| *GoblinRFD has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Nov 30 01:13 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 30 01:17 |
|---|
| *kevin__ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Nov 30 01:35 |
| *PetoKraus (n=pk@cpc3-broo2-0-0-cust711.renf.cable.ntl.com) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 02:20 |
| *dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 04:50 |
| dsmith_ | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/mic... | Nov 30 04:51 |
|---|
| *dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has left #boycottnovell | Nov 30 04:53 |
| *dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 04:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online... "Another model of transparency that Microsoft likes to present is OOXML, the open documentation standard, according to Sandra Schaefer, manager of interoperability strategy at Microsoft. When asked why a certain specification ran over 6,500 pages with some facts still missing, she remained contrite." | Nov 30 06:04 |
|---|
| schestowitz | What a baloney! | Nov 30 06:04 |
|---|
| schestowitz | OOXML is corruption, not openness. | Nov 30 06:04 |
|---|
| *Omar87 has quit (Connection timed out) | Nov 30 06:29 |
| *Omar87 (n=omar@94.249.17.140) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 06:32 |
| *Omar87 (n=omar@94.249.17.140) has left #boycottnovell | Nov 30 06:56 |
| *Omar87 (n=omar@94.249.17.140) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 06:56 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Hi | Nov 30 06:56 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Hey there, what's up? | Nov 30 06:56 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | thats what I said | Nov 30 06:57 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I was just about to make some more posts. | Nov 30 06:57 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | baloney | Nov 30 06:57 |
|---|
| schestowitz | dsmith_: I can't help but feel like Microsoft uses Linux magazines now. | Nov 30 06:57 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They seem to have approached this (as I guess it) German magazine. | Nov 30 06:57 |
|---|
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Just got my wireless working, lol. :) | Nov 30 06:57 |
|---|
| schestowitz | It's a /fluff' -piece- misfit | Nov 30 06:57 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | heh, I was wondering about that | Nov 30 06:57 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Omar87: good stuff. It's a one-time effort, lasting for long | Nov 30 06:58 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | im like MS in a linux mag? | Nov 30 06:58 |
|---|
| schestowitz | No, it's not. | Nov 30 06:58 |
|---|
| schestowitz | It actually covered some BN stuff before. | Nov 30 06:58 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | according to Ballmer, linux is a cancer | Nov 30 06:58 |
|---|
| schestowitz | But knowing how Microsoft sings like a Canary to LUGs it wouldn't surprise me if they lobbies for such an article | Nov 30 06:58 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 30 06:59 |
|---|
| schestowitz | But another silly guy wrote something like "ballmer loves linux" the other day | Nov 30 06:59 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | Nonetheless, Schaefer reiterated that MS Office 2007 SP2 will include a native implementation of ODF 1.1....when it dont work, MS will blame Linux | Nov 30 06:59 |
|---|
| schestowitz | It's the same "Linux" writer who asked Micrsooft to hire him not so long ago | Nov 30 06:59 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I'm very much mystified by these mixture that I seee... | Nov 30 06:59 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | ppl want to feed from the MS trough | Nov 30 07:00 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | lol | Nov 30 07:00 |
|---|
| schestowitz | ...not because some sort of Microsoft 'xenophobia' but because Microsoft is STILL threatening to sue. | Nov 30 07:00 |
|---|
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah! That's true! :) | Nov 30 07:00 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Are these people asleep | Nov 30 07:00 |
|---|
| schestowitz | ? | Nov 30 07:00 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | talk is cheap | Nov 30 07:00 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | obviously | Nov 30 07:00 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I bet some people see their job going away and they beg for giveaways from /anything/ | Nov 30 07:00 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Erwin from Sun went to SAP | Nov 30 07:00 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | openoffice erwin? | Nov 30 07:01 |
|---|
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I asked the people at the #ubuntu channel for help. They introduced my to wcid. It's amazing! :) | Nov 30 07:01 |
|---|
| schestowitz | dsmith_: yes | Nov 30 07:01 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | ahhh ok | Nov 30 07:01 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I hate Microsoft after last night. | Nov 30 07:01 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | I dont read that blog anymore | Nov 30 07:01 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I got back from a night out, got this E-mail about Silverlight and I had to restart my KDE session with some data loss after Silverlight had f*ed it up | Nov 30 07:01 |
|---|
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Well, who doesn't hate Microsoft? :) | Nov 30 07:02 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | silverlight? | Nov 30 07:02 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I'll blog about this too... because Novell helps Microsoft in this. | Nov 30 07:02 |
|---|
| schestowitz | dsmith_: yes | Nov 30 07:02 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | on what | Nov 30 07:02 |
|---|
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Wait, what happened? | Nov 30 07:02 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Konqy | Nov 30 07:02 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I'll write about this later. | Nov 30 07:02 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | ok | Nov 30 07:02 |
|---|
| schestowitz | If only just to show how much trouble Microsoft causes by not serving HTML | Nov 30 07:03 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They try to replace 'the Web' | Nov 30 07:03 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | let them keep shooting themselves in the foot | Nov 30 07:03 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Gates used to mock the Web, saying it did not serve enough of Microsoft's own binary files. | Nov 30 07:03 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | whats he know | Nov 30 07:03 |
|---|
| schestowitz | dsmith_: here's the thing. Windows users might not notice. | Nov 30 07:03 |
|---|
| schestowitz | So it often boils down to loud minorities. | Nov 30 07:04 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | windows users really dont care | Nov 30 07:04 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Well.. | Nov 30 07:04 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | all they want is sh!t to work | Nov 30 07:04 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | Omar87: whats wcid | Nov 30 07:04 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | nm I found it | Nov 30 07:06 |
|---|
| Omar87 | dsmith_: okay | Nov 30 07:06 |
|---|
| *Omar87 has quit ("Leaving.") | Nov 30 07:11 |
| *dsmith_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Nov 30 07:13 |
| schestowitz | Hmm.. http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsug-bangalo... | Nov 30 07:17 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "Moreover, an organization cannot work in isolation. Kiran's close connections with the Communist Party can be and should be used for the benefit of the organization. Being the editor of CPI(M)s very popular newspaper, he should be able to take the organization to the next level." | Nov 30 07:18 |
|---|
| schestowitz | One Board member in that Indian conference fiasco seems to is a member of a left political party. He keeps prioritizing party's interest over Free Software Interests. He was behind all sectarian moves. | Nov 30 07:19 |
|---|
| schestowitz | CPIM now have a interest in Mobilising Knowledge workers in the name of Free Software Movement. All the moves listed in that FAQ is done by this person, including the Cochin conference. But the party never subscribes Free Software Philosophy. For them it is an anti-Microsoft thing. | Nov 30 07:20 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Someone tells me that the FAQ was very sharp earlier on. After they'd seen the initial one -- and it was very direct -- it was changed. Later it got diluted in Board discussions | Nov 30 07:21 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Proprietary software... all politics, as usual. Money and power.. | Nov 30 07:21 |
|---|
