legal, philosophical or technical aspect? | Mar 25 10:20 |
| schestowitz | but they don't like people who point that out | Mar 25 10:20 |
| schestowitz | I wait for IBM to open its mouth | Mar 25 10:20 |
| schestowitz | and then we can respond by pointing out their hypocrisy | Mar 25 10:20 |
| GNUmoon | Indeed, oil is green you know! | Mar 25 10:20 |
| schestowitz | as we already published about it before | Mar 25 10:20 |
| schestowitz | GNUmoon: those reports cost money | Mar 25 10:21 |
| schestowitz | sometimes Red Hat commissions such report | Mar 25 10:21 |
| schestowitz | but not on human rights | Mar 25 10:21 |
| schestowitz | as they don't think they have such a perceptipon issue | Mar 25 10:21 |
| schestowitz | unlike IBM | Mar 25 10:21 |
| schestowitz | which liaises with LF now | Mar 25 10:21 |
| schestowitz | to portray IBM as "against racism" | Mar 25 10:21 |
| schestowitz | they even cancel words | Mar 25 10:21 |
| schestowitz | they even sent PR agents to me | Mar 25 10:22 |
| schestowitz | to tell me how IBM is against racism | Mar 25 10:22 |
| schestowitz | liars | Mar 25 10:22 |
| schestowitz | external to IBM | Mar 25 10:22 |
| schestowitz | but working for IBM | Mar 25 10:22 |
| GNUmoon | Same purpose as "think tanks" to give the corporate media the veneer of independent opinion when getting their views. | Mar 25 10:23 |
| techrights-bot | Spoiler (article next week in Techrights): many people do not speak in public in defence of RMS because the employer bans it. Not necessarily because the employer does not agree; it's just afraid of the hateful, defamatory, foaming-at-the-mouth 'cancel mob' | Mar 25 10:23 |
| techrights-bot | Audiocasts/Shows: Coder Radio, Going Linux, The Linux Link Tech Show, BSD Now • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149209 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 10:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Coder Radio, Going Linux, The Linux Link Tech Show, BSD Now | Tux Machines | Mar 25 10:24 | |
| schestowitz | GNUmoon: yeah | Mar 25 10:24 |
| GNUmoon | .... lets talk to a corporate / ruling class founded and funded think tank to tell us what's going on... but not tell the audience this. | Mar 25 10:25 |
| Ariadne | in other news, i found a nice GNU make fork which substantially improves its code quality | Mar 25 10:26 |
| techrights-bot | Also next week #techrights will go through each anti-RMS article, one by one, and highlight all the defamation (lies, intentional falsehoods) in these. The "cancel mob" is a bunch of people defective in the head; they know they lie, but they don't care. It helps the mob, so go with it! | Mar 25 10:26 |
| techrights-bot | The "cancel mob" STILL uses this lie about RMS; says a lot about the integrity of the accusations. http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ | Mar 25 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake ‘Door Sign’ Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights | Mar 25 10:27 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Finance ☞ The #Debt Whiners: Fools or Liars? https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/03/24/the-debt-whiners-fools-or-liars/ | Mar 25 10:29 |
| GNUmoon | Ariadne, nice, do you have a link? | Mar 25 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Debt Whiners: Fools or Liars? - CounterPunch.org | Mar 25 10:29 | |
| Ariadne | https://bashdb.sf.net/remake | Mar 25 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failed connect to bashdb.sf.net:443; Connection refused ( status 0 @ https://bashdb.sf.net/remake ) | Mar 25 10:29 | |
| Ariadne | er | Mar 25 10:29 |
| Ariadne | http://bashdb.sf.net/remake | Mar 25 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bashdb.sourceforge.net | Remake - GNU Make with comprehensible tracing and a debugger | Mar 25 10:30 | |
| *schestowitz gives voice to liberty_box libertybox | Mar 25 10:30 | |
| liberty_box | https://bestinau.com.au/ways-to-secure-your-linux-laptop/ - vpn spam | Mar 25 10:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bestinau.com.au | Ultimate Guide To Secure Linux OS Laptop For Free | Mar 25 10:31 | |
| *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Mar 25 10:32 | |
| techrights-bot | When the #linuxfoundation tells you something like "LINUX RUNS THE WORLD" it means to say GNU runs the world, and it has a kernel called "Linux" beneath it. They hope that by finishing off RMS they can also steal all his work, inc. the credit. Making their new "UNIX". | Mar 25 10:47 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ How to add Ethernet to Raspberry Pi Pico https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/how-to-add-ethernet-to-raspberry-pi-pico/ those have issues, still http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/microsoft-spy/ | Mar 25 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | How to add Ethernet to Raspberry Pi Pico - Raspberry Pi | Mar 25 10:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Than a Month Later Raspberry Pi Foundation is a Microsoft Censor | Techrights | Mar 25 10:54 | |
| techrights-bot | Handheld consoles moving to #linux https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/qualcomm-is-reportedly-working-on-android-powered-nintendo-switch-1783482-2021-03-25 | Mar 25 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indiatoday.in | Qualcomm is reportedly working on Android powered Nintendo Switch - Technology News | Mar 25 11:00 | |
| techrights-bot | #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149211 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 25 11:01 | |
| techrights-bot | #LinuxMagazine Issue (Behind Paywall) • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149210 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Magazine Issue (Behind Paywall) | Tux Machines | Mar 25 11:01 | |
| *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) | Mar 25 11:03 | |
| techrights-bot | I cannot find a #freesw and #opensource petition against #microsoft crimes (only against RMS, who called Epstein "serial rapist" while #billgates worked to get this rapist OUT OF PRISON). Petition this: http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/microsoft-spy/ | Mar 25 11:03 |
| *zoobab (zoobab@vic.ffii.org) has joined #techrights | Mar 25 11:08 | |
| techrights-bot | No #GitHub Petition About #BillGates Working to Release #Epstein From Prison • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/missing-github-petition/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/25/missing-github-petition/ | Mar 25 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | No GitHub Petition About Bill Gates Working to Release Epstein From Prison | Techrights | Mar 25 11:12 | |
| *polxy (opticnerve@gateway/vpn/airvpn/opticnerve) has joined #techrights | Mar 25 11:13 | |
| techrights-bot | People don't become ethical by means of using the word "ethical" or "justice"; check what they do and who they look to destroy (bonus: who they take a SALARY from!) http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ | Mar 25 11:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights | Mar 25 11:15 | |
| *schestowitz gives voice to polxy | Mar 25 11:18 | |
| *schestowitz gives voice to zoobab | Mar 25 11:18 | |
| *schestowitz gives voice to LarchOye1 mmu_man | Mar 25 11:19 | |
| techrights-bot | #patents ruining innovation, but front groups of the #litigation profiteers and #monopoly zealots (funded by robber barons) misframe the issue https://www.managingip.com/article/b1r3mq8nywxyms/electric-car-patents-race-poses-questions-for-litigation | Mar 25 11:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Electric car patents race poses questions for litigation | Managing Intellectual Property | Mar 25 11:25 | |
| techrights-bot | #juva is now 101% #epo #propaganda (just copying lies from EPO management) https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/people-and-business/latest-news-on-ip-and-coronavirus-in-europe/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Juve | Mar 25 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Latest news on IP and coronavirus in Europe - JUVE Patent | Mar 25 11:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Juve - Techrights | Mar 25 11:26 | |
| techrights-bot | "Last but not least, calling for the EU to solve the problem of the CII at the EPO is somehow surprising when it comes from a lawyer working in a firm of EP representatives. It is also ignoring that the EPO has many more member states as the EU." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/17/technicality-at-epo-after-g-1-19/#comments | Mar 25 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Technicality at EPO After G 1/19 - Kluwer Patent Blog | Mar 25 11:28 | |
| techrights-bot | Totally and entirely missing the point that #patent quality collapsed and people now know they can hoard lots of #fakePatents from corrupt #EPO management (actively working to break the law and fake "production") http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/19/number-of-epo-patent-applications-decreased-slightly-last-year/ | Mar 25 11:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Number of EPO patent applications decreased slightly last year - Kluwer Patent Blog | Mar 25 11:30 | |
| techrights-bot | Scandal regarding Dr. Ernst from #EPO to be exposed in #techrights next month. | Mar 25 11:32 |
| techrights-bot | "HEY HI" hogwash from #ukipo and a symptom of dying 'journalism' in the #uk (hacks and operatives who haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about, just PR) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1r3ly9xkhk4sx/first-thoughts-ukipo-makes-bold-call-on-ai-inventorship | Mar 25 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | First thoughts: UKIPO makes bold call on AI inventorship | Managing Intellectual Property | Mar 25 11:34 | |
| techrights-bot | #juve is a propaganda site of the #epo so don't be misled by what it used to be until half a decade ago. I wonder if JUVE is among the sites which the EPO gloats about bribing. | Mar 25 11:35 |
| techrights-bot | It's vastly better to quit the profession of #journalism than to defect to the PR industry, i.e. telling lies or lying to people as the "product"... | Mar 25 11:36 |
| techrights-bot | #hongkong now reminds me of what #uk does to #assange at the behest of Empire https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20359960 | Mar 25 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody@joindiaspora.com: A Hong Kong journalist is on trial for using a public database - https://restofworld.org/2021/hong-kong-journalist-on-trial-for-using-public-database/ | Mar 25 11:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> restofworld.org | A Hong Kong journalist is on trial for using a public database - Rest of World | Mar 25 11:37 | |
| techrights-bot | "Reminder:the real existential threat to Free Software isn't the make-up of the FSF governance board. It's US multinational corporations funding legal reports encouraging companies to shun Copyleft licensed software" https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/105943802479417509 | Mar 25 11:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "Reminder:the real existential threat to Free Soft…" - Mastodon - NZOSS | Mar 25 11:38 | |
| techrights-bot | #SFC works for #google and #microsoft and not for #freesw (check their IRS filings) http://techrights.org/2020/12/04/sfc-not-about-freedom/ | Mar 25 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Not About Freedom | Techrights | Mar 25 11:39 | |
| techrights-bot | Running random things https://chaos.social/@morph/105934123362984544 | Mar 25 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-morph: "" - chaos.social | Mar 25 11:40 | |
| DVulgaris | Yeah, something is truely fishy with all the "statements" on wanting RMS to resign | Mar 25 11:40 |
| DVulgaris | It all is more or less the same, cookie-cutter stuff | Mar 25 11:41 |
| techrights-bot | #religiona and #homophobia https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/islamic-homophobia-is-empowered-by-leftist-silence | Mar 25 11:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.queermajority.com | Islamic Homophobia is Empowered by Leftist Silence — Queer Majority | Mar 25 11:41 | |
| DVulgaris | Thank goodness someone is finally talking about islam's homophobia | Mar 25 11:41 |
| schestowitz | not mjg59 | Mar 25 11:41 |
| schestowitz | he will blame RMS | Mar 25 11:42 |
| schestowitz | or me | Mar 25 11:42 |
| schestowitz | or anyone | Mar 25 11:42 |
| schestowitz | while Google and IBM pay the salary | Mar 25 11:42 |
| schestowitz | IBM profited from gassing gays | Mar 25 11:42 |
| schestowitz | among others... | Mar 25 11:42 |
| schestowitz | but the Red Hat employees focus on RMS now | Mar 25 11:42 |
| DVulgaris | So much so, that muslims shot themselves and arabs in israel in the foot because a tahini brand put some pro-gay ads | Mar 25 11:42 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ | Mar 25 11:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights | Mar 25 11:42 | |
| schestowitz | maybe IBM also profited from gassing the grandparents of RMS | Mar 25 11:43 |
| DVulgaris | They split the vote and went with the warmonger netanyahu just because of fucking tahini | Mar 25 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Crime Minister | Mar 25 11:43 |
| DVulgaris | schestowitz: It's all fucked up | Mar 25 11:43 |
| schestowitz | it is | Mar 25 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Mr. Crime 'Vaccine' Minister | Mar 25 11:43 |
| schestowitz | not bombing some more people | Mar 25 11:43 |
| schestowitz | to rile up the racists | Mar 25 11:43 |
| DVulgaris | He didn't even bring the vaccines | Mar 25 11:43 |
| schestowitz | "yaaaaaah ! bomb em! | Mar 25 11:44 |
| DVulgaris | Also, kahanists are probably going to be in the next government | Mar 25 11:44 |
| schestowitz | 200,000 people did not even take the second shot | Mar 25 11:44 |
| schestowitz | quite a "lab" you got there.. | Mar 25 11:44 |
| DVulgaris | But, the silver lining is that the leftwing expanded considerably now | Mar 25 11:44 |
| techrights-bot | "Pinephone pre-orders have gone live!" https://fosstodon.org/@PINE64/105942806967387898 #gnu #linux #pinephone | Mar 25 11:45 |
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| techrights-bot | Michael on Bill https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/bill-gates-backed-vicarious-said-in-talks-to-merge-with-d8-spac the profiteers: https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ | Mar 25 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? | Mar 25 11:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation | Mar 25 11:46 | |
| techrights-bot | "So... Wordpress is now 40% of *all* websites (and probably well north of 60% of all non-static websites). That's 4-6 times more than the next most widely used online platform..." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/105948549556069180 | Mar 25 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "So... Wordpress is now 40% of *all* websites (and…" - Mastodon - NZOSS | Mar 25 11:47 | |
| techrights-bot | "Also, on Twitter, I’ve no idea whether/if people see my tweets and why/why not. And if Twitter wants to, they can gaslight me by not showing my tweets or algorithmically reducing their reach. It’s a black box. And it’s theirs. So, yeah, your follower count doesn’t mean a thing." https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/105945090955597696 | Mar 25 11:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Also, on Twitter, I’ve no idea whether/if people …" - Aral’s Mastodon | Mar 25 11:48 | |
| techrights-bot | "How long before having root access to your own computer will be deemed a crime?" https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/105938854568296892 | Mar 25 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "How long before having root access to your own co…" - Aral’s Mastodon | Mar 25 11:49 | |
| techrights-bot | I would rephrase the poll from Aral: How long before refusing to give remote access (root access, too) to your own computer will be deemed a crime? Remote access by governments directly or by tech partners like #microsoft ... (the #raspi foundation has already done that WITHOUT CONSENT!!) | Mar 25 11:51 |
| techrights-bot | "I don't understand why people and now also @fsfe feel the need to condemn the return of #RMS to the #FSF *now*." https://x0f.org/@FreePietje/105945584638432191 FSFE is a fraud: http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/fsf-and-fsfe/ http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/fsf-is-not-fsfe/ http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/osi-fsfe-collusion-and-coordination/ http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/back-stabbing-richard-stallman/ http://tech | Mar 25 11:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-x0f.org | Free Pietje: "I don't understand why people and now also @fsfe@…" - unidentified instance | Mar 25 11:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Relationship Between FSF and FSFE | Techrights | Mar 25 11:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Stop Calling the FSFE “Free Software Foundation” (There’s No Direct Connection) | Techrights | Mar 25 11:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: FSFE and OSI Coordinate Rubbing Off Free Software by Saying “Open Source” is the Same (It’s Not, Same False Argument From 20 Years Earlier) | Techrights | Mar 25 11:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: Richard Stallman (RMS) Was Betrayed by Matthias Kirschner’s FSFE, Which Closely Connected With People Who Attack Stallman | Techrights | Mar 25 11:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: techr; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://techr ) | Mar 25 11:52 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/back-stabbing-richard-stallman/ http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ | Mar 25 11:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Open Source Initiative Cannot Lecture People on Manners and Tolerance (and Probably Never Could) | Techrights | Mar 25 11:52 | |
| techrights-bot | Check how many of the orgs that call for removal of RMS (or for FSF to disband) are funded by #google #microsoft or both. Almost all of them!! #monopolies #proprietartySoftware #surveillance | Mar 25 11:54 |
| techrights-bot | Funny how nobody talks about the real scandal anymore http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/missing-github-petition/ #billgates #mit #epstein #pedophilia #microsoft | Mar 25 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | No GitHub Petition About Bill Gates Working to Release Epstein From Prison | Techrights | Mar 25 11:55 | |
| psydroid | <GNUmoon "Smart technical people with no c"> Sounds more like people with an agenda that is aligned with ours | Mar 25 11:55 |
| techrights-bot | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up #BillGates #Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest | Mar 25 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights | Mar 25 11:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Mar 25 11:56 | |
| techrights-bot | The Only Person Punished for the Gates-Epstein Connection/Affairs Seems to be Richard Stallman and Now the Libel Resumes • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2019/11/06/sacrificing-rms-for-mit/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2019/11/06/sacrificing-rms-for-mit/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest | Mar 25 11:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Only Person Punished for the Gates-Epstein Connection/Affairs Seems to be Richard Stallman and Now the Libel Resumes | Techrights | Mar 25 11:57 | |
| techrights-bot | Proof (Archived Original Letter): #BillGates Lied to the New Yorker, BBC and Others About Connection of MIT Money to Mr. Jeffrey Epstein and Their Close Relationship • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/gates-mit-letter/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/11/gates-mit-letter/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest | Mar 25 11:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Proof (Archived Original Letter): Bill Gates Lied to the New Yorker, BBC and Others About Connection of MIT Money to Mr. Jeffrey Epstein and Their Close Relationship | Techrights | Mar 25 11:57 | |
| schestowitz | psydroid: bingo | Mar 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | and check who some of them are | Mar 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | not the ones misled by them | Mar 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | they took google bribes | Mar 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | and then hid them | Mar 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | e.g. zini and team | Mar 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | lamb, deblanc | Mar 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | suffice to say, Google is no friend of ours | Mar 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | now Google works to undermine GPL | Mar 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | and it's rapidly getting worse | Mar 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | like http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ | Mar 25 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights | Mar 25 11:59 | |
| techrights-bot | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ | Mar 25 11:59 |
| techrights-bot | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ | Mar 25 12:01 |
| techrights-bot | Many of the same people WHO LEAD and also INITIATE the lynch mobs against RMS (in 2019 and again this year) are people who took bribes from #microsoft and #google and then worked to hide that. You know what they stand to gain (or have gained already)... | Mar 25 12:02 |
| techrights-bot | Wow. Mike Bloomberg has turned his site into #spam and #marketing for #litigation giants that front for #monopolies (like his own)... and they moreover spew out lies about the #UPC https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/leading-questions-hogan-lovells-andreas-von-falck | Mar 25 12:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.bloomberglaw.com | NO TITLE | Mar 25 12:04 | |
| psydroid | schestowitz, exposing political endeavours such as GSoC will be good | Mar 25 12:07 |
| psydroid | it always felt like it was too good to be true, as strings are always attached with these companies | Mar 25 12:07 |
| techrights-bot | No, #ibm #redhat ... sed is a #gnu programs, not "LINUX COMMAND" https://opensource.com/article/21/3/sed-cheat-sheet see http://techrights.org/2020/01/02/gnu-programs-as-linux-commands/ | Mar 25 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to use the Linux sed command | Opensource.com | Mar 25 12:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNU Programs Aren’t “Linux Commands” But GNU Programs | Techrights | Mar 25 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | psydroid: we have some reports on that | Mar 25 12:08 |
| schestowitz | from GSoC mentors | Mar 25 12:09 |
| psydroid | IBM is repeatedly trying to get people interested in their cloud platforms by getting them to sign up for "machine learning" webinars (previously in-person meetups), but more recently I haven't even bothered | Mar 25 12:09 |
| schestowitz | they are presented as ethics | Mar 25 12:09 |
| schestowitz | this way, condemning them is "intolerant" | Mar 25 12:09 |
| schestowitz | better ML than "HEY HI" | Mar 25 12:09 |
| schestowitz | at least ML means something | Mar 25 12:09 |
| techrights-bot | "A ramble about the state of the Linux community and the future of Linux." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iobtELCarvs | Mar 25 12:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Is? - YouTube | Mar 25 12:13 | |
| techrights-bot | A day later some parts of the #redhat site are still partly broken. opensource dot com was down for a long time too. And #fedora had outages. Has #ibm driven THAT MANY people out? | Mar 25 12:15 |
| techrights-bot | #HowTo Choose Between Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu ⇨ https://www.howtogeek.com/718012/how-to-choose-between-ubuntu-kubuntu-xubuntu-and-lubuntu/ •●• #howtogeek #gnu #linux | Mar 25 12:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | How to Choose Between Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu | Mar 25 12:20 | |
| techrights-bot | If it is based on #chromium then it might already be problematic and helpful to #monopoly or at least to #monoculture https://beebom.com/how-install-ungoogled-chromium/ | Mar 25 12:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Install Ungoogled Chromium on Windows, macOS and Linux | Beebom | Mar 25 12:21 | |
| techrights-bot | #Septor 2021.2 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149212 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Septor_2021.2 | Tux Machines | Mar 25 12:23 | |
| techrights-bot | #Peek – A Simple Animated #Gif Screen Recorder for Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149213 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Peek – A Simple Animated Gif Screen Recorder for Linux | Tux Machines | Mar 25 12:23 | |
