IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 2nd, 2008 - Part 1

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2008-12-03 11:44:54 UTC
Modified: 2008-12-03 11:44:54 UTC

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wispy	hello roy!	Dec 02 00:36
schestowitz	Hey!	Dec 02 00:36
wispy	how was your day? :)	Dec 02 00:36
wispy	it was warm for me	Dec 02 00:37
schestowitz	Snow here.	Dec 02 00:37
wispy	it snows every year on my birthday	Dec 02 00:37
wispy	nice gift	Dec 02 00:37
schestowitz	Digg has been slow for UNIX/Linux.	Dec 02 00:37
wispy	i just came back today	Dec 02 00:37
schestowitz	Only about 2 stories promoted/day	Dec 02 00:37
wispy	yes it is	Dec 02 00:37
wispy	darn	Dec 02 00:38
schestowitz	It used to be 5-7 per day	Dec 02 00:38
schestowitz	It has 'moods'	Dec 02 00:38
wispy	back in 2006?	Dec 02 00:38
schestowitz	The shills ruin it too	Dec 02 00:38
wispy	:(	Dec 02 00:38
schestowitz	2006 was very different.	Dec 02 00:38
schestowitz	2007 was not /too/bad.	Dec 02 00:38
wispy	i remember 2007, it was much better	Dec 02 00:38
schestowitz	In 2006 I could make 5 front pages per day. Then Netscape nabbed me.	Dec 02 00:38
wispy	propeller	Dec 02 00:39
schestowitz	Now it's called Propeller	Dec 02 00:39
wispy	should i join/	Dec 02 00:39
wispy	i thought so	Dec 02 00:39
schestowitz	I don't know... shills don't exist there	Dec 02 00:39
wispy	is there some kind of firewall? ;)	Dec 02 00:39
wispy	jk	Dec 02 00:39
schestowitz	One of my stalkers came there and they banned his prompto	Dec 02 00:39
schestowitz	*him	Dec 02 00:39
schestowitz	The trolls come wherever they can do harm	Dec 02 00:40
wispy	you are a celebrity, roy hehe	Dec 02 00:40
schestowitz	Slashdot,. Digg... it's like locust..	Dec 02 00:40
wispy	having all these stalkers	Dec 02 00:40
schestowitz	Find a good pro-Linux sites, embrace, extend and ruin...	Dec 02 00:40
wispy	aww	Dec 02 00:40
schestowitz	brb	Dec 02 00:40
wispy	ok :)	Dec 02 00:40
*schestowitz back		Dec 02 00:43
wispy	hey :D	Dec 02 00:43
schestowitz	So anyway, I have these posts coming.	Dec 02 00:43
wispy	for bn?	Dec 02 00:43
schestowitz	One of them is about Novell, but I need other people to approach this too.	Dec 02 00:44
schestowitz	Yes, I hardly write elsewhere.	Dec 02 00:44
wispy	cool	Dec 02 00:44
schestowitz	I upgraded two blogs yesterday.. for security reasons.	Dec 02 00:44
wispy	i saw your articles for an IT site	Dec 02 00:44
wispy	good idea	Dec 02 00:44
schestowitz	Which site?	Dec 02 00:44
wispy	earthweb, something like that	Dec 02 00:44
schestowitz	I no longer write for them... I don't want to.	Dec 02 00:45
schestowitz	I don't like editorship	Dec 02 00:45
wispy	oh ok, didn't know that	Dec 02 00:45
schestowitz	They water down my allegations	Dec 02 00:45
schestowitz	Things can can say:	Dec 02 00:45
wispy	censorship!	Dec 02 00:45
schestowitz	*UNIX is dying	Dec 02 00:45
schestowitz	*Wintel=good	Dec 02 00:45
wispy	ugh lol	Dec 02 00:45
wispy	i liked your RMS interview	Dec 02 00:45
schestowitz	*"Linux" is having challenges	Dec 02 00:45
schestowitz	Things not to say:	Dec 02 00:46
schestowitz	*Microsoft has connections with SCO	Dec 02 00:46
schestowitz	*Novell is a vassal of Microsoft	Dec 02 00:46
schestowitz	*Microsoft is run by vicious people	Dec 02 00:46
wispy	basically you can't say the truth, huh	Dec 02 00:46
schestowitz	*Microsoft is only faking being nice	Dec 02 00:46
schestowitz	wispy: truth is relative	Dec 02 00:47
wispy	ok	Dec 02 00:47
schestowitz	It's manufactured	Dec 02 00:47
schestowitz	Same in politics.	Dec 02 00:47
wispy	the ministry of truth	Dec 02 00:47
MinceR	you could try to write a negative article	Dec 02 00:47
wispy	but there is objective info	Dec 02 00:47
schestowitz	If I say Khadaffi (spelling?) is a terrorist, that's OK	Dec 02 00:47
schestowitz	If I say that George Bush commits war crimes, I must provide lots of evidence.	Dec 02 00:47
MinceR	"In our world where water is dry and the sky is green, it's important to know that Microsoft isn't a vicious company trying to take over the IT industry again, no Sir!"	Dec 02 00:47
wispy	true schestowitz	Dec 02 00:48
MinceR	technically, it does fit the above list	Dec 02 00:48
schestowitz	It's taken for granted that certain truths have already been manufactured	Dec 02 00:48
wispy	hi mince	Dec 02 00:48
MinceR	(though somehow i feel they wouldn't like it anyway)	Dec 02 00:48
schestowitz	To say "Windows is declining" is hard	Dec 02 00:48
MinceR	hay wispy	Dec 02 00:48
schestowitz	Because Wintel press sets 'standards' i n truths	Dec 02 00:48
schestowitz	standard: "Microsoft is rich"	Dec 02 00:48
schestowitz	Reality: "Microsoft is entering debt"	Dec 02 00:48
wispy	is their stock going down?	Dec 02 00:48
