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| MinceR | benJIman: noted :) | Sep 25 05:56 |
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| MinceR | good morning | Sep 25 08:24 |
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| schestowitz | Morning. I've just realise something important.Someone sent me this: "In principle this distro is a good thing, but fall short on using the source or checking the ingredients. Picasa is a vector for DirectX, MS' proprietary imitation of OpenGL which has been industry standard for ages: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS640325500... " | Sep 25 08:25 |
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| schestowitz | "Letting or helping MS get DirectX a foothold anywhere in OpenGL's market would cede control over not just play back but also rendering in any form." Are they packaging Picasa? Either way, it shows the issue with embracing Wine out of the box. And for Google to play ball with DirectX... and ActiveX *sigh* | Sep 25 08:26 |
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| schestowitz | Pseudo science: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/20... | Sep 25 08:58 |
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| _Doug | Too much StarTrek .. :) | Sep 25 09:01 |
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| schestowitz | They should read the jail sentence from tea leaves | Sep 25 09:02 |
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| _Doug | entrails of a sheep .. | Sep 25 09:02 |
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| _Doug | wave a dead chicken at the perp :) | Sep 25 09:03 |
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| schestowitz | haxor economist reads the US economy from tea leaves. | Sep 25 09:03 |
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| _Doug | Did anyone ever do a double blind test in this brainwave reader ? | Sep 25 09:04 |
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| _Doug | "An investigator reads aloud details of the crime — as prosecutors see it — and the resulting brain images are processed using software built in Bangalore" | Sep 25 09:04 |
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| _Doug | "The inventors of the technology claim the system can distinguish between people’s memories of events they witnessed and between deeds they committed" | Sep 25 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | The brain is just a disc/plate | Sep 25 09:06 |
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| _Doug | It's been proved that false memories can be implanted, so-called recovered memories of child abuse later on turned out to be a concoction thought up by the examiner | Sep 25 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | Forget everything you know about nueron | Sep 25 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | You are getting very, very sleepy................ | Sep 25 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: you should forward this to psychic Laura. | Sep 25 09:07 |
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| _Doug | Who? If people were psychic then why Invent the Internet ? | Sep 25 09:08 |
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| _Doug | online gambling site cheated: | Sep 25 09:12 |
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| _Doug | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/0... | Sep 25 09:12 |
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| _Doug | Well - -a big DOH ... | Sep 25 09:12 |
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| schestowitz | That's the business model. | Sep 25 09:13 |
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| _Doug | Beats bunging up the cogs on one-arnmed-bandits | Sep 25 09:16 |
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| _Doug | ... gtg .. | Sep 25 09:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.business-standard.com/india/sto... "Second, according to sources close to the development, the Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS) — which met in New Delhi on the 22nd of this month — is reviewing the ISO transparency issue while simultaneously exploring alternate standards which emerge from bodies like the W3C and the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)." | Sep 25 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | Miguel on pals from Microsoft (they are now with Mono): http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2008/Sep-24-1.html "Chris Anderson is wearing a Mono T-Shirt on this PDC interview and IronRuby.com is hosted on DekiWiki, a Mono-powered Wiki site." Well, sure, Microsoft people stay with .NET. | Sep 25 10:43 |
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| trmanco | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Microsoft | Sep 25 13:44 |
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| trmanco | "Micro$$$oft, formerly known as My-Crow-Soft, inspired by disciplined structure of a old crow's nest, is a former world domination axed company that now produces nerve cell destroying software." | Sep 25 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | I remember their article on Vista. | Sep 25 13:45 |
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| trmanco | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista | Sep 25 13:47 |
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| trmanco | vista's on is even better | Sep 25 13:47 |
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| trmanco | see the screenshot with compiz on fedora | Sep 25 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I remember. Let me see. | Sep 25 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | Vista is howt. | Sep 25 13:48 |
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| _Doug | any views on Microsofts' legacy Vista OS ? | Sep 25 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista | Sep 25 14:28 |
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| _Doug | So, we can skip the Vista upgrade ? | Sep 25 14:29 |