| techrights-bot | #Kooha – Screen Recorder with #Wayland Support • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149214 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kooha – Screen Recorder with Wayland Support | Tux Machines | Mar 25 12:24 | |
| techrights-bot | #fedora copying #mozilla https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-womens-day-2020-reflection/ | Mar 25 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Fedora Women's Day 2020 Reflection – Fedora Community Blog | Mar 25 12:25 | |
| techrights-bot | #cafc and #ptab still dealing with #fakepatents or low-quality #patents from #uspto https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/a-resilient-petticoat.html | Mar 25 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | A Resilient Petticoat | Patently-O | Mar 25 12:28 | |
| techrights-bot | I am glad to see #watchtroll becoming #marketing spam every third or fourth post. It means that blog (a front for #patenttrolls and monopolies/profiteers) is dying, just trying to 'monetise' what's left of it (same is true for JUVE)... until the death http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Watchtroll | Mar 25 12:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watchtroll - Techrights | Mar 25 12:30 | |
| techrights-bot | ;-) Roy's Law: the closer a blog gets to its ultimate death, the more spam/ads/"sponsored" posts it will run. The audience is gone or going away, so why not squeeze some bucks out of it before it goes offline? That's their thinking... and this is the symptom. | Mar 25 12:32 |
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| techrights-bot | #canonical : we use #microsoft https://ubuntu.com//blog/meet-my-co-worker-webbot | Mar 25 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Meet my co-worker, webbot | Ubuntu | Mar 25 12:34 | |
| techrights-bot | #canonical : we don't do tech, we do buzzwords like "HEY HI" https://ubuntu.com//blog/ai-on-premise-benefits-and-a-predictive-modeling-use-case Does this "HEY HI" run on the smart clown? | Mar 25 12:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AI on premise: benefits and a predictive-modeling use case | Ubuntu | Mar 25 12:36 | |
| techrights-bot | #intel has completely lost its direction http://linuxgizmos.com/intel-to-fab-chips-for-startups-including-risc-v-designs/ see also http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks | Mar 25 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Intel to fab chips for startups, including RISC-V designs | Mar 25 12:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights | Mar 25 12:38 | |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▅▂▃▅▅▃▆▁▃▃▅▆▁▂▂▅█▁▂▁▅▆▆▄▂▅▄▂▃▅▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 17.65 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▂▁▁▃▁▂▁▁▂█▁▂█▂▁▁█▂▃▂▂▃▁▂█▁▁▃▁▅▁ avg(k/sec) 76.53▕ swarm size (avg): 155.12 ⟲ | Mar 25 12:39 |
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| techrights-bot | "The company will provide Android 11.0 and Ubuntu 18.04 for the module" https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/25/firefly-unveils-core-3568j-ai-core-rockchip-rk3568-system-on-module-devkit/ | Mar 25 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Firefly unveils Core-3568J AI Core Rockchip RK3568 system-on-module & devkit | Mar 25 12:40 | |
| DVulgaris | Kek, intlel is drunk on koolaid and woke-ism, they're gonna drive themselves to the ground | Mar 25 12:41 |
| DVulgaris | Not that I'm sad | Mar 25 12:42 |
| psydroid | actually this is one of the better things they could do | Mar 25 12:44 |
| psydroid | realising that x86 is becoming a thing of the past they might focus more on the manufacturing side of things | Mar 25 12:44 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ Activists Counter Anti-Asian #Racism Through Community Safety Initiatives https://truthout.org/articles/activists-counter-anti-asian-racism-through-community-safety-initiatives/ #microsoft pours gasoline into the fire: http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ | Mar 25 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Activists Counter Anti-Asian Racism Through Community Safety Initiatives | Mar 25 12:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and ‘Five Eyes’ Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights | Mar 25 12:48 | |
| schestowitz | DVulgaris: like Mozilla | Mar 25 12:48 |
| schestowitz | it's what they do when projects fail | Mar 25 12:49 |
| schestowitz | like FIrefox | Mar 25 12:49 |
| schestowitz | and Fedora now | Mar 25 12:49 |
| schestowitz | they start trying "alt plans" | Mar 25 12:49 |
| schestowitz | but that tends to alienate half (of more) of what or who is still behind them | Mar 25 12:49 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: they still have competition in feb | Mar 25 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | *fab | Mar 25 12:49 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #Verizon Again Doubles Down On #Yahoo After 6 Years Of Failure https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210323/08410346475/verizon-again-doubles-down-yahoo-after-6-years-failure.shtml #microsoft assassinated Yahoo! http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Hijack_of_Yahoo | Mar 25 12:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Hijack of Yahoo - Techrights | Mar 25 12:51 | |
| psydroid | schestowitz, I know, but I think they are counting on the market expanding | Mar 25 12:52 |
| psydroid | so while they were ahead at first and are now behind, they are looking at becoming competitive again in the near future | Mar 25 12:53 |
| psydroid | whether they will be successful, I don't know and I don't really care | Mar 25 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Intel? | Mar 25 13:01 |
| psydroid | I'm talking mainly about their fab operations | Mar 25 13:06 |
| techrights-bot | #Canonical , Collabora, and #Nextcloud Deliver Work From Home Solution to Raspberry Pi Users • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149215 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical, Collabora, and Nextcloud Deliver Work From Home Solution to Raspberry Pi Users | Tux Machines | Mar 25 13:06 | |
| schestowitz | psydroid: fabulous! | Mar 25 13:10 |
| psydroid | I've read Intel being described somewhere as a world-class chip fabrication company with a mediocre chip design unit attached | Mar 25 13:10 |
| psydroid | yeah | Mar 25 13:10 |
| schestowitz | where is the manufacturing? | Mar 25 13:10 |
| psydroid | mainly in the US, as that's where most of their fabs are | Mar 25 13:13 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Despite A Decade Of Complaints, US Wireless Carriers Continue To Abuse The Word 'Unlimited' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210322/10241046468/despite-decade-complaints-us-wireless-carriers-continue-to-abuse-word-unlimited.shtml | Mar 25 13:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Despite A Decade Of Complaints, US Wireless Carriers Continue To Abuse The Word 'Unlimited' | Techdirt | Mar 25 13:13 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149216 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 25 13:22 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ If #Trump Ever Actually Creates A Social Network Of His Own, You Can Bet It Will Rely On Section 230 https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210323/07195146472/if-trump-ever-actually-creates-social-network-his-own-you-can-bet-it-will-rely-section-230.shtml | Mar 25 13:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If Trump Ever Actually Creates A Social Network Of His Own, You Can Bet It Will Rely On Section 230 | Techdirt | Mar 25 13:26 | |
| techrights-bot | "WiFi is not really designed for kilometer range transmission, but CNLohr previously demonstrated 1km range with ESP8266, and some directional antennas are sold to expand the WiFi range." https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/25/long-range-esp32-wi-fi-development-board-kilometer-range/ we can all do meshed networking with this... | Mar 25 13:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Long range ESP32 Wi-Fi development board promises up to 1.2km range (Crowdfunding) | Mar 25 13:28 | |
| techrights-bot | The site is called #itsfoss but this is #ProprietarySoftware https://itsfoss.com/plausible/ | Mar 25 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-itsfoss.com | Plausible: Privacy-Focused Google Analytics Alternative - It's FOSS | Mar 25 13:33 | |
| techrights-bot | #Vim vs. #Sublime Text Explaining Difference • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149217 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vim vs. Sublime Text Explaining Difference | Tux Machines | Mar 25 13:36 | |
| techrights-bot | #Mesa 21.0.1 Released, 20.3.5 Issued To Close Out The Older Series https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-21.0.1-Released #graphics #linux | Mar 25 13:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa 21.0.1 Released, 20.3.5 Issued To Close Out The Older Series - Phoronix | Mar 25 13:39 | |
| techrights-bot | NVIDIA's Open-Source DALI Reaches Version 1.0 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-DALI-1.0 #nvidia #graphics | Mar 25 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA's Open-Source DALI Reaches Version 1.0 - Phoronix | Mar 25 13:41 | |
| techrights-bot | #intel is pushing #drm again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-VA-API-LibVA-2.11 #linux should shun this: (but Intel keeps doing it) http://techrights.org/2019/04/26/drm-inside-linux/ | Mar 25 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's VA-API Library LibVA 2.11 Released With Support For Protected Content - Phoronix | Mar 25 13:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Research Into Who’s Putting DRM Inside Linux | Techrights | Mar 25 13:45 | |
| techrights-bot | I see that #intel is still outsourcing almost everything to #microsoft and #ProprietarySoftware ... and thus they will never be able to attract good software engineers again http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks | Mar 25 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights | Mar 25 13:47 | |
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| techrights-bot | Graphics: Crocus, #NVIDIA , #Intel , and #Mesa • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149218 •●• #GNU #Linux | Mar 25 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Crocus, NVIDIA, Intel, and Mesa | Tux Machines | Mar 25 13:52 | |
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| techrights-bot | " #DevTools implementation has been completed and this is the third and final part of the mini-series. The focus of this part is on the object inspector, but I have also improved or changed other DevTools parts, so first I will briefly mention those." https://tomazvajngerl.blogspot.com/2021/03/built-in-xray-like-uno-object-inspector_24.html | Mar 25 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tomazvajngerl.blogspot.com | Tomaz's dev blog: Built-in "Xray" like UNO object inspector – Part 3 | Mar 25 13:54 | |
| techrights-bot | Paul E. Mc Kenney: Parallel Programming: Second Edition https://paulmck.livejournal.com/60291.html | Mar 25 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paulmck.livejournal.com | Parallel Programming: Second Edition - Paul E. McKenney's Journal — LiveJournal | Mar 25 13:55 | |
| techrights-bot | Super Resolution Video Enhancing with AMD GPU http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149218#comment-28811 #graphics #linux | Mar 25 13:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Crocus, NVIDIA, Intel, and Mesa | Tux Machines | Mar 25 13:58 | |
| techrights-bot | #microsoft propagandist Kurt Mackie is now pushing #gnu #linux users to install #microsoft #malware with back doors (disguised as "security"). Many people lose sight of the fact that it's people who work for/with Microsoft that push this... (because they don't know the names!) | Mar 25 14:02 |
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| techrights-bot | "Open-source projects have many non-technical needs as they grow. But, running a FOSS non-profit organization for supporting these projects is a lot of work, as anyone involved in such an organization will attest." https://lwn.net/Articles/849442/ | Mar 25 14:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Software platforms for open-source projects and foundations [LWN.net] | Mar 25 14:04 | |
| techrights-bot | Creating an SSH honeypot https://lwn.net/Articles/848291/ #security #bsd #unix #linux | Mar 25 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Creating an SSH honeypot [LWN.net] | Mar 25 14:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.indidea.org/gael/blog/e-2021-the-year-everything-is-going-to-change-1-2-introduction/ | Mar 25 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indidea.org | /e/ & 2021: the year everything is going to change (1/2) — Introduction - Gaël Duval (blog, mandrake, /e/ my data is my data...) | Mar 25 14:10 | |
| techrights-bot | Kernel/LWN: Brute/GRKERNSEC_BRUTE, #Chroot and #LocklessPatterns • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149220 #kernel #linux | Mar 25 14:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel/LWN: Brute/GRKERNSEC_BRUTE, Chroot and Lockless Patterns | Tux Machines | Mar 25 14:12 | |
| techrights-bot | Canonical, #Collabora , #Nextcloud deliver work-from-home solution to Raspberry Pi and enterprise ARM users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149215#comment-28812 | Mar 25 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical, Collabora, and Nextcloud Deliver Work From Home Solution to Raspberry Pi Users | Tux Machines | Mar 25 14:15 | |
| schestowitz | /e/ & 2021: the year everything is going to change (1/2) — Introduction • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149221 | Mar 25 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | /e/ & 2021: the year everything is going to change (1/2) — Introduction | Tux Machines | Mar 25 14:16 | |
| techrights-bot | #MetroExodus arrives for Linux on April 14 | GamingOnLinux ⇨ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/metro-exodus-arrives-for-linux-on-april-14 •●• #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | Mar 25 14:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Metro Exodus arrives for Linux on April 14 | GamingOnLinux | Mar 25 14:18 | |
| techrights-bot | "Easily one of the best games to come to Linux in 2020" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/dead-mage-say-no-to-pai-dlc-children-of-morta-to-get-free-upgrades-soon | Mar 25 14:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dead Mage say no to paid DLC, Children of Morta to get free upgrades soon | GamingOnLinux | Mar 25 14:19 | |
| techrights-bot | " #Subworld just released a major 1.20 upgrade and after quite some time being out of date - the Linux build is once again sorted." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/epic-2d-rpg-chronicon-gets-a-major-upgrade-linux-build-finally-up-to-date | Mar 25 14:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Epic 2D RPG Chronicon gets a major upgrade, Linux build finally up to date | GamingOnLinux | Mar 25 14:20 | |
| techrights-bot | Beyond a Steel Sky releases on DRM-free store GOG with a Linux build up now | GamingOnLinux ⇨ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/beyond-a-steel-sky-releases-on-drm-free-store-gog-with-a-linux-build-up-now •●• #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games #Gaming 🐧 | Mar 25 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beyond a Steel Sky releases on DRM-free store GOG with a Linux build up now | GamingOnLinux | Mar 25 14:22 | |
| techrights-bot | Powered by #linux https://www.maketecheasier.com/nintendo-switch-knockoff-works-powered-android/ | Mar 25 14:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Nintendo Switch Knockoff in Works, Powered by Android - Make Tech Easier | Mar 25 14:28 | |
| techrights-bot | #KDEneon 20210325 is out today. https://neon.kde.org/ #kde #gnu #linux | Mar 25 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon | Mar 25 14:30 | |
| techrights-bot | But can #Mailfence be trusted? I know too little about them... https://blog.thunderbird.net/2021/03/mailfence-encrypted-email-suite-in-thunderbird/ | Mar 25 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.thunderbird.net | Mailfence Encrypted Email Suite in Thunderbird | The Thunderbird Blog | Mar 25 14:32 | |
| techrights-bot | Curiously enough, as is abundantly the case/typical, they don't mention Windows when it comes to ransomware but are happy to insert the word "Linux" in a bad connotation to perpetuate a misleading stigma (you really need to install malicious software on it https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2021/03/25/s3-ep25-drained-accounts-ransomware-attacks-and-linux-badware-podcast/ | Mar 25 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com | S3 Ep25: Drained accounts, ransomware attacks and Linux badware [Podcast] – Naked Security | Mar 25 14:35 | |
| techrights-bot | Generic USB Display Driver "GUD" Slated For Linux 5.13 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149223 •●• #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Generic USB Display Driver "GUD" Slated For Linux 5.13 | Tux Machines | Mar 25 14:35 | |
| techrights-bot | #Games: Metro Exodus, Hair of the Dog, Dead Mage and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149222 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Gaming | Mar 25 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Metro Exodus, Hair of the Dog, Dead Mage and More | Tux Machines | Mar 25 14:35 | |
| techrights-bot | Blobs and #monopolies in #flathub https://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2021/03/25/chromium-on-flathub/ #google now shamelessly shafts #chromium users (and things based on chromium) | Mar 25 14:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Chromium on Flathub – Will Thompson’s GNOME-ish blog | Mar 25 14:37 | |
| techrights-bot | Linux Core Scheduling Nears The Finish Line To Avoid Flipping Off HT - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Core-Scheduling-Linux-Close •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux #Security | Mar 25 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Core Scheduling Nears The Finish Line To Avoid Flipping Off HT - Phoronix | Mar 25 14:44 | |
| techrights-bot | #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora : Flatpak, Fedora Women’s Day and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149224 | Mar 25 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora: Flatpak, Fedora Women’s Day and More | Tux Machines | Mar 25 14:45 | |
| techrights-bot | #clownComputing is so misguided and risky. With #drm you never truly control your #games and merely rent them! Now they take away even your data. https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/steam-cloud-saves/ | Mar 25 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | Steam Cloud Saves: How to Download and Delete Steam Saved Games | Mar 25 14:48 | |
| *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights | Mar 25 14:48 | |
| techrights-bot | #techrights about to release more internal #epo documents. Another scandal! The media in #europe pretends it's not seeing any of it because corrupt EPO management bribes the media. And boasts about it! In the annual reports!! | Mar 25 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/03/25/340/ | Mar 25 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sysdfree.wordpress.com | Roy Marples’ family and friends sharing dhcpcd | systemd-free linux community | Mar 25 14:50 | |
| schestowitz | just published | Mar 25 14:50 |
| techrights-bot | You don't know his name. But you likely use his software. And he needs your help. https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/03/25/340/ | Mar 25 14:51 |
| Ariadne | i feel like mushrooms don't cure metastatic cancer | Mar 25 14:51 |
| MinceR | death caps do :> | Mar 25 14:52 |
| MinceR | (audio:music) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/03/20/8c78e56c8a40f214.mp4 | Mar 25 14:53 |
| techrights-bot | Introducing: Funds for #freesw https://blog.opencollective.com/funds-for-open-source/ "To achieve our goal, we must remove friction between projects, the communities who support them" #opencollective | Mar 25 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.opencollective.com | Introducing: Funds for Open Source. | Mar 25 14:53 | |
| MinceR | host body dies -> tumors die -> no more cancer | Mar 25 14:53 |
| schestowitz | it's not typically infectious though | Mar 25 14:55 |
| schestowitz | I always thought of cancer differently | Mar 25 14:55 |
| schestowitz | in the category sense | Mar 25 14:55 |
| schestowitz | cells divide | Mar 25 14:55 |
| schestowitz | and expand | Mar 25 14:55 |
| schestowitz | cancer is likely to happen under some conditions a lot more | Mar 25 14:56 |
| schestowitz | radiation, some diets, or chemicals | Mar 25 14:56 |
| schestowitz | so "cure for cancer" is a weird concept | Mar 25 14:56 |
| schestowitz | even animals have cancer | Mar 25 14:56 |
| schestowitz | you can reduce the chances of it | Mar 25 14:56 |
| MinceR | there's at least one species that is immune to it, iirc | Mar 25 14:56 |
| schestowitz | or find better ways to detect/remove it, faster | Mar 25 14:56 |
| schestowitz | so it's not a "cure" | Mar 25 14:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: cancer of Capricorn | Mar 25 14:57 |
| MinceR | naked mole rats | Mar 25 14:57 |
| schestowitz | I'm friends with one.. | Mar 25 14:58 |
| techrights-bot | #RaspberryPi CM4 Panel PCs offer IP67 protection, 7-inch display http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149145#comment-28813 #gnu #linux | Mar 25 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Win Enterprises and Chipsee Take on Raspberry Pi CM4 | Tux Machines | Mar 25 15:06 | |
| techrights-bot | The people who pushed to oust RMS, based on a lie, still at it 2 years later http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28814 compare to list in http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/ | Mar 25 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines | Mar 25 15:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guix Petition Demographic Data, by Figosdev | Techrights | Mar 25 15:12 | |
| techrights-bot | #Canonical / #Ubuntu : Ubuntu 21.04 Testing Week and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149225 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical/Ubuntu: Ubuntu 21.04 Testing Week and More | Tux Machines | Mar 25 15:12 | |
| techrights-bot | SHOCK HORROR: #monopolies try to (re)define opposition to monopolies as a "radical" view and bribe orgs to perpetuate this idea that it's "moderate" to foster and support monopolies. #eff #fsfe #sfc etc. | Mar 25 15:17 |
| techrights-bot | #windows refund becoming easier now because #gnu #linux is a solid choice http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148321#comment-28816 | Mar 25 15:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Refund of pre-installed Windows: Lenovo must pay 20,000 euros in damages | Tux Machines | Mar 25 15:17 | |
| techrights-bot | #av1 is actually a highly problematic #patent trap but companies that push for #swpats don't mind. They can exclude the #freesw community that way... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=libaom-3.0-Released see http://techrights.org/2021/03/18/swpats-as-weapon-against-the-community/ | Mar 25 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AOMedia libaom AV1 3.0 Encoder Released With Better Compression Efficiency - Phoronix | Mar 25 15:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Trolling Community Developers of GNU/Linux Via Patent Trolls — Part III: The Technical and Legal Burden as Weapon Against the Community | Techrights | Mar 25 15:20 | |
| techrights-bot | The word "moderate" is typically being weaponised by the most extremist robber barons to classify/divide their critics into "permissible" ones (like the ones they pay) and those whom they cannot control and must somehow marginalise with "good cop, bad cop" | Mar 25 15:22 |
| techrights-bot | "The ’427 patent is related to sensors that generate alarms for a vehicle." #ptab #fakePatents #uspto #patentTrolls #InspireLicensing https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/3/25/inspire-licensing-reexamination-request-granted | Mar 25 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Inspire Licensing reexamination request granted — Unified Patents | Mar 25 15:23 | |
| techrights-bot | #ibm #redhat is #openwashing leadership itself now. "Open leader" https://opensource.com/open-organization/21/3/open-spaces-leadership-talent how about the F word? Freedom... | Mar 25 15:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Elevating open leaders by getting out of their way | Opensource.com | Mar 25 15:25 | |