schestowitz	standard: "Linux is nowhere near 1%"	Dec 02 00:48
schestowitz	Reality: "Linux quietly dominated servers and grows quickly on desktops in developing countries"	Dec 02 00:49
schestowitz	Standard: "Linux is hard"	Dec 02 00:49
wispy	linux is not hard to use; i didn't need anyone holding my hand..	Dec 02 00:49
schestowitz	Reality: "Anyone tried installing Windows recently?"	Dec 02 00:49
wispy	you need all these crazy drivers	Dec 02 00:49
schestowitz	Yes, MSFT is down today	Dec 02 00:50
schestowitz	And they buy back shares	Dec 02 00:50
wispy	so should people sell?	Dec 02 00:50
schestowitz	Sell..?	Dec 02 00:50
schestowitz	Yes.	Dec 02 00:50
wispy	some stockholders are clueless	Dec 02 00:50
schestowitz	If only I could convince people.	Dec 02 00:50
wispy	they don't have access to this info	Dec 02 00:50
schestowitz	Some of them go down with the ship that's wall street.	Dec 02 00:50
schestowitz	Sheep down with the ship	Dec 02 00:50
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schestowitz	Well, they have CNBC and Bloomberg	Dec 02 00:51
MinceR	015843 <@schestowitz> Reality: "Anyone tried installing Windows recently?"	Dec 02 00:51
MinceR	i've tried	Dec 02 00:51
schestowitz	So they think they are well equiped.	Dec 02 00:51
wispy	i got some internship offers even though finance is looking bad	Dec 02 00:51
MinceR	it was a 5 day torture	Dec 02 00:51
schestowitz	Uber analysts and Kramer-type personas	Dec 02 00:51
MinceR	as the installer CD crashed as long as it saw my partition table	Dec 02 00:51
wispy	oh dear lol	Dec 02 00:51
MinceR	without any error message	Dec 02 00:51
schestowitz	"Buy! Sell! You're smart! I'm rich! Let's make $$$!!"	Dec 02 00:51
MinceR	just a black screen and the hdd led left on	Dec 02 00:51
MinceR	(that's xp)	Dec 02 00:52
wispy	thats crazy, roy haah	Dec 02 00:52
schestowitz	Best of Windows	Dec 02 00:52
wispy	yikes, mince	Dec 02 00:52
schestowitz	Vista is for ricers	Dec 02 00:52
MinceR	s/as long/as soon/	Dec 02 00:52
wispy	lol	Dec 02 00:52
MinceR	the solution was to back up the partition table, delete all partitions except the ntfs one, install, then restore the backup	Dec 02 00:52
schestowitz	How'd ya like your Vista, PUNK!?	Dec 02 00:52
wispy	i got vista with my lappy, i switched to ubuntu soon after	Dec 02 00:53
schestowitz	Seriously now, they f* it up every month or so with bad patches.	Dec 02 00:53
wispy	my friend installed SP1, and it froze her computer	Dec 02 00:53
schestowitz	Lots of people gave up when patches that are critical rendered it unbootable.	Dec 02 00:53
schestowitz	Typical	Dec 02 00:53
schestowitz	I heard of 2/3 failure rate	Dec 02 00:53
wispy	yes, she had to reformat	Dec 02 00:54
MinceR	oh, and i had to get an install image with a hacked-in sata driver	Dec 02 00:54
schestowitz	They nuke it off people's PCs	Dec 02 00:54
wispy	hah	Dec 02 00:54
MinceR	because in microsoft world, hardware support is something that happens to other people.	Dec 02 00:54
schestowitz	They lost the Windows programmers... now it's just temployees	Dec 02 00:54
wispy	tough	Dec 02 00:54
wispy	linux has good hardware support	Dec 02 00:54
wispy	i never had any connectivity problems	Dec 02 00:55
MinceR	linux has the best hw support of all OS-es	Dec 02 00:55
wispy	ye;	Dec 02 00:55
wispy	yep*	Dec 02 00:55
MinceR	also, it works out of the box	Dec 02 00:55
MinceR	on windows, prepare to spend another day on installing drivers	Dec 02 00:55
wispy	very convenient	Dec 02 00:55
MinceR	yeah	Dec 02 00:55
wispy	:)	Dec 02 00:55
MinceR	especially while some wizard keeps popping up and offering to find a driver for me	Dec 02 00:55
MinceR	even though i know it won't	Dec 02 00:55
wispy	clippy! :P	Dec 02 00:55
wispy	he pops up a lot	Dec 02 00:55
wispy	i kinda liked him when i was little	Dec 02 00:56
schestowitz	I tried several distributions on 3 PCs that I ahve.	Dec 02 00:56
schestowitz	In all cases, without exception*, everything worked automagically	Dec 02 00:56
wispy	oooooh	Dec 02 00:57
wispy	have you used debian lately, roy?	Dec 02 00:57
schestowitz	*In one case, Ubuntu 5.0x failed to pick up the sound card volume controller properly, but that was minor... on one PC only.	Dec 02 00:57
schestowitz	No Debian, no... I was going to.	Dec 02 00:57
wispy	awwww i feel left out lol	Dec 02 00:58
wispy	jk	Dec 02 00:58
schestowitz	You have Woody and Sid	Dec 02 00:58
wispy	etch is my friend	Dec 02 00:58
schestowitz	Soon Lenny will come.	Dec 02 00:58
wispy	i'd like to meet him	Dec 02 00:58
wispy	hehe	Dec 02 00:58
schestowitz	He should be stable	Dec 02 00:58
schestowitz	He has no viruses.	Dec 02 00:59
wispy	i hope he's a stable guy	Dec 02 00:59
wispy	good :)	Dec 02 00:59