| schestowitz | There ought to be a response to this FAQ. Maybe we ought to do this. It's already circulated in mailing lists. | Nov 30 07:22 |
|---|
| *kevin__ (n=kevin@adsl-71-132-205-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 07:29 |
| *kevin__ (n=kevin@adsl-71-132-205-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has left #boycottnovell (""byebye everybody!"") | Nov 30 07:31 |
| *kevin__ (n=kevin@adsl-71-132-205-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 07:32 |
| kevin__ | hi | Nov 30 07:33 |
|---|
| *kentma (n=user@host86-152-100-25.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 07:33 |
| *kentma1 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Nov 30 07:33 |
| schestowitz | Hey there. | Nov 30 07:33 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Last night I posted things in a rush and seem to have been disconnected while away | Nov 30 07:34 |
|---|
| *kevin__ (n=kevin@adsl-71-132-205-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has left #boycottnovell (""byebye everybody!"") | Nov 30 07:36 |
| schestowitz | IDG peddling of lock-in... http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisewindo... | Nov 30 08:42 |
|---|
| schestowitz | The End of Bailout Transparency Already? < http://bailoutsleuth.com/2008/10/the-end-of... > | Nov 30 09:05 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "When the Treasury Department's bailout czar provided an update this week on the government's $700 billion plan to rescue troubled financial institutions, he vowed that it would be an "open and transparent program with appropriate oversight. [...] fell short in the transparency department." | Nov 30 09:06 |
|---|
| schestowitz | It's amusing too see the blog posts aggregated now at the bottom of Google search results... http://www.google.com/search?q=no... | Nov 30 09:33 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Citing a former Microsoft evangelist (and employee), describing him as "Industry observer." Amazing. http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/11/why-microsoft-... | Nov 30 09:38 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Eric Lai tries to defend the Vole: http://blogs.computerworld.com/analyst_r... | Nov 30 09:54 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Tagline: "Regarding Redmond" He also took a shot at BN recently. | Nov 30 09:54 |
|---|
| trmanco | http://www.shittyart.net/wp-content/u... | Nov 30 10:12 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I'm not sure about "art" but the other part of the domain name fits this... | Nov 30 10:13 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Here is the Micro^H^HSeattle Post Intelligencer sucking up to Microsoft with fairy tales that say nothing about the truth: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/38... In other news, Stalin was a good father and the Chinese govt. loves cats. | Nov 30 10:14 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Attempts to sell Windows using athletes.. http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/nov/26/j... That too comes to and end, just like the Seinfeld gig. | Nov 30 10:16 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "Windows mobile partners such as Samsung, LG, HTC and Motorola now have a strong reason to dump the Microsoft Windows Mobile OS Operating system" < http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Phon... > Mind "OS Operating system" | Nov 30 10:24 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Suits: Microsoft files new cybersquatting charges < http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/2689... > | Nov 30 10:24 |
|---|
| *kentma has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | Nov 30 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Now you see it < http://news.google.com/news?hl=e... >... and now you don't : < http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/200... > ERROR 404. "Microsoft Not Rushing To Fix Vista Kernel Vulnerability" | Nov 30 10:35 |
|---|
| trmanco | G.M Stewart? | Nov 30 10:36 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Gary Stewart | Nov 30 10:36 |
|---|
| schestowitz | AKA "flatfish", "Guandeep", "Moshe Goldfarb" etc. same person, hundreds of name. | Nov 30 10:36 |
|---|
| trmanco | :| | Nov 30 10:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They're a bunch of thugs.. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20... | Nov 30 10:38 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Be careful. Microsoft has just... bought a domain name! ... http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Midmarket/Micr... ... just as 'scary' as the relaunching and renamings of Live/MSN ... they put a nice picture there, so the engine /MUST/ be good. | Nov 30 10:40 |
|---|
| trmanco | engine? what engine? | Nov 30 10:43 |
|---|
| trmanco | the search engine? | Nov 30 10:43 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Search engine. Microsoft is still experimenting with win32 | Nov 30 10:43 |
|---|
| trmanco | lol | Nov 30 10:44 |
|---|
| schestowitz | These things are not built to scale. | Nov 30 10:44 |
|---|
| trmanco | Microsofts engine is like a Fiat compared to Google's Bugatti | Nov 30 10:44 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "LeBron James and Microsoft have lost their Internet connection. James' spokesman says the NBA superstar and the software giant have ended a two-year ..." CLICK on this.. and "Server Error in '/WebSports' Application." http://74.218.1.250:9132/websports/Default... | Nov 30 10:46 |
|---|
| schestowitz | ASPX | Nov 30 10:46 |
|---|
| trmanco | lol | Nov 30 10:48 |
|---|
| *dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 10:48 |
| *dsmith_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Nov 30 10:49 |
| schestowitz | dsmith_: I wrote about the Silverlight incident: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11... | Nov 30 10:49 |
|---|
| *dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Oh, he's just left | Nov 30 10:49 |
|---|
| schestowitz | dsmith_: I wrote about the Silverlight incident: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/30/silve... | Nov 30 10:49 |
|---|
| dsmith_ | ok thx | Nov 30 10:50 |
|---|
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/ope... "In requesting Ballmer's testimony, the plaintiffs entered into evidence e-mails -- unsealed by the court last week -- in which Ballmer appears to have been informed of changes to the Vista Capable definition that allowed inclusion of an underpowered Intel graphics chipset." | Nov 30 10:52 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Wii Sales Pass 7 Million Units in Japan < http://www.pcworld.com/article/154537/wii_... > | Nov 30 10:56 |
|---|
| schestowitz | VMware and Microsoft aren’t the only games in town < http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/virt... >. Most journalists focus on just two 'camps'.. like Google-Yaho, Apple-Microsoft | Nov 30 11:05 |
|---|
| *dsmith_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Nov 30 11:09 |
| schestowitz | "At barely $3 a share, Sun's $2.3bn stock market value is 40 per cent below its book value, and little more than 1 per cent of its value at the start of the decade." < http://www.ft.com/cms/s/ce95e0be-... > | Nov 30 11:11 |
|---|
| *dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 11:13 |
| *dsmith_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Nov 30 11:13 |
| schestowitz | The Gartner shills' insult is making its way to more countries: http://www.cxotoday.com/India/News/Open_S... | Nov 30 11:14 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Another faker... "open-source dedication" http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Bigger-... | Nov 30 11:23 |
|---|
| schestowitz | More abuse of the term "open source": http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2008/11/29/... http://www.pr.com/press-release/119272 | Nov 30 11:25 |
|---|
| trmanco | http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/news/2008... | Nov 30 12:09 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Good, good.. I'll chain it to this: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/mit_... ( MIT to Open Source Mobile Web Code ) | Nov 30 12:12 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I wonder what this project is about . Stallman is in MIT. Well, Chomsky is in MIT too. They are under constant threats, but the latter claims that he gets better protection where he resides, in campus. | Nov 30 12:13 |
|---|
| *Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.71.47.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 12:22 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 30 12:32 |
|---|
| *Eruaran (n=jeremy@183.110.208.203.cable.dyn.gex.ncable.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 13:17 |
| Tallken | greekings | Nov 30 13:18 |
|---|
| Eruaran | hello | Nov 30 13:19 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Hi | Nov 30 13:20 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Anything interesting happening ? | Nov 30 13:21 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I heard about KDE4.. | Nov 30 13:23 |
