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| Balrog_ | schestowitz: show me a good alternative | Mar 13 15:10 |
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| Balrog_ | is UDF patent-encumbered or only RO? | Mar 13 15:11 |
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| _Hicham_ | Balrog : ext2ifs is great | Mar 13 15:17 |
| _Hicham_ | i use it on WinXP | Mar 13 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | it works like a charm | Mar 13 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | it is easy : TomTom will prompt users to install the software, which will be ext2ifs | Mar 13 15:21 |
| _Hicham_ | it is as simple as that | Mar 13 15:22 |
| _Hicham_ | and everything is still FOSS | Mar 13 15:22 |
| _Hicham_ | and no MS lawsuits | Mar 13 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: "only read only?" :-) | Mar 13 15:22 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Mar 13 15:22 |
| _Hicham_ | ext2ifs support writing also | Mar 13 15:22 |
| _Hicham_ | do u use it actually? | Mar 13 15:22 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: MS sued over other things | Mar 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Like car navigation+something | Mar 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | One of those "with car navigation patents" | Mar 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Like "on the Internet" patents | Mar 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Or "using a device" | Mar 13 15:23 |
| _Hicham_ | what was that? | Mar 13 15:23 |
| _Hicham_ | i only read about their fat patent | Mar 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Calculating 1+1 using an apparus | Mar 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Calculating 1+1 over the Internet | Mar 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Calculating 1+1 in a car | Mar 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Try this in the USPTO | Mar 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe if you phrase it right you'll get a patent ;-) | Mar 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: there are other patents (8) | Mar 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft did this delibeately | Mar 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | To make it a bundle | Mar 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | I.e. if TomTom works around the FAT patent, not much is gained | Mar 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | They want TomTom to suffer defeat | Mar 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | They did this just shortly after a financial meltdown | Mar 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Then they used their vile shill, Rob Enderle, to deceive | Mar 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | That's Microsoft for ya! :-) | Mar 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Scummy and proud of it.. since inception. | Mar 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | If you compete against 'em, sooner or later they'll pass some laws to call you a "criminal" | Mar 13 15:26 |
| _Hicham_ | not if u avoid their technology | Mar 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz | CNN advertises new Micrososft crony in the US administration (sort of): http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/0... (Microsoft exec appointed to DHS post) | Mar 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz | French workers hold Sony boss hostage http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... | Mar 13 15:34 |
| schestowitz | UN report condemns Britain over torture cases http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/... | Mar 13 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Why Biofuels Are the Rainforest's Worst Enemy http://www.motherjones.com/environment/20... | Mar 13 15:37 |
| schestowitz | UN climate chief: US carbon cuts could spark 'revolution' http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen... | Mar 13 15:38 |
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| _Hicham_ | what happened Roy? | Mar 13 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Wrong key | Mar 13 15:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.minnpost.com/ericblackb... Was Cheney running a "terror state", by the very definition of "terror"? | Mar 13 15:41 |
| schestowitz | David Cameron calls for full inquiry into Binyam Mohamed torture claims < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009... > | Mar 13 15:43 |
| schestowitz | http://lists.essential.org/pip... "Could anyone reasonably have foreseen the consequences of a decades-long regulatory holiday for the financial sector? In a word, yes. [...] There was nothing inevitable, unavoidable or unforeseeable about the current crisis." | Mar 13 15:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.physorg.com/news155333857.html "The anonymous comment on the Web site RateMDs.com was unsparing: "Very unhelpful, arrogant," it said of a doctor. "Did not listen and cut me off, seemed much too happy to have power (and abuse it!) over suffering people."" | Mar 13 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Stupid headline (ARM is already well ahead of x86): < http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/200... > (Analyst: ARM to surpass Atom, in 55% of netbooks by 2012) | Mar 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: check out http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2009/03/1... | Mar 13 15:56 |
| Balrog_ | heh | Mar 13 15:58 |
| Balrog_ | someone will quickly reverse engineer the button system | Mar 13 15:58 |
| Balrog_ | I heard it just generates noise that the ipod detects | Mar 13 15:58 |
| Balrog_ | (specially organized noise :P ) | Mar 13 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bisnow.com/washington_dc... hehe. wish i could reuse the image at the top, with caption.... | Mar 13 16:26 |
| schestowitz | @trmanco : "Microsoft scrambled to fix a global outage that hit its Windows Live Hotmail service for several hours on Thursday." http://www.pcworld.com/article/161194/mi... not just gmail. | Mar 13 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Lost Xbox 360 Worth $1,000,000? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/16120... > | Mar 13 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Im worried about Gnome < http://blog.hyperfish.org/... > | Mar 13 16:44 |
| Balrog_ | I never had a problem with gmail down | Mar 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Me neither | Mar 13 16:49 |
| *schestowitz would never use gmail | Mar 13 16:49 | |
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| _Hicham_ | Roy : why wouldnt you use gmail? | Mar 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I have a permanent set of addresses that give privacy and offer many other advantages | Mar 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Too many people 'offshore' their computing to SaaS and other complicated hosts that hold them hostage | Mar 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Novell has been eerily quiet this week. Like one third of the usual news coverage it gets :-o | Mar 13 16:59 |
| *schestowitz goes through NOVL news ATM | Mar 13 17:00 | |
| schestowitz | Just updated this one with a good quote: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/13/mi... | Mar 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | MOG: "The Burton Group also points out that Oracle's OVM links with a Red Hat kernel while Virtual Iron uses SUSE and OEMs Novell's Platespin Migrate, suggesting that Novell will be the one to say ouch if the deal does go down." | Mar 13 17:02 |
| schestowitz | The Burton Group is somewhat of Microsoft shill, attacking Microsoft rivals for the wage | Mar 13 17:02 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy: can u suggest a good mail service? | Mar 13 17:03 |
| Balrog_ | certainly not hotmail :P | Mar 13 17:06 |
| _Hicham_ | well, i think i should deploy my own server | Mar 13 17:10 |
| _Hicham_ | it will be completely free | Mar 13 17:11 |
| _Hicham_ | it would be called GNU International Mail System | Mar 13 17:11 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, don't DIY | Mar 13 17:11 |
| schestowitz | But you can get a host for a few dollars a month | Mar 13 17:11 |
| schestowitz | You register a domain | Mar 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | You can move between hosts for decades, so there's no risk associated | Mar 13 17:12 |
| Balrog_ | get a VPS | Mar 13 17:18 |
| _Hicham_ | GNU should have a mail service, no? | Mar 13 17:20 |
| Balrog_ | mail services are expensive to run | Mar 13 17:21 |
| Balrog_ | electricity isn't free | Mar 13 17:21 |
| _Hicham_ | then companies should help | Mar 13 17:21 |