| techrights-bot | New #AMD Zen 3 Fixes Published For The GCC 11 Compiler - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Zen-3-Inst-Fixes-GCC11 •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest | Mar 25 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New AMD Zen 3 Fixes Published For The GCC 11 Compiler - Phoronix | Mar 25 15:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Mar 25 15:26 | |
| techrights-bot | Just to note: pretty much all the organisations that now work against RMS are largely Google-funded (EFF, SFC, OSI, FSFE etc.) and some also take money from #microsoft ... #justSaying #monopolies | Mar 25 15:30 |
| techrights-bot | Interesting how #redhat and #ibm decided not to publicly speak, not directly at least (this time around), against RMS and FSF. Only using their proxies. #GNOME and Debian are also predominantly #Google funded. Google is a trolling giant. It is. http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ | Mar 25 15:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights | Mar 25 15:31 | |
| techrights-bot | #ibm needs to be very, very careful speaking about RMS because IBM has millions of skeletons in its closets, inc. trans and gays. http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ | Mar 25 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights | Mar 25 15:32 | |
| DVulgaris | Apparently, even EFF are bending the knee to the mob | Mar 25 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 25 15:47 |
| schestowitz | EFF has been bad for year | Mar 25 15:47 |
| schestowitz | *years | Mar 25 15:47 |
| schestowitz | after their founder died | Mar 25 15:47 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/category/eff | Mar 25 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EFF | Techrights | Mar 25 15:48 | |
| schestowitz | chronological | Mar 25 15:48 |
| techrights-bot | ...you didn't think tech companies give money to orgs as a form of "charity", did you? They weaponise them as proxies, against their critics. Now RMS.... these orgs then mislead gullible members to make up online lynch mobs | Mar 25 15:52 |
| techrights-bot | Founder of EFF died. Then, as usual, the org dies. When orgs fall into the wrong hands and utilise goodwill (see #epo for example) to rob and mislead the public... because they just don't truly care about those orgs. Another example is #mozilla | Mar 25 15:53 |
| techrights-bot | Someone should remind corporate lawyer Baker that #mozilla is a tech company... or used to be one. | Mar 25 15:54 |
| MinceR | it was, until they got rid of Eich | Mar 25 15:55 |
| techrights-bot | The #epo fell into the hands of corrupt politicians and now it's dying. Article about this will be ready shortly. ETA 10 mins. | Mar 25 15:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: after him beard | Mar 25 15:55 |
| schestowitz | beard was at least technical | Mar 25 15:55 |
| schestowitz | also there was the cisco guy | Mar 25 15:56 |
| schestowitz | I forgot his name | Mar 25 15:56 |
| schestowitz | he paid mpeg-la | Mar 25 15:56 |
| schestowitz | iirc, 20 million for some lousy mp4 patents | Mar 25 15:56 |
| MinceR | great :> | Mar 25 15:56 |
| MinceR | did he also get the cisco blob in there? | Mar 25 15:56 |
| schestowitz | no, don't think so | Mar 25 15:56 |
| schestowitz | but they did add some extensions and blobs | Mar 25 15:56 |
| schestowitz | they didn't fight for open web anymore | Mar 25 15:57 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/08/28/mozilla-vs-mpegla-trolls/ | Mar 25 15:57 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2012/03/22/mozilla-swpats/ | Mar 25 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Avoids MPEG-LA’s Latest Poison Pill and Rejects Patents Just Like Samba Does | Techrights | Mar 25 15:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla a Victim of the MPEG-LA Cartel | Techrights | Mar 25 15:57 | |
| schestowitz | That's the guy: http://techrights.org/2010/06/02/calmly-supporting-vp8/ | Mar 25 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla’s CEO: “Right Now We Think That It’s Totally Fine to Ship [VP8/WebM], or We Wouldn’t Ship It” | Techrights | Mar 25 15:57 | |
| schestowitz | I wrote this 11 years ago: http://techrights.org/2010/01/27/mozilla-for-theora/ | Mar 25 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla is Fighting for Us | Techrights | Mar 25 15:57 | |
| schestowitz | when they pushed theora | Mar 25 15:57 |
| techrights-bot | #Intel #GNA #Linux Driver Updated For Accelerating Speech Recognition, Noise Reduction • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149227 #kernel | Mar 25 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel GNA Linux Driver Updated For Accelerating Speech Recognition, Noise Reduction | Tux Machines | Mar 25 16:07 | |
| Chaekyung | I've been busy with work this week, tried to skim news headlines just now. There's like a ton of organizations asking for Stallmans head on a plate and some vocal support on the other side too. | Mar 25 16:08 |
| Chaekyung | schestowitz: have you written like a tldr article of who's signed up for stallmans head and where their funding is coming from schestowitz ? | Mar 25 16:09 |
| Chaekyung | it seems a bit odd that it's mostly organizations/corporate-funded on the side of stallmans head on a plate and random normal people on the supporting side | Mar 25 16:09 |
| techrights-bot | Can't wait fro racist #ibm (or #redhat site) to say something about #fsf and #rms ... I already have all my citations ready. | Mar 25 16:10 |
| Chaekyung | It's almost as if someone sent out an e-mail saying "ask for RMSs head on a plate or no more $$$" | Mar 25 16:10 |
| *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has left #techrights | Mar 25 16:10 | |
| *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights | Mar 25 16:11 | |
| Chaekyung | honestly not very eager to write a story about it, just making a list of the organizations asking for his head and looking into their funding would probably take all weekend | Mar 25 16:11 |
| Chaekyung | and I need to study some technical CNC machine drawings | Mar 25 16:12 |
| Chaekyung | perhaps I should draw a PC case with RMSs head, smiling, on the side. some machined "free software" label on the sidepanel | Mar 25 16:13 |
| Chaekyung | (I like that I can make things like that now) | Mar 25 16:13 |
| techrights-bot | Hi! I'm incognito developer. I've just been told a whole bunch of lies by racist companies that try to enlist me into a mob to "Cancel" their critics, who actually speak out against the things they themselves are guilty of. Rage tactics are used a lot by #corporateMedia to divide us and distract us from their owners' crimes. | Mar 25 16:13 |
| schestowitz | [16:09] <Chaekyung> schestowitz: have you written like a tldr article of who's signed up for stallmans head and where their funding is coming from schestowitz ? | Mar 25 16:13 |
| schestowitz | this sunday | Mar 25 16:14 |
| schestowitz | I make a list of posts | Mar 25 16:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28815 | Mar 25 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines | Mar 25 16:14 | |
| schestowitz | I will do an article of video when that storm of lies is over | Mar 25 16:15 |
| techrights-bot | #Privacy and #Mozilla : #Thunderbird / #Mailfence , Tor Browser and TLs • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149228 •●• #TuxMachines | Mar 25 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Privacy and Mozilla: Thunderbird/Mailfence, Tor Browser and TLs | Tux Machines | Mar 25 16:16 | |
| techrights-bot | #Devices and #OpenHardware : Raspberry Pi Pico, Firefly and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149229 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices and Open Hardware: Raspberry Pi Pico, Firefly and More | Tux Machines | Mar 25 16:16 | |
| Chaekyung | perhaps I should write an article highlighting https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ and just casually mention who the judases on the other side are | Mar 25 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS. | Mar 25 16:16 | |
| techrights-bot | #cancelBillGates http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/bagel-reports-as-images/ | Mar 25 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Trafficking Thousands of Underage Women/Girls for Sex is Not (and Was Never Ever) ‘No Worse Than Stealing a Bagel’ | Techrights | Mar 25 16:17 | |
| techrights-bot | #cancelMonopolies http://techrights.org/2020/09/30/ibm-and-sexual-abuse-of-women/ | Mar 25 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The ‘Access Watson Tapes’: Rare Richard Nixon Tape on Former IBM President and Son of IBM’s Founder Engaging in Sexual Abuse of Women | Techrights | Mar 25 16:17 | |
| Chaekyung | hmm yeah I think I'll do that, just write a overly positive article about the support RMS has and either not at all or with just one paragraph give the critics attention | Mar 25 16:17 |
| techrights-bot | #cancelWatson http://techrights.org/2020/07/26/ibm-watson-plane-incident/ | Mar 25 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meet the IBM Watsons: Sponsors of Richard Nixon and Abusers of Women | Techrights | Mar 25 16:18 | |
| schestowitz | Chaekyung: I try to stay on topic | Mar 25 16:18 |
| schestowitz | I saw what you wrote about gemini | Mar 25 16:18 |
| schestowitz | not sure if inspired by my post from yesterday | Mar 25 16:18 |
| schestowitz | we need to talk about the FSF | Mar 25 16:18 |
| schestowitz | but in relation to what matters | Mar 25 16:18 |
| schestowitz | not some mailing list email from 2 years ago | Mar 25 16:18 |
| schestowitz | don't mention github petitions | Mar 25 16:19 |
| schestowitz | they won't do a think | Mar 25 16:19 |
| schestowitz | it's a joke and Microsoft spies on everything there | Mar 25 16:19 |
| schestowitz | and profiling people, e.g. "thought aboyut signing" | Mar 25 16:19 |
| schestowitz | they can then use that to target people | Mar 25 16:19 |
| schestowitz | to egg them on | Mar 25 16:19 |
| schestowitz | "BI" | Mar 25 16:19 |
| Chaekyung | yeah it's a shame it's on github. but it does show that 1600 people, at minimum, care about RMS | Mar 25 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I lacked time today ti write about FSF and start working in one hour | Mar 25 16:19 |
| schestowitz | petitions war on a Miceosoft turf | Mar 25 16:20 |
| schestowitz | we know whose side Microsoft is on | Mar 25 16:20 |
| schestowitz | don't waste time on it | Mar 25 16:20 |
| schestowitz | write positive things | Mar 25 16:20 |
| schestowitz | about SF | Mar 25 16:20 |
| schestowitz | why software freedom matters and what it stands for | Mar 25 16:20 |
| schestowitz | not Google etc. | Mar 25 16:20 |
| schestowitz | but against them | Mar 25 16:20 |
| schestowitz | this is why they want RMS out | Mar 25 16:20 |
| schestowitz | they liked a toothless FSF for 18 months | Mar 25 16:20 |
| schestowitz | With RMS back his first talk (this past weekend) was about why chromeos and stuff is bad | Mar 25 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Android is a bit money maker for GOogle | Mar 25 16:21 |
| schestowitz | and "store" or "play" a lot of control | Mar 25 16:21 |
| schestowitz | they don't want some "pesky" ol man to blast their shit | Mar 25 16:21 |
| schestowitz | so they scatter some bucks at FSF, SFC etc. | Mar 25 16:21 |
| schestowitz | and commandeer them | Mar 25 16:22 |
| schestowitz | and if you react to that, they call you names | Mar 25 16:22 |
| schestowitz | "bigots" etc. | Mar 25 16:22 |
| schestowitz | remember.... Google does this... FOR THE LAdiES | Mar 25 16:22 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/ | Mar 25 16:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outreachy as ‘Hush Money’ (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights | Mar 25 16:22 | |
| schestowitz | Also Google: our managers (male) get blow jobs from ladies | Mar 25 16:22 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 doesn't like that part | Mar 25 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Another one | Mar 25 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Debian: we take $300,000 from Google | Mar 25 16:23 |
| schestowitz | and then attack people who talk about it | Mar 25 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Also Debian: you can become a Debian Developer (DD) without coding or knowing how to code... just spread the legs for DPL Chris Lamb | Mar 25 16:23 |
| schestowitz | (sorry for the crude language, but it's TRUE) | Mar 25 16:24 |
| *schestowitz gives voice to CrystalMath | Mar 25 16:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | <techrights-bot "#cancelBillGates http://techrigh"> Stealing a bagel seems to be what one would do if they were starving, and depriving the owner of a bagel that they probably baked too many of anyway is a minor offense, but the state still punishes it severely. | Mar 25 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrigh ) | Mar 25 16:26 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe someday we'll get a court ruling that makes it okay to steal a bagel if the state won't provide you any food. | Mar 25 16:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59's very progressive California, which has had some of the worst anti-homeless laws in America, had another one struck down recently. | Mar 25 16:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were trying to force people who had nowhere else to sleep out of the parks and sidewalks. The Ninth Circuit ruled that the state can't do that unless it gives them somewhere to live. | Mar 25 16:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A rare bit of sanity from the court system. | Mar 25 16:28 |
| CrystalMath | https://nitter.eu/n4of7/status/1375112542595481607 | Mar 25 16:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | Leah Rowe (@n4of7): "https://www.fsf.org/news/preliminary-board-statement-on-fsf-governance What it does: > staff appoints board! many oppose RMS > staff will choose who to support, eg. LP2021 speakers > *most LP2021 speakers signed anti-RMS petition* > speakers include OSI and Gnome Foundation members This is a coup! Hostile take over of FSF." | nitter | Mar 25 16:28 | |
| CrystalMath | latest news, very bad | Mar 25 16:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The folks who say we're in a new gilded age aren't far from the truth. | Mar 25 16:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Complete with prison for stealing bread and prison for not being able to purchase a place to sleep. | Mar 25 16:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's the Democrats passing most of it. | Mar 25 16:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Harsh punishment for taking care of an urgent bodily need sounds cruel, but what do I know? | Mar 25 16:30 |
| techrights-bot | #EPO Staff Representation Again Warns About Collapse in #Patent Quality (Due to Bad Management), Suggests Potential Improvements http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/epo-potential-improvements/ #patents #europe | Mar 25 16:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Staff Representation Again Warns About Collapse in Patent Quality (Due to Bad Management), Suggests Potential Improvements | Techrights | Mar 25 16:30 | |
| techrights-bot | "This is a coup! Hostile take over of FSF." https://nitter.eu/n4of7/status/1375112542595481607 | Mar 25 16:31 |
| techrights-bot | "If you have software released under GNU GPLv3 *or later*, relicense it to GPLv3-only. Do it now." https://nitter.eu/n4of7/status/1375112542595481607 | Mar 25 16:32 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: carry on fighting back | Mar 25 16:33 |
| schestowitz | they lost momentum | Mar 25 16:33 |
| schestowitz | the media is paid to support one side | Mar 25 16:33 |
| schestowitz | and give a false sense/impression | Mar 25 16:33 |
| schestowitz | and to try to sway gullible devs | Mar 25 16:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I always thought that the "Or later" part was a mistake, personally. | Mar 25 16:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As did many people who opposed RMS and didn't want him to be able to choose their next license. | Mar 25 16:34 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: the FSF is literally openly attacking the board and looking to lawyers to change the bylaws | Mar 25 16:34 |
| CrystalMath | *FSF staff | Mar 25 16:34 |
| Ariadne | yeah i have bad news for you | Mar 25 16:34 |
| Ariadne | nobody is looking to reject RMS so they can revise a new version of the GPL | Mar 25 16:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty clear that anyone who ends up controlling the FSF can relicense that software by encouraging a fork under new terms that you haven't been able to read yet. | Mar 25 16:35 |
| Ariadne | sure, but this has nothing to do with GPL | Mar 25 16:35 |
| schestowitz | it's about freedom | Mar 25 16:35 |
| schestowitz | of speech | Mar 25 16:35 |
| schestowitz | of software | Mar 25 16:35 |
| schestowitz | 'Clown computing" | Mar 25 16:35 |
| schestowitz | nothing to do with women | Mar 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | or ableism | Mar 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | because you see the hypocrisy | Mar 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | sexists accusing RMS | Mar 25 16:36 |
| MinceR | exploiting the "# or newer" version clause for the GPL does have something to do with the GPL :> | Mar 25 16:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you want to relicense later, having read the new terms, you can always do that then. | Mar 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | and people who bash him for "autism" | Mar 25 16:36 |
| Ariadne | i'm a sexist now? | Mar 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | those are just excuses | Mar 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: not you | Mar 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | but those who lead the coup are | Mar 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | esp. the corporations | Mar 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | and the orgs they commandeer | Mar 25 16:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Besides, the nudge to abandon the GPL seems to be working, in many cases. | Mar 25 16:36 |
| Ariadne | yes, I am sure MousePaw Media, Inc is working to hand all GPL code to Microsoft | Mar 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | it's not a new thing | Mar 25 16:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where it isn't, they write some replacement component. | Mar 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | we've covered the war on GPL for 15 years | Mar 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | it's still a popular licence regardless | Mar 25 16:37 |
| MinceR | the redmond mafia has many fronts | Mar 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: it's not about Microsoft | Mar 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | it's about many firms | Mar 25 16:37 |
| MinceR | the armonk mafia might as well | Mar 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Google and IBM also | Mar 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Salesforce is another | Mar 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | anyway, this isn't about ethics | Mar 25 16:38 |
| MinceR | google and crApple made their antipathy to copyleft known, too | Mar 25 16:38 |
| Ariadne | well if the new board rewrites the GPL i will eat a hat | Mar 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | it's about giving more power to companies that bought the orgs | Mar 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | SFC, OSI, even EFF | Mar 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | they don't pay them "charity" | Mar 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | they buy control over them | Mar 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | in the same way Bill Gates buys control over publishers | Mar 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: true | Mar 25 16:39 |
| schestowitz | it's a general issue | Mar 25 16:39 |
| schestowitz | the general public licence names no companies | Mar 25 16:39 |
| schestowitz | or "ethics" | Mar 25 16:39 |
| schestowitz | it specifies things in generic terms | Mar 25 16:39 |
| schestowitz | that harm some ageing business models | Mar 25 16:39 |
| schestowitz | because you can always, for instance, make another centos | Mar 25 16:39 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▅▂▃▅▅▃▆▁▃▃▅▆▁▂▂▅█▁▂▁▅▆▆▄▂▅▄▂▃▅▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 17.65 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▂▁▁▃▁▂▁▁▂█▁▂█▂▁▁█▂▃▂▂▃▁▂█▁▁▃▁▅▁ avg(k/sec) 76.53▕ swarm size (avg): 155.12 ⟲ | Mar 25 16:39 |
| schestowitz | IBM must really want another proprietary UNIX | Mar 25 16:39 |
| schestowitz | but then we can clone it | Mar 25 16:39 |
| schestowitz | LOL :-) | Mar 25 16:39 |
| schestowitz | well player, RMS | Mar 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | *plaed | Mar 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | played even | Mar 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | GitHub buy was a failure | Mar 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | they still lose money | Mar 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | and they don't get their way | Mar 25 16:40 |
| MinceR | they could create one, if they had software engineers | Mar 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/ | Mar 25 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights | Mar 25 16:40 | |
| MinceR | but of course they don't | Mar 25 16:40 |
| MinceR | so they parasitize the community | Mar 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | people, I've read this week, flee to SELF-HOSTED repos | Mar 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | no more "open a free account" | Mar 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | they now know better | Mar 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | so Microsoft is left with another dud like CodePlex | Mar 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | give it a few more years | Mar 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | they swallow NPM | Mar 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | then serve malware through it | Mar 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | people will move away | Mar 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | we have a better message | Mar 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | techrights will highlight all these issues | Mar 25 16:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they want Discord for ten billion dollars, apparently. | Mar 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | the attacks on RMS won't sway the hardcore folks | Mar 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | they will just make them more angry at SFC, OSI etc. | Mar 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | those will render themselves obsolete | Mar 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | like OSI | Mar 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | they will be dumped as soon as they have no influence left, their rich patrons/sponsored will not renew | Mar 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | and then we'll be left with fewer turncoats | Mar 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | which is good | Mar 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | that petition contains many of the predictable names | Mar 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | not all | Mar 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | like Andy | Mar 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | and Karen | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | all those people who have long worked 'secretly' against RMS | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | X was never that close to himhttp://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/ | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/ | Mar 25 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Keith Packard: Richard Stallman Was Right (About the GPL) | Techrights | Mar 25 16:43 | |
| schestowitz | so it's not shocking to find it there | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Debian leadership hides GOogle money | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | TONS of money | Mar 25 16:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $10 billion for Discord though. | Mar 25 16:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The return of IRCX.... LOL | Mar 25 16:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $10 billion, why not? | Mar 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | enough to move a lot of the Debian CI stuff to Google, outsourcing the project to NSAGoogle | Mar 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: they are irrelevant | Mar 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | linkedin is irrelevant | Mar 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | money down the drain | Mar 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | another write-off, another loss for another year | Mar 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | linkedin has more layoffs | Mar 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | it's even more irrelevant due to theb pandemic | Mar 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft just rebrands Skype | Mar 25 16:45 |