*schestowitz BTW I should point out wispy is a female		Dec 02 00:59
wispy	yes i am	Dec 02 00:59
schestowitz	It's probably not obvious.	Dec 02 00:59
wispy	yeah most people when i chat with them can't tell	Dec 02 01:00
schestowitz	Not 'bot female'	Dec 02 01:00
wispy	oh no	Dec 02 01:00
schestowitz	Like the joke goes in social networks.	Dec 02 01:00
schestowitz	If female, then must be SEO spammer	Dec 02 01:00
wispy	they friend so many people then spam them	Dec 02 01:00
wispy	that's why i never friend chicks	Dec 02 01:01
wispy	i have to know them personally	Dec 02 01:01
wispy	i check to see if they have good comments	Dec 02 01:01
wispy	then i friend them	Dec 02 01:02
schestowitz	Good comments?	Dec 02 01:02
schestowitz	Like what?	Dec 02 01:02
wispy	not random comments like " good blog!"	Dec 02 01:02
schestowitz	"Hi, I am looking for new friends"	Dec 02 01:02
wispy	something worthwhile	Dec 02 01:02
wispy	lol roy	Dec 02 01:02
schestowitz	Or "Hi, I'm bored"	Dec 02 01:02
wispy	hehe	Dec 02 01:02
schestowitz	Or "My father has inherited $10,000,000 and I am stranded in Ghana..."	Dec 02 01:02
wispy	eww	Dec 02 01:02
wispy	haha silly scammers	Dec 02 01:03
MinceR	gn	Dec 02 01:03
schestowitz	gn	Dec 02 01:03
wispy	i did get a nigerian email, but it was obvious that it was fake	Dec 02 01:03
wispy	going to bed?	Dec 02 01:04
schestowitz	Me? No.	Dec 02 01:04
schestowitz	I post to USENET	Dec 02 01:04
schestowitz	Multi-tasking.	Dec 02 01:04
wispy	see ya mince	Dec 02 01:04
wispy	oops i dodnt see mince type gn	Dec 02 01:04
wispy	i multitask too	Dec 02 01:04
schestowitz	What with?	Dec 02 01:05
schestowitz	When I write I must do this.	Dec 02 01:05
schestowitz	To proofread you must blank the mind.	Dec 02 01:05
wispy	i don't use anything special, but i mt with my homework	Dec 02 01:05
wispy	sounds like a zen saying, roy	Dec 02 01:05
wispy	haha	Dec 02 01:05
wispy	"To proofread you must blank the mind."	Dec 02 01:05
schestowitz	Well...	Dec 02 01:06
schestowitz	I wrote that hastily.	Dec 02 01:06
schestowitz	I still love writing when it's a flow of thoughts..	Dec 02 01:06
schestowitz	As in here.	Dec 02 01:06
schestowitz	Going through text and improving it is often wasteful.	Dec 02 01:06
wispy	like a stream of consciousness	Dec 02 01:06
PetoKraus	yeah, i do that as well	Dec 02 01:06
schestowitz	And yet, a necessity if you treat the reader well.	Dec 02 01:07
wispy	yeah i hate proofreading	Dec 02 01:07
wispy	sup petrokraus	Dec 02 01:07
schestowitz	It also need concentration.	Dec 02 01:07
schestowitz	*needs	Dec 02 01:07
PetoKraus	though i tend to write stuff on the first time and then just correct the grammzor	Dec 02 01:07
wispy	you have great posts with good grammer, roy	Dec 02 01:07
schestowitz	Where?	Dec 02 01:07
PetoKraus	i guess i feel when I'm being lengthy	Dec 02 01:07
wispy	here, silly :D	Dec 02 01:07
wispy	thats cool peto	Dec 02 01:08
PetoKraus	anyway, good night	Dec 02 01:08
PetoKraus	i need to get myself in shape	Dec 02 01:08
wispy	see ya!	Dec 02 01:08
PetoKraus	thursday i went to sleep at 5, friday at 4:30, saturday at 2:00, sunday at midnight and today at 1:15	Dec 02 01:09
PetoKraus	waking up at 8 every day	Dec 02 01:09
wispy	i have a wacky sleep schedule too, i blame college	Dec 02 01:09
PetoKraus	which is roy's normal schedule, but i tend to sleep healthy 8 hours a day ;)	Dec 02 01:09
wispy	i have to get up at 7:30 tomorrow	Dec 02 01:09
schestowitz	Hehe.	Dec 02 01:09
wispy	nice, peto	Dec 02 01:09
schestowitz	I used to have weird sleeping patterns.	Dec 02 01:09
schestowitz	In 2004 I was waking up at about 4 AM	Dec 02 01:10
PetoKraus	man, work at saturday was pain	Dec 02 01:10
schestowitz	2005 it was like 2 AM, I think	Dec 02 01:10
wispy	wow!	Dec 02 01:10
PetoKraus	i was falling asleep while typing new jobs in the database xD	Dec 02 01:10
schestowitz	In 2007 waking up at 10 PM was common... sometimes 7PM	Dec 02 01:10
wispy	do you use SQL, peto?	Dec 02 01:10
schestowitz	Now I'm back to 'normal'	Dec 02 01:10
PetoKraus	wispy: it was sage	Dec 02 01:10
wispy	omg really roy?	Dec 02 01:10
schestowitz	Where normal means other people's norm	Dec 02 01:10
PetoKraus	wispy: at work we use bollocks software	Dec 02 01:10
wispy	cool, peto	Dec 02 01:10
wispy	hah	Dec 02 01:10
PetoKraus	though I'm using MySQL on my page	Dec 02 01:10
PetoKraus	i don't like it	Dec 02 01:11
schestowitz	No?	Dec 02 01:11
schestowitz	Why not?	Dec 02 01:11
PetoKraus	i don't like the idea of "something managing your data"	Dec 02 01:11
schestowitz	It hardly fails.	Dec 02 01:11
wispy	i'm trying to learn MySQL	Dec 02 01:11
wispy	for business majors, it's a plus if you know it	Dec 02 01:11
PetoKraus	there's the hassle of ... you need to be cautious about encoding	Dec 02 01:11
