IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 8th, 2008

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2008-10-09 08:39:45 UTC
Modified: 2008-10-09 08:39:45 UTC

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jose__	that's good news: Sun is crowing that a judicial ruling in the NetApp_Sun IP lawsuit has effectively invalidated another NetApp patent. The US Patent Office also appears to be rejecting NetApp's key patents in the law suit.	Oct 08 00:12
schestowitz	Well, there are many more patents out there.	Oct 08 00:12
jose__	exactly	Oct 08 00:12
schestowitz	The only value of this potential ruling is a 'watch and learn' thing	Oct 08 00:12
schestowitz	But Sun was able to counter-sue because NetApp has some real products. Had it been a troll...	Oct 08 00:13
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jose__	trollness is a loophole. Eventually, I see nothing but trolls and major companies develop partnerships with them.. and gplv3 will need help	Oct 08 00:13
jose__	developing	Oct 08 00:14
jose__	not "develop"	Oct 08 00:14
jose__	i wanted the gpl to add more in terms of prohibiting from having "interests" in third parties bringing in the lawsuit.. but that could lead to complex language and still leave room out. it's an ugly game	Oct 08 00:16
schestowitz	So will the lawmakers in other countries.	Oct 08 00:16
schestowitz	The shenanigans strive to make laws in other countries 'equally ruined'	Oct 08 00:16
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jose__	one more patent cast down does add evidence that patents are being granted badly and to loss of time and money	Oct 08 00:17
jose__	monopolies are being granted nilly-willy	Oct 08 00:17
schestowitz	There's a rescue plan^TM	Oct 08 00:17
schestowitz	If a broken economy sinks, then better ones take over.	Oct 08 00:17
schestowitz	It's Darwinism where broken systems just due.	Oct 08 00:18
schestowitz	*die. It's not sustainable living in a 10,000,000,000,000 debt	Oct 08 00:18
schestowitz	$	Oct 08 00:18
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jose__	oh, oh	Oct 08 00:37
jose__	http://www.linuxtoday.com/sec...	Oct 08 00:37
schestowitz	"Jane, get the one without the virus."	Oct 08 00:38
jose__	schestowitz, the best type of marketing.. head to head comparisons in your favor	Oct 08 00:38
schestowitz	LOL	Oct 08 00:38
schestowitz	Or format it.	Oct 08 00:39
jose__	new vocabulary for users: format, distro, apt-get	Oct 08 00:40
schestowitz	http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008...	Oct 08 00:41
jose__	thx for the link	Oct 08 00:43
schestowitz	I'll post a big bunch in BN pretty soon.	Oct 08 00:46
schestowitz	Fell behind because I had other things to catch up with..	Oct 08 00:46
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twitter	AptonCD, a very cool idea for cloning a computer spur of the moment.	Oct 08 02:56
twitter	it's already in Lenny.	Oct 08 02:56
schestowitz	Geex	Oct 08 02:59
schestowitz	Some /.er has just pulled a comment of mine from 3 years ago: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14...	Oct 08 03:00
schestowitz	He also took a shot at you again.	Oct 08 03:00
schestowitz	twitter: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novel...	Oct 08 03:00
schestowitz	You've got to stop that nymshifting thing. It's an embarrassment no matter the circumstance.	Oct 08 03:00
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wingfreex	sorry, i thought this chan was r opensuse	Oct 08 03:07
wingfreex	*for	Oct 08 03:07
schestowitz	Oh	Oct 08 03:11
schestowitz	Well, benJIman is from OpenSUSE. He spies here.	Oct 08 03:11
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twitter	I'm not embarrassed and I'm not going to castrate myself for people who think it's OK to help M$ screw everyone.	Oct 08 03:39
twitter	For all I know, BuckleDown, AlexH, Mark Anderson and Dan O'Brian are the same troll that wrote the willyhill journal they like to past to every Slashdot post I make.	Oct 08 03:40
twitter	One thing is for sure, they hate you and your site.	Oct 08 03:42
twitter	That's not the kind of people you should take advice from.	Oct 08 03:42
schestowitz	We can't censor though. I'm not going there (moderation cop)	Oct 08 03:48
twitter	I'd throw them out. All they do is call you a liar. They are not here to help you, they are here to harm and mislead.	Oct 08 03:53
pombat42	Speaking of castration, not sure if you know this but there is some very hateful dialog that shows up in Google concerning Roy and castration.	Oct 08 03:54
pombat42	It's disgusting	Oct 08 03:54
twitter	yes, I forgot that. sorry.	Oct 08 03:54
twitter	The first thing I thought of was neuter myself.	Oct 08 03:54
pombat42	Not a good idea :)	Oct 08 03:55
schestowitz	pombat42: it's libel.	Oct 08 03:55
twitter	What I really mean is I'm not going to let these fuckers censor me.	Oct 08 03:55
pombat42	never censor anything. you only play into the hands of the fools. let them expose themselves for what they are.	Oct 08 03:55
twitter	I'm going to actually look at this novelvideo crap. I imagine I'll find some repulsive designed by committee advertisement. The chances is was make by this supposed Ross Brunsin are nill.	Oct 08 03:56
pombat42	You are a celebrity now Roy! When they attack you with fluff, you know you are on the right track.	Oct 08 03:57
twitter	Heh, I liked the Mac vrs PC vrs Linux ads, but I've seen porn flicks with a better budget. Thanks Novell.	Oct 08 04:04
schestowitz	de Icaza was involved with the idea, IIRC.	Oct 08 04:06
twitter	Shrits advertisement also nice.	Oct 08 04:10
twitter	That one had a budget, music even.	Oct 08 04:11
pombat42	Personally I think the Mac vs PC ads are brilliant. The rebuttal PC ads are stupid. The best ads were the Dell dude ads.	Oct 08 04:12
pombat42	A lot of sexual undertones with the Dell ads. Especially between the mom and the Dell dude.	Oct 08 04:13
pombat42	The worst ads are the Vista / Mojave ads. They are totally bogus.	Oct 08 04:14
schestowitz	The spoofs anyway. :-)	Oct 08 04:14
schestowitz	Mojave looks like rat labs.	Oct 08 04:15
schestowitz	They also treat people like rats -- stupid.	Oct 08 04:15
pombat42	It looks like they found the 10 dumbest people on earth	Oct 08 04:15
tessier	What is Mojave?	Oct 08 04:15
twitter	Novellionair was funny, but BYU students made it. Shame to be out budgeted by students.	Oct 08 04:15
pombat42	Vista	Oct 08 04:15
tessier	Aside from a town in the high desert?	Oct 08 04:15
pombat42	Code name for a fake new version of Windows	Oct 08 04:16
twitter	actors are not always that bright, but I would not call them the 10 dumbest people on Earth	Oct 08 04:16
twitter	Pretty shiny advertisements. Too bad the company is fucking evil.	Oct 08 04:16
pombat42	I doubt they are actors, however I suspect they had to wade through 1000 different clips before they sifted out the 10 dumbest.	Oct 08 04:17
pombat42	The advertisement sucks. Nobody I know likes it.	Oct 08 04:17
twitter	Really, you think M$ is telling the truth this time?	Oct 08 04:17
pombat42	nope...they lie	Oct 08 04:17
twitter	Those are actors. M$ would use stock films or computer animation if they could.	Oct 08 04:18
pombat42	Doubtful they are actors. However, it is highly edited and if you watch carefully you can see that. Also they apple picked.	Oct 08 04:19
twitter	Apple picked ... good words. Remember the Apple Switcher, where they used stock photos for the fake blog?	Oct 08 04:20
pombat42	IOW if you sit at the corner of Hollywood and Vine with a pile of poop on a plate, sooner or later someone will come along, eat some of it and claim it taste wonderful	Oct 08 04:20
schestowitz	Cherry pick?	Oct 08 04:20
pombat42	re:Apple/..Yes I remeber that one!	Oct 08 04:20
schestowitz	twitter: it was a testimonial, not blog, IIRC.	Oct 08 04:20
pombat42	I like to be different :)	Oct 08 04:20
twitter	it was totally fake	Oct 08 04:21
pombat42	yep	Oct 08 04:21
pombat42	They also use fake camera shots of the iPhone. If you freeze the commercial you will see it mentioned at the bottom of the screen	Oct 08 04:21
twitter	M$ hates what people really thinks and goes to great lengths to brain wash/shut them up.	Oct 08 04:22
pombat42	I will say the iPhone does work pretty much as advertised. Overpriced though.	Oct 08 04:22
twitter	The new Vista ads. the guy in a shark cage, "I'm a PC" ... none of those are actors, right? Ha ha ha ha.	Oct 08 04:24
twitter	The stero type dude, he really dresses like the PC guy every day, and he was really angry that he looked like the PC Guy. Yeah.	Oct 08 04:25
twitter	Him and his early 90's suit from the thrift store - not dreamed up for a $300 million ad campaign, something spontaneous, grass roots even.	Oct 08 04:27
twitter	fail	Oct 08 04:27
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/30/w...	Oct 08 04:28
twitter	Novell, morally compatible with M$.	Oct 08 04:28
schestowitz	Someone asks you a Q: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novell...	Oct 08 04:29
twitter	I'm not going for it. Part of showing up the assholes is how much effort they put into tracking me down, a form of targeted harassment. Answering a question like that would be an admission of which accounts are mine.	Oct 08 04:33
schestowitz	Stop using mutiple accounts.	Oct 08 04:34