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| _Doug | re: the LSE, any firm evidence it wasn't a borked upgrade that caused it ? | Sep 25 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | No, LSE is all about secrecy. | Sep 25 14:31 |
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| _Doug | given the reputations at stake, they must have found a 'report' by now putting the blame on UNIX ? | Sep 25 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | You mean " 'found' a report " | Sep 25 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | As in paid someone to write it (manufacture it) and then linked to it in some MSDN blogs..? | Sep 25 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Example just from yesterday: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0... | Sep 25 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | May says: "That’s the conclusion of a recent Microsoft-sponsored study from Vital Wave Consulting, which Microsoft is touting in new posting on the company’s Unlimited Potential (UP) blog." | Sep 25 14:34 |
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| _Doug | Quarter of Workers' Time Online Is Personal .. | Sep 25 14:39 |
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| _Doug | http://tech.slashdot.org/... | Sep 25 14:39 |
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| _Doug | But remember, we wouldn't have been doing anything usefull anyway .. | Sep 25 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Just a quarter. :-D | Sep 25 14:41 |
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| _Doug | monday: go in at 9:00 do nothing till 11.00 when you have your first coffeebreak .. | Sep 25 14:43 |
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| _Doug | tue: Do something | Sep 25 14:43 |
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| _Doug | wed: don't turn up :) | Sep 25 14:43 |
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| _Doug | thurs: turn up in tha afternoon for the all-staff meeting | Sep 25 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | ..Unless you work for Nike. | Sep 25 14:43 |
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| _Doug | Fir: go to the pub at 12 noon | Sep 25 14:44 |
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| _Doug | Fri: go to the pub at 12 noon | Sep 25 14:44 |
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| _Doug | Fri morning is womans only meeting day. Actually that would be lesbians only ;) | Sep 25 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | :-( | Sep 25 14:45 |
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| _Doug | On a hot sunday afternoon, the aroma coming out of that room was really something ;) | Sep 25 14:47 |
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| schestowitz | WTF, _Doug ? | Sep 25 14:47 |
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| _Doug | friday = sunday | Sep 25 14:47 |
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| _Doug | lots of ladies perspiring ? | Sep 25 14:48 |
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| _Doug | use you imagination ... | Sep 25 14:48 |
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| *schestowitz point to topic | Sep 25 14:48 |
| _Doug | just me reminising .. | Sep 25 14:48 |
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| _Doug | This is Thurs, my mind is wandering, time for the pub ... | Sep 25 14:49 |
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| _Doug | bye .. see you tomorrow ... | Sep 25 14:50 |
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| pombat42 | OT: some of those lesbians that frequent the clubs are married housewife types experimenting. Use your imagination :) | Sep 25 15:04 |
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| _Doug | IP Addresses To Run Out By 2010 .. | Sep 25 17:22 |
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| _Doug | http://security.itproportal.com/articles/2008/0... | Sep 25 17:22 |
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| _Doug | Then why don't they just use letters instead ? | Sep 25 17:22 |
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| _Doug | the great virtualisation secret .. | Sep 25 17:28 |
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| _Doug | http://security.itproportal.com/articles... | Sep 25 17:28 |
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| _Doug | . | Sep 25 17:45 |
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| trmanco | Operating Systems: | Sep 25 17:52 |
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| trmanco | Vista has not achieved the popularity of older brother XP | Sep 25 17:52 |
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| trmanco | http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/internet-user... | Sep 25 17:52 |
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| trmanco | "Good showing for Linux, which has achieved a 1.16% share of visits" | Sep 25 17:53 |
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| trmanco | http://dot.kde.org/1222347961/ | Sep 25 18:01 |
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| _Doug | Should people wait to upgrade to Windows 7 ? | Sep 25 18:02 |
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| _Doug | "a 10 minute install process" ? | Sep 25 18:05 |
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| _Doug | "I for one simply cannot wait for the new calculator. " | Sep 25 18:07 |
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| _Doug | http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080122/ne... | Sep 25 18:07 |
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| _Doug | JupiterResearch: "Their challenge for Windows 7 will be how can they continue to add features that consumers will want that also don't run afoul of regulators?" | Sep 25 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | Jupiter is MS. | Sep 25 18:10 |
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| _Doug | I'd like a static task bar at the top and a static status bar at the bottom, the middle being the app window that changes focus .. | Sep 25 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | Close to them anyway. | Sep 25 18:10 |