PetoKraus	you need to be cautious about injections	Dec 02 01:11
schestowitz	PetoKraus: so get the data file uncompressed, flatten it.	Dec 02 01:11
wispy	if you're really anal, i guess mysql is okay	Dec 02 01:11
wispy	or a perfectionist	Dec 02 01:12
PetoKraus	:)	Dec 02 01:12
PetoKraus	i just don't like to bother with settings	Dec 02 01:12
PetoKraus	i use plain files for both click counter AND comment systems	Dec 02 01:12
wispy	do you like the gui while working with databases?	Dec 02 01:12
PetoKraus	just because I don't like the idea of sanitizing of the input	Dec 02 01:12
PetoKraus	wispy: yes, phpmyadmin xD	Dec 02 01:13
wispy	cool hehe	Dec 02 01:13
wispy	i want to use python with MySQL; do they work well together?	Dec 02 01:13
PetoKraus	i feel it's safer to pipe the output of a form into a file, which will be displayed in HTML, than to pipe it trough mysql, which needs "addslashes" protection	Dec 02 01:13
PetoKraus	wispy: python is easy to use, i'd say yes	Dec 02 01:14
wispy	yipee :)	Dec 02 01:14
PetoKraus	though I did quite a bit of PHP + Mysql	Dec 02 01:14
PetoKraus	lately	Dec 02 01:14
wispy	yeah i almost started learning php, then i started with python	Dec 02 01:14
PetoKraus	and my friend wants me to help him on a code in c++	Dec 02 01:14
schestowitz	Google uses a lot of python.	Dec 02 01:14
wispy	and YT!	Dec 02 01:14
schestowitz	So ti's a good skill to have,.	Dec 02 01:14
wispy	youtube	Dec 02 01:14
schestowitz	Perl too	Dec 02 01:14
schestowitz	and bash	Dec 02 01:15
wispy	can python replace bash?	Dec 02 01:15
schestowitz	I did some interviews with them (beyond a first)	Dec 02 01:15
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 02 01:15
PetoKraus	it can, it's a bit cumbersome though	Dec 02 01:15
wispy	hmm python is really multipurpose	Dec 02 01:15
schestowitz	For system calls it's different	Dec 02 01:15
wispy	oh ok peto	Dec 02 01:15
wispy	cool roy	Dec 02 01:15
PetoKraus	perl is really better to do scripts than python	Dec 02 01:15
PetoKraus	python is more for "wee widgets"	Dec 02 01:16
wispy	ok i'll try learning that too	Dec 02 01:16
PetoKraus	pygtk is amazingly easy to do	Dec 02 01:16
PetoKraus	java's GUI design using swing can just die	Dec 02 01:16
wispy	lol :D	Dec 02 01:16
PetoKraus	i wouldn't be able to do a thing without netbeans	Dec 02 01:17
PetoKraus	in Java	Dec 02 01:17
PetoKraus	with python... it's easy. And if it isn't you can still use glade...	Dec 02 01:17
wispy	in Advanced placement calculus (back in high school), i knew a boy who loved java. he was really smart	Dec 02 01:17
PetoKraus	our class collectively hates java	Dec 02 01:17
wispy	thx for the info peto	Dec 02 01:17
wispy	on java & python	Dec 02 01:18
PetoKraus	just because we were running it on PIII machines with BlueJ IDE	Dec 02 01:18
wispy	what are the criticisms of java?	Dec 02 01:18
wispy	i heard the financial indutry uses it a lot	Dec 02 01:18
wispy	so i was considering learning it	Dec 02 01:18
PetoKraus	well, if you can get a T2 Ultrasparc....	Dec 02 01:18
PetoKraus	it's pretty fast on that.	Dec 02 01:18
wispy	cool	Dec 02 01:19
PetoKraus	it's industry standard	Dec 02 01:19
wispy	c++ is loved with financial programmers, too	Dec 02 01:19
schestowitz	Java is the #1 p/l	Dec 02 01:19
schestowitz	by a big gap	Dec 02 01:19
wispy	but java is loved more :)	Dec 02 01:19
wispy	roy, do you know java and c++?	Dec 02 01:19
schestowitz	Study: Java still top programming language: http://news.cnet.com/8301-...	Dec 02 01:19
schestowitz	I hardly used c++. I hacked in it. I did Java though.	Dec 02 01:20
schestowitz	C was my main thing.	Dec 02 01:20
PetoKraus	schestowitz: got any good tutorials on C++?	Dec 02 01:20
wispy	cool, just looked at the link roy	Dec 02 01:20
wispy	c is good with hardware, right?	Dec 02 01:20
schestowitz	PetoKraus: why C++? Java is better managed.	Dec 02 01:20
PetoKraus	i didn't touch it for few years	Dec 02 01:20
wispy	roy, you were a hacker? :O	Dec 02 01:20
schestowitz	Only Linus still does C	Dec 02 01:21
PetoKraus	schestowitz: it's for a sound app	Dec 02 01:21
schestowitz	He's God in his own mind, so he won't listen to anyone.	Dec 02 01:21
PetoKraus	you don't want to do that in high level	Dec 02 01:21
wispy	linus hates c++ i think	Dec 02 01:21
schestowitz	I can't recall that quote about this..	Dec 02 01:21
PetoKraus	right, GN	Dec 02 01:22
wispy	i agree with him about how KDE is better than gnome hehe	Dec 02 01:22
wispy	sry, what does gn stand for?	Dec 02 01:22
schestowitz	good night.	Dec 02 01:23
schestowitz	Not that I'll be sleeping much.	Dec 02 01:23
wispy	ah ok, thx	Dec 02 01:23
schestowitz	The days are so short.	Dec 02 01:23
wispy	i hate sleeping, but i have to do it :(	Dec 02 01:24