|---|
| Tallken | hum? | Nov 30 13:23 |
|---|
| Eruaran | 4.2 ? | Nov 30 13:23 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Did you see the post about KDE and Silver Lie? I should really check how many people in BN use KDE4. | Nov 30 13:24 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "It sounds like you're using KDE4. I've seen other scenarios which kill "Kwin" there. Mine was that, every time I started the KDE4 version of "amarok", "kwin" dies. With "konqueror", it's a mixed bag." | Nov 30 13:24 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "Some Web sites seem to work better with the KDE4 version of "konqueror" and others, like the Silverlight site, work better with the KDE3 version of "konqueror". I was using crusty old "konqueror" under KDE v. 3.5.4 with CentOS5, which is why I didn't experience a crash (just the "not supported" message which I was expecting.)" | Nov 30 13:24 |
|---|
| Eruaran | yes | Nov 30 13:25 |
|---|
| Tallken | I fail to see the issue here? | Nov 30 13:26 |
|---|
| Tallken | besides code problems of course | Nov 30 13:27 |
|---|
| Tallken | I just don't follow "silver lie"+"kwin dies"+"KDE3 version of "konqueror"" | Nov 30 13:27 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Silverlight doesn't work with Konqueror, period. | Nov 30 13:27 |
|---|
| Tallken | does it work with any browser? on Linux I mean | Nov 30 13:28 |
|---|
| Eruaran | no | Nov 30 13:28 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Will it /ever/? Silver Lie doesn't work with Linux. period. | Nov 30 13:28 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Moonlight has nothing to do with it. | Nov 30 13:28 |
|---|
| Eruaran | I think its probably a sideshow really | Nov 30 13:32 |
|---|
| MinceR | why is it a problem if SilverLie or MoonBlight fail to work with konqueror anyway? | Nov 30 13:32 |
|---|
| schestowitz | That doesn't require RIAs. | Nov 30 13:32 |
|---|
| Eruaran | I think whatever plans Google has with V8 and Chrome are more interesting and will be more influential | Nov 30 13:32 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Want image? JS | Nov 30 13:32 |
|---|
| schestowitz | (that's Flickr) | Nov 30 13:32 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I've seen people whose photos from events they shove up some Flash shell. | Nov 30 13:33 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Very annoying... can't even download the images | Nov 30 13:33 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Can't index.. nothing... | Nov 30 13:33 |
|---|
| Eruaran | I think in the end Silverlight is just noise | Nov 30 13:34 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, Google's work is good and they help with JS, but... we need SVG.. Microsoft imperils it. | Nov 30 13:34 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Eruaran: don't say that. Miguel&Novell&MS will cry. | Nov 30 13:34 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Microsoft imperils everything it touches | Nov 30 13:34 |
|---|
| MinceR | since chrome has such a windows-centric design, i have my doubts about whether it will ever be ported anywhere. | Nov 30 13:34 |
|---|
| MinceR | (i don't consider crossover chromium a port) | Nov 30 13:35 |
|---|
| Eruaran | I think Miguel is what might be termed from Microsoft's point of view a, "useful idiot". | Nov 30 13:35 |
|---|
| schestowitz | MinceR: don't worry. | Nov 30 13:35 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Novell is working on iot. | Nov 30 13:35 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They turn GNU/Linux into another Windoqs. | Nov 30 13:35 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Then to serve it to the Vole, I guess.. | Nov 30 13:35 |
|---|
| MinceR | i think they'll only turn suse into another windows | Nov 30 13:35 |
|---|
| schestowitz | What about Ubuntu? | Nov 30 13:36 |
|---|
| MinceR | dunno | Nov 30 13:36 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Ububuntu is getting worse | Nov 30 13:36 |
|---|
| schestowitz | There's peer influence... they pass their poisonware around. | Nov 30 13:36 |
|---|
| MinceR | i know it's getting worse | Nov 30 13:36 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Ububuntu? | Nov 30 13:36 |
|---|
| schestowitz | [Ub]*unbtu | Nov 30 13:36 |
|---|
| Eruaran | I got some updates today and the updater told me I needed to reboot before changes could take effect... | Nov 30 13:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | UbUbUbUbUbUbUbUbUbUbUbUbUbUbUbUbUbuntu. [recursive acronym-ish. | Nov 30 13:37 |
|---|
| Eruaran | I'm like, "reboot" ? | Nov 30 13:37 |
|---|
| trmanco | http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-19/ | Nov 30 13:37 |
|---|
| MinceR | some updates do need that | Nov 30 13:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Eruaran: there was a kernel patch. | Nov 30 13:37 |
|---|
| MinceR | especially until distros start using ksplice | Nov 30 13:37 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Ubuntu does it all the time though | Nov 30 13:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | See Softpedia article. | Nov 30 13:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Eruaran: making users feel like in old(er) home maybe. | Nov 30 13:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Or playing it safe, I don't know... | Nov 30 13:38 |
|---|
| Eruaran | For example | Nov 30 13:38 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Install graphics drivers | Nov 30 13:38 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Need to restart xorg | Nov 30 13:38 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Ubuntu tells the user to reboot the system | Nov 30 13:38 |
|---|
| MinceR | an update to init would probably need a reboot too :> | Nov 30 13:38 |
|---|
| MinceR | Eruaran: they ought to fix that | Nov 30 13:38 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Ubuntu is starting to feel like Windows | Nov 30 13:39 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Asking you to reboot everytime something updates | Nov 30 13:39 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Is Fedora not doing this? | Nov 30 13:39 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I don't think distros typically say anything. | Nov 30 13:39 |
|---|
| schestowitz | But you probably speak about "Restricted Drivers" GUI. | Nov 30 13:39 |
|---|
| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(13:40 $)âââ¬> uptime | Nov 30 13:40 |
|---|
| schestowitz | 13:40:13 up 45 days, 21:58, 2 users, load average: 0.79, 0.89, 0.86 | Nov 30 13:40 |
|---|
| schestowitz | roy@baine:~$ uptime | Nov 30 13:40 |
|---|
| schestowitz | 13:29:21 up 87 days, 2:57, 2 users, load average: 0.11, 0.11, 0.09 | Nov 30 13:40 |
|---|
| benJIman | Restarting dbus requires a reboot too really. | Nov 30 13:41 |
|---|
| trmanco | 13:53:06 up 4 days, 7:19, 5 users, load average: 0.19, 0.92, 1.14 | Nov 30 13:44 |
|---|
| trmanco | :( | Nov 30 13:44 |
|---|
| macabe | 08:56:19 up 18:52, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.12, 0.09 | Nov 30 13:48 |
|---|
| Eruaran | 00:58:37 up 1 day, 2:38, 1 user, load average: 0.22, 0.24, 0.20 | Nov 30 13:50 |
|---|
| MinceR | mincer@stormwind(pts/4) % uptime | Nov 30 13:50 |
|---|
| MinceR | 14:59:04 up 1:31, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.17, 0.18 | Nov 30 13:50 |
|---|
| MinceR | guardian% uptime | Nov 30 13:50 |
|---|
| MinceR | 15:04:54 up 52 days, 20:01, 11 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | Nov 30 13:50 |
|---|
| Eruaran | I installed the Prey demo the other day | Nov 30 13:50 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Oh, Phoronix mentioned it. | Nov 30 13:50 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Any good? | Nov 30 13:51 |
|---|
| Eruaran | I like it | Nov 30 13:51 |
|---|
| macabe | Installed later kernel yesterday (2.6.27-7.686) | Nov 30 13:51 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Although at the moment I can only play it windowed and I don't know why | Nov 30 13:51 |
|---|
| schestowitz | So that you can spin it 'round the cube maybe.. to show off. | Nov 30 13:53 |
|---|
| MinceR | lol | Nov 30 13:56 |
|---|
| MinceR | how well do opengl games work with an aiglx-based window manager now? | Nov 30 13:56 |
|---|
| *PetoKraus has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Nov 30 14:02 |
| *Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.71.47.rev.optimus.pt) has left #boycottnovell ("Konversation terminated!") | Nov 30 14:21 |
| *ld50 (n=s@56.57.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 14:34 |
| ld50 | hi | Nov 30 14:34 |
|---|
| ld50 | there's some mono activity in kde-devel mailing | Nov 30 14:35 |
|---|
| ld50 | list | Nov 30 14:35 |
|---|
| ld50 | brb | Nov 30 14:35 |
|---|
| MinceR | i see a single post related to that | Nov 30 14:36 |
|---|
| ld50 | i see 3 | Nov 30 14:36 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Nov 30 14:36 |
|---|