| schestowitz | and everything gets called "cloid" | Mar 25 16:45 |
| schestowitz | to fake growrth | Mar 25 16:45 |
| schestowitz | azure is a failure | Mar 25 16:45 |
| schestowitz | losses and layoffs | Mar 25 16:45 |
| schestowitz | for a factc | Mar 25 16:45 |
| MinceR | maybe they won't rebrand it | Mar 25 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Discord is of no value | Mar 25 16:45 |
| MinceR | as they didn't rebrand shithub | Mar 25 16:45 |
| Ariadne | [10:44:04] <DaemonFC[m]> The return of IRCX.... LOL | Mar 25 16:46 |
| schestowitz | so I doubt they will buy Discord, but they might be dumb enough... look how much they paid (in funny money) to linked ^_^ | Mar 25 16:46 |
| Ariadne | i wrote an IRCX server last year during lockdown | Mar 25 16:46 |
| MinceR | y tho | Mar 25 16:46 |
| Ariadne | boredom | Mar 25 16:46 |
| superkuh | No value? | Mar 25 16:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 25 16:46 |
| Ariadne | had some hard core comic chatting to do man | Mar 25 16:46 |
| Ariadne | you know how it be | Mar 25 16:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 25 16:46 |
| superkuh | I used to think that they were relying on selling user data but they've released financial information and it seems they are profitable just selling "features". | Mar 25 16:46 |
| Techrights-sec | https://soylentnews.org/~takyon/journal/7354 | Mar 25 16:46 |
| Techrights-sec | :( distraction from the Gates-Epstein-MIT scandal proper | Mar 25 16:46 |
| MinceR | does comic chat even do anything about IRCX? | Mar 25 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Journal of takyon (881) | Mar 25 16:46 | |
| MinceR | i thought it just used plain PRIVMSGs starting with "# " | Mar 25 16:47 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: yeah it uses the side-channel on IRCX servers instead | Mar 25 16:47 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 25 16:47 |
| schestowitz | I've read that Twitter dumping Vine cost them a lot | Mar 25 16:48 |
| schestowitz | people flocked to that crap called tiktok | Mar 25 16:48 |
| schestowitz | discord is used by many gamers, but then again, what's the strategic value buying it? | Mar 25 16:48 |
| schestowitz | I never understand why they wrote down so much in 'funny money' for minecraft's company | Mar 25 16:49 |
| schestowitz | it didn't age well or work out financially | Mar 25 16:49 |
| schestowitz | they keep grabbing totally useless companies | Mar 25 16:49 |
| schestowitz | while windows relative market share is in freefall | Mar 25 16:49 |
| MinceR | it might have to do with a pathological craving to have users | Mar 25 16:49 |
| schestowitz | same for server side, not just laptops/desktops | Mar 25 16:49 |
| Ariadne | the reason why people liked vine and tiktok is because those apps come with video editing and effects | Mar 25 16:49 |
| MinceR | to have people depend on them, so they have leverage over them | Mar 25 16:49 |
| schestowitz | I see.. | Mar 25 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I never saw or used it | Mar 25 16:50 |
| MinceR | and then they can force those people via dicksword to buy more microshit products | Mar 25 16:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but the choices are poor | Mar 25 16:50 |
| Ariadne | i wish someone would make a basic FOSS video editing app with the same capabilities | Mar 25 16:50 |
| MinceR | like Backdoors and suXbox | Mar 25 16:50 |
| schestowitz | btw, raspi seems to be fixing things | Mar 25 16:50 |
| MinceR | they always were | Mar 25 16:50 |
| schestowitz | they quietly remove trhe repo | Mar 25 16:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AstraZeneca gets caught with 29 million doses hidden in Italy and then says it's for poor countries under COVAX. | Mar 25 16:50 |
| schestowitz | after the backlash | Mar 25 16:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Mar 25 16:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably doing what those hospitals and weed doctors in Illinois did. | Mar 25 16:50 |
| schestowitz | but they won't publicly acknowledge that | Mar 25 16:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Slip it to rich people for cash. | Mar 25 16:50 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: LIVES, Cinelerra, Kdenlive? | Mar 25 16:51 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: those aren't the same | Mar 25 16:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: made in India | Mar 25 16:51 |
| schestowitz | for cheap | Mar 25 16:51 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: tiktok is designed for people not familiar with video production | Mar 25 16:51 |
| schestowitz | anyway, vaccines are off-topic here, DaemonFC[m] | Mar 25 16:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A hospital in Chicago had their CEO resign after it became known publicly that he had been slipping doses to people living in Trump Tower instead of the community that the hospital was in. | Mar 25 16:52 |
| Ariadne | creating a video editing tool designed for casual users would be a huge boon for FOSS like GIMP was | Mar 25 16:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/hexchat/9nrrbgttm4j2?activetab=pivot:overviewtab | Mar 25 16:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Mar 25 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Buy HexChat - Microsoft Store | Mar 25 16:56 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can give you a program for free by setting the Free Trial to have all the same features and never expire. | Mar 25 16:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The purchase doesn't do anything to the program. It's just a donation. But if you do it this way, Microsoft takes 30%. | Mar 25 16:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Now Microsoft is doing "Delivery Optimization" of Windows 10 appas through other people's PCs on the internet. | Mar 25 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And yours if you don't turn that "feature" off. | Mar 25 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pushing their bandwidth bills down to your Comcrap allotment. | Mar 25 17:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How lovely. | Mar 25 17:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Plan-9-2021 | Mar 25 17:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Plan 9 Copyright Transferred To Foundation, MIT Licensed Code Released - Phoronix | Mar 25 17:04 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Code dump. Plan 9 is "Clown" now. | Mar 25 17:04 |
| MinceR | :( | Mar 25 17:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Phoronix also reported that Fedora 34 won't have GNOME 40, but Fedora says it will. | Mar 25 17:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's pretty sloppy. | Mar 25 17:10 |
| psydroid | <DaemonFC[m] "schestowitz: Now Microsoft is do"> In fact creating a large botnet by itself, how bizarre | Mar 25 17:15 |
| MinceR | not that bizarre | Mar 25 17:16 |
| CrystalMath | that sounds like a joke | Mar 25 17:16 |
| MinceR | they bought skype which also had a botnet built in | Mar 25 17:16 |
| CrystalMath | you know, like some #osdev people say, "this is the year of the <my OS> desktop" | Mar 25 17:16 |
| CrystalMath | plan9 cloud infrastructure, INTERCAL on Interstates... | Mar 25 17:16 |
| MinceR | i'm still waiting for the year of the windows desktop | Mar 25 17:16 |
| MinceR | like, when they'll have a working USB stack | Mar 25 17:16 |
| MinceR | or a working windowing system | Mar 25 17:16 |
| MinceR | or a working filesystem | Mar 25 17:17 |
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| XFaCE | Ah yes, channel splits. | Mar 25 17:30 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: it's coming back to me now. | Mar 25 17:30 |
| *MinceR gives voice to techrights-bot wineroots | Mar 25 17:30 | |
| MinceR | huh? | Mar 25 17:30 |
| techrights-bot | Stable Kernels: 5.10.26 and 5.11.10 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149233 •●• #GNU #Linux #kernel | Mar 25 17:30 |
| MinceR | server restarts, actually :> | Mar 25 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.10.26 and 5.11.10 | Tux Machines | Mar 25 17:30 | |
| XFaCE | I have a bunch of disconnection log entries in a group | Mar 25 17:31 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: tomato tomato :P | Mar 25 17:31 |
| techrights-bot | Let’s Try #GNOME 40 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149234 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 25 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Let's Try GNOME 40 | Tux Machines | Mar 25 17:31 | |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 25 17:31 |
| techrights-bot | #FreeSoftware Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149235 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw | Mar 25 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 25 17:31 | |
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| superkuh | It's not a bot attack. It's just rebooting for openssl updates. | Mar 25 17:51 |
| superkuh | re: voicing | Mar 25 17:52 |
| psymin | yay! | Mar 25 17:52 |
| psymin | I hope it is okay that I disconnect at least daily | Mar 25 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | yes | Mar 25 17:53 |
| MinceR | i don't see why it wouldn't be | Mar 25 17:53 |
| psymin | it removes voice :) | Mar 25 17:54 |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Mar 25 17:58 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Mar 25 17:58 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Mar 25 17:58 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Mar 25 18:05 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Mar 25 18:05 | |
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| XRevan86 | Where is my update, Debian!? | Mar 25 18:06 |
| XRevan86 | Ubuntu already has it. | Mar 25 18:07 |
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| MinceR | lol | Mar 25 18:07 |
| MinceR | maybe in testing | Mar 25 18:07 |
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| XFaCE | <+superkuh> It's not a bot attack. It's just rebooting for openssl updates. | Mar 25 18:07 |
| XFaCE | could have used libressl | Mar 25 18:08 |
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| XFaCE | *chuckle* | Mar 25 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | XFaCE: It's not affected? | Mar 25 18:08 |
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| XFaCE | no idea | Mar 25 18:08 |
| schestowitz | [18:05] <XFaCE> well that's annoying eh MinceR | Mar 25 18:08 |
| schestowitz | [18:05] <MinceR> indeed | Mar 25 18:08 |
| schestowitz | they warned about it in advance | Mar 25 18:08 |
| MinceR | i know | Mar 25 18:08 |
| schestowitz | [18:03] <XFaCE> netsplit 2 | Mar 25 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | [18:04] <XFaCE> uh oh | Mar 25 18:08 |
| schestowitz | missing from the logger | Mar 25 18:08 |
| XFaCE | I didn't get the warning. | Mar 25 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, I see, unattended-upgrades got the upgrade in already :D | Mar 25 18:08 |
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| XRevan86 | never mind | Mar 25 18:08 |
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| XFaCE | so I'm guess that a pretty big openssl security exploit happened | Mar 25 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | I checked on 3 machines, I think the logger has everything preserved now | Mar 25 18:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois governor calls jumping the vaccine line reprehensible. | Mar 25 18:10 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe, but if the government doesn't secure the line and the priority system falls apart and it's a free for all anyway... | Mar 25 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whose fault is it really? | Mar 25 18:11 |
| MinceR | you'll get a different answer from every politician | Mar 25 18:12 |
| MinceR | curiously, the set will always exclude the politician you hear it from | Mar 25 18:13 |
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| MinceR | https://assets.amuniversal.com/ec556be0fb5b01382ef9005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-11-09 ) | Mar 25 18:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No Performance Reviews - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2020-11-09 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Mar 25 18:15 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Mar 25 18:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wasn't he a former IBM employee? | Mar 25 18:17 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 25 18:18 |
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| XRevan86 | > leading to a crash and a denial of service attack. | Mar 25 18:23 |
| XRevan86 | Well, not the worst fate. | Mar 25 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | has the dust settled? | Mar 25 18:26 |
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| XFaCE | +v prurigro | Mar 25 18:28 |
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| prurigro | thx | Mar 25 18:29 |
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| -freenode-connect-Welcome to freenode. To protect the network all new connections will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified. | Mar 25 18:31 | |
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| XFaCE | so close | Mar 25 18:32 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/19/c610df12c8ba2426.mp4 | Mar 25 18:45 |
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| XFaCE | -freenode-connect- Welcome to freenode. To protect the network all new connections will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified. | Mar 25 18:57 |
| XFaCE | resistance is futile | Mar 25 18:57 |
| MinceR | lower your shields and surrender your ship | Mar 25 18:59 |
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| Ariadne | [12:09:33] <XFaCE> so I'm guess that a pretty big openssl security exploit happened | Mar 25 19:15 |
| Ariadne | no, it is pretty boring | Mar 25 19:16 |
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| XFaCE | you know you can message me on element lol | Mar 25 19:16 |
| Ariadne | related to curve parameters | Mar 25 19:16 |
| MinceR | i thought it was the certificate purpose thing | Mar 25 19:16 |
| Ariadne | idk | Mar 25 19:17 |
| XFaCE | oh wait, not a dm, I'm silly | Mar 25 19:17 |
| Ariadne | there were 2 CVEs | Mar 25 19:17 |
| Ariadne | i only looked at the first one | Mar 25 19:17 |
| MinceR | https://assets.amuniversal.com/c4ad7860fb5e01382efc005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-11-21 ) | Mar 25 19:18 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 25 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Smells Like A Trap - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2020-11-21 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Mar 25 19:18 | |
| Ariadne | if you all want popcorn material, Debian is having a General Resolution to vote on The Letter(tm). https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/threads.html#00146 | Mar 25 19:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org | debian-vote Mar 2021 by thread | Mar 25 19:20 | |
| Ariadne | the conclusion of the Alpine core team is that it was inappropriate for Alpine to comment on a letter which makes specified demands from another organization | Mar 25 19:21 |
| Ariadne | i'm not sure what Fedora is doing yet | Mar 25 19:21 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: imagine if Debian devs stopped acting like politicians and started acting like developers | Mar 25 19:22 |
| MinceR | they're not devs | Mar 25 19:22 |
| MinceR | they're ibm puppets | Mar 25 19:22 |
| XFaCE | well for one thing the mailing list would have less redundant words | Mar 25 19:22 |
| MinceR | the entire project is redundant ever since they decided to reproduce fedora with a lot of extra work | Mar 25 19:22 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: Fedora is currently introducing another breakage. | Mar 25 19:23 |
| MinceR | 1 person could comfortably respin fedora install media with a deadian logo and name and it would accomplish the exact same thing | Mar 25 19:23 |
| MinceR | every other systemd distribution could do the same | Mar 25 19:23 |
| Ariadne | a yes, the account system debacle | Mar 25 19:23 |
| MinceR | this "open letter" seems pretty useful, actually | Mar 25 19:32 |
| MinceR | as a list of people who should never be trusted near any free software project | Mar 25 19:32 |
| psymin | Yep | Mar 25 19:38 |
| psydroid | but still acting as gatekeepers based on criteria other than technical skills and experience | Mar 25 19:45 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Socially acceptable opinions. Yes, the very progressive mjg59. Certain people can't possibly be held accountable for their actions because of years and years of oppression involving being the primary users of the welfare state and quotas. | Mar 25 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not racist at all to suggest that people can't get somewhere on their own and need lots of help and qualifications disregarded. | Mar 25 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When organizations become so stack with people who don't know what they're doing because they were put there to make the organization look progressive (while the Chinese laugh at what goes on here, and so does Putin), the US will be a paradise. | Mar 25 20:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/ct-lns-waukegan-shooting-st-0326-20210325-d5q7lqw7m5d7finpauajzuhvy4-story.html | Mar 25 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagotribune.com | Gurnee man dies after Waukegan shooting - Chicago Tribune | Mar 25 20:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Drove past this yesterday. | Mar 25 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The cops and the Coroner were out there. They had the gas station I usually use all taped up as a crime scene. | Mar 25 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The EMA review of the Pfizer vaccine suggests that by this Sunday I should be out of the woods as far as the possibility of a severe COVID-19 infection goes. | Mar 25 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe we'll go see a movie or something on Tuesday. | Mar 25 20:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/25/politics/georgia-state-house-voting-bill-passage/index.html | Mar 25 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Georgia voting bill sent immediately to state Senate after House vote - CNNPolitics | Mar 25 20:32 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So let me get this straight. It requires you to know your SSN, DLN, or state ID number and write it on your ballot, therefore racism. | Mar 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | >> Why did the FSF give an award to him? And Deb (OSI)? And Kuhn? | Mar 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | > If I had to guess, I'd cynically say it was to pester and defy RMS. | Mar 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | > It's the only explanation that even begins to make sense to me. | Mar 25 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Holy shit this is stupid. Thanks CNN. | Mar 25 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I think they are worse than BillBC. | Mar 25 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BillBC doesn't have an entire section where they disguise pitches for shitty products on Amazon as news, AFAIK. | Mar 25 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, BBC is also a slang term for big black cock. Although in the context of Bill, his probably is big when he whips it out in front of a 12 year old. | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Re: Actions against Stallman | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > New actions against Stallman by deblanc and other usual suspects: | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ <https://rms-open-letter.github.io/> | Mar 25 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.io | Mar 25 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > (very fitting that it's hosted on MS Github) | Mar 25 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder if he has a new "finder" yet now that Epstein is deader than a Texas salad bar. | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > It seems the attempt to relate him to Epstein failed, so now the | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > accusations are generic: "mysoginist, ableist and transphobic". | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > Justification or evidence for this isn't even attempted. | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > A new development too is that they now call for the *whole* board of | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > directors to resign, and to people and companies to stop contributing to | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > GNU and any other FSF related project. | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > Deblanc seemingly has the support of the FSF staff: | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > https://nitter.dark.fail/mmillions/status/1374071228747689989 | Mar 25 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.dark.fail | M dB (@mmillions): "P.S. SO MUCH LOVE to the @fsf staff! You all deserve nice things." | nitter | Mar 25 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | > <https://nitter.dark.fail/mmillions/status/1374071228747689989> | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > The FSF board of directors should seriously consider firing a staff that | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > constantly conspires against their employers. | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > Mozilla supports the letter as well (not surprised at all): | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > https://nitter.dark.fail/mozilla/status/1374513444838199304 | Mar 25 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.dark.fail | Mozilla (@mozilla): "We can't demand better of the internet if we don't demand better of our leaders, colleagues and ourselves. We're with the Open Source Diversity Community, Outreachy & the Software Conservancy project in supporting this petition: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/" | nitter | Mar 25 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | > <https://nitter.dark.fail/mozilla/status/1374513444838199304> | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > You have a lot of readers, maybe you could suggest sparing a few bucks | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > (if one is able to) as a donation to the FSF and state as a reason | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > "Return of RMS", as is being suggested by some free software supporters. | Mar 25 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | > It's crucial to make visible that most free software supporters support | Mar 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > Stallman too and don't fall for this lies, the Twitter crowd is just a | Mar 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | > loud and obnoxious minority. Influential, but a minority. | Mar 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for your good job, Techrights! | Mar 25 20:36 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't really read up too much on the Epstein stuff, but I wonder if anyone investigated the parents. | Mar 25 20:37 |
| MinceR | lol @ mozilla demanding better of the internet | Mar 25 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, "Oh I just casually brought my 13 year old over and left them alone unsupervised." x like 50 of them. | Mar 25 20:37 |
| MinceR | is that forcing users to run poetteringaudio is now? | Mar 25 20:38 |
| MinceR | fuck mozilla | Mar 25 20:38 |
| MinceR | s/that/that what/ | Mar 25 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "mysoginist" | Mar 25 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla. Hires college graduates that misspell misogynist. | Mar 25 20:39 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▅▂▃▅▅▃▆▁▃▃▅▆▁▂▂▅█▁▂▁▅▆▆▄▂▅▄▂▃▅▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 17.65 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▂▁▁▃▁▂▁▁▂█▁▂█▂▁▁█▂▃▂▂▃▁▂█▁▁▃▁▅▁ avg(k/sec) 76.53▕ swarm size (avg): 155.12 ⟲ | Mar 25 20:39 |
| psydroid | the worrying thing to me is that I have recently been thinking that the plan was all along to embrace, extend and ultimately extinguish the original GNU projects and only keep the extended versions without making it too obvious | Mar 25 20:39 |