schestowitz	Stick with one, neglect the rest. You give them ammunition by playing their tricks.	Oct 08 04:35
twitter	What and be limited to two posts a day?	Oct 08 04:35
twitter	or less?	Oct 08 04:35
twitter	let them have the site without effort?	Oct 08 04:35
schestowitz	Let the Dot rest.	Oct 08 04:36
schestowitz	It's F*ed	Oct 08 04:36
twitter	they won't quit beating me with it even if I do quit.	Oct 08 04:36
twitter	If Slashdot is fucked, what I do does not matter.	Oct 08 04:36
twitter	I like to make them work hard and look like the hired guns they are.	Oct 08 04:37
twitter	It proves the site is Astroturfed to hell and back and should not be trusted.	Oct 08 04:37
twitter	At least the comments.	Oct 08 04:37
schestowitz	Don't play with them.	Oct 08 04:37
schestowitz	If you wrestle with a pig, you're both in the mug. Only the pig enjoys it.	Oct 08 04:38
schestowitz	There are Microsoft shills at least 2 in this IRC channel, but I can't tell which.	Oct 08 04:38
twitter	Pig meat tastes good.	Oct 08 04:38
schestowitz	Either way, they also track other sites like Digg, BN, things like USENET and try to dig up dirt.	Oct 08 04:38
schestowitz	Don't go to places where they can shovel up dirt and spread libe.	Oct 08 04:39
schestowitz	*libel	Oct 08 04:39
twitter	Those assholes say bad things about Richard Stallman. Is there a more innocent person on the planet?	Oct 08 04:39
schestowitz	They can also dpreas lies independently, in isolation, gives a manufactured debate.	Oct 08 04:39
schestowitz	As in, one troll starts some slader and others join in to say "yes, it's true."	Oct 08 04:40
schestowitz	Always some anonymous Munchkins when it comes to slander because they can get sued.	Oct 08 04:40
schestowitz	twitter: Stallman says a lot of stuff (truth) that scared a lot of people with $$	Oct 08 04:40
twitter	Yes, but all of it was true and he did nothing wrong.	Oct 08 04:41
schestowitz	The other day I found an article where he is repeatedly described as "controversial".	Oct 08 04:41
schestowitz	What does that word even /mean/?	Oct 08 04:41
schestowitz	That he's eccentric, that he's wrong? Either way, it rings a bad bell.	Oct 08 04:41
twitter	No matter what you do, the trolls are going to come for you because they want you to shut up and for people to think you are crazy.	Oct 08 04:42
schestowitz	People who know me know that they lie.	Oct 08 04:42
schestowitz	They actually do a disservice there because they get people more curious about me.	Oct 08 04:42
twitter	I'm not going to let them tell me what to do. They seek to discredit me no matter what I do and they will make shit up in any case.	Oct 08 04:42
schestowitz	I find that many people just Google my name and end up in my site.	Oct 08 04:42
schestowitz	They then read my own stories, without the libel.	Oct 08 04:43
twitter	Well, there you go.	Oct 08 04:43
schestowitz	The worst you can do is feed them.	Oct 08 04:44
schestowitz	Let them talk among themselves and save the time for something better. Oh! And please drop these multiple accounts.	Oct 08 04:45
twitter	No, the worst I can do is what they want. I could shut up and l leave them in peace.	Oct 08 04:45
schestowitz	They want you to talk about people, not about ideas.	Oct 08 04:46
schestowitz	Don't spend (waste) time occupying your mind with details like the dunces that jump for $$. Just write about ideas.	Oct 08 04:47
twitter	They don't care what is talked about, as long as it's harmful to free software.	Oct 08 04:47
twitter	I can't write anything while they have me mod bombed.	Oct 08 04:47
twitter	I'm essentially invisible.	Oct 08 04:48
schestowitz	Same in Digg for me.	Oct 08 04:48
schestowitz	I have 4 people who mod down all my comments and mod up the slander against me.	Oct 08 04:48
twitter	And of course, I never want to talk about myself. That puts the conversation away from ideas and all the way back to personal defense. I don't want to be there.	Oct 08 04:48
schestowitz	So to the audience it seems like I must have said something bad and someone who slanderously claims that I'm a paid shill or something gets +4 mode points, thus seen as credible.	Oct 08 04:49
schestowitz	These are criminals.	Oct 08 04:49
schestowitz	Criminals will be criminals like boys will be boys.	Oct 08 04:49
twitter	You don't know how many people mod you. You just know that some PR firm has targeted you. Yes they are criminals.	Oct 08 04:49
schestowitz	At the end they lose though.	Oct 08 04:49
schestowitz	And some go to prison (at least in the EU it's against the law)	Oct 08 04:50
twitter	No they don't lose, you have been silenced. We will see if they end up in jail.	Oct 08 04:50
schestowitz	twitter: I know how many if I look at patterns.	Oct 08 04:50
schestowitz	If I leave 10 comments in a couple of hours and every comment is at -4, then it's traceable.	Oct 08 04:50
schestowitz	Hold on.	Oct 08 04:50
twitter	pattern are faked	Oct 08 04:50
schestowitz	See the screenshot here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0...	Oct 08 04:51
schestowitz	See how all the negative mod points for my adjacent comments (different threads) are -4?	Oct 08 04:51
schestowitz	That's because the same trolls (some also occupy USENET, if not all) do this to thousands of my comments.	Oct 08 04:51
schestowitz	I keep them busy and they probably get paid for gagging me	Oct 08 04:52
schestowitz	They don't rotate and police (partol) Digg every 2 hours out of genuine fun. Not for several months.	Oct 08 04:52
schestowitz	Mary Jo Foley has already told me about what Microsoft calls "buddies". It assigns people to people whom it 'monitors'.	Oct 08 04:53
twitter	Whole companies offer this "service" like Perens said. They strike 24 hours a day, like they take shifts.	Oct 08 04:54
twitter	or have bots.	Oct 08 04:55
schestowitz	I posted those comments from Perens.	Oct 08 04:55
twitter	Yes, I saw that.	Oct 08 04:55
schestowitz	Those marketing people need to be locked up	Oct 08 04:55
schestowitz	They beatify what they do.	Oct 08 04:56
twitter	Found the quotes in the Firehose, of all places.	Oct 08 04:56
twitter	Perens was replying to this duchebag Blakely Rat, seen here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=63366... denying Peter Gutmann's findings and DRM in Vista.	Oct 08 05:00
schestowitz	Sounds like a fake name	Oct 08 05:00
twitter	just another Slashdot handle	Oct 08 05:01
twitter	he's been obnoxious for years but I've never had the time to write him up.	Oct 08 05:02
twitter	The above comment on Vista DRM earned him a place in my troll zoo.	Oct 08 05:02
twitter	The trolls have hundreds if not thousands of other names to chose from.	Oct 08 05:03
twitter	Slashdot reported once that M$ was buying up low numbered accounts. Pathetic, isn't it?	Oct 08 05:03
schestowitz	Got a link to it?	Oct 08 05:05
twitter	Let me look.	Oct 08 05:05
twitter	here's where cmdrtaco made fun of the concept with a charity auction http://meta.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=...	Oct 08 05:10
schestowitz	I'm going to bed now. Iff you find the proof of Microsoft buying accounts, please pass it on so I can share in some plces.	Oct 08 05:12
twitter	good night, I'm not sure this is worth the effort.	Oct 08 05:18
pombat42	Twitter: people know exacttly who you are. It's no secret. The best you can do is stick to one nym.	Oct 08 05:37
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schestowitz	The Register very late to the punch: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/07/...	Oct 08 09:38
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schestowitz	Microsoft’s Magalhães Laptops Scam and OOXML Scandals in Portugal Associated with Fraud? : http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/08...	Oct 08 10:56
schestowitz	Apple's Brick http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct...	Oct 08 11:10
guest0121	Roy I have a question	Oct 08 11:10
MinceR	i thought they had a brick already	Oct 08 11:12
guest0121	have you been using a bot to flood COLA with ~50,000+ posts, or do you do it all by hand?	Oct 08 11:13
MinceR	but i guess you can never have too many products with apple logos that can't even boot	Oct 08 11:13
schestowitz	guest0121: first of all, it's not a flood because I spent thousands of hours writing themcarefully myself.	Oct 08 11:14
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al_b	that answers my question, thankyou	Oct 08 11:14
schestowitz	And no, there's no bot at all. As i stated publicly many time, I read many RSS feeds and pick a few reports that I like for posting later.	Oct 08 11:14
al_b	good night all	Oct 08 11:15
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schestowitz	In the past I posted them as soon as I found them, but I couldn't bring together related new reports that way/.	Oct 08 11:15
schestowitz	MinceR: the name of the product sounds like a joke... humouring at their own expense.	Oct 08 11:16
MinceR	i think they don't realize the irony	Oct 08 11:17
MinceR	after all, how could an apple cultist admit even to himself that apple products aren't perfect?	Oct 08 11:18
schestowitz	In the news this morning: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/... "Ipod doomed says Wozniak [... ] He said that punters were not getting all they want when companies are proprietary and lock their products down. He said he would like to write some more powerful apps for the Iphone than you're allowed. "	Oct 08 11:23