| _Hicham_ | there must a complete set of GNU alternatives | Mar 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: maybe that exists | Mar 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | FSF sets up mail forwarders | Mar 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | But it's not proper mail | Mar 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | The worst thing is universities that set up accounts for people | Mar 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Then the addresses are TIED to affiliations | Mar 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Same with working places | Mar 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | So when you leave, then lots of mail might be routed to /dev/null | Mar 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | That's why you need a permanent address | Mar 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Not FSF, not a work E-mail, not academic affiliation | Mar 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | These change over time | Mar 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | My PGP sig is still tied to an old address of mine | Mar 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | sch at danielsorogon.com (you can watch the site) | Mar 13 17:25 |
| _Hicham_ | and u dont use this address anymore? | Mar 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | I check it, but not use it | Mar 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | mostly spam | Mar 13 17:27 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no filters in it? | Mar 13 17:27 |
| schestowitz | it was deprecated 5 years ago. | Mar 13 17:27 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's a BSD server | Mar 13 17:27 |
| schestowitz | No cpanel, no option for forwarding | Mar 13 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Spot-on analysts from Moody: No Mac advice as BBC team exposes...its Windows-centricity (again) < http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallife... > | Mar 13 17:33 |
| schestowitz | *sigh* Unless The Register kicks Gavin Clarke, then it has become just another pro-Microsoft 'news' site | Mar 13 17:36 |
| Balrog_ | nothing new for BBC | Mar 13 17:36 |
| Balrog_ | they've done this before | Mar 13 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Now it has some spin on "MS invested the iPod' | Mar 13 17:36 |
| schestowitz | And it's always Gavin | Mar 13 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Also Linux-hostile stuff....... | Mar 13 17:36 |
| Balrog_ | MS did the zune, which went nowhere | Mar 13 17:37 |
| schestowitz | He's a friend of Mary jo Foley, in case that gives you a clue. Whatever happened to The Register which thought outside the box? The Microsoft deal changed everything and people do notice, even kentma1 | Mar 13 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: the Zune can't survive | Mar 13 17:37 |
| Balrog_ | I know. | Mar 13 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what goes though the minds of people there. | Mar 13 17:37 |
| schestowitz | They can't admit defeat | Mar 13 17:37 |
| Balrog_ | the Zune can't be even used as a mass-storage device... | Mar 13 17:38 |
| Balrog_ | (neither can the ipod touch / iphone, but there are ways to access its FS) | Mar 13 17:38 |
| schestowitz | At least they don't spend MORE money advertising it. | Mar 13 17:38 |
| Balrog_ | mhm | Mar 13 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_:because of FAT patents? ;-) | Mar 13 17:38 |
| schestowitz | I love this one: Guerilla Marketer for Microsoft Zune Arrested in Austin < http://www.keathmilligan.net/node/137 > | Mar 13 17:39 |
| Balrog_ | what, the iPhone? | Mar 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | I hate Guerilla with passion | Mar 13 17:39 |
| Balrog_ | it has no fat, that's true... | Mar 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | be it marketing or warfare | Mar 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Still funny. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-... | Mar 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/... "The Manchester-based company closed its doors on Tuesday, paying off staff and shutting the office, sources told The Register. The firm's web site was still up as of last night and calls to the office are being met with an answerphone." That's nearby | Mar 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | The fiends from Edelman are paid by Walmart for their propaganda: Wal-Mart Buys PR in Bulk < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8269 > They also bribed bloggers with Vista. | Mar 13 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Watch how drug companies filthily occupy the panels < http://www.prweekus.com/Reformspurshealthcar... > (Reform spurs healthcare groups into action) | Mar 13 17:46 |
| Balrog_ | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.p... | Mar 13 17:47 |
| Balrog_ | FOIA Request For Pending Copyright Treaty Denied | Mar 13 17:47 |
| schestowitz | http://yro.slashdot.org/article... (w/o the trailing slash) | Mar 13 17:47 |
| Balrog_ | argh | Mar 13 17:48 |
| Balrog_ | sorry | Mar 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Tobacco industry lobbies to carry on 'killing people': http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/ne... (Tobacco Industry Blocking Global Treaty On Smoking In Asean Countries) | Mar 13 17:53 |
| schestowitz | The tobacco industry killed many people (over 100 million probably), including part of my family and many others out there. How is it still managing to 'lobby'? | Mar 13 17:54 |
| schestowitz | "Shapiro is an influential industrial economist but as many of his colleagues he has a flexibility. All premium league economists know that the patent system has no sound economic foundation or they just assume it had. So economists don't believe in the god Benamuki and witchcraft but feel it would be inappropriate and insulting to tell the aborigines so and they like their hospitality" | Mar 13 17:58 |
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| _Hicham_ | tobacco industry will never die | Mar 13 18:00 |
| Balrog_ | patents last 20 years in the US, right? | Mar 13 18:01 |
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| Balrog_ | still here | Mar 13 18:10 |
| Balrog_ | so I'm stuck doing some windows installs :( | Mar 13 18:11 |
| _Hicham_ | why do u install windows? | Mar 13 18:11 |
| Balrog_ | I'm paid to do so | Mar 13 18:11 |
| _Hicham_ | great | Mar 13 18:11 |
| Balrog_ | though it's not the main system anyway | Mar 13 18:12 |
| _Hicham_ | why do they use it? | Mar 13 18:12 |
| Balrog_ | the main system is Solaris, and Windows runs on a PCI card | Mar 13 18:12 |
| Balrog_ | we have dual-boot here | Mar 13 18:12 |
| Balrog_ | or PCI card | Mar 13 18:12 |
| Balrog_ | as I said, there are people here who like .NET | Mar 13 18:12 |
| Balrog_ | they offer several courses in VB.NET | Mar 13 18:12 |
| _Hicham_ | then install mono :) | Mar 13 18:13 |
| _Hicham_ | :-D | Mar 13 18:13 |
| Balrog_ | and visual studio | Mar 13 18:13 |
| Balrog_ | professors are too lazy not to use VS | Mar 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Not necessarily | Mar 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | What I've learned from people is that Mcirosoft employees can cause this | Mar 13 18:13 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u suggest Roy? | Mar 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | And their buddies | Mar 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | It's enough to have some Microsoft sympathetic people in the department to expel opposition | Mar 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | And to spread the Microsoft for kickbacks | Mar 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Bear in mind that Microsoft bribes professors | Mar 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | This appeared in the press | Mar 13 18:14 |
| Balrog_ | there's this professor that says you're not learning the language but the methods | Mar 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | It would pay them $200 (cheque) just to mention Microsoft tools. | Mar 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: he's right | Mar 13 18:15 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Mar 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Others who recommend otteach MS are suspect | Mar 13 18:15 |
| _Hicham_ | $200 | Mar 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | They could be bribed | Mar 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes | Mar 13 18:15 |
| Balrog_ | that's why VS.NET is 'ok' | Mar 13 18:15 |