wispy	yes i love the sun	Dec 02 01:24
schestowitz	If I wake up before 8 it's dark.	Dec 02 01:24
wispy	when i was in kindergarten (5 years old), i had to wake at 6 am everyday b/c my school was so far away	Dec 02 01:24
wispy	it was dark every morning	Dec 02 01:24
wispy	now im in college, and i wake around 8 am on average	Dec 02 01:25
wispy	i hate waking up after 10 am	Dec 02 01:25
wispy	i wish i was a morning person so i can catch more of the sun, but i'm a night person	Dec 02 01:26
wispy	it's just the way my body is lol	Dec 02 01:26
wispy	i can concentrate the best around 1 am	Dec 02 01:26
schestowitz	6am?!?	Dec 02 01:26
wispy	yes i was a poor little girl	Dec 02 01:27
wispy	i could not afford to miss the bus, school was 2 hours away	Dec 02 01:27
wispy	this was new jersey, not some 3rd world country	Dec 02 01:27
wispy	:S	Dec 02 01:27
schestowitz	NJ is cool.	Dec 02 01:28
schestowitz	I know some people from there.	Dec 02 01:28
wispy	have you been here? :)	Dec 02 01:28
schestowitz	There are states that are a lot more challenged.	Dec 02 01:29
wispy	from where? hope they aren't guidos!	Dec 02 01:29
schestowitz	No, not been in NJ	Dec 02 01:29
wispy	mississippi	Dec 02 01:29
schestowitz	Sheesh	Dec 02 01:29
wispy	you should definitely visit nyc and la someday	Dec 02 01:29
wispy	hehe roy	Dec 02 01:29
schestowitz	twitter is here.	Dec 02 01:29
wispy	twitter is in nj??	Dec 02 01:29
zoobab	http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t...	Dec 02 01:30
schestowitz	I was in Florida and Washington 2 years ago... Virginia too	Dec 02 01:30
schestowitz	zoobab: yes, I know.	Dec 02 01:30
schestowitz	I was at his talk here.	Dec 02 01:30
wispy	i've been to virginia lots of times	Dec 02 01:30
zoobab	where here?	Dec 02 01:30
schestowitz	Not a very smart person, IMHO, but he's pro FOss	Dec 02 01:30
schestowitz	Manchester	Dec 02 01:30
schestowitz	he gave a talk	Dec 02 01:30
zoobab	let's send him an open letter then	Dec 02 01:30
schestowitz	He mentioned Slashdot a lot	Dec 02 01:31
schestowitz	I blogged about it back then..	Dec 02 01:31
schestowitz	zoobab: let's do	Dec 02 01:31
schestowitz	I used to comment in his blog	Dec 02 01:31
schestowitz	What abotu Sutor?	Dec 02 01:31
wispy	did he see your blog post, roy?	Dec 02 01:31
schestowitz	He's in Aye-Bee-Aim now.	Dec 02 01:31
schestowitz	I think so	Dec 02 01:31
wispy	ibm?	Dec 02 01:32
zoobab	many people read BN	Dec 02 01:32
wispy	like i said before, roy is a celeb	Dec 02 01:32
schestowitz	I remember that back then (around 2006)... there werre seevral referrals with his full name	Dec 02 01:32
schestowitz	So maybe he used Technorati to track it.	Dec 02 01:32
schestowitz	IBM=Big Bloop	Dec 02 01:32
wispy	lmao	Dec 02 01:32
wispy	roy, you reminded me of how some parents spell out things in front of the kids	Dec 02 01:33
wispy	XD	Dec 02 01:33
wispy	Aye-Bee-Aim	Dec 02 01:33
schestowitz	No, none of that. :-\|	Dec 02 01:33
schestowitz	zoobab: letter about patents?	Dec 02 01:34
schestowitz	I think he's one of those INNOVA~1 INTELL~1 PROPER~1 people.	Dec 02 01:34
schestowitz	He has those prose-like bloggings about buzzwords... makes you wanna snooze	Dec 02 01:34
wispy	i like scandal when i read blogs	Dec 02 01:35
wispy	i think i came to the right place, right, roy?	Dec 02 01:35
wispy	;)	Dec 02 01:35
schestowitz	Where?	Dec 02 01:35
schestowitz	BN?	Dec 02 01:35
schestowitz	No scandal there.	Dec 02 01:35
wispy	oh yeah	Dec 02 01:36
wispy	suuuuure	Dec 02 01:36
zoobab	Beth Noveck of Peer to Patent (those who manages to find prior art in binaries) is also in the team	Dec 02 01:36
schestowitz	It covers scandals.	Dec 02 01:36
schestowitz	It has vandals	Dec 02 01:36
zoobab	I was trolling her at Eupaco2	Dec 02 01:36
wispy	you are a poet and you don't know it, roy	Dec 02 01:36
zoobab	I still have to post the videos on Youtube and al	Dec 02 01:36
zoobab	http://change.gov/learn/policy_...	Dec 02 01:36
schestowitz	wispy: no, I just hate white-collar crime	Dec 02 01:37
schestowitz	zoobab: good stuff.	Dec 02 01:37
wispy	it costs more than street crime	Dec 02 01:37
schestowitz	Lots more	Dec 02 01:37
wispy	i learned that in my honors sociology class	Dec 02 01:37
wispy	billions	Dec 02 01:37
schestowitz	Punishment is a petty thing	Dec 02 01:37
wispy	lets shame them	Dec 02 01:38
zoobab	http://change.gov/learn/pol...	Dec 02 01:38
zoobab	"It is ironic that if software patents were disallowed altogether, it might cause legitimate software innovations to then be protected as trade secrets, and thus keep them away from open source projects."	Dec 02 01:38
zoobab	http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/...	Dec 02 01:38
wispy	so roy, how's the ph.d? :)	Dec 02 01:38