MinceR	wow, sudden change of mind	Oct 08 11:24
MinceR	woz suddenly isn't fond of the proprietary lock-down moneygrubbing scheme the moment he's affected negatively?	Oct 08 11:25
MinceR	what a selfish jerk.	Oct 08 11:25
schestowitz	Well, it's not the first time.	Oct 08 11:26
schestowitz	http://inquirer.stanford.edu/2005/...	Oct 08 11:26
schestowitz	The link is broken now (maybe in the Web Archive), but it used to say:	Oct 08 11:26
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schestowitz	Woz :""It's very much like that, but sometimes the engineers are - yeah, no, I think it's very similar, very similar. Sometimes the engineers are true artists and really care what they're doing, doing a really great job. Although, I don't know how much I can even say that because the big companies, Microsoft, Apple and AOL, they tend to turn out the crappiest products, you know, software-wise."	Oct 08 11:27
schestowitz	"The ones that have the most bugs, the most items that are supposedly in there but don't work. The most things that are left out because they aren't finished. The most things that are inconsistent with the way they did their last program. I get the worst, worst software almost always from Apple."	Oct 08 11:27
schestowitz	No watches: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.stanford.e...	Oct 08 11:28
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schestowitz	http://forums.macrumors.com... and http://mac360.com/index.php/mac360/com... discuss it.	Oct 08 11:29
MinceR	so he keeps changing his opinion	Oct 08 11:29
MinceR	http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inqui...	Oct 08 11:29
schestowitz	No, he like open source for technical merits (like BSD), not for freedom, as far as I can tell.	Oct 08 11:30
schestowitz	*likes	Oct 08 11:30
schestowitz	[obs: sys-con is still bombarding Google News with an arbitrary list of company names. Still an unethical tabloid, I gather.]	Oct 08 11:31
MinceR	so he doesn't believe in profiting from quality products but he still demands profit and quality products	Oct 08 11:31
MinceR	i wonder how that adds up	Oct 08 11:32
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trmanco	http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/lin...	Oct 08 12:38
trmanco	http://www.google.com/search?q=e...	Oct 08 12:38
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schestowitz	I remembered this thread.	Oct 08 12:49
schestowitz	I think GPL put it up in 2006 or 2007.	Oct 08 12:49
schestowitz	*GL	Oct 08 12:50
trmanco	...	Oct 08 12:51
trmanco	I'm getting pissed of with this sh*t	Oct 08 12:51
trmanco	off*	Oct 08 12:51
trmanco	"Linus didn't say that.	Oct 08 12:53
trmanco	A boob on Schestowitz's IRC channel said that. "	Oct 08 12:53
schestowitz	Can't compete? But some new laws.	Oct 08 12:53
trmanco	http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advoca...	Oct 08 12:53
trmanco	no not the tux3 thing	Oct 08 12:53
schestowitz	Ah... that's a Microsoft shill, Gary M Stewart.	Oct 08 12:54
schestowitz	Maybe he'll be taken to jail some day.	Oct 08 12:54
trmanco	yes	Oct 08 12:54
schestowitz	AstroTurfing is not a crime in the US though.	Oct 08 12:54
schestowitz	AFAIK.	Oct 08 12:54
trmanco	the boob he is referring to is me, I think	Oct 08 12:54
schestowitz	His libel of me, hoever, is very serious crime, not to mention identity theft.	Oct 08 12:54
schestowitz	Gary has an obsession with genitalia and bodyparts. He uses that to repel readers.	Oct 08 12:55
trmanco	lol	Oct 08 12:55
schestowitz	I hear that Microsoft et al also use a lot of sick content and imagery to repel people who read Slashdot or even blasklist the domain.	Oct 08 12:56
schestowitz	*lacklist	Oct 08 12:56
trmanco	http://www.junauza.com/2008/07/12...	Oct 08 12:57
schestowitz	See this news http://news.northxsouth.com/2008/10/06/v... , then http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/08/m...	Oct 08 13:00
schestowitz	Wherever Microsoft moves there appears to be some scam. (Nigeria for example... bribes against Mandriva)	Oct 08 13:01
schestowitz	trmanco: I posted this Jun link the other day	Oct 08 13:01
trmanco	on usenet?	Oct 08 13:01
trmanco	lol	Oct 08 13:04
trmanco	arguidos	Oct 08 13:04
schestowitz	No, in BN	Oct 08 13:05
trmanco	the English word is "under my tongue"	Oct 08 13:05
trmanco	ok	Oct 08 13:05
trmanco	grrr	Oct 08 13:06
schestowitz	What?	Oct 08 13:06
trmanco	IMHO I really hate those stupid magalhães laptops	Oct 08 13:06
schestowitz	I left a comment in Linux Today.	Oct 08 13:06
trmanco	what are 10 year olds going to do with a computer	Oct 08 13:07
schestowitz	Magalhães =money-washing scheme, Windows addition	Oct 08 13:07
trmanco	watch porn?	Oct 08 13:07
schestowitz	*addication	Oct 08 13:07
trmanco	yes	Oct 08 13:07
schestowitz	*addiction	Oct 08 13:07
schestowitz	That's what happened in Nigeria	Oct 08 13:07
trmanco	that is not the only M$hit money washing scheme in portugal	Oct 08 13:07
schestowitz	http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/nige...	Oct 08 13:08
trmanco	there is another program	Oct 08 13:08
trmanco	called E-escolas	Oct 08 13:08
trmanco	which enables students from 6th to 12th grade to but laptops running ** for 250€ with internet	Oct 08 13:09
trmanco	95% of those laptop models come with Windblows Vispa	Oct 08 13:10
trmanco	and office 2007	Oct 08 13:10
trmanco	and I have heard today that the government is going to expand this program to university students	Oct 08 13:11
trmanco	but I don't remember where I have read it	Oct 08 13:11
schestowitz	They don't understand what they do.	Oct 08 13:11
schestowitz	They just see $$ and discounts.	Oct 08 13:12
trmanco	yes	Oct 08 13:12
trmanco	btw	Oct 08 13:12
schestowitz	Microsoft pretends they get a bargain and head of states happily let the kids become a prisoner of an abuser and their data locked in.	Oct 08 13:12
schestowitz	People ought to protest.	Oct 08 13:12
trmanco	its not 250€ its 150€	Oct 08 13:12
schestowitz	Schools are typically the same, with Microsoft puppets like BECTA.	Oct 08 13:12
trmanco	there is a 6gb ram laptop model but it only comes with Linux	Oct 08 13:13
trmanco	good thing	Oct 08 13:13
schestowitz	All they know is Microsoft and they are not interesting in even /knowing/ about anything else. It's the scientology-like culture a EU government delegate compared Microsoft to.	Oct 08 13:13
trmanco	but what I hear it that "I'll but it, but then I will install vista on it"	Oct 08 13:13
trmanco	I'll buy it*	Oct 08 13:14
trmanco	a pirated version of vista	Oct 08 13:14
trmanco	I hear this from my colleagues at school	Oct 08 13:14
trmanco	or comments like "the problem with that 6GB laptop is that it comes with linux"	Oct 08 13:15
schestowitz	If their schools only teaches them WIndows....	Oct 08 13:15
trmanco	this laptop model it the best in that e-escolas program	Oct 08 13:15
trmanco	yes the do 99% of the time	Oct 08 13:15
schestowitz	It's the illusion of choice sometimes.	Oct 08 13:15
schestowitz	Microsoft is willing to lose money just to ensure the Linux laptops remain less attractive.	Oct 08 13:16
schestowitz	The European COmmission lost its way some time ago, so there's not much hope for policing.	Oct 08 13:16
schestowitz	In this world you have people who police things like parking tickets, but they fail to put in jail the fraudsters responsible for the financial collapse, the criminals among Microsoft employees (well, recently they finally jailed one for fraud) and they also let BT go on spying on Internet users.	Oct 08 13:17
trmanco	some of my colleagues at school they are not true friends, just simples friends, if you know what I mean... they harass me just because most of the times I refuse to use windows and boot in with a linux distro	Oct 08 13:18
schestowitz	The police is controlled by those who pay the $$, be it Hollywood or whatever, which is why it typically responds to unimportant 'crime' that favours monopolies while letting rich criminals roam the Savannah.	Oct 08 13:18
trmanco	yes for sure	Oct 08 13:19
trmanco	that also happens a lot here in soccer :P	Oct 08 13:19
schestowitz	At least you are given choice. Too many in the procurement process (for education) are etther too lazy or corrupt. They want the status quo even if Vista is a total disaster, according to everyone.	Oct 08 13:19
trmanco	it is a disaster	Oct 08 13:20
trmanco	80% of my school mates bought a vista pc and switched back to xp (pirated in most cases)	Oct 08 13:20
trmanco	even one of my teachers switched back to XP over vista	Oct 08 13:21
trmanco	about 80%	Oct 08 13:21
trmanco	some of them won't install XP because there are no working drivers for it	Oct 08 13:22
trmanco	so they sort of get locked with vista	Oct 08 13:22
trmanco	and have no other choice but vista in the windows world	Oct 08 13:22
schestowitz	It's a forced upgrade treadmill.	Oct 08 13:23
schestowitz	That should be made illegal or enforced if it is already illegal.	Oct 08 13:23
schestowitz	In Holland I think they took formal action against VIsta.	Oct 08 13:23
trmanco	well Holland is a much more advanced country than portugal	Oct 08 13:24
trmanco	they know what is really good and bad for there economy	Oct 08 13:24
trmanco	here in Portugal all the government sees is $$ or in this case €€€	Oct 08 13:25