| schestowitz | What about? | Nov 30 14:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | URL? | Nov 30 14:37 |
|---|
| ld50 | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&... | Nov 30 14:39 |
|---|
| schestowitz | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&am... | Nov 30 14:40 |
|---|
| schestowitz | " | Nov 30 14:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Depending on a closed company like Microsoft to have new APIs, new | Nov 30 14:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | technologies, new improvements is i think a bad point. Mono just implement | Nov 30 14:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | .Net APIs, this project has no creativity. Ok .Net is developer friendly, | Nov 30 14:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | yes but comparing to first point it is nothing. We have already a toolkit | Nov 30 14:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | with Qt which save us a bit from C++ crap. Gnome start to port their | Nov 30 14:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | applications to Mono, that is their choices. I don't want to start a | Nov 30 14:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | flameware here but i think it is a very bad idea. | Nov 30 14:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | " | Nov 30 14:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | There's all that stuff like hooks from Richard Dale. | Nov 30 14:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Hmmm... I noticed that PJ publishes just one article per day (less than you used to). I can't help but wonder if she works outside the site in order to pay the bills? I've asked her because I might need to follow a similar route. | Nov 30 14:43 |
|---|
| Eruaran | I hate these Mono weasels. | Nov 30 14:43 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "Mono is so good..." | Nov 30 14:44 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "Blah, lah, blah..." | Nov 30 14:44 |
|---|
| Eruaran | They obviously expect everybody to be as stupid as the Anakin de Icaza fan club. | Nov 30 14:44 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I'm trying to find out his background... http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&... | Nov 30 14:45 |
|---|
| Eruaran | I certainly hope the KDE community at large does not entertain these guys. | Nov 30 14:47 |
|---|
| Eruaran | They are poison. | Nov 30 14:47 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I'll do a quick post. | Nov 30 14:48 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Its like having Grime Wormtongue over for dinner. | Nov 30 14:48 |
|---|
| Eruaran | *Grima | Nov 30 14:49 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I was warned by a prof. a year ago that this is how they might fight back... not necessarily with shills but with aficionados that subvert from the inside | Nov 30 14:49 |
|---|
| schestowitz | gaming of bug reports, voting on features, etc. | Nov 30 14:49 |
|---|
| Eruaran | Gríma, called (the) Wormtongue, is a fictional character in J. R. R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings... He is introduced in The Two Towers as the chief advisor to King Théoden... Gríma serves as an archetypal flatterer, liar, and manipulator. The name 'Gríma' derives from the Icelandic word meaning "a mask". | Nov 30 14:55 |
|---|
| Eruaran | (from Wikipedia) | Nov 30 14:56 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Lord of the (Cog)Wheels | Nov 30 14:58 |
|---|
| Eruaran | nite guys | Nov 30 15:07 |
|---|
| Eruaran | I got to get some sleep | Nov 30 15:07 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I've just posted about KDE... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/30/mo... | Nov 30 15:17 |
|---|
| *ld50 (n=s@56.57.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) has left #boycottnovell | Nov 30 15:26 |
| macabe | Does MS itself use .net for it's own product? Last I read ms-office 2003 & exchange were based on win32. | Nov 30 15:33 |
|---|
| schestowitz | No,. they don't | Nov 30 15:34 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Vista isn't .NET | Nov 30 15:34 |
|---|
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/29... ( So what will happen to Sun? ) | Nov 30 15:34 |
|---|
| *benJIman has quit (lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Nov 30 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Since Windows Server 2008 is said to have more downtime than 2003 (source: shills group, aka Yankee), I wonder how many of their own domains up^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwngraded | Nov 30 15:36 |
|---|
| *benJIman (n=benji@benjiweber.co.uk) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 15:36 |
| macabe | A chef that wouldn't eat his own food, I would suspect his offerings. If MS doesn't use .net for its fagship product I wouldn't use. | Nov 30 15:41 |
|---|
| macabe | *fagship=flagship | Nov 30 15:42 |
|---|
| schestowitz | That goes back to 2006. | Nov 30 15:42 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I doubt it changed in SPs (well, obviously) | Nov 30 15:42 |
|---|
| macabe | yeah | Nov 30 15:42 |
|---|
| schestowitz | So I wonder about Vista 7.. another Vista. | Nov 30 15:43 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I.e. .NET still ignored | Nov 30 15:43 |
|---|
| macabe | Got a few ppl hovering over this monitor; they can't believe MS not using .net for main product lines. | Nov 30 15:50 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I'd need to confirm, but I'm sure I saw it. | Nov 30 15:51 |
|---|
| schestowitz | The media has been quiet about it for a long time since I saw it. | Nov 30 15:51 |
|---|
| macabe | Last I seen it was in msversus. | Nov 30 15:52 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I have it among my references | Nov 30 15:52 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I just can't think of a search string to find it by. | Nov 30 15:53 |
|---|
| schestowitz | This is not it, but wait... http://www.intelliadmin.com/blog/2007/04/net... ( .NET will be the downfall of Microsoft Windows ) | Nov 30 15:53 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Developers Embrace Java, Drop Visual Basic < http://www.informationweek.com/software/show... > | Nov 30 15:54 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses Novell et al to fight Java | Nov 30 15:54 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Who would use Mono now? < http://labora.harnvi.net/?p=37 > | Nov 30 15:54 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "You can call it FUD, but for me it's a question of investing my time and energy in technology that are and will be available on the platforms I use (Mac OS X and Linux). I don't trust Microsoft and I don't trust Novell anymore either. Who knows when Microsot will bring out it's patents and kill Mono use outside of Novell? " | Nov 30 15:55 |
|---|
| schestowitz | That was in 2006. | Nov 30 15:55 |
|---|
| macabe | So they're in essence MS is laying the groundwork for dependence on .mono then come in for the kill. | Nov 30 15:58 |
|---|
| schestowitz | That's the hypothesis | Nov 30 15:59 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Microsoft is not exactly a fan of GNU/Linux. It won't /HELP/ its development, yet it contributed to Mono. | Nov 30 15:59 |
|---|
| macabe | They control the API back when excel & 123 was feuding. Too many strange things were happening with 123 on win boxes. | Nov 30 16:01 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Did they also have a 'partner in crime' back then? Accomplice like NOVL? | Nov 30 16:03 |
|---|
| macabe | Don't know but if they (MS/novell) control hidden binaries in .mono what's to happen if they "feel" like changing? | Nov 30 16:03 |
|---|
| schestowitz | That's one risk | Nov 30 16:05 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They could make division between free Mono and better 'enterprise' edition. | Nov 30 16:05 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They already have it divided into chunks. | Nov 30 16:05 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Could be patent-free and pricey offerings separated. | Nov 30 16:05 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Like Java.. | Nov 30 16:05 |
|---|
| macabe | A risk that you know is a risk is one too many in enterprise support considering the unknown risks that usually come up. | Nov 30 16:09 |
|---|
| macabe | Currently we're in 911 when one of the sme pushed .net 3 on every machine connected through WSUS. | Nov 30 16:11 |
|---|
| macabe | Breaking many apps. | Nov 30 16:12 |
|---|
| schestowitz | 9 one one? 9 eleven? | Nov 30 16:15 |
|---|
| macabe | It's shorthand over here for "All hands on deck" | Nov 30 16:16 |
|---|
| macabe | It came originally from the phone calls to the application vendor. Call them and add a 911 to the #. | Nov 30 16:18 |
|---|
| schestowitz | WSUS breaks thngs every month or so (maybe two) | Nov 30 16:18 |
|---|