wispy	you must be very smart to get that far	Dec 02 01:38
schestowitz	Wow.	Dec 02 01:39
schestowitz	zoobab: is that from Irving?	Dec 02 01:39
schestowitz	Defending swpats.	Dec 02 01:39
zoobab	yeah	Dec 02 01:39
schestowitz	wispy: see http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008...	Dec 02 01:40
wispy	just did, thanks!	Dec 02 01:40
wispy	you're so close, you can do it! :D	Dec 02 01:40
wispy	my sister is getting a ph.d too, in medicine i think	Dec 02 01:41
wispy	she's a bio major now	Dec 02 01:41
wispy	but she's 18 now	Dec 02 01:41
schestowitz	I feel like I finished 3 years ago.	Dec 02 01:41
schestowitz	It's an afterthought.	Dec 02 01:41
wispy	still, you are younger than a lot of ph.d candidates	Dec 02 01:41
wispy	in the us, ph.d candidates start out at around 28	Dec 02 01:42
wispy	graduate school is a long process	Dec 02 01:42
wispy	then comes the ph.d	Dec 02 01:42
wispy	can i call you dr. schestowitz soon? ;)	Dec 02 01:43
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 02 01:44
schestowitz	But that's not important.	Dec 02 01:44
wispy	cute	Dec 02 01:44
schestowitz	If it was, I'd have finished in 2006	Dec 02 01:45
wispy	that's a big accomplishment	Dec 02 01:45
schestowitz	Thanks.	Dec 02 01:45
wispy	no prob ^.^	Dec 02 01:45
schestowitz	But the Freedom fight is more important.	Dec 02 01:45
schestowitz	That's why it's curtailed	Dec 02 01:45
schestowitz	I also need the campus	Dec 02 01:45
wispy	what's up with the campus?	Dec 02 01:46
wispy	you are a freedom figher, roy :)	Dec 02 01:46
schestowitz	No.	Dec 02 01:47
schestowitz	RMS is.	Dec 02 01:47
schestowitz	Campus if good for protection and support.	Dec 02 01:47
schestowitz	it fosters thinking and peace	Dec 02 01:47
wispy	rms is da man	Dec 02 01:48
wispy	ah so you are a scholar	Dec 02 01:48
schestowitz	I still have acces to heads of departments.	Dec 02 01:48
wispy	i support you, roy. you have friends in cyberspace, too	Dec 02 01:48
schestowitz	Not scholar, hacker.;-)	Dec 02 01:48
wispy	cool	Dec 02 01:48
wispy	hahaha	Dec 02 01:48
wispy	i can't hack, i'm such a n00b	Dec 02 01:48
wispy	since i'm a girl, i didn't get much support when i was younger. now i'm learning how to program	Dec 02 01:49
wispy	all the guys were at it since they were preteens	Dec 02 01:49
schestowitz	It's self learning that counts.	Dec 02 01:49
schestowitz	Education is exaggerated.	Dec 02 01:49
schestowitz	But people judge others by pieces of papers.	Dec 02 01:49
schestowitz	*paper	Dec 02 01:49
wispy	the internet really showed me that tech is interesting	Dec 02 01:49
wispy	my parents thought the Internet was a bad place, so i didn't go on too often	Dec 02 01:50
schestowitz	Tech is a subculture	Dec 02 01:50
schestowitz	Everything is	Dec 02 01:50
schestowitz	There are better causes	Dec 02 01:50
schestowitz	Political, environmental..	Dec 02 01:50
wispy	yes, true	Dec 02 01:50
schestowitz	I don't subscribe into baking and lawyers as 'causes'	Dec 02 01:50
schestowitz	They are middlemen.	Dec 02 01:50
wispy	i'm interested in so many things	Dec 02 01:50
wispy	like the mafiaa?	Dec 02 01:51
schestowitz	They are interfering, but they act as glue that's parasitic.	Dec 02 01:51
wispy	i agree that self learning is vital, roy	Dec 02 01:51
schestowitz	mafiia is anti-art	Dec 02 01:51
wispy	haha roy	Dec 02 01:51
schestowitz	Depreviation of self expression	Dec 02 01:51
wispy	that's sad :'(	Dec 02 01:51
schestowitz	It is argued yet it can never be proven that's its an innate thing for a person to want to create things and also strive to escape authority for individualism... MAFIAA is against all that.	Dec 02 01:52
schestowitz	MAFIAA is abotu swallowing an ocean of creativity.	Dec 02 01:52
schestowitz	Blockbuster = one producer = 200,000,000 viewers	Dec 02 01:52
schestowitz	YouTube's ratios are different.	Dec 02 01:52
wispy	that's profound, roy, the first part you wrote :)	Dec 02 01:53
wispy	YT is so awesome, the users win in the end	Dec 02 01:53
schestowitz	YT?	Dec 02 01:54
schestowitz	Oh, Youtube duh	Dec 02 01:54
wispy	youtube :)	Dec 02 01:54
wispy	hehe that's ok	Dec 02 01:55
schestowitz	Grolaw fights for YouTube too.	Dec 02 01:55
schestowitz	See latest post here.	Dec 02 01:55
wispy	pam?	Dec 02 01:55
schestowitz	PJ found the videos that I found a month ago and put in BN	Dec 02 01:55
zoobab	which videos?	Dec 02 01:55
wispy	she's digs deep	Dec 02 01:55
wispy	she*	Dec 02 01:56
wispy	how does she find all that stuff?	Dec 02 01:57
wispy	she's a super sleuth	Dec 02 01:57
schestowitz	zoobab: see Grolaw news picks... hold on	Dec 02 01:57
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/30/atta...	Dec 02 01:58
wispy	thanks for the link	Dec 02 01:59
schestowitz	It's a boring talk.	Dec 02 02:01