schestowitz	http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21050/1148// "If GNU/Linux netbooks were outselling Windows netbooks at a ratio greater than 4:1 then that means that they are outselling Windows netbooks despite the rate of returns."	Oct 08 13:30
schestowitz	I guess Canonical contradicts this by now.	Oct 08 13:30
trmanco	good article	Oct 08 13:33
twitter	I don't like the terms "luser" and "consumer".	Oct 08 13:43
twitter	companies have customers	Oct 08 13:43
twitter	software has users	Oct 08 13:43
schestowitz	I fell so much behind the news.	Oct 08 13:43
schestowitz	In USENET, I've posted very little recently because I'm cashing comments in BN	Oct 08 13:44
twitter	Cashing?	Oct 08 13:44
schestowitz	Some recent posts like the one about the BBC getting MS insiders are getting lots of attention. Something like 10,000 page views 0-9AM. It's reassuring to know that people get exposed to how corrupt the system is and help enhance this knowledge using feedback (comments).	Oct 08 13:45
schestowitz	Catching.	Oct 08 13:45
schestowitz	That was a typo	Oct 08 13:45
twitter	:) The MSI story stinks, no typo there.	Oct 08 13:45
schestowitz	With like 100 comments in one day I want to also response, not just read.	Oct 08 13:45
schestowitz	And yesterday there was a lot about Novell's YouTube 'marketing'.	Oct 08 13:46
twitter	amazing what a few hired guns can do, isn't it?	Oct 08 13:46
twitter	I saw some of it.	Oct 08 13:46
schestowitz	Some new 'nyms' showed up and I needed to catch up with their attacks on the message/r	Oct 08 13:46
twitter	Yeah, I saw a lot of that too. :)	Oct 08 13:47
schestowitz	The thing is, if I take my eyes off the comments, a discussion sometimes develops that vilifies me without giving me the space/change to defend myself or remove the FUD.	Oct 08 13:47
schestowitz	"Remove" as in point at the false claim and debunk it.	Oct 08 13:47
schestowitz	Like O'Brian's attempt to associate me with nymshifter like yourself (please stop it!).	Oct 08 13:48
twitter	After some thought, I've decided to keep using multiple accounts on Slashdot. Trolls have gamed the system to strip me of my rights and disrupt conversation. I will use the tools I have available to keep my rights and continue to share.	Oct 08 13:48
twitter	Let's not talk about that any more, it is a waste of time.	Oct 08 13:48
twitter	It is better to talk about how evil it is to cooperate with M$.	Oct 08 13:49
schestowitz	twitter: you make the /. zoo more of a zoo.	Oct 08 13:49
schestowitz	You put a show on both sides and make it a mockery of the site.	Oct 08 13:49
twitter	You are going in circles.	Oct 08 13:50
schestowitz	Ouch. http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/2008/10/0...	Oct 08 13:50
twitter	Others made a mockery of the site when they censored me.	Oct 08 13:50
schestowitz	“I have thought about my role at Sun and decided that I am better off in smaller organisations.”	Oct 08 13:50
schestowitz	“I HATE all the rules that I need to follow, and I also HATE breaking them. It would be far better for me to ‘retire’ from employment and work with MySQL and Sun on a less formal basis.”	Oct 08 13:51
schestowitz	There goes down the bin Sun's attempt to buy the M in LAMP	Oct 08 13:51
schestowitz	Not the first defection/ditch	Oct 08 13:51
schestowitz	Sun should release MySQL back to 'the wild' ;-)	Oct 08 13:52
schestowitz	Oi!!! "A well-known hedge-fund manager has hit out at Microsoft’s “overaggressive and almost panicky” attempts to plump up its online investments."	Oct 08 13:53
schestowitz	Famed investor backs away from web-obsessed Microsoft http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/08/da...	Oct 08 13:53
schestowitz	"Meanwhile, Microsoft shares have tanked over the past few weeks forcing Ballmer to admit on his recent tour of Europe that no one was safe from the dollar meltdown on Wall Street."	Oct 08 13:54
twitter	Sad to hear about a free software advocate leaving Sun.	Oct 08 13:55
twitter	Especially one with so many years of experience.	Oct 08 13:55
twitter	Watch out for that SVI site, that's the Slate/MSN stock manipulator's site.	Oct 08 13:56
schestowitz	Sun fell sharply.	Oct 08 13:57
twitter	What he says here looks reasonable but ... it's also freaking obvious as usual.	Oct 08 13:58
schestowitz	http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=JAVA...	Oct 08 13:58
schestowitz	Toggle 3M.	Oct 08 13:58
twitter	Einhorn on the other hand, ha ha M$, the money dudes have figured out what a dog you are.	Oct 08 13:59
twitter	Overall a good story ....	Oct 08 14:02
schestowitz	It's pretty stable so far in today's trading, but there's no rebound.	Oct 08 14:06
schestowitz	Big tumbles, following by "dead cat bouncing"	Oct 08 14:06
twitter	Looking at it again, Einhorn has not figured things out yet. He still thinks M$ is good at software.	Oct 08 14:07
schestowitz	You left out the word "buying"	Oct 08 14:10
schestowitz	As in "buying software"	Oct 08 14:10
schestowitz	Arno Edelmann, Microsoft's European business security product manager: "Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products. It's not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing." < http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,100... >	Oct 08 14:11
twitter	Black box. Money and people go in, shit comes out. The details are sometimes amusing but you don't want the end product.	Oct 08 14:27
twitter	Holy crap, they deleted Outlook's files and database as malware? That's like all of your mail, contacts and scheduling if you are dumb enough to use it.	Oct 08 14:30
twitter	LOL	Oct 08 14:30
twitter	unbelievable, one of the fixes is to buy a new exchange server...	Oct 08 14:38
schestowitz	"On a related note, Slate looks at the pros and cons of the Google-Yahoo deal — with an emphasis on the cons. The article quotes Microsoft attorney Brad Smith, who shared his company’s objections" http://searchengineland.com/searchbiz-14965.php	Oct 08 14:51
schestowitz	Taking on Twitter with open source software http://www.builderau.com.au/strategy/busines...	Oct 08 14:54
schestowitz	Slate = Microsoft -owned. Attacked the deal, as expected. Microsoft's own pres.. gotta buy some more papers to shape public perception and poison mind against Google.	Oct 08 14:55
twitter	blatant isn't it?	Oct 08 14:56
twitter	that's all they have to offer now, smears and crap that does not work.	Oct 08 14:57
twitter	Gee, sorry about deleting your email, calendar and contacts while protecting you from malware. We're not very good at security, why don't you upgrade your mail server? This kind of thing does not happen as often with our new software.	Oct 08 14:59
twitter	Dat's some nice email you got there.... better buy some up to date protection, drool.	Oct 08 15:00
schestowitz	The s/w is not modular in Windows. They don't test it properly/exhaustively as a result.	Oct 08 15:00
twitter	"Buy the new version" has been their stock answer to all their cock ups for more than a decade. It makes you think the cock ups are intentional.	Oct 08 15:02
schestowitz	They tested the software... but only with Microsoft Exchange. Just as they 'test' their Web sites, with Internet Explorer and Microsoft Windows onlu.	Oct 08 15:02
twitter	The other day, I installed DOS 6.x for fun. It had all the same assurances about viruses and backups they have today. The best solution is to dump all of their stuff.	Oct 08 15:03
twitter	Non free software can never be trusted.	Oct 08 15:04
twitter	Free software needs no trust, you have the source as proof.	Oct 08 15:04
twitter	It's amazing how much more worthy of trust your neighbors in the free software community are than those at M$ and other non free software companies.	Oct 08 15:05
twitter	Yet trust is what non free software always demands.	Oct 08 15:06
twitter	Blind trust.	Oct 08 15:06
schestowitz	Microsoft coders tried to put their own back door in the software.	Oct 08 15:09
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schestowitz	http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/... "Microsoft may have inadvertently disclosed a potential Microsoft backdoor for law enforcement earlier this week."	Oct 08 15:20
AVRS2	http://www.nixp.ru/news/9318 - a refutation article for the “Russian post gives up on GNU/Linux” rumors.	Oct 08 15:24
AVRS2	*Post	Oct 08 15:24
AVRS2	That is, another one based on words by a Red Hat's partner.	Oct 08 15:25
schestowitz	Do what do you think is the truth?	Oct 08 15:27
schestowitz	I see nothing about it in English-speaking feeds, so it might be an unconfirmed rumour.	Oct 08 15:28
AVRS2	What truth?	Oct 08 15:28
AVRS2	OK, it's no use mentioning it here, because it's been mentioned here already, and that article is there just because it hasn't on that site…	Oct 08 15:29
AVRS2	The company LinuxCenter (GNU/LinuxCenter) started taking pre-orders for Neo FreeRunner in Russia.	Oct 08 15:32
AVRS2	http://www.linuxcenter.ru/shop/embedded...	Oct 08 15:32
schestowitz	It sells well in education, I think.	Oct 08 15:36
schestowitz	It's also used to build mobile hackable appliances. It's the hardware people pay for and about 9 distros for it already exist.	Oct 08 15:37
schestowitz	Linux XP could make an OpenMoko-targeted derivative. You can't accept calls under you punch in an activation code.	Oct 08 15:38
