| PetoKraus | i don't really seee a start button there | Nov 23 19:19 |
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| PetoKraus | or this one: http://en.wikipedia.or... | Nov 23 19:20 |
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| seller_ | Look | Nov 23 19:20 |
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| seller_ | Linux people do not create a API | Nov 23 19:20 |
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| trmanco | Kernel vulnerability found in Vista: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10106173-83... | Nov 23 19:20 |
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| seller_ | Every linux distro should in theory create a API like windows | Nov 23 19:21 |
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| trmanco | A flaw in Vista's networking has been found that can crash the system, but no fix is expected until the next service pack | Nov 23 19:21 |
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| PetoKraus | trmanco: nice | Nov 23 19:21 |
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| PetoKraus | seller_: well, yes, we can agree, yes | Nov 23 19:21 |
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| PetoKraus | that's what's freedesktop.org for | Nov 23 19:21 |
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| seller_ | where all the apps install without damage the API | Nov 23 19:21 |
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| trmanco | I forgot the quotes on my last sentence | Nov 23 19:21 |
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| PetoKraus | that's for example why E17 doesn't have tray support | Nov 23 19:21 |
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| PetoKraus | the specification is poor an unimplementable | Nov 23 19:22 |
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| PetoKraus | *and | Nov 23 19:22 |
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| seller_ | But the distros permits the apps remove the api | Nov 23 19:22 |
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| seller_ | The same way like PC-BSD | Nov 23 19:22 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Nov 23 19:23 |
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| seller_ | API should not changed because of ANY application | Nov 23 19:23 |
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| seller_ | but the linux people permits | Nov 23 19:23 |
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| neighborlee | too bad their installer is so awkward ( pcbsd) ( partitioning anyway) | Nov 23 19:23 |
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| seller_ | I can install some app , but the app insists to install a new verision of X | Nov 23 19:23 |
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| seller_ | THIS IS WRONG! | Nov 23 19:24 |
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| seller_ | X is a part of API and never can be altered without prior authorization of distro developers | Nov 23 19:24 |
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| PetoKraus | evolving api's is signature of FOSS project | Nov 23 19:24 |
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| PetoKraus | that's why you have versioning... | Nov 23 19:24 |
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| PetoKraus | even .NET is not compatible troughout versions | Nov 23 19:25 |
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| PetoKraus | so i don't really understand what are you talking about | Nov 23 19:25 |
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| seller_ | The apps should not to update or change the api | Nov 23 19:26 |
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| seller_ | API only can changed with user permission | Nov 23 19:26 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't think you understand what's an api | Nov 23 19:26 |
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| seller_ | Because API changes modify the System completely | Nov 23 19:26 |
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| seller_ | API is a set of System software (X, kernel, coreutils and glibc for example) | Nov 23 19:27 |
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| PetoKraus | not really | Nov 23 19:28 |
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| PetoKraus | "A set of functions that can be called from an application program to access features of another program." | Nov 23 19:28 |
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| seller_ | I know about this concept | Nov 23 19:29 |
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| seller_ | But What I'm saying is | Nov 23 19:29 |
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| PetoKraus | that api's should be consistent? | Nov 23 19:29 |
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| PetoKraus | well, doh, yes, they should... but it's hard to do it, when most packages are moving target | Nov 23 19:30 |
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| seller_ | Every distro developer should mantains a set of Software | Nov 23 19:30 |
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| seller_ | and this set can not modified because of some app | Nov 23 19:30 |
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| PetoKraus | well, in proper distributions it's not | Nov 23 19:30 |
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| PetoKraus | such as debian stable | Nov 23 19:30 |
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| seller_ | Debian stable | Nov 23 19:31 |
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| PetoKraus | which results in archaic packages.... | Nov 23 19:31 |
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| seller_ | does not use A api | Nov 23 19:31 |
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| PetoKraus | alright, stop this faggotry | Nov 23 19:31 |
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| seller_ | Every app which the user install can modify the kernel and other packages | Nov 23 19:31 |
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| PetoKraus | i am not the right person to educate people in software development | Nov 23 19:31 |
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| PetoKraus | seller_: are you using ubuntu? | Nov 23 19:31 |
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| seller_ | No, at moment I'm using the windowz and Mibbit | Nov 23 19:32 |
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| seller_ | But in my machine I'm using Kubuntu 8.10 | Nov 23 19:32 |
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| PetoKraus | i wanted to meet some of the people responsible for brainstorm's quality | Nov 23 19:32 |
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| PetoKraus | i guess I just found one | Nov 23 19:32 |
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| PetoKraus | it's almost like "remove grub delay - make user press f8 like on windows!!!" | Nov 23 19:33 |
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| seller_ | But look Peter I'm not a troll | Nov 23 19:33 |
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| PetoKraus | well, i still doubt it | Nov 23 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | you should consider your career in trolling | Nov 23 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | seriously, you'd be good at it | Nov 23 19:34 |
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| seller_ | Why | Nov 23 19:34 |
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| seller_ | But look | Nov 23 19:34 |
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| seller_ | To conquer Stupid people which uses windowz | Nov 23 19:35 |
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| seller_ | we must try to simulate windowz and crApple mac os | Nov 23 19:35 |
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| seller_ | Did you understand my API approach? | Nov 23 19:36 |
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| PetoKraus | 1) mac os is almost perfect OS in terms of stability, usability etc. The moment they opensource it, I am moving. 2) The point is, after a year I realised i shouldn't be an evangelist. I know stallman is right, I know there are people, who don't see why I am not using opera just because it's closed source. | Nov 23 19:36 |
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| seller_ | But did you understand my API Approach? | Nov 23 19:37 |
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| PetoKraus | 3) you don't need to conquer. that kind of nullifies the principle of choice | Nov 23 19:37 |
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| seller_ | yes we need | Nov 23 19:37 |
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| seller_ | of course | Nov 23 19:37 |
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| PetoKraus | since you obviously don't know what's an API, no. sorry. | Nov 23 19:37 |
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| seller_ | not forcing people | Nov 23 19:37 |
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| seller_ | but forcing us to forcing people | Nov 23 19:38 |
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| seller_ | Look , my idea is not the same concept of "Application programming interface" | Nov 23 19:38 |
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| PetoKraus | well, then don't redefine the language, please. | Nov 23 19:38 |
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| seller_ | my idea is about to maintain "sealed packages" | Nov 23 19:38 |
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| PetoKraus | such as debian stable? | Nov 23 19:39 |
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| seller_ | these sealed packages should not be changed because of apps | Nov 23 19:39 |
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| seller_ | no | Nov 23 19:39 |
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| seller_ | debian stable | Nov 23 19:39 |
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| seller_ | does not use this idea | Nov 23 19:39 |
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| PetoKraus | how | Nov 23 19:39 |
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| seller_ | Debian permits to change every package used | Nov 23 19:39 |