wispy	kinda like some of the lectures at my school	Dec 02 02:02
wispy	lectures don't help me learn, i learn best by reading	Dec 02 02:02
schestowitz	Lectures justify payment to profs	Dec 02 02:03
schestowitz	It also makes them feel good about themselves	Dec 02 02:03
wispy	yea haha	Dec 02 02:04
wispy	some of my classes are really short, i guess the profs get bored too	Dec 02 02:04
wispy	XD	Dec 02 02:04
schestowitz	OK, i'm being too cynical here, but let's face it: many things that are traditionally done in academia are a Jurassic age. They could use the Web. People don't require books, data is better indexed electronically and we don't need conferences overseas ans libraries to store volumes.	Dec 02 02:04
wispy	libraries have a charm to them, that's one thing good about them :)	Dec 02 02:05
wispy	but i agree roy	Dec 02 02:05
wispy	the kindle is a good idea	Dec 02 02:06
schestowitz	Young generations haven't the nostalgia of libs	Dec 02 02:06
schestowitz	I don't even use pen and paper anymor.e	Dec 02 02:06
wispy	textbooks are priced harshly, electronic versions should push prices down	Dec 02 02:06
zoobab	someone should create online university courses	Dec 02 02:06
schestowitz	People who grow up without it won't yearn for it.	Dec 02 02:06
wispy	i do hehe roy	Dec 02 02:06
zoobab	because university teachers are so bad	Dec 02 02:06
schestowitz	zoobab: yes, that's already been done, no?	Dec 02 02:06
zoobab	at teaching	Dec 02 02:06
wispy	so true zoobab	Dec 02 02:07
schestowitz	textbooks are a scheme like a pyramid	Dec 02 02:07
zoobab	yes, but not free ones	Dec 02 02:07
schestowitz	I can't recall the classic explanation.	Dec 02 02:07
schestowitz	But it's like a cycle of money where unis pass lots of money in a closed system.	Dec 02 02:07
schestowitz	Tuition fees too are like price0gouging.	Dec 02 02:07
wispy	ugh tell me about it! :(	Dec 02 02:07
schestowitz	Susbription to journals... IEEE at like 13k per year	Dec 02 02:08
wispy	i had this one economics book that was only one year old, and a new edition came out	Dec 02 02:08
schestowitz	Conference fees are high.	Dec 02 02:08
wispy	insane	Dec 02 02:08
schestowitz	Tuition is inflated	Dec 02 02:08
wispy	so i sold that book for $35 and i bought it for $110!	Dec 02 02:08
wispy	what a loss	Dec 02 02:08
schestowitz	And people must stock books to fund the same publications that publish their rubbish	Dec 02 02:09
wispy	yep, in nj colleges are getting less support from the state	Dec 02 02:09
wispy	that hurts students	Dec 02 02:09
wispy	so many textbooks i bought are written by profs that teach here	Dec 02 02:10
wispy	ripoff	Dec 02 02:10
schestowitz	No, creating jobs.	Dec 02 02:11
schestowitz	But this circulation fail to work	Dec 02 02:11
schestowitz	Long-term..	Dec 02 02:11
schestowitz	Watch how the ecnomy collapses	Dec 02 02:11
schestowitz	Poor students suffer a lot	Dec 02 02:11
schestowitz	I can't imagine that it's good for research grants (low priority)	Dec 02 02:11
wispy	yes it's sad	Dec 02 02:12
schestowitz	A friend of mine is a furious professor who saw this coming.	Dec 02 02:12
wispy	my family is quite well off, but i hate money being spent needlessly on tuition and books	Dec 02 02:12
schestowitz	He's actually the one who encouraged me to apply for a PhD in Cambridge back in 2002	Dec 02 02:12
schestowitz	He is one among many who will suffer from this economic blast	Dec 02 02:13
wispy	awwww	Dec 02 02:13
wispy	so is he your mentor?	Dec 02 02:13
schestowitz	Soup kitchens come before "I'd like to toy around with some tubes and chemicals"	Dec 02 02:13
schestowitz	No, he's not.	Dec 02 02:13
schestowitz	He's in infectious disease (pure medicine)	Dec 02 02:13
wispy	ah i see	Dec 02 02:14
wispy	tubes and chemicals lead to ground breaking advances, so there should be some funding	Dec 02 02:14
wispy	but the govt does not realize this	Dec 02 02:14
schestowitz	It's not a priority	Dec 02 02:15
schestowitz	The world needs water, food, deflation in birth (through control)	Dec 02 02:15
schestowitz	Or rlse it's heading towards massive disaster	Dec 02 02:16
schestowitz	Cure for disease is peanuts compared to deaths from starvation and war	Dec 02 02:16
wispy	uh oh	Dec 02 02:16
wispy	starvation is a big problem for young children	Dec 02 02:17
wispy	they are so weak and need to grow but they can't	Dec 02 02:17
schestowitz	It leads to war	Dec 02 02:18
schestowitz	Lack or water -> war	Dec 02 02:18
wispy	throughout history, people fought many wars because of resources	Dec 02 02:19
wispy	i learned that in my environmental history class	Dec 02 02:19
schestowitz	Oil anyone?	Dec 02 02:20
wispy	hehe	Dec 02 02:21
wispy	so roy, do you live in an apartment or a house? i still live in a dorm	Dec 02 02:22