| _Hicham_ | here people do it for free | Mar 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Let me get you the link | Mar 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | In case someone disputes it | Mar 13 18:15 |
| _Hicham_ | :-D | Mar 13 18:15 |
| Balrog_ | also office is used a lot | Mar 13 18:15 |
| Balrog_ | (the MS one) | Mar 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Bookmark this: http://chronicle.com/data/articles.... | Mar 13 18:15 |
| Balrog_ | I see. | Mar 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | And you're pemitted to ask professors if Microsoft somehow paid them | Mar 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | because Microsoft already has blood in its hands | Mar 13 18:16 |
| balzac | http://img267.imageshack.us/img2... | Mar 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | So it's not a void accusation | Mar 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Think of it as a warrant | Mar 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Or treating one with a police record | Mar 13 18:17 |
| balzac | Roy, you're hosting your own email on BN? | Mar 13 18:17 |
| Balrog_ | also some professors say that silverlight is 'big' right now | Mar 13 18:17 |
| _Hicham_ | :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D | Mar 13 18:17 |
| Balrog_ | (and flex, but SL first) | Mar 13 18:17 |
| _Hicham_ | great offer | Mar 13 18:17 |
| schestowitz | balzac: no, but there is a catch-all mail account there. | Mar 13 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: also for Silver Lie | Mar 13 18:17 |
| schestowitz | People i nthe university may be bribed | Mar 13 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe off the record | Mar 13 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Lunchtime... hush-hush... underneath table | Mar 13 18:17 |
| _Hicham_ | this is one of the biggest funniest things that i ve ever heard | Mar 13 18:17 |
| Balrog_ | I tell them I can't use SL on my systems, because it doesn't work | Mar 13 18:17 |
| balzac | what do you use for your primary email service? | Mar 13 18:18 |
| Balrog_ | they agree | Mar 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Micfrosoft does bribe for Silver Lie | Mar 13 18:18 |
| _Hicham_ | $200 | Mar 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I'll give you links | Mar 13 18:18 |
| _Hicham_ | hahahaha | Mar 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/0... | Mar 13 18:18 |
| balzac | I asked RMS for a gnu.org email address but he declined. | Mar 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I have many links in the first part | Mar 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | All external | Mar 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Just follow the links. It's a catch-all one-stop shop | Mar 13 18:18 |
| balzac | I really think I ought to have one, even given my relative inexperience as a programmer. | Mar 13 18:19 |
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| Balrog_ | heh ... adobe is even complaining | Mar 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | balzac: ask for a stallman.org address | Mar 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Hey, myRicky_cn | Mar 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: rightly so | Mar 13 18:19 |
| balzac | Roy, perhaps I will. | Mar 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | They are being 'bribed' out of business | Mar 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft played such dirty tricks before | Mar 13 18:19 |
| balzac | Or, I could get my gnewcrew.com website up and running and host my own email | Mar 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Use deep pocket | Mar 13 18:19 |
| balzac | gnucrew | Mar 13 18:19 |
| balzac | .com | Mar 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Tolerate shor-term losses | Mar 13 18:19 |
| balzac | badass domain, eh? | Mar 13 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Then try to elbow and derail competition | Mar 13 18:20 |
| schestowitz | "tilt into death spiral." remember? | Mar 13 18:20 |
| schestowitz | balzac: go hardcore and buy gnucabal.org | Mar 13 18:20 |
| balzac | perhaps not a bad idea | Mar 13 18:21 |
| schestowitz | balzac: did you make the animation? | Mar 13 18:21 |
| Balrog_ | the profs say that vb.net and c# are important because they're the basis for SL | Mar 13 18:21 |
| schestowitz | One could argue that it's racist, so I can't use it | Mar 13 18:21 |
| balzac | sounds more specifically like jew-core than hard-core | Mar 13 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: maybe the professors are profe$$ors | Mar 13 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they profess to the wallet, I don't know.. | Mar 13 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Who needs SL? | Mar 13 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Why would they care? | Mar 13 18:21 |
| schestowitz | SL is nowhere | Mar 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | MS is nearly giving up on it | Mar 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't sell | Mar 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays for it to 'sell' | Mar 13 18:22 |
| Balrog_ | what about if they go to a web site, and it says 'you must install SL to use it' | Mar 13 18:22 |
| balzac | if the word "cabal" from the word kabbala | Mar 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | "Take the money, take SL" | Mar 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: then complain | Mar 13 18:22 |
| Balrog_ | like that *** in spain (if I remember correctly) | Mar 13 18:22 |
| balzac | originates ^ | Mar 13 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | SL is blocking GNU/Linux, BSD, etc, | Mar 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | SL is Microsoft lockin | Mar 13 18:22 |
| _Hicham_ | svg is better | Mar 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | It's binary cancer on the Web | Mar 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | It's anti-Web | Mar 13 18:22 |
| Balrog_ | who supports svg? | Mar 13 18:22 |
| _Hicham_ | Mozilla | Mar 13 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Even timbl complains about this rubbish | Mar 13 18:23 |
| Balrog_ | Safari, Firefox ... | Mar 13 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is deforming his Web | Mar 13 18:23 |
| Balrog_ | probably not IE | Mar 13 18:23 |
| schestowitz | tossing away HTML | Mar 13 18:23 |
| _Hicham_ | IE is just crap | Mar 13 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Replacing it with secret codes | Mar 13 18:23 |
| Balrog_ | yeah. I've seen full web pages done in SL | Mar 13 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: who put them there? | Mar 13 18:23 |
| _Hicham_ | I even think of blocking IE users from my website | Mar 13 18:23 |
| schestowitz | It sounds as though your faculty members have lunch with the wrong chums | Mar 13 18:23 |
| Balrog_ | << lecture video-capture 'solutions' | Mar 13 18:24 |
| Balrog_ | well some of them, I think | Mar 13 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Not only do they promote dotnet, but they also force students to move this way | Mar 13 18:24 |
| Balrog_ | many push Java | Mar 13 18:24 |
| schestowitz | e.g. with Web pages that are not Web pages | Mar 13 18:24 |
| schestowitz | That are MS objects | Mar 13 18:24 |
| _Hicham_ | i think people in GNU should support svg | Mar 13 18:24 |
| _Hicham_ | and provide a complete replacement for flash | Mar 13 18:24 |
| schestowitz | SVG is already supported | Mar 13 18:25 |
| Balrog_ | what about this? | Mar 13 18:25 |
| Balrog_ | http://webkit.org/blog/324/cs... | Mar 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft stifled it.. | Mar 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it in BN | Mar 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hobbles the Web | Mar 13 18:25 |
| Balrog_ | do you think it would be good to have such css-animations in the standard? | Mar 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's binaries MS controls | Mar 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Or Office rendering | Mar 13 18:25 |
| balzac | roy, I accidentally wiped one of my partitions on my notebook | Mar 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | They should be slammed by regulators for it really. | Mar 13 18:25 |
| balzac | I think I lost this excellent 3d model I was building | Mar 13 18:25 |
| Balrog_ | sure they should | Mar 13 18:25 |
| Balrog_ | balzac: dd-rescue? | Mar 13 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: model of a model? | Mar 13 18:26 |
| balzac | Oh well, I'll probably do a better job next time | Mar 13 18:26 |
| balzac | I reformatted the disk | Mar 13 18:26 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: Balrog or balzac? | Mar 13 18:26 |
| schestowitz | balzac: | Mar 13 18:26 |