| psydroid | a strategy executed over a period of decades | Mar 25 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla doesn't have any relationship with FSF and never has. FSF had to fork Mozilla and do a substantial amount of stripping to get rid of binaries and recommendations for non-Free software over the years. AFAIK, Mozilla has never contributed to the FSF as far as money goes. Mozilla showed their true face many times, including foisting Google's DRM blob on people. | Mar 25 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they want to wag the finger at the FSF. | Mar 25 20:41 |
| MinceR | they also foisted cisco's h.264 blob on people | Mar 25 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla, in fact, also got rid of their GCC builds and replaced them with Clang, and then to dodge criticism, they compared the performance of a really old GCC series to the then-current Clang builds. | Mar 25 20:42 |
| psydroid | I'm talking about the likes of Red Hat, SUSE, IBM etc. | Mar 25 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "they also foisted cisco's h.264 "> Which lacks hardware acceleration (or sound) and tries to play HTML 5 videos in that format in a very broken way instead of loading codecs from the OS that can handle it fine. (Linux is a P1 platform, you know.) :) | Mar 25 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | h.264 works fine and the patent pool will expire soon. | Mar 25 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Can't have that. | Mar 25 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's MP3 all over again at that point. | Mar 25 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The MPEG-LA knows it's going to struggle to get anyone to adopt h.266 (VVC) now. | Mar 25 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they continue to develop it anyway because threats of a lawsuit may yet work. | Mar 25 20:45 |
| psymin | glad to hear h264 will expire soon | Mar 25 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As far as I can tell, the last of the major patents on its profiles were granted in 2004. | Mar 25 20:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Which would put the functional expiration sometime about 3 years from now. | Mar 25 20:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | There are other patents that kept being issued through 2007 I believe, but they're not necessary for a conforming implementation. | Mar 25 20:46 |
| Ariadne | [14:39:55] <psydroid> the worrying thing to me is that I have recently been thinking that the plan was all along to embrace, extend and ultimately extinguish the original GNU projects and only keep the extended versions without making it too obvious | Mar 25 20:48 |
| Ariadne | perhaps the original GNU projects could be properly maintained | Mar 25 20:48 |
| Ariadne | most GNU projects are piled with cruft dating back to the 80s that has never been removed despite POSIX being mostly sane these days | Mar 25 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla is trying to fork them into Rust now. | Mar 25 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems they really are just an extension of Google that touches the really nasty stuff that Google doesn't even want to be accused of. | Mar 25 20:53 |
| psymin | I thought mozilla was moving away from rust? | Mar 25 20:54 |
| *psydroid thought Mozilla was moving away from this world | Mar 25 20:56 | |
| MinceR | they're still useful to google, microshit and possibly ibm as a proxy | Mar 25 20:56 |
| Ariadne | DaemonFC[m]: sounds like a crossgrade | Mar 25 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | RMS: | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > > =46rom what I have seen, there are 2 types of people in the anti-RMS camp= | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > > : | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > > 1. workers of proprietary software monopolies | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > > 2. people misled by the group (1) | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > I think you're oversimplifying it. | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > That isn't going to help people understand. | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > People do have other sorts of disagreements with me, | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > and some of them are sincere. | Mar 25 20:58 |
| Ariadne | yes | Mar 25 20:58 |
| Ariadne | i do | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 25 20:58 |
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| Ariadne | i have numerous disagreements with RMS, for example killing dotGNU and giving de Icaza the ability to shove Mono everywhere | Mar 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | i have some disagreements with him as well | Mar 25 21:00 |
| MinceR | but none of them are a reason to cancel him, or to cancel the FSF | Mar 25 21:00 |
| schestowitz | this | Mar 25 21:00 |
| *psymin nods. | Mar 25 21:00 | |
| Ariadne | i'm not sure | Mar 25 21:00 |
| Ariadne | there is substantive rot at FSF | Mar 25 21:01 |
| XFaCE | There's a substantive rot all over open source | Mar 25 21:02 |
| Ariadne | yes, there is | Mar 25 21:02 |
| XFaCE | and that rot is being plugged with corporate interest | Mar 25 21:02 |
| XFaCE | and bureaucratic thinking. | Mar 25 21:02 |
| Ariadne | precisely | Mar 25 21:02 |
| Ariadne | i want to see the cathedral shatter | Mar 25 21:03 |
| Ariadne | so we can rework the movement in a more cellular structure | Mar 25 21:03 |
| Ariadne | problem is humans become complacent | Mar 25 21:04 |
| XFaCE | That won't happen until the useful idiots who think they're shattering the cathedral but actually enabling the corporations.... stop doing that. | Mar 25 21:05 |
| Ariadne | nah it happening already | Mar 25 21:05 |
| XFaCE | The proof will be in the pudding. | Mar 25 21:05 |
| psymin | there is rot everywhere, I wish FOSS was immune | Mar 25 21:05 |
| XFaCE | I am very cynical of that "happening" being at all effective | Mar 25 21:06 |
| Ariadne | thing is | Mar 25 21:07 |
| Ariadne | you want to keep the movement going, keep it alive | Mar 25 21:07 |
| Ariadne | you need small groups doing cool shit | Mar 25 21:07 |
| Ariadne | FSF has become the thing it was supposed to disrupt | Mar 25 21:07 |
| Ariadne | free software is about anti-authoritarianism | Mar 25 21:08 |
| XFaCE | FSF has its flaws, but isn't the corporate sellout that virtually every other OSS org is | Mar 25 21:08 |
| XFaCE | with the exception of maybe the OpenBSD Foundation. | Mar 25 21:08 |
| Ariadne | but now FSF is sole authority | Mar 25 21:08 |
| Ariadne | because of GNU | Mar 25 21:08 |
| XFaCE | That is not an ideal state of affairs yes. | Mar 25 21:08 |
| XFaCE | One could conclude that state was intentionally pushed by corporates. | Mar 25 21:09 |
| Ariadne | that state is the result of the Linux boom in the early 2000s | Mar 25 21:09 |
| XFaCE | I would agree it's been a slow burn towards that state since that time | Mar 25 21:10 |
| XFaCE | certainly didn't happen overnight | Mar 25 21:10 |
| Ariadne | vendors were like, oh we'll make GNU this or GNU that and worry about it later | Mar 25 21:10 |
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| Ariadne | and now we have technical debt stacked to the ceiling | Mar 25 21:11 |
| Ariadne | we have social debt because FSF was given way too much power | Mar 25 21:11 |
| Ariadne | and that's what this is really about | Mar 25 21:12 |
| XFaCE | OpenBSD was doing a good job implementing alternatives to the userspace tools | Mar 25 21:12 |
| Ariadne | the people writing the code want the power back | Mar 25 21:12 |
| XFaCE | still is | Mar 25 21:12 |
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| Ariadne | if people were absolutely thrilled about RMS, that letter would not have 2000+ signatures and counting | Mar 25 21:13 |
| psydroid | FSF and GNU were convenient centralised points of attack, so we should plug that hole as Ariadne suggests and never allow it to happen again | Mar 25 21:14 |
| Ariadne | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | Mar 25 21:14 |
| Ariadne | that's the point | Mar 25 21:14 |
| Ariadne | why should ANYONE, *anyone* be able to be a liability to the whole movement | Mar 25 21:14 |
| XFaCE | You mean like Red Hat? | Mar 25 21:14 |
| Ariadne | i mean *anyone* | Mar 25 21:14 |
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| psymin | Individuals are easier to attack and harm than groups. Allinsky stuff | Mar 25 21:15 |
| Ariadne | me, schestowitz, RMS, ESR, red hat, IBM, SUSE, whatever | Mar 25 21:15 |
| Ariadne | psymin: exactly | Mar 25 21:15 |
| schestowitz | hence the importance of responding | Mar 25 21:15 |
| XFaCE | Right, but the point is that going after the FSF won't solve the issue... the corps will just divide and conquer | Mar 25 21:15 |
| *psymin nods. | Mar 25 21:15 | |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: wrong! | Mar 25 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat has just made a statement | Mar 25 21:15 |
| schestowitz | pretending they were paying FSF | Mar 25 21:15 |
| psymin | I'm glad that there is a sense of folks finally standing up and speaking out. | Mar 25 21:15 |
| schestowitz | they've not done that for a long time | Mar 25 21:16 |
| Ariadne | the importance is not in responding, the importance is in building a structure that disaggregates power | Mar 25 21:16 |
| schestowitz | anyway, bbib | Mar 25 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I am catching up with email after 2 days | Mar 25 21:16 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: that's not going to happen | Mar 25 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | most of what I read s good thing | Mar 25 21:16 |
| XFaCE | these petition signers are fine with the corporate status code | Mar 25 21:17 |
| Ariadne | it is going to happen | Mar 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | RMS stays | Mar 25 21:17 |
| XFaCE | *quo | Mar 25 21:17 |
| Ariadne | it has nothing to do with the petition | Mar 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | mostly people who never supported RMS to begin with | Mar 25 21:17 |
| XFaCE | Hope is not a strategy... which seems to be the only thing basing your outlook imo. | Mar 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | or the FSF in general | Mar 25 21:17 |
| Ariadne | as i said earlier, both are performative bullshit, and everyone there is making a calculated political decision | Mar 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Mar 25 21:17 |
| Ariadne | the real points to look at: GNU radio and Sourceware (GCC and glibc) | Mar 25 21:18 |
| Ariadne | both have formed their own collectives | Mar 25 21:18 |
| Ariadne | and once that gets out, it's end game for all of this anyway | Mar 25 21:18 |
| Ariadne | GNU will be reborn as a series of small federated groups | Mar 25 21:19 |
| Ariadne | as it should have been from start | Mar 25 21:19 |
| Ariadne | and when that happens, the media will stop giving a shit about RMS | Mar 25 21:19 |
| Ariadne | and we will ALL be better for it | Mar 25 21:19 |
| XFaCE | Fair enough, but that will require a rethink in funding | Mar 25 21:19 |
| XFaCE | because otherwise small independent groups are going to be drown out by corp agendas | Mar 25 21:20 |
| Ariadne | its not gonna be perfect for a long time | Mar 25 21:20 |
| XFaCE | Those corps aren't going to be broken up and federated | Mar 25 21:20 |
| XFaCE | The problem is the damage in that time | Mar 25 21:20 |
| Ariadne | corporate sponsorship of FOSS is obviously a huge problem | Mar 25 21:20 |
| XFaCE | Remember how long it took to repair the damage of the IE-centric web | Mar 25 21:20 |
| MinceR | we need fully independent IT (including independent hardware manufacturing) and then we can boycott them all | Mar 25 21:20 |
| Ariadne | but FSF ain't solving it | Mar 25 21:20 |
| MinceR | it never was repaired, it's just blink-centric now | Mar 25 21:21 |
| MinceR | with idiot edgesploiter being based on blink | Mar 25 21:21 |
| Ariadne | i mean, yes, RMS is obviously one of the main pioneers of the movement (though wheels were already in motion with BSD by the time GNU was started) | Mar 25 21:22 |
| Ariadne | but if we hero worship RMS we take him as liability. movement cannot be about specific individuals | Mar 25 21:23 |
| Ariadne | must be about code | Mar 25 21:23 |
| XFaCE | I think you confuse respect with hero worship, and standing up to mob tactics with hero worship | Mar 25 21:23 |
| Ariadne | i don't | Mar 25 21:24 |
| Ariadne | it's hero worship | Mar 25 21:24 |
| XFaCE | No, the tactic is wrong | Mar 25 21:24 |
| Ariadne | and that makes you vulnerable to the mob | Mar 25 21:24 |
| XFaCE | No, what makes you vulnerable to the mob is going with the mob, because you compromise your principles for convenience | Mar 25 21:24 |
| Ariadne | it is possible to respect RMS's influence on the movement without putting him in a position of direct power | Mar 25 21:24 |
| XFaCE | The mob adopts surveillance technology, ignores Snowden's warnings | Mar 25 21:25 |
| XFaCE | For example. | Mar 25 21:25 |
| XFaCE | The petition strategy shouldn't be used against anyone, ever. | Mar 25 21:25 |
| *Ariadne shrugs | Mar 25 21:25 | |
| XFaCE | It's a wrong tactic. | Mar 25 21:25 |
| Ariadne | its performative bullshit | Mar 25 21:26 |
| Ariadne | we are wasting time talking about performative bullshit | Mar 25 21:26 |
| XFaCE | Yeah, and we have seen such stuff become effective in ruining lives. | Mar 25 21:26 |
| XFaCE | It's easy to say that when you're not the target. | Mar 25 21:26 |
| XFaCE | When your income isn't threatened. | Mar 25 21:27 |
| psymin | Is there something we can do? Is there a path forward? Can we imagine a future that isn't awful? | Mar 25 21:27 |
| XFaCE | Really... I can't. | Mar 25 21:27 |
| XFaCE | So long as narcissists are effective in manipulating good intentions, things won't improve. | Mar 25 21:27 |
| psymin | Correct. So maybe we can create some type of ecosystem that is cancel-resistant. So income is less threatened. A safety net for the brave. | Mar 25 21:27 |
| Ariadne | i believe i just described such an ecosystem | Mar 25 21:28 |
| XFaCE | Ironically Brave web browser is sorta doing that lol. | Mar 25 21:28 |
| *psymin scrolls up. | Mar 25 21:28 | |
| Ariadne | to build such an ecosystem you have to reject individualism | Mar 25 21:28 |
| Ariadne | then you get collective protection | Mar 25 21:28 |
| psymin | I don't currently believe that. I'm struggling to see how that is the path. | Mar 25 21:29 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: that is ridiculous | Mar 25 21:29 |
| Ariadne | it really isn't | Mar 25 21:29 |
| XFaCE | individualism is what promotes modularity | Mar 25 21:30 |
| Ariadne | i can point to many examples in history | Mar 25 21:30 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: yes, but in a series of cells, you have numerous people willing to take the hit | Mar 25 21:30 |
| XFaCE | I don't see how that's contradictory to individualism and volunteerism | Mar 25 21:30 |
| XFaCE | But I'm not giving up individuality to commit to group identity | Mar 25 21:31 |
| XFaCE | speaking for me personally | Mar 25 21:31 |
| XFaCE | not going to happen | Mar 25 21:31 |
| Ariadne | no, obviously not | Mar 25 21:31 |
| Ariadne | but you would be willing to trade power | Mar 25 21:31 |
| Ariadne | so, what i mean here is that we must reject individualist power structures | Mar 25 21:31 |
| XFaCE | Yeah, what happens when you try to change natural human behaviour... doesn't work out too well | Mar 25 21:32 |
| Ariadne | you asked how we get to something cancel-resistant | Mar 25 21:33 |
| Ariadne | you can't be cancel-resistant by holding all the power | Mar 25 21:33 |
| XFaCE | Right, but your approach will do nothing to confront corporate efforts, whatsoever | Mar 25 21:33 |
| Ariadne | no, it won't | Mar 25 21:33 |
| Ariadne | different societal problems have to be solved at different layers in the stack | Mar 25 21:34 |
| XFaCE | Yes, but there's no reason to "sacrifice individualist power structures" | Mar 25 21:34 |
| Ariadne | sure there is | Mar 25 21:34 |
| Ariadne | mutualism generates healthier community | Mar 25 21:34 |
| XFaCE | Not everything has to be community | Mar 25 21:35 |
| Ariadne | a community that is healthy is a community that is willing to take a bullet for you | Mar 25 21:35 |
| XFaCE | One size doesn't fit all | Mar 25 21:35 |
| Ariadne | anyway, i am happy to patiently play the long game on this | Mar 25 21:35 |
| Ariadne | you all will eventually see i am right :) | Mar 25 21:36 |
| XFaCE | The problem history shows... and these issues extend far beyond software, that the long game usually in massive amounts of unnecessary death | Mar 25 21:36 |
| XFaCE | usually results* | Mar 25 21:36 |
| MinceR | 25 222757 <+psymin> Correct. So maybe we can create some type of ecosystem that is cancel-resistant. So income is less threatened. A safety net for the brave. | Mar 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | anonymous/pseudonymous? | Mar 25 21:37 |
| Ariadne | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | Mar 25 21:37 |
| psymin | I don't understand | Mar 25 21:37 |
| Ariadne | you guys need to read up on how terror cells operate | Mar 25 21:37 |
| psymin | Oh, we can be doxed and still be cancel-resistant | Mar 25 21:37 |
| XFaCE | ... | Mar 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | sounds unlikely | Mar 25 21:38 |
| Ariadne | i mean the smart ones | Mar 25 21:38 |
| psymin | As long as there is a market for what is created, a means to pay for those creations, and the ability to create them | Mar 25 21:38 |
| MinceR | especially if we also do work for a living | Mar 25 21:38 |
| Ariadne | there's a lot of relevant knowledge on these topics | Mar 25 21:38 |
| psymin | Yep. Job creation would have to be part of it. | Mar 25 21:38 |
| MinceR | also, it may be difficult to enforce copyleft if we can't put our real names on copyright notices | Mar 25 21:38 |
| Ariadne | a good case study would be the viet cong | Mar 25 21:38 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: yes, but "leadership" persona does not have to map to a physical person | Mar 25 21:39 |
| psymin | Eventually the banking blockade can be used as the ultimate cancellation. So bypassing that would be useful. | Mar 25 21:39 |
| Ariadne | i believe cryptocurrencies have solved that problem | Mar 25 21:39 |
| Ariadne | VISA can't stop me from sending you bitcoin | Mar 25 21:40 |
| psymin | I agree. They're essential for a cancel-resistant ecosystem. | Mar 25 21:40 |
| Ariadne | ok, so we have cellular organizations with psuedonymous leaders, and the shitcoin of your choice | Mar 25 21:40 |
| Ariadne | you guys are smart, i am sure you can figure out the rest of the puzzle | Mar 25 21:41 |
| Ariadne | some additional relevant reading: the Zapatista movement in Chicas, Mexico | Mar 25 21:41 |
| psymin | heh | Mar 25 21:43 |
| psymin | Mao's Cultural revolution is also relevant reading. Struggle sessions are happening. | Mar 25 21:45 |
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| Ariadne | word up | Mar 25 21:45 |
| Ariadne | you wanna solve corporatism, we gotta have a revolution | Mar 25 21:46 |
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| psymin | I'm not sure that corporatism is the root of the problem, but a tool being leveraged to cause harm. | Mar 25 21:46 |
| MinceR | to me it seems like one form of the problem | Mar 25 21:47 |
| Ariadne | we live in fucked up time | Mar 25 21:48 |
| MinceR | it manifests as states, corporations and churches that attempt to control people and use them as pawns to further their own ends | Mar 25 21:48 |
| Ariadne | all of this outrage culture is a result of that | Mar 25 21:48 |
| psymin | authoritarianism is an issue certainly | Mar 25 21:48 |
| Ariadne | RMS is today's contestant in the thunderdome | Mar 25 21:48 |
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| psymin | yes, the culture is a huge part of the issue | Mar 25 21:48 |
| Ariadne | i still do not think RMS is capable of being an effective leader though :) | Mar 25 21:49 |
| psymin | We see struggle sessions happening daily. We're reluctant, collectively, to speak out against the abuse. | Mar 25 21:49 |
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| MinceR | i don't think we can afford to have leaders | Mar 25 21:49 |
| psymin | Leaderless movements have benefits and drawbacks. | Mar 25 21:50 |
| psymin | Easier to smear, certainly. | Mar 25 21:50 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: precisely | Mar 25 21:50 |
| psymin | For a leaderless movement, we'd need a key ideology, in my opinion. Some method of saying "This is, and this is not, who we are." | Mar 25 21:51 |
| Ariadne | we already have one: software freedom | Mar 25 21:52 |
| psymin | :) | Mar 25 21:52 |
| psymin | a software freedom movement seems like it would benefit from something more than just the four software freedoms | Mar 25 21:52 |
| MinceR | might as well combine hardware into it at this point | Mar 25 21:53 |
| psymin | What would a culture that embodied the ideology of software freedom look like? | Mar 25 21:53 |
| psymin | In my opinion, letting others "merely exist" seems in-line with the four software freedoms. Letting others do what they want. | Mar 25 21:54 |
| liberty_box | https://shop.fsf.org/ - I have just donated...thanking FSF for bringing Stallman back :-) | Mar 25 21:54 |
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| psymin | <3 | Mar 25 21:54 |
| schestowitz | I got mails suggesting others do the same | Mar 25 21:55 |
| psymin | I don't need to like or agree with RMS to support his use of free software. We don't need to like or agree with any of the community members. | Mar 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | we'll win this round | Mar 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | it's about the ideas | Mar 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | not the person | Mar 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | but the attack on the person is on the ideas | Mar 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | not because of things he said or did to women | Mar 25 21:55 |
| psymin | I agree. The attack on the person is an attack on the ideology. | Mar 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | but because of what he says on software | Mar 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> After this whole storm is over, if RMS is OK, we'll be a lot stronger. | Mar 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> RMS and Oliva wrote to me. We'll be fine. Just let the mob get 'bored'... | Mar 25 21:56 |
| psymin | None of us are "without sin". We will all become targets, even if we bow. | Mar 25 21:56 |
| psymin | This type of attack is happening in every area in our society. I'm glad the free software movement is resisting it. | Mar 25 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | yes | Mar 25 22:00 |
| *schestowitz gives voice to inode | Mar 25 22:00 | |
| schestowitz | psymin: I will respond to everytyhing SUnday onwards | Mar 25 22:00 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/634683.jpg | Mar 25 22:00 |
| schestowitz | not now as it would only add fuel for the mob | Mar 25 22:01 |
| inode | hi | Mar 25 22:01 |
| psymin | that makes a lot of sense, thank you | Mar 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | we also have major reports on USPTO this weekend | Mar 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | and other issues | Mar 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | inode: hi | Mar 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | I try not to lose sight | Mar 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <schestowitz> I also cover some patent/EPO scandals, which unlike the RMS fuss is NEWS, not a phony BS from 2 years ago... in an MIT private mailing list. | Mar 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <schestowitz> They also tried to cancel RMS in 2009. One of MANY articles: | Mar 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2009/12/10/proprietary-software-free-arena/ | Mar 25 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | (different channel) | Mar 25 22:02 |
| Ariadne | its largely performative bullshit | Mar 25 22:02 |
| Ariadne | it is a non-story | Mar 25 22:02 |
| Ariadne | RMS will be fine, ego possibly mildly bruised | Mar 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | I want to outline here | Mar 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | 1. we have evidence of USPTO abuse | Mar 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | lots of PDFs send our way | Mar 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | 2. we have a story about employers BANNING employees from expressing support for FSF/RMS | Mar 25 22:03 |
| schestowitz | but not because they hate him/them | Mar 25 22:03 |
| schestowitz | but because the 'cancel mob' scares the businesses | Mar 25 22:03 |
| schestowitz | 3. some EPO scandal | Mar 25 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I will also do some long rebuttals to many blogs and news reports about RMS that continue to spread lies | Mar 25 22:03 |
| schestowitz | like calling him Epstein supporter | Mar 25 22:04 |