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| PetoKraus | it's packages are thoroughly consistent. The chance something breaks when you isntall it from their repo is almost 0% | Nov 23 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | well obviously... it's free software | Nov 23 19:40 |
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| *PetoKraus np: Pink Floyd - Careful With That Axe, Eugene (Ummagumma - Live Album) | Nov 23 19:40 |
| seller_ | Ever the user installs a simple package , the system can download a lot of | Nov 23 19:40 |
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| seller_ | dependencies and removes a lot of packages | Nov 23 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | and? | Nov 23 19:41 |
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| seller_ | The app CANNOT change any "sealed packages" | Nov 23 19:41 |
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| PetoKraus | why, if it conflicts.... | Nov 23 19:41 |
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| PetoKraus | what would you want it to do? | Nov 23 19:42 |
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| seller_ | Multislot | Nov 23 19:42 |
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| seller_ | Install the two versions of same package | Nov 23 19:42 |
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| seller_ | for example | Nov 23 19:42 |
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| seller_ | read | Nov 23 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | well, that doesn't happen on debian stable | Nov 23 19:42 |
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| seller_ | beranger about linux mint | Nov 23 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | since all packages are built againist the same thing | Nov 23 19:42 |
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| seller_ | Beranger is very angry because linux mint does not have a repo to reverse the changes caused by apps | Nov 23 19:43 |
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| PetoKraus | you could use gentoo, where you have multislot, only for the packages that require it | Nov 23 19:43 |
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| PetoKraus | well, but Beranger is not your average user | Nov 23 19:44 |
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| seller_ | But gentoo uses a lot of Command line and does not have a Hardware Manager | Nov 23 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | aha | Nov 23 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | well, tough luck | Nov 23 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | linux is definitely not for you then. | Nov 23 19:44 |
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| seller_ | I Like Linux and other free OSes | Nov 23 19:44 |
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| seller_ | Look , if Linux mint | Nov 23 19:44 |
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| seller_ | block the system packages | Nov 23 19:45 |
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| seller_ | the app can change the "sealed (or blocked packges)" | Nov 23 19:45 |
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| seller_ | but Linux Mint permits | Nov 23 19:45 |
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| seller_ | and then ,Linux Mint Lost all configuration | Nov 23 19:45 |
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| seller_ | For example | Nov 23 19:46 |
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| seller_ | I will create my distro | Nov 23 19:46 |
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| seller_ | Lunarix | Nov 23 19:46 |
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| seller_ | And I will "seal" kde, X,coreutils,linux ,X ,Mesa, | Nov 23 19:47 |
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| seller_ | And then no app will try to install a new version or remove these sealed packeges | Nov 23 19:47 |
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| seller_ | The app can add or deleted but my system will be always the same | Nov 23 19:47 |
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| PetoKraus | which brings me again to the point of debian stable | Nov 23 19:48 |
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| PetoKraus | which EXACTLY does that | Nov 23 19:48 |
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| seller_ | I cannot say this about ubuntu where the user removes mono and lost everthing | Nov 23 19:48 |
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| seller_ | True ? Debian | Nov 23 19:49 |
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| seller_ | Tell me the sealed packages of Debian | Nov 23 19:49 |
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| PetoKraus | well you are not able to install anything which will force upgrade of your packages | Nov 23 19:49 |
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| PetoKraus | since it's not in the repo | Nov 23 19:49 |
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| PetoKraus | everything is build againist the same toolchain in one release... | Nov 23 19:50 |
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| PetoKraus | and obviously, if you try to uninstall core package, the system would cease to work, but duh, why would you do that in the first place | Nov 23 19:50 |
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| seller_ | Please ,tell me the list of sealed packages | Nov 23 19:51 |
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| PetoKraus | http://packages.debian.or... | Nov 23 19:52 |
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| PetoKraus | that's your discrete environment | Nov 23 19:52 |
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| PetoKraus | you can't install anything newer, anything older, since it's not in the repo | Nov 23 19:52 |
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| seller_ | This is wrong | Nov 23 19:52 |
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| PetoKraus | you are guaranteed, that the packages in the repo will not require update of other packages | Nov 23 19:52 |
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| seller_ | You do not understand | Nov 23 19:52 |
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| PetoKraus | if you are asking me to show you the list of packages you can't delete from the system | Nov 23 19:53 |
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| seller_ | For example ,The debian people uses only one cd | Nov 23 19:53 |
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| PetoKraus | there is not such a thing. There are few people with warnings... | Nov 23 19:53 |
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| PetoKraus | and you are able to delete anything even on your Windows XP | Nov 23 19:53 |
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| PetoKraus | and it'll break your system in both cases | Nov 23 19:53 |
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| PetoKraus | but that's not the problem of developers... | Nov 23 19:54 |
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| PetoKraus | PEBKAC. | Nov 23 19:54 |
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| seller_ | I can remove VLC ,and Azureus and does happen nothing to windows | Nov 23 19:55 |
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| seller_ | Because in Windows ,there are a separation in what is of "windows" (sealed) | Nov 23 19:55 |
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| seller_ | and what is not of part of windows | Nov 23 19:55 |
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| PetoKraus | well you can delete your system32 folder from big part | Nov 23 19:56 |
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| seller_ | Every app installed in windowz ,will not remove shell32 | Nov 23 19:56 |
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| seller_ | And every app will not update the shell32 | Nov 23 19:56 |
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| PetoKraus | well, no app on debian stable will remove gcc... | Nov 23 19:56 |
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| trmanco | can anybody post some links of news showing that MS is holding back IPv6? | Nov 23 19:56 |
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| PetoKraus | trmanco: isn't vista enough? :P | Nov 23 19:56 |
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| trmanco | just need some proof | Nov 23 19:57 |
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| seller_ | But It' can try to update | Nov 23 19:57 |
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| trmanco | of news saying that windows is really holdin it back | Nov 23 19:57 |
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| seller_ | If app needs a new version of gcc ,the app must install a version in another slot | Nov 23 19:57 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/060707-micr... | Nov 23 19:58 |
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| PetoKraus | seller_: well, gentoo? | Nov 23 19:58 |
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| seller_ | Gentoo ,tries to update some apps too | Nov 23 19:58 |
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| trmanco | PetoKraus, thanks | Nov 23 19:58 |
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| trmanco | got anymore? | Nov 23 19:58 |
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| PetoKraus | trmanco: looking around in google | Nov 23 19:58 |
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| trmanco | okok | Nov 23 19:59 |
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| trmanco | I am too | new.google.com | Nov 23 19:59 |
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| trmanco | news* | Nov 23 19:59 |
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| seller_ | Tries to update kernel, glibc ,and cause API break | Nov 23 19:59 |
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| PetoKraus | seller_: not really | Nov 23 19:59 |
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| PetoKraus | and if it does, you just run revdep-rebuild which checks your linking and you're set. | Nov 23 20:00 |