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| _Doug | Will Windows7 be less like teletubbie land ? | Sep 25 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, sorry for not responding. I was away (gym). 246 dips in 2 minutes. :-) | Sep 25 18:12 |
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| trmanco | great | Sep 25 18:12 |
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| trmanco | NT 6.1 | Sep 25 18:12 |
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| trmanco | meh | Sep 25 18:12 |
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| trmanco | I thought they where going to rewrite the hole kernel from scratch :P | Sep 25 18:13 |
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| _Doug | anyone here used the 'ribbon' ? | Sep 25 18:13 |
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| _Doug | there's a hole in the kernel, where ? | Sep 25 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: they lie and lie. | Sep 25 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | It's not a crime, but Caldera sued them for it. | Sep 25 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | I have a copy here. It's very clearly presented: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/10/... | Sep 25 18:14 |
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| trmanco | I was just kidding :) | Sep 25 18:14 |
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| trmanco | M$ doesn't have the guts to do it | Sep 25 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | Windows 8 will do double-flips in the air, serve you coffee, and *gasp* not have viruses. Thew feature will be called Ultra-Dieselware. | Sep 25 18:15 |
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| trmanco | loool | Sep 25 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | But some features may be dropped. Some. | Sep 25 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Just stay with Windows -- for now. And hope. It's out "Any Moment Now"^TM | Sep 25 18:16 |
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| MinceR | some features, such as running your windows apps. ;) | Sep 25 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Wait, I'll find something funny. | Sep 25 18:19 |
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| _Doug | PM schest .. see ya'll | Sep 25 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | I can't find it off hand. | Sep 25 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | It's basically about Dell (I'm pretty sure it was Dell) presenting Vista (Basic) as good enough to "boot the O/S". | Sep 25 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | I think it was in their configurator. It's almost as though they made fun of Vista in public. | Sep 25 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | Oh cool. Matt Asay cites us. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-100507... | Sep 25 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | Hugely imbalanced article here < http://news.cens.com/cens/html/en/n... >, which merely echoes Microsoft's owned unsubstantiated claims. | Sep 25 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | More GL/PJ provocation: Astroturfing, sockpuppets, and SCO - ZDNet - You want to at least see this if you haven't. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1252 (he's blacklisted in GL). | Sep 25 18:49 |
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| MinceR | http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.... | Sep 25 19:07 |
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| MinceR | i remember seeing that "booting the OS" screenshot | Sep 25 19:08 |
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| MinceR | (yet i doubt that the bootloader of vista can really load an OS) | Sep 25 19:08 |
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| MinceR | hm, maybe loadlin.exe works on it | Sep 25 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | Give it 5. | Sep 25 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | They promise a thinner kernel, but it wa vapour. | Sep 25 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | Spotted 3 mins ago: The iPhone Is Now Doomed <http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/09/... > | Sep 25 19:10 |
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| trmanco | http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/25/... | Sep 25 19:13 |
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| *MinceR wonders what the fucking millions of brainless apple droids are doing on a site that's for nerds | Sep 25 19:15 |
| MinceR | they should be banned | Sep 25 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Slashdot is changed. | Sep 25 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | I quite reading it personally, but it enters other aggregators. | Sep 25 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: how did Vista climb all the way to the seat? | Sep 25 19:17 |
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| MinceR | digg has already drowned under the sea of the clueless. | Sep 25 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | Digg is a lost cause now. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/200... | Sep 25 19:19 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, I don't know | Sep 25 19:19 |
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| trmanco | corruption | Sep 25 19:19 |
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| trmanco | money can buy/corrupt a lot of things, especially OEMs | Sep 25 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | Well, the Internet can track it better. | Sep 25 19:21 |
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| trmanco | http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2008/09... | Sep 25 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/ope... | Sep 25 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | I got to say it looks quite nice with the keyboard and everything. It's suited for use, not looks. | Sep 25 19:24 |