| schestowitz | that's Bill Gates, not RMS | Mar 25 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: RMS seems calm | Mar 25 22:04 |
| Ariadne | that's fine | Mar 25 22:04 |
| schestowitz | based on my emails with him | Mar 25 22:04 |
| schestowitz | he improved a lot with temper | Mar 25 22:04 |
| schestowitz | and barely said anything offensive since then | Mar 25 22:05 |
| schestowitz | so it'll be hard to find "new dirt" on him | Mar 25 22:05 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: yeah well, knowing there's a petition with several hundred key people who are unhappy about this | Mar 25 22:05 |
| inode | MinceR 1+ for living in a big-box store, i'd be amazed if anyone could pull that off nowadays | Mar 25 22:05 |
| Ariadne | is still going to bruise ego | Mar 25 22:05 |
| schestowitz | we'll perservere | Mar 25 22:05 |
| schestowitz | you know i support your distro, Ariadne | Mar 25 22:05 |
| schestowitz | and BSD also | Mar 25 22:05 |
| schestowitz | and some UNIXes | Mar 25 22:06 |
| Ariadne | i want to do better than perservere | Mar 25 22:06 |
| schestowitz | some people want blood | Mar 25 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I just want bad software to go away | Mar 25 22:06 |
| schestowitz | things like "clown" and "apps" that track you every 5 secs | Mar 25 22:06 |
| Ariadne | i want to have a reality where RMS works with other leaders to build a resilient FOSS ecosystem | Mar 25 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I still use GNOPME | Mar 25 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I still link to OSI blog posts | Mar 25 22:06 |
| schestowitz | even though OSI is defuncyt | Mar 25 22:06 |
| Ariadne | there are ways forward where RMS can be on FSF board and assuage the concerns of the majority of those signatories | Mar 25 22:07 |
| Ariadne | he knows my email if he needs help figuring it out | Mar 25 22:07 |
| MinceR | OSI is worse than defunct now | Mar 25 22:07 |
| schestowitz | also apropos: | Mar 25 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <schestowitz> > I know you've been busy lately :) but here's an update on voting process at OSI... if you haven't heard. | Mar 25 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <schestowitz> > Re-vote at OSI was a no go today... but received an email about the future plan in an update? Content here: | Mar 25 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <schestowitz> > https://opensource.org/election_update | Mar 25 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <schestowitz> > | Mar 25 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <schestowitz> > if you haven't seen - their plan to restore trust in OSI elections is mentioned. | Mar 25 22:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.org | OSI Election Update: Trust and Transparency in the 2021 Board Election | Open Source Initiative | Mar 25 22:07 | |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <schestowitz> > | Mar 25 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <schestowitz> > Still do not see exact details regarding the vulnerability. | Mar 25 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <schestowitz> > Anyway, memberships will expire and others will join in the meantime - So... who is eligible to vote when a re-vote happens? | Mar 25 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <schestowitz> > | Mar 25 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <schestowitz> > As for the individual memberships - anyone with a lot of allies or dollars could manipulate the vote. | Mar 25 22:07 |
| Ariadne | i am just happy to know that somebody forked GNU make and ripped out all the crap like MS-DOS support | Mar 25 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: he told me people's concerns vary | Mar 25 22:08 |
| schestowitz | and he accepts some have legit issue | Mar 25 22:08 |
| schestowitz | drop him a mail | Mar 25 22:08 |
| Ariadne | he is very extremely aware of my concerns | Mar 25 22:08 |
| schestowitz | maybe you can reach an agreement on something | Mar 25 22:08 |
| Ariadne | unlikely | Mar 25 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: seems so | Mar 25 22:08 |
| schestowitz | that he knows | Mar 25 22:08 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I'm happy to see things moving on | Mar 25 22:09 |
| schestowitz | the same people recycle old gripes | Mar 25 22:09 |
| schestowitz | and red hat pretends that it cared about fsf for the past few years | Mar 25 22:09 |
| schestowitz | it wasn't even a patron for years | Mar 25 22:09 |
| schestowitz | ibm for longer | Mar 25 22:09 |
| schestowitz | I will mention this in the weekend | Mar 25 22:10 |
| schestowitz | they all depend on a lot of gnu stuff | Mar 25 22:10 |
| schestowitz | and if not gnu, gpl | Mar 25 22:10 |
| schestowitz | they cannot make it go away | Mar 25 22:10 |
| schestowitz | google still tries to get rid of gpl | Mar 25 22:10 |
| schestowitz | but android has gpl | Mar 25 22:10 |
| schestowitz | (linux) | Mar 25 22:10 |
| schestowitz | afaik, only dibona signed that letter (from google management) | Mar 25 22:10 |
| MinceR | that's what fuchsia is supposed to fix :> | Mar 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | many of the names there do not shock | Mar 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | mozilla is a google 'proxy' | Mar 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe 90% of their money is google | Mar 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | google can make DEMANDS to them | Mar 25 22:11 |
| MinceR | there are a couple more google people on the list now | Mar 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | "or we won't pay you anymore!" (=bankruptcy) | Mar 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: mjg59 | Mar 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 25 22:12 |
| schestowitz | "I'm not working there anymore!!! They paid me enough!" | Mar 25 22:12 |
| MinceR | he also served microshit | Mar 25 22:12 |
| schestowitz | he probably made in a year what I made in a decade of work | Mar 25 22:12 |
| MinceR | "made"? more like "was given" | Mar 25 22:12 |
| Ariadne | anyway in other news | Mar 25 22:12 |
| MinceR | locking people out of their property is not productive | Mar 25 22:13 |
| Ariadne | alpine is planning to create something to compete with systemd | Mar 25 22:13 |
| MinceR | another kitchensink daemon? | Mar 25 22:13 |
| Ariadne | no | Mar 25 22:13 |
| Ariadne | quite the opposite | Mar 25 22:13 |
| psymin | Which remaining foss orgs are trustworthy? | Mar 25 22:14 |
| MinceR | or another service manager the cancerd proponents will ignore even exists, like everything that isn't sysvinit? | Mar 25 22:14 |
| MinceR | psymin: dyne seems trustworthy | Mar 25 22:14 |
| schestowitz | psymin: foss or freesw? | Mar 25 22:14 |
| schestowitz | if it says "OSS", I already doubt its motivations | Mar 25 22:14 |
| schestowitz | and if it takes GAFAM money, more so | Mar 25 22:15 |
| schestowitz | (I'm looking at you, SFC) | Mar 25 22:15 |
| schestowitz | it's an old modus operandi, create a parallel movement, boost and prop it up, then use it to attack the original | Mar 25 22:15 |
| psymin | I thought foss and free software were the same, apologies. I know oss isn't, hence the need for the f. | Mar 25 22:16 |
| Ariadne | alpine is definitely freesw | Mar 25 22:16 |
| schestowitz | media and "Big Money" promote the parallel one. They did this to crush civil rights movements, created a fake "moderate" one to crush the grassroots | Mar 25 22:16 |
| schestowitz | calling them "extreme" and stuff | Mar 25 22:16 |
| *psymin bookmarks dyne.org | Mar 25 22:16 | |
| schestowitz | which means, "not compromising" | Mar 25 22:16 |
| schestowitz | yes, they're OK, psymin | Mar 25 22:16 |
| schestowitz | psymin: not the same | Mar 25 22:16 |
| schestowitz | I never say Open Source anymore | Mar 25 22:17 |
| Ariadne | anyway, RMS is moving in the right direction with having a staff seat on the board | Mar 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | look no further at what OSI became a year ago | Mar 25 22:17 |
| Ariadne | what i would ultimately like to see is multiple community seats on the FSF board | Mar 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | they made a statement today | Mar 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | about the board | Mar 25 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | KDE asked for clarifications | Mar 25 22:17 |
| psymin | It is frustrating. There are already a number of non-free orgs out there that play these games. I wish those games would be limited to those places. Seems like nowhere is free. | Mar 25 22:17 |
| Ariadne | i would like to see the entire FSF board picked by GNU maintainers | Mar 25 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | the nice thing is about freesw is, | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | unlike a company | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | the software and "assets" pass free | Mar 25 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | they're not physical assets | Mar 25 22:18 |
| Ariadne | if RMS is as popular with his maintainers as he believes, this shouldn't be a problem | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | and licence is not a limiting factor | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | so as long as we have some uncompromised groups, we're OK | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | arch | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | gentoo | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | dyne | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | devuan | Mar 25 22:18 |
| psymin | It often seems that there be freesw code with CC assets | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | we're spread out | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | alpine also | Mar 25 22:18 |
| Ariadne | alpine is freesw but non-GNU | Mar 25 22:19 |
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| psymin | non-gnu free software? | Mar 25 22:19 |
| schestowitz | budybox | Mar 25 22:19 |
| Ariadne | the reason for non-GNU is that a lot of GNU software is not good | Mar 25 22:19 |
| schestowitz | afaik, gpl | Mar 25 22:19 |
| schestowitz | busybox | Mar 25 22:19 |
| Ariadne | i would like to again cite GNU make as an example here | Mar 25 22:19 |
| psymin | busybox is gpl | Mar 25 22:19 |
| Ariadne | it still has 30k lines of code dedicated to MS-DOS and VMS support | Mar 25 22:20 |
| XFaCE | <@schestowitz> gentoo | Mar 25 22:20 |
| psymin | <3 gentoo | Mar 25 22:20 |
| XFaCE | not anymore | Mar 25 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: you might not like Linux either then... | Mar 25 22:20 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i don't | Mar 25 22:20 |
| schestowitz | but it has the best h/w support | Mar 25 22:20 |
| schestowitz | by far | Mar 25 22:20 |
| schestowitz | linux does good work for me when I plug things in and out | Mar 25 22:21 |
| Ariadne | linux is "good for now" | Mar 25 22:21 |
| schestowitz | KDE is good, I also use gnome and xfce4 on other machines... all with linux and gnu | Mar 25 22:21 |
| MinceR | that hardware support is going away | Mar 25 22:21 |
| schestowitz | WIndows is a MESS | Mar 25 22:21 |
| schestowitz | they cannot even update it without breaking it | Mar 25 22:22 |
| schestowitz | it's living on borrowed time | Mar 25 22:22 |
| schestowitz | and old inertia, secret OEM deals | Mar 25 22:22 |
| XFaCE | laid of QA staff | Mar 25 22:22 |
| XFaCE | *off | Mar 25 22:22 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 25 22:22 |
| schestowitz | or left | Mar 25 22:22 |
| schestowitz | and they have too much to maintain | Mar 25 22:22 |
| schestowitz | they cannot even release a new version of Windows anymore | Mar 25 22:22 |
| schestowitz | it became a lousy rolling distro | Mar 25 22:22 |
| schestowitz | that bricks itself with updates you CANNOT block | Mar 25 22:23 |
| Ariadne | its kind of funny | Mar 25 22:23 |
| schestowitz | unless you pull the plug or shut off wifi | Mar 25 22:23 |
| Ariadne | alpine core team was asked about The Letter | Mar 25 22:23 |
| Ariadne | and they declined to endorse it | Mar 25 22:23 |
| schestowitz | no benefit to it | Mar 25 22:23 |
| Ariadne | because it was deemed inappropriate | Mar 25 22:23 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: you think MS will try to turn Windows back into OpenVMS? | Mar 25 22:23 |
| Ariadne | but debian | Mar 25 22:23 |
| Ariadne | is having a GR on it | Mar 25 22:23 |
| schestowitz | removing the whole board is overboard | Mar 25 22:23 |
| schestowitz | zini et al | Mar 25 22:24 |
| schestowitz | few debian devs, %-wise, signed | Mar 25 22:24 |
| psydroid | there is already OpenVMS that has been ported to x86 | Mar 25 22:24 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i would like to see a board of GNU maintainers | Mar 25 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I saw 3-4 blog posts in Planet Debian | Mar 25 22:24 |
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| Ariadne | if RMS said he was going to open the entire board slots up to GNU maintainers and GNU maintainers get to vote on it | Mar 25 22:25 |
| schestowitz | suggest that to him | Mar 25 22:25 |
| schestowitz | rms at gnu | Mar 25 22:25 |
| Ariadne | then i think most would walk away from The Letter | Mar 25 22:26 |
| Ariadne | yes | Mar 25 22:26 |
| Ariadne | i have his email | Mar 25 22:26 |
| schestowitz | it seems like a reasonable idea | Mar 25 22:26 |
| schestowitz | unlike "flush the board!!!" | Mar 25 22:26 |
| XFaCE | <+Ariadne> then i think most would walk away from The Letter | Mar 25 22:26 |
| XFaCE | considering most are seemingly doing it out of peer pressure and mob inertia, that seems generous | Mar 25 22:26 |
| schestowitz | it might even be a good "compromise" to appease some concerns | Mar 25 22:26 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: not that | Mar 25 22:26 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: it will take the air out of the room | Mar 25 22:27 |
| schestowitz | misunderstanding | Mar 25 22:27 |
| Ariadne | for sure | Mar 25 22:27 |
| XFaCE | esp. as many of the prominent actors are not good faith | Mar 25 22:27 |
| schestowitz | like drupal founder | Mar 25 22:27 |
| schestowitz | they believe false media reports | Mar 25 22:27 |
| schestowitz | that describe RMS has some sort of Epstein #2 | Mar 25 22:27 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i also think all FSF staff and management, should be released from their NDAs | Mar 25 22:27 |
| schestowitz | they want to carry on with their job | Mar 25 22:27 |
| schestowitz | in a few days they can | Mar 25 22:27 |
| schestowitz | if only people calmed the F* down | Mar 25 22:28 |
| Ariadne | so basically 3 things need to happen | Mar 25 22:28 |
| MinceR | SJWs don't calm down | Mar 25 22:28 |
| Ariadne | and the thing will go away | Mar 25 22:28 |
| MinceR | stirring up shit is what they live for | Mar 25 22:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: then they would get bored | Mar 25 22:28 |
| psymin | true | Mar 25 22:28 |
| schestowitz | what else would they do, CODE?!? | Mar 25 22:28 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 25 22:28 |
| schestowitz | write articles? | Mar 25 22:28 |
| MinceR | you mean, fix typos in comments? | Mar 25 22:28 |
| schestowitz | report on corporate corruption? | Mar 25 22:28 |
| schestowitz | no, let's bully "old man" | Mar 25 22:29 |
| schestowitz | RMS | Mar 25 22:29 |
| Ariadne | - FSF board needs to be reconfigured to reflect GNU maintainers | Mar 25 22:29 |
| Ariadne | - the NDAs have to go | Mar 25 22:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: typos like "sanity check" | Mar 25 22:29 |
| psymin | Have many gnu maintainers adopted the ideology that demonizes folks? I worry. | Mar 25 22:30 |
| Ariadne | - there should be radical transparency: every aspect of the FSF should be open for public inspection | Mar 25 22:30 |
| schestowitz | that's ableism apparently | Mar 25 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I oppose NDAs in general | Mar 25 22:30 |
| Ariadne | well | Mar 25 22:30 |
| psymin | I like that idea, but fear it would be exploited by the same folks causing trouble today. | Mar 25 22:30 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 25 22:30 |
| Ariadne | FSF makes the staff sign NDAs | Mar 25 22:30 |
| Ariadne | which is actually biting them in the ass | Mar 25 22:30 |
| Ariadne | right now :) | Mar 25 22:30 |
| psymin | What do you suspect could be disclosed that would help them? | Mar 25 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I oppose NDAs | Mar 25 22:31 |
| schestowitz | in all contexts | Mar 25 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I think there might be grounds for conflict with 1st AM. | Mar 25 22:31 |
| Ariadne | some incidents cited by some people backing the letter could be disproven with staff accounts (and i know that for a fact) | Mar 25 22:31 |
| psymin | that makes sense | Mar 25 22:32 |
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| Ariadne | unfortunately, there is an NDA :) | Mar 25 22:32 |
| schestowitz | people can keep secret based on courtesy and common sense | Mar 25 22:32 |
| Ariadne | and Eben Moglen is a very litigious man | Mar 25 22:32 |
| Ariadne | now, if the NDAs go, there will be some bad stuff about RMS too | Mar 25 22:32 |
| Ariadne | but there will be good as well | Mar 25 22:33 |
| psymin | I actually haven't been following the smear narrative much, just the 2018 incident. | Mar 25 22:33 |
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| Ariadne | i think the movement in general needs radical reorganization though | Mar 25 22:34 |
| Ariadne | it should not really matter that RMS is on the board of something | Mar 25 22:34 |
| Ariadne | a healthy movement would be able to move past such differences | Mar 25 22:34 |
| psymin | I agree that it shouldn't matter. What does matter, in my opinion, is having an org that doesn't care what the outside world thinks of their board members. | Mar 25 22:34 |
| MinceR | the movement needs to stop caring about organizations (foundations, etc.) in this way | Mar 25 22:35 |
| Ariadne | precisely | Mar 25 22:35 |
| Ariadne | the only reason anyone is fighting over this | Mar 25 22:35 |
| Ariadne | is because the FSF | Mar 25 22:35 |
| Ariadne | holds authoritative control over a shitload of IP | Mar 25 22:35 |
| Ariadne | if the FSF did not | Mar 25 22:36 |
| schestowitz | IP? | Mar 25 22:36 |
| Ariadne | nobody would care | Mar 25 22:36 |
| schestowitz | how many addresses do they have? | Mar 25 22:36 |
| schestowitz | PING fsf.org(www.fsf.org (2001:470:142:4::a)) 56 data bytes | Mar 25 22:36 |
| Ariadne | well i think they have a /24, but i meant the other kind of IP :) | Mar 25 22:36 |
| psymin | which intellectual property does the FSF have control over? | Mar 25 22:36 |
| schestowitz | copyrights | Mar 25 22:36 |
| Ariadne | psymin: everything in the GNU project | Mar 25 22:36 |
| *psymin thinks. | Mar 25 22:36 | |
| schestowitz | trademark maybe | Mar 25 22:36 |
| schestowitz | that's it | Mar 25 22:36 |
| schestowitz | no patents | Mar 25 22:37 |
| psymin | I like the way Linus handled that :) | Mar 25 22:37 |
| Ariadne | in order to contribute to the GNU project, you must file a copyright assignment contract with the FSF | Mar 25 22:37 |
| psymin | that is a double edged sword | Mar 25 22:37 |
| Ariadne | yes | Mar 25 22:37 |
| schestowitz | without that, it can become an issuie | Mar 25 22:37 |
| MinceR | they have copyright assignments and there's a lot of stuff licensed under GPL # "or newer" or something like that | Mar 25 22:37 |
| schestowitz | what's that javascript bit that broke everything because a developer took away his/her code? | Mar 25 22:37 |
| psymin | it is what allows Oracle to buy up projects | Mar 25 22:37 |
| schestowitz | it was about 3 years ago | Mar 25 22:37 |
| MinceR | leftpad | Mar 25 22:37 |
| psymin | some npm thing | Mar 25 22:37 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 25 22:38 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Mar 25 22:38 |
| Ariadne | because of the centralization | Mar 25 22:38 |
| schestowitz | linux and canonical do the same | Mar 25 22:38 |
| Ariadne | it is a valuable target | Mar 25 22:38 |
| schestowitz | for code bits | Mar 25 22:38 |
| schestowitz | core | Mar 25 22:38 |
| schestowitz | CLA has problems in other contextx | Mar 25 22:38 |
| Ariadne | if FSF were just a fundraising org | Mar 25 22:38 |
| schestowitz | like FOR-PROFIT companies | Mar 25 22:38 |
| schestowitz | like Canonical | Mar 25 22:38 |
| schestowitz | FSF isn't a company you can buy | Mar 25 22:39 |
| Ariadne | nobody would care | Mar 25 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Oracle won't buy your copyrighted code | Mar 25 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I've just paid FSF | Mar 25 22:39 |
| Ariadne | it's the power RMS holds as executive director over that cache of copyright assignments | Mar 25 22:39 |
| MinceR | 25 233902 <@schestowitz> FSF isn't a company you can buy | Mar 25 22:39 |
| MinceR | its members can be corrupted, though | Mar 25 22:39 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 25 22:39 |
| schestowitz | but it's a known issue | Mar 25 22:39 |
| schestowitz | also "patrons" | Mar 25 22:39 |
| schestowitz | sponsors | Mar 25 22:39 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: which is why i think the board should be people who have skin in the game | Mar 25 22:40 |
| psymin | I worry that some folks with "skin in the game" are already corrupted. | Mar 25 22:40 |
| schestowitz | RMS explained on Sunday that we cannot cope with ethical [sic] licences as it would cause chaos | Mar 25 22:40 |
| schestowitz | like a distro you can use only is x, y, z | Mar 25 22:40 |
| MinceR | what psymin said | Mar 25 22:40 |
| schestowitz | or distro where some applications you are allowed to use, some you cannot | Mar 25 22:40 |
| Ariadne | at the same time it is not nice that alpine runs on northrup grumman drones and cruise missiles | Mar 25 22:41 |
| Ariadne | i mean, bluntly, i am not going to be celebrating the fact that my code is being actively used to murder people | Mar 25 22:42 |
| MinceR | i wish i had armed drones and cruise missiles to run alpine on | Mar 25 22:42 |
| schestowitz | lol | Mar 25 22:43 |
| *schestowitz checks the back yard | Mar 25 22:44 | |
| psymin | Meh. I see the ethics as a non-issue. | Mar 25 22:44 |
| Ariadne | i also think the FSF could take some substantive actions on that topic to counter the ethical source crowd | Mar 25 22:44 |
| XFaCE | <+Ariadne> at the same time it is not nice that alpine runs on northrup grumman drones and cruise missiles | Mar 25 22:44 |
| psymin | We need to let anyone use the software for any purpose. Anyone. Any purpose. | Mar 25 22:44 |
| MinceR | what, sacrifice a freedom or two? | Mar 25 22:44 |
| schestowitz | USA: you can buy assault rifle, not surprise kinder chocolate eggs | Mar 25 22:44 |
| XFaCE | As if an ethical source license will stop the military industrial complex | Mar 25 22:44 |
| MinceR | legislating ethics failed once already, let's try again inside a copyright license | Mar 25 22:44 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: it won't | Mar 25 22:44 |
| XFaCE | who enforces copyright again? | Mar 25 22:44 |
| MinceR | the state | Mar 25 22:44 |
| schestowitz | if it cares | Mar 25 22:45 |
| psymin | Ethical source should be a separate org, with separate activists, and separate ideology. | Mar 25 22:45 |
| Ariadne | but for example, the FSF can do activism against this kind of usage | Mar 25 22:45 |
| schestowitz | like City of London Police | Mar 25 22:45 |
| MinceR | 25 234431 <@schestowitz> USA: you can buy assault rifle, not surprise kinder chocolate eggs | Mar 25 22:45 |
| schestowitz | they won't care if you're not Big Business | Mar 25 22:45 |
| MinceR | afaik you can't buy assault rifles | Mar 25 22:45 |
| Ariadne | we can shame those organizations for using our code in this way | Mar 25 22:45 |
| psymin | Ariadne, absolutely not. I'm against that. | Mar 25 22:45 |
| MinceR | assault rifles are selective fire, i.e. they can fire full auto | Mar 25 22:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: there are more restrictions now | Mar 25 22:45 |
| MinceR | and they don't allow the sales of those, sadly | Mar 25 22:45 |
| psymin | I'm okay with you having that opinion though. | Mar 25 22:45 |
| XFaCE | oh yes, because the likes of NSA et al are really driven by shame | Mar 25 22:45 |
| psymin | But free software must remain free. Public shaming and struggle sessions are not the right path. | Mar 25 22:45 |
| MinceR | of course politicians have said tons of bullshit about "assault weapons" that confuse the issue | Mar 25 22:45 |
| schestowitz | sexual assault rifles | Mar 25 22:46 |
| XFaCE | <+Ariadne> we can shame those organizations for using our code in this way | Mar 25 22:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 25 22:46 |
| Ariadne | psymin: well, when the kid gets blown up by the cruise missile, did he benefit from northrup grumman's software freedom? | Mar 25 22:46 |