| macabe | Consistently, specially after 2nd Tuesday of the month. | Nov 30 16:18 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Yes, that one. | Nov 30 16:20 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Same cycle evey 4 weeks. | Nov 30 16:20 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Critical patched announced. | Nov 30 16:20 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Sysadmins get nervous | Nov 30 16:20 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Some company tries to sell patches early | Nov 30 16:20 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Patches arrive | Nov 30 16:21 |
|---|
| schestowitz | New critical vuln found and attacks reported | Nov 30 16:21 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Broken server reported due to patch | Nov 30 16:21 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Patch reissued. | Nov 30 16:21 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Rinse and repeat. | Nov 30 16:21 |
|---|
| macabe | Yeap, like clockwork. You can put money in the bank on that prediction. | Nov 30 16:22 |
|---|
| macabe | It's the patches to the patches. If we weren't involved in fixing them it would be comedy. | Nov 30 16:23 |
|---|
| macabe | I'm support for 25 Debian servers but spend most of the time supporting windows sysadmins. | Nov 30 16:26 |
|---|
| *_doug (n=configna@unaffiliated/confignak) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 17:06 |
| _doug | "Microsoft is in talks to acquire Yahoo’s online search business for $20 billion (€£13 billion)" | Nov 30 17:07 |
|---|
| _doug | http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/b... | Nov 30 17:07 |
|---|
| _doug | "Google and Miva both challenged Overture in court over the '361 patent, even as Microsoft, Yahoo, and others licensed the technology" | Nov 30 17:10 |
|---|
| _doug | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/07/09/... | Nov 30 17:10 |
|---|
| _doug | "System and method for influencing a position on a search result list generated by a computer network search engine" | Nov 30 17:10 |
|---|
| _doug | http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/... | Nov 30 17:10 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Nov 30 17:16 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I'll do a summary | Nov 30 17:16 |
|---|
| _doug | 'Google's SEC filings mention a "fully-paid, perpetual license," but they omit the word non-revocable. Patent license terms often include non-revocable in addition to perpetual. Perpetual seems to indicate non-revocability but it really does not. It is unreasonable to expect Google's high-powered lawyers to miss the word non-revocable, so Google's license to the '361 patent is revocable' | Nov 30 17:17 |
|---|
| _doug | http://www.techuser.net/gcoverup.html | Nov 30 17:17 |
|---|
| _doug | http://www.techuser.net/microsoft-... | Nov 30 17:22 |
|---|
| *MinceR proposes burning all jurists | Nov 30 17:22 |
| _doug | "Microsoft believes that by being clever about the deal terms Microsoft can practically get Yahoo's big fish patent licensee to fully reimburse Microsoft for whatever Microsoft pays for Yahoo's paid search assets" | Nov 30 17:24 |
|---|
| _doug | "So, who is Yahoo's big fish patent licensee, and why would it compensate Microsoft for buying Yahoo's assets?" | Nov 30 17:24 |
|---|
| _doug | ... | Nov 30 17:27 |
|---|
| _doug | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6... | Nov 30 17:27 |
|---|
| _doug | ... | Nov 30 17:27 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I read about this at the time. | Nov 30 17:28 |
|---|
| _doug | is very interesting all the same .. | Nov 30 17:32 |
|---|
| _doug | btw: I thought Microsoft recently expressed no interest in acquiring Yahoo ? | Nov 30 17:33 |
|---|
| _doug | IF so, what was the point of stacking the baord and forcing out Jerry Yang? | Nov 30 17:33 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Yes, that too | Nov 30 17:34 |
|---|
| schestowitz | The indifference is intended to knock down the stock | Nov 30 17:34 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They get it cheaper that way | Nov 30 17:34 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They rock the boat | Nov 30 17:34 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Ballmer/MS say "No, yes, no, yes..." | Nov 30 17:35 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I the same way they drove staff out | Nov 30 17:35 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Agitation... by design. | Nov 30 17:35 |
|---|
| _doug | constructive-destruction .. | Nov 30 17:36 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 30 17:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Competition by destruction of compeition. | Nov 30 17:37 |
|---|
| _doug | "you don't need to buy the company, just destroy them and then take their business", Duncan 'Dragons' Den' Bannatyne | Nov 30 17:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They aim to ruin Google. | Nov 30 17:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | No Google means less competition... monopoly. | Nov 30 17:38 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Is that a real quote , doug? | Nov 30 17:38 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I'd use it if it is. | Nov 30 17:38 |
|---|
| _doug | No, better to have Google pay MS for Google AdSearch ... | Nov 30 17:38 |
|---|
| _doug | IS a real quote, from one of his apprentices | Nov 30 17:38 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Nov 30 17:39 |
|---|
| _doug | He wouldn't be foolish enough to say that outloud .. | Nov 30 17:39 |
|---|
| _doug | It's on iPlayer: 'Dragons Den', | Nov 30 17:40 |
|---|
| _doug | hey, its just business .. | Nov 30 17:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I have the post almost done | Nov 30 17:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | .Proofing. | Nov 30 17:41 |
|---|
| _doug | Dragons Den: I'll lend you money at 160% interest :) | Nov 30 17:42 |
|---|
| _doug | my former boss: I'll sell you cheap unbranded whiteboxes, that'll be broke in three months .. :) | Nov 30 17:43 |
|---|
| _doug | I got the full quote .. | Nov 30 17:48 |
|---|
| _doug | Igloo delivering school dinners 25:40 .. | Nov 30 17:48 |
|---|
| _doug | "instead of buying a business, its much better to undercut that business put them out of business and then mop up their business anyway" | Nov 30 17:48 |
|---|
| _doug | http://snipurl.com/6yp35 | Nov 30 17:48 |
|---|
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/30... | Nov 30 17:49 |
|---|
| _doug | So that's why their's four McDonuts in the one street ? | Nov 30 17:49 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I need to run now. | Nov 30 17:49 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Circuit training thing.. | Nov 30 17:50 |
|---|
| _doug | You know, Dragons Den is very educational ... | Nov 30 17:50 |
|---|
| _doug | well, it goes quit round here .. makes me wonder why people tune in .. :) | Nov 30 17:50 |
|---|
| trmanco | stupid trolls | Nov 30 19:10 |
|---|
| trmanco | schestowitz, how can you take all that harassment that the trolls give you? | Nov 30 19:11 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Oh, wait... | Nov 30 20:12 |
|---|
| schestowitz | What are they doing now? Let me check without killfile. | Nov 30 20:12 |
|---|
| _doug | Norris patent linked lists on flash .. | Nov 30 20:13 |
|---|
| _doug | http://www.ecnasiamag.com/article-23693-desi... | Nov 30 20:13 |
|---|
| trmanco | schestowitz, they continue to harass you around | Nov 30 20:14 |
|---|
| _doug | totally ignore the trolls, that's what they want you to do, expend energy in responding to them .. | Nov 30 20:14 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Nov 30 20:15 |
|---|
| schestowitz | That's why I fd them. | Nov 30 20:15 |
|---|
| schestowitz | *kf | Nov 30 20:15 |
|---|
| trmanco | kf? | Nov 30 20:16 |
|---|
| *neighborlee (n=neighbor@unaffiliated/neighborlee) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 20:16 |
| trmanco | oh | Nov 30 20:16 |
|---|
| trmanco | killfile | Nov 30 20:16 |
|---|
| _doug | where do these trolls hangout ? | Nov 30 20:16 |
|---|
| schestowitz | One of the Mac trolls seems angry. | Nov 30 20:16 |
|---|
| schestowitz | It's because I mention Apple's attack on FOSS | Nov 30 20:16 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Which is by all means an attack on Linux. | Nov 30 20:16 |
|---|
| schestowitz | And they break the law in the process... DMCA abuse | Nov 30 20:17 |
|---|
| neighborlee | schestowitz, any news from rms does he still support the 'rewrite them in mono' and mono poses a threat to gnome comments ? | Nov 30 20:17 |
|---|
| neighborlee | I dont think it will matter much if android takes ahold ;) | Nov 30 20:17 |
|---|
| _doug | Apple would be huge, if they opened up the hardware to cheap manufacture in the far east .. | Nov 30 20:18 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Android? | Nov 30 20:18 |
|---|
| schestowitz | De Icaza wanted to push some .NET into it. | Nov 30 20:18 |
|---|