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| PetoKraus | trmanco: http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorial... | Nov 23 20:00 |
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| PetoKraus | the 4th paragraph | Nov 23 20:00 |
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| trmanco | found this | Nov 23 20:00 |
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| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/alt.winsock.... | Nov 23 20:00 |
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| seller_ | No ,this is not the same | Nov 23 20:01 |
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| seller_ | Packages is very stupid model of installation | Nov 23 20:01 |
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| trmanco | PetoKraus, thanks | Nov 23 20:01 |
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| trmanco | got enough info | Nov 23 20:01 |
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| PetoKraus | seller_: why? | Nov 23 20:01 |
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| seller_ | Because | Nov 23 20:02 |
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| seller_ | Package is a stupid name for software | Nov 23 20:02 |
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| seller_ | and | Nov 23 20:02 |
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| seller_ | is very minimal unit of software | Nov 23 20:02 |
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| PetoKraus | sorry? | Nov 23 20:03 |
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| seller_ | It's the same of a simple DLL | Nov 23 20:03 |
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| seller_ | What a DLL means for the user? | Nov 23 20:03 |
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| seller_ | Yes , nothin | Nov 23 20:03 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd say, problems | Nov 23 20:03 |
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| seller_ | Application is a real unit of significance for user | Nov 23 20:03 |
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| *_doug has quit () | Nov 23 20:03 |
| seller_ | A Application is a set of packages | Nov 23 20:03 |
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| PetoKraus | and? | Nov 23 20:04 |
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| seller_ | The installation of apps must be installed using set of packages | Nov 23 20:04 |
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| PetoKraus | well yes, since every package provides you with an app... | Nov 23 20:04 |
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| PetoKraus | roughly. | Nov 23 20:04 |
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| seller_ | no | Nov 23 20:05 |
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| seller_ | An package provides a dependence for the app | Nov 23 20:05 |
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| seller_ | It's not the app | Nov 23 20:05 |
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| PetoKraus | which is most of the time just another app | Nov 23 20:05 |
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| seller_ | IBut there 's not a significance for the user | Nov 23 20:05 |
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| PetoKraus | well, it depends | Nov 23 20:05 |
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| seller_ | 'It's only a DLL for the app work" | Nov 23 20:05 |
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| PetoKraus | python is significant for me | Nov 23 20:05 |
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| PetoKraus | and it's pulled is as an dependency of.... craploads of packages | Nov 23 20:06 |
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| seller_ | No,for the user is not | Nov 23 20:06 |
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| seller_ | Example | Nov 23 20:07 |
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| PetoKraus | haha | Nov 23 20:07 |
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| PetoKraus | you wanna argue that i am not a user? | Nov 23 20:07 |
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| seller_ | Elisa is significant for the user | Nov 23 20:07 |
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| seller_ | But Python is not | Nov 23 20:07 |
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| PetoKraus | well okay, but for some users python IS significant | Nov 23 20:07 |
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| seller_ | And then Elise must packaged with Python | Nov 23 20:07 |
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| PetoKraus | why? | Nov 23 20:07 |
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| Eruaran | Caused enough problems for an astroturfer on youtube for him to block my comments. | Nov 23 20:08 |
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| Eruaran | What a loser. | Nov 23 20:08 |
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| PetoKraus | Eruaran: hehe | Nov 23 20:08 |
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| seller_ | Example | Nov 23 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | seller_: buy a PC with Linux-compatible h/w. What do you do when some h/w has no Windows drivers? Or is it just not stocked in shops? Some problem. | Nov 23 20:08 |
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| seller_ | The user wants Elisa | Nov 23 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: seller_ is not a troll. | Nov 23 20:09 |
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| PetoKraus | well i don't care about users who want elisa | Nov 23 20:09 |
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| *schestowitz catches up (back from the gym) | Nov 23 20:09 |
| PetoKraus | i care about myself, and i need python | Nov 23 20:09 |
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| seller_ | But Why the hell the user needs to worry to fetch Python | Nov 23 20:09 |
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| Eruaran | Have a look: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=M8AqXaNr8ag | Nov 23 20:09 |
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| PetoKraus | well he doesn't | Nov 23 20:09 |
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| Eruaran | Keruaran is me | Nov 23 20:09 |
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| seller_ | Windowz is the same manner | Nov 23 20:09 |
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| PetoKraus | the package manager does the same | Nov 23 20:09 |
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| PetoKraus | *it for you | Nov 23 20:09 |
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| Eruaran | I can't comment on his channel now cause I'm blocked | Nov 23 20:09 |
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| Eruaran | Caused him too much embarrasment | Nov 23 20:10 |
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| seller_ | no | Nov 23 20:10 |
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| seller_ | Look | Nov 23 20:10 |
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| PetoKraus | i get no sound... | Nov 23 20:10 |
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| PetoKraus | is it normal? | Nov 23 20:10 |
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| seller_ | Amsn uses my idea for example | Nov 23 20:10 |
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| Eruaran | He'll probably delete my comments soon | Nov 23 20:10 |
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| seller_ | Amsn windowz installer is bundled with Tcl/Tk and everything | Nov 23 20:11 |
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| PetoKraus | well obviously yes | Nov 23 20:11 |
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| PetoKraus | but linux is not windows | Nov 23 20:11 |
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| seller_ | Because the user only wants the amsn ,and do not worry about Tcl/Tk | Nov 23 20:11 |
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| Eruaran | Look at his most recent comment - he blocked me and then he posted that... | Nov 23 20:11 |
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| seller_ | But packaging system is very stupid | Nov 23 20:11 |
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| seller_ | Because is very minimal | Nov 23 20:11 |
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| MinceR | seller_: i'm sure it's very efficient to make bloated installers because a system doesn't have a proper package manager to handle dependencies | Nov 23 20:11 |
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| seller_ | Is only handy for prefessionals worried about security | Nov 23 20:12 |
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| MinceR | seller_: and that isn't even addressing the case when a newer tcl/tk version should be installed in the first place | Nov 23 20:12 |
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| MinceR | (because of a security issue or another bug) | Nov 23 20:12 |
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| Eruaran | This guy tried to claim that Microsoft came up with desktop search and that it was Apple that copied Microsoft | Nov 23 20:12 |
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| seller_ | Because windows | Nov 23 20:12 |
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| seller_ | does not worry about Third-party packages | Nov 23 20:12 |
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| trmanco | Eruaran, don't feed him | Nov 23 20:12 |
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| MinceR | seller_: windows doesn't have a sane way to manage packages | Nov 23 20:13 |
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| Eruaran | trmanco: he was getting owned | Nov 23 20:13 |
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| Eruaran | trmanco: so he blocked me | Nov 23 20:13 |
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| trmanco | Eruaran, the majority of the trolls get owned | Nov 23 20:13 |
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| seller_ | If Tcl/Tk is already installed , windows does not worry about | Nov 23 20:13 |
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| Eruaran | :P | Nov 23 20:13 |
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| MinceR | seller_: yet you want to download it and store it along with the actual app anyway | Nov 23 20:13 |