| balzac | I was making this pimpin GNU avatar in 3d, kind of like the BSD devil mascot with a hot bimbo on each arm | Mar 13 18:26 |
| balzac | but I may have lost it | Mar 13 18:26 |
| balzac | blender is great | Mar 13 18:27 |
| Balrog_ | I hate installing windows | Mar 13 18:27 |
| Balrog_ | takes 2-3 hours, including updates | Mar 13 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall installing Windows | Mar 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | .. | Mar 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Many years ago I probably had some people install it for me | Mar 13 18:28 |
| Balrog_ | I installed WinME once | Mar 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | In 2000 I tried putting Win2000 on a Compaq laptop | Mar 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | It didn't work | Mar 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | No drivers for stuff :-) | Mar 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | So I went back to Win98 | Mar 13 18:29 |
| Balrog_ | and then proceeded to run updates | Mar 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it was in 2001 | Mar 13 18:29 |
| Balrog_ | which blew up the system. | Mar 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I think that's the last time I really installed WIndows | Mar 13 18:29 |
| Balrog_ | I have a older compaq laptop running Win2K | Mar 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe I installed Windows 98 for my sister a while later, but it was from a QuickRestore CD | Mar 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | So it's just an image | Mar 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Not an installation per se | Mar 13 18:29 |
| Balrog_ | Thinking about putting linux on it, but it's slow (P3-500) and I'm not the primary user | Mar 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: Presario? | Mar 13 18:30 |
| Balrog_ | no, Armada | Mar 13 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna suggest that | Mar 13 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Armada/Presario | Mar 13 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Cause Armada came just later | Mar 13 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how handy that 400MHz AMD laptop would be now | Mar 13 18:30 |
| schestowitz | It's too weak to take Ubuntu | Mar 13 18:31 |
| Balrog_ | Would a researcher compromise his integrity for $200? Well, Matlab licenses cost $500, and they rely on Matlab here. | Mar 13 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Just 32Mb of RAM | Mar 13 18:31 |
| Balrog_ | (for research) | Mar 13 18:31 |
| Balrog_ | 32MB ram? won't work | Mar 13 18:31 |
| schestowitz | I tried Ubuntu 4.10 on it | Mar 13 18:31 |
| Balrog_ | need at least 128 | Mar 13 18:31 |
| Balrog_ | That much ram is enough for Mac System 8 though :P | Mar 13 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Mac sucks | Mar 13 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Mac OS 8/9 esp. | Mar 13 18:32 |
| Balrog_ | (meaning 90's era mac) | Mar 13 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Too promitive compared to Linux | Mar 13 18:32 |
| Balrog_ | 7 worked well | Mar 13 18:32 |
| Balrog_ | 8/9 had its problems | Mar 13 18:32 |
| Balrog_ | was definitely better than linux of it's day though | Mar 13 18:32 |
| Balrog_ | (usability wise) | Mar 13 18:32 |
| Balrog_ | but yeah, by 8.6-9, it really was falling apart | Mar 13 18:34 |
| Balrog_ | what do you think about faculty relying on expensive matlab? | Mar 13 18:34 |
| *Balrog_ is now known as Balrog | Mar 13 18:36 | |
| balzac | I still have the 3d model | Mar 13 18:36 |
| balzac | http://www.oteltours.com/Screenshot.png | Mar 13 18:36 |
| Balrog | that's your website? | Mar 13 18:36 |
| balzac | of course I'm going to put some skimpy clothes on the girls and everything | Mar 13 18:37 |
| balzac | that's a client website | Mar 13 18:37 |
| balzac | and it's a 3d project I'm working on the promote gnu software | Mar 13 18:37 |
| Balrog | ook | Mar 13 18:37 |
| balzac | Not sure what the GNU avatar/mascot should be wearing | Mar 13 18:37 |
| balzac | tshirt, jeans, sneakers perhaps | Mar 13 18:38 |
| balzac | but I'm trying to market GNU software to young urban demographic - the GNU might be wearing some chains | Mar 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I was using MATLAB myself | Mar 13 18:38 |
| Balrog | balzac: the popularity of chains is in dispute | Mar 13 18:38 |
| balzac | the girls will be dressed up in urban casual I think. Or I could go with a biker theme | Mar 13 18:39 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: elaborate | Mar 13 18:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcen... | Mar 13 18:39 |
| balzac | I want to put the GNU on a motorbike with a girl on the back of the bike. Leather-jacket wearing badass gnu. | Mar 13 18:39 |
| schestowitz | I've had about 80,000 downloads of my code there. | Mar 13 18:39 |
| schestowitz | In 2005 I was ranked 1st for my MATLAB contral contribs. | Mar 13 18:39 |
| schestowitz | So the people there know me | Mar 13 18:39 |
| Balrog | wow. | Mar 13 18:40 |
| schestowitz | But I no longer use it | Mar 13 18:40 |
| balzac | Balrog: I have different themes in mind, but the idea is that the GNU is a badass. Smoking a spliff, etc. | Mar 13 18:40 |
| Balrog | But matlab isn't free software ... | Mar 13 18:40 |
| Balrog | balzac: there will be a group that don't like that | Mar 13 18:40 |
| balzac | Balrog: sure, but I'm trying to help GNU win the popularity contest, and that means pop-culture pandering. | Mar 13 18:41 |
| schestowitz | balzac: LL Cool G | Mar 13 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Ladies Love cool GNU | Mar 13 18:41 |
| balzac | I really like the GNU as a buddhist monk | Mar 13 18:41 |
| balzac | But I'm trying to portray another side of GNU. GNU is the man now, dog. Don't step to this, suckas get dissed. | Mar 13 18:41 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: how does gnu octave compare to matlab? | Mar 13 18:42 |
| schestowitz | I tried to compile it some years ago | Mar 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | No luv | Mar 13 18:43 |
| balzac | Balrog: I'll show you another one | Mar 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | But looking back, I'd use that instead | Mar 13 18:43 |
| Balrog | hmm. I hear it changed a lot since a few years ago | Mar 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | COllagues are an issue | Mar 13 18:43 |
| balzac | http://www.disruptech.com/c... | Mar 13 18:43 |
| Balrog | isn't octave code similar enough? | Mar 13 18:44 |
| balzac | Another in the GNU-as-badass theme | Mar 13 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I don't know it well enough | Mar 13 18:44 |
| schestowitz | For basic things it'll be great | Mar 13 18:44 |
| balzac | RMS as a gangster | Mar 13 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Dunno how it handles GUIs and all.. | Mar 13 18:44 |
| schestowitz | balzac: good one that! | Mar 13 18:44 |
| Balrog | disruptech not loading | Mar 13 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Send it to RMS | Mar 13 18:44 |
| balzac | try again, the host is a bit sucky | Mar 13 18:45 |
| balzac | Roy, I haven't solicited his opinion on it | Mar 13 18:45 |
| balzac | I don't know if he'll agree with my spin on things so I figure I just won't ask for his opinion | Mar 13 18:45 |
| schestowitz | balzac: can I repost it in BN for kicks? | Mar 13 18:45 |
| balzac | sure | Mar 13 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Mar 13 18:45 |
| balzac | but not the 3d oen | Mar 13 18:46 |
| balzac | it's not close enough to finished | Mar 13 18:46 |
| balzac | Roy, hopefully you'll blog-roll disruptech.com. I'll probably do some blogging there in the future. | Mar 13 18:48 |
| balzac | actually, I've been wanting to syndicate BN content on disruptech.com | Mar 13 18:48 |
| balzac | I guess you do have an RSS feed | Mar 13 18:49 |
| schestowitz | balzac: can you do a quick favour and read http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03... ? | Mar 13 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I think it has typos left | Mar 13 18:51 |
| schestowitz | balzac: we don't do blogrolls or links | Mar 13 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Cause that leads to feelings of exclusion | Mar 13 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Or preferential stuff. | Mar 13 18:51 |
| schestowitz | If you blog there, then links to articles would fit well. | Mar 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz | balzac: yes, we have RSS | Mar 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz | You have RMS | Mar 13 18:52 |