| psymin | :D | Mar 25 22:46 |
| XFaCE | shame implies empathy | Mar 25 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | that's what she called his thing | Mar 25 22:46 |
| XFaCE | you cannot shame psychopathic organizations | Mar 25 22:46 |
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| MinceR | when the kid's life is saved by blowing up his assailants by the cruise missile, did he benefit from software freedom? | Mar 25 22:47 |
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| psymin | Ariadne, I don't really engage on this type of subjective moral game. | Mar 25 22:47 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: only if the source code is delivered at the same time as the explosion | Mar 25 22:47 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 25 22:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that relates to the fake ethics debate | Mar 25 22:47 |
| psymin | Once we let subjectivity in the door, much worse will follow. | Mar 25 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | like companies that bomb | Mar 25 22:47 |
| schestowitz | but demand manners from staff | Mar 25 22:47 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: RMS' poltical feed is filled with awareness of MIC issues | Mar 25 22:47 |
| psymin | companies that bomb should use foss | Mar 25 22:47 |
| psymin | sorry, freesw | Mar 25 22:47 |
| psymin | I'm still going to use the term foss if that is okay | Mar 25 22:47 |
| schestowitz | or hire women to bomb... like the victims care if a woman fires the missile or dropped the bomb | Mar 25 22:47 |
| psymin | ^ | Mar 25 22:48 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: yes, but i would like to see FSF say even the most marginal thing like "this isn't what we had in mind" | Mar 25 22:48 |
| psymin | I don't think it is the FSF's place to do that. | Mar 25 22:48 |
| XFaCE | It's the ACLU's place | Mar 25 22:48 |
| schestowitz | techrights covered this a lot when drones were all over the news | Mar 25 22:48 |
| schestowitz | circa 2013 | Mar 25 22:48 |
| XFaCE | or whatever | Mar 25 22:48 |
| psymin | I'd like to see the concept of free software embodied in our culture. | Mar 25 22:48 |
| schestowitz | ethics of freesw in war | Mar 25 22:48 |
| MinceR | doesn't seem to be a software freedom issue to me | Mar 25 22:48 |
| XFaCE | exactly, it isn't | Mar 25 22:49 |
| *psymin nods. | Mar 25 22:49 | |
| Ariadne | MinceR: well in order to make use of software freedom you have to still be alive | Mar 25 22:49 |
| schestowitz | it was about people trying to prevent use of freesw to kill | Mar 25 22:49 |
| XFaCE | and how ethical software licenses at present are being used is just another censorship tactic among regular people | Mar 25 22:49 |
| psymin | that prevention is mutually exclusive with freesw | Mar 25 22:49 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: it doesn't make a difference, you could be killed by a weapon that includes no software at all | Mar 25 22:49 |
| psymin | activism in that direction is activism away from freesw | Mar 25 22:49 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 25 22:49 |
| schestowitz | it's a straw man | Mar 25 22:49 |
| MinceR | s/by/with/ | Mar 25 22:50 |
| XFaCE | Hammers making weapons, hammer manufacturers must speak up | Mar 25 22:50 |
| Ariadne | by the way dyne agrees with me on that | Mar 25 22:50 |
| XFaCE | that's silly | Mar 25 22:50 |
| schestowitz | to paint freesw as inherently unethicl | Mar 25 22:50 |
| MinceR | no need to blame objects :> | Mar 25 22:50 |
| psymin | How is boming children any better or worse with non-free software? | Mar 25 22:50 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: consensus fallacy | Mar 25 22:50 |
| psymin | it is a non-issue | Mar 25 22:50 |
| schestowitz | wall street runs on gnu/linux | Mar 25 22:50 |
| schestowitz | used to be unix/sun | Mar 25 22:50 |
| Ariadne | then again dyne.org also used to have people smoking weed on their website | Mar 25 22:50 |
| psymin | that is great! | Mar 25 22:50 |
| Ariadne | :) | Mar 25 22:50 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i hate to break it to ya but | Mar 25 22:51 |
| MinceR | is smoking weed also unethical? :> | Mar 25 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: nobody harmed | Mar 25 22:51 |
| Ariadne | wallstreet runs on kubernetes | Mar 25 22:51 |
| Ariadne | so it's my world now | Mar 25 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I never touched the thing, but I think it's even less harmful than alcohol | Mar 25 22:51 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: it seems unix philopshy applies | Mar 25 22:51 |
| MinceR | oppressive governments also run on some free software | Mar 25 22:51 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: smoking weed is fantastic | Mar 25 22:51 |
| XFaCE | do one thing and do it well | Mar 25 22:51 |
| Ariadne | i got it | Mar 25 22:51 |
| XFaCE | having multiple focuses dilutes the intention | Mar 25 22:51 |
| MinceR | can we stop them by changing licensing terms? unlikely. | Mar 25 22:51 |
| Ariadne | anyway i think it is interesting discussion | Mar 25 22:52 |
| psymin | Yep, someone else can make an org dedicated to publicly shaming people. I won't be a part of that org. | Mar 25 22:52 |
| XFaCE | <@MinceR> can we stop them by changing licensing terms? unlikely. | Mar 25 22:52 |
| MinceR | hell, what secret services do tends to be hidden from the state's own justice and law enforcement systems, even | Mar 25 22:52 |
| Ariadne | i do agree that ultimately you cannot solve it and have a freesw solution | Mar 25 22:52 |
| XFaCE | rarely has a legislative solution solve a societal issue | Mar 25 22:52 |
| XFaCE | *solved | Mar 25 22:52 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Mar 25 22:52 |
| MinceR | psymin: shaming people from doing thing A and also for not doing it and also for doing its opposite! | Mar 25 22:53 |
| XFaCE | Esepcially when the bad actors in this case will bend the law when it suits them | Mar 25 22:53 |
| MinceR | s/from/for/ | Mar 25 22:53 |
| Ariadne | i think RMS recognizing the value of GNU maintainers and letting them make up the board would solve a lot of this | Mar 25 22:54 |
| Ariadne | it is the GNU maintainers that give the FSF strategic value | Mar 25 22:54 |
| Ariadne | they should be at the forefront of running the organization | Mar 25 22:54 |
| Ariadne | it is definitely the Right Thing | Mar 25 22:54 |
| psymin | How about another org for those maintainers? | Mar 25 22:55 |
| Ariadne | because that doesn't lead to equity | Mar 25 22:55 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: the point is the petition will do absolutely nothing for those individuals, and it isn't those individuals pushing the tactic at hand. | Mar 25 22:55 |
| psymin | I'm opposed to equity. | Mar 25 22:55 |
| psymin | Equality, however, I support. | Mar 25 22:55 |
| XFaCE | The "GNU Maintainers" aren't Molly Le Blanc | Mar 25 22:56 |
| Ariadne | psymin: you do not think the workers should run the board where they work? | Mar 25 22:56 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: molly de blanc actually was a GNU maintainer | Mar 25 22:56 |
| XFaCE | She isn't now | Mar 25 22:56 |
| XFaCE | so moot point | Mar 25 22:56 |
| psymin | For gnu stuff, I'll have to think on it. I worry that gnu maintainers have become corrupted. | Mar 25 22:56 |
| XFaCE | And her actions make it clear that your proposal has nothing to do with her intentions | Mar 25 22:57 |
| Ariadne | if GNU maintainers are corrupted, then GNU is corrupted and should be rightly discarded | Mar 25 22:57 |
| *schestowitz gives voice to swaggboi | Mar 25 22:57 | |
| XFaCE | Right, and in the here and now, corporate actors fill the void | Mar 25 22:57 |
| *schestowitz gives voice to whytek | Mar 25 22:57 | |
| XFaCE | nothing of value is gained | Mar 25 22:57 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: i have bad news, they are already there | Mar 25 22:57 |
| schestowitz | this is what it's all aboutn | Mar 25 22:57 |
| schestowitz | the way I see it, but worse: | Mar 25 22:58 |
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| Ariadne | 90% of GNU is bankrolled by red hat and suse | Mar 25 22:58 |
| schestowitz | they set an example to scare corporate critics | Mar 25 22:58 |
| Ariadne | now IBM and soon to be IBM | Mar 25 22:58 |
| psymin | how many of the signers of the anti-rms letter are gnu maintainers? | Mar 25 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: citation needed | Mar 25 22:58 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: GCC is bankrolled by red hat | Mar 25 22:58 |
| schestowitz | I know about GCC | Mar 25 22:58 |
| schestowitz | and SUSE's role also | Mar 25 22:58 |
| schestowitz | I can see it | Mar 25 22:58 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: glibc is bankrolled by red hat | Mar 25 22:58 |
| schestowitz | but GCC is not all of GNU | Mar 25 22:58 |
| Ariadne | the citation is in the git logs | Mar 25 22:59 |
| Ariadne | the shit in GNU | Mar 25 22:59 |
| schestowitz | GNU has many hundreds of projects | Mar 25 22:59 |
| psymin | I say we should install a true believer at the helm, and potentially work towards "equity" afterwards. Potentially not though. | Mar 25 22:59 |
| Ariadne | that actually matters | Mar 25 22:59 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: yes, and like less than 50 of them actually matter | Mar 25 22:59 |
| schestowitz | ok, | Mar 25 22:59 |
| XFaCE | <+Ariadne> psymin: you do not think the workers should run the board where they work? | Mar 25 22:59 |
| schestowitz | so you redefine the metrics | Mar 25 22:59 |
| MinceR | if the moles leave in protest, that is fine too | Mar 25 22:59 |
| XFaCE | As a rule? absolutely not | Mar 25 22:59 |
| schestowitz | brb hungry.. | Mar 25 22:59 |
| MinceR | if that kills the FSF, so be it | Mar 25 22:59 |
| psymin | Yep, better to let a good idea die, than for it to become a bad idea. | Mar 25 23:00 |
| XFaCE | Indeed, but let's not pretend this petition is going to lead to some massive positive development | Mar 25 23:00 |
| psymin | Free software will persist. It might not be in the form of the FSF, and that is okay. | Mar 25 23:00 |
| psymin | Well, the petition outed supporters and opponents alike. | Mar 25 23:00 |
| psymin | We're all on lists now. | Mar 25 23:00 |
| Ariadne | the petition did not out anyone | Mar 25 23:00 |
| Ariadne | you are assuming anti-RMS = anti-freesw | Mar 25 23:01 |
| Ariadne | there are plenty of reasons to be anti-RMS and still pro-freesw | Mar 25 23:01 |
| MinceR | i think it has already led to some positive development | Mar 25 23:01 |
| XFaCE | no, it showed a lot of people who will participate in mob tactics | Mar 25 23:01 |
| MinceR | a lot of the corporate trolls have exposed themselves | Mar 25 23:01 |
| Ariadne | basically that | Mar 25 23:01 |
| psymin | XFaCE, it did | Mar 25 23:01 |
| XFaCE | you keep trying to goosestep around the tactic | Mar 25 23:01 |
| MinceR | along with some useful idiots, i guess | Mar 25 23:01 |
| XFaCE | you keep making a no bad tactics argument | Mar 25 23:01 |
| psymin | I signed the rms support letter, which I guess means I engage in mob tactics. | Mar 25 23:01 |
| XFaCE | I'm sorry, this tactic sucks, it historically sucks, it will always suck | Mar 25 23:01 |
| psymin | IMO, it says I'm no longer afraid to stand up and finally say, "Enough is enough." | Mar 25 23:02 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Mar 25 23:02 |
| Ariadne | there are plenty of reasons to be anti-RMS and still pro-freesw | Mar 25 23:02 |
| MinceR | i would sign the support letter, but it's on shithub | Mar 25 23:02 |
| XFaCE | psymin: I wouldn't put that letter in the category of mob tactics, esp. as its existence is contigent on the first one existing in the first place | Mar 25 23:03 |
| MinceR | incredibly stupid place for it | Mar 25 23:03 |
| psymin | MinceR, I agree it is unfortunate | Mar 25 23:03 |
| XFaCE | <+Ariadne> there are plenty of reasons to be anti-RMS and still pro-freesw | Mar 25 23:03 |
| psymin | There is one not on github | Mar 25 23:03 |
| XFaCE | And you still sidestep the issue of the tactic being a bad one | Mar 25 23:03 |
| XFaCE | If you support this kind of tactic, then yes, we'll be at a unreconciliable stand still | Mar 25 23:03 |
| psymin | There are plenty of reasons to be pro-freesw and not engage in anti-RMS mob tactics | Mar 25 23:03 |
| Ariadne | you are sidestepping the point i am making | Mar 25 23:03 |
| XFaCE | and I think you'd would think different if the tactic was turned towards you | Mar 25 23:03 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: no, i would think about why there are 2000+ people who have a beef with me | Mar 25 23:04 |
| psymin | I agree that I'm likely sidestepping your point. I'm open to addressing it head on, but that likely would cause conflict. | Mar 25 23:04 |
| *psydroid would like to see the moles organise themselves in a corporate troll foundation based somewhere near the north pole | Mar 25 23:04 | |
| Ariadne | psymin: there are plenty of ways to be anti-RMS and not engage in "mob tactics" | Mar 25 23:05 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: I don't that's the case but by all means play sitting quarterback | Mar 25 23:05 |
| XFaCE | yes there is | Mar 25 23:05 |
| XFaCE | they chose mob tactics | Mar 25 23:05 |
| XFaCE | it's a matter of principle | Mar 25 23:05 |
| XFaCE | if the mob tactics are supported, they will continue to be used until opposed | Mar 25 23:05 |
| Ariadne | good for them | Mar 25 23:05 |
| schestowitz | i want to interface to make one point | Mar 25 23:06 |
| XFaCE | go ahead | Mar 25 23:06 |
| schestowitz | pro-RMS petition is NOT a mob | Mar 25 23:06 |
| schestowitz | it's a reaction to one | Mar 25 23:06 |
| XFaCE | ^ | Mar 25 23:06 |
| Ariadne | agree | Mar 25 23:06 |
| psymin | I agree | Mar 25 23:06 |
| schestowitz | see the demand in the pro-RMS | Mar 25 23:06 |
| schestowitz | no mob | Mar 25 23:06 |
| Ariadne | the pro-RMS petition is basically "we like RMS" | Mar 25 23:06 |
| XFaCE | Yes, and that is a compromised position, as it means they too will be targeted by the actual mob | Mar 25 23:06 |
| schestowitz | the anti-RMS is not anti-RMS | Mar 25 23:07 |
| XFaCE | so like roy says, not the same | Mar 25 23:07 |
| schestowitz | it's a blackmail letter | Mar 25 23:07 |
| schestowitz | to ALL the FSF | Mar 25 23:07 |
| Ariadne | also agree | Mar 25 23:07 |
| schestowitz | calling for collective punishment | Mar 25 23:07 |
| psymin | yes. | Mar 25 23:07 |
| Ariadne | wich is why i am considering pulling my support | Mar 25 23:07 |
| XFaCE | yes | Mar 25 23:07 |
| schestowitz | some signed it despite not agreeing with that part | Mar 25 23:07 |
| psymin | This is a specific tactic that is being used everywhere in our society. | Mar 25 23:07 |
| XFaCE | You shouldn't have to consider | Mar 25 23:07 |
| schestowitz | it's like doxing | Mar 25 23:07 |
| XFaCE | is it right, or is it wrong? | Mar 25 23:07 |
| Ariadne | because i signed it not agreeing with that part | Mar 25 23:07 |
| schestowitz | "Dead chris, fire roy OR ELSE!!" | Mar 25 23:07 |
| schestowitz | *dear | Mar 25 23:07 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: that's like supporting a war because of one very specific target | Mar 25 23:08 |
| Ariadne | i should also note that the wording of the letter is why alpine core team declined to ratify it when the mob came and asked | Mar 25 23:08 |
| XFaCE | Good for them | Mar 25 23:08 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: correct, which is why i am considering pulling my support | Mar 25 23:08 |
| XFaCE | doesn't account for your initial principles | Mar 25 23:08 |
| schestowitz | [23:07] <schestowitz> "Dear chris, fire roy OR ELSE!!" < based on a true story | Mar 25 23:08 |
| XFaCE | So the alpine team needed to remind you that blackmailing witchhunt mobs are wrong? | Mar 25 23:08 |
| schestowitz | the name chris is fictional | Mar 25 23:09 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: i do not agree with your characterization | Mar 25 23:09 |
| schestowitz | by extension they also say "FIRE RIANNE" | Mar 25 23:09 |
| psymin | I oppose struggle sessions. I oppose this cultural revolution. I support individual liberty and classical liberalism. | Mar 25 23:09 |
| XFaCE | It's basedon your actions | Mar 25 23:09 |
| schestowitz | we work for the same company | Mar 25 23:09 |
| XFaCE | From a brief reading of the letter it was clear what it was | Mar 25 23:09 |
| psymin | Free software is the closest we can get to the ideology I hold. | Mar 25 23:09 |
| psymin | Free software isn't a zero sum game. Dogpiling mobs to cancel people is. | Mar 25 23:10 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment | Mar 25 23:10 |
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| psymin | free software is an omni-win, anti-rivalrous system, or can be, should be | Mar 25 23:10 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: it is good that you are at *least* reconsidering your position, but it is troubling you overlooked this fact in the first place | Mar 25 23:10 |
| psymin | no need to shame someone for becoming a better person | Mar 25 23:10 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: i did not overlook anything | Mar 25 23:10 |
| psymin | forgiveness is something we need more of | Mar 25 23:10 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: obviously you did if you are reconsidering | Mar 25 23:11 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: no, but i am willing to change my mind | Mar 25 23:11 |
| XFaCE | reconsidering implies an initial detail was overlooked or missed | Mar 25 23:11 |
| schestowitz | " Nazi troops killed 434 men in three villages near Kragujevac on October 19, 1941 as punishment for previous actions of the Serbian resistance movement." | Mar 25 23:11 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment#World_War_II | Mar 25 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Collective punishment - Wikipedia | Mar 25 23:11 | |
| XFaCE | yes, and you are changing your mind based on overlooking something | Mar 25 23:11 |
| psymin | or it implies new evidence has come to light | Mar 25 23:11 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath might know | Mar 25 23:11 |
| XFaCE | Same difference | Mar 25 23:11 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: the initial decision was one of passion | Mar 25 23:12 |
| schestowitz | it's not fair to threaten that lady who joined FSF board | Mar 25 23:12 |
| psymin | We're moving towards a totalitarian culture, where dissent is not allowed. | Mar 25 23:12 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: yes, and as we discussed in DMs your reactions based on that may be a source of weakness | Mar 25 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | doing some music software, now threatened with banishment a year later | Mar 25 23:12 |
| XFaCE | I would advise you try to consider that in the future | Mar 25 23:12 |
| Ariadne | i suspect many other signatories also made their decisions out of passion | Mar 25 23:12 |
| schestowitz | but the letter is an attack on her, too | Mar 25 23:12 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: unfortunately i have a big heart | Mar 25 23:12 |
| psymin | schestowitz, I'm unaware. Is there a way we can help support these victims? | Mar 25 23:12 |
| MinceR | medical condition? :> | Mar 25 23:13 |
| psymin | :D | Mar 25 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Karen Salndler | Mar 25 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Sandler | Mar 25 23:13 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: well i have fibromyalgia, but in this case i meant that i see the world in a very empathetic way | Mar 25 23:13 |
| MinceR | ah. | Mar 25 23:13 |
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| XFaCE | Ariadne: so do I. | Mar 25 23:14 |
| psymin | I have empathy for the out group, the targets of mob outrage. | Mar 25 23:14 |
| psymin | The people swept under the rug, who are treated as less than human. | Mar 25 23:14 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: it's just a value self-consistency and personal ethics more | Mar 25 23:14 |
| XFaCE | *I | Mar 25 23:14 |
| Ariadne | psymin: i would have empathy for RMS except that RMS personally undermined several years of my work | Mar 25 23:14 |
| psymin | Personally? Which work? | Mar 25 23:14 |
| Ariadne | dotGNU | Mar 25 23:15 |
| Ariadne | you know how schestowitz complains a lot about Mono? Mono wouldn't have been a thing if he left dotGNU alone | Mar 25 23:15 |
| Ariadne | instead he put some webshit idiot in charge | Mar 25 23:15 |
| Ariadne | who retasked the entire team to work on phpGroupWare | Mar 25 23:15 |
| schestowitz | mono had other issues | Mar 25 23:15 |
| Ariadne | i wish i were kidding | Mar 25 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I wrote many articles explaining the differences | Mar 25 23:15 |
| schestowitz | some people went further and try to compare mono to samba | Mar 25 23:16 |
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| psymin | :( | Mar 25 23:16 |
| Ariadne | dotGNU was supposed to be samba | Mar 25 23:16 |
| schestowitz | samba is OK | Mar 25 23:16 |
| Ariadne | i mean, it's all a moot point now | Mar 25 23:16 |
| schestowitz | it deals with a real scenario that needs tackling and the protocol originally came from IBM | Mar 25 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hijacked and twisted it | Mar 25 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Sun sued | Mar 25 23:17 |
| XFaCE | dotGNU is like ooxml in hindsight | Mar 25 23:17 |
| Ariadne | we have "won" on .NET anyway | Mar 25 23:17 |
| Ariadne | .NET is now free software | Mar 25 23:17 |
| MinceR | all of it? | Mar 25 23:17 |
| schestowitz | but barely used | Mar 25 23:17 |
| Ariadne | not copyleft, but free software in the same way BSD is | Mar 25 23:17 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: yes | Mar 25 23:17 |
| schestowitz | the goal was to get gnu/linux devs to build with .NET | Mar 25 23:17 |
| schestowitz | that never happened | Mar 25 23:17 |
| MinceR | with a patent license? | Mar 25 23:17 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: yes | Mar 25 23:17 |
| MinceR | interesting | Mar 25 23:18 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: which is sad | Mar 25 23:18 |
| schestowitz | gnu/linux now has lots of robust software | Mar 25 23:18 |
| psymin | rms underminded dotGNU by putting a php coder at the helm? | Mar 25 23:18 |
| schestowitz | but the issues changed | Mar 25 23:18 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: because if dotGNU had just been allowed to be a thing | Mar 25 23:18 |
| schestowitz | like, chromium isn't freedokm | Mar 25 23:18 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: we would not have Rust | Mar 25 23:18 |
| schestowitz | so we need to adapt | Mar 25 23:18 |
| psymin | I'm not sure we need rust :D | Mar 25 23:18 |
| schestowitz | RMS spoke this past weekend a lot about android and chromeos | Mar 25 23:18 |
| Ariadne | psymin: memory safety is a desirable thing | Mar 25 23:19 |
| psymin | true | Mar 25 23:19 |
| schestowitz | and also tons of horrible JS inside the Web browsers, even in sites that don't need anything but plain html | Mar 25 23:19 |
| schestowitz | chromeos is growing FAST | Mar 25 23:19 |
| schestowitz | reportedly faster than MacOS | Mar 25 23:19 |
| Ariadne | psymin: and yes, when dotGNU started making progress on PNET, RMS sabotaged us by putting a php dev in charge who talked about web services and xmlrpc | Mar 25 23:19 |
| schestowitz | so we'll need to speak about how to deal with it, it's already huge in schools in Canada and US for years | Mar 25 23:19 |
| Ariadne | then de Icaza ripped most of the PNET class library to bootstrap Mono | Mar 25 23:20 |
| psymin | One of the neat things about free software, is that if things get hairy in one group, you can fork. | Mar 25 23:20 |
| psymin | But there are issues, social issues. | Mar 25 23:20 |
| Ariadne | psymin: forking wasn't viable | Mar 25 23:20 |
| Ariadne | everyone says "you can fork", but it's not really that simple | Mar 25 23:20 |
| schestowitz | [23:18] <Ariadne> schestowitz: we would not have Rust < rust may be technically ok, but they seem to have been hijacked somewhat by large corporations because mozilla ebbs away | Mar 25 23:21 |
| psymin | Yeah, forking ends up with diminished return. | Mar 25 23:21 |
| psymin | Unless you can get a large group on your side, socially. | Mar 25 23:21 |
| psymin | The social stuff is the vulnerable point in free software. | Mar 25 23:21 |
| Ariadne | Hellwig v VMware makes forking even less valuable btw | Mar 25 23:21 |
| Ariadne | people talking about "lets fork GNU software" | Mar 25 23:21 |
| schestowitz | someone needs to fork wordpress | Mar 25 23:21 |
| Ariadne | cool, you're going to wind up with a codebase you can't protect the copyleft on | Mar 25 23:21 |
| MinceR | rust started out with a nonfree trademark policy and went downhill from there | Mar 25 23:21 |
| schestowitz | to keep it simpler and lighter | Mar 25 23:21 |