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| trmanco | yes, they have childish acts | Nov 23 20:13 |
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| seller_ | The installer tries to install another version of Tcl/Tk using multislot technolgy | Nov 23 20:14 |
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| MinceR | lol, multislot technology | Nov 23 20:14 |
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| PetoKraus | it's not "multislot technology" | Nov 23 20:14 |
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| PetoKraus | it's "let's overwrite whatever is there" | Nov 23 20:14 |
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| seller_ | Ubuntu uses a stupid inteligent manner called meta-packages | Nov 23 20:14 |
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| PetoKraus | and hope we are not gonna break it... or why hope, just DIF! | Nov 23 20:14 |
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| trmanco | Eruaran, you got lucky, I already got an unknown disease, one that I can't evaluate MS products decently | Nov 23 20:14 |
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| trmanco | A troll said this to me when he was getting owned | Nov 23 20:15 |
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| seller_ | Windows does not worry about this | Nov 23 20:15 |
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| seller_ | Thirdy parties need to worry about this | Nov 23 20:15 |
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| seller_ | The installer can overwrite or not | Nov 23 20:15 |
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| seller_ | But This is not problem for M$ ,only for Third-party | Nov 23 20:16 |
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| PetoKraus | doh, the interface is completely unusable | Nov 23 20:16 |
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| PetoKraus | Eruaran: ^ | Nov 23 20:16 |
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| PetoKraus | how about a PC without a MOUSE, BITCH?! | Nov 23 20:16 |
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| seller_ | Packaging System is stupid ,because tries to fetch a dumb package paranoid list | Nov 23 20:17 |
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| PetoKraus | right | Nov 23 20:17 |
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| seller_ | Gentoo for example ,fetch 100 Mb! of text | Nov 23 20:17 |
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| Eruaran | It got to the point where I was taunting him with "Whats next, MS touting mount points as an innovation ?" | Nov 23 20:17 |
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| PetoKraus | right | Nov 23 20:18 |
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| trmanco | lol | Nov 23 20:18 |
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| seller_ | The windowz and PC-BSD system uses a independen manner to install apps | Nov 23 20:18 |
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| seller_ | (not packages) | Nov 23 20:18 |
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| seller_ | There's not a need of package list | Nov 23 20:18 |
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| seller_ | and Hiper paranoid trusted servers | Nov 23 20:18 |
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| Eruaran | I just think that if the guy has to block me and then beat his chest some more about how great Windows 7 is, with the same kind of hubris Microsoft demonstrated back in 2003 where they said Vista would put them "four years" ahead of any other platform... He's a MS flunky. | Nov 23 20:19 |
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| seller_ | Did you understand? | Nov 23 20:20 |
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| PetoKraus | i have complete control about order of the icons in the taskbar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!lim[x->0]sinx/x | Nov 23 20:20 |
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| PetoKraus | what the FUCK | Nov 23 20:20 |
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| PetoKraus | the ignore is broken | Nov 23 20:20 |
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| Eruaran | lol | Nov 23 20:21 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm "all your windows7 pc's are automatically searching one another and sharing printers" | Nov 23 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient... | Nov 23 20:22 |
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| PetoKraus | doesn't sound like security hole like... AT ALL! | Nov 23 20:23 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, thanks | Nov 23 20:23 |
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| PetoKraus | default sharing, WTF? | Nov 23 20:23 |
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| PetoKraus | did she have a license to play that music for commercial use? | Nov 23 20:24 |
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| PetoKraus | doh, networked playback, OLD | Nov 23 20:25 |
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| PetoKraus | pulseaudio ripoff, at least | Nov 23 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Nov 23 20:26 |
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| PetoKraus | Eruaran: you made my day, you know? | Nov 23 20:26 |
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| Eruaran | Really ? | Nov 23 20:27 |
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| PetoKraus | it's almost as funny as dr. Pugh or how was he called | Nov 23 20:27 |
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| PetoKraus | bashing BBC | Nov 23 20:27 |
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| Eruaran | hehe | Nov 23 20:27 |
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| Eruaran | That clip he put up was hilarious | Nov 23 20:28 |
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| Eruaran | And sad | Nov 23 20:28 |
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| PetoKraus | he put it up himself? | Nov 23 20:28 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 23 20:28 |
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| Eruaran | Windows 7 clips from PDC is all his channel has on it | Nov 23 20:28 |
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| Eruaran | At one point in the clip, a guy puts a couple of 'gadgets' on the desktop and says, "you can put gadgets anywhere on the desktop now"... and the audience claps... | Nov 23 20:29 |
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| Eruaran | erm | Nov 23 20:29 |
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| Eruaran | I was like... o_0 | Nov 23 20:29 |
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| trmanco | looool | Nov 23 20:29 |
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| Eruaran | And I'm thinking.... uhmm shouldnt they be laughing ? | Nov 23 20:30 |
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| trmanco | who was the genius who created those innovating gadgets? O.o | Nov 23 20:30 |
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| PetoKraus | i dunno. they are mostly useless | Nov 23 20:30 |
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| trmanco | I sort of like gadgets to see the cpu usage and ram usage | Nov 23 20:31 |
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| Eruaran | I got the Windows 7 wallpaper they were using at PDC and changed my Plasma theme to Glassified and sent a friend a screenshot | Nov 23 20:31 |
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| trmanco | but they are a little ram hungry, só I just use those gnome applets | Nov 23 20:31 |
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| Eruaran | He's like, "YOU HAVE WINDOWS 7 ???" | Nov 23 20:31 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Nov 23 20:31 |
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| trmanco | yet again, who was the innovating genius who created that start menu on se7en? | Nov 23 20:32 |
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| MinceR | oh, i get it | Nov 23 20:32 |
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| MinceR | seller_ calls everything he doesn't understand "stupid" | Nov 23 20:33 |
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| seller_ | Me? Why? | Nov 23 20:33 |
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| MinceR | i don't know | Nov 23 20:34 |
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| MinceR | perhaps it's a badly thought out troll tactic | Nov 23 20:34 |
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| seller_ | Are you crazy?I'm not a troll | Nov 23 20:34 |
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| seller_ | Linux need to grow and conquer the society | Nov 23 20:35 |
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| MinceR | and if you had your way, linux would attempt that by imitating windows | Nov 23 20:35 |
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| seller_ | Packaging system and lack of GUI administrative tools (like hardware manager) | Nov 23 20:35 |
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| seller_ | is very | Nov 23 20:35 |
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| seller_ | Stupid | Nov 23 20:35 |
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| MinceR | and you have yet to support that claim | Nov 23 20:35 |
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| seller_ | No! | Nov 23 20:36 |
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| Eruaran | Package management ? | Nov 23 20:36 |
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| Eruaran | Deb or RPM ? | Nov 23 20:36 |
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| Eruaran | Or ports ? | Nov 23 20:36 |
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| seller_ | Windows have some good design techiniques | Nov 23 20:36 |
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| seller_ | But it's not cloning windows | Nov 23 20:36 |
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| MinceR | seller_: if you want another windows, go to the reactos guys -- they're trying to do just that | Nov 23 20:36 |
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| seller_ | but use some techiniques | Nov 23 20:36 |