AVRS2	On that newsworldwide article: the reporting feature is mentioned at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891716 since 2005 (according to web.archive.org) with disabling instructions, and in the EULA (according to Wikipedia).	Oct 08 15:49
twitter	new lows of another kind http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT	Oct 08 15:51
twitter	asian markets took it yesterday, 10% losses http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/as...	Oct 08 15:52
schestowitz	Hold gee.......	Oct 08 15:53
schestowitz	*holy... 22.x	Oct 08 15:53
schestowitz	That's almost the lowest in 10 years.	Oct 08 15:54
MinceR	once again, jobs tries to patent something he didn't invent	Oct 08 15:56
MinceR	http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid...	Oct 08 15:56
schestowitz	It's also a Sun thing, no?	Oct 08 15:58
schestowitz	And the shadows... yeah... innovation... shadows... Apple is a follower in many regards, but it's very naughty when it comes to swpats.	Oct 08 15:59
MinceR	Arthur had one	Oct 08 16:00
MinceR	without the stupid zoom effect, of course	Oct 08 16:00
MinceR	but if anyone tries to tell me that graphical effect is the point of the whole thing, i'll laugh at him	Oct 08 16:02
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brunomiguel	greets everyone	Oct 08 16:39
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_Doug	Hi all .. :)	Oct 08 17:25
_Doug	www.voicesforinnovation.org .. Admin Organization: Microsoft Corporation ... ;)	Oct 08 17:25
_Doug	"VFI is a network .. dedicated to supporting public policies that promote choice, innovation, and .."	Oct 08 17:27
schestowitz	Shill arm	Oct 08 17:27
zoobab	promote patents, vendor lock-in, etc..	Oct 08 17:27
schestowitz	Microsoft has many of them.	Oct 08 17:27
schestowitz	There should be a law with prison sentence for such AstroTurf.	Oct 08 17:28
_Doug	up is down, black is white ...	Oct 08 17:28
schestowitz	I think there is one in the EU, but it applies to other things.	Oct 08 17:28
schestowitz	Like fake blogs and fake reviews.	Oct 08 17:28
_Doug	Who won last night Obama or the old why dude ?	Oct 08 17:29
_Doug	white	Oct 08 17:29
schestowitz	Some people still wonder why "people are obssessed with Microsoft" and "how Microsoft sabotages Free software."	Oct 08 17:29
_Doug	Microsoft is just a euphenism for a particular way of doing business	Oct 08 17:29
_Doug	They are better at it than most of the rest ..	Oct 08 17:30
_Doug	a big shout out to Chandler, USA ...	Oct 08 17:31
schestowitz	Why INNOVA~1 when you can just say "innovation" when only attacking competitors.	Oct 08 17:31
_Doug	"With the support of Microsoft, VFI members educate thought leaders and elected officials about new technologies "	Oct 08 17:32
_Doug	translation: ?	Oct 08 17:32
schestowitz	Why reduce tax and please voters when you can launch smear campaigns against the other candidate?	Oct 08 17:32
schestowitz	_Doug: what it that? We ought to study who's involved in this anti-FOSS EU-based orgy.	Oct 08 17:32
_Doug	I can't watch it .. don't have SilverlightÃ¢âÂ¢	Oct 08 17:33
_Doug	https://www.voicesforinnovation.org/	Oct 08 17:33
_Doug	VFI ? we don't need to guess ..	Oct 08 17:34
_Doug	"Interoperability Principles - English UK"	Oct 08 17:34
_Doug	"Over the past few weeks radical elements in the open source community have intensified their efforts "	Oct 08 17:36
_Doug	https://www.voicesforinnovation.org/News/VFI...	Oct 08 17:36
schestowitz	"Radical"?	Oct 08 17:37
_Doug	radical, yea it's those commie Linux users again .. sounds like drug users if you ask me :)	Oct 08 17:37
_Doug	follow the link :)	Oct 08 17:37
schestowitz	Jim Allchin, Platform Group Vice President (Microsoft): "We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger….If you’re going to kill someone, there isn’t much reason to get all worked up about it and angry. You just pull the trigger. Any discussions beforehand are a waste of time. We need to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger."	Oct 08 17:38
schestowitz	Don't forget Microsoft "Jihad" (its word for marketing): http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads...	Oct 08 17:38
schestowitz	Shill site.	Oct 08 17:38
schestowitz	No video	Oct 08 17:38
schestowitz	They probably send lots of E-mails for partners to sign up	Oct 08 17:39
schestowitz	They did similar AstroTurf for OOXML back in 2006 or early 2007.	Oct 08 17:39
schestowitz	Created 'grassroots' sites, then 'invited' 'supporters' to sign up and voice support.	Oct 08 17:39
_Doug	Remember all those shreaded documents in Caldera v MS .. that MS got newSCO to shread.. except IBM prevented it .. ?	Oct 08 17:39
_Doug	Well now MS wants to resurect the self same docs in Novell v MS ..	Oct 08 17:40
_Doug	http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?st...	Oct 08 17:40
schestowitz	http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-54... "In private a government delegate compared Microsoft’s public affairs methods with the scientology cult."	Oct 08 17:40
schestowitz	_Doug: yes, I know.	Oct 08 17:40
_Doug	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/...	Oct 08 17:42
_Doug	Why did SCO do this on behalf of their new 'investor' ?	Oct 08 17:43
_Doug	Will we now get to see what exactly MS were afraid of coming out in the open ?	Oct 08 17:43
schestowitz	_Doug: where did you find this link? I'm just curious.	Oct 08 17:43
_Doug	what link ?	Oct 08 17:44
_Doug	I keep detailed files, if you must know ..	Oct 08 17:44
schestowitz	The Register. Someone sent it to me 2 months ago saying it was the likely evidence of Microsoft playing with the SCO puppet.	Oct 08 17:44
zoobab	the problem with Microsoft is evidence	Oct 08 17:45
_Doug	I remember reading about it ..gtg .. later dude	Oct 08 17:45
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schestowitz	I mentioned it here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/20/ca... (at the bottom you see followup posts)	Oct 08 17:45
zoobab	to trace the Mafia, you need to use the criminal procedure	Oct 08 17:45
schestowitz	Which is that?	Oct 08 17:45
zoobab	seize of evidence	Oct 08 17:46
zoobab	like in the AMD Vs Intel case	Oct 08 17:46
zoobab	where the European Commission seized the Intel offices looking for evidence	Oct 08 17:46
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schestowitz	Yes, Intel bribes.	Oct 08 17:47
schestowitz	But the EC hardly enforced anything.	Oct 08 17:47
schestowitz	And whiny Otellini just cried "they're anti-American"	Oct 08 17:47
schestowitz	Sometimes "anti-American" is code for "anti-corruption"	Oct 08 17:47
schestowitz	And ACT enforces this belief by attacking Kroes in public.	Oct 08 17:48
zoobab	do you have the video of ACT?	Oct 08 17:48
zoobab	when was that?	Oct 08 17:48
zoobab	I am looking for a video of Nelliee Kroes I had on my harddisk	Oct 08 17:48
zoobab	where she says she was for software patents	Oct 08 17:49
zoobab	I will dig in the archives	Oct 08 17:49
zoobab	it was last year after the 17 September announcement	Oct 08 17:49
schestowitz	Hold on.	Oct 08 17:50
schestowitz	I believe I have a video somewhere in BN where the ACT shills (and another) are shown talking. You know... the usual puppet in one of the 'shell accounts', led by the Jon Zuck shill.	Oct 08 17:51
schestowitz	Articles are easier to find though because of text indexing.	Oct 08 17:51
schestowitz	See if you can find a connection between any of the names from ACL+ACT to that new VoicesOfInnovation shell.	Oct 08 17:52
schestowitz	They just travel between 'umbrellas' whenever they get exposed for the shill the shell is.	Oct 08 17:52
trmanco	hehe	Oct 08 18:31
trmanco	good news for portugal	Oct 08 18:31
trmanco	http://tek.sapo.pt/opiniao/nos_ultimos_8_an...	Oct 08 18:31
trmanco	"Com uma visão muito marcada e definida sobre as vantagens do open source face ao software proprietário, Louis Suárez-Potts, coordenador mundial do desenvolvimento do OpenOffice.org está em Portugal para falar com o Governo sobre os projectos nas Escolas, e especialmente o Magalhães, que vai integrar a suite de produtividade na partiÃÂ§ão de Linux."	Oct 08 18:31
trmanco	translated -> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=h...	Oct 08 18:32
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trmanco	the first paragraph is interesting and it is what caught my attention	Oct 08 18:34
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schestowitz	"With a vision very marked and defined on the advantages of open source software against the owner, Louis Suarez-Potts, coordinator of the global development of OpenOffice.org is in Portugal to talk with the government on projects in schools, and the Magellan, which will integrate the suite of productivity in the partition of Linux. "	Oct 08 18:38
trmanco	too bad I only got this news today	Oct 08 18:40
trmanco	or else I would have gone to Lisbon to see him :P	Oct 08 18:40
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schestowitz	zoobab: new comment in http://www.robweir.com/blog/2008/10/wheres-rob.html ""There are several participants in SC34 who have had the stated goal of taking control of OOXML and ODF and maintaining them both in SC34 WG's. They've been quite open about this plan. The problem is that they are planning a future for standards that they neither own nor control nor have technical expertise."	Oct 08 18:41