| schestowitz | RMS is not in favour of implementing in .NET | Nov 30 20:18 |
|---|
| neighborlee | http://code.google.com/android/ | Nov 30 20:18 |
|---|
| _doug | At the same time, business is moving away from the desktop, to smal lembedded devices and services .. | Nov 30 20:18 |
|---|
| neighborlee | schestowitz, just making sure | Nov 30 20:18 |
|---|
| neighborlee | _doug, not unless they can support a large display :) | Nov 30 20:18 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Using it to lure in through portability is something that wine and dotgnu already do | Nov 30 20:18 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Novell makes MonoDEVELOP | Nov 30 20:19 |
|---|
| _doug | At the same time, to keep others off the playing field, lets force the price up with Ip protention and patent litigation .. ? | Nov 30 20:19 |
|---|
| schestowitz | _doug: I saw some Android yesterday. My friend has one, [Borat voice]is nice....[/Borat voice] | Nov 30 20:19 |
|---|
| schestowitz | BillG hooks up with nathanm | Nov 30 20:20 |
|---|
| neighborlee | schestowitz, I guess that explains the troll comment about me :) < I was happy to carry the burden> | Nov 30 20:20 |
|---|
| _doug | Running on what ? | Nov 30 20:20 |
|---|
| schestowitz | BTW, _doug, if you look at Iowa material you'll see the nathanm is behind the deliberate vapourware tactcs. | Nov 30 20:20 |
|---|
| schestowitz | He's a vicious weasel. | Nov 30 20:21 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Running on Linux? Andrid you mean? Also Java VM.. | Nov 30 20:21 |
|---|
| _doug | Does Google realise yet, Android is violating 256 patents (counting from zero :) | Nov 30 20:21 |
|---|
| _doug | don't hate the sinner, hate the sin :) | Nov 30 20:22 |
|---|
| schestowitz | BS | Nov 30 20:22 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Remember Mr. Bilski? | Nov 30 20:22 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They have a mountain to climb. | Nov 30 20:22 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They fight armies of millions... they played with fire and got burned before. | Nov 30 20:23 |
|---|
| _doug | InterDigital hold 3G patents .. | Nov 30 20:23 |
|---|
| _doug | http://www.fiercebroadbandwireless.com/story/interdi... | Nov 30 20:23 |
|---|
| _doug | follow the patents .. :) | Nov 30 20:24 |
|---|
| _doug | UK government to patent GPS in India .. | Nov 30 20:25 |
|---|
| _doug | http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-uk-govt-seeks-... | Nov 30 20:25 |
|---|
| trmanco | anymore news on Mono entering KDE? | Nov 30 20:27 |
|---|
| _doug | re: InterDigital: given the information available in the patent, is this enough to create an actual device, and if not, how much more intellectual and monetary effort went into the Blackberry ? | Nov 30 20:27 |
|---|
| schestowitz | trmanco: I've caught up | Nov 30 20:28 |
|---|
| schestowitz | The libel ain't so bad. It used to be worse. All kinds of sex change lies... harassment though employers, ISPs, etc. | Nov 30 20:28 |
|---|
| schestowitz | _doug: BT gets swpatents in India too. | Nov 30 20:29 |
|---|
| schestowitz | trmanco: check the KDE thread. It expanded by the time I posted it. | Nov 30 20:29 |
|---|
| _doug | Fairchild Semiconductor Files Patent Infringement Lawsuit Against Infineon Technologies .. | Nov 30 20:29 |
|---|
| _doug | http://www.rttnews.com/Content/QuickFacts.aspx... | Nov 30 20:29 |
|---|
| schestowitz | The OP sort of apologised, but wanted to be 'counted' so to speak. | Nov 30 20:29 |
|---|
| _doug | remember when companies, had factories and made things :) | Nov 30 20:29 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "The UK government is seeking a patent in India for a defence invention called 'modulation signals for a satellite navigation system', which can measure satellite signals." | Nov 30 20:29 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Gordon is *that* miserable? | Nov 30 20:29 |
|---|
| schestowitz | now /govts/ get imaginary assets? | Nov 30 20:30 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Nothing learned for the mortgages fiasco?? | Nov 30 20:30 |
|---|
| schestowitz | zoobab hopefully takes note | Nov 30 20:30 |
|---|
| schestowitz | _doug: they still exist. They make things... paper money. | Nov 30 20:31 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They call it "knowledge workers" | Nov 30 20:31 |
|---|
| _doug | lets wait until someone makes something and then go after them, like RIM .. | Nov 30 20:31 |
|---|
| _doug | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry#RIM_p... | Nov 30 20:31 |
|---|
| schestowitz | As in, let the kids in Vietnam make shoes for 10 cents an hour and we'll look at schemas of feer and move it a millimeter to the left or tight | Nov 30 20:31 |
|---|
| schestowitz | .*right | Nov 30 20:32 |
|---|
| trmanco | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&... | Nov 30 20:32 |
|---|
| neighborlee | trmanco, nice find | Nov 30 20:33 |
|---|
| trmanco | neighborlee, this was on schestowitz's kde post | Nov 30 20:34 |
|---|
| trmanco | :-P | Nov 30 20:34 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Let me find a billg quote I have in mind. | Nov 30 20:34 |
|---|
| neighborlee | trmanco, so far replies look promising ;) | Nov 30 20:34 |
|---|
| trmanco | yes | Nov 30 20:35 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Found it. | Nov 30 20:35 |
|---|
| trmanco | I like the first one | Nov 30 20:35 |
|---|
| neighborlee | yup | Nov 30 20:35 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "“Get me into that and goddam, we’ll make so much money!" --Bill Gates | Nov 30 20:35 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Sonnds like something he would say to nathanm | Nov 30 20:35 |
|---|
| neighborlee | I have been a gnome guy for quite sometime, but that mono will stay out of kde is enough to sway me . | Nov 30 20:35 |
|---|
| _doug | 'Pact XPP' patent processor accelerator .. | Nov 30 20:36 |
|---|
| _doug | http://www.eetindia.co.in/ART_8800554589_1... | Nov 30 20:36 |
|---|
| _doug | "Pact has been focusing accelerators that plug into the processor socket of dual or quad processor motherboards to run multimedia applications such as video, audio, voice, and image transcoding" | Nov 30 20:36 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "Posted: 01 Dec 2008" | Nov 30 20:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Jesus! Must be a prediction | Nov 30 20:37 |
|---|
| _doug | "a reconfigurable highly parallel processor architecture" | Nov 30 20:38 |
|---|
| _doug | my point, there must be any number of ways of doing this .. I recall 'bit slicing' in relation to stacking processor chips, to get bigger performance ... | Nov 30 20:39 |
|---|
| _doug | Oh, I just noticed .. | Nov 30 20:39 |
|---|
| _doug | "filed a law suit ..in the Eastern District court of Texas" | Nov 30 20:39 |
|---|
| _doug | is that not the patent litigants friend ? | Nov 30 20:40 |
|---|
| neighborlee | http://techbase.kde.org/Developm... | Nov 30 20:40 |
|---|
| MinceR | schestowitz: it depends on the time zone :. | Nov 30 20:40 |
|---|
| MinceR | :>| | Nov 30 20:40 |
|---|
| MinceR | s/.$// | Nov 30 20:40 |
|---|
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I know. | Nov 30 20:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I was helf joking. | Nov 30 20:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Even if it was in Japan, quite early on Monday, no? | Nov 30 20:41 |
|---|
| MinceR | o. half-elf joking. | Nov 30 20:41 |
|---|
| MinceR | ;) | Nov 30 20:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Well, I am sloppy, that's all.. | Nov 30 20:42 |
|---|
| _doug | Isn't that where SCo goes to file, at the weekend, when the oppositions lawyers are on holiday ? | Nov 30 20:42 |
|---|
| MinceR | well, i tend to irc through midnight | Nov 30 20:42 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Like tossing some arbitrary ASCII art from a comment in Digg. | Nov 30 20:42 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They have good ASCII there where you can use Unicode to draw picture on _one_ line. | Nov 30 20:42 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Let me find example. | Nov 30 20:42 |
|---|
| MinceR | ^_^ | Nov 30 20:43 |
|---|
| schestowitz | http://digg.com/design/Complete_se... | Nov 30 20:43 |
|---|
| schestowitz | âââ¬⬆ââ⬠⬆ââ¬⬆ ⬆ ââââââ⬆âââ¬Ã¢â⬠⬆ ââââââ⬆âââ¬Ã¢â⬠ââââââ⬆âââ¬Ã¢â⬠âââ¬⬆ââ⬠⬆âââ⬆ ⬆ââ⬠⬆ âââ⬆ | Nov 30 20:43 |
|---|
| schestowitz | âââ¬Ã¢ââ¬⬆ ⬆⬆⬆ ⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆ ⬆âââ¬Ã¢â⬠| Nov 30 20:44 |
|---|
| schestowitz | ââââââ¬Ã¢ââ ⬆âââ⬆ ⬆âââ⬆âââ⬆ ⬆âââ⬆ | Nov 30 20:44 |
|---|
| schestowitz | âââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢â⬠âââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢â⬠âââ¬Ã¢âââââ¬Ã¢ââââ⬠ââ⬠| Nov 30 20:44 |
|---|
| MinceR | nice | Nov 30 20:44 |
|---|
| schestowitz | All Unicode | Nov 30 20:44 |
|---|
| schestowitz | ââÂâââ¡Ã¢âÂââŠâËâ¦Ã¢âÂââÂâââ¡Ã¢âÂââÅ | Nov 30 20:44 |
|---|
| schestowitz | brb | Nov 30 20:44 |
|---|
| _doug | Microsoft Technical Education Conference in Orlando .. | Nov 30 20:51 |