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| Eruaran | Why ? | Nov 23 20:36 |
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| MinceR | no, windows is a heap of design flaws implemented badly | Nov 23 20:36 |
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| seller_ | I'm using rectos in Virtual Box | Nov 23 20:36 |
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| seller_ | No | Nov 23 20:37 |
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| seller_ | Look at | Nov 23 20:37 |
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| seller_ | React Os HomePage | Nov 23 20:37 |
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| MinceR | seller_: here's a tip: you can put more than 3 words on a row | Nov 23 20:37 |
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| Eruaran | I'm an APT man myself | Nov 23 20:37 |
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| seller_ | Security flaws is acceptabble | Nov 23 20:37 |
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| Eruaran | uhmm | Nov 23 20:37 |
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| MinceR | no, they aren't | Nov 23 20:37 |
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| Eruaran | certainly not | Nov 23 20:37 |
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| seller_ | but M$ invests a lot of Design of user Interface | Nov 23 20:37 |
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| MinceR | and another tip: "No" on a line by itself isn't going to convince anyone | Nov 23 20:37 |
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| MinceR | they're doing it wrong | Nov 23 20:38 |
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| MinceR | crApple is doing the same, by the way | Nov 23 20:38 |
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| Eruaran | What good is a pretty interface if you're getting viruses and spyware on a regular basis ? | Nov 23 20:38 |
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| MinceR | if only it was pretty | Nov 23 20:38 |
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| seller_ | Security flaws | Nov 23 20:38 |
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| Eruaran | heh | Nov 23 20:38 |
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| seller_ | Not Design Flaws | Nov 23 20:38 |
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| twitter | Here's a billboard I saw the other day, http://bayimg.com/MajnmAabl | Nov 23 20:39 |
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| twitter | Not that I'd do what that man says. | Nov 23 20:39 |
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| MinceR | ok, is there anyone around who isn't tired of seller_'s trolling? | Nov 23 20:39 |
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| MinceR | twitter: lol | Nov 23 20:39 |
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| seller_ | I'm not a troll | Nov 23 20:39 |
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| MinceR | twitter: did he really say that? when? | Nov 23 20:39 |
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| Eruaran | lol | Nov 23 20:39 |
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| Eruaran | gtg | Nov 23 20:39 |
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| twitter | no, he did not say that. He did let Sweaty B and friends make Vista though. | Nov 23 20:40 |
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| MinceR | there's a point :> | Nov 23 20:40 |
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| seller_ | I like GNU Linux | Nov 23 20:40 |
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| seller_ | http://www.reactos.org/en/about.html | Nov 23 20:40 |
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| seller_ | Packages are stupid ,lack of GUI and fron-backend are stupid | Nov 23 20:41 |
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| seller_ | Only this | Nov 23 20:41 |
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| seller_ | But Freedom is very good and optimization too | Nov 23 20:41 |
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| seller_ | Follow my tips and Linux will grow | Nov 23 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | seller_: what's the matter with you today? | Nov 23 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | Will the real seller/liar stand up? | Nov 23 20:47 |
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| seller_ | Sorry Roy ,but I like to see Linux Growing | Nov 23 20:47 |
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| seller_ | And I have used a lot of distros | Nov 23 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | Where is the old seller and what did you do to him? | Nov 23 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | You know Oh!-solaris and bsd too, but... | Nov 23 20:48 |
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| seller_ | There key problems in Linux | Nov 23 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | I disagree with many of the things you wrote (I just caught up) | Nov 23 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | Many are not supported by good evidence. | Nov 23 20:48 |
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| seller_ | But I Like Linux and freedoom | Nov 23 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | Reminds me of Beranger/LunixH4t3r | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| seller_ | Yes I know , but have some sense | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | You harm Linux and freedom if you say they should be like Windows. | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: apparently he thinks linux can grow by copying the design flaws of windows | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| seller_ | No! | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | EVEN MICROSOFT gives up on Windows. | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Even Microsoft... | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| MinceR | even though we already have a project that does that | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Don't believe me? | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| seller_ | It's my mistake | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| MinceR | it's called reactos | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | I'lll give refs | Nov 23 20:49 |
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| seller_ | I will not say to copy windows | Nov 23 20:50 |
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| MinceR | you already have | Nov 23 20:50 |
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| seller_ | I Was trying to say is the windows have some good ideas , | Nov 23 20:50 |
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| seller_ | But Never Linux to be a copy of windows | Nov 23 20:50 |
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| MinceR | it might, but the ideas you've listed so far were design flaws | Nov 23 20:50 |
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| seller_ | Lack of Hardware Manager is a design flaw | Nov 23 20:51 |
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| MinceR | until proven otherwise, i will think and say that windows has no good ideas that most OS-es don't already have | Nov 23 20:51 |
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| MinceR | seller_: what is this "Hardware Manager" supposed to do? | Nov 23 20:51 |
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| seller_ | Install device drivers | Nov 23 20:52 |
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| seller_ | Using a user friendly Graphical user Interface | Nov 23 20:52 |
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| MinceR | installing drivers are handled by the package manager already | Nov 23 20:52 |
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| MinceR | and most of them come with the kernel | Nov 23 20:52 |
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| seller_ | This is the problem | Nov 23 20:52 |
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| seller_ | Linux kernel is not perfect | Nov 23 20:53 |
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| MinceR | (all of them should, but some hardware vendors are too stupid to let this happen) | Nov 23 20:53 |
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| seller_ | sometimes it fails | Nov 23 20:53 |
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| MinceR | seller_: so the problem is that you don't understand package managers and are unwilling to learn about them | Nov 23 20:53 |
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| trmanco | brb | Nov 23 20:53 |
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| seller_ | And the user must see install software using a good interface and in a indepdente | Nov 23 20:53 |
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| seller_ | manner | Nov 23 20:53 |
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| MinceR | been there, done that | Nov 23 20:54 |
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| MinceR | seller_: have you even used a gnu/linux system? | Nov 23 20:54 |
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| seller_ | Yes, why? | Nov 23 20:54 |
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| MinceR | you speak as though you haven't | Nov 23 20:54 |
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| seller_ | Package management is not a good way to install drivers | Nov 23 20:55 |
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| MinceR | arguments, please | Nov 23 20:55 |
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| MinceR | facts, please | Nov 23 20:55 |
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| twitter | my computer loves me with all it's heart and soul. | Nov 23 20:55 |
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| twitter | Laughing at Windows 7 | Nov 23 20:55 |
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| MinceR | my computer has no heart nor soul | Nov 23 20:55 |
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| seller_ | Drivers muyst be installed through a independent manner | Nov 23 20:56 |