schestowitz	trmanco: I saw him before.	Oct 08 18:41
trmanco	:P	Oct 08 18:41
trmanco	I wouldn't mind driving 250KM to see him :P	Oct 08 18:41
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cj	sigh	Oct 08 19:00
cj	schestowitz: the reason I'm here, since you're asking, and I'd prefer you ask me directly rather than make public accusations, is to facilitate a dialogue. It seems to me that you're not interested in such a dialogue. If you aren't interested in a rational, mature discussion, there is no reason for me to idle here.	Oct 08 19:01
cj	schestowitz: I think you proved to the Free Software community that you are a bigger man than they thought by removing the kick/ban. Because of that, I've decided to stay in hopes of helping to bridge any gap that you may perceive.	Oct 08 19:03
cj	if instead, you prefer to make wild, unfounded accusations instead of sitting down to talk, there is no reason to keep the channel open, as it were.	Oct 08 19:04
schestowitz	I never banned or kicked.	Oct 08 19:05
schestowitz	And I removed it after [H]omer had done it, but didn't realise how to do this properly.	Oct 08 19:05
cj	so. tell me, do you want to communicate in a bi-directional arena like adults, or would you prefer to hurl insults and paranoia about topics you do not understand, but could learn about should you ask?	Oct 08 19:05
cj	As you know, I understand that you did not kick or ban.	Oct 08 19:05
schestowitz	[H]omer had temper. But either way, I'm busy writing right now about Microsoft admitting the hijack attempt of ODF.	Oct 08 19:06
cj	okay. yes or no, should I stay and discuss topics of interest to the two of us, or should I go?	Oct 08 19:07
twitter	spill it cj.	Oct 08 19:07
cj	since schestowitz is the one insulting me publicly, I will let him make the decision, twitter.	Oct 08 19:08
twitter	he'll kick you off if you troll anyway, nothing new there.	Oct 08 19:09
twitter	In other news, " ) -- American International Group Inc., the insurer that hosted a $440,000 event at a California resort less than a week after receiving an $85 billion federal loan, said it is ``reevaluating'' its costs a day after facing Congressional criticism for the trip. ``While this sort of gathering has been standard practice in our industry for many years and was planned many months before the Federal Reserve's loan to AIG, we	Oct 08 19:09
twitter	standard practice? Nice. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid...	Oct 08 19:10
cj	are they saying "er, what we meant by '$440,000' was '$440.00'. honest rounding mistake. won't happen again"? :)	Oct 08 19:10
twitter	No, they say they are entitled to meetings at spas that cost the company nearly half a million dollars when they could have worked it all out over email.	Oct 08 19:12
twitter	Your tax dollars at work.	Oct 08 19:13
cj	twitter: come on. pidgin doesn't have webcam support, what do you expect them to do?	Oct 08 19:13
twitter	use the KDE client that does or Ekgia or any of the web phones on the market?	Oct 08 19:13
cj	twitter: p'shaw. is there a windows version of ekiga?	Oct 08 19:13
*cj ducks		Oct 08 19:13
twitter	I'm not sure what they use, they can obviously have anything they want.	Oct 08 19:15
twitter	They could be like John McCain, who's never used email. ... that would explain their communications difficulties that have to be solved by physical travel.	Oct 08 19:16
twitter	If they had a clue, they would not want to share their plans and communications with M$ and other software owners.	Oct 08 19:16
twitter	Especially when they have so much to hide.	Oct 08 19:17
cj	twitter: s/physical travel/massages/	Oct 08 19:17
cj	otr++, eh?	Oct 08 19:17
twitter	So what's your beef cj?	Oct 08 19:18
schestowitz	MSFTers tries to "engage in a conversation" with BN. Hmmm...	Oct 08 19:18
twitter	Is he?	Oct 08 19:18
cj	well, being referred to as a "lurker," "troll," and "spy" for one, two and three.	Oct 08 19:19
schestowitz	Sometimes they invite people for spa	Oct 08 19:19
schestowitz	Ask Roblimo	Oct 08 19:19
schestowitz	Microsoft flew him over to a luxurious trip	Oct 08 19:19
twitter	So tell me cj, you work for M$?	Oct 08 19:19
cj	twitter: no. I am a consultant to microsoft, not an employee.	Oct 08 19:19
schestowitz	He no longer is a "Microsoft doubter" as they call it. They bribed him with a good time.	Oct 08 19:19
schestowitz	Although he sometimes does criticise a bit, but not quite the same.	Oct 08 19:19
twitter	What do they pay you to do?	Oct 08 19:19
cj	schestowitz: oh? does being a U.S. citizen make me no longer a "Bush doubter"?	Oct 08 19:20
schestowitz	he wrote about the Microsoft mafia just beforehand, IIRC.	Oct 08 19:20
schestowitz	Mafia = http://www.linux.com/articles/61481	Oct 08 19:20
schestowitz	twitter: he's paid.	Oct 08 19:20
schestowitz	That's the bottom line.	Oct 08 19:20
schestowitz	It's like working for Microsoft remotely.	Oct 08 19:20
cj	schestowitz: however, I don't want to get into any conversations with you if you are just going to insult and mock me publicly. I agree with you on many points.	Oct 08 19:21
schestowitz	The money flows from the Vole.	Oct 08 19:21
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twitter	I understand that, but a job description would be interesting.	Oct 08 19:21
schestowitz	cj: if you are willing to work for such a company, I believe it to be sad.	Oct 08 19:21
schestowitz	Sad, yet greedy.	Oct 08 19:21
schestowitz	I suppose I could work in an uranium refinement plant too... you know, for the 'good' of society.	Oct 08 19:21
cj	schestowitz: I respect your opinion. Can you put that aside and have a rational conversation with me?	Oct 08 19:22
cj	I'm happy to agree to disagree where needed.	Oct 08 19:22
schestowitz	cj: you have conversations on behalf of your interests (employment).	Oct 08 19:22
schestowitz	Unless it's about fishing or something, then it's about Microsoft.	Oct 08 19:22
twitter	Cooperating with M$ is evil, there's nothing irrational about saying that.	Oct 08 19:22
schestowitz	Watch what they did to Miguel, although he was poisoned from day 1	Oct 08 19:23
twitter	Once again cj, what's your beef?	Oct 08 19:23
twitter	What do you do for M$?	Oct 08 19:24
cj	schestowitz: so, are you interested in conversing? can we agree to avoid slinging mud at one another?	Oct 08 19:24
twitter	still waiting	Oct 08 19:25
cj	twitter: I will get to that if schestowitz will agree to stop insulting me publicly	Oct 08 19:25
cj	schestowitz: I will, of course agree to the same.	Oct 08 19:26
twitter	what you do may deserve condemnation	Oct 08 19:26
cj	twitter: condemnation is fine. calling names is not.	Oct 08 19:27
cj	anything that you say which can be backed up by fact is fair game. insults to myself or my family is not.	Oct 08 19:27
twitter	that depends on how often you do bad things, I doubt anyone has mentioned anything about your family	Oct 08 19:28
cj	how about this: tell me here if you think something I've done is "bad"	Oct 08 19:28
twitter	unless you are Sweaty B talking about "brainwashing" his kids. even then the conversation is about how crazy B is.	Oct 08 19:28
twitter	I don't know who you are or what you do.	Oct 08 19:29
cj	I'm happy to tell you so long as you agree to treat me as an adult and a fellow free software developer	Oct 08 19:29
twitter	You work for M$, that is bad. Your level of guilt depends on your level of knowledge of how evil your employer is.	Oct 08 19:29
cj	twitter: fine. so long as you'd say the same about my being a citizen of the united states.	Oct 08 19:30
schestowitz	WHOA	Oct 08 19:31
schestowitz	Insults?	Oct 08 19:31
schestowitz	Names?	Oct 08 19:31
schestowitz	" insults to myself or my family is not."	Oct 08 19:31
schestowitz	Not you're just lying.	Oct 08 19:31
twitter	I can't say that, it is easier to find another job than it is to leave your home and extended family.	Oct 08 19:31
schestowitz	Shame on you, cj.	Oct 08 19:31
schestowitz	*Now	Oct 08 19:31
cj	schestowitz: perhaps you do not understand the concept of "lie"	Oct 08 19:31
cj	how is telling you that it is not okay to insult me a lie?	Oct 08 19:32
twitter	this is a waste of time, cj. Get to the point	Oct 08 19:32
cj	do you mean the implication that you may have done so before?	Oct 08 19:32
twitter	Normal people are honest. You are proving otherwise.	Oct 08 19:33
cj	twitter: this is not a waste of time. I am negotiating a standard of acceptable treatment.	Oct 08 19:33
twitter	Prior restraint without prior knowledge, how M$ like.	Oct 08 19:33
cj	twitter: if roy can not agree to treat me with dignity, there is no point in continuing to converse.	Oct 08 19:34
twitter	You have already broken your own restraints with false accusations and libel.	Oct 08 19:34
cj	twitter: examples?	Oct 08 19:34
twitter	You said that RS had said bad things about you and your family.	Oct 08 19:35
cj	twitter: quote me, please	Oct 08 19:35
twitter	It was a lie, even if you only implied it.	Oct 08 19:35
twitter	Promise not to beat your wife and kids and we can talk. Hmph.	Oct 08 19:35
cj	twitter: it goes "if you agree to stop beating your wife and kids ..."	Oct 08 19:36
twitter	get lost	Oct 08 19:36
cj	schestowitz: do you condone twitter's statements?	Oct 08 19:37