| balzac | Roy, I'll take a look, but I'm not an english major. I'm better at editorial than secretarial proof-reading. | Mar 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Either one is good | Mar 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | I hate writing. | Mar 13 18:53 |
| balzac | Roy, I don't mind if thin-skinned people get miffed | Mar 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Well, checking it meticulously anyway | Mar 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Time consuming if you strive for polish | Mar 13 18:53 |
| balzac | But I might randomize my blog roll, or I might have them ranked as I do now. | Mar 13 18:53 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : are u still a matlab user now? | Mar 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no. | Mar 13 18:54 |
| schestowitz | I have access to it though | Mar 13 18:54 |
| _Hicham_ | do u use octave instead? | Mar 13 18:54 |
| balzac | those guys in #ubuntu-ops banned me again | Mar 13 19:09 |
| balzac | first I tried to /j #ubuntu and I was redirected to #ubuntu-ops | Mar 13 19:09 |
| balzac | then they served me a ration of sh_t and banned me | Mar 13 19:10 |
| _Hicham_ | who banned u? | Mar 13 19:10 |
| balzac | someone in #ubuntu-ops | Mar 13 19:10 |
| balzac | I don't take it very seriously | Mar 13 19:10 |
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| balzac | it's just IRC attitude | Mar 13 19:11 |
| _Hicham_ | do u have pb with the admin there? | Mar 13 19:11 |
| balzac | well, no | Mar 13 19:11 |
| balzac | but one or more of them have a problem with me | Mar 13 19:11 |
| balzac | I was talking off-topic in #ubuntu | Mar 13 19:12 |
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| balzac | then they suggested I take it to #ubuntu-offtopic | Mar 13 19:12 |
| balzac | I took issue with the name of that channel | Mar 13 19:12 |
| balzac | Fedora's free-discussion channel is called #fedora-social | Mar 13 19:12 |
| balzac | sounds more inviting doesn't it? | Mar 13 19:12 |
| balzac | so then one of the #ubuntu ops gets testy and bans me | Mar 13 19:13 |
| balzac | so I joined #ubuntu-ops and questioned their testiness | Mar 13 19:13 |
| balzac | anyway, I'm not the least be concerned or upset about it | Mar 13 19:13 |
| _Hicham_ | weird | Mar 13 19:13 |
| balzac | Next day I went in there with the nick Dont_Tase_Me_Bro | Mar 13 19:14 |
| balzac | so the "tased" me | Mar 13 19:14 |
| _Hicham_ | weird admins | Mar 13 19:14 |
| balzac | actually, they didn't, I left on my own volition after idling for a few hours and chatting intermittently | Mar 13 19:14 |
| _Hicham_ | that proves that u can't find better than Roy | Mar 13 19:14 |
| balzac | well, IRC ops can't seem to keep from getting a teeny bit neurotic about things | Mar 13 19:15 |
| _Hicham_ | except for Roy | Mar 13 19:15 |
| _Hicham_ | he is really great | Mar 13 19:15 |
| balzac | but today, I got re-routed from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-ops | Mar 13 19:15 |
| balzac | I didn't /j #ubuntu-ops I was routed there | Mar 13 19:15 |
| balzac | so I felt as if I were an invited guest | Mar 13 19:15 |
| balzac | then some small talk and another ban | Mar 13 19:15 |
| balzac | They can't figure out if they like me or not, I suppose | Mar 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I don't use octave, no. | Mar 13 19:16 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz: u stopped developing scientific programs? | Mar 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Pretty much so. | Mar 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm writing about IDC at the moment | Mar 13 19:19 |
| balzac | I got kicked from #fedora for the pic of "Lionidas" with the fedora logo used as pasties | Mar 13 19:19 |
| benJIman | openSUSE's offtopic channel is #opensuse-chat. | Mar 13 19:20 |
| balzac | But I just joined #fedora-social and I had no complaints, since I was off-topic in their support channel. | Mar 13 19:20 |
| balzac | and #fedora-social seems like an inviting name, unlike #ubuntu-offtopic | Mar 13 19:20 |
| balzac | I've personally met with Abbie Hoffman and I'm facebook friends with Paul Krassner | Mar 13 19:21 |
| balzac | so I've got a weird sense of humor that not everyone appreciates | Mar 13 19:21 |
| balzac | I met Abbie Hoffman as a kid, my dad, brother and I went for a ride on his boat. | Mar 13 19:21 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac: sense of humor in a support channel? | Mar 13 19:21 |
| balzac | why not? | Mar 13 19:22 |
| balzac | it's okay to step out of line once in a while | Mar 13 19:22 |
| _Hicham_ | it depends on people | Mar 13 19:22 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: across the board, i think Freenode is incrementally becomming more utilitarian and efficient, corporatized and uptight. | Mar 13 19:23 |
| _Hicham_ | that is good | Mar 13 19:23 |
| balzac | So I step out of line once in a while, and I don't need to be metaphorically tased by some authoritarian IRC op. | Mar 13 19:23 |
| _Hicham_ | i dont need to talk to someone who is cold as ice | Mar 13 19:24 |
| _Hicham_ | i prefer this channel | Mar 13 19:24 |
| _Hicham_ | ubuntu channel is just crap | Mar 13 19:25 |
| balzac | I wouldn't say that | Mar 13 19:25 |
| _Hicham_ | there are just robots | Mar 13 19:25 |
| balzac | lots of good support work gets done there | Mar 13 19:25 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a personal opinion | Mar 13 19:25 |
| _Hicham_ | im not talking about support | Mar 13 19:25 |
| _Hicham_ | it is too serious in there | Mar 13 19:25 |
| _Hicham_ | i didnt like it | Mar 13 19:26 |
| balzac | some people take the job of enforcing rules with a bit too much seriousness. Espcially IRC ops, on every IRC network, in almost every channel. | Mar 13 19:26 |
| _Hicham_ | they are then wrong | Mar 13 19:26 |
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| _Hicham_ | a good sense of humor is a plus | Mar 13 19:27 |
| balzac | I've been enjoying teasing them a bit | Mar 13 19:29 |
| balzac | I'm not worried about it. | Mar 13 19:29 |
| schestowitz | balzac: what to link this img to? http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conte... | Mar 13 19:30 |
| _Hicham_ | i dont understand this image very well | Mar 13 19:30 |
| balzac | maybe to stallman.org | Mar 13 19:31 |
| balzac | unless he finds it distasteful | Mar 13 19:32 |
| balzac | I'm not going to ask him about it | Mar 13 19:32 |
| balzac | I think RMS will have a sense of humor about it, but ultimately, I'm not concerned very much either way | Mar 13 19:33 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: ever see a movie called Godfather with Marlin Brando? | Mar 13 19:35 |
| balzac | A mafia don | Mar 13 19:35 |
| balzac | In NY, people wear t-shirts with the God Father logo on it, as well as scarface t-shirts | Mar 13 19:35 |
| balzac | because they think the mafia is cool | Mar 13 19:36 |
| tessier_ | hahah....that's funny. :) | Mar 13 19:36 |
| balzac | so it's a joke because RMS is such a benevolent guy, I'm portraying him with a different side - as a powerful guy who does not suffer fools. | Mar 13 19:36 |
| _Hicham_ | was AlPacino in Godfather? | Mar 13 19:37 |
| balzac | It's intended as a warning to his critics. Don't trash-talk RMS or you may end up wearing the clown-shoes yourself. | Mar 13 19:38 |
| balzac | maybe | Mar 13 19:38 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : in Wikipedia, it is said that Miguel De Icaza didnt participate to the negociations before the deal | Mar 13 19:40 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: he did | Mar 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | He even went to Microsoft trying to change it before it happened, IIRC | Mar 13 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Novell/MS deal. | Mar 13 19:42 |
| _Hicham_ | we should change the article then | Mar 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | When the deal happened he reacted in his blog as though he knew about it all along | Mar 13 19:42 |
| _Hicham_ | do u have any references? | Mar 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Where is this article? | Mar 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I should spend time finding it | Mar 13 19:42 |
| _Hicham_ | we should contact Wikipedia to change the article | Mar 13 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure what to search for. | Mar 13 19:43 |
| schestowitz | It was like 2 years ago | Mar 13 19:43 |