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| twitter | Really inadequate window management. Better but still single screen suckage | Nov 23 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | seller_: YaST is a h/w manager | Nov 23 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva has one too | Nov 23 20:56 |
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| seller_ | Using CDs for example | Nov 23 20:56 |
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| MinceR | seller_: why? | Nov 23 20:56 |
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| seller_ | Package is a very dark manner to install packages | Nov 23 20:56 |
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| MinceR | seller_: also, most package managers can already install from cds | Nov 23 20:56 |
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| MinceR | dark, lol | Nov 23 20:56 |
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| MinceR | seller_: so, are you going to keep repeating this now? | Nov 23 20:57 |
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| seller_ | No | Nov 23 20:57 |
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| seller_ | What I'm Try to say is | Nov 23 20:57 |
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| MinceR | i've seen that line before | Nov 23 20:57 |
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| seller_ | necessary to create good wizards and Guis for administrative tasks | Nov 23 20:57 |
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| seller_ | And nothing based in Frontend technologies | Nov 23 20:58 |
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| MinceR | you're getting less coherent | Nov 23 20:58 |
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| MinceR | oh, well | Nov 23 20:58 |
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| *MinceR gives up on this troll | Nov 23 20:58 |
| seller_ | Hardware Manager, A Wizard for install networks in a simple manner | Nov 23 20:59 |
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| twitter | Amazing admission at PDC, "no one, except a few people inside this room" has ever been able to make home networking work. It's true but, OMG. | Nov 23 20:59 |
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| twitter | Oh noes, "I can look at her music" with Windows 7. | Nov 23 21:00 |
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| twitter | Windows remembers where the content is on your network so you don't have to .... oh my. | Nov 23 21:00 |
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| MinceR | lol | Nov 23 21:01 |
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| twitter | "Send your media all over your house" | Nov 23 21:01 |
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| seller_ | The userland of Linux is very good | Nov 23 21:01 |
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| seller_ | But install drivers and other administrative tasks is very hard | Nov 23 21:02 |
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| twitter | That's only because device makers have been so uncooperative. Free software drivers install themselves once they are written. | Nov 23 21:03 |
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| seller_ | Userland = 10! | Nov 23 21:03 |
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| seller_ | Administration = 2 | Nov 23 21:03 |
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| twitter | eh? | Nov 23 21:03 |
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| trmanco | back | Nov 23 21:03 |
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| MinceR | he isn't making any sense, is he? | Nov 23 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | socialism, DOW below $3K, and other interesting predictions < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/11/22/54627 > | Nov 23 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | " The prediction is made by a hedge fund manager who is up 40% over the past year. How? He saw stuff coming and went long no bonds. ("I look like a genius at the moment!") He also predicts an 80% decline in stocks. He predicts a 4-5% GDP drop next year. " | Nov 23 21:04 |
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| seller_ | Userland insterface (KDE ,Gnome ) is perfect | Nov 23 21:04 |
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| seller_ | Administration (configure networking,install drivers ,) , hard | Nov 23 21:05 |
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| twitter | I am perfect. | Nov 23 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | No, seller_ , it's great | Nov 23 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | KDE makes it very simple. | Nov 23 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | seller_: did yoy use LFS or Arch? | Nov 23 21:05 |
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| MinceR | i don't think he has used either | Nov 23 21:06 |
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| seller_ | I used ,gentoo | Nov 23 21:06 |
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| seller_ | My networking is very annoying | Nov 23 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | me@charlie rose < http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/me... > | Nov 23 21:06 |
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| seller_ | Always I have to activate using Dhcpcd | Nov 23 21:06 |
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| trmanco | seller_, o que é que te aconteceu? Para estares assim hoje? | Nov 23 21:06 |
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| seller_ | Attansic L2 | Nov 23 21:07 |
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| seller_ | trmanco: nada ,são só observações inofensivas depois de algum tempo usando luinux | Nov 23 21:07 |
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| seller_ | trmanco: não foi nada ofensivo | Nov 23 21:07 |
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| MinceR | oh, you've started with gentoo despite being warned that it isn't for beginners and now you're butthurt at gnu/linux because of your own stupidity? | Nov 23 21:07 |
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| twitter | KDE and Gnome's little root password dialog is a good mechanism. | Nov 23 21:07 |
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| seller_ | No! | Nov 23 21:07 |
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| seller_ | MinceR: I have started using Ubuntu | Nov 23 21:08 |
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| twitter | Congratulations. | Nov 23 21:08 |
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| twitter | have you had a problem we can help you with? | Nov 23 21:08 |
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| MinceR | well, does networking work in ubuntu? yes it does. | Nov 23 21:08 |
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| MinceR | does hardware configuration work in ubuntu? yes it does. | Nov 23 21:08 |
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| seller_ | If fails | Nov 23 21:08 |
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| MinceR | does installing drivers work in ubuntu? yes it does | Nov 23 21:08 |
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| seller_ | What the user do? | Nov 23 21:08 |
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| MinceR | What me worry? | Nov 23 21:09 |
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| twitter | What fails? | Nov 23 21:09 |
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| trmanco | X fails sometimes | Nov 23 21:09 |
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| twitter | seller_ failed. | Nov 23 21:09 |
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| trmanco | but it is easy to get it back | Nov 23 21:09 |
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| MinceR | seller_'s trolling fails. | Nov 23 21:09 |
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| twitter | it should restart itself. | Nov 23 21:09 |
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| twitter | X that is. | Nov 23 21:10 |
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| MinceR | no, seller_ shouldn't restart itself. | Nov 23 21:10 |
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| MinceR | :> | Nov 23 21:10 |
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| trmanco | I don't know what really happened wit him today, acting weird | Nov 23 21:10 |
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| twitter | what failed, seller? | Nov 23 21:10 |
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| MinceR | oh no, it restarted | Nov 23 21:10 |
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| seller_ | i have closed Mibbit | Nov 23 21:10 |
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| MinceR | it was a good idea. do so again. | Nov 23 21:11 |
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| seller_ | Ok, guys , I will not tell anymore | Nov 23 21:11 |
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| seller_ | I need to go | Nov 23 21:11 |
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| trmanco | twitter, I'm talking about mis-configured xorg.conf files, you know,when you install a know card or something | Nov 23 21:11 |
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| seller_ | If the hardware detection fails ,what the use must do? | Nov 23 21:12 |
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| trmanco | I've been on a situation like that I I got back X with 3 commands | Nov 23 21:12 |
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| seller_ | like networking | Nov 23 21:12 |
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| trmanco | and* | Nov 23 21:12 |
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| twitter | Eh, just reinstall X. | Nov 23 21:12 |
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| seller_ | The user tries to install using ./configure make make install? | Nov 23 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | BullerproofX | Nov 23 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | *let | Nov 23 21:13 |
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| trmanco | I don't remember networking failing since I started using Linux (Ethernet) | Nov 23 21:13 |
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| seller_ | My attansic Fails a lot OF times | Nov 23 21:13 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, Fedora 9 doesn't have that I think | Nov 23 21:13 |