cj	schestowitz: keep in mind that I mean no insult by anything I've said. I respect your goals and will help you as I can.	Oct 08 19:42
cj	I ask only that we both agree to treat one another with respect from this point forward.	Oct 08 19:42
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schestowitz	Yes, I was accused of insulting a family ("insults to myself or my family is not")	Oct 08 19:46
schestowitz	Anyway, let's stop talking about people. It's rubbish. ;-)	Oct 08 19:46
cj	please forgive me. That is not what I intended.	Oct 08 19:46
schestowitz	I'm doing a post now about NOVL financial problems.	Oct 08 19:47
schestowitz	Microsoft's attempted hijack of ODF has just had proof posted	Oct 08 19:47
cj	schestowitz: so, can we agree to treat one another with respect and agree that we will not insult or assume insult from one another?	Oct 08 19:59
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 08 19:59
cj	thanks.	Oct 08 19:59
cj	okay. so the bits I wanted to share :)	Oct 08 20:00
schestowitz	I take your apology	Oct 08 20:00
schestowitz	it's you who attacked me first	Oct 08 20:00
schestowitz	Smears in Free Software Daily and all... after Homer got angry at you.	Oct 08 20:00
cj	the same here. I'm sorry for saying anything untoward. I try to keep emotion out of such conversations, as it tends to only cause distrust and obfuscation of the important pieces.	Oct 08 20:01
cj	"being informed by Mono boosters, who are now intervening in a thread whose goal is to add or prevent the entry of Moonlight into Debian."	Oct 08 20:01
cj	the intervention was being done by members of the team who were presenting moonlight for inclusion by debian	Oct 08 20:02
cj	you might also want to know that the previous DPL was pro-mono and in fact committed many patches to mono libraries and the supporting debian/ infrastructure	Oct 08 20:02
cj	I do not know the current DPL's stance toward Mono	Oct 08 20:03
cj	however, since it is approved by RMS as a "Free Software" project and released under a license which complies with the OSL and (more importantly) the Debian FSG, I would be surprised if there was opposition.	Oct 08 20:04
cj	you asked why I paste links to such topics. the reason is that I want to let #bn know about integration of these technologies into the F/OSS infrastructure. You seem interested and you bring up points that shine a skeptical light on the process. Although I do not believe that my friends on the Mono, Debian and GNOME development teams are trying to destroy the F/OSS community (quite to the contrary, in fact), I realize that it is good to have and communica	Oct 08 20:07
cj	"Jo Shields seems to be ignoring the fact that Debian lacks the prerequisite patent grant to distribute Moonlight. Only Novell has such a grant, which is something that is documented very clearly and unambiguously by both Microsoft and Miguel de Icaza."	Oct 08 20:10
cj	Debian is by and large a non-U.S. entity, consisting for the most part of developers outside the jurisdiction of U.S. patent laws. Jo (and more importantly, Mirco) in particular need not kow-tow to the patent scare.	Oct 08 20:11
cj	anyway, I've got to get back to work. Cheers.	Oct 08 20:12
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twitter	That's what M$ wanted to tell us, cj? That mono should be deeply integrated into Gnome and Debian?	Oct 08 21:00
zoobab	Debian should request a patent license, just for legal certainty	Oct 08 21:00
schestowitz	Ideally be version 3.0 as de Icaza desired back in 2003.	Oct 08 21:00
twitter	thanks but no thanks.	Oct 08 21:01
zoobab	just for fun BN should request a patent license	Oct 08 21:01
zoobab	request it at iplg@microsoft.com	Oct 08 21:02
zoobab	say you resell Mono binaries, you need to have patent license	Oct 08 21:02
zoobab	and ask at the same time which US and EP patents covers Mono	Oct 08 21:02
twitter	M$ could grant everyone a license by releasing it and all of their software GPL3 themselves.	Oct 08 21:03
zoobab	nope	Oct 08 21:03
twitter	GPL3 has anti-patent language, no?	Oct 08 21:03
zoobab	forget about copyright, patent world is another dimension	Oct 08 21:03
twitter	M$ could also transfer their bogus patents to the FSF.	Oct 08 21:04
twitter	People might begin to trust them at that point.	Oct 08 21:04
twitter	and mono might start to look like a good idea instead of a trap.	Oct 08 21:04
twitter	As long as M$ denies users their software freedom, they can not be trusted.	Oct 08 21:05
twitter	M$ declared war on software freedom. That war will only be over when M$ unconditionally surrenders.	Oct 08 21:07
twitter	The sooner they liberate their users the more customers they will be able to keep.	Oct 08 21:08
twitter	Complete ruin awaits them otherwise. Every scheme they come up with to perpetuate their obsolete business model damages their reputation further.	Oct 08 21:09
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AlbertoP	hi	Oct 08 21:19
twitter	:)	Oct 08 21:20
zoobab	they can only win if nobody does anything against software patents	Oct 08 21:20
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zoobab	I want a judgment on the First Amendment and software patents	Oct 08 21:21
*benJIman sees he has been upgraded to "Novell Spy" in schestowitz's special version of reality.		Oct 08 21:22
twitter	there's at least one judgment on business method patents on the way, if it has not already happened	Oct 08 21:22
twitter	do you work for Novell, benjie?	Oct 08 21:22
benJIman	No.	Oct 08 21:22
AlbertoP	no he does not ^^	Oct 08 21:22
twitter	does anyone pay you to be here?	Oct 08 21:23
benJIman	Or maybe that's what they want you to think €¬_€¬	Oct 08 21:23
AlbertoP	or maybe he does...in that special reality ^^	Oct 08 21:23
benJIman	twitter: Yes, you'd be surprised how much people will pay you to sit in IRC channels.	Oct 08 21:23
zoobab	twitter: you cannot differenciate swpat and business method patents	Oct 08 21:23
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twitter	zoobab, that's right	Oct 08 21:23
zoobab	I am gonna campaign against the EPO	Oct 08 21:24
MinceR	benJIman: it's called astroturfing	Oct 08 21:24
twitter	Not after listening to Perens tell us about being offered such services while working at HP, Benjie	Oct 08 21:24
twitter	If you wish that you worked for Novell, you might have a few second thoughts. http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NOVL	Oct 08 21:25
twitter	and not wanting to work for the next SCO.	Oct 08 21:26
benJIman	Yes, Novell is the only company to have had their share price drop this week.	Oct 08 21:26
twitter	they are also not the only bad investment you could have made over the last ten years either. http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT	Oct 08 21:27
twitter	It's like flushing money down a toilet that dumps shit back into your house. :)	Oct 08 21:27
twitter	What's that smell?	Oct 08 21:28
twitter	It's Novell!	Oct 08 21:28
twitter	that was childish, I admit.	Oct 08 21:28
schestowitz	MSFT at $22.x again: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=msft	Oct 08 21:30
schestowitz	Microsoft will blame "piracy" in 2 weeks when the report comes.	Oct 08 21:31
schestowitz	If results are good, then it's "despite the piracy". If underwhelming, then "because of the piracy"	Oct 08 21:31
MinceR	yet they'd be dying much faster without piracy	Oct 08 21:34
MinceR	(and in their weaker moments they even admit it)	Oct 08 21:34
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twitter	This time, they are crying "it's the economy" without admitting to their parasitic roll in that general economy. Sweaty B was quoted the other day saying financial companies would have a hard time buying his software, boo hoo, pass the bail out money.	Oct 08 21:37
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trmanco	http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu...	Oct 08 21:39
trmanco	http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/softwa...	Oct 08 21:44
twitter	Nice collection of threads on BN today!	Oct 08 21:45
AlbertoP	twitter, no stock is going up ^^	Oct 08 21:51
schestowitz	zoobab: I need Apple quotes on patents.	Oct 08 21:51
AlbertoP	I would say that for once it's right that it depends on the economy, and you don't need to be a Nobel to understand it	Oct 08 21:51
schestowitz	Any bad things they said about them?	Oct 08 21:51
AVRS2	schestowitz: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0... has no real link to the blog mentioned at the top.	Oct 08 21:53
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AVRS2	Is it a Firefox issue that blockquote cite= doesn't make a link?	Oct 08 21:54
schestowitz	AVRS2: I know. I linked to it yesterday, so the citation was near. I was lazy. Should I readd the link?	Oct 08 21:56
AVRS2	schestowitz: well, might be useful, though I have already retrieved the link.	Oct 08 21:57
schestowitz	OK< fixed now.	Oct 08 21:59
AVRS2	Thanks; are there Wikipedia-credible sources for that? Because I cannot link a comment from a random registered "Rob" the the blog.	Oct 08 22:00
AVRS2	never mind	Oct 08 22:00
schestowitz	For SC34?	Oct 08 22:01
AVRS2	Time to sleep; forgot that Blogger profiles have lists of blogs.	Oct 08 22:01
AVRS2	But still, are there other sources?	Oct 08 22:02
schestowitz	Yes.	Oct 08 22:03
schestowitz	Following the links here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10...	Oct 08 22:03