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| trmanco | yes it is neat :) | Sep 25 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | Good news ( zoobab probably knows by now): http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/... | Sep 25 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | Make you wonder about Dan Lyons: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/0... | Sep 25 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://beranger.org/index.php?pag... "We already saw what the option of doing nothing led to. And it wasn't "corrupted capitalism", but UNREGULATED capitalism. Unregulated, the capitalism evolves towards this kind of suicidal greed. The SEC is sick. " | Sep 25 20:07 |
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| trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... | Sep 25 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Timothy Prickett Morgan is writing for them again. | Sep 25 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Second time this week and he's quite good (usually IT Beacon/Jungle). He's not a troll. | Sep 25 20:34 |
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| benJIman | "Archbishop Rowan Williams is right on the money. Because what he says is exactly what the Bible says in 1st Timothy 6:10, the love of money is the root of all evil." | Sep 25 20:34 |
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| benJIman | <-- So glad people actually bother to check what they're quoting. | Sep 25 20:34 |
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| benJIman | The original says "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil." | Sep 25 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | *nod* | Sep 25 20:35 |
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| benJIman | Which has rather a different meaning. | Sep 25 20:35 |
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| *schestowitz reads Reg article | Sep 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | That's a bad answer: '"Fedora is our key open source development platform with the community and we have no plans to change that," Whitehouse said, explaining that Fedora's reason for existence was to create the foundation code that eventually makes its way into Enterprise Linux, the commercially supported product.' | Sep 25 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | He's not supposed to say that. Fedora squashed that Slashdot-born rumour 1-2 years ago. | Sep 25 20:36 |
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| MinceR | gn | Sep 25 21:47 |
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| cj | schestowitz: that doesn't wrap to 80 columns very well | Sep 25 21:59 |
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| cj | the quotes, that is | Sep 25 21:59 |
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| cj | I wonder why my client was scrolled to the top of the buffer.... | Sep 25 22:00 |
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| cj | benJIman: heh, that quote has been re-interpreted many ways | Sep 25 22:01 |
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| cj | benJIman: were you reading the KJV or NIV? One of the many varied different translations? | Sep 25 22:02 |
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| cj | schestowitz: *shrug* Michael came to amazon and called fedora the early adopter platform and claimed that it was the testbed for RHEL | Sep 25 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | Probably true, but depends on perspective. | Sep 25 22:04 |
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| benJIman | cj: NIV has the above; ESV has "For the love of money is a root of(A) all kinds of evils." NKJV has "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil," | Sep 25 22:04 |
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| benJIman | cj: The original KJV did have a misleading translation there yes. | Sep 25 22:04 |
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| cj | schestowitz: he's the frickin' CTO. :) | Sep 25 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. To the selfish side of Red Hat this may seem alright. Fedora develpers still own their distro (GPL). | Sep 25 22:05 |
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| cj | how's it selfish? | Sep 25 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | If they want a RHEL, they have Oracle, Startcom, xos, Centos, Scientific... | Sep 25 22:06 |
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| cj | they abide by the GPL and release the source including all of their changes... that doesn't seem selfish... | Sep 25 22:06 |
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| cj | heh. Ed will be happy you included Startcom in that list. | Sep 25 22:06 |
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| cj | I didn't know anyone else had ever heard of Startcom... | Sep 25 22:07 |
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| benJIman | cj: I'm told the greek is quite clear that it's "a root" and the plural evils. I am not a greek scholar though. | Sep 25 22:07 |
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| cj | benJIman: ah. one day I want to know all languages. I'm having enough trouble with english and sanskrit, though. woe. | Sep 25 22:08 |
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| benJIman | Why are you learning sanskrit? | Sep 25 22:08 |
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| cj | benJIman: in order to read the gita in the original language | Sep 25 22:08 |
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| cj | benJIman: I plan to learn hebrew and greek eventually for the same reason (different books, though, of course) | Sep 25 22:09 |
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| cj | schestowitz: now I'm curious. What do you think of Startcom, and how did you hear about it? | Sep 25 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | LinuxToday, IIRC. | Sep 25 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/groups?sourceid=... | Sep 25 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | Beranger wrote a lot about it too. | Sep 25 22:13 |
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