|---|
| _doug | http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-high-tech-... | Nov 30 20:51 |
|---|
| schestowitz | changing the report after vote (Microsoft): http://www.insidehighered.com/news/20... | Nov 30 20:57 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "That agreement was nearly imperiled last weekend, though. Gerri Elliott, corporate vice president at Microsoft’s Worldwide Public Sector division, sent an e-mail message to fellow commissioners Friday evening saying that she “vigorously” objected to a paragraph in which the panel embraced and encouraged the development of open source software and open content projects in higher education. The paragraph read like this:" | Nov 30 20:58 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Microsoft âË⦠Open Source, eh? | Nov 30 20:58 |
|---|
| schestowitz | ""There's been a lot of room for growth here," Reynolds said, adding that one of his 2008 highlights was attending the weakling Microsoft Technical Education Conference in Orlando, Fla., with Bill Gates as keynote speaker." How did you find this? | Nov 30 20:59 |
|---|
| _doug | Is this an old shuffle, wait until the consultancy phase is over, and then find fault with the report .. | Nov 30 20:59 |
|---|
| _doug | Didn't thy pull this one a while back ? | Nov 30 21:00 |
|---|
| _doug | "It is certainly a surprise entry and was absolutely never discussed in any of the meetings I attended" | Nov 30 21:00 |
|---|
| _doug | She never read the interm reports ? | Nov 30 21:01 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Busy. | Nov 30 21:01 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Doign bizNiz(C) | Nov 30 21:01 |
|---|
| trmanco | Yahoo Said to Deny Plans for Selling Search Business (Update1): http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2... | Nov 30 21:01 |
|---|
| trmanco | hahaha | Nov 30 21:01 |
|---|
| _doug | Can you find the citation Roy, this one reads like a carbon copy .. | Nov 30 21:02 |
|---|
| trmanco | Yahoo Said to Have No Plans to Sell Internet Search Business to Microsoft - Better title | Nov 30 21:02 |
|---|
| _doug | 'A few hours later, just after midnight on Saturday, Charles Miller, the panel’s chairman, wrote in an e-mail that he believed Elliott’s proposed changes were “an improvement and consistent with the work of the commission.” He said the panel would make the changes “if there are no objections.' | Nov 30 21:02 |
|---|
| _doug | "Richard Stephens .. Boeing .. questioned whether it was appropriate to substantively change the draft the commissioners agreed to in August" | Nov 30 21:03 |
|---|
| _doug | trmanco: we did the Yahoo/MS deal a while back .. | Nov 30 21:03 |
|---|
| trmanco | today? | Nov 30 21:04 |
|---|
| _doug | So, Elliott never noticed the reference to Open Source, all the way back to August :) | Nov 30 21:04 |
|---|
| _doug | Microshuffle: wait until the vote is in and then get the text retrospectivly altered, preferably at midnight of the last day .. :) | Nov 30 21:05 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Microshuffle? | Nov 30 21:09 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Sounds like Microbuntu. | Nov 30 21:09 |
|---|
| _doug | Wasn't it was the ODF v 'Open XML' committee, the vote was in and later on the policy document got changed ? | Nov 30 21:09 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I'm not too fond of Canonical. But we have bigger issues, IMHO. Canonical is not playing with swpatents and Microsoft. | Nov 30 21:09 |
|---|
| trmanco | Microsoft-Yahoo deal "total fiction:" report: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNew... | Nov 30 21:09 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Boeing = Seattle, WA, no? ish? | Nov 30 21:10 |
|---|
| neighborlee | schestowitz, I presume this is old news, still Id never seen it , hey im busy and got into the whole debate reasonably recently ;) | Nov 30 21:11 |
|---|
| schestowitz | _doug: which text? | Nov 30 21:11 |
|---|
| schestowitz | MA? | Nov 30 21:11 |
|---|
| neighborlee | wa | Nov 30 21:11 |
|---|
| neighborlee | been there,, seen it ;) | Nov 30 21:11 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Massachusetts. | Nov 30 21:11 |
|---|
| neighborlee | schestowitz, url would have helped o_0: http://www.mail-archive.com/foundatio... | Nov 30 21:13 |
|---|
| schestowitz | RMS: "The more "cool stuff" depends on Mono, the closer we get to a situation where a Microsoft attack on Mono would put GNOME in a vice." | Nov 30 21:14 |
|---|
| neighborlee | yup | Nov 30 21:14 |
|---|
| schestowitz | RMS on "cool stuff" (in scare quotes?) | Nov 30 21:14 |
|---|
| neighborlee | no | Nov 30 21:14 |
|---|
| schestowitz | American style quotes? | Nov 30 21:14 |
|---|
| neighborlee | im sureyou've seen that | Nov 30 21:14 |
|---|
| neighborlee | the url I just posted | Nov 30 21:14 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Cool as in cold. | Nov 30 21:14 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Like SweatyB | Nov 30 21:14 |
|---|
| MinceR | time for FSF to start a new Free Software project to replace Gnome ;) | Nov 30 21:14 |
|---|
| _doug | Who attended the SC 34 meeting in July? | Nov 30 21:15 |
|---|
| _doug | Bergius Kimmo Microsoft, Jaeschke Rex Microsoft, Mahugh Doug Microsoft, Opota Wemba Microsoft, Paoli Jean Microsoft, Roberts Brett Microsoft, Valet-Harper Microsoft, Welsh Dave, Microsoft ... | Nov 30 21:15 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Mr. Cold SweAT. :-) | Nov 30 21:15 |
|---|
| neighborlee | MinceR, I think so yes | Nov 30 21:15 |
|---|
| _doug | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.ph... | Nov 30 21:15 |
|---|
| MinceR | (i hope you see the irony in that) | Nov 30 21:15 |
|---|
| schestowitz | _doug: it's not over | Nov 30 21:15 |
|---|
| neighborlee | MinceR, I do | Nov 30 21:15 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They have another 'stuffer' coming. | Nov 30 21:15 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They took over with their cronies. | Nov 30 21:15 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Like an army of ants. | Nov 30 21:15 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Ants and lemmings crawling for dolla'z | Nov 30 21:16 |
|---|
| neighborlee | lol | Nov 30 21:16 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Remember elephant in the room? | Nov 30 21:16 |
|---|
| neighborlee | :) | Nov 30 21:16 |
|---|
| _doug | "It is certainly a surprise entry and was absolutely never discussed in any of the meetings I attended," | Nov 30 21:16 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Bunch of criminals: http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008/... | Nov 30 21:16 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "If you thought that a Technical Committee meeting cannot get more bizarre, think again. Today was the final meet for SIRIM's Technical Committee for E-Commerce (TC4) to decide on the fate of the OOXML with respect to Malaysia's interests. | Nov 30 21:17 |
|---|
| schestowitz | " | Nov 30 21:17 |
|---|
| schestowitz | "So anyway, I find out, from the business card, that Doug is representing our friends from IASA! He even has a business card and all! Sure, IASA is an international body for software architects, but Doug Mahugh is actually a VP for IASA, specifically, for Malaysia!" | Nov 30 21:17 |
|---|
| _doug | Rey, could you find any sources as to what was discussed at the meetings, who attended, who got the minutes, and the time line | Nov 30 21:17 |
|---|
| _doug | gtg .. | Nov 30 21:17 |
|---|
| neighborlee | schestowitz, nice to see odf support and open standards so proudly displayed. | Nov 30 21:17 |
|---|
| *_doug has quit () | Nov 30 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Alex and cronies deny the SC34 thing. | Nov 30 21:18 |
|---|
| schestowitz | _doug's gone | Nov 30 21:18 |
|---|
| neighborlee | they have near zero credibility or they surely should..their tactics are often infantile and I suspect are viewed as such. | Nov 30 21:21 |
|---|
| neighborlee | I dont know if its going to last, but its sure interesting to see fedora maintain #1 spot at DW, I didn't see that coming. | Nov 30 21:21 |
|---|
| schestowitz | It's normal | Nov 30 21:21 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Release time. Hype and curiousity | Nov 30 21:22 |
|---|
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE will be #1 in 3 weeks. | Nov 30 21:22 |
|---|
| schestowitz | (momentarily) | Nov 30 21:22 |
|---|
| neighborlee | ive seen that yes,but it usually doesnt last quite that long, and I dont think fedora ever went to #1 as a result of said hype. | Nov 30 21:22 |
|---|
| schestowitz | DW is getting a makeover. | Nov 30 21:22 |
|---|
| neighborlee | if it did I missed it ;) | Nov 30 21:22 |
|---|
| neighborlee | hm ic | Nov 30 21:22 |
|---|
| neighborlee | honestly I think its long overdue..stats need to be on something more than just 'clicks' | Nov 30 21:23 |
|---|
| neighborlee | how about 'its what I use, since oh ..6 months or so and here is why kinda thing ;) | Nov 30 21:23 |