schestowitz	Today's update is about it coming almost from the horse's month.	Oct 08 22:04
AVRS2	OK, I actually haven't misdescribed SC34 in Wikipedia.	Oct 08 22:05
AVRS2	(I just said it is a sub-commitee of ISO/IEC JTC1, nothing more)	Oct 08 22:06
AVRS2	Look at https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...	Oct 08 22:07
AVRS2	Is that written by hAl?	Oct 08 22:07
AVRS2	*Has it been reworded by hAl?	Oct 08 22:08
AVRS2	Maybe I am too sleepy for it too look good to me. Good night.	Oct 08 22:08
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MinceR	gn	Oct 08 22:13
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schestowitz	AVGR: hAl is a Microsoft shill.	Oct 08 22:16
schestowitz	Amazing. Microsoft AstroTurfers rewrite history.	Oct 08 22:16
schestowitz	Thry still plague Wikipedia.	Oct 08 22:16
twitter	That would not surprise me. You should see how the APM and APCI articles have been mauled.	Oct 08 22:19
schestowitz	ACPI?	Oct 08 22:20
AlbertoP	who is the MS "spy"?	Oct 08 22:22
twitter	The wiki article is not so bad today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Con...	Oct 08 22:22
schestowitz	It uses something I put in Digg last year.	Oct 08 22:22
schestowitz	Either way, Microsoft was caught before offering money for non-employees to change articles.	Oct 08 22:23
twitter	I blogged about this here http://slashdot.org/~twit...	Oct 08 22:23
schestowitz	IOW, it's running a business around disinformation.	Oct 08 22:23
AlbertoP	cough	Oct 08 22:23
twitter	Perception management is the new term.	Oct 08 22:24
twitter	Lie is the old term.	Oct 08 22:24
schestowitz	You post got trolled by MS turfs.	Oct 08 22:24
twitter	Every post I make is trolled.	Oct 08 22:25
schestowitz	Or just some people who hate you enough to heckle, which I doubt	Oct 08 22:25
schestowitz	.So they try to pressure you out or insult you in public.	Oct 08 22:25
schestowitz	Typical Microsoft Munchkin tactic.	Oct 08 22:25
twitter	Notice the one that gloats about having censored me with mod bombing. Nice.	Oct 08 22:29
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schestowitz	HP and EDS kill nearly 3,500 UK jobs : http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.c...	Oct 08 22:29
schestowitz	Slashdot zoo. Just leave it, don't retaliate by abusing it like the Microsoft (and co.) Munchkins.	Oct 08 22:30
schestowitz	Oh noes. Look at this poll: http://www.abclinuxu.cz/blog/Ablog/2008/10/kont...	Oct 08 22:32
AlbertoP	well, considering the highly scientific terminology, it is surely reliable no?	Oct 08 22:36
schestowitz	:-)	Oct 08 22:37
schestowitz	It's bad and it's insulting.	Oct 08 22:37
AlbertoP	and I'm surely not a Miguel fanboy...	Oct 08 22:37
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schestowitz	http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mi... http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/10/investor...	Oct 08 22:38
schestowitz	IMG: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10060295-9...	Oct 08 22:50
AlbertoP	schestowitz, it's useless to look at stocks these days and hope in some + ^_^	Oct 08 22:51
AlbertoP	hopefully the dollar is improving a bit	Oct 08 22:53
AlbertoP	:P	Oct 08 22:53
schestowitz	http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/10/bad-news...	Oct 08 22:57
schestowitz	Yay! Copyrights: "Keene Valley resident Jerilea Zempel was detained at the U.S. border this summer because she had a drawing of a sport-utility vehicle in her sketchbook." http://www.pressrepublican.com/hom...	Oct 08 22:58
AlbertoP	LOL	Oct 08 23:01
AlbertoP	by direct experience, she had probably something more than a sketch ^^	Oct 08 23:01
AlbertoP	I've been travelling in US, and controls are serious but not so stupid	Oct 08 23:01
AlbertoP	but well, maybe the officer was not so smart either ^^	Oct 08 23:02
PetoKraus	lol!	Oct 08 23:10
AlbertoP	Hmm look at kde4-NM of the future http://www.kdedevelopers.org/files/im...	Oct 08 23:10
AlbertoP	looks a bit horrible to me	Oct 08 23:10
*PetoKraus np: Supertramp - Bloody Well Right (The Very Best of Supertramp)		Oct 08 23:11
PetoKraus	literally ^^	Oct 08 23:11
PetoKraus	stuffing capable	Oct 08 23:19
PetoKraus	man, great sticker. want one.	Oct 08 23:20
PetoKraus	or, a dozen!	Oct 08 23:20
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schestowitz	Looks OK to mke.	Oct 08 23:31
schestowitz	*me. It's a matter of taste	Oct 08 23:31
schestowitz	Beranger runs away to communism again.. :-S http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&a...	Oct 08 23:36
schestowitz	Hmmm... is LinuxToday stripping URLs now? http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.... http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_st...	Oct 08 23:41
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jose__	a discussion article about yahoo-microsoft http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/arti...	Oct 08 23:45
schestowitz	jose__: I'll repost my message.	Oct 08 23:45
schestowitz	Hmmm... is LinuxToday stripping URLs now? http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=... http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?lt...	Oct 08 23:45
schestowitz	Microsoft is buying stock and going into debt. I doubt they need Yahoo! at times like these.	Oct 08 23:46
jose__	Aol set mozilla into motion. I'm not sure what they could have in mind here.	Oct 08 23:46
schestowitz	There's turbulence shaking many companies ATM.	Oct 08 23:46
jose__	i hope not	Oct 08 23:46
schestowitz	jose__: If I embed links in LinuxToday as <a href="blah">blah</a>, should there be an issue?	Oct 08 23:47
jose__	i hope so.. that they leave yahoo alone.. i understand what you mean about diverting funds to their stock	Oct 08 23:47
jose__	i never embed links	Oct 08 23:47
jose__	i just post them out	Oct 08 23:47
schestowitz	I think it's the second time this happens.	Oct 08 23:47
jose__	since carla took over there was a change	Oct 08 23:47
schestowitz	The last time too I thought the Brian had removed them.	Oct 08 23:47
jose__	where urls now don't cause text to run off to the right behind the adds	Oct 08 23:48
schestowitz	ads. They probably have lots of MS ads.	Oct 08 23:48
schestowitz	It's hard to block them all (for an admin even). They come from many domains.	Oct 08 23:48
schestowitz	I think I should rethink how I read RSS.	Oct 08 23:48
schestowitz	Maybe you can offer advice.	Oct 08 23:49
jose__	i don't read rss	Oct 08 23:49
schestowitz	There's just so much repetitive junk.	Oct 08 23:49
jose__	blogs like this make life easier for me sheepish grin	Oct 08 23:49
schestowitz	I just want /news/, not discussions and 'columns' (like those Matt Hartley rambles).	Oct 08 23:49
schestowitz	There's also like 10 different article for each major piece of breaking news.	Oct 08 23:50
schestowitz	I waste too much time wading through cr*	Oct 08 23:50
schestowitz	Time for change.	Oct 08 23:50
schestowitz	I should also focus more on BN	Oct 08 23:50
schestowitz	It's driving like 20000+ pages today and is more important than some other things.	Oct 08 23:51
*PetoKraus has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))		Oct 08 23:52
schestowitz	I'll probbably start just 'cherry-picking' feeds and items instead of exhaustively exploring them (putting them on zero)	Oct 08 23:52
jose__	imagine an aol offer for yahoo at say $15 or a bit more but only after yahoo has dropped more..	Oct 08 23:55
jose__	this helps yahoo's management and those that accumulate shares at the future new prices.	Oct 08 23:55
jose__	mainstreet pays but yahoo ends up stronger down the line (within aol)	Oct 08 23:55
jose__	and ceo's and everyone else always make out with money.. and they avoid microsoft	Oct 08 23:56
jose__	nothing against yahoo since this process probably applies to many deals.. that's certainly what things have looked like recently	Oct 08 23:56
schestowitz	Microsoft pondered an AOL deal.	Oct 08 23:57
jose__	$15 or less (15 was for illustration purposes since at least it is below the 20-ish resistance point now crossed).. maybe even below 10 come to think of it but maybe not or nothing at all remotely like this will happen.	Oct 08 23:57
jose__	i worry about aol .. that's why i mentioned it	Oct 08 23:58
schestowitz	http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/busin... Microsoft shifts its search to AOL	Oct 08 23:58
jose__	they did buy out netscape and give mozilla 2 million	Oct 08 23:58
schestowitz	Google Gets 70% of U.S. Searches - http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...	Oct 08 23:58
schestowitz	"But Google's gain led to lower numbers for other search companies. Yahoo Inc. received 19.62% of U.S. searches in June, down from 21.31% last year, while MSN Search received 5.46%, down from 9.85% in June 2007."	Oct 08 23:58
jose__	the url is broken.. did you leave out something after the ending ".jp"	Oct 08 23:59
jose__	the first link above	Oct 08 23:59
jose__	wait	Oct 08 23:59

Comments

Dan O'Brian

2008-10-09 14:31:10

schestowitz I have 4 people who mod down all my comments and mod up the slander against me.

Wow, 4. And all this time you've been telling us that it's a major conspiracy over at Digg. 4!??? Seriously. 4????

Get over yourself.

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