schestowitz	Apartment	Dec 02 02:24
twitter	Heh, Universities are still good for research and conferences are still interesting.	Dec 02 02:24
schestowitz	It's like islands.	Dec 02 02:24
schestowitz	In a world of crime and dogs (that eat dogs ;-) )	Dec 02 02:24
wispy	haha cool	Dec 02 02:25
twitter	I have yet to find a good substitute for a chalk board to get work done with a few clued people.	Dec 02 02:25
wispy	hey twitter	Dec 02 02:25
twitter	hello	Dec 02 02:25
twitter	It's also helpful to have all sorts of specialists in walking distance.	Dec 02 02:26
wispy	i have a small chalkboard at home, but i got it when i was 9	Dec 02 02:26
wispy	my little sister drew on a part of it with marker	Dec 02 02:26
wispy	so she sort of damaged it	Dec 02 02:26
twitter	Masonite + Chalkboard paint = 8x4' chalk board. If you do it with white board on the other side, you have a dual purpose board.	Dec 02 02:26
twitter	it works well if you get good paint.	Dec 02 02:27
wispy	yeah there was a whiteboard on the other side	Dec 02 02:27
wispy	not sure why she didnt use that	Dec 02 02:27
wispy	:S	Dec 02 02:27
twitter	ink stinks	Dec 02 02:27
wispy	cool twitter	Dec 02 02:27
wispy	that rhymes	Dec 02 02:27
wispy	lol	Dec 02 02:27
twitter	The physics department here used to have a huge bunch of sliding blackboards. That was good for problem solving.	Dec 02 02:28
twitter	Two boards wide, three deep.	Dec 02 02:28
wispy	when i took honors physics in high school 3 years ago, we had sliding white boards	Dec 02 02:28
wispy	same here twitter	Dec 02 02:29
wispy	actually two deep	Dec 02 02:29
wispy	for me	Dec 02 02:29
twitter	Here's bad news. France seems to have it's 3 strikes law back. http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?s...	Dec 02 02:32
twitter	This Nicolas Sarkozy is really a disaster. He's the same guy who's undoing the 35 hour a week laws and other cool stuff. I hope he tries to mess with food purity, so that people will kick him out.	Dec 02 02:33
twitter	my kids are calling me. good night.	Dec 02 02:34
wispy	see ya!	Dec 02 02:34
wispy	thanks for the link, twitter	Dec 02 02:34
wispy	Roy, it was great talking to you. I have to go, too. I'll be back for another nice chat session. Bye!	Dec 02 02:36
schestowitz	Sarkozy is corruption	Dec 02 02:36
schestowitz	The guy is trouble	Dec 02 02:36
schestowitz	White collar crime with a crown on his head.	Dec 02 02:36
wispy	He's mean.	Dec 02 02:36
wispy	oh i thought you left, so i was going to leave too	Dec 02 02:37
wispy	I forgot to say "hi" to logger_bot.	Dec 02 02:38
wispy	Hi, logger_bot!	Dec 02 02:38
schestowitz	Heh	Dec 02 02:40
schestowitz	He's deaf	Dec 02 02:40
schestowitz	I'm always here.	Dec 02 02:40
wispy	that's good that you're here for us :)	Dec 02 02:41
wispy	so committed	Dec 02 02:41
wispy	logger_bot is still cool to me	Dec 02 02:41
schestowitz	There's this nnoying stalker in BN	Dec 02 02:43
schestowitz	He stalks twitter mostly.	Dec 02 02:43
schestowitz	Now he's flooding the site with abuse.	Dec 02 02:43
schestowitz	I'm waiting for that thing to go away	Dec 02 02:43
schestowitz	Since we don't censor and I can't be bother	Dec 02 02:43
schestowitz	As I said before, f* vandals	Dec 02 02:44
wispy	hear, hear!	Dec 02 02:44
schestowitz	Bunch of people's whose life goal is to ruin sites.	Dec 02 02:44
wispy	did he just come?	Dec 02 02:44
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 02 02:44
wispy	that's a sad life	Dec 02 02:44
wispy	darn	Dec 02 02:44
schestowitz	They ruin Slashdot too	Dec 02 02:44
schestowitz	Which is why the site dives.	Dec 02 02:44
wispy	leave us alone!	Dec 02 02:44
wispy	argghhh	Dec 02 02:44
wispy	hey roy, what is that blue fish for?	Dec 02 02:45
wispy	that icon	Dec 02 02:45
schestowitz	I thought about changing it	Dec 02 02:47
schestowitz	It's standard GNOME icon.	Dec 02 02:47
wispy	it's cute	Dec 02 02:47
wispy	keep it :)	Dec 02 02:47
schestowitz	It became symbolic for the links.	Dec 02 02:47
schestowitz	I can't change this footprint now.	Dec 02 02:47
wispy	if that's the case, i suggest not changing it	Dec 02 02:48
wispy	i am a fish owner, and my koi are over a foot long	Dec 02 02:48
wispy	they have lovely demeanors, and they come up to me when they are hungry	Dec 02 02:48
wispy	koi are friendly fish	Dec 02 02:49
wispy	brb	Dec 02 02:51
schestowitz	Cot fish.	Dec 02 02:52
schestowitz	*Coy	Dec 02 02:52
wispy	hi again	Dec 02 02:53
wispy	you have some?	Dec 02 02:53
wispy	yea they are coy ;)	Dec 02 02:53
wispy	i'm off, Roy. See you soon!	Dec 02 02:57
schestowitz	Okay, I'm done soon too	Dec 02 02:57
wispy	take care! ^__^	Dec 02 02:59
wispy	xx	Dec 02 02:59
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