| _Hicham_ | coz u know that wikipedia is the main source of info | Mar 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Find out who put it there in the first place | Mar 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Watch article history | Mar 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe our source was not correct | Mar 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | But as I remember it, Moglen, Allison and also de Icaza (Maybe Nat Friedman also, but I'm not sure) were consulted | Mar 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Miguel was against parts of the deal | Mar 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Mar 13 19:45 |
| _Hicham_ | but Mono was started in 2001 | Mar 13 19:45 |
| _Hicham_ | i dont understand | Mar 13 19:45 |
| _Hicham_ | weird | Mar 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Mar 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | BUSTED!!! | Mar 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Good to keep docs around | Mar 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Right from the mouth of his buddy | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/22/m... | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | \# | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz said, | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | May 4, 2008 at 12:25 am €· Edit | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Not true. You appear not to know the whole story. Several senior engineers, including Jeremy Allison and Miguel de Icaza, for instance, knew about this deal in advance. | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Miguel, to his credit, even traveled to Redmond hoping to change it, IIRC, while Jeremy protested against the deal, albeit no vigorously enough (which he later regretted). He told this to us in an interview we did. It all appears in older articles from the end of 2006. | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | # | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Dan O'Brian said, | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | May 4, 2008 at 9:10 am €· Edit | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Then, if true, You have to give Miguel a lot of credit and that there proves Miguel to not be in Microsoft’s pocket. | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | When I stated that Miguel was not informed of the deal ahead of time, I was referring to this blog post: | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | http://tirania.org/blog/ar... | Mar 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | After re-reading, he notes that he was told less than a week in advance of the announcement. | Mar 13 19:47 |
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| _Hicham_ | I don't why they didn't chose to support others platforms | Mar 13 19:58 |
| _Hicham_ | like Java for instance | Mar 13 19:58 |
| _Hicham_ | microsoft itself uses Java | Mar 13 19:58 |
| Omar87 | http://www.tgdaily.com/con... | Mar 13 20:04 |
| Omar87 | Personally, I believe the only way we should communicate with MS is through swords and gunpowder. | Mar 13 20:04 |
| Omar87 | And the only solution between us and MS, is to see MS burning to the grownd and Gates and Ballmer in jail. | Mar 13 20:04 |
| schestowitz | What has Negroponte become?? "Negroponte told ZDNet UK via email. "By then, I am convinced Microsoft will have Windows on the ARM." http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000... | Mar 13 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Is he trying to push Microsoft into Linux-only turf? | Mar 13 20:05 |
| schestowitz | it's like he's turning OLPC into some kind of MS-enabler | Mar 13 20:05 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: or, what do you think? | Mar 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I heard bad things from someone who met Sam Ramji | Mar 13 20:06 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: regarding what? | Mar 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | "He is such a traitor, a sneak thief, a provocateur, a spy, an infiltrator." | Mar 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | He tried to sneak into their LUGs too | Mar 13 20:07 |
| Omar87 | Gates? | Mar 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | That's Microsoft for ya. | Mar 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | A bunch of turncoats | Mar 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | And people trying to hijack your group like they did with ISO and others... | Mar 13 20:08 |
| Omar87 | Yeah, so you do agree with my opinion? | Mar 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Not with the violent parts | Mar 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Cause that's not diplomatic | Mar 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | I think we need people with dignity running things | Mar 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Item 1 on the agenda: | Mar 13 20:08 |
| _Hicham_ | We should develop a virus for Windows that install Linux by force | Mar 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Dismantle criminal companies | Mar 13 20:08 |
| _Hicham_ | that is a good way | Mar 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Blackwater, Intel, Microsoft, tobacco industry, etc. | Mar 13 20:09 |
| MinceR | that would show us as criminals | Mar 13 20:09 |
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| MinceR | it would be better if a virus would be developed for windows that can't be traced to our community | Mar 13 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Mar 13 20:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: By "Swords and Gunpowder, and burning to the ground"... I meant the competition. | Mar 13 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Well, that's not displomaic either | Mar 13 20:09 |
| schestowitz | It's also against the law | Mar 13 20:09 |
| MinceR | with disastrous effects -- that would force people to think about where they put their trust with regards to security | Mar 13 20:09 |
| MinceR | and why security is important | Mar 13 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Let them besiege themselves with the 1,000,000+ viruses they already have | Mar 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | mewonders how much RAM is consumed by Norton et al just catchijng virus sigs | Mar 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | *caching | Mar 13 20:10 |
| Omar87 | No, diplomacy with MS would work, only showing the world how much they've suffocated innovation would. | Mar 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes | Mar 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | That's what BN is about | Mar 13 20:10 |
| MinceR | diplomacy -- only aggressive negotiations can work with them | Mar 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Let people discover what they should | Mar 13 20:10 |
| MinceR | "negotiation with a lightsaber" | Mar 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has an extended family | Mar 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Inc. Novell | Mar 13 20:10 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Exactly, that's part of what I mean by "Swords and Gunpowder" | Mar 13 20:11 |
| schestowitz | and IDC. I wrote about it minutes ago: http://boycottnovell.com/200... | Mar 13 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: not quite | Mar 13 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I think about truth versus crime | Mar 13 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Let them fight with crime (swords and gun powder) | Mar 13 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I am gonna publish a post about their latest smear campaign | Mar 13 20:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Oh come on! I mean Novell ain't no threat. It's one stupid pathetic insect! :D | Mar 13 20:11 |
| schestowitz | A Microsoft CEO personally attacked a critic | Mar 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | He contacted the person's boss | Mar 13 20:12 |
| _Hicham_ | no, we should be more aggressive | Mar 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Tried to get him fired or something | Mar 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | That's what I call white-collar crime | Mar 13 20:12 |
| _Hicham_ | personally, I liked Mozilla policy on spreading Firefox | Mar 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | And by exposing thbe truth we can fight it | Mar 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Causing Microsoft even more damage | Mar 13 20:12 |
| MinceR | novell is part of m$ and thus it's part of the threat | Mar 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | The person (victim) wants it published | Mar 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | But I need to anonymise | Mar 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Rather, to hide the identity | Mar 13 20:12 |
| _Hicham_ | I like also how Ubuntu is acting | Mar 13 20:13 |