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| trmanco | twitter, it is faster if you can reconfigure X :P | Nov 23 21:14 |
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| _doug | ot: McDonald's patent the sandwich .. | Nov 23 21:14 |
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| _doug | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/... | Nov 23 21:14 |
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| twitter | Sure. It's also faster if the guy down the street can do it for you, like happens with Winblows and is increasingly happening with GNU/Linux. | Nov 23 21:14 |
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| twitter | Ultimately, computer service is all about community. | Nov 23 21:15 |
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| seller_ | http://ubuntuforums.org/sh... | Nov 23 21:15 |
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| twitter | M$ abuses the community, so it is leaving. | Nov 23 21:15 |
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| twitter | Swap out a video card in XP and newer and you will find yourself begging bill G to reauthorize your OS. | Nov 23 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | OpenSolaris 2008.11 RC2 Released < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n... > | Nov 23 21:16 |
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| trmanco | That won't happen on my system | Nov 23 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: it'll probably reach Fedora | Nov 23 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | But they work on a new X server (fork, IIRC) | Nov 23 21:16 |
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| twitter | The Vista capable disaster shows that you can't believe the label on the box for video anymore anyway. | Nov 23 21:16 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, which? | Nov 23 21:16 |
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| _doug | www.wipo.int .. is there an int top level domain ? | Nov 23 21:16 |
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| trmanco | int :| | Nov 23 21:17 |
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| twitter | What's the user to do when Winblows fails? Wait six years for a lawsuit to get him a coupon for another copy of Winblows or buy a new computer? | Nov 23 21:17 |
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| trmanco | yes | Nov 23 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: watch how yu make your sandwich | Nov 23 21:17 |
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| trmanco | _doug, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.int | Nov 23 21:17 |
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| twitter | X.org's simple text file configuration rules next to that mess. | Nov 23 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | McDonald's could crack down on local shops.. with baseball bats and all... | Nov 23 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag... ( More Work On Red Hat's Wayland Project ) | Nov 23 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/New-Wayland-X-serve... ( New Wayland X server looks to how a modern desktop works ) | Nov 23 21:18 |
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| trmanco | twitter, in Windows land, when it fails, just format C: and reinstall Windows... and all the programs you need for daily usage | Nov 23 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&am... (Wayland: A New X Server For Linux ) | Nov 23 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | Fedora moves the X server < http://lwn.net/Articles/305047/ > | Nov 23 21:19 |
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| trmanco | Wayland hmm | Nov 23 21:19 |
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| twitter | and the SPs and "up to date" drivers and AV and you lost all your settings and files and days worth to work and .... your computer is part of the botnet before it's done. | Nov 23 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | lucien is spreading FUD | Nov 23 21:19 |
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| twitter | ah. | Nov 23 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe he's having a hard day or maybe he's on some payroll or something. | Nov 23 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | lucian=seller-_liar | Nov 23 21:20 |
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| twitter | Fedora. Looks. | Nov 23 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | It's really him.. I see the IP | Nov 23 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | *Lucien | Nov 23 21:20 |
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| twitter | the seller_ that's here now or the one who's been here before? | Nov 23 21:21 |
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| _doug | SimplyMEPIS: The best desktop Linux you haven't tried .. | Nov 23 21:21 |
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| _doug | http://www.linux.com/feature/153431 | Nov 23 21:21 |
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| twitter | Yeah, Roy linked to that. | Nov 23 21:21 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, yeah, checked if he speaks portuguese too | Nov 23 21:21 |
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| twitter | Nice article. | Nov 23 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Brazilian | Nov 23 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | But he used to be OK | Nov 23 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Yesterday (or Friday) he spread FUD too. | Nov 23 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Like some of of BarkToPointOh | Nov 23 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | *kind of | Nov 23 21:22 |
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| _doug | Red Hat Fedora Claims It's the Leader in Linux .. | Nov 23 21:23 |
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| _doug | http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3... | Nov 23 21:23 |
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| _doug | Pentagon hit by virus .. | Nov 23 21:25 |
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| _doug | http://www.internetnews.com/government/article.php/378... | Nov 23 21:25 |
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| _doug | "It sounds like the DoD doesn't have a policy in place, and I find this surprising," Kandek told InternetNews.com. "It's long been well known that removable media can bear viruses that will infect your system." | Nov 23 21:25 |
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| _doug | I use gentoo :] | Nov 23 21:27 |
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| neighborlee | I might have tried gentoo ages ago, but having to compile everything never enticed me on any level, but I do admire its goals. | Nov 23 21:30 |
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| _doug | I wasn't serious .. | Nov 23 21:33 |
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| _doug | The only reason to compile from scratch is to get a blandingly-fast highly tuned to the hardware distro .. | Nov 23 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft employed the founder of Gentoo. | Nov 23 21:34 |
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| _doug | blindingly .. | Nov 23 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | There's a danger now. | Nov 23 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Also because of Oracle. | Nov 23 21:34 |
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| _doug | In this day of 3.6 GHz processors and 4GB ram, that's not such a problem anymore .. | Nov 23 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | With the current crisis (coming depression), large companies will sweep up lots of the good companies of pennies. We ought to protect from further cetralisation of power... which is opposite to the goals of Free softtware | Nov 23 21:35 |
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| _doug | ot: burning question of the day .. | Nov 23 21:35 |
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| _doug | "How do avatars have sex?" | Nov 23 21:36 |
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| _doug | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/m... | Nov 23 21:36 |
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| _doug | not very satisfactorly, I would imagine .. ;] | Nov 23 21:36 |
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| _doug | "Robbins resigned less than a year later on 16 January 2006 due to frustrations that he was unable to fully utilize his technical skills in this position. His new job is at ABC Coding Solutions where he will be focused on building in .NET on Windows" | Nov 23 21:37 |
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| _doug | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_... | Nov 23 21:37 |
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| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.li... | Nov 23 21:39 |
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| trmanco | brb | Nov 23 21:39 |
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| _doug | gtg .. | Nov 23 21:40 |
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| *_doug has quit () | Nov 23 21:40 |
| schestowitz | How predictable | Nov 23 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Symantec warned about the new stack. | Nov 23 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | They pulled out BSD code, put their out goo | Nov 23 21:44 |
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| neighborlee | im finding more that think mono is free and offering url's to show the view that they are not. ( LIke the rms statement.groklaw etc.) | Nov 23 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | That's valuable, thank you | Nov 23 21:55 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Nov 23 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, KDE guru | Nov 23 21:55 |
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| Eruaran | lol | Nov 23 21:55 |
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| neighborlee | np ;0- | Nov 23 21:55 |