| schestowitz | or rewrite some bits of it | Mar 25 23:22 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i am pretty happy with wordpress 5 | Mar 25 23:22 |
| schestowitz | some people forked it in the past | Mar 25 23:22 |
| psymin | Hmm. "Hellwig failed to identify in the VMware product the specific lines of code for which he owned copyright" | Mar 25 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: i installed it recently | Mar 25 23:22 |
| schestowitz | at work | Mar 25 23:22 |
| schestowitz | it would not even go without JS | Mar 25 23:22 |
| schestowitz | blank pages | Mar 25 23:22 |
| schestowitz | psymin: vmware admitted violation | Mar 25 23:23 |
| schestowitz | late: | Mar 25 23:23 |
| psymin | damn | Mar 25 23:23 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/04/28/openwashing-vmware-after-gpl-abuses/ | Mar 25 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Helped VMware Lie About Its Deliberate GPL Violations That are Connected to Microsoft, Another Prolific GPL Violator | Techrights | Mar 25 23:23 | |
| schestowitz | insider | Mar 25 23:23 |
| schestowitz | not many noticed | Mar 25 23:23 |
| schestowitz | ad hom against us | Mar 25 23:23 |
| psymin | ugh the linux foundation | Mar 25 23:23 |
| schestowitz | they helped cover up the mess | Mar 25 23:24 |
| psymin | all the complainers should just go there instead of the fsf :) | Mar 25 23:24 |
| schestowitz | and spamnil still does with "disk" | Mar 25 23:24 |
| schestowitz | "dirk | Mar 25 23:24 |
| MinceR | 26 002152 <+Ariadne> cool, you're going to wind up with a codebase you can't protect the copyleft on | Mar 25 23:24 |
| MinceR | how does this work? | Mar 25 23:24 |
| schestowitz | they keep googlebombing the topic | Mar 25 23:24 |
| schestowitz | to create uncertainty and doubt about what they did | Mar 25 23:24 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: in EU, you're required to prove ownership of a non-trivial part of the code (and they count it by LOC) | Mar 25 23:24 |
| MinceR | curious | Mar 25 23:25 |
| MinceR | what counts as "non-trivial"? | Mar 25 23:25 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: Hellwig tried to sue VMware because his code from Linux (header files) were included into VMkernel | Mar 25 23:25 |
| psymin | more than headers, I'd hope, like SCO? | Mar 25 23:25 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: and he did not meet the requirements | Mar 25 23:25 |
| psymin | damn | Mar 25 23:26 |
| psymin | they count it by lines of code?! | Mar 25 23:26 |
| MinceR | what was the nature of his code? typo fix, bug fix, new feature, new driver? | Mar 25 23:26 |
| Ariadne | (it was his linked lists implementation) | Mar 25 23:26 |
| MinceR | ah. | Mar 25 23:26 |
| psymin | so you can flat out copy X number of lines and be fine? | Mar 25 23:26 |
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| Ariadne | i guess so, if they are the right lines | Mar 25 23:26 |
| MinceR | so copyleft is even weaker than believed before | Mar 25 23:26 |
| psymin | I've got an idea for an unethical business :D | Mar 25 23:27 |
| Ariadne | Christoph Hellwig is a core linux dev btw | Mar 25 23:27 |
| Ariadne | so he definitely has some skin in that game | Mar 25 23:27 |
| MinceR | well, figures | Mar 25 23:27 |
| Ariadne | but because he did not control "enough" of Linux, he could not sue | Mar 25 23:27 |
| MinceR | what can one expect when trying to get the state to do something that is not in the interests of sociopaths in charge of megacorporations... | Mar 25 23:27 |
| psymin | Perhaps we could put folks on the FSF board who have been "on the front lines" vs closed source, like Hellwig. Or who have been ejected from their projects by the outrage mob. | Mar 25 23:28 |
| MinceR | they may not have the time to deal with FSF board activities, though | Mar 25 23:28 |
| MinceR | or the interest | Mar 25 23:28 |
| psymin | very true | Mar 25 23:28 |
| Ariadne | "Perhaps we could put folks on the FSF board who have been "on the front lines" vs closed source, like Hellwig." this i would support | Mar 25 23:28 |
| MinceR | but it's worth a try | Mar 25 23:29 |
| schestowitz | https://linuxreviews.org/Fight_against_idiocy;_support_RMS | Mar 25 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Fight against idiocy; support RMS - LinuxReviews | Mar 25 23:29 | |
| schestowitz | by Chaekyung | Mar 25 23:29 |
| Ariadne | i am not capable of supporting RMS, only offering extreme neutrality | Mar 25 23:29 |
| Ariadne | but i have my own personal grievances | Mar 25 23:30 |
| Ariadne | putting the dotGNU sabotage aside | Mar 25 23:30 |
| CrystalMath | reaching 2,000 soon: https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ | Mar 25 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS. | Mar 25 23:31 | |
| psymin | it is understandable to have personal grievances | Mar 25 23:31 |
| psymin | I have some strong personal grievances against a few folks. | Mar 25 23:31 |
| Ariadne | i could still not support support him because i have not seen any evidence that he has resolved his anger issues | Mar 25 23:31 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: well, at least i have, i think | Mar 25 23:31 |
| psymin | None of us are "without sin". | Mar 25 23:31 |
| CrystalMath | wait, does Ariadne have me on ignore now? | Mar 25 23:31 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: you're supposed to have me on /ignore | Mar 25 23:31 |
| CrystalMath | i forgot | Mar 25 23:31 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 25 23:31 |
| CrystalMath | oh... the opposite | Mar 25 23:31 |
| CrystalMath | dammit | Mar 25 23:32 |
| CrystalMath | no i don't really use /ignore | Mar 25 23:32 |
| CrystalMath | i was rightfully angry about attempting to shut down techrights | Mar 25 23:32 |
| Ariadne | psymin: i am definitely one of the people RMS told schestowitz that have legitimate grievances | Mar 25 23:32 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: being techrights sysadmin is highly stressful | Mar 25 23:33 |
| Ariadne | trust me, i would rather not :) | Mar 25 23:33 |
| psymin | I'm sure it is a high-profile position that attracts a lot of negative attention from the outrage mob. | Mar 25 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1eXRAP.img | Mar 25 23:33 |
| Ariadne | well it is more that sometimes the site takes positions that are the opposite of my own :) | Mar 25 23:34 |
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| Ariadne | which is fine | Mar 25 23:34 |
| Ariadne | but on certain topics, it is not nice to constantly be reminded of that inconsistency | Mar 25 23:34 |
| CrystalMath | i kinda forgot what the trouble was on that day | Mar 25 23:34 |
| CrystalMath | Old_Man was talking about.... err... rms? | Mar 25 23:34 |
| Ariadne | it is also not nice to be told about qanon dog whistles | Mar 25 23:34 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: no | Mar 25 23:34 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: nothing to do with rms | Mar 25 23:35 |
| psymin | Have you seen the HBO documentary about that? :D | Mar 25 23:35 |
| CrystalMath | yeah it's gone from my mind.... | Mar 25 23:35 |
| CrystalMath | RMS overwrote most of it | Mar 25 23:35 |
| CrystalMath | i don't even remember what project i had in mind | Mar 25 23:35 |
| psymin | I guess some drama has a positive side effect | Mar 25 23:35 |
| CrystalMath | that i was going to do | Mar 25 23:35 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: anyway i did initially sign the fuck RMS petition, but i am considering backing out of that | Mar 25 23:35 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i signed the pro RMS petition | Mar 25 23:35 |
| Ariadne | i support your right to do so | Mar 25 23:36 |
| psymin | ^ | Mar 25 23:36 |
| CrystalMath | along with what looks like a long list of people of mine and related nationalities | Mar 25 23:36 |
| XFaCE | sure, I never said you couldn't | Mar 25 23:36 |
| CrystalMath | there's qite a few serbian people, and LOTS of russians on that list | Mar 25 23:36 |
| XFaCE | but I will call out your principals | Mar 25 23:36 |
| Ariadne | and i understand why you would want to do so | Mar 25 23:36 |
| psymin | It has been great to be a part of this conversation, but I have to take off now. Thanks :) | Mar 25 23:37 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: my principles are that i like to support the people i mentored in GNU and the petition is meaningless anyway | Mar 25 23:37 |
| XFaCE | The petition isn't meaningless. the scope and size has seen to that | Mar 25 23:37 |
| XFaCE | and we have plenty of examples of mob tactics of late to show the harm that comes from these things | Mar 25 23:37 |
| Ariadne | really? RMS still seems to be an executive director at FSF | Mar 25 23:37 |
| XFaCE | yeah, but it chills regular people into silence | Mar 25 23:37 |
| *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Mar 25 23:38 | |
| XFaCE | because they'll see a massive mob campaign | Mar 25 23:38 |
| XFaCE | it chills speech, period | Mar 25 23:38 |
| schestowitz | [23:31] <CrystalMath> reaching 2,000 soon: https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ | Mar 25 23:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS. | Mar 25 23:38 | |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: that is partially why i reconsider | Mar 25 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I too would reign if it was not github | Mar 25 23:38 |
| schestowitz | and I know others who say the same | Mar 25 23:38 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: imo it shouldn't be a partial reason | Mar 25 23:39 |
| XFaCE | it should be the reason | Mar 25 23:39 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: i was reading the debian GR and there were people who said they agreed in principle that they did not like FSF, but that they felt their speech was squashed by this | Mar 25 23:39 |
| XFaCE | it's common sense | Mar 25 23:39 |
| XFaCE | Yes, but why didn't this occur to you at the beginning? | Mar 25 23:39 |
| Ariadne | it did | Mar 25 23:39 |
| XFaCE | Sorry to hammer this point over and over | Mar 25 23:39 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i started up firefox for my GNU/lord and GNU/savior | Mar 25 23:39 |
| CrystalMath | because i would take a bullet for him | Mar 25 23:39 |
| schestowitz | [23:34] <Ariadne> well it is more that sometimes the site takes positions that are the opposite of my own :) | Mar 25 23:39 |
| schestowitz | This is normal | Mar 25 23:39 |
| schestowitz | but all in all we likely agree on very many things | Mar 25 23:39 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: yes well, on that One Specific Topic, it was becoming a Problem | Mar 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I don't agree with FSF on some stuff | Mar 25 23:40 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: RMS is not the ED of the FSF, he's a board *member* | Mar 25 23:40 |
| CrystalMath | that's all he is | Mar 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | e.g. techrights.org/2014/03/25/uefi-secure-boot-and-fsf/ | Mar 25 23:40 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: oh ok | Mar 25 23:40 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: well he is still on the board | Mar 25 23:40 |
| Ariadne | so the petition has not succeeded in achieving its objective | Mar 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2014/03/25/uefi-secure-boot-and-fsf/ | Mar 25 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | My Disagreement With the FSF Over UEFI ‘Secure Boot’ | Techrights | Mar 25 23:41 | |
| XFaCE | >IT IS NOT often that I get to say this, but I disagree with the FSF’s decision to grant Matthew Garrett an award for work on UEFI. | Mar 25 23:41 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: he seems greatful eh | Mar 25 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I also strongly disagree with RMS about some of the things he wrote a decade ago about the Dutch pedo people | Mar 25 23:41 |
| schestowitz | "party" | Mar 25 23:41 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: so anyway, i have friends in Debian who feel intimidated by this process | Mar 25 23:41 |
| schestowitz | the views he expressed, however, were not illegal | Mar 25 23:41 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: https://codeberg.org/rms-support-letter/rms-support-letter/issues/1 | Mar 25 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-#1 - Make a comment here if you want to be added without a github account - rms-support-letter - Codeberg.org | Mar 25 23:41 | |
| CrystalMath | a non-github place to be added to the pro-RMS petition | Mar 25 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I was also shown why he was 'conned' into making those statements | Mar 25 23:41 |
| Ariadne | so now, it is "support friends in GNU who signed" vs "support friends in Debian who feel intimidated" | Mar 25 23:41 |
| schestowitz | it was some GNU person | Mar 25 23:41 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: yes, and this was bound to happen | Mar 25 23:42 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: the github people are contacted with your name, but there will be a delay | Mar 25 23:42 |
| XFaCE | every single time with mob tactics | Mar 25 23:42 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: indeed | Mar 25 23:42 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: you can sign | Mar 25 23:42 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: let me check the codeberg one.. | Mar 25 23:42 |
| schestowitz | rianne also RealLY wanted to sign | Mar 25 23:42 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: for some reason though, I could see where this was definitely headed and you didn't believe until you saw the people actually being affected | Mar 25 23:42 |
| XFaCE | or you discounted the possibility | Mar 25 23:42 |
| XFaCE | whatever the reason | Mar 25 23:42 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: i don't really make decisions based on where things are "headed" | Mar 25 23:43 |
| schestowitz | I'd to sign in | Mar 25 23:43 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: i make decisions based on what feels right at that moment | Mar 25 23:43 |
| schestowitz | and then I might get listed on a Microsoft page | Mar 25 23:43 |
| schestowitz | [23:41] <Ariadne> so now, it is "support friends in GNU who signed" vs "support friends in Debian who feel intimidated" | Mar 25 23:43 |
| schestowitz | some people conflate that with "safety" | Mar 25 23:44 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: then that's a character flaw, IMO | Mar 25 23:44 |
| XFaCE | if you have to engage in self-defence against a burgler | Mar 25 23:44 |
| schestowitz | a word that some people ingeniously redefined | Mar 25 23:44 |
| XFaCE | fine | Mar 25 23:44 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: i am very much a human being | Mar 25 23:44 |
| schestowitz | like being afraid of being refuted is about "safety" | Mar 25 23:44 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: But I think you are a better human being than that | Mar 25 23:44 |
| XFaCE | because I'm a better human being than that, and I'm flawed piece of shit | Mar 25 23:44 |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: i like to support my friends when they want to express their speech | Mar 25 23:45 |
| Ariadne | but now it is a crossroads | Mar 25 23:45 |
| XFaCE | Then you should ask what kind of friends they really are | Mar 25 23:45 |
| schestowitz | if signing up and signing in the comments there would have me listed in a github page, it would sent the wrong message | Mar 25 23:45 |
| schestowitz | it would not say where I signed it | Mar 25 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I already got in trouble at work for asking people to not compel others to touch github | Mar 25 23:46 |
| *schestowitz checks RSS feeds... items about FSF and RMS have dried up | Mar 25 23:46 | |
| schestowitz | A new "board process" at the FSF http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149204#comment-28823 | Mar 25 23:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Preliminary board statement on FSF governance | Tux Machines | Mar 25 23:47 | |
| Ariadne | XFaCE: they are excellent friends who are committed to sftware freedom | Mar 25 23:47 |
| schestowitz | this responds to the KDE and others | Mar 25 23:47 |
| schestowitz | with more reasonable requests to FSF | Mar 25 23:47 |
| XFaCE | Ariadne: they need to rethink some of their principles | Mar 25 23:47 |
| Ariadne | they do not | Mar 25 23:47 |
| schestowitz | LibreOffice became OSI board member using the TDF site | Mar 25 23:47 |
| XFaCE | they do | Mar 25 23:47 |
| schestowitz | without stating he works at OSI | Mar 25 23:47 |
| XFaCE | because their actions do not show good principles | Mar 25 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Italo | Mar 25 23:47 |
| XFaCE | they may have good intentions, but good intentions is a poor reason for bad actions | Mar 25 23:48 |
| schestowitz | I've know Ariadne for ages online | Mar 25 23:48 |
| schestowitz | she's a good person, pulled from several directions | Mar 25 23:48 |
| schestowitz | like colleagues pained by experiences with RMS and others | Mar 25 23:48 |
| XFaCE | I'm sure you have Roy, and I've talked with her in DMs, she has a good character despite being flawed just like any of us | Mar 25 23:48 |
| Ariadne | yes, i am one of the few people that everyone is willing to work with | Mar 25 23:49 |
| Ariadne | even RMS | Mar 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | you can't please everyone | Mar 25 23:49 |
| Ariadne | although the odds of a collaboration are admittedly unlikely | Mar 25 23:49 |
| Ariadne | the last one being a bit cancelled | Mar 25 23:49 |
| Ariadne | as the kids say | Mar 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | I try not to comment on things that cause feuds, diplomatically it's better to focus on common/shared threats | Mar 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | infighting happens a lot this week | Mar 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | so I decided to not touch the subject until Sunday | Mar 25 23:49 |
| XFaCE | I wouldn't call this infighting but just a disagreement | Mar 25 23:49 |
| XFaCE | I'm not going to report Ariadne to the gulag | Mar 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | it got worse | Mar 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | maybe you did not see it | Mar 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | lots of name-calling | Mar 25 23:50 |
| XFaCE | As expected. These people have a lot of immaturity | Mar 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | social control media makes it WORSE | Mar 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | MUCH worse | Mar 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | people post libel | Mar 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | or repost it | Mar 25 23:50 |
| XFaCE | It's a dopamine hit | Mar 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | linking to news that says things like "Epstein defender" | Mar 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | which RMS is NOT! | Mar 25 23:50 |
| XFaCE | a feedback loop | Mar 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 25 23:51 |
| Ariadne | agree that RMS is not epstein defender | Mar 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | no fact-checking in so-called media, either.. | Mar 25 23:51 |
| Ariadne | i have the original receipts | Mar 25 23:51 |
| XFaCE | I quit social media long ago | Mar 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I quit last year | Mar 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Mar 25 23:51 | |
| XFaCE | Even free software ones | Mar 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I stopped reading replies there, too | Mar 25 23:51 |
| XFaCE | The world does not need more twitters | Mar 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | far too toxic in sites like MINDS | Mar 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | unless you like hanging in a mental ward | Mar 25 23:51 |
| XFaCE | It seems there's a renaissance in forums, im, and personal websites | Mar 25 23:52 |
| XFaCE | and I welcome that change | Mar 25 23:52 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 25 23:52 |
| schestowitz | we try to encourage that | Mar 25 23:52 |
| schestowitz | RSS | Mar 25 23:52 |
| XFaCE | RSS is one of the most underrated things | Mar 25 23:52 |
| schestowitz | blogs take WORK | Mar 25 23:52 |
| schestowitz | lots of work | Mar 25 23:52 |
| schestowitz | not broken sentences and mind farts in tweets | Mar 25 23:52 |
| XFaCE | I know that very well lol | Mar 25 23:52 |
| schestowitz | 1MB Web pages as "tweets" | Mar 25 23:52 |
| XFaCE | Remember we worked together | Mar 25 23:52 |
| schestowitz | yeah, it was great | Mar 25 23:52 |
| schestowitz | we also used our wiki to edit collaboratively | Mar 25 23:53 |
| schestowitz | we still have those history-logged in the wiki | Mar 25 23:53 |
| Ariadne | anyway this whole thing will blow over | Mar 25 23:53 |
| XFaCE | It makes me happy to hear you say that... sometimes it's hard to gauge appreciation from a position of shyness | Mar 25 23:53 |
| XFaCE | and immaturity | Mar 25 23:53 |
| schestowitz | here: http://techrights.org/wiki/Work_in_Progress | Mar 25 23:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Work in Progress - Techrights | Mar 25 23:53 | |
| schestowitz | you're listed a lot ther | Mar 25 23:53 |
| schestowitz | LOL. "This page has been accessed 69,445 times." | Mar 25 23:54 |
| schestowitz | people can see the typos and stuff in the change logs | Mar 25 23:54 |
| Ariadne | i'm still salty about RMS undermining PNET :) | Mar 25 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: the momentum was lost tonight, tomorrow it'll be crumbs and weekend likely nothing | Mar 25 23:54 |
| Ariadne | the FSF could have cut mono off *and* given people an excellent programming language | Mar 25 23:54 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Apple_hypePad_and_DRM_Failure&action=history | Mar 25 23:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Revision history of "Apple hypePad and DRM Failure" - Techrights | Mar 25 23:55 | |
| Ariadne | but noooooooooooooo | Mar 25 23:55 |
| XFaCE | I for one do not lament the loss of C# | Mar 25 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: c# was a vendor capture issue | Mar 25 23:55 |
| schestowitz | like ooxml was | Mar 25 23:55 |
| XFaCE | like ooxml | Mar 25 23:55 |
| XFaCE | ha | Mar 25 23:55 |
| schestowitz | you don't want gnu/linxu toolchain to be chasing microsoft | Mar 25 23:55 |
| XFaCE | which has been libreoffice's issue for years | Mar 25 23:56 |
| schestowitz | re ooxml | Mar 25 23:56 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: true, i was more naive back then | Mar 25 23:56 |
| schestowitz | many things became web-based | Mar 25 23:56 |
| XFaCE | and now with that new excel programming language | Mar 25 23:56 |
| schestowitz | hence in many contexts ooxml became obsolete | Mar 25 23:56 |
| auctus | so i find it super ironic that this channel is publicly logged, with no disclosure to the user on join, no opt out, no privacy policy on the site | Mar 25 23:56 |
| XFaCE | yet another tail to chase | Mar 25 23:56 |
| schestowitz | and microsoft rebrands office as "clown" | Mar 25 23:56 |
| auctus | just realized that yesterday when the log link was posted here | Mar 25 23:56 |
| Ariadne | auctus: it used to be in topic | Mar 25 23:56 |
| auctus | it aint now :p | Mar 25 23:56 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: at this point C# is fully free software with a patent grant | Mar 25 23:57 |
| *schestowitz has changed the topic to: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell [logged online] | Mar 25 23:57 | |
| schestowitz | auctus: thanks for reminding me | Mar 25 23:57 |
| Ariadne | maybe it can make a comeback | Mar 25 23:57 |
| schestowitz | someone pointed it out last yeatr | Mar 25 23:57 |
| Ariadne | at this point i dont cae | Mar 25 23:58 |
| Ariadne | because i have moved on | Mar 25 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: because they were losing | Mar 25 23:58 |
| schestowitz | it's easy to give it away when you come from behind | Mar 25 23:58 |
| XFaCE | I remember when C# was J++ | Mar 25 23:58 |
| schestowitz | java ripoff all along | Mar 25 23:58 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: yes, but java sucks a lot harder than C# | Mar 25 23:59 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Bill_Gates_Deposition | Mar 25 23:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Deposition - Techrights | Mar 25 23:59 | |
| Ariadne | i think of C# more as "Java done right" | Mar 25 23:59 |
| schestowitz | lots of good stuff there about java | Mar 25 23:59 |
| schestowitz | bill swaying like a bird when asked about java | Mar 25 23:59 |
| schestowitz | and then presented with incriminating emails of his | Mar 25 23:59 |
| Ariadne | but anyway | Mar 25 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: right for Microsoft :-) | Mar 25 23:59 |
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