| _Hicham_ | sending you linux for free | Mar 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Microsoft has a policy too | Mar 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Spread Fire | Mar 13 20:13 |
| _Hicham_ | and organizing install parties | Mar 13 20:13 |
| _Hicham_ | these install parties are great | Mar 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Also for social reasons | Mar 13 20:13 |
| _Hicham_ | that is a good way to spead things | Mar 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | The political system has voluntarily entablish a society that is divided | Mar 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | It makes people helpless | Mar 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | They know they get screwwed | Mar 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | They can't really do anything about it | Mar 13 20:14 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft is giving their products for free for students | Mar 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | They are kept isolated | Mar 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | So no voice | Mar 13 20:14 |
| _Hicham_ | MSVC for free | Mar 13 20:14 |
| _Hicham_ | and others star products | Mar 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Effort is devised/used by govts to suppress groupings too | Mar 13 20:14 |
| Omar87 | Guys, ya know something? | Mar 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Daemonising them sometimes | Mar 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | This way, asking for change becomes too hard | Mar 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | But all changes likle end of racism or sexism came through organising | Mar 13 20:15 |
| Omar87 | I personally think that Ubuntu has pwned Windoze a loooo..oong time ago. | Mar 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Some blood was spilled (of those who organised) | Mar 13 20:15 |
| _Hicham_ | Omar87: not yet | Mar 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | So anyway, GNU or LUGs are organisations | Mar 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | LUGs file group complaints sometimes | Mar 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | That's why they are powerful | Mar 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | EFF... | Mar 13 20:15 |
| Omar87 | Can't you see? It has achieved in two years, what MS has failed to achieve in a whole decade. :) | Mar 13 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: no, Microsoft clogs up the system | Mar 13 20:16 |
| schestowitz | In Jordan too | Mar 13 20:16 |
| schestowitz | They have people who turn it into 'client state' | Mar 13 20:16 |
| schestowitz | So that colleges give 'free' Office training | Mar 13 20:16 |
| schestowitz | And maybe dump free copies | Mar 13 20:16 |
| schestowitz | A responsible educator won't do that | Mar 13 20:16 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: You meant especially in Jordan. | Mar 13 20:16 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft uses dinners/lunch/favours/money/whatever to charm people. | Mar 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | That's just how it works | Mar 13 20:17 |
| _Hicham_ | personally I don't help people with Office | Mar 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | And they build a stranglehold on the 'system' (educatioal in thuis case) | Mar 13 20:17 |
| _Hicham_ | I advise them to use OpenOffice.org | Mar 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | So you must break down their strctures of cronyism first) | Mar 13 20:17 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_: Same here. | Mar 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Expose them, demote them | Mar 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Show who they are | Mar 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Who they serve | Mar 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | The LUG can do it | Mar 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | JUST can investigate and write letters | Mar 13 20:18 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_: Every time someone asks me how to solve a problem with windoze, I directly say: "Use Linux". :) | Mar 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: that's decent | Mar 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Others do it too | Mar 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Or... | Mar 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I'd help you if you move to Free software | Mar 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | If Micfrosoftg s/w breaks... | Mar 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Then they need to fix it | Mar 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Its their fault | Mar 13 20:19 |
| _Hicham_ | a professor asked us to give him a homework in PDF format. The students asked me what will produce PDFs from Word : I told them : OpenOffice will create and even modify PDFs | Mar 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | You're not their support guy | Mar 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They already have billions that they made through crime | Mar 13 20:19 |
| Omar87 | Yes. | Mar 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | With bad systems | Mar 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Bad engineering | Mar 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They rely on 'free' support | Mar 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | People 'fixing' viruses | Mar 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | People 'fixing' by reinstalling WIndows | Mar 13 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Rather than GNU/Linux | Mar 13 20:20 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : what do u think if websites stop supporting IE? | Mar 13 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | And I bet you they obstruct dual-booting in OEMs where you are | Mar 13 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Dual-booting = same cost as Windows-only | Mar 13 20:20 |
| schestowitz | I.e. added value | Mar 13 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't allow it though | Mar 13 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Strangulation, EULAs, etc. | Mar 13 20:20 |
| schestowitz | That ought to be illegal | Mar 13 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft was taken to court | Mar 13 20:21 |
| schestowitz | It bribed its way out | Mar 13 20:21 |
| schestowitz | And it hasn't even paid what it promise | Mar 13 20:21 |
| schestowitz | E.g. in Californian schools | Mar 13 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft still owes a lot of monet in fine | Mar 13 20:21 |
| schestowitz | It also evades tax | Mar 13 20:21 |
| schestowitz | And it's entering debt | Mar 13 20:21 |
| schestowitz | So the public may never see this money that Microsoft stole through crime and price-fixing | Mar 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Which pretty much sums up the reason the American ecnomy is in its current shape | Mar 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | No regulation | Mar 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Clowns running the DOJ, FTC, and SEC | Mar 13 20:22 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Where can one find the truths about Gates spending a couple billions to improve schools and education? Because personally I don't buy any of the crap I've heard about it.. -_- | Mar 13 20:23 |
| _Hicham_ | Omar87: where do u live? | Mar 13 20:24 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_: Jordan, but I'm kind of interested in proving that Gates is such a user, backstabber, and an a&^hole. | Mar 13 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: you can find a lot about Gates 'improving' things (for gains) | Mar 13 20:27 |
| schestowitz | E.g. | Mar 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/3... | Mar 13 20:28 |
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| _Hicham_ | Gates is just spying on people | Mar 13 20:28 |
| _Hicham_ | I read that one of the basic windows libraries ( advapi32.dll ) is filled with spyware | Mar 13 20:29 |
| _Hicham_ | you can't find a single program not using advapi32.dll | Mar 13 20:30 |
| trmanco | Advertisment API 32 (dot) DLL | Mar 13 20:30 |
| _Hicham_ | according to a british researcher, this library contains a secret "NSA Key" | Mar 13 20:31 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_: What freaks you out even more is that there actually idiots out there who believe he even cares about what happens to the world. | Mar 13 20:31 |