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| Eruaran | No use looking at that exchange between me and drphysx on youtube now | Nov 23 21:55 |
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| neighborlee | hi there Eruaran | Nov 23 21:55 |
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| Eruaran | he's deleted my comments | Nov 23 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Like ms viral vids | Nov 23 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | hold on | Nov 23 21:56 |
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| Eruaran | I knew he would | Nov 23 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/03/micr... | Nov 23 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Watch: | Nov 23 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/30/microsoft-usin... | Nov 23 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | This coul be MS marketing | Nov 23 21:58 |
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| *evildragon has quit (Client Quit) | Nov 23 21:58 |
| Eruaran | He was completely owned and exposed it was very embarrassing for him. | Nov 23 21:59 |
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| Eruaran | So... *delete delete* | Nov 23 21:59 |
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| Eruaran | The funny part was that he would say something that was completely misinformed in triumphant fashion and tell me I didn't know what I was talking about | Nov 23 22:01 |
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| Eruaran | I would counter with the truth and tell him to try again | Nov 23 22:02 |
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| Eruaran | It made him look bad | Nov 23 22:02 |
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| Eruaran | I better get back to work... | Nov 23 22:03 |
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| Eruaran | :P | Nov 23 22:03 |
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| *Eruaran has quit (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it") | Nov 23 22:03 |
| trmanco | His work is on a Windows machine | Nov 23 22:04 |
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| *neighborlee has quit ("Leaving") | Nov 23 22:06 |
| PetoKraus | did you know that MSN won't forward your mails anywhere? | Nov 23 22:07 |
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| PetoKraus | You're only able to forward mail to a custom domain or an e-mail address that ends in hotmail.com, msn.com, or live.com. Please try again. | Nov 23 22:07 |
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| trmanco | ho really? | Nov 23 22:08 |
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| trmanco | never used that service to that point | Nov 23 22:08 |
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| trmanco | oh* | Nov 23 22:08 |
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| PetoKraus | me neither | Nov 23 22:09 |
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| trmanco | stupid limitations | Nov 23 22:09 |
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| trmanco | I wonder how MS is going to BS this fact | Nov 23 22:10 |
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| trmanco | is it that their servers can't handle the load? | Nov 23 22:10 |
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| trmanco | maybe | Nov 23 22:10 |
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| trmanco | have to go, cya tomorrow | Nov 23 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft lockin bolted on | Nov 23 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | What else would you expect from a company that built itself using proprietary formats, sabotage of standards and very stubborn lock-in | Nov 23 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. http://blog.s11n.net/?p=66 | Nov 23 23:15 |
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| MinceR | lol | Nov 23 23:18 |
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| twitter | "trmanco: His work is on a Windows machine" - that's sad, if true. | Nov 23 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds more like an oxymoron, if true. | Nov 23 23:23 |
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| *kapipi has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Nov 23 23:23 |
| twitter | Wasted effort is often considered work. | Nov 23 23:24 |
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| twitter | Monopoly jobs are like that. | Nov 23 23:26 |
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| PetoKraus | the guys at wine are nuts | Nov 23 23:26 |
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| PetoKraus | :/ | Nov 23 23:26 |
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| twitter | Must be, but I like what they managed to do. | Nov 23 23:26 |
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| twitter | Dirty job. | Nov 23 23:27 |
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| PetoKraus | well... yes | Nov 23 23:27 |
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| Eruaran | hi | Nov 23 23:27 |
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| PetoKraus | you AGAIN? | Nov 23 23:27 |
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| Eruaran | yes :P | Nov 23 23:27 |
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| PetoKraus | you better have another funny movie with you.... | Nov 23 23:27 |
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| Eruaran | lol | Nov 23 23:27 |
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| Eruaran | I got a lotta funny movies | Nov 23 23:28 |
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| twitter | You do quick work too. | Nov 23 23:28 |
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| Eruaran | Im still at work | Nov 23 23:28 |
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| Eruaran | I just thought I'd lurk | Nov 23 23:28 |
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| *Eruaran lurks | Nov 23 23:29 |
| twitter | cool | Nov 23 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | AlexH loses it | Nov 23 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | He's cursing now. | Nov 23 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/22/prot... | Nov 23 23:32 |
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| Eruaran | Didn't you get an email from someone at Microsoft about licensing ? | Nov 23 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, that's the one. | Nov 23 23:37 |
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| Eruaran | The not-so-open "open source" | Nov 23 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | cyberborg [sic] shoots from the hip: "This is not a defense of Novell, may their top management go to hell if any of the FUD generated by likes of boycottnovell has any bit of truth, I as a member of openSUSE community is proud to be working with some really nice people and happy to enjoy all the goodness they are sharing." | Nov 23 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/... <---- Opensuse person | Nov 23 23:40 |
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| twitter | AlexH never had it. | Nov 23 23:45 |
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| twitter | heckle, nothing more. | Nov 23 23:45 |
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| twitter | Here's something funny. The Vista show, http://www.youtube.com/profile?use... has been around and nobody's watching. | Nov 23 23:46 |
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| twitter | After 11 months, their biggest hit is Sharing Slideshows with less than half a million viewers. | Nov 23 23:46 |
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| twitter | Most have less than 10,000 | Nov 23 23:46 |
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| twitter | compare to "Where the hell is Matt" with more than 12,000,000 views. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=w... | Nov 23 23:47 |
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| twitter | His outtakes had more than 3,000,000 views in a year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT8jA_pps3o | Nov 23 23:48 |
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| PetoKraus | this day needs more pink floyd. | Nov 23 23:48 |
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| twitter | Ubuntu videos from random people do better than 200,000 in a year. http://www.youtube.com/results?search... | Nov 23 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | Deploy on Linux or stay with XP - Hasta la Vista < http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/... > | Nov 23 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | The sound of empire falling < http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=647 > | Nov 23 23:51 |
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| twitter | Some do better than 4,000,000 | Nov 23 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | Also new (but les snew): Deja Vista? < http://www.microsplot.com/blo... > | Nov 23 23:51 |
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| twitter | more pink floyd http://www.youtube.com/results?... | Nov 23 23:52 |
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| PetoKraus | did he actually go to all those places? | Nov 23 23:54 |
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| Eruaran | bloody hell... I'm trying to do a profit report atm and for some reason if I switch between calc and excel it doesn't display basic formula results properly in excel anymore | Nov 23 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. I likes that Matt footage. | Nov 23 23:55 |
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| Eruaran | Its basic as in =SUM(C5:C28) | Nov 23 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks for pointing that out. | Nov 23 23:55 |
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| Eruaran | wont display in excel... what is with that | Nov 23 23:56 |
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| Eruaran | open it up in calc... its fine | Nov 23 23:56 |
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| PetoKraus | INTERO~1 | Nov 23 23:56 |
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| PetoKraus | gimme dat paracetamol, eugene! | Nov 23 23:58 |
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