|---|
| schestowitz | neighborlee: it's gamed | Nov 30 21:31 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Linspire was caught gaming it. Ladislav told them off. Well, Linspire is dead now. | Nov 30 21:31 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I just wrote to him. Some time ago he wrote about our site. Although it was critical, it was appreciated, but it is also important to appreciate and be aware of the dangers Novell poses. Neglecting to explain this to people is, in my humble, lulling them into sleep, inside a trap. | Nov 30 21:35 |
|---|
| *twitter (n=willhill@ip72-203-149-158.br.br.cox.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 21:36 |
| twitter | Anything new today? | Nov 30 21:37 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Yahoo news... | Nov 30 21:39 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Lots of Microsoft stuff too, so I'm posting about it now. | Nov 30 21:39 |
|---|
| twitter | I saw a little about Yahoo sliding into M$'s open fist. | Nov 30 21:41 |
|---|
| schestowitz | It's still like a hard-to play love affair. | Nov 30 21:44 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Yahoo is already under siege. | Nov 30 21:44 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Microsoft might just remote-control them, it's cheaper than buying. | Nov 30 21:45 |
|---|
| twitter | Slogged out, one way or another. Remote control will be directed at fucking over free software users and destruction of the company. | Nov 30 21:48 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They were promoting Firefox3 recently. | Nov 30 21:50 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I wrote about this in a combined post about Microsofties taking positions of power in the company | Nov 30 21:51 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I fail to pack all the hard evidence in one single post and I doubt people chase all the links I provide. | Nov 30 21:51 |
|---|
| twitter | I'm reading it now. Everyone not attached to M$'s hip should be promoting FF, SVG, video tags, etc. | Nov 30 21:52 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I've watch this whole thing (Yahoo-Microsoft) since 2006 or 2007 ... Semel days.. it's clear what Microsoft is trying to achieve. | Nov 30 21:52 |
|---|
| schestowitz | It was close to sticking it to Google by having it share market with Yahoo | Nov 30 21:52 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Same in VMware btw | Nov 30 21:53 |
|---|
| twitter | Visiting M$ using relatives reinforced my hate of Winblows. XP is slow, virus infested garbage despite my brother's heroic efforts. | Nov 30 21:54 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Heroin.. | Nov 30 22:00 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Efforts | Nov 30 22:00 |
|---|
| *neighborlee has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Nov 30 22:16 |
| *ReverseGTR (n=ReverseG@ool-44c46c4b.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 22:54 |
| *_trmanco (i=trmanco@208.53.179.103) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 23:16 |
| *trmanco has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Nov 30 23:17 |
| *_trmanco is now known as trmanco | Nov 30 23:17 |
| *PetoKraus (n=pk@cpc3-broo2-0-0-cust711.renf.cable.ntl.com) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 23:27 |
| twitter | I've decided that I really don't like Facebook. | Nov 30 23:46 |
|---|
| twitter | The idea is nice but they have sold the users out to employers and made it simple to libel people. | Nov 30 23:46 |
|---|
| schestowitz | How so? | Nov 30 23:47 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I never liked FB | Nov 30 23:47 |
|---|
| schestowitz | The guys are pals of Microsoft | Nov 30 23:47 |
|---|
| twitter | Someone who knows your private details can publish fake pages for you as a private profile. | Nov 30 23:47 |
|---|
| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: My Space dawg My Space | Nov 30 23:47 |
|---|
| twitter | Employers see it but you are blindsided. | Nov 30 23:47 |
|---|
| schestowitz | ReverseGTR: same problem | Nov 30 23:47 |
|---|
| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: then still with Xanga | Nov 30 23:48 |
|---|
| schestowitz | It's what's called by Schmidt "cesspool", I imagine. | Nov 30 23:48 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Even my 12-y-o sister has a 'site' | Nov 30 23:48 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Lotsa junk in one place. | Nov 30 23:48 |
|---|
| schestowitz | And then there's that recent only harassment/suicide case. | Nov 30 23:48 |
|---|
| twitter | It's not reliable. | Nov 30 23:48 |
|---|
| schestowitz | /s/oly/online/ | Nov 30 23:49 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Some people do this to teachers. | Nov 30 23:49 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Anonymity permits this. | Nov 30 23:49 |
|---|
| ReverseGTR | I will brb | Nov 30 23:49 |
|---|
| *ReverseGTR (n=ReverseG@ool-44c46c4b.dyn.optonline.net) has left #boycottnovell | Nov 30 23:49 |
| twitter | Botnets permit anonymity to criminals. The recent MySpace case criminalizes anonymity, PJ wrote an interesting piece about it today. | Nov 30 23:50 |
|---|
| *RevGTR (n=me@ool-44c46c4b.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 30 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I didn't read about it. | Nov 30 23:51 |
|---|
| schestowitz | But Pj uses proxies. | Nov 30 23:51 |
|---|
| RevGTR | I guess my nick is ghosting | Nov 30 23:51 |
|---|
| RevGTR | schestowitz: whats Pj? | Nov 30 23:52 |
|---|
| schestowitz | RevGTR: never mind the name changes. PJ = Groklaw editor | Nov 30 23:52 |
|---|
| schestowitz | There's too much easy spying these days. | Nov 30 23:52 |
|---|
| MinceR | gn | Nov 30 23:53 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I mean, I could probably find out your home address. | Nov 30 23:53 |
|---|
| twitter | With facebook, there is also easy libel. | Nov 30 23:53 |
|---|
| schestowitz | The Munchkins use zombie PCs | Nov 30 23:53 |
|---|
| schestowitz | They try to hide the footprints. | Nov 30 23:53 |
|---|
| RevGTR | schestowitz: well you can probably find the node I am connected to which is about 15 minutes away from me | Nov 30 23:53 |
|---|
| twitter | I want people to know my home address and I publish lots of other details about myself. | Nov 30 23:53 |
|---|
| RevGTR | schestowitz: it would take more then a DNS and IP address to pinpoint someone's location | Nov 30 23:54 |
|---|
| schestowitz | twitter: makes life easier, don't it [sic] | Nov 30 23:54 |
|---|
| twitter | If the internet is to be free, it has to allow people to reveal the things they wish without revealing things they don't. | Nov 30 23:54 |
|---|
| schestowitz | In this studio apartment I'm working from the IP is fixed | Nov 30 23:54 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Same with my machine at work. It can be tracked trivially. | Nov 30 23:54 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I put my IPs up on the Web site | Nov 30 23:55 |
|---|
| RevGTR | schestowitz: has anyone knocked at your door claiming they know you from this channel or website? | Nov 30 23:55 |
|---|
| schestowitz | This was never a secret. You can find my IPs under "addresses" in my homepage. It's a form of disclosure. | Nov 30 23:55 |
|---|
| twitter | All of that is why the libel angle bugs me more than the rest. | Nov 30 23:55 |
|---|
| schestowitz | No, I get security here, RevGTR | Nov 30 23:55 |
|---|
| schestowitz | People like RMS and Chomsky get good protection on campus as well. | Nov 30 23:56 |
|---|
| schestowitz | I'd dread living in a loose apartment somewhere. | Nov 30 23:56 |
|---|
| twitter | People should have a way to share their experiences with each other without fear. | Nov 30 23:56 |
|---|
| schestowitz | Remember that hounds are willing to fly to your house. | Nov 30 23:56 |
|---|
| twitter | FB does not provide that because FB sells out. | Nov 30 23:56 |
|---|
| schestowitz | MOG-Groklaw incident... | Nov 30 23:56 |
|---|
| schestowitz | twitter: if people are transparent it doesn't make others equally sao. | Nov 30 23:57 |
|---|
| schestowitz | *so | Nov 30 23:57 |
|---|
| twitter | right | Nov 30 23:57 |
|---|
| schestowitz | It's not a case of "here are my weapons, show me yours" | Nov 30 23:57 |
|---|
| twitter | FB is not transparent | Nov 30 23:57 |
|---|
| schestowitz | My cousin on Davie says the Web is "like the Wild West" | Nov 30 23:57 |
|---|
| schestowitz | He occasionally finds libel about me. | Nov 30 23:58 |
|---|
| twitter | Employers should not trust FB libel. | Nov 30 23:58 |
|---|
| RevGTR | schestowitz: yea, but it is not like they know everything about you. They just spread pure fud | Nov 30 23:58 |
|---|
| twitter | You misspelled malicious lie. | Nov 30 23:58 |
|---|
| twitter | Employers who trust what they find on FB are idiots. | Nov 30 23:59 |
|---|
| twitter | It's just too easy to abuse with private profiles. | Nov 30 23:59 |
|---|