| _Hicham_ | this was busted when a programmer forgotten to eliminate the debug strings in the dll | Mar 13 20:31 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no need for "according to" | Mar 13 20:32 |
| schestowitz | The back doors are fact | Mar 13 20:32 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_: That's nothing new, they've clearly stated it in their EULA. | Mar 13 20:32 |
| schestowitz | gartner and MS got together and confessed over a year ago | Mar 13 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Also see http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04... | Mar 13 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Microsoft is allowed to change your sw over the network at any time | Mar 13 20:33 |
| schestowitz | It's in the EULA indeed | Mar 13 20:33 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah. | Mar 13 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Slated ( [H]omer_ ) has this: http://slated.org/windows_xp... | Mar 13 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Feel free to share with people | Mar 13 20:34 |
| schestowitz | So that they know what they agree to cope with whenever they 'buy' (read: forced to buy) Windows | Mar 13 20:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: And remember, you're the one who gave them the permission to do that, by agreeing to their EULA when buying windoze, in the first place. | Mar 13 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | BBC zombie caper slammed by security pros < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... > | Mar 13 20:35 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : how wine accomplished binary compatibility with Windows without infringing the EULA? | Mar 13 20:38 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: By "you're", I meant the end-user in general of course. Don't get me wrong. ;) | Mar 13 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Arrrrr... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/13/sw... | Mar 13 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, I know. | Mar 13 20:39 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they might infringe, I think | Mar 13 20:39 |
| schestowitz | But the EULA may be against the law | Mar 13 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It was never upheld or challenged in court | Mar 13 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It's seen as legally dubious in the UK | Mar 13 20:39 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : why MS didn't sue them then? | Mar 13 20:39 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: stirring up troible | Mar 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Sue who|? | Mar 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Which company? | Mar 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | It's code | Mar 13 20:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yes, which makes things even worse for the end-user. | Mar 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | When companies grow big, they become the law | Mar 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | And you must be rich to keep standing in court against them | Mar 13 20:40 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : sue the Wine developers | Mar 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Because the legal system too is warped | Mar 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they won't go there. | Mar 13 20:41 |
| _Hicham_ | since they are disassembling Windows | Mar 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Unless they want to due even faster than SCO | Mar 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | They already suffer from the attack on TomTOm | Mar 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | They do damage controll ATM | Mar 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Some people dump Windows because of htis | Mar 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | And it shows how miserable Microsoft is (i.e. perception of fragility) | Mar 13 20:42 |
| _Hicham_ | the last thing I needed Windows for was my Webcam driver | Mar 13 20:42 |
| _Hicham_ | but now it is officially in the kernel | Mar 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | You can buy Linux-compatible webcams | Mar 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Let the ones that don't support Linux just rot away | Mar 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Evolve or die | Mar 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Some companies found this out the hard way | Mar 13 20:43 |
| _Hicham_ | Here in Morocco, there is no company that sells Linux Laptops | Mar 13 20:43 |
| _Hicham_ | Everything is for Windows | Mar 13 20:44 |
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| _Hicham_ | even our professors use pirated software | Mar 13 20:44 |
| _Hicham_ | a professor was teaching us Latex, and he gave us a pirated software, even if there is better open source alternatives | Mar 13 20:44 |
| _Hicham_ | the software is WinEdit | Mar 13 20:45 |
| _Hicham_ | I found better ones, like the terrific TeXnicCenter | Mar 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | I know people who use it | Mar 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | I use Kate for LaTeX | Mar 13 20:45 |
| _Hicham_ | and of course, WineFish on Linux | Mar 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | But front ends like LyX are better | Mar 13 20:45 |
| _Hicham_ | LyX is not technically LaTeX | Mar 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Hehe."Winefish" | Mar 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Never heard of it | Mar 13 20:46 |
| _Hicham_ | Really? | Mar 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 13 20:46 |
| tessier_ | LyX has been around for a LONG time. | Mar 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like an aquarium I'd love to drink | Mar 13 20:46 |
| tessier_ | I used it to write a couple of papers back in university around 1995. | Mar 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I've used Lyx since 2001 | Mar 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | It still gets better | Mar 13 20:47 |
| _Hicham_ | winefish is the most used on linux i think | Mar 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | In Mandriva it's a tickbox away | Mar 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | twitter: was it using qt back then? | Mar 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | http://winefish.berlios.de/ | Mar 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Is it linked to Schillix? | Mar 13 20:48 |
| _Hicham_ | i dont know | Mar 13 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Joerg? | Mar 13 20:48 |
| schestowitz | BerliOs at the bottom | Mar 13 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Solaris | Mar 13 20:48 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a berlios project | Mar 13 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Never mind | Mar 13 20:49 |
| _Hicham_ | but it is great | Mar 13 20:49 |
| schestowitz | It's something else | Mar 13 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Schillix is just hosted under something.. | Mar 13 20:49 |
| schestowitz | http://developer.berlios.de/... | Mar 13 20:49 |
| _Hicham_ | winefish with TeXlive is just terrific | Mar 13 20:50 |
| _Hicham_ | super fast | Mar 13 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I'd hate to write tables without preview | Mar 13 20:50 |
| schestowitz | In KDE it's really nice | Mar 13 20:50 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : it is not that necessary to preview | Mar 13 20:50 |
| _Hicham_ | i used to think like that | Mar 13 20:50 |
| schestowitz | With Lyx, once you regen (with cache and all making it instant), well... KDE'sKonqueror senses changes to files and then reloads the preview in KPDF | Mar 13 20:51 |
| _Hicham_ | but with latex, things are different | Mar 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | So you get nice previews while you type in WYSIWYG | Mar 13 20:51 |
| _Hicham_ | same thing in GNOME | Mar 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I don't descend to TeX much anymore. it's slower | Mar 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | I can do raw TeX blockss in LyX or export | Mar 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | I used to even edit .tex files by hand | Mar 13 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Mar 13 20:52 |
| schestowitz | I mean lyx file | Mar 13 20:52 |
| schestowitz | *files | Mar 13 20:52 |
| _Hicham_ | but it is great | Mar 13 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Very clean layout they have.. | Mar 13 20:52 |
| _Hicham_ | with tex, you focus on content | Mar 13 20:52 |
| _Hicham_ | not on the layout | Mar 13 20